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bessie
09-20-2011, 08:39 PM
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Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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Plumeria5
09-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Just go to Zillow.com put in the Bobo's address and then towards the bottom is a map you can zoom in on.

Sorry, Whisperer, guess it doesn't come up searching on Zillow. Put in the Bobo's address on Google and the Zillow site will show up in the search. Then when you click on that link it will take you to Zillow. At the bottom of the page is the map you can zoom in on. I would put the link but are we not allowed to show addresses?

Also if you click on "see home on larger map" you will really be able to see the dirt road more clearly.

wfgodot
09-20-2011, 08:51 PM
Thread #29 Round-Up
Missing in Tennessee

Shelly Mook.......204 days
Holly Bobo........160 days
Zaylee Fryar......144 days
Gail Palmgren....139 days

Oriah
09-21-2011, 09:00 AM
Sorry, Whisperer, guess it doesn't come up searching on Zillow. Put in the Bobo's address on Google and the Zillow site will show up in the search. Then when you click on that link it will take you to Zillow. At the bottom of the page is the map you can zoom in on. I would put the link but are we not allowed to show addresses?

Also if you click on "see home on larger map" you will really be able to see the dirt road more clearly.

You can try trulia also. And google earth.

concentric
09-21-2011, 06:26 PM
Below, I've listed some examples of what I've learned, and examples below have no direct bearing on the Holly Bobo case, other than this: Fugitives can and do travel great distances.
Although Holly could be close, she could be far away, and any points in between. We have no further information from LE to assume that she was kept in the immediate area, or if she was, for how long. There is a paucity of info. released to the public from LE. Therefore, she could be anywhere, IMO.

http://valdostadailytimes.com/local/x670925474/Fugitive-Family-Nabbed/print

Valdosta police were among the law-enforcement agencies receiving phoned tips of the Doughertys being in Colorado. The VPD received tips reporting sightings of the siblings in Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, and even California during the past week.
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They committed crimes in numerous states. They were buying camping equipment in CO. They stole cars. They stole license plates and switched them out. What I'm saying is that criminals will go extreme distances and use extreme measures.

Going back to the incident where the young man reported missing a day after Holly disappeared, then emerged a week later from the Smoky Mountains park saying he had been kidnapped by 3 people. In my mind, it's not unthinkable that he could have been accosted by a gang such as this, and his car stolen from a rest stop or camp area. The above gang did want to camp out to stay under the radar. The dates don't match up according to their final escape; however, they did have priors and could have been in other states before that, undetected.

Also, take for example, Joseph Duncan, who went on a long road trip, chose a family, ended up murdering the Groenes, kidnapping their children, camping out, sexually abusing their children, murdering one, and if not for the help of someone at a store, the little girl may also have ended up dead. There are many other examples, and I don't want to get into them now.

I just know someone is going to say: There's no evidence that she was taken out of TN. I will counter that with: There is no evidence that she was not.

~n/t~
09-21-2011, 07:22 PM
I won't disagree. Of course she could be anywhere. Heck, even if the perp is a local, he could've taken her across State lines.

The problem with this case is we have nothing. Clearing the ones close to her would be a start. Regardless of how one feels about the Bobos, it does leave some scratching their heads when LE says CB or DS are not considered suspects and then after the searches were completed come out and say nobody has been ruled out. What changed? What happened?

Will we ever know the truth? Probably not. Just like so many other missing people unless someone stumbles upon the remains. It could be years before we will ever know if they are dead or still alive. If ever. Even when remains are found, some of these poor victims never get justice.

It's very sad.

In the meantime, wish we could get some information. Karen said she was going to get a video of the paraglider searches. I wonder if she did and if there was anything significant. Also, there will be a fundraiser in October. Karen said some of the money will go towards living expenses and the rest for searches. Will they finally hire a reputable SAR team with proper equipment? How about a PI? $100,000 reward is a lot of money!!!

cluciano63
09-21-2011, 07:35 PM
I don't think the reward money, or at least most of it, is available to be spent on searches; the portion from the state ($50K?) is basically theoretical, unless someone finds her and comes forward to claim it.

I don't understand why a group such as Klaas Kids is not being used; Marc helps families who ask him, not just those missing young children. His group is the one behind the successful searches for Michelle Le. At least perhaps they or another such group would be able to clear the areas around the Bobo home once and for all (as far as is possible) so that other areas could be thoroughly searched.

~n/t~
09-21-2011, 08:26 PM
I don't think the reward money, or at least most of it, is available to be spent on searches; the portion from the state ($50K?) is basically theoretical, unless someone finds her and comes forward to claim it.

I don't understand why a group such as Klaas Kids is not being used; Marc helps families who ask him, not just those missing young children. His group is the one behind the successful searches for Michelle Le. At least perhaps they or another such group would be able to clear the areas around the Bobo home once and for all (as far as is possible) so that other areas could be thoroughly searched.

If you were referring to my post about the reward money, I was thinking about a PI. Like someone posted earlier on, even if the Bobos can't afford a PI, $100,000 should be a great incentive for a PI to look for Holly. If he/she finds her, they get the reward.

cluciano63
09-21-2011, 08:43 PM
If you were referring to my post about the reward money, I was thinking about a PI. Like someone posted earlier on, even if the Bobos can't afford a PI, $100,000 should be a great incentive for a PI to look for Holly. If he/she finds her, they get the reward.

But I don't think the State will employ a PI, not when they have entire departments who are supposed to be doing this, and the Bobos can't use that money, as far as I know.

~n/t~
09-21-2011, 08:47 PM
But I don't think the State will employ a PI, not when they have entire departments who are supposed to be doing this, and the Bobos can't use that money, as far as I know.

The State wouldn't have to employ the PI. The PI would work independently and if he finds her is rewarded the money. The PI would be entitled to the reward just as anybody else is. KWIM?

Whisperer
09-21-2011, 09:29 PM
Sorry, Whisperer, guess it doesn't come up searching on Zillow. Put in the Bobo's address on Google and the Zillow site will show up in the search. Then when you click on that link it will take you to Zillow. At the bottom of the page is the map you can zoom in on. I would put the link but are we not allowed to show addresses?

Also if you click on "see home on larger map" you will really be able to see the dirt road more clearly.!

Wow! Thanks Plumeria. So I was right about that logging rd...hmm. It goes to the pond and around their home, past the storage shed and my guess is straight to Swan Johnson Rd. Anyone familiar with property of Bobos would know that road, entrance and exit being the same.

So the perp didn't have to go very far into the woods, if at all, since that dirt road practically meets the storage shed. Great find..Plumeria. Willow shows us much better photography.

Whisperer
09-21-2011, 09:36 PM
I won't disagree. Of course she could be anywhere. Heck, even if the perp is a local, he could've taken her across State lines.

The problem with this case is we have nothing. Clearing the ones close to her would be a start. Regardless of how one feels about the Bobos, it does leave some scratching their heads when LE says CB or DS are not considered suspects and then after the searches were completed come out and say nobody has been ruled out. What changed? What happened?

Will we ever know the truth? Probably not. Just like so many other missing people unless someone stumbles upon the remains. It could be years before we will ever know if they are dead or still alive. If ever. Even when remains are found, some of these poor victims never get justice.

It's very sad.

In the meantime, wish we could get some information. Karen said she was going to get a video of the paraglider searches. I wonder if she did and if there was anything significant. Also, there will be a fundraiser in October. Karen said some of the money will go towards living expenses and the rest for searches. Will they finally hire a reputable SAR team with proper equipment? How about a PI? $100,000 reward is a lot of money!!!

Exactly how much are their living expenses? Their house is not of high value. I think Karen can retire from the State and collect most of her income. She may be on some sort of disability which in most states pays 3/4 of your income and not taxed. Dana is working. I don't get it. I don't know about the rest of you think or feel, but it looks like they have received an awful lot of money.

SmoothOperator
09-21-2011, 09:40 PM
Can someone please, pretty please post a pic from zillow showing the logging road that as some may remember I was literally dying to find more about..lol.. I am only via mobile these days due to virus ate my laptop.. And my iPhone as we all know is an apple product which stupidly is not compliant with Flash.. Which is what zillow uses :(..
Will someone please post me some picks of the logging road?? I'm desperate to see it.. Lol.. Pretty please with sugar on top!!

Whisperer
09-21-2011, 09:41 PM
I wonder why no one spoke of that dirt road behind the house. So she could have been whisked away very quickly w/o being seen. The trees were thick once the road reaches the storage shed at the back of the house. No one would see the vehicle there.

Whisperer
09-21-2011, 09:44 PM
Here ya go Smooth..it won't let me post the pic. It says it's adobe flash.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/681-Swan-Johnson-Rd-Darden-TN-38328/41208334_zpid/

..click 3/4 way down. You will see the house and road. You can click on link that suggest a larger view.

Plumeria5
09-21-2011, 09:48 PM
!

Wow! Thanks Plumeria. So I was right about that logging rd...hmm. It goes to the pond and around their home, past the storage shed and my guess is straight to Swan Johnson Rd. Anyone familiar with property of Bobos would know that road, entrance and exit being the same.

So the perp didn't have to go very far into the woods, if at all, since that dirt road practically meets the storage shed. Great find..Plumeria. Willow shows us much better photography.

You're welcome, Whisperer. I was so surprised how clearly you could see that road. And, it made me think about why it would be possible that it looked like Holly was walking into the woods but the car/truck could have been parked just out of sight. I wish we knew when the scream happened. If she were in a car/truck/vehicle of some kind it is possible that the south neighbor could have heard when they were driving close to their house to Swan Johnson and that could have been why Clint didn't hear. But, it is all about the timing of when the scream was heard and when the calls were made.

JeannieC
09-21-2011, 09:50 PM
Below, I've listed some examples of what I've learned, and examples below have no direct bearing on the Holly Bobo case, other than this: Fugitives can and do travel great distances.
Although Holly could be close, she could be far away, and any points in between. We have no further information from LE to assume that she was kept in the immediate area, or if she was, for how long. There is a paucity of info. released to the public from LE. Therefore, she could be anywhere, IMO.

http://valdostadailytimes.com/local/x670925474/Fugitive-Family-Nabbed/print

Valdosta police were among the law-enforcement agencies receiving phoned tips of the Doughertys being in Colorado. The VPD received tips reporting sightings of the siblings in Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, and even California during the past week.
-------------
They committed crimes in numerous states. They were buying camping equipment in CO. They stole cars. They stole license plates and switched them out. What I'm saying is that criminals will go extreme distances and use extreme measures.

Going back to the incident where the young man reported missing a day after Holly disappeared, then emerged a week later from the Smoky Mountains park saying he had been kidnapped by 3 people. In my mind, it's not unthinkable that he could have been accosted by a gang such as this, and his car stolen from a rest stop or camp area. The above gang did want to camp out to stay under the radar. The dates don't match up according to their final escape; however, they did have priors and could have been in other states before that, undetected.

Also, take for example, Joseph Duncan, who went on a long road trip, chose a family, ended up murdering the Groenes, kidnapping their children, camping out, sexually abusing their children, murdering one, and if not for the help of someone at a store, the little girl may also have ended up dead. There are many other examples, and I don't want to get into them now.

I just know someone is going to say: There's no evidence that she was taken out of TN. I will counter that with: There is no evidence that she was not.

I can agree with everything you said but might add, the young man admitted he lied about his abduction. He went to court last week after being charged with filing a false police report.

I still question what he was doing in the mountains so close to Tenn and exactly when was the last time he was seen. He was reported missing on the day after HB went missing. He was last seen around 10:45 but it doesn't say am or pm or on what date.

Something seems strange about the whole thing. Also, where is his car?

Anyone like FISH!

JeannieC
09-21-2011, 09:54 PM
The State wouldn't have to employ the PI. The PI would work independently and if he finds her is rewarded the money. The PI would be entitled to the reward just as anybody else is. KWIM?

PI working Pro Bono.......

Whisperer
09-21-2011, 09:58 PM
Can anyone post the pic on zillow for Smooth? I can't seem to find a way to do it..

Plumeria5
09-21-2011, 10:01 PM
http://www.zillow.com/homes/41208334_zpid/

Logging road photo.

~n/t~
09-21-2011, 10:08 PM
I wonder why no one spoke of that dirt road behind the house. So she could have been whisked away very quickly w/o being seen. The trees were thick once the road reaches the storage shed at the back of the house. No one would see the vehicle there.

Didn't Clint mention the road in one of the interviews?:waitasec:

JeannieC
09-21-2011, 10:10 PM
Didn't Clint mention the road in one of the interviews?:waitasec:

Yes, he said they were walking toward the path that lead to the old logging road.

Plumeria5
09-21-2011, 10:11 PM
Didn't Clint mention the road in one of the interviews?:waitasec:

I think he did but I was imagining the road going straight north into the woods not around to the south which isn't that hidden once you wind around their property.

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 02:59 AM
Thanks so much for trying guys :blowkisses:
Me via mobile I still can't see it due to being on apple iPhone that won't allow Flash(ridiculous).. Thanks so much for trying for me..((((HUGS))))

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 03:42 AM
So this is the best I could do with what I have to work with on Google Earth.. Would someone lemme know it the light pink line represents anything close where the logging road is?? If not maybe could explain where it is from the pic below.. Again thanks so much for attempting to post pic of logging road for me..
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb414/jessigirl1798/b5663588.jpg

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:41 AM
To me, it appears the logging road (in pink above) goes along the Bobo property and curves around the shed and if you look closely, you can almost see it through some trees. On other photos, at least to me, it appears to cut through to the road which is Swan Johnson Rd.

I originally thought there was only one exit out, to the North of the Bobo prop. but it appears, you could access it at abou the pond area and exit it a little to the North of their propery.

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:43 AM
This logging road mystery sure resolves some issues I had with trying to picture the crime scene. I can see now how easily a car could hide and be close to the property.

JeannieC
09-22-2011, 05:54 AM
This logging road mystery sure resolves some issues I had with trying to picture the crime scene. I can see now how easily a car could hide and be close to the property.

I know what you mean. I agree there is a another way out that we weren't seeing before. Much quicker than going through the forrest. That could also explain how the neighbor heard her scream and CB didn't.

Oriah
09-22-2011, 08:43 AM
Ya'll, I kind of want to caution about assuming the route marked around the pond is the logging road in question.

There are several others that are not visible via satellite- which would put the direction of travel in the opposite direction.

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 03:04 PM
The google earth picture isnt claiming that the pink line is the actual logging road, bUT rather is only a guesstimate at where the logging road might be. In the post that has the photo I am asking is this anywhere near where it appears the logging road is according to the zillow images..

Hope That Helps to clear up that the image does not claim to be a perfect representation of the logging road but rather asking is it near representing where it appears to be on zillow(which is thoroughly discussed in the dialogue of the ^above^ posts)

Oriah
09-22-2011, 03:20 PM
SmoothOperator, I understand.
I just wanted to caution against folks assuming that the above mentioned is the logging trail that has been discussed. There are several others that run parallel and around and a bit behind the rear of the Bobo residence, and also several offshoots of those that run N/SW, that would be considered 'trails'. They intersect to other logging roads/firebreaks.

So I just wanted to clarify that.

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 03:41 PM
I am not sure I understand why the location and/or existence of a logging road or trail is important at this late date...clearly Holly was taken away in a vehicle, IMO. I imagine the area close to the home, anyway, has been thoroughly searched. Once she was gone, she was gone.

Is the reason this is important because some may not have known that such a road/trail existed and so should narrow the suspect pool? Or is this trail one anyone could have found if looking for a place from which to stalk Holly? I'm just confused. I know everything is important, but not really getting this bit about the trail.

wfgodot
09-22-2011, 03:53 PM
Early case tweeter/newsman Will Nunley seems to have left WBBJ in Jackson per his latest Twitter info, and is touting Nashville WSMV's coverage:

willnunley Will Nunley
Thank you to those who follow me, I will do my best to keep tabs on the case. I also thank @WSMV for being a trusted friend of the community
2 hours ago

willnunley Will Nunley
I encourage all of you to follow @WSMV for continued Holly Bobo case updates and community information.
2 hours ago

https://twitter.com/#!/willnunley

kas227
09-22-2011, 04:53 PM
18779

Here is the Zillow map picture. I'm working on a closer view.

kas227
09-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Here is a closer view.

18780

kas227
09-22-2011, 05:07 PM
Here is lower part of last picture showing the pond and road around it back out to the road.

18781

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:18 PM
Ya'll, I kind of want to caution about assuming the route marked around the pond is the logging road in question.

There are several others that are not visible via satellite- which would put the direction of travel in the opposite direction.
Thanks Oriah. Hearing Clint describe it, I was getting the image that they were stomping about in the woods like Hansel and Gretal. When in fact, they didn't have to go through much at all if any, if that road is drivable.

I didn't think the road went completely around the pond before Smooth posted the pic with the pink line. I don't know what that area is between the road and the pond next to Sway Johnson rd. It looks rocky and quarry-like.

There still may be only one exit North of the house. When you look @ other maps, one can see some clearing. It is like a puzzle because all the trees are bunched together like heads of broccoli. However, if you look closely you can almost see some wiggle line parts amongst the dense trees.

Still can't wrap my head why anyone would care to live in the middle of the wilderness. They go in clear out a bunch of trees, build the house, get guns and shoot all the animal that lived there before they built the house.:banghead: Of course we do that to some extent whenever a construction company starts up..but it is usually only rats that perish when you build in the city.

Looking at that area from a bird's eye view scares the jeebies out of me...but I'm a city girl.

TxLady2
09-22-2011, 05:19 PM
The State wouldn't have to employ the PI. The PI would work independently and if he finds her is rewarded the money. The PI would be entitled to the reward just as anybody else is. KWIM?

What PI is going to work independently? They work for money, and without some guarantee they will get paid, they won't do the work. He sure isn't going to take on a case with a "maybe" he'll get the reward money.
And not many people trust one who just inserts himself into a case. How much good did a PI do in the Haleigh Cummings case? None. Look at the problems the PI created in the Caylee Anthony case. I'm sure the Bobos don't want to deal with that kind of mess.

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:24 PM
When you think about it and it was an abduction, it makes sense to park on the North of the property. There are no neighbors anywhere in sight vs. the South where the two homes look rather close, wilderness-wize.

Due to the searchers and the evidence found, I am pretty convinced they went North on Swan Johnson and then right on route 40 to Hwy 69 in Parsons. passed the school, LE station, funeral home, rock quarry, throwing out items of interest. Does the perp live in Parsons? I get the impression that was the comfort zone because that is where the evidence was strewn.

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:33 PM
What PI is going to work independently? They work for money, and without some guarantee they will get paid, they won't do the work. He sure isn't going to take on a case with a "maybe" he'll get the reward money.
And not many people trust one who just inserts himself into a case. How much good did a PI do in the Haleigh Cummings case? None. Look at the problems the PI created in the Caylee Anthony case. I'm sure the Bobos don't want to deal with that kind of mess.

In my opinion they could hire search teams from any of the major teams and search the parson's area where the evidence was found. Bodies are often found in places LE have already searched.

I have not heard the Bobos ever ask about the professionals coming in. This should have done in the very beginning. :banghead:

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Here is lower part of last picture showing the pond and road around it back out to the road.

18781

You are a genius! :great:

...Smooth Operator will love this pic. Is it possible to capture the top portion where the house and shed are?

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 05:52 PM
In my opinion they could hire search teams from any of the major teams and search the parson's area where the evidence was found. Bodies are often found in places LE have already searched.

I have not heard the Bobos ever ask about the professionals coming in. This should have done in the very beginning. :banghead:

Why they haven't contacted Klaas Kids is beyond me...they would have come right away and helped them, trained them, etc...

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 06:15 PM
SmoothOperator, I understand.
I just wanted to caution against folks assuming that the above mentioned is the logging trail that has been discussed. There are several others that run parallel and around and a bit behind the rear of the Bobo residence, and also several offshoots of those that run N/SW, that would be considered 'trails'. They intersect to other logging roads/firebreaks.

So I just wanted to clarify that.

Ok, gotcha!! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't thought that the photo was a representation of the logging road but rather my trying to figure out exactly where the logging road(s) exist and run.. Thanks always for your much appreciated help:)

Plumeria5
09-22-2011, 06:23 PM
I am not sure I understand why the location and/or existence of a logging road or trail is important at this late date...clearly Holly was taken away in a vehicle, IMO. I imagine the area close to the home, anyway, has been thoroughly searched. Once she was gone, she was gone.

Is the reason this is important because some may not have known that such a road/trail existed and so should narrow the suspect pool? Or is this trail one anyone could have found if looking for a place from which to stalk Holly? I'm just confused. I know everything is important, but not really getting this bit about the trail.

For me it made Clint's account more clear. If they went south around the pond then I could see how Clint did not hear the scream but possibly the south neighbor was the one who did.

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 07:06 PM
What PI is going to work independently? They work for money, and without some guarantee they will get paid, they won't do the work. He sure isn't going to take on a case with a "maybe" he'll get the reward money.
And not many people trust one who just inserts himself into a case. How much good did a PI do in the Haleigh Cummings case? None. Look at the problems the PI created in the Caylee Anthony case. I'm sure the Bobos don't want to deal with that kind of mess.

ok forget the PI then. Why bother

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 07:08 PM
If the car was hidden near the home, I would think there would be tire tracks.

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 07:09 PM
ok forget the PI then. Why bother

A PI is a good idea in some cases; but they do cost money, and in this case, the other factor is I can't see LE cooperating with or working with a PI at all, JMO, or even the locals doing so. Everyone seems very closed-mouth.

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 07:22 PM
A PI is a good idea in some cases; but they do cost money, and in this case, the other factor is I can't see LE cooperating with or working with a PI at all, JMO, or even the locals doing so. Everyone seems very closed-mouth.

A PI doesn't necessarily have to get cooperation from LE. They work with the family. Yes, it helps if LE gets involved but if not, the heck with them. Like I posted earlier on regarding Ken Brennan, he threw out the witness statements and the victim's account of what happened and started from scratch. He was successful and the perp caught. He looked at every detail (almost OCD) about the case.

Sometimes all you need is a new set of eyes.

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 07:36 PM
OMG kas227 you are the bomb!!!!!!!!
As whisp said, a true genius!!!

I finally can see the road!!

Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!!!!!!

JeannieC
09-22-2011, 07:42 PM
A PI doesn't necessarily have to get cooperation from LE. They work with the family. Yes, it helps if LE gets involved but if not, the heck with them. Like I posted earlier on regarding Ken Brennan, he threw out the witness statements and the victim's account of what happened and started from scratch. He was successful and the perp caught. He looked at every detail (almost OCD) about the case.

Sometimes all you need is a new set of eyes.

I agree. Someone who isn't thinking "this is what happened, how it happened, and this is the direction the investigation will go". jmo

Carla Lashelle
09-22-2011, 07:53 PM
The problem even a PI will face is that aside from some details the family may provide that have not been made available to the general public, the PI will be hamstrung by the lack of details and continuity of events we are here.

OldSteve
09-22-2011, 08:00 PM
Early case tweeter/newsman Will Nunley seems to have left WBBJ in Jackson per his latest Twitter info, and is touting Nashville WSMV's coverage:

willnunley Will Nunley
Thank you to those who follow me, I will do my best to keep tabs on the case. I also thank @WSMV for being a trusted friend of the community
2 hours ago

willnunley Will Nunley
I encourage all of you to follow @WSMV for continued Holly Bobo case updates and community information.
2 hours ago

https://twitter.com/#!/willnunley

Seems like a step up for Will - glad to hear this. WSMV, the home of the Grand Ole Orpy!

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 08:21 PM
The problem even a PI will face is that aside from some details the family may provide that have not been made available to the general public, the PI will be hamstrung by the lack of details and continuity of events we are here.

Agreed, and I also believe a PI needs some level of cooperation with the community to be of any use, especially if LE is not cooperating. I am not sure what a PI could do with what the Bobo family has released as what happened that day.

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 08:26 PM
IMO, the Bobos have a lot more information than we are privy to. For example, the blood being Holly's. We were told by Holly's dad through an interview. I'm not sure if he was even supposed to reveal that information.

I think they know if Holly's cellphone was recovered or not and I'm sure they know if and what other items were recovered. A PI can get phone records or computer records or whatever else they may require to do an in depth investigation.

But what the heck do I know. It sounds like some think it's a ridiculous idea. LOL

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 08:36 PM
I don't think a PI is a ridiculous idea, I just don't see how they can afford a decent one, if they are not working and the money coming in is for their survival, for one thing. They don't have access to the reward money for other uses, as far as I know. PI's won't work on a contingency basis, they want money up front.

I do think they should have made use of group such as Klaas Kids way back at the start, as soon as LE stopped their searches.

If LE has not been able to figure out who did this from her cell records, and whatever else they are keeping under their vests, I am not sure a PI could either. But of course, it would not hurt to have one , if there was a way to pay for it.

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 08:43 PM
Holly Bobo Thoughts and Comments Wanted by Jackson Sun


If you have ideas on the investigation and details surrounding the disappearance and alleged abduction of Holly Bobo, then why not share them with this print newspaper source? The worst that can happen is your comments aren't collaborated in the story collection the newspaper is planning. The best case scenario is you could lend in helping solve this mysterious missing persons case.


http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980367884


Good luck!

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 08:49 PM
I don't think a PI is a ridiculous idea, I just don't see how they can afford a decent one, if they are not working and the money coming in is for their survival, for one thing. They don't have access to the reward money for other uses, as far as I know. PI's won't work on a contingency basis, they want money up front.

I do think they should have made use of group such as Klaas Kids way back at the start, as soon as LE stopped their searches.

If LE has not been able to figure out who did this from her cell records, and whatever else they are keeping under their vests, I am not sure a PI could either. But of course, it would not hurt to have one , if there was a way to pay for it.

With all due respect, you don't know if a PI would be willing to do it pro bono or not. I know Brennan won't and he admitted it but he's not the only PI out there. Defense attornies take on cases pro bono so I don't see why a PI wouldn't, if asked. But again, it's up to the family to initiate it. It was just a suggestion on my part.

As for Klaas Kids or TES not being asked to help is another mystery.

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 08:50 PM
I agree with ya, n/t.. I do believe there is a whole heckuva alot that can be done there on the ground in and around Darden.. Most importantly IMO would be retracing Holly's days and weeks leading up to the abduction.. This is so imperative and who knows whether it's even been done at all.. I know that so much can be derived from tracing her steps backward.. An FBI investigator stated early on that this was the key to solving the case.. This case can be solved but its definitely gotta be worked!!

And I believe at this point the Bobos would be very willing to assist thoroughly in a good PI in getting every shred that they can possibly give him and help him.. Such as encouraging Holly's friends and bf, Drew especially to fully cooperate with the PI in their retracing Holly's steps.. The family, friends, and bf would be THE ONLYS ONES who would have the ability to retrace those days and weeks leading up to the abduction..

Plumeria5
09-22-2011, 08:59 PM
I agree with ya, n/t.. I do believe there is a whole heckuva alot that can be done there on the ground in and around Darden.. Most importantly IMO would be retracing Holly's days and weeks leading up to the abduction.. This is so imperative and who knows whether it's even been done at all.. I know that so much can be derived from tracing her steps backward.. An FBI investigator stated early on that this was the key to solving the case.. This case can be solved but its definitely gotta be worked!!

And I believe at this point the Bobos would be very willing to assist thoroughly in a good PI in getting every shred that they can possibly give him and help him.. Such as encouraging Holly's friend and bf, Drew especially to fully cooperate with the PI in their retracing Holly's steps.. The family, friends, and bf would be THE ONLYS ONES who would have the ability to retrace those days and weeks leading up to the case..
I agree. Really what is there to lose? She's gone! Even if my little dog were missing I would use every resource possible to find her.

cluciano63
09-22-2011, 09:02 PM
Well, then they should hold a fundraiser for PI expenses...

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 09:03 PM
Well, then they should hold a fundraiser for PI expenses...

or professional SAR team

~n/t~
09-22-2011, 09:09 PM
Just speculating: Perhaps getting a SAR team would mean admitting Holly is dead and the Bobos won't go there yet. Could be one of the reasons they haven't.

On the other hand, if Holly was murdered, the longer they wait, the chances of finding her or getting justice for her will be slim to none.

Plumeria5
09-22-2011, 09:12 PM
Just speculating: Perhaps getting a SAR team would mean admitting Holly is dead and the Bobos won't go there yet. Could be one of the reasons they haven't.

On the other hand, if Holly was murdered, the longer they wait, the chances of finding her or getting justice for her will be slim to none.

Unfortunately I think the family may need to accept that reality. Fall is here. Snow is coming. They should be searching now.

SmoothOperator
09-22-2011, 09:16 PM
Exactly how much are their living expenses? Their house is not of high value. I think Karen can retire from the State and collect most of her income. She may be on some sort of disability which in most states pays 3/4 of your income and not taxed. Dana is working. I don't get it. I don't know about the rest of you think or feel, but it looks like they have received an awful lot of money.

I agree in that I was jaw droopingly shocked that according to zillow we are talking mortgage note of $250.. I literally tapped on the number to blow it up to extra large size to make sure I was seeing the correct numbers and not missing a zero on the end..

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 10:29 PM
Well, then they should hold a fundraiser for PI expenses...

...another fundraiser??:banghead:

Whisperer
09-22-2011, 10:31 PM
I agree in that I was jaw droopingly shocked that according to zillow we are talking mortgage note of $250.. I literally tapped on the number to blow it up to extra large size to make sure I was seeing the correct numbers and not missing a zero on the end..

I bet the home is already paid off or almost paid off. Do we know what that place would have cost 25 yrs ago? I assume they have lived there all that time..I could be wrong.

I reserve my pity for those who pay mortgages over $3,000.00 if you could find one here ...:floorlaugh:

Snowbunny
09-22-2011, 11:21 PM
Unfortunately I think the family may need to accept that reality. Fall is here. Snow is coming. They should be searching now.

Tennessee doesn't get much snow to speak of and if they do its gone within hours.

obody
09-22-2011, 11:31 PM
IMO, the Bobos have a lot more information than we are privy to. For example, the blood being Holly's. We were told by Holly's dad through an interview. I'm not sure if he was even supposed to reveal that information.

I think they know if Holly's cellphone was recovered or not and I'm sure they know if and what other items were recovered. A PI can get phone records or computer records or whatever else they may require to do an in depth investigation.

But what the heck do I know. It sounds like some think it's a ridiculous idea. LOL



Given that Holly's dad disappeared from the interview after letting it slip about the blood, I've wondered what else they were concerned about him saying.

Whisperer
09-23-2011, 03:42 AM
Given that Holly's dad disappeared from the interview after letting it slip about the blood, I've wondered what else they were concerned about him saying.

me too....

Whisperer
09-23-2011, 03:47 AM
How many searches were done close to the Bobo Property line? Were cadaver dogs brought in? Out here we just found one in a spot where LE has already searched....the Amber Rescue Team found her....and the dog wasn't even certified to my kge. Amber's mother found her...her lab found the body and came running back all excited and led her to the body.

Imagine the mother of a missing child finding a missing person....Wow!

Couldn't they have taken the family dog or the retriever out there looking for Holly? I wonder if they did.

JeannieC
09-23-2011, 03:57 AM
How many searches were done close to the Bobo Property line? Were cadaver dogs brought in? Out here we just found one in a spot where LE has already searched....the Amber Rescue Team found her....and the dog wasn't even certified to my kge. Amber's mother found her...her lab found the body and came running back all excited and led her to the body.

Imagine the mother of a missing child finding a missing person....Wow!

Couldn't they have taken the family dog or the retriever out there looking for Holly? I wonder if they did.

I bet they didn't. If they had done it soon after she disappeared the dog might have tracked her. My dog tracks me. I play hide and seek with her and I have my grandchildren do it to. She will look until she finds us. Someone told me to do that to train her to look for us. I hope I never have to find out if it works but she does sniff around and gets praised when she finds us.

Now I'm working with her on hiding her toys.

JeannieC
09-23-2011, 04:00 AM
How many searches were done close to the Bobo Property line? Were cadaver dogs brought in? Out here we just found one in a spot where LE has already searched....the Amber Rescue Team found her....and the dog wasn't even certified to my kge. Amber's mother found her...her lab found the body and came running back all excited and led her to the body.

Imagine the mother of a missing child finding a missing person....Wow!

Couldn't they have taken the family dog or the retriever out there looking for Holly? I wonder if they did.

I don't think they have used dogs because the searches they did were to find her alive or find evidence. I think someone mentioned that not long ago. I would think they would be doing searches with canine units now but I don't think her family is willing to accept that she might be deceased. jmo

JeannieC
09-23-2011, 04:02 AM
me too....

That explains what I had questioned earlier, why wasn't he in front of the cameras anymore. Makes sense to me! Thanks

JeannieC
09-23-2011, 04:05 AM
Here's a map of all the searches. It doesn't mention dogs but it doesn't mention atv's and horses either so who knows.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.006571,0.016394&z=17

cluciano63
09-23-2011, 04:09 AM
I don't think they have used dogs because the searches they did were to find her alive or find evidence. I think someone mentioned that not long ago. I would think they would be doing searches with canine units now but I don't think her family is willing to accept that she might be deceased. jmo

What does her father hope to find that would lead to Holly by looking in the woods and fields? If a school book, for example, is found, how does that lead to Holly? I think he is probably just searching to be doing something, but they really need to use cadaver dogs, by now, if they haven't. I can't imagine that they would want her to be out there, deceased, any longer than necessary, if she is, no matter how impossible it might be to accept that she could be dead.

JeannieC
09-23-2011, 04:11 AM
How many searches were done close to the Bobo Property line? Were cadaver dogs brought in? Out here we just found one in a spot where LE has already searched....the Amber Rescue Team found her....and the dog wasn't even certified to my kge. Amber's mother found her...her lab found the body and came running back all excited and led her to the body.

Imagine the mother of a missing child finding a missing person....Wow!

Couldn't they have taken the family dog or the retriever out there looking for Holly? I wonder if they did.

That would be devastating. Bless her heart.

Oriah
09-23-2011, 09:01 AM
Ok, gotcha!! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't thought that the photo was a representation of the logging road but rather my trying to figure out exactly where the logging road(s) exist and run.. Thanks always for your much appreciated help:)

No worries, Smooth. I understand- and it certainly is a likely and good assumption given the satellite views.
However, there ARE other trails that cannot be well seen from the air- and some that cannot be seen at all unless on the ground.
My personal opinion is that CB was not referring to the 'road' around the body of water, but one that runs parallel behind the residence, and loops N with an outlet to Swan Johnson.
That route has several sort of 'offshoots' that go (for the most part) NW and W.
I don't like to say this, but I believe there is a decent chance Holly is somewhere in that direction. I very much hope I am wrong. :(

And slightly O/T- but the questions raised about why professional SAR has not been requested. (Not in reference to your post, Smooth- it comes up in a lot of cases) and I feel like it should be addressed.

First of all, we do not know that to be the case. Professional SAR teams deploy frequently without notifying the public.
Secondly, many families and friends of missing persons do not know such assistance is even available. WE all do, but not everyone is a WS guru. :)
Most of the time, people are going about their daily lives until all of a sudden- poof. Someone they love disappears. They haven't even thought about it as a possibility. It's a little bit like, say, going to the doctor because you have a stomachache and having them tell you that you have leiomyosarcoma. And being expected to know first of all what that is- and what to do about it. Kwim?
In addition to that, professional SAR IMO should not be 'soliciting' cases. So unless a family or local LE is knowledgeable of that resource...it often goes unused.

MOO, of course.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 10:12 AM
Sorry. I do not believe they are not aware of SAR teams. Furthermore, if a professional SAR team was involved in the case, no doubt the Jackson Sun would have reported.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 10:14 AM
To clarify, this is not what I would consider professional SAR team

Solidarity: The local community organized a search party after learning that Holly Bobo had been abducted

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377604/Searchers-missing-Holly-Bobos-lunchbox.html#ixzz1YmjRskDw

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/15/article-1377276-0BA4EED400000578-207_634x402.jpg

TxLady2
09-23-2011, 11:13 AM
IMO, the Bobos have a lot more information than we are privy to. For example, the blood being Holly's. We were told by Holly's dad through an interview. I'm not sure if he was even supposed to reveal that information.

I think they know if Holly's cellphone was recovered or not and I'm sure they know if and what other items were recovered. A PI can get phone records or computer records or whatever else they may require to do an in depth investigation.

But what the heck do I know. It sounds like some think it's a ridiculous idea. LOL

HOW can a PI get phone and computer records, when LE has to have a warrant to get them? I guess if he's working for the family, the family could give him permission, but if he's working on his own, they likely would not hand them over.

I wouldn't call the idea ridiculous, exactly, as long as this PI is just looking for Holly. I dislike the idea of one thinking that they can solve the whole case, because that rarely happens in real life.

IMO, it's best to let LE handle the investigation, because it's all legal and aboveboard, and they have access to so many databases that a PI just would not have. Not to mention that it has to hold up in court, if it ever gets to that point.

kas227
09-23-2011, 11:30 AM
OMG kas227 you are the bomb!!!!!!!!
As whisp said, a true genius!!!

I finally can see the road!!

Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!!!!!!

:blushing: Ahhhh shucks!

Thanks ... it's not easy being geeky. LOL

If you need additional views, I will see if I can get them for you. Just let me know which one you need.

Oriah
09-23-2011, 11:32 AM
That is a picture of a local volunteer effort.

There is a very good chance that there is no way we will know if a professional SAR team was- is- or is expected to be- brought in for Holly's case.


To clarify, this is not what I would consider professional SAR team

Solidarity: The local community organized a search party after learning that Holly Bobo had been abducted

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377604/Searchers-missing-Holly-Bobos-lunchbox.html#ixzz1YmjRskDw

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/15/article-1377276-0BA4EED400000578-207_634x402.jpg

Oriah
09-23-2011, 11:34 AM
Sorry. I do not believe they are not aware of SAR teams. Furthermore, if a professional SAR team was involved in the case, no doubt the Jackson Sun would have reported.

Why not?

kas227
09-23-2011, 11:36 AM
Tennessee doesn't get much snow to speak of and if they do its gone within hours.

I agree. I'm from northwestern middle TN. Although we got more snow there, it didn't stay that long.

kas227
09-23-2011, 11:40 AM
You are a genius! :great:

...Smooth Operator will love this pic. Is it possible to capture the top portion where the house and shed are?

I will try. I may loose some of the quality due to the resolution but I'll get one up ASAP.

kas227
09-23-2011, 12:44 PM
I wasn't able to get as close using Zillow but I was able to get some shots of the property that was taken during the Fall when the leaves were off the trees. You can see the lay of the land much better.

18806

Here is a closer view. And I noticed what appears to be some buildings in the woods that were not visible on Zillow. Not sure what they are but they appear to be part of the Bobo property. I circled it in blue.

18807

There is a good website in which you can see clear images and where I got these above.

tnmap.tn.gov/assessment

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 12:45 PM
HOW can a PI get phone and computer records, when LE has to have a warrant to get them? I guess if he's working for the family, the family could give him permission, but if he's working on his own, they likely would not hand them over.

I wouldn't call the idea ridiculous, exactly, as long as this PI is just looking for Holly. I dislike the idea of one thinking that they can solve the whole case, because that rarely happens in real life.

IMO, it's best to let LE handle the investigation, because it's all legal and aboveboard, and they have access to so many databases that a PI just would not have. Not to mention that it has to hold up in court, if it ever gets to that point.

I believe I mentioned in my post that the PI would work with the family. Sometimes LE get tunnel vision and neglect, ignore or miss some very important clues in which a new, fresh set of eyes will spot.

Ummm.....PI's have solved cases and were able to help solve crimes and get convictions in court. I don't think your last sentence is correct.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 12:50 PM
Why not?

They knew of Nancy Grace. They knew of JVM. <modsnip>? :rocker:

Oriah
09-23-2011, 02:05 PM
They knew of Nancy Grace. They knew of JVM. <modsnip>? :rocker:

In our many years of professional SAR, I can't tell you how many families, loved ones, and LE have contacted us days, weeks, months, and years later starting out by saying:
"We didn't know. We just didn't know. We had no idea- can you help us? Please?"

Just sayin.

Salem
09-23-2011, 03:25 PM
WS does not condone posters contacting family members - not even in jest. We also do not ask personal questions of other members. We treat each other respectfully and remember that when we are posting others can not see our facial expression, hear our voice inflections or see our body language and therefore we must rely upon the written word for its meaning.

That means sometimes jokes don't come across as funny.

Salem

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 03:28 PM
I apologize. Oriah posted she was a professional SAR like Klaas Kids or TES. I misunderstood.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 03:32 PM
Wasn't trying to be funny. I was serious about the Bobos being made aware of SAR teams if they weren't.

Maybe I'll try FB. :seeya:

cluciano63
09-23-2011, 08:46 PM
Wasn't trying to be funny. I was serious about the Bobos being made aware of SAR teams if they weren't.

Maybe I'll try FB. :seeya:

The Jackson Sun is actually asking for opinions and comments on the case; maybe that would be the place to suggest various options? I don't know who they are doing it for, but at least it would be a place to suggest things.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 09:04 PM
The Jackson Sun is actually asking for opinions and comments on the case; maybe that would be the place to suggest various options? I don't know who they are doing it for, but at least it would be a place to suggest things.

I sent a message to the Bring Holly Bobo Home FB page.

~n/t~
09-23-2011, 09:07 PM
They used experienced search teams from East TN. :dunno:

Whisperer
09-23-2011, 09:52 PM
Is anyone from the family ever going to go back on TV? I am sure there are grandmoms and grandpas and cousins, etc. not to mention her Boyfriend. They are silent. This case has enough going on to keep it in the news. It has staying power... Yet, for some reason, they are not taking advantage of it.

Oriah
09-24-2011, 05:52 AM
I'm looking at a possible route of travel that maybe a local could help out with?

If you were to take 412 (from Darden) and then take a left onto Middleburg (114) what is in the Chesterfield area in terms of a convenience store? Anything?

Also, if continuing south on Middleburg, but before you reach Powers Cemetary (not the circle, the rd) is the quarry to the east active? TIA if anyone knows this.

Oriah
09-24-2011, 07:12 AM
They used experienced search teams from East TN. :dunno:

Yes. And several other teams as well.

As I mentioned earlier, SAR deployments are not always announced publically.

Keep in mind that when LE believes a victim of an abduction may be alive, they usually do not like to advertise the direction of a search. So often, those details are not released to the public.

~n/t~
09-24-2011, 08:42 AM
Yes. And several other teams as well.

As I mentioned earlier, SAR deployments are not always announced publically.

Keep in mind that when LE believes a victim of an abduction may be alive, they usually do not like to advertise the direction of a search. So often, those details are not released to the public.

Do you know if the others were local as well?

Oriah
09-24-2011, 08:53 AM
Do you know if the others were local as well?

Do you mean other SAR teams?

~n/t~
09-24-2011, 09:02 AM
Do you mean other SAR teams?

Yes. You mentioned there were others as well so wondered if they were local.

BeanE
09-24-2011, 10:02 AM
willnunley Will Nunley
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willnunley Will Nunley
I have worked closely with @WSMV and I trust they will keep you updated on the case, as I move on from my previous station. #hollybobo
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willnunley Will Nunley
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~n/t~
09-24-2011, 10:47 AM
Any idea what he means by an important resource?

~n/t~
09-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Tennessee Abduction Suspect Dead


Mount Juliet is only two hours away from where Holly Bobo vanished in April of this year. The 20-year old missing nursing student still hasn't been found, and the TBI believe that whoever allegedly abducted the woman is still in the Decatur County area. Mount Juliet may not be right in the county, but the fact remains that this man abducted a woman not far from a town that is experiencing a missing persons case that is growing colder by the minute.




Wow. Anybody think this guy could've been Holly's abductor?

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980385567

~n/t~
09-24-2011, 11:19 AM
“The subject was a registered sex offender and already had priors including simple assault, sexual assault and aggravated sexual assault," said Henry Randall, Aberdeen Chief of Police.




http://www.monroe360.com/bookmark/15644666/article-Tennessee+kidnapping+case+ends+in+Monroe+County


OK he's older and apparently knew the girl but still. Wonder if they questioned this guy for Holly's case? Too late now. :sigh:

goldiegirl
09-24-2011, 09:37 PM
A benefit for Holly was canceled, as of 2 hours ago, because "it was requested that we cancel it." The group said they had no more information at this time. I think some news might be coming. I hope it's good, but I'm nervous.

ETA: And half an hour ago Whitney posted "Please pray for Holly's safe return!" I know that's something she's been saying for a while, but it's got me wondering, coming right after that announcement.

On an unrelated note, I've been wanting them to call in TES.

cluciano63
09-24-2011, 10:08 PM
A benefit for Holly was canceled, as of 2 hours ago, because "it was requested that we cancel it." The group said they had no more information at this time. I think some news might be coming. I hope it's good, but I'm nervous.

ETA: And half an hour ago Whitney posted "Please pray for Holly's safe return!" I know that's something she's been saying for a while, but it's got me wondering, coming right after that announcement.

On an unrelated note, I've been wanting them to call in TES.

Was this the birthday benefit?

JeannieC
09-24-2011, 11:05 PM
I wonder if he left a note?

cluciano63
09-24-2011, 11:12 PM
I wonder if he left a note?

Who? The abductor? Why would you think that?

goldiegirl
09-24-2011, 11:20 PM
Was this the birthday benefit?

Yes, it was the birthday benefit. I was going to copy/paste what they posted, but I wasn't sure if that was allowed, since I found out through FB.

They're saying now that they have no reason to believe there is any news.

What I'm curious about is who requested that they cancel it.

JeannieC
09-24-2011, 11:29 PM
Who? The abductor? Why would you think that?

Yes the abductor. Just a thought. He was shot. Probably knew it was bad and possibly he wrote a note. If he felt any remorse for all he has done. Clear his conscience.

Cancelling the fund raiser might have been because of further information or maybe out of respect for the girl who was abducted. Maybe none of the above.

moo

cluciano63
09-24-2011, 11:32 PM
Yes the abductor. Just a thought. He was shot. Probably knew it was bad and possibly he wrote a note. If he felt any remorse for all he has done. Clear his conscience.

Cancelling the fund raiser might have been because of further information or maybe out of respect for the girl who was abducted. Maybe none of the above.

moo

You are confusing me tonight, lol...are you saying "he was shot" as a possible theory? And that he left a confession of sorts?

cluciano63
09-24-2011, 11:40 PM
Yes, it was the birthday benefit. I was going to copy/paste what they posted, but I wasn't sure if that was allowed, since I found out through FB.

They're saying now that they have no reason to believe there is any news.

What I'm curious about is who requested that they cancel it.

Is that the FB page that is gone now? There is one for the birthday fundraiser that comes up as "unavailable" now...or another page?

mrsu
09-24-2011, 11:56 PM
You are confusing me tonight, lol...are you saying "he was shot" as a possible theory? And that he left a confession of sorts?

I think she's talking about the guy mentioned above in post #104. Pure speculation that he may have had anything to do with Holly's abduction.

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 12:06 AM
You are confusing me tonight, lol...are you saying "he was shot" as a possible theory? And that he left a confession of sorts?

I am talking about the abductor previously mentioned.

"ABERDEEN A kidnapping that began at a Kangaroo gas station in metro Nashville, ended in Monroe County when the culprit was found dead at Crossroads Shell in Hamilton Friday morning.

Stephen Lynn Cronk, 58, of 648 North Boyers St., Gallatin, Tenn., texted Summer Eaton, 18, of 239 East. Winchester St. Apt. A, Gallatin, Tenn., after she got off work from a Waffle House to say he wanted to tell her goodbye before he moved to Knoxville, Tenn."

He was shot. Drove off in his truck. Sat in the truck at a gas station for several hours until he died.

At age 58 this was probably not his first abduction and he had a record.
Someone asked that the fund raiser be cancelled. I just wondered if it could possibly have anything to do with Cronk.

Just thinking maybe he left a note and mentioned Holly or other offenses before he died. Or did they cancel out of respect for the girl who was abducted.

It was just a thought. It might not have had anything at all to do with Holly but the timing of the event and the other abduction just made me wonder.

moo

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 12:18 AM
I guess there's no telling in this case...could be related. We'll have to wait and see if there is any news...I sent an email to the person at the Jackson Sun who was requesting feedback on the case a few days ago, will see if he/she replies.

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 12:29 AM
Is that the FB page that is gone now? There is one for the birthday fundraiser that comes up as "unavailable" now...or another page?

Nope, this page is still up. It wasn't that one, it was one of the other HB support pages that is run by some of the people who were coordinating that event.

SmoothOperator
09-25-2011, 01:02 AM
Hhmmmmm.. So.. The latest fundraiser was cancelled?? When was the fundraiser supposed to take place?? Is it something cancelled on short notice or was the event still days or weeks away??

Wondering what could be the motive for canceling a fundraiser?? Why now?? There have been several so why cancel this one particularly?? I guess depending on how short of notice there was in canceling it whether or not Ill feel it's related to something else..

When was the fundraiser to have taken place?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 01:11 AM
I think it was for next Saturday, October 1st? That is what I read.

Goldiegirl, is the FB page a public event page? If so, the link can be posted here.

I found it...

https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Holly-Bobo-Updates-and-Prayers/140976462642422

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 04:12 AM
I think it was for next Saturday, October 1st? That is what I read.

Goldiegirl, is the FB page a public event page? If so, the link can be posted here.

I found it...

https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Holly-Bobo-Updates-and-Prayers/140976462642422

You got it : ) That's the same one I saw. Very interesting, isn't it?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 04:15 AM
You got it : ) That's the same one I saw. Very interesting, isn't it?

Yes. But somehow, since it is this case, I have a feeling we will never hear any more about it.

Whisperer
09-25-2011, 05:04 AM
Has the property directly North of the Bobo's been thoroughly searched? I'm in agreement w/Oriah about that logging road. If you look at an aerial view, you can discern a parting in the trees. The path is parallel with the shed on the back of the house and continues North and then angles in a straight diagonal line to Swan Johnson.

How is the evidence found viewed by the professionals? The evidence was found close to the cemetery and to the rock quarry in Parsons. They have found evidence that they have not shared. They must have the cell phone but if the area is anything like North Florida, the cell towers are too far apart to track anything.

It may be beneficial to check out the property again to the east and north of the Bobo's. I agree with Oriah on that thought.

Oriah
09-25-2011, 05:43 AM
Yes. You mentioned there were others as well so wondered if they were local.

Do you mean local as in- only from TN? I know there has been at least one from out of state.

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 05:51 AM
Has the property directly North of the Bobo's been thoroughly searched? I'm in agreement w/Oriah about that logging road. If you look at an aerial view, you can discern a parting in the trees. The path is parallel with the shed on the back of the house and continues North and then angles in a straight diagonal line to Swan Johnson.

How is the evidence found viewed by the professionals? The evidence was found close to the cemetery and to the rock quarry in Parsons. They have found evidence that they have not shared. They must have the cell phone but if the area is anything like North Florida, the cell towers are too far apart to track anything.

It may be beneficial to check out the property again to the east and north of the Bobo's. I agree with Oriah on that thought.

Based on the map showing the areas that were searched you are correct. I wondered the same thing. They were all over the map but not totally covering the areas around the Bobo property.

I thought they headed north or north east but that area wasn't searched. I guess they had their reasons and I'm sure I don't know them but I would have made sure everything surrounding the house was searched. moo

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 07:02 AM
Wow. I don't know what to think. One of the organizers said her heart was broken today and needed a break. That doesn't sound good. I, too, noticed WD sudden "reappearance" in requesting prayers for Holly.

Strange, also that the Jackson Sun wanted people to submit their theories (2 days ago). I only saw 2 comments so far. I wonder if others sent in their theories privately?

I've been pushing for SAR teams like Klaas Kids or TES or Laura Recovery. I was hoping the money raised from the fundraiser would go towards a big SAR effort. The same as was done for Michelle Le where everyone gets involved. I'm not from TN nor am I from the USA but have been following Holly's case from day 1. I would've helped in anyway possible if they got an organized search. Sending food, beverages, etc.

Praying for some news. Hopefully, it'll be that Holly was found safe and well and there is no need for a fundraiser.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 07:09 AM
Hhmmmmm.. So.. The latest fundraiser was cancelled?? When was the fundraiser supposed to take place?? Is it something cancelled on short notice or was the event still days or weeks away??

Wondering what could be the motive for canceling a fundraiser?? Why now?? There have been several so why cancel this one particularly?? I guess depending on how short of notice there was in canceling it whether or not Ill feel it's related to something else..

When was the fundraiser to have taken place?

Oct. 1st in Memphis. In reading the FB page, I think something is going on hasn't been made public yet. Why would one of the organizers post that her heart was broken and she wanted to take down the page but instead is taking a break?

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 07:27 AM
Another post was made on FB. It sounds like broken heart because they were told to cancel the event and nothing to do with any news. I wonder who they mean by "they" when referring to the fundraiser being cancelled. Did Holly's family tell them to cancel it, LE?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:59 AM
Another post was made on FB. It sounds like broken heart because they were told to cancel the event and nothing to do with any news. I wonder who they mean by "they" when referring to the fundraiser being cancelled. Did Holly's family tell them to cancel it, LE?

So do I. I can't understand why this would happen. The FB person insists that there is nothing new. So why not have it, if not for money, for the awareness?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 01:15 PM
I am talking about the abductor previously mentioned.

"ABERDEEN — A kidnapping that began at a Kangaroo gas station in metro Nashville, ended in Monroe County when the culprit was found dead at Crossroads Shell in Hamilton Friday morning.

Stephen Lynn Cronk, 58, of 648 North Boyers St., Gallatin, Tenn., texted Summer Eaton, 18, of 239 East. Winchester St. Apt. A, Gallatin, Tenn., after she got off work from a Waffle House to say he wanted to tell her goodbye before he moved to Knoxville, Tenn."

He was shot. Drove off in his truck. Sat in the truck at a gas station for several hours until he died.

At age 58 this was probably not his first abduction and he had a record.
Someone asked that the fund raiser be cancelled. I just wondered if it could possibly have anything to do with Cronk.

Just thinking maybe he left a note and mentioned Holly or other offenses before he died. Or did they cancel out of respect for the girl who was abducted.

It was just a thought. It might not have had anything at all to do with Holly but the timing of the event and the other abduction just made me wonder.

moo

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15534216/manhunt-underway-for-wilson-co-kidnapping-suspect

The girl he abducted shot him, so I don't think he confessed to anything about Holly. She says she got the gun away from him and shot him in the stomach. LE is "uncertain" of his cause of death. (?)

Article also says that LE does not believe he had anything to do with "ongoing attempted abduction cases in Clarksville and Mt. Juliet." Which cases are these again?

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
Well, sounds like it's the same ol' same ol' in Tennessee.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
If LE does not believe any of these abductions and/or attempted abductions are related, it doesn't sound as though TN is a good place to be a young woman, JMO.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 01:28 PM
I'm re-reading a book on the Atlanta Child Murders of yore, written by a former top cop, and was reminded of this case when he writes that if LE isn't sharing information with the public, it's almost always because they don't have much of anything. The case here, methinks.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 02:56 PM
Lol, "Blink" on his/her forum/blg is of course claiming to know the scoop on why the benefit was cancelled but it is classified and top secret info. Good grief, with all of her insider knowledge on all of these cases, no one should still be unaccounted for...JMO

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 02:58 PM
Lol, "Blink" on his/her forum/blg is of course claiming to know the scoop on why the benefit was cancelled but it is classified and top secret info. Good grief, with all of her insider knowledge on all of these cases, no one should still be unaccounted for...JMO

Yes, that one had this case solved the first week. It was ALL ABOUT THE TIRES.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 03:14 PM
Yes, that one had this case solved the first week. It was ALL ABOUT THE TIRES.

She also claims to know who took Kyron from the school and that it wasn't TH...and she claims LE knows too. :)

R.U.Kidding!
09-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Lol, "Blink" on his/her forum/blg is of course claiming to know the scoop on why the benefit was cancelled but it is classified and top secret info. Good grief, with all of her insider knowledge on all of these cases, no one should still be unaccounted for...JMO

Way to Go, Clu!!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 04:23 PM
Why is it almost taboo to talk about Holly Bobo's disappearance in Parsons?
Someone visits Parsons on business, asks a waitress what is new in the case, and apparently the question is completely ignored. It's not like it is a tourist trap and the CoC is afraid of scaring them off. I feel for Holly. It is like she is being swept under the rug to be forgotten forever.

R.U.Kidding!
09-25-2011, 04:40 PM
All I have been doing lately is checking in at WS just to see if there are any new developments in Holly's case. No comments, since it has all been said before.

I hate to say this, but I truly believe the most valuable information was lost the day she went missing. No road blocks and no immediate search of the surrounding area can't be a good way to start an investigation. Perhaps it took a while for LE to figure out exactly what the one and only witness was saying...and it looks like they still have not straightened that out.
Think of all the valuable time lost.:sick: I have to wonder when the local newspaper wants it's citizens to "send in " their theories as to what may have happened---THAT can't be good. I think we may have to depend on "getting lucky" in this case, and so be it, if it will bring Holly home.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Why is it almost taboo to talk about Holly Bobo's disappearance in Parsons?
Someone visits Parsons on business, asks a waitress what is new in the case, and apparently the question is completely ignored. It's not like it is a tourist trap and the CoC is afraid of scaring them off. I feel for Holly. It is like she is being swept under the rug to be forgotten forever.

Yeah, I've sensed that. Very....insular type of place, and I've a predilection for towns called Parsons, having been born in one (in KS though, not TN). It's like the archetypal Southern gothic hamlet where evil reigns but they protect their own - at the expense of all else. (I'm sure it's not but that is the impression one could get.)

Silkprint
09-25-2011, 04:55 PM
Poor Holly ..she seems to be all but forgotten in MSM

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 05:29 PM
I hate to say this, but I'm about to give up after the new posts on FB about the fundraiser. I mean, I will never give up praying and hoping and thinking about Holly, and I'll do anything I can to help, but this is getting ridiculous. If somebody (family, LE, whoever it is), doesn't want our help and doesn't want the community to care, then I guess that's what they're going to get. This is just too strange.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 06:30 PM
Yes, that one had this case solved the first week. It was ALL ABOUT THE TIRES.

I don't follow that blog and have no idea what the author posted about the tires but it sure sounds like a viable clue if there were tire tracks. As a matter of fact, I mentioned it at some point also. It certainly would've been something LE should have investigated if they didn't. But then again, the searches early on were so disorganized. Community volunteers going about doing their own thing with their ATV's, etc. Even if there were tire tracks made by the perp's vehicle, they were probably destroyed.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 06:35 PM
hmmmm.....KB apparently issued a statement about the fundraiser. I thought she mentioned the fundraiser in one of the interviews. She said the money would go towards expenses and searches. Is she now saying she didn't authorize the benefit? I'm so confused.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holly-Bobo-Updates-and-Prayers/140976462642422

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 06:45 PM
I don't follow that blog and have no idea what the author posted about the tires but it sure sounds like a viable clue if there were tire tracks. As a matter of fact, I mentioned it at some point also. It certainly would've been something LE should have investigated if they didn't. But then again, the searches early on were so disorganized. Community volunteers going about doing their own thing with their ATV's, etc. Even if there were tire tracks made by the perp's vehicle, they were probably destroyed.
If memory, frequently dim, serves, it was tied to LE's pronouncement that individuals cleaning their vehicles after HB's disappearance should be watched carefully, which segued into a Craig's List ad for RV tires. I don't think anything as concrete as actual tracks was mentioned at all.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 06:46 PM
If memory, frequently dim, serves, it was tied to LE's pronouncement that individuals cleaning their vehicles after HB's disappearance should be watched carefully, which segued into a Craig's List ad for RV tires. I don't think anything as concrete as actual tracks was mentioned at all.

Right, no tracks, just someone who had been selling tires, but I believe the ad was actually placed and ran before April 13th, IIRC...

I don't know what to think about the Bobo family not wanting the benefit to happen. I guess they probably don't like us talking about Holly either...maybe unless it is just prayers...?

shefner
09-25-2011, 07:24 PM
Yes....over on the FB page, a lady named Jacqueline issues a statement from Karen Bobo. The statement indicates that, "There are certain legal steps regarding benefits and fund raisers in general that only she can authorize."

Its kinda strange...it says, "A NOTE FROM KAREN BOBO:" and then it continues while speaking of Karen in the third person....

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 07:25 PM
Yes, that's the way to go about keeping up interest in finding a missing person, resort to technicalities and cancel the benefits.

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 07:45 PM
NEW UPDATE:

If I'm not allowed to post this, please take it down, mods. This is directly from the "Holly Bobo Updates and Prayers" FB page as of 18 minutes ago.

"We have all the info we need about why the benefit was ASKED not to happen..we all spoke to Mrs Bobo ourselves. That is between myself, my team, and them. Please dont post messages on what you believe, what Karen may or may not have said, or any kind of rumors here on my page. There is NO legal steps to having a benefit for someone...this isnt my first go round. But all that matters is we were asking NOT to do it, and im honoring that and going against everything i know and feel in my heart. I dont want to talk about it anymore..i am not healed yet and it hurts! Thank You"

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 07:53 PM
While I do not understand why the Bobo family does not want the fundraiser to take place, I also can't understand planning such an event without making sure the family is aware and on board before doing anything at all.

shefner
09-25-2011, 07:58 PM
While I do not understand why the Bobo family does not want the fundraiser to take place, I also can't understand planning such an event without making sure the family is aware and on board before doing anything at all.

For some reason, I don't think this was the case. Its been announced for a while now...I've seen it advertised on FB. The family had to know it was planned, especially if they are spending 24/7 trying to find Holly and following the Find Holly Bobo page. I get the feeling from reading the comments on the page that there is more to this....the admins seemed very discouraged. Not sure what it means.

Carla Lashelle
09-25-2011, 08:08 PM
Its odd that a couple GOOD Holly Bobo FB groups I joined ages ago deleted themselves. Thats kinda strange.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 08:12 PM
I've thought almost from the beginning that the Bobo family was getting bad advice from those they trusted, or had to trust.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 08:13 PM
Its odd that a couple GOOD Holly Bobo FB groups I joined ages ago deleted themselves. Thats kinda strange.

The one who posted about the cancelled fundraiser sounded like she was contemplating cancelling the page but decided to leave it up even if she was heartbroken.

Strange indeed. What's going on?

Darcyline
09-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Experienced Sleuthers-what does this usually mean? This one is baffling me as much as Katelyn's regarding family/LE involvement.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 08:30 PM
Nothing in this case is like any other I have followed, so nothing surprises me, or will surprise me.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 08:33 PM
This case felt dark from the beginning. I know most of them are dark, but.

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 08:45 PM
ANOTHER INTERESTING POST....

"Nothing needs to be authorized, that is completely false. We were doing this for the Bobo's so they could have extra money to hire experienced searchers and investigators. Those things need to happen. We already had no telling how many people coming and willing to do anything and everything to help out. But Karen says they have "enough" and just need prayers. Ive worked cases, i know how much it costs to actively search for a loved one...its not cheap, lets just say that. But Hey...Its over and done with. Yea im hurt and im a little bitter but ill be OK. Ive worked hundreds of hours on finding holly, ive put out more search teams then i can remember. All from another state. Ive done everything i know to do besides handing them thousands of dollars to HELP them hire people to find their daughter...and that was my dream. I dont understand it, and im not gonna try to pretend to. But i will do as im told. Someone else will need our help one day and we will be there. Until then, I will still be here on my page, that i have had since Holly disappeared, praying, searching, talking, and making great relationships with some of the best people i have ever met. And that alone makes every sleepless night worth it!"

She goes on to say in another post how hurt she is. It's interesting to see that Karen said they had enough. Enough people? Enough money? I don't know.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 08:49 PM
Sounds like they are counting on prayers. I haven't really seen where that brings anyone home, but that is just me.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 08:50 PM
hmmmm interesting that the money was for experienced searchers and investigators. It's all starting to make sense now. Wow. Just wow.

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 08:52 PM
Sounds like they are counting on prayers. I haven't really seen where that brings anyone home, but that is just me.

Ditto.

Something REALLY doesn't feel good about all of this.

goldiegirl
09-25-2011, 08:54 PM
Just had a thought. It does seem a little rude for the family to turn this down, and I hope they did it in a nice way (although, judging from the hurt feelings, I'm not sure), but maybe it's as simple as they had gotten negative feedback for all the money that was being raised for Holly, and they thought it would reflect poorly on them and give the public an even worse impression of the case?

I don't know, it was just an idea. I don't agree with that, because if the money really was going to be put aside for SAR teams, that's a VERY good use, IMO, but maybe the family was just tired of hearing people question what they were doing with all the money? I don't know.

In this case, too, it wasn't even the family asking for the money, so if that's the reason, it didn't even apply.

Honestly, I just don't see HOW a family could say they have "enough" and turn down SAR! I've never, ever heard of that before. What could it hurt?

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 09:00 PM
Just had a thought. It does seem a little rude for the family to turn this down, and I hope they did it in a nice way (although, judging from the hurt feelings, I'm not sure), but maybe it's as simple as they had gotten negative feedback for all the money that was being raised for Holly, and they thought it would reflect poorly on them and give the public an even worse impression of the case?

I don't know, it was just an idea. I don't agree with that, because if the money really was going to be put aside for SAR teams, that's a VERY good use, IMO, but maybe the family was just tired of hearing people question what they were doing with all the money? I don't know.

In this case, too, it wasn't even the family asking for the money, so if that's the reason, it didn't even apply.

Honestly, I just don't see HOW a family could say they have "enough" and turn down SAR! I've never, ever heard of that before. What could it hurt?

It seems contradictory... we have "enough" help. We need help from the President of the United States.

Darcyline
09-25-2011, 09:00 PM
I guess it is possible that they felt uncomfortable with the money changing hands and technically strangers dealing with money? Prayers are nice, but part of faith is also action. They need to be aggressively pursuing every single avenue of help possible. Prayer and continue getting the word out seems like the proper response, if anything. Or even making the event just one about awareness and prayer instead of demanding it is canceled.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:04 PM
I think it goes back to getting and taking very poor advice. And possibly being cowed by LE? Maybe LE did not want professional search teams in town?

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:06 PM
I think it goes back to getting and taking very poor advice. And possibly being cowed by LE? Maybe LE did not want professional search teams in town?
Cowed by LE and by religious advisors, perhaps. Whose advice may be to stay cowed by LE.

shefner
09-25-2011, 09:14 PM
This case is bizarre. Will we ever know what happened to Holly?

Do her parents already know?

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 09:15 PM
I think it goes back to getting and taking very poor advice. And possibly being cowed by LE? Maybe LE did not want professional search teams in town?

You just might have hit the nail on the head. Maybe local LE isn't wanting anyone else involved. TBI is already investigating and that might not be to their liking either. Too much testaterone maybe.

I can be totally off base. It might be something we are not privy to and they might know she is not in the area. jmo

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 09:18 PM
This case is bizarre. Will we ever know what happened to Holly?

Do her parents already know?

Yes. IMO

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:21 PM
Yes. IMO

Then why this charade? What is the point of it all, if they know? Or are you thinking they know because something took place in the home...

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:22 PM
Then why this charade? What is the point of it all, if they know? Or are you thinking they know because something took place in the home...
Wow clu63, I got goosebumps when I read this.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Wow clu63, I got goosebumps when I read this.

Hardly anything else makes sense anymore. I don't know what to think.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Hardly anything else makes sense anymore. I don't know what to think.
I know that cynical ones (like me) considered this from the very start, and now, after many other paths have apparently proved directionless, it's almost like the last port in a very bad storm. And still the worst one, were it to be the case.

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 09:37 PM
Then why this charade? What is the point of it all, if they know? Or are you thinking they know because something took place in the home...

I think it very suspicious that no experienced SAR teams were called from the beginning and now that a benefit event was being organized to raise funds for experienced SAR teams and investigators, they cancel. But you all knew about my feelings about the case from the beginning. When things don't make sense, it leaves one to question what is really going on. In this case, we 've had more than our share of head scratching and it seems to be ongoing.

I think we need to really ask ourselves if Clint's statements and actions on that fateful day, the only eye witness, make any sense.

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 09:37 PM
If Holly could see what is and has been going on, I wonder who she would feel betrayed by?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:38 PM
I know that cynical ones (like me) considered this from the very start, and now, after many other paths have apparently proved directionless, it's almost like the last port in a very bad storm. And still the worst one, were it to be the case.

It's been hard not to think of it, with stories changing from the start (apparently) and LE refusing to rule out the family or anyone else. And then the hesitant "cries for help" that emerge from the family every so often. All very strange.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:39 PM
If Holly could see what is and has been going on, I wonder who she would feel betrayed by?

That's a terrific question.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:39 PM
It's been hard not to think of it, with stories changing from the start (apparently) and LE refusing to rule out the family or anyone else. And then the hesitant "cries for help" that emerge from the family every so often. All very strange.
Curiouser and curiouser.

shefner
09-25-2011, 09:44 PM
May we discuss, for the sake of argument, what may have happened within the home?

Accident?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:46 PM
I think we can have theories, since no one has been cleared by LE officially. If not, I am sure a mod will say otherwise...but we can't point fingers at anyone or "sleuth" them on the boards.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:47 PM
May we discuss, for the sake of argument, what may have happened within the home?

Accident?
That's about as far as my mind will let me go, accident. At worst, disagreement leading to accident.

shefner
09-25-2011, 09:51 PM
Sort of like the JonBenet Ramsey case. I can see the obvious but my mind can't get around it.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 09:54 PM
Are we sure she's dead? And I'm not talking the "being held by kidnapper" variation.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 09:55 PM
This case makes me feel like an intruder for wanting to find ways to help, unlike any other missing persons case...

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Are we sure she's dead? And I'm not talking the "being held by kidnapper" variation.

Lol, were you on Topix today, by chance?

shefner
09-25-2011, 10:03 PM
Are we sure she's dead? And I'm not talking the "being held by kidnapper" variation.

No...I'm not sure she's dead. Could she be living? I want her to be living....but the odds say no.

Anyone thinking voluntary walk-away? Or involuntary walk-away (which is not quite the same as kidnapping...)....

I absolutely thought I knew more than I now think I know...you know?

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 10:05 PM
Lol, were you on Topix today, by chance?

No, haven't been there in ages. Heart doctors advised me away from it!

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:06 PM
I think that whatever happened, Karen Bobo is not clued in, meaning if others in family know something, I don't think she does. JMO

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 10:07 PM
No...I'm not sure she's dead. Could she be living? I want her to be living....but the odds say no.

Anyone thinking voluntary walk-away? Or involuntary walk-away (which is not quite the same as kidnapping...)....

I absolutely thought I knew more than I now think I know...you know?

What is the involuntary walk-away theory?

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 10:07 PM
I think that whatever happened, Karen Bobo is not clued in, meaning if others in family know something, I don't think she does. JMO
I was sure of that till today when I came here and started reading.

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 10:08 PM
No, haven't been there in ages. Heart doctors advised me away from it!

Ok, that's very funny!!!:floorlaugh:

SmoothOperator
09-25-2011, 10:10 PM
So, let's go with the benefit was canceled due to the family worried about the public's perception of there being more funds raised for Holly(specifically not knowing what the money is being used for).. Does this truly make sense that the family is worried about the public's perception?? Given their choices, decisions, statements, and actions do any of us believe for a minute this family cares about what the public's perception is?? IMO no.. If they were concerned in the least about the publics perception they certainly would not have made such a strange decision in a benefit which specifically involves the public.. IMO that just cannot be the motive here(and that's in no way meant to be rude about the suggestion of public perception being a possible motive.. I know we all here are just baffled and attempting to figure out what could be the motive:))

Do I believe the motive is what KB claims it to be??? That they have "enough" and all they need is prayer?? No way in he!! Do I believe that's the motive nor do I even believe that statement is even accurate or true?? No, no, no! There isn't enough money or help for finding Holly because in a parent of a missing child's opinion nothing is "enough" until it brings their child home.. No matter what dollar amount is being spent, nor the Headcount of how many there are involved in helping.. No matter the numbers it is never enough until Holly is brought home!! This is how parents of a missing child believe.. Even the most humble or proud of parents when it comes to their child missing nothing is to great,
Nor ever enough until that child is found.. That IMO lays to rest the "they have enough" motive for why the benefit was cancelled..

This particular benefit IMO does seem to be one of the better, more well thought out and planned benefits with a very specific goal for where the funds raised would be used.. Whereas some of the other benefits seems to have been not so thoroughly planned with no specific goal or even specific area of where the raised funds would go.. So here with one with a goal of the funds to be used directly for professional searchers and/or investigators(just as many of us have begged for them to use both of those avenues).. By request directly of the family, specifically KB, herself this is canceled with a statement that they have "enough" and only prayers are needed..

If were for reasons such as LE/TBI demanding that they keep full control of the case as in investigators and searchers I truly feel as tho KB would share that in a very tactful and polite way to this fundraiser(that's been in the works for some time now).. I believe that Karen would say that they would very much like to have all the help offered but that they are trusting LE and their capabilities to bring Holly home.. She wouldve explained to this woman that it was due to a LE issue.. This wasn't done.. And this woman is very hurt and at a loss from what Karen said in that they had enough and did not want the benefit to happen in any capacity for Holly..

It's baffling and it truly leads one to believe that it is a personal family issue as to the why they wanted the benefit cancelled.. LE/TBI's not wanting it would be such an easy thing to tell as the motive.. This obviously wasn't told.. It definitely IMO seems to be a choice and decision made directly by the Bobo family as well as the request to call off the benefit came directly from the family.. It is baffling!! Why this fundraiser?? The one that actually would be capable of bringing Holly home with it affording an avenue of SAR as well as possible new set of eyes to look at the case.. Why would this the only benefit IMO that seems truly worthwhile and that something could actual come from it in actually helping to find Holly!! A very specific goal here unlike the others for "expenses and searching" In general???

I truly am banging my head on this one in frustration!!?? WTH?? Really just WTH???!??!?

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 10:11 PM
I think the family very much cares what the public's perception is. And I wonder why.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:13 PM
I am at a loss. I don't know for sure that Karen B. would have publicly blamed LE if they asked her to cancel the fundraiser. But I know for sure I would have...but I also would not have cancelled it, unless LE told me they had a suspect and were about to make an arrest. But still...even if an arrest were to be made, Holly still needs to be found, so cancelling makes no sense...:(

~n/t~
09-25-2011, 10:18 PM
I never realized how uncomfortable it is to sit on my hands. Off to bed. Good night folks. :offtobed:

SmoothOperator
09-25-2011, 10:25 PM
Ok, guys I've a good question that I think would be deemed appropriate for us to discuss and within the rules..

We know the answer to does what Clint tells were the events of that morning make sense?? The answer has always been no.. And boy have we tried every which way imaginable to attempt to make them make sense..

What about this.. What concrete evidence do we have that points away from ANYTHING having takenplace in the home(accident or otherwise).. What stone, cold, hard facts do we have that point away from it being in the home??

An example would be the neighbor hearing screams and calling the school and informing Karen.. But then upon truly dissecting that entire situation is still does not point to a definite nothing happened in the home.. Afterall it was at the Bobo home that the screams came from.. But I know there's got to be issues that point away from it happening in the home.. So let's list them..

I'm going to think on it for a moment to see what I come up with..

shefner
09-25-2011, 10:27 PM
What is the involuntary walk-away theory?

Ummmm...I don't know.
LOL

I guess the theory that someone convinced her to come along...and then convinced her to stay away?

No, no...that makes no sense at all.

Did I actually say "involuntary walk-away theory?" What was I thinking?

*sigh*

CocoChanel
09-25-2011, 10:28 PM
I never realized how uncomfortable it is to sit on my hands. Off to bed. Good night folks. :offtobed:

I know right?!? What can we say/what can't we say in order to keep ourselves above reproach? We all are responsible for maintaining the good name of WS. But gosh it's hard sometimes, when it feels like you are watching the emporer who has no clothes!

There is a Holly Facebook thread in the basement. Maybe we can discuss a few things there.

shefner
09-25-2011, 10:29 PM
Ok, guys I've a good question that I think would be deemed appropriate for us to discuss and within the rules..

We know the answer to does what Clint tells were the events of that morning make sense?? The answer has always been no.. And boy have we tried every which way imaginable to attempt to make them make sense..

What about this.. What concrete evidence do we have that points away from ANYTHING having takenplace in the home(accident or otherwise).. What stone, cold, hard facts do we have that point away from it being in the home??

An example would be the neighbor hearing screams and calling the school and informing Karen.. But then upon truly dissecting that entire situation is still does not point to a definite nothing happened in the home.. Afterall it was at the Bobo home that the screams came from.. But I know there's got to be issues that point away from it happening in the home.. So let's list them..

I'm going to think on it for a moment to see what I come up with..

Well, let's see...blood outside? Coke spilled in car port or driveway?
The main thing hinges on the eyewitness account....
Geez....

shefner
09-25-2011, 10:31 PM
I know right?!? What can we say/what can't we say in order to keep ourselves above reproach? We all are responsible for maintaining the good name of WS. But gosh it's hard sometimes, when it feels like you are watching the emporer who has no clothes!

There is a Holly Facebook thread in the basement. Maybe we can discuss a few things there.

Can you turn the lights on in the basement so I can find it? Or is that allowed?

Yes, I have been a member for several years and still don't know all the rules....

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:32 PM
The lunchpail found 6 (or 8) miles away has always been a sticking point assuming the screams happened when "it" happened.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:34 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136204&page=3&highlight=holly+bobo

There is this thread in the basement...I think it is meant to discuss things from various FB pages, etc...

shefner
09-25-2011, 10:34 PM
The lunchpail found 6 (or 8) miles away has always been a sticking point assuming the screams happened when "it" happened.

Yes....but hasn't LE felt from the start that the lunchbag and "other items" of Holly's were planted? Do we think they were planted?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:36 PM
Yes....but hasn't LE felt from the start that the lunchbag and "other items" of Holly's were planted? Do we think they were planted?

Well I thought they meant planted in as to throw LE off from which way she was taken. But assuming something happened to Holly at the time of the scream, the person who put the lunchbox where it ended up could not have been a person who was at the home to receive LE, unless the whole thing was premediated and done in advance of course, which sounds too complicated...

Plumeria5
09-25-2011, 10:36 PM
Ummmm...I don't know.
LOL

I guess the theory that someone convinced her to come along...and then convinced her to stay away?

No, no...that makes no sense at all.

Did I actually say "involuntary walk-away theory?" What was I thinking?

*sigh*

No problem. You did have me thinking though! Delayed the onset of my dementia by at least a week!! Thanks for that!:woohoo:

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 10:40 PM
Ok, guys I've a good question that I think would be deemed appropriate for us to discuss and within the rules..

We know the answer to does what Clint tells were the events of that morning make sense?? The answer has always been no.. And boy have we tried every which way imaginable to attempt to make them make sense..

What about this.. What concrete evidence do we have that points away from ANYTHING having takenplace in the home(accident or otherwise).. What stone, cold, hard facts do we have that point away from it being in the home??

An example would be the neighbor hearing screams and calling the school and informing Karen.. But then upon truly dissecting that entire situation is still does not point to a definite nothing happened in the home.. Afterall it was at the Bobo home that the screams came from.. But I know there's got to be issues that point away from it happening in the home.. So let's list them..

I'm going to think on it for a moment to see what I come up with..

Even if something did occur in the home wouldn't they still want her body found so they could bury her?
Why would anyone cover up an accident?
What are we missing?
If the body is located what are they going to find?

Does anyone know where they intended to search? That might be behind the cancellation. Just guessing.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:43 PM
Even if something did occur in the home wouldn't they still want her body found so they could bury her?
Why would anyone cover up an accident?
What are we missing?
If the body is located what are they going to find?

Does anyone know where they intended to search? That might be behind the cancellation. Just guessing.

This is why I am not sure the whole family is on the same page. I think mom is the spokesperson, such as there is one, and says what she is told to say. As far as a search, I don't think any areas had been determined, it was just to raise funds for the possibility of pro searchers as far as I know.

I still get the feeling that Holly's mom is truly in the dark, maybe even Dad if he is really out beating the bushes daily.

wfgodot
09-25-2011, 10:44 PM
Even if something did occur in the home wouldn't they still want her body found so they could bury her?
Why would anyone cover up an accident?
What are we missing?
If the body is located what are they going to find?

Does anyone know where they intended to search? That might be behind the cancellation. Just guessing.

An accident might be covered up to save face; or it might be felt that authorities might not see it as an accident, and would arrest someone and hold that person criminally responsible.

As for the "What are we missing?" - well, probably everything!

TxLady2
09-25-2011, 10:48 PM
Ok, guys I've a good question that I think would be deemed appropriate for us to discuss and within the rules..

We know the answer to does what Clint tells were the events of that morning make sense?? The answer has always been no.. And boy have we tried every which way imaginable to attempt to make them make sense..

What about this.. What concrete evidence do we have that points away from ANYTHING having takenplace in the home(accident or otherwise).. What stone, cold, hard facts do we have that point away from it being in the home??

An example would be the neighbor hearing screams and calling the school and informing Karen.. But then upon truly dissecting that entire situation is still does not point to a definite nothing happened in the home.. Afterall it was at the Bobo home that the screams came from.. But I know there's got to be issues that point away from it happening in the home.. So let's list them..

I'm going to think on it for a moment to see what I come up with..

Maybe LE searched the home with the family's permission and didn't find any signs of foul play. That's pretty common when a person goes missing and it's usually done at the first response to the 911 call. LE can usually spot things that seem out of the ordinary when anyone else couldn't see it.
I think if they had any suspicion that something had happened in the home, we would know about it by now.

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 10:49 PM
An accident might be covered up to save face; or it might be felt that authorities might not see it as an accident, and would arrest someone and hold that person criminally responsible.

As for the "What are we missing?" - well, probably everything!

Hey, I didn't even know we had a basement, I thought this was a one story apartment! :waitasec:

TxLady2
09-25-2011, 10:54 PM
IF Clint was covering up some kind of accident, then I don't believe the parents know. I could be wrong, but if he is responsible, they either don't know or it's not being made public and they are keeping it quiet for the sake of their reputations. These are people who have a good standing in the community, they would want to protect that as long as possible.

Lera213
09-25-2011, 10:55 PM
I haven't followed this case in a long time so forgive me. HB mother is married to her 2nd husband right? The man she is married to is HB step-dad. Ok where is HB bio dad? Has there been any information about him? I'm not suspecting him of anything I'm curious is all.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 10:58 PM
I haven't followed this case in a long time so forgive me. HB mother is married to her 2nd husband right? The man she is married to is HB step-dad. Ok where is HB bio dad? Has there been any information about him? I'm not suspecting him of anything I'm curious is all.

I have never heard that he is a stepdad.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 11:00 PM
IF Clint was covering up some kind of accident, then I don't believe the parents know. I could be wrong, but if he is responsible, they either don't know or it's not being made public and they are keeping it quiet for the sake of their reputations. These are people who have a good standing in the community, they would want to protect that as long as possible.

That is kind of what I was saying, that I don't think mom knows anything, at least. But honestly would they rather she be left...out there someplace? I don't know if I actually believe anything happened within the family, but no thanks to them if I don't. They sure are not helping matters in trying to get all help offered, etc...

Dogface
09-25-2011, 11:05 PM
So all this talk about accidents have me thinking(uh oh) what kind of real accidents could have happened that someone would feel necessary to cover up because they were concerned it may not look like an accident?

A few I could come up were:
- perhaps accidentally hit by a bullet(would be too much blood I think)
- hit by an arrow(people do bow hunt, and wouldn't necessarily produce a lot of blood)
- backed over/hit by a car
- argument where someone is pushed and falls

And thats all I can come up with for now at least.

Another thing of note, being a rural area and all, and certainly not trying to be grim, but after the guy from canada, any missing person always makes me think.... does anyone own hogs?

Lera213
09-25-2011, 11:07 PM
I have never heard that he is a stepdad.

OH my bad, so DB is her bio dad. OK thank you. See been a while since I read this thread and had forgotten.

Lera213
09-25-2011, 11:09 PM
I just spent 30 minutes reading a nut job's website stating that HB abduction is a hoax and only geared to generate funds from different or certain organizations. A LOONY! He even stated that he contacted the TBI. I'm glad he did so now they can watch the loon.

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 11:13 PM
Now someone on FB is saying Karen did not want what seems like a celebration on Holly's birthday, a painful day...and that they did not want people to do these things without asking. I can't tell if this person knows Holly's mom or is giving her opinion...FWIW

shefner
09-25-2011, 11:27 PM
So all this talk about accidents have me thinking(uh oh) what kind of real accidents could have happened that someone would feel necessary to cover up because they were concerned it may not look like an accident?

A few I could come up were:
- perhaps accidentally hit by a bullet(would be too much blood I think)
- hit by an arrow(people do bow hunt, and wouldn't necessarily produce a lot of blood)
- backed over/hit by a car
- argument where someone is pushed and falls

And thats all I can come up with for now at least.

Another thing of note, being a rural area and all, and certainly not trying to be grim, but after the guy from canada, any missing person always makes me think.... does anyone own hogs?

I'll take the "Accidental bullet" for $500, Alex.

JK....you have a good list going there.

shefner
09-25-2011, 11:29 PM
This is why I am not sure the whole family is on the same page. I think mom is the spokesperson, such as there is one, and says what she is told to say. As far as a search, I don't think any areas had been determined, it was just to raise funds for the possibility of pro searchers as far as I know.

I still get the feeling that Holly's mom is truly in the dark, maybe even Dad if he is really out beating the bushes daily.

I'm truly in the dark...with Holly's mom.

Can someone tell me what's going on out there in the light?

cluciano63
09-25-2011, 11:32 PM
Okay, now the whole conversation on FB is gone...poof.

JeannieC
09-25-2011, 11:36 PM
Now someone on FB is saying Karen did not want what seems like a celebration on Holly's birthday, a painful day...and that they did not want people to do these things without asking. I can't tell if this person knows Holly's mom or is giving her opinion...FWIW

I could understand the family not wanting it held on Holly's birthday. That should have been discussed in advance. Maybe the closer it came to the date the harder it was for Karen to handle.

SmoothOperator
09-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Don't they(LE)believe that it's possible that the lunchbag and other items found were possibly placed at some point "after the fact" and were found at some point a day or two later and some thought to have been found as late as Easter weekend(I.e. The item always purposed to have been the cell phone)..

I honestly dont know what to think or believe anymore and the more excuses that come out for the cancelled benefit the more it doesn't make sense(now possibly because it was on or near her birthday??) What better way to mark a missing PERSON's birthday than to hold a benefit raising funds to find and bring the missing person home?!?

Lera213
09-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Okay, now the whole conversation on FB is gone...poof.

I don't know what fb page you are looking at. I haven't kept up with them but I just read one holly bobo FB page and it spoke about the birthday and how the mom asked them all not to do anything that they wanted to share the birthday alone.

One I think the prayers and updates one was the one I was reading.

She was pretty upset over it but also understood. The message went out to every HB fb type page. The family said they had enough funds, and that day is going to be hard enough and want to share it only with family. *shrug*

shefner
09-25-2011, 11:42 PM
I don't know what fb page you are looking at. I haven't kept up with them but I just read one holly bobo FB page and it spoke about the birthday and how the mom asked them all not to do anything that they wanted to share the birthday alone.

One I think the prayers and updates one was the one I was reading.

She was pretty upset over it but also understood. The message went out to every HB fb type page. The family said they had enough funds, and that day is going to be hard enough and want to share it only with family. *shrug*

Who ever has "enough funds?" That doesn't make sense to me....She said they had "enough" money and just wanted prayers. Really, Karen? Really?

TES shoulda been called on day 1.

SmoothOperator
09-25-2011, 11:45 PM
I honestly do not feel any of her immediate family would intentionally harm Holly..
ATLEAST with what is known I just don't believe that.. My gut doesn't feel as tho any of the three would intentionally harm her.. And have heard zero alluding to any type of dysfunctional relationships between these 4 family members..

My instincts definitely indicate something is up with this family's behaviors and statements and I do suspect some deceit.. What is that from and what is that about?? I honestly cannot figure it out..

Lera213
09-25-2011, 11:45 PM
Who ever has "enough funds?" That doesn't make sense to me....She said they had "enough" money and just wanted prayers. Really, Karen? Really?

TES shoulda been called on day 1.
I know, maybe its a legal reason? I don't know but this entire case is more baffling then anyone I've read in a long time. My brain hurt so much at the start trying to figure it all out and it started to get even stranger. That is when I stopped following because my brain just hurts.

goldiegirl
09-26-2011, 12:37 AM
Here's what I'm starting to think....

I was really confused about the whole asking for help from the President but canceling a local event, so in trying to make sense out of it, I have kind of a theory. Maybe the family has an idea of what happened, and there are specific steps that they want taken, but they don't want to share those with the public for whatever reason. Maybe, as some have suggested, an influential family is involved, and they feel they need something more than SAR and local fundraisers? Maybe they feel anymore local attention drawn to the case will only make things worse somehow, like maybe they are fearful of the perp or believe that if Holly is still alive she might be harmed? Or maybe - and I hate to go this route, but we have to explore every possibility - maybe Holly was involved with something that they don't want coming out in the public, and while they are grateful for all of the help they do trust local LE and know that there are certain things that need to happen for the case to be solved, so maybe they don't want to see people waste their time and resources or get anymore involved, but they also don't feel like letting us all in on everything. Maybe LE does know that Holly is not in the area and that SAR efforts would be useless, but they can't tell us that for whatever reason.

These are all just ideas, because I can't come up with any other possible explanation. Like others have said, with any other missing persons case where the family is not involved they always say they would do ANYTHING they have to do bring their family member home, and I know that's how I would feel if that ever happened to me. At the same time, they've now got people all over the country who never knew Holly who are interested in their personal business, posting publicly about her, collecting photos of her, organizing events, etc. It's got to be kind of uncomfortable for families, on some level. Of course, no matter what the truth is, they should just want her found, even if something embarrassing would come out (not suggesting it would, just saying it's a possibility), but I think it might be more complicated than that.

I think the family knows a lot more than they are telling the public, but I don't necessarily think they were the ones who harmed Holly. I think they have a strong sense of what this is all related to, though, and maybe when all is said and done (assuming it ever comes to that point) we'll be able to see why they didn't want the public to know everything or why it wouldn't do any good if they did.

Again, I don't necessarily believe any of these things, but they're just theories.

cluciano63
09-26-2011, 01:18 AM
What you say is possible, Goldie, but then why put themselves out there on national TV at all? Why not just keep this the local issue that they seem to want it to be?

goldiegirl
09-26-2011, 01:26 AM
What you say is possible, Goldie, but then why put themselves out there on national TV at all? Why not just keep this the local issue that they seem to want it to be?

Right, that's the part that really doesn't make sense. Just playing devil's advocate here, if any of those things I mentioned are true, maybe they've gone on TV a few times because a) they thought they should, and they'd heard enough speculation about why they weren't going to the media or b) they do need help of some sort, but they're just not exactly sure what they need or how to say it.

I know that didn't make much sense, but neither does anything else in this case!

Lera213
09-26-2011, 02:12 AM
Right, that's the part that really doesn't make sense. Just playing devil's advocate here, if any of those things I mentioned are true, maybe they've gone on TV a few times because a) they thought they should, and they'd heard enough speculation about why they weren't going to the media or b) they do need help of some sort, but they're just not exactly sure what they need or how to say it.

I know that didn't make much sense, but neither does anything else in this case!

Or maybe the information that LE had wasn't solid and those interviews were already booked? Once booked by the time that got there the investigation took a sharp turn?

cluciano63
09-26-2011, 02:17 AM
The mom just sounded confused and kind of desperate to me, the last time she was on JVM show. It didn't sound like she knows anything at all.

JeannieC
09-26-2011, 04:22 AM
I don't know what fb page you are looking at. I haven't kept up with them but I just read one holly bobo FB page and it spoke about the birthday and how the mom asked them all not to do anything that they wanted to share the birthday alone.

One I think the prayers and updates one was the one I was reading.

She was pretty upset over it but also understood. The message went out to every HB fb type page. The family said they had enough funds, and that day is going to be hard enough and want to share it only with family. *shrug*

Now Karen asking them to do nothing but pray makes sense. She didn't want them to do anything on Holly's birthday except pray.

The family want this to be a day for the family and yes it will be a hard one for them. People should understand that.

Thanks.

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 05:24 AM
Now Karen asking them to do nothing but pray makes sense. She didn't want them to do anything on Holly's birthday except pray.

The family want this to be a day for the family and yes it will be a hard one for them. People should understand that.

Thanks.

I'm sorry but this benefit wasn't just thought up and organized overnight. They've been planning it for a while and Karen, herself mentioned where the money would go in one of the interviews. I'll have to dig up that interview and you can all listen to it again.

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 05:26 AM
Here's what I'm starting to think....

I was really confused about the whole asking for help from the President but canceling a local event, so in trying to make sense out of it, I have kind of a theory. Maybe the family has an idea of what happened, and there are specific steps that they want taken, but they don't want to share those with the public for whatever reason. Maybe, as some have suggested, an influential family is involved, and they feel they need something more than SAR and local fundraisers? Maybe they feel anymore local attention drawn to the case will only make things worse somehow, like maybe they are fearful of the perp or believe that if Holly is still alive she might be harmed? Or maybe - and I hate to go this route, but we have to explore every possibility - maybe Holly was involved with something that they don't want coming out in the public, and while they are grateful for all of the help they do trust local LE and know that there are certain things that need to happen for the case to be solved, so maybe they don't want to see people waste their time and resources or get anymore involved, but they also don't feel like letting us all in on everything. Maybe LE does know that Holly is not in the area and that SAR efforts would be useless, but they can't tell us that for whatever reason.

These are all just ideas, because I can't come up with any other possible explanation. Like others have said, with any other missing persons case where the family is not involved they always say they would do ANYTHING they have to do bring their family member home, and I know that's how I would feel if that ever happened to me. At the same time, they've now got people all over the country who never knew Holly who are interested in their personal business, posting publicly about her, collecting photos of her, organizing events, etc. It's got to be kind of uncomfortable for families, on some level. Of course, no matter what the truth is, they should just want her found, even if something embarrassing would come out (not suggesting it would, just saying it's a possibility), but I think it might be more complicated than that.

I think the family knows a lot more than they are telling the public, but I don't necessarily think they were the ones who harmed Holly. I think they have a strong sense of what this is all related to, though, and maybe when all is said and done (assuming it ever comes to that point) we'll be able to see why they didn't want the public to know everything or why it wouldn't do any good if they did.

Again, I don't necessarily believe any of these things, but they're just theories.

Asking for the President's help is another clue, imo If you put the pieces together it starts making sense or I'm just a loon. :crazy:

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 05:40 AM
Still looking for the interview. Wish I could remember who posted it. :banghead:

I did find the article mentioning the fundraiser. It says family and friends were hosting it and the article is dated Sept. 11th.

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980243016#comme nts

JeannieC
09-26-2011, 05:50 AM
Police said the victim is traumatized, but in a safe location with family.

Cronk is also from Gallatin. Police said he and the woman were acquaintances who met at her workplace, and did not have a romantic relationship.

Mt. Juliet Kidnapping Suspect Found Dead In Mississippi


Mt. Juliet Police said Cronk could have a criminal history. They are waiting on court documents from a past arrest in El Paso, Texas.

Mt. Juliet officials said the kidnapping was not related to ongoing attempted abduction cases in Clarksville and Mt. Juliet.



http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15534216/manhunt-underway-for-wilson-co-kidnapping-suspect

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 06:02 AM
And I was going with the KISS theory. I guess some have better imaginations than I do.

We're up to 5 comments now

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980367884

JeannieC
09-26-2011, 06:26 AM
I'm sorry but this benefit wasn't just thought up and organized overnight. They've been planning it for a while and Karen, herself mentioned where the money would go in one of the interviews. I'll have to dig up that interview and you can all listen to it again.

I'm sorry, I don't remember saying they didn't know about it. You don't need to look it up.

Carla Lashelle
09-26-2011, 08:28 AM
Is there any mainstream article saying any charity event has been cancelled? There are mainstream articles announcing the October 1 (I think thats the date) event but no retractions or articles saying it has been cancelled. Has the cancellation story only been reported on blogs or face book pages (that may have little credability?)

Oriah
09-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Still looking for the interview. Wish I could remember who posted it. :banghead:

I did find the article mentioning the fundraiser. It says family and friends were hosting it and the article is dated Sept. 11th.

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980243016#comme nts

Unfortunately, it's these types of statements, within articles:

<It's believed that Holly Bobo was abducted from her home in Darden, Tennessee, but there are no leads and the people of Parsons and Darden aren't calling in with tips.>

...that completely discredit them as 'reporters'- and also harm victims and their loved ones IMO, by implication and speculation.

How do we know 'the people of Parsons and Darden' aren't calling in with tips???? Unless Chelsea Hoffman is an investigator assigned to Holly's case with ANY of the LE agencies involved- she has no way of knowing this.
And if she were- she wouldn't be chatting it up online.

Shame on you, Chelsea Hoffman.
This is a real family, a real missing person, a real community, and a real LE investigation.

Stick to the facts. Your ratings might not go up, but your integrity will.

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Well, I say thank goodness for Chelsea Hoffman. If it wasn't for her, this case would be as cold as the winter snow in Canada. She is keeping Holly's name out there for better or worse. She may be the only one asking LE for updates. I don't discredit her reporting nor do I think she's doing it for ratings.

Oriah
09-26-2011, 09:28 AM
We all have different takes on what constitutes journalism, motivation, and integrity regarding cases.

I respect your opinion, n/t.

However, I will 100% confirm that Chelsea Hoffman is not the only one asking for (or receiving) LE updates.

Also, I want to bump Holly's FBI poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

goldiegirl
09-26-2011, 11:38 AM
Is there any mainstream article saying any charity event has been cancelled? There are mainstream articles announcing the October 1 (I think thats the date) event but no retractions or articles saying it has been cancelled. Has the cancellation story only been reported on blogs or face book pages (that may have little credability?)

The FB page that posted it was the page set up by the people who are organizing the event. The event was being organized by the four women who run the Holly Bobo Updates and Prayers page, and they posted and let everyone know that they talked to Karen and it's canceled.

They've since taken everything related to the discussion down.

mountainguy777
09-26-2011, 12:34 PM
What happened to investigative reporters that didn't take no for an answer, and annoyed people until there weresome answers? Earth to Geraldo!

mag84
09-26-2011, 02:40 PM
Unfortunately, it's these types of statements, within articles:

<It's believed that Holly Bobo was abducted from her home in Darden, Tennessee, but there are no leads and the people of Parsons and Darden aren't calling in with tips.>

...that completely discredit them as 'reporters'- and also harm victims and their loved ones IMO, by implication and speculation.

How do we know 'the people of Parsons and Darden' aren't calling in with tips???? Unless Chelsea Hoffman is an investigator assigned to Holly's case with ANY of the LE agencies involved- she has no way of knowing this.
And if she were- she wouldn't be chatting it up online.

Shame on you, Chelsea Hoffman.
This is a real family, a real missing person, a real community, and a real LE investigation.

Stick to the facts. Your ratings might not go up, but your integrity will.
Bbm. The "Thanks" button wasn't enough. I haven't posted in awhile, I just don't know what to say anymore, but that girl and her "reporting" makes my blood boil.

Capri
09-26-2011, 05:06 PM
Goldiegirl- was there any info on why it was cancelled?

Capri
09-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Just read up page and saw the potential reasons for the cancellation.sorry

cluciano63
09-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Not defending the writer of the articles on ***********, but maybe if there is so much untruth to what she says, someone will come forward at some point and correct her...and anyway, gather is not mainstream media, not read by millions of people, so her opinions are not really hurting (much of) anything, as far as I can tell. No worse than many blogs. JMO

~n/t~
09-26-2011, 05:52 PM
We all have different takes on what constitutes journalism, motivation, and integrity regarding cases.

I respect your opinion, n/t.

However, I will 100% confirm that Chelsea Hoffman is not the only one asking for (or receiving) LE updates.

Also, I want to bump Holly's FBI poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

Oriah, as you know many criticise Nancy Grace also but at the end of the day, she gets the stories out there. Tonight she's covering Aliayah's (sp?) case. Not sure if you're following her case but there's almost nothing on MSM about this beautiful 3 year old cutie pie.

Sometimes even bad press is better than no press. :)

BTW.....I'm sure others are asking for updates but we only post what's out there to post about. If others are asking for updates, I would have no idea if it's not printed in black and white.

goldiegirl
09-26-2011, 05:54 PM
Does anybody have a link to the article or interview or whatever it was where it was mentioned that Karen asked for help from the President? I can't remember where that came from. And who did she ask?