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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-05-2011, 05:30 AM
Please continue here.

An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of Wednesday, no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

http://ozarksfirst.com/images/Multi_Media/ozarksfirst/nxd_media/img/jpg/2011_10/cafe75b3-8803-fa74-d922-c4521d9bb69d/220x165.jpg

Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.

Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.


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JeannieC
10-05-2011, 05:50 AM
Missing Missouri Baby: Amber Alert Cancelled as Search ContinuesPolice have cancelled an Amber Alert for a missing 10-month-old infant believed to have been abducted from her crib in Kansas City, Mo., though the investigation and search for her continues.

Over 100 Kansas City police officers and FBI agents are searching for Lisa Irwin, the missing infant who was last seen at 10:30 p.m. on Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home. The massive search has also included canines, mounted patrol, a fugitive unit, and a narcotics and vice unit. Police issued the alert for Lisa Irwin early Tuesday morning.

At 7:30 p.m. Tuesday police pulled the Amber Alert, which is meant to immediately inform the public of a missing minor who is believed to be at risk of serious injury or death.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008

SilkySifaka
10-05-2011, 06:39 AM
I think I understand why they cancelled it (considering there is no vehicle or suspect description it was a surprise it stayed at all) but I wish they hadn't as the public may mistakenly think she has been found :(

JeannieC
10-05-2011, 06:46 AM
This is so terrible. I hope and pray they find her alive and well today.

davehead21
10-05-2011, 07:24 AM
I was so hoping to wake up to good news about baby Lisa. :(

waltzingmatilda
10-05-2011, 07:25 AM
Today show will cover Lisa's case in a few minutes. Will post a link once it is on their site.

Prayers this sweet baby is found safe and sound.

wm

ETA Here's a link. No video yet but the lady who's hubby saw the man carrying a baby around midnight was interviewed.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44771585/ns/local_news-kansas_city_mo/t/amber-alert--month-old-girl-last-seen-crib/

lalalemon
10-05-2011, 07:26 AM
Please come home today baby Lisa! My heart goes out to her poor parents, they must be so terrified right now, and to her two older brothers who i'm sure love her dearly and being so young won't understand what is going on!

I know it's still very early in Ohio, hopefully we'll have some new news on beautiful little Lisa soon!

TobyWong*
10-05-2011, 07:44 AM
Ugh Totally was hoping for good news this morning. K well I'm stuck on Lisa so I'll be here most of the day:-(

IMO Baby was not taken out through that window. Just the vibe I'm getting. no other reason.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 07:52 AM
Hi everyone, thanks for the new thread.


Don't forget Good Morning America is supposed to cover Lisa this morning sometime.




NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#%21/NBCActionNews) NBC Action News



VIDEO: Looking for #LisaIrwin (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23LisaIrwin): National media flock to Kansas City to cover search for missing girl pub.vitrue.com/NN7 (http://t.co/1sTXCVgW)

luckyme
10-05-2011, 07:53 AM
On good morning america they had a segment. First i had heard of baby lisa. so strange. I hope they find her well. They have no leads. :banghead:

Gardenlady
10-05-2011, 07:56 AM
Like everyone else, was hoping for good news this morning. :( Poor little one needs to be with her mommy and daddy.

Hoping for good news soon. Any word on pressers scheduled for today yet?

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 07:56 AM
This is the newest article I could find:

snipped:


Kansas City police say a lack of any substantial clues is frustrating the search for a 10-month-old girl who disappeared from her crib as she slept.

Police spokesman Darin Snapp says detectives were meeting early Wednesday to determine the next step in the investigation.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kansas-city-police-hunt-clues-missing-baby-14670918

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 07:57 AM
Like everyone else, was hoping for good news this morning. :( Poor little one needs to be with her mommy and daddy.

Hoping for good news soon. Any word on pressers scheduled for today yet?


Not that I've found. I bet after they have that morning meeting they will let media know when they will. They were really good about it yesterday.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:01 AM
NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#%21/NBCActionNews) NBC Action News



All of our coverage on the disappearance of #LisaIrwin (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23LisaIrwin) in one place: pub.vitrue.com/BUx (http://t.co/tF0fqAgq)


The above link is really good for those wanting to catch up on yesterday.

Gardenlady
10-05-2011, 08:01 AM
Not that I've found. I bet after they have that morning meeting they will let media know when they will. They were really good about it yesterday.

They HAVE been very good with pressers and info, haven't they? I'm quite impressed with this group of LE in KC. Excellent use of media, and even the media themselves have been great, I love when the media outlets use live blogging on the web for up to the minute updates. Wish more places/outlets used these things to advantage when someone goes missing!

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 08:03 AM
Police say the parents are staying with relatives after being interviewed until 10:30 p.m. Tuesday. Spokesman Steve Young says the questioning did not lead to any solid clues about possible suspects.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kansas-city-police-hunt-clues-missing-baby-14670918

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:03 AM
Here's the timeline again. Please feel free to correct and update.


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:12 AM
Another new article out of Tulsa.

http://www.ktul.com/story/15620561/kansas-city-police-hunt-for-clues-on-missing-baby?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


snipped:

Police say the parents are staying with relatives after being interviewed until 10:30 p.m. Tuesday. Spokesman Steve Young says the questioning did not lead to any solid clues about possible suspects.



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I can't imagine how they are feeling. I know they didn't have a moments peace and are frantic.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:14 AM
http://g.co/maps/nufud

case map
(click on blue pushpins.. you can also zoom in and out)

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:16 AM
On Tuesday, police interviewed both parents, and on Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home.


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:17 AM
http://g.co/maps/nufud

case map
(click on blue pushpins.. you can also zoom in and out)

Great job on the map. Very useful.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:25 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008

here is GMA link... sorry if already posted

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 08:25 AM
Shelby1: Here's the timeline again. Please feel free to correct and update.


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

Tuesday 10:30 p.m.

Police say the parents are staying with relatives after being interviewed until 10:30 p.m. Tuesday. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kansas-city-police-hunt-clues-missing-baby-14670918

Tuesday night ? time:

On Tuesday, police interviewed both parents, and on Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:32 AM
It's been more than 24 hours since the parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin has reported her missing.

Police are meeting this morning to plan their next steps in the search for the missing Northland infant.

The parents, who have been cooperative with police, were downtown at police headquarters answering questions until about 10:30 p.m Tuesday, said Capt. Steve Young, a police spokesman.

A press briefing updating the status of the search is planned for 9 a.m. today.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3188249/second-day-of-searching-starts.html#ixzz1ZuWxDYBj

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eta another snip:


There was no information as to whether the child’s room included an operative baby monitor, said Sgt. Stacey Graves, a Kansas City police spokeswoman.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3188249/second-day-of-searching-starts.html#ixzz1ZuXO58wZ

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:35 AM
Updated timeline as of 7:30 a.m. central time:


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:36 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/looking-for-lisa-national-media-flock-to-kansas-city-to-cover-search-for-missing-girl

video

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:37 AM
Not pointing any blame or fault, but I'm not sure I'd want to stay at a relatives house...I think I'd want to stay at my own house...just in case.

cocomod
10-05-2011, 08:39 AM
I wonder if they ever hire a babysitter to watch the kids while they went out for a date?

I was so hoping for good news this morning. Praying for Baby Lisa this morning. Perhaps today she will be found!

peeples
10-05-2011, 08:40 AM
talking about Lisa on the Today show right now

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 08:43 AM
Not pointing any blame or fault, but I'm not sure I'd want to stay at a relatives house...I think I'd want to stay at my own house...just in case.

I suppose it is possible that LE doesn't want them there for whatever reason.

peeples
10-05-2011, 08:43 AM
Nothing new except saying at the end there is a chance the parents will return home today in order to put out a public plea for Lisa's return

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:47 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/

today show video is on front page of this link

Mojen
10-05-2011, 08:48 AM
Our local ABC channel, www.thekansascitychannel.com, is doing a fabulous job at covering this case. They are the only channel that still has Lisa's information running continuously at the bottom of the screen.

Local people, I am South of the river and am not familiar with the specific area. Is their home in North Kansas City or Kansas City North?

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:48 AM
Young said the search for Lisa would continue Wednesday, although it would be scaled back somewhat.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29392699/detail.html#ixzz1ZuazpCcf

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In da Middle
10-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Our local ABC channel, www.thekansascitychannel.com (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com), is doing a fabulous job at covering this case. They are the only channel that still has Lisa's information running continuously at the bottom of the screen.

Local people, I am South of the river and am not familiar with the specific area. Is their home in North Kansas City or Kansas City North?


Kansas City North near Worlds of Fun.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:50 AM
Our local ABC channel, www.thekansascitychannel.com, is doing a fabulous job at covering this case. They are the only channel that still has Lisa's information running continuously at the bottom of the screen.

Local people, I am South of the river and am not familiar with the specific area. Is their home in North Kansas City or Kansas City North?

http://g.co/maps/zm7k8
here is the map

In da Middle
10-05-2011, 08:51 AM
Upon looking at Casenet https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

at least one of the boys could possibly be his. He has a paternity case that disputed child placement around the time I noticed the boys around. Dunno, just a definite possibility.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 08:52 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin

They will show the 9:00 a.m. update above online.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 08:52 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15617168/platte-county

every RSO in Platte county got a knock on their door yesterday

BeanE
10-05-2011, 09:01 AM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News

Police announce 9AM update on #LisaIrwin case.

We'll carry it live on air and online. Updates here: pub.vitrue.com/dBI

13 minutes ago

Clickable link to that page:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin

Mojen
10-05-2011, 09:02 AM
Thanks, you guys. They are so close to 210 and 435. Yikes.

Re: the guy spotted carrying the baby. If he was on the up and up, wouldn't you go to the police and say "hey, that was me."? There is no way you can live in the KCMO area and not know about this.

vasportsmom
10-05-2011, 09:05 AM
I was really hoping this little angel would be home by now. Her poor parents must be distraught. I still feel that this had to be someone that was somewhat familiar with the family, the home and the father's changing schedule otherwise it was the most brazen abductor I've heard of in a long time.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 09:07 AM
Police are currently meeting, and we're expecting a briefing from them at 9 a.m.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZufhQkdb

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BeanE
10-05-2011, 09:13 AM
These are my own tweets of all the news stories I found this morning for Lisa:

CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
Lisa Irwin - Authorities Continue Search for Missing Baby -
WDAF Fox 4 Kansas City >> bit.ly/pj4q4s
1 minute ago

Lisa Irwin - Day 2 of search starts for missing Northland infant -
Kansas City Star >> bit.ly/nytsUl
2 minutes ago

Lisa Irwin - Kansas City Police Hunt for Clues on Missing Baby -
ABC News >> abcn.ws/q8KjG3
3 minutes ago

Search For Baby Lisa Irwin Enters Second Day -
KMBC Kansas City >> bit.ly/pUuPHk
3 minutes ago

Lisa Irwin - Missing Missouri Baby: Amber Alert Cancelled as Search Continues -
Good Morning America ABC GMA >> abcn.ws/ozrqXl
4 minutes ago

Lisa Irwin - Police ruling nothing out in search for 10 month old baby Lisa Irwin -
NBCActionNews Kansas City >> bit.ly/r4aj7I
7 minutes ago

ETA: One more

Search For Baby Lisa Irwin Enters Second Day - Video -
KMBC Kansas City - Capt Steve Young Interview >> http://bit.ly/qiDda7

BeanE
10-05-2011, 09:18 AM
NBC Today Show piece from this morning - Video

TODAY: Frantic search for missing baby

http://on.today.com/qcbubI

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 09:20 AM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/9a35b009-eb36-4ff1-b7fa-31729f7adb5e_400.jpg

http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/b5519752-8abe-4f94-824c-a37a48215183_400.jpg

pictures from live blog

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

~n/t~
10-05-2011, 09:29 AM
This is so depressing. I was so hoping she would be found by now. Baby Aliayah also needs to be found.

:sigh:

illinialum
10-05-2011, 09:41 AM
This case continues to be all over KC radio stations. A talk show host on one station just mentioned that the possible midnight sighting has been discredited. I haven't seen this reported elsewhere, but wanted to include it.

headndownstream
10-05-2011, 09:45 AM
Can someone explain to me why they cancelled the amber alert?

SarahW
10-05-2011, 09:46 AM
Not pointing any blame or fault, but I'm not sure I'd want to stay at a relatives house...I think I'd want to stay at my own house...just in case.

They are a tight-knit family by "Facebook" appearances. The support would be welcome I think, especially for the young boys. Even More important, however, is getting out of the way of crime scene investigators. They've opened their home to them and will not be underfoot. Cooperation with LE is the last best hope of a happy ending, and if not that, justice.

SarahW
10-05-2011, 09:49 AM
This case continues to be all over KC radio stations. A talk show host on one station just mentioned that the possible midnight sighting has been discredited. I haven't seen this reported elsewhere, but wanted to include it.

I wonder what "discredited" means. Accounted for? (That is, explained away as legitimate baby/ item resembling a baby carrying?) Or does it mean something more negative, like, the (named) neighbor made it up?

Mojen
10-05-2011, 09:50 AM
This case continues to be all over KC radio stations. A talk show host on one station just mentioned that the possible midnight sighting has been discredited. I haven't seen this reported elsewhere, but wanted to include it.

Did they say how they discredited it?

SarahW
10-05-2011, 09:51 AM
I saw the cousin Mike's comments on KCTV 5, too. Trying to think what it could mean.

illinialum
10-05-2011, 09:54 AM
I wonder what "discredited" means. Accounted for? (That is, explained away as legitimate baby/ item resembling a baby carrying?) Or does it mean something more negative, like, the (named) neighbor made it up?

I'm not sure... that same host just mentioned the case again, but this time she didn't mention that witness at all. Hmmm.

illinialum
10-05-2011, 09:55 AM
Someone asked earlier if Lisa’s home is in North Kansas City or Kansas City North. The question was already answered (KCN), but to people not from KC, the difference between North Kansas City and Kansas City North might not be clear.

KC is a LARGE city: it's about 318 square feet.

"The Northland" or “Kansas City North” is generally considered any part of Kansas City, Mo., north of the river. It’s much more suburban-like than the rest of Kansas City. Due to annexations from long ago, there are a few other towns and cities INSIDE of Kansas City ....Think of a piece of swiss cheese and you have Kansas City. The City of North Kansas City, Mo., is a town inside Kansas City, Mo., immediately north of the river. North Kansas City is still south of “The Northland” part of Kansas City.

I thought this was so weird when I first moved to KC… when I first moved here, I lived about 20 minutes north of North Kansas City, Mo., but I was still in regular Kansas City, Mo.!

BeanE
10-05-2011, 09:55 AM
JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
.@NBCActionNews will be carrying the @kcpolice news conference LIVE at 9am for an update on the search for 10-month-old #lisairwin.
7 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/JiaoJiaoShen

BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
Police are about to brief us on the missing 10 mo. old #LisaIrwin in half an hour. We'll carry it live at 9.
23 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 09:56 AM
Can someone explain to me why they cancelled the amber alert?

I actually am not sure how they got one approved in the first place as they had no suspect or vehicle description?

Here are the MO requirements:


New Activation Process
To activate the AMBER Alert Plan in Missouri, law enforcement agencies must ensure the following criteria are met:


Law enforcement must confirm a child has been abducted.
The child must be age 17 years or younger.
Law enforcement must believe the child is in danger of serious bodily harm or death.
There is enough descriptive information about the child, abductor, and/or suspect's vehicle to believe an immediate broadcast alert will help.

http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/DDCC/AmberAlert/activationProcess.html

either way it certainly got the attention of the media and the public very quickly

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 09:58 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/category/215375/kctv5-livestream-mva2

livestream link

Mojen
10-05-2011, 09:59 AM
Can someone explain to me why they cancelled the amber alert?

They said it wasn't necessary any longer. It was issued to raise awareness early in the case.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Command post has been up and running all night. 30-40 detectives. Another 50 ready and on call. No good leads. Sent dogs in the woods and will do it again because they can and it is logical.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:02 AM
The only thing they know for sure is there should be a 10 m/o in the house and she is not there. They have talked to other family members.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:03 AM
People should do what they always do, be careful. Talking to Missing and Exploited children folks right now to see what the next steps should be.

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:03 AM
working with NCMEC
Family cooprated yesterday, they are free to do what they want, not in custody, if they don't want to talk to us, they don't have to

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:04 AM
UGH can't hear the questions.. just the answers

TxLady2
10-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Not pointing any blame or fault, but I'm not sure I'd want to stay at a relatives house...I think I'd want to stay at my own house...just in case.


Not being snarky, but in case of what? I doubt if a kidnapper would bring her back, and she sure isn't going to come back on her own, being that young.
Sorry... I know it was just an observation on your part, but maybe being close to her crib and toys and other belongings is too painful for them. Or it could be just protection for the other kids as well.

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:04 AM
dogs going through woods for 2nd and 3rd time, covering all doors, checking houses that didn't answer the door yesterday

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Have been doing "knocks and talks" in every area around the home. Going back again today to those houses with no answer yesterday.

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:05 AM
are parents considered suspects..

NO
are they ruled out..
No

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:06 AM
If you see something call tips hotline..

volunteer searchers would not help

worried about maintaining crime scene integrity is a worry with volunteers

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:06 AM
Manpower is adequate based on what they know. Do not want public searching, just call in tips to the hotline. No plans right now to shut down command center.

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:07 AM
still have leads coming in, no plans to shut down command center

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:09 AM
PC is over

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:09 AM
Not being snarky, but in case of what? I doubt if a kidnapper would bring her back, and she sure isn't going to come back on her own, being that young.
Sorry... I know it was just an observation on your part, but maybe being close to her crib and toys and other belongings is too painful for them. Or it could be just protection for the other kids as well.


Like I clearly said, I'm not judging...it's purely me. I'd want to be at the house. You just never know.

Gardenlady
10-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Not really any new info, but I'm still impressed with this group of LE. I think he was very honest, and at least we didn't have a ton of "no comment"s/"I can't comment in that" etc. Very forthcoming about the fact that they don't seem to have any real leads. :(

Interesting that he did say the dogs made no hits/gave them no information. :sigh:

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:12 AM
Did Captn. Young mention the time of the next press conference?

TxLady2
10-05-2011, 10:12 AM
Isn't 26-30 lbs. awfully big for a 10 month old baby? I know babies can vary a great deal in size but that's a whopper for a girl!

TxLady2
10-05-2011, 10:14 AM
Like I clearly said, I'm not judging...it's purely me. I'd want to be at the house. You just never know.

I understand, and I was not trying to be rude.
Could be LE wanted them out of the house for them to process it, search for any evidence, and also clear the parents. I didn't think of that at first, I'm not fully awake yet. Sorry.

peeples
10-05-2011, 10:16 AM
if someone had stolen my child out of my home, my other children would never spend another night there, and I wouldn't want my other children out of my sight either, therefore we'd all be staying together somewhere else... MOO

saba
10-05-2011, 10:17 AM
Isn't 26-30 lbs. awfully big for a 10 month old baby? I know babies can vary a great deal in size but that's a whopper for a girl!

yes! this would be large for both height -30 inches- and weight at 11 months and she is just 10 mos.

Gardenlady
10-05-2011, 10:18 AM
I think they say an average baby will roughly double their birth weight in 6 months, quadruple by 2? So say a baby is 7 lbs at birth, 14 by 6 mos, 28 by 2?

26 to 30 seems a bit big. Maybe a bit more like 22 to 24 lbs? She didn't look like a huge baby to me either. :waitasec:

oushkaboo
10-05-2011, 10:19 AM
Isn't 26-30 lbs. awfully big for a 10 month old baby? I know babies can vary a great deal in size but that's a whopper for a girl!

Not really, 26lbs/12kgs would be in the 99th centile for weight (for a female infant) but perfectly healthy and normal when combined with a high height/length centile.

edt to add: from the videos yesterday the parents are not petite, so this is also a consideration.

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 10:19 AM
I saw the cousin Mike's comments on KCTV 5, too. Trying to think what it could mean.

If he is telling the truth, what do you think he could be refering to??

illinialum
10-05-2011, 10:19 AM
I saw on a missing poster that Lisa was born on Nov. 10 last year, so she's almost 11 months. That's still rather large for someone her age!

iamnotagolem
10-05-2011, 10:22 AM
Does anyone have a link for the comment from "cousin Mike"?

30 lbs is huge for 10 months. My 2 & 3 y/o aren't 30 lbs. When this amber alert first popped up I thought it was suspicious, but since the parents are cooperating, I'm sure she's just a big baby.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 10:22 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20115908-504083.html

saba
10-05-2011, 10:23 AM
If he is telling the truth, what do you think he could be refering to??

Are you talking about the possibility of other items being taken from the house? Just askin. tia

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:23 AM
Did Captn. Young mention the time of the next press conference?


Quoting myself lol.

Did anyone hear when the next one is? My computer was freaking out.

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:24 AM
If he is telling the truth, what do you think he could be refering to??

I took it as stuff was missing from house along with baby. moo

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:26 AM
Does anyone have a link for the comment from "cousin Mike"?

30 lbs is huge for 10 months. My 2 & 3 y/o aren't 30 lbs. When this amber alert first popped up I thought it was suspicious, but since the parents are cooperating, I'm sure she's just a big baby.http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted

Gardenlady
10-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Quoting myself lol.

Did anyone hear when the next one is? My computer was freaking out.

I didn't hear him mention another one... Anyone else?

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Quoting myself lol.

Did anyone hear when the next one is? My computer was freaking out.


He didn't clarify. He said "this afternoon."

ETA:
We'll continue to post updates here all day long...we're waiting to hear when the next press briefing will be. Stay with us.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:09 AM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zuy1chZA

liz b.
10-05-2011, 10:29 AM
Wonder if anything unusual happened the day before she was taken ? Any visitors over at the house that day ? Any visitors at the house earlier in the evening ?

In da Middle
10-05-2011, 10:30 AM
I took it as stuff was missing from house along with baby. moo

That is the way I took it also. IF this is true, it just solidifies my thinking that the point of entry was not the window. Don't believe the window theory as it is, but as info comes out and thinking about logic I am becoming more convinced the window was not the way.

That house appears to have the old original wooden windows intact. These houses are 50 yrs old and the old wood windows are a PITA. Definitely not not going to be an easy task to manipulate with a baby in tow much less other stuff also.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:31 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted


So, maybe the abductor took a blanket or a toy?

BeanE
10-05-2011, 10:31 AM
Some random reporter/news station tweets:

NBCNews NBC News
Authorities at a loss to explain the disappearance of a 10-month old Kansas baby from her home. STORY/VIDEO: on.msnbc.com/mSgNW5
17 minutes ago

Jayhawk96 Jayhawk96
#KCMO police released both parents from questioning about 10:30 Tuesday night. Searched a car, van near home, found nothing. #fox4kc
4 hours ago

Jayhawk96 Jayhawk96
by CaseSignal
Public and reporters alike are growing restless at the lack of information or solid leads to find Lisa Irwin. Update LIVE on #fox4kc.
29 minutes ago

Jayhawk96 Jayhawk96
@AZEjayhawk Sure thing. We suspected they didn't have a better idea on weight since she wouldn't have had a 12-month check-up yet.
21 minutes ago

Jayhawk96 Jayhawk96
by CaseSignal@
@AZEjayhawk We asked that question yesterday. The family says the 26-30 pound weight range is accurate. Seemed big to us, too.
27 minutes ago

CNNLive CNN Live
Kansas City Police: 10-month-old Lisa Irwin still missing, no "hard" suspect information has been developed. Live: on.cnn.com/cnndcl4
27 minutes ago

JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
KCMO police: #lisairwin parents are being cooperative. Police say it would be beneficial for parents to talk publicly. @NBCActionNews
26 minutes ago

JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
KCMO police: 30 or 40 searching right now. 50 or so ready if needed. Covering neighborhood again, knocking on doors. @NBCActionNews
25 minutes ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
KCMO police: "Absolutely nothing to go on." #lisairwin @NBCActionNews "No plans to shut it down ."
23 minutes ago

NBCActionNews NBC Action News
Cops: No suspect info in search for #LisaIrwin, search continues in #Northland neighborhood pub.vitrue.com/PnK
4 minutes ago

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:32 AM
They are calling it a kidnapping on the facebook page!

adh74
10-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Does anyone have a link for the comment from "cousin Mike"?

30 lbs is huge for 10 months. My 2 & 3 y/o aren't 30 lbs. When this amber alert first popped up I thought it was suspicious, but since the parents are cooperating, I'm sure she's just a big baby.

It's very possible for an 11mo to be 25-30 lbs. My son was that way...he was in the 90th percentile for an 18mo when he was just 8mo. By the time he was 1, he was already 30+ lbs, and just 3 lbs. less than his 3 1/2yo sister.

My son just turned 3 in July and weighs 44 lbs. My middle daughter is now 5 1/2 and weighs LESS than he does at 42lbs. And my oldest daughter just turned 8 last weekend, and she weighs 50 lbs. So basically, my 3yo is only 6 lbs. less than my 8yo. It just goes to show that all kids grow differently.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:35 AM
Timeline once more until we get something new. Feel free to correct or add. If you do, please bold it for me so I don't miss it.



Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:36 AM
That is the way I took it also. IF this is true, it just solidifies my thinking that the point of entry was not the window. Don't believe the window theory as it is, but as info comes out and thinking about logic I am becoming more convinced the window was not the way.

That house appears to have the old original wooden windows intact. These houses are 50 yrs old and the old wood windows are a PITA. Definitely not not going to be an easy task to manipulate with a baby in tow much less other stuff also.

I thought the window kind of looked high off of the ground. ill take another look. it would be hard to get in and get out, moo

adh74
10-05-2011, 10:37 AM
I took it as stuff was missing from house along with baby. moo

Perhaps it was a B&E gone bad? Burglars accidently woke the baby, covered her mouth to shut her up, and then took her with them?

I dunno though...if I were a burglar and a baby started crying, I'd just run away like my pants were on fire!

~n/t~
10-05-2011, 10:39 AM
FWIW....I don't like when family isn't ruled out immediately. It always makes me question why and makes me very uneasy about everything surrounding the case.

Yes, I understand they're cooperating but.......

annalia
10-05-2011, 10:39 AM
I hate to even think this much less post it, but could it be that someone had been following the mother, someone involved in black market selling of babies? That's how they knew where she lived and the layout of the house?

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:39 AM
Perhaps it was a B&E gone bad? Burglars accidently woke the baby, covered her mouth to shut her up, and then took her with them?

I dunno though...if I were a burglar and a baby started crying, I'd just run away like my pants were on fire!

i agree, and further more burglars arent usually in the market for a infant. moo

iamnotagolem
10-05-2011, 10:40 AM
It's very possible for an 11mo to be 25-30 lbs. My son was that way...he was in the 90th percentile for an 18mo when he was just 8mo. By the time he was 1, he was already 30+ lbs, and just 3 lbs. less than his 3 1/2yo sister.

My son just turned 3 in July and weighs 44 lbs. My middle daughter is now 5 1/2 and weighs LESS than he does at 42lbs. And my oldest daughter just turned 8 last weekend, and she weighs 50 lbs. So basically, my 3yo is only 6 lbs. less than my 8yo. It just goes to show that all kids grow differently.

Oh I don't disagree, my 2 y/o weighs more than my 3 y/o. I know all kids are different, but it doesn't change the fact that 30 lbs is very large for a 10 month old. :)

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 10:41 AM
i agree, and further more burglars arent usually in the market for a infant. moo


Plus, the timing of it all....perhaps a coincidence, but it was the dad's first night at work........

belimom
10-05-2011, 10:42 AM
I thought the window kind of looked high off of the ground. ill take another look. it would be hard to get in and get out, moo

I couldn't tell very well and didn't know exactly which window is in question, but the bedroom windows appear to be those small half-windows that were popular on homes in the 60s/70s... Not sure how someone could get in/out of those - an adult, at least.

Am I looking at the right window(s)? TIA!

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 10:42 AM
Are you talking about the possibility of other items being taken from the house? Just askin. tia

Yes I was. I wonder if it was baby things, diaper bag, clothes, toys, bottles, etc.? or if it was other things like medication, re-sellable things (electronics, etc.)

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:44 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/slideshow?widgetId=37672&slideshowImageId=5 Thats one of the windows. u would have to stand on something. imo

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 10:44 AM
I hate to even think this much less post it, but could it be that someone had been following the mother, someone involved in black market selling of babies? That's how they knew where she lived and the layout of the house?

I was wondering the same thing. Some sick people will steal anything to make a buck. I especially wondered this when I read the comment from relative Mike.

iamnotagolem
10-05-2011, 10:45 AM
I couldn't tell very well and didn't know exactly which window is in question, but the bedroom windows appear to be those small half-windows that were popular on homes in the 60s/70s... Not sure how someone could get in/out of those - an adult, at least.

Am I looking at the right window(s)? TIA!

There was a picture of an LEO dusting the window and the bottom of the window came to his chest/armpit area. So I think you *could* get in that way, but it'd be tricky, and getting back out would be difficult, especially w/a baby.

luckyme
10-05-2011, 10:49 AM
Plus, the timing of it all....perhaps a coincidence, but it was the dad's first night at work........

Thats what bothers me.

chasing.halos
10-05-2011, 10:51 AM
Good morning friends. :grouphug: Any news? I cannot believe this precious baby is still missing :(

Please let today be the day baby Lisa comes home safe!

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 10:53 AM
I would like to know if the dead woman they found on the side of the road has anything to do with the blood curdling screams they heard in the woods (even though she was found several miles away) and if this has anything to do with Lisa being missing.

I could think of a few scenarios that could link them all together but I won't at this time...

justbeachy
10-05-2011, 10:54 AM
Nothing yet?! These cases drive me nuts. I feel certain that there is NO WAY this perp is smarter than all of the FBI and other officials who are involved.

So many cases where, poof...child gone. How do these people keep getting away with this carp??? Praying that today is the day she is found and that she is safe and healthy.

BeanE
10-05-2011, 10:55 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1113&pictureid=12899

Made from this picture:
http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim/2011/10/05/Lisa-Irwin-_1_540x405.jpg

ETA: It's computer generated! I can't draw a straight line. :)

Here's the website:
http://photofunia.com/

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 10:57 AM
If you missed the police briefing at 9 a.m., here is the link to watch it. www.kmbc.com

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29394566/index.html

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:57 AM
Nothing yet?! These cases drive me nuts. I feel certain that there is NO WAY this perp is smarter than all of the FBI and other officials who are involved.

So many cases where, poof...child gone. How do these people keep getting away with this carp??? Praying that today is the day she is found and that she is safe and healthy.

They are working very hard right now on what I think is a very promising lead. You'll have to go downstairs to read about it.

hollye
10-05-2011, 10:58 AM
I would like to know if the dead woman they found on the side of the road has anything to do with the blood curdling screams they heard in the woods (even though she was found several miles away) and if this has anything to do with Lisa being missing.

I could think of a few scenarios that could link them all together but I won't at this time...

I can too and am curious as well, especially since a local stated that this is a low crime area where the woman was found and where Lisa went missing.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 10:58 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1113&pictureid=12899

Made from this picture:
http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim/2011/10/05/Lisa-Irwin-_1_540x405.jpg

Beautiful! You have amazing talent, Bean!

In da Middle
10-05-2011, 11:02 AM
I would like to know if the dead woman they found on the side of the road has anything to do with the blood curdling screams they heard in the woods (even though she was found several miles away) and if this has anything to do with Lisa being missing.

I could think of a few scenarios that could link them all together but I won't at this time...


Not buying the screams in the woods, either. If they did happen, how would the caller to 911 know that it was not checked out? Did they make a follow-up call? It's not like you can see anything being checked out in the woods from most of the houses in the area. You have seen how our LE have come out in full force in this case. Do they seem like they would just totally blow off this call? I am in the neighborhood and have talked to many that would have heard this scream. Nobody that I have talked to heard anything and most said they had windows at least cracked open that night. It was beautiful out, too chilly though to be walking with a baby with only a diaper on also.

hollye
10-05-2011, 11:03 AM
Wow Bean! That's amazing!

BeanE
10-05-2011, 11:07 AM
Beautiful! You have amazing talent, Bean!

Aaaawww Surfie, thank you, but it's computer generated from the picture. I can't even draw a stick figure. :)

Here's the website:

http://photofunia.com/

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:08 AM
2 members of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are on their way to KC to assist in the search
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:03 AM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvAF7T9S
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Buddha_with_mace
10-05-2011, 11:11 AM
Aaaawww Surfie, thank you, but it's computer generated from the picture. I can't even draw a stick figure. :)

Here's the website:

http://photofunia.com/

Really?! And here I was admiring your beautifully manicured nails! :floorlaugh:

BeanE
10-05-2011, 11:17 AM
So sorry! I thought everyone knew those kinds of pics were computer generated. There are tons of websites for enhancing pics like that.

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 11:18 AM
Several dogs have been called to an area near the house, KMBC's Jana Corrie says it appears they're getting ready to start searching again


Read more:http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zv9sFB22

Buddha_with_mace
10-05-2011, 11:21 AM
So sorry! I thought everyone knew those kinds of pics were computer generated. There are tons of websites for enhancing pics like that.

Don't apologise, it gave me a much needed giggle :D

justbeachy
10-05-2011, 11:22 AM
They are working very hard right now on what I think is a very promising lead. You'll have to go downstairs to read about it.

Thank you! Headed there now. I usually just leave this thread open in a tab and then just refresh it for updates. Methinks I just learned a valuable lesson! :) Thanks again! :tyou:

jenniferst
10-05-2011, 11:23 AM
They are working very hard right now on what I think is a very promising lead. You'll have to go downstairs to read about it.

Where? In scanner chatter? I must be missing it

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 11:27 AM
Where? In scanner chatter? I must be missing it
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7189349&posted=1#post7189349

jen&jonhart
10-05-2011, 11:27 AM
Not really, 26lbs/12kgs would be in the 99th centile for weight (for a female infant) but perfectly healthy and normal when combined with a high height/length centile.

edt to add: from the videos yesterday the parents are not petite, so this is also a consideration.

My little girl was and is in the 99 percentile. She weighted 35lbs at one year. She is now three and weights 55lbs and is 3ft 5. She was 7lbs 11oz at birth.Her doctor isnt concerend.He said he guesses she will be around 5'11. Funny thing is I am 5'1.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:29 AM
Oct 5. 2011 - 9 a.m. UPDATE: The search for Lisa Irwin - YouTube

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 11:30 AM
Where? In scanner chatter? I must be missing it

That is correct. The posts about a weedeater.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:30 AM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/aeb3eba4-ac0c-4086-ba84-ad03371f53d1_400.jpg

picture of csi techs in white suits at the house from live blog
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

justbeachy
10-05-2011, 11:30 AM
My little girl was and is in the 99 percentile. She weighted 35lbs at one year. She is now three and weights 55lbs and is 3ft 5. She was 7lbs 11oz at birth.Her doctor isnt concerend.He said he guesses she will be around 5'11. Funny thing is I am 5'1.

These posts are making me feel better. My son is 6 and weighs 59 lbs. My daughter is 10 and only weighs 67 lbs. I have been so concerned about my son's weight. He's not quite 4 ft. tall. That puts him in about the 50% for height and 99% for weight. Something like that... I keep waiting for that upward growth spurt. He's definitely "stockier" than the other boys in his class.

Sorry about the OT. I just wanted to give a quick shoutout to everyone for making me feel a little better about DS.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:32 AM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Investigators in protective clothing are canvassing the back yard of the home where a 10-month-old girl was apparently abducted.
It wasn’t immediately clear what brought the investigators, wearing plastic suits and escorting search dogs.


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvGIRMUm

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BeanE
10-05-2011, 11:32 AM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
Investigators in protective clothing canvassing back yard of home where #LisaIrwin was apparently abducted. pub.vitrue.com/mvW
1 minute ago

BeanE
10-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Associated Press update video w/LE:

No Leads, No Suspects in Snatched 10-month Old - YouTube

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 11:40 AM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/aeb3eba4-ac0c-4086-ba84-ad03371f53d1_400.jpg

picture of csi techs in white suits at the house from live blog
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

And hence the reason the family is staying with relatives?

tlcya
10-05-2011, 11:43 AM
Investigators in protective clothing have brought search dogs to the back yard of the home where a 10-month-old girl was apparently abducted.

snip

The protective plastic suits are being worn to hide investigators' scents from the dogs.

snip

Capt. Steve Young, with the Kansas City Police Department said search dogs are going through the woods near Lisa Irwin’s home for a second and third time and officers are canvassing her Northland neighborhood and knocking on doors in hopes of finding the missing girl.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvG0v6iX

liz b.
10-05-2011, 11:47 AM
The window as an entrance and exit point seems unlikely. So, I wonder how an intruder got in and out ? I would think that because mom was alone with the children that night she would have been careful about locking doors etc. ? MOO

Puzzling to imagine how he/she got in and out of that house ? MOO

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:51 AM
Grandparents of missing 10 mo. old say they haven't heard from #LisaIrwin 's parents since police took them in for questioning.
17 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
FBI crews on scene collecting clues. #amberalert #LisaIrwin http://t.co/6PMop96c
19 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


http://www.kctv5.com/story/15612837/live-tweets-amber-alert-issued-for-missing-10-month-old-girl

SilkySifaka
10-05-2011, 11:53 AM
Is it my imagination or do they seem to be swinging back to the family?

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 11:54 AM
Investigators in protective clothing have brought search dogs to the back yard of the home where a 10-month-old girl was apparently abducted.

snip

The protective plastic suits are being worn to hide investigators' scents from the dogs.

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Capt. Steve Young, with the Kansas City Police Department said search dogs are going through the woods near Lisa Irwin’s home for a second and third time and officers are canvassing her Northland neighborhood and knocking on doors in hopes of finding the missing girl.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvG0v6iX

bbm... would love oriah's take on that ((never heard of that before especially since the dogs are tracking Lisa's scent not that of the investigators... I mean why not put the reporters in white plastic as well?? :waitasec: ))

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 11:58 AM
Update: Next expected news conference will be at 2 p.m., unless there's major developing news


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvJoRQUB

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Grandparents of missing 10 mo. old say they haven't heard from #LisaIrwin 's parents since police took them in for questioning.
17 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

FBI crews on scene collecting clues. #amberalert #LisaIrwin http://t.co/6PMop96c
19 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15612837/live-tweets-amber-alert-issued-for-missing-10-month-old-girl

I really don't know what to believe anymore. And the white plastic suits because of the dogs? I don't think so. Nothing about this is making any sense.

saba
10-05-2011, 12:00 PM
Is it my imagination or do they seem to be swinging back to the family?

Well, it makes me nervous that the grandparents are not in constant contact with Lisa's parents and even worse that they are willing to say so to the media.

alpujols
10-05-2011, 12:01 PM
I saw the Amber Alert in St. Louis last night on a highway sign. We are across the state, but at least word is getting out.

davehead21
10-05-2011, 12:02 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15612837/live-tweets-amber-alert-issued-for-missing-10-month-old-girl

I find it very odd that the grandparents have not heard from baby Lisa's parents. :waitasec:

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 12:02 PM
NewsChopper 9 is going up to take a look at some of the searching going on right now. We'll publish the live stream to Johnny's video as soon as he gets on the scene
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:55 AM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvL6F5FT

mysteriew
10-05-2011, 12:04 PM
LE seems to be paying a lot of attention to in and around the home.

shefner
10-05-2011, 12:05 PM
Can someone confirm when the parents were taken in for questioning? Was this yesterday?

I thought Lisa's parents were staying with relatives last night.....would that not be Lisa's grandparents? I don't think it sounds good if the parents aren't in touch with the grandparents since yesterday....

KaylynnCouture
10-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Can someone confirm when the parents were taken in for questioning? Was this yesterday?

I thought Lisa's parents were staying with relatives last night.....would that not be Lisa's grandparents? I don't think it sounds good if the parents aren't in touch with the grandparents since yesterday....

At the presser yesterday, all LE said was that the parents had been questioned, and he was unsure if they were taken downtown for questioning (to make "formal statements") or if it was done informally at the house.

Regardless, the parents were questioned yesterday, along with the other children staying in the house.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 12:09 PM
Can someone confirm when the parents were taken in for questioning? Was this yesterday?

I thought Lisa's parents were staying with relatives last night.....would that not be Lisa's grandparents? I don't think it sounds good if the parents aren't in touch with the grandparents since yesterday....

They were questioned until 10:30 last night. The van and the car were also searched some time yesterday night/evening.

I wondered too...which relatives are they staying with if the grandparents haven't heard from them?

This is like an episode of the Twilight Zone.....

KaylynnCouture
10-05-2011, 12:10 PM
My original thoughts were that the parents weren't involved, and this was an abduction.

However, as time goes on, I really don't know what to think anymore.

AnaTeresa
10-05-2011, 12:11 PM
I believe the police would be running parallel investigations, just to be sure. I'm not sure we can read much, if anything, from the questioning, the items taken from the house, or the search going on at the property right now. They have to look at the case from all angles.

That said, remember Breann Rodriguez? Her parents failed/were told they failed a polygraph - and they weren't involved. Stranger abductions do happen, even if statistically they are not the norm. If it looked enough like a stranger abduction to prompt an Amber Alert at the beginning of the case, I'm going to continue with the assumption it's a stranger abduction until there's something more concrete that indicates otherwise.

sarx
10-05-2011, 12:12 PM
Investigators in protective clothing have brought search dogs to the back yard of the home where a 10-month-old girl was apparently abducted.

snip

The protective plastic suits are being worn to hide investigators' scents from the dogs.

snip

Capt. Steve Young, with the Kansas City Police Department said search dogs are going through the woods near Lisa Irwin’s home for a second and third time and officers are canvassing her Northland neighborhood and knocking on doors in hopes of finding the missing girl.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvG0v6iX

I'm speechless.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:14 PM
Can someone confirm when the parents were taken in for questioning? Was this yesterday?

I thought Lisa's parents were staying with relatives last night.....would that not be Lisa's grandparents? I don't think it sounds good if the parents aren't in touch with the grandparents since yesterday....


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference

SuziQ
10-05-2011, 12:16 PM
I'm speechless.

If you are speechless.....oh boy. Not sure what I make of the protective suits either.

laytonian
10-05-2011, 12:18 PM
I believe the police would be running parallel investigations, just to be sure. I'm not sure we can read much, if anything, from the questioning, the items taken from the house, or the search going on at the property right now. They have to look at the case from all angles.

That said, remember Breann Rodriguez? Her parents failed/were told they failed a polygraph - and they weren't involved. Stranger abductions do happen, even if statistically they are not the norm. If it looked enough like a stranger abduction to prompt an Amber Alert at the beginning of the case, I'm going to continue with the assumption it's a stranger abduction until there's something more concrete that indicates otherwise.

But Breann Rodriguez was 3, outside all alone on her bicycle/tricycle. She wasn't in bed, in her own home, 10 months old.

Unless there is someone known to the family who could have taken the child, this is not an abduction.

The home is rural, not in a location where a stranger would suddenly decide in the middle of the night, to steal the child. And this conveniently happened when ... when the father wasn't there?

I don't know why we want to protect parents, when they really are most often, the guilty parties.

I will apologize later, if I'm wrong.

laytonian
10-05-2011, 12:19 PM
If you are speechless.....oh boy. Not sure what I make of the protective suits either.

The protective suits are being used so that the investigators do not contaminate the scene with their own hairs and DNA.

I think it's smart investigating.

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 12:21 PM
I'm speechless.

me too....

(LE also said that they issued the amber alert for 12 hours to give the case attention.....)

nursebeeme
10-05-2011, 12:22 PM
The protective suits are being used so that the investigators do not contaminate the scene with their own hairs and DNA.

I think it's smart investigating.

right...

but the article said that LE told them the suits were so the dogs couldn't smell the handlers

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:22 PM
KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

krimekat
10-05-2011, 12:22 PM
If you are speechless.....oh boy. Not sure what I make of the protective suits either.

The protective plastic suits are being worn to hide investigators' scents from the dogs.

from

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvQ1Ne6j

AnaTeresa
10-05-2011, 12:25 PM
But Breann Rodriguez was 3, outside all alone on her bicycle/tricycle. She wasn't in bed, in her own home, 10 months old.

Unless there is someone known to the family who could have taken the child, this is not an abduction.

The home is rural, not in a location where a stranger would suddenly decide in the middle of the night, to steal the child. And this conveniently happened when ... when the father wasn't there?

I don't know why we want to protect parents, when they really are most often, the guilty parties.

I will apologize later, if I'm wrong.

Riley Fox then, for a child that went missing from a home. Shasta Groene, for a more rural area. Elizabeth Smart, for a child at night. Abductions can be spur-of-the-moment crimes, or they can be carefully cased and planned. They can happen in the city or in rural areas. They can happen to infants or teenagers, black or white. They can happen at all income levels. In my opinion, it's not protecting the parents to acknowledge that stranger abductions do happen.

CN2Souls
10-05-2011, 12:30 PM
The protective plastic suits are being worn to hide investigators' scents from the dogs.

from

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvQ1Ne6j

If investigators have been inside the home and or car they may pickup the scent of her on their clothing,

I think they went the extra yard to be sure the dogs are only going to smell the scent directly related to her being out there.

ETA: it also keeps other scents to a minimum of the people near the dogs, like soaps and after shave.

cluciano63
10-05-2011, 12:32 PM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference

Didn't someone post that this sighting had been ruled out?
I know it did not make much sense to me that this would be the abductor...but just checking...

mysteriew
10-05-2011, 12:32 PM
How many hours have they been searching/looking forensically at the house now?

That is an awful long time to spend at any crime scene, but esp. one where in a stranger abduction you would expect the abductor to only have been there briefly.

The dogs. Hasn't LE said they didn't have any hits? If they were using only search/rescue dogs would they even hit if say a dead body was moved?

It kinda bothers me that Mom was out side alone yesterday. Kinda like she was isolating herself. I keep telling myself that I might do that to distance myself a bit and catch my breath. But I really don't know. Usually in traumatic situation you want someone around to hold onto if things get worse.

eileenhawkeye
10-05-2011, 12:32 PM
But Breann Rodriguez was 3, outside all alone on her bicycle/tricycle. She wasn't in bed, in her own home, 10 months old.

Unless there is someone known to the family who could have taken the child, this is not an abduction.

The home is rural, not in a location where a stranger would suddenly decide in the middle of the night, to steal the child. And this conveniently happened when ... when the father wasn't there?

I don't know why we want to protect parents, when they really are most often, the guilty parties.

I will apologize later, if I'm wrong.

Lisa lived in Kansas City, MO which has a population of 450,000. It's definitely not rural. I doubt a stranger just woke up in the middle of the night and decided they were just going to go to a random house and kidnap the baby that's hopefully there. I'm sure whoever is responsible had this planned out, and maybe even knew that the father wouldn't be home.

SinKittyVixen
10-05-2011, 12:33 PM
I feel so helpless. I wish I were closer, Id help.. in some way.. Im praying for her, its all I can do.. (and a lil sleuthing on the side)

I feel bad for the neighbor that may have saw her.. I mean, who would think the baby is being kidnapped? Im sure he feels bad..

Im glad that LE checked all the RSO's in the area..
Lets hope someone leaves her in a safe spot today and calls LE. Leave her in a cart at the store.. something. safe. Its not too late to not hurt her. Please dont hurt this angel!

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:36 PM
Didn't someone post that this sighting had been ruled out?
I know it did not make much sense to me that this would be the abductor...but just checking...


I read that, but I haven't come across a link so I can "prove" it.

SinKittyVixen
10-05-2011, 12:38 PM
I read that, but I haven't come across a link so I can "prove" it.

Ya, they say 'possible' sighting.. but, I would think someone would come forward and say it was them, if they were walking w thier own child.. imo.. I know i would..

illinialum
10-05-2011, 12:38 PM
Didn't someone post that this sighting had been ruled out?
I know it did not make much sense to me that this would be the abductor...but just checking...

I was the one who said that. But, it was a talk show host -- who had been on vacation until today -- and she mentioned that it was ruled out only once and then in subsequent mentions of this case, she left that detail out. So, I'm not sure how accurate that statement was.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 12:40 PM
KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv


So, mom and dad are staying with relatives and the older 2 children are staying with neighbors? :waitasec:

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:43 PM
So, mom and dad are staying with relatives and the older 2 children are staying with neighbors? :waitasec:


That's how I read it.....


I guess the neighborhood is probably the safest place because of all of the LE, but, I would want my other children with me.

ETA Unless there was a reason that my kids were NOT safe if they were with me.....

liz b.
10-05-2011, 12:43 PM
KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv


These children must be feeling very frightened.... MOO

tlcya
10-05-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm speechless.

I must say, I have followed a lot of searches, some with your expert guidance, and I have never seen this before. If you are speechless, I must deduce that this is not SOP from a SAR standpoint.

SinKittyVixen
10-05-2011, 12:46 PM
That's how I read it.....


I guess the neighborhood is probably the safest place because of all of the LE, but, I would want my other children with me.

ETA

I would want mine with me also, but I bet Mom is losing it. She probably cant care for them in her state of mind.. Im sure shes breaking down.. I couldnt even imagine. They may want to protect the other kids from seeing all the upset..
jmho

Miziree
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
About the investigator's searching the woods in suits...I wonder if the person who took the baby left something behind and they are trying to track their scent..?

The window...when you look at the close up of the window you can see a bit of blocks sticking out..with the window being so low and those rocks..it looks like it would be easy to climb in to me..There was a show i watched called "It takes a thief" I was amazed how quickly and agile that guy was getting in, if someone like him had experience breaking into house's that window would be easy to get in.

The yard sale..if they put a sign up or in the newspaper like i see often "baby girl clothes" and someone was looking for a baby girl, this could be how they found her. If it was a hot day the mother may have had Lisa's window and curtains open, which would explain how they knew which room she was in..or possibly someone asked to use the bathroom...

I just have a feeling the parent's have nothing to do with this, sounds like their story is solid. Putting that amber alert out like that makes me think so even more...

All MOO...

AnaTeresa
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
So, mom and dad are staying with relatives and the older 2 children are staying with neighbors? :waitasec:

Could be a neighbor took the kids when the parents went down to the police station to answer questions. Since they weren't done until 10:30 pm, the kids might have been asleep, and they didn't want to wake them. Might have crashed at a relative's house because of beds.

Or it's shoddy reporting. I thought I had seen they were staying with a sibling (the kids and the parents), although I can't remember if it was a sibling of mom or dad. I can't seem to find that article now, so who knows?

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#%21/NBCActionNews) NBC Action News



Cops know where Lisa's parents are, will not disclose location; Family has not heard from them since last night pub.vitrue.com/wLx (http://t.co/jw1JZR77)

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 12:51 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/8666c8fb-aecf-4505-be9e-65093406ef95_400.jpg

FBI agents take a closer look at an open window. KMBC's Peggy Breit said they're using vacuums.

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:23 AM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvXHZKxw

jadejazzkayla
10-05-2011, 12:51 PM
But Breann Rodriguez was 3, outside all alone on her bicycle/tricycle. She wasn't in bed, in her own home, 10 months old.

Unless there is someone known to the family who could have taken the child, this is not an abduction.

The home is rural, not in a location where a stranger would suddenly decide in the middle of the night, to steal the child. And this conveniently happened when ... when the father wasn't there?

I don't know why we want to protect parents, when they really are most often, the guilty parties.

I will apologize later, if I'm wrong.

The reason we are protecting Lisa parents is because they have not been named suspects in her disappearance. We don't treat Lisa parents as the guilty party because it is against our terms of service as a victim friendly forum. And, because when lisa grows up and reads these threads, these types of words can be very hurtful to her even if apologies are given after the fact.

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:51 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin

snip:

NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz

iamnotagolem
10-05-2011, 12:52 PM
I'm pretty new here, could someone give some insight onto whether or not you've ever seen a case where the parents didn't have some sort of hinky situation? Not to say we know of anything hinky yet, but from the other cases I've followed it seems like there is always something that comes up that makes the family look suspicious.

annalia
10-05-2011, 12:53 PM
Riley Fox then, for a child that went missing from a home. Shasta Groene, for a more rural area. Elizabeth Smart, for a child at night. Abductions can be spur-of-the-moment crimes, or they can be carefully cased and planned. They can happen in the city or in rural areas. They can happen to infants or teenagers, black or white. They can happen at all income levels. In my opinion, it's not protecting the parents to acknowledge that stranger abductions do happen.

And Polly Klass.

It does happen. If this is an abduction, the mom may have been followed for a while.

JMHO

illinialum
10-05-2011, 12:53 PM
Does anyone else think it's strange that there is so much secrecy surrounding Lisa's parents? While someone mentioned their names on here, I don't think their names have been revealed in MSM (or if so, in very few articles). Plus, now the secrecy about their location.

Why would there be so much secrecy about their location?

CN2Souls
10-05-2011, 12:54 PM
I must say, I have followed a lot of searches, some with your expert guidance, and I have never seen this before. If you are speechless, I must deduce that this is not SOP from a SAR standpoint.

Thank Tlcox,

I don't know....

I think I would rather have them go out of their way and maybe not follow Standard Operating procedures for most SAR, just to be on the safe side and protect the integrity of the scent for the dogs and the area than not....
:innocent:

ETA: LE looks a little like umpa-lumpas in those suits :giggle:

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:56 PM
I'm pretty new here, could someone give some insight onto whether or not you've ever seen a case where the parents didn't have some sort of hinky situation? Not to say we know of anything hinky yet, but from the other cases I've followed it seems like there is always something that comes up that makes the family look suspicious.


I don't remember the Smart family as having anything "hinky"...but, it's been a while so I might not remember.

wfgodot
10-05-2011, 12:56 PM
I'm pretty new here, could someone give some insight onto whether or not you've ever seen a case where the parents didn't have some sort of hinky situation? Not to say we know of anything hinky yet, but from the other cases I've followed it seems like there is always something that comes up that makes the family look suspicious.
The family of a missing child will always look suspicious if the family were the last to have contact with him or her. Also, children meet their fate far more often at the hands of family than they do at the hands of strangers. The initial spotlight irrevocably falls upon the family, as it rightly should.

CatFancier
10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Does anyone else think it's strange that there is so much secrecy surrounding Lisa's parents? While someone mentioned their names on here, I don't think their names have been revealed in MSM (or if so, in very few articles). Plus, now the secrecy about their location.

Why would there be so much secrecy about their location?

I have to wonder if maybe there haven't been threats made against them from those who might hold them responsible?

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Does anyone else think it's strange that there is so much secrecy surrounding Lisa's parents? While someone mentioned their names on here, I don't think their names have been revealed in MSM (or if so, in very few articles). Plus, now the secrecy about their location.

Why would there be so much secrecy about their location?

One article early yesterday told the names, but, yeah, other than that, I haven't seen them.

Possible danger to the rest of the family? Ransom note? Drug related?

I don't know...my mind wanders to all sorts of scenarios, but they mostly seem like they would be out of a movie......

swanniee11
10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
showing baby Lisa's FB again. very happy to see so many people on there. I remember yesterday there were on 300, now they're over 3000...

http://www.facebook.com/#!/find.lisa?sk=wall

EllaMae
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
I don't remember the Smart family as having anything "hinky"...but, it's been a while so I might not remember.





Since there was a witness to Elizabeth's abduction....her little sister....that sort of let the parents off the hook.

Miziree
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
Does anyone else think it's strange that there is so much secrecy surrounding Lisa's parents? While someone mentioned their names on here, I don't think their names have been revealed in MSM (or if so, in very few articles). Plus, now the secrecy about their location.

Why would there be so much secrecy about their location?

I'm wondering if maybe the dad or mom were undercover for the cops...maybe they got someone in trouble..They do seem to be protecting them from something. This would explain why the put out that amber alert without all the info they usually require...thinking out loud here..

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 01:08 PM
Fly-over video: Investigators dressed in white suits entered the Irwin home on Wednesday.

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29395963/detail.html#ixzz1ZvbRsK7G

peeples
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
My local noon news just featured baby lisa, I'm in Iowa, so word is getting out to surrounding states

imawitch
10-05-2011, 01:12 PM
My local noon news just featured baby lisa, I'm in Iowa, so word is getting out to surrounding states

My local news has a article to...

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=8379512

I'm in Texas

krimekat
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
I'm pretty new here, could someone give some insight onto whether or not you've ever seen a case where the parents didn't have some sort of hinky situation? Not to say we know of anything hinky yet, but from the other cases I've followed it seems like there is always something that comes up that makes the family look suspicious.

There are many! Post below your original has a few & Google has links to many others. We also have followed many cases on WS where the parents have nothing to do with the missing child.

And please take the time to read Terms of Service here at WS to understand why we take the lead from LE regarding persons of interest, suspects, etc., before "sleuthing" them & potentially destroying their lives.

Thanks!

badhorsie
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
We have very good friends as neighbours, when I was in Intensive Care last year, my daughter stayed with them (she is friends with their daughters) to get away from the anxiety and gloom at home

marycarney
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
I wonder if the two other children are at a neighbor's to accomodate school attendance?
Just thinking out loud.

EllaMae
10-05-2011, 01:18 PM
I would want mine with me also, but I bet Mom is losing it. She probably cant care for them in her state of mind.. Im sure shes breaking down.. I couldnt even imagine. They may want to protect the other kids from seeing all the upset..
jmho


Definitely the best place for the older children is away from all the chaos right now, and to be with another trusted adult who can care for them and give them comfort and reassurance. It must be a scary and confusing time for them.

AnaTeresa
10-05-2011, 01:19 PM
I don't remember the Smart family as having anything "hinky"...but, it's been a while so I might not remember.

There were some nasty rumors, if I recall correctly. I think the focus quickly shifted to someone else, though. Ultimately, I think there's always suspicion on a family because of statistics - there's always something that will be construed as hinky by some segment of the media.

marycarney
10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
Crap - if someone searched my computer right now - I'd be considered a POI in several missing persons / crimes !!! I think we could ALL be construed as 'hinky' by someone looking for hinkiness. (Yeah, I just made that word up)

Miziree
10-05-2011, 01:24 PM
Speaking of the other children..I wonder why the news has posted a picture (all three of them at the sliding glass door) that has the boys not "fuzzed" out, i mean if this baby girl is missing from a stranger abduction wouldn't they try to protect them other kids..but it is the other way around..they even told everyone where they are (grandma's) odd. MOO

SinKittyVixen
10-05-2011, 01:26 PM
Could be a neighbor took the kids when the parents went down to the police station to answer questions. Since they weren't done until 10:30 pm, the kids might have been asleep, and they didn't want to wake them. Might have crashed at a relative's house because of beds.

Or it's shoddy reporting. I thought I had seen they were staying with a sibling (the kids and the parents), although I can't remember if it was a sibling of mom or dad. I can't seem to find that article now, so who knows?


Crap - if someone searched my computer right now - I'd be considered a POI in several missing persons / crimes !!! I think we could ALL be construed as 'hinky' by someone looking for hinkiness. (Yeah, I just made that word up)

I agree.. We'd def have a bit of hinkiness. Just for looking at cases would be suspicious.. Even though, we really just wanna help in our own way.. It could be taken differently for sure!

Well, Im running out..praying when i get back, lil Lisa is safe with her family.. Ill be thinking of her..

Janeumayer
10-05-2011, 01:26 PM
I couldn't tell very well and didn't know exactly which window is in question, but the bedroom windows appear to be those small half-windows that were popular on homes in the 60s/70s... Not sure how someone could get in/out of those - an adult, at least.

Am I looking at the right window(s)? TIA!

The window being so narrow: makes me think that someone passed the baby from the inside to someone on the outside of the house.

iamnotagolem
10-05-2011, 01:30 PM
There are many! Post below your original has a few & Google has links to many others. We also have followed many cases on WS where the parents have nothing to do with the missing child.

And please take the time to read Terms of Service here at WS to understand why we take the lead from LE regarding persons of interest, suspects, etc., before "sleuthing" them & potentially destroying their lives.

Thanks!

I apologize, I wasn't insinuating her parents had anything hinky going on, but in case something comes up I wanted a better idea on whether or not weird stuff was typically related to the abduction or if there were coincidences that are read into.

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm confused... Didn't they just say the kids are staying at a neighbors and now they are at grandma's? and no one has heard from the parents since last night after being questioned?

Why would the parents leave the kids with anyone for any reason without checking in on them? I can understand possibly leaving them with someone else but not contacting them at all??? I wonder if they are just telling the media thay haven't heard from them....?

I also wonder what the relationship is between the boys and their biological father?

Mandy113
10-05-2011, 01:32 PM
My best hope at this point is LE is allowing a lot of mis-information pass through without bothering to correct it. Just my hopeful thinking LE not only knows lots more than we do but also knows who & does not want to alert the guilty party. I know I'm probably dreaming but ... who knows.

JMHO

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 01:33 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney gives us the latest on the return of baby Lisa's mother to the house

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:29 PM

VIDEO here (along with a video interview with the neighbor) - scroll down about midway past the written story.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvhgRjA6

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 01:33 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney says baby Lisa's mother has returned to the home


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvhnUa9f

Shelby1
10-05-2011, 01:33 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney says baby Lisa's mother has returned to the home

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvhrYVGG

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 01:33 PM
A neighbor who lives behind the Irwin home gives his thoughts on what's going on



Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvhzk2cq

swanniee11
10-05-2011, 01:34 PM
Speaking of the other children..I wonder why the news has posted a picture (all three of them at the sliding glass door) that has the boys not "fuzzed" out, i mean if this baby girl is missing from a stranger abduction wouldn't they try to protect them other kids..but it is the other way around..they even told everyone where they are (grandma's) odd. MOO


I thought About that too! Also, the Aunt was the one who gave out the parents names, not the media or LE, which is why i'm keeping mum until it actually becomes public by something other then a eager Aunt. I will say that other family names are attached to the history of that house, this makes me think they family grew up in that area which may be why the kids are staying at a neighbors. My heart just breaks for the family.

? I may be getting confused as to what is real and what is rumor but I read (please don't ask me where) that the front door was unlocked. That the POI could have gone thru the window and out the front door? Is this fact or am have I lost it?

mrsu
10-05-2011, 01:34 PM
So with an alleged kidnapping, who thinks it's smart to announce that the other kids are staying with neighbors!?!?!?!?!

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 01:34 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney gives us the latest on the return of baby Lisa's mother to the house



Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvi8i99I

illinialum
10-05-2011, 01:36 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney says baby Lisa's mother has returned to the home

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvhrYVGG


Sheesh! At first glance, I thought this meant that baby Lisa had been returned to her mother! I got very excited for a split second there...

SinKittyVixen
10-05-2011, 01:37 PM
So with an alleged kidnapping, who thinks it's smart to announce that the other kids are staying with neighbors!?!?!?!?!

Thats soo true. I dont know what they were thinking about doing that. :banghead:

Miziree
10-05-2011, 01:37 PM
Sheesh! At first glance, I thought this meant that baby Lisa had been returned to her mother! I got very excited for a split second there...

me too:(

fraudqueen
10-05-2011, 01:41 PM
KMBC's Michael Mahoney gives us the latest on the return of baby Lisa's mother to the house



Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvi8i99I

sorry, don't know how to repost the sight...they are saying on there now the family will give a press conference at 2 pm and they will stream it live.
Is KC on CMT?

peeples
10-05-2011, 01:42 PM
Interesting tidbit in scanner feed

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

KaylynnCouture
10-05-2011, 01:42 PM
Sheesh! At first glance, I thought this meant that baby Lisa had been returned to her mother! I got very excited for a split second there...

Me too. I need to get better at reading, I think.

Lera213
10-05-2011, 01:44 PM
Well I know this is a dog but still my dog was my baby:

Once he was missing, I couldn't sit inside my house, I sat out side for hours. Sitting inside just made me feel like I couldn't breath. Mother sitting outside is exactly what I did once. Very normal to me.

Parents questioned until 10:30 pm last night, not seeing kids afterwards right away means nothing. 1- the kids are probably asleep why wake them 2: parents very upset and do not want their other children to see that, so they decide to wait until the morning. Nothing wrong or suspicious to me about that.

What does kind of make me feel a little suspicious is how they were spoken to until 10:30 last night then this morning the forensics is back at the house. Now either they believe the parents and went back to see if they can find something they might have missed or
they don't believe the parents and know one of them did something and covered up really well and went back to search more detailed.

I'm leaning towards they haven't ruled them out 100% yet but since they had no other leads to go on, they went back to lay it heavy on the parents. Now LE has nothing, so they go back to house to comb over it again.

~n/t~
10-05-2011, 01:44 PM
Breaking: Lisa Irwin's family will speak at the 2 PM news conference. We will stream it live here


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvki7z7a

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 01:45 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/62cac519-e985-4203-bd9d-79c367fc459f_400.jpg

Lisa Irwin's mother and father leave home with some bags, from KMBC's Peggy Breit.

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... edited by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:44 PM
Reply

Breaking: Lisa Irwin's family will speak at the 2 PM news conference. We will stream it live here.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:40 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvkrH0Xg

jacy
10-05-2011, 01:55 PM
Sheesh! At first glance, I thought this meant that baby Lisa had been returned to her mother! I got very excited for a split second there...

Same here; several times. Ugh.

Wanting2Help
10-05-2011, 01:56 PM
Can someone give us the details when they have them of the presser? I don't have audio where I am today. Also I posted a link with an interview with the neighbor. Was there any new or interesting info on there?

TIA

~n/t~
10-05-2011, 02:11 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/cf65c5a7-37e8-45b9-b86b-c783e805d6b7_400.jpg

Irwin family outside their home


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvkrH0Xg

In da Middle
10-05-2011, 02:21 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/cf65c5a7-37e8-45b9-b86b-c783e805d6b7_400.jpg

Irwin family outside their home


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvkrH0Xg


That's not their home. Neighbors. Could be grandparents that live there, I suppose. That could be why reports are saying kids are with gpts and some say neighbors. There is a lot of extended families that live throughout the neighborhood.

In da Middle
10-05-2011, 02:27 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/5/95a2e2cd-258c-4913-b585-260097cde2e3_400.jpg

This truck is the one that had the officers that went through the neighborhood door-to-door, including my house, asking if anybody had any info. I think the tall guy is the one I talked to. Hard to tell in this pic, but that is the truck.

hollye
10-05-2011, 02:30 PM
They're setting up awfully early aren't they? Isn't it only 1:30 there?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

annalyzer
10-05-2011, 02:32 PM
Crap - if someone searched my computer right now - I'd be considered a POI in several missing persons / crimes !!! I think we could ALL be construed as 'hinky' by someone looking for hinkiness. (Yeah, I just made that word up)

oh no doubt if someone close to us mysteriously up and disappeared

KaylynnCouture
10-05-2011, 02:32 PM
They're setting up awfully early aren't they? Isn't it only 1:30 there?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

Yep, it's 1:30 there.

Lera213
10-05-2011, 02:35 PM
Here is another link to live stream presser:

http://www.kctv5.com/category/215375/kctv5-livestream-mva2

annalyzer
10-05-2011, 02:35 PM
They're setting up awfully early aren't they? Isn't it only 1:30 there?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

all i can see is a tiny red x in upper left corner. wonder what i'm doing wrong now

hollye
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
Here is another link to live stream presser:

http://www.kctv5.com/category/215375/kctv5-livestream-mva2

Lera's link is a better one and has sound right now.

annalyzer
10-05-2011, 02:42 PM
So with an alleged kidnapping, who thinks it's smart to announce that the other kids are staying with neighbors!?!?!?!?!

if there was a kidnapping the abductor(s) got what they wanted, a baby

hollye
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
They're starting to chatter on http://www.kctv5.com/category/215375/kctv5-livestream-mva2

Someone mentioned hoping family members would be there.

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Helicopters are flying overhead.

hollye
10-05-2011, 02:59 PM
commenting on all of the traffic noise, LOL...motorcycles, helicopters, trucks, where's the train?

hollye
10-05-2011, 03:00 PM
must be running late today, they were early yesterday, set up and ready to go

hollye
10-05-2011, 03:01 PM
people are gathered off in the distance, but haven't approached the mics yet

hollye
10-05-2011, 03:01 PM
parents may make a public appeal
still all chatter, not official PC yet

here they come...

SurfieTX
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
The parents are here and will not be answering questions.

KaylynnCouture
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Family will not be answering any questions after their statement.

wfgodot
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Here we go....

peeples
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
parents will not be answering questions after their statement

hollye
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Steve Young and parents, Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin will make statement, but no questions