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Callie

10-01-2011, 04:41 PM

Being an avid dog lover I'm concerned about what has become of Ocean. If any of the Shacknai's believe that Ocean may have caused Max's accident, and he's at Jonah's, how will he be treated?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/jonah-shacknai-hired-private-investigator-after-max-rebecca-zahau-deaths

Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog tells us, "Jonah called me and said a private investigator, Denis Love was going to pick-up the dog. Jonah said Denis was a good guy and an ex-cop. The private investigator didn't ask me any questions."

Mrs. Holmes

10-01-2011, 08:23 PM

Curious Me

10-01-2011, 08:52 PM

Animals can be so healing when you're grieving, in most cases, but I think Ocean would be a constant painful reminder to JS of his losses. It'd probably be best to find Ocean a new loving home.

Callie

10-01-2011, 09:12 PM

I'm wondering if there's anyway to find out? Without having to put the mansion under surveillance.:detective: :)

If it were my sister I would want her dog. it would be like having a part of her. Something she loved. But that's just me.

Rhyme & Reason

10-01-2011, 10:35 PM

I know someone who lost a court case over his dogs continuous barking. He was fined $500. He was so mad he went straight home from court & shot the dog. Idiot.

I'm also worried about Ocean.

Callie

10-01-2011, 11:41 PM

I know someone who lost a court case over his dogs continuous barking. He was fined $500. He was so mad he went straight home from court & shot the dog. Idiot.

I'm also worried about Ocean.

Oh, that ba$tard! I'd like to shoot him too. For about $80 to $100 he could have bought a bark collar that puts out a small electric shock and avoided the whole court thing. These collars are effective and by no means cruel. The dog only needs to bark once, maybe twice and he'll never do it again, as long as the collar is on. Those high-pitched sound collars are not as effective if at all. I tried one and it didn't work.

I put the shock collar on myself and barked. It was just a quick buzz and that was it.

Rhyme & Reason

10-02-2011, 12:34 AM

Oh, that ba$tard! I'd like to shoot him too. For about $80 to $100 he could have bought a bark collar that puts out a small electric shock and avoided the whole court thing. These collars are effective and by no means cruel. The dog only needs to bark once, maybe twice and he'll never do it again, as long as the collar is on. Those high-pitched sound collars are not as effective if at all. I tried one and it didn't work.

I put the shock collar on myself and barked. It was just a quick buzz and that was it.

BBM - I agree!!

So if there's people out there who would kill their dog over $500 bucks, think about what someone may do if they thought their dog may have been responsible for their child's fatal accident!

I've been worried about Ocean since it was stated that Jonah had him picked up. Maybe Jonah gave him to the PI?

Edit: I'm hoping Jonah gave him to the PI!!

Callie

10-02-2011, 05:08 AM

BBM - I agree!!

So if there's people out there who would kill their dog over $500 bucks, think about what someone may do if they thought their dog may have been responsible for their child's fatal accident!

I've been worried about Ocean since it was stated that Jonah had him picked up. Maybe Jonah gave him to the PI?

Edit: I'm hoping Jonah gave him to the PI!!

Me too. I was thinking about calling Animal Control and have them check on Ocean's well being. They'll do that. I don't know if they will in this situation but they'll probably think I'm nuts. :crazy:

stilettos

10-02-2011, 07:40 AM

Oh, that ba$tard! I'd like to shoot him too. For about $80 to $100 he could have bought a bark collar that puts out a small electric shock and avoided the whole court thing. These collars are effective and by no means cruel. The dog only needs to bark once, maybe twice and he'll never do it again, as long as the collar is on. Those high-pitched sound collars are not as effective if at all. I tried one and it didn't work.

I put the shock collar on myself and barked. It was just a quick buzz and that was it.

Well...I have one that the high pitched collar didn't work, nor the shock collar...she also gets out of the yard with the underground fence...she is an 8lb Yorkie and full of P&V. Aggravates the he77 outta me but I would not trade her for the world. Anyone that would kill a perfectly healthy dog should get the same treatment, IMO.

greenpalm

10-02-2011, 09:36 AM

I've been wondering about Ocean too. Matpybe that guy that picked him up took him.

Mrs. Holmes

10-02-2011, 09:43 AM

A private investigator named Denis Love should not be hard to find? Doubt he will tell us anything.

Mrs. Holmes

10-02-2011, 09:46 AM

Dennis Love from Elite Services... also... we could snoop around and see if someone who works for the private plane hires knows.... if the dog was with Jonah when he flew back to Scottsdale?

Mrs. Holmes

10-02-2011, 09:50 AM

Dogs are so sensitive. A dog would know something really awful has happened. Their dog life would be turned upside down.

I know when I tripped over my dog and sprained my ankle... my dog knew... what was up... and was very sympathetic.. and more careful after that. We both were actually.

Okay I must admit I am a big dog lover. On my third dog... had them all their very long and happy lives.

4Jacy

10-02-2011, 10:36 AM

Callie

10-02-2011, 06:27 PM

Callie

10-02-2011, 06:43 PM

Well...I have one that the high pitched collar didn't work, nor the shock collar...she also gets out of the yard with the underground fence...she is an 8lb Yorkie and full of P&V. Aggravates the he77 outta me but I would not trade her for the world. Anyone that would kill a perfectly healthy dog should get the same treatment, IMO.

Hi stilettos, Did you have the shock collar on tight enough? I'm surprised it didn't work.
Your little yorkie, she's got spirit! And ya gotta love that.

There are four words that I absolutely abhor and they are: "It's just a dog"
I get so mad when I hear someone say that. A guy said that to me one time and before I could zip my lip I said. "Oh yeah, well you're just a $hit-a$$ human being that has no respect for the best friend you could ever hope to have." His jaw dropped and I walked away.

Callie

10-02-2011, 06:53 PM

If JS were in any way involved with RN's murder, and since Ocean was her dog, I shutter to think what has happened to him.

There is a very special place for people who abuse animals and it's called HE//

Can we torture them first? http://www.postsmile.net/img/19/1951.gif (http://www.postsmile.com/)

Callie

10-02-2011, 07:00 PM

I've been wondering about Ocean too. Matpybe that guy that picked him up took him.

Maybe. Anybody (that loves dogs) would be better than going back to the Shacknai's. IMO

I was just thinking about your: You have the right to remain silent etc. and remembered the comedian, Ron White, in one of his skits saying: "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability" Got a big chuckle out of that one.

Callie

10-02-2011, 07:11 PM

A private investigator named Denis Love should not be hard to find? Doubt he will tell us anything.

Dennis Love from Elite Services... also... we could snoop around and see if someone who works for the private plane hires knows.... if the dog was with Jonah when he flew back to Scottsdale?

Well, they can't kill us for asking.
Wonder if we contacted the lawyer for Rebecca's family and ask if she or they could inquire about Ocean? Paving the way by saying we are also wanting the case re-investigated. Ya think?

Mrs. Holmes

10-02-2011, 07:13 PM

Well, they can't kill us for asking.
Wonder if we contacted the lawyer for Rebecca's family and ask if she or they could inquire about Ocean? Paving the way by saying we are also wanting the case re-investigated. Ya think?
Well, it won't be a top priority.... I would try to get a reporter interested in the answer and let them find out.

Callie

10-02-2011, 10:46 PM

Well, it won't be a top priority.... I would try to get a reporter interested in the answer and let them find out.

Probably not. A reporter sounds like a good idea. Hmmmm yeah, it sure does.
I'll check it out.

You know, I was just wondering if Rebecca was fearful for Ocean and wanted him out of the house so no harm would come to him? Or maybe someone said, "Get that damn dog out of here" She seemed desperate to have the dog kennel take him. Even had the guy take him to get his shots so they could board him.

greenpalm

10-03-2011, 04:46 AM

Callie

10-03-2011, 08:05 AM

I 've wondered why she arranged to have him boarded in the first place. Perhaps she planned to hold vigil at Maxie's side at the hospital - before she was told she wasn't welcome. Most dogs don't like to be home alone for hours, some can be destructive, especially young ones. They want companionship.

That could be. And also why she sent XZ back home so soon too. However, it's been said that there was friction between her and Dina so I can't see her thinking she was going to be hanging (no pun intended) out with Jonah at the hospital.
XZ had just arrived the day before Max's accident and the plan was for her to stay 2 weeks. It just seemed to me she got both of them out of there in case some $hit came down. Or like I said, maybe she was told to get them out of there.
Yeah, they can be destructive lil' stinkers. They do that because they are suffering from separation anxiety. At least, that's what the experts say.

IWannaKnow

10-03-2011, 10:32 AM

Thank you for starting this thread Callie. I too have been wondering where Ocean is and how he is doing. I believe he played an integral part in Max's fall, so here is some information about Weimaraners all color and BBM:

Weimaraner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Weight

Male 32–37 kg (71–82 lb)

Female 25–32 kg (55–71 lb)

Height

Male 63–68 cm (25–27 in)

Female 58–63 cm (23–25 in)

Temperment
From adolescence, a Weimaraner requires extensive exercise in keeping with an energetic hunting dog breed prized for their physical endurance and stamina. No walk is too far, and they will appreciate games and play in addition. An active owner is more likely to provide the vigorous exercising, games, or running that this breed absolutely requires. Weimaraners are high-strung and often wear out their owners, requiring appropriate training to learn how to calm them and to help them learn to control their behavior. Owners need patience and consistent, firm yet kind training, as this breed is particularly rambunctious during the first year and a half of its life. This breed is known for having a penchant for stealing food from table and counter tops whenever given the chance. Like many breeds, untrained and unconfined young dogs often create their own fun when left alone, such as chewing house quarters and furniture. Thus, many that are abandoned have behavioural issues as a result of isolation and inferior exercise.

Weimaraners are generally good with children, but may not be appropriate for smaller children due to their tendency to knock a child down in the course of play. They also may knock over elderly people or children by accident. Early training to sit through positive reinforcement is critical to prevent jumping in the future.

It should never be forgotten that the Weimaraner is a hunting dog and therefore has a strong, instinctive prey drive. Weimaraners will sometimes tolerate cats, as long as they are introduced to the cats as puppies, but many will chase and frequently kill almost any small animal that enters their garden or backyard. In rural areas, most Weimaraners will not hesitate to chase deer or sheep.

This breed of dog tends to be very stubborn. However, with good training, these instincts can be curtailed to some degree. A properly trained Weimaraner is a companion that will never leave its master's side. The Weimaraner has been given the nickname "Velcro Dog", as when once acclimated to its owner, sticks to its owner at all times. Many Weimaraners tend to lean on their owner when sitting or standing, and most will insist on sleeping on their owner's bed unless trained otherwise.

Behavior Disorders
Since they were bred to be true members of a family, some Weimaraners suffer from severe separation anxiety. Manifestations of this behavior disorder include panicked efforts to rejoin the owner when separation occurs, excessive drooling, destructive behaviors, associated injuries such as broken teeth or cut lips and barking loudly. Most just wait on the couch or by the window for their owner to come back home. Behavior modification training and medications may reduce the severity of symptoms associated with this disorder in some Weimaraners. However, the breed is generally resistant to such treatment and behavior modification training efforts. As individuals of the breed age the severity of separation anxiety symptoms decreases somewhat, but does not completely abate. More common, lighter manifestations of separation anxiety include wailing, which mimics a high pitched crying tone. This is more pronounced when the Weim's owner has just left or is audibly returning home. If properly socialized young, the tendency for separation anxiety may be reduced.

Weimaraners can be very destructive in the absence of their owners or in the attempts to gain the attention of their owners. Weimaraners frequently consume socks, tissues, cardboard, and any other item left within reach. Weimaraners will also chew on your favorite piece of furniture if left unsupervised. For the dog's safety, it is best to keep all small items out of reach and crating is recommended as a puppy.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm
Weimaraners absolutely crave leadership. They want to know what is expected of them and for how long. If this is not made consistently clear in their head they will not be stable minded, may be stressed, possibly developing separation anxiety, becoming destructive and restless. Owners should not be harsh, but calm with a natural air of authority to their demeanor. These things are instinctually essential to having a happy, behaved, balanced dog. Give your Weim plenty of extensive exercise, or he will become very restless and over excited. Because this breed is so full of energy, the first thing they need to learn is sit. This will help prevent jumping, as they are strong dogs and will knock over elderly or children by accident.

http://www.weimclubamerica.org/weimaraners/rightforyou.html
This is a breed that needs obedience training to control his rambunctious nature. Owners should have a crate for the new puppy for help in housetraining and to protect furniture and woodwork from puppy teeth when the little rascal cannot be watched. Puppy classes or control exercises at home are essential for the Weimaraner the moment he enters the family. He must be taught all members of the family are to be obeyed. Training methods must be gentle and firm, for harsh treatment will sour his attitude.

http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/Weimaraner
Weimaraners have the tendency to rule the household if they are not trained properly. A strong-willed owner—with the time and ability to train, socialize and play—is almost essential. As with most dogs, neglect or poor treatment of a Weim can lead to destructive behavior that could include property damage, excessive barking and soiled carpets.

Very gentle and kind, Weimaraners can inadvertently knock things (and people) over. For this reason, they are probably not the best apartment dwellers. Make sure they get plenty of exercise and (if possible) a yard to play in.

Ocean was 14 months old. Still very much a puppy. Rebecca looked like a very sweet, loving woman and by all accounts that is exactly what she was. She didn't really strike me as a good, strong "pack leader" as Cesar Milan would say. Ocean was routinely referred to as "Rebecca's dog" early on in this case, which leads me to believe that she was entirely responsible for him. Without a strong leader I think Ocean would have begun to exhibit unwanted behaviors like jumping. If they really had a party the previous weekend he might not have gotten as much exercise as he needed that weekend and was extra rambunctious that Monday morning. Maybe he thought Max was leaving too since GS and ES had already left.....IDK. I'm just convinced that Ocean played some part in this tragedy.

KariKae

10-03-2011, 10:50 AM

Is it possible JS told Rebeccah to leave much earlier than we suspect? RZ knew she was going to have to find a place to stay. That would be why Ocean and the sister had to leave immediately.

lauriej

10-03-2011, 01:49 PM

..this is what the owner of the kennel had to say to JVM..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/19/ijvm.01.html

---snipped---

VELEZ-MITCHELL:Ted Greenberg, we`re delighted to have you on tonight. You`re the owner of Camp Diggity Dog, and you saw Rebecca on the day she died?

TED GREENBERG, OWNER, CAMP DIGGITY DOG: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us -- tell us everything. Tell us what you know.

GREENBERG: Sure. Rebecca called Camp Diggity Dog on Monday to tell us that she needed her dog picked up from her home and boarded at Camp Diggity Dog for a few days. She told us that her child had been in a horrible accident and that she needed to get to the hospital.

So I spoke to her about five times, actually, on Monday. And we needed to get some vaccinations for her dog before we could board her dog. So on Tuesday morning I was preparing to come get her dog when she called me at about 8:15 in the morning to ask if I could come over at that point. I headed over to Coronado. I got there around 8:45 in the morning. Spent about 15 minutes with her.

She took me upstairs in the mansion. We filled out some paperwork. She had to get a different computer to attach to the printer. Took me downstairs to get the dog food. Inquired about the dog food and what we needed. Told me a little bit about the mansion and how she lived there in the summertime and had somebody else stay in the guest house over the winter.

----later on in the transcript he talks about his conversation with jonah..

time

10-03-2011, 02:00 PM

..this is what the owner of the kennel had to say to JVM..

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/19/ijvm.01.html

....
----later on in the transcript he talks about his conversation with jonah..

Interesting relaying his conversation with Jonah

"And that the dogs had been part of the child`s life for a short time. "

Callie

10-03-2011, 08:03 PM

Thank you for starting this thread Callie. I too have been wondering where Ocean is and how he is doing. I believe he played an integral part in Max's fall, so here is some information about Weimaraners all color and BBM:

Weimaraner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimaraner)

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm

http://www.weimclubamerica.org/weimaraners/rightforyou.html

http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/Weimaraner

Ocean was 14 months old. Still very much a puppy. Rebecca looked like a very sweet, loving woman and by all accounts that is exactly what she was. She didn't really strike me as a good, strong "pack leader" as Cesar Milan would say. Ocean was routinely referred to as "Rebecca's dog" early on in this case, which leads me to believe that she was entirely responsible for him. Without a strong leader I think Ocean would have begun to exhibit unwanted behaviors like jumping. If they really had a party the previous weekend he might not have gotten as much exercise as he needed that weekend and was extra rambunctious that Monday morning. Maybe he thought Max was leaving too since GS and ES had already left.....IDK. I'm just convinced that Ocean played some part in this tragedy.

Thanks for the info and links, IWannaKnow. I still can't picture any scenario
where Ocean might have caused Max to fall the way he did. Max tripping over him or him knocking Max down. JMO

Callie

10-03-2011, 08:10 PM

Is it possible JS told Rebeccah to leave much earlier than we suspect? RZ knew she was going to have to find a place to stay. That would be why Ocean and the sister had to leave immediately.

Hi KariKae

So some of you suspect that JS told her to leave? Could very well be. That's really not fair to treat Rebecca that way. If blame has to be hung on someone maybe we could say that if Jonah had taken Max to the zoo as he said he'd planned to do instead of running off to the gym, then the accident would never have happened.

SunnieRN

10-03-2011, 08:21 PM

Thank you for starting this thread Callie. I too have been wondering where Ocean is and how he is doing. I believe he played an integral part in Max's fall, so here is some information about Weimaraners all color and BBM:

Weimaraner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimaraner)

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm

http://www.weimclubamerica.org/weimaraners/rightforyou.html

http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/Weimaraner

Ocean was 14 months old. Still very much a puppy. Rebecca looked like a very sweet, loving woman and by all accounts that is exactly what she was. She didn't really strike me as a good, strong "pack leader" as Cesar Milan would say. Ocean was routinely referred to as "Rebecca's dog" early on in this case, which leads me to believe that she was entirely responsible for him. Without a strong leader I think Ocean would have begun to exhibit unwanted behaviors like jumping. If they really had a party the previous weekend he might not have gotten as much exercise as he needed that weekend and was extra rambunctious that Monday morning. Maybe he thought Max was leaving too since GS and ES had already left.....IDK. I'm just convinced that Ocean played some part in this tragedy.

Wow!!! I thought my daughters goldendoodle was a handful!! And talk about wailing and separation anxiety!!! I do not think I would be able to handle this breed what so ever! This baby would require a lot of time and patience!!

It is surprising how well a mild tempered person can be a pack leader. My grandmother was about the size of Rebecca, well thinner actually, but my grandfather, who raised hunting dogs, always had my mild tempered, quiet Grandma help him with the troublesome dogs. It was truly amazing to see!!

I would not doubt that Ocean could have been involved in Max's accident. I also think it possible that Ocean was down by Rebecca's side, since it sounds like this is a strong trait of the breed.:waitasec:

Callie

10-03-2011, 08:54 PM

Hi lauriej and time,

Thanks for the link, lauriej. Here's some more from there:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...9/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she was trying to arrange you taking the dog so she could go to the hospital, but she never ended up going to the hospital. Tell me what you said you found very strange about that.

GREENBERG: Well, like you said, she made it clear that she wanted the dog out and be -- be boarded by Camp Diggity Dogs so that she could go to the hospital to be with her son, but as it turns out, like you said, she was at home. So what was the purpose of getting the dog out of the house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that wasn`t her son. That was the son of her boyfriend, the pharmaceutical mogul who...

GREENBERG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Now, he apparently picked up the dog later, and you spoke to him, Jonah, on the phone?

GREENBERG: Right. Jonah actually did not pick up the dog himself, but he had somebody pick him up. Jonah called me on Saturday morning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did he say? Tell me about that.

GREENBERG: He was in tears. Really, really upset but also really thankful, thankful that we had helped -- helped him out. But just wanted to have somebody come and get the dog. And I wanted to make sure that it was Jonah, indeed, on the phone picking up the dogs. So we spoke for about two or three minutes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you spoke to Jonah the day before she was found? The child falls down the stairs on Monday. Right?

GREENBERG: No, no.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On Tuesday...

GREENBERG: No, I`m sorry. I spoke to Jonah the following Saturday. After his girlfriend had passed away.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And after his...

GREENBERG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And after his girlfriend had passed away.

GREENBERG: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So his son and his girlfriend passed away, and he called you to get his girlfriend`s dog, which I can understand.

GREENBERG: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m an animal lover. People care for their animals in crisis, in types of pain and suffering. What do you think that says about him? I mean, to me, that -- it`s very interesting that he did that.

GREENBERG: Yes. I mean, I guess he was really upset. His girlfriend had just passed away, his child probably had passed away at that point and, you know, I guess his dog was one thing he was thinking about. So I guess it says a little bit about how people feel about their dogs. But I felt horrible for him. And...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What did he say to you?

GREENBERG: Wasn`t a lot -- he just said that he wanted to have a friend or associate of his pick up the dog. And I asked him for Rebecca`s phone number just to be sure that it was him. I asked him how he was, and he said he was doing terribly, but he thanked us for what we had done. And that the dogs had been part of the child`s life for a short time. And that was about it. [SNIP]

VELEZ-MITCHELL:
Now, Casey Jordan, we just heard from Ted Greenberg who is the owner of Camp Diggity Dogs (ph). He saw the victim the day she died. And says she was upset but she wanted to board her dog because she was going to the hospital to see Jonah`s son and she was all broken up that, obviously, he was very ill and he would ultimately die.

But she doesn`t go to the hospital. She remains apparently, or is found at the mansion two days later, swinging from that balcony by a rope, her hands tied behind her back.

And then this gentleman from Camp Diggity Dogs says that this past weekend, he gets a call from Jonah, the pharmaceutical mogul to pick up the dog. And he`s also grief stricken. What do you make of it?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: There`s a bunch of different scenarios that you can come up with and they`re all speculation. But keep in mind that Rebecca had apparently quit her job so she could actually spend more time being with Max. Keep in mind, this is not her son. This is the son of Jonah and his ex-wife Dina. And apparently that was the divorce, it was very acrimonious. And there`s all these allegations of domestic abuse and their breakup and that sort of thing.
I can envision that perhaps she planned on going to the hospital but maybe Max`s mother was there and did not want Rebecca around. So it may be absolutely an innocuous explanation of why she did not go to the hospital. Perhaps she wasn`t welcome there at this time of crisis.

But the bottom line is -- Callie: What! What's the bottom line? :maddening:

(CROSSTALK) Callie: Dang it! I hate when they do that! :rage:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But what about the woman? He says as he`s leave, he sees a woman approaching -- another woman.

JORDAN: I mean that`s juicy. We have no idea what that is. But of course, I`m sure he`s told all of these details to the police and they`re looking into it.

I guarantee you the police know way more than we know at this point and I can also assure you the details will come out eventually.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

JORDAN: This is fascinating. But I`ve got to tell you, the suicide scenario, very slim to none.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I`ve doubts about the accident, about suicide, I have doubts about everything but I don`t know anything. [SNIP]

Greenberg got to the house about 8;45? He's there for about 15 minutes. So who was the woman. What time did Dina leave the hospital that morning to go home to get some sleep?

Callie

10-03-2011, 08:58 PM

Wow!!! I thought my daughters goldendoodle was a handful!! And talk about wailing and separation anxiety!!! I do not think I would be able to handle this breed what so ever! This baby would require a lot of time and patience!!

It is surprising how well a mild tempered person can be a pack leader. My grandmother was about the size of Rebecca, well thinner actually, but my grandfather, who raised hunting dogs, always had my mild tempered, quiet Grandma help him with the troublesome dogs. It was truly amazing to see!!

I would not doubt that Ocean could have been involved in Max's accident. I also think it possible that Ocean was down by Rebecca's side, since it sounds like this is a strong trait of the breed.:waitasec:

Hi SunnieRN.
I think I read that when the first officer arrived Ocean was on the landing between the 1st and 2nd floor.:waitasec:

Callie

10-03-2011, 09:03 PM

Interesting relaying his conversation with Jonah

"And that the dogs had been part of the child`s life for a short time. "

So Ocean would be some sort of keepsake? Hmmmmm.... I wonder if Dina would feel the same?

Schmerty_Jones

10-03-2011, 10:07 PM

Maybe ,Ocean will be made to suffer the same fate as the human who caused the Mogul any moment of distress.

Morag

10-03-2011, 10:39 PM

Hi lauriej and time,

Thanks for the link, lauriej. Here's some more from there:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...9/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But what about the woman? He says as he`s leave, he sees a woman approaching -- another woman.

JORDAN: I mean that`s juicy. We have no idea what that is. But of course, I`m sure he`s told all of these details to the police and they`re looking into it.

I guarantee you the police know way more than we know at this point and I can also assure you the details will come out eventually.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

JORDAN: This is fascinating. But I`ve got to tell you, the suicide scenario, very slim to none.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I`ve doubts about the accident, about suicide, I have doubts about everything but I don`t know anything. [SNIP]

Greenberg got to the house about 8;45? He's there for about 15 minutes. So who was the woman. What time did Dina leave the hospital that morning to go home to get some sleep?

There was a call to Rebecca from 858-380-xxxx at 819am 7/11, indicated as
SNDG LVTA CA. I'm assuming that may be LE. Maybe Rebecca didn't want Ocean there when LE arrived. Maybe the woman arriving when dog guy was leaving was a cop?

Callie

10-04-2011, 12:13 AM

Maybe ,Ocean will be made to suffer the same fate as the human who caused the Mogul any moment of distress.

Hi, Could you elaborate a little more? Who's the human you're referring to?

lauriej

10-04-2011, 04:31 AM

deanna82437

10-04-2011, 10:47 AM

There was a call to Rebecca from 858-380-xxxx at 819am 7/11, indicated as
SNDG LVTA CA. I'm assuming that may be LE. Maybe Rebecca didn't want Ocean there when LE arrived. Maybe the woman arriving when dog guy was leaving was a cop?

The call was actually on 7/12 as shown on the billing and was on the day the kennel guy came to pick up Ocean. It was an outgoing call to the kennel as shown on tvscum's telephone # key. The SNDGLVTA CA you refer to is actually a call rate center.

Morag

10-04-2011, 01:51 PM

The call was actually on 7/12 as shown on the billing and was on the day the kennel guy came to pick up Ocean. It was an outgoing call to the kennel as shown on tvscum's telephone # key. The SNDGLVTA CA you refer to is actually a call rate center.

Well, dayum, that's the last time I PWC!

(post while cooking)

Jade

10-04-2011, 04:43 PM

Hi SunnieRN.
I think I read that when the first officer arrived Ocean was on the landing between the 1st and 2nd floor.:waitasec:

In one of the pictures of the landing there is a rug that looks like maybe it is Ocean’s.

I was wondering, and now here even the dog is being thrown under the bus by me, that if Ocean [is he altered?] was on the landing and Max wanting to get by him without being jumped on or something would try a leap to the other side.

imo

Callie

10-04-2011, 11:02 PM

The call was actually on 7/12 as shown on the billing and was on the day the kennel guy came to pick up Ocean. It was an outgoing call to the kennel as shown on tvscum's telephone # key. The SNDGLVTA CA you refer to is actually a call rate center.

Hi deanna I looked up SNDGLVTA CA too last night and you're right it is a call rate center. I was just too tired to post it. Thanks.

Callie

10-04-2011, 11:12 PM

In one of the pictures of the landing there is a rug that looks like maybe it is Ocean’s.

I was wondering, and now here even the dog is being thrown under the bus by me, that if Ocean [is he altered?] was on the landing and Max wanting to get by him without being jumped on or something would try a leap to the other side.

imo

Hi Jade, Don't know if Ocean was neutered. As far as Max leaping over him I think it would take more than that to sustain the injuries Max had. There had to be a lot of force behind that fall. IMO

Callie

10-06-2011, 10:22 PM

Dina left the hospital at 6AM on July 12. So it could have been Dina that Greenberg saw approaching.

oceanblueeyes

10-06-2011, 10:41 PM

I 've wondered why she arranged to have him boarded in the first place. Perhaps she planned to hold vigil at Maxie's side at the hospital - before she was told she wasn't welcome. Most dogs don't like to be home alone for hours, some can be destructive, especially young ones. They want companionship.

Maybe she planned to kill herself all along and didn't know when Jonah would be returning to the mansion since he had been staying either at the hospital or RM house.

Distancing oneself from things they care about is a red flag for those contemplating suicide.

It was said that Maxie loved Ocean so I feel Jonah sent the PI to get the dog that his son loved and is thankful that he has Ocean who probably gives him good memories of Maxie and Ocean playing together.

IMO

Callie

10-07-2011, 03:33 AM

Maybe she planned to kill herself all along and didn't know when Jonah would be returning to the mansion since he had been staying either at the hospital or RM house.

Distancing oneself from things they care about is a red flag for those contemplating suicide.

It was said that Maxie loved Ocean so I feel Jonah sent the PI to get the dog that his son loved and is thankful that he has Ocean who probably gives him good memories of Maxie and Ocean playing together.

IMO

Hi oceanblueeyes, I sure hope you're right about and that Jonah will take good care of Ocean. Jonah is now basically all alone, except for when his other kids visit

jjenny

10-07-2011, 08:54 AM

Maybe she planned to kill herself all along and didn't know when Jonah would be returning to the mansion since he had been staying either at the hospital or RM house.

Distancing oneself from things they care about is a red flag for those contemplating suicide.

It was said that Maxie loved Ocean so I feel Jonah sent the PI to get the dog that his son loved and is thankful that he has Ocean who probably gives him good memories of Maxie and Ocean playing together.

IMO

Even police don't allege that she "planned to kill herself all along."

oceanblueeyes

10-07-2011, 09:24 AM

Even police don't allege that she "planned to kill herself all along."

Of course they dont. They have no idea when the suicidal ideation began to form.

IMO

Callie

10-11-2011, 04:49 PM

UPDATE

I found this post on the Coronado Patch. It's about the 65th or 66th post down the page.

Here is the link:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/today-show-features-zahau-case
(http://coronado.patch.com/articles/today-show-features-zahau-case)

Kathleen Mckenna

10:08am on Friday, September 30, 2011

Hi Karlie, that darn message! I think (because people go back and forth on this with me) that it was She saved him can he save her. As for the dogs, I have received a plethora of awful reports from good sources about Dina's little dogs being badly hurt by you know who, and that in one incident that sweet little boy viewed an incident which upset him terribly (because what child would NOT be upset?) Also no one has seen Rebecca's dog recently and given these terrible stories I have to wonder, so I'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst. It takes a very special kind of person to hurt women, children and dogs, very special. If you can do ugly things to the most vulnerable you are capable of anything. And if there is anyone who is giving him credit for work with autistic children save your applause, that was Dina's idea and her work, so moving on.

This is awful if it's all true. Got to find out.

sdcali

10-12-2011, 03:35 PM

If Ocean were Rebecca's dog, then why would JS be able to claim it and take it? If the Zahaus wanted him, they should have the right to get him back. That request would at least bring the dog and his well being out in the open.

Schmerty_Jones

10-12-2011, 06:22 PM

Hi, Could you elaborate a little more? Who's the human you're referring to?

Judging by the reaction to Max's terrible accident , with suggestions of him being smothered, I get the distinct impression that RZs "suicide" or murder was in direct retaliation for MS's death. JMO from reading here & from Valhall's and other blogs.

Callie

10-13-2011, 06:00 AM

Hi Schmerty_Jones, Thanks for getting back with me about that. And I tend to agree with you. Everything, in one way or the other, IMO, hinges on Max's accident. If there is a re-investigation, it needs to start, not with the alleged suicide of Rebecca, but with Max's accident and how that actually occurred.

dasqm

10-13-2011, 07:36 AM

Maybe she planned to kill herself all along and didn't know when Jonah would be returning to the mansion since he had been staying either at the hospital or RM house.
IMO
Or, perhaps, she was asked to put Ocean in a kennel. There was a history of domestic abuse instances in JS marriage to DS. If I recall correctly, JS's dog intervened on JS behalf more than once leaving traces of bites and scratches on Dina's body. Dina documented her injuries caused by JS's dog with pictures as evidence.
IMO, if someone intended to murder RZ, it would prudent not to have a rambunctious puppy in the midst of an assault on RZ; particularly since it's been referenced that Ocean belonged to RZ. Afterall dogs are generally protective of their owners.
Remember Nicole Simpson's dog setting the time of her killing as the time when neighbors heard it barking incessantly. The last thing a murderer would need is to be covered with bite/scratch marks or/& to have the dog barking during the process of RZ's murder.

IWannaKnow

10-14-2011, 05:22 AM

Hi oceanblueeyes, I sure hope you're right about and that Jonah will take good care of Ocean. Jonah is now basically all alone, except for when his other kids visit

Don't forget HL! He came all the way from AZ when Max fell to support JS. AS too. JS isn't alone.....I'm sure HL has stepped up even more now that Rebecca is gone.

Callie

10-21-2011, 12:14 AM

Don't forget HL! He came all the way from AZ when Max fell to support JS. AS too. JS isn't alone.....I'm sure HL has stepped up even more now that Rebecca is gone.

Hi IWannaKnow, I meant like a partner, someone to share his home with. HL is married and has pretty much his own life.

4Jacy

10-22-2011, 04:12 PM

Don't forget HL! He came all the way from AZ when Max fell to support JS. AS too. JS isn't alone.....I'm sure HL has stepped up even more now that Rebecca is gone.

Oh, I'm pretty sure of that. They are such good friends!

SunnieRN

10-29-2011, 05:52 PM

Jonah also has a brother, that he is close enough to that he asked him to come to San Diego after Max's accident and who felt compelled to lie to his landlord about his intentions and where he would be.

He has two ex-wives that he can turn to for someone to talk to. In fact one of his ex-wives lives near him in AZ.

He has his father, cousins, friends and business partners.

Shame that he didn't try to reach out to Rebecca's family, as I am sure they would have supported him through his loss of Rebecca.