Recording of Micheal Jacksons completely impaired state. [Archive]

Soulmagent

09-28-2011, 08:48 PM

Yesterday during the opening statement of the Conrad Murray trial ,prosecutors played a disturbing recording of Micheal Jackson from
May10th 2009. Murray recorded this with his Iphone.

SteelyDan posted this link to the court archives in another thread.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/?/collection/MICHAEL_JACKSON_DEATH_TRIAL&hpt=hp_t2

Here is one of many articles on the subject.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/michael-jackson-s-voice-played-at-conrad-1005373352.story

Soulmagent

09-30-2011, 09:44 AM

Is propofol that addicting that one would need to ween themselfs off of it? If use is stopped cold turkey are there effects that would cause the body to respond.

I have been thinking over why Conrad Murray made this recording on May 10th and then turned arround and ordered more on May 12.

He says he was trying to help Micheal Jackson. Was the recording made to let Micheal hear how he sound when he was on Propofol? Was it made to blackmail MJ and his producers after learning about the insurance for the show?

I wondered why a doctor would try to assist remove Micheal from an addiction so close to this huge tour ,if his body would react in a stressful way then Conrad Murray had placed himself in a no win position as had Micheal with the propofol and the doctor allegded weaning during this time makes no sence.

I question why there was not a metered IV machine ,verses a drip pole and the amature set up of it all. Was Micheal having an amature set him up before doctor Murry? Even a bad doctor would want better devices then what was shown to have been used. There wouldnt have been any problem for the doctor to have gotten that stuff so was he trying to make it impossible in a doctors mind to give him propofol and caved to Micheal demand as a last resort? Or was he just being cheap and completely wreckles and didnt care? He had to know something was going to happen.

What made him record Micheal that way?

daisy7

09-30-2011, 10:00 AM

Is propofol that addicting that one would need to ween themselfs off of it? If use is stopped cold turkey are there effects that would cause the body to respond.

I have been thinking over why Conrad Murray made this recording on May 10th and then turned arround and ordered more on May 12.

He says he was trying to help Micheal Jackson. Was the recording made to let Micheal hear how he sound when he was on Propofol? Was it made to blackmail MJ and his producers after learning about the insurance for the show?

I wondered why a doctor would try to assist remove Micheal from an addiction so close to this huge tour ,if his body would react in a stressful way then Conrad Murray had placed himself in a no win position as had Micheal with the propofol and the doctor allegded weaning during this time makes no since.

I question why there was not a metered IV machine ,verses a drip pole and the amature set up of it all. Was Micheal having an amature set him up before doctor Murry? Even a bad doctor would want better devices then what was shown to have been used. There wouldnt have been any problem for the doctor to have gotten that stuff so was he trying to make it impossible in a doctors mind to give him propofol and caved to Micheal demand as a last resort? Or was he just being cheap and completely wreckles and didnt care? He had to know something was going to happen.

What made him record Micheal that way?

Respectfully, BBM. I listened to the recording yesterday and that was was my first question. Why would he record it???

HatesSociopaths

09-30-2011, 11:43 AM

It has been reported that the euphoria caused by propofol is unlike that caused by other sedation agents, "I even remember my first experience using propofol: a young woman who was emerging from a MAC anesthesia[22] looked at me as though I were a masked Brad Pitt and told me that she felt simply wonderful." —C.F. Ward, M.D.[23]
Propofol has reportedly induced priapism in some individuals.[24][25]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

I think MJ wanted CM to record his voicing of goals about the tour during his euphoria as he felt a keen sense of enlightenment on the drug, but later could not remember his thoughts.

It was because he wanted the tour to be the greatest ever, IMO. He knew that on the drug he was seeing things from a higher plane, but could not remember any of it. Propofil slang for it is "milk of amnesia."

MOO.

Soulmagent

09-30-2011, 11:48 AM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

I think MJ wanted CM to record his voicing of goals about the tour during his euphoria as he felt a keen sense of enlightenment on the drug, but later could not remember his thoughts.

It was because he wanted the tour to be the greatest ever, IMO. He knew that on the drug he was seeing things from a higher plane, but could not remember any of it. Propofil slang for it is "milk of amnesia."

MOO.

I think of all the things I had thought about never did this enter my head. I think you might be right but I would expect there to be more recordings and ones other people had made.

wfgodot

09-30-2011, 11:51 AM

Never heard a voice like that before. Sounded almost post-mortem.

HatesSociopaths

09-30-2011, 11:54 AM

I think of all the things I had thought about never did this enter my head. I think you might be right but I would expect there to be more recordings and ones other people had made.

The duration of the high is very short, reportedly. Something like an hour. It might be a very interesting google search to look into what recreational users of the drug have said about it. I'll see what I can find. Anyway, it is likely no one else was around him during this euphoria other than CM. And the other recordings were likely deleted, but this one was a statement of goals that may have been one MJ wanted kept around. MOO.

HatesSociopaths

09-30-2011, 11:56 AM

[Assessment of the addictive risk of propofol].
[Article in German]
Bonnet U.
Source
Klinik für Psychiatrie und Psychotherapie & Klinik für abhängiges Verhalten und Suchtmedizin, LVR-Klinikum Essen, Universität Duisburg/Essen.
Abstract
In a survey of American and German medical personnel, the injectable hypnotic propofol was identified as one of the most frequently abused anaesthetics. With the help of MEDLINE, EMBASE, Scopus, Cochrane and internet search, data were sought that permit an assessment of propofol's risk of addiction. The clinical evaluation for hypnotics can usually be made with the scale of Griffith and Johnson. Thereafter, the relative risk of addiction (dependence potential/toxicity) of propofol is rather moderate if compared to phenobarbital. Its addictive potential is somewhat lower than that of lorazepam and cannabis (non-hypnotic reference) approximately in the range of that of triazolam or zopiclon. The few published clinical case reports (n = 8) are mainly from Germany and describe distinct psychological (craving, loss of control, focusing of behaviour on the use and procurement of the substance) and low levels of physical features of addiction (withdrawal symptoms, tolerance). On average, in the case reports 4.25 of 6 criteria of dependence (ICD-10) were met. The consumption of propofol is mainly limited to medical or medical-related occupations. Propofol has yet not arrived on the local black markets. An oral consumption appears not to occur or to be unattractive. The incentive of propofol's "high" (euphoria/relaxation) via the intravenous route is probably underestimated. This is supported by a high mortality rate (46.2 %) in the 78 reports on the consumption of propofol up to date. Forensic analyses consider mainly accidental respiratory arrests to be responsible for the deaths. In summary, propofol is considered to be a primary mental addictive substance that is characteristically intravenously consumed by persons within the medical profession. Because of its apparently narrow safety margin between pleasure and death, propofol is an extraordinary hazard which, unfortunately, is only reflected insufficiently in the scale of Griffith and Johnson.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21809257

Melanie

09-30-2011, 12:03 PM

The duration of the high is very short, reportedly. Something like an hour. It might be a very interesting google search to look into what recreational users of the drug have said about it. I'll see what I can find. Anyway, it is likely no one else was around him during this euphoria other than CM. And the other recordings were likely deleted, but this one was a statement of goals that may have been one MJ wanted kept around. MOO.

I guess this drug is used by many - I had no idea!

And while many hadn't heard of the drug until after Jackson died, "Anesthesiology News" reported in 2007 that abuse of propofol increased fivefold. Because it's so short-acting, addicts -- typically medical professionals -- may inject themselves dozens of times a day.

Scary!

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8180902&page=2

HatesSociopaths

09-30-2011, 12:23 PM

The qualities that make propofol a popular sedative also make it a recreational drug for some in the medical profession. It doesn't show up in standard drug tests in the urine, and with a half-life of only five minutes, it doesn't leave the user groggy or affect behavior in a way that signals a substance-abuse problem.
...
The study cited seven deaths. Dr. Wischmeyer and others in the field say that they know of other cases and estimate that the total number of deaths is at least several dozen in recent years.

"If you try to count backward from 100 after it's injected, you don't get to 97," says Dr. Wischmeyer. He and others say the drug is safe for hospital patients as long as a medical worker monitors "airway management" and provides oxygen as needed to ensure breathing doesn't stop.

Anesthetists and users say propofol can bring a brief but captivating high as the sedation wears off. Some call the habit, "dancing with a white rabbit," referring to the drug's color and hallucinogens of the 1960s. Others call it "pronapping," because the drug induces a short rest for medical personnel between long shifts.
Paul Earley, medical director of Talbott Recovery Campus in Atlanta, which treats many medical professionals for substance abuse, said addictions to opiates and other drugs obscured the growing use of propofol.

"I was injecting it 50 times a day when I was in my worst period," says an anesthesiologist in the Midwest, who recently completed a stint in rehabilitation to kick the propofol habit. He said he began "pronapping" a couple of years ago while under stress from his job, family and finances. He hid the signs of shooting up by putting a port for a syringe on his leg, where it wasn't visible.

At night, he would inject the drug into the port in the bathroom, where his wife assumed he was brushing his teeth. "Sometimes it acted so fast, I couldn't get back to bed in time," said the anesthesiologist. He would pass out on the floor, terrifying his wife, and he said that on occasion he broke his nose or cheekbone or sprained a wrist.
...
Propofol is so potent that a tiny amount -- 20 milligrams -- can be the difference between rest and death. "It enters your bloodstream fast, and even highly trained anesthesiologists can't control it, and die. They don't even have seconds to pull out the needle," said Art Zwerling, a registered nurse anesthetist and counselor with the Association of Nurse Anesthetists, a 39,000-member group.
...
Clarence Ward, a California anesthesiologist, wrote in a 2008 article in the California Society of Anesthesiologists bulletin, that too many doctors don't acknowledge abuse. In an interview, he said people die "not necessarily from intent, but from an inability to control a drug that causes abrupt loss of consciousness."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124951605785809351.html

LyndyLoo

10-01-2011, 10:29 PM

ya know I truly hate to burst all your bubbles here..but Profolol is NOT a recreation drug..and if you watch this video showing how it works..you may understand why..ANYONE who uses this drug without proper setting will die..yikes..CANNOT believe some equate this drug with cocaine/barbs/beno's..This drug is meant ONLY for PROFESSION use..and Conrad Murray was conducting a mission of impossible..due to LACK of knowledge, concern and $$$ in his eyes..

So please get Diprivan/Propofol out your heads as a toy drug..NOpE..Its lethal in the wrong hands!1 Guess I cant say it more clearly..
here's video`~

How does a Propofol injection work? Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Dr. Raphael Gershon on CNN

How does a Propofol injection work? Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Dr. Raphael Gershon on CNN - YouTube

Isabelle

10-01-2011, 11:06 PM

I think Dr. Murray made that recording of MJ while he was under the influence of whatever drug Dr. Murray gave him, and I think he did it without MJ's knowledge. Maybe he wanted a little blackmail as insurance on the job! If I'm not mistaken, I think the doc violated HIPAA, esp if there is no signed consent from MJ for the recording.

panthera

10-02-2011, 03:44 PM

I think Dr. Murray made that recording of MJ while he was under the influence of whatever drug Dr. Murray gave him, and I think he did it without MJ's knowledge. Maybe he wanted a little blackmail as insurance on the job! If I'm not mistaken, I think the doc violated HIPAA, esp if there is no signed consent from MJ for the recording.

Unfortunately we may never know if MJ consented or not; or what the true reason was for Murray to make the recording. I wouldn't imagine, however, that MJ wanted the world to hear him speaking incoherently under the influence of anything.

MOO

oceanblueeyes

10-02-2011, 10:39 PM

Unfortunately we may never know if MJ consented or not; or what the true reason was for Murray to make the recording. I wouldn't imagine, however, that MJ wanted the world to hear him speaking incoherently under the influence of anything.

MOO

Imo, MJ would never consent to this. Never.

I agree with Tom Messareau. He thinks Murray was the one that made MJ in this impaired state and then recorded him speaking without MJs knowledge. He believes he did it for the same reasons so many others have done that have betrayed MJ for their own personal financial gain.

Like Mes said if MJ fired him this would be another way he could make big money selling it to the tabloids. Mes also thinks Murray taped him at other times too and they just haven't found those recordings.

It did make me think of when Murray called his Texas office that morning and his workers were seen taking boxes out of his warehouse.

MJ could not have given legal consent anyway because he was in an impaired state of mind.

IMO

oceanblueeyes

10-02-2011, 10:42 PM

I think Dr. Murray made that recording of MJ while he was under the influence of whatever drug Dr. Murray gave him, and I think he did it without MJ's knowledge. Maybe he wanted a little blackmail as insurance on the job! If I'm not mistaken, I think the doc violated HIPAA, esp if there is no signed consent from MJ for the recording.

He violated California law.

If one is going to be recorded it first must be on the recording that they are giving their consent.

He had no attentions of asking MJs permission.

This man is far from what he likes to appear to be.

IMO

oceanblueeyes

10-02-2011, 10:58 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124951605785809351.html

I don't see how it could be a recreational drug since it does not make someone high and they aren't even aware of their surroundings when they are under propofol anesthesia. They are more like in an induced coma state but unless the surgery is long it is very short acting drug and leaves very little side affects upon waking.

The anesthesiologists I have seen discuss this over the past two years say it is not a physically additive drug like a narcotic/cocaine/meth etc. If one is sleep deprived like some doctors or nurses they have been known to use propofol for very short power 'naps' since they work long hours a lot of time with little rest.

It may be psychologically addictive if one suffers from insomnia or uses it as a short power 'nap' like some doctors and nurses have been known to do.

But the body does not go into withdrawals if propofol is not given. Propofol dissipates very quickly.

Propofol is used hundreds..perhaps thousands of times a day across hospitals and clinics in our country. It is a very safe drug BUT it must always be used with extreme care and caution.

The instructions that come with each bottle clearly states that the patient MUST BE monitored at all times and life saving measures and monitoring equipment must always be in place. AND if something goes wrong with the patient it is recommended that help is summoned immediately.

All those things Murray failed to do. Never mind the talking/texting/emailing for 47 minutes and totally abandoning the patient at the most critical time.

IMO

Isabelle

10-02-2011, 11:12 PM

He violated California law.

If one is going to be recorded it first must be on the recording that they are giving their consent.

He had no attentions of asking MJs permission.

This man is far from what he likes to appear to be.

IMO

Surely the Board of Medicine has taken note of this. Bet they watch this case play by play.

Soulmagent

10-02-2011, 11:12 PM

I have heard people mention the "high" from the drug occurs after one awakens. I however have heard gossip and have no personal research time in it myself.

Melly53

10-03-2011, 01:40 AM

I hate to burst people's bubble but there is no "high" that I have ever felt from this drug. You do not even remain "groggy" upon waking after about one minute sometimes less. I asked a friend of mine about it and she said she experienced the same. We both go to different Pain Clinics (associated with hospitals) to receive injections in facet joints of the spine. We are always monitered with all the proper equipment and are never left alone for even a minute.

I cannot figure out why Murray would have made a recording of this type unless it was "insurance" for the future and a way to make money.

AuburnSchnauzer

10-03-2011, 01:57 AM

The voice we all heard was not Profo - Profo knocks your a$$ out immediately (for about 4 minutes as I understand it). I think the voice here is a drugged MJ on some sort of relaxant because MJ could not sleep. He was in dire need of money when he signed the contract with this company to do this tour and could not handle it physically or mentally and he knew it. He was about to lose everything he owned, and the company knew it would take a high paid doctor to provide the drugs needed to get him thru it which it didn't. Sad indeed and by Janet Jackson claiming that she "tried to get him help for his drug addiction" is a dam joke. I expect the Defense will bring a lot out that hasn't been appreciated yet.

I am from Santa Barbara County and remember "Sycamore Valley Ranch" in Reagan Country before this little creep turned it into a dam mess.....

oceanblueeyes

10-03-2011, 09:39 AM

The voice we all heard was not Profo - Profo knocks your a$$ out immediately (for about 4 minutes as I understand it). I think the voice here is a drugged MJ on some sort of relaxant because MJ could not sleep. He was in dire need of money when he signed the contract with this company to do this tour and could not handle it physically or mentally and he knew it. He was about to lose everything he owned, and the company knew it would take a high paid doctor to provide the drugs needed to get him thru it which it didn't. Sad indeed and by Janet Jackson claiming that she "tried to get him help for his drug addiction" is a dam joke. I expect the Defense will bring a lot out that hasn't been appreciated yet.

I am from Santa Barbara County and remember "Sycamore Valley Ranch" in Reagan Country before this little creep turned it into a dam mess.....

I do not believe that for one second.

A lot of wealthy people have cash flow problems because their tremendous assets are tied up. That never mean they are broke. Some people had been stating for many many years he was broke yet MJ never declared bankruptcy. Never. So imo that was just another myth. Now the estimated value of his estate is in the billions.

If he had sold off everything he owned he still would have had millions. That is why the estate and the children have gotten to keep so many of his valuable memorabilia and his millions of dollars worth of collectibles.

Michael didn't buy $50 items to furnish his home. Each and every item in his home (tons of it stored in many warehouses when he passed away and in a home in LV) were all worth a gold mine and belonging to MJ made them even more valuable.

His three Rolls Royce's are going to each of his beautiful children. Broke? I think not. I haven't seen one item repossessed yet that he owned.:floorlaugh:

IMO

kline

10-04-2011, 03:08 AM

Imo, MJ would never consent to this. Never.

I agree with Tom Messareau. He thinks Murray was the one that made MJ in this impaired state and then recorded him speaking without MJs knowledge. He believes he did it for the same reasons so many others have done that have betrayed MJ for their own personal financial gain.

Like Mes said if MJ fired him this would be another way he could make big money selling it to the tabloids. Mes also thinks Murray taped him at other times too and they just haven't found those recordings.

It did make me think of when Murray called his Texas office that morning and his workers were seen taking boxes out of his warehouse.

MJ could not have given legal consent anyway because he was in an impaired state of mind.

IMOOf course lets keep in mind that if Michael Jackson hadnt manipulated people into his personal sphere (children,unscrupulous doctors ect.) to exploit for his own personal reasons he wouldnt have left himself vunerable to betrayal such as this and the many other times these type of arrangements have got him in trouble.
He was a 50 year old man.Not Peter Pan.
Dont get me wrong I hope Murray is prosecuted to the full extent of the law but Michael Jackson bears responsibilty for what happened as well.
Many folks have had Faaar worse childhoods then the Jacksons and lead responsible lives as functioning adults.

HatesSociopaths

10-05-2011, 01:31 AM

"I was injecting it 50 times a day when I was in my worst period," says an anesthesiologist in the Midwest, who recently completed a stint in rehabilitation to kick the propofol habit. He said he began "pronapping" a couple of years ago while under stress from his job, family and finances. He hid the signs of shooting up by putting a port for a syringe on his leg, where it wasn't visible.

At night, he would inject the drug into the port in the bathroom, where his wife assumed he was brushing his teeth. "Sometimes it acted so fast, I couldn't get back to bed in time," said the anesthesiologist. He would pass out on the floor, terrifying his wife, and he said that on occasion he broke his nose or cheekbone or sprained a wrist.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124951605785809351.html

It is certainly a drug that can be abused.

sumbunny

10-06-2011, 11:17 AM

Not sure if his entire recording has been heard.

I found it here http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/recording-a-slurring-michael-jackson-talks-to-dr-murray/

oceanblueeyes

10-06-2011, 11:36 AM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

I think MJ wanted CM to record his voicing of goals about the tour during his euphoria as he felt a keen sense of enlightenment on the drug, but later could not remember his thoughts.

It was because he wanted the tour to be the greatest ever, IMO. He knew that on the drug he was seeing things from a higher plane, but could not remember any of it. Propofil slang for it is "milk of amnesia."

MOO.

I absolutely will never believe that. MJ was a very shy private man. He knew how people used him for their own personal gain and greediness. He would never open himself up to be exploited with being in this vulnerable condition.

I saw no entitlement in Michael Jackson whatsoever. I never have. I heard a man who was the most famous entertainer of all time talking about helping children. Not talking about what all he was going to buy himself after the tour.:innocent:

I don't agree with JVM often but yesterday she got it right. She said this tape shows Michael Jackson was a man who was pure of heart.

It was totally illegal what Murray did and reprehensible. When one is recorded in California the permission of the person being recorded must be on the same recording in their voice first before any conversation begins.

Murray is just another among a long line of many who have betrayed MJ.:furious:

IMO

oceanblueeyes

10-06-2011, 11:45 AM

Of course lets keep in mind that if Michael Jackson hadnt manipulated people into his personal sphere (children,unscrupulous doctors ect.) to exploit for his own personal reasons he wouldn't have left himself vunerable to betrayal such as this and the many other times these type of arrangements have got him in trouble.
He was a 50 year old man.Not Peter Pan.
Dont get me wrong I hope Murray is prosecuted to the full extent of the law but Michael Jackson bears responsibilty for what happened as well.
Many folks have had Faaar worse childhoods then the Jacksons and lead responsible lives as functioning adults.

We are not talking about other things.

This thread is about Murray recording his patient without his knowledge and if Murray had a release from MJ the DT would have whipped it out lightning fast in cross.

A bad childhood is based on the child who lived it. We cannot equate the pain felt by degrees and say it was better or worse unless we are that individual child who lived it.

IMO

HatesSociopaths

10-06-2011, 12:09 PM

I absolutely will never believe that. MJ was a very shy private man. He knew how people used him for their own personal gain and greediness. He would never open himself up to be exploited with being in this vulnerable condition.

I saw no entitlement in Michael Jackson whatsoever. I never have. I heard a man who was the most famous entertainer of all time talking about helping children. Not talking about what all he was going to buy himself after the tour.:innocent:

I don't agree with JVM often but yesterday she got it right. She said this tape shows Michael Jackson was a man who was pure of heart.

It was totally illegal what Murray did and reprehensible. When one is recorded in California the permission of the person being recorded must be on the same recording in their voice first before any conversation begins.

Murray is just another among a long line of many who have betrayed MJ.:furious:

IMO

I speculated that theory before having much background info on Conman Murray. Now that his profile is more easily written, I believe CM was secretly recording MJ for nefarious reasons, namely as something that would be of financial value later on.

Melly53

10-06-2011, 09:21 PM

Not sure if his entire recording has been heard.

I found it here http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/recording-a-slurring-michael-jackson-talks-to-dr-murray/

Does anyone else find it strange that towards the end of the recording after Michael talked about wanting to build a children's hospital and such that Conrad Murray responded with "I know you would". Doesn't it seem more logical to say 'I know you will', if you are speaking about the future?

Peazzzer

10-06-2011, 10:23 PM

MJ's voice on that tape just haunts me, I get the chills just Thinking about it. For a doctor to do that is beyond disgusting, demonstrates not only his lack of ethics, but much worse, his total lack of morals. Was the doc getting his jollys to take MJ as close to death as possible to just revive him? Or was he using drugs to get MJ to talk, hoping he could get some good blackmail material? I hope MJ rests in peace, but those poor children! they wont ever be the same.

Bobbisangel

10-08-2011, 03:54 AM

I absolutely will never believe that. MJ was a very shy private man. He knew how people used him for their own personal gain and greediness. He would never open himself up to be exploited with being in this vulnerable condition.

I saw no entitlement in Michael Jackson whatsoever. I never have. I heard a man who was the most famous entertainer of all time talking about helping children. Not talking about what all he was going to buy himself after the tour.:innocent:

I don't agree with JVM often but yesterday she got it right. She said this tape shows Michael Jackson was a man who was pure of heart.

It was totally illegal what Murray did and reprehensible. When one is recorded in California the permission of the person being recorded must be on the same recording in their voice first before any conversation begins.

Murray is just another among a long line of many who have betrayed MJ.:furious:

IMO

You are so right. I hope Murray gets everything he deserves and more. So what if Michael had a problem with drugs. Does that mean that a doctor is supposed to get him whatever he wants or demands? Murray got him anything he wanted cause he was getting paid the big bucks and if he said no the money would have stopped. The doctor knew better...that is the point...not that Michael had a problem with drugs. I hold the doctor responsible for Michael's death. First of all he should have never had most of those drugs in the house and he should have not been giving Michael a drug that is only used in surgery in a surgical room. That doctor knew he didn't have the proper equipment in case something went wrong. If he had stayed off the phone maybe he would have realized that something was wrong soon enough to save Michael's life.

I think Murray taped Michael so that he could sell that recording someday. He didn't have good intentions when he recorded him.

oceanblueeyes

10-12-2011, 09:52 AM

You are so right. I hope Murray gets everything he deserves and more. So what if Michael had a problem with drugs. Does that mean that a doctor is supposed to get him whatever he wants or demands? Murray got him anything he wanted cause he was getting paid the big bucks and if he said no the money would have stopped. The doctor knew better...that is the point...not that Michael had a problem with drugs. I hold the doctor responsible for Michael's death. First of all he should have never had most of those drugs in the house and he should have not been giving Michael a drug that is only used in surgery in a surgical room. That doctor knew he didn't have the proper equipment in case something went wrong. If he had stayed off the phone maybe he would have realized that something was wrong soon enough to save Michael's life.

I think Murray taped Michael so that he could sell that recording someday. He didn't have good intentions when he recorded him.

Are we really surprised that another person did something nefarious to MJ in order to make money off of him? The point of him taping MJ in a vulnerable state of mind is he had no legal right to do so whatsoever..yet he did. When one takes advantage of MJ it is always done with 'how many bucks can it bring ME." So I am not surprised this charlatan taped MJ. He is just one among many that had betrayed MJs trust.

While there has been no evidence entered showing MJ to be an active drug addict it is very certain he suffered from terrible insomnia and felt rightly or wrongly propofol was the only thing that worked.

I just read an article yesterday about a recent study done and there does seem to be some truth in that and it can help insomnia patients but of course it is administered in a hospital or clinical setting only.

Murray acted like the doctors we use to hear about who performed abortions in a back alley somewhere. No safeguards in place anywhere for their patients in case an emergency arose.

Murray had done this for 60 days he said in his interview to LE but something went terribly wrong the day he killed MJ. He simply was more preoccupied with talking/texting the ladies than continuing to monitor his paycheck (MJ) and for that reason and that reason alone is why MJ died. CM had to jerry rig the propofol and way too much entered his blood stream at one time causing cardiac arrest minutes after.

IMO