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bessie
09-26-2011, 01:29 AM
Friend: Steve Powell was Obssessed with Susan, Porn for Years (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp)
Ellensburg, Wash. • Over the course of their long-standing friendship, Sandy Crain Anderson learned two things about Steve Powell.
Powell was into pornography. And he was obsessed with his daughter-in-law, Susan Cox Powell.Steven Powell Arrested in Washington State #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149759&page=26)
waltzingmatilda
09-26-2011, 07:40 AM
Mr & Mrs Cox are on the Today show. Anne Curry is interviewing them.
Mrs Cox feels it is very possible that SP Knows something. Mr C says he is pleased with the investigation and the police are aware of all aspects of the case. Both say they are shocked. Mrs P says its hard to look at the whole powell family. Mr C says they haven't been able to see the boys and they are pleased that the children are safe and out of the home. Mr. C says they hope the Police are getting closer to resolution and an arrest.
above paraphrased..... I will post link once it is posted to Today's site.
wm
link
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44668183#44668183
SuziQ
09-26-2011, 08:48 AM
What does that mean? Post in their favor and push their agenda on websites like the Tribune, KSL, and WS?
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp?page=2
(snip)
She said she heard from Powell twice after that — once in April when he and Josh asked her to represent them in the blogosphere (she declined)
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 08:59 AM
What does that mean? Post in their favor and push their agenda on websites like the Tribune, KSL, and WS?
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp?page=2
(snip)
She said she heard from Powell twice after that — once in April when he and Josh asked her to represent them in the blogosphere (she declined)
Hmmm. So SP and JP were asking people to get on the 'net and post things favorable to them? My, my. I'm sure we've never seen any results of that around here. Right? ;)
I love how news just keeps breaking in this case.
SuziQ
09-26-2011, 09:11 AM
For anyone who missed it. Last night Tricia interviewed Susan's friend Kiirsi. There was some interesting tidbits revealed.
Websleuths Radio Incredible Information about Susan and Josh Powell - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
gitana1
09-26-2011, 09:13 AM
Friend: Steve Powell was Obssessed with Susan, Porn for Years (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp)
Steven Powell Arrested in Washington State #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149759&page=26)
Wow. No wonder there hasn't been an arrest in this case. SP is nuts. He has been obsessed with Susan from the beginning. All his songs were about her. Crazy.
Frankly, I now have serious doubts about justice for Susan. Unless there is info indicating SP's whereabouts may have been in question when Susan went missing, I still think JP is solely responsible for her death. Perhaps not her disappearance, but her murder, yes.
But the problem is, with a father this kooky, reasonable doubt may be easy - JP just has to bring up his father's bizarre and ridiculously inappropriate behavior regarding Susan, etc. So, LE may need much more than they otherwise would, for an arrest, due to SP's obsessive and frightening behavior.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 09:27 AM
Wow. No wonder there hasn't been an arrest in this case. SP is nuts. He has been obsessed with Susan from the beginning. All his songs were about her. Crazy.
Frankly, I now have serious doubts about justice for Susan. Unless there is info indicating SP's whereabouts may have been in question when Susan went missing, I still think JP is solely responsible for her death. Perhaps not her disappearance, but her murder, yes.
But the problem is, with a father this kooky, reasonable doubt may be easy - JP just has to bring up his father's bizarre and ridiculously inappropriate behavior regarding Susan, etc. So, LE may need much more than they otherwise would, for an arrest, due to SP's obsessive and frightening behavior.
I don't know. I keep reading this (here), but it doesn't strike me as all that convincing. This is not the Anthony case. Here, the father was nearly 1,000 miles away at the time she disappeared...which in this case, is much more definite. I think if they get enough to charge JP, and his defense tries to suggest SP was involved...they will have a serious uphill battle. And unless there is actual, verifiable, credible evidence placing him closer to the SLC area, they will be laughed out of court.
And I don't think JP will get off by arguing that his daddy was a bad influence on him. I think most juries would listen to that and dislike him even more. He is just not appealing on any level, and that will help sink him.
waltzingmatilda
09-26-2011, 09:27 AM
Hi gitana1! You've gotta listen to the WS radio. Kiisi addresses the question about SP's
whereabouts when Susan went missing. I don't know if we're allowed to post the content of the interview here. There are definately some doozies!!! I just took a break after Kiirsi's interview to pick my jaw up off the floor. :P
wm
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 09:29 AM
Hi gitana1! You've gotta listen to the WS radio. Kiisi addresses the question about SP's
whereabouts when Susan went missing. I don't know if we're allowed to post the content of the interview here. There are definately some doozies!!! I just took a break after Kiirsi's interview to pick my jaw up off the floor. :P
wm
Gonna have to listen that, had a family dinner while it was live and couldn't. Thanks for the heads up.
gitana1
09-26-2011, 09:34 AM
I don't know. I keep reading this (here), but it doesn't strike me as all that convincing. This is not the Anthony case. Here, the father was nearly 1,000 miles away at the time she disappeared...which in this case, is much more definite. I think if they get enough to charge JP, and his defense tries to suggest SP was involved...they will have a serious uphill battle. And unless there is actual, verifiable, credible evidence placing him closer to the SLC area, they will be laughed out of court.
And I don't think JP will get off by arguing that his daddy was a bad influence on him. I think most juries would listen to that and dislike him even more. He is just not appealing on any level, and that will help sink him.
I hope you're right. You make sense, but if there is any question as to SP's whereabouts, we could be in trouble. The article is very good and I hope everyone will read it. Thanks Bessie!
I am listening to the radio broadcast but I don't have time to listen to all of it right now, so, Waltzing Matilda, it would be great if I could get a heads up, as to what Kiirsi said about SP's whereabouts.
Hi gitana1! You've gotta listen to the WS radio. Kiisi addresses the question about SP's
whereabouts when Susan went missing. I don't know if we're allowed to post the content of the interview here. There are definately some doozies!!! I just took a break after Kiirsi's interview to pick my jaw up off the floor. :P
wm
waltzingmatilda
09-26-2011, 09:44 AM
gitana1, According to Kiirsi, Le knows but isn't releasing that info at this time.
wm
Kimster
09-26-2011, 09:44 AM
She said she wants to know where SP was as well. I guess it's still a question even for her.
Kimster
09-26-2011, 09:45 AM
gitana1, According to Kiirsi, Le knows but isn't releasing that info at this time.
wm
We were posting at the same time! Yes, that too. But didn't she say she didn't know either? Maybe my short term memory needs another cup of java. :lol:
gitana1
09-26-2011, 09:53 AM
gitana1, According to Kiirsi, Le knows but isn't releasing that info at this time.
wm
Wow, I just heard. Guys, the broadcast is really worth a listen. What she divulges about Josh's behavior, especially with regard to their sons, prior to Susan's disappearance, and what she divulges regarding issues with SP, and communication between SP and JP in the time prior to the disappearance, is very interesting.
I don't want to give out all the info on this thread until more have had a chance to listen to it firsthand. Plus, I can't possibly explain everything I have heard thus far, from Kiirsi. Wow.
waltzingmatilda
09-26-2011, 09:59 AM
We were posting at the same time! Yes, that too. But didn't she say she didn't know either? Maybe my short term memory needs another cup of java. :lol:
LOL Kimster! you are right, she said she didn't know but LE did but wasn't releasing that info.
You and Tricia did a fabulous job, BTW, as well as the guests!!!:woohoo:
Thank you both!
wm
mysteriew
09-26-2011, 10:24 AM
What does that mean? Post in their favor and push their agenda on websites like the Tribune, KSL, and WS?
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp?page=2
(snip)
She said she heard from Powell twice after that — once in April when he and Josh asked her to represent them in the blogosphere (she declined)
Loved that article. I just knew that a lot of the movement lately was probably at least a partial result of info from the friend. LOL she told it like it was and SP confirmed enough of it that LE was able to find her credible.
Yes I noticed that quote too. Which means it is very possible that 'someone' is representing them the web. Which means that someone very well could be reading here. (Josh got your toothbrush packed? Today just might be the day!)
I did find it interesting that JP went to her instead of to his sis or bro. Or maybe the intention was to get several people doing it.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 10:41 AM
...Which means it is very possible that 'someone' is representing them the web. Which means that someone very well could be reading here. ....
And posting here.
redfish
09-26-2011, 11:46 AM
The WS interview was the best one ever, chock full of information. There is much from this interview to be discussed and verifies so much that posters here have suspected for a long time.
Is it my imagination or do the Cox family seem to be opening up more now? Information is seeming to be flowing out of the Susan camp much more freely. We may see an end soon!? Bless them and LE they have been strong and determined.
mysteriew
09-26-2011, 11:56 AM
And posting here.
Very true and has been suspected before in other cases. And if it happens it happens. LOL I've been here since 2004 and I have never seen any case where any member was able to turn the site from any suspect in any case. LOL sometimes suspicion remains even after LE clears someone.
So if he is posting here, I wish him luck.
ETA: LOL I would even welcome the P's or their reps to post here and would even try to be polite if they did. As long as they gave info in repayment for people listening. It's happened before, and we have found it helpful.
tiredblondy
09-26-2011, 12:18 PM
Loved that article. I just knew that a lot of the movement lately was probably at least a partial result of info from the friend. LOL she told it like it was and SP confirmed enough of it that LE was able to find her credible.
Yes I noticed that quote too. Which means it is very possible that 'someone' is representing them the web. Which means that someone very well could be reading here. (Josh got your toothbrush packed? Today just might be the day!)
I did find it interesting that JP went to her instead of to his sis or bro. Or maybe the intention was to get several people doing it.
After Susan first disappeared I was reading on Topix I can't remember where but there were posters saying bad things about Susan. I registered and told the other posters to ignore the mean posts that they were Josh and his Dad. What was amazing was one of them said back to me How do you know ?..I said Common Sense. They are the only ones in the world who ever said anything bad about Susan...LOL they never posted another comment.
tiredblondy
09-26-2011, 12:19 PM
Hey Guys, I have a question??? Did LE say they'd release more information today?
I thought I'd heard that somewhere..
TGIRecovered
09-26-2011, 12:42 PM
I assumed there would be some kind of news today.
Steve needs a lawyer so that needs to be addressed.
He is probably livid at the trampling of his rights surrounding his arrest and detention. He surely will have complaints about every aspect of the arrest, booking and his living conditions in jail. As embarassed as he claimed to be when he learned that his computer files and videos had been seized, I doubt it will keep him from inviting TV cameras and a reporter as soon as he is permitted to have visitors. He needs to throw a hissy-fit for the nightly news before he busts!
If we are not going to get any news today, I hope that it's because Steve is spending his time locked in a little room with two-way mirrors,(ahhh, the irony!), running his mouth and trying to blame it all on "love".
Lera213
09-26-2011, 12:45 PM
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.
LOL. He might actually be that stupid. (That really did make me laugh out loud, what a wonderful thought...)
waltzingmatilda
09-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Inside Edition just showed a piece on Susan's case. IE actually played a portion of SP singing 'I'm missing you'. I had never heard the songs, only read the lyrics. CREEPY!!!!
I sure hope SP has no delusions of appearing on 'the sing off' or the 'voice'. LOL!
MOO
wm
http://www.insideedition.com/news/6928/susan-powells-father-in-law-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges.aspx
tiredblondy
09-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Well I guess it is a little early for news although it is almost 1pm EST...I will have to come back...Take care guys...
My hope is they have found Susan. It would be great if she could be found alive !!!
I find it awful interesting the LE know where SP was but will not say.
Lera213
09-26-2011, 12:48 PM
LOL. He might actually be that stupid. (That really did make me laugh out loud, what a wonderful thought...)
Well yeah I see him being that stupid too that is why I said it.:great:
mysteriew
09-26-2011, 12:49 PM
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.
LOL I can see SP asking the court to be his own attorney.
But yes I think that he might want to testify. But in most cases any attorney is going to stop that at the first thought. I understand they can be very effective by letting the defendant know just what kind of questions they will be asked.
TGIRecovered
09-26-2011, 12:50 PM
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.
Without a doubt Lera!
...over his lawyer's dead body! :floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh:
(No, really I can't see him keeping his mouth shut! My apologies to lawyers everywhere!)
tiredblondy
09-26-2011, 12:51 PM
LOL. He might actually be that stupid. (That really did make me laugh out loud, what a wonderful thought...)
I can't imagine him keeping quiet although he did get quiet after the LE took his porn and other stuff.
Josh better smarten up if he thinks SP won't roll over on him I've got news for him. I would suspect the fear of SP being put in the general prison population would be a good motivator??
Lera213
09-26-2011, 12:51 PM
OT:
Kimster sorry for being a pain last night on the Radio Show
TGIRecovered
09-26-2011, 12:58 PM
Awww Lera, I can't imagine what you did that was a pain, but I get all choked up when I see a sincere apology!
It's because I have teenagers and they have so many things they owe me an apology for. When they finally do it melts my heart!
I'm sure that Kimster's heart must be melting at this very moment!
Lera213
09-26-2011, 01:00 PM
Awww Lera, I can't imagine what you did that was a pain, but I get all choked up when I see a sincere apology!
It's because I have teenagers and they have so many things they owe me an apology for. When they finally do it melts my heart!
I'm sure that Kimster's heart must be melting at this very moment!
I was a pain, kept asking question's and commenting on chat mucking everything up, making it harder for Kimster to follow chat. I must have posted 100 questions. LOL
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 01:05 PM
Inside Edition just showed a piece on Susan's case. IE actually played a portion of SP singing 'I'm missing you'. I had never heard the songs, only read the lyrics. CREEPY!!!!
I sure hope SP has no delusions of appearing on 'the sing off' or the 'voice'. LOL!
MOO
wm
http://www.insideedition.com/news/6928/susan-powells-father-in-law-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges.aspx
Yeah, he really is THAT BAD!! My dog can sing better.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 01:07 PM
I was a pain, kept asking question's and commenting on chat mucking everything up, making it harder for Kimster to follow chat. I must have posted 100 questions. LOL
Yeah, but it was great. Good questions, and Kimster did a good job of following along. You have nothing to apologize for.
Lera213
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Mr. Cox is now on Twitter, I am following him but will not tweet anything to him. Do not want to invade his time with my banter.
Lera213
09-26-2011, 01:19 PM
I hope LE is looking into Steven's background find out his favorite places, where he felt safe secure. Did he as a teen have one spot he use to go to a lot. His habits of creature because maybe these will gleam more insight. If SP was the one who took Susan from JP at some point he would have taken her to a place he was most comfortable or knew extremely well.
Lera213
09-26-2011, 01:29 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44668183#44668183 The Cox's are interviewed. This morning
DLT88
09-26-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't know. I keep reading this (here), but it doesn't strike me as all that convincing. This is not the Anthony case. Here, the father was nearly 1,000 miles away at the time she disappeared...which in this case, is much more definite. I think if they get enough to charge JP, and his defense tries to suggest SP was involved...they will have a serious uphill battle. And unless there is actual, verifiable, credible evidence placing him closer to the SLC area, they will be laughed out of court.
And I don't think JP will get off by arguing that his daddy was a bad influence on him. I think most juries would listen to that and dislike him even more. He is just not appealing on any level, and that will help sink him.
If it can be shown that SP helped JP 'poison' Susan (if that was the case) or hide the details, couldn't he be charged with "aiding and abetting a felony" which has very serious consequences.
Ellebelle
09-26-2011, 01:31 PM
My mind is racing. This man reminds me so much of my ex's brother that it makes me want to puke! No the creep I shared the same family with for five years didn't kill anyone that I know of, but so many more awful things and they have all swept it under the rug and act like he's some sort of God because he does well financially. Please pardon me if I am way off base.
I just keep wondering if SP is so intent to connect Susan and Steven Koecher is it so far fetched to anyone what lengths he would go to in order to make sure that it was believed they ran off together?
Anderson said when she asked if he had any text messages, phone calls or emails connecting the two, Powell pointed out that they were both Mormon and had worked in the same geographic area.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp?page=2
I put nothing past this man now. Nothing!
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 01:40 PM
If it can be shown that SP helped JP 'poison' Susan (if that was the case) or hide the details, couldn't he be charged with "aiding and abetting a felony" which has very serious consequences.
Of course. I don't know the sentencing structure in Utah or Washington (whichever would apply), but yes, it's on par with the underlying crime. What I thought was being suggested, though, was that JP may try a defense (assuming he is charged) that somehow implicated Daddy in Susan's death, thereby trying to pull off a Casey Defense (hey, maybe I just coined a new legal term...kind of like the Twinkie Defense...). I think that's a very very very long shot, unless they come up with something placing Daddy in Utah that weekend.
cocomod
09-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Thinking about Susan today; and hoping today is the day that Joshie looses his cool and makes another BIG mistake. Hoping that today is the day that either Josh or SP break and rat out the other!! Come on guys! You can do it! You are right, the other one is on the brink, so you better be first to get the better "deal". Come on, just fess up what you know!! {under breath Scumbags!}
scapa
09-26-2011, 02:00 PM
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.
Absolutely he would. The whole sorry saga of his life awkwardly counterpoised to the equally appalling story of his rise to greatness. And then the long fall back down, caused exclusively by the relentless lustful attentions of his daughter-in-law, then the tempting neighbourhood women and children, and so on, day after day. I can see it now:
"Your honour, if I might just have my guitar -- I've put my testimony to music..."
Save us.
s
Kimster
09-26-2011, 02:00 PM
OT:
Kimster sorry for being a pain last night on the Radio Show
:waitasec: You weren't a pain at all!
diphi
09-26-2011, 03:28 PM
Friend: Steve Powell was Obssessed with Susan, Porn for Years (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp)
Steven Powell Arrested in Washington State #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149759&page=26)
i just knew she would come out of the woodwork sooner or later. Now, who else wants to step up?
IMO
diphi
09-26-2011, 03:32 PM
Without a doubt Lera!
...over his lawyer's dead body! :floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh:
(No, really I can't see him keeping his mouth shut! My apologies to lawyers everywhere!)
Sure, I can see it. He's already done it on national tv, why not court?
IMO
Ellebelle
09-26-2011, 03:56 PM
I know we can't scope out his whole family and all but in situations like this with Stephen Powell, I would like to read and get to know the whole biography on a person. Who raised them, how they were raised, what they were like as children, what their parents were like, was his parents divorced or stayed married a long time, the grandparents, the siblings, I just would love to see it all. The truthful version of course. I crave this info so I can make my own conclusions as to what may have went wrong and when it started. If anyone in any and all parts of his life had even an inkling of the man he is. I know his daughter, Jennifer, has spoken out that that it didn't surprise her, but I'm meaning others, too, like the rest of his family, friends, co-workers and his ex-wife.
Jennifer seems to be a very moral person and I applaud her in that!
Lera213
09-26-2011, 04:11 PM
JVM tweeted: issueswithjvm Jane Velez-Mitchell
Susan Powell's father-in-law just arrested on child porn charges. Now his friend is saying he was obsessed w/ Susan! Details at 7pET/4pPT.
I replied: Doh! so what's so new about that?
Ellebelle
09-26-2011, 04:14 PM
I wish my mind would stop!
Didn't they said the pics from Stephen's collection was 2006-2007? There is more pictures out there somewhere, in my opinion. Wondering if he has a lockbox??
Kimster
09-26-2011, 04:21 PM
I wish my mind would stop!
Didn't they said the pics from Stephen's collection was 2006-2007? There is more pictures out there somewhere, in my opinion. Wondering if he has a lockbox??
I think those are just the ones he was charged for. I believe they still have a ton to go through.
HatesSociopaths
09-26-2011, 04:30 PM
I know we can't scope out his whole family and all but in situations like this with Stephen Powell, I would like to read and get to know the whole biography on a person. Who raised them, how they were raised, what they were like as children, what their parents were like, was his parents divorced or stayed married a long time, the grandparents, the siblings, I just would love to see it all. The truthful version of course. I crave this info so I can make my own conclusions as to what may have went wrong and when it started. If anyone in any and all parts of his life had even an inkling of the man he is. I know his daughter, Jennifer, has spoken out that that it didn't surprise her, but I'm meaning others, too, like the rest of his family, friends, co-workers and his ex-wife.
Jennifer seems to be a very moral person and I applaud her in that!
I understand what you are talking about.
I have been doing a little research into Steve Powell. What is interesting is that his good friend Sandy is the president of an ex-Mormon group in Washington. She helps organize meet-ups of ex-Mormons in the Seattle area.
Steve as we know has been very vocal about his anti-Mormon views, and from what Sandy has said, these views of SP are voiced in discussion groups online. I am looking for those records now, they should be online somewhere.
I have also researched the crux of the problem between JP and Susan. It is my theory that JP had basic survival needs (finance, caring for the kids) for Susan to be alive, and that the only reason he would have killed her is from the deranged idea that his survival was enhanced by doing so. In this case, it would allow him to keep the kids and not be stuck with child support payments for the next 16 years.
The crux of the problem was their religious views were at polar opposites due to the propaganda being put out by his dad, Steven Powell.
What makes this problem more significant than the average couple is the type of religion that was the issue here. Here is an interesting summation of this point from a website that takes on the issue:
And it’s quite a difference indeed when the subject is
Mormonism. It’s a common problem: A man and a
woman, both True Believers, fall in love and marry. Then
one of them leaves the church but the other still believes,
and although they still love each other, suddenly their
whole world is shattered.
In some churches it doesn’t matter much. “I’m a Baptist, you’re a Methodist, but hey, we both worship the
same God, so no big deal. One of us can switch, or we can
work out a compromise, or we can just ignore the differences. No problem.”
But for a Mormon couple it isn’t that simple. There is
the matter of Celestial marriage, the question of raising the
kids to go on missions, the burden of tithing, the distress of
being ostracized by relatives, and many other problems
that don’t lend themselves to compromise. Consequently,
a frequently asked question on ex-Mormon websites is
“How do I get my spouse to change –– or at least to understand my point of view?”
http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/April%202008%20Expositor_0.pdf
I have talked about the deadline Susan gave JP of April 6, 2010 to get a recommendation from their temple, otherwise she was going to divorce him. What has come to light in the last couple of days with the interviews is that there was an even earlier deadline of December 31, 2009, for JP to get more active with the church and have regular attendance.
Susan's disappearance was on a Sunday that was just 3 weeks before this deadline. That Sunday, JP did not go to church. For a lot of us, this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but we should look at it from Susan's perspective, the problem she was trying to solve, her deadline, and what her likely reaction to this would be, also keeping in mind that her friends have said she was outspoken and not a wimp.
The argument that would have unfolded that day could have been a highly charged one with Susan having had it with JP, knowing that he was in no position to get a recommendation by the deadline. Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce, her friends were likely in similar frames of mind, and the earlier concerns about not staying true to her religious beliefs about marriage may have receded to the point she could comfortably enough say to JP that she was done with him. More than anything, I have gathered that Susan would have been doing it to ensure her sons were brought up as per Mormon doctrine, and that the marriage with JP was simply not going to work.
We know now that JP had a 15 minute conversation with SP that very day, per JP about how to make pancakes. That was Susan's last meal.
SP, with his constant nullification of Susan and her cherished Mormon beliefs, worked the spell on JP that ruined their marriage. He also probably "warned" him about the messy divorce he had, how hard and hopeless the custody battle would be in Utah, how stiff his child support payments would be, how the LDS was "behind it", and that there has to be a "better way." He over time developed this into a user-friendly method for JP to kill Susan, the feminine preferred method of poisoning the victim. That fateful Sunday, JP got worked up enough from the argument to have the nerve to go through with it.
MOO.
amysmom
09-26-2011, 05:00 PM
A few days ago I asked how many miles it is from JP's home in Utah to SP's in WA..Also, how many miles did JP put on that rental car when he took off for 24 hrs the day after Susan turned up missing..If I got a reply I missed it which is why I'm asking again :)
I'd like to know cos I strongly feel SP is involved in at least helping to dispose of Susan..If the mileage doesn't fit it's still possible SP met JP somewhere in between..Or maybe SP was already in Utah by then? He may have left ASAP to be with JP & the kids when he got the news Susan was missing..Do we have any info on this?
What I'd really love to know is how JP felt about his father's 'obsession' with his wife..Surely he had to be aware of it since Susan was..Did he think it was SICK & was he angry with his father? That would be a logical conclusion for any NORMAL person/husband/son..I realize that's not what we're dealing with in this case tho..So, I can't rule out it's possible he could handle that but NOT Susan reciprocating in any way..This could very well be the 'motive' for her murder. imho
eta..What I meant to say is NOT that Susan did or would reciprocate but JP may have believed that to be true.
Dr. Know?
09-26-2011, 05:00 PM
Hates, I would have searched SP earlier but personal crisis and malware are preventing me to search via pipl.com. If you have an email address you can also possibly find usernames on sites. You can search via Name/location, phone, email, username etc...all public documents and public forums might come up. There's others but that one hasn't failed me until now.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 05:07 PM
.... Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce,...
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?
diphi
09-26-2011, 05:09 PM
I understand what you are talking about.
I have been doing a little research into Steve Powell. What is interesting is that his good friend Sandy is the president of an ex-Mormon group in Washington. She helps organize meet-ups of ex-Mormons in the Seattle area.
Steve as we know has been very vocal about his anti-Mormon views, and from what Sandy has said, these views of SP are voiced in discussion groups online. I am looking for those records now, they should be online somewhere.
I have also researched the crux of the problem between JP and Susan. It is my theory that JP had basic survival needs (finance, caring for the kids) for Susan to be alive, and that the only reason he would have killed her is from the deranged idea that his survival was enhanced by doing so. In this case, it would allow him to keep the kids and not be stuck with child support payments for the next 16 years.
The crux of the problem was their religious views were at polar opposites due to the propaganda being put out by his dad, Steven Powell.
What makes this problem more significant than the average couple is the type of religion that was the issue here. Here is an interesting summation of this point from a website that takes on the issue:
http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/April%202008%20Expositor_0.pdf
I have talked about the deadline Susan gave JP of April 6, 2010 to get a recommendation from their temple, otherwise she was going to divorce him. What has come to light in the last couple of days with the interviews is that there was an even earlier deadline of December 31, 2009, for JP to get more active with the church and have regular attendance.
Susan's disappearance was on a Sunday that was just 3 weeks before this deadline. That Sunday, JP did not go to church. For a lot of us, this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but we should look at it from Susan's perspective, the problem she was trying to solve, her deadline, and what her likely reaction to this would be, also keeping in mind that her friends have said she was outspoken and not a wimp.
The argument that would have unfolded that day could have been a highly charged one with Susan having had it with JP, knowing that he was in no position to get a recommendation by the deadline. Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce, her friends were likely in similar frames of mind, and the earlier concerns about not staying true to her religious beliefs about marriage may have receded to the point she could comfortably enough say to JP that she was done with him. More than anything, I have gathered that Susan would have been doing it to ensure her sons were brought up as per Mormon doctrine, and that the marriage with JP was simply not going to work.
We know now that JP had a 15 minute conversation with SP that very day, per JP about how to make pancakes. That was Susan's last meal.
SP, with his constant nullification of Susan and her cherished Mormon beliefs, worked the spell on JP that ruined their marriage. He also probably "warned" him about the messy divorce he had, how hard and hopeless the custody battle would be in Utah, how stiff his child support payments would be, how the LDS was "behind it", and that there has to be a "better way." He over time developed this into a user-friendly method for JP to kill Susan, the feminine preferred method of poisoning the victim. That fateful Sunday, JP got worked up enough from the argument to have the nerve to go through with it.
MOO.
I agree with a lot you've said, but be aware that we have been warned of "Morman bashing" here. I'm not sure how to define that, since a lot of what has been posted has been mostly for education purposes, which I think a lot of people (including me) need. Just sayin' be careful where you step. Religion, no matter how relevant, may not be an appropriate subject.
IMO
passionflower
09-26-2011, 05:12 PM
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?
Not really,unusual. My X and I both went to counceling.
The counselor said that she felt I needed to get divorse counceling
because here was no way my X would even try to change.
She ws so right and in my mind it saved my life before abuse got worse.
I hd 2 young children to get out of the stuation.
Just like Susan.
The most dangerous time is when the spouse thinks you are leaving.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 05:13 PM
I agree with a lot you've said, but be aware that we have been warned of "Morman bashing" here. I'm not sure how to define that, since a lot of what has been posted has been mostly for education purposes, which I think a lot of people (including me) need. Just sayin' be careful where you step. Religion, no matter how relevant, may not be an appropriate subject.
IMO
Thank you. I was a bit put off by the quoted language, having been raised in the Mormon church and being pretty familiar with the culture. But I didn't want to appear to be picking fight.
But yeah, some of that stuff, to the extent it is presented as "fact", is pretty silly. Taking quotes from an anti-Mormon site to explain "problems in Mormon marriages" is a bit much....
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 05:14 PM
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?
I don't know for sure if her counselor was recommending that, but her neighbor friend and fellow church member who recommended the marriage counseling, Tim Peterson, did tell her she should divorce Josh. Mormons don't take divorce lightly. It must have been a really rotten marriage for Peterson to advise her like that. I don't think Peterson was alone in his sentiments.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Not really,unusual. My X and I both went to counceling.
The counselor said that she felt I needed to get divorse counceling
because here was no way my X would even try to change.
She ws so right and in my mind it saved my life before abuse got worse.
I hd 2 young children to get out of the stuation.
Just like Susan.
The most dangerous time is when the spouse thinks you are leaving.
I didn't say it was unheard of. I think any professional worth anything would counsel someone to get out of a situation involving abuse. I said it was unusual. I've spent many years dealing with marital issues, my wife is a matrimonial lawyer (and former chief Clerk for a matrimonial court), and I am personally and professionally acquainted with a number of marriage counselors. If people go to a marriage counselor (as opposed to a therapist in general), they are usually of a mind that their marriage is fix-able. Most counselors will try to build on that and help them fix the problems.
That's why I asked. If a marriage counselor told Susan she needed to get a divorce, very likely that person has a lot of information about little Joshy boy that could be of use to LE. Where is that person? What is that info?
ETA: I meant to also say, I'm sorry for you regarding your personal situation, and glad that you found a wise counselor to help you escape it.
passionflower
09-26-2011, 05:19 PM
To get an idea of all this we really need to know how SP felt about certain things like religion, how he fed his children his delusions.
I would like to know the family dynamics of how the other 2 adult children stay with dad.
How big is the house?
Does everone have a bedroom? (5?)
1. SP
2. JP
3. the boys
4. Sister
5. Brother with bi polar
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 05:21 PM
I don't know for sure if her counselor was recommending that, but her neighbor friend and fellow church member who recommended the marriage counseling, Tim Peterson, did tell her she should divorce Josh. Mormons don't take divorce lightly. It must have been a really rotten marriage for Peterson to advise her like that. I don't think Peterson was alone in his sentiments.
I agree totally that Mormons do not take divorce lightly. The statement above said her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce. I would like to know where that came from... That's not the same thing as friends or co-worshipers. A marriage counselor is a professional with a defined function and professional licensing and guideline issues. It's a far more serious matter.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 05:24 PM
To get an idea of all this we really need to know how SP felt about certain things like religion, how he fed his children his delusions.
I would like to know the family dynamics of how the other 2 adult children stay with dad.
How big is the house?
Does everone have a bedroom? (5?)
1. SP
2. JP
3. the boys
4. Sister
5. Brother with bi polar
I imagine they do not have bedrooms to themselves. I doubt there are more than 4 bedrooms. Maybe they have an office that has been converted. Or JP is sharing with the boys.
Dr.Fessel
09-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Steve is still in jail.
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Steven-Powell-remains-in-Tacoma-jail/dw8XUYUPK02ij5SLAVcIug.cspx?rss=20&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
cocomod
09-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Exclusive Detectives Club visits SLC
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=17406808
A group of renowned detectives from around the world have gathered in Salt Lake City this week to discuss cold case homicides.
The Vidocq Society has a stringent criteria of what cases they will hear. Most of the specific cases the group will be hearing in Utah are not being revealed.
Susan's case is not a cold case, but I wish that they would be able to sleuth information and try to help put some of the pieces of this puzzle together for LE. I know, I know, Iam just impatient! I want Josh behind bars now! (And I know that I am assuming his guilt without complete evidence, but I am not a juror! ;) )
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 05:25 PM
I agree totally that Mormons do not take divorce lightly. The statement above said her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce. I would like to know where that came from... That's not the same thing as friends or co-worshipers. A marriage counselor is a professional with a defined function and professional licensing and guideline issues. It's a far more serious matter.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that maybe it wasn't actually the counselor who recommended it, but Peterson instead. At the beginning there was a news story that incorrectly identified him as their marriage counselor and it sort of 'stuck'.
Dr.Fessel
09-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Here is something I don't understand, all these people that are finally coming out and saying what Josh and Steve Powell were really like are the same people that ran to the aide of Josh when he was moving.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 05:29 PM
I guess the point I was trying to make is that maybe it wasn't actually the counselor who recommended it, but Peterson instead. At the beginning there was a news story that incorrectly identified him as their marriage counselor and it sort of 'stuck'.
OK, fine. If that's the case, it was simply a mistake. I am sometimes troubled by the extent to which "mistakes" or "assumptions" or just plain sloppy reporting is somehow translated into "facts" leading to "conclusions" etc etc. But to err is human, no? :)
So. There is no evidence that any marriage counselor ever "urged Susan to get a divorce"? Is that correct? Does anyone know otherwise?
passionflower
09-26-2011, 05:29 PM
Do we have SP on video anywhere the day or so after Susan was missing?
I am wondering if he also had red chapped hands.
Scratches or anything that would relate to Susan disappearing.
Dr.Fessel
09-26-2011, 05:33 PM
OK, fine. If that's the case, it was simply a mistake. I am sometimes troubled by the extent to which "mistakes" or "assumptions" or just plain sloppy reporting is somehow translated into "facts" leading to "conclusions" etc etc. But to err is human, no? :)
So. There is no evidence that any marriage counselor ever "urged Susan to get a divorce"? Is that correct? Does anyone know otherwise?
I believe there was something about the counselor being on board with the time limit Susan gave Josh to straighten up but I don't remember where it is at.
It would be second hand from a friend or family.
cocomod
09-26-2011, 05:33 PM
Do we have SP on video anywhere the day or so after Susan was missing?
I am wondering if he also had red chapped hands.
Scratches or anything that would relate to Susan disappearing.
I have kept up with this case from the beginning. I do not recall SP ever giving an interview in the beginning.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 05:35 PM
OK, fine. If that's the case, it was simply a mistake. I am sometimes troubled by the extent to which "mistakes" or "assumptions" or just plain sloppy reporting is somehow translated into "facts" leading to "conclusions" etc etc. But to err is human, no? :)
So. There is no evidence that any marriage counselor ever "urged Susan to get a divorce"? Is that correct? Does anyone know otherwise?
I have been searching and cannot find any concrete reference that a bona fide counselor recommended divorce. Only her friends.
amysmom
09-26-2011, 05:36 PM
Do we have SP on video anywhere the day or so after Susan was missing?
I am wondering if he also had red chapped hands.
Scratches or anything that would relate to Susan disappearing.
I've seen this comment a few xs since coming in LATE to this case..Can you explain please? TIA!
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 05:37 PM
Here is something I don't understand, all these people that are finally coming out and saying what Josh and Steve Powell were really like are the same people that ran to the aide of Josh when he was moving.
Listen to the radio show from yesterday. Kiirsi talks about that. They were all suspicious immediately and showed up to make sure Susan's things were treated with respect and not tossed out and to keep an eye out for any clues that might help or to see if JP would trust one of them enough to slip.
passionflower
09-26-2011, 05:40 PM
I've seen this comment a few xs since coming in LATE to this case..Can you explain please? TIA!
The neighbor Peterson said that JP hands were very chapped, wind burnt?
and that JP kept rubbing cream on them.
I am wondering now about SP hands or any physical evidence on his body,
like if Susan fought him etc. Not finding anyone seeing SP that day???
diphi
09-26-2011, 05:43 PM
I've seen this comment a few xs since coming in LATE to this case..Can you explain please? TIA!
As far as I know, and I've been following pretty much since the beginning, no one knows the actions or whereabouts of SP during those critical hours when Susan went missing. Obviously, I wish we knew now. There is no explanation, YET.
IMO
snupy
09-26-2011, 05:46 PM
And posting here.
I am sure the Powells obtained the Steven Koecher timeline from here and posted it their website.
amysmom
09-26-2011, 05:48 PM
The neighbor Peterson said that JP hands were very chapped, wind burnt?
and that JP kept rubbing cream on them.
I am wondering now about SP hands or any physical evidence on his body,
like if Susan fought him etc. Not finding anyone seeing SP that day???
Would that NOT help to make the case he was really camping with the kids that night? Some could believe that but it could also mean he was out in the elements burying Susan's body!
eta..I can't rule out SP was there that night & he's the one that murdered Susan! Not til I hear from LE they know for a FACT he was not..OTH! How can we rule out that JP didn't take Susan to SP's for him to do the dirty deed? He was gone from around 11/12am til 5/6pm the next night IF I have this info correct.
amysmom
09-26-2011, 05:49 PM
I am sure the Powells obtained the Steven Koecher timeline from here and posted it their website.
They do say on their website it came from post/s on "WS".
diphi
09-26-2011, 05:50 PM
I imagine they do not have bedrooms to themselves. I doubt there are more than 4 bedrooms. Maybe they have an office that has been converted. Or JP is sharing with the boys.
i asked the question of the house size in a previous post. I agree 4 bedrooms seems about right for that house, at the most, and no special office. Tight squeeze, for sure.
IMO
gitana1
09-26-2011, 05:54 PM
I agree with a lot you've said, but be aware that we have been warned of "Morman bashing" here. I'm not sure how to define that, since a lot of what has been posted has been mostly for education purposes, which I think a lot of people (including me) need. Just sayin' be careful where you step. Religion, no matter how relevant, may not be an appropriate subject.
IMO
I don't think anything quoted there would be considered Mormon bashing at all. The ex-Mormon site cited within the quote certainly has that but the post, IMO was absolutely fine.
The fact that SP clearly had a hatred for the Mormon religion and was influencing his son in that way, and the fact that religion was a very important issue in the relationship and one that, reportedly, may have determined whether the couple stayed together, or did not, makes the religious views of all concerned, highly, highly relevant to this case.
Reporting on hatred potential suspects may have towards the victim's religion seems fine, from what I understand of the rules. Posters personally criticizing a religion or speculating about the validity of it, or questioning the values of its adherents, well, that is very different.
Here is something I don't understand, all these people that are finally coming out and saying what Josh and Steve Powell were really like are the same people that ran to the aide of Josh when he was moving.
I urge anyone who has not listened to the radio broadcast featuring Kiirsi Hellewell, to do so as soon as possible. Her insights into JP, how he treated the kids before the disappearance, his communications with his father around that time, etc., seem pivotal to this case. Very intriguing. And she really explains well why refrained from criticism of JP and even tried to befriend him or act friendly toward him. Fascinating.
passionflower
09-26-2011, 05:57 PM
do we have a pic of SP house? Does it have fence round it?
Just imgine if he snuck a still alive Susan into his house for couple of days?
Like in Jaycee or Elizabeth's cses nd then she died there?
That would explin that JP took rental car and left for a day.
Back to dad's?
This is so frustrating.
amysmom
09-26-2011, 06:00 PM
i asked the question of the house size in a previous post. I agree 4 bedrooms seems about right for that house, at the most, and no special office. Tight squeeze, for sure.
IMO
Can someone look up the RE info on this house? I know it can be done & it would provide the answer to how many bedrooms there are.
I would but have NO clue how to do it..I'm a stinky sleuther :(
Dr. Know?
09-26-2011, 06:15 PM
Zillow.com is a good site for real estate Amysmom. I don't have the address to search for it.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 06:17 PM
i asked the question of the house size in a previous post. I agree 4 bedrooms seems about right for that house, at the most, and no special office. Tight squeeze, for sure.
IMO
Just looked at the tax info:
5 bedrooms, 2.75 baths, 3200 sq ft, paid $270k in 2004. Refi for $177k, (2nd mortgage?) this past July.
LCoastMom
09-26-2011, 06:26 PM
Here is something I don't understand, all these people that are finally coming out and saying what Josh and Steve Powell were really like are the same people that ran to the aide of Josh when he was moving.
From what I read in a news article, hold your friends close - your enemies closer, applies to the situation.
Susan had (has) a lot of people looking out for her best interest.
HatesSociopaths
09-26-2011, 06:32 PM
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?
I agree totally that Mormons do not take divorce lightly. The statement above said her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce. I would like to know where that came from... That's not the same thing as friends or co-worshipers. A marriage counselor is a professional with a defined function and professional licensing and guideline issues. It's a far more serious matter.
OK, fine. If that's the case, it was simply a mistake. I am sometimes troubled by the extent to which "mistakes" or "assumptions" or just plain sloppy reporting is somehow translated into "facts" leading to "conclusions" etc etc. But to err is human, no? :)
So. There is no evidence that any marriage counselor ever "urged Susan to get a divorce"? Is that correct? Does anyone know otherwise?
I am searching for the exact place I heard it, I've reviewed a lot and listened to a lot on this case and I should have made a better note of it. I want to say Kiirsi said it in her interview, but I am not sure. I did find these references to it, I will keep looking for the wording I give, as I don't think I arrived at that without direct mention of it. Here is what I have so far:
When Josh and Susan Powell were first married, both were very active in the LDS Church, Petersen said. They were sealed in the temple. But once they moved to Utah, Josh Powell stopped attending church.
Petersen said the Powells' marriage counselor instructed Susan Powell to set specific goals. Susan Powell told her husband that her goal was for him to become active in the church again by the end of 2009 and to have his temple recommend again by their anniversary in the spring. Otherwise, she was going to divorce him and take the children, Petersen said.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353673/Powell-took-his-time-getting-home-neighbor-says.html?pg=2
Chuck Cox said his daughter saw a marriage counselor and that counselor also suggested a separate account.
Friends of Susan told The Tribune in late December that she was keeping a separate bank account and arranging for a place to go in the event she needed to leave her husband. The friends, who requested anonymity at that time because police had asked them not to speak to the media, said Susan was worried Josh Powell might kidnap their children and try to break her financially.
Members of the Cox family have also said Susan spoke of a divorce if things didn’t improve by her April anniversary.
http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/sltrib/pages/printerfriendly.csp?id=50609169
Susan Powell Was Preparing For Possible Divorce Sources Say - YouTube
GutInstinct
09-26-2011, 06:35 PM
HatesSociopaths: I always enjoy your posts. Thank you. I agree with your scenario. I do believe that Susan's murder was premeditated. JP probably had a couple of dates and times in his mind. That 15 min call with Daddy - was the time is now. Hate to even ponder this thought, but if SP participated in the planning of Susan's death, he MAY have also had the opportunity to live out his fantasy/obsession. Drugged or deceased. Ugh. Thoughts?
I understand what you are talking about.
I have been doing a little research into Steve Powell. What is interesting is that his good friend Sandy is the president of an ex-Mormon group in Washington. She helps organize meet-ups of ex-Mormons in the Seattle area.
Steve as we know has been very vocal about his anti-Mormon views, and from what Sandy has said, these views of SP are voiced in discussion groups online. I am looking for those records now, they should be online somewhere.
I have also researched the crux of the problem between JP and Susan. It is my theory that JP had basic survival needs (finance, caring for the kids) for Susan to be alive, and that the only reason he would have killed her is from the deranged idea that his survival was enhanced by doing so. In this case, it would allow him to keep the kids and not be stuck with child support payments for the next 16 years.
The crux of the problem was their religious views were at polar opposites due to the propaganda being put out by his dad, Steven Powell.
What makes this problem more significant than the average couple is the type of religion that was the issue here. Here is an interesting summation of this point from a website that takes on the issue:
http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/April%202008%20Expositor_0.pdf
I have talked about the deadline Susan gave JP of April 6, 2010 to get a recommendation from their temple, otherwise she was going to divorce him. What has come to light in the last couple of days with the interviews is that there was an even earlier deadline of December 31, 2009, for JP to get more active with the church and have regular attendance.
Susan's disappearance was on a Sunday that was just 3 weeks before this deadline. That Sunday, JP did not go to church. For a lot of us, this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but we should look at it from Susan's perspective, the problem she was trying to solve, her deadline, and what her likely reaction to this would be, also keeping in mind that her friends have said she was outspoken and not a wimp.
The argument that would have unfolded that day could have been a highly charged one with Susan having had it with JP, knowing that he was in no position to get a recommendation by the deadline. Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce, her friends were likely in similar frames of mind, and the earlier concerns about not staying true to her religious beliefs about marriage may have receded to the point she could comfortably enough say to JP that she was done with him. More than anything, I have gathered that Susan would have been doing it to ensure her sons were brought up as per Mormon doctrine, and that the marriage with JP was simply not going to work.
We know now that JP had a 15 minute conversation with SP that very day, per JP about how to make pancakes. That was Susan's last meal.
SP, with his constant nullification of Susan and her cherished Mormon beliefs, worked the spell on JP that ruined their marriage. He also probably "warned" him about the messy divorce he had, how hard and hopeless the custody battle would be in Utah, how stiff his child support payments would be, how the LDS was "behind it", and that there has to be a "better way." He over time developed this into a user-friendly method for JP to kill Susan, the feminine preferred method of poisoning the victim. That fateful Sunday, JP got worked up enough from the argument to have the nerve to go through with it.
MOO.
Dr.Fessel
09-26-2011, 07:49 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705391464/Sheriffs-office-removed-Powell-children-for-safety-2-judges-may-review-case-separately.html
The Sheriff is the one who decided to take Josh's kids from him. I think this is very important that the Sheriff decided on his own to take them. To take someones kids without a really good reason opens him up to a big lawsuit. I really think they have found evidence of what happened to Susan. The kids were not taken away just because Steve is a peeping tom or looks at child porn. They knew his bail would not allow him to be around kids. They found some good evidence to Susans demise.
Pensfan
09-26-2011, 07:51 PM
Would that NOT help to make the case he was really camping with the kids that night? Some could believe that but it could also mean he was out in the elements burying Susan's body!
eta..I can't rule out SP was there that night & he's the one that murdered Susan! Not til I hear from LE they know for a FACT he was not..OTH! How can we rule out that JP didn't take Susan to SP's for him to do the dirty deed? He was gone from around 11/12am til 5/6pm the next night IF I have this info correct.
Would a blowtorch cause such a burn if someone used cheap welding gloves? :(
Dr.Fessel
09-26-2011, 07:59 PM
I agree with the above. I think it had been planned out and that was the day it finally happened. I think Josh took so long to prepare the meal because he was hoping their guest would go home. I think he poisoned Susan's pancakes and she went to sleep. He went sledding with the boys hoping to come home to find her dead. I think she vomited or something on the living room carpet and he had to clean that up. He packed her in the back of the car and the alarm went off during that time. He then put the boys in the car and they took off to find a super good hiding spot for her body. Whether she was yet dead or died enroute, or--heaven forbid--after being left in the elements close to death, we may never know.
I believe Josh did this alone, but with close instruction and encouragement from his father in order to avoid losing the boys and paying child support. After all, that is the way the Powell family has done things for many generations.
I am not sure the stain is from Susan getting sick. Josh's sister went in with the police when they broke in and she called the Cox's and told them about the wet carpet and fans blowing on it and from that report the Cox's said they hoped the family was at an emergency room.
When the police cut the carpet out of the living room they took approx. 1/3 of the carpet in that room. There would not have been any reason to take that much if it was just vomit. If it was a blood stain that someone cleaned up they would take that much carpet for comparison test.
I am sure it was blood just not enough to prove she died there.
vlpate
09-26-2011, 08:16 PM
Friend: Steve Powell was Obssessed with Susan, Porn for Years (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp)
Steven Powell Arrested in Washington State #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149759&page=26)
She gave the police this information January 2010 ... it took them almost two years to search for it. Wow.
HatesSociopaths
09-26-2011, 08:18 PM
HatesSociopaths: I always enjoy your posts. Thank you. I agree with your scenario. I do believe that Susan's murder was premeditated. JP probably had a couple of dates and times in his mind. That 15 min call with Daddy - was the time is now. Hate to even ponder this thought, but if SP participated in the planning of Susan's death, he MAY have also had the opportunity to live out his fantasy/obsession. Drugged or deceased. Ugh. Thoughts?
Thank you. I have an impression that LE may have traced SP's moves to Ely, NV at some point, possibly the night of Susan's disappearance. Per Kiirsi in her interview, LE will not reveal where SP was that night, but that they do have info on that.
I am totally on board with your suspicion that SP may have also wanted that body. I could quote former FBI profiler Robert Ressler more on that, if interested. It is blunt and may be too disturbing for some readers, however.
The main thing is to observe SP's behavior from what we know now, recognize the fantasy driven conduct, and draw possible theories/conclusions based on past offender's fantasy driven conduct with regards to a corpse. I'll leave it at that for now.
MOO.
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 08:24 PM
Can someone look up the RE info on this house? I know it can be done & it would provide the answer to how many bedrooms there are.
I would but have NO clue how to do it..I'm a stinky sleuther :(
Someone had posted info on his house previous on another thread. There are 4 bedrooms. Not to say an office could be used as one, or that the house had a full basement that Josh or boys could use. imo
vlpate
09-26-2011, 08:27 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705391464/Sheriffs-office-removed-Powell-children-for-safety-2-judges-may-review-case-separately.html
The Sheriff is the one who decided to take Josh's kids from him. I think this is very important that the Sheriff decided on his own to take them. To take someones kids without a really good reason opens him up to a big lawsuit. I really think they have found evidence of what happened to Susan. The kids were not taken away just because Steve is a peeping tom or looks at child porn. They knew his bail would not allow him to be around kids. They found some good evidence to Susans demise.
I don't understand putting those two little boys in foster care - why not with Susan's parents? They've been through so much - they must be very confused.
HotLavaJavas
09-26-2011, 08:40 PM
Sorry I've been MIA today.
Regarding Kiirsi's interview, I found the call from JP to SP for a pancake recipe especially telling.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 08:59 PM
I am not sure the stain is from Susan getting sick. Josh's sister went in with the police when they broke in and she called the Cox's and told them about the wet carpet and fans blowing on it and from that report the Cox's said they hoped the family was at an emergency room.
When the police cut the carpet out of the living room they took approx. 1/3 of the carpet in that room. There would not have been any reason to take that much if it was just vomit. If it was a blood stain that someone cleaned up they would take that much carpet for comparison test.
I am sure it was blood just not enough to prove she died there.
You are right. I forgot about that part where Jennifer immediately thought they must be at the hospital. Quite likely there was blood. I am also thinking of the "Oucheee Mommy" comment the little one made.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:01 PM
Someone had posted info on his house previous on another thread. There are 4 bedrooms. Not to say an office could be used as one, or that the house had a full basement that Josh or boys could use. imo
Tax records indicate 5 bedrooms, and I don't think they build houses around here with basements anymore. Too expensive.
passionflower
09-26-2011, 09:04 PM
Just looked at the tax info:
5 bedrooms, 2.75 baths, 3200 sq ft, paid $270k in 2004. Refi for $177k, (2nd mortgage?) this past July.
SP was a single man wasn't he when he bought the house?
His children were grown up.
Why would he buy 5 bedroom 2.75 bath house in a gated community.
On a wage from the WA. Dept of corrections?
His music sure didn't feed him.........hmmmmmm
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:05 PM
SP was a single man wasn't he when he bought the house?
His children were grown up.
Why would he buy 5 bedroom 2.75 bath house in a gated community.
On a wage from the WA. Dept of corrections?
His music sure didn't feed him.........hmmmmmm
Hoping Susan and Josh would move back with the kids? Maybe he just likes having his freeloading adult children live with him. Then he can control every single aspect of their lives dawn to dusk.
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:06 PM
Some interesting posts were made by Jennifer Graves' husband a while back that might be interesting to read now. Among the things he said:
>Did Josh Powell go on spending sprees?
Josh liked to spend BIG money. His purchases tended to be expensive and "fancy". example: $700 for gas powered R/C cars (multiple), large power tools for wood working, computer equipment he didn't really need but was really "neat".
>Did Josh Powell spend a lot of time on the computer?
He fancied himself a programmer. That requires a lot of computer time.
>Did Susan and Josh go grocery shopping together?
Not to my knowledge.
>When out for dinner with others at a restaurant, did Josh leave a tip?
don't know. However I do know he was cheap, so likely not, or very little.
>What were Josh's hobbies? Did he ever go hunting or fishing by himself?
He wasn't a fisherman or hunter type. His hobbies changes often, and usually involved something expensive he could spend money on. Wood working is the only hobby I know he stuck with.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97617&page=2
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:08 PM
Also:
"SP's father was married 4 times. SP's mother was married 2 times."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97617&page=2
(Post 32)
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:09 PM
">Did Josh tell you or anyone you know where he went to college and did he present himself as having a degree in Business?
Yes, in fact he told the family that he had graduated and just didn't want to walk. Additionally, he managed to build up a HUGE amount of debt in school loans. I don't know the actual amount, but it is in the range of $60K.
>Did you ever see a diploma hanging up at his house?
No"
Same link, post 39
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 09:11 PM
">Would you say Steven Powell held a lot of influence over Josh?
yes
>Did Josh respect him and would he do whatever the old man wanted him to do?
I suspect yes.
>Why do you think Josh wouldn't let Susan use the computer at home?
control issues.
>Did Josh ever tell you or Jennifer why he quit going to church?
He gave reasons, but they all sounded like paroting of SP's anti-mormon retoric.
>Is Steven Powell really supporting four grown unemployed children and two grandchildren at that house?
yes
>Does he make a lot of money to do that or is it draining his resources?
He make a decent income, but nothing extraordinary.
>Is it possible he was hit on the head with a heavy rock as a kid???? (OK, just kidding, sort of...)
Perhaps it would have helped (also just kidding, sort of...)"
post 49, same link as above
runsdeep
09-26-2011, 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel
I am not sure the stain is from Susan getting sick. Josh's sister went in with the police when they broke in and she called the Cox's and told them about the wet carpet and fans blowing on it and from that report the Cox's said they hoped the family was at an emergency room.
When the police cut the carpet out of the living room they took approx. 1/3 of the carpet in that room. There would not have been any reason to take that much if it was just vomit. If it was a blood stain that someone cleaned up they would take that much carpet for comparison test.
I am sure it was blood just not enough to prove she died there.
You are right. I forgot about that part where Jennifer immediately thought they must be at the hospital. Quite likely there was blood. I am also thinking of the "Oucheee Mommy" comment the little one made.
blood would leave a lot of color, cant clean it all out of carpet fibers that quick if at all. poison will make vomit to point of dehydration. had a little dog who was given too much vaccine by vet and vomited up a flood in the utility room, then died.
runsdeep
09-26-2011, 09:14 PM
where was sp's money supply? to pay for legal costs for years and a house like that.
Dr. Know?
09-26-2011, 09:22 PM
Hoping Susan and Josh would move back with the kids? Maybe he just likes having his freeloading adult children live with him. Then he can control every single aspect of their lives dawn to dusk.
Or peep at them and photograph them without their knowledge too? Gah!
panthera
09-26-2011, 09:30 PM
Just looked at the tax info:
5 bedrooms, 2.75 baths, 3200 sq ft, paid $270k in 2004. Refi for $177k, (2nd mortgage?) this past July.
BBM
There goes the house as possible collateral for his bail and most likely the house into foreclosure as he doesn't have a job any longer.
MOO
TGIRecovered
09-26-2011, 09:44 PM
I suspect that SP sold pornographic videos disguised as Chantry CD's. We all know that there is no way people actually wanted to purchase his "music". He could have even used pay pal or taken credit cards. All he had to do was put a different cd in the case with the Chantry album cover. JMO
There is no way he can support that large family in that big house on 55,000 a year. Look at all of the landscaping he has done, computers he owned, medical costs for 5 adults and two kids.
Pensfan
09-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Or peep at them and photograph them without their knowledge too? Gah!
If this is so, all his family members were subjects in his sicko sexual fantasies because this is why voyeurs peep on others. Gah x 100 !!!.
passionflower
09-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Income:in house....large housepayments? tax? sold porn? music?
SP worked
Son bi polar? disability?
Josh unemployment? welfare for boys? rent from his house?
Daughter???
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 09:50 PM
I guess the point I was trying to make is that maybe it wasn't actually the counselor who recommended it, but Peterson instead. At the beginning there was a news story that incorrectly identified him as their marriage counselor and it sort of 'stuck'.
I think she was going to someone in the church, but I do remember a few thinking it was Tim P. He stated that she shared some of the earlier "sessions" she had had, but after the discussion of recommending the divorce, she wouldn't talk about it anymore.
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 09:59 PM
OK, fine. If that's the case, it was simply a mistake. I am sometimes troubled by the extent to which "mistakes" or "assumptions" or just plain sloppy reporting is somehow translated into "facts" leading to "conclusions" etc etc. But to err is human, no? :)
So. There is no evidence that any marriage counselor ever "urged Susan to get a divorce"? Is that correct? Does anyone know otherwise?
Found it:
Posted 12/22/09 by nursebeme with article :
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4595193&highlight=counselor%2C+divorce%2C+church#post45951 93
Friends say Susan Powell was preparing for possible divorce
Updated: 12/22/2009 9:58 pm | Published: 12/22/2009 5:55 pm
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Friends-say-Susan-Powell-was-preparing-for/6ycFDFkrykGPjeoBZ7M3RQ.cspx
ETA: Another article around the same time: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353673/Powell-took-his-time-getting-home-neighbor-says.html?pg=2
passionflower
09-26-2011, 10:03 PM
Has any of SP 4 wives spoke out yet?
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 10:08 PM
I've seen this comment a few xs since coming in LATE to this case..Can you explain please? TIA!
I found this by using the search feature for Susan's forum. It's really easy. I just keyed in chapped hands and chose the button for all posts.
Start at the bottom for the earliest posts. There are two pages worth. HTH
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4689985&pp=50&page=2
Mountain_Kat
09-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Can't buy the carpet being stained with blood. Not that large of an area. Josh's you know what would have been hauled down town on the spot.
My guess is vomit or...well, some other bodily function. Or a combination of the two.
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 10:23 PM
Found it:
Posted 12/22/09 by nursebeme with article :
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4595193&highlight=counselor%2C+divorce%2C+church#post45951 93
Friends say Susan Powell was preparing for possible divorce
Updated: 12/22/2009 9:58 pm | Published: 12/22/2009 5:55 pm
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Friends-say-Susan-Powell-was-preparing-for/6ycFDFkrykGPjeoBZ7M3RQ.cspx
ETA: Another article around the same time: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353673/Powell-took-his-time-getting-home-neighbor-says.html?pg=2
Thanks, hollyblue. That actually makes a modicum of sense. The marriage counselor encouraged them to set goals. Susan set some goals relating to their involvement with the church. She set timetables. No doubt, she discussed them with the counselor. This is normal counseling behavior. The friend, and probably others, felt she should divorce him. Perhaps she intended to, and it appears she may have said so.
But nothing in that article suggests that any marriage counselor told her she should divorce him.
I wish it were so. Although the doctor-patient privilege may protect the session records, under circumstances like this I believe a professional would be entitled (possibly obligated) to cooperate with LE. I wonder if LE have approached their counselor.
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 10:24 PM
Has any of SP 4 wives spoke out yet?
Steven's father was married 4x and his mother 2x. Not Steven himself. He was only married to Terrica AFAIK.
MsFacetious
09-26-2011, 10:33 PM
Can't buy the carpet being stained with blood. Not that large of an area. Josh's you know what would have been hauled down town on the spot.
My guess is vomit or...well, some other bodily function. Or a combination of the two.
Or bloody vomit. :twocents:
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 10:35 PM
Thanks, hollyblue. That actually makes a modicum of sense. The marriage counselor encouraged them to set goals. Susan set some goals relating to their involvement with the church. She set timetables. No doubt, she discussed them with the counselor. This is normal counseling behavior. The friend, and probably others, felt she should divorce him. Perhaps she intended to, and it appears she may have said so.
But nothing in that article suggests that any marriage counselor told her she should divorce him.
I wish it were so. Although the doctor-patient privilege may protect the session records, under circumstances like this I believe a professional would be entitled (possibly obligated) to cooperate with LE. I wonder if LE have approached their counselor.
I'm sure we talked about. It's probably in a video, article or thethread with the posts around 12/22. Here's the posts under search for "counselor, divorce": http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4690122
It upset me that Susan was to set goals and a timetable for JP. That's an ultimatium...not compromise and negotiation in a marital dispute. You can't make someone do something they don't want to...so Susan should/could have set a timeline and an ultimatium upon herself, but not realistically JP. imo
gwenabob
09-26-2011, 10:39 PM
I suspect that SP sold pornographic videos disguised as Chantry CD's. We all know that there is no way people actually wanted to purchase his "music". He could have even used pay pal or taken credit cards. All he had to do was put a different cd in the case with the Chantry album cover. JMO
There is no way he can support that large family in that big house on 55,000 a year. Look at all of the landscaping he has done, computers he owned, medical costs for 5 adults and two kids.
I had not thought of that! The Chantrey website as a front to sell kiddie porn! I hope LE is checking every bit of traffic that purchased anything through that website.
Mountain_Kat
09-26-2011, 10:40 PM
Or bloody vomit. :twocents:
Or vomit that might appear to contain blood, depending on the contents of her stomach. :twocents:
Just-a-Guy
09-26-2011, 10:46 PM
It upset me that Susan was to set goals and a timetable for JP. That's an ultimatium...not compromise and negotiation in a marital dispute. You can't make someone do something they don't want to...so Susan should/could have set a timeline and an ultimatium upon herself, but not realistically JP. imo
That sounds right to me. I can see a counselor discussing with them what they each wanted, and if Susan said she wanted JP to be more involved in the church, then the counselor would turn to him and ask his response. If he said no, I doubt the counselor would then push for it. If, however, he said he would be willing to "try" or something, then the counselor might turn back to Susan and ask if she could live with that, and if perhaps trying it "over time" might make sense. Thus, potentially, the "goals", which might not have been the term used by the counselor, but by Susan.
This is all speculation, obviously, and someone out there knows what was actually said (in addition to JP). If I were LE I would want to know more about it.
Mountain_Kat
09-26-2011, 10:46 PM
Chantry: An endowment for the maintenance of a priest to sing a daily mass for the souls of specified people.
(In this case...EWWWW!)
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 10:47 PM
Can't buy the carpet being stained with blood. Not that large of an area. Josh's you know what would have been hauled down town on the spot.
My guess is vomit or...well, some other bodily function. Or a combination of the two.
Just going to post what was discussed very early on by the woman, JoVonna who had pancake dinner with them. This was during a JVM interview with her, iirc.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #4
hollyblue
09-26-2011, 10:50 PM
I had not thought of that! The Chantrey website as a front to sell kiddie porn! I hope LE is checking every bit of traffic that purchased anything through that website.
It would be a quick tell, imo...not many buyers for his music!
Nana46
09-26-2011, 11:46 PM
This case was just on Nightline here. Part of an interview SP gave where he spoke of his 'interactions' with Susan. How sick is this and how JP just brushed it off when asked about it. What father could say stuff like this in an interview and what son would not think anything of it????? Sick. Some ego SP has and some kind of weird trust thing that JP has of him all the while this poor woman is missing. Sick.IMO.
Does he have to have the whole 200k to bail out or just a percentage?
Dewey2Me1MoThyme
09-27-2011, 12:13 AM
Here's my take (FWIW) on Steven Powell's comments re: he and Susan. If (even with his ego aside) he can openly talk in front of the cameras as he did about thier "mutual" sexual flirtation, it makes me wonder what worse things he must have done in the past, recent or otherwise. I get the impression that he finds these things trivial and acceptable. What darker secrets could he be hiding if lusting for your DIL now seems quite mundane and natural. anyone get what I'm trying to spit out here?
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 12:22 AM
Does he have to have the whole 200k to bail out or just a percentage?
Its a cash bond so he has to have the full amount.
Its a cash bond so he has to have the full amount.
Let's just hope ol' Lenny isn't gearing up for a trip to Washington now that Susan's case is growing some legs.. I don't think his adult cling-on dysfunctional offspring living on his dime can come up with the cash.
Dr. Know?
09-27-2011, 01:08 AM
This article says SP was a delivery driver for Washinton State Correctional...I thought he was listed online as in sales? Hmmm
Should Powell, who was fired from his job at the Washington Department of Corrections as a delivery driver after his arrest, make bail, a judge ordered that he cannot go outside the Seattle and Puyallup areas, cannot have contact with the alleged victims or come within 1,000 feet of their residence. He will also be prohibited from having any contact at all with children 18 and under and must stay away from schools and playgrounds.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705391464/Sheriffs-office-removed-Powell-children-for-safety-2-judges-may-review-case-separately.html?pg=2
Lera213
09-27-2011, 01:29 AM
I'm willing to bet that Steven Powell augmented his income by doing favor's maybe for inmates?
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 01:40 AM
This article says SP was a delivery driver for Washinton State Correctional...I thought he was listed online as in sales? Hmmm
Should Powell, who was fired from his job at the Washington Department of Corrections as a delivery driver after his arrest, make bail, a judge ordered that he cannot go outside the Seattle and Puyallup areas, cannot have contact with the alleged victims or come within 1,000 feet of their residence. He will also be prohibited from having any contact at all with children 18 and under and must stay away from schools and playgrounds.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705391464/Sheriffs-office-removed-Powell-children-for-safety-2-judges-may-review-case-separately.html?pg=2
Hmm. Yes, he is listed as being a sales rep. Is it possible he was demoted recently? Or do the sales reps also make their own deliveries? Or is this an error?
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 01:41 AM
I'm willing to bet that Steven Powell augmented his income by doing favor's maybe for inmates?
Well, if he actually was loading and delivering the goods, I guess it is possible he was smuggling contraband.
Dewey2Me1MoThyme
09-27-2011, 01:43 AM
Sales reps often make the deliveries, depends on the business and the size of the area and company.
Dr. Know?
09-27-2011, 01:54 AM
Hmm. Yes, he is listed as being a sales rep. Is it possible he was demoted recently? Or do the sales reps also make their own deliveries? Or is this an error?
It's says he was listed as a delivery driver "after" his arrest so maybe he was demoted then fired? Got me.
Oh, not the sales rep I had that was named SP, didn't drive a truck and deliver product. He struted around from what I remember and mainly I remember telling the owner I couldn't stand him...he liked him. Wonder why I left?
lorann
09-27-2011, 02:09 AM
Would he be required to keep track of the miles put on his vehicle for reimbursement or tax purposes? Could there be unexplained miles (like to Utah) that were not job related?
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 02:09 AM
It's says he was listed as a delivery driver "after" his arrest so maybe he was demoted then fired? Got me.
Oh, not the sales rep I had that was named SP, didn't drive a truck and deliver product. He struted around from what I remember and mainly I remember telling the owner I couldn't stand him...he liked him. Wonder why I left?
I'm not so sure that is what it says. It is a clumsy sentence.
"Should Powell, who was fired from his job at the Washington Department of Corrections as a delivery driver after his arrest..."
It says he was fired after his arrest. From his job as a delivery driver. But we checked the website for his job pretty recently and he was still listed as a sales rep. So, was he demoted recently? Or is it an error?
ETA: http://www.washingtonci.com/_content/contact_us/AE_lookup.aspx?county=Grays_Harbor
This is the county SP repped. He is no longer listed as a sales rep. Oops. That was fast!
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 02:25 AM
I'm not so sure that is what it says. It is a clumsy sentence.
"Should Powell, who was fired from his job at the Washington Department of Corrections as a delivery driver after his arrest..."
It says he was fired after his arrest. From his job as a delivery driver. But we checked the website for his job pretty recently and he was still listed as a sales rep. So, was he demoted recently? Or is it an error?
ETA: http://www.washingtonci.com/_content/contact_us/AE_lookup.aspx?county=Grays_Harbor
This is the county SP repped. He is no longer listed as a sales rep. Oops. That was fast!
Yep I bet they couldn't wait! I'm borrowing poster DumDum's signature line but I have a message for Josh and Steve...
"And you may be sure that your sin will find you out."
Numbers 32:23
It's just a matter of time before SP turns on JP, if for nothing else, SP will not enjoy the prison general population and that's definitely where he's going with those charges! Also can you imagine JP in prison in gen population?? He is going to suffer...
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 02:43 AM
Would he be required to keep track of the miles put on his vehicle for reimbursement or tax purposes? Could there be unexplained miles (like to Utah) that were not job related?
Wouldn't he use a government car?
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 02:47 AM
This case was just on Nightline here. Part of an interview SP gave where he spoke of his 'interactions' with Susan. How sick is this and how JP just brushed it off when asked about it. What father could say stuff like this in an interview and what son would not think anything of it????? Sick. Some ego SP has and some kind of weird trust thing that JP has of him all the while this poor woman is missing. Sick.IMO.
I think Josh acted embarrassed about it. Was that JP's sister who followed him into the court room? Did you notice SP's eyes when he talked about Susan. Looking down to the left a lot! Lies, lies, lies.
Dewey2Me1MoThyme
09-27-2011, 03:07 AM
When I listen to SP and read his website, I get an impression of someone who wanted to be like David Koresh, with his own heirem of many wives, to share the women of his followers (family). Was he starting his own little sect?
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 03:48 AM
In researching tonight I came across this article. I have no reason to suspect the credibility of this witness, and what he says is very revealing post-crime behavior. After reading it, it struck me that on Wednesday, JP could lose custody of the kids and the only thing keeping him going. He has regret IMO and shows a total mental collapse in this report. This further confirms SP was the actual sociopath in this family, with JP mirroring his father's traits but not an actual sociopath. MOO.
Ten days after his wife, Susan, went missing, Joshua Powell knocked on a friend's door in tears. For the next hour, he sat on Wayne Hamberg's living room sofa, sobbing, but saying nothing about Susan's mysterious disappearance on Dec. 6.
"He was so distressed, so despondent, so overwhelmed," says Powell's friend Wayne Hamberg, who met the 29-year-old Web site programmer about a year ago at a Salt Lake City computer club gathering.
"The reason he's not talking to police is he's just shut down," Hamberg, 49, a software engineer says about Joshua. "He's so emotionally drained and everybody's attacking him, making him out to be a Mark Hacking or a Scott Peterson. The Josh I know is not some kind of evil guy. I don't believe that's he's suicidal or anything like that, but right now, I don't think he's capable of doing much more than tying his own shoelaces."
...
Family Against Him"I told him Tuesday night, when he came to see me, not to say anything to me about the circumstances, only to talk to his attorney," says Hamberg. "I want to be his friend, not somebody snooping around for a scoop. I'm there to support him and I'd like to think that he's innocent. I'd like to think that of all of my friends."
Hamberg noticed that Powell was thin and pale, as though he hadn't eaten in days. "I offered to make him dinner, but he refused, saying he just had no appetite for food – that it was tasteless," Hamberg says. "I gave him a hug, then he just sat on the couch and cried. He said the only thing keeping him going right now was his two boys. He's latched on to them as his sole mental support because even some of his own family members have turned on him now."
http://m.people.com/newsitem.rbml?item=20332053&feed=2%5Burl%3DdlUrl%5D&dlUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.people.com%2Fpeople%2Fmedia rss%2Fmobile%2Farticle%2F0%252C%252C20332053%252C0 0.xml
Regarding the possibility JP is planning a suicide if he loses the kids, I just hope he owns up to the crime and says where the body is before he does so in a note. One day his kids will want and be old enough for answers, and deserve to know the full truth. It will also improve his chances in the after-life.
MOO.
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 04:03 AM
I honestly believe JP will crack under all this pressure. His Dad lead him down a wrong path and now Dad isn't there to support him. He will do something crazy. imo
He has a sister and a brother supporting him but Dad was his backbone. moo
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 04:06 AM
Not sure if this has been posted previously:
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/national/children-of-missing-utah-mom-s-in-state-custody/article_d7706483-4240-5963-86c7-0021d5798853.html?mode=image&photo=4
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 04:11 AM
Hmm. Yes, he is listed as being a sales rep. Is it possible he was demoted recently? Or do the sales reps also make their own deliveries? Or is this an error?
We had the one client (woman) of his who stated he was measuring cabinets for the school and what kind of security they had, etc., so it's either an error or his position changed. IMO
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 04:25 AM
Let's just hope ol' Lenny isn't gearing up for a trip to Washington now that Susan's case is growing some legs.. I don't think his adult cling-on dysfunctional offspring living on his dime can come up with the cash.
We don't know what his children know, but if they are clueless to their father's antics and have been "programmed" by SP as much as JP surely has, I hope the light bulb has come on. Brightly!!
I would so like to hear the x wife's story, but I guess we never will. To think the court gave him custody....and she fought for years; so he pulled the wool over quite a few people's eyes. imo.
Does anyone know if she had custody of the children before the court's decision, or did SP? TIA
JMO
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 04:28 AM
In researching tonight I came across this article. I have no reason to suspect the credibility of this witness, and what he says is very revealing post-crime behavior. After reading it, it struck me that on Wednesday, JP could lose custody of the kids and the only thing keeping him going. He has regret IMO and shows a total mental collapse in this report. This further confirms SP was the actual sociopath in this family, with JP mirroring his father's traits but not an actual sociopath. MOO.
http://m.people.com/newsitem.rbml?item=20332053&feed=2%5Burl%3DdlUrl%5D&dlUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.people.com%2Fpeople%2Fmedia rss%2Fmobile%2Farticle%2F0%252C%252C20332053%252C0 0.xml
Regarding the possibility JP is planning a suicide if he loses the kids, I just hope he owns up to the crime and says where the body is before he does so in a note. One day his kids will want and be old enough for answers, and deserve to know the full truth. It will also improve his chances in the after-life.
MOO.
I don't think Josh will kill himself alone.
I think if he DOES get the kids back, he may know it is temporary... and he may ensure that nobody else gets those kids.
I have thought for quite a while that if it is obvious the end is near for Josh... that he will take all 3 of them out.
I want to believe he couldn't kill his boys... but I am not so sure. If he thinks they can't live without him...
I think it's possible that if Josh commits suicide, he may leave a note telling where to find Susan... and taking the blame OR blaming it on his father. It would depend on how he felt about his father at that point...
As long as the boys are safe and Susan is found... whatever Josh does I can live with...
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 04:34 AM
I think if Josh does anything to himself he'll leave a note telling his boys how much he loves them and how much he loved their mother but I don't think he would confess to anything. moo
I could be totally wrong but the one thing I do believe is that he's about to loose it and the more pressure that is put on him the better.
Dewey2Me1MoThyme
09-27-2011, 04:37 AM
Does anyone know if SP's adult children had any sort of social life in their younger years or were they always kept under SP's wing? Were they home schooled by SP? Children that grow up inside the four walls of their home and not subjected to society like most of us, don't know what "normal" is, just as families locked up in compunds and brainwashed are afraid of the outside world and what they see there.
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 06:40 AM
Does anyone know if SP's adult children had any sort of social life in their younger years or were they always kept under SP's wing? Were they home schooled by SP? Children that grow up inside the four walls of their home and not subjected to society like most of us, don't know what "normal" is, just as families locked up in compunds and brainwashed are afraid of the outside world and what they see there.
I doubt if they were home schooled since SP worked. At least 2 went to college. One was in the military. Not sure about the girls. One son is running for congress.........or something. Could be dog catcher for all I know but he is running for public office. I'm sure he's thrilled with good ol' dad now!
No one wants another Wiener! :floorlaugh:
andalso
09-27-2011, 08:14 AM
In reading on SP's website, I found a few parts extremely chilling.....
This quote from his website is particularly creepy..
"...When we headed over to see my grandparents, and kept going north on Highway 1, something seemed amiss to me, even at seven years old. "Where is momma?" I asked. Grandma curtly replied, "You're never going to see your mother again." Of course, that was more devastating than the disappearance of the green car. ..."
and
"...We kept driving until we reached Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Grandma and Grandpa parked their trailer house at a trailer camp along the highway, where I-90 now runs. My dad moved to Yakima, Washington where he had found work as a district supervisor for a regional newspaper. The good news for me was that I did not have to finish the last few weeks of second grade, and the next year I started into third grade without missing a beat.
The trailer camp was surrounded by bull pines and terraced up the side of a hill. I would go up the hill and play with my friends and my brother. On one occasion I informed one of my buddies that my grandparents had kidnapped us. ..."
Do we know when this was written? Also, what about this Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, maybe they should search there?
Thoughts?
MOO
GutInstinct
09-27-2011, 08:41 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52643248-78/powell-susan-troyer-county.html.csp?page=1
Interesting article. All SP or JP had to do was email one of those images, and they'll be nailed for trafficking. LE is all over these guys, I think.
TGIRecovered
09-27-2011, 08:44 AM
We had the one client (woman) of his who stated he was measuring cabinets for the school and what kind of security they had, etc., so it's either an error or his position changed. IMO
This is alarming to me. Why would SP need to know about school security? It sounds like an excuse to look around and see where he could plant a hidden camera.
Peliman
09-27-2011, 09:26 AM
Well IMO SP had boundary issues and was obsessed somewhat/alot with Susan. I have no problem seeing how SP could be involved or part of the reason if not the whole reason Susan went missing.
JP has more reason now to be sitting and talking with LE, letting them know everything he knows about SP's and Susan's interactions. He should be pi$$ed his own father couldn't control himself and had these obsessions with his wife. The only reason he would not cooperate is if he had something to do with Susan's disappearance.
I'm sure LE is pouring over SP's phone and internet records looking for a link and it could take awhile. I also expect SP to have more charges in the future.
waltzingmatilda
09-27-2011, 10:04 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52643248-78/powell-susan-troyer-county.html.csp?page=1
Interesting article. All SP or JP had to do was email one of those images, and they'll be nailed for trafficking. LE is all over these guys, I think.
Thanks for the link GI! There is a ahem, lively discussion going on in the comments.
One poster had a theory that I didn't particularly agree with wholly, but got me thinking nonetheless. It discussed the posssiblility of Josh giving Susan the date rape drug to knock her out. While knocked out he put her in the car, then went inside to get the sleepy boys and their stuff. She came to and sounded the car alarm. It takes him a few minutes to respond because he is inside getting the kids ready.
That darn car alarm report is bothering me!
wm
Peliman
09-27-2011, 10:19 AM
That darn car alarm report is bothering me!
wm
It's what a knowledgeable woman should do to call for help. Sounding the car alarm, yelling fire. Especially when her fear flag goes up when being approached in a parking lot and needs help. Susan may have activated the car alarm trying to summon help.
Didn't Susan also leave her purse behind? Another red flag...
waltzingmatilda
09-27-2011, 10:28 AM
It's what a knowledgeable woman should do to call for help. Sounding the car alarm, yelling fire. Especially when her fear flag goes up when being approached in a parking lot and needs help. Susan may have activated the car alarm trying to summon help.
Didn't Susan also leave her purse behind? Another red flag...
That's right Peliman! It sure is a red flag!
The poster suggested that Josh was flustered and left Susan's stuff behind by accident as he was in a hurry to get out of there. (paraphrased)
wm
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 11:30 AM
In researching tonight I came across this article. I have no reason to suspect the credibility of this witness, and what he says is very revealing post-crime behavior. After reading it, it struck me that on Wednesday, JP could lose custody of the kids and the only thing keeping him going. He has regret IMO and shows a total mental collapse in this report. This further confirms SP was the actual sociopath in this family, with JP mirroring his father's traits but not an actual sociopath. MOO.
http://m.people.com/newsitem.rbml?item=20332053&feed=2%5Burl%3DdlUrl%5D&dlUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.people.com%2Fpeople%2Fmedia rss%2Fmobile%2Farticle%2F0%252C%252C20332053%252C0 0.xml
Regarding the possibility JP is planning a suicide if he loses the kids, I just hope he owns up to the crime and says where the body is before he does so in a note. One day his kids will want and be old enough for answers, and deserve to know the full truth. It will also improve his chances in the after-life.
MOO.
I don't know if you followed this case at the very beginning, but Wayne Hamberg is well known around here as a Powell schill. He has backed Josh from the very beginning and is as much of a narcissistic blow hard as SP. I take anything he has to say with a grain of salt. He was even banned from WS for some really outrageous insulting posts.
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 12:00 PM
I don't know if you followed this case at the very beginning, but Wayne Hamberg is well known around here as a Powell schill. He has backed Josh from the very beginning and is as much of a narcissistic blow hard as SP. I take anything he has to say with a grain of salt. He was even banned from WS for some really outrageous insulting posts.
Thanks. I did find a second account of Josh's post-crime behavior that aligns perfectly with his account:
Kiirsi Hellewell, Susan Powell's best friend, said she has been in contact with Josh Powell on a daily basis but hasn't asked him specific questions about Susan in an effort not to interfere with the investigation or to lose his trust as a friend.
"He doesn't do a lot of talking. He mostly looks upset and confused and is crying most of the time," Hellewell said.
http://topstories.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=17224&content=28434213&pageNum=-1
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 12:07 PM
I am going to tie this into Steven Powell shortly, but am I correct in assuming this interview was done during the time JP had the rental car? He just exited the car to the left in this photo. It is obviously not his mini-van. This would date this interview as December 8, 2009? Is that correct?
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4230/rentalcardec8.jpg
Notable in this photo is his hands do not look frost-bitten.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5152/jphand.jpg
Why were JP's hands frost-bitten on December 9, 2009 but no mention of this on December 7, 2009?
JP had the rental car on December 8-9, 2009, according to my records.
Thanks for any clarification.
Just-a-Guy
09-27-2011, 12:07 PM
tick tock,tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...
(it's only a matter of time, Josh)
DomCasual
09-27-2011, 12:11 PM
I'm willing to bet that Steven Powell augmented his income by doing favor's maybe for inmates?
I think that arrangement could be one that he could continue - albeit, with slightly different favors.
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 12:53 PM
Thanks. I did find a second account of Josh's post-crime behavior that aligns perfectly with his account:
http://topstories.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=17224&content=28434213&pageNum=-1
Either he was truly horrified at what he had done, or he was putting on a pretty good show. Or he was surprised at the amount of publicity and concern his wife was getting and was sure that he was going to be arrested at any moment. Or all of the above.
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 12:56 PM
Either he was truly horrified at what he had done, or he was putting on a pretty good show. Or he was surprised at the amount of publicity and concern his wife was getting and was sure that he was going to be arrested at any moment. Or all of the above.
Thank you. The key to picking the right choice of those possibilities is the point that he was observed to be continually crying. That is hard to keep up if it is being faked, and isn't necessary to show concern, upset, etc.
MOO.
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 01:08 PM
OT: It just took me 45 minutes to sign on.....??? MJ?
gwenabob
09-27-2011, 01:25 PM
Thank you. The key to picking the right choice of those possibilities is the point that he was observed to be continually crying. That is hard to keep up if it is being faked, and isn't necessary to show concern, upset, etc.
MOO.
True. But do you think he was crying because he was truly worried about where Susan was? Or do you think he was crying out of self pity? I think the latter, myself.
Plus, he has been seen squeezing out a few complementary tears whenever reporters with cameras are around, even lately. That is, until they start challenging his story. Then the tears dry up quick as he makes his getaway.
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 01:34 PM
True. But do you think he was crying because he was truly worried about where Susan was? Or do you think he was crying out of self pity? I think the latter, myself.
Plus, he has been seen squeezing out a few complementary tears whenever reporters with cameras are around, even lately. That is, until they start challenging his story. Then the tears dry up quick as he makes his getaway.
Crying = Loss.
He was crying because he murdered his wife and she was gone now. The weight of what he had done was overwhelming. This was way out of his league. MOO.
HotLavaJavas
09-27-2011, 01:35 PM
I've been pretty quiet for a few days...way too much going on. However, I got a chance to speak to my grandfather, the former sheriff.
He tells me that SP definitely helped in some capacity and that he feels JP will be arrested shortly, due to how orchestrated SP's arrest was in time with ending the Topaz search. Especially considering the children were removed.
He also seems to think WVCPD is intentionally making it seem like they have nothing, when in all reality there is probably something very damning. Now that daddy is in custody, his interactions with Josh can be intensely monitored. As we've seen, narcissists always mess up somewhere...so the PD could pounce at any time.
ohiogirl
09-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Wow, that is great news! ty
pferrin
09-27-2011, 01:42 PM
HotLavaJavas...THANKS to your Grandfather for his insight.
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 01:46 PM
This is alarming to me. Why would SP need to know about school security? It sounds like an excuse to look around and see where he could plant a hidden camera.
Sorry, it was late and bad wording. She (poster) was stating what kind of security measures the school had in dealing with workers coming in from the outside. Escorting outside contractor, no maintenance by outsiders during class time, etc. Paraphrasing here. In other words, not letting any joe schmo just come in and pretend to be there about work or business within the school.
HotLavaJavas
09-27-2011, 01:55 PM
Crying = Loss.
He was crying because he murdered his wife and she was gone now. The weight of what he had done was overwhelming. This was way out of his league. MOO.
I'm with you on this.
My uncle killed himself in July, and his wife would fall into hysterics and bawl constantly. It was a shock to his parents, siblings, etc, but not to her. He'd attempted a few weeks prior with a shotgun and she stupidly said "let me go get the kids!" thinking he was just bluffing.
So, she told nobody about this. The night he died, she saw him making a noose and left the house anyway. So, the guilt she feels must be tremendous.
The ME confirmed the death as suicide. But, since she knew, her hysterics and random bouts of crying and not eating made sense once we all knew that she had prior knowledge. She was a bit off before his death, but afterward, she went kind of nuts.
Josh's behavior is similar to hers....and is driven by guilt, IMO.
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 02:13 PM
Brooke Adams
Brooke4Trib
Josh Powell told judge he has no idea what those allegations are.
about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite
Asst. AG John Long told judge there are allegations involving Josh Powell as part of child porn investigation, according to reporters.
about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite
Judge is trying to figure out if she has jurisdiction in the matter, since state has custody, control and care of the boys.
5 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
The Coxes are here. They've been doing interviews with Today and NBC's Dateline the past few days. One of the network's reporters is here.
10 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
We are currently in a recess.
12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
This is the hearing that was supposed to take place Wednesday, but was switched -- quietly and suddenly -- onto today's calendar.
17 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52646871-78/powell-custody-hearing-susan.html.csp?utm_source=NewsUtah&utm_medium=twitter
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1731/9ubbj.jpg
http://yfrog.com/nv9ubbjj
TedfordKING5 Tom Tedford
Josh Powell being heard by judge concerning courts jurisdiction #susanpowell t.co/qZCOkdfE
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 02:25 PM
JP in court NOW over custody with the Coxes. Custody thread. In recess now, but will resume in about 5 mins. JFYI
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 02:34 PM
I'm with you on this.
My uncle killed himself in July, and his wife would fall into hysterics and bawl constantly. It was a shock to his parents, siblings, etc, but not to her. He'd attempted a few weeks prior with a shotgun and she stupidly said "let me go get the kids!" thinking he was just bluffing.
So, she told nobody about this. The night he died, she saw him making a noose and left the house anyway. So, the guilt she feels must be tremendous.
The ME confirmed the death as suicide. But, since she knew, her hysterics and random bouts of crying and not eating made sense once we all knew that she had prior knowledge. She was a bit off before his death, but afterward, she went kind of nuts.
Josh's behavior is similar to hers....and is driven by guilt, IMO.
Thanks!
I believe you are the web expert around here - can you tell when SP added the web page with the lyrics "Waiting for You" to his website?
TIA.
http://stevechantrey.com/Pages/LightOfSeattle/WaitingForYou.aspx
HotLavaJavas
09-27-2011, 02:35 PM
Thanks!
I believe you are the web expert around here - can you tell when SP added the web page with the lyrics "Waiting for You" to his website?
TIA.
http://stevechantrey.com/Pages/LightOfSeattle/WaitingForYou.aspx
I have looked at the code, but without the initial file located in his root directory, I can't tell you.
So I did some further snooping and found Chantrey's MySpace. The album "Light of Seattle" was added there in July 2010.
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 02:39 PM
Since it's a new page... again, the custody hearing is happening NOW.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149993&page=2
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 02:49 PM
I have looked at the code, but without the initial file located in his root directory, I can't tell you.
So I did some further snooping and found Chantrey's MySpace. The album "Light of Seattle" was added there in July 2010.
Thanks!
The lyrics to "Waiting for You", viewed through a lens of suspicion, reveal a possible connection to Susan, including after her death.
Here is how I think they could tie in:
Waiting for You
Words and Music by Steve Chantrey
You did your own thing,
You did it your way,
While I awaited your
Appearance in my doorway.
I spent the whole day through
Waiting for you.
Possible interpretation: Susan rejected his sexual advances and moved to Utah. She never showed up again.
It didn't happen
If you had shown up,
I would have thought that our
Relationship was sewn up.
I spent the whole day through
Waiting for you.
Possible interpretation: Susan never showed up, but if she had, the relationship would have been perfect. He waited, but she never did.
I could be getting a mistaken impression,
Each time you seem to gaze at me.
You let me touch you softly. Why? is the question.
And the effect amazes me.
Possible interpretation: The "gaze" he is referring to is Susan's dead corpse, eyes looking at him. He touches her body and he is not refuted for the first time. He gets a rush from this because of fantasy fulfillment.
Had trouble sleeping.
Wasn't beside you.
I felt so lonely,
For a little bit I cried too.
I spent the whole night through
Waiting for you.
Possible interpretation: He no longer has the corpse at this point in the lyrics - time has moved forward. During the time he had the corpse, he had her in his bed. Now, he feels lonely, and even cried about the loss. He had a sleepless night over it.
Repeat bridge
Now I am smitten
Doubt I'll recover
Only one cure and that's to
Have you as my lover.
I'll spend my whole life through
Waiting for you.
Possible interpretation: He now is saying he is unable to get over her, and that he will wait for her even though his whole life will be spent waiting as she is gone now.
MOO.
http://stevechantrey.com/Pages/LightOfSeattle/WaitingForYou.aspx
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 02:58 PM
drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
Josh Powell says he did not harm his missing wife... Says his father will not be posting bail. "He will not be coming home."
http://twitter.com/#!/drewmikk
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 03:05 PM
Brooke Adams
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Asst. AG John Long told judge there are allegations involving Josh Powell as part of child porn investigation, according to reporters.
55 minutes ago
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell told judge he has no idea what those allegations are.
55 minutes ago
drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
by Brooke4Trib
Josh Powell told family court judge he denies any involvement/knowledge of Steven Powell's alleged child porn case.
52 minutes ago
drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
Josh Powell says he did not harm his missing wife... Says his father will not be posting bail. "He will not be coming home."
9 minutes ago
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh: I had no knowledge of any wrongdoing or any indication that there could be wrongdoing on my father's part nor did anyone else in home.
3 minutes ago
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh: Susan has disappeared. I did not harm her. I did not have anything to do with her disappearance.
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
http://twitter.com/#!/drewmikk
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 03:11 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh said if father released he will move from home given charges against Steve Powell.
1 minute ago
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
WHERE? Where are you going to move Josh?
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 03:11 PM
Inside Edition just showed a piece on Susan's case. IE actually played a portion of SP singing 'I'm missing you'. I had never heard the songs, only read the lyrics. CREEPY!!!!
I sure hope SP has no delusions of appearing on 'the sing off' or the 'voice'. LOL!
MOO
wm
http://www.insideedition.com/news/6928/susan-powells-father-in-law-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges.aspx
:sick:
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 03:13 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Asst. AG John Long just said Josh Powell subject of child pornograhy/voyeurism investigation too
1 minute ago
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh telling judge he has never engaged in such criminal behavior or exposed sons to such.
1 minute ago
Brooke Adams
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Long said 15 computers taken from home and only begun reviewing.
1 minute ago
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
MsFacetious
09-27-2011, 03:30 PM
Custody decision at 2PM today.
http://twitter.com/#!/drewmikk
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 03:49 PM
Ok here is a theory on how SP ties into the case, beyond the earlier post I made regarding events prior to Susan's disappearance (see post for more info:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7160343&postcount=51):
Dec 6, 2009
JP calls dad, confused, in shock, says mission accomplished, now needs to hide the body, etc.
SP says he will take care of body, it's safer that way, farther from scene, knows a mine-shaft, etc. Tells JP he will start driving to Utah and for JP to start driving to WA. (see this post for more info:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Steven Powell arrested in Washington State)
Dec 7, 2009
Body is dropped off to SP somewhere around Boise, ID.
JP heads back home, arrives back in town around 6 p.m.
SP takes body to his house in WA. (see my analysis of lyrics in above post upthread to "Waiting for you")
Dec 8, 2009
LE search JP home, take van.
SP paranoia leaps up that his house could be next, wants to get rid of body. Also, it may be quite problematic with smell, etc. of decaying corpse.
SP tells JP he had a problem in disposing of body, it was too heavy, etc. and needs his help.
SP tells JP that he has a mine shaft in Ely, NV in mind, but it will take 2 people.
SP rents a rental car at SLC airport for JP (this could be verified. I don't think JP would have had a credit card to do it.)
JP drives to Ely in the rental car (note this rental car would have had a lot of trouble in the Topaz area, so that IMO is later burial spot.)
SP drives to Ely with body.
Meeting time is at night near mine shafts.
Average low temp in Ely in December is 10 degrees.
JP and SP take body to mine shaft. Dispose of body.
JP gets frost bite from the process.
Why move the body from Ely if that is where they disposed of it? Possibly because info later came out from his neighbor that JP had discussed how a mine shaft would be a perfect place to dispose of a dead body. This could have sent his paranoia soaring, and prompted a move of the body to another site.
This also would make sense because the shallow grave at Topaz is only 3 feet long. IMO, it was not the initial burial site (unless Susan was dismembered.) By the time JP had moved the body to Topaz (some time later), the remains could be fit in a 3 feet in length shallow grave.
MOO.
ETA: It could be very revealing to have a cadaver dog go through SP's house and backyard, IMO.
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 04:31 PM
I found something very interesting.
Per the reporter in this interview, she got a look at the search warrant of SP's home on Aug 25, 2011.
About 2:30 of video:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/128492198.html
Per her, the search warrant was for Susan's diary, electronic journals, every computer in the house, any videos linked to her, and also for trace amounts of blood.!!!
Investigators appear to have the same suspicion that Steve Powell had her body in his home. (!)
MOO.
cocomod
09-27-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Susan-Powells-father-husband-in-court-over-custody-of-kids-130647888.html
TACOMA, Wash. -- A lawyer from the state Attorney General's office told a Pierce County judge Tuesday that Josh Powell is the subject of a voyeurism and pornography investigation and may have had some involvement in the child pornography case of Steven Powell, Josh's father.
Oooohhhh Josh, they are on their way! ;)
The state granted temporary custody of the two sons to Coxes, but the judge in the case will not issue a final custody ruling until Wednesday. The two boys are currently in foster care; it was not clear as of 1 p.m. whether they would spend tonight with their grandparents or remain with their foster family.
All BBM and UBM
cocomod
09-27-2011, 04:40 PM
This article is written much better, makes more sense. Go Chuck Go !!! Love those boys!
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=17423073
A judge will decide Wednesday morning who will have custody of Josh and Susan Powell's two young boys.
Josh Powell also insisted Tuesday that he did not harm his missing wife. He also said he father will not be posting bail.
"He will not be coming home," Josh Powell said.
The state initially gave temporary custody of the children to the Coxes, but the judge listened to additional arguments and said she would make a final decision Wednesday.
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 05:35 PM
Let's assume for a moment that JP's comment that he nothing to do with the disappearance of Susan is true. How could he say that and yet still be involved.
I mean like he left her sick in the house and then his father came and got her and therefore he believes he has nothing to with the "disappearance".
I ask this because from everything I've heard it's the only thing he's ever said. I don't recall seeing any variation from that exact statement.
:waitasec:
waltzingmatilda
09-27-2011, 05:59 PM
How in h.e.doublehockeysticks does someone have 15 computers inside a home with 3 other adults living there and none of the adults are suspicous nor have knowledge of what's going on? I'm not buying it.
And another thing! How is SP supporting 3 adult children and 2 growing grandchildren on his salary. IIRC, I read that SP's income was approx 58k per year. That is not much for such a large household with a 5 BR home in a gated community, 15 computers, elaborate camera equipment for surveilling neighbor children and only SP is working. I'm not buying it. There has to be supplementary income coming in from somewhere....there has to be, IMO.
wm
Morag
09-27-2011, 06:32 PM
I seem to recall that one of the lines in SP's "songs" was something like, "I can always see you whether we're together or not" (paraphrased). In retrospect, it is easy to imagine what he meant by that. Did JP plant a camera or cameras in their home? Poor Susan.
Pensfan
09-27-2011, 07:00 PM
What was his purpose of having 15 computers? Is it something related to being a voyeur or the child porn? Were they just outdated computers that did not function? TIA
vlpate
09-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh said if father released he will move from home given charges against Steve Powell.
1 minute ago
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
WHERE? Where are you going to move Josh?
The will of two evils are soon to collide.
HotLavaJavas
09-27-2011, 07:27 PM
What was his purpose of having 15 computers? Is it something related to being a voyeur or the child porn? Were they just outdated computers that did not function? TIA
It's insanity. I'm a professional geek...I get paid to program computers, and I build my own. At present, I have two desktops and a laptop in my house. I have various parts to others, but only 3 work. I cannot even imagine 15 computers.
The geek in me would love to know how many hard drives each computer has.
I imagine as part of their forensic investigation, the PD would want to match up IP address hits to sites with their router log. Also, using a router as they would definitely have to with that many machines, it would create a local area network which relies on the MAC address of their network cards. MAC addresses are unique to each card.
It could also be SP or any of them kept things hidden in their computer towers...it's dumb, but easy to do.
GutInstinct
09-27-2011, 07:30 PM
I found something very interesting.
Per the reporter in this interview, she got a look at the search warrant of SP's home on Aug 25, 2011.
About 2:30 of video:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/128492198.html
Per her, the search warrant was for Susan's diary, electronic journals, every computer in the house, any videos linked to her, and also for trace amounts of blood.!!!
Investigators appear to have the same suspicion that Steve Powell had her body in his home. (!)
HS: I think you are onto something. IMO. I researched the FBI profiler you mentioned yesterday in your post. I think the lyrics do tell part of the story. (Legitimate LE folks know that often times, guilty parties want to be found subconsciously). If her body was brought to SP to (uggh - live out his fantasy), I pray there were no photos involved...if you read between the lines without going over the edge here.
MOO.
Investigators appear to have the same suspicion that Steve Powell had her body in his home. (!)
HS: I think you are onto something (Susan/corpse/SP). IMO. I researched the FBI profiler you mentioned yesterday in your post. I think the lyrics do tell part of the story. (Legitimate LE folks know that often times, guilty parties want to be found subconsciously). If her body was brought to SP to (uggh - live out his fantasy), I pray there were no photos involved...if you read between the lines without going over the edge here.
Just-a-Guy
09-27-2011, 07:39 PM
The geek in me would love to know how many hard drives each computer has.
That was the first thing I thought of. If he's got that many computers, how many portable hard drives, data sticks, SD cards...and on and on, must he have? Good lord. In the first three years of my daughter's life (b. 2002), I uploaded over 10,000 pictures to my hard drive on my one (now ancient and outdated) PC. With modern machines, you can store hundreds of thousands of pictures on one drive. 15 computers? Holy gigabytes, Batman! Damn.
A forensic scientist's dream...all that equipment, and these creeps to sink with it. :)
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 07:39 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh said if father released he will move from home given charges against Steve Powell.
1 minute ago
http://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib
WHERE? Where are you going to move Josh?
BBM
Camping.
What was his purpose of having 15 computers? Is it something related to being a voyeur or the child porn? Were they just outdated computers that did not function? TIA
A lot of people who copy numerous CD's that they sell may have fifteen computers so they can burn a lot at once. If that's what they were for, what was SP selling? I'm sure he wasn't overloaded with orders for his songs. :rolleyes:
Were they porn DVD's or Child Porn DVD's? Something else?
LietKynes
09-27-2011, 07:47 PM
“I did not harm her, I did not have anything to do with her disappearance,” Josh said at today’s court hearing. “I love my wife. I have looked for her in my own private way.”
Quote from : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/09/josh-powell-invesigated-on-child-porn-charges/
Thought this sounded strange, " ...my own private way." ???? What exactly is that supposed to mean ? If my beloved husband went missing,heaven forbid, I'd be begging for any and all available people and resources to help; that would include any media time they'd give me to show his photo, etc...
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 07:49 PM
Investigators appear to have the same suspicion that Steve Powell had her body in his home. (!)
HS: I think you are onto something (Susan/corpse/SP). IMO. I researched the FBI profiler you mentioned yesterday in your post. I think the lyrics do tell part of the story. (Legitimate LE folks know that often times, guilty parties want to be found subconsciously). If her body was brought to SP to (uggh - live out his fantasy), I pray there were no photos involved...if you read between the lines without going over the edge here.
Well he wrote about the experience in his journals at least - SP changed his tune very markedly within days about what his feelings were about Susan. After the search, he changed his position to that he indeed was obsessed with Susan, and they did some things together, she was sexually charged, etc. What he is avoiding IMO is that the activity he wrote about in his journal was with her corpse. He wants to make that appear to look like Susan was a willing, alive participant. It's also telling how badly he wanted the journals back, more than the computers with child porn on them.
Another clue that this is an area of fantasy for SP is how descriptive he gets when talking about Susan.
MOO.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=16974236&nid=148
cocomod
09-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Why would he have 15 computers? I am wondering if it was for selling porn and for internet "hiding". 15 computers with IP addresses. He can hide what he is doing and who he is. Alias names here and there. We know that SP watched the FB pages and probably even WS. I just wonder how many charges will be brought against SP. JP will also have charges against him in the near future I would dare to speculate.
I wonder if he is running around trying to buy a computer so that he can check up on things. I am certain that he is making a memorable impression if he is! :floorlaugh:
passionflower
09-27-2011, 07:52 PM
Wasn't SP kidnapped by his father from his mother when he was young?
Is this a cycle on hating women?
Pssed it down to JP?
are LE still searching the mt?
passionflower
09-27-2011, 07:54 PM
“I did not harm her, I did not have anything to do with her disappearance,” Josh said at today’s court hearing. “I love my wife. I have looked for her in my own private way.”
Quote from : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/09/josh-powell-invesigated-on-child-porn-charges/
Thought this sounded strange, " ...my own private way." ???? What exactly is that supposed to mean ? If my beloved husband went missing,heaven forbid, I'd be begging for any and all available people and resources to help; that would include any media time they'd give me to show his photo, etc...
BBM didn't FCA also look for CAYLEE in her own wayfor 31 days???
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 08:01 PM
BBM didn't FCA also look for CAYLEE in her own wayfor 31 days???
:giggle:
“I did not harm her, I did not have anything to do with her disappearance,” Josh said at today’s court hearing. “I love my wife. I have looked for her in my own private way.”
Quote from : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/09/josh-powell-invesigated-on-child-porn-charges/
Thought this sounded strange, " ...my own private way." ???? What exactly is that supposed to mean ? If my beloved husband went missing,heaven forbid, I'd be begging for any and all available people and resources to help; that would include any media time they'd give me to show his photo, etc...
It means he's lying. Smacks of O.J.'s claims he'd find the suspect himself (on the golf courses of California).
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 08:27 PM
A poster way back when had aerial view of SP's back yard and pointed out a disturbed area of the ground. Don't remember who posted that but it seemed strange to me. I thought it was worth looking into. moo
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 08:52 PM
I've got some amazing info coming up.
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 08:54 PM
I wonder...he said I love my wife, in the present tense...also SP messed up once and said She " likes " then caught himself and said liked. Granted he is in his own fantasy world but I keep hoping.
He is so obsessed with her, why would he want her dead???
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 08:56 PM
I've got some amazing info coming up.
Thanks I'm on pins and needles...waiting and waiting..
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 08:56 PM
I've got some amazing info coming up.
Why not just tell us in that post? :waitasec:
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 09:11 PM
refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh... refresh...refresh...refresh
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 09:11 PM
Why not just tell us in that post? :waitasec:
Gee Dan, don't you like surprises.
Drum Roll Please.................http://youtu.be/NNaZedAWmlE
:woohoo:
Pensfan
09-27-2011, 09:18 PM
I wonder...he said I love my wife, in the present tense...also SP messed up once and said She " likes " then caught himself and said liked. Granted he is in his own fantasy world but I keep hoping.
He is so obsessed with her, why would he want her dead???
The narcissist (SP) couldn't control her. She wasn't submissive to him.
TallCoolOne
09-27-2011, 09:22 PM
So he's a singer, songwriter and also an artist now? Too bad he doesn't dance as well..........
I'm kind of afraid to look at any art of his to be honest.
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 09:22 PM
I wonder...he said I love my wife, in the present tense...also SP messed up once and said She " likes " then caught himself and said liked. Granted he is in his own fantasy world but I keep hoping.
He is so obsessed with her, why would he want her dead???
I about got laughed off the board when I said I wouldn't be surprised if SP had taken her somewhere and she is still alive. Maybe that is why he has all the computers. Surveillance!
Probably not true but it could happen. He is obsessed with her. However, he speaks of her in the past tense. "Susan and I had" and blah blah blah!
diphi
09-27-2011, 09:25 PM
I found something very interesting.
Per the reporter in this interview, she got a look at the search warrant of SP's home on Aug 25, 2011.
About 2:30 of video:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/128492198.html
Per her, the search warrant was for Susan's diary, electronic journals, every computer in the house, any videos linked to her, and also for trace amounts of blood.!!!
Investigators appear to have the same suspicion that Steve Powell had her body in his home. (!)
MOO.
Regarding the blood...I heard this report and the blood comment really stuck with me. I kept waiting for someone here to bring it up or for some mention in other MSM - it never happened here or in other media outlets. So...it seems either the reporter let something slip that she shouldn't have OR her reporting was off in this respect. IDK...it seemed like a reporting anomaly until just recently...now I'm starting to wonder.
IMO
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 09:26 PM
So he's a singer, songwriter and also an artist now? Too bad he doesn't dance as well..........
I'm kind of afraid to look at any art of his to be honest.
Didn't he go to samba classes or something like that? Next thing you know they'll have HIM on Dancing with the Stars.............
:Banane11: :Banane39: :bananajump: :Banane23: :Banane09: :Banane48: :Banane02: :Bananahi:
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 09:28 PM
The narcissist (SP) couldn't control her. She wasn't submissive to him.
But if he threatened her with her sons safety and he made her aware they were living with him ...that would be hard for her not to ignore. Just my opinion and I'm holding that slight hope still.
I read back a few pages and I'm not sure if this article has been posted here.
FYI
fran
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp
Friend: Steve Powell was obsessed with Susan, porn, for years
Ellensburg, Wash. • Over the course of their long-standing friendship, Sandy Crain Anderson learned two things about Steve Powell.
Powell was into pornography. And he was obsessed with his daughter-in-law, Susan Cox Powell.
<<<<<<<<<<<<< full article at link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
TallCoolOne
09-27-2011, 09:31 PM
Didn't he go to samba classes or something like that? Next thing you know they'll have HIM on Dancing with the Stars.............
:Banane11: :Banane39: :bananajump: :Banane23: :Banane09: :Banane48: :Banane02: :Bananahi:OMG! You're right, Zumba! Yucky!
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 09:36 PM
I WANNA KNOW NOW!! (Steely falls to the floor having a tantrum)
And I hollered over t' Steely, I said, "Don't
look, Steely!" But it's too late, he'd already been incensed.
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 09:41 PM
I'm curious when this was written?
diphi
09-27-2011, 09:46 PM
Crying = Loss.
He was crying because he murdered his wife and she was gone now. The weight of what he had done was overwhelming. This was way out of his league. MOO.
I think that's why he was crying, too, in the beginning. He seemed to be genuinely grieving her loss, but not so much that she was gone, but because he realized his life was forever changed and he had to live with what he did to her. He truly was overwhelmed by the way everything (whatever it was) unfolded and the actions he took.
But as time time has gone by he's accepted what happened and now his fake tears and sniffles just make me sick.
:yuck:
IMO
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 09:47 PM
I'm curious when this was written?
It was posted Sep 29, 2002.
When did Josh meet Susan?
Kimster
09-27-2011, 10:02 PM
We better start seeing some links real quick or some posts are going to go POOF.
twzzlrgirl
09-27-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm curious when this was written?
Steven Powell is absolutely disgusting. I feel the need to shower with some kind of brillo pad and perhaps take bleach to my eyes and brain after reading his hideous attempt at sexual poetry. I cannot imagine, as a woman and mother, living around this kind of perversion, knowing I was an object of such misplaced desire. Sickening is the only word for it. I will have nightmares tonight for sure.
vlpate
09-27-2011, 10:02 PM
“I did not harm her, I did not have anything to do with her disappearance,” Josh said at today’s court hearing. “I love my wife. I have looked for her in my own private way.”
Quote from : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/09/josh-powell-invesigated-on-child-porn-charges/
Thought this sounded strange, " ...my own private way." ???? What exactly is that supposed to mean ? If my beloved husband went missing,heaven forbid, I'd be begging for any and all available people and resources to help; that would include any media time they'd give me to show his photo, etc...
BEM: Maybe pictures of a hot body contest (typically where sociopaths hunt "in their own way" for lost loved ones), will surface soon?
bessie
09-27-2011, 10:04 PM
Seems like a good time for this REMINDER: It's your business where and what you read. But please remember that we are not allowed to copy and paste posts/comments from other websites.
Thanks!
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 10:09 PM
If I can't copy/paste the messages, I'll just link them. This one he talks about his marriage of 19 years, how it could not survive the fact he left the LDS religion:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Exmormon/message/32504
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 10:11 PM
In the first drawing why did he have the name of two cities in Brazil at the top of the page
Steely Dan
09-27-2011, 10:15 PM
BEM: Maybe pictures of a hot body contest (typically where sociopaths hunt "in their own way" for lost loved ones), will surface soon?
Dear God, the thought of KC and him reproducing. :puke: :sick: :puke:
wickedeye
09-27-2011, 10:17 PM
In the first drawing why did he have the name of two cities in Brazil at the top of the page
It's part of SP theory that Susan ran off with Steven Koecher.
diphi
09-27-2011, 10:18 PM
Well, I'm just not buying the Steven Koecher connection. I will say, though, SP has a fairly decent handwriting....
IMO
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Well, I'm just not buying the Steven Koecher connection. I will say, though, SP has a fairly decent handwriting....
IMO
How can you use SP and "decent" in the same sentence! :floorlaugh:
ThoughtFox
09-27-2011, 10:26 PM
I read back a few pages and I'm not sure if this article has been posted here.
FYI
fran
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52638750-78/powell-anderson-susan-police.html.csp
Friend: Steve Powell was obsessed with Susan, porn, for years
Ellensburg, Wash. • Over the course of their long-standing friendship, Sandy Crain Anderson learned two things about Steve Powell.
Powell was into pornography. And he was obsessed with his daughter-in-law, Susan Cox Powell.
<<<<<<<<<<<<< full article at link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OMG - that article is really something else! I don't really understand why this woman remained friends with Steve Powell when she knew he had a huge porn stash in his house. Wouldn't that creep someone out?
But beyond that, I'm angry that she told LE all that and nothing was done for months and months. I'm thinking he must have told other people, too. There has to be more to this.
Kimster
09-27-2011, 10:28 PM
How do we know this is Steven Powell??? I'm completely lost on how that was determined. And thank you for the link to the other site. The mods are removing all the copied pics as they are not allowed.
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 10:30 PM
It's part of SP theory that Susan ran off with Steven Koecher.
Oh thanks...hmmm wonder why he'd pick Brazil. Even though he's one sick person there's a reason..maybe I've just missed it.
Is there any way he could possibly be responsible for Kochner's disappearance?
HatesSociopaths
09-27-2011, 10:35 PM
In this messaage he says that many (like himself) make it a cause to expose the LDS religion to the "unwary public." He is writing to the editor of a newspaper and goes on a rant about LDS.
In this message he indicates that JP and Susan married a year earlier, which would make the marriage in 2001. (Is that right?) He is very upset he was not allowed to attend the wedding because he did not obtain a temple recommend, which was required for the marriage celebration.
As part of this, he rants about he was the sole financial support for his son for nearly two decades, provided a home for him after divorce from his mother, filled the role of nurturing parent (b.s.), yet was barred from one of "the most important events of his life." He talks a lot about the sacred undergarment for LDS.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Exmormon/message/34969
JeannieC
09-27-2011, 10:35 PM
OMG - that article is really something else! I don't really understand why this woman remained friends with Steve Powell when she knew he had a huge porn stash in his house. Wouldn't that creep someone out?
But beyond that, I'm angry that she told LE all that and nothing was done for months and months. I'm thinking he must have told other people, too. There has to be more to this.
As long a SP and JP are walking around free people might be hesitant to speak out.
Sandy did and LE ignored her. Possibly others have too. Hopefully, if anyone knows anything they will come forward since SP is in custody.
diphi
09-27-2011, 10:40 PM
OMG - that article is really something else! I don't really understand why this woman remained friends with Steve Powell when she knew he had a huge porn stash in his house. Wouldn't that creep someone out?
But beyond that, I'm angry that she told LE all that and nothing was done for months and months. I'm thinking he must have told other people, too. There has to be more to this.
Respectfully BBM
That's a prime example of why I have concerns about how LE handled this case in the beginning. But perhaps after a steep learning curve they are now heading in the right direction. They sure are stirring things up.
IMO
Kimster
09-27-2011, 10:45 PM
In this messaage he says that many (like himself) make it a cause to expose the LDS religion to the "unwary public." He is writing to the editor of a newspaper and goes on a rant about LDS.
In this message he indicates that JP and Susan married a year earlier, which would make the marriage in 2001. (Is that right?) He is very upset he was not allowed to attend the wedding because he did not obtain a temple recommend, which was required for the marriage celebration.
As part of this, he rants about he was the sole financial support for his son for nearly two decades, provided a home for him after divorce from his mother, filled the role of nurturing parent (b.s.), yet was barred from one of "the most important events of his life." He talks a lot about the sacred undergarment for LDS.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Exmormon/message/34969
However, we still don't know that it is him. BUT, it does make sense that it COULD be him from what we know so far, so we'll let y'all discuss it. Just don't copy pics and remember that we don't KNOW it's him that posted. It could be someone else just trying to get attention. I'll let Tricia know about this and maybe she can find out if this looks like SP's handwriting, unless one of you sleuths it out first. :kimsterwink:
wickedeye
09-27-2011, 10:45 PM
Oh thanks...hmmm wonder why he'd pick Brazil. Even though he's one sick person there's a reason..maybe I've just missed it.
Is there any way he could possibly be responsible for Kochner's disappearance?
I can't seem to find the 9 page letter that SP wrote to the FBI..has anyone else seen it? I remember it said something about Steven Koecher having done some mission work in Brazil...and since Susan wanted to learn Portugese(which I haven't heard anyone else mention she wanted to learn Portugese??).....that must mean that they ran away together to Brazil where people speak Portugese...but I don't have a link.
GingerRed
09-27-2011, 10:54 PM
Respectfully BBM
That's a prime example of why I have concerns about how LE handled this case in the beginning. But perhaps after a steep learning curve they are now heading in the right direction. They sure are stirring things up.
IMO
It may very well be that they didn't ignore her. They may have had no ability to get a warrant or otherwise access what she reported. It was after SP pulled his stunts with the diaries and the awful things he said about Susan that they went after this stuff.
Trust me. In my own life, right now, I am sitting on a ton of evidence that equals multiple felonies perpetrated on children. The police and prosecutor (same prosecutor as the Powell case, I might add) can do NOTHING about it because the perps have rights to privacy. The police often quite deliberately IGNORE me when I find more and send it to them, but it's not because they don't care or are inept. It's because they can't look at it because of how I found it.
diphi
09-27-2011, 10:59 PM
It may very well be that they didn't ignore her. They may have had no ability to get a warrant or otherwise access what she reported. It was after SP pulled his stunts with the diaries and the awful things he said about Susan that they went after this stuff.
Trust me. In my own life, right now, I am sitting on a ton of evidence that equals multiple felonies perpetrated on children. The police and prosecutor (same prosecutor as the Powell case, I might add) can do NOTHING about it because the perps have rights to privacy. The police often quite deliberately IGNORE me when I find more and send it to them, but it's not because they don't care or are inept. It's because they can't look at it because of how I found it.
Ok. Thanks for that clarification. Best of luck to you.
IMO
hollyblue
09-27-2011, 11:01 PM
I can't seem to find the 9 page letter that SP wrote to the FBI..has anyone else seen it? I remember it said something about Steven Koecher having done some mission work in Brazil...and since Susan wanted to learn Portugese(which I haven't heard anyone else mention she wanted to learn Portugese??).....that must mean that they ran away together to Brazil where people speak Portugese...but I don't have a link.
Yes, SK did his mission work in San Paulo, Brazil.
tiredblondy
09-27-2011, 11:02 PM
The user ID that Steven Powell appears to use is SCPowell
Being that he is such a big mouth, I feel a thorough sleuth could possibly be of value.
He possibly has a membership at this site as well (anyone know if he became a Catholic?):
Catholic Answers Forums - View Profile: SCPowell (http://forums.catholic.com/member.php?u=131417)
I've been looking through the yahoo forums...LOL I've pulled up everything I could think of there's one I'm still wading through but I thought I had one when I typed in "Steve The Man" but it was for an MIT place..:innocent:
still looking even under her name...
snupy
09-27-2011, 11:12 PM
I can't seem to find the 9 page letter that SP wrote to the FBI..has anyone else seen it? I remember it said something about Steven Koecher having done some mission work in Brazil...and since Susan wanted to learn Portugese(which I haven't heard anyone else mention she wanted to learn Portugese??).....that must mean that they ran away together to Brazil where people speak Portugese...but I don't have a link.
Is this what you are looking for?? After everything that has happened I am going to have to re-read it!!
http://susanpowell.org/Content/Download/2010-03-01-Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell-brainstorm-by-Steve-Powell.pdf
snupy
09-27-2011, 11:21 PM
<snip>
By Friday night, February 12, 2010, Susan Powell's father-in-law, Steve Powell, had learned about Steven Koecher and noted many parallels connecting these two cases. Steve Powell immediately contacted law enforcement to share this information, including: the FBI; the Henderson, Nevada Police Department; and the St. George, Utah Police Department.
http://susanpowell.org/Susan-Powell-missing-person/Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell-connection/Parallel-disappearances-Utah-Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell
Lera213
09-27-2011, 11:23 PM
I'm lost I couldn't navigate to see any drawings nor his post.
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