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Salem
08-30-2011, 01:28 AM
Please continue here and remember all of SheWho's previous admonitions :)

Salem



Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap)

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/image_thumb http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/bobo_h3.jpg/image_thumb

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Oriah
08-30-2011, 09:15 AM
Thanks for the new thread, Salem.

I'm currently interested in the Carl Perkins Child Abuse Center. Does anyone know the employees?

Also, DLB is the neighbor who reported the scream, correct? As well as called KB?
TIA.

BeanE
08-30-2011, 09:53 AM
Also, DLB is the neighbor who reported the scream, correct? As well as called KB?
TIA.

Do tell about DLB. The neighbor has never been identified in the press - or anywhere else I've seen. Not even which exact house the neighbor lives in.

Where did you get those initials?

Or did I miss an article or something?

Oriah
08-30-2011, 10:09 AM
Initials are my own- trying to keep within WS's TOS.

WREG (Memphis) the Kitsap Sun, and the UW library, a couple of smartphone apps- and property records. ;)

Conjecture- but can't see it being any other neighbor?

Of course, could be completely wrong. That seems to happen a lot as of late!

ETA: Wow, that was terrible wording on my part!

I was assigning initials to a neighbor of the Bobo's who may have heard a scream, and called KB.

shefner
08-30-2011, 12:22 PM
To call KB at work..and also 911....that neighbor had to hear one heck of a scream. I am trying to think of what I would have to hear to get me to call. Of course, we live in town so we are always hearing things...traffic, kids playing, skateboards hitting the sidewalks, the train coming through, etc....
That neighbor must have been very alarmed.

Carla Lashelle
08-30-2011, 12:30 PM
In one of the more recent accounts it was the son of a neighbor who heard the scream

http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/08/abducted-young-womans-parents-grieve-hope

"Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home."

Oriah
08-30-2011, 12:54 PM
So...was it DLB's son who called DLB from their home phone about the scream (landline)- and then DLB called KB? Or someone called DBL from a cell phone to report the scream?

Maybe DLB's son was hunting that morning, and closer to the Bobo's home than DLB? Confused as to who called whom on a landline vs a cell.

wishuwerehere
08-30-2011, 01:53 PM
Has anyone worked up a complete profile of the perp in this case? If so, please share. I have been creating a profile, but it is a work in progress. I would really like to compare notes.

shefner
08-30-2011, 02:37 PM
Has anyone worked up a complete profile of the perp in this case? If so, please share. I have been creating a profile, but it is a work in progress. I would really like to compare notes.

No complete profiles....only amateur guesses, mine included.

R.U.Kidding!
08-30-2011, 03:02 PM
Still wondering if anyone knows if Holly's keys have been accounted for??
When and where were they found?

Why a search was not done immediately upon LE arriving?
Why there were no road blocks in place immediately after abduction?
Why does it seem LE is very protective of anyone involved in this case--as if they would be in danger from the perp....again it is like they know who is involved and no one wants to get THEM mad.IMO

Ya know, like every town has that one "crazy family" no one wants to mess with......cause they're the ones with that house that NO-One goes near for fear of being "farm feed". Maybe I have just watched too many of the wrong kind of movies, but it seems to me their is genuine fear involved in this one.
Only my opinion.

wishuwerehere
08-30-2011, 03:11 PM
No complete profiles....only amateur guesses, mine included.

IMO most profiles are educated guesses. I was just wondering if anyone here on WS has done a complete workup (profile) on the perp, and if they would be willing to share it, so I could compare it to my own work in progress profile.

For instance: I believe the perp is 30-35 year old male. He is not married. Mother is deceased. May work for his family's business, etc.

JMO

Just wanted to bounce around some ideas.

shefner
08-30-2011, 05:30 PM
IMO most profiles are educated guesses. I was just wondering if anyone here on WS has done a complete workup (profile) on the perp, and if they would be willing to share it, so I could compare it to my own work in progress profile.

For instance: I believe the perp is 30-35 year old male. He is not married. Mother is deceased. May work for his family's business, etc.

JMO

Just wanted to bounce around some ideas.

Yes, in one of the earlier threads, some of us gave our ideas about the unsub. I said I thought it was a 19-28 year old male. I felt he had previous bumps with the law but nothing serious. He is a local who is a hunter. He feels superior and entitled. He has an abundance of "love" and protection from his family. He may have been rejected by Holly, or perceived her as being dismissive of him. He probably has a girlfriend. At one time, I thought he may have been helped by a friend...or perhaps two. But as more time passes, I think that is less likely. If it were so, I think one of them may have confided in someone outside the circle by now. I think Holly's family may have an idea who did this. I think the unsub's family may have an idea, as well.

wishuwerehere
08-30-2011, 06:01 PM
Yes, in one of the earlier threads, some of us gave our ideas about the unsub. I said I thought it was a 19-28 year old male. I felt he had previous bumps with the law but nothing serious. He is a local who is a hunter. He feels superior and entitled. He has an abundance of "love" and protection from his family. He may have been rejected by Holly, or perceived her as being dismissive of him. He probably has a girlfriend. At one time, I thought he may have been helped by a friend...or perhaps two. But as more time passes, I think that is less likely. If it were so, I think one of them may have confided in someone outside the circle by now. I think Holly's family may have an idea who did this. I think the unsub's family may have an idea, as well.

BBM
I agree that he has ties to Parsons and is a hunter.
I agree that he feels entitled.

Also, I believe that he may have friends in LE, and they could play paintball together, or something like that.

I also belive that the date on which he abducted Holly is significant to him, i.e. whatever place he took her was available to him because others were away, out of town, etc.

JeannieC
08-30-2011, 06:52 PM
BBM
I agree that he has ties to Parsons and is a hunter.
I agree that he feels entitled.

Also, I believe that he may have friends in LE, and they could play paintball together, or something like that.

I also belive that the date on which he abducted Holly is significant to him, i.e. whatever place he took her was available to him because others were away, out of town, etc.

Are you speaking hypothetically or do you have an idea who this person might be? Are you a local? Why would you think he plays paintball with members of LE?

Carla Lashelle
08-30-2011, 08:23 PM
I can imagine someone sort of like Leopold and Loeb who, after they killed their victim, participated in the police investigation. They planned to commit the perfect murder and wanted to watch in person how they could outsmart the police. Fortunately (or unfortunately for L and L) one of them dropped their glasses at the crime scene and they were caught.

AmandaReckonwith
08-30-2011, 08:26 PM
Case archive:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/

wfgodot
08-30-2011, 08:27 PM
I can imagine someone sort of like Leopold and Loeb who, after they killed their victim, participated in the police investigation. They planned to commit the perfect murder and wanted to watch in person how they could outsmart the police. Fortunately (or unfortunately for L and L) one of them dropped their glasses at the crime scene and they were caught.
Plus, I can't imagine Leopold or Loeb in full turkey-hunting camo. Just doesn't work.

~n/t~
08-30-2011, 10:09 PM
What was everyone's reaction to the release of Holly's photo without makeup?

I'm somewhat confused as to what the purpose was. I did not see a significant change in her appearance except for her hair being up versus down. I understand the truck campaign and thought it was an excellent idea but why a photo of her without makeup for truckers? Why didn't they include the photo on her flyer? Thoughts?

http://www.lifeasatrucker.com/images/campaign-for-truckers-to-help-bring-missing-holly-bobo-home-21531593.jpg

No make up

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/8d/5c/8d5c503eb55995e078510c2e6b6e3f2c.JPG

Plumeria5
08-30-2011, 11:30 PM
I have been reading different message boards, a few that say they are from Parsons or a neighboring town. Some say they knew some of the people whose names are being tossed around as POIs. These are very small towns, tight-knit communities. What really bothers me is that even these residents don't seem to be able to put anything in perceptive other than bashing each other. Surely someone, more likely more than one person, knows who had a grudge or motive to take Holly. Why aren't they coming forward? What or who are they afraid of?? Retaliation...or are they being paid to keep quiet? There is a large reward that hasn't been claimed.

cluciano63
08-30-2011, 11:43 PM
The longer it goes, the more inclined I am to think this was done by a non-local...some ex-con or transient passing through, saw Holly, followed her home, stayed in woods, waited for his opportunity and took it. The blood, however small, may mean he did enough to scare her into accompanying him. It does seem they should have been able to get through the locals by now.

JeannieC
08-30-2011, 11:44 PM
What was everyone's reaction to the release of Holly's photo without makeup?

I'm somewhat confused as to what the purpose was. I did not see a significant change in her appearance except for her hair being up versus down. I understand the truck campaign and thought it was an excellent idea but why a photo of her without makeup for truckers? Why didn't they include the photo on her flyer? Thoughts?

http://www.lifeasatrucker.com/images/campaign-for-truckers-to-help-bring-missing-holly-bobo-home-21531593.jpg

No make up

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/8d/5c/8d5c503eb55995e078510c2e6b6e3f2c.JPG

I think they did that thinking if the kidnapper was traveling with her he might not let her put makeup on and she does look younger without the makeup so might try to pass her off as his daughter. (If he is older).

JeannieC
08-30-2011, 11:58 PM
I have been reading different message boards, a few that say they are from Parsons or a neighboring town. Some say they knew some of the people whose names are being tossed around as POIs. These are very small towns, tight-knit communities. What really bothers me is that even these residents don't seem to be able to put anything in perceptive other than bashing each other. Surely someone, more likely more than one person, knows who had a grudge or motive to take Holly. Why aren't they coming forward? What or who are they afraid of?? Retaliation...or are they being paid to keep quiet? There is a large reward that hasn't been claimed.

People might be calling in tips. We don't know one way or another. Offering a reward doesn't help if no one knows anything. That could be the case.

Take a look at the Celina Cass case on Ws. Less than 1,000 people in the town and all have been interviewed and no leads. They found her body and don't even know for sure it was murder....just "suspicious". Lots of POI's and nothing coming from LE.
(Still waiting Tox reports)

I doubt that anyone is being paid to keep quiet. This is a well planned abduction and would have been perfect with no clues if CB had not been home and if Holly had not screamed. Imo it was one person who stalked and abducted Holly. No conspiracy, no town people involved. If the family seems guarded and nervous its because they are scared to death. Wouldn't we be?

She would have vanished without a single trace except her car being left at home.

jmo

TxLady2
08-31-2011, 08:08 AM
What was everyone's reaction to the release of Holly's photo without makeup?

I'm somewhat confused as to what the purpose was. I did not see a significant change in her appearance except for her hair being up versus down. I understand the truck campaign and thought it was an excellent idea but why a photo of her without makeup for truckers? Why didn't they include the photo on her flyer? Thoughts?

http://www.lifeasatrucker.com/images/campaign-for-truckers-to-help-bring-missing-holly-bobo-home-21531593.jpg

No make up

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/8d/5c/8d5c503eb55995e078510c2e6b6e3f2c.JPG

If the pic at the bottom is the one you are referring to, she does have makeup on. You can see the dark eyeliner around her eyes, especially the lower lids. Looks like she may have some mascara on as well.

R.U.Kidding!
08-31-2011, 08:39 AM
I think they did that thinking if the kidnapper was traveling with her he might not let her put makeup on and she does look younger without the makeup so might try to pass her off as his daughter. (If he is older).

I think there is also a very big "truck stop" off I-40 near her home. Didn't they also find some evidence in and around that "Stop"?:waitasec:

Carla Lashelle
08-31-2011, 08:51 AM
I have been reading different message boards, a few that say they are from Parsons or a neighboring town. Some say they knew some of the people whose names are being tossed around as POIs. These are very small towns, tight-knit communities. What really bothers me is that even these residents don't seem to be able to put anything in perceptive other than bashing each other. Surely someone, more likely more than one person, knows who had a grudge or motive to take Holly. Why aren't they coming forward? What or who are they afraid of?? Retaliation...or are they being paid to keep quiet? There is a large reward that hasn't been claimed.

If you add up all the posters claiming to be locals on those boards you get the population of Manhattan. And, all they do is bash each other whether or not they are talking about crime or sports.

Oriah
08-31-2011, 09:03 AM
I think there is also a very big "truck stop" off I-40 near her home. Didn't they also find some evidence in and around that "Stop"?:waitasec:

Exit 126 off 40 does have a truck stop. Continue further down rt 69 and 412.
I think this is a (reverse) plausible direction of travel.

OldSteve
08-31-2011, 12:10 PM
Easter, Memorial Day, 4th-of July, and now in few days Labor Day..... so sad, so sad!

Dogface
08-31-2011, 12:40 PM
Easter, Memorial Day, 4th-of July, and now in few days Labor Day..... so sad, so sad!

Yes and I was SO certain they would find her, or solve the case, within a few weeks...but now I hope its within months, or the year. OT, but that is the thing I like about the missing forum discussion, as opposed to crimes in the news and other sections on the board, because, no matter how much time passes, you can still remain hopeful for a positive outcome! Especially after Jaycee and Emily....and while I know those cases are few and far between, its still enough to remain hopeful!

~n/t~
08-31-2011, 01:01 PM
If the pic at the bottom is the one you are referring to, she does have makeup on. You can see the dark eyeliner around her eyes, especially the lower lids. Looks like she may have some mascara on as well.

I agree and it had me :waitasec: when it was released to show Holly without makeup according to her family

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 01:24 PM
I have been reading different message boards, a few that say they are from Parsons or a neighboring town. Some say they knew some of the people whose names are being tossed around as POIs. These are very small towns, tight-knit communities. What really bothers me is that even these residents don't seem to be able to put anything in perceptive other than bashing each other. Surely someone, more likely more than one person, knows who had a grudge or motive to take Holly. Why aren't they coming forward? What or who are they afraid of?? Retaliation...or are they being paid to keep quiet? There is a large reward that hasn't been claimed.

I think that rewared is still there because there is no info and im sure its not from lack of trying That is alot of money for many in that little town.

I also think they would rather put the blame on anyone but someone in the family!
No one wants to think a family member could be responsible for this crime
but its very possible we see it all the time. Esp witht he lack of any info comming out at all.... The silence says alot! JMO

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 01:26 PM
I agree and it had me :waitasec: when it was released to show Holly without makeup according to her family

I agree i didnt understand putting that pic on trucks and i was baffled by the paragliders. I thought they would organize searches or something like that.

Searchers on foot!

Prancy
08-31-2011, 01:47 PM
Please instruct me if this has been answered before, but have they released where Holly's cell phone was discovered and from which locations she had made calls to and from during the days just before her abduction. It seems as if Holly's mother said on JLV that LE had not disclosed that information to them, but that has been some time ago. Any recent word?

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 01:50 PM
Please instruct me if this has been answered before, but have they released where Holly's cell phone was discovered and from which locations she had made calls to and from during the days just before her abduction. It seems as if Holly's mother said on JLV that LE had not disclosed that information to them, but that has been some time ago. Any recent word?

No one has ever admitted that the phone was found at all...and her parents said (on JVM) that they do not know for sure if her phone was found, much less where.

Plumeria5
08-31-2011, 02:14 PM
No one has ever admitted that the phone was found at all...and her parents said (on JVM) that they do not know for sure if her phone was found, much less where.

As curious as we are about what they found, it would be maddening as parents not to be given that information. I know in the past LE says they can't release information that is pertinent to the case as it might interfere with the investigation but it seems the parents are entitled unless LE has a reason for not wanting the family to know.

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 02:18 PM
As curious as we are about what they found, it would be maddening as parents not to be given that information. I know in the past LE says they can't release information that is pertinent to the case as it might interfere with the investigation but it seems the parents are entitled unless LE has a reason for not wanting the family to know.

I can't think of a reason why the parents could not know, and even say, a simple thing such as yes, her phone was found. Period. Not that they need to know, perhaps, what was on it, or where it was found.

But them not even being able to learn such a basic fact is one of the things that makes me feel LE has not been able to get past the immediate family and consider only those outside of the family as potential suspects. This may not be LE's train of thought-it could be a mere power play, I'm LE and you're not-which seems to suit the mentality of this LE, IMO...

Oriah
08-31-2011, 02:30 PM
As curious as we are about what they found, it would be maddening as parents not to be given that information. I know in the past LE says they can't release information that is pertinent to the case as it might interfere with the investigation but it seems the parents are entitled unless LE has a reason for not wanting the family to know.

I don't think we know that LE has not discussed this- and other issues surrounding Holly's abduction- with Holly's parents. :waitasec:

How do we know this as fact?

Plumeria5
08-31-2011, 02:34 PM
I don't think we know that LE has not discussed this- and other issues surrounding Holly's abduction- with Holly's parents. :waitasec:

How do we know this as fact?

So you think the family lied? Why don't they say we have been advised we can not share what information we know.

Oriah
08-31-2011, 02:35 PM
I agree i didnt understand putting that pic on trucks and i was baffled by the paragliders. I thought they would organize searches or something like that.

Searchers on foot!

Hmm.
I'm pretty certain they put Holly's info out there- both on trucks and in mailings and posters- because they think it might help in finding her.

Searches on foot have been, and continue to be, conducted.

Oriah
08-31-2011, 02:39 PM
So you think the family lied? Why don't they say we have been advised we can not share what information we know.

No, I do not think the family has lied.

I think the Bobo family is suffering horribly, and has been thrown into a nightmare that they never thought of- much less that it would exist it their world.
And I think they are trying to learn a whole new language, that they never thought they would have to speak.

Plumeria5
08-31-2011, 02:47 PM
No, I do not think the family has lied.

I think the Bobo family is suffering horribly, and has been thrown into a nightmare that they never thought of- much less that it would exist it their world.
And I think they are trying to learn a whole new language, that they never thought they would have to speak.

The family has stated that LE is not sharing about what they know and have found. You said how do we know LE is not giving them information. If this is true then rather than deny they know, it would be more truthful if the family simply said, "So as not to hinder the investigation we have been advised not to release what we know to the media."

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 02:50 PM
JMO, but I got the impression from mom, at least, that LE is not sharing anything with them, not telling them anything and has them so frsutrated that they want to reach out to the president...

To me, this does not reflect the feelings of a family working closely with LE...

Oriah
08-31-2011, 02:56 PM
The family has stated that LE is not sharing about what they know and have found. You said how do we know LE is not giving them information. If this is true then rather than deny they know, it would be more truthful if the family simply said, "So as not to hinder the investigation we have been advised not to release what we know to the media."

Respectfully- it is very difficult for families of missing persons to instinctively know what to say to media while in the midst of crisis.

That does not mean that LE has not discussed their particular case with them.

wishuwerehere
08-31-2011, 03:18 PM
Are you speaking hypothetically or do you have an idea who this person might be? Are you a local? Why would you think he plays paintball with members of LE?

No, I’m not a local.

I am working on a profile of the perp, though.

Because I believe the perp is a local and/or has ties to Parsons, the chances of him knowing someone(s) in local LE is high, IMO. The chances of him having gone to school with someone in local LE is pretty good as well. So, I have come to a conclusion that the perp has a friend or friends in local LE. Since I believe the perp is a hunter, this would indicate to me he enjoys socializing outdoors, as in playing paintball or something like that, with his friends (who could be members of local LE).

My profile of the perp is ongoing and subject to change.

MO

shefner
08-31-2011, 04:29 PM
When you're from a small town, and plan on staying in the small town, there is no amount of money that is going to cause you to give information that would jeopardize you or your family.

TxLady2
08-31-2011, 05:35 PM
LE absolutely does not have an obligation to keep the family updated on their investigation. Anything they tell them is usually for the purpose of keeping them calm and cooperative. If the family demands to know where the investigation is at any point, they may give them a few details, usually very minor, just to placate them, but for the most part, it's better for them not to know so that they won't have the problem of telling the media that they can't discuss the details publicly just yet.
Has the family been asked if Holly's phone was found, and they lied? Or have they just said they didn't know, or that they couldn't discuss it?
And why is it important to us to know if they found it? Whoever she talked to or texted with in the hours leading up to the abduction may not have any bearing on her disappearance whatsoever. In fact, there would be a pretty slim chance that she communicated with her abductor by phone just prior to her disappearance at all. Or the phone could have been destroyed making it impossible to get anything from it. Whichever, I can't see that information as benefiting anyone at this point.

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 05:40 PM
LE absolutely does not have an obligation to keep the family updated on their investigation. Anything they tell them is usually for the purpose of keeping them calm and cooperative. If the family demands to know where the investigation is at any point, they may give them a few details, usually very minor, just to placate them, but for the most part, it's better for them not to know so that they won't have the problem of telling the media that they can't discuss the details publicly just yet.
Has the family been asked if Holly's phone was found, and they lied? Or have they just said they didn't know, or that they couldn't discuss it?
And why is it important to us to know if they found it? Whoever she talked to or texted with in the hours leading up to the abduction may not have any bearing on her disappearance whatsoever. In fact, there would be a pretty slim chance that she communicated with her abductor by phone just prior to her disappearance at all. Or the phone could have been destroyed making it impossible to get anything from it. Whichever, I can't see that information as benefiting anyone at this point.

It's not important whether it was found or not, as far as me knowing. Her mom made it clear LE would not tell them, on JVM. That leads me to think LE is not sharing with the family the most basic things, that's all. I know they don't have to, but if the family is talking about presidents, etc...then clearly they are frustrated and don't feel they are getting what they need from LE.

shefner
08-31-2011, 07:10 PM
LE absolutely does not have an obligation to keep the family updated on their investigation. Anything they tell them is usually for the purpose of keeping them calm and cooperative. If the family demands to know where the investigation is at any point, they may give them a few details, usually very minor, just to placate them, but for the most part, it's better for them not to know so that they won't have the problem of telling the media that they can't discuss the details publicly just yet.
Has the family been asked if Holly's phone was found, and they lied? Or have they just said they didn't know, or that they couldn't discuss it?
And why is it important to us to know if they found it? Whoever she talked to or texted with in the hours leading up to the abduction may not have any bearing on her disappearance whatsoever. In fact, there would be a pretty slim chance that she communicated with her abductor by phone just prior to her disappearance at all. Or the phone could have been destroyed making it impossible to get anything from it. Whichever, I can't see that information as benefiting anyone at this point.

It benefits us to have as much information as possible for the sake of sleuthing. Of course, LE isn't obligated to tell the public...but I would be ballistic without knowing, if Holly was my child. My own teenage child was missing for several days about 7 years ago...and I didn't even ask for info, LE just gave it. Not only that, but I personally got the phone company to release my son's cell records (even though he had just turned 18) which I then turned over to LE...and then I proceeded to call every number on that phone record.

I realize that all cases are different.....but I can't really imagine not sharing things with the family unless there is someone within the family who is suspicious. I don't believe that is the case with Holly's family. I just can't figure out why investigators don't lay out the case to the parents.

JeannieC
08-31-2011, 07:29 PM
It benefits us to have as much information as possible for the sake of sleuthing. Of course, LE isn't obligated to tell the public...but I would be ballistic without knowing, if Holly was my child. My own teenage child was missing for several days about 7 years ago...and I didn't even ask for info, LE just gave it. Not only that, but I personally got the phone company to release my son's cell records (even though he had just turned 18) which I then turned over to LE...and then I proceeded to call every number on that phone record.

I realize that all cases are different.....but I can't really imagine not sharing things with the family unless there is someone within the family who is suspicious. I don't believe that is the case with Holly's family. I just can't figure out why investigators don't lay out the case to the parents.

If they tell the parents and the parents tell their family, son, sisters, brothers, parents, confides in their best friend, and each of them tells their family and one person, and so on and so forth then you have everyone knowing what no one really needs to know.

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 07:31 PM
If they tell the parents and the parents tell their family, son, sisters, brothers, parents, confides in their best friend, and each of them tells their family and one person, and so on and so forth then you have everyone knowing what no one really needs to know.

That's all well and good, assuming LE knows anything, but maybe it would lead to a break...

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 07:35 PM
Hmm.N
I'm pretty certain they put Holly's info out there- both on trucks and in mailings and posters- because they think it might help in finding her.

Searches on foot have been, and continue to be, conductedationl .

Thats not what i meant!
I think going on national TV would have helped more then putting her pic on Trucks! They were not talking to the media when they did this...
Get her face on TV ... We never see her on TV Why? National TV covers more
areas then Trucks! Just a thought!

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 07:40 PM
When you're from a small town, and plan on staying in the small town, there is no amount of money that is going to cause you to give information that would jeopardize you or your family.


Im sorry i dont believe that!
PPL that dont have money will talk. 80 grand is alot of money.
It is also anon. So whats to stop anyonne?

I just think No one in that town knows anything!

JeannieC
08-31-2011, 07:41 PM
Thats not what i meant!
I think going on national TV would have helped more then putting her pic on Trucks! They were not talking to the media when they did this...
Get her face on TV ... We never see her on TV Why? National TV covers more
areas then Trucks! Just a thought!

What's wrong with both?

JeannieC
08-31-2011, 07:43 PM
That's all well and good, assuming LE knows anything, but maybe it would lead to a break...

I agree some information could lead to a break and some could compromise the case. That is assuming LE has any information past what we already know.............

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 07:46 PM
What's wrong with both?

Nothing really I just thought television would be more usefull.

You never see Hollys photo on Television!

Why wont Nancy Grace touch this?

shefner
08-31-2011, 07:50 PM
Im sorry i dont believe that!
PPL that dont have money will talk. 80 grand is alot of money.
It is also anon. So whats to stop anyonne?

I just think No one in that town knows anything!

I wouldn't have believed it either...until I moved to a small town.

JeannieC
08-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Nothing really I just thought television would be more usefull.

You never see Hollys photo on Television!

Why wont Nancy Grace touch this?

I know what you mean. Media only shows the latest news then forgets it or picks one case and tells the same story for months. No real investigative reporting. Get it off the wires and rerun it forever.

Anyone but Nancy Grace imo! (However if it gets Holly's face out there she'll do) :loser:

tfrohning
08-31-2011, 07:54 PM
In one of the more recent accounts it was the son of a neighbor who heard the scream

http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/08/abducted-young-womans-parents-grieve-hope

"Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home."

neighbor son...that first I heard it was the son:waitasec:

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 07:59 PM
I wouldn't have believed it either...until I moved to a small town.

I came from a small town and i do not see why someone wouldnt go for the reward if they had info! Nothing wrong with that esp if it was anon no one would be the wiser. And as you read about the ppl in the town they are not all buddy buddy!

Eileen730
08-31-2011, 08:03 PM
I know what you mean. Media only shows the latest news then forgets it or picks one case and tells the same story for months. No real investigative reporting. Get it off the wires and rerun it forever.

Anyone but Nancy Grace imo! (However if it gets Holly's face out there she'll do) :loser:

Well i am not a big fan of NG but i will say she does make you very aware of missing persons!

but NG would make minced meat out of the family if they went on her show!
JMO

cluciano63
08-31-2011, 08:07 PM
NG will only deal with an "old" case like this one if there is some juicy new news...she does not beat the drum for those who just remain missing, sadly...she only gave Kyron as much time as she did last year because of TH's sexting...
JMO

Carla Lashelle
09-01-2011, 08:59 AM
Holly's case was on Nancy Grace and the JVM show both

Holly has also been featured on Fox news channel quite a bit, albeit less so in recent weeks. I saw her on there not long ago though.

After a point its hard to do news shows with no new information after 5 months.

New Holly event in Darden

http://www.wkrn.com/story/15372526/annual-darden-day-to-honor-holly-bobo

mountainguy777
09-01-2011, 10:52 AM
LE would be less likely to share info with the family if it hasn't ruled out all of its members. Just saying...

NCSleuth
09-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Its time the LE come forward and admit they have failed this family. I am not trying to bash them, I have all the respect for LE, but everyone needs to know when to ask for help.

There needs to be a resolution to this case. LE needs to come forward with all the information they have and ask for help. Swallow your pride and do the right thing for this family.

Its time to stop worrying about leaking info that might compromise a conviction. You don't have to worry about a conviction if you can't solve the case.

I came for a very small town (1 stop light) from the south. Trust me, $80K is enough to get people talking. I don't believe its a connected family or anything like that. Sure, there are always 'big wigs' in a small town, but trust me there are plenty people that would spill their juts for 80K, if they knew anything. We had the rich families in our town, we also had plenty of people that would have loved to bring down the rich families. The 80K is still out there because LE is lost.

cluciano63
09-01-2011, 12:07 PM
Its time the LE come forward and admit they have failed this family. I am not trying to bash them, I have all the respect for LE, but everyone needs to know when to ask for help.

There needs to be a resolution to this case. LE needs to come forward with all the information they have and ask for help. Swallow your pride and do the right thing for this family.

Its time to stop worrying about leaking info that might compromise a conviction. You don't have to worry about a conviction if you can't solve the case.

I came for a very small town (1 stop light) from the south. Trust me, $80K is enough to get people talking. I don't believe its a connected family or anything like that. Sure, there are always 'big wigs' in a small town, but trust me there are plenty people that would spill their juts for 80K, if they knew anything. We had the rich families in our town, we also had plenty of people that would have loved to bring down the rich families. The 80K is still out there because LE is lost.

I agree 100% that it is time for LE to step up and ask for help. I just don't think the help is out there...I really think someone just swooped in and took her, local or otherwise, and that no one else knows. I think LE probably has investigated all the possibilities and come up empty. I have a really hopeless feeling in this case. Maybe Holly will be found one day, maybe not. And even then, I doubt we will ever know what happened. I know I am super-pessimistic here, but just my own feelings.

wishuwerehere
09-01-2011, 01:28 PM
IMO – just because LE has not released any pertinent info to the family or media, does not mean they don’t have a good idea who took Holly. It could simply mean they believe Person X abducted Holly but cannot prove it, i.e. lack of evidence. There’s got to be more to convict than just gut instinct, even though that gut instinct may be right every time.

Or…. This Person X could be protected by the right connections. And I don’t mean someone else knows the perp committed the crime, but someone could be providing him with an alibi because they believe Person X could never do something like this, so why involve him unnecessarily.

shefner
09-01-2011, 07:10 PM
Holly, I think about you every day. I never knew you...but I miss you.

Carla Lashelle
09-01-2011, 07:55 PM
IMO – just because LE has not released any pertinent info to the family or media, does not mean they don’t have a good idea who took Holly. It could simply mean they believe Person X abducted Holly but cannot prove it, i.e. lack of evidence. There’s got to be more to convict than just gut instinct, even though that gut instinct may be right every time.

Or…. This Person X could be protected by the right connections. And I don’t mean someone else knows the perp committed the crime, but someone could be providing him with an alibi because they believe Person X could never do something like this, so why involve him unnecessarily.

The thing is that in other cases I have seen LE state they think someone may have knowledge about whatever... and try to put some pubclic heat on that person. For example Misty Crosslin... but in this case LE has not indicated anyone is even a POI (fancy new PC name for suspect). IMHO they are clueless. Remember they said they were one puzzle piece away from solving this? And that was what, 3 months ago?

cluciano63
09-01-2011, 08:21 PM
Clint said he spends his days driving from town to town posting flyers, etc...I can't see this being the focus of his time if they have a local suspect but just not enough evidence...JMO

I don't think there is a specific POI.

wishuwerehere
09-01-2011, 10:57 PM
The thing is that in other cases I have seen LE state they think someone may have knowledge about whatever... and try to put some pubclic heat on that person. For example Misty Crosslin... but in this case LE has not indicated anyone is even a POI (fancy new PC name for suspect). IMHO they are clueless. Remember they said they were one puzzle piece away from solving this? And that was what, 3 months ago?

I do not believe LE is clueless.

I believe they have accumulated clues in this case. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have stated, “We believe this person is a local.” Or, “We’re just one puzzle piece away from solving the case.”

They have a lot more information about this case than we do. They have the complete eyewitness testimony of Clint; timeline of calls, 911 calls, and Holly’s phone records (maybe even her phone).

My question is what is this one “puzzle piece” and why are they waiting on it, why not just go and get it?

It almost seems as though they’re just sitting on the information they do have. I believe they did have a POI (they just didn’t name him publicly), but something has changed. This POI may have shored up a tight alibi.

What would be the advantage to LE to not name their POI publicly? I mean, if LE was confident enough to state they were close to solving the case, why not name the suspect?

JMO

JeannieC
09-02-2011, 12:32 AM
I do not believe LE is clueless.

I believe they have accumulated clues in this case. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have stated, “We believe this person is a local.” Or, “We’re just one puzzle piece away from solving the case.”

They have a lot more information about this case than we do. They have the complete eyewitness testimony of Clint; timeline of calls, 911 calls, and Holly’s phone records (maybe even her phone).

My question is what is this one “puzzle piece” and why are they waiting on it, why not just go and get it?

It almost seems as though they’re just sitting on the information they do have. I believe they did have a POI (they just didn’t name him publicly), but something has changed. This POI may have shored up a tight alibi.

What would be the advantage to LE to not name their POI publicly? I mean, if LE was confident enough to state they were close to solving the case, why not name the suspect?

JMO

That is a good question. Would they be missing the "motive" or could it be someone they are unable to question for some reason or another. Would they withhold the name if this person could disappear easily?

As far as I remember the only people mentioned were family, bf, the neighbor's son and a neighbor.

sumzero
09-02-2011, 12:37 AM
I wouldn't read too much into the "missing piece." I took it to be a LE tactic to encourage people to come forward with information. Like: "If you've got a piece of info, let us know. It might be the lead that enables us to solve this crime." I could be wrong, but I really don't think they're close to solving it. Just the opposite: they're stumped.

JeannieC
09-02-2011, 01:07 AM
I wouldn't read too much into the "missing piece." I took it to be a LE tactic to encourage people to come forward with information. Like: "If you've got a piece of info, let us know. It might be the lead that enables us to solve this crime." I could be wrong, but I really don't think they're close to solving it. Just the opposite: they're stumped.

I think they are too. This person had it well planned, had an escape route, and knew the area. She might be somewhere in that forest and she might still be alive. I think she is........maybe because I hope she is.

How many abductors go after someone in broad daylight in full costume as in this case? I wonder if his camo looked new, used, or well used and faded. I know it sounds crazy but I believe she is hidden in plan site (not literally) in those woods. He could have been watching her for months and I believe he was.

Poor Holly.

MLE
09-02-2011, 08:08 AM
I believe if LE had an idea who the perp was, the case would've already been solved. Since Clint didn't recognize the perp and the description is very generic for rural Tennessee, the clue doesn't really narrow it down much. I guess they've mainly just gone through every local's work schedule and have probably narrowed it down to a few hundred guys who weren't at work that morning at that time.

I'm guessing the main thing that makes LE believe it's a local is how they found some of her stuff days after she was abuducted and believe the perp was in town at least that long, rather than being a transient.

From having management experience in trucking, one thing that makes me think it's less likely that it was a trucker is that it happened on a Wednesday. Most truckers have loads on weekdays, especially Wednesday, and need to be either driving or sleeping. If she had gone missing between Friday night and Monday morning, I would be more inclined to think it's more possible that a trucker had a layover and too much time on his hands. I'm not saying the trucking angle isn't possible. Nothing should be ruled out. I'm just saying a renegade trucker would be considerably more dangerous on weekends rather than Wednesday due to having time to waste because of a lack of pickups and deliveries on the weekend.

Carla Lashelle
09-02-2011, 09:39 AM
The thing with a trucker is does the trucker tow an ATV or pickup or jeep around with his big rig? A trucker would have a hard time finding Holly by random, and not have the time to case her school and house, figure out who was at home and not home, etc. If he had his semi parked at a truck stop by the interestate how would he get to Holly's isolated house?

I would think killers who were truckers, travelling salesmen, etc would tend to chose victims closer to the truck stop and perhaps somewhat easier to abduct and dispose of (lot lizards for example).

RubyRed
09-02-2011, 11:54 AM
I believe if LE had an idea who the perp was, the case would've already been solved. Since Clint didn't recognize the perp and the description is very generic for rural Tennessee, the clue doesn't really narrow it down much. I guess they've mainly just gone through every local's work schedule and have probably narrowed it down to a few hundred guys who weren't at work that morning at that time.

I'm guessing the main thing that makes LE believe it's a local is how they found some of her stuff days after she was abuducted and believe the perp was in town at least that long, rather than being a transient.

From having management experience in trucking, one thing that makes me think it's less likely that it was a trucker is that it happened on a Wednesday. Most truckers have loads on weekdays, especially Wednesday, and need to be either driving or sleeping. If she had gone missing between Friday night and Monday morning, I would be more inclined to think it's more possible that a trucker had a layover and too much time on his hands. I'm not saying the trucking angle isn't possible. Nothing should be ruled out. I'm just saying a renegade trucker would be considerably more dangerous on weekends rather than Wednesday due to having time to waste because of a lack of pickups and deliveries on the weekend.


bbm

As an OTR truck driver I just wanted to clarify a few things. Things have changed in the trucking industry. If the truck has electronic logs, you must do a mandatory 10 hr. break everyday, and during this break if the truck moves at all the company is notified. We also have the 34hr restart to get back our 70 hrs of driving, but yet again the truck cannot move during this time. It really is just random when this happens, a lot of variables are involved.

There are many who have their own authority, and if this is the case they can move their truck anytime they want as they do not have electronic logs.

Trucking is 24/7, it really depends if you sit on a weekday vs. a weekend depending on the freight in the area and the company you drive for.



The thing with a trucker is does the trucker tow an ATV or pickup or jeep around with his big rig? A trucker would have a hard time finding Holly by random, and not have the time to case her school and house, figure out who was at home and not home, etc. If he had his semi parked at a truck stop by the interestate how would he get to Holly's isolated house?

I would think killers who were truckers, travelling salesmen, etc would tend to chose victims closer to the truck stop and perhaps somewhat easier to abduct and dispose of (lot lizards for example).

bbm

That would not be allowed. D.O.T. would have us in a heartbeat. I have seen motorcycles, bicycles and scooters strapped to the back of the rigs, gives those drivers a chance to do something while they are on their breaks.


One thing I have seen is the auto haulers have the means to move the cars they are hauling and the odd time I have witnessed them removing a car and driving it somewhere.

I haven't followed this case as closely as others so don't know if a trucker is or isn't involved, just wanted to share this.

Carla Lashelle
09-02-2011, 01:25 PM
bbm

That would not be allowed. D.O.T. would have us in a heartbeat. I have seen motorcycles, bicycles and scooters strapped to the back of the rigs, gives those drivers a chance to do something while they are on their breaks.


One thing I have seen is the auto haulers have the means to move the cars they are hauling and the odd time I have witnessed them removing a car and driving it somewhere.

I haven't followed this case as closely as others so don't know if a trucker is or isn't involved, just wanted to share this.

That was my point they wouldnt do it... I cant see a trucker unloading a new Accord, taking it for an off road, through the woods bud bogging ride, and then loading it back up again after he comitted the crime either.

wishuwerehere
09-02-2011, 01:40 PM
One of the reasons LE believe the perp is a local (I think the Bobo’s do too) is because of his knowledge to navigate through the woods near the Bobo property.

I don’t think the perp is a trucker trucking through town with his load or just some transient - unless he has some old ties to the community (i.e. he used to live there, has family who lives there, hunts there seasonally), which would fit him into a category of a local to some degree.

JMO

cluciano63
09-02-2011, 03:45 PM
You would not need much advance knowledge of the woods if you'd been stalking Holly or even just staked out the house for a few hours that morning, parked your vehicle, made your way through to where you could see her, and then take the same route back. Very easy, especially since no one tried to follow him, as far as I know, at least not at the moment they were walking into the woods. Could have been someone from anywhere, passing through town, became fixated, and made a plan.

TxLady2
09-03-2011, 09:20 AM
Does it sound logical that a trucker would have spotted Holly, took the time to find out where she lives, stalked and kidnapped her, did whatever he intended to do and then disposed of her body somewhere? Most truckers I know don't have the time to do all that during a break, their main concern is getting a decent meal, taking a shower, changing clothes and sleeping. Maybe picking up a lot lizard for a little horizontal recreation. And if there is a trucker who likes to rape and murder young women, he isn't going to go to that much trouble to get one, he is going to pick one up from a truck stop or a rest stop somewhere, not go tromping through the woods to one's house and risk being seen. I think the chances of it being a random trucker who is also a stalker/murderer are pretty slim.

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 10:01 AM
For this case, I'm sticking to the KISS principle. It would not surprise me in the least if the perp is someone close to the family.

I even researched Amy Patterson's ex husband who is on the run after he allegedly murdered her. Her case was featured on NG the other night and it was mentioned that he had been spotted in various States including TN. But when I factored in the timeline, it didn't add up.

CB's actions, whether we want to admit it or not, are strange. Calling mom is one that keeps bothering me and I wish there was a good explanation as to why he did it but I don't think we'll ever know the truth. IMO, there is a lot of secrecy. Someone is being protected and perhaps it is not because the person is involved but it does leave people with a lot of questions. The most obvious (and I hate sounding like a broken record) is if he admitted that he thought the persons in the garage were Holly and BF looking over a turkey, then why did he just not go out there and ask "hey what's up?"....especially now that we know he used to go four wheeling with Holly and her bf. They seemed to be a very close family but then again, we just never know what takes place behind closed doors.

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 10:03 AM
Does it sound logical that a trucker would have spotted Holly, took the time to find out where she lives, stalked and kidnapped her, did whatever he intended to do and then disposed of her body somewhere? Most truckers I know don't have the time to do all that during a break, their main concern is getting a decent meal, taking a shower, changing clothes and sleeping. Maybe picking up a lot lizard for a little horizontal recreation. And if there is a trucker who likes to rape and murder young women, he isn't going to go to that much trouble to get one, he is going to pick one up from a truck stop or a rest stop somewhere, not go tromping through the woods to one's house and risk being seen. I think the chances of it being a random trucker who is also a stalker/murderer are pretty slim.

Unless he's a local trucker? :waitasec:

OldSteve
09-03-2011, 12:43 PM
Does it sound logical that a trucker would have spotted Holly, took the time to find out where she lives, stalked and kidnapped her, did whatever he intended to do and then disposed of her body somewhere? Most truckers I know don't have the time to do all that during a break, their main concern is getting a decent meal, taking a shower, changing clothes and sleeping. Maybe picking up a lot lizard for a little horizontal recreation. And if there is a trucker who likes to rape and murder young women, he isn't going to go to that much trouble to get one, he is going to pick one up from a truck stop or a rest stop somewhere, not go tromping through the woods to one's house and risk being seen. I think the chances of it being a random trucker who is also a stalker/murderer are pretty slim.

Well stated! I agree. Now if the Bobo's lived on a major road that truck routes used, I would think differently.
My gut feeling is the perp is local and simply has been missed by LE, or has given an alibi that wasn't checked out enough.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 12:49 PM
This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

JeannieC
09-03-2011, 01:19 PM
For this case, I'm sticking to the KISS principle. It would not surprise me in the least if the perp is someone close to the family.

I even researched Amy Patterson's ex husband who is on the run after he allegedly murdered her. Her case was featured on NG the other night and it was mentioned that he had been spotted in various States including TN. But when I factored in the timeline, it didn't add up.

CB's actions, whether we want to admit it or not, are strange. Calling mom is one that keeps bothering me and I wish there was a good explanation as to why he did it but I don't think we'll ever know the truth. IMO, there is a lot of secrecy. Someone is being protected and perhaps it is not because the person is involved but it does leave people with a lot of questions. The most obvious (and I hate sounding like a broken record) is if he admitted that he thought the persons in the garage were Holly and BF looking over a turkey, then why did he just not go out there and ask "hey what's up?"....especially now that we know he used to go four wheeling with Holly and her bf. They seemed to be a very close family but then again, we just never know what takes place behind closed doors.

Could very easily be a delivery person. I wonder if their are any delivery people going around or past the Hobo home on a regular basis. Newspaper, circulars, feed stores, etc?

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 01:45 PM
This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

That's not entirely correct. He saw 2 silhouettes who he thought were Holly and her BF. AND yes original reports were that Holly's car was parked in the carport so.......again why this clouded mystery from the family? It sounds to me like it was a no brainer. At least one of the two was Holly. Furthermore, he alleges to have seen them (Holly and the alleged perp) walk towards the woods and IIRC, he was quite descriptive as to where they were headed and what he saw in the carport/garage. That's a heck of a lot of time observing and doing nothing except call mom. It would've taken him less time to put on a pair of shorts and go check it out himself.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 01:54 PM
That's not entirely correct. He saw 2 silhouettes who he thought were Holly and her BF. AND yes original reports were that Holly's car was parked in the carport so.......again why this clouded mystery from the family? It sounds to me like it was a no brainer. At least one of the two was Holly. Furthermore, he alleges to have seen them (Holly and the alleged perp) walk towards the woods and IIRC, he was quite descriptive as to where they were headed and what he saw in the carport/garage. That's a heck of a lot of time observing and doing nothing except call mom. It would've taken him less time to put on a pair of shorts and go check it out himself.

I thought CB stated that he realized it was Holly and her boyfried AFTER he spoke to his mom on the phone. I'm paraphrasing here, "Mom told me Holly should be in school; that's when I realized it was Holly in the garage."

I could be wrong. Won't be the first. :crazy:

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 01:58 PM
Could very easily be a delivery person. I wonder if their are any delivery people going around or past the Hobo home on a regular basis. Newspaper, circulars, feed stores, etc?

Ya it could be anyone. Pick your choice. Maybe even the neighbour`s son who heard the screams. I guess my point is the list could be endless but we must not ignore the facts. Time for LE to start from the beginning. They thought they had this solved. Wrong.

Releasing a photo of Holly without makeup (when we can definitely see she is wearing makeup in the photo) just won`t cut it.

Bring in TES.

R.U.Kidding!
09-03-2011, 02:01 PM
This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

wishuwerehere,

Well i guess it depends on that OLD sayin : It depends on what your definition of carport is? It also depends on which version of that morning you are working with.


I think WS has determined the "carport" is not the same as "garage". So Holly's car was parked on the carport, and Clint's car was in the garage.
Since I seem to be of the opinion Neither "account" is solid, I wouldn't know where to begin to answer that question. I will say-your question was one of the MANY I also tried to understand, thus the "giving up" of both versions. LOL! Sorry of no help, but the "why's" outweigh everything.:waitasec:

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 02:14 PM
I thought CB stated that he realized it was Holly and her boyfried AFTER he spoke to his mom on the phone. I'm paraphrasing here, "Mom told me Holly should be in school; that's when I realized it was Holly in the garage."

I could be wrong. Won't be the first. :crazy:

That`s version 726. Note in this version, KB doesn`t say who called who.

Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home.

"I think at that point I knew something was wrong because I knew Holly had a test, a big test, that day," she said. "And at the time she came and told me that, Holly should've already been gone to school."

Karen said Clint, who was at home asleep at the time, did not hear screams.

"Well, when I spoke to Clint, and he asked me did Holly not have school today because her car was still here, then I really knew something," Karen said.

He also asked his mom if Holly was going hunting with her boyfriend. Karen said no and that her daughter should have already been at school because she had a test.

Karen panicked, making two calls to the police as she made her way home and informed her husband, who also rushed home from work.

She said when her son realized what had happened, he also called the police.

http://www.therepublic.com/mobile/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, now, ok, is the garage attached to the house or is it a separate, detached garage?

C. BOBO: It`s attached to the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is attached to the house.

C. BOBO: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?

C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you thought they had done that when you initially saw them, but you hadn`t seen the blood yet?

C. BOBO: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So --

C. BOBO: Didn`t see it until later.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. All right. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations said something very interesting. They say the person responsible for her disappearance lives in the area. They believe this person lives in the community, and it`s a very small community, only 2,500 people. Listen to this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

Bolded by me.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 02:15 PM
So if CB could see Holly's car in the carport, why did he need to call his mom? :banghead: With a little initiative, CB could have easily figured out who was in the garage in a matter of seconds.

Plumeria5
09-03-2011, 02:24 PM
It is 7:30 am give or take. It's light outside. Do I have this right? There is no door on the garage? Which way does the garage face? Wouldn't it be light enough in the garage to recognize his own sister??

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 02:26 PM
Interesting to note that even after he saw Holly and the perp walk into the woods, after his mom confirmed it was Holly and she should`ve been in school, he sees the blood and he still believes it was the blood from the turkey Drew had killed.

Makes no sense. See....there is something not adding up and this family is covering up. Why and who remain a big mystery.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 02:29 PM
Plumeria: I'm beginning to think the controversy does not lie with whether or not he recognized his sister, BUT who his sister was with. He named the suspect. IMO, this is the only part of Clint's testimony that has changed.

The controversy lies with the boyfriend.

JMO

Plumeria5
09-03-2011, 02:31 PM
Interesting to note that even after he saw Holly and the perp walk into the woods, after his mom confirmed it was Holly and she should`ve been in school, he sees the blood and he still believes it was the blood from the turkey Drew had killed.

Makes no sense. See....there is something not adding up and this family is covering up. Why and who remain a big mystery.

Is Holly in the habit of enjoying seeing a dead animal? I don't know if she has hunted before but if you have seen a dead turkey before is there some novelty in seeing another?? Just asking...cause I don't like hunting and she seems to like girly things, make-up, cute clothes...etc.

R.U.Kidding!
09-03-2011, 02:33 PM
Ya it could be anyone. Pick your choice. Maybe even the neighbour`s son who heard the screams. I guess my point is the list could be endless but we must not ignore the facts. Time for LE to start from the beginning. They thought they had this solved. Wrong.

Releasing a photo of Holly without makeup (when we can definitely see she is wearing makeup in the photo) just won`t cut it.

Bring in TES.

I am going to go out on a limb here. Been reading so many different theory's on this case and have come across a very interesting one. Here goes:

SOME seem to state that the flaw in this crime was "Clint being home". So the person/persons knew the family well enough to know that Clint
wasn't supposed to be home. That was confirmed by their not seeing his car in the carport--it was unseen in the garage.

Since he was home it played out very differently then the person/persons wanted, even to the point of Clint coming to the defense of his sister, leading that person/persons to use Clint's safety as a tool to make Holly compliant with demands.
So person/person's escape with Holly...and the account of what happens becomes VERY vague as to not jeopardize Holly's safety. Thus the no Road blocks, no immediate search in the woods at the time. There is a Theory that this is some screw up ( with an influential family)who is plain TROUBLE.
The rest has many variations but in this theory they did retrieve the cell phone--what was on that cell phone gave New hope to the Bobo's, but also was the reason the searches were re-directed.
Not sure where that theory stands now. They may just be trying to find where the person/persons have Holly, and still believe she is safe. All of this is why the Bobo family is in fear, and cannot say too much. The one good thing is the family does seem to being kept abreast of every aspect of the case
As I said this is one of MANY theory's. So it may be nothing more than that.


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wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 02:35 PM
It would make sense for Clint to call his mom if Holly was in the carport arguing with her boyfriend.

And it would make sense for him not getting involved.

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 02:43 PM
It would make sense for Clint to call his mom if Holly was in the carport arguing with her boyfriend.

No mention of hearing arguing. He thought they were looking at a dead turkey.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 02:47 PM
No mention of hearing arguing. He thought they were looking at a dead turkey.

No, BUT Clint did say he heard "voices" and one of them sounded "younger".

AND originally, Clint said he saw Holly walking with her boyfriend into the woods. Not until later, when his mom and others told him he was wrong, did he change the description of the perp.

I keep coming back to Clint's original statement. Call me crazy.

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 02:51 PM
I am going to go out on a limb here. Been reading so many different theory's on this case and have come across a very interesting one. Here goes:

SOME seem to state that the flaw in this crime was "Clint being home". So the person/persons knew the family well enough to know that Clint
wasn't supposed to be home. That was confirmed by their not seeing his car in the carport--it was unseen in the garage.

Since he was home it played out very differently then the person/persons wanted, even to the point of Clint coming to the defense of his sister, leading that person/persons to use Clint's safety as a tool to make Holly compliant with demands.
So person/person's escape with Holly...and the account of what happens becomes VERY vague as to not jeopardize Holly's safety. Thus the no Road blocks, no immediate search in the woods at the time. There is a Theory that this is some screw up ( with an influential family)who is plain TROUBLE.
The rest has many variations but in this theory they did retrieve the cell phone--what was on that cell phone gave New hope to the Bobo's, but also was the reason the searches were re-directed.
Not sure where that theory stands now. They may just be trying to find where the person/persons have Holly, and still believe she is safe. All of this is why the Bobo family is in fear, and cannot say too much. The one good thing is the family does seem to being kept abreast of every aspect of the case
As I said this is one of MANY theory's. So it may be nothing more than that.


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Trying to understand your theory. So are you suggesting the perp knew CB wasn`t supposed to be home but then realized he was and used that so Holly would be compliant. If that`s the case then wouldn`t the perp be a heck of a lot quicker in taking Holly into the woods to his car instead of wasting time in the carport.

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 02:56 PM
Another big mystery is the screaming heard by the neighbour`s son coming from the Bobo home. CB didn`t hear the scream but heard the dog barking inside the house and that`s what woke him.

So did the perp duct tape her mouth at some point in the carport. If so, whose voices did CB hear....

cluciano63
09-03-2011, 02:58 PM
Trying to understand your theory. So are you suggesting the perp knew CB wasn`t supposed to be home but then realized he was and used that so Holly would be compliant. If that`s the case then wouldn`t the perp be a heck of a lot quicker in taking Holly into the woods to his car instead of wasting time in the carport.

Especially since it was apparently a rather leisurely walk toward the woods, so that he did not notice anything strange about it...I am wondering if the guy ever realized Clint was even there at all...he doesn't seem to have made his presence known at all.

wishuwerehere
09-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Another big mystery is the screaming heard by the neighbour`s son coming from the Bobo home. CB didn`t hear the scream but heard the dog barking inside the house and that`s what woke him.

So did the perp duct tape her mouth at some point in the carport. If so, whose voices did CB hear....

Not trying to be argumentative, but Clint never stated whether he heard screams or not. Karen Bobo stated "Clint did not hear screams."

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Not trying to be argumentative, but Clint never stated whether he heard screams or not. Karen Bobo stated "Clint did not hear screams."

I`m guessing CB told her he didn`t when she asked him after the neighbour called. Why would KB say he didn`t if he did. :waitasec:

Plumeria5
09-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Not trying to be argumentative, but Clint never stated whether he heard screams or not. Karen Bobo stated "Clint did not hear screams."

My feelings are that the dog barked "after" it heard the scream. So, that would mean the scream was from the garage since that is where Clint saw two people when he first woke up and Clint should have heard it if it were loud enough for the neighbor to.

R.U.Kidding!
09-03-2011, 03:26 PM
Another big mystery is the screaming heard by the neighbour`s son coming from the Bobo home. CB didn`t hear the scream but heard the dog barking inside the house and that`s what woke him.

So did the perp duct tape her mouth at some point in the carport. If so, whose voices did CB hear....

Here's the thing--Clint and the families account of ALL that happened that morning has been revised as a cover for what really took place. They think that it will keep the person/persons from causing harm to Holly if they keep the spotlight off of this person/persons. Perhaps even at his instruction in order to keep Holly safe.
I know, very conspiratorial, but as I said I was "out on a limb" and it is JUST a theory

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Here's the thing--Clint and the families account of ALL that happened that morning has been revised as a cover for what really took place. They think that it will keep the person/persons from causing harm to Holly if they keep the spotlight off of this person/persons. Perhaps even at his instruction in order to keep Holly safe.
I know, very conspiratorial, but as I said I was "out on a limb" and it is JUST a theory

I understand and hope you didn`t take it the wrong way when I questioned your theory. Interestingly most theories lead back to the beginning and that`s where it all falls apart. IMO,the events from that fateful morning make no sense and if they don`t make sense, there is something more that we are not privy to whether it`s done intentionally or not. My guess, it`s being done intentionally to protect someone.

R.U.Kidding!
09-03-2011, 03:39 PM
I understand and hope you didn`t take it the wrong way when I questioned your theory. Interestingly most theories lead back to the beginning and that`s where it all falls apart. IMO,the events from that fateful morning make no sense and if they don`t make sense, there is something more that we are not privy to whether it`s done intentionally or not. My guess, it`s being done intentionally to protect someone.

Alway's agree with you n/t--something ain"t right?

Carla Lashelle
09-03-2011, 06:47 PM
It is 7:30 am give or take. It's light outside. Do I have this right? There is no door on the garage? Which way does the garage face? Wouldn't it be light enough in the garage to recognize his own sister??

From my understanding the garage is enclosed. its now more of an interior space. Cars do not park in it. Photos of the house show the garage (at the top left of the driveway) has the doors walled over and windows. Clint said he saw silhouettes in the garage. Since it was light out in the morning at that time,. I assume there was not a light on in the garage area. The cars park out behind the house, behind the garage, in a covered car port. I believe there is some sort of door to the car port from the back of the garage.

NCSleuth
09-03-2011, 08:52 PM
Did I read correctly,

CB
saw the silhouttes in the garage and did not know who either one was.
then talked to his mom,
then saw Holly and someone walking into the woods

He saw Holly after talking to his mom? After his mom told him Holly was suppose to be in school?

wfgodot
09-03-2011, 09:00 PM
Did I read correctly,

CB
saw the silhouttes in the garage and did not know who either one was.
then talked to his mom,
then saw Holly and someone walking into the woods

He saw Holly after talking to his mom? After his mom told him Holly was suppose to be in school?

Right. (Well, apparently!)


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

~n/t~
09-03-2011, 09:23 PM
Did I read correctly,

CB
saw the silhouttes in the garage and did not know who either one was.
then talked to his mom,
then saw Holly and someone walking into the woods

He saw Holly after talking to his mom? After his mom told him Holly was suppose to be in school?

He has 2 versions in the same segment.

1) VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.


2)VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.


IMO, he slipped up in the second version when he mentions he believed the blood was from the turkey when he previously said he called his mom and she confirmed Holly was supposed to be in school and apparently she had spoken to Drew that morning and it wasn't him with Holly.

cluciano63
09-03-2011, 09:39 PM
I am confused...do you folks think Drew did this?

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 12:30 AM
I do have ties to this community and I will tell you this is the MOST popular theory if not the only one it seems.






Here's the thing--Clint and the families account of ALL that happened that morning has been revised as a cover for what really took place. They think that it will keep the person/persons from causing harm to Holly if they keep the spotlight off of this person/persons. Perhaps even at his instruction in order to keep Holly safe.
I know, very conspiratorial, but as I said I was "out on a limb" and it is JUST a theory

cluciano63
09-04-2011, 12:45 AM
If everyone seems to know or think they know what happened to Holly (being kept or whatever) why are the Bobos wanting help from the president?
And why would Clint drop out of school to spend his days traveling from town to town hanging posters, etc...?

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 01:32 AM
I don't think Drew was involved at all. I do find it all very odd that they not just publically cleared Clint and Drew and then recanted but that they refuse to publically clear Drew. I know that neither were named POI's but Clint did implicate Drew and he claims to not seen the guys face so how do we know it wasn't Drew? Its a really unusual case IMO. Never seen anything quite like it. I don't know exactly what to make of it. It seems like all the locals side with Clint but some have suspicions. I am wondering myself that say the case is that Clint was threatened that the suspect would kill Holly if he tried to intervene. Wouldn't that be like a hostage situation? I can understand most of this theory as I have heard it many times now but I don't understand why this guy has not been arrested if Clint saw his face. Its been over 4 months. I do get that if they felt she was in immediate danger and the media presence possibly could make things worse they would play down the story in an attempt to handle it without drawing attention to the "real" situation. In all honesty looking at everything that has happened and been said by LE and the family I do think something of this nature is involved. LE and the family have just acted way odd and I have been shocked at how conflicting and cryptic LE has been in this case. It did appear to me that the family seemed unusually nervous and almost fearful. Very hesitant but at the same time I get the feeling Karen is very angry and is literally biting her tongue. Way weird. I hear that the locals totally avoid talking about "what happened" to Holly. She is only mentioned in a "praying" way. I feel like I relate to what everyone says but when what the facts say don't agree with what I feel when I hear the family speak or read these cryptic LE statements.
Thanks for letting me vent.



I am confused...do you folks think Drew did this?

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 01:47 AM
I would love to hear some responses to this. Why would the family not talk for 3 months then LE stops talking all together and the family starts a media blitz???? Karen also kept pointing out that TBI weren't sharing info with them and how its a TN law. Does this mean she looked into this law? Interesting comment I think. I remember being completely shocked in regards to the president comment. Not that I wouldn't be singing the same tune if my baby was missing but more like the fact that in my opinion the LE and volunteer response is unheard of when you have a eyewitness that said she wasn't in distress when walking into the woods. I swear I read that they had hundreds of LE officers from all differe t agencies within LE. Is this weird to anyone else?






If everyone seems to know or think they know what happened to Holly (being kept or whatever) why are the Bobos wanting help from the president?
And why would Clint drop out of school to spend his days traveling from town to town hanging posters, etc...?

Plumeria5
09-04-2011, 02:51 AM
From my understanding the garage is enclosed. its now more of an interior space. Cars do not park in it. Photos of the house show the garage (at the top left of the driveway) has the doors walled over and windows. Clint said he saw silhouettes in the garage. Since it was light out in the morning at that time,. I assume there was not a light on in the garage area. The cars park out behind the house, behind the garage, in a covered car port. I believe there is some sort of door to the car port from the back of the garage.

Thanks, Carla, for trying to clear this up. I am still confused. So, Clint saw 2 people kneeling in the interior space which they call a garage and he thought they were looking at a dead turkey? Or were they in the carport by the cars?

JeannieC
09-04-2011, 02:56 AM
I would love to hear some responses to this. Why would the family not talk for 3 months then LE stops talking all together and the family starts a media blitz???? Karen also kept pointing out that TBI weren't sharing info with them and how its a TN law. Does this mean she looked into this law? Interesting comment I think. I remember being completely shocked in regards to the president comment. Not that I wouldn't be singing the same tune if my baby was missing but more like the fact that in my opinion the LE and volunteer response is unheard of when you have a eyewitness that said she wasn't in distress when walking into the woods. I swear I read that they had hundreds of LE officers from all differe t agencies within LE. Is this weird to anyone else?

Where did you read that there were hundreds of LE officers hunting for Holly? Do you have a link? Hundreds of volunteers were hunting.

A girl is missing, no one has heard from her, they don't know if she is dead or alive. Why wouldn't hundreds show up to search? Hundreds showed up to search for Katelyn Markham this week and for Brittany Drexel, Susan Powell, and many others.

The family is frustrated and afraid. They want their daughter back. When LE doesn't tell them anything and no one has come forward with information their only option is to get it in the news and keep it there. Keep Holly's name out there and put the pressure on LE to keep investigating. Don't let the case go cold. I would beg on a street corner for infomation if it were my child.

No, it isn't weird to me. Its love for their daughter and a great community that is willing to help however they can. God Bless them all!

Money Girl
09-04-2011, 03:52 AM
Has Nancy Grace questioned CB? If not, she needs to. JVM was much too wishy-washy with CB. That boy needs to be asked some direct questions until he can provide a sensible answer.

JMO, but the screams the neighbors heard could have occurred if CB was attacking HB.

JeannieC
09-04-2011, 04:23 AM
Has Nancy Grace questioned CB? If not, she needs to. JVM was much too wishy-washy with CB. That boy needs to be asked some direct questions until he can provide a sensible answer.

JMO, but the screams the neighbors heard could have occurred if CB was attacking HB.

If CB killed HB what did he do with her body? He had very little time to hide her body and be there when LE arrived. I don't believe CB did anything to Holly.

Maybe the problem isn't his answers but the interviewer not allowing him to answer totally. NG interrupts everyone. I can't see any answers coming from an interview with her. moo

Perfect example: Check out her interview on the Katelyn Markham WS site.

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 05:59 AM
This was released on April 18th, 2011


Governor Haslam Offers $50,000 Reward for Information on Holly Bobo


Released on Mon, Apr 18, 2011 - 3:30 pm under Governor Haslam



TBI and Local Law Enforcement Continue Search for West Tennessee Woman

NASHVILLE – Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the apprehension, arrest and conviction of the person or persons who are criminally responsible for the aggravated kidnapping of 20-year old Holly Bobo.

TBI, local, state and federal law enforcement agencies are actively looking for the Parsons, Tennessee woman believed to be a victim of a kidnapping on April 13, 2011.

“Holly Bobo’s family needs answers,” Haslam said. “It is my hope that this reward money would spur some leads that will bring Holly home safely.”

Bobo was last seen by a family member being led against her will behind her home on Swan Johnson Road toward a wooded area by a man wearing camouflage clothing. She is described as 5’3”, weighs 110 pounds and was wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans. She was last seen at approximately 7:40 a.m on Wednesday.

“Officers and agents have followed up on more than 250 leads, but more community information is needed to help find Holly,” Haslam said. “I also want to thank the hundreds of volunteers who continue to donate their time and energy to help find Ms. Bobo.”

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Holly Bobo is urged to call the TBI at 1-800-TBI-FIND.http://news.tn.gov/node/7029

bolding mine.



Hundreds of police and volunteers combed the woods in three Tennessee counties Sunday, searching for Holly Bobo, the 20-year-old college student abducted outside her home Wednesday.
"We got lots of volunteers and we're continuing to do searches throughout the county in other areas and looking (for) any type of leads that could help us in bringing Holly back," Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Special Agent John Mehr said.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/holly-bobo

The reward tripled by the Governor

Holly Bobo Reward Tripled by Tennessee Governor to $75,000


Same link.

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:01 AM
Another earlier article:



Country singing star Whitney Duncan, cousin of missing Tennessee woman Holly Bobo, told bloggers Tuesday to "shut up" about rumors that Bobo's brother may have been involved in the abduction.

"My cousin, Clint, Holly's brother, is not a suspect and I'm sick of people saying that he is. He has been cleared for good reason," Duncan tweeted. "Shut up."

Clint Bobo, 25, saw a man dressed in camouflage lead his sister, Holly, into the woods near the family's Parsons, Tenn., home last Wednesday. Bobo's brother wasn't worried because he thought the man was his sister's boyfriend, who is an avid hunter, police have said. Clint Bobo became alarmed, however, when he spotted blood in the driveway and called 911.

Police previously said that Clint Bobo and the missing woman's boyfriend were not suspects, but on Monday police said that no one had been ruled out in the 20-year-old woman's disappearance.
A reward of $75,000 is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of whoever kidnapped the missing nursing student.





http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/holly-bobo

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:09 AM
It doesn't sound like the family suspects Drew.


A pink teddy bear that holds the words, "Luv Ya," is on Holly's bed. It was a gift from Holly's boyfriend, Drew. Karen said the 20-year-old is doing as well as can be expected.

"I text him every night, and he texts me back," she said.


http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110821/NEWS25/108210310/Holly-Bobo-s-room-filled-reminders-missing-daughter



I still find it bizarre that they text each other every night but whatever:innocent:

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:14 AM
If CB killed HB what did he do with her body? He had very little time to hide her body and be there when LE arrived. I don't believe CB did anything to Holly.

Maybe the problem isn't his answers but the interviewer not allowing him to answer totally. NG interrupts everyone. I can't see any answers coming from an interview with her. moo

Perfect example: Check out her interview on the Katelyn Markham WS site.

If someone is telling the truth, there is no reason to fear Nancy Grace, imo. It's when things just don't add up is when she gets frustrated as most of us. I've never seen NG get nasty with parents of a missing child unless there was controversy and/or the family was caught lying. As a matter of fact, she stood by the Anthony grandparents until the end even when we all know CA lied on the stand. She said she would lie to save her child from DP too. Casey Anthony, on the otherhand, it was obvious she could not stomach tot mom.

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 07:47 AM
Dana Bobo, Holly's father, said he was not surprised by the community's actions.

"I knew what they were going to do," he said. "We are all in it for the long haul, and we are appreciative of their prayers. Also, we have not given up hope, we won't and we are still expecting to bring Holly home."

Clint Bobo, Holly's brother, said his and his family's days are still filled with searching for clues and doing everything they can to help unearth information.

"A lot of days, I put up fliers and just try to keep her information out there," he said. "I would say we are closer now than we have ever been."

Karen Bobo, Holly's mother, was also at the festival but was not available for comment Saturday afternoon.


more at the link...

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110904/NEWS25/109040327/Holly-Bobo-minds-Darden-residents-festival


bolding mine

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 07:53 AM
Holly Bobo honored at town festival

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44385944

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 07:56 AM
Where is Drew????

Carla Lashelle
09-04-2011, 08:05 AM
Is Holly in the habit of enjoying seeing a dead animal? I don't know if she has hunted before but if you have seen a dead turkey before is there some novelty in seeing another?? Just asking...cause I don't like hunting and she seems to like girly things, make-up, cute clothes...etc.

I don't hunt but I enjoy fishing and my partner and friends enjoy fishing. First thing one of us does when we get home is drag the cooler of fresh caught fish around to show them off. We love to show off the catch and they ooooh and ahhh over Grouper, Snapper, Redfish, etc.

Carla Lashelle
09-04-2011, 08:08 AM
Thanks, Carla, for trying to clear this up. I am still confused. So, Clint saw 2 people kneeling in the interior space which they call a garage and he thought they were looking at a dead turkey? Or were they in the carport by the cars?

Well the whole thing is kinda murkey. Since Clint says Garage and is clear about Garage, and the fact that he saw only silhouettes and it seems to have been dark I would say they were in the Garage. I assume there is a door at the back of the Garage leading to the Carport. Perhaps they were in that area?

Remember also Clint said he heard voices outside first. Then he saw the two people in the Garage. So, I assume at first they were outside and then moved into the Garage. Perhaps Holly was accosted by her car first and then the suspect led her into the garage area. Perhaps the dog barking and Clint looking in spooked him. During Clints interviews no one has pressed him for any kind of clarification or details.

Oriah
09-04-2011, 11:47 AM
Carla, thank you.
Note the cooler in front of the Bobo's house. As well as the jacket hung on the chair.


I don't hunt but I enjoy fishing and my partner and friends enjoy fishing. First thing one of us does when we get home is drag the cooler of fresh caught fish around to show them off. We love to show off the catch and they ooooh and ahhh over Grouper, Snapper, Redfish, etc.

MysteryAddict
09-04-2011, 01:02 PM
Where is Drew????

Doesn't it seem strange that we've never seen or heard from Drew since Holly went missing? Wouldn't the media usually interview the distraught boyfriend?
How was it that Karen spoke to him early that same morning and texts him daily?
I'd like to know when and where did Drew last see Holly.
Id like to know why he is being kept away from the public.

JeannieC
09-04-2011, 02:51 PM
Where is Drew????

I have wondered the same thing. We hear "about" him but never "see" him.

Bobbisangel
09-04-2011, 03:02 PM
Doesn't it seem strange that we've never seen or heard from Drew since Holly went missing? Wouldn't the media usually interview the distraught boyfriend?
How was it that Karen spoke to him early that same morning and texts him daily?
I'd like to know when and where did Drew last see Holly.
Id like to know why he is being kept away from the public.


I don't know what is going on with Drew, the boyfriend, but speaking as the mother of a murdered daughter...if I could have I would have avoided the press from day one. You are numb and hardly remember your name and then here comes the media asking you all kinds of questions. Someone in the family usually handles the media unless others want to be involved. Drew was a boyfriend. He spoke at first when he couldn't even think straight but might have decided that it was to hard to get in front of a camera and talk . It really isn't expected of boyfriends like it is a member of the deceased family. One of my children spoke and the other two didn't want to at all. I think it would be the same when you have a missing family member. I doubt that Drew is being kept from the public. He just may not want to talk.

cluciano63
09-04-2011, 03:02 PM
It is my feeling that initially, the Bobo family chose to trust that LE knew what they were doing and took whatever advice they may have been given to keep quiet and let LE handle things...and then after months without progress, the family chose to break their silence and vent some of their frustrations in a more public way. LE probably was over-confident in the beginning, never believing that someone could get away with such a bold abduction, with a live witness. And perhaps for a time, LE may have even doubted that this was an abduction, losing time that way (the week that passed before roadblocks, etc.)

I do not believe that the Bobos know more than are telling; if anything, their frustration shows me that they know very little and are fed up with LE.

JMO

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 03:08 PM
I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying I don't agree with the family or Karen asking the president for more resources. I am saying that it is my opinion that the law enforcement response was very strong when one takes into account what LE says Clint reported. Now if you take the first story that says she was dragged across the carport and her brother witnessed this then yes the LE response was appropriate but in Clint's own words the man was not even touching Holly much less dragging her. I definently think we are missing a big part of the story. I have included some links regarding the "hundreds" of LE officials that responded and all the agencies. I also wanted to note that this is a very small community and so are the surrounding counties. To respond with the man power and resources they did takes time to gather. Very rural.


http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=b7pjTuj0L9HLsQK_-v2hAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14664721/bobo-search-not-without-success?clienttype%3Dprintable&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHxJvK4tvgGVxvwpe_ayZeU9kx9jA
http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=28VjTqCcAaKoiQKymfnYAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_199260.asp&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CCAQFjAFOBQ&usg=AFQjCNGEEhrxuoaNcOQ2JGQRUfq4fyVxfQ

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=xsZjTvirDp_mqQOIju6IAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-month-wrap-up-investigation-remains-high-priority&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CBkQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNEmF30TAiJFddBdybi__9AwABo-2g






Where did you read that there were hundreds of LE officers hunting for Holly? Do you have a link? Hundreds of volunteers were hunting.

A girl is missing, no one has heard from her, they don't know if she is dead or alive. Why wouldn't hundreds show up to search? Hundreds showed up to search for Katelyn Markham this week and for Brittany Drexel, Susan Powell, and many others.

The family is frustrated and afraid. They want their daughter back. When LE doesn't tell them anything and no one has come forward with information their only option is to get it in the news and keep it there. Keep Holly's name out there and put the pressure on LE to keep investigating. Don't let the case go cold. I would beg on a street corner for infomation if it were my child.

No, it isn't weird to me. Its love for their daughter and a great community that is willing to help however they can. God Bless them all!

Bobbisangel
09-04-2011, 03:08 PM
Not trying to be argumentative, but Clint never stated whether he heard screams or not. Karen Bobo stated "Clint did not hear screams."


Was he able to describe the guy? Did he get a good look at him? He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I feel for the brother.

shefner
09-04-2011, 03:09 PM
I don't know what is going on with Drew, the boyfriend, but speaking as the mother of a murdered daughter...if I could have I would have avoided the press from day one. You are numb and hardly remember your name and then here comes the media asking you all kinds of questions. Someone in the family usually handles the media unless others want to be involved. Drew was a boyfriend. He spoke at first when he couldn't even think straight but might have decided that it was to hard to get in front of a camera and talk . It really isn't expected of boyfriends like it is a member of the deceased family. One of my children spoke and the other two didn't want to at all. I think it would be the same when you have a missing family member. I doubt that Drew is being kept from the public. He just may not want to talk.

Prayers going out to you...so sorry about your daughter. Thanks for being here to share your thoughts and to help others through challenging times.

Bobbisangel
09-04-2011, 03:12 PM
I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying I don't agree with the family or Karen asking the president for more resources. I am saying that it is my opinion that the law enforcement response was very strong when one takes into account what LE says Clint reported. Now if you take the first story that says she was dragged across the carport and her brother witnessed this then yes the LE response was appropriate but in Clint's own words the man was not even touching Holly much less dragging her. I definently think we are missing a big part of the story. I have included some links regarding the "hundreds" of LE officials that responded and all the agencies. I also wanted to note that this is a very small community and so are the surrounding counties. To respond with the man power and resources they did takes time to gather. Very rural.


http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=b7pjTuj0L9HLsQK_-v2hAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14664721/bobo-search-not-without-success?clienttype%3Dprintable&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHxJvK4tvgGVxvwpe_ayZeU9kx9jA
http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=28VjTqCcAaKoiQKymfnYAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_199260.asp&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CCAQFjAFOBQ&usg=AFQjCNGEEhrxuoaNcOQ2JGQRUfq4fyVxfQ

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-htc&ei=xsZjTvirDp_mqQOIju6IAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-month-wrap-up-investigation-remains-high-priority&source=android-browser-key&ved=0CBkQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNEmF30TAiJFddBdybi__9AwABo-2g


Staying on LE constantly is the key to keeping them on the ball. In my daughter's case I was later told that my stopping by the station, calling at least once a week, etc kept them looking for the killer. They just have to be reminded constantly after things settle down so that they don't let the case grow cold.

shefner
09-04-2011, 03:17 PM
Was he able to describe the guy? Did he get a good look at him? He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I feel for the brother.

Clint said it looked like Holly's boyfriend but he couldn't really tell. It was a man in full camo...and it was the start of turkey hunting season. I suppose Clint's mind automatically assumed Holly's boyfriend was there showing off his catch. Since he is also a hunter...and knew Drew well....this makes it surprising that Clint didn't peek his head out the door and say hello to them in the carport/garage area. Instead, he called his mom at her work. By the time he looked back out the window, Holly and the hunter were headed into the woods.

This part of Clint's story is very confusing. If he heard voices and saw Holly's car was still at home..and also assumed it was Holly and Drew, then why call his mom? Why not peak his head out the door and speak to them..."Hey, did you get a turkey already this morning?" But he didn't do that...he called his mom at her teaching job to ask if anyone was supposed to be at the house..and to ask if Holly was still supposed to be there. His mom said that Holly was supposed to be in school...and that the hunter was not the boyfriend...and Clint then saw Holly and hunter entering the woods. He went out to the carport/garage area. He saw blood. He says he thought it was from the turkey at first...but then realized it wasn't. What made him realize this? It is just a very convoluted story.

I have thought he might be protecting part of what he witnessed....not from LE...but from the public.

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 03:32 PM
I couldn't imagine going through what you have been through. I agree with the press, it is a double edged sword. I don't think Drew has ever spoke publically. I know his grandmother released a statement. It seems they are treating this almost like a child abduction with the LE response. I have never seen a response like this in a missing adult case were it was not reported as a forceable abduction by the eyewitness. The people turned out in the thousands to search. Holly is a very loved girl and it was very humbling to see her community respond like they did. I really have trouble thinking Holly didn't know this person and that there was not prior knowledge at least to her Mother that she was having issues with someone. I just don't see her walking willingly into the woods with a man she isn't familiar with when she was coming out to go to school and she had been up all night studying for a big test and has a boyfriend. I just find that really odd as a woman I cant think of a circumstance in which I would do that.







I don't know what is going on with Drew, the boyfriend, but speaking as the mother of a murdered daughter...if I could have I would have avoided the press from day one. You are numb and hardly remember your name and then here comes the media asking you all kinds of questions. Someone in the family usually handles the media unless others want to be involved. Drew was a boyfriend. He spoke at first when he couldn't even think straight but might have decided that it was to hard to get in front of a camera and talk . It really isn't expected of boyfriends like it is a member of the deceased family. One of my children spoke and the other two didn't want to at all. I think it would be the same when you have a missing family member. I doubt that Drew is being kept from the public. He just may not want to talk.

Plumeria5
09-04-2011, 03:59 PM
Well the whole thing is kinda murkey. Since Clint says Garage and is clear about Garage, and the fact that he saw only silhouettes and it seems to have been dark I would say they were in the Garage. I assume there is a door at the back of the Garage leading to the Carport. Perhaps they were in that area?

Remember also Clint said he heard voices outside first. Then he saw the two people in the Garage. So, I assume at first they were outside and then moved into the Garage. Perhaps Holly was accosted by her car first and then the suspect led her into the garage area. Perhaps the dog barking and Clint looking in spooked him. During Clints interviews no one has pressed him for any kind of clarification or details.

It is murkey! Ok. Let's say it was someone that Holly knew. An ex for example. The ex, being close to the family, knew Clint was not suppose to be there so Holly would be alone. So he confronted her in the carport and was taking her back into the house to assault her. The dog would know him so at first wouldn't bark until it sensed Holly was in danger. Trying to figure out how Clint's version could have worked. Still if she screamed and Clint never heard it, doesn't make sense since the neighbor's son, dog's cousin, father-in-law's girlfriend half-removed did! :woohoo:

Carla Lashelle
09-04-2011, 04:11 PM
It is murkey! Ok. Let's say it was someone that Holly knew. An ex for example. The ex, being close to the family, knew Clint was not suppose to be there so Holly would be alone. So he confronted her in the carport and was taking her back into the house to assault her. The dog would know him so at first wouldn't bark until it sensed Holly was in danger. Trying to figure out how Clint's version could have worked. Still if she screamed and Clint never heard it, doesn't make sense since the neighbor's son, dog's cousin, father-in-law's girlfriend half-removed did! :woohoo:

AFAIK there is no ex. From all accounts Holly and Drew have been together for some time. If there is an ex, he has not turned up in any legitimate source. And this mythical abusive ex would be someone the family or friends would readily point out to LE.

I can not explain why Clint did not hear the screams IF Holly screamed outside her own house. If Holly Screamed after she was lead away then I can understand that.

I would not place much value or emphasis on any actions the dog did or didn't make. No two dogs act alike. Without knowing anything about their dogs in specific, its hard to say why the dog did bark, what caused him to bark, etc. Some dogs bark at everyone. Some never bark. I have a friends dog who never makes a sound until you stand up to leave the house and he starts to bark.

Carla Lashelle
09-04-2011, 04:18 PM
Was he able to describe the guy?

Did he get a good look at him? No in clint's words just silhouettes of people in his garage he THOUGHT were Holly and Drew

He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. No just a 6' 200lb man in camo no other description, not even race

I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? Boyfriend/girlfriends would probably walk in the woods together. Especially when you live in a rural area, enjoy hunting and outdoor stuff as Holly and Drew did together. I walk in the woods with my partner.

I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I still do not understand exactly how, if Holly screamed initially outside her house how Clint did not hear it and why Holly was silent in the garage and did not seem in duress when she walked into the woods. I also do not understand if Clint were confused about who was in his garage and why, and that he just saw silhouettes of people that he did not look closer, but instead went away from the garage and called him mom to ask who was in the garage.

I feel for the brother. I don't suspect Clint of anything and think he must feel awful now. But I don't know the whole, unedited, gap-free, cleared up explaination of what happened either.




only knowing individual details about what happened, but not knowing the proper time line and sequence hurts

Plumeria5
09-04-2011, 04:31 PM
only knowing individual details about what happened, but not knowing the proper time line and sequence hurts

Exactly. If there was a definite timeline of events then the scream, calls, etc would be explained and it would be much easier to know what or who to believe or discredit.

R.U.Kidding!
09-04-2011, 04:50 PM
Doesn't it seem strange that we've never seen or heard from Drew since Holly went missing? Wouldn't the media usually interview the distraught boyfriend?
How was it that Karen spoke to him early that same morning and texts him daily?
I'd like to know when and where did Drew last see Holly.
Id like to know why he is being kept away from the public.

Perhaps Drew is not speaking, because what would he say?
Further consideration that the "witness account" is to cover what actually took place, and anything said could jeopardize Holly.
Not to mention Look what it has meant for Clint.

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 05:05 PM
Perhaps Drew is not speaking, because what would he say?
Further consideration that the "witness account" is to cover what actually took place, and anything said could jeopardize Holly.
Not to mention Look what it has meant for Clint.

Sadly, I don't think Holly is alive at this point. If there have been no ransom demands and the reward is right up there as the most I've ever seen in a missing person case, they got help from 3 different LE agencies and hundreds of volunteer searches.

Someone knows where she is. I'd like to know when Drew saw her last. Hiding behind texting mom every night won't help find Holly, imo

wfgodot
09-04-2011, 05:11 PM
If this were part of some master plan by the family and LE, Mrs Bobo would not have been on TV asking for federal help.

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 05:16 PM
If this were part of some master plan by the family and LE, Mrs Bobo would not have been on TV asking for federal help.

That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO

cluciano63
09-04-2011, 05:19 PM
That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO

I think she is very frustrated with their telling her, seemingly over and over, that they don't have to keep her informed.

wfgodot
09-04-2011, 05:20 PM
That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO
I think she wants the case transferred to the FBI as lead agency. I don't think she has any trust in Tennessee LE's ability to solve the case. As she can't even learn from them if they found her daughter's cell phone, I don't blame her.

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Well your are not alone friend.
I also think they know who is responsible but don't have enough to prosecute and secure a conviction. The culture of a small southern town is impossible to understand if you don't have knowledge of small town living outside of books and tv.
I have thought about the ransom thing a lot. I'm not convinced by any means but haven't ruled it out. I don't think LE would comment publically on a domestic ransom kidnapping, would they? The whole point is to blackmail the family or person and media attention would not be good. I am concerned that it took LE 3 days to clarify the story. Kristin Helm with TBI said the word "dragged" was "misused" but didn't know who misused it LE, or Clint.

The two accounts are drastically different.
I don't see how the accounts could be confused at all.

How can this:

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/MissingWomanFearedVictimofHomeInvasionKidnapping

Be mistaken for this:

We believe he actually had her arm, holding her. We feel she was in fear of her life, so was complying," he told a news conference. Mehr said investigators "did not see drag marks." He added she was "not forcefully dragged and she's like any other victim, maybe complying with her attacker, but she walked into the woods" outside her Pasrons, Tenn. home. Bobo's 25-year-old brother watched from inside the home, but did not believe she was being abducted until later. He saw the stranger from behind and believed it was his sister's boyfriend. Investigators initially said the woman was dragged from near the house's carport into the woods, leading many to ask why the brother had not intervened. Her brother, said Mehr, "had reasons to believe [the man] was not an attacker."

I also think the word "possibly" was strange. How does one "possibly" get abducted when someone witnesses them being drug away? Possibly is more appropriate in the second account in my opinion. The statements in this case by all involved are by far the most unclear and contradicting ones I can remember. Wasn't it concerning to anyone else that they said it was a home invasion and that her brother watched from INSIDE her beinh dragged away? I know it was to me. I was more concerned if he was tied up, hurt or being threatened then why he didn't chase after them when I heard that.















Sadly, I don't think Holly is alive at this point. If there have been no ransom demands and the reward is right up there as the most I've ever seen in a missing person case, they got help from 3 different LE agencies and hundreds of volunteer searches.

Someone knows where she is. I'd like to know when Drew saw her last. Hiding behind texting mom every night won't help find Holly, imo

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:19 PM
I think she is very frustrated with their telling her, seemingly over and over, that they don't have to keep her informed.

Perhaps it's time for the family to invest in a PI or an attorney who will get them the answers they want from LE. In this case, a pastor just won't cut it, I'm afraid. It's great that they pray for Holly everyday in the community but it won't bring her back and it certainly won't bring them any closer to finding out what happened to her. The longer they wait, the chances of evidence being lost or compromised is very high.

cluciano63
09-04-2011, 06:36 PM
Perhaps it's time for the family to invest in a PI or an attorney who will get them the answers they want from LE. In this case, a pastor just won't cut it, I'm afraid. It's great that they pray for Holly everyday in the community but it won't bring her back and it certainly won't bring them any closer to finding out what happened to her. The longer they wait, the chances of evidence being lost or compromised is very high.

Yeah, I am not a big believer in the power of prayer, no offense to anyone who is. But if it worked so well, lots of kids and adults would have been brought home safely by now...

Anyway, I think LE "changed" the wording from being "dragged" to the "being led" to protect Clint, as people were freaking out that an adult brother could watch his sister being dragged away and do nothing other than call his mother. They dance around their words, saying she was being led, she was a victim, etc...but don't seem to have anything to back that up, other than the drops (or fleck, whatever) of blood. Why not just say what he saw, no matter who looks bad? Was she dragged, was she walking and chatting with, what happened??

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:41 PM
I don't know what is going on with Drew, the boyfriend, but speaking as the mother of a murdered daughter...if I could have I would have avoided the press from day one. You are numb and hardly remember your name and then here comes the media asking you all kinds of questions. Someone in the family usually handles the media unless others want to be involved. Drew was a boyfriend. He spoke at first when he couldn't even think straight but might have decided that it was to hard to get in front of a camera and talk . It really isn't expected of boyfriends like it is a member of the deceased family. One of my children spoke and the other two didn't want to at all. I think it would be the same when you have a missing family member. I doubt that Drew is being kept from the public. He just may not want to talk.

I'm sorry for your loss and could understand wanting privacy during your time of mourning.

In this case, Holly is missing. The family still has hope she is alive. Her father still believes the entire town will celebrate when she will return to the community. Why is Drew not helping with putting up flyers or keeping her name out there? We have not seen him ever nor have we heard anything he has to say about her disappearance. He doesn't have to talk if he doesn't want to but stand by the family when balloons are released or when they did the trucker campaign. I find it very strange he has not participated in any of these events.

wishuwerehere
09-04-2011, 06:47 PM
Was he able to describe the guy? Did he get a good look at him? He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I feel for the brother.

BBM

I have compassion for Clint too.

I’ve been trying to put myself in his shoes, or see through his eyes, so to speak.

On the morning of April 13th Clint did not witness an abduction of his sister. Clint saw/heard his sister in the garage speaking with her boyfriend. After talking on the telephone with his mom, Clint saw Holly and her boyfriend walk into the woods together.

Clint has stated, “By the time I realized she was abducted, it was too late.” (I’m paraphrasing.)

It sure would help to hear those 911 calls.

IMO, after Clint witnessed Holly outside with her boyfriend and then walk into the woods together, he was then told Holly is in trouble, that’s not Drew, etc.

I can’t imagine how Clint must feel. First, he was told who he thought he saw, was not who he saw (Drew). Then, he was told what he didn’t see, is what he saw (the abduction of Holly).

JMO

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 06:50 PM
Yeah, I am not a big believer in the power of prayer, no offense to anyone who is. But if it worked so well, lots of kids and adults would have been brought home safely by now...

Anyway, I think LE "changed" the wording from being "dragged" to the "being led" to protect Clint, as people were freaking out that an adult brother could watch his sister being dragged away and do nothing other than call his mother. They dance around their words, saying she was being led, she was a victim, etc...but don't seem to have anything to back that up, other than the drops (or fleck, whatever) of blood. Why not just say what he saw, no matter who looks bad? Was she dragged, was she walking and chatting with, what happened??

It's interesting because IIRC, right after the wording was changed, LE came back to say nobody is ruled out in this case. I don't think LE changed the wording. I think CB keeps adjusting his version of what happened.

Even after his mom told him it was NOT Drew, he still thought the blood was turkey blood. It makes no sense.

SmoothOperator
09-04-2011, 07:06 PM
Happy Labor Day
WEEKEND, FeLlOw SlEuThErS!!
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/4th-july/smiley-waving-us-flag.gif :fireworks:

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 07:20 PM
Happy Labor Day
WEEKEND, FeLlOw SlEuThErS!!
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/4th-july/smiley-waving-us-flag.gif :fireworks:

It`s labour day up here also. I think this is the only holiday we share at the same time....well except for Christmas and Easter. :dance:

tfrohning
09-04-2011, 09:36 PM
It really bothering me that Whintey will be on Survivor ????? Well I hope CBS will put Holly photo up after each show.

Advocate1
09-04-2011, 10:04 PM
Well I sure am glad someone else is bothered by Whitney going on Survivor. I heard she left in May to start taping. Now don't get me wrong I think its a great oppurtunity for Whitney but I can't wrap my head around how in the world she could be in the right frame of mind to be off taping a reality show when her very "close as sisters" cousin has been kidnapped anf is actively missing. It is also my understanding that Whitney's mother Karen's sister has also not returned to work either. The families only focus is to bring Holly home.





It really bothering me that Whintey will be on Survivor ????? Well I hope CBS will put Holly photo up after each show.

liltexans
09-04-2011, 10:35 PM
It really bothering me that Whintey will be on Survivor ????? Well I hope CBS will put Holly photo up after each show.

I agree with you. When I heard that announcement, I found it distasteful personally. Whitney has every right to live her life to the fullest and do as she chooses, but I find it kind of tacky to film "Survivor" just a couple of months after Holly was abducted and in my personal opinion has almost zero chance of being a true survivor.

I wonder how much PIs cost? Anyone know? I wonder if the Bobos can afford an attorney or a PI. I feel for them. It looks to me as if LE has completely messed this case up. JMO

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 11:13 PM
Its my understanding that there IS two ex's. Holly and Drew have been together since last August and she was with a friend of Drew's actually before that and was with the supposed RO ex before him. I have not seen or heard anything that proves the RO even existed as she dated him years ago in highschool. Now IMO this is the interesting part Drew and this highschool BF worked together at the local market under Drew's dad in the meat dept. They must of somewhat gotten along.

Wow. This is all new info for me. Thanks for sharing. What is RO?

Plumeria5
09-04-2011, 11:18 PM
Wow. This is all new info for me. Thanks for sharing. What is RO?

RO Restraining Order

~n/t~
09-04-2011, 11:24 PM
I agree with you. When I heard that announcement, I found it distasteful personally. Whitney has every right to live her life to the fullest and do as she chooses, but I find it kind of tacky to film "Survivor" just a couple of months after Holly was abducted and in my personal opinion has almost zero chance of being a true survivor.

I wonder how much PIs cost? Anyone know? I wonder if the Bobos can afford an attorney or a PI. I feel for them. It looks to me as if LE has completely messed this case up. JMO

Ironically, I just finished watching 20/20 and they had a case where Ken Brennan was hired as a private investigator. All the while thinking how great it would be if the Bobos hired this guy. I have no idea how much he charges but I'm guessing it is a significant amount. He doesn't work pro bono but apparently is amazing at solving crimes. I was very impressed with his work in solving the case shown on 20/20.

If only there were more like him out there solving cold cases :sigh:

I think some attornies do work pro bono for publicity and perhaps Holly's case could qualify as high profile. IDK

Ken Brennan:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/private-investigator-ken-brennan-busted-miami-airport-hotel/story?id=13294370

http://www.olympianinvestigativeservices.com/

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 12:00 AM
Ironically, I just finished watching 20/20 and they had a case where Ken Brennan was hired as a private investigator. All the while thinking how great it would be if the Bobos hired this guy. I have no idea how much he charges but I'm guessing it is a significant amount. He doesn't work pro bono but apparently is amazing at solving crimes. I was very impressed with his work in solving the case shown on 20/20.

If only there were more like him out there solving cold cases :sigh:

I think some attornies do work pro bono for publicity and perhaps Holly's case could qualify as high profile. IDK

Ken Brennan:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/private-investigator-ken-brennan-busted-miami-airport-hotel/story?id=13294370

http://www.olympianinvestigativeservices.com/

Maybe he should take it on for a chance at the $85,000 reward...

grandmaj
09-05-2011, 11:22 AM
When did this become a rumor thread? Which by the way is strictly against all WS Policy! Use Links to support your theory. Do not bring rumors from other forums to this thread. And do not under any circumstances talk about anyone as a suspect unless it has been in MSM.

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 11:41 AM
I need clarification please. In this case it was stated that nobody has been ruled out so is discussing DS or CB being possibly involved not allowed? I noticed that on the Katelyn Markham thread posters are discussing her boyfriend's possible involvement and on the Celina Cass thread that perhaps her stepdad is involved. I'm trying to understand what is allowed and what isn't and why is it off limits on Holly Bobo thread. TIA

grandmaj
09-05-2011, 11:45 AM
ON WS we use credible main stream media as sources. We link to news sites with information which has been sourced. Bringing rumors from other forums is against TOS here.

Link to a credible source. We never name a suspect unless MSM has already done so. In our sleuthing we rely on fact not rumor. Innocent people are harmed when rumors start flying on the internet. Thanks.

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 11:45 AM
The TBI stated that as of Sunday, the agency has received over 250 leads on the missing 20-year old, last seen leaving her Parsons home with an unknown suspect Wednesday morning. A small amount of blood found outside Bobo’s home is also being tested, and nobody has been ruled out as a suspect.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/tennessee/new-direction-in-search-for-holly-bobo-mfo-20110417


Nobody ruled out in Holly Bobo investigation

Chris Wragge talks to Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation about the search for missing nursing student, Holly Bobo.


Video

http://www.tv.com/video/10534323/the-early-show-nobody-ruled-out-in-holly-bobo-investigation

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 11:55 AM
ON WS we use credible main stream media as sources. We link to news sites with information which has been sourced. Bringing rumors from other forums is against TOS here.

Link to a credible source. We never name a suspect unless MSM has already done so. In our sleuthing we rely on fact not rumor. Innocent people are harmed when rumors start flying on the internet. Thanks.

If you listen to the video I posted, TBI specifically states Clint nor Drew are ruled out as suspects when the reporter asked him the question. As a matter of fact, he says with evidence, they could very well be a subject of the investigation.

grandmaj
09-05-2011, 12:13 PM
NO one has been named a POI in this case. No one has been ruled out. That leaves many many people as possible suspects since no one has been ruled out.

This has been the opening post since day 1. These are the rules of this thread. You can discuss the players, you cannot name them as a suspect, as a POI or as possibly being involved because LE has not stated they are involved only they have not been ruled out. But MSM source to FACT regarding the players is required. NOT rumor. All of the rumors from blogs that were posted here is against our rules. Nowhere have these rumors that I read been on a credible source. Nowhere has an ex-boyfriend been named in MSM as a POI.

It was being stated here that all of these events happened. Leave the rumors out and sleuth based on fact. I know it is difficult because there is little news in this case. But the rumors are hurtful, harmful and very disturbing and we don't know who is stating these things and if they are true or false. So we cannot go there.




-RUMORS are not allowed and will be removed.

-It's fine to discuss the brother and anyone mentioned in the media and tied to this case. Its not ok to talk about him or anyone as a suspect or POI. No one has been named as such.

-If you are new to us here, please take a moment to review our Terms of Service and Rules, especially the piece regarding social networking sites (Facebook and Twitter):
Rules Etiquette & Information



Professional Posters & Verified Locals/Insiders


Holly Bobo Map
Created by Hollye Thanks!

Some blog sites are not allowed to be linked to because of so many rumors being posted on them. Please pm a Mod if its not posted below to see if they are allowed.

The following blog sites are allowed to be linked to:
Case Signal (BeanE's site)
Val - The Hinky Meter
Amandareckonwth's case archive site - Crankycrankerson
Patty G's Video Library site

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 12:23 PM
It's no wonder this case will go cold. Oh well......hope someone reads between the lines and figures this one out fast. Time is running out and no doubt evidence lost or compromised. I have my theory based on what's been released in the media. Sometimes no action speaks louder than words.

Hope you get justice, Holly. :rose:

concentric
09-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Ironically, I just finished watching 20/20 and they had a case where Ken Brennan was hired as a private investigator. All the while thinking how great it would be if the Bobos hired this guy. I have no idea how much he charges but I'm guessing it is a significant amount. He doesn't work pro bono but apparently is amazing at solving crimes. I was very impressed with his work in solving the case shown on 20/20.

If only there were more like him out there solving cold cases :sigh:

I think some attornies do work pro bono for publicity and perhaps Holly's case could qualify as high profile. IDK

Ken Brennan:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/private-investigator-ken-brennan-busted-miami-airport-hotel/story?id=13294370

http://www.olympianinvestigativeservices.com/
______________

Thank you for that. I have another story about a P.I. The case of missing Dru Sjodin was the case that was the beginning for me in researching missing persons cases. I know reading that this P.I. went the extra mile and found out some very important bits of information that lead him to that particular area.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/us/searchers-find-student-s-body-after-5-months.html

Bob Heales, a private investigator who has coordinated search efforts for the Sjodin (pronounced Sha-DEEN) family, said the body was found in a ditch near a county road northwest of Crookston.

Volunteers had been near the spot ''probably a dozen times,'' but the area had been covered with snow, Mr. Heales said.

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 01:50 PM
ON WS we use credible main stream media as sources. We link to news sites with information which has been sourced. Bringing rumors from other forums is against TOS here.

Link to a credible source. We never name a suspect unless MSM has already done so. In our sleuthing we rely on fact not rumor. Innocent people are harmed when rumors start flying on the internet. Thanks.

BBM

I'm not sure why you nixed my post. I was sluething the timeline of the call between Drew and Karen Bobo. Karen Bobo has stated she spoke to Drew the morning of the abduction. This is a fact, and I was theorizing this fact, ya know, sleuthing.

I'm confused about your reaction to my post. Especially, when I see some posts that you let remain. It's not consistent. :twocents:

No hard feelings, though. Have a nice day. :innocent:

concentric
09-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Ironically, I just finished watching 20/20 and they had a case where Ken Brennan was hired as a private investigator. All the while thinking how great it would be if the Bobos hired this guy. I have no idea how much he charges but I'm guessing it is a significant amount. He doesn't work pro bono but apparently is amazing at solving crimes. I was very impressed with his work in solving the case shown on 20/20.

If only there were more like him out there solving cold cases :sigh:

I think some attornies do work pro bono for publicity and perhaps Holly's case could qualify as high profile. IDK

Ken Brennan:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/private-investigator-ken-brennan-busted-miami-airport-hotel/story?id=13294370

http://www.olympianinvestigativeservices.com/
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Thank you so much again for that. This P.I. is amazing. I watched 3 or 4 of the videos in that series, but now I can't find the resolution to the case, on how the guy caught on video was captured. Can you supply a direct link to that segment? Thanks very much.

Upon watching how this case was solved, I again ask the question, as in the first threads: Did investigators find anything out about a suspicious person from the security cams at the school or in the clinic/hospital settings where Holly worked, that would lead them to believe someone could have seen her there and followed her home?

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Does anyone have a link where Karen B. says she spoke to Drew on the phone? As opposed to the fact that she had spoken to him, not specifying the manner?

OldSteve
09-05-2011, 03:38 PM
The TBI stated that as of Sunday, the agency has received over 250 leads on the missing 20-year old, last seen leaving her Parsons home with an unknown suspect Wednesday morning. A small amount of blood found outside Bobo’s home is also being tested, and nobody has been ruled out as a suspect.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/tennessee/new-direction-in-search-for-holly-bobo-mfo-20110417


Nobody ruled out in Holly Bobo investigation

Chris Wragge talks to Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation about the search for missing nursing student, Holly Bobo.


Video

http://www.tv.com/video/10534323/the-early-show-nobody-ruled-out-in-holly-bobo-investigation

Just pointing out what I BBM - that Sunday was Sunday April 17th... they now have
thousands of leads as per:
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15263332/benefit-for-holly-bobos-family-held-at-hardrock

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 03:51 PM
Just pointing out what I BBM - that Sunday was Sunday April 17th... they now have
thousands of leads as per:
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15263332/benefit-for-holly-bobos-family-held-at-hardrock

Yes I know. I was trying to make a point regarding nobody being ruled out including CB and DS and supplied MSM links to confirm it.

Glad I found the video because it confirmed my belief especially when the reporter asked the question. I noticed a half smile by the detective.

Sometimes we forget many of the details and bringing back old news may spark a new theory or confirm an old one.

If anyone has a link to her cellphone being found. My understanding was that Karen Bobo got the tip but I don't know if that was fact. IIRC, it was around Easter. I'll keep looking for a link but any help would be appreciated.

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 03:54 PM
“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2


Maybe Karen Bobo “knew her boyfriend wasn’t here” because Holly was not home the night before.

What I find interesting is that Karen Bobo never states she actually SAW Holly that morning. So she could have just as easily spoken to Holly on the phone, as she may have spoken to Drew on the phone that unfortunate morning.

The reason why Clint may not have known who was outside of the house, was because Holly may not have slept at home the night before. Maybe she came home that morning only to get her lunch, and was followed by the perp.

The MAIN question still remains: Who was the last person to see Holly before the morning of April 13th?

One of the bigger mysteries in this case is the timeline of calls between people connected to Holly.

JMO

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 03:55 PM
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Thank you so much again for that. This P.I. is amazing. I watched 3 or 4 of the videos in that series, but now I can't find the resolution to the case, on how the guy caught on video was captured. Can you supply a direct link to that segment? Thanks very much.

Upon watching how this case was solved, I again ask the question, as in the first threads: Did investigators find anything out about a suspicious person from the security cams at the school or in the clinic/hospital settings where Holly worked, that would lead them to believe someone could have seen her there and followed her home?

If you click on the second link it brings you to his website. Click on the tab that says references (I think) and it brings you to the case.

What was fascinating about Ken Brennan is he took the victim's statement about what she remembered of the night/early morning attack and threw it in the garbage. He started over from scratch and what little evidence LE was willing to provide him.

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 04:11 PM
Yes and Kyron's case boasted over 3000 tips at one point...for what it's worth. I never put any faith in numbers of tips...what is the difference, if the person is still missing, months or years later? To me, the higher the profile of the case, the more people want "in" on the action and will call in some nonsense, however well-meaning they may be.

sumzero
09-05-2011, 04:27 PM
“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2


Maybe Karen Bobo “knew her boyfriend wasn’t here” because Holly was not home the night before.

What I find interesting is that Karen Bobo never states she actually SAW Holly that morning. So she could have just as easily spoken to Holly on the phone, as she may have spoken to Drew on the phone that unfortunate morning.

The reason why Clint may not have known who was outside of the house, was because Holly may not have slept at home the night before. Maybe she came home that morning only to get her lunch, and was followed by the perp.

The MAIN question still remains: Who was the last person to see Holly before the morning of April 13th?

One of the bigger mysteries in this case is the timeline of calls between people connected to Holly.

JMO

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110821/NEWS25/108210309/Holly-Bobo-s-parents-still-relive-daughter-s-disappearance-Every-second-without-Holly-too-long-

Karen mentions that she shut Clint's bedroom door since Holly had risen early to study for an important test. (I presume this means that Holly would have turned on the lights, perhaps made some noise moving about the house, etc.) Though she doesn't explicitly say, "I saw Holly," IMO it's safe to assume that she did.

Carla Lashelle
09-05-2011, 05:00 PM
“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2


Maybe Karen Bobo “knew her boyfriend wasn’t here” because Holly was not home the night before.

What I find interesting is that Karen Bobo never states she actually SAW Holly that morning. So she could have just as easily spoken to Holly on the phone, as she may have spoken to Drew on the phone that unfortunate morning.

The reason why Clint may not have known who was outside of the house, was because Holly may not have slept at home the night before. Maybe she came home that morning only to get her lunch, and was followed by the perp.

The MAIN question still remains: Who was the last person to see Holly before the morning of April 13th?

One of the bigger mysteries in this case is the timeline of calls between people connected to Holly.

JMO

Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 05:03 PM
Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

What about Drew? Did she say she spoke to him on the phone?

Advocate1
09-05-2011, 05:12 PM
I am very sorry if I caused a problem. I guess I wasn't clear on the specifics of the forum rules. I have read here for some time but am not to familiar with forums. I see that it can be frustrating if you have some knowledge of the things that would not be reported by LE. I do understand the problem with rumors in this case and others though. It is for the better of the thread but personally frustrating IMO.

R.U.Kidding!
09-05-2011, 05:19 PM
Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

I never thought Karen said she "saw" Holly---could you please direct me to that interview. TIA

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110821/NEWS25/108210309/Holly-Bobo-s-parents-still-relive-daughter-s-disappearance-Every-second-without-Holly-too-long-

Karen mentions that she shut Clint's bedroom door since Holly had risen early to study for an important test. (I presume this means that Holly would have turned on the lights, perhaps made some noise moving about the house, etc.) Though she doesn't explicitly say, "I saw Holly," IMO it's safe to assume that she did.

BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

TxLady2
09-05-2011, 06:40 PM
BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just saying.

wfgodot
09-05-2011, 06:47 PM
If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just saying.
bbm

I agree with this but will take a bit of issue with the bolded sentence in that speculation - thinking outside the box - can be crucial in sleuthing a case where all the facts are not, and may never be, for whatever reason, known.

~n/t~
09-05-2011, 06:52 PM
April 14, 2011


Police say no home invasion when Holly Bobo was abducted, dragged into woods.

John Mayer, spokesman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI) told ABCNews.com that “the suspect was never inside.”

It was initially reported that Holly’s brother watched as she was being dragged away from their carport and into the woods. Thursday police say Holly’s mother also witnessed the abduction.

Investigators would not comment if Holly’s family members tried to intervene or if they were suspected in the abduction
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-say-no-home-invasion-when-holly-bobo-was-abducted-dragged-into-woods


April 15, 2011


Breaking News: Holly Bobo's cell phone, camouflage clothes found in car

UPDATE: Police say the report that Holly's cell phone and camouflage clothing were found in a car was incorrect, ABC News reports Friday afternoon. Later, MSNBC reported that the items were found in the car.

Police say they believe Holly, likely in fear for her life, followed her abductor into the woods and was not dragged as initially believed.



http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/breaking-news-holly-bobo-s-cell-phone-camouflage-clothes-found-car


April 18, 2011


Holly Bobo case: Brother and boyfriend not ruled out

Law enforcement found personal items of Holly Bobo discarded 8 miles from her home. This at lease gives law enforcement a sense of direction on where the abductor went with Bobo, unless they items were placed there to throw law enforcement off.




http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/holly-bobo-case-brother-boyfriend-not-ruled-out

April 19, 2011


Holly Bobo underwater search underway

Residents of the community are also being interviewed. This as blood and items suspected to be that of Holly Bobo, that were discovered are undergoing DNA testing.

Investigators believe the abductor of Bobo lived in the area, or was familiar with the area and knew Bobo and her family.




Break

sumzero
09-05-2011, 07:40 PM
BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

Under the circumstances (i.e., not being able to sit down and speak with the Bobos), I have no problem with making some safe, limited assumptions. Holly and her mother had a close relationship; I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise. Holly was a good, conscientious student, according to the news article. Holly had an important test that morning, according to her mother. Holly had risen at 4:30 a.m. to study for the test, according to her mother. Her mother at some point closed Clint's bedroom door. Her mother closed it specifically to allow him to sleep, since Holly had risen early to study for the test. Her mother packed Holly's lunch. Her mother said she spoke with her daughter that morning. I think it's safe to assume that Holly spent the night at her home. I think it's safe to assume that Karen Bobo saw Holly at home before she left for work. Will specific facts be revealed to indicate otherwise? It's possible. But until that happens, I plan to use common sense and make these limited assumptions. But that's just me. :)

R.U.Kidding!
09-05-2011, 07:49 PM
If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just sayin]

Hi TxLady,

The question as to "who" actually saw Holly last, and what time that was has never really been answered. Carla was the closest to a statement of fact with the interview she referred to that stated she was "actually seen" early that morning by Karen.

I can only speak for myself when I say I never wanted to know that because I believed she was with her boyfriend Drew. However I did think it might be important for timeline purposes.

Example: If the last person to see Holly was her Dad when she went to bed at say11Pm . No one saw Holly after that, only ASSUMED she was home in her room, well what would that say about a timeline for her abduction. She could have been taken any time after 11pm, right? Now of course that is if, like me, you were to believe that there is some concern about the consistency of witness statements for the 7:30 sighting the morning of the 12

That is why I ask Carla for reference to that particular interview.
Frankly I don't understand why there has been no definitive answer to that question. It's a simple question why do they talk in riddles, so we have to ASSUME what they mean.

IMOO---When you are lucky enough to have a witness--their account should be the same account every time it is told . It should not be like pulling teeth.
:twocents:

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 07:49 PM
April 14, 2011


http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-say-no-home-invasion-when-holly-bobo-was-abducted-dragged-into-woods


April 15, 2011



http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/breaking-news-holly-bobo-s-cell-phone-camouflage-clothes-found-car


April 18, 2011



http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/holly-bobo-case-brother-boyfriend-not-ruled-out

April 19, 2011



Break

We generally are not able to use the examiner as a source at WS and I can see why...

Carla Lashelle
09-05-2011, 08:50 PM
What about Drew? Did she say she spoke to him on the phone?

No because she was not talking about events after Holly vanished... just that she was up, talked to Holly about the upcoming test, pushed Clint's bedroom door closed, etc. before she went to work.

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 08:55 PM
I didn’t mean to upset anyone’s sensibilities regarding my theory of Holly spending the night away from home the night before her abduction, but we’re not talking about 1950’s Mayberry. From what I’ve read and heard about Holly, she is a responsible and conscientious young woman. It sounds like her parents trusted her. So why wouldn’t they approve of her spending the night with her boyfriend?

Also, Drew’s grandmother stated a couple of days after Holly went missing, “it was the first night Drew and Holly spent apart.” If she’s talking about SINCE Holly went missing, wouldn’t that mean Drew and Holly spent the night together before the morning of her abduction?

And I think it’s important to the case to find out if Holly’s mom actually SAW Holly the morning of the abduction. Don't mean to pick nits, but I believe it would establish a real timeline.

JMO

Carla Lashelle
09-05-2011, 09:10 PM
Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

Advocate1
09-05-2011, 09:12 PM
I completely agree.



BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

Carla Lashelle
09-05-2011, 09:13 PM
I didn’t mean to upset anyone’s sensibilities regarding my theory of Holly spending the night away from home the night before her abduction, but we’re not talking about 1950’s Mayberry. From what I’ve read and heard about Holly, she is a responsible and conscientious young woman. It sounds like her parents trusted her. So why wouldn’t they approve of her spending the night with her boyfriend?

Also, Drew’s grandmother stated a couple of days after Holly went missing, “it was the first night Drew and Holly spent apart.” If she’s talking about SINCE Holly went missing, wouldn’t that mean Drew and Holly spent the night together before the morning of her abduction?

And I think it’s important to the case to find out if Holly’s mom actually SAW Holly the morning of the abduction. Don't mean to pick nits, but I believe it would establish a real timeline.




JMO


Its not nit picking but I think its reading too much into every little and often vague statement.

Yes Drew's grandmother was talking about the nite of Holly's abduction. But being together "at night" or spending time together does not mean Holly was at Drew's house.

There are enough statemnts from Karen to lead me to believe Holly was at home. Actually, to me, its obvious. But thats just me.

nosyone
09-05-2011, 09:19 PM
In an August 5th interview the following question was asked of CB:


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.


This has bothered me since I read it, he acts as though there really was a turkey. The interviewer had asked him about the "people kneeling" in the garage and he said that he thought it was D and H sitting talking over a turkey that Drew had hunted and killed. Even though he now knows the full story, he says "no, it was gone".

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 09:21 PM
Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

Thanks for your input Carla.

But until I hear Karen Bobo say she SAW Holly that morning, I'm not going to assume she did. (I'm not saying she didn't see her, BUT I find it odd that she hasn't come out and said "I SAW HOLLY THAT MORNING.")

KB also stated she talked to Drew and her mother that morning. Do you automatically assume she saw them?

wishuwerehere
09-05-2011, 09:23 PM
Its not nit picking but I think its reading too much into every little and often vague statement.

Yes Drew's grandmother was talking about the nite of Holly's abduction. But being together "at night" or spending time together does not mean Holly was at Drew's house.

There are enough statemnts from Karen to lead me to believe Holly was at home. Actually, to me, its obvious. But thats just me.

BBM

And to some people it's obvious that Clint had something to do with Holly's disappearance. That doesn't mean I believe it!

Disgusted
09-05-2011, 10:00 PM
Does anyone know if the septic system(s) on the bobo property have been opened and searched by law enforcement? (assuming septic exists on the property, which based on the remote location seems probable.)

Also, does anyone know if the interior of the bobo home has been searched by law enforcement?

shefner
09-05-2011, 10:04 PM
In an August 5th interview the following question was asked of CB:


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.


This has bothered me since I read it, he acts as though there really was a turkey. The interviewer had asked him about the "people kneeling" in the garage and he said that he thought it was D and H sitting talking over a turkey that Drew had hunted and killed. Even though he now knows the full story, he says "no, it was gone".


If you listen to the video, instead of reading the transcript, I think you will hear Clint say, "No, they was gone." Bad grammar....but definitely a southern way of speaking. I hear it every day.

R.U.Kidding!
09-05-2011, 10:07 PM
Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

All I asked for was a reference for your statement that Karen Bobo "actually saw" Holly. No need to worry about creating an idea that is not productive. I can do that on my time. TIA.

cluciano63
09-05-2011, 10:10 PM
I was wondering if Karen saw Drew that morning as well as Holly, or if she only spoke to Drew on the phone, and I don't think that has been made clear at all.

shefner
09-05-2011, 10:12 PM
I was wondering if Karen saw Drew that morning as well as Holly, or if she only spoke to Drew on the phone, and I don't think that has been made clear at all.

I haven't seen any specifics about how Karen spoke to Drew the morning in question.

JeannieC
09-05-2011, 11:30 PM
Does anyone know if the septic system(s) on the bobo property have been opened and searched by law enforcement? (assuming septic exists on the property, which based on the remote location seems probable.)

Also, does anyone know if the interior of the bobo home has been searched by law enforcement?

I am not aware of the Bobo house being searched.
Are you familiar with septic tanks? The only openings are the commodes, tubs, showers, and sinks via drainage pipes. In order to access the septic they would have to dig up the yard.

SmoothOperator
09-06-2011, 12:00 AM
As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning."
[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)

"She also called Clint at home.."

However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.

She also called Clint at home. He came to realize the man he saw with Holly was not her boyfriend.

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.

IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

Clint Bobo said he assumed it was Holly’s boyfriend, since he is known to go turkey hunting.

“At the time, I just seen the two walking toward the woods. He wasn't leading her, he wasn't dragging her. They were walking simultaneously toward the woods. And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” he said.

A neighbor had apparently heard screams coming from the house and alerted the school where Karen Bobo works.

“Motherly instinct. I knew something was wrong as soon as the secretary came to the cafeteria and told me,” she said.

Four 911 calls were made: one from the school, one from the neighbor, and two from Karen Bobo herself.

She also called Clint at home. He came to realize the man he saw with Holly was not her boyfriend.

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

Advocate1
09-06-2011, 12:08 AM
How do ya'll think TBI determined that Holly was in "fear for her life?"

IF the second account that TBI released is to be believed and Clint witnessed Holly walking towards the woods with the man in camo and no outward sign of her resistanting him then how was it determined she was 1. ABDUCTED 2. In "fear for her life" and complying with his demands?

TBI Director Mark Gwynn said that the small amount of blood found was determined to not be a life threatening amount and Clint said that they were walking together but he was not touching her at all which contradicts TBI's claim that they "believe" he was holding her arm but not in a forceful manner.
Why would TBI use the term we "believe" he had ahold of her by the arm?
They have a eyewitness I would think they either confirm or deny it depending on investigative evidence.

I am not clear how it was determined that Holly was even abducted really.
I also find it weird how initially it said she was "possibly' abducted in a home invasion.
Was that just a media precaution?

http://www.wmctv.com/story/14468975/reward-for-information-rises-as-search-for-holly-bobo-continues?clienttype=printable

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&ei=pJxlTpDuH8XAsAeR9vObAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20054470-504083.html&source=android-browser-type&ved=0CDkQFjAJOAo&usg=AFQjCNGMazgxrJCc7Ly9XgDUaEbbCIZmxQ

sumzero
09-06-2011, 12:12 AM
What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

Plumeria5
09-06-2011, 12:16 AM
Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

That is what I brought up earlier. Was he stocking groceries on an early shift at the grocery store?

Advocate1
09-06-2011, 12:49 AM
I have been stumped on this too. When I was younger my Mom and I are very close and I told her everything. I also had a steady bf when I was 20 and he was real close with the family. What if Holly and Karen were talking that morning about her test and her plans for the day when Holly mentioned what Drew was doing for the day also. Work or hunting whatever. So Karen gets a call from the neighbor at work saying there was scream(s) heard from the direction of her house. Now as a Mom I am a worrier and I would immedietly think something wasn't right. I mean the neighbor was concerned enough to call her work obviously. So Karen knows where Drew is suppose to be and Holly should of been at schopl already. I think she had eliminated Drew solely because of her knowing those things and assuming there was not reason in her mind that Drew would harm Holly or cause her to scream. So when Clint said she was outside with Drew she immedietly knew it wasn't Drew because of what she knew and part what she assumed in rationalizing it in her head. Idk but I think that is how I would also think.






As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

cluciano63
09-06-2011, 01:10 AM
How do ya'll think TBI determined that Holly was in "fear for her life?"

IF the second account that TBI released is to be believed and Clint witnessed Holly walking towards the woods with the man in camo and no outward sign of her resistanting him then how was it determined she was 1. ABDUCTED 2. In "fear for her life" and complying with his demands?

TBI Director Mark Gwynn said that the small amount of blood found was determined to not be a life threatening amount and Clint said that they were walking together but he was not touching her at all which contradicts TBI's claim that they "believe" he was holding her arm but not in a forceful manner.
Why would TBI use the term we "believe" he had ahold of her by the arm?
They have a eyewitness I would think they either confirm or deny it depending on investigative evidence.

I am not clear how it was determined that Holly was even abducted really.
I also find it weird how initially it said she was "possibly' abducted in a home invasion.
Was that just a media precaution?

http://www.wmctv.com/story/14468975/reward-for-information-rises-as-search-for-holly-bobo-continues?clienttype=printable

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&ei=pJxlTpDuH8XAsAeR9vObAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20054470-504083.html&source=android-browser-type&ved=0CDkQFjAJOAo&usg=AFQjCNGMazgxrJCc7Ly9XgDUaEbbCIZmxQ

I kind of thought LE was trying to justify Clint not doing anything (except talk to his mother) when Holly was walking into the woods, by saying she was being threatened...maybe she was, but the description does not match that, so it comes off as sounding odd from LE once they dropped the "dragged."

SmoothOperator
09-06-2011, 01:10 AM
“At the time, I just seen the two walking toward the woods. He wasn't leading her, he wasn't dragging her. They were walking simultaneously toward the woods. And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” he said.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-...086,full.story

And from the same article in my previous post I snipped the ^above^ portion that I found to be odd to say the least.. Does anyone else see what I am talking about?

Clint goes into his acct of last seeing his sister and makes certain to include that he did NOT see her being dragged, NOR was she even being led.. But rather the two of them were "walking simultaneously toward the woods".. <- the "walking simultaneously" is an odd statement, too IMO.. But what he says next really struck me as odd..

.."And*then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,”
This, as are many in the article IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF CLINT BOBO..*

Immediately after he makes the statement ensuring to include that Holly was NOT dragged.. And was NOT even being led into the woods.. But that rather the "two of them were walking simultaneously toward the woods".. Immediately after that statement he follows it by saying,.."And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” *.. What does he mean *in saying as if it's an afterthought,"and then later".. Come to find out she had been threatened..????!! WTH?? How did they come upon this knowledge that she was actually threatened by the man in camo?? It says they later find this out that she was threatened.. What was the threat and how did they learn about it??
Moving into what he closes his thought with, " I mean she definitely went into the woods against her will.". Seems as tho he is attempting to reword his initial statement of "come to find out she had been threatened".. Almost as if he's wanting to scratch/omit those words and replace them with.. "I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will."..

Tho in reality what he leads off the statement with, the making certain to clarify that Holly was not dragged into the woods.. And that Holly was not even being led by the arm into the woods.. Then stating that actually Holly and the man in camo were walking of their own free will, with no signs of distress whatsoever, "simultaneously" towards the woods..

So the very statement that he made so certain to make very clear and to state that there was zero force used in any way whatsoever and that actually they were showing zero signs of stress of any type, walking of their own free will, completely unguided and without having been led in any way leisurely walking and making their way towards the woods..

That very statement ensuring that it is clearly understood that Holly in no way looked, acted, or seemed to be in distress.. But In his very next statement that followed he completely relays the exact and polar opposite of what he has just stated?!?!! That she was going into the woods against her will and that it was learned that she had been threatened about going into those woods and she did so completely against her wiil..

Does anyone else read this as I do and that the comment seems very strange, nonsensical, and IMO most likely there is
Much or ATLEAST some portion of the statement that is not the honest truth..this only further indicating that it's possibly not a true nor accurate acct of what happened that morning..

I'll lastly say this in clarifying that I am not pointing a finger at Clint but rather looking at It from the point of view that it is not Clint who wishes to deceive or lie with his statements but rather it is due to the open and active case and likely at LE's request that they want certain info and details NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC .. but who really And truly knows the why, the when, the where, and the who..
*But I do know for certain there definitely are some odd and strange statements, behaviors, etc.. Jmo, tho!

Darcyline
09-06-2011, 01:29 AM
SmoothOperator-I don't think those comments are necessarily polar opposites. He glanced out a window and saw them walking into the woods. Holly was not in any immediate visible danger. Then, he learns of the blood and the fact that it wasn't Drew and also the fact that she is obviously missing and now thinks it is obvious that Holly was threatened and didn't go into the woods willingly. Free will, to me, doesn't have to be taken away with physical force or being led. Against her will could just mean she was scared into it. Nothing changed visually, but the information he had did change-that Holly's blood spilled and...well, that she hasn't come back yet.

Advocate1
09-06-2011, 02:46 AM
I had considered that also but it doesn't really help much. IMO
See LE had to have "reasonable knowledge" that she was in danger of serious bodily harm and/or death to be able to put out the amber alert.

http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

LE never stated if Clint interviened when the story broke. I guess that made people just jump to conclusions and assume he just stood and watched. Even if that is what happened. And and he froze up and let them get away that would be very hard for him to come to terms with and live with but it is not a crime.

The accounts are polar opposites and IMO couldn't be misunderstood.
Do you think LE needed to get the amber alert out so they just "added" what they "believe" could of happened and how THEY believe Holly felt??

Doesn't jive with me at all.

You also have to have enough of a description of the suspect to warrant the amber alert useful. That's in the criteria. I am not thinking a man in camo with no mention of face, hair, hat, shoes, nothing. Hmmm turkey hunting... Camo Men everywhere.


I kind of thought LE was trying to justify Clint not doing anything (except talk to his mother) when Holly was walking into the woods, by saying she was being threatened...maybe she was,hard for him to deal with but it isn't a crime. but the description does not match that, so it comes off as sounding odd from LE once they dropped the "dragged."

katydid23
09-06-2011, 02:55 AM
As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

Apparently he worked in the meat department of his fathers grocery store. I used to work in a grocery store, and the guys in meat and produce had to be at work really early to set up the stations. I can imagine that he might have been at work by 7 or so.

But what I don't understand is why he would be talking to Holly's mom that early. I talk to my son's girlfriend by cell or text, but usually only about him or our plans with them for doing something. Maybe Holiday stuff or birthdays etc. But what business would they have on the phone @ 7:30 in the morning?

eta: I sometimes call my son's gf to order something from the store she works in. Maybe she called drew to order meat from the store?

cluciano63
09-06-2011, 03:09 AM
I had considered that also but it doesn't really help much. IMO
See LE had to have "reasonable knowledge" that she was in danger of serious bodily harm and/or death to be able to put out the amber alert.

http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

LE never stated if Clint interviened when the story broke. I guess that made people just jump to conclusions and assume he just stood and watched. Even if that is what happened. And and he froze up and let them get away that would be very hard for him to come to terms with and live with but it is not a crime.

The accounts are polar opposites and IMO couldn't be misunderstood.
Do you think LE needed to get the amber alert out so they just "added" what they "believe" could of happened and how THEY believe Holly felt??

Doesn't jive with me at all.

You also have to have enough of a description of the suspect to warrant the amber alert useful. That's in the criteria. I am not thinking a man in camo with no mention of face, hair, hat, shoes, nothing. Hmmm turkey hunting... Camo Men everywhere.

I think I remember a lot of the initial media asking why Clint didn't follow her or do something, if she was being "dragged" into the woods by a man. And that is when I believe it became, she was walked into the woods, sometimes "led" into the woods and then walking along side him in fear for her life, or something like that. And that is when LE said the infamous "it is not as it seems" or words to that effect. So I think they were saying while she wasn't dragged, as was initially reported, that there was reason to believe she was being threatened (perhaps for the Amber Alert, although I am not sure it was an official one?) but I got the impression that they were trying to say that while Clint couldn't tell she was being forced, they concluded she must have been. And besides, we know Clint didn't think she was in danger, because he still thought it was Drew she was walking with, didn't he? What a confusing mess of words and phrases...

I wish I had confidence that LE knows a whole lot and is close to a conclusion in this case, but from her family's recents words I do not get that impression at all. I don't think they mean to add to the confusion, I blame the reporters and/or TV hosts asking questions badly and then not waiting for answers, instead they feed them something else and the original question gets lost.

Frogzilla
09-06-2011, 04:29 AM
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-...086,full.story

And from the same article in my previous post I snipped the ^above^ portion that I found to be odd to say the least.. Does anyone else see what I am talking about?

Clint goes into his acct of last seeing his sister and makes certain to include that he did NOT see her being dragged, NOR was she even being led.. But rather the two of them were "walking simultaneously toward the woods".. <- the "walking simultaneously" is an odd statement, too IMO.. But what he says next really struck me as odd..

This, as are many in the article IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF CLINT BOBO..*

Immediately after he makes the statement ensuring to include that Holly was NOT dragged.. And was NOT even being led into the woods.. But that rather the "two of them were walking simultaneously toward the woods".. Immediately after that statement he follows it by saying,.."And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” *.. What does he mean *in saying as if it's an afterthought,"and then later".. Come to find out she had been threatened..????!! WTH?? How did they come upon this knowledge that she was actually threatened by the man in camo?? It says they later find this out that she was threatened.. What was the threat and how did they learn about it??
Moving into what he closes his thought with, " I mean she definitely went into the woods against her will.". Seems as tho he is attempting to reword his initial statement of "come to find out she had been threatened".. Almost as if he's wanting to scratch/omit those words and replace them with.. "I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will."..

Tho in reality what he leads off the statement with, the making certain to clarify that Holly was not dragged into the woods.. And that Holly was not even being led by the arm into the woods.. Then stating that actually Holly and the man in camo were walking of their own free will, with no signs of distress whatsoever, "simultaneously" towards the woods..

So the very statement that he made so certain to make very clear and to state that there was zero force used in any way whatsoever and that actually they were showing zero signs of stress of any type, walking of their own free will, completely unguided and without having been led in any way leisurely walking and making their way towards the woods..

That very statement ensuring that it is clearly understood that Holly in no way looked, acted, or seemed to be in distress.. But In his very next statement that followed he completely relays the exact and polar opposite of what he has just stated?!?!! That she was going into the woods against her will and that it was learned that she had been threatened about going into those woods and she did so completely against her wiil..

Does anyone else read this as I do and that the comment seems very strange, nonsensical, and IMO most likely there is
Much or ATLEAST some portion of the statement that is not the honest truth..this only further indicating that it's possibly not a true nor accurate acct of what happened that morning..

I'll lastly say this in clarifying that I am not pointing a finger at Clint but rather looking at It from the point of view that it is not Clint who wishes to deceive or lie with his statements but rather it is due to the open and active case and likely at LE's request that they want certain info and details NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC .. but who really And truly knows the why, the when, the where, and the who..
*But I do know for certain there definitely are some odd and strange statements, behaviors, etc.. Jmo, tho!
Long post, but I haven't posted for awhile so making up for lost time. ;)
When that article was first released, I brought up a similar line of thought in regards to the statements made by CB. I do find those two particular comments to be an odd match, but not improbable. In saying that he later came to "find out" HB had been threatened, I felt right away that he was purposely being vague. It could mean that when everyone converged on the Bobo house after the abduction and everybody shared their version of events, there was a clearer picture from which to draw assumptions. The blood found in the garage raised their level of concern, especially once that elusive turkey was nowhere to be found, etc... So one possibility is that they naturally assumed she was threatened.

Another way to look at these statements is to read somewhere in between the lines of what is being said here and then also consider some of the statements that CB has added or revised over time. For example in the JVM interview, JVM asks if the blood trail lead anywhere. KB says no and then CB says that the trail in the woods leads to a logging road. Hmmmm. So going back to Smooth's post, CB makes this odd pairing of statements again, which IMO are along the same line of thought. CB says that he saw them walking toward the woods casually, then he not only says she must of been threatened with a weapon, he says that she definitely went into the woods against her will and later adds the bit about the trail leading to a logging road. So why did the question about where a blood trail could of possibly lead made CB want to say there is a trail leading to a logging road?
Also consider some of the other seemingly random remarks CB has said. One that has stuck in my mind for quite awhile is from the JVM interview as well. When he brings up the two silhouettes kneeling in the garage. To paraphrase the remarks of CB, he saw two silhouettes kneeling in the garage but he could not tell who they were. He saw them them from the inside of the house looking out at them in the garage. He heard two unidentifiable voices outside(later added that they were younger sounding) and called his mother to ask if anybody was suppose to be there. NOW HERE IS WHERE I AM EXTREMELY CONFUSED. Do I find it odd that he called his mother far away when the people he was asking about were maybe 20-30ish feet away from him? Yes I 100% find that odd, but here is what is even stranger IMO. CB says that in talking to his mother, he was told that Holly was suppose to be at school already. If CB had no idea who was out in the garage, then why did his mother assume it was HB if she was suppose to be at school by then? If KB had already been told about a scream heard by the neighbor at this point, would't the level of concern be sky high? So in talking to his mother he realized it is HB out in the garage and at this point assumes the person is DS, the boyfriend. Up to this point in this version of the story, the confusion does make some sense. Nobody is worried about HB safety at this time. Now here is the hard part of that to understand. When talking to his mother, he somehow figures out that it is HB out in the garage but according to what he has repeatedly said, he did not go out into the garage to see for himself. That is odd, maybe he looked out another window, saw her car and assumed everything was fine. But he doesn't make a statement about knowing who is in the garage once without looking, he does it twice. He later adds that HE assumed it WAS HB and DS in the garage, but he immediately adds that it was DS in full camo gear in the garage as well. IF he did not look to see who was in the garage, how did he know it was not only DS, but that he was in full camo gear?( at this point in the narrative, CB makes it sound like he saw the camo man in the garage). Please notice how CB says he believed DS had been hunting and brought a turkey back TO THE GARAGE before he saw them casually walk away. Here is that quote from the JVM interview-http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
"VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed."

First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence.

Advocate1
09-06-2011, 05:15 AM
It is all just completely crazy confusing.
It doesn't appear that LE is making progress they have not commented on the case in months. Karen says they sent sharing info with them but that she knows they are working really hard to bring Holly home. No POI'S released, no suspects, no abductor description, no comment on the dogs tracking a scent, no comment on any tire tracks, so we don't get any info besides camp man and her were walking towards the woods and there were no sign of her being forced and they disappear.

Family gives a quick plea for help finding Holly then we don't here anything else from them for 10 weeks. No statements from LE addressing the safety of the community or if they feel this was a isolated incident. We just wait.
Family wouldn't talk, LE stopped giving updates, we had all these unclarified contradictions, no timeline, nothing...
We know that LE believes she was abducted and in "fear for her life" and was going into the woods against her will.
I really get the impression that the media attention was not wanted in this case by LE. I carefully say that I feel that the general public was not utilized at all by anyone. If you were local you were needed but beyond that it just felt and had played out very different then any other case I can think of.
We have LE saying that the investigation has narrowed and is do used on identifying the suspect( that was over 3 months ago) Then we have LE saying that they have no solid or promising leafs and don't know what they missed??? Huh?
Then we hear we are 1 clue away. Find that clue and it will hopefully bring Holly home.
So its been almost 5 months and LE is not talking at all. They wont clarify anything. We have the family that did a 180 and is on a media blitz. They are asking the person(s) that have Holly to please let her come home. I find it odd that very rarely do they ask for help, or clarifying a timeline. They seem to always be almost talking to someone that is holding Holly against her will imo.
Lastly we have Clint tell us the other day that he thinks they are closer now then ever to bringing Holly home. I pray this is true. This case is just different. There is more to it.



I think I remember a lot of the initial media asking why Clint didn't follow her or do something, if she was being "dragged" into the woods by a man. And that is when I believe it became, she was walked into the woods, sometimes "led" into the woods and then walking along side him in fear for her life, or something like that. And that is when LE said the infamous "it is not as it seems" or words to that effect. So I think they were saying while she wasn't dragged, as was initially reported, that there was reason to believe she was being threatened (perhaps for the Amber Alert, although I am not sure it was an official one?) but I got the impression that they were trying to say that while Clint couldn't tell she was being forced, they concluded she must have been. And besides, we know Clint didn't think she was in danger, because he still thought it was Drew she was walking with, didn't he? What a confusing mess of words and phrases...

I wish I had confidence that LE knows a whole lot and is close to a conclusion in this case, but from her family's recents words I do not get that impression at all. I don't think they mean to add to the confusion, I blame the reporters and/or TV hosts asking questions badly and then not waiting for answers, instead they feed them something else and the original question gets lost.

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 05:30 AM
We generally are not able to use the examiner as a source at WS and I can see why...

Nothing we haven't seen in other MSM. I was just trying to put together some sort of timeline of what occurred and when. I thought it would be easier if I stuck to the same source. I guess not. Oh well, people can take from it whatever they want. The facts remain the same.

Karen Anne RN
09-06-2011, 05:45 AM
Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

HB screamed, the neighbor getting into her car heard it, the Bobo dog heard it and started barking, the barking woke CB up, the neighbor called KB, KB called HB's cell and got no answer, so she calls DS at work and he is there.

Then she calls CB at home, and when he brings up the 2 people in the garage, she tells him that DS is not one of them because she just talked to him, and then she calls 911.

That's the way I remember it from what I read at the time.

It is my personal opinion, that both Professional and Private Search Organizations are boots on the ground searching, and they say that they will not stop until they find Holly.

As a side note, we live in an area exactly like the Bobo family, and our nearest neighbors are farther away than those from the Bobo's. We can hear the children talking when they are outside, because sound carries so far away here, because it is so quiet.

All MOO, as always ~~

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 05:53 AM
HB screamed, the neighbor getting into her car heard it, the Bobo dog heard it and started barking, the barking woke CB up, the neighbor called KB, KB called HB's cell and got no answer, so she calls DS at work and he is there.

Then she calls CB at home, and when he brings up the 2 people in the garage, she tells him that DS is not one of them because she just talked to him, and then she calls 911.

That's the way I remember it from what I read at the time.

It is my personal opinion, that both Professional and Private Search Organizations are boots on the ground searching, and they say that they will not stop until they find Holly.

As a side note, we live in an area exactly like the Bobo family, and our nearest neighbors are farther away than those from the Bobo's. We can hear the children talking when they are outside, because sound carries so far away here, because it is so quiet.

All MOO, as always ~~

That version changed somewhat. It was the neighbour's son who heard the scream. We don't know anything else about him. His age, etc.

CB said he called his mom and not that KB called him.

The scream came from the Bobo home.

Karen Anne RN
09-06-2011, 06:08 AM
That version changed somewhat. It was the neighbour's son who heard the scream. We don't know anything else about him. His age, etc.

CB said he called his mom and not that KB called him.

The scream came from the Bobo home.

There may be 2 witnesses to the screams then, because I saw the neighbor on the news.

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 06:12 AM
SmoothOperator-I don't think those comments are necessarily polar opposites. He glanced out a window and saw them walking into the woods. Holly was not in any immediate visible danger. Then, he learns of the blood and the fact that it wasn't Drew and also the fact that she is obviously missing and now thinks it is obvious that Holly was threatened and didn't go into the woods willingly. Free will, to me, doesn't have to be taken away with physical force or being led. Against her will could just mean she was scared into it. Nothing changed visually, but the information he had did change-that Holly's blood spilled and...well, that she hasn't come back yet.

He thought the blood was turkey blood and not Holly's.

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 06:17 AM
There may be 2 witnesses to the screams then, because I saw the neighbor on the news.

Interesting. Thanks.

Here is where the neighbour's son comment came from, FYI


Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home.

"I think at that point I knew something was wrong because I knew Holly had a test, a big test, that day," she said. "And at the time she came and told me that, Holly should've already been gone to school."

Karen said Clint, who was at home asleep at the time, did not hear screams.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/TN--Tenn-Woman-Abducted

Karen Anne RN
09-06-2011, 06:37 AM
Interesting. Thanks.

Here is where the neighbour's son comment came from, FYI


http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/TN--Tenn-Woman-Abducted

That's a good article; thanks.

Oh, you know what ? Maybe the son is the son of that neighbor. Maybe she was taking him to school. Or maybe he's from a different house altogether.

This whole case is so frustrating. And Oct. 12, is Holly's 21st birthday.
I hope to God she's home by then.

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 06:48 AM
That's a good article; thanks.

Oh, you know what ? Maybe the son is the son of that neighbor. Maybe she was taking him to school. Or maybe he's from a different house altogether.

This whole case is so frustrating. And Oct. 12, is Holly's 21st birthday.
I hope to God she's home by then.

I hope so too! She's my son's age. :rose:

EllaMae
09-06-2011, 07:13 AM
"First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence."

<snipped>

I think that Clint is not an experienced public speaker, nor has he been interviewed a lot in his life, so some of his story may seem confusing because he rambles a lot. He is also Southern, and we have a way of putting things together in a sentence that could be hard for others to understand.
I believe he is NOT saying that he actually saw the cammo while viewing the silhouette. He knows the guy was wearing cammo because he later saw him in those clothes while walking into the woods with Holly. He realized that it had to be the same man who was in the garage. So he feels confident saying the guy was wearing cammo in the garage without having to actually see it at that point. He's made those conclusions based on what he learned later....not on what he actually was seeing at the time he looked out the window into the garage. He thought he was seeing Holly with her boyfriend who had been hunting, but later had to readjust due to what actually happened.
Clint is not a good communicator, in addition to his inexperience, because he is also under a great deal of stress as well, and he may be trying not to reveal too much while still telling his story.
He has been trying to put the pieces together of what he saw after the trauma of his sister's abduction became a reality for him. It was early morning, and he didn't realize he should've been paying closer attention, or that Holly was in danger. He's just not all that great at being clear and concise.
I have a friend who cannot tell a story about her adventures that makes any sense. She is a terrible communicator, and can be very confusing. I have to go over it and ask questions in the right way to get the complete details in the right order. I suspect Clint may be like that.
I don't think he is involved in Holly's abduction in any way, or that he is fabricating any part of his story. He just doesn't express himself well in an interview, and there is no effort made to clarify anything by the interviewer.
The media got all kinds of details wrong in the beginning, and that has added to the confusion.

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 07:27 AM
I understand there may be a problem with The Examiner being used as a source but thought I'd link this article anyway because a friend of the family was interviewed and it gives her version of what was told to her by CB. As much as I want to believe that the media is responsible for getting the facts wrong, I do not think that is the case in all instances. I will refrain from quoting and let you all decide what to make of it.

It's an older article dated JULY 2011 - 3 month mark

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/a-friend-reflects-on-the-morning-holly-bobo-went-missing

Personally, I don't see a language barrier. Facts remain the same whether you're from the North, South, East or West.

If he said he assumed it was Holly and Drew looking over a turkey, that is exactly what he meant...for example.

Karen Anne RN
09-06-2011, 08:14 AM
I understand there may be a problem with The Examiner being used as a source but thought I'd link this article anyway because a friend of the family was interviewed and it gives her version of what was told to her by CB. As much as I want to believe that the media is responsible for getting the facts wrong, I do not think that is the case in all instances. I will refrain from quoting and let you all decide what to make of it.

It's an older article dated JULY 2011 - 3 month mark

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/a-friend-reflects-on-the-morning-holly-bobo-went-missing

Personally, I don't see a language barrier. Facts remain the same whether you're from the North, South, East or West.

If he said he assumed it was Holly and Drew looking over a turkey, that is exactly what he meant...for example.

I think very highly of Isabelle Zehnder, and her reporting.

belimom
09-06-2011, 08:18 AM
I think the article above in ~n/t~'s post is a good one - and I think that is exactly how it happened. MOO

Carla Lashelle
09-06-2011, 08:55 AM
All I asked for was a reference for your statement that Karen Bobo "actually saw" Holly. No need to worry about creating an idea that is not productive. I can do that on my time. TIA.

Ok I may be replying to two different people about the same thing at the same time. But as I mentioned... theres 5 months of articles and interviews. We all have the same access to them. It just gets sort of difficult to keep going back again and again.

what I put forth is MY opinion or MY theory. We all must construct our own based on what we found out ourselves.

R.U.Kidding!
09-06-2011, 10:03 AM
Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

Your statement "Actually saw" was definitive. I thought you finally found the interview to substantiate your certainty.....and I Have looked thru 5 months of info, and NEVER found that statement, thus need your reference.


Ok I may be replying to two different people about the same thing at the same time. But as I mentioned... theres 5 months of articles and interviews. We all have the same access to them. It just gets sort of difficult to keep going back again and again.

what I put forth is MY opinion or MY theory. We all must construct our own based on what we found out ourselves.

Asking you for that reference is a part of constructing MY Opinion or MY theory.
With all due respect I only asked you for "the links" for your definitive statement. Not everyone agrees with "your" opinion, so when you make a statement of interest in proving "our own" theory--we ask you for clarification. That's it!

mountainguy777
09-06-2011, 10:13 AM
Just because Drew answered his phone doesn't put him at work. Just saying.....

Karen Anne RN
09-06-2011, 10:29 AM
True.... I was thinking she called the work number, but I don't think she actually said that, in those words....

I believe Karen said that she saw Holly that morning in the last interview that was just released.

mountainguy777
09-06-2011, 10:44 AM
There must be a much bigger circle of people we have no clue about. We are so focused on clint, drew, mom and dad, that we forget friends, relatives, ex love interests, co- workers, school associates, on and on.

nosyone
09-06-2011, 10:53 AM
As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

I wondered if DS could have been out of town. I remember HB's grandmother making a statement that the night before was the first night that they had been away from each other, but I don't remember her being specific on the amount of time. The thought occurred to me that maybe he had gone out of town for some reason. IF Karen knew that and CB didn't, then that could be why she was so certain that it couldn't have been Drew. I might be grabbing at straws, but I too wondered how she could be so adamant that it wasn't DS, the only other reason I could think of was that he was standing right in front of her.

R.U.Kidding!
09-06-2011, 11:04 AM
What was fascinating about Ken Brennan is he took the victim's statement about what she remembered of the night/early morning attack and threw it in the garbage. He started over from scratch and what little evidence LE was willing to provide him.

N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????

Mirage
09-06-2011, 11:09 AM
I wondered if DS could have been out of town. I remember HB's grandmother making a statement that the night before was the first night that they had been away from each other, but I don't remember her being specific on the amount of time. The thought occurred to me that maybe he had gone out of town for some reason. IF Karen knew that and CB didn't, then that could be why she was so certain that it couldn't have been Drew. I might be grabbing at straws, but I too wondered how she could be so adamant that it wasn't DS, the only other reason I could think of was that he was standing right in front of her.

It could be something as simple as she saw him at the gas station that morning... getting gas or a coke or something. Maybe they chatted briefly, then she went on to school, but not enough time had lapsed for him to have gotten to their house yet. Just one of many possibiities. When she said she had talked to him that morning, I dont believe she ever said "on the phone".

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 11:12 AM
N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????

I think that would be the best thing that ever happened in Holly's case. What was also very interesting about the Ken Brennan investigation is the evidence was right there in front of LE's face but they totally missed it and took it as not being possible but Mr. Brennan tested his theory with real people........it was unbelievable. You just have to watch it to believe it.

I honestly believe the missing clue in this case is right before their eyes but they either dismissed it, missed it or overlooked it or they need a new set of eyes. Someone who pays very close attention to detail.


BTW...not just Holly's case. So many of these cold cases need someone to step in and take over from scratch, imo Cummings, Dunn, Baum and so many others.

cluciano63
09-06-2011, 12:09 PM
The recent statement from Clint about being closer than ever...I read it to mean that the family has grown closer than ever, not that they are closer than ever to finding Holly. Does anyone have that sentence from one of his last interviews?

~n/t~
09-06-2011, 12:24 PM
The recent statement from Clint about being closer than ever...I read it to mean that the family has grown closer than ever, not that they are closer than ever to finding Holly. Does anyone have that sentence from one of his last interviews?

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110904/NEWS25/109040327/Holly-Bobo-minds-Darden-residents-festival

concentric
09-06-2011, 12:37 PM
N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????
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Thank you so much for that R.U.Kidding! I appreciate so much your ackowledgement. Either of those P.I.'s, Ken Brennan as intially proposed by n/t (thank you n/t) or Bob Heales, would solve this case, IMO. Mr. Heales also was integral in solving the case of missing Erika Dahlquist.

I don't know if I can go into it, but I was there online from the beginning of when Dru Sjodin was missing, and we were in contact with the searchers in the field. From what I found out, Mr. Heales found the missing piece of the puzzle about sex offender Rodriguez, to hone in on the area where Dru's body was found.

Also, Mr. Heales really advocated for more security cameras on campuses/malls, etc. as outlined in this article:

http://www.mndaily.com/2008/04/07/learning-lessons-dru-sjodin?quicktabs_6=0

http://www.heales-pi.com/NewpaperArticles.htm

Frogzilla
09-06-2011, 01:21 PM
"First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence."

<snipped>

I think that Clint is not an experienced public speaker, nor has he been interviewed a lot in his life, so some of his story may seem confusing because he rambles a lot. He is also Southern, and we have a way of putting things together in a sentence that could be hard for others to understand.
I believe he is NOT saying that he actually saw the cammo while viewing the silhouette. He knows the guy was wearing cammo because he later saw him in those clothes while walking into the woods with Holly. He realized that it had to be the same man who was in the garage. So he feels confident saying the guy was wearing cammo in the garage without having to actually see it at that point. He's made those conclusions based on what he learned later....not on what he actually was seeing at the time he looked out the window into the garage. He thought he was seeing Holly with her boyfriend who had been hunting, but later had to readjust due to what actually happened.
Clint is not a good communicator, in addition to his inexperience, because he is also under a great deal of stress as well, and he may be trying not to reveal too much while still telling his story.
He has been trying to put the pieces together of what he saw after the trauma of his sister's abduction became a reality for him. It was early morning, and he didn't realize he should've been paying closer attention, or that Holly was in danger. He's just not all that great at being clear and concise.
I have a friend who cannot tell a story about her adventures that makes any sense. She is a terrible communicator, and can be very confusing. I have to go over it and ask questions in the right way to get the complete details in the right order. I suspect Clint may be like that.
I don't think he is involved in Holly's abduction in any way, or that he is fabricating any part of his story. He just doesn't express himself well in an interview, and there is no effort made to clarify anything by the interviewer.
The media got all kinds of details wrong in the beginning, and that has added to the confusion.
Yes, I can agree that CB is not a gifted orator. But it has been 5 months of people always trying to water down the things that CB has said. IMO it is very telling in how people relate a story, much more so than the actual phrasing. Could we agree that when recalling memories, we play them out in our mind's eye and we still need to decipher what it is we are going to say? If so, then I find it significant in how CB retells parts of the story, because the whole story is too murky to put together. Notice in the JVM interview, when CB talks about seeing HB and abductor walking away he says-
"C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her. " CB admits to witnessing HB and abductor walk away, but no description of the abductor at this point. In the very next question asked, CB then goes into this-
"C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking."
"C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed."
Now notice when talking about this part of the story, the part he admits to only seeing silhouettes, he gives a much more detailed description. He says HB and a man walked away together and then says WHILE HE WAS STILL INSIDE THE HOUSE he says that he assumed it was HB and DS in full camo gear. How do you assume somebody is in full camo when you have not seen the person? That is very important IMO because when recalling memories we usually associate what happened with the specific sequence, even if telling a story out of order of the entire sequence of events. For example, he talks about seeing them walk away together before he describes it as HB and DS being in the garage.
It is much simpler to say I saw HB and a man in camo walk away, and then refer to them together as "they", than it would be to always state them individually and only give descriptions in certain parts of the retelling. Does that make sense to you? Again, I am not trying to bash CB in any way, but I have found it interesting in how he tells parts of the story and the details he adds to the specific sequence.
Here is a generic story to illustrate my point- A boy and his father go to the circus. The father buys the boy some cotton candy.When they are seated, the boy's pink cotton candy falls to the ground and the father goes to buy him a new one. - I could of said the father bought him pink cotton candy, but the color of the candy was only important when i chose to describe it. It is the same thing with CB. For whatever reason, he retells that sequence of the story in much greater detail than any other, the part he admits to only seeing silhouettes. It is because he chose to do so and I don't have a clue how that relates to being a gifted speaker, but it definitely makes you take more notice to that sequence IMO.

sumzero
09-06-2011, 02:19 PM
I think CB is trying to deflect criticism of his actions. "Why didn't you do more, Clint? Why didn't you go outside?" This is how he explains it: (1) He heard multiple voices outside that he didn't recognize; and (2) he saw two silhouettes in the garage that he couldn't identify. (CB doesn't come right out and say it, but I think he was a bit scared. And the dog was barking. Did it sense trouble?) If CB were to confront these strangers, he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1. What if they were armed? He probably isn't sure what to do. So, he calls (and leaves a message for?) his mother at school. Meanwhile, he's trying to "explain" the situation to himself. Is it Holly and Drew? Are they kneeling over a turkey? (He might at this point be able to discern the camo garb.) And sure enough, he looks again and sees his sister outside with a person he incorrectly identifies (from behind) as her boyfriend. (He can see that he is, indeed, wearing camo garb.) He detects no sign of distress, so he figures it must be Drew. And he drops the matter at that point. (Did his mother then call back a little while later, after she received a message from the neighbor?)

So, I think CB is describing the sequence of events in these interviews in part to defend himself against criticism for his non-action. I reserve the right to change my mind later; but that's how I interpret it. ;)

Disgusted
09-06-2011, 02:30 PM
Are you familiar with septic tanks? The only openings are the commodes, tubs, showers, and sinks via drainage pipes. In order to access the septic they would have to dig up the yard.

That is completely false.

Frogzilla
09-06-2011, 03:15 PM
I think CB is trying to deflect criticism of his actions. "Why didn't you do more, Clint? Why didn't you go outside?" This is how he explains it: (1) He heard multiple voices outside that he didn't recognize; and (2) he saw two silhouettes in the garage that he couldn't identify. (CB doesn't come right out and say it, but I think he was a bit scared. And the dog was barking. Did it sense trouble?) If CB were to confront these strangers, he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1. What if they were armed? He probably isn't sure what to do. So, he calls (and leaves a message for?) his mother at school. Meanwhile, he's trying to "explain" the situation to himself. Is it Holly and Drew? Are they kneeling over a turkey? (He might at this point be able to discern the camo garb.) And sure enough, he looks again and sees his sister outside with a person he incorrectly identifies (from behind) as her boyfriend. (He can see that he is, indeed, wearing camo garb.) He detects no sign of distress, so he figures it must be Drew. And he drops the matter at that point. (Did his mother then call back a little while later, after she received a message from the neighbor?)

So, I think CB is describing the sequence of events in these interviews in part to defend himself against criticism for his non-action. I reserve the right to change my mind later; but that's how I interpret it. ;)
I think you hit on an interesting point here. If CB knew that there were dangerous people in his garage, would that of changed his actions? If you were told there were armed people in your home, how would you react? Would it be different from assuming the strangers are friendlies? This is something I have thought about as well. If you knew your parents should be gone and your sister could of possibly left for school when you were awoken, if you noticed two people in your garage what would you naturally assume? If you thought it was no big deal then just go on with your day not worrying about it. But from what we have been told, this is not what CB does. He calls his mother to ask her who is there and also pays enough attention to see his sister and a man in camo walk away toward the woods. That does not sound like the actions of an unconcerned person. So the versions of story we have heard make it so hard to figure. CB sees people in the garage, talks to his mother and realizes it was HB, but at what point is he informed that the camo man is not DS? We know he talked with his mother before he saw them walking toward the woods, so I can only assume CB was either told by his mother that HB should be at school and that she should not be here. If this is the case, then without any reason for concern, what mother would not ask their adult son to see who these unexpected visitors are? I have thought maybe 911 was called at this time about a possible home invasion, but that throws every other part of the story into chaos. Another possible outcome is that KB ruled out camo man (at this point in the version is an unknown silhouette figure, but in my last couple of posts I am questioning how good of a look CB got at those silhouettes) as DS right then. If that is the case, then CB at the very least should become curious as to who camo man actually is, even if he sees no signs of trouble at that point. The third outcome is complete confusion since CB does not physically see who these people are and makes assumption after assumption and when he talks to his mother, she takes it upon herself to start calling others. Maybe it is at this time that KB talked to DS that morning to find out where he is and this creates a game of playing catch up to everyone who it could logically be that early in the morning at their home. The problem again with this version if there is no reason for concern, why would CB not go see who is there instead of KB calling everyone and very likely wasting a lot of her time when it could of taken CB a minute to find out. From the main story line we have been given the picture has been painted to make it seem like CB had a level of interest in what was happening, but not a level of concern. Couple that with having no version of what happened in CB story after he saw them walk toward the woods together, it leaves the door open for many possible actions after. Things are not always as they appear indeed.

cluciano63
09-06-2011, 03:25 PM
I wish we knew how KB was so positive that Drew could not be at the house. Having spoken to him on the phone would not rule this possibility out, unless of course she knew for a fact he was many miles away at that very instant.

raeann
09-06-2011, 03:32 PM
That is completely false.

I am unsure how to double quote so will just use your response to JeannieC's statement that you would have to dig up the yard to access a septic system.....there must be different varieties of types of tanks used in different areas, because her statement is absolutely true for the kinds of tanks used around here. There is NO outward access unless the tank is dug up....they are completely covered with dirt and grass and other landscaping materials. We own three rural properties right now that are spread over a hundred miles apart in distance, all three properties have septic systems and NONE of them have outward access in any form. None have ever needed to be accessed since we have owned the properties, but IMO it would be far better to have to dig to address a problem, than to EVER have to even think about the grossness of an open access of any kind! There is no "cap" as I have heard described in other cases, no tube above ground, nothing visible or accessible. I am assuming that the different types used must be dependent upon zoning laws, personal preference, etc.

jmo