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KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Continue here. I figured it was time for a new thread.
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An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Thursday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.

Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F3oMoIELBws/Toss1w7hJUI/AAAAAAAAGe8/joul1-4XxSk/s1600/irwinl.png


Previous Threads:
-Thread 1-Thread 2
-Thread 3

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 05:03 PM
Thanks Kaylynn!!


Re-posting time line


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG)


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 05:11 PM
Wow am I the first one here??? Never done that before.

lishac23
10-06-2011, 05:15 PM
I think LE should also look at recent deaths of 10 to 12 month old girls (natural causes or accidental). Could be a mother who just lost her child and is looking for a replacement.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 05:17 PM
I think LE should also look at recent deaths of 10 to 12 month old girls (natural causes or accidental). Could be a mother who just lost her child and is looking for a replacement.
Yep.

"The typical profile of the abductor of an infant is a woman, usually an emotionally disturbed woman who has lost a child or wants a child for some reason," Ernie Allen, of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914

JoeFromLB
10-06-2011, 05:18 PM
Prayers for her safe return...

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/V3WWk6I0XLIsHG0fqg1D3A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/ht_lisa_irwin_ll_111005_wmain.jpg

lishac23
10-06-2011, 05:24 PM
Yep.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914

That makes a lot of sense. Could also explain the brazenness of turning lights on and walking through the house. Desperate people do desperate things.

cocomod
10-06-2011, 05:25 PM
Where are you baby Lisa? This case is another one that is absolutely breaking my heart. :(

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 05:28 PM
I think LE should also look at recent deaths of 10 to 12 month old girls (natural causes or accidental). Could be a mother who just lost her child and is looking for a replacement.

It wouldn't have to be recent. I don't want to say much because with a thread moving this fast it could easily misconstrued as speculating on this case instead of a general observation, but I saw somebody on other forums fake a child online that seemed to be a "replacement" for a child she lost as a toddler. This was 15+ years later and her issues seemed to ramp up after some neurological issues. Honestly, at the time this went down elsewhere, there was talk about whether or not said poster had the potential to be dangerous offline (conclusion was that we had NO evidence that she could be) and what our responsibilties were in that regard.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 05:29 PM
I just watched the interview and if mom is acting she gets an academy award from me!

I know the lights are very bright but does Dad ever look up in this interview or any others??

cocomod
10-06-2011, 05:30 PM
Article about news conference, details what parents of baby Lisa said.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea

pferrin
10-06-2011, 05:31 PM
The thing that is bothering the most is the unlocked front door. I dont know any mommie that doesnt lock the doors at bedtime when hubby is not home... Just in case

lcookster
10-06-2011, 05:32 PM
I can't imagine the agony of waiting and waiting for word on your child. I am praying, literally, for this baby girl. And her family.

lishac23
10-06-2011, 05:35 PM
I just watched the interview and if mom is acting she gets an academy award from me!

I know the lights are very bright but does Dad ever look up in this interview or any others??

I felt mom was genuine too. Dad seemed genuinely distraught, stone faced, "out of it". I got a little iffy towards then only because I couldn't figure out if he was trying to force tears to come....or if he was trying to hold back from crying.

keeponsearching
10-06-2011, 05:36 PM
Wow I did not hear about the cell phones missing until now. The really should look into who has been inside the house in the pass few months, and maybe interview friends, all the friends. This reminds of a lifetime movie, about a child being abducted from a shoe store, years later it turned out to be someone the mom had known. Now not sure if it was a true story or not, but anything is possible.

kai
10-06-2011, 05:36 PM
The thing that is bothering the most is the unlocked front door. I dont know any mommie that doesnt lock the doors at bedtime when hubby is not home... Just in case

I agree. Maybe when the perp(s)? left they didn't lock the door? I know that theory doesn't explain how they got in. Sigh.

This is all just heartbreaking.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 05:37 PM
Overview articles from MSM:

Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Say Abductor Took Their Cell Phones (http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914) (ABC News, with video)

Parents plead for return of child (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3189103/parents-plead-for-return-of-child.html) (Kansas City Star, yesterday's presser)

‘Stranger danger’ is rare, but all too real (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190144/stranger-danger-is-rare-but-too.html) (Kansas City Star, background on similar crimes)

davehead21
10-06-2011, 05:38 PM
The thing that is bothering the most is the unlocked front door. I dont know any mommie that doesnt lock the doors at bedtime when hubby is not home... Just in case

I do. You would be surprised at the people who are completely unaware of the fact that bad things happen everywhere. :(

It was just stated on the news that there is a press conference scheduled for 5:00 PM.

Marah
10-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet?

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 05:41 PM
AP update

Parents of missing baby 'scraping for anything' (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html) (Forbes/AP)
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Her mother's cousin said Thursday that the family is "scraping for anything" as they try to think of anyone who recently looked at the child strangely or paid her extra attention.

Mike Lerette says the child's parents have compiled a list of more than a dozen names for police.
---

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 05:41 PM
Article about news conference, details what parents of baby Lisa said.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea

So the tampered window was the computer room, not the baby's room. Food for thought. Sounds less like staging and more like somone tried to enter, found a problem and started looking for another way to enter.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 05:44 PM
From this article http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea

Deborah said, “They were on the counter in the kitchen. And there’s, uh, whenever we woke up … I woke up … and he came home and I, and he said ‘she’s not in her crib’ and I said ‘what do you mean she’s not in her crib?’ and I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong.

I think she means when she said whenever we woke up ....I woke up, I think she probably means she and the 5 yr old because by that time they would have been awake ??? This is the only confusing part of the interview to me. The whole paragraph above.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 05:46 PM
So the tampered window was the computer room, not the baby's room. Food for thought. Sounds less like staging and more like somone tried to enter, found a problem and started looking for another way to enter.


Yes that's what I thought too.

Mandy113
10-06-2011, 05:46 PM
I'm not doubting the parents but I am wondering a few things. Has there been any mention of a reward yet? That seems standard in missing children cases. Who/When was the last time the baby was seen by someone other than her parents?

As far as LE still in the house and searching the immediate area again, couldn't it just be a matter of being thorough? For example, trying different entrance/exits from the house. Searching the area for any sign of anyone watching the house? Also being very careful searching for any trace of someone (other than family) who was in the house?

I don't know what to think. I really thought Lisa would be found by now. Praying for her safe return.

All JMHO.

Dr.Fessel
10-06-2011, 05:46 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet? I just saw Nancy on the TMZ website.:floorlaugh:

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 05:47 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet?


Nope, she's too busy Dancing With The Stars.

Maybe she'll show something tonight.

mrsu
10-06-2011, 05:48 PM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html

Irwin said he knew immediately that something was wrong when he returned home from work about 4 a.m. Tuesday. He checked on his 6-year-old and 8-year-old sons, then went to Lisa's room and discovered her gone.

"I said, `What do you mean she is not in her crib?'" said Bradley, who had checked on her daughter about five hours earlier. "I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong. We ran around the house and screaming for her, but she was nowhere."

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 05:48 PM
From this article http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea

Deborah said, “They were on the counter in the kitchen. And there’s, uh, whenever we woke up … I woke up … and he came home and I, and he said ‘she’s not in her crib’ and I said ‘what do you mean she’s not in her crib?’ and I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong.

I think she means when she said whenever we woke up ....I woke up, I think she probably means she and the 5 yr old because by that time they would have been awake ??? This is the only confusing part of the interview to me. The whole paragraph above.

It also seems that he had checked on the kids before he woke her up.

One thing that I wondered about. Had they been home all evening before Lisa went missing?

Marah
10-06-2011, 05:50 PM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html

Then, wasn't the 6 year old missing too at that time, since he was in bed with his mom? :waitasec:

annalyzer
10-06-2011, 05:51 PM
Yep.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914

at 1;58 when the father says the baby went missing monday night (or tuesday morning)

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 05:51 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg


Press conference live.

luckyme
10-06-2011, 05:53 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet?

Last night was all about conrad murray!!!

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 05:56 PM
That link above to the presser keeps beeping and repeating that this is audio from Conrad Murray trial.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 05:56 PM
So the tampered window was the computer room, not the baby's room. Food for thought. Sounds less like staging and more like somone tried to enter, found a problem and started looking for another way to enter.

So they got lucky and found an unlocked door? Wouldn't they have tried the door before the window?


hmmmm...that's a very good point.:waitasec:

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 05:56 PM
That "Examiner" interview's actual souce is the KMBC video interview. There's a link to it, but nowhere in the article itself is that specified. We should try for actual MSM sources, not "Examiner" unattributed articles.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 05:56 PM
Whew man I can't do heights and that helicopter is making me dizzy.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 05:58 PM
What in the hello is going on?

Video here: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg

annalyzer
10-06-2011, 05:59 PM
Whew man I can't do heights and that helicopter is making me dizzy.

i'm getting nothing but a tiny red x

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 05:59 PM
That link above to the presser keeps beeping and repeating that this is audio from Conrad Murray trial.


It's not doing that to me....very strange.


I'm watching the channel 9 news helicopter above right now.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 06:00 PM
I need a little clarification, did they say the door was left unlocked or they assume the door was unlocked. Did DI intentionally not lock the door? Or is she uncertain as to whether or not it was locked?

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:01 PM
Crime scene tape across the street?

annalyzer
10-06-2011, 06:01 PM
any other link to the presser?

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 06:01 PM
i dont see anything on the kmbc site that says a presser is happening... just that they have live stream of helicopter? Am I missing something (other than dinner, atm...my fam thinks i'm nuts holed up up here with the laptop :crazy: )

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 06:02 PM
Crime scene tape across the street?

That was there before.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:02 PM
People walking in the back yard. Cars in the driveway.

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:03 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet?

I doubt it. She seems extremely interested in the Michael Jackson trial going on right now. That's all she's been covering for like at least a week.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 06:04 PM
Police spokesman: "I challenge anyone to come up with an idea we haven't tried already"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com...

Neighbors say officers looked in trash cans during today's search
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com..

Just now checking trashcans??


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2eV4M3v

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 06:04 PM
No more thru traffic on the street, per kmbc live blog.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 06:05 PM
Also it seems like there are so many comments under news articles with people just certain the parents are guilty. Which makes me worry people just don't take abductions seriously b/c of the amount that turn into a parent responsible. Wouldn't it be nice if the LE would just come out and say "JI left for work at XX:XXpm, arrived at work at XX:XXpm. 7 people can verify this, he then worked until XX:XXpm, 3 people can verify this. He left work at XX:XXam, he arrived home at XX:XXam." I just think providing the public w/more specifics on the parents would assure the public that this is a true abduction and to be watchful.

Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just want this little baby to be found and brought home safe. :(

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:05 PM
The Cell phones:

What if the cells were taken for the purpose to throw LE off the trail. Would taking the simms card and battery out delay the phone pings or harder? Didn't I see in a few movies where someone being tailed dropped their phone on a bum, or in a garbage truck etc. Then the person tailing will follow the wrong trail.

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:06 PM
That link on the KMBC site doesn't appear to be streaming. If it is, then they are going around the same circle and it isn't showing much.

I've been trying to find a link to the presser.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:06 PM
Through traffic no longer allowed on Lister
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:02 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2f8oiai

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 06:06 PM
Welp, maybe if I leave, something will happen. I can no longer stand the smell the chicken curry and not eat any.

Watch carefully, news always breaks while I'm not at the computer. ;)

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:07 PM
Mahoney: Police can get in touch with the family anytime they want
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:06 PM
Capt. Steve Young: "Family continues to remain cooperative"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:06 PM
Reply
KMBC's Mahoney:
The family's two boys remain out of sight
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:05 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2fKq77p

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 06:08 PM
Mahoney: Police are "stumped" for clues
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com..

This ain't soundin' good.


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2fcnp9k

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 06:08 PM
Then, wasn't the 6 year old missing too at that time, since he was in bed with his mom? :waitasec:

I mentioned this in the other thread, right at the very end, but this was likely bad reporting. Checked on the boys, saw they were in with their mother, went to check on Lisa before coming to bed, realised that she was missing and went back to wake mother up. It might have made more sense because of the room layouts, or he might have seen the boys missing and looked in the likeliest place. Once they were confirmed safe, he checked on the littlest one, and knowing she wasn't in the room with her mother leapt straight to abduction.

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:09 PM
I'm assuming these are the Cliff notes from the presser:

Capt. Steve Young: "We continue to follow up on leads, some have come through the hotline, some we have come up on our own. We will chase anything that needs to be chased down."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:08 PM


Mahoney: Police are "stumped" for clues
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 5:07 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2fohdfB

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Police spokesman: "I challenge anyone to come up with an idea we haven't tried already"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com...

Neighbors say officers looked in trash cans during today's search
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com..

Just now checking trashcans??


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2eV4M3v

Gosh that's depressing when LE challenges the public to come up with ideas. They sound desperate.

:sigh:

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:09 PM
I can't find any working links to the presser. Anyone have one?

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Looks like the helicopter is leaving.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Hope they checked out the list of possible suspects the family gave them. I would continue to canvass the neighbourhood. Check back yards, sheds, anything. Put up bill boards! :(

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 06:14 PM
Good grief...it is great that this LE is letting the public know what is going on, for a change, but nothing? Really?

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:14 PM
I can't find any working links to the presser. Anyone have one?

Sounds like it already is over...:(

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 06:14 PM
KMBC's Mahoney:
The family's two boys remain out of sight
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10/6/2011 10:05:52 PM 6:05 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2gv28Qi

I wonder if they fear for their safety?

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:15 PM
The parents of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl have given police more than a dozen names as they try to think of potential suspects or people who paid especially close attention to the child, a relative said Thursday.

"We're scraping for anything, anyone who was at the house, who looked at her strange. Anything," said Mike Lerette, a cousin of the baby's mother.

Her parents are trying to remember people who recently came into contact with Lisa or paid her extra attention, Lerette said. He is encouraging them to think of anyone, from utility workers who visited their Kansas City home to store cashiers, and they've compiled a list of more than a dozen names.


Snipped: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721659.html

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 06:16 PM
"The family is being cooperative with detectives," Young said. "If there were any holes in their story, we would know by now. There are no holes in their stories. There is a 10 month old who isn't where she belongs and we are trying to find her. We will keep going bigger as long as we need to."
Lengthy KCTV5 article up within the hour at link below:

Authorities intensify search for missing baby (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby)

JeannieC
10-06-2011, 06:16 PM
Wow am I the first one here??? Never done that before.

Everytime I'm first I figure I'm in the wrong place so I wait and watch! :floorlaugh:

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:17 PM
MOO: The incident early today with the parents being animated. My guess is LE didn't want the parents to talk to reporters, so they tell them they are needed at the command post and parents upset for they were about to go on camera. Now LE has to baby sit the parents so the parents don't let anything slip out about the case that can harm the investigation. MOO MOO and MOO

Katana
10-06-2011, 06:17 PM
Has there been any description on the guy carrying a baby with only a diaper on that was seen by the neighbor at midnight?

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 06:18 PM
Good grief...it is great that this LE is letting the public know what is going on, for a change, but nothing? Really?


I can't help but wonder if that might NOT be totally true and just hoping the responsible party gets a bit more secure???

If they don't know anything then why are they searching the same place again?

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:19 PM
Any info about the planned prayer vigil tonight?

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:20 PM
Has there been any description on the guy carrying a baby with only a diaper on that was seen by the neighbor at midnight?

"a white male" is the only description I've seen.

Janeumayer
10-06-2011, 06:21 PM
Then, wasn't the 6 year old missing too at that time, since he was in bed with his mom? :waitasec:

Good catch!!

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:22 PM
Any info about the planned prayer vigil tonight?

I know there was one last night...is there supposed to be another one tonight?

Here's video from the one last night: http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-vigil-held-for-missing-baby-lisa-20111005,0,551920.story

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:22 PM
Has there been any description on the guy carrying a baby with only a diaper on that was seen by the neighbor at midnight?

I've only heard this mentioned once, so perhaps it wasn't true. I also heard that neighbors called 911 because they heard blood curdling screams coming from the woods, but no follow up on that either.

mrsu
10-06-2011, 06:23 PM
If they are so stumped...why no reward money??
Why no talk of checking with local sex offenders??
Why keep searching the same woods over and over?

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:27 PM
If they are so stumped...why no reward money??
Why no talk of checking with local sex offenders??
Why keep searching the same woods over and over?

I'm sure there are quite a few things that they are not talking about right now. We have to remember that LE isn't going to give the public every single tip or lead that they have. Also, maybe there is a reward in the works that hasn't been announced yet.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:27 PM
MOO again: Cell phones were taken as a diversion, my guess they took the sims card out and battery and placed it in semi truck, out of state car, anything that will move the phones out and away in the direction the child will go.

I suppose it could have started out as a robbery, cells were taken first, then the perp heard the child cough, he goes back to check, and he has had pedophile tendency or is one. Decides to take the child, holds baby's mouth and leaves out the front door.

Got rid of cell phones as he was leaving. Perp wouldn't park at the house, but rather down the street. Scratch that, if it was a robbery, they usually take tv's, stereo's and stuff therefor would need a vehicle close by.

Dang every thing I come up with doesn't fit nicely. The only thing that does is that someone that knew at least a little about this family and home does.

justbeachy
10-06-2011, 06:29 PM
I just got a nasty virus on my computer so I'm having to read from my iPhone! This thread is moving so quickly and my eyes are starting to go cross-eyed!

On another note: $&@!?*# virus!!!!

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 06:30 PM
Does anyone know if Mom and kids had been home all evening? Or had they been out somewhere?

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 06:31 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

LotsaLatte
10-06-2011, 06:32 PM
Okay, I'm stuck on this one still sorry...Are there any other exits out of the house that are not at the front of the house - which looks to me to be in plain view of the street? I don't see a gate or fence that comes off the driveway side of house - so why exit through a door - with a baby in tow - using a door that can be seen from the street. Wouldn't it be better to leave via a door that you could slither around the back/side of the home to the front/side and attempt to stay under the "shadow" of trees. Or at least make sure nobody is out walking, etc. People walk by my home all hours - and I am in the country!

SurfieTX
10-06-2011, 06:32 PM
"a white male" is the only description I've seen.

There's a possible composite description downstairs. Could be the person, and may not be...

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 06:33 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

There was a link upthread that gave the boys names & ages. 8 y/o is dad's, 6 y/o is mom's.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:33 PM
I will say one thing, if later it is learned that this mother is involved my world as I know it will explode for this mother has convinced me 100% of non involvement!

Jayarre
10-06-2011, 06:33 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

According to grandparent interview 1 dad's...1 mom's

lauriej
10-06-2011, 06:34 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

--one from each---they have different last names.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44798732/ns/today-today_people/t/parents-missing-baby-well-do-anything-get-her/#.To4MUHK8tey



TODAY's Peter Alexander asked Irwin’s parents, Rick and Melanie, whether their son or future daughter-in-law had anything to do with the baby’s abduction.

“Absolutely not,’’ Melanie told NBC News. “They are kind, loving, wonderful parents, and that baby is everything to them.’’

Lisa Irwin is the youngest of three children who live in the home. Irwin and Bradley are engaged to be married, and also have two children, 8-year-old B. Irwin and 6-year-old M. Bradley, from previous relationships.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:34 PM
Okay, I'm stuck on this one still sorry...Are there any other exits out of the house that are not at the front of the house - which looks to me to be in plain view of the street? I don't see a gate or fence that comes off the driveway side of house - so why exit through a door - with a baby in tow - using a door that can be seen from the street. Wouldn't it be better to leave via a door that you could slither around the back/side of the home to the front/side and attempt to stay under the "shadow" of trees. Or at least make sure nobody is out walking, etc. People walk by my home all hours - and I am in the country!

hrm thinking out loud. If two people were involved one could have parked away from the house, perp goes out the door and car comes down the street and perp with child jumps in and takes off.

pferrin
10-06-2011, 06:34 PM
I need a little clarification, did they say the door was left unlocked or they assume the door was unlocked. Did DI intentionally not lock the door? Or is she uncertain as to whether or not it was locked?

All that has been said is that JI came in thru the unlocked front door.

I think that most mommies lock the doors at nite..maybe not all ..but most. My guess would be that she locked the front door before going to bed.

However that has not been stated yet. In #2 of our thread it lists what Jeremy said today in interview.

SnoopyDoobyDoo
10-06-2011, 06:35 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

I don't think there is a definite answer, but I think it's one of each. I *think* there is a direct quote from a family member, and the father was involved in a custody dispute at one point which indicates he has a child. Not sure that's a huge help, but figured I would post it any way.

Edit- Dang, I'm slow tonight. What everybody else said.

KaylynnCouture
10-06-2011, 06:35 PM
I will say one thing, if later it is learned that this mother is involved my world as I know it will explode for this mother has convinced me 100% of non involvement!

I'd be shocked as well. I've got myself about 95% convinced that the family is not involved.

shorty42404
10-06-2011, 06:35 PM
The fact that Irwin just started a job on the night that this happens is what I keep thinking about. I wonder if this information was known by anyone they knew or encountered/are newly acquainted with? I would think if someone knew this they would feel more confident that they could abduct the child or burglarize the home without hubby there. The cell phones being reprogrammed that night and then taken is interesting too. I hope that list will turn a light on and maybe could give them a clue as to who did this.

Praying Lisa is found and that whoever was involved will be found also.

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 06:35 PM
Okay, I'm stuck on this one still sorry...Are there any other exits out of the house that are not at the front of the house - which looks to me to be in plain view of the street? I don't see a gate or fence that comes off the driveway side of house - so why exit through a door - with a baby in tow - using a door that can be seen from the street. Wouldn't it be better to leave via a door that you could slither around the back/side of the home to the front/side and attempt to stay under the "shadow" of trees. Or at least make sure nobody is out walking, etc. People walk by my home all hours - and I am in the country!

That's why I keep asking if Mom had been home all evening. If Mom had been out and returned home there is a very slight possibility that someone could have slipped into the home while she was out. Waited until everyone was asleep, taken Lisa and left. Who would really notice someone coming out of a house?

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 06:36 PM
Ugh, please don't let this be another that we can not solve. :maddening:


For my timeline, I have a conflicting story that I need help on.


Are both boys the mom's from a previous relationship or is one boy the dad's and the other the mom's? I've seen both.

I thought both boys are hers from a previous relationship and Lisa is the baby they have together.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 06:38 PM
I thought both boys are hers from a previous relationship and Lisa is the baby they have together.

That's what I thought too. Then, last thread....

Looking for MSM source right now, can't find it.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 06:39 PM
That's why I keep asking if Mom had been home all evening. If Mom had been out and returned home there is a very slight possibility that someone could have slipped into the home while she was out. Waited until everyone was asleep, taken Lisa and left. Who would really notice someone coming out of a house?

I think that is something worth investigating, imo. Is that why the door was left unlocked?

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:39 PM
This case does have an outward appearance of an X taking the child. "You took my child from me now I'll take yours from you" type deal

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 06:41 PM
That's why I keep asking if Mom had been home all evening. If Mom had been out and returned home there is a very slight possibility that someone could have slipped into the home while she was out. Waited until everyone was asleep, taken Lisa and left. Who would really notice someone coming out of a house?

I wondered that, too. Especially if it was a planned abduction, they could have waited until she went to pick up the boys at school and ducked into the garage when she was leaving the driveway. Chances are she has a remote, backed out, hit the clicker & pulled out of the driveway. Perp comes from under the deck, behind a tree, behind the garage and runs into the garage. A lot of people don't lock the door between garage and house. There could be a dog door from garage to house. Perp could have hidden in the house until bedtime.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 06:41 PM
Talk about confusing....

This is from the same article-

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Irwin said he came home from his overnight shift around 4 a.m. Tuesday. He noticed a first-floor window open in the front of the house. After checking on his sons, 6 and 8, he went to the bedroom of his daughter, Lisa, and noticed her missing. Bradley said she ran through the house screaming for her daughter but there was no answer


later in the article-

Authorities said the suspect entered through a bedroom window and snatched the baby from her bed as she was sleeping.

It makes a lot more sense to me the way the Dad explained it.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:44 PM
Talk about confusing....

This is from the same article-

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Irwin said he came home from his overnight shift around 4 a.m. Tuesday. He noticed a first-floor window open in the front of the house. After checking on his sons, 6 and 8, he went to the bedroom of his daughter, Lisa, and noticed her missing. Bradley said she ran through the house screaming for her daughter but there was no answer


later in the article-

Authorities said the suspect entered through a bedroom window and snatched the baby from her bed as she was sleeping.

It makes a lot more sense to me the way the Dad explained it.

You know it is possible that he or she turned the lights on but because of their panic state of mind they are mistaken or don't recall turning them on but they did.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 06:48 PM
The fact that Irwin just started a job on the night that this happens is what I keep thinking about. I wonder if this information was known by anyone they knew or encountered/are newly acquainted with? I would think if someone knew this they would feel more confident that they could abduct the child or burglarize the home without hubby there. The cell phones being reprogrammed that night and then taken is interesting too. I hope that list will turn a light on and maybe could give them a clue as to who did this.

Praying Lisa is found and that whoever was involved will be found also.

I totally agree and do not think this is a coincidence!

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:48 PM
I think Mark Klass right now would be a great tool for both the parents and LE to help the parents calm down a little, so that maybe they can recall, and or get comfort from someone else who lived this nightmare.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 06:50 PM
Dad comes home notices lights on and a front window open. It was clearly enough to raise alarm, front door open, again I'm sure he was 1/2 into panic mode as he walked into the house. The natural response is to check on the kids & wife.

I think of any of those things were usual then he simply wouldn't remember or even have noted them.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:51 PM
Heck maybe even try hypnotism to see if they can recall anything from memory they might have forgotten. If I were the parent I would.

There isn't a handbook out for parents on how to cope with this nightmare. Families that did live this once are the only ones that can really help with the family to deal with it. This way they can be more of an asset to the search and investigation. LE needs all resources on finding her and not holding hands with the family and worrying about them saying something they shouldn't. Double edge sword I suppose.

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:51 PM
We have to remember in all of this that we (or most of us anyway) are thinking logically about what we would do (logically) in this case if it were us, but someone that has the wherewithall to kidnap someone elses baby does not have the same logical thinking that we do. That is what is so difficult about so many crimes like this because what might make sense to us might not even be on radar for the perp. Just like us saying that taking cell phones would be unthinkable, in the perps mind, it might make logical sense for whatever reason.

norest4thewicked
10-06-2011, 06:53 PM
I think Mark Klass right now would be a great tool for both the parents and LE to help the parents calm down a little, so that maybe they can recall, and or get comfort from someone else who lived this nightmare.

I think the Smarts might be a better choice since the Klass case did not end well...:(

liz b.
10-06-2011, 06:54 PM
Is it known when Lisa's father left for work ? I wonder how much time passed from when he left for work and Lisa's mom went to bed at 10 :30pm ?

shorty42404
10-06-2011, 06:54 PM
You know it is possible that he or she turned the lights on but because of their panic state of mind they are mistaken or don't recall turning them on but they did.


Did they ever say it wasn't them that turned the lights on? The mom could have just left them on before bedtime.

Another thought I had is that maybe the perp came through another way of entry (is it confirmed they came through a window?) but went out the front door and that's why the door may have been unlocked.

Also, I have a hard time believing the perp would have walked a long way (like through the woods) and carried a baby walking a long way back as well. They had to have come in a vehicle and probably wouldn't have parked that far (again carrying a baby down the street would be very recognizable). What if it was someone living on their block, like a neighbor? That would make more sense because a neighbor could definitely see that the hubby was gone or knew about the hubby's job.

Wishbone
10-06-2011, 06:56 PM
I totally agree and do not think this is a coincidence!


"The cell phones being reprogrammed that night". Please help, I'm not familiar with the term.

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 06:56 PM
You know it is possible that he or she turned the lights on but because of their panic state of mind they are mistaken or don't recall turning them on but they did.

He's coming home at 4 am, I think he is going to notice the lights on before he gets into the house. Could mean someone up and ill or not sleeping. Then by the door being unlocked, that would be suspicious.

Dad comes home notices lights on and a front window open. It was clearly enough to raise alarm, front door open, again I'm sure he was 1/2 into panic mode as he walked into the house. The natural response is to check on the kids & wife.

I think of any of those things were usual then he simply wouldn't remember or even have noted them.

Would he have noticed the window was open before he realized that Lisa was gone? It is dark out except for the lights coming through the window. I don't think he would have noticed that until he went inside. Unless he parked where he had to walk by it, then he might have noticed.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 06:57 PM
What direction does he drive when coming home? Does he pass by the window that was open first or the drive way first? Being it is pretty dark, and light on in the front part of house, I question how well he would notice the window open from driving up to the house? I mean some are more observant then others I suppose but would I notice it? Nope, not unless my headlights shined on it. So if he turned into the driveway coming from the left part of house, when turning the headlights would shine on that window. The other way coming from the window that was opened, no the headlights wouldn't shine on that window.

Again just thinking out loud tidbits

shorty42404
10-06-2011, 06:58 PM
"The cell phones being reprogrammed that night". Please help, I'm not familiar with the term.

The cell phones were taken. It was mentioned in the news that the mom had left them all in the kitchen because she had been reprogramming them, putting numbers into them or something.

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 07:01 PM
We don't know which window was left open, the article just said a front window was open.

Pacific2011
10-06-2011, 07:01 PM
I haven't read every single post on this thread (so I apologize for repeating what may have been said) but I do wonder if anyone has thought of the similarity between Jessica Lunsford's case and the disappearance of Lisa Irwin.

I think I saw a recent post about "another house being searched" (no link), but the perp in Jessica's case had buried her in a nearby house.

MOO.

Angleena
10-06-2011, 07:03 PM
This case does have an outward appearance of an X taking the child. "You took my child from me now I'll take yours from you" type deal

I was thinking the same thing but I didn't want to put it out there. It makes me wonder if Lisa became a convenient target rather than the intended target.

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 07:03 PM
I haven't read every single post on this thread (so I apologize for repeating what may have been said) but I do wonder if anyone has thought of the similarity between Jessica Lunsford's case and the disappearance of Lisa Irwin.

I think I saw a recent post about "another house being searched" (no link), but the perp in Jessica's case had buried her in a nearby house.

MOO.

I've thought of it. That case proved that someone can walk into a house, occupied by two adults, a child and a dog and abduct the child. Leaving and no one being any wiser. Though if I remember correctly he didn't leave any lights on.

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 07:06 PM
I was thinking the same thing but I didn't want to put it out there. It makes me wonder if Lisa became a convenient target rather than the intended target.

Or a revenge thing. You took my child so I will take yours. But that doesn't explain why LE is continuing to look at the home and surrounding area so closely.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:06 PM
Um could taking the cell phones be so the perp could get information (numbers) to call to ask for a ransom. Is this what LE was thinking on the evening they first arrived on scene therefor the Amber Alert?

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 07:08 PM
Did dad notice that one of the boys was not in his bed (if one was sleeping with mom, as I thought I read someplace...) before he went into the baby's room? An article said he checked on the boys first.

mysteriew
10-06-2011, 07:08 PM
I've only heard this mentioned once, so perhaps it wasn't true. I also heard that neighbors called 911 because they heard blood curdling screams coming from the woods, but no follow up on that either.

I hadn't heard this before. Does this LE have a website where they list the calls/reports they are taking?

mrye4709
10-06-2011, 07:10 PM
Some of the posts here make me sad. I know alot of parents are guilty of harming their own children, but I don't think these are.

If Lisa had been sick then maybe mom had lost alot of sleep the last few days before this happened and not hearing the baby she slept soundly this night. Possibly the 5 yr old turned on the lights before he climbed in bed with mom. What 5 yr old would offer up a confession that they turned on the lights, half asleep in the midst of the chaos that had to be going on. He may have thought he would get in trouble if he did remember that they turned them on. and he may think since it was being talked about that he is at fault for leaving the lights on.

If my baby was gone and I ran to get one of the phones and ALL of them were gone, my first thought would be I can't call 911. I would then go to neighbors to call or have them call. I could see them saying that they think the phones were taken to prevent them from calling.

If they lived there for some time they may be very comfortable, it looks like a nice neighborhood and sounds like a place where people knew their neighbors. If it is not a big crime area I can see where they may have had a false sense of security.

Dr.Fessel
10-06-2011, 07:10 PM
Is Nancy Grace all over this yet? Nancy doesn't give a toot about anything anymore except for DWTS.

Marah
10-06-2011, 07:11 PM
Talk about confusing....

This is from the same article-

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Irwin said he came home from his overnight shift around 4 a.m. Tuesday. He noticed a first-floor window open in the front of the house. After checking on his sons, 6 and 8, he went to the bedroom of his daughter, Lisa, and noticed her missing. Bradley said she ran through the house screaming for her daughter but there was no answer


later in the article-

Authorities said the suspect entered through a bedroom window and snatched the baby from her bed as she was sleeping.

It makes a lot more sense to me the way the Dad explained it.

How did check on his sons? WAsn't one sleeping with the mom? This doesn't make sense!

jacy
10-06-2011, 07:12 PM
I pretty much cleared the mom in my own opinion father is still out on me.

Without elaborating, he looks blindsided to me.

nannymo
10-06-2011, 07:16 PM
I can't help but wonder if that might NOT be totally true and just hoping the responsible party gets a bit more secure???

If they don't know anything then why are they searching the same place again?

have they checked the house he supposedly was going into to see if there is a baby at that house? This to me seems like the closest and best lead they have. No mentionof a description and no mention of them showing a lot of interest on that street????

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 07:18 PM
have they checked the house he supposedly was going into to see if there is a baby at that house? This to me seems like the closest and best lead they have. No mentionof a description and no mention of them showing a lot of interest on that street????

Well, LE said basically if we thought of it, they have checked it, meaning the public I presume...so I would hope so.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:19 PM
Police plan a 7 p.m. briefing on the case. KMBC.com and KMBC-TV will carry that briefing live.
by Karen Yancey 7:17 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2xKBfk1

Angleena
10-06-2011, 07:19 PM
Or a revenge thing. You took my child so I will take yours. But that doesn't explain why LE is continuing to look at the home and surrounding area so closely.

I agree, it doesn't seem to explain it from our vantage point with the information we have.

gliving
10-06-2011, 07:21 PM
An interview with Capt. Steve Young. He responds to the rumor of a heated discussion with the parents saying it was only a misunderstanding.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/police-continue-hunt-for-missing-10monthold-baby/2149089514/

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:22 PM
Another PC? This is incredible. Hopefully it's new positive developments. I have a sick feeling they're going to say they're suspending the searches until they get a credible lead. :sigh:

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:23 PM
An interview with Capt. Steve Young. He responds to the rumor of a heated discussion with the parents saying it was only a misunderstanding.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/police-continue-hunt-for-missing-10monthold-baby/2149089514/

Is this new information? I had no idea about a "misunderstanding". Oh dear.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:24 PM
maybe the PC is because damage control from parents talking about cell phones missing. Or maybe they want the perp to feel like LE is totally lost and therefor be comfortable in taking the child outside, this would generate a tip.

Well crap who knows! All I know is this baby needs to be found YESTERDAY!

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 07:25 PM
At the least,to me it is unusual to have 9 people you would actually name to police as possible suspects in a crime of this nature, JMO.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:25 PM
That link doesn't work for me. It says content not available.

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:27 PM
At the least,to me it is unusual to have 9 people you would actually name to police as possible suspects in a crime of this nature, JMO.

I agree. That's a heck of a lot of people who want harm done to your family. Why?

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:27 PM
Go here on top in blue banner click on "Live updates" http://www.kmbc.com/index.html

gliving
10-06-2011, 07:29 PM
Is this new information? I had no idea about a "misunderstanding". Oh dear.

Try this: http://video.foxnews.com/

Capt. Young says the parents thought there was a new development when the woods were being searched again and showed disappointment when they were told it was only to search the same area more closely.

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 07:30 PM
Well I see that while I was eating too much curry, nothing has happened except that a new presser has been announced?

I'm hoping that, as I said earlier in another thread, that LE will publicly ask people to think of people they know who might have been recently talking adoption, and have suddenly shown up with a baby very quickly. Or someone who suddenly has a child, and says perhaps that they're caring for a relative or friend's baby for a while. Someone has this child, that someone will HAVE to come in contact with others they know soon, and they will have to have a story as to why they have a new 10 month old in their care. I keep thinking back to baby Ramy out in Cali, who was taken from her bassinet at night while the family slept (by the grandmother, of all people, who arrived at, and left the house, in a TAXI, of all things). And all it took was two guys who knew Grandma, had heard her talking of having a baby, and knew something didn't add up, and called it in.

The public needs to have it put in their minds to think of people they know who suddenly have a 10 month old in their care, with a story of an adoption or helping out a friend, or something, and the situation just doesn't seem right. Most people wouldn't think twice if say, a friend said "oh, I'm going to be taking care of my cousin's baby while she gets back on her feet" or whatever; but hearing such a story announced in connection with a missing child, it might just all click into place.

I hope, anyway. :praying:

liz b.
10-06-2011, 07:32 PM
Some of the posts here make me sad. I know alot of parents are guilty of harming their own children, but I don't think these are.

If Lisa had been sick then maybe mom had lost alot of sleep the last few days before this happened and not hearing the baby she slept soundly this night. Possibly the 5 yr old turned on the lights before he climbed in bed with mom. What 5 yr old would offer up a confession that they turned on the lights, half asleep in the midst of the chaos that had to be going on. He may have thought he would get in trouble if he did remember that they turned them on. and he may think since it was being talked about that he is at fault for leaving the lights on.

If my baby was gone and I ran to get one of the phones and ALL of them were gone, my first thought would be I can't call 911. I would then go to neighbors to call or have them call. I could see them saying that they think the phones were taken to prevent them from calling.

If they lived there for some time they may be very comfortable, it looks like a nice neighborhood and sounds like a place where people knew their neighbors. If it is not a big crime area I can see where they may have had a false sense of security.

I had wondered if one or both boys had left the lights on.And they may well have. I don't think either LE or MSM has said anything about this. MOO

But IMO the lights are very important IF an intruder left them on. Left the lights on and a front window open ? When I read about the lights it niggled at me for hours. I knew it was somehow familiar, and I was sure I had read that same thing somewhere before. I'm about 80 % sure that the lights were all on in the house where Shasta Groene's family was found... and I went and looked, but could not confirm it anyplace. The door was left open though.

I'm getting an awful feeling that this wasn't someone who knew the family at all. It was maybe someone who had seen that beautiful child, and just felt like taking her. MOO

The lights being left on speaks to someone arrogant and needing total control. I believe that if mom or the two other kids had woken up and gotten up, he likely would have killed them MOO
Maybe it wasn't "personal " at all,maybe he just wanted this child... All JMO

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 07:34 PM
Try this: http://video.foxnews.com/

Capt. Young says the parents thought there was a new development when the woods were being searched again and showed disappointment when they were told it was only to search the same area more closely.

oh ok. Thank you. I thought the parents had a misunderstanding. Whew!

Jacie Estes
10-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Does it seem that leaving the lights on is a taunt? Someone showing that they have no fear of or respect for the house and those in it. It's a way to show 'look what I can do'. IMHO

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 07:36 PM
If it is a stranger abduction, something that I had not thought of that was inspired by a poster.(literally a missing persons poster) It could possibly be a woman expecting her Military Man back with the promise of a baby?
Not really that far fetched. Would explain the lights being on, (not really an experienced abductor). Last minute..."grab the phones". Could be someone in a woman's circle familiar with the mom? Just thinking out loud ...

lishac23
10-06-2011, 07:36 PM
At the least,to me it is unusual to have 9 people you would actually name to police as possible suspects in a crime of this nature, JMO.

I'm not sure if I'm right, but I don't think they necessarily asked them to list people they think would be capable of kidnapping their daughter. I think its more of a list of people (outside of family and close friends) who have come in contact with Lisa. JMO

I'm a true crime addict I mean buff :rocker: and in seeing tons of different types of cases I've developed a sense that you never can truly know what anyone is capable of. If my child were missing the list would have way more than that. My mail carrier is the sweetest 60 something year old man, been delivering to us for years....he'd be on it. Just saying....until LE tells me otherwise.

gliving
10-06-2011, 07:38 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/livestreaming/

7:00pm CST news conference from police in the Lisa Irwin case. Watch live on KCTV5 and kctv5.com


BREAKING : Police just called a news conference in the case of baby Lisa Irwin. We will air it live on NBC Action News at 7 pm

(copied from twitter feed)

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 07:38 PM
A dozen people who looked at your baby funny or wanted to cause you harm? Really? That seems a lot to me. I think I would live undercover/anonymously if there were that many people who came to mind who I thought were capable of harming or stealing my child. JMO (I could be wrong but I thought the first article said "nine possible suspects" ?)

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:39 PM
Http://mfile.akamai.com/12884/live/reflector:38827.asx I clicked on mouse over this link and said save as, placed on desk top, then I left clicked and said open with windows media player. This way I can resize the window. Just thought I would add this tidbit in case other's wanted to do it also

tlcya
10-06-2011, 07:40 PM
Does it seem that leaving the lights on is a taunt? Someone showing that they have no fear of or respect for the house and those in it. It's a way to show 'look what I can do'. IMHO

Yes. To me it has exactly that feel.

mrye4709
10-06-2011, 07:40 PM
Anyone have a pic of the house handy? Which window was actually open?

jacy
10-06-2011, 07:40 PM
I'm not sure if I'm right, but I don't think they necessarily asked them to list people they think would be capable of kidnapping their daughter. I think its more of a list of people (outside of family and close friends) who have come in contact with Lisa. JMO

I'm a true crime addict I mean buff :rocker: and in seeing tons of different types of cases I've developed a sense that you never can truly know what anyone is capable of. If my child were missing the list would have way more than that. My mail carrier is the sweetest 60 something year old man, been delivering to us for years....he'd be on it. Just saying....until LE tells me otherwise.
Exactly how I've taken this. In fact, looked at my own mail carrier today, sweet as peas, and thought...huh, you never really know. I think they came up with any and every person they could possibly recall. Anyone in their position would err on the side of caution. MOO

SyraKelly
10-06-2011, 07:41 PM
I hope this PC is good news!! PLEASE TELL US YOU FOUND LISA!!!

curiousc
10-06-2011, 07:43 PM
This is the first I have heard of this sad case. I must read through all the threads but what I've caught so far is that no suspects and no idea where the child is?

How heartbreaking!

Prayers that Lisa is found promptly!!!

lishac23
10-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Does it seem that leaving the lights on is a taunt? Someone showing that they have no fear of or respect for the house and those in it. It's a way to show 'look what I can do'. IMHO

I thought that too, or someone who knew the family but not close enough to have ever been in the house. He/she/they needed the light to see where to go.

I also liked someone elses idea that possibly the six year old turned on the light to get to Mom's room.

Wondergirl
10-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Where is baby Lisa? :(

In da Middle
10-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Police spokesman: "I challenge anyone to come up with an idea we haven't tried already"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com...

Neighbors say officers looked in trash cans during today's search
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com..

Just now checking trashcans??


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2eV4M3v

Just doing come catch-up. real life calling.

Today would be the first day trash would be out for the week as our trash is Friday. We are like first on the route so it can run as early as 7:15 am or so.

LotsaLatte
10-06-2011, 07:50 PM
Just doing come catch-up. real life calling.

Today would be the first day trash would be out for the week as our trash is Friday. We are like first on the route so it can run as early as 7:15 am or so.

Thank you for sharing that information, I wanted to ask but wasn't sure how.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:53 PM
I would be walking the neighborhood smelling with my nose! Sorry to sound so morbid but I hope LE has thought of this too.

neesaki
10-06-2011, 07:53 PM
All that has been said is that JI came in thru the unlocked front door.

I think that most mommies lock the doors at nite..maybe not all ..but most. My guess would be that she locked the front door before going to bed.

However that has not been stated yet. In #2 of our thread it lists what Jeremy said today in interview.

I agree with this, I live in a private gated community, and I still lock all my doors at night. And when my child was still at home and my husband was working late at night or out of town, I was just that more diligent to lock all the doors. I find it difficult to believe she would leave the doors, any door, unlocked.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 07:56 PM
5 Min until presser, still showing bars on the video feed at this time.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 07:56 PM
Picture up now on kmbc.com, sound checks.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2eV4M3v

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Picture and sound up at kmbc

SyraKelly
10-06-2011, 07:58 PM
Was this PC planned or did they just call it?

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 07:58 PM
Lera, your a good soul! Thank you

tlcya
10-06-2011, 07:59 PM
getting ready to go live with the presser (two minutes) here:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/livestreaming/

Lera213
10-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Video showing now

mysticrose
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
OMG the parents have quit cooperating !!!!

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
"The mother and father have decided to quit cooperating with the police."

hollye
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Mom & dad have quit cooperating with police.

Lera213
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
mother and father stopped cooperating with police. Not good

Kimbreeley
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Parents are no longer cooperating with police. PC. :(

SyraKelly
10-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Omg!!

Lera213
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
LE must have leaned on them some and they didn't like it.

gliving
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Something about a relative that showed up from Texas?

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Noooooo. :sigh:

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
"I will say like I said before....they live in the house...they know the child, our door's open, (their not cooperating) doesn't help the investigation."

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Cripes

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
Reply
Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

PoppyH
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Oh heck

momtective
10-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Parents have stopped cooperating with LE, if LE had enough evidence to press charges they would have done so already. WTH! :eek:

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
"I will say like I said before....they live in the house...they know the child, our door's open, (their not cooperating) doesn't help the investigation."

Why the back track?

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
I wish I was shocked...

Jacie Estes
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Yes. To me it has exactly that feel.

There's been no ransom call/note and no leads. It may well be someone who they know/knew and there's a jeaousy aspect that the Irwins may not even be aware of.


OT: Hope you are feeling better soon.

tlcya
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
wow. earlier mother and father have decided to quit cooperating with police per srgt Young.

questions regarding a family member from texas that came into town from reporter

Young says our door is always open.

We've enjoyed parents cooperation thus far, but their pulling away is not going to help the case (me paraphrasing)

reporter asks if there is an outside influence. Things seemed to change this morning

Young cannot get into specifics.

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
I want to know how they told LE they weren't going to cooperate, and what they said their reasons were...

Kimbreeley
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Relative that came in from Tx is lawyer, I think that's what the reporter meant, anyway.

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Dammet man

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
I cannot understand - for the life of me - why innocent parents would not cooperate with LE. I would be at their feet, begging for help, asking for any little tidbit, answering anything they wanted...

Cortne
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
mother and father stopped cooperating with police. Not good

WOW :waitasec:

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
"They told us that three cell phones are missing from their home....it's produced nothing so far..."

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Capt. Young looks exhausted tonight, bless his heart.

SinKittyVixen
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Crikey.

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
The worm just turned.

Taed
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
As far as locking doors goes... I'm not fearful or anything of that ilk, but I still lock my doors every night. In fact, I'm SURE that I lock the door every night. However, we had a burglary (while we were asleep) once and the at the time we only had one entrance in the apartment (we were in a 1-bedroom basement apartment with no windows), so they had to have come in the door. The police said there was no evidence of any damage to the lock and there was a door chain that was unbroken. So, they were pretty sure that the door was unlocked and unchained. And thinking back at the time, I couldn't be POSITIVE that I locked it, even though I thought that I always did.

A similar situation is if you're sure if you brushed your teeth on a given day. Once every few years, I'll get to work and not be sure if I brushed my teeth or not. I assume that happens to just about everyone.

My point being that it can be something that you think you do every day, but still forget to do it on a rare occasion, perhaps never realizing that you forgot.

As far as my burglary goes, it wasn't anything too serious. They took a jacket, an umbrella, spent time going through our CDs (only taking about 10 out of 100), and ate some of the rice krispie treats that we made. The police got fingerprints off the rice krispie treat pan lid, but nothing came of it.

hollye
10-06-2011, 08:04 PM
So did the cell phones never exist?

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Asked about the phones being missing, the officer said that's what the parents have said but it hasn't turned up anything. ???? So do they believe it or not...?

Parents INFORMED the LE that they would not longer cooperate... :no:

Gardenlady
10-06-2011, 08:05 PM
I'm reminded of the JonBenet Ramsey case now....

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


O M G is all I can say right now. Lump in throat.

Ada
10-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Either advice from a lawyer or maybe they have received a ransom demand and it included "don't talk to the police."

I dunno, just having trouble with this. The mother, in particular, seemed so genuine.

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:05 PM
ok, I'm going to stay calm. They have a relative that's a Lawyer and were told to quit talking.

Deep breath.....

tlcya
10-06-2011, 08:06 PM
wonder if the animate/heated discussion earlier was in regards to the parents doing the press round and the LE not wanting them to be releasing so many details (Despite what Steve young is saying during this presser)?

color me flabbergasted. Thus far they have done everything you would think parents should be doing. Cooperate, get the photos out, humanize the child by supplying details about her personality and life.

My chin is on the floor right now!

mysticrose
10-06-2011, 08:06 PM
Capt. Young looks exhausted tonight, bless his heart.

And shocked at the new developments from the parents I think :(

Kimbreeley
10-06-2011, 08:06 PM
My heart is absolutely breaking for this baby girl. :( :( :(

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:07 PM
:cry:

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:07 PM
Well, that was worth watching.

Janeumayer
10-06-2011, 08:07 PM
That either makes me think that 1) they have something to do with the disapperance or 2) that someone did contact the parents for a ransom and they do not want LE involved.

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
omgoodness ! What happened to their daughter??

SyraKelly
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
If they were told to stop talking to LE-that is bad advice!

momtective
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
So where does this leave us? What are y'all thinking is going on here? Me, I have no freakin' idea! I'm just stunned...

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
Something about a relative that showed up from Texas?

Was that a question that was asked by a reporter??? I didn't hear that.

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
This is unreal. This is why after hanging out here so long, whenever a child goes missing, you just hold your breath. It's impossible to know who is involved and who isn't.

Prayers for baby Lisa.

Mandy113
10-06-2011, 08:08 PM
I just feel sick now. Where is that baby?

Janeumayer
10-06-2011, 08:09 PM
Maybe the parents freaking out this am was due to LE getting closer to finding something? JMOO

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:09 PM
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:09 PM
Question: did Dad go/return to his new job alone, or did he have a ride? Seems like I read that he had a ride but not sure if I'm getting it confused with another case.

Dr.Fessel
10-06-2011, 08:09 PM
Floored.

PoppyH
10-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Maybee just maybee ......well shoot I dunno, maybee the parents want any and all info released and LE says no??

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 08:10 PM
That either makes me think that 1) they have something to do with the disapperance or 2) that someone did contact the parents for a ransom and they do not want LE involved.


Yep to all of the above. There's so much more than we know here.

Cortne
10-06-2011, 08:10 PM
omgoodness ! What happened to their daughter??


Two words..

Three phones.

jmo

hollye
10-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Can anyone think of any other cases where the parents of a missing child stopped cooperating and the outcome was still positive?

Yeah, me either. :(

liz b.
10-06-2011, 08:10 PM
How is ceasing co-operation with the people who can find their child going to help ? If they have nothing at all to hide, why would doing this be useful ? MOO

Janeumayer
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
So did the cell phones never exist?

The way he worded it seemed that way. Maybe they are pinging by the house and that's what they have been looking for today? IDK

Lera213
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
staged crime scene (house)

Lawyer advised them not to cooperate

one or both involved

perp contacted parents

preplanned by LE, hoping the perp will contact the parents

gliving
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Was that a question that was asked by a reporter??? I didn't hear that.

Yep, hopefully we'll get to listen to it again. Something about a relative from Texas and now they aren't cooperating.

Damn. I'd walk on hot coals if it brought my child home. Not good, not good at all. Wonder what the nice grandparents are thinking now?

DairyGirl
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
If I had a missing child and the police wanted me to stand nude in the town square and do the hokey pokey to help find the child I would be putting my left foot in...

SinKittyVixen
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
My heart is absolutely breaking for this baby girl. :( :( :(

Oh, me too. She such a sweet lil baby girl.. poor lil thing..Shes only a baby. Im so worried about her!! :(

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 08:11 PM
So where does this leave us? What are y'all thinking is going on here? Me, I have no freakin' idea! I'm just stunned...

I just need a few more minutes cause there's nothing good i can think of. I'm praying something comes out real quick to tell me otherwise...no, no good reason

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
That either makes me think that 1) they have something to do with the disapperance or 2) that someone did contact the parents for a ransom and they do not want LE involved.

I seriously doubt that it's the latter.

PoppyH
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Or maybee they know who has the baby ?? Intimate info?? whats that?

BeanE
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
This is horribly sad.

I'm trying to remember, but I can't remember either parent asking that people look for the baby. I know they asked if someone has her, to return her, but I'm just not remembering them asking people to look for her.

It could very well be my old brain malfunctioning though. Does anyone else remember?

Dr.Fessel
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
I keep wanting to make up excuses for why they might have stopped.

But that is their job to tell the public now or not tell them.

hollye
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
My heart is breaking for this sweet baby girl!

grandmaj
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
:sigh: OK here is the deal. Unless LE or MSM speculates about what this means lets follow our rules here. No sleuthing yet...... let's take this in baby steps and see what happened this afternoon to change things. Don't jump overboard yet in other words. OK? Wait for MSM to fill in some blanks! Thanks.

Just-a-Guy
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
OK...hold on for a minute. That was a bizarre PC. I have faith in LE to a considerable extent. But we don't know the reasons or circumstances here. Maybe the mom and dad are so angry or upset or losing it, they got mad at some cop and just lost it. Maybe something the cops said or did upset them. Maybe they felt "accused" and just said "no more!" We don't know. "Decided to stop cooperating." That's a potentially loaded phrase. Young was obviously pissed. But didn't know the answers to a number of questions.

I say we should withhold judgment. There's more to learn. Take it easy. This does NOT mean the parents are guilty of anything. Other perhaps than being torn and emotional. It doesn't mean the opposite, either. We need more info.

Blue Ridge
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Wow. I just got a whole lot more scared for Lisa than I even was before :-(

jacy
10-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Floored.

That pretty much sums up my feelings.

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 08:13 PM
Capt. Young: "The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

That sounds like something's been going on in the close family, doesn't it ???

stg
10-06-2011, 08:13 PM
Two words..

Three phones.

jmo

I agree that the phones disappearing made me think the parents don't want LE to have them. They'll get the records though. I had not ruled out the parents yet. The dad doesn't look all that upset in interviews, sorry.

SyraKelly
10-06-2011, 08:13 PM
If a lawyer told them to stop talking to LE-this is really not good at all!!!

illinialum
10-06-2011, 08:14 PM
I missed the P/C but just read the cliff notes... WHAT IF... there was a ransom and Lisa's parents did tell LE, but LE is pretending that Lisa's parents are not cooperating with hopes that it will fool the perp and the perp won't hurt Lisa?

wfgodot
10-06-2011, 08:14 PM
OK...hold on for a minute. That was a bizarre PC. I have faith in LE to a considerable extent. But we don't know the reasons or circumstances here. Maybe the mom and dad are so angry or upset or losing it, they got mad at some cop and just lost it. Maybe something the cops said or did upset them. Maybe they felt "accused" and just said "no more!" We don't know. "Decided to stop cooperating." That's a potentially loaded phrase. Young was obviously pissed. But didn't know the answers to a number of questions.

I say we should withhold judgment. There's more to learn. Take it easy. This does NOT mean the parents are guilty of anything. Other perhaps than being torn and emotional. It doesn't mean the opposite, either. We need more info.

Yep, exactly; best case scenario - they're back on board in the morning, feelings soothed and equilibrium restored.

LotsaLatte
10-06-2011, 08:14 PM
from BeanE's post above:

Capt. Young: "The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

WTH does that mean??

tiredblondy
10-06-2011, 08:15 PM
Two words..

Three phones.

jmo

So are you thinking maybe one of the phones belong to someone else???

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:15 PM
:sigh: OK here is the deal. Unless LE or MSM speculates about what this means lets follow our rules here. No sleuthing yet...... let's take this in baby steps and see what happened this afternoon to change things. Don't jump overboard yet in other words. OK? Wait for MSM to fill in some blanks! Thanks.

:silenced:

~n/t~
10-06-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm speechless and heartbroken. Is this for real or a strategic move? Where is baby Lisa? :cry:

iamnotagolem
10-06-2011, 08:15 PM
I think I'm going to puke.

I also hope they find her body soon. I no longer believe Lisa is alive.

I have 0 faith in there being a ransom.

cluciano63
10-06-2011, 08:16 PM
I don't know, LE made it sound to me as if they no longer believe in the parents...not as though they are covering up for a possible ransom, etc...JMO

Katana
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Only one reason to stop cooperating in this situation. Parents must have been asked questions they did not want to answer. Wow! They were completely believable especially the mother!

belimom
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
That either makes me think that 1) they have something to do with the disapperance or 2) that someone did contact the parents for a ransom and they do not want LE involved.

bbm

Like others have said, I don't think electricians who work at night are targets of ransoms. I wish that were true, though - that means she's alive somewhere. Right now we can only speculate. And it doesn't sound good... :(

Shelby1
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg



I'm going to add these to timeline if that's ok BeanE. Thanks for doing the research.

Coldpizza
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
That either makes me think that 1) they have something to do with the disapperance or 2) that someone did contact the parents for a ransom and they do not want LE involved.

Its a possibility on the Ransom, but not likely after this much time.

TobyWong*
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg

BBM those quotes say it all for me. I like the 1 about enjoying their cooperation. LE has already learned alot. IMO Hopefully they can find this baby.

I'm heart broken