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majikposhun
08-09-2011, 08:55 AM
A woman from Frederick, MD is missing in Aruba after she took a trip with a male "friend" to Aruba. Her boyfriend was in Maryland when she was reported missing by her companion on the trip. Her companion is Gary Giordano with an extensive rap sheet on domestic violence.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-frederick-woman-missing-in-aruba-64854.html

Truthwillsetufree
08-09-2011, 09:25 AM
Wow, unbelievable!!!!

TallCoolOne
08-09-2011, 09:50 AM
Boy, this made my stomach knot up instantly.

Not again..........

waltzingmatilda
08-09-2011, 09:56 AM
This reminds me of the case of the honeymooners in Australia where the hubby (allegedly) turned off his new brides air supply while scuba diving. I can't recall their names offhand but they were from Birmingham, AL.

I have no desire to EVER go to Aruba. The place gives me the creeps, MOO.

I pray that this lady is found safe and sound but am not feeling good about the companions story.

wm

raysgirl1126
08-09-2011, 10:04 AM
Oh no! Not again!

SunnieRN
08-09-2011, 10:10 AM
Hope this has a good outcome, but I'm afraid of what will happen and if/how it will be properly investigated.

KaylynnCouture
08-09-2011, 12:27 PM
Police in Aruba were questioning a man Tuesday after a Maryland woman vacationing on the island disappeared from the same resort town where Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway was last seen six years ago.

Robyn Gardner, 35, of Frederick, Md., disappeared Aug. 2 from the Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino in Oranjestad, MyFoxDC.com reported.

Gardner was visiting the island with a man named Gary Giordano, whom authorities have since detained for questioning.

Giordano told investigators that Gardner never made it back to shore after the pair went snorkeling, and has allegedly changed his story several times.

Gardner's boyfriend, Richard Forester, said he does not believe Giordano's account and pleaded for the public to help find her.

Snipped from: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/maryland_woman_missing_from_holloway_iL4B5fr34V7hx BKcrnXAiN
(Photo at link)

KaylynnCouture
08-09-2011, 12:28 PM
Richard Forester says they had been dating for two and a half years, but quarreled before she left. He received his last e-mail from Gardner Tuesday, three hours before she was reported missing.

“The last message I got from her was ‘I love you,’” Forester said. “We will talk and sort things out when I get back,” Gardner wrote.

Forester thought Gardner went with a friend, but now believes she had a romantic relationship with her companion. The man notified Aruban authorities Gardner was missing. He said a current pulled her out to sea while snorkeling, according to an account in a local newspaper.

Aruban authorities detained Gardner's companion Gary Giordano when he tried to leave the island. The 50-year-old apparently has an extensive rap sheet which includes domestic violence.

A center set up in her name is helping Gardner’s boyfriend deal work with local authorities.

Gardner is described as 5’5 and 120 pounds, with blond hair and brown eyes. She has a large tattoo from the back of her left shoulder to her elbow, as well as tattoos on her rib cage and her right bicep.

Snipped: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-frederick-woman-missing-in-aruba-64854.html

SurfieTX
08-09-2011, 12:35 PM
From the Help Find Robyn FB:

Update: Detective DeJong of the Aruban Police said that there have been "new developments" but she could not elaborate on them now. Also, the Aruba police and government have help from Dutch authorities and they plan to to ask the FBI for help on Tuesday.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552

SurfieTX
08-09-2011, 12:37 PM
Giordano was arrested on Friday as he was leaving the island, having already given extensive declarations to the police. His lawyer on Aruba, Michael Lopez, has advised him to make use of his right to remain silent.

**lots of search pictures at the link** http://www.arubaherald.com/local/732-large-scale-investigation-taking-place-at-nanki-in-connection-with-disappearance.html

Gardenlady
08-09-2011, 02:00 PM
Facebook posting gives GGs middle name as Vincent. I found one in Gaithersburg, MD, is that him?

belimom
08-09-2011, 02:04 PM
Facebook posting gives GGs middle name as Vincent. I found one in Gaithersburg, MD, is that him?

I think that must be him. He would be the same age, as well as geographically close to where Robyn is from. I found an article about a previous arrest, which fits into the description of his background as having other offenses.

(ETA: removed link)

ETA again: I just tried to modify/remove my previous post but I guess a mod beat me to it... Sorry, mods!

Gardenlady
08-09-2011, 02:06 PM
The one about Target? Found that too, are we allowed to post it? :innocent:

I've actually now found several more MD cities as residences for him. :confused:

And there it is, thanks for posting it :)

belimom
08-09-2011, 02:07 PM
The one about Target? Found that too, are we allowed to post it? :innocent:

I've actually now found several more MD cities as residences for him. :confused:

Not sure - I should remove it since my other one was removed... Not thinking clearly today... :o

Dushi
08-09-2011, 02:08 PM
that article is from 2003 which would make him fifty now

LadyL
08-09-2011, 02:29 PM
there's photos on the find fb of the suspect and of Robyn's boyfriend

her boyfriend is gorgeous IMO ... and much younger (than the suspect) ...

I found a fb for Robyn too but it's private

KaylynnCouture
08-09-2011, 02:49 PM
She called the American a “suspect” in the case, but stressed how that covers a wide range of possibilities – from untimely reporting of Gardner’s disappearance to something more serious. “It’s too soon for us to be more specific,” Angela said.

Angela, the prosecutor’s office spokesman, said that on Sunday the suspect and Aruba police went to a beach where the man said Gardner was last seen. In recent days, a local judge ordered him held for an additional eight days while the probe continues, she said.

Forester said that Aruban authorities told him they plan to send Gardner’s Blackberry to the Netherlands for examination. He also said they are looking for clues in her iPad.

Snipped: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/frederick-woman-missing-in-aruba/2011/08/09/gIQAUYzh4I_blog.html

Inspector Gidget
08-09-2011, 03:32 PM
I looks like if you want to make someone disappear,just go to Aruba.They will never fully investigate it.This companion was watching her snorkel and I guess no witnesses.It doesn't sound good to me

Dushi
08-09-2011, 03:35 PM
The assumption is that she is in the water
So much has been posted about tides during the Holloway disappearance

I do hope they find her

Breazy
08-09-2011, 03:43 PM
Praying for a happy ending for Robyn but not feeling too optimistic. Way too many women & children disappear without a trace. Scary!!!!

Inspector Gidget
08-09-2011, 04:05 PM
Facebook posting gives GGs middle name as Vincent. I found one in Gaithersburg, MD, is that him?

Yes it's him
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2489190

Dushi
08-09-2011, 04:10 PM
Its now a passive search

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/08/09/aruba.missing.woman/

Inspector Gidget
08-09-2011, 04:14 PM
I think Gary must have caught her texting Richard and he got very upset.Last message to
Richard "I Love you".I wonder if she was just using Gary to get away.

Inspector Gidget
08-09-2011, 05:09 PM
Interview with boyfriend very interesting :http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/mornings/richard-forester-boyfriend-of-robyn-gardner-spoke-with-fox-5-morning-news-080911

pomegranate
08-09-2011, 05:32 PM
Robyn seems to use the last name Colson, or Robyn Colson Gardner. Praying for her safe return.

SurfieTX
08-09-2011, 05:56 PM
Interview with boyfriend very interesting :http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/mornings/richard-forester-boyfriend-of-robyn-gardner-spoke-with-fox-5-morning-news-080911

BF said G was in his "socks and shoes" when he reported her missing. He also said Robyn was "vain" and would never swim after 6:00 p.m. because it would mess up her hair and makeup. He said that was her pattern when they traveled together and that he could only get her in the pool to "waist up."

SurfieTX
08-09-2011, 06:27 PM
Nancy is covering the case: http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

HatesSociopaths
08-09-2011, 08:43 PM
Any chance he sold her?

SeaNymph
08-09-2011, 09:01 PM
I think I read all the news links and may have missed it but did anyone see how long they had been there before she disappeared on the 2nd? Maybe what were the anticipated dates of the trip start to end?

CMac2
08-09-2011, 09:01 PM
Ok- I think I'm up to speed now. I was confused for a minute, thinking she went to Aruba with her boyfriend and met this GG character while down there. I guess she actually went to Aruba without her boyfriend, but with GG. *Duh*

GG is obviously the most likely suspect... my guess on motive, IF he's the perp, would lean more towards jealously, less towards human trafficking, as GG isn't local- he's from Maryland too.

CMac2
08-09-2011, 09:03 PM
This case actually reminds me of the David Gabriel Watson case- he's the guy who killed his wife while on their honeymoon scuba diving in Queensland.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/man-kills-wife-honeymoon-david-gabriel-watson-sentenced-0

arielilane
08-09-2011, 09:04 PM
Nancy Grace was covering the story earlier.

suzet
08-09-2011, 09:12 PM
I looks like if you want to make someone disappear,just go to Aruba.They will never fully investigate it.This companion was watching her snorkel and I guess no witnesses.It doesn't sound good to me

And we have no proof that she actually WAS snorkling, we only have the companion's word for it. Yep, doesn't look good.

HatesSociopaths
08-09-2011, 09:17 PM
GG has a couple of prior restraining orders, record of domestic violence and thefts. He was trying to leave the island when arrested and was the last person to see her alive. This is not looking too complicated.

I am curious what this beautiful woman was doing with him, though. He is 50, she is 35. He looks like he could be her father and doesn't appear to me to be someone she would want a relationship with. She had a long-term boyfriend she kept this trip a secret from (said it was a family trip.) It says she met GG on an online dating service. I am wondering if this was some kind of sugar daddy site where money was part of the deal, etc. Just speculation.

Charlie09
08-09-2011, 09:22 PM
I'm confused, how do they know she went WITH GG not met up with him while she's there?

Did the family not know she was dating this other guy for 2.5 years?

chasing.halos
08-09-2011, 09:23 PM
This case actually reminds me of the David Gabriel Watson case- he's the guy who killed his wife while on their honeymoon scuba diving in Queensland.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/man-kills-wife-honeymoon-david-gabriel-watson-sentenced-0

CMac, this is the first thing that came to my mind too. He said that they were on a scubadiving tour right? If so there should be a record of her being in the group/on the boat.

She is just beautiful. Come home Robyn.....

HatesSociopaths
08-09-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm confused, how do they know she went WITH GG not met up with him while she's there?

Did the family not know she was dating this other guy for 2.5 years?

I am just learning the details myself, but the guy she went to Aruba with is from Maryland as well.

"Help Find Robyn Colson-Gardner: Missing in Aruba" Facebook page has some interesting posts on it, and more photos of Robyn.

One is from a guy who says he interviewed Robyn for a job in Maryland the day before she took this trip and she had told him she was going with a girlfriend to the beach for the weekend.

The photos show a few tattoos and she appears to live on the edgy side. MOO.

My theory at this point is that they met on a sugar daddy site, and that this was a financial solution for Robyn to hook up with this guy. And that this guy had premeditated murder on his mind when choosing to take her to Aruba. It's my understanding you have to have a body to charge for murder there.

Whatever the case is, my prayers are that she is located very soon.

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 10:29 PM
A photo of Giordano at the link. He has criminal records. Domestic violence and thefts. It's not sounding good. :(


http://abcnews.go.com/US/maryland-woman-disappears-aruba-town-natalee-holloway-vanished/story?id=14267156

HatesSociopaths
08-09-2011, 10:49 PM
Gardner had come to Aruba with Gary Giordano, whom she had met on an online dating site. The two used to meet about twice per month.


http://arubaherald.com/local/742-boyfriend-of-disappeared-us-tourist-identifies-himself.html

Leomoon80
08-09-2011, 10:58 PM
any dates of birth for either the Missing woman or the "extensive Rap Sheet" guy?? From what I could find on an online FB
they set up, a photo has emerged of the two of them together, or at least the comments say it is them.
As though they dated before, and have known each other (from an online Match Service)

Another guy showed up saying, he once met her for a date of coffee, and has kept in touch too.

So, really she was dating around various people it sounds like.

If any "missing posters" surface, please let us know here on this thread.

I haven't yet seen any yet, so no known dates of birth for either party.

However, I did see on the comment section of FB that a lady and her husband vacationing there, met with them in the hotel lobby on July 31st (she says).......and she is sure it was them, because of the Tatoos she admired Robyn had on her arm.

She said she thought he was too old for her, and Robyn sat further away from him on another chair.
She said that Robyn appeared to be a really nice person to talk with.

HatesSociopaths
08-09-2011, 11:08 PM
http://www.wtop.com/emedia/wtop/22/2229/222996.jpg

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=864&sid=2489190#counter

katydid23
08-09-2011, 11:12 PM
That guy's story is so phony. You do not get swept out to sea when you are in shallow water snorkeling. What a load of bull. My 23 yr old started laughing when he heard that excuse. NG was on and he heard the story and cracked up. My son has his scuba license and has done a lot of diving and snorkeling. I have snorkeled but never went diving. Snorkeling is what you do for safety. There is nothing dangerous about it.

defense101
08-10-2011, 12:42 AM
That guy's story is so phony. You do not get swept out to sea when you are in shallow water snorkeling. What a load of bull. My 23 yr old started laughing when he heard that excuse. NG was on and he heard the story and cracked up. My son has his scuba license and has done a lot of diving and snorkeling. I have snorkeled but never went diving. Snorkeling is what you do for safety. There is nothing dangerous about it.My husband and I went snorkeling off of St Lucia, I hated snorkeling cause my feet couldn't touch the bottom but this time they put a snorkeling vest on me, I got enthralled in the coral and before I knew it I had drifted about a mile from the boat, they had to come get me. But the current pushed me sideways, not out to sea. From what I saw of interviews with other women who dated him from the online dating site, he was a scary guy. Apparently the dating site had received numerous complaints, why didn't they remove him. With what we've seen of the Aruba police I'm afraid for her. The FBI guy on NG said they shouldn't be looking in the water, should be doing forensics in the hotel room. I don't think this is going to be good... so sad. Why do women put themselves in such danger. We need a wake up call to women about doing things like this.:banghead:

defense101
08-10-2011, 12:50 AM
GVG arrest for shoplifting 2003

http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2003/200319/germantown/news/157064-1.html

majikposhun
08-10-2011, 07:20 AM
any dates of birth for either the Missing woman or the "extensive Rap Sheet" guy?? From what I could find on an online FB
they set up, a photo has emerged of the two of them together, or at least the comments say it is them.
As though they dated before, and have known each other (from an online Match Service)

Leomoon - I have asked her brother for her birthdate and will get that to you as soon as possible - thank you for offering to help with your pyschic abilities.

Description
Height: 5'5'' (165 cm)
Weight: 130 lb (59.1 kg)
...Hair color: Blonde (dyed)
Eye color: Brown
Skin color: White
Markings: Tattoos on left shoulder and arm, and one tattoo on right side of rib cage
Last seen: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 at 6:00 pm

rossva
08-10-2011, 08:02 AM
Per Nancy Grace , her male friends extensive rap sheet consisted of two women having filed complaints against him. No convictions. While the guy is probably hinky, it looks like he is getting railroaded in the media already.


A woman from Frederick, MD is missing in Aruba after she took a trip with a male "friend" to Aruba. Her boyfriend was in Maryland when she was reported missing by her companion on the trip. Her companion is Gary Giordano with an extensive rap sheet on domestic violence.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-frederick-woman-missing-in-aruba-64854.html

~n/t~
08-10-2011, 08:12 AM
http://www.wtop.com/emedia/wtop/22/2229/222996.jpg

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=864&sid=2489190#counter

I wonder why she wrote "the 16"?

ceyler
08-10-2011, 09:26 AM
This is so sad, and angers me. I actually went to High school with her. Why don't women check out guy's background before going away with them?? :banghead:

Dushi
08-10-2011, 09:39 AM
My husband and I went snorkeling off of St Lucia, I hated snorkeling cause my feet couldn't touch the bottom but this time they put a snorkeling vest on me, I got enthralled in the coral and before I knew it I had drifted about a mile from the boat, they had to come get me. But the current pushed me sideways, not out to sea. From what I saw of interviews with other women who dated him from the online dating site, he was a scary guy. Apparently the dating site had received numerous complaints, why didn't they remove him. With what we've seen of the Aruba police I'm afraid for her. The FBI guy on NG said they shouldn't be looking in the water, should be doing forensics in the hotel room. I don't think this is going to be good... so sad. Why do women put themselves in such danger. We need a wake up call to women about doing things like this.:banghead:

Do we know that they are NOT doing forensics in the room?
As far as looking for the body, isn't that standard?

ceyler
08-10-2011, 09:48 AM
Here is a link for a facebook page that was set up. I know she graduated in 1994 a year behind me.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552

majikposhun
08-10-2011, 09:49 AM
Issues 8/09/11

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/V5H0wpmtlZs

defense101
08-10-2011, 09:53 AM
Do we know that they are NOT doing forensics in the room?
As far as looking for the body, isn't that standard? No I don't know whether they are doing the forensic in the hotel room, I think it was the FBI guys way of saying that this lady didn't go missing snorkeling. imo

defense101
08-10-2011, 09:56 AM
A 2010 restraining order against GVG

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=0601SP006552010&loc=23&detailLoc=DV

Dushi
08-10-2011, 10:10 AM
While listening to the above video, a couple of things stood out as not being factual.
Baby Beach does have a very safe and serene beach area, however, if a swimmer goes beyond the rocks/borders, it can be dangerous and several people have drowned there in recent years.

Also, the hotels are not close together

The Holiday inn is on Palm Beach and the Renaissance is in the downtown area of Aruba
about as far apart as two hotels can be on that Island

I know neither of these facts make a huge difference, its just more inaccurate reporting

I do hope answers will come quickly

Gardenlady
08-10-2011, 10:25 AM
I wonder why she wrote "the 16"?

Did she mean maybe the 16th (of august)? Was that when she was supposed to return home? Meet with the boyfriend? :waitasec:

~n/t~
08-10-2011, 11:01 AM
Did she mean maybe the 16th (of august)? Was that when she was supposed to return home? Meet with the boyfriend? :waitasec:

IIRC, she was supposed to return the day after she disappeared.

This confuses me.

Forester, who had fought with Gardner about her trip with Giordano before she departed, says the last words they exchanged were "I love you." Now they're words he hopes to hear once again.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44082771/ns/today-today_news/t/maryland-woman-missing-aruba-travel-partner-held/?fb_ref=.TkKXCOntP34.like&fb_source=home_multiline


So the bf knew she was going with this Giordano guy? :waitasec:

ceyler
08-10-2011, 11:03 AM
Per the facebook link, Police just located her car and are on the way to investigate.

Dushi
08-10-2011, 11:07 AM
Per the facebook link, Police just located her car and are on the way to investigate.

Her rental car?

KaylynnCouture
08-10-2011, 11:08 AM
"Statements made by the traveling companion led to such questions that on Friday, August 5, 2011, it was decided to detain him for further questioning on the possible drowning of the woman," said a statement issued by the prosecutor's office.



Snipped: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/08/10/search-for-woman-missing-in-aruba-echoes-natalee-holloway-case/

ceyler
08-10-2011, 11:14 AM
Her rental car?



Not sure....all it say's is "her car" I would tend to think it was her car here in the states. IMO Once I hear more, I will post.

ceyler
08-10-2011, 11:24 AM
It was her Personal car....located in Maryland

SpyBunny
08-10-2011, 12:35 PM
Its seems like the facts are a little off,( the boyfriend was changing his stories I read) I wonder If they had a rental Car? when I went to Aruba the locations they mention seems seem pretty far apart and I know there was always someone around it wasnt like the Caymans where you could snorkel and not see a person for a while, I wonder If there is a missing piece of luggage and or bed sheets?There must be Camera footage of them leaving to go snorkel,, but, I think they never snorkled that day,,I wonder If that Hotel is all inclusive ..? I think it is and that means lots of drinking and who misses a meal when Its free ,,I bet they didnt eat breakfast the day she was missing,,

terracotta
08-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Snipped: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/08/10/search-for-woman-missing-in-aruba-echoes-natalee-holloway-case/


The bf said in the interview earlier that she said she was going on a family trip? Why would that story be different now? Gosh can't anyone just tell the truth.

Also it must be a strained relationship or the family doesn't know anything of the bf if they didn't think to call him. She supposedly has been dating him 2.5 years and been living with him for 6 or 8 months. And the family doesn't contact him? Seems like she doesn't fill her family in on her life.

It is confusing with the bf and her "dating" GG a couple times a month....

Dushi
08-10-2011, 01:19 PM
snipped

The Renaissance Marina Hotel is a hip, adult-exclusive Oranjestad hotel for guests over 18; complete with adult-only amenities and a pool, while The Renaissance Ocean Suites offers family-friendly accommodations, facilities and kid's activities.

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/auabr-renaissance-aruba-resort-and-ca


I do not believe it is AI

Dushi
08-10-2011, 01:24 PM
I am a bit confused as there are two threads about this case
Is there one I should post in over the other?

cluciano63
08-10-2011, 01:51 PM
Maybe the BF did not know until she left that she had gone with another man?

Did she really meet him online? And then go to Aruba with him? yikes...:(

Dushi
08-10-2011, 01:53 PM
Maybe the BF did not know until she left that she had gone with another man?

Did she really meet him online? And then go to Aruba with him? yikes...:(

Thats what i have been reading

Met with him at home twice a month and then the holiday:waitasec:

Dushi
08-10-2011, 02:15 PM
Has anyone read anything about the dynamics between the two of them at the resort?
Did they mix with other tourists or keep to themselves?

Leomoon80
08-10-2011, 02:29 PM
A photo of Giordano at the link. He has criminal records. Domestic violence and thefts. It's not sounding good. :(


http://abcnews.go.com/US/maryland-woman-disappears-aruba-town-natalee-holloway-vanished/story?id=14267156

From the LInk posted above:

Giordano was also previously married. He divorced his wife in 2008 amid allegations of domestic violence, according to Maryland court documents. During the divorce his wife obtained an order of protection, court records show.

Court records also indicate that at least one other woman has sought an order of protection against Giordano and that he has several arrests for thefts under $500.

I also found this one: (A Mercedes?)

The age is correct (the article is from 2003) then 42 - the location is correction (near Fredrick or Germantown Md.)

I just wonder IF it's the same person, with the same middle initial "V"

http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2003/200319/germantown/news/157064-1.html

Employees observed the man removing Target stickers from each box, according to police. Realizing he was being watched, the man abandoned the shopping cart, fled from the store and got into a silver Mercedes Benz station wagon, police said.

Through its investigation, the Montgomery County Department of Police's Career Criminal Unit discovered that the man was the same suspect who shoplifted from the Target Feb. 1 and March 1, according to police. The man also stole merchandise from the Target in Frederick April 24, police said.

"Through our Career Criminal Unit, they work with a lot of loss prevention agents at the different stores to see if there's a pattern," police spokeswoman Officer Joyce Utter said.

Police identified Giordano, who was arrested by the police's Repeat Offender Section, as the suspect involved in the thefts, according to police. He was released after posting a $2,500 unsecured bond, police said.

Leomoon80
08-10-2011, 02:32 PM
Has anyone read anything about the dynamics between the two of them at the resort?
Did they mix with other tourists or keep to themselves?

IF there is another thread, then I must have posted yesterday onto that one, because I don't see my post here.
:waitasec:

In it, I said, on a FB link for finding Robyn, a woman spoke up and said that she had met them in Aruba in the Hotel lobby, talked with them and Robyn sat (not too close to him)............she said she noticed he was much older then the girl, and she said that she noticed the Tatoos on Robyn's arms and they spoke about them.
It's on the FB link.

Dushi
08-10-2011, 02:34 PM
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"Maryland court documents show that a Gary Giordano there has a criminal record, including two orders of protection taken out by women that claimed he was violent. One was taken out by his ex-wife during their divorce procedings.



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http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-missing-aruba-natalee-holloways-mother/story?id=14271819
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HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 02:38 PM
From the LInk posted above:



I also found this one: (A Mercedes?)

The age is correct (the article is from 2003) then 42 - the location is correction (near Fredrick or Germantown Md.)

I just wonder IF it's the same person, with the same middle initial "V"

http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2003/200319/germantown/news/157064-1.html

That's all him. Do you happen to know what his earlier wife's name was? The reason I ask is that there is a photo of him from 2009 with another blonde woman who looks very similar to Robyn. I am wondering if there is a pattern to his choices in women, ala Ted Bundy, whose victims resembled the looks of his ex-girlfriend.

Leomoon80
08-10-2011, 02:38 PM
I also found this one: (A Mercedes?)

The age is correct (the article is from 2003) then 42 - the location is correct (near Fredrick or Germantown Md.)

I just wonder IF it's the same person, with the same middle initial "V"

http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archi.../157064-1.html


Quote:
Employees observed the man removing Target stickers from each box, according to police. Realizing he was being watched, the man abandoned the shopping cart, fled from the store and got into a silver Mercedes Benz station wagon, police said.

Through its investigation, the Montgomery County Department of Police's Career Criminal Unit discovered that the man was the same suspect who shoplifted from the Target Feb. 1 and March 1, according to police. The man also stole merchandise from the Target in Frederick April 24, police said.

"Through our Career Criminal Unit, they work with a lot of loss prevention agents at the different stores to see if there's a pattern," police spokeswoman Officer Joyce Utter said.

Police identified Giordano, who was arrested by the police's Repeat Offender Section, as the suspect involved in the thefts, according to police. He was released after posting a $2,500 unsecured bond, police said.

Dushi
08-10-2011, 02:43 PM
Police detained Giordano when he attempted to leave Aruba after reportedly promising investigators to remain on the island.

He also told investigators that travel insurance had been purchased with Gardner's mother listed as the beneficiaryhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/10/earlyshow/main20090530.shtml

KaylynnCouture
08-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Suspects Attorney Says 'There's No Proof': http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-missing-aruba-natalee-holloways-mother/story?id=14271819 (Video at link)

Dushi
08-10-2011, 02:56 PM
In Aruba he can be detained without charges being brought against him

IMO, they will find proof
I know it is difficult without a body or a crime scene

HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 02:57 PM
I hope they are searching his house in Maryland. There is likely evidence that will profile him and build a case. I also suspect there may be prior victims and crimes for which he has not been caught. This could be very helpful in getting him behind bars.

Dushi
08-10-2011, 03:05 PM
Baby Beach
http://www.getamap.net/maps/aruba_%5B_netherlands_%5D/aruba_%28general%29/_nanki/


Nanki at Rogers Beach

http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/ar/armap.shtml

curiousc
08-10-2011, 03:08 PM
I think Gary must have caught her texting Richard and he got very upset.Last message to
Richard "I Love you".I wonder if she was just using Gary to get away.

This is what I think happened. Sad!!

Dushi
08-10-2011, 03:11 PM
I wonder if G even knew about the boyfriend

Dushi
08-10-2011, 03:16 PM
All speculation, but I am reading G had an anger issue based on restraining orders etc.
If he felt he was being used by Robyn and read that email, I am thinking he could have lost all control.

So, did he premeditate her death?( if in fact he killed her)
Take her to the beach and drown her?

OR
Did her hurt her in the room when he found the message?

HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 03:17 PM
Giordano and his first wife, Sharon Lynn Cohen, had a history of domestic disputes chronicled in Montgomery County Circuit Court records. Both Giordano and Cohen filed simultaneous protective orders against each other on Dec. 12, 2001.

In Giordano’s protective order, he asserts Cohen struck him repeatedly in the upper back with a 14-inch long steel cooking spoon, resulting in severe welts.

Cohen’s filing alleges that Giordano was the aggressor. She wrote he threatened her, saying, “Things are going to get rough,” and claimed Giordano “Can’t control his anger.”

Both Giordano and Cohen retracted their respective protective orders before a judge Jan. 25, 2002.

On Dec. 21, 2001, Giordano filed for divorce from Cohen, according to court documents, with custody of the couple’s three children ultimately going to Cohen.

Giordano married again June 17, 2006, to Connie Klein, from whom he filed for divorce in August 2008, according to court documents. The couple did not have any children, and split most of their possessions evenly.

http://www.gazette.net/article/20110810/NEWS/708109561/1007/gaithersburg-man-arrested-in-connection-with-woman-s-disappearance&template=gazette

Dushi
08-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Or was she careless enough to send the message in his presence?
On the way to the beach?

It feels like she may have not known what she was up against if that is the case

Dushi
08-10-2011, 03:25 PM
Is there any timeline?
Last seen together by others...

I think I read somewhere that he reported her missing at 6:23 pm
Where was he when he called the authorities?

HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 03:33 PM
Not sure if this has been posted. It's one of the shoplifting arrests.

http://ww2.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2003/200319/germantown/news/157064-1.html

JenniferTx
08-10-2011, 03:55 PM
I wonder if G even knew about the boyfriend

I was wondering the same thing. I would guess that he didn't know anything about him.

concentric
08-10-2011, 04:27 PM
This is too weird. Was the boyfriend so angry that he enlisted (paid) a "friend" to befriend her online and take her to Aruba and there, to make her disappear?

They were playing into the idea that Aruba was a place of mysteries where women just vanish, like Natalee. Sorry, not buying it.

IMO, there has to be a third party, after the boyfriend, and the guy she was with in Aruba...a third party who made sure that she disappeared.

CMac2
08-10-2011, 04:29 PM
One the scariest things about this case, and so many others (like Jacque Waller, for example) is that as much as we all know in our guts that a crime was committed against this woman, there really is no physical evidence of that. Time after time we see abusive spouses/SO's get away with murder because they know how to make someone disappear.

Dushi
08-10-2011, 04:32 PM
This is too weird. Was the boyfriend so angry that he enlisted (paid) a "friend" to befriend her online and take her to Aruba and there, to make her disappear?

They were playing into the idea that Aruba was a place of mysteries where women just vanish, like Natalee. Sorry, not buying it.

IMO, there has to be a third party, after the boyfriend, and the guy she was with in Aruba...a third party who made sure that she disappeared.



Why a third party??
I don't think its complicated at all
I really don't see premediated yet

Women vanish in many places, especially if hooked up with a bad person
Look at his record. Think about her there with him and emailing the boyfriend.
Record of violence against women
Anger issues

JMO

Inspector Gidget
08-10-2011, 04:32 PM
More Questions For Gary Giordano in Aruba Disappearance of Robyn Gardner

Updated: Wednesday, 10 Aug 2011, 3:39 PM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 10 Aug 2011, 3:39 PM EDT

By BEN FOX Associated Press

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - A Maryland man who claimed his travel partner apparently drowned during a getaway to Aruba has now become a suspect in her disappearance because his response to the incident raised suspicions of police.

Gary V. Giordano was in jail on the Caribbean island Wednesday as authorities looked for clues to what happened to his friend, 35-year-old Robyn Gardner. He has said she disappeared while they were snorkeling near the southern tip of the island, the Aruban prosecutor's office said.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said Wednesday that authorities had called off the active search for Gardner because they had no more leads to pursue, but that they planned to question Giordano again.

"The suspect is standing by his story that they went snorkeling and that Robyn did not resurface," Stein said.

Earlier, the prosecutor's office said it decided to detain Giordano on Friday, as he tried to leave Aruba, because of questions about information he gave police about the disappearance. Prosecutors have not said what prompted their suspicions.

Related Stories:

Missing Frederick Woman Robyn Gardner's Travel Partner Detained in Aruba

Frederick Woman, Robyn Gardner, Missing in Aruba

Richard Forester, Boyfriend of Robyn Gardner, Spoke with FOX 5 Morning News

Gardner's younger brother, Andrew Colson, said Giordano seemed too calm when his mother came to Aruba to help find her daughter.

"He didn't seem very sorrowful. He wasn't mournful or anything," Colson told The Associated Press in a phone interview from Odenton, Maryland.

Colson, who last saw his sister in May, said Aruban authorities asked them not to discuss the case in detail, but that they do not believe Giordano's account of what happened. He said she was unlikely to have been snorkeling in the first place.

"I think there's more to it," he said. "...She just wouldn't want to ruin her makeup or get her hair wet.

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/maryland/more-questions-for-gary-giordano-in-aruba-disappearance-of-robyn-gardner-081011#ixzz1UexMcz8I

Giordano is from Gaithersburg, Maryland. His lawyer said he runs an employment agency

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/maryland/more-questions-for-gary-giordano-in-aruba-disappearance-of-robyn-gardner-081011#ixzz1UezCaO9L

HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 04:43 PM
I found his previous wife on Facebook that divorced him in 2008. Plus another woman posted a photo of him and her as a couple together in May 2009 on the FB page for locating Robyn. Both of these women share resemblances to Robyn - long blonde hair and attractive.

I also located his first wife from the 2001 divorce. She doesn't have the similar features like the ones above.

Inspector Gidget
08-10-2011, 04:58 PM
I am not trying to cut down the victim,but Robyn was playing a very dangerous game.Living with one guy who was the boyfriend and partying with the male friend.She had lost her job in a dental office,so had plenty of time to roam free.GG sent her tickets for a trip to Aruba and she accepted,telling her boyfriend she was going with friends or family.A man doesn't offer you a free trip to Aruba for nothing.I am sure he expected something in return.She texts her boyfriend and tells him she loves him and will try to work it out when she gets back.Considering GG has a history of domestic violence ,I would think he is somewhat possessive and demands attention.I think he read her texts somehow,maybe even grabbing the phone from her and that's when it all went downhill.

defense101
08-10-2011, 06:22 PM
From Martin Savage for HLN - Aruban police have confiscated two smart phones they have been sent to Curacao for tech report if they can't do it then they will be sent to the netherlands , impounded the rental car to do forensics, gone through the hotel room as well.

BetteDavisEyes
08-10-2011, 06:26 PM
I'm not surprised that some people might compare this case to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, but I don't feel that the circumstances are at all similar. Robyn is a 35-year-old woman who traveled to Aruba with a man 15 years older than she and whom she met online. She probably didn't know the man well enough to have embarked on a vacation with him. Gardner placed herself in a risky situation, and I hope she hasn't met with foul play.

chief
08-10-2011, 06:52 PM
I agree.

I think the only similarity is that they both went missing in Aruba. Their stories are completely different.

HatesSociopaths
08-10-2011, 07:10 PM
The HLN report indicated he has been on many dating websites and complaints have been made about him.

If anyone sees one of these site profiles he keeps, I would be interested in seeing it. I can't even find him on Facebook.

~n/t~
08-10-2011, 07:47 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else get the sense that her family is very distant from her BF? IIRC, he communicated with her brother through FB when he got concerned. Why didn't he call him?

Very strange.

chasing.halos
08-10-2011, 08:02 PM
OMG, Nancy has Robyn on right now. The headline reads "American girl Natalee lookalike goes missing in Aruba" :pullhair: :pullhair: :pullhair:

~n/t~
08-10-2011, 08:22 PM
OMG, Nancy has Robyn on right now. The headline reads "American girl Natalee lookalike goes missing in Aruba" :pullhair: :pullhair: :pullhair:

I don't get why it's even being compared to Natalee's case. Oh yah it happened in Aruba. :innocent:

cluciano63
08-10-2011, 08:55 PM
NG is really making me sick with this "another American girl lost in Aruba" thing...
Yesterday she had a series of photos, Natalee and Robyn, in similar poses that she had up, one set after another, as if a serial killer were on the loose...unreal...

C.Hound
08-10-2011, 09:09 PM
I haven't listened to the audio on the video in the link below, but the lead-in written statement is, "The roommate of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner talks about her relationship with Gardner's boyfriend and with travel partner 50-year-old Gary Giordano."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Maryland_Woman_Speaks_Out_About_Her_Missing_Roomma te_Washington_DC-127493638.html

I've read here that Robyn lives with her boyfriend, but it appears this isn't the case.

C.Hound
08-10-2011, 09:18 PM
"Christina Jones, Gardner’s roommate, said authorities told her that when the man made the report, he was wearing dry clothing...Jones said her friend had been working at a Bethesda dental practice but was recently laid off. 'She wanted to go to Aruba to get away, to clear her head,' Jones said. Jones said Gardner and the man she traveled with were friends but didn’t have a romantic relationship."

(snipped from http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/robyn-gardner-of-frederick-county-md-is-missing-in-aruba-man-detained/2011/08/09/gIQAhIcc5I_story.html)

~n/t~
08-10-2011, 11:02 PM
I haven't listened to the audio on the video in the link below, but the lead-in written statement is, "The roommate of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner talks about her relationship with Gardner's boyfriend and with travel partner 50-year-old Gary Giordano."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Maryland_Woman_Speaks_Out_About_Her_Missing_Roomma te_Washington_DC-127493638.html

I've read here that Robyn lives with her boyfriend, but it appears this isn't the case.

I think the bf said they moved in together not too long ago. :waitasec:

Charlie09
08-10-2011, 11:40 PM
<snipped>

Giordano is from Gaithersburg, Maryland. His lawyer said he runs an employment agency

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/maryland/more-questions-for-gary-giordano-in-aruba-disappearance-of-robyn-gardner-081011#ixzz1UezCaO9L

Yesterday a couple of posts on the facebook page indicated she had asked other people (a man in the post I can remember) about a job and described her relationship as "torturous"

I have a feeling she played the wrong man.

dizzychick
08-11-2011, 12:05 AM
I am not trying to cut down the victim,but Robyn was playing a very dangerous game.Living with one guy who was the boyfriend and partying with the male friend.She had lost her job in a dental office,so had plenty of time to roam free.GG sent her tickets for a trip to Aruba and she accepted,telling her boyfriend she was going with friends or family.A man doesn't offer you a free trip to Aruba for nothing.I am sure he expected something in return.She texts her boyfriend and tells him she loves him and will try to work it out when she gets back.Considering GG has a history of domestic violence ,I would think he is somewhat possessive and demands attention.I think he read her texts somehow,maybe even grabbing the phone from her and that's when it all went downhill.


wondering that very same thing myself. Wonder if he got rough as the other women in his life reported.

How long had they been there when she texted? does anyone know ? was this the first day?

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 12:22 AM
On NG tonight they said that his recent ex-girlfriend had received death threats from him. They also interviewed a lady who had gone on one date with him who said he threw her to the ground.

The body has not washed ashore and the point was made that it should have by now. I hope that they find her soon and nail this $$#@%. Guilty as sin.

Money Girl
08-11-2011, 05:23 AM
The FBI announced Wednesday that it will assist the police force in Aruba currently investigating the disappearance of an American tourist.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/10/suspect-detained-in-disappearance-maryland-woman-in-aruba/?test=latestnews

Truthwillsetufree
08-11-2011, 05:45 AM
This reminds me of the case of the honeymooners in Australia where the hubby (allegedly) turned off his new brides air supply while scuba diving. I can't recall their names offhand but they were from Birmingham, AL.

I have no desire to EVER go to Aruba. The place gives me the creeps, MOO.

I pray that this lady is found safe and sound but am not feeling good about the companions story.

wm

BBM - Me neither. Aruba is not on my list of places to see. It reminds me of heartache, not paradise. While the circumstances are different than Natalie Holloway's case, these two young women lost their lives there. Very sad.

majikposhun
08-11-2011, 07:19 AM
Just a thought - but anyone considered that she may not have sent the text message to her boyfriend - since it was sent so close to the time GG reported her missing? I think GG sent it to buy himself so time or throw off the investigation. It will be interesting to know where the cell phone pinged from.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 09:35 AM
Just a thought - but anyone considered that she may not have sent the text message to her boyfriend - since it was sent so close to the time GG reported her missing? I think GG sent it to buy himself so time or throw off the investigation. It will be interesting to know where the cell phone pinged from.

That is an interesting thought:waitasec:

Dushi
08-11-2011, 09:44 AM
I read somewhere that no one saw them snorkeling, but did see them on the beach

~snipped~
Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said no witnesses have come forward to say they saw Gardner and Gary Giordano snorkeling off Baby Beach. Witnesses have said they saw the couple on the beach.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/08/10/aruba.missing.woman/

raysgirl1126
08-11-2011, 10:17 AM
BBM - Me neither. Aruba is not on my list of places to see. It reminds me of heartache, not paradise. While the circumstances are different than Natalie Holloway's case, these two young women lost their lives there. Very sad.

It is very sad. Aruba is my mom's favorite place to vacation, in fact she has a trip planned there next month (while I never plan to visit) but it scares the crap outta me that my mom is visiting. It just gives me an uneasy feeling.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 10:30 AM
It is very sad. Aruba is my mom's favorite place to vacation, in fact she has a trip planned there next month (while I never plan to visit) but it scares the crap outta me that my mom is visiting. It just gives me an uneasy feeling.

IMO there is no place where one is always perfectly safe
Look at the stats for other popular vacation spots.
Look at the stats for your or my home towns
Bad things can happen anywhere and the crime is not always solved
Look at the pages on this forum

I have been travelling to Aruba for years
Like your Mom, it is one of my favorite places

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 10:36 AM
Authorities can only hold Giordano for five more days without pressing charges. And until Gardner is found, the answer to what happened to her will remain a mystery.

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&feed_id=0&catid=20091091&videofeed=36&nb_splitPage=5

That body needs to be found. I would hire a search team and offer a reward.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 10:38 AM
Robyn Gardner Missing: Search For Maryland Woman In Aruba Called Off, According To Boyfriend




snipped~

The 41-year-old man claims he has received word that the FBI and Interpol will pick up the search and investigation, but the FBI did not immediately respond to inquiries from The Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/robyn-gardner-search_n_923749.html#s326251&title=Robyn_Gardner

Dushi
08-11-2011, 10:39 AM
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&feed_id=0&catid=20091091&videofeed=36&nb_splitPage=5

That body needs to be found. I would hire a search team and offer a reward.

I believe they can go before the judge of appeals and ask for more detention time

Dushi
08-11-2011, 10:47 AM
Under Aruban law, when is a suspect arrested and detained?

When the prosecution believes they have some information, they can be detained up to three months or longer without charges.. One thing many do not understand in this case is the difference between the two justice systems. Under Aruban law, a suspect can be held without evidence, on suspicion up to three months (or longer if the prosecution can show new evidence that came up between the last extension of the detention); after that, the charges must be filed or the suspect released. There are markers during that time period, where the prosecution must show a judge why further detention is valid. Under the American system, an arrest is made and charges must be filed after 72 hours. From a site on Aruban justice the standard is: "26. Pre-trial detention possible in cases of felonies in case that there are: "... Facts and/or circumstances that can justify a reasonable suspicion of involvement in a (ny) criminal act..." http://www.aruba.com/pages/judicialsystem.htm

sunsetbeach
08-11-2011, 10:49 AM
US reporting of alleged snorkeling site incorrect

http://www.arubaherald.com/local/774-us-reporting-of-alleged-snorkeling-site-incorrect.html

sunsetbeach
08-11-2011, 10:50 AM
Aruba authorities conducting extensive investigation on disappearance of American lady, no positive results yet

http://www.arubaherald.com/local/777-aruba-authorities-conducting-extensive-investigation-on-disappearance-of-american-lady-no-positive-results-yet.html

Paintr
08-11-2011, 10:50 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/robyn-gardner-mother-we-can-only-pray_n_924167.html#s326251&title=Robyn_Gardner

The mother of Robyn Gardner, a Maryland woman who disappeared during a vacation in Aruba, says her family "can only pray" for the 35-year-old's safe return.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post_now/post/aruba-update-robyn-gardners-boyfriend-speaks-on-today/2011/08/11/gIQAxlSP8I_blog.html

Andrew Colson, Robyn Gardner’s brother, told ABC 7 that he believes Gardner is still alive, despite having been missing since August 2. Gardner’s companion on the trip, Gary Giordano, is being held in connection with her disappearance, but he has not been charged with a crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/11/earlyshow/main20091091.shtml

In an "Early Show" interview, Garder's roommate, Christina Jones, said she had her reservations about her friend taking a trip with Giordano.

"I was not excited about her going away with Gary," Jones told co-anchor Chris Wragge.

websurfer
08-11-2011, 10:53 AM
?
I do not think he is telling any truth..so is there absolute proof she ever was there at all?
What airport did they leave from?

Dushi
08-11-2011, 10:56 AM
?
I do not think he is telling any truth..so is there absolute proof she ever was there at all?
What airport did they leave from?

Yes

They talked to other tourists at the hotel
Witnesses saw them

Its in this thread somewhere

raysgirl1126
08-11-2011, 10:58 AM
IMO there is no place where one is always perfectly safe
Look at the stats for other popular vacation spots.
Look at the stats for your or my home towns
Bad things can happen anywhere and the crime is not always solved
Look at the pages on this forum

I have been travelling to Aruba for years
Like your Mom, it is one of my favorite places

Thank you for your reassurance Dushi!! I do have to admit i'm a little bit of a worry wort though. Kinda paranoid about things, I get that from my Grandmother (Love you Grandma RIP), I just got finished watching shark week for the frist time with my hubby. I don't think I will be going swimming in the ocean anymore, at least not past knee high.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 11:37 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html


VERY interesting read

Forester says someone was using Gardner's Gmail account after she was reported missing.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 11:45 AM
Interesting read

http://www.people.com/people/article...517361,00.html


Boyfriend says someone was using her Gmail account after she was reported missing
Also says he was not informed of her disappearanve til Friday when he spoke to her brother

Dushi
08-11-2011, 11:47 AM
Could the police have been watching it?

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 11:50 AM
Thank you for your reassurance Dushi!! I do have to admit i'm a little bit of a worry wort though. Kinda paranoid about things, I get that from my Grandmother (Love you Grandma RIP), I just got finished watching shark week for the frist time with my hubby. I don't think I will be going swimming in the ocean anymore, at least not past knee high.

I, too, have been to Aruba several times and consider it among my favorite winter travel destinations. DH and I will spend a day there in January as part of a southern Caribbean cruise. The ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao) are beautiful resorts, and it's a shame that the risky behaviors of female tourists gives these fabulous vacation spots a bad reputation. There are a few islands in the Caribbean that I don't like because I don't feel safe visiting them, but Aruba isn't on the list.

Paintr
08-11-2011, 11:55 AM
Interesting read

http://www.people.com/people/article...517361,00.html


Boyfriend says someone was using her Gmail account after she was reported missing
Also says he was not informed of her disappearanve til Friday when he spoke to her brother

Rats! Won't connect...says 'page not found'.

I have a bad feeling about this one, folks. I do not think that she just 'drifted away'. Trying to keep good thoughts and wait for news.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 12:01 PM
snipped

That was Monday, Aug. 1. The following day, at 2:05 a.m., she posted a message on his Facebook wall saying simply, "This sucks." He wrote back, "inbox me." Then, 10 hours later, he wrote "Where r u baby??"

"I emailed her the rest of the day trying to get in touch with her," says Forester, a Washington, D.C., headhunter. "She sent me an inbox message on Facebook around 3 p.m. Tuesday, saying, 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' " he says.

That was the last communication Forester had from her.

Three hours later, Gary Giordano, the man with whom Gardner had traveled to Aruba, told authorities she went missing while they were snorkeling.

Forester didn't find out she had disappeared until she failed to return home as planned Thursday night. He says he had never met Giordano but knew of him. Forester says that Gardner told him Giordano was her "gay friend."

http://www.people.com/people/article...517361,00.html

Dushi
08-11-2011, 12:02 PM
I will post the link again

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html

concentric
08-11-2011, 12:27 PM
Robyn Gardner Missing: Search For Maryland Woman In Aruba Called Off, According To Boyfriend




snipped~

The 41-year-old man claims he has received word that the FBI and Interpol will pick up the search and investigation, but the FBI did not immediately respond to inquiries from The Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/robyn-gardner-search_n_923749.html#s326251&title=Robyn_Gardner
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IMO - The media pronouncing that yet another blonde American woman is missing from Aruba is suggestive of the idea that this woman could have been sold as a sex slave. If this turns out to be the case and she is found, Beth may have some leads on what could have happened to Natalee. Natalee's body has never been found. Beth did receive some "tip" that she investigated wherein people were claiming that Natalee had been sold by Joran to someone, who removed her from the island by boat and took her to another country.

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 12:37 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html


VERY interesting read

Forester says someone was using Gardner's Gmail account after she was reported missing.

That will be interesting to see what the gmail activity exactly was. I'm sure that information is retrievable.

"This woman said he'd get into a person's email account, pick up their personality and would then take on that persona."

Classic sociopath characteristic right there.

concentric
08-11-2011, 12:44 PM
It sure would be interesting to know if Giordano was in Aruba when Natalee went missing.

Paintr
08-11-2011, 12:50 PM
I will post the link again

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html

Thank you kindly! Very interesting. She sure is a pretty lady.

raysgirl1126
08-11-2011, 01:01 PM
It sure would be interesting to know if Giordano was in Aruba when Natalee went missing.

Why? I thought Verdersloot rich boy did it?

KaylynnCouture
08-11-2011, 01:07 PM
Details Emerge in Case of North Bethesda Woman Missing in Aruba: http://kensington.patch.com/articles/details-emerge-in-case-of-north-bethesda-woman-missing-in-aruba-3

Dushi
08-11-2011, 01:11 PM
OMG

Have I lost the other thread or have they been combined into one?

Dushi
08-11-2011, 01:14 PM
Then the woman found out that Giordano had secretly filmed the two having sex and posted intimate images of her on the Internet, Landau said in court filings in connection with the woman’s restraining order. The woman confronted Giordano, who responded by placing indecent photos of her inside the mailboxes of about five of her neighbors, Landau said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-buzz/post/lunchline-dont-lie-to-the-census/2011/08/11/gIQAJchp8I_blog.html


MO A sick and dangerous man

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 01:31 PM
Then the woman found out that Giordano had secretly filmed the two having sex and posted intimate images of her on the Internet, Landau said in court filings in connection with the woman’s restraining order. The woman confronted Giordano, who responded by placing indecent photos of her inside the mailboxes of about five of her neighbors, Landau said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-buzz/post/lunchline-dont-lie-to-the-census/2011/08/11/gIQAJchp8I_blog.html


MO A sick and dangerous man

No criminal charges were filed.

She should file them now. This is smoking gun stuff that could put him behind bars. It is also just the tip of the iceberg. More women will come forward. This guy is a predator.

She also began speaking to Montgomery law enforcement, who searched Giordano’s house in May last year, according to officials. But the case was ultimately halted.

“We investigated Ms. Landau’s client’s matter and met with her multiple times,” said Montgomery County State’s Attorney John McCarthy, the county’s top prosecutor. “She ultimately did not wish to pursue it, and we honored her wishes.”

Bet she is regretting this now. Make it good by doing the right thing.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 01:38 PM
Perhaps women who go through that kind of humiliation would rather let it slide , try to forget it happened

Men like GG count on it

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 01:40 PM
Perhaps women who go through that kind of humiliation would rather let it slide , try to forget it happened

Men like GG count on it

Yeah I think that's what happened. Or he settled it with some cash.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 01:43 PM
I can't help but wonder if robyn had no idea about the kind of man she was travelling with.
And then realizes it while in a foreign country.
If so, she must have been very frightened

Men like GG can be charming... until something sets them off

Dushi
08-11-2011, 01:45 PM
One message to her boyfriend said "This sucks"

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 02:25 PM
Is this guy leaving Aruba ? I just caught the end of something on the news and thought that's what I'd heard.

sunsetbeach
08-11-2011, 02:28 PM
I'm curious, does GG have a FB account?

Trubie
08-11-2011, 02:29 PM
It sure would be interesting to know if Giordano was in Aruba when Natalee went missing.

Really? Is this a serous question?:waitasec:

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 02:43 PM
Really? Is this a serous question?:waitasec:


I think anything is possible. I'll never forget the story connected with Natalie of the people who saw a woman in a white car being held by two guys and she looked like Natalie and appeared drugged.(Please don't ask me for the link cause I'm not going to try to find it.)

As crooked as this guy is I suspect he would be very interested in selling someone as a sex slave. The date rape drug would make them unable to defend themselves.

all of the above is my opinion only

Trubie
08-11-2011, 02:44 PM
The fact is: match.com is NOT what it was 5 years ago. Several of my friends and family met their spouses on match.com, back when it was reputable (early 2000's up until 2006) It's well known from LA to Atlanta it's referred to "hookup.com". With that said, last year after my divorce, match.com was recommended to me. While on the first dates, many attractive, successful (and some not so much) men were interested in me... interested in a hookup. On particular man, who is in the entertainment industry, very handsome and early 40's wanted to take me to Los Cabos to his private villa after 4 dates! RED FLAGS!!! Ain't no way I'm going ANYWHERE with some dude I met online. And I'm glad I didn't... he was a coke-head as I found out after another date. It's all about using common sense. In my opinion, after a year of knowing this man she met on match.com (GG), Ms. Gardner was fully aware of what she was dealing with. Regardless of whether GG was just a friend, NO MAN is going to a tropical island with a pretty woman who is 15 years younger than him without expecting something in return. That is a FACT. IMHO, Ms. Gardner was burning both ends of the candle in regards to having a boyfriend and going on a trip with a man she met on match.com. Regardless, she doesn't deserve to have anything horrible happen to her.

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 02:44 PM
FYI HLN news is featuring this case after this commercial.

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 02:47 PM
The fact is: match.com is NOT what it was 5 years ago. Several of my friends and family met their spouses on match.com, back when it was reputable (early 2000's up until 2006) It's well known from LA to Atlanta it's referred to "hookup.com". With that said, last year after my divorce, match.com was recommended to me. While on the first dates, many attractive, successful (and some not so much) men were interested in me... interested in a hookup. On particular man, who is in the entertainment industry, very handsome and early 40's wanted to take me to Los Cabos to his private villa after 4 dates! RED FLAGS!!! Ain't no way I'm going ANYWHERE with some dude I met online. And I'm glad I didn't... he was a coke-head as I found out after another date. It's all about using common sense. In my opinion, after a year of knowing this man she met on match.com (GG), Ms. Gardner was fully aware of what she was dealing with. Regardless of whether GG was just a friend, NO MAN is going to a tropical island with a pretty woman who is 15 years younger than him without expecting something in return. That is a FACT. IMHO, Ms. Gardner was burning both ends of the candle in regards to having a boyfriend and going on a trip with a man she met on match.com. Regardless, she doesn't deserve to have anything horrible happen to her.

Wow Trubie you were so smart! I didn't realize that she had known him for a year. Is it true that Match.com had received several complaints about him and had not removed his account? I am so scared of these dating sites.

ceyler
08-11-2011, 02:48 PM
from what I understand...GG does not have a facbook account. Her brother does, and so does Richard F. I also understand that GG has to stay on the island till this weekend, then the judge will determine if he has to stay longer. Thats from everything that I have read.

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 02:56 PM
They just said they have called off the search??? Wonder what that means?

Trubie
08-11-2011, 02:57 PM
Wow Trubie you were so smart! I didn't realize that she had known him for a year. Is it true that Match.com had received several complaints about him and had not removed his account? I am so scared of these dating sites.

People should be leary of online dating sites. There are more freaks out there than there are sane, nice invdividuals, in my experience.

Again, this is just my opinion... I believe that after being let go from her job, Ms. Gardner had the chance to go on a great vacation for free with someone she knew was questionable. I also believe GG may have caught her texting the "This sucks." to her boyfriend and GG flew into a rage. (A similar situation happened to me... on a trip with my ex-quasi-boyfriend, I was in the shower and a text alert came thru my phone. It was from a potential new suitor. Ex-quasi-boyfriend was livid! I immediately left the hotel room, got my own room and broke up with him.)

Trubie
08-11-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html

packerdog
08-11-2011, 03:32 PM
[QUOTE=tiredblondy;7016389]They just said they have called off the search??? Wonder what that means?[/QUOT

It means that Aruba doesn't care.
It means that they don't want to spend the money to search.
It means that they don't want another black eye after the Holloway case that they botched so badly.
It means they only care about taking your money, not spending their money on a missing person case.

They let murderers go so they can go on to murder again.

otto
08-11-2011, 04:08 PM
It sounds like the family is very thankful for what is being done on Aruba:

Robyn Gardner's family has released this statement:

"Our daughter Robyn has been missing since August 2, 2011. We can only pray that she will soon be with us and bring back the joy into our lives. She means the world to us. We are hoping for the very best outcome with the help of the international community that we will reach a favorable outcome. We are confident very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations. I hope you understand that we are being quiet as to not jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robyn. Thank you."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/11/earlyshow/main20091091.shtml

Melanie
08-11-2011, 04:14 PM
Wow, seems a bit soon to call of the search for this young woman...in light of little evidence to show she was even near the water (from what I've read thus far). It just doesn't seem right to stop searching when they have a potential killer in custody.

Frustrating this is, just frustrating!

MOO

Mel

chief
08-11-2011, 04:15 PM
[QUOTE=tiredblondy;7016389]They just said they have called off the search??? Wonder what that means?[/QUOT

It means that Aruba doesn't care.
It means that they don't want to spend the money to search.
It means that they don't want another black eye after the Holloway case that they botched so badly.
It means they only care about taking your money, not spending their money on a missing person case.

They let murderers go so they can go on to murder again.

This is a bit unfair, don't you think?

She was reported missing on the 2nd. Today is the 11th. It's not Aruba's fault and it's not Aruba's missing citizen. The accused isn't from Aruba either.

How many people are missing right now, today, in the USA that have no one searching for them? Would you make the same comments as you did about Aruba about us??

otto
08-11-2011, 04:22 PM
I was a little surprised that NG was playing down the fact that Robyn was taking a free trip with this guy. Everyone knows there's no such thing as a free trip with a guy ... there's always a hidden agenda or set of expectations, yet NG made it sound like it was quite acceptable for a woman to accept a free trip from a guy. She's sending out the wrong message.

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 04:23 PM
OMG Have I lost the other thread or have they been combined into one?

IIRC, this discussion started out on the "Crimes In the News" board and is now on the "Missing" board. Perhaps some posts have been merged.

defense101
08-11-2011, 04:24 PM
Wow, seems a bit soon to call of the search for this young woman...in light of little evidence to show she was even near the water (from what I've read thus far). It just doesn't seem right to stop searching when they have a potential killer in custody.

Frustrating this is, just frustrating!

MOO

Mel
It could be that they have other evidence that shows the possibility that she did in fact die somewhere else if in fact she has died imo - the hotel room - the rental car?

otto
08-11-2011, 04:27 PM
This is a bit unfair, don't you think?

She was reported missing on the 2nd. Today is the 11th. It's not Aruba's fault and it's not Aruba's missing citizen.

The beach where she went missing, Nanki Beach, is different than what is reported on NG. If she disappeared in the water, then 9 days is probably long enough as she's probably not going to be found. A ground search would still be a good idea.

packerdog
08-11-2011, 04:30 PM
[quote=packerdog;7016498]

This is a bit unfair, don't you think?

She was reported missing on the 2nd. Today is the 11th. It's not Aruba's fault and it's not Aruba's missing citizen. The accused isn't from Aruba either.

How many people are missing right now, today, in the USA that have no one searching for them? Would you make the same comments as you did about Aruba about us??

I don't think it is unfair at all.

otto
08-11-2011, 04:31 PM
Here's a link to information about a couple drowning at the Baby Beach area while snorkeling in 2006

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/snorkeling-second-thoughts-5344/

Here's more about the riptides in Aruba

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/drowning-aruba-48601/

Melanie
08-11-2011, 04:33 PM
It could be that they have other evidence that shows the possibility that she did in fact die somewhere else if in fact she has died imo - the hotel room - the rental car?

I hope so -- and I hope they find Robyn soon. I'm not convinced she floated out to sea as the travelling companion said.

MOO

Mel

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 04:36 PM
Inside Edition featuring this case as I type. Video and/or text should be available on the IE website shortly.

otto
08-11-2011, 04:39 PM
I hope so -- and I hope they find Robyn soon. I'm not convinced she floated out to sea as the travelling companion said.

MOO

Mel

From reading a bit about Baby Beach, and knowing that they were snorkelling in Nanki Beach - beyond the safety of the protective Baby Beach shores, it sounds like there are serious riptides and previous drownings in that very area. Since the traveling companion was dressed when he reported her missing, then she could have traveled quite a distance in the water before anyone started looking for her.

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 05:20 PM
I sincerely hope that Aruba has a lot more cameras watching what's going on since Natalie!

OneLove
08-11-2011, 05:22 PM
If Giordano secretly filmed a former date having sex with him and then posted it on the internet, I would be VERY curious as to exactly where he posted it. This 'could' be a clue to pretty unsavory money-making activities. Or maybe he was just a schmuck who emailed it to some personal friends because he has extreme self image problems.

If he had a habit of making money off pornography made from online-dating hookups, maybe she is still alive somewhere and was sold.

One media article said she 'saw' this creep twice a month. That sounds suspiciously regular and planned for them both. Is it possible that she might have been making income on the side? Could that income have been from something other than the sex trade?

tiredblondy
08-11-2011, 05:23 PM
From reading a bit about Baby Beach, and knowing that they were snorkelling in Nanki Beach - beyond the safety of the protective Baby Beach shores, it sounds like there are serious riptides and previous drownings in that very area. Since the traveling companion was dressed when he reported her missing, then she could have traveled quite a distance in the water before anyone started looking for her.

Do we know for sure they were snorkelling? On Nancy Grace they had interviewed someone who ran a shop that rented out snorkelling equip and he said they did not rent any from him.

I suspect if he said it the info may be unreliable.:innocent:

otto
08-11-2011, 05:28 PM
Do we know for sure they were snorkelling? On Nancy Grace they had interviewed someone who ran a shop that rented out snorkelling equip and he said they did not rent any from him.

I suspect if he said it the info may be unreliable.:innocent:

Robyn's companion said they were snorkelling at Nanki Beach, which is near Baby Beach. Researching more about the area surrounding Nanki Beach, it sounds like it can be dangerous.

http://www.shorediving.com./Earth/ABC/Aruba/Baby_Beach_Reef/index.htm

The person being interviewed was about to say more about the shop being more for scuba equipment, that they didn't have snorkelling equipment, when NG cut him off.

cluciano63
08-11-2011, 05:33 PM
I've seen searches for missing people stopped in less than 8-9 days and that wasn't even when an ocean had to be taken into consideration...

otto
08-11-2011, 05:37 PM
I've seen searches for missing people stopped in less than 8-9 days and that wasn't even when an ocean had to be taken into consideration...

The Island is so small that if anyone was in the water for 9 days they'll either be in the wide open ocean, or way down at the bottom. I can't see any point in continuing to search the water at this point. If something happened to her on shore, then she will turn up ... since her companion doesn't have the advantage of knowing all the hiding spots on such a small Island.

CuriousHousewife
08-11-2011, 05:42 PM
I was a little surprised that NG was playing down the fact that Robyn was taking a free trip with this guy. Everyone knows there's no such thing as a free trip with a guy ... there's always a hidden agenda or set of expectations, yet NG made it sound like it was quite acceptable for a woman to accept a free trip from a guy. She's sending out the wrong message.

I agree with the portion I've bolded. Of course, no one deserves to die or be missing or whatever the case is here, but you would think a woman of her age would realize that if a man wants to take you on an exotic island vacation, it's not just for conversation, and so maybe she shouldn't have gone with someone that she clearly did not know very well. I can imagine that she was probably aware of what might be expected of her, but I believe she didn't realize he was straight up psycho, and that part isn't her fault.

CuriousHousewife
08-11-2011, 05:44 PM
And something about the name "Baby Beach" creeps me out. I know why they call it that, but I cannot help but be creeped out by it.

What do you make of the boyfriend's contention that she wouldn't have wanted to mess up her hair, that she would have probably had a couple of drinks by that time and would have been ready to go out and basically party? That whole line of conversation strikes me as bizarre.

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 06:01 PM
When was she last seen? On the beach by the rental place where they saw them eating? What time was that? When was her last message to her boyfriend sent? Thanks.

Dushi
08-11-2011, 06:25 PM
When was she last seen? On the beach by the rental place where they saw them eating? What time was that? When was her last message to her boyfriend sent? Thanks.



Boyfriend said her last message came in around three pm

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 06:37 PM
She was supposed to be in Orlando with her parents. Gardner, 35, told Forester, 40, she couldn't talk, but the next morning she emailed him to say her parents had surprised her with a family trip to Aruba, Forester tells PEOPLE.

That was Monday, Aug. 1. The following day, at 2:05 a.m., she posted a message on his Facebook wall saying simply, "This sucks." He wrote back, "inbox me." Then, 10 hours later, he wrote "Where r u baby??"

"I emailed her the rest of the day trying to get in touch with her," says Forester, a Washington, D.C., headhunter. "She sent me an inbox message on Facebook around 3 p.m. Tuesday, saying, 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' " he says.

That was the last communication Forester had from her.

Three hours later, Gary Giordano, the man with whom Gardner had traveled to Aruba, told authorities she went missing while they were snorkeling.


Is it just me or is Forester's story changing? I haven't heard this version before that she said to him she was going to Orlando (of all places.)

Somebody earlier made the point that last message at 3 p.m. Tuesday August 2nd could have been written by the killer. I think that's a good possibility. I am still trying to establish when she was last seen with exact time of day by someone other than this predator. From the other part of the interview, it sounds like Forester was plying her with emails and messages trying to elicit a response, and the killer may have sent this to calm him down.

The message given Tuesday morning at 2 a.m. on his FB wall "This sucks" is obviously her.

Article also mentions her return flight was supposed to be Thursday, August 4th. She was reported missing on Tuesday, August 2nd at 6:30 p.m. She arrived in Aruba Sunday, July 31st.

OneLove
08-11-2011, 06:38 PM
And something about the name "Baby Beach" creeps me out. I know why they call it that, but I cannot help but be creeped out by it.

What do you make of the boyfriend's contention that she wouldn't have wanted to mess up her hair, that she would have probably had a couple of drinks by that time and would have been ready to go out and basically party? That whole line of conversation strikes me as bizarre.

I hear ya; no one would ever describe ME in that way, lol.

However, I DO know women who are all about 'Happy Hour' same time every day. For one, it's 5:00pm religiously, for an aunt by marriage, it is 3:00pm. These women are dressed and 'done-up', hand out and ready to begin their evening. Hair and full complement of makeup ALWAYS. My sweet husband thinks they are creatures from an alien planet, lol.

I can visualize this being the case here also. Plus, she and her boyfriend have been seeing each other long enough that he has probably experienced plenty of these occasions with her. She may be the sort that NEVER lets water splash her face for fear her face will ooze off into the pool. :)

cocomod
08-11-2011, 06:56 PM
And something about the name "Baby Beach" creeps me out. I know why they call it that, but I cannot help but be creeped out by it.

What do you make of the boyfriend's contention that she wouldn't have wanted to mess up her hair, that she would have probably had a couple of drinks by that time and would have been ready to go out and basically party? That whole line of conversation strikes me as bizarre.

Some women take 2 hours to "get ready" to go out. I have a neighbor who will NOT be seen if she is not "perfect". We call her "barbie" because she is always dressed to the 9's and her hair and make-up are always 100%. She even admits that it is a curse.

JMHO - I can see how someone would describe a female as not being "water friendly" after a certain hour - especially on vacation. They would not want to take the 2+ hours to get ready to go out for dinner.

It does sound like her BF is talking trash about her, but possibly he is just being brutally honest. Describing her personality to show that G's story does not add up.

defense101
08-11-2011, 07:05 PM
US boyfriend on JVM

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Info continues to come in on GG past. I've lost count of how many previous women have come forward or who have known court/police dealings with him now.

Family law attorney Gail Landau represented one woman who swore out a Peace Order against Giordano in 2010. According to an application for a search warrant, Giordano was arrested April 28, 2010 after one woman accused him of strangling her during sex, an encounter investigators said was on video. According to the application, the victim "was struck several times in the head, face buttocks and legs." She was also "digitally choked and subjected to manual strangulation during the event."

Another alleged victim claimed Giordano secretly videotaped her and "threatened to publish and distribute the recordings."
Giordano's place was searched last year as part of the investigation into the accusations. One of his neighbors said, "I just know that he has done some strange things. Nobody really wants to divulge what it is."

The search warrant ordered investigators to seize any other tapes in the home -- which has a security camera on the roof and a sign warning visitors they will be video and audio recorded at all times -- that might depict other victims of Gary Giordano.

In the end, prosecutors dropped both cases when victims declined to go forward.

Giordano then meet Robyn Gardner on Match.com and they went on a getaway to Aruba. Her roommate in Frederick talked to the CBS Early Show on Thursday.

Thursday, in Gaithersburg, another alleged victim told 9NEWS NOW she dated Giordano briefly and was also terrified by his behavior, but did not go to police.

Landau's client, who does not want to be identified, remains afraid, but is reconsidering the possibility of moving forward with a criminal case against him if he returns from Aruba, Landau says.

http://wusa9.com/news/article/162086/373/Details-Surface-About-Missing-Womans-Traveling-Partner

The cause of death is likely strangulation, which will be visible in the autopsy if they can find the body.

terracotta
08-11-2011, 07:18 PM
I hear ya; no one would ever describe ME in that way, lol.

However, I DO know women who are all about 'Happy Hour' same time every day. For one, it's 5:00pm religiously, for an aunt by marriage, it is 3:00pm. These women are dressed and 'done-up', hand out and ready to begin their evening. Hair and full complement of makeup ALWAYS. My sweet husband thinks they are creatures from an alien planet, lol.

I can visualize this being the case here also. Plus, she and her boyfriend have been seeing each other long enough that he has probably experienced plenty of these occasions with her. She may be the sort that NEVER lets water splash her face for fear her face will ooze off into the pool. :)

On NG last night they said she had extensions glued in...there is no way she would put her head in the water with extensions glued in....that is a very important point supporting the BFs feeling's of her not going snorkeling. He said anytime they went away she would go up to her waist in water...that's it.

terracotta
08-11-2011, 07:19 PM
also has it been mentioned here that GG had is own snorkeling gear...and she would have had to rent some...and there are no places that remember renting any to her. The one they went up to that night said they looked but didn't rent anything. That was on NG last night.

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 07:44 PM
Is it just me or is Forester's story changing? I haven't heard this version before that she said to him she was going to Orlando (of all places.)

Somebody earlier made the point that last message at 3 p.m. Tuesday August 2nd could have been written by the killer. I think that's a good possibility. I am still trying to establish when she was last seen with exact time of day by someone other than this predator. From the other part of the interview, it sounds like Forester was plying her with emails and messages trying to elicit a response, and the killer may have sent this to calm him down.

The message given Tuesday morning at 2 a.m. on his FB wall "This sucks" is obviously her.

Article also mentions her return flight was supposed to be Thursday, August 4th. She was reported missing on Tuesday, August 2nd at 6:30 p.m. She arrived in Aruba Sunday, July 31st.

I watched/listened to JVM on HLN earlier and was struck by how many times "the boyfriend" referred to Robyn in the past tense. He's established himself to the media as Robyn's "boyfriend", but he mentioned that he's moved and given her cats and other belongings to Robyn's brother. Sounds to me like the pair weren't going to be living together any more, so just how close were Forester and Gardner before Robyn left for Aruba with a guy that she met online? I hope local LE are taking a close look at "the boyfriend". jmo

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Nancy Grace is covering this story tonight. Starting now on HLN.

I'm already pizzed that NG is referring to Robyn as a "girl": She's a 35-year-old woman!

Levi
08-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Tonight at 9 PM ET

Former detective Stacy Dittrich, crime analyst Sheryl McCollum, and Profiler Pat Brown discuss the latest in the Robyn Gardner! Listen here: http://t.co/kGnFu9j

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:02 PM
Is it just me or is Forester's story changing? I haven't heard this version before that she said to him she was going to Orlando (of all places.)

Somebody earlier made the point that last message at 3 p.m. Tuesday August 2nd could have been written by the killer. I think that's a good possibility. I am still trying to establish when she was last seen with exact time of day by someone other than this predator. From the other part of the interview, it sounds like Forester was plying her with emails and messages trying to elicit a response, and the killer may have sent this to calm him down.

The message given Tuesday morning at 2 a.m. on his FB wall "This sucks" is obviously her.

Article also mentions her return flight was supposed to be Thursday, August 4th. She was reported missing on Tuesday, August 2nd at 6:30 p.m. She arrived in Aruba Sunday, July 31st.

While I don't think Forester is responsible for Robyn's disappearance, but I do think he's overblowing his importance in her life, perhaps for sympathy/attention.

In some articles, it states the two had been dating for 2.5 years. Other places it states they've been together 6 months (if that's true, Robyn met GG before she even started seeing Forester). I've read they had just moved in together, but seen elsewhere that they had merely "discussed" marriage and living together.

In addition, as someone else stated, way up thread, Forester reached out to Robyn's brother on FB when he became concerned about her. If they had been in this super-serious relationship for the 2.5 years, would he not be well enough acquainted with Robyn's family to pick up the phone and call? Especially if he was concerned for her overall safety/well-being.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:12 PM
Wow some of the tidbits on NG on this guy. He is bad news

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 08:13 PM
While I don't think Forester is responsible for Robyn's disappearance, but I do think he's overblowing his importance in her life, perhaps for sympathy/attention.

In some articles, it states the two had been dating for 2.5 years. Other places it states they've been together 6 months (if that's true, Robyn met GG before she even started seeing Forester). I've read they had just moved in together, but seen elsewhere that they had merely "discussed" marriage and living together.

In addition, as someone else stated, way up thread, Forester reached out to Robyn's brother on FB when he became concerned about her. If they had been in this super-serious relationship for the 2.5 years, would he not be well enough acquainted with Robyn's family to pick up the phone and call? Especially if he was concerned for her overall safety/well-being.

I posted this above:

I watched/listened to JVM on HLN earlier and was struck by how many times "the boyfriend" referred to Robyn in the past tense. He's established himself to the media as Robyn's "boyfriend", but he mentioned that he's moved and given her cats and other belongings to Robyn's brother. Sounds to me like the pair weren't going to be living together any more, so just how close were Forester and Gardner before Robyn left for Aruba with a guy that she met online? I hope local LE are taking a close look at "the boyfriend". jmo

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:14 PM
I thought Forester's original story was that he was on the phone with Gardner, thinking she was in Orlando with family, and that he heard static and beeping on the line, tipping him off that it was an international call. When he questioned her about where she really was, she stated her family had surprised her by taking her to Aruba at the last minute.

That's not what he's saying now... or at least it isn't what he's claiming to Matt Lauer on the Today Show:

Forester said Gardner sent him an email while in Aruba saying she had a change of plans from visiting family in Florida.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44102681/ns/today-today_people/t/boyfriend-fears-safety-woman-missing-aruba/

Again, I don't think he's involved, but I really don't think Robyn was in quite as "serious" a relationship with Forester as he claims.

Has her family said anything about him or their relationship?

JMO

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:14 PM
Levi hopefully you can update us

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:15 PM
I posted this above:

I watched/listened to JVM on HLN earlier and was struck by how many times "the boyfriend" referred to Robyn in the past tense. He's established himself to the media as Robyn's "boyfriend", but he mentioned that he's moved and given her cats and other belongings to Robyn's brother. Sounds to me like the pair weren't going to be living together any more, so just how close were Forester and Gardner before Robyn left for Aruba with a guy that she met online? I hope local LE are taking a close look at "the boyfriend". jmo

I'm totally with you. I can't figure out how the boyfriend could be involved, having been so far away when Robyn disappeared, but at best he's over-exaggerating the relationship he has with Robyn. Something's off with his changing stories, IMO.

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:17 PM
Wow some of the tidbits on NG on this guy. He is bad news

Keep us posted, Coldpizza! I have a standing NO NANCY GRACE policy, but I'm not above gnawing on whatever you hear from her!

otto
08-11-2011, 08:21 PM
I agree with the portion I've bolded. Of course, no one deserves to die or be missing or whatever the case is here, but you would think a woman of her age would realize that if a man wants to take you on an exotic island vacation, it's not just for conversation, and so maybe she shouldn't have gone with someone that she clearly did not know very well. I can imagine that she was probably aware of what might be expected of her, but I believe she didn't realize he was straight up psycho, and that part isn't her fault.

It's not Robyn's fault at all. I think some women do believe that an innocent "friends" type vacation is possible, but when they're actually on the vacation things change quickly. NG knows better, and I think she should have been sending that message. Instead, her agenda seemed to be about Aruba doing something wrong. For example, NG identified the nearby quiet beach as the location where she went missing rather than the more dangerous beach where the two were snorkelling. NG had her guests talk about how ridiculous it was for someone to disappear while snorkelling in quiet, shallow water, but that is not what the situation was.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:21 PM
Richard Forrester on now. The man had been offering free trips to other women per NG

RF. its hard not knowing, please come forward if you know this man;

This man is not right

she has a gmail account with a chat feature, after she went missing it went green, orange and gray, meaning status if online or not

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:23 PM
Keep us posted, Coldpizza! I have a standing NO NANCY GRACE policy, but I'm not above gnawing on whatever you hear from her!

So does DH of late shhhhhh

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:26 PM
It's not Robyn's fault at all. I think some women do believe that an innocent "friends" type vacation is possible, but when they're actually on the vacation things change quickly. NG knows better, and I think she should have been sending that message. Instead, her agenda seemed to be about Aruba doing something wrong. For example, NG identified the nearby quiet beach as the location where she went missing rather than the more dangerous beach where the two were snorkelling. NG had her guests talk about how ridiculous it was for someone to disappear while snorkelling in quiet, shallow water, but that is not what the situation was.

I agree that it isn't Robyn's fault if something horrible did in fact happen to her (and sadly, I believe it did). That being said, it is SOOOOO important to empower women to make better decisions for ourselves! It starts and ends with us, and we have to do a better job at avoiding compromising situations.

In my humble opinion, I find it difficult to fathom Robyn (she seems very intelligent) believing she was heading on a platonic trip to Aruba with a man she met on Match.com. They call it a dating site for a reason- and one has to pay to join (don't ask me how I know this. LOL :D)... Why would a beautiful, wildly popular woman join a dating site to meet platonic friends? Especially since that's where she met her current bf, Forester.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:26 PM
Caller asking if she did a background check?

Thank this post if you do a background check before dateing??????

I'm married so no need

HatesSociopaths
08-11-2011, 08:29 PM
Just going to try to piece this together a little more, speculation mixed in.

Sounds like Robyn was stringing Forester along. He was being used and is in denial. Robyn appears to have been "using" GG though obviously he had much more sinister motives at play. Robyn thought she was playing him but little did she know what he was capable of.

Something must have happened that Monday night, the night of "this sucks." He got angry at her over something. They probably both had been drinking. Something caused him to erupt. She then felt very uncomfortable and sought to reach out to a safe point, Forester. Perhaps they had argued while out partying in Aruba that night, maybe she flirted with another man, he got angry, she sends her "this sucks" message, they get back to the room, she refuses sex, and the storm within him starts to really brew. Then he catches her messaging Forester that she loves him, blows up with rage, and he then takes her for a drive and strangles her, disposes of body, reports her missing, etc.

The Holloways flew in cadaver dogs, maybe the Gardners should do the same. Justice for their daughter may depend on it.

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 08:30 PM
I'm wondering now why Robyn lost her job in a dental office. Maybe it's nothing significant, but I would like to hear from the dentist or office manager that let Robyn go and for what reason.

concentric
08-11-2011, 08:32 PM
RE: Nancy Grace program. I'm wondering why no one is commenting on the photo taken of her on the rocky surface with her back arched up? Who took that photo?

I have to wonder if Giordano told her that he wanted to take photos of her in Aruba?

CMac2
08-11-2011, 08:32 PM
Caller asking if she did a background check?

Thank this post if you do a background check before dateing??????

I'm married so no need

I'm married NOW... but was a single mom for several years. I always did background checks... and save for their father, I'm happy to report my little ones never met another man until they met the one I married.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:35 PM
I agree that it isn't Robyn's fault if something horrible did in fact happen to her (and sadly, I believe it did). That being said, it is SOOOOO important to empower women to make better decisions for ourselves! It starts and ends with us, and we have to do a better job at avoiding compromising situations.

In my humble opinion, I find it difficult to fathom Robyn (she seems very intelligent) believing she was heading on a platonic trip to Aruba with a man she met on Match.com. They call it a dating site for a reason- and one has to pay to join (don't ask me how I know this. LOL :D)... Why would a beautiful, wildly popular woman join a dating site to meet platonic friends? Especially since that's where she met her current bf, Forester.

Well. well, well thats a loaded question, perhaps she is longing for more in her life, she has had a taste for wealth, she also needs devotion which her BF gave her but hes not accustomed to the fast life she may enjoy. She wants to settle but not sure how. She has had an internet life with this man and BF doesn't know. Basically, perhaps she has lived a torn and double life. She may have opted for the fun and high life over security and lost her life because of it.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 08:43 PM
lol, thought dh wasn't listening, but he just stood up and said " I dont know about you but isn't your hinky meter pegged out on this guy?" I about fell off the bed!!

Kiln Wood
08-11-2011, 09:00 PM
I, too, have been to Aruba several times and consider it among my favorite winter travel destinations. DH and I will spend a day there in January as part of a southern Caribbean cruise. The ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao) are beautiful resorts, and it's a shame that the risky behaviors of female tourists gives these fabulous vacation spots a bad reputation. There are a few islands in the Caribbean that I don't like because I don't feel safe visiting them, but Aruba isn't on the list.

BBM

Couldn't agree more!!! Hope you enjoy your time in Aruba in January!!

BetteDavisEyes
08-11-2011, 09:02 PM
lol, thought dh wasn't listening, but he just stood up and said " I dont know about you but isn't your hinky meter pegged out on this guy?" I about fell off the bed!!

My hinky meter rises with everything I hear about GG! I'm also beginning to think that RG's family, roomie, friends, and especially the "boyfriend" were unaware of Robyn's "other life" ;) jmo

RubyRed
08-11-2011, 09:12 PM
This case is on Dr Drew right now.

concentric
08-11-2011, 09:13 PM
JMO - I think that maybe she had a second job, perhaps as a model for GG's photography, for which she was either paid, or in exchange, given a free trip to Aruba.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 09:15 PM
My hinky meter rises with everything I hear about GG! I'm also beginning to think that RG's family, roomie, friends, and especially the "boyfriend" were unaware of Robyn's "other life" ;) jmo

I agree with you, I believe she is very pretty but at the same time very insecure and needs to feed stability in her life, but at the same time not yet ready to commit because of her insecurities. She wants the white picket fence but feels she is not worthy. I know thats deep but my:twocents:

Cortne
08-11-2011, 09:21 PM
I agree with you, I believe she is very pretty but at the same time very insecure and needs to feed stability in her life, but at the same time not yet ready to commit because of her insecurities. She wants the white picket fence but feels she is not worthy. I know thats deep but my:twocents:

I totally agree..

And this poor guy (the bf) is being put thru the ringer. Bless his heart.

RubyRed
08-11-2011, 09:24 PM
I totally agree..

And this poor guy (the bf) is being put thru the ringer. Bless his heart.

He is opening up and talking a lot more on Dr Drew than he did on NG.

concentric
08-11-2011, 09:26 PM
IMO - Given the comments made by friends that she was very meticulous about her makeup and her appearance not being messed up, I think she probably enjoyed being a model for photography.

Remember how many girls/women fall for some predator who tells them they are very photogenic and should be models.

SeaNymph
08-11-2011, 09:26 PM
I think they need to search the other side of the island, still near the lower 'tip' but the contrast in the terrain and water of the east vs. west coast of Aruba is really incredible. IF this guy did something, could he have put her there, on the east side, knowing her body would (pardon me) get beat up pretty bad by the terrain/rocks? Of course, I am no expert on tides etc, but from what I understand anything placed on the west coast would go towards Venezuela (15 miles away) but just because I know that doesnt mean he did.

Also, I know I heard they were staying at the Marriott but are there two? If it is the one I stayed in once, for their trip that far south they would have had to pass through the little shops area near the cruise ships, Little Switzerland and some very ritzy jewelry and clothing stores - on a tight two lane street that traffic always seemed to 'jam up' there the times I have been. Could a surveillance camera maybe have caught the car heading south at the times he would claim they were, hopefully showing her riding in the passenger seat? I'd be willing to bet the video cameras from the hotel they were staying have already been checked to see if they walked out together.

He's definitely Creepy McCreeps, IMO.

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 09:28 PM
This case is on Dr Drew right now.


Thanks, Ruby good to see you again!

RubyRed
08-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Thanks, Ruby good to see you again!

Thanks Coldpizza :)

Coldpizza
08-11-2011, 09:46 PM
Thanks Coldpizza :)

You got it GF you have been missed see ya around:rocker:

OneLove
08-11-2011, 09:51 PM
My hinky meter rises with everything I hear about GG! I'm also beginning to think that RG's family, roomie, friends, and especially the "boyfriend" were unaware of Robyn's "other life" ;) jmo

Sorting out what that "other life" was about should be quite revealing. Nothing, NOTHING excuses murder, but it does seem she increased her risks by the actions she chose. I am not surprised at her bf distancing himself quickly. He probably would have anyway on figuring out her lies, even if she had NOT disappeared. Who could blame him? He clearly could not trust her to not expose him to deadly risks. There's a pretty huge disrespect there, outside of the disrespectful lying.

Cortne
08-11-2011, 10:16 PM
Sorting out what that "other life" was about should be quite revealing. Nothing, NOTHING excuses murder, but it does seem she increased her risks by the actions she chose. I am not surprised at her bf distancing himself quickly. He probably would have anyway on figuring out her lies, even if she had NOT disappeared. Who could blame him? He clearly could not trust her to not expose him to deadly risks. There's a pretty huge disrespect there, outside of the disrespectful lying.

The is a huge dont do anything you dont want on the front page of the newspaper situation. Respectfully. How sad for all involved. And for Aruba as well.

Tugela
08-11-2011, 10:39 PM
While I don't think Forester is responsible for Robyn's disappearance, but I do think he's overblowing his importance in her life, perhaps for sympathy/attention.

In some articles, it states the two had been dating for 2.5 years. Other places it states they've been together 6 months (if that's true, Robyn met GG before she even started seeing Forester). I've read they had just moved in together, but seen elsewhere that they had merely "discussed" marriage and living together.

In addition, as someone else stated, way up thread, Forester reached out to Robyn's brother on FB when he became concerned about her. If they had been in this super-serious relationship for the 2.5 years, would he not be well enough acquainted with Robyn's family to pick up the phone and call? Especially if he was concerned for her overall safety/well-being.

I think he is overstating his relationship with her. If he was in a serious relationship and believed that she was with her parents, then when she failed to return at the alloted time and he heard nothing from her, you would think that he would immediately contact the parents to see if plans had changed. His changing story is also a bit suspect, unless it is just a case of poor reporting (which isn't that unusual).

Her relationship with GG is also odd. What 35 year old woman goes on a foreign vacation with a 50 year old man she knows casually, at the same time she when has a long term boyfriend, who is talking marriage, and he knows nothing about it? It is not like she is a church girl, the huge tat on her arm puts paid to that idea, she knows the score. So what was she doing there? you kind of have to wonder if it was a "paid" trip, and therefore the BF knew nothing about it. Or maybe he does but can't come out and say it, because, its sort of illegal. So he has to say other stuff. It would also explain why GG didn't seem to care all that much, if he was paying she would be doing what he wanted to do, filling out his fantasy vacation, and if she got swept out to sea while doing that he wouldn't be particularly emotional about it. In fact, he would probably want to get out of Dodge ASAP.

Very strange anyway, there is a subtext to this story that is hard to figure out. Perhaps when more of the truth comes out we will get a better idea.

otto
08-11-2011, 10:47 PM
Maybe someone has more information about this, but I thought I read that if someone from the US is murdered elsewhere, the culprit can be tried in the US. I think I read this in connection with the guy from Alabama that murdered his new bride while scuba diving in Australia ... that is the reason he was being tried again in the US after serving time in Australia. If that's the case, wouldn't it be preferable for Aruba to send this guy on his way home and let the FBI and the US look after any prosecution rather than take the chance of being highly criticised if they don't solve this in short order? I'm just thinking about what Nancy Grace will be saying in a week if this isn't wrapped up with a neat bow in no time.

Tugela
08-11-2011, 10:49 PM
IMO - Given the comments made by friends that she was very meticulous about her makeup and her appearance not being messed up, I think she probably enjoyed being a model for photography.

Remember how many girls/women fall for some predator who tells them they are very photogenic and should be models.

This is a 35 year old woman with major tats, she is NOT going to fall for a line like that.

Tugela
08-11-2011, 10:52 PM
Maybe someone has more information about this, but I thought I read that if someone from the US is murdered elsewhere, the culprit can be tried in the US. I think I read this in connection with the guy from Alabama that murdered his new bride while scuba diving in Australia ... that is the reason he was being tried again in the US after serving time in Australia. If that's the case, wouldn't it be preferable for Aruba to send this guy on his way home and let the FBI and the US look after any prosecution rather than take the chance of being highly criticised if they don't solve this in short order? I'm just thinking about what Nancy Grace will be saying in a week if this isn't wrapped up with a neat bow in no time.

No, he was charged in Alabama because the supposed plot was allegedly hatched there even though she died in Australia. So they claimed jursidiction.

otto
08-11-2011, 10:55 PM
No, he was charged in Alabama because the supposed plot was allegedly hatched there even though she died in Australia. So they claimed jursidiction.

I see. Thanks. So this has to be resolved in Aruba because it's not possible, at this time, to prove that a plan was hatched in the US.

I suppose the one person that knows how to make a person disappear forever from Aruba is sitting in a Peruvian jail ... but I bet Joran van der Sloot would have some suggestions about where to find Robyn.

concentric
08-11-2011, 10:59 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/friends-md-woman-missing-in-aruba-loved-travel-cats-her-wild-tattoos-belied-a-kind-nature/2011/08/11/gIQA8MyN8I_story.html

She was recently laid off from a dentist’s office in the Washington area where she had worked scheduling patients, Forester said. She had also done some modeling, he said.

Tugela
08-11-2011, 11:06 PM
I see. Thanks. So this has to be resolved in Aruba because it's not possible, at this time, to prove that a plan was hatched in the US.

I suppose the one person that knows how to make a person disappear forever from Aruba is sitting in a Peruvian jail ... but I bet Joran van der Sloot would have some suggestions about where to find Robyn.

That depends, if it was something planned, that originated in the US, then he could still get charged in the state it all started in. If it was something that happened on the spur of the moment then Aruba would get it.

I don't think it is that hard to dissappear at the sea in places like that. Aruba is a small island, once you get swept out to sea the chances of your body getting washed up again are pretty remote. It would just go out to sea and the sharks would get it somewhere out in the Carribean.

otto
08-11-2011, 11:17 PM
From the sounds of it, she wouldn't have gone snorkeling at that time in that location, so it's more likely that something happened first and then she was put into the water. Still, that seems like something that had to be done in the dark of night, yet we've heard that she was seen in the dive shop cafe shortly before 6 ... I think that's what I heard on NG last night. At 6:30 he reported that she was missing while snorkeling. If she didn't disappear while snorkeling in that window of time, where did she go?

jjenny
08-11-2011, 11:45 PM
It's not Robyn's fault at all. I think some women do believe that an innocent "friends" type vacation is possible, but when they're actually on the vacation things change quickly. NG knows better, and I think she should have been sending that message. Instead, her agenda seemed to be about Aruba doing something wrong. For example, NG identified the nearby quiet beach as the location where she went missing rather than the more dangerous beach where the two were snorkelling. NG had her guests talk about how ridiculous it was for someone to disappear while snorkelling in quiet, shallow water, but that is not what the situation was.

Anything is possible, but I don't think there are many 50 year old men who are interested in taking young women on innocent "friends" type vacations.

otto
08-12-2011, 12:02 AM
Anything is possible, but I don't think there are many 50 year old men who are interested in taking young women on innocent "friends" type vacations.

That's just it ... the way NG was presenting it on her show yesterday was that Robyn, who had a boyfriend of 2+ years, was doing nothing wrong by accepting a free vacation in Aruba with this friend of hers that she met a year earlier on a dating website. I think NG should have been a little more above board and stated that any woman that thinks a 50 year old man is offering a free vacation with no strings attached is not thinking clearly.

concentric
08-12-2011, 12:07 AM
Here's one of the NG transcripts, to review some of the info.

I bolded the below sentence because I've been wondering about this all day.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ng.01.html

WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER

TRIPP: And that`s what I would be looking at. I would want to see, when did they leave? Did they leave together? Did he come back by himself? What exactly went on with that? It is obvious that he invited her there. And with that being the case, then he set this up.

My next question is, who else, who else is he associated with there? You know how did this trip come about? There are a lot of questions there that have not been answered, but it is obvious apparently to all of us other than the Aruban police is that she wasn`t swept out to sea.

otto
08-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Here's one of the NG transcripts, to review some of the info.

I bolded the below sentence because I've been wondering about this all day.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ng.01.html

WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER

TRIPP: And that`s what I would be looking at. I would want to see, when did they leave? Did they leave together? Did he come back by himself? What exactly went on with that? It is obvious that he invited her there. And with that being the case, then he set this up.

My next question is, who else, who else is he associated with there? You know how did this trip come about? There are a lot of questions there that have not been answered, but it is obvious apparently to all of us other than the Aruban police is that she wasn`t swept out to sea.

In the linked article, it says that she was supposed to go on a cruise with him, but backed out at the last minute to go to New York with her roommate. When she told her roommate that she was going to Aruba, the roommate thought it was a great idea until she heard that Robyn was going with GVG.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-aruba-friend-suspect-harmful-aggressive-texts/story?id=14279819

concentric
08-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Here's something else that I'm wondering about. Did GVG talk to any of the women he was involved with about being a photographer? We know one interest he had (I bolded the sentence below).


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ng.01.html

ELLIE JOSTAD, EDITORIAL PRODUCER, THE NANCY GRACE SHOW: Right, Nancy. As you mentioned, he has had two different women, one and ex-girlfriend, one and ex-wife, requests what they call peace orders in Maryland, eventually a protective order. The girlfriend, and this was just filed last year, Nancy, she says that he threatened to terminate her. He also told her that the world would be a better place without her in it and that he could help with that.

But even more disturbing, Nancy, she claims in court documents that he was under investigation for multiple acts of stalking and threatening women. She claims as well that he was taking, without her knowledge, pornographic images of her and posting them online.

Silkprint
08-12-2011, 12:21 AM
I am watching DR. Drew .
The police have been called twice this year to the boyfriends home because of their fighting when 'she' is drinking
I doubt she was drinking alone so that kind of irked me but okay .
He acted like a first there was only 1 call in Feb and then when pushed he remembered the July call
Come on that was last month!
Just adding this . I hope they find her . I do wonder if her and the man arrested could have had an alcohol fueled fight and he likes to hit girls so...

gngr~snap
08-12-2011, 12:22 AM
This is a 35 year old woman with major tats, she is NOT going to fall for a line like that.
or lie and tell the boyfriend GG was gay after admitting she almost went on a cruise with him??
There is a story behind this "story"
moo

Silkprint
08-12-2011, 12:23 AM
I agree Otto
I didn't watch the show but I did read the transcripts that were so nicely posted .
She should have kept reinterating that women need to check ANYONE out before they go off on a trip with them .

gngr~snap
08-12-2011, 12:28 AM
I agree Otto
I didn't watch the show but I did read the transcripts that were so nicely posted .
She should have kept reinterating that women need to check ANYONE out before they go off on a trip with them .
:floorlaugh:
Dr Drew said to check out a new guys medicine cabinet! hmmm-:innocent:
I dunno... the boyfriend she was living with seems controlling to me.
sounds like she might have been between a rock and a hard place maybe?

otto
08-12-2011, 12:30 AM
I am watching DR. Drew .
The police have been called twice this year to the boyfriends home because of their fighting when 'she' is drinking
I doubt she was drinking alone so that kind of irked me but okay .
He acted like a first there was only 1 call in Feb and then when pushed he remembered the July call
Come on that was last month!
Just adding this . I hope they find her . I do wonder if her and the man arrested could have had an alcohol fueled fight and he likes to hit girls so...

If she had alcohol fueled disputes with her boyfriend, there's a good chance that things go south when she's drinking. I wonder if that's where the "this sucks" comment came from, and whether the text sent from her phone was actually GVG using her cell phone at 3 on the afternoon of Aug 2.

This was dated Aug 2, perhaps after he reported her missing. Is he holding a mask?

http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug02.perdi .P8020145.JPG

otto
08-12-2011, 12:33 AM
I agree Otto
I didn't watch the show but I did read the transcripts that were so nicely posted .
She should have kept reinterating that women need to check ANYONE out before they go off on a trip with them .

Robyn is a victim and she needs to be found, but NG should have taken this opportunity to discuss the dangers that were obvious in accepting a free vacation from anyone, and especially someone from an online pickup joint.

RubyRed
08-12-2011, 12:35 AM
I agree Otto
I didn't watch the show but I did read the transcripts that were so nicely posted .
She should have kept reinterating that women need to check ANYONE out before they go off on a trip with them .

Dr Drew and the Joy Behar show kept reiterating about the dangers of on line dating etc.

The BF said he knew everything about her and she knew everything about him.

The guys head has been in the sand and sadly, he is going to get a rude awakening when this all unfolds.

otto
08-12-2011, 12:40 AM
Dr Drew and the Joy Behar show kept reiterating about the dangers of on line dating etc.

The BF said he knew everything about her and she knew everything about him.

The guys head has been in the sand and sadly, he is going to get a rude awakening when this all unfolds.

First he thought that she was going to Orlando to visit family, then she said the family surprised her with a trip to Aruba, she also said that GVG was her gay friend ... that's a lot of information where he was out of the loop in terms of knowing her.

otto
08-12-2011, 12:43 AM
I admire the family for not getting on TV and making a spectacle of themselves, their missing daughter and the investigation.

Linked upthread: Statement from the Family:

""We are confident and very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations," the statement read in part. "I hope you understand that we are being quiet as not to jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robin. Thank you."

AbbeyR
08-12-2011, 12:44 AM
Then the woman found out that Giordano had secretly filmed the two having sex and posted intimate images of her on the Internet, Landau said in court filings in connection with the woman’s restraining order. The woman confronted Giordano, who responded by placing indecent photos of her inside the mailboxes of about five of her neighbors, Landau said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-buzz/post/lunchline-dont-lie-to-the-census/2011/08/11/gIQAJchp8I_blog.html


MO A sick and dangerous man

Wow, that's for sure. The other stalking story in that article is telling too:

Another woman who dated Giordano, Jeanette Farago, said in an interview with The Washington Post that Giordano stalked and harassed her while they both lived in Montgomery County. At one point, Farago said, Giordano offered to take her on a two-week cruise and bought her a ticket, but she refused to go. Giordano also showed up outside her window wearing a deer mask and illuminated his face with a cigarette lighter, she said. “He was just really creepy and scary,” Farago said. “He scared the bejesus out of me.

While it's unfortunate that the women who could have pursued charges against this creep didn't, I don't blame them. He sounds like an extremely manipulative and scary person, and that when these women realized this, attempts to confront or reject him were met with escalated intimidation and threatening behavior. I'd like to think the police and justice system would offer these women protection, but if I imagine myself in their shoes (and this psycho, lurking outside my window in the dark, wearing a deer mask :shudder: ), I can also see that it may not be entirely clear what the right -- or safest -- path of action might be.

I also wonder if the same situation occurred about the trip that this second woman described - Was it planned, or did he buy the tickets and spring it on her? If she thought it was too intense or weird, would she have said no? Or might she have felt awkward or pressured into it in some way? In any case, she obviously agreed to go, but I think the element of manipulation could offer a different take on her potential motivations for going and lying about it.

otto
08-12-2011, 12:49 AM
Wow, that's for sure. The other stalking story in that article is telling too:



While it's unfortunate that the women who could have pursued charges against this creep didn't, I don't blame them. He sounds like an extremely manipulative and scary person, and that when these women realized this, attempts to confront or reject him were met with escalated intimidation and threatening behavior. I'd like to think the police and justice system would offer these women protection, but if I imagine myself in their shoes (and this psycho, lurking outside my window in the dark, wearing a deer mask :shudder: ), I can also see that it may not be entirely clear what the right -- or safest -- path of action might be.

I also wonder if the same situation occurred about the trip that this second woman described - Was it planned, or did he buy the tickets and spring it on her? If she thought it was too intense, would she have said no? Or might she have felt awkward or pressured into it? In any case, she obviously agreed to go, but I think the element of manipulation could offer a different take on her potential motivations for going and lying about it.

Her roommate knew that she was taking the trip wiith GVG and asked "why", but that didn't stop Robyn. She had time to think about it and followed through.

concentric
08-12-2011, 12:57 AM
What is the significance of using the face of a deer in a mask? Does it have any underlying symbolism?

otto
08-12-2011, 01:07 AM
GVG is not talking to police, so they are appealing to the public for any information about the couple in the two days they were together in Aruba. Three days after she disappeared, GVG tried to leave the Island, but was detained to explain discrepencies in his story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/aruban-authorities-say-giordano-no-longer-cooperating/2011/08/11/gIQAF0Lp9I_blog.html?wprss=crime-scene

gngr~snap
08-12-2011, 01:13 AM
what is the significance of using the face of a deer in a mask? Does it have any underlying symbolism?
buck -stag?
18277

THIS FREAKS ME OUT!

concentric
08-12-2011, 01:22 AM
He tried to get another woman to go on a trip with him, at least one other woman, before Robyn. And, he sent angry texts to Robyn when she wouldn't go on the cruise.
Why was he so eager to get these women away on cruises, etc.? Did he have plans for photography sessions that he could later sell online? Did he want to sell the women to some other party? What?

Plumeria5
08-12-2011, 01:29 AM
:floorlaugh:
Dr Drew said to check out a new guys medicine cabinet! hmmm-:innocent:
I dunno... the boyfriend she was living with seems controlling to me.
sounds like she might have been between a rock and a hard place maybe?

I noticed the boyfriend seem quick in his responses and seemed to have all the "right answers". Both times police were called he had the same story. That she was drunk, yelled out, police came, and then left because there was nothing wrong.

otto
08-12-2011, 01:30 AM
He tried to get another woman to go on a trip with him, at least one other woman, before Robyn. And, he sent angry texts to Robyn when she wouldn't go on the cruise.
Why was he so eager to get these women away on cruises, etc.? Did he have plans for photography sessions that he could later sell online? Did he want to sell the women to some other party? What?

Guys do it to isolate women from family, friends and self-reliance ... and to then break them down through psychological abuse and, in this case, what could be physical abuse and murder. GVG is probably a serious controller.

otto
08-12-2011, 01:32 AM
I noticed the boyfriend seem quick in his responses and seemed to have all the "right answers". Both times police were called he had the same story. That she was drunk, yelled out, police came, and then left because there was nothing wrong.

If the police were called to his place twice, and she lived with her roommate - although she spent a lot of time at his place, does that mean that he called the police on her twice?