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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-06-2011, 01:29 AM
Please continue here.

An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of Wednesday, no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

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Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.

Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.


PREVIOUS THREADS:

Thread #1

Thread #2

Apples2Apples
10-06-2011, 01:31 AM
I was hoping that when the other thread was closed that maybe they had found her. Ugh! My heart, my thoughts and prayers are with her and her family!

luvbeaches
10-06-2011, 01:34 AM
I was sure hoping for some good news this morning about this little girl. It's probably nothing at all, but her clothing description is shorts and a top? Don't most people put PJ's on their kids at night? Maybe they were PJ's and it was just described this way, but I thought it was strange. And maybe the baby fell asleep in her clothing and was left in them. I just hope they find her.

Apples2Apples
10-06-2011, 01:41 AM
There are a lot of Carter pj sets that are a tee shirt and shorts. Not unusual at all :)

MsFacetious
10-06-2011, 01:46 AM
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Angelonline
10-06-2011, 01:55 AM
Thanks for the new pics Ms Facetious. Baby Lisa does look to be really long in those pics. She is def. big for her age. About to fall asleep but first will pray she will be home safe and sound when I wake in the morning.

MyBelle
10-06-2011, 02:08 AM
I was sure hoping for some good news this morning about this little girl. It's probably nothing at all, but her clothing description is shorts and a top? Don't most people put PJ's on their kids at night? Maybe they were PJ's and it was just described this way, but I thought it was strange. And maybe the baby fell asleep in her clothing and was left in them. I just hope they find her.

I, too, am baffled by the "shorts." I don't understand why any mother would put a baby to bed with shorts on because if the baby awakes with a wet diaper, it is an additional hassle to remove the shorts that serve no real purpose so why put them on? If this baby was ill as reported, that increases the chances she'd awaken because she was uncomfortable. All of my kids slept in cotton t-shirts, so that part I do understand perfectly. I have trouble understanding the reasoning for putting shorts on an ill baby at nighttime.

Apples2Apples
10-06-2011, 02:18 AM
What a beautiful baby girl! She does look like a long legged little girl! Prayers for her and her family tonight.

Melanie
10-06-2011, 02:20 AM
What a precious little girl - I'm still praying she's found soon.

Mel

Irish_Eyes
10-06-2011, 02:28 AM
I, too, am baffled by the "shorts." I don't understand why any mother would put a baby to bed with shorts on because if the baby awakes with a wet diaper, it is an additional hassle to remove the shorts that serve no real purpose so why put them on? If this baby was ill as reported, that increases the chances she'd awaken because she was uncomfortable. All of my kids slept in cotton t-shirts, so that part I do understand perfectly. I have trouble understanding the reasoning for putting shorts on an ill baby at nighttime.

I have an 18 month old. She knows how to take her diaper off unless she is wearing something over it. So maybe the shorts were strategic....

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 02:36 AM
I feel like she is alive, I just hope they can find her. This really feels like someone took her, but not to harm her.

JeannieC
10-06-2011, 02:39 AM
I hope and pray they find her today. Such a beautiful little girl.

essies
10-06-2011, 03:00 AM
I wonder if the parents have an idea of who may be responsible or who they may have trusted that in hindsight may have done this? That's the impression I got from the short PC they gave yesterday. I found them genuine but with a sense that they were almost speaking to someone they know about dropping her off somewhere safe!!:waitasec:
I pray she's safe and returned today!!http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p125/dogpoundbrenda/SMILIES/prayerguy.gif God Bless you and keep you from harm little Angel!!

JasonFutchLakeCityFL
10-06-2011, 04:08 AM
This really breaks my heart. It really does. She is a cutie. I will be very down if she is found deceased. This child is beautiful and idk why people have to do this. It really really tears at my heart.

Buddha_with_mace
10-06-2011, 04:40 AM
Does it matter if she was wearing shorts or not? Nit picking about what the mother put the baby to bed in will not help find Lisa. I'm sorry, don't mean to offend, but I just find the unnecessary judging and scrutiny frustrating. The parents clearly love their baby and even if they don't, the fact that she had shorts on is not a clue to anything. What is a right way to dress a baby for bed for you, isn't the right way for everyone. *sigh*

Ok, am stepping away. I just really feel for the parents. There is looking at all angles of what happened to Lisa, possible parental involvement included and then there is what I consider 'trying to find fault over something that is nothing'.

No offense to anyone, but I just couldn't bite my tongue any longer. This is IMO.

JeannieC
10-06-2011, 04:48 AM
Does it matter if she was wearing shorts or not? Nit picking about what the mother put the baby to bed in will not help find Lisa. I'm sorry, don't mean to offend, but I just find the unnecessary judging and scrutiny frustrating. The parents clearly love their baby and even if they don't, the fact that she had shorts on is not a clue to anything. What is a right way to dress a baby for bed for you, isn't the right way for everyone. *sigh*

Ok, am stepping away. I just really feel for the parents. There is looking at all angles of what happened to Lisa, possible parental involvement included and then there is what I consider 'trying to find fault over something that is nothing'.

No offense to anyone, but I just couldn't bite my tongue any longer. This is IMO.

I second your emotions! The parents are victims and WS is victim friendly!

JeannieC
10-06-2011, 04:57 AM
Search for 10-month-old involves 300 officers
Tearful parents plead for Lisa Irwin’s safe return


Young said police had received 47 tips from the TIPS Hotline. Some were too vague to pursue, he said, but he encouraged people to keep calling.

“Please trust your instincts,” Young said. “If you think you have information that’s going to lead to the whereabouts of this child or the suspect, please let us know.”


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190150/as-search-continues-parents-plead.html

Buddha_with_mace
10-06-2011, 05:00 AM
I second your emotions! The parents are victims and WS is victim friendly!

Thank you SO MUCH. That makes me feel WAY better :tyou:

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 06:34 AM
I think we have to ask ourselves why Lisa? There were 3 children in the home at the time.

Was she targeted because she was closest to the window? Was she targeted because she is a baby? Was she targeted because the other 2 are boys? Was she targeted because the other 2 are from another dad?

I keep reading comments/posts how Lisa seems to be taller and heavier than a child her age. Did the abductor think Lisa was a toddler (2-3 year old?)

I still believe her abduction wasn't random. Someone who knew the family and not necessarily a family member/relative. A neighbour, a coworker, an ex friend, someone with a grudge?

Praying for a miracle and whoever has her will return her unharmed.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 06:51 AM
Good morning {hugs}


I woke up feeling very anxious. No idea what that means.




Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct. 3620 block of North Lister 64117

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.

JeannieC
10-06-2011, 06:51 AM
I think we have to ask ourselves why Lisa? There were 3 children in the home at the time.

Was she targeted because she was closest to the window? Was she targeted because she is a baby? Was she targeted because the other 2 are boys? Was she targeted because the other 2 are from another dad?

I keep reading comments/posts how Lisa seems to be taller and heavier than a child her age. Did the abductor think Lisa was a toddler (2-3 year old?)

I still believe her abduction wasn't random. Someone who knew the family and not necessarily a family member/relative. A neighbour, a coworker, an ex friend, someone with a grudge?

Praying for a miracle and whoever has her will return her unharmed.

I agree it probably wasn't random. Could be someone from a store or a place they frequented who had seen the child. Maybe even spoken to the parents.

Many times we strike up a conversation with a stranger in a store and they tend to get around to personal info. Do you live near here, etc. A woman asking doesn't usually set off a red flag. I've heard so many people in stores give out where they live, where they work, everthing about their lives.

Not me. I'm private. They get vague answers from me. That's how your house gets burglerized too.

Sometimes innocent conversation isn't innocent.

Donjeta
10-06-2011, 06:53 AM
FWIW my babies never woke up because of a wet diaper in the middle of the night when they were 10 months old so I wouldn't have considered that in choosing their night time clothing at all.

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:04 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1113&pictureid=12900

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 07:10 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1113&pictureid=12900

What the heck is in the upper right corner of that photo? Some sort of silver metal thing with an acrylic top/handle??

It's early and I haven't had any coffee yet, so it's probably something obvious...

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 07:13 AM
I keep coming back to the fact (is this a verified fact??) that the night baby Lisa was taken was the dad's very FIRST night of work. That's just too big to be a coincidence, IMO. I just keep feeling that it has to be someone who knew this ahead of time.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:15 AM
I keep coming back to the fact (is this a verified fact??) that the night baby Lisa was taken was the dad's very FIRST night of work. That's just too big to be a coincidence, IMO. I just keep feeling that it has to be someone who knew this ahead of time.

I wish that would be made clearer. First night at a new job? Did he work day shifts in the past? etc etc

If it was his first night at a job when he worked day shifts at previous jobs, it could be a huge clue, imo

raeann
10-06-2011, 07:15 AM
What the heck is in the upper right corner of that photo? Some sort of silver metal thing with an acrylic top/handle??

It's early and I haven't had any coffee yet, so it's probably something obvious...

Its a perfume bottle....Calvin Klein Euphoria I believe......

here is a picture of the bottle......GREAT scent....one of my favorites!!!!

http://www.calvinklein.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3613727

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:19 AM
I'm not sure I like that photo. No disrespect to whomever created it.

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 07:19 AM
Shelby1, thank you for the updated timeline. Lisa's threads have been growing too fast for me to keep up (busy couple of days), so that was extremely helpful. I hope that little girl is brought home soon.

As for the pyjamas- means nothing. Things my kids have slept in in the past month, some their choices and some mine- nothing, just a diaper, a shirt, pants, shorts, pyjama shorts, pyjama shirt, pyjama pants, a knight's costume, an alligator costume, underwear and a full set of pyjamas. Oh, and a housecoat. Plus they would probably try a scarf or something if I allowed it, but things around the neck are a huge no-no. I can imagine the reaction some of those would get if they made the news for some reason.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 07:28 AM
I'm not sure I like that photo. No disrespect to whomever created it.

I'm on my iPhone is it a picture of the baby's picture laying on a table? Just curious.

davehead21
10-06-2011, 07:29 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

Patty G
10-06-2011, 07:30 AM
Baby Lisa's parents will be on the Today Show this morning.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:32 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.


Wow, :eek:

That is really crazy, so the Abductor of Baby Lisa, was not only in the baby's room but somewhere where their cell phones were, Maybe a kitchen or adult bedroom?

Wow!!!

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:33 AM
What the heck is in the upper right corner of that photo? Some sort of silver metal thing with an acrylic top/handle??

It's early and I haven't had any coffee yet, so it's probably something obvious...

I'm not sure. Some sort of acrylic thing with an acrylic clip on it I thought. It's from a photo effects website. You put in the picture and it adds it to the background.

davehead21
10-06-2011, 07:34 AM
Another thing that was just reported that I missed the first time-- when the dad got home, the door was unlocked which was unusual.

They are setting up for what looks like a live national TV show but I have no clue which one.

ETA-- Patty G is in the know!! The Today Show.

Lato
10-06-2011, 07:35 AM
Today Show coverage.....now

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:36 AM
I'm not sure I like that photo. No disrespect to whomever created it.


I'm on my iPhone is it a picture of the baby's picture laying on a table? Just curious.

Yes. With flowers around it. I thought it was pretty.

Mods, remove it if it's going to cause all this. Dear God. I thought it was pretty with all the flowers. I was trying to do something nice for Lisa because I'm so worried about her.

No good deed goes unpunished.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:36 AM
If they Abductor took there cell phones and LE was there in about 30 min why didn't they start pinging those cell phones????

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 07:37 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

Wow. So the person(s) took their cell phones? Two things come to mind. First, did the person turn off the phones/take out the batteries? They should be able to get some sort of pings off at least one of them unless this was done. Secondly, no house phone?? Did the perp(s) know that?? Or did they just get "lucky" that they couldn't call 911 immediately? Oh, and while I'm at it, that means that the person who did this was in there longer than just a quick grab of the baby through a window. So what was the primary objective? Robbery or kidnapping? So many questions...

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:39 AM
Wouldn't the Father have had his cell phone with him at work??? And then been able to call once he got home...?

fran
10-06-2011, 07:40 AM
hmmm.....they took the cell phones? That's weird! I've never seen that before in a case like this. :confused:

Wonder what that's about? Seems like it COULD have been a kid or something. No one would take the cell phones and think they wouldn't get caught. But then a kid wouldn't take the baby.

Interesting,
fran

PS...imho, I'm sure they've questioned anyone in that area that's ever had a B&E in the past.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:41 AM
I wonder if Lisa's Mom and Boys had been out that day and didn't come home until late and the abductor was already in the house waiting until they all had gone to sleep...?

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 07:42 AM
I've thought all along in the back of my head that the perp came in the window and out the front door.
Please be the day she is found safe and back with her family.

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:42 AM
curtisjay1 curtis jay
with cell phones missing from the Irwin family home - can Police use GPS technology to help in their search for baby Lisa..
18 minutes ago

Irwin parents: don't know anyone who would take their baby.
27 minutes ago

Irwin Parents: baby and 3 cell phones were taken.. one phone was not even working..
28 minutes ago

Lisa Irwin's parents say their cell phone was also taken from their home...
30 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Baby Lisa Irwin's parents talking LIVE right now on NBC ACTION News.
31 minutes ago

curtis jay
@curtisjay1 Kansas City, MO
Morning Anchor KSHB -- NBC Action News
http://twitter.com/#!/curtisjay1

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 07:43 AM
I thought it was reported early on that it was LE who took the cell phones.

momtective
10-06-2011, 07:43 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

:woohoo: If they power those phones on whether they use them or not, they can be pinged. I hope the FBI is all over this one.

fran
10-06-2011, 07:44 AM
Wouldn't the Father have had his cell phone with him at work??? And then been able to call once he got home...?

Maybe the three cell phones they took belonged to the wife and the two older children, the boys.

I know my grandchildren all have cell phones. It's so their parents can keep in constant contact with them. Not at school, per se, but otherwise.

Oh, and at nite they OFTEN leave the phones on the counter. Sometimes they're charging them. It's also the best spot to put them so they don't forget them on their way out the door the next day.

Oh, fwiw, I leave mine on the counter as well. I don't have a house phone, just a cell.

JMHO
fran

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:44 AM
And just a thought, Why were there 3 cell phone?

1 for mom and

1 for dad, (who would of had his with him at work)

and then another...:waitasec:

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:44 AM
Lisa Irwin's parents terrified, but trying to stay hopeful
Parents speak to reporters Thursday morning
Posted: 6:22 AM

“When I came home from work, the front door was unlocked, most of the lights were on in the house and the window in the front was open,” Jeremy Irwin said, saying that was all very unusual.

snip

"She's everthing. She's our little girl, she's completed our family," Bradley said. "She means everything to our little boys, and we need her home. I can't be without her."

snip

"I mean we are trying to hold it together for our boys and for her. We’re trying to stay strong for her.”

We'll have video of their comments at this link in a few minutes. Refresh this page or check back here later for the video.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 07:46 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

This totally reinforces why I will never give up my land line phone..even though it would save me a ton each month. Lots of people just use their cells, and I'm not judging, but God forbid if some sort of something knocked out all of the towers or satellites.

Another thing. Did the dad not have his cell phone with him at work? :waitasec:


Another thing that was just reported that I missed the first time-- when the dad got home, the door was unlocked which was unusual.

They are setting up for what looks like a live national TV show but I have no clue which one.

ETA-- Patty G is in the know!! The Today Show.

Hmmmm....door unlocked, eh? Leads me to ask, was there a dead-bolt that was normally used? Did mom just simply forget to lock the door? I've done that.


Yes. With flowers around it. I thought it was pretty.

Mods, remove it if it's going to cause all this. Dear God. I thought it was pretty with all the flowers. I was trying to do something nice for Lisa because I'm so worried about her.

No good deed goes unpunished. No, no! I just couldn't see it on my phone very well.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 07:46 AM
I wonder if Lisa's Mom and Boys had been out that day and didn't come home until late and the abductor was already in the house waiting until they all had gone to sleep...?

Thats a good one. my house was broken into years ago i had two small children and pregnant. we came home only to find out later the intruder was hiding in the shower for a while. yep and i even went in to use the bathroom. I always check the shower to this day.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:46 AM
Maybe the three cell phones they took belonged to the wife and the two older children, the boys.

I know my grandchildren all have cell phones. It's so their parents can keep in constant contact with them. Not at school, per se, but otherwise.

Oh, and at nite they OFTEN leave the phones on the counter. Sometimes they're charging them. It's also the best spot to put them so they don't forget them on their way out the door the next day.

Oh, fwiw, I leave mine on the counter as well. I don't have a house phone, just a cell.

JMHO
fran

Thank Fran....

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 07:47 AM
I've thought all along in the back of my head that the perp came in the window and out the front door.
Please be the day she is found safe and back with her family.


Ohhhhh, duh on me, good point. Unlocked door point of EXIT, not entry.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:49 AM
Lisa Irwin's parents terrified, but trying to stay hopeful
Parents speak to reporters Thursday morning
Posted: 6:22 AM

“When I came home from work, the front door was unlocked, most of the lights were on in the house and the window in the front was open,” Jeremy Irwin said, saying that was all very unusual.

snip

"She's everthing. She's our little girl, she's completed our family," Bradley said. "She means everything to our little boys, and we need her home. I can't be without her."

snip

"I mean we are trying to hold it together for our boys and for her. We’re trying to stay strong for her.”

We'll have video of their comments at this link in a few minutes. Refresh this page or check back here later for the video.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7

RB&UBM

WHAT??? Was mom up already, I can't see the Abductor turning on lights,

Reminds me of Haleigh Cummings case...:waitasec:

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:50 AM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Deborah Bradley ( #LisaIrwin 's mom) just told us the family cell phones were also taken when they realized Lisa was gone. @NBCActionNews
31 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom says brothers found pics of lisa in her wallet & started crying, asking "where is pumpkin pie?" That's Lisa's nickname.
44 minutes ago


Lindsay Shively
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Okay. Now I'm bawling. Pumpkin pie. How cute.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 07:52 AM
RB&UBM

WHAT??? Was mom up already, I can't see the Abductor turning on lights,

Reminds me of Haleigh Cummings case...:waitasec:

Maybe she left the lights on util dad came home. I do that for my grown children when their out. I dont sleep very well until everyone is home. This reminds me of jessica lunsford.:banghead:

davehead21
10-06-2011, 07:53 AM
I've thought all along in the back of my head that the perp came in the window and out the front door.
Please be the day she is found safe and back with her family.

This is what I am leaning toward now as well. In the window, walked through the house, saw the cell phones and grabbed them, then out the front door. That would make sense why the door was unlocked. They are saying that the window that was tampered with was a window that lead into an office type room-- I am pretty sure that's what they were saying. I thought initial reports were that it was Baby Lisa's bedroom? Also, the dad said there were lights on when he returned home.

The phones-- three were on the counter, which leads me to believe in the kitchen, one wasn't in working order but they are all gone. A landline was never mentioned, nor was the dad's cell phone. I would assume he had one actually on his person while working.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 07:54 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

omg... one of the early news reports did say that their phones were taken but the way it was worded it seemed like LE... now this makes sense I will try to go back and find the article

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:55 AM
Maybe she left the lights on until dad came home. I do that for my grown children when their out. I don't sleep very well until everyone is home. This reminds me of Jessica Lunsford.:banghead:

Thank you, That seem even more odd then, That if mom left lights on and still someone came in and took Lisa and went around the house to take cell phones.....

Wow, Wow Wow.... that is some real......:furious:

luckyme
10-06-2011, 07:55 AM
omg... one of the early news reports did say that their phones were taken but the way it was worded it seemed like LE... now this makes sense I will try to go back and find the article

The uncle in a comment section on a news channel said the baby wasnt the only thing taken. now it makes sense. we were discussing this yesterday. moo :seeya:

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 07:55 AM
Maybe the three cell phones they took belonged to the wife and the two older children, the boys.

I know my grandchildren all have cell phones. It's so their parents can keep in constant contact with them. Not at school, per se, but otherwise.

Oh, and at nite they OFTEN leave the phones on the counter. Sometimes they're charging them. It's also the best spot to put them so they don't forget them on their way out the door the next day.

Oh, fwiw, I leave mine on the counter as well. I don't have a house phone, just a cell.

JMHO
fran

That's my guess, especially if the kids are old enough to be left alone for even a short amount of time and there's no landline. Or, since one was apparently not working, a new one was recently bought and all three were on the counter charging/waiting to be recycled or whatever. Another possibility is that dad might have forgotten his or left it to be charged (not used to working nights, possibly, so didn't think to charge it beforehand?) and the third is a work phone, as well.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 07:56 AM
Updated


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct. 3620 block of North Lister 64117


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011

BeanE
10-06-2011, 07:59 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1113&pictureid=12901

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
NEW pic of #LisaIrwin from parents Jeremy Irwin & Deborah Bradley twitpic.com/6vmgfs
16 hours ago

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 07:59 AM
To walk through the house with baby in arm and lights in house on then stop and grab cell phones , and if they were charging unplug them then unlock the front door and walk out.....


all the time at least 3 people in the house were sleeping.....

:eek:

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 07:59 AM
It's really strange why the cell phones were taken.
The obvious would be to prevent 911 from being called, but that would mean the perp(s) knew there was no land line.
The perp(s) may call someone on the contact list for a ransom. But they don't appear to be rolling in money unless they have a wealthy relative?
Maybe they are listed on a contact list. but surely LE has looked in to that?

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:00 AM
Dad could of had a company cell phone, and left his personal one at home. just a thought.

davehead21
10-06-2011, 08:00 AM
This totally reinforces why I will never give up my land line phone..even though it would save me a ton each month. Lots of people just use their cells, and I'm not judging, but God forbid if some sort of something knocked out all of the towers or satellites.


I will never give up my landline either, Shelby. I get teased mercilessly by my friends about it. :crazy:

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:00 AM
Baby Lisa's Parents: Cellphones Were Missing After Abduction
Detectives To Discuss Where The Search Should Go Next
POSTED: 6:20 am CDT October 6, 2011
UPDATED: 6:53 am CDT October 6, 2011

Bradley and Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin also revealed that their cellphones were missing after Monday night's abduction.

"We ran around the house screaming for her, and I said, 'Call 911," Bradley said. "And the phones weren't on the counter where we left them." Bradley said three cellphones were taken, one of which was not working.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html#ixzz1a0CbpHqo

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:01 AM
This is what I am leaning toward now as well. In the window, walked through the house, saw the cell phones and grabbed them, then out the front door. That would make sense why the door was unlocked. They are saying that the window that was tampered with was a window that lead into an office type room-- I am pretty sure that's what they were saying. I thought initial reports were that it was Baby Lisa's bedroom? Also, the dad said there were lights on when he returned home.

The phones-- three were on the counter, which leads me to believe in the kitchen, one wasn't in working order but they are all gone. A landline was never mentioned, nor was the dad's cell phone. I would assume he had one actually on his person while working.

The lights were on? I hadn't heard that yet

illinialum
10-06-2011, 08:02 AM
Omg, this case is getting so weird!! To talk through the house (probably with a baby), steal phones, leave the lights on... how confident could this person get??! Wouldn't a baby start crying? Odd, odd, odd. I'm praying for you, Lisa.

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 08:03 AM
Something doesn't sound right about all of this. Not that there is a "right" when dealing with the abduction of a child, but you know what I mean. Something just isn't sitting right with me about the details of all this. Can't put my finger on it...

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:03 AM
I wonder if the abductor had called the mom on one of those cell phones and took them all to make sure they didn't have the phone number...

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:04 AM
here was one of the posts about the cell phones.. it was a video.. but when I click on the link now it goes to a more recent video (I hate when they do that)

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #1

I will see if I can find anything else

eta: sorry... this is the correct video... but it won't play for me (I checked the date and time of the video and it is the right one LOL... I forgot what day it is LOL)

davehead21
10-06-2011, 08:05 AM
The lights were on? I hadn't heard that yet

The father said "most" of the lights were on, the door was unlocked, so that's when he started checking on the kids.

The video is up-- http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

TGIRecovered
10-06-2011, 08:06 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

I'm sorry, this cell phone thing is making me lean toward some involvement of a household member. What random intruder is going to go hunting for all of the cell phones when stealing a child from a house full of people? Sure, the phones may have happened to be on the counter , but how did the intruder know that there was no landline in the home? Did he check every room, including the master bedroom?

If someone stole all of the phones in my home in the middle of the night, my first though would be that they wanted my personal info, such as who I had been calling or texting, phone numbers of contacts, pictures saved on the phone, etc. This mom immediately thinks it was to prevent calling 911. It wouldn't take me 30 seconds to be out the door at the neighbor's house to use their phone if my child was missing!

MOO

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:07 AM
Is the Parents Bedroom on the same floor as the kids? Anyone know?

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:07 AM
To walk through the house with baby in arm and lights in house on then stop and grab cell phones , and if they were charging unplug them then unlock the front door and walk out.....


all the time at least 3 people in the house were sleeping.....

:eek:

I dont know! Is odd, but then i think back to polly klass, elizabeth smart, hayleigh, and jessica.. :furious: The perps entered their houses with people in them.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:10 AM
I don't know! Is odd, but then i think back to Polly Klaas, Elizabeth smart, Haleigh, and Jessica.. :furious: The perps entered their houses with people in them.

Thank you.....

And it is extremely frightening fact that it does happen....:cry: :banghead:

Donjeta
10-06-2011, 08:12 AM
Was anything else of value gone? Could it have been a burglary gone wrong? If someone came in to steal cell phones and other stuff and the baby woke up in the middle and they panicked and did something to silence her, and grabbed her (or her body)?

I do not understand leaving the lights on.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:13 AM
We ran around the house screaming for her, and I said, 'Call 911," Bradley said. "And the phones weren't on the counter where we left them." Bradley said three cellphones were taken, one of which was not working.


Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html#ixzz1a0IXGkS4

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Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:13 AM
I'm sorry, this cell phone thing is making me lean toward some involvement of a household member. What random intruder is going to go hunting for all of the cell phones when stealing a child from a house full of people? sure, the phones may have happened to be on the counter , but how did the intruder know that there was no landline in the home? Did he check every room, including the master bedroom?

If someone stole all of the phones in my home in the middle of the night, my first though would be that they wanted my personal info, such as who I had been calling or texting, phone numbers of contacts, pictures saved on the phone, etc. This mom immediately thinks tit was to prevent calling 911. It wouldn't take me 30 seconds to be out the door at the neighbor's house to use their phone if my child was missing!

MOO

I know what you mean, the phone thing definitely adds a new twist. I just can't wrap my head around the parents being involved. Other cases yes, not this one though. This is just a random thought but do the mom or dad have any siblings that may have a gambling debt or a drug prob that someone would want to collect on? I know I'm reaching.....
But I do have a problem with the dad not having a cell phone on him.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:15 AM
:innocent:
I will never give up my landline either, Shelby. I get teased mercilessly by my friends about it. :crazy:

ME TOO! My husband thinks it's absolutely paranoid and ridiculous that I keep it lol.

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:15 AM
JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
"She's really playful, she's really sweet, she'll go to almost anyone," said mom @NBCActionNews
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"She sleeps with her Barney and her Gloworm and her blanket," said mom @NBCActionNews
1 hour ago

"She's everything, our little girl, she completed our family," said #lisairwin's mom. "Can't live without her."
1 hour ago

JiaoJiao Shen
@JiaoJiaoShen Kansas City, MO
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justbeachy
10-06-2011, 08:16 AM
:innocent:

ME TOO! My husband thinks it's absolutely paranoid and ridiculous that I keep it lol.

I keep one, too! I use my fax machine as my excuse, though. I can't remember that last time I used the phone for actual talking...

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 08:17 AM
I'm sorry, this cell phone thing is making me lean toward some involvement of a household member. What random intruder is going to go hunting for all of the cell phones when stealing a child from a house full of people? sure, the phones may have happened to be on the counter , but how did the intruder know that there was no landline in the home? Did he check every room, including the master bedroom?

If someone stole all of the phones in my home in the middle of the night, my first though would be that they wanted my personal info, such as who I had been calling or texting, phone numbers of contacts, pictures saved on the phone, etc. This mom immediately thinks tit was to prevent calling 911. It wouldn't take me 30 seconds to be out the door at the neighbor's house to use their phone if my child was missing!

MOO

Depending on the type of phone, it might be a quick way to make a few bucks without getting traced. A sort of after thought as they walked out. As for the first thought- I imagine that it would be tainted by panic. Looking at it objectively I would reach the same "They wanted my info" or "They wanted an easy to transport source of money", but in my panic where my only thought it "Call 911, my baby is missing" taking the phone to prevent it would probably leap to mind first.

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 08:17 AM
I'm thinking that taking the phones was an afterthought. Perp enters through bedroom window, which must have been difficult to do, as we've seen from pics of that window. Takes baby, decides to leave a different way so he/she doesn't have to make a difficult exit. Goes thru kitchen, sees phones charging on counter, takes them all and leaves through the door?

But why break in to begin with? Was it to take the baby? Was the original plan robbery (doubtful, IMO, as most thieves are more interested in just getting the goods and getting out, without any confrontation with people, or complicating a simple burglary with kidnapping)?

Just thinking out loud... :waitasec:

Poor baby and family. So scary that there is absolutely no solid lead at all. :cry:

Veritas
10-06-2011, 08:18 AM
Maybe grabbed phones so they wouldn't ring and awaken anyone?

How old are the boys?

What was that mention that the GRANDPARENTS had a phone stolen also? Or did they just also mention that the phones were gone?

Angleena
10-06-2011, 08:18 AM
Many people use their cell phones to take pictures. There are probably various pictures of Lisa on those phones at various ages, even as a newborn. A person trying to pass Lisa off as their own would want more pictures of her, people would be less suspicious if there are pictures of the child at all ages.

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 08:18 AM
JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen
"She's really playful, she's really sweet, she'll go to almost anyone," said mom @NBCActionNews
1 hour ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

"She sleeps with her Barney and her Gloworm and her blanket," said mom @NBCActionNews
1 hour ago
"She's everything, our little girl, she completed our family," said #lisairwin's mom. "Can't live without her."
1 hour ago

JiaoJiao Shen
@JiaoJiaoShen Kansas City, MO
Morning anchor at NBC Action News. Proud mother of three crazy dogs. Runner, aspiring chef and engaged to an amazing man! Email: shen@nbcactionnews.com
http://www.nbcactionnews.com
http://twitter.com/#!/JiaoJiaoShen

BBM

So, is it safe to assume that the gloworm and blankie were left in the crib? We know Barney was because we saw it on the video. I'm guessing the others were left as well or we would have heard it by now.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:18 AM
O/T The prosecutor in the Shaniya Davis case will seek death for Mario Mcneil, but not the mother. I will post link in her thread.

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:20 AM
This morning's Today show video:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44798685#44798685

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:23 AM
ABC Good Morning America - article
Good Morning America – 23 minutes ago

They were interrogated by police late into Tuesday night, but police said they are not suspects.

"The truth is that the family...[has been] cooperative since the get-go," Police Capt. Steve Young said. "That being said, everything is still on the table. We frankly don't have anything to justify elimination [of any possible scenario]."

Police are baffled by the case and have admitted that they have "next to nothing to go on."

At the news conference, Police Capt. Steve Young said police have received 47 tips and over 300 law enforcement officials have been involved.

However, the massive police and FBI search has come up empty so far.

There are no suspects and no leads, police said.

"Everything we've thought of doing, we've done two or three times at this point," Young said. "With any investigation, the longer time goes on without a conclusion, the more difficult it becomes. But that doesn't mean we're letting up. We're doing everything we can possibly think of."

http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisas-parents-emotional-plea-her-return-062831685.html

fran
10-06-2011, 08:24 AM
To walk through the house with baby in arm and lights in house on then stop and grab cell phones , and if they were charging unplug them then unlock the front door and walk out.....


all the time at least 3 people in the house were sleeping.....

:eek:


There were people home in ALL of the recent abductions with children, and older cases as well.

Other than the Klaas case, which was different, younger children like VanDam etc., everyone slept right through the abduction.

We've seen a NUMBER of reasons these guys have abducted the children. But you have to believe someone who abducts a baby, WANTS a baby because they can't speak and they're young enough to change their name, etc.

A few of these cases we've seen, were B&E's that turned into abductions. Meaning, that wasn't the original motive for the break-in, but the opportunity arose and they ran with it. Like Jessica Lundsford. That guy had a record of breakins. A long record. But had only molested one other child prior to abducting Jessica. The other times he just stole things.

JMHo
fran

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:25 AM
Theories:


1. Very well planned abduction. Perp(s) knew when dad was out, what time the rest of the family went to bed, no land line, where all cell phones kept. Perp(s) targeted a family with blond, blue eyed child that is not old enough to remember anything. Perp(s) are not related to family.

1a. Abduction in order to have their own child.

2a. Abduction in order to sell child.

3a. Abduction because perp(s) are child molesters.


2. Very well planned abduction and perp(s) are related to family.

1a. Ex husband or ex wife of Debbie or Jeremy. Revenge purposes.

2a. Distant family member....unknown reasons.

3. Not planned, just dang lucky and in drug-induced state perp(s) see child and split second decide to take her to sell for money.


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Feel free to add to this....I lean towards #1.

momtective
10-06-2011, 08:26 AM
Jeremy provided authorities with the names of 9 individuals who may have had something to do with Lisa's abduction.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44798685#44798685

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:27 AM
Kansas City Police say they are looking into a possible sighting of Lisa Irwin at a St. Joseph truck stop, but the lead does not appear to be a major break in the case

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/kansas-city-police-investigate-possible-sighting-of-lisa-irwin-in-saint-joseph--missouri#ixzz1a0M2zyJR


sigh....

PoppyH
10-06-2011, 08:27 AM
God be with these heartbroken parents, please bring baby Lisa home saftley to them and her brothers, this is so heartbreaking:(

illinialum
10-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Jeremy provided authorities with the names of 9 individuals who may have had something to do with Lisa's abduction.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44798685#44798685

Nine individuals? Hmmm, makes you wonder...

Darn it, again I'm going to be late for work because of WS!

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Is a reward being offered yet?

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:30 AM
Jeremy provided authorities with the names of 9 individuals who may have had something to do with Lisa's abduction.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44798685#44798685

This is the theory i was leaning towards.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:31 AM
There were people home in ALL of the recent abductions with children, and older cases as well.

Other than the Klaas case, which was different, younger children like VanDam etc., everyone slept right through the abduction.

We've seen a NUMBER of reasons these guys have abducted the children. But you have to believe someone who abducts a baby, WANTS a baby because they can't speak and they're young enough to change their name, etc.

A few of these cases we've seen, were B&E's that turned into abductions. Meaning, that wasn't the original motive for the break-in, but the opportunity arose and they ran with it. Like Jessica Lundsford. That guy had a record of breakins. A long record. But had only molested one other child prior to abducting Jessica. The other times he just stole things.

JMHo
fran


YES, I agree 100% it happens way to often,

And I know of burglary's that have happened in broad day light while the family was sitting in the dinning room having dinner...


:banghead:

annmarie62
10-06-2011, 08:33 AM
Oh man, this case is truly making me very upset and worried! I feel so badly for the parents; they seem to be extremely sincere. I guess I understand why the Amber Alert was lifted- without any type of description of an abductor or vehicle, there is nothing to go on... there are, I'm sure, many, many similar-looking (from a distance/through a car window, anyway) baby girls riding in vehicles at this very minute. On the TODAY show this a.m., there was a comment to the effect that the parents had given LE some "9 or 10" names of possible suspects (?)... that seemed VERY odd to me! What does LE know that we don't, I wonder? Also, I agree w/many of you that whoever did this knew the father wouldn't be home from work until the wee hours of the morning. Still, this was a brash kidnapping; someone was pretty confident that he/she wouldn't be caught- I wonder why? The baby could have woken up and cried, one of the THREE other people in the home could have heard something... I pray little Lisa is found alive- and SOON!

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:33 AM
I think the perp took the cell phones to keep them from making a call. I bet they are thrown away or dumped somewhere at this point (could be the reason for the searching and re searching of the wooded areas)

Could be possible the perp went in the window and out the front door (thusly why front door was unlocked)

just thinking out loud.

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 08:34 AM
I was shocked that they came up with 9 people as "possible" people who would be involved. I don't think I could come up with 1 in my group of friends/acquaitances. But, then again, when your child is in danger, EVERYONE looks suspicious I would imagine.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:35 AM
I would like to hear more about the lady found dead on the side of the road. moo

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:36 AM
Do we know the layout of the house?

Was the kitchen in the backside of the house

and the living room in the front where the front door was and unlocked,

Was Lisa's room the last one on the hall way?

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 08:38 AM
I think the perp took the cell phones to keep them from making a call. I bet they are thrown away or dumped somewhere at this point (could be the reason for the searching and re searching of the wooded areas)

Could be possible the perp went in the window and out the front door (thusly why front door was unlocked)

just thinking out loud.

I agree. Even just a 5 minute delay in calling 911 is a head start. Also, if 2 people were involved, one could have tossed the cell phones in a completely opposite direction in order to confuse the investigators.

Elley Mae
10-06-2011, 08:39 AM
I wonder if LE was able to get a location on one of the phones? or if they tried.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:39 AM
9 possible suspects.


A group of some sort? Church? Occult related?

Angelonline
10-06-2011, 08:40 AM
I have to say, mom must have been a very heavy sleeper and the boys as well. I previously lived in a home about the size of theirs and if someone opened a window, came in it, took my baby, turned on a lot of lights, took 3 phones of the counter, and left out the front door- there is absolutely no way, that someone in our household either me or one of my kids would not have woken up.. So if this is someone outside the immediate family (the parents do seem very sincere) then maybe it was someone who knew mom and boys were a deep sleepers? Or someone drugged all three?? Seems farfetched, but I am not sure what would explain this.
My hinky meter is in overtime this morning...

luckyme
10-06-2011, 08:41 AM
9 possible suspects.


A group of some sort? Church? Occult related?

Or something that someone in the family was involved in at sometime or another.:twocents:

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 08:43 AM
9 possible suspects.


A group of some sort? Church? Occult related?

BBM. I seriously doubt this is the case. More likely, dad listed any and all people he could think of where he had disagreements, or they acted off/odd, or had issues with other family members. There are not occult cults going around and kidnapping babies, just as there are not occult members running daycare centers and molesting toddlers.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 08:43 AM
Do we know the layout of the house?

Was the kitchen in the backside of the house

and the living room in the front where the front door was and unlocked,

Was Lisa's room the last one on the hall way?

Looks to me like a typical 70s ranch layout. I grew up in one similar. Front door entered into living area, past the living area was the kitchen, hallway to the right with 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 08:45 AM
I wonder if the baby monitor was also disconnected. I'd bet some good money that it was unplugged or turned off knowing now that the cell phones were taken.

tlcya
10-06-2011, 08:46 AM
This case resonates with me so much because it represents one of my biggest fears. The very idea that you can be going about your hum drum life. Tuck your children into bed, and go to sleep. To have some unknown person come into your home (your HOME!) as you sleep and take your precious child. It is the stuff of nightmares.

I would be hard pressed to come up with 1 person who might want to come and snatch my child in the night. I am sure most of us would. But in these parents shoes, with my child gone, I am betting that I could come up with someone who gave me a hard look at the grocery store. That neighbor down the way who I had a dispute with two years back. That girl I used to work with who seemed to hate me for some reason. My husband's ex gf.

If hard pressed and in this situation. I am pretty sure I could come up with a list of possible people who didn't like me or might wish me harm. Granted, none of these people probably DID me harm. But when pressed for people who didn't like me, these are the sorts of names I would come up with.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:46 AM
Looks to me like a typical 70s ranch layout. I grew up in one similar. Front door entered into living area, past the living area was the kitchen, hallway to the right with 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom.

Thank you SurfieTx... Wonder why they went out front where the street was and they could have been easily seen and not the back door that goes out to wooded back yard? :waitasec:

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:46 AM
BBM. I seriously doubt this is the case. More likely, dad listed any and all people he could think of where he had disagreements, or they acted off/odd, or had issues with other family members. There are not occult cults going around and kidnapping babies, just as there are not occult members running daycare centers and molesting toddlers.

I was just throwing ideas out.


Could you explain this more? I think I need more coffee lol.

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Good Morning All! Well not good cause this baby is not home yet!

I'm not liking this info re:3 cell phones taken.?? Moms and whose eles. I'm assuming that the dad had his on him. Whose were the other 2? Maybe older siblings of Lisa?
And to me the perp had to know it was dad's 1st night on the job so why would the perp think taking the cell phones would help since dad would b home w/ his @ some point?
Also the cell companies will b able to get info on calls or location, hopefully.

K I'm just gonna sit back & read & pray someone is taking good care of this baby. Hate this feeling.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Baby Lisa's parents were just interviewed this morning. I saw it on KMBC but the video isn't yet up on their website. It was really difficult to watch-- the mother was, understandably, very emotional.

One new piece of information-- their phones were taken as well. The mother said, "So we couldn't call 911." She said there were, I believe, 3 cell phones on the counter that were missing as well.

Wow. Why would they take the 3 cell phones?

Elley Mae
10-06-2011, 08:48 AM
I was just throwing ideas out.


Could you explain this more? I think I need more coffee lol.

Me Too

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:50 AM
Did they not have a land line? OK...this is getting more and more suspicious. Would the perp (s) have known that? Therefore delaying 911 call?

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:52 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

the window that was left open per the video was the 'computer room'

momtective
10-06-2011, 08:52 AM
I wish we knew where Jeremy worked previous to his new job....the 9 individuals he named could have been former co-workers.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:53 AM
9 possible suspects.


A group of some sort? Church? Occult related?

Drugs? Gambling? Loan Sharks?

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:54 AM
Was anything else taken besides the baby and 3 cell phones?

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:54 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

the window that was left open per the video was the 'computer room'

So if one of the 3 bedrooms upstairs was a computer room and one was baby Lisa's and the other was the Boy's....

Did the parents have a bed room in the finished basement?

and maybe that is why Mom didn't hear anything? :waitasec:

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:55 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

the window that was left open per the video was the 'computer room'


I watched the news report you posted earlier. That window is REALLY far off the ground. A lot further than I thought from seeing the earlier pictures.

SuziQ
10-06-2011, 08:57 AM
I know what you mean, the phone thing definitely adds a new twist. I just can't wrap my head around the parents being involved. Other cases yes, not this one though. This is just a random thought but do the mom or dad have any siblings that may have a gambling debt or a drug prob that someone would want to collect on? I know I'm reaching.....
But I do have a problem with the dad not having a cell phone on him.

BBM. I must have missed this? How do we know this? TIA

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:57 AM
Something was on those cellphones that the perp (s) needed to destroy, imo.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:57 AM
Was anything else taken besides the baby and 3 cell phones?

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

in this video mom answered that question. She said that:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

Buddha_with_mace
10-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Whoa! Lisa has just been one of the top stories on our national UK news! Looks like the case is going worldwide, which is nothing but fantastic.

I have to agree with some of you guys, the prospect of it being someone who knows off the family is becoming more and more likely. Or at least someone who has never met them but has been 'watching' them *shudders*

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 08:58 AM
the father could have had a work cell phone (my dh does)... he does not take his personal one to work

just throwing that out there

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Something was on those cellphones that the perp (s) needed to destroy, imo.

Thanks ~n/t~

:yes:

That's what I am thinking also.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:59 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

in this video mom answered that question. She said that:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know


Thanks Nursebeeme I'm going to add this to our timeline, if that's ok.

momtective
10-06-2011, 08:59 AM
I don't think the 9 were working together as a group. I think Jeremy gave them the individual names of 9 separate people who he felt were weird enough to take his baby. Maybe a former co-worker, a former neighbor, someone he or Deb might have po'ed, a former babysitter maybe...just people in general who had contact or relationship with the family and knew Lisa and their home. This is simply my opinion though, and is based on pure speculation.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 09:01 AM
the father could have had a work cell phone (my dh does)... he does not take his personal one to work

just throwing that out there

Yes i too had work phone. I never took my personal one too work. Everyone knew too reach me on co phone.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:01 AM
Is a reward being offered yet?

Good question. If not, why?

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 09:01 AM
I was just throwing ideas out.


Could you explain this more? I think I need more coffee lol.

It's a fairly common urban legend that occult groups run daycares and such to indoctrine the children and molest them. It seems to have stemmed from these two incidents (excuse the Wiki link, it's a good summary) a (now discredited) book called Michelle Remembers and the McMartin Preschool trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#Michelle_Remembers_and_the_Mc Martin_preschool_trial) and the Day care sex abuse hysteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (another Wiki link) of the 1980s and early 1990s.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 09:02 AM
KC Star background article, interesting stuff:

‘Stranger danger’ is rare, but all too real (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190144/stranger-danger-is-rare-but-too.html)


There is no doubt stranger abductions happen: Nancy Peaster knows a little of what the wait to find 10-month-old Lisa Irwin is like.

“I remember feeling so terribly helpless and frustrated,” Peaster said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

In 2004, a stranger sneaked inside her home in Cole Camp, Mo., and snatched her newborn son, Jesse, from his bassinet. Peaster endured suspicion from police and agony as day turned to night before police found her son unharmed. A Kansas City woman, now in prison, had met Peaster in the hospital after Jesse’s birth and was desperate for a baby of her own.

“Just tell them that we know how they feel and our prayers are with them,” Peaster said of Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, whose daughter on Tuesday was reported abducted from their home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue
---
much more at link above - mostly experts speaking about the topic

Jacie Estes
10-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Lisa Irwin's parents terrified, but trying to stay hopeful
Parents speak to reporters Thursday morning
Posted: 6:22 AM

“When I came home from work, the front door was unlocked, most of the lights were on in the house and the window in the front was open,” Jeremy Irwin said, saying that was all very unusual.

snip

"She's everthing. She's our little girl, she's completed our family," Bradley said. "She means everything to our little boys, and we need her home. I can't be without her."

snip

"I mean we are trying to hold it together for our boys and for her. We’re trying to stay strong for her.”

We'll have video of their comments at this link in a few minutes. Refresh this page or check back here later for the video.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7

So so sad, let this be the day she is found.

Truthwillsetufree
10-06-2011, 09:02 AM
This scares the livin' daylights out of me.
If this was in fact an abduction, the perp (in MHO) has done this before.
It would require nerves of steel and a big set of cajones to break into a window, go throught a house, confiscate cell phones, go to the baby's room, get the baby up and out of the crib without waking the baby, walk to the front door, get it unlocked and out the front on his way without waking the three other people inside.
I'm guessing there were no dogs and no alarm system....how lucky for this intruder....
Prayers for this Beautiful child.......

tlcya
10-06-2011, 09:02 AM
3 phones, one of which is reported to have been non-working. So two working phones, one adult in the home.

1 phone = mom's (most likely)
1 phone = maybe dad's (probably not, more likely his is at work with him)

It ocurs to me that the second working phone in the home that night may be being used as a "home phone"

My SIL got a plan a few years back that offered 3 phones for the low low price of $___ . . . if you signed the two year contract for service.

She disconnected her land line. Used 1 cel phone as hers, gave the 2nd to her teenage son, and then used the 3rd as their "home phone". This phone always stayed in the home and was the one she listed as the home phone on documents requiring a phone number. It rarely got used for outgoing calls, but it kept sales calls, collections calls, etc from going to her main phone which she carried with her. That way she could screen the calls on teh "home phone" and return them at her convenience.

It is also possible that one of the cel phones was being used as the "business" phone.

Forgive me if this has been covered. Has it been confirmed that dad started a new job that night (as in with an employer)? I have read that dad is an electrician and often different job sites are described as a new "job".

I am wondering if he started work on a new job site and not with a new employer. Do we know that dad is not self employed as an electrical contractor? If he started work at a new job site, this could also explain the oddness of work hours (nighttime). Often when contractors are working on commercial buildings it is necessary to perform the work at night, after business hours, so as not to disrupt normal business.

Just thinking out loud.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
the father could have had a work cell phone (my dh does)... he does not take his personal one to work

just throwing that out there

I agree. Every company where my DH worked provided a work van/truck also provided a Nextel phone. As far as the one phone not working, that could be easily explained in a home with kids - it was washed, dropped in a toilet, dropped, kicked, etc.

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
BBM. I seriously doubt this is the case. More likely, dad listed any and all people he could think of where he had disagreements, or they acted off/odd, or had issues with other family members. There are not occult cults going around and kidnapping babies, just as there are not occult members running daycare centers and molesting toddlers.



I was just throwing ideas out.


Could you explain this more? I think I need more coffee lol.


Sure. See: Kern County child abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Kern County child abuse cases started the day care sexual abuse hysteria of the 1980s in Kern County, California.[1] The cases involved claims of Satanic ritual abuse that were performed by pedophile sex rings with as many as 60 children testifying they had been abused. At least 36 people were convicted and most of them spent years imprisoned. 34 convictions were overturned on appeal. The district attorney responsible for the convictions was Ed Jagels,[2] who was sued by at least one of those whose conviction was overturned,[3] and who remained in office until 2009.[4] Two of the convicted died in prison and were unable to clear their names.

Any time the theory that an occult group was involved in a crime against a child or children, this is what I think of. Occult groups which prey on children are very, very rare, if they even exist at all. You may have someone acting solo, with a mental disorder which fixates on the occult, but that's not an occult group, nor is it actual practice.

Groups/Beliefs/Religions/Sects which actually perform ritual sacrifices (generally chickens), do not sacrifice babies. Many beliefs/religions that are termed occult do not even practice ritual sacrifice.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
It's a fairly common urban legend that occult groups run daycares and such to indoctrine the children and molest them. It seems to have stemmed from these two incidents (excuse the Wiki link, it's a good summary) a (now discredited) book called Michelle Remembers and the McMartin Preschool trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#Michelle_Remembers_and_the_Mc Martin_preschool_trial) and the Day care sex abuse hysteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sex_abuse_hysteria) (another Wiki link) of the 1980s and early 1990s.


Ohhhhh, ok, I've never even heard of this! When I threw that idea out, I wasn't meaning this specific thing.

Thank you for helping me understand.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Sure. See: Kern County child abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_child_abuse_cases)



Any time the theory that an occult group was involved in a crime against a child or children, this is what I think of. Occult groups which prey on children are very, very rare, if they even exist at all. You may have someone acting solo, with a mental disorder which fixates on the occult, but that's not an occult group, nor is it actual practice.

Groups/Beliefs/Religions/Sects which actually perform ritual sacrifices (generally chickens), do not sacrifice babies. Many beliefs/religions that are termed occult do not even practice ritual sacrifice.


Thank you for helping me. I've never heard of this before!

I was just throwing ideas off the top of my head.

The nine suspects just made me think of some kind of "group".

fraudqueen
10-06-2011, 09:05 AM
OMG!! He also said the lights were on in her room...what is going on? Who turns on a light to kidnap a baby? And stops to pick up the phones? I don't like the sounds of this...don't know what to think.
As for entering by using the window...my LE hubby looked at the pictures and said getting in would be a piece of cake.
everything MOO

Elley Mae
10-06-2011, 09:08 AM
BBM. I must have missed this? How do we know this? TIA


http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

Bradley and Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin also revealed that their cellphones were missing after Monday night's abduction.

Truthwillsetufree
10-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Drugs? Gambling? Loan Sharks?

This is often the first thing that pops into people's mind when there has been a kidnapping or abduction. My thinking is that, a drug dealer or a loan shark do not want the hassle of a 10 month old baby nor would they want the full force of LE breathing down their necks. Drug dealers and Loan Sharks want Money, not babies. JMO FWIW.

SuziQ
10-06-2011, 09:08 AM
3 phones=Mom and two sons.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 09:09 AM
with the three cell phones sitting on the counter in sight they could have been taken as an after thought (moo)

If the door was unlocked and a window was open most likely the perp went in the window and out the door (unlocking it from the inside)

dad most likely had a work cell phone (I am sure all current electric would provide that sort of thing) most likely that is what he called 911 on


this is all just my opinion... I don't think the phones were taken because they had something on them...

again just moo

SuziQ
10-06-2011, 09:10 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html

Bradley and Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin also revealed that their cellphones were missing after Monday night's abduction.

I think they were speaking in general. IMO. It doesn't state dad didn't have his phone.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 09:10 AM
one of the cell phones didn't work and mom was in the midst of transfering her contacts (she says in the video)


I am thinking the cell phones were dad and mom's personal cell phones and one of them broke/one was a new replacement


again moo

SarahW
10-06-2011, 09:12 AM
I thought it was reported early on that it was LE who took the cell phones.

I'm guessing that was garbled by a reporter...who misunderstood the meaning of "taken cellphones". I think that info was reported second hand, through relatives...and misunderstood .

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Is there a presser scheduled for 9:00 a.m. today?

Shyla
10-06-2011, 09:16 AM
I am not trying to be lazy and not read the previous threads but I can't keep up. So if I am understanding this correctly, Mom put baby down for the night, dad came home from work at 3 a.m. and found Lisa missing....is that right? Poor sweet baby, I have prayed for her safe return. :(

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:17 AM
This is often the first thing that pops into people's mind when there has been a kidnapping or abduction. My thinking is that, a drug dealer or a loan shark do not want the hassle of a 10 month old baby nor would they want the full force of LE breathing down their necks. Drug dealers and Loan Sharks want Money, not babies. JMO FWIW.

I was just throwing out theories based on Lisa's age. She is only 10 months old and can easily be sold for $$$.

You give me the money or your kid is gone type of scenario.

SarahW
10-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Maybe the cellphones were "pinged" and that's why the rap ell down the cliff was described as "not arbitrary".


Disposing of cellphones wouldn't destroy cell phone usage records, so it's not like tossing them would hide Any act of the parents. but why didn't Dad have a cell with him at work.? He must have had one on his person or in the truck.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct. 3620 block of North Lister 64117

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

__________________________________________________ ___________________





Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

jd3223
10-06-2011, 09:19 AM
The lights being on should not be a big deal. When my husband is not home I tend to turn on the porch lights and might even leave a light on in the kitchen. She may have left lights on for her husband so he wouldn't bump into things when he came in from work.

My children have some lamps that you turn on by touch. They have a 60 watt bulb so the first touch is 20 watts, the second is 40 watts, and the third touch is 60 watts. They may have used a lamp in her room as a night light. It's easier to check on your baby in the night if it isn't pitch black.

We also have sound machines in all the children's rooms. That way if our dog barks, or one of the kids call out it doesn't wake the other kids.

I think the suspicion comes from us not wanting to believe that this was random. If it is random that means it could truly happen to any of us.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Sorry...the thread is moving so fast so don't know who posted that mom flagged down LE in the yard.

Who called 911 and from where? :waitasec:

Elley Mae
10-06-2011, 09:20 AM
I would like to see the phone records. I think I'll sit back on this one for awhile. Something doesn't smell right.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 09:24 AM
In the video the father says, when he came home he saw that "most of the lights were on", so than he right away started running around checking on the kids.

With him saying that, it make me think the lights being on would not have been a "normal occurrence" otherwise he wouldn't have right away started running around checking on the kids.

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 09:25 AM
Sorry...the thread is moving so fast so don't know who posted that mom flagged down LE in the yard.

Who called 911 and from where? :waitasec:

Remember reports that dad went banging on neighbors doors? Perhaps a neighbor loaned their phone.

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:26 AM
Sorry...the thread is moving so fast so don't know who posted that mom flagged down LE in the yard.

Who called 911 and from where? :waitasec:

I'm looking to find the answers...here's what I've found so far:


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

"We ran around the house screaming for her, and I said, 'Call 911," Bradley said. "And the phones weren't on the counter where we left them." Bradley said three cellphones were taken, one of which was not working.


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0YENQcL

Wanting2Help
10-06-2011, 09:28 AM
Jeremy provided authorities with the names of 9 individuals who may have had something to do with Lisa's abduction.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44798685#44798685

I dont have sound on this computer. Can someone tell me what this video says? TIA!

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:30 AM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house. UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct. 3620 block of North Lister 64117

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

__________________________________________________ ___________________





Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

Truthwillsetufree
10-06-2011, 09:30 AM
I would like to see the phone records. I think I'll sit back on this one for awhile. Something doesn't smell right.

Yep, nothing smells right when a child is missing. I too, will wait to draw any conclusions. After following so many of these missing children my suspicions run in all directions now......

raeann
10-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Dad on phone with Fox now..... he arrived home to find front door unlocked, lights on, Lisa to bed at 7 pm, mom to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa, five year old son was in room with mom sleeping, police told them they do not think window was a point of entry, other info was mostly what has been stated previously.

Duke Fan4
10-06-2011, 09:32 AM
The dad was just interviewed on Fox News Channel by Matha McCallum. He said the LE told him the window was not a point of entry and no forced entry at door that the door was probably left unlocked.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:33 AM
The fact that dad gave names of 9 possible suspects is very concerning. How many of us, God forbid, would have a child taken and think of 9 suspects?

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 09:33 AM
I wonder if mom volunteered at the school. Were the boys involved in any extracurricular sports activities? Had a previously unknown person inject themselves into these activities posing as a new resident?

Blue Ridge
10-06-2011, 09:34 AM
*snip*

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7

Catching up here, have read all three threads this morning. Just wanted to say I just watched this video and it is obvious to me Lisa's mother is simply terrified for her little girl....please Lord I pray, let precious Baby Lisa be found, alive and safe, today.

tlcya
10-06-2011, 09:35 AM
The lights being on should not be a big deal. When my husband is not home I tend to turn on the porch lights and might even leave a light on in the kitchen. She may have left lights on for her husband so he wouldn't bump into things when he came in from work.

My children have some lamps that you turn on by touch. They have a 60 watt bulb so the first touch is 20 watts, the second is 40 watts, and the third touch is 60 watts. They may have used a lamp in her room as a night light. It's easier to check on your baby in the night if it isn't pitch black.

We also have sound machines in all the children's rooms. That way if our dog barks, or one of the kids call out it doesn't wake the other kids.

I think the suspicion comes from us not wanting to believe that this was random. If it is random that means it could truly happen to any of us.

BBM as to the lights. It was reported that when Dad came home from work the front door was unlocked and several lights were on in the home. He found this unusual, as it was not the normal practice for lights to be burning in the home when all were asleep.

This leads me to feel the lights were a big deal and suggests that the perp or perps turned them on and left them on. It also suggests that the perp(s) exited through the front door, leaving it unlocked on their way out.


snipped

Jeremy Irwin says he immediately knew something was wrong when he returned home from work early Tuesday. After checking on his 6- and 8-year-old sons he went to the bedroom of his daughter, Lisa, and found her gone.

http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/280105/3/Parents-of-missing-baby-make-tearful-plea

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Ron Ikenberg sat on his front porch Wednesday night and watched FBI and police continue to search for Lisa.
"An FBI agent was in that dumpster ripping open bags of trash just to see if there was any evidence. They have been thorough. All we can do is keep your eyes open and call police if we see anything suspicious," said Ikenberg.

In the last two days police said they have searched at least 300 homes surrounding the north Kansas City home where 10- month-old Lisa Irwin was last seen at 10:30 Monday night.
People like Ron and Jasmine Thatch opened their doors when police asked to search.
“They just walked through and asked names; police looked in closets," said Jasmine Thatch.


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-hope-cooperating-with-law-enforcement-will-help-find-lisa-irwin#ixzz1a0di1Kcn

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sorry if this was already posted

luckyme
10-06-2011, 09:37 AM
The fact that dad gave names of 9 possible suspects is very concerning. How many of us, God forbid, would have a child taken and think of 9 suspects?

Im with u on this.

jacy
10-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Catching up here, have read all three threads this morning. Just wanted to say I just watched this video and it is obvious to me Lisa's mother is simply terrified for her little girl....please Lord I pray, let precious Baby Lisa be found, alive and safe, today.I feel the same. I thought the way she moved from bouts of sobbing to speaking clearly and calmly was a very valid display of emotion. I cried with her. I pray today is the day Lisa is returned.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:38 AM
The dad was just interviewed on Fox News Channel by Megan Kelly. He said the LE told him the window was not a point of entry and no forced entry at door that the door was probably left unlocked.

Or someone had a key? :banghead:

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:40 AM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

__________________________________________________ ___________________





Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

SilkySifaka
10-06-2011, 09:40 AM
It's really strange why the cell phones were taken.
The obvious would be to prevent 911 from being called, but that would mean the perp(s) knew there was no land line.
The perp(s) may call someone on the contact list for a ransom. But they don't appear to be rolling in money unless they have a wealthy relative?
Maybe they are listed on a contact list. but surely LE has looked in to that?

Within a certain age group no land lines are really common and they may not have thought of it.

Other possibility is they were there and easily pocketed with no time lost so he grabbed them, with no plan re 911 just wanted them.

Leads me to think someone impulsive. Which makes sense because if it was he who turned on the lights, that would be impulsive.

I can see it with ppl sleeping if bedroom doors are closed. He could tell too in a bungalow.

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 09:42 AM
The fact that dad gave names of 9 possible suspects is very concerning. How many of us, God forbid, would have a child taken and think of 9 suspects?

I don't know, if I had a child missing, I'd name anyone and everyone who had ever given me so much as a dirty look.

tlcya
10-06-2011, 09:44 AM
i don't know, if i had a child missing, i'd name anyone and everyone who had ever given me so much as a dirty look.

this!

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 09:45 AM
I'm looking to find the answers...here's what I've found so far:


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

"We ran around the house screaming for her, and I said, 'Call 911," Bradley said. "And the phones weren't on the counter where we left them." Bradley said three cellphones were taken, one of which was not working.


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0YENQcL



All that I can find is that the father called 911 at 4:00 a.m.

davehead21
10-06-2011, 09:45 AM
Within a certain age group no land lines are really common and they may not have thought of it.

Other possibility is they were there and easily pocketed with no time lost so he grabbed them, with no plan re 911 just wanted them.

Leads me to think someone impulsive. Which makes sense because if it was he who turned on the lights, that would be impulsive.

I can see it with ppl sleeping if bedroom doors are closed. He could tell too in a bungalow.

Your comment about the age group-- does anyone know how old Baby Lisa's parents are? I just cannot tell at all. I'm just wondering out of curiosity.

Mandy113
10-06-2011, 09:46 AM
I don't know, if I had a child missing, I'd name anyone and everyone who had ever given me so much as a dirty look.

They also have had prior relationships so I can understand if they named their exes as possibilities. Really, I'm sure I'd be trying to think of anyone I'd had interactions with, especially lately.

Please let today be the day baby Lisa is taken back home to her family.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 09:46 AM
Within a certain age group no land lines are really common and they may not have thought of it.

Other possibility is they were there and easily pocketed with no time lost so he grabbed them, with no plan re 911 just wanted them.

Leads me to think someone impulsive. Which makes sense because if it was he who turned on the lights, that would be impulsive.

I can see it with ppl sleeping if bedroom doors are closed. He could tell too in a bungalow.

Or, inexperience and fear/nerves. I get the feeling the perp is female.

hollye
10-06-2011, 09:46 AM
Okay, I was trying to figure out the layout of this house. After looking at several homes in the neighborhood, I am inclined to believe that the area to the right of the 1st set of windows is an add on. I put a box around the area that I believe to be added on. With that add on, they could have added the computer room and maybe another room and/or an additional bathroom, which would mean that all bedrooms could likely have been on the same floor in the same part of the house.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee226/acreesefamily/IrwinHouse.jpg

If you look at the house to the left next door, their house has the same front with a garage, but flip-flopped. They also added on, but did so at the back of the house. you can see this from the aerial view on Google maps.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:47 AM
Oh my goodness.....so heartbreaking to watch the video.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7


Please whoever has her, bring her back to her mommy and daddy and her brothers who miss her. :cry:

In da Middle
10-06-2011, 09:48 AM
Thank you SurfieTx... Wonder why they went out front where the street was and they could have been easily seen and not the back door that goes out to wooded back yard? :waitasec:

The house does not lead to a wooded back yard. The yard is fenced and the neighbors on the street behind's back yard meets theirs. I am not sure if their yard if fenced per se, but the other houses on both sides and behind are. I think that yard is fenced, but just dont close what would be a driveway fence on the south side of the house. But, yes, the down the street is what is befuddling me.:waitasec: There is really no covert exit from there, especially if carting a baby around. They would at the very least IMO have to have a duffel bag or similar.

EllaMae
10-06-2011, 09:48 AM
I've thought all along in the back of my head that the perp came in the window and out the front door.
Please be the day she is found safe and back with her family.



I also thought that very same thing. I never thought he/she tried to get out the window with a baby.

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 09:49 AM
so the perp is brazen enough to steal a child.
Knows the layout of the house. took the time to split the screen to make it look like point of entry.
Perp also felt comfortable to not only turn on multiple lights but leave them burning. Has the where withall to think of the family possibly waking and calling 911 on cell phone,so perp grabs 3 cell phones & walk out the front door w/ Lisa!? And quietly enough to no wake anyone. All in a time frame of dads 1st night at work.?

I'm just talking it out...

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 09:51 AM
Have LE said publicly for people to watch for others who may have talked about adopting, recently, and now have a newly adopted child? Or maybe people who say they are caring for a relative's or friend's baby for them temporarily, or similar? SOMEONE has this baby, and statistically, as they have stated on news reports, most infants who are taken are found alive. So this baby is alive somewhere, with someone, who has had to invent a reason that they suddenly have her. I feel strongly they should make a statement like this, publicly, so people might make that kind of connection.

All it took in the baby Ramy case was for a couple of guys who knew the kidnapping Grandma to say hey, wait a minute, she'd been talking bout having a baby, this isn't a newborn she has, something isn't right here, and there is this other baby missing....

Just need one person for it to click with.... :praying:

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 09:52 AM
I don't know, if I had a child missing, I'd name anyone and everyone who had ever given me so much as a dirty look.

I doubt the 9 are those who gave him a dirty look. Implicating someone in a kidnap is huge.

JeannaT
10-06-2011, 09:53 AM
so the perp is brazen enough to steal a child.
Knows the layout of the house. took the time to split the screen to make it look like point of entry.
Perp also felt comfortable to not only turn on multiple lights but leave them burning. Has the where withall to think of the family possibly waking and calling 911 on cell phone,so perp grabs 3 cell phones & walk out the front door w/ Lisa!? And quietly enough to no wake anyone. All in a time frame of dads 1st night at work.?

I'm just talking it out...

Since they've decided the window wasn't the point of entry, the screen may have been coincidentally split, by something else, and may not be related at all to her being missing.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 09:53 AM
They also have had prior relationships so I can understand if they named their exes as possibilities. Really, I'm sure I'd be trying to think of anyone I'd had interactions with, especially lately.

Please let today be the day baby Lisa is taken back home to her family.

I read, not sure where that mothers ex for other two children hasnt been in contact with her for two years. moo

In da Middle
10-06-2011, 09:53 AM
the father could have had a work cell phone (my dh does)... he does not take his personal one to work

just throwing that out there


But he would have been able to use it to call 911, I would think eliminating having to go to the neighbors to call.

He had a company van so at the very least it would be in there right in the drive. Electricians work on job sites, so a hardline wouldnt work as a work phone.

tlcya
10-06-2011, 09:54 AM
Or, inexperience and fear/nerves. I get the feeling the perp is female.

BBM I pray you are correct. I think that if the perp is a female, it increases the odds that Lisa is alive and unharmed. A female perp would suggest the possibility that this is a person who has become obsessed with this baby or the idea of a baby. Increasing the odds that the baby is being cared for properly.

MOO and perhaps grasping at straws here but hey, the mom's tearful pleas and descriptions of baby Lisa are breaking my heart so I gotta hope for a miracle such as this.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 09:56 AM
But he would have been able to use it to call 911, I would think eliminating having to go to the neighbors to call.

I didn't know that he called from the neighbors

tlcya
10-06-2011, 09:56 AM
But he would have been able to use it to call 911, I would think eliminating having to go to the neighbors to call.

Sorry the thread is moving very fast and I am fuzzy headed and sick, has it been established that he did not call 911 from his own phone? I know that he was running up and down the block knocking on doors and that he roused the neighbors but do we know for sure it was one of their phones that was used to call 911?

Thanks in advance.

SilkySifaka
10-06-2011, 09:56 AM
The dad was just interviewed on Fox News Channel by Megan Kelly. He said the LE told him the window was not a point of entry and no forced entry at door that the door was probably left unlocked.

I can see that. Especially with dad not home yet. For people who don't follow these cases, most would never dream of a burglar let alone a baby being kidnapped if they live in a safe area.

I know people (blush) who can't even find their house keys let alone lock the doors.

SilkySifaka
10-06-2011, 09:58 AM
The fact that dad gave names of 9 possible suspects is very concerning. How many of us, God forbid, would have a child taken and think of 9 suspects?

Oh I think you could think of 9. Probably prefacing them all with "I don't believe they did but" and come up with friends who seemed overly attached to baby, the person in the store, the relative who doesn't like you, the neighbor who yells at your kids for cutting across their lawn, the co worker, the woman at the doctors office who goo gooed and gaga'ed.

Blue Ridge
10-06-2011, 09:59 AM
I feel the same. I thought the way she moved from bouts of sobbing to speaking clearly and calmly was a very valid display of emotion. I cried with her. I pray today is the day Lisa is returned.

Yes agree....and also, not once did she refer to her daughter in the past tense....it was constantly present tense, and it was very naturally so (not as if she had to 'think' or 'remind herself' or any such thing).

alwayslooking
10-06-2011, 10:00 AM
I think we have to ask ourselves why Lisa? There were 3 children in the home at the time.

Was she targeted because she was closest to the window? Was she targeted because she is a baby? Was she targeted because the other 2 are boys? Was she targeted because the other 2 are from another dad?

I keep reading comments/posts how Lisa seems to be taller and heavier than a child her age. Did the abductor think Lisa was a toddler (2-3 year old?)

I still believe her abduction wasn't random. Someone who knew the family and not necessarily a family member/relative. A neighbour, a coworker, an ex friend, someone with a grudge?

Praying for a miracle and whoever has her will return her unharmed.

I don't always agree with you, but you always have great insight!:innocent:

SuziQ
10-06-2011, 10:01 AM
Have LE said publicly for people to watch for others who may have talked about adopting, recently, and now have a newly adopted child? Or maybe people who say they are caring for a relative's or friend's baby for them temporarily, or similar? SOMEONE has this baby, and statistically, as they have stated on news reports, most infants who are taken are found alive. So this baby is alive somewhere, with someone, who has had to invent a reason that they suddenly have her. I feel strongly they should make a statement like this, publicly, so people might make that kind of connection.

All it took in the baby Ramy case was for a couple of guys who knew the kidnapping Grandma to say hey, wait a minute, she'd been talking bout having a baby, this isn't a newborn she has, something isn't right here, and there is this other baby missing....

Just need one person for it to click with.... :praying:

I have not heard LE go in this direction. I wish they would. It makes sense to me.

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 10:02 AM
I doubt the 9 are those who gave him a dirty look. Implicating someone in a kidnap is huge.

I doubt the father has implicated anyone - I'm sure the police asked him if there were people he had trouble with, if anyone had behaved oddly around him, etc. That's probably where the list of 9 comes from, and the police are investigating. Implicating, to me, would imply the father gave a list of 9 people and stated "I know they kidnapped Lisa." I doubt this is the case, based on how the family has appeared in pressers. Instead, I'm guessing he listed 9 people who stuck out in his mind, for whatever reason, and they are being investigated to clear them. That's different than implicating, to me.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 10:03 AM
so the perp is brazen enough to steal a child.
Knows the layout of the house. took the time to split the screen to make it look like point of entry.
Perp also felt comfortable to not only turn on multiple lights but leave them burning. Has the where withall to think of the family possibly waking and calling 911 on cell phone,so perp grabs 3 cell phones & walk out the front door w/ Lisa!? And quietly enough to no wake anyone. All in a time frame of dads 1st night at work.?

I'm just talking it out...

I'm thinking the lights being on was due to the perp's inexperience. The lights were for his/her benefit - so he/she wouldn't trip and fall while rushing out the door while holding a baby.

SilkySifaka
10-06-2011, 10:03 AM
I doubt the 9 are those who gave him a dirty look. Implicating someone in a kidnap is huge.


you wouldn't want to leave anyone out though, not even if there was a miniscule chance. it may mean they have now lost some friends but I think I would understand if my name was given bc we had an argument over something silly even.

jacy
10-06-2011, 10:03 AM
I know people (blush) who can't even find their house keys let alone lock the doors.

You know my mother? :floorlaugh:

AnaTeresa
10-06-2011, 10:04 AM
I didn't know that he called from the neighbors

I don't know if he did - I know upthread I suggested he could have called from the neighbors, if all phones were missing, since there were reports he did go banging on doors asking if they'd seen Lisa. Or, he had a work cell with him? I don't think we know for sure whether he called from his phone or from some other phone, at least from anything officially in MSM.

SilkySifaka
10-06-2011, 10:06 AM
Since they've decided the window wasn't the point of entry, the screen may have been coincidentally split, by something else, and may not be related at all to her being missing.

During earthquakes, often people report big cracks in walls and other things by mistake. My brother lives in VA and during that one, they discovered two large cracks but with a lot of thought realized they were likely cracked before the earthquake and it just made them look up more carefully and notice them. Same thing with split screens.

heck I just noticed my bedroom window has sunk down half an inch from the frame lol. Big old spiderweb there too..must have looked at it every night for months but never had it click.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 10:06 AM
Oh I think you could think of 9. Probably prefacing them all with "I don't believe they did but" and come up with friends who seemed overly attached to baby, the person in the store, the relative who doesn't like you, the neighbor who yells at your kids for cutting across their lawn, the co worker, the woman at the doctors office who goo gooed and gaga'ed.

Sorry. I disagree. I wouldn't implicate someone who goo gooed and gag'ed as possible kidnapper. The list would be 100 pages long if that were the case.

IMO, this was very much a real and thought out list of possible credible suspects.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Do we know when/if the land line was disconnected? At some point JI did have a landline. It's still listed in the directory, so I would assume they called 911 from that number or his cell phone.

I have my own theories on the kidnapping based on some of the info we have. I do think the homicide up north of TS is related. It's just far too coincidental that so many things tie together. But maybe it is just a coincidence, but Dad naming 9 suspects sure leads me to lean towards this possibility.

Wanting2Help
10-06-2011, 10:09 AM
I read, not sure where that mothers ex for other two children hasnt been in contact with her for two years. moo

Which is around the same time she moved in with J Irwin right?

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 10:11 AM
Do we know when/if the land line was disconnected? At some point JI did have a landline. It's still listed in the directory, so I would assume they called 911 from that number or his cell phone.

I have my own theories on the kidnapping based on some of the info we have. I do think the homicide up north of TS is related. It's just far too coincidental that so many things tie together. But maybe it is just a coincidence, but Dad naming 9 suspects sure leads me to lean towards this possibility.


Something to do with what we were listening to on scanner, right?

luckyme
10-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Which is around the same time she moved in with J Irwin right?

i believe so. Ive read so many things i cant remember where i saw it. I hate to say things with out a link.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Hear from Jeremy Irwin, father of missing 10 mo. Old.....at 9am.
37 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15612837/live-tweets-amber-alert-issued-for-missing-10-month-old-girl

illinialum
10-06-2011, 10:12 AM
I'm thinking the lights being on was due to the perp's inexperience. The lights were for his/her benefit - so he/she wouldn't trip and fall while rushing out the door while holding a baby.

Hmm, if this were the case, I wonder if the inexperienced perp thought that surely someone would have woken up while he/she was exiting the house. Perhaps he/she turned the lights on to see and freaked out thinking, oh gosh, someone is going to wake up!

That would make sense then to grab the phones as an afterthought -- if he/she thought that Lisa's mom would be hot on his/her trail, the lack of a phone would delay her from calling for help, allowing more time for a getaway.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Something to do with what we were listening to on scanner, right?

Yes ma'am. I'm just working on the motive, I'm hoping money is the motive, and not revenge.

shefner
10-06-2011, 10:14 AM
My hubby checks all the doors at night before bed. I never check them because that's just something he's always done....for 27 years.

Since Lisa's daddy had to work that night..and apparently it was a brand new job...maybe mommy didn't think to check the doors?

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:15 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/gallery/news/news_photo_gallery/Looking-for-Lisa-Pictures-of-Lisa-Irwin

slideshow of Lisa pictures

liz b.
10-06-2011, 10:16 AM
I had wondered if the porch light had been on that night ? Also " most of the lights in the house " were on at around 3:30 when dad came home ? Front door was unlocked ? IF this was an intruder they were really bold... MOO

Wonder what the cell pings showed ? MOO

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 10:16 AM
My hubby checks all the doors at night before bed. I never check them because that's just something he's always done....for 27 years.

Since Lisa's daddy had to work that night..and apparently it was a brand new job...maybe mommy didn't think to check the doors?

I would think just the opposite, his first night being gone all night, I would check the doors multiple times and wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Maybe she knew it'd be hard to sleep w/o him there and took a sleep aid?

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said the only other things that were missing from their home was three cell phones, one of which didn't even work. When asked to comment on the missing cell phones, police would not confirm or deny that information.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a0nj7WiJ

police not wanting to comment on the cell phones (understandably since it is an active investigation...)

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Oh my goodness.....so heartbreaking to watch the video.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7


Please whoever has her, bring her back to her mommy and daddy and her brothers who miss her. :cry:

Yeah, the parents were heartbreaking, but it is the quotes from the older brothers doing me in. My kids are close, like Little One reminds me it's time to pick up Big One from school and Big One won't sleep over somewhere if Little One doesn't want him to, and they would be absolutely devastated if something happened to the other. :cry:

hollye
10-06-2011, 10:17 AM
I would think just the opposite, his first night being gone all night, I would check the doors multiple times and wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Maybe she knew it'd be hard to sleep w/o him there and took a sleep aid?

This is exactly what I do when my husband is gone at night AND I take a Unisom.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:19 AM
Betty Carleton, another neighbor, also saw the mom's emotional plea.

“It's horrible. The mom…I just can't imagine what a mother would do," said Carleton.
Carleton's home was also searched and she said she was glad to cooperate.
"The policeman was downstairs. I have all my kids and grandkids. He did stop and look at those very close," said Carleton.


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-hope-cooperating-with-law-enforcement-will-help-find-lisa-irwin#ixzz1a0oHAQ2t

another snip


The family said they're working on putting a candle light vigil together for Thursday night.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-hope-cooperating-with-law-enforcement-will-help-find-lisa-irwin#ixzz1a0oMCfDB

alwayslooking
10-06-2011, 10:19 AM
so the perp is brazen enough to steal a child.
Knows the layout of the house. took the time to split the screen to make it look like point of entry.
Perp also felt comfortable to not only turn on multiple lights but leave them burning. Has the where withall to think of the family possibly waking and calling 911 on cell phone,so perp grabs 3 cell phones & walk out the front door w/ Lisa!? And quietly enough to no wake anyone. All in a time frame of dads 1st night at work.?

I'm just talking it out...

When you lay it out like that it sounds hinky......but this looks like a track home, so the layout would be easy...if you are a friend or relative, and they woke up, no big deal you could explain checking on them. As for grabbing the phones on your way out the door, again easy enough! Now window, with three children you can't be 100% sure when the damage happened!

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 10:21 AM
This is exactly what I do when my husband is gone at night AND I take a Unisom.


When mine is gone, I leave quite a few lights on and the porch light and the garage light. Oh, and the movement light.

I am a huge door-locker. I keep mine locked during the daytime, too, when I'm home.

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:21 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/05/kansas-city-police-say-parents-missing-baby-cooperative/

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 10:23 AM
What if the window was opened only to be realized by the abductor that that was not Baby Lisa's room so the front door was checked and "unlocked" so entry was made that way.

elepher50
10-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Does anybody know if posters have been placed on or near the Whiteman AFB base? Just asking and just curious. What is the population of the Whiteman AFB - meaning how many people are coming/going on a daily basis. Is there housing on the base?

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 10:27 AM
For some reason the cell phone being taken, give me hope that it wasn't a RSO.

RSO would have a one track mind to get the baby,and once they had her they would be even more fixed on her and getting out as soon as possible, not stopping to turn on lights and take cell phones.

ETA: I also think she would have been found with in a 3 mile area if it had been an RSO also...:cry:

nursebeeme
10-06-2011, 10:29 AM
NewsChopper 9 is going up, we'll have a link for live video shortly
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:25 AM
KCMO police say a new search will be conducted shortly behind Lisa's house


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0qpog8r

another search behind the house

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 10:29 AM
I wish there was a way to check and see if a large amount of baby type supplies were purchased somewhere....that's a long shot, though.

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 10:31 AM
another search behind the house

There is some reason they keep searching that area.....:waitasec:

I really wonder what it is...???:waitasec:

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 10:31 AM
My hubby checks all the doors at night before bed. I never check them because that's just something he's always done....for 27 years.

Since Lisa's daddy had to work that night..and apparently it was a brand new job...maybe mommy didn't think to check the doors?

If she did forget, then again how lucky for the perp to pick this house, on this night...

Do we have confirmation on where mom was sleeping.?I read ^ a mention of basement but thought that was speculation. I know it was said 5 yr old slept in parents room.

Also do we have a timeline for lets say that afternoon? What time the older kids got hom from school, what they all did that afternoon & evening? Did they all go anywhere, drive anywhere? What time did the older kids go to bed?

Also why did LE think about that window? Obviously it was her room but was it pointed out to LE that " look that window/screen did not look like that before.." They were really csi'ing that window yesterday. IMO if it was not point of entry that would've been noticable rightaway. maybe.

It makes me crazy angry thinking that this baby is scared. Or was frightened. Or hurt. Who does that to a baby? or to anyone. I wont even go to scary movies. Fear is the worst feeling.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 10:35 AM
The family said they're working on putting a candle light vigil together for Thursday night.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a0oMCfDB


I think with the sudden saturation in the media of the parents pleas and now a prayer vigil, the FBI/NCMEC is expecting a certain someone(s) to show up at the vigil. ;)

CN2Souls
10-06-2011, 10:35 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19041&d=1317911709

Back of house.....

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 10:36 AM
Since they don't believe the window was the point of entry, does that mean someone has attempted to break into her room before? Maybe they cut the screen but the window was locked?

annalia
10-06-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the lights being on. Would an abductor go into a home knowing the lights were on, how would they know whether or not lights on meant someone was still awake?

Elley Mae
10-06-2011, 10:37 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful#ixzz1a08oDoV7
My heart aches for Deborah as she talks and pleads for Lisa's safe return, but I focused on Jeremy the second time I watched and I am not seeing the same from him. Maybe men react differently.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 10:39 AM
There is some reason they keep searching that area.....:waitasec:

I really wonder what it is...???:waitasec:

phones? maybe pinging from that area?

BeanE
10-06-2011, 10:40 AM
JiaoJiaoShen JiaoJiao Shen

#KCPolice have just started searching the woods around #LisaIrwin's home. No solid leads. Nothing is ruled out. http://http://bit.ly/r7Wl3x

19 minutes ago

In da Middle
10-06-2011, 10:40 AM
So now they are going and opening sewer and storm drain openings and going down and searching. I have one on the border between my yard and neighbors.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 10:41 AM
There is some reason they keep searching that area.....:waitasec:

I really wonder what it is...???:waitasec:

Cigarette butts? Beverage cans?

luckyme
10-06-2011, 10:42 AM
So now they are going and opening sewer and storm drain openings and going down and searching. I have one on the border between my yard and neighbors.

and u live in the neighborhood? right? :seeya:

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 10:43 AM
So now they are going and opening sewer and storm drain openings and going down and searching. I have one on the border between my yard and neighbors.

Are they checking that 1 in your yard? or did you drive by and see them near Lisa's home? tia. Luv having locals on board. Your info has been valuable for me to get a picture of the area. Thanks.

shefner
10-06-2011, 10:45 AM
So....I am assuming the parents haven't taken a poly?

And perhaps a profiler still thinks the situation is suspicious as related to the family?

Just a guess.

I personally don't see the family as being involved....but I don't always trust my gut anymore. These cases, one after the other, make you a bit jaded. I really admire LE...local, state, federal. How they do these things day after day amazes me. Praying for them.

Hazel
10-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Is that factual or is there a mistake in the reporting? :confused:
Lisa's mother, Deborah Brandley, described to "GMA" exactly what happened the last time she saw her daughter:

"[She disappeared] between the time she went to bed and time I went to bed," she said through tears. "I gave her her bottle and put her to sleep, and that was the last when we last saw her."

Irwin, who lives with Deborah and her two other children from pervious relationships, described how he returned from work around 4 a.m.

"The windows were open and the lights were on, and she was no where to be found," he said. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-missing-parents-growing-deperate-search-continues/story?id=14679914

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 10:47 AM
There is some reason they keep searching that area.....:waitasec:

I really wonder what it is...???:waitasec:

I can get an instant location for the cell phones in our plan. It's called "family locator" I wonder if the missing phones are pinging or have been located w/ gps. There has to b a good indicator of some kind to keep checking same area. Unless some evidence was found but I have'nt heard of ANY evidence.