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liz b.
10-07-2011, 01:21 PM
That kitten in the bed ? With one (or both) boys = no sleep MOO.

Many posters have felt that mom seemed genuinely distraught on video. And I agree. And,no, I do not believe she gave Lisa an overdose of cough syrup. She is an exprienced mom. And Lisa did look cherished MOO If there had been an accident she would have called 911.MOO.

I think this is a tragic situation. MOO What if one or both of the boys accidently ( or otherwise ) harmed Lisa in the night ? And caused Lisa's death MOO At that point, nothing would bring Lisa back. But, the whole family will be torn apart. In effect, the parents would have lost all of their kids in the space of one night... Could it be that they made a horrible decision, to salvage what was left of their family somehow ? MOO

I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post...I'm heartsick.

Katana
10-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Conflicting reports but, Jeremy Irwin have not talked with detectives today.

saba
10-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Fox - Jeremy Irwin speaking to LE right now according to family - LE says they HAVE NOT spoken to JI

Family says this- LE just denied it

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Mother's story could never add up, that's why they requested a polygraph test. It was not offered voluntary.

Aunt still says there is no lawyer.

Was a rumor that tracking dogs traced MOTHER scent to the river. Reported said that was a TOTAL RUMOR, dogs didn't hit on anything.


***Dad is talking to police RIGHT NOW!

On the Today show interview, didn't mom said she had taken a poly because she had volunteered to do it?? Now LE is saying that's not true? They requested it of her? Am I understanding this correctly?

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:22 PM
They must be reading here!! moo

I'm pretty sure that local boards are going crazy just like this one is.

cachmo
10-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Apparently Jeremy Irwin is talking to the police right now!

How did I miss that one?
:sick:

Patty G
10-07-2011, 01:22 PM
FOX news just reported again that the Detectives say they are NOT talking to Jeramy. So we have some saying Jeramy is talking to the police and the police saying Jeramy is not talking to the police.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:22 PM
It really seems that LE is putting the pressure on mom and dad to see if someone will break. This LE "source" IMO didn't just leak info because they felt like it. It was leaked on purpose FOR a purpose.

I was just thinking to myself that if they don't show up purdy soon at the police station to "cooperate" that in the next few days we will most likely see the release of 911 tapes, perhaps the police report filed, and some leaks..

didn't expect a leak today... but I totally agree with you JB!

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:22 PM
On the Today show interview, didn't mom said she had taken a poly because she had volunteered to do it?? Now LE is saying that's not true? They requested it of her? Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes...she DID say she volunteered.

Shelby1
10-07-2011, 01:23 PM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG)


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

__________________________________________________ ___________________





Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents-stop-cooperating-police-14688735)

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4)


Originally Posted by BeanE file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg)


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG)


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3)


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image003.jpg



**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks

Coldpizza
10-07-2011, 01:24 PM
HE DID NOT TALK TO POLICE!!!

Fox redacted

Duke Fan4
10-07-2011, 01:24 PM
Susan Smith's husband believed her too.

PoppyH
10-07-2011, 01:24 PM
round and around, anyone dizzy yet?? he is talking, no hes not, LOL poor baby Lisa, where are you?

AnonymousD
10-07-2011, 01:24 PM
WHOA!

**Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.



**Debbie failed LDT "miserably"

JMO, but therein lie the "gaps" they wanted her to fill in.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 01:24 PM
I believed Susan Smith at first too!
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/embarrassed-200.jpg

I never believed her. but i believed this mom go figure. :innocent: My friend saw susan smith not very long ago. her sister was incarcerated where she is. other inmates arent even allowed to say anything about her or they will get in trouble. I was shocked. My friend said that she acted like she owned the place. moo :innocent::furious:

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 01:25 PM
BBM

Convenient. That's the word that keeps popping in my head regarding this case. It was apparently the "perfect storm" of convenient occurrences. I don't like that. Not one bit.

You hit the nail on the head. It's certainly odd and suspect.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:26 PM
Wow...this certainly is turning around! I was talking to my husband last night and I told him that after the Susan Smith case, I have ALWAYS been skeptical of the parents, yet always try hard to keep an open mind. I believed Susan Smith more than I believed anything ever before in my life...and sadly was wrong. When I first saw DI I immediately said to myself that there was NO WAY that she could have done anything to the baby and then I was quickly brought back to the day I saw them bringing Susan Smiths car out of the water. This is just heartbreaking...

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:26 PM
Let's go back to my earlier post when the parents were telling the story of what happened:
Listen to this video carefully: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html

He says, I came home and saw all the lights were on and a window was open. I went and checked on the boys and then we went and checked on her and that is when we realized she was gone.


SHE SAYS: Initially she says “whenever we woke up err, whenever he woke me up and said “she is not in her crib” and I said “What do you mean she is not in her crib?” And I just knew something was really wrong. And we are running around the house and we are screaming for her…and she was nowhere and I said “call 911, call 911”… and he said “Where are the phones?” And they were not on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

So basically, he says THEY found together the baby gone...and she says HE woke her up to tell her the baby was gone?

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 01:26 PM
The father is talking to LE and that's a good thing. I hope LE is being considerate with the parents. No one wants a false confession. That being said----Something about their story to me seems off.

I pray Lisa is found soon.The more time that passes, the less likely the chances they have of finding Lisa. :(

imo

SuziQ
10-07-2011, 01:27 PM
and I would list the creepy neighbors from the next cul de sac over that walk their dog on that golf course area and stand on the tee box and stare at my house nearly everyday. I have lots of flowers and landscaping and maybe they just enjoy looking at those.....but I still find that to be kinda creepy when I see them standing there.
jmo

O/T and BBM. Years ago I had random people taking pictures of my house from their cars. It was super creepy and I couldn't figure it out. One day I caught my neighbor standing across the street taking a picture of my house with his cell phone. I go up to him like WTF? He laughed and said the HOA used my house as an example of the right way to fence the yard and curb the landscaping. The HOA is very strict about what you can do and it has to be pre approved. They told homeowners to take a look at my address as an example and even show their contracters if needed. Boy was I relieved!

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 01:27 PM
Detectives say they are not talking to the father!!!!!!!!!!

:waitasec: Things are getting more and more peculiar.

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 01:27 PM
I know there isn't a lot of water out that way, but where is the nearest river, lake, pond, etc? How far away?


A creek runs the edge dividing the subdivision from the wooded area. More of a drainage/runoff thing and right now will not be more than ankle deep in most areas, waist deep at most right now in the very few 'deep' holes. the Missouri River is only about 4 blocks or so away. The area they were holding the command center is 'on the river' with only a small piece of property and a train track separating them from it.

PoppyH
10-07-2011, 01:27 PM
Maybe PPD caused her to harm her child??

mrsu
10-07-2011, 01:28 PM
Where are those D@MN phones!!!

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 01:28 PM
Shelby1 - Thank you for the time line. I know it takes time to put it together, and I sure appreciate you doing so. Also thanks to BeanE for helping with the time line.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:28 PM
I think we are all heartsick...no matter which way it goes:(
Except and only if Baby Lisa were kidnapped and brought home...then nobody will be heartsick anymore.
Now my question:
What is MOO
and what is SAMH ?

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:28 PM
FOX news just reported again that the Detectives say they are NOT talking to Jeramy. So we have some saying Jeramy is talking to the police and the police saying Jeramy is not talking to the police.

Hi Patty!!!! I miss you!!!!:seeya:

that is the story of this case

LE: they are not cooperating
family: yes we are

family: jeremy is talking with police
LE: no he is not

D: I took the poly voluntarily
LE: not taken voluntarily
((list goes on))

Duke Fan4
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Reporter on Fox's local affiliate told FOX NEWS CHANNEL the dogs did not pick up Debbie's scent either. ???????

goodgirl65
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
I don't know what to think about everything that is going on now but I suspect it has a lot to do with miscommunication and a combination of stress (both sides), one or more overzealous detectives and a set of very fragile parents thrown in for good measure. I'm not surprised that tempers are starting to flare and egos are beginning to show but for the sake of baby Lisa I hope both sides are able to put those things aside and come back together.

For now, I am going to stick with giving the parents the benefit of the doubt. If I'm wrong no harm, no foul. Nobody is counting on me to be right and if I were in their place I know I would want the same. I'd rather think they are innoncent and be wrong than go public with my belif that I think they are guilty, dissect their life for their boys to one day find and then turn out to be wrong.

ETA: I know this is a sleuthing board and to some degree the purpose is to do exactly what I said I am not going to do. In fact my approach to the Baby A thread has been completely different. I can't help but think her parent(s) are guilty and I am angry with them in a way that has caused me to step away from that thread many times. In this case I just really feel this abduction was very personal. There is something so blatant and "look how easy it was" about it that makes me think that the answer lies very close to home, an ex or an extended family member/close friend that doesn't think they deserve the baby or the happiness together.
ETA2: I've read posts this morning that have made me cringe and hurt for the parents but I'll keep reading because I don't want to become so blinded by "my side" that I miss the obvious if it is there. I just hope we can keep the thread peaceful and respectful as it has been thus far. I also wish some of the 97 guests reading would register and add their thoughts to the mix before the rest of us talk each other to death, lol.

BBM

After reading about this case in the media i decided to find a thread here even tho my plate is overflowing with cases:banghead:

I jumped in at the the beginning of this one(the 5th thread on this case).

When i read that both parents had been in prior relationships, with a child on each side, my first feeling was what i bolded from your post above...
Sorry this is pages behind and others have noted the same..

Soulmagent
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
I never believed her. but i believed this mom go figure. :innocent: My friend saw susan smith not very long ago. her sister was incarcerated where she is. other inmates arent even allowed to say anything about her or they will get in trouble. I was shocked. My friend said that she acted like she owned the place. moo :innocent::furious:

:furious:

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Let's go back to my earlier post when the parents were telling the story of what happened:
Listen to this video carefully: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html

He says, I came home and saw all the lights were on and a window was open. I went and checked on the boys and then we went and checked on her and that is when we realized she was gone.


SHE SAYS: Initially she says “whenever we woke up err, whenever he woke me up and said “she is not in her crib” and I said “What do you mean she is not in her crib?” And I just knew something was really wrong. And we are running around the house and we are screaming for her…and she was nowhere and I said “call 911, call 911”… and he said “Where are the phones?” And they were not on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

So basically, he says THEY found together the baby gone...and she says HE woke her up to tell her the baby was gone?

Good catch. It doesn't add up.

~n/t~
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
round and around, anyone dizzy yet?? he is talking, no hes not, LOL poor baby Lisa, where are you?

I was just thinking the same thing. Forget the fence sitting. This more like a rollercoaster ride.:rollercoaster:

I don't get FOX up here. Are they a reliable news source? When they quote a police source do the stories usually pan out?

Bodhi
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Just checking in before I pick up kids from school. It's so hard not to keep reading back in threads!

But I want to put a quick theory out there. IF the mother is involved, could it be that she is planning to leave the baby's father and wants to be sure he would not get custody?

I read previously that one of the two boys was hers and one was his. And that he had been involved in a custody dispute, possibly over the boy that lives with him.

I must say that from what I've seen about the parents it doesn't seem to be the case that they were not gettting along. The LDT and sweating don't sway me against the mother. But if she was the one who made a phone call at 2:30, that's a whole different matter.

JeannaT
10-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Where are those D@MN phones!!!

That's a good question, I've been thinking about this. Why don't they at least have a thought on where the phones are? Like, the phones last pinged in the house. Or last pinged down the street.

dog.gone.cute
10-07-2011, 01:30 PM
All of this fence jumping is making me tired.

:fence: It sure does make you tired ... lol.

:rollercoaster: I cannot believe how fast these threads are moving ... I can't keep up !


At this posting, there are 192 Members and 181 Guests !

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Prayers that this beautiful baby is found SOON !

Jetaime
10-07-2011, 01:30 PM
I think we are all heartsick...no matter which way it goes:(
Except and only if Baby Lisa were kidnapped and brought home...then nobody will be heartsick anymore.
Now my question:
What is MOO
and what is SAMH ?

MOO- My Own Opinion.

SAHM- Stay At Home Mom.

yllek
10-07-2011, 01:30 PM
If the 2:30 phone call traces to a tower servicing the home and a number of someone known to mom (or someone shady), it's very damning, imo. I don't believe an intruder accidently dialed someone. If an intruder was so keenly focused on the the family's cell phones for some reason (which is suspicious in itself), I think he/she would simply remove the batteries straight off or at least make sure to hit the off button; not dial out and raise a flag.

Why would an intruder take phones? No reason whatsoever, imo. They are typically traceable and have helped catch many a perp. They couldn't be sold for much and tracking the buyer through pings or records could lead back to the intruder. Removing them would not slow a 911 call from being made much at all in that neighborhood - probably 4 houses with phones accessible in seconds. I agree with some others here who believe the cell phones are key to determining who removed Lisa from the home.

MOO.

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 01:30 PM
Let's go back to my earlier post when the parents were telling the story of what happened:
Listen to this video carefully: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html

He says, I came home and saw all the lights were on and a window was open. I went and checked on the boys and then we went and checked on her and that is when we realized she was gone.


SHE SAYS: Initially she says “whenever we woke up err, whenever he woke me up and said “she is not in her crib” and I said “What do you mean she is not in her crib?” And I just knew something was really wrong. And we are running around the house and we are screaming for her…and she was nowhere and I said “call 911, call 911”… and he said “Where are the phones?” And they were not on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

So basically, he says THEY found together the baby gone...and she says HE woke her up to tell her the baby was gone?

Those comments were the first that I thought sounded odd. The mom was stumbling around with her words. Was that because of the shock of her child being missing? IDK.

The WE comments are another head scratcher for me.

imo

luckyme
10-07-2011, 01:30 PM
Where are those D@MN phones!!!

I hope LE has them. but i bet they are in water. no pings if in water. moo

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
She did not live on the same street but in the near area.

I am still looking for the video-- it was a piece that they showed on the TV station, so I'm not sure if they put all of those up or what.


Does anybody have any video of this neighbor who's dog went 'missing' that night? I would have to see who it is before I totally buy this also. We have a couple of people who's dogs are 'habitual offenders' to getting out! :floorlaugh:

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
If it turns out that mom is involved, I am going to be FUMING mad. Carp like that is why people never believe the parents and then when a parent desperately needs help, people hesitate to believe them. It's like the little boy who cried wolf, but the little boy is hurting all the other little boys at the same time!! Probably a bad analogy, but you know what I mean!

kai
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
I have a feeling that KCPD know a lot that they aren't letting on to. A whole lot!

I hope so. I don't want this mystery to go unsolved. Praying still.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
Reporter on Fox's local affiliate told FOX NEWS CHANNEL the dogs did not pick up Debbie's scent either. ???????

do the dogs have colds?

((sorry couldn't resist))

Patty G
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
Hi Patty!!!! I miss you!!!!:seeya:

that is the story of this case

LE: they are not cooperating
family: yes we are

family: jeremy is talking with police
LE: no he is not

D: I took the poly voluntarily
LE: not taken voluntarily
((list goes on))

:seeya:

I have been reading more than posting lately! :blowkiss:

Apples2Apples
10-07-2011, 01:31 PM
In Da House...how's the feeling around the neighborhood??

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:32 PM
Wow...this certainly is turning around! I was talking to my husband last night and I told him that after the Susan Smith case, I have ALWAYS been skeptical of the parents, yet always try hard to keep an open mind. I believed Susan Smith more than I believed anything ever before in my life...and sadly was wrong. When I first saw DI I immediately said to myself that there was NO WAY that she could have done anything to the baby and then I was quickly brought back to the day I saw them bringing Susan Smiths car out of the water. This is just heartbreaking...

Irony. This morning they were playing the tape of yesterday where she was saying "please , please find my baby" and my husband thought it was a news recap from Susan Smith. He thought it WAS Susan Smith as he was not in front of the tv and he walks into my office and says "What are they doing ? Letting her out of jail? " And I said...Who? And he says Susan Smith. Didn't I just hear her? And I then told him about Baby Lisa. (He doesn't like knowing about these kinds of cases.)

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 01:32 PM
If the 2:30 phone call traces to a tower servicing the home and a number of someone known to mom (or someone shady), it's very damning, imo. I don't believe an intruder accidently dialed someone. If an intruder was so keenly focused on the the family's cell phones for some reason (which is suspicious in itself), I think he/she would simply remove the batteries straight off or at least make sure to hit the off button; not dial out and raise a flag.

Why would an intruder take phones? No reason whatsoever, imo. They are typically traceable and have helped catch many a perp. They couldn't be sold for much and tracking the buyer through pings or records could lead back to the intruder. Removing them would not slow a 911 call from being made much at all in that neighborhood - probably 4 houses with phones accessible in seconds. I agree with some others here who believe the cell phones are key to determining who took Lisa from the home.

MOO.

Could the mother have secretly sold the baby and wanted the phones missing so no one would know what really happened??

As you can tell I'm all over the place with this.

imo

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 01:32 PM
Just checking in before I pick up kids from school. It's so hard not to keep reading back in threads!

But I want to put a quick theory out there. IF the mother is involved, could it be that she is planning to leave the baby's father and wants to be sure he would not get custody?

I read previously that one of the two boys was hers and one was his. And that he had been involved in a custody dispute, possibly over the boy that lives with him.

I must say that from what I've seen about the parents it doesn't seem to be the case that they were not gettting along. The LDT and sweating don't sway me against the mother. But if she was the one who made a phone call at 2:30, that's a whole different matter.

Or like Susan Smith...having an affair and not wanting the kids to bog it down, but she still has another son to tend to, so that doesn't really make a whole heap of sense either. :waitasec:

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:33 PM
:furious:

I heard that Diane Downs was the same way in prison...owning the place. Interesting that male child killers in prisons are the lowest of the low. Females, on the other hand, are revered. Sickening!

Katana
10-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Oh no they may even have evidence of the baby's death at the home. They were taking all kinds of things out of that house. I saw a bag of stuffed animals.

elepher50
10-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Just shoot me now - I still believe the mother did not have anything to do with Lisa going missing. I have pocket dialed my home phone and various other numbers from shoving my blackberry in my pocket. How in the h3ll does LE know for sure that it was Mom who made the call from the cell phone at 2:30am unless a conversation was recorded. Anybody could have had the phone at that point.

We must remember this is a "leak" from LE and not stated by LE themselves.

The only visual that I have got in my head right now is Jeremy pounding on the door down at LE headquarters and LE standing there saying "uh oh ... nah .. nah ya'all ain't getting in here".

All moo and I have been wrong before but until there is further hard statements from LE's mouths themselves, will not buy into this "leaked" information .... on Fox wasn't it?

chasing.halos
10-07-2011, 01:34 PM
I was just thinking the same thing. Forget the fence sitting. This more like a rollercoaster ride.:rollercoaster:

I don't get FOX up here. Are they a reliable news source? When they quote a police source do the stories usually pan out?

(bbm) You don't even know how lucky you are.... lol.....

TobyWong*
10-07-2011, 01:34 PM
That kitten in the bed ? With one (or both) boys = no sleep MOO.

Many posters have felt that mom seemed genuinely distraught on video. And I agree. And,no, I do not believe she gave Lisa an overdose of cough syrup. She is an exprienced mom. And Lisa did look cherished MOO If there had been an accident she would have called 911.MOO.

I think this is a tragic situation. MOO What if one or both of the boys accidently ( or otherwise ) harmed Lisa in the night ? And caused Lisa's death MOO At that point, nothing would bring Lisa back. But, the whole family will be torn apart. In effect, the parents would have lost all of their kids in the space of one night... Could it be that they made a horrible decision, to salvage what was left of their family somehow ? MOO

I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post...I'm heartsick.


Don't be sorry. I just have no way to look at a few pictures to think one way or another about her care of her child. Or her experience for that matter. I know nothing of her. If she's had the other children their whole lives or whether she's a quiet mom or a yeller. i just can't determine any of that.

IMO i don't get genuine anything from watching her. Scared (for herself?) maybe, but not genuinely afraid for her daughters life? no imo

kai
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
A creek runs the edge dividing the subdivision from the wooded area. More of a drainage/runoff thing and right now will not be more than ankle deep in most areas, waist deep at most right now in the very few 'deep' holes. the Missouri River is only about 4 blocks or so away. The area they were holding the command center is 'on the river' with only a small piece of property and a train track separating them from it.

My heart just sunk when I read this. :(

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Is it weird to anyone else that Baby Lisa's room seems to be the size of a closet??


HAHA! The small bedroom in most of these houses are smaller than a lot of closets in most homes!!

JeannaT
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Just shoot me now - I still believe the mother did not have anything to do with Lisa going missing. I have pocket dialed my home phone and various other numbers from shoving my blackberry in my pocket. How in the h3ll does LE know for sure that it was Mom who made the call from the cell phone at 2:30am unless a conversation was recorded. Anybody could have had the phone at that point.

We must remember this is a "leak" from LE and not stated by LE themselves.

The only visual that I have got in my head right now is Jeremy pounding on the door down at LE headquarters and LE standing there saying "uh oh ... nah .. nah ya'all ain't getting in here".

All moo and I have been wrong before but until there is further hard statements from LE's mouths themselves, will not buy into this "leaked" information .... on Fox wasn't it?

This could have been almost anyone providing the cell phone information - the brother in law of an employee of their cell provider could have known this.

raeann
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
On the Today show interview, didn't mom said she had taken a poly because she had volunteered to do it?? Now LE is saying that's not true? They requested it of her? Am I understanding this correctly?

Well.....if she took it....she DID volunteer. They can't force her to take one. Just another semantics manipulation by one or both sides.

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 01:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ueuIH63G8

dog.gone.cute
10-07-2011, 01:36 PM
I know y'all have seen this ... but I just noticed this:

Baby Lisa and the Irwins are one of the "top stories" on the MSN Home Page.

Mom of missing tot: Cops said 'You did it'
Woman also says investigators let her know that she failed lie detector test

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001


wow ...

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 01:37 PM
When mom was on the Today Show, she was crying so hard that her tears were actually dropping on her shirt. I feel like the tears were genuine. Question is: genuine because of what??

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 01:37 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!


OMG. Uh, that's just awful. I do have to give GA props for having the murderer CA's car crushed and destroyed.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 01:38 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

OMG! Heck to the no!!! Do they have to tell the buyer? like when u buy a house?

BetteDavisEyes
10-07-2011, 01:38 PM
This thread is moving too fast :banghead: :D

It seems that the plot is thickening...

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
I will understand why if a child dies by accident in the home, why would parents go to the great lengths of staging a kidnapping and going through all the trouble of making up a story and then continuing to lie? I mean, if a parent who killed a child accidentally or through neglect thought that they would be in trouble legally for that, how can they think they will get away with disposing of the body? This was the main reason I NEVER believed Casey Anthony's story about the accidental drowning.

Shelby1
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
I was just thinking the same thing. Forget the fence sitting. This more like a rollercoaster ride.:rollercoaster:

I don't get FOX up here. Are they a reliable news source? When they quote a police source do the stories usually pan out?


IMO, yes, FOX is very credible. They are the only news station I watch--except for HLN when I am watching Conrad Murray trial.

mrsu
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
I hope LE has them. but i bet they are in water. no pings if in water. moo

So possibly the RUMOR of dogs tracing mom to river could be true and police don't want to confirm it??????????????

Jetaime
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581

""We were in interrogated for a really long time Tuesday there again, answering questions….I just couldn't' take it anymore," he said. "I told them I had to have a break -- no more questions today. I asked to be let go, and they let me go from police station. An hour later was when we saw the press conference from them.""

<snip>

"Thursday night police also shut down their outdoor command post and removed that crime scene tape that had been surrounding the house since Lisa's disappearance, but police insist this was not related to their claim that the parents were no longer cooperating.

"It has nothing to do with the statement I made about the parents' cooperation," Young said. "We closed that down only because of geography."."

belimom
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
Stopping in quickly before heading out of town - had to leave to get DH from the airport. Anything happen in the last hour or so? TIA!

Apples2Apples
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
So possibly the RUMOR of dogs tracing mom to river could be true and police don't want to confirm it??????????????


Let's hope and pray that it is false.

AnonymousD
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
FOX news just reported again that the Detectives say they are NOT talking to Jeramy. So we have some saying Jeramy is talking to the police and the police saying Jeramy is not talking to the police.

"They are not cooperating"

...........but

"We are cooperating"

Sound familiar?

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!! How would this be possible?

oh_gal
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

Do they have disclousure laws, like when buying a house?

Kimbreeley
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
Police captain on Fox News in 3 minutes....

SleuthyMama
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
I know I said this already but for me the sticking point from the beginning has been these d@mn missing phones. Like Lavonda said upthread, how would an intruder know that taking those phones would prevent them from quickly alerting police once they found the baby missing? It just seems too easy. What intruder would know you didn't have a landline somewhere in the house?

Unless it was some sort of "inside job."

And now to hear that LE thinks mom made a call on one of those phones during the time she was supposedly sleeping.....

Hazel
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
Do we know if the parents went to a neighbour to place the 911 call?

and did it occur to them to call their missing cellphones immediately right after that or from another neighbour's phone while the other parent was still on the phone with 911?

linda505
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
Let's go back to my earlier post when the parents were telling the story of what happened:
Listen to this video carefully: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html

He says, I came home and saw all the lights were on and a window was open. I went and checked on the boys and then we went and checked on her and that is when we realized she was gone.


SHE SAYS: Initially she says “whenever we woke up err, whenever he woke me up and said “she is not in her crib” and I said “What do you mean she is not in her crib?” And I just knew something was really wrong. And we are running around the house and we are screaming for her…and she was nowhere and I said “call 911, call 911”… and he said “Where are the phones?” And they were not on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

So basically, he says THEY found together the baby gone...and she says HE woke her up to tell her the baby was gone?

I find his account even stranger than hers. In his account - he must have woken her up first before he checks on Lisa to get to the "we". Her account (after the stumble) makes more sense - he comes home sees the lights on checks on the boys, checks on Lisa then wakes her up to tell her Lisa isn't in the crib. However - if you put her stumble and his account together - it sounds like a contrived story - by both of them. Don't know what that could mean but makes me as suspicious of him as of her. MOO

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
So possibly the RUMOR of dogs tracing mom to river could be true and police don't want to confirm it??????????????

I usually tend to think that most "rumors" have a bit of truth to them in situations like this.

katydid23
10-07-2011, 01:43 PM
This is heartbreaking. It is really really hard for me to believe that she sold that sweet baby of hers. I just cannot see or accept that. I know, I know, it does happen. But she does not seem to fit the profile. She is not a drug addicted prostitute or a psycho--as far as I know so far anyway.

The only thing I can accept so far is that she ay have accidentally harmed the baby. But the brothers would have an idea about that-wouldn't they? Especially the 10 yr old. I was never able to keep much hidden when my son was 10.

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 01:43 PM
Stopping in quickly before heading out of town - had to leave to get DH from the airport. Anything happen in the last hour or so? TIA!

Yes:

1. A leak said that a phone call was made from the house at 2:30 a.m. by the mom on one of the cell phones.
2. It was reported initially that dad was talking to police (today, right now), but then later redacted (???).

Patty G
10-07-2011, 01:43 PM
I watched the tears fall from the mother on the Today Show and I look at it both ways: crying because Lisa is missing, and crying because she knows what happened to Lisa.

Sleuths4Me
10-07-2011, 01:44 PM
I guess they can see who that phone call was made to and go from there..they probably already know..it was either the mom calling someone saying what happened or the perp calling someone saying they have the baby which would be stupid of either party to do so...grrrr just come out with who was called.

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 01:44 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

Yes!!! I got stuck with one once before Carfax! I didn't know it till a mechanic spotted and showed me the evidence. Ended up having to put a new transmission in it.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:45 PM
I will understand why if a child dies by accident in the home, why would parents go to the great lengths of staging a kidnapping and going through all the trouble of making up a story and then continuing to lie? I mean, if a parent who killed a child accidentally or through neglect thought that they would be in trouble legally for that, how can they think they will get away with disposing of the body? This was the main reason I NEVER believed Casey Anthony's story about the accidental drowning.

To avoid a jail sentence. Such in cases in which a child gets into a parents drug pile and dies from overdose. Or a parent whose child died due to the parents neglect...such as leaving a child home alone, or in a bathtub of water, etc. Those are usually the causes that parents would "set up a kidnapping" plot....and of course...death by abuse.

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 01:45 PM
Your post reminded me about the helicopter video from yesterday (link was posted on previous thread). Sorry, I didn't keep the link!

Maybe you viewed it...

They started out by zooming in on Lisa's house...then the commentary said there was a house 1-2 blocks to the west? of Lisa's where they had seen LE activity...they zoomed in on that house, talked about ATV's.

Then they panned down the steep wooded incline to the left of the plateau and showed where most of the LE vehicles were parked. They commented on many LE leaving the "parking" area (not a parking lot but on the street).

Finally, my question: :)

Do you know anything about LE activity at that house? Could it be the home of the neighbor that supposedly saw a man holding a baby in a diaper that nite that seemed to pretend to be going into a home? Could it be the home that the witness saw him pretending to go into? Or...?

i think the activity was not 'actually' at that house. This area is very hilly and where those warehouses are used to be part of the woods. that house has always been there and now the road to it would be the only real access to the hillside they were looking at. The warehouses are on an area that was cleared and scraped level, leaving that house standing on what the owners call 'On the Hill'. And no, they would not be seeing anything here to there - woods in between.

BTW they have a concert or two every year lately for a benefit for autism awareness 'On the Hill'!

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 01:45 PM
I watched the tears fall from the mother on the Today Show and I look at it both ways: crying because Lisa is missing, and crying because she knows what happened to Lisa.

Me too Patty me too.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
More breaking news on FOX RIGHT NOW.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
FROM Fox News: Both parents under police microscope.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
I usually tend to think that most "rumors" have a bit of truth to them in situations like this.

remember... we don't roll with rumors at websleuths... just don't want anyone to get zapped ;-)

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
So possibly the RUMOR of dogs tracing mom to river could be true and police don't want to confirm it??????????????


Am I confusing cases here. I thought this happened in the aliayah Lunsford case where they tracked her scent to the water???????? :waitasec:

elepher50
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
Stopping in quickly before heading out of town - had to leave to get DH from the airport. Anything happen in the last hour or so? TIA!

Not much ... a "leak" in information that mom made a call from the home at 2:30am from one of the missing cell phones.

That about sums it up. Oh and LE asked mom to take the LDT and mom says she volunteered.

A lot of picket fence sitting and twists and turns. Nothing straight from LE though.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
From FOX news: LE is now saying that LI failed Poly "miserably." First time they have said it.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:47 PM
From Fox News: Judge Janeen Pierro is in front of the house reporting.

JeannaT
10-07-2011, 01:47 PM
More breaking news on FOX RIGHT NOW.

I'm trying to watch it online, and they're talking about tax protests. ?? Are you seeing something else on a TV?

tk71texas
10-07-2011, 01:47 PM
Stopping in quickly before heading out of town - had to leave to get DH from the airport. Anything happen in the last hour or so? TIA!

if you could only sit and read.............

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
More breaking news on FOX RIGHT NOW.



typical Foxnews.... saying mother denied that she failed the LD, she's the one who came out and said she failed it. freaking media

PoppyH
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
FROM Fox News: Both parents under police microscope.

Really/./. I thought dad had no reason to take a LDT??

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
I wonder if "computer room" is a converted garage?

Speaking of kids pj's...I hate, detest, despise those pjs that are skin tight!!! WHAT??? Feels like stuffing a sausage getting my grandsons chubby little arms and legs squeezed in there!! He is not around any open flame here to get his jammies caught in. When I have him in the winter, it's little sweat pants and long sleeve top!


Nope, never a garage. Garage is around back and always has been.

oh_gal
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
She could have done something to the baby, or one of the sibs could have. Reminds me of a Criminal Minds episode where child sibling ended up killing other child sibling, and parents (with the help of LE friend) almost got away with covering it up. The parents POV was that they'd already lost one child, they didn't want to lose another.

Just throwing that out there.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
From Fox News: Pierro says "parents generally cooperate." Breakdown between LE and parents. Pierro will be speaking to parents this afternoon.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:48 PM
Parents will be on FOX this afternoon with Judge Jeanine

Kimberlyd125
10-07-2011, 01:49 PM
My post wasn't to implicate the parents. Just my opinion as to why LE may have stated the parents didn't want to cooperate with LE. If they hired an attorney, LE will have to deal with their attorney.

I just hate that this case is turning out to be another drama with LE versus the parents of the missing child. Why does this happen over and over? :banghead:

I understand. That's why I started my post with
"Just jumping off your post".

I did not mean to imply that you were trying to implicate the parents.

When you spoke about an attorney, it made me think of several parents that get an attorney pretty early on in a missing child case.

Marah
10-07-2011, 01:49 PM
Can anyone answer this for me?

Dad says he came home and checked on boys first and then went to check on Lisa. Saw she was missing, woke up mom and they started looking for her.

It was reported that one son was sleeping with her.

Wouldn't the dad have found one son missing and Lisa missing as well?

Unless he thought they were both missing but found the boy with his mom?

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:49 PM
OH MY GOD!!!!!! How would this be possible?

sorry I didn't mean to de-rail the thread with the SS car... but yes it happens with cars all the time per my BIL.. all that would really show up on the carfax would be that it had been in accident, submerged, etc.. fixed etc...

okay again sorry for getting off topic..

back on topic..

what else are they saying on fox??? tia!

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 01:50 PM
I've held back from commenting but, I just watched the video of the mother and father speaking and thought this comment was odd.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581

"I made her a bottle and laid her down...that was the last time "WE" saw her"...and as she says "we", she looks straight at her husband.

My question is that this is reported to have occurred at 10:30 pm, no? What time was the father supposed to have been at work that night?

Another thing that I know is subject to appearing as "judging" but, I don't feel it is. I just think that observing small things could be important. Such as does Lisa's Mom normally put her children to bed in pj's?

If so, I thought it was odd that baby Lisa is reported to have been last seen in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt...they do not say pj's so, I can only draw the conclusion that Mom "laid her down" (to bed) and prepared a bottle for her but, not put her child in pj's.

It's just one of those things that has stuck in my mind and has absolutely nothing to do with being critical of her parenting.

SuziQ
10-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Think of Jessica Lunsford when you start to think this can't happen. It can. And does.

And Elizabeth Smart. I can't remember exactly how Brian David Mitchell broke in, but her mother blamed herself over forgetting to close the kitchen window after burning dinner and opening it.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:50 PM
From Fox News: They have stopped the ground search.

Regarding 2:30 am phone call, Pierro says that they will be able to find out where the call came from. If they find that LI made the call, "There's a problem."

Very little woods in the back. Homes are close together. Dogs all over the place.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 01:50 PM
From Fox News: Pierro says "parents generally cooperate." Breakdown between LE and parents. Pierro will be speaking to parents this afternoon.

Why is she the reporter?? Did her show get cancelled? Thats odd! moo

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 01:51 PM
Sorry she said Saturday night 9pm Judge Janeen will have the family on her show.

Coldpizza
10-07-2011, 01:52 PM
IMO, yes, FOX is very credible. They are the only news station I watch--except for HLN when I am watching Conrad Murray trial.
I don't know, IMO they are Kings of sensationalizing things. But that's just me

jacy
10-07-2011, 01:52 PM
So possibly the RUMOR of dogs tracing mom to river could be true and police don't want to confirm it?????????????? The very thought makes my throat close up. None of this gets easier to read. Bless you, Lisa. I'm holding out hope. :heartbeat::heartbeat:

pghbrandi
10-07-2011, 01:52 PM
I find his account even stranger than hers. In his account - he must have woken her up first before he checks on Lisa to get to the "we". Her account (after the stumble) makes more sense - he comes home sees the lights on checks on the boys, checks on Lisa then wakes her up to tell her Lisa isn't in the crib. However - if you put her stumble and his account together - it sounds like a contrived story - by both of them. Don't know what that could mean but makes me as suspicious of him as of her. MOO

I'm really only quoting your post because it deals with him being suspicious also. This morning I was watching them on the Today show. My nine year old passed through the room to grab something for school, and he said that the dad didn't seem all that upset. He knows nothing about what is going on, (I don't let him watch stuff like that) but just from seeing how upset she was and he wasn't made no sense to even him.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:53 PM
remember... we don't roll with rumors at websleuths... just don't want anyone to get zapped ;-)

Yes...I agree. Sorry about that post and sorry for the reaction to the OT post above. I was just really shocked!

wfgodot
10-07-2011, 01:53 PM
Fox News = Faux News

Renea
10-07-2011, 01:53 PM
I predict this will be solved by Sunday.

AnonymousD
10-07-2011, 01:53 PM
Hi Patty!!!! I miss you!!!!:seeya:

that is the story of this case

LE: they are not cooperating
family: yes we are

family: jeremy is talking with police
LE: no he is not

D: I took the poly voluntarily
LE: not taken voluntarily
((list goes on))

Ooh, my quote about this is after yours. I'm sorry I'm slow! I'm at work :shush:

kai
10-07-2011, 01:54 PM
Parents will be on FOX this afternoon with Judge Jeanine

Ya know... I am not Deborah but IF one of my precious babies was missing and I for whatever unknown to us reason had quit cooperating with the police- I would not be doing the national media circuit tour. IF I did make that decision and I was innocent, I would use every bit of air time I could get to "talk" to whoever had my baby. I would be telling them she likes to be wrapped up to fall asleep, she loves her binkie- please make sure she has a binkie so she will calm down, she has a cold- please make sure you get her medical attention somehow etc... etc... My NUMBER ONE concern would be how I could still take care of my baby and make sure she was ok.

Thoughts trail back to Desiree and her in the first days telling the media about Kyron being allergic to bee stings etc... In my opinion this was her being a mama to Kyron still as little as she could be from a horrifying distance.

And that is pretty much all I have to say about that.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Why is she the reporter?? Did her show get cancelled? Thats odd! moo

I don't know about her show, but she is a Fox contributor. Maybe she was close to KC or in KC for another reason and they just used her.

SleuthyMama
10-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Back in this thread quite a few pages now (as it is moving at lighting speed) something was mentioned about the father ending his cooperation with police AFTER they told them/him that mom had failed her poly "miserably." Sorry I don't have a link but I know I read it here.

Help me out here, because I'm not sure yet how I would react if my child was missing and someone told me my husband had failed his polygraph miserably.

Would I stop working with the police? I truly don't know what my reaction would be except that for some reason his unwillingness to cooperate further with LE after finding that out doesn't sit right with me.

liz b.
10-07-2011, 01:55 PM
I predict this will be solved by Sunday.

Or sooner. Especially if the 2: 30 am call was to Lisa's dad...MOO

SuziQ
10-07-2011, 01:55 PM
i.e. if a call was made at 2:30AM then the story thus far does not work...assuming it was made by mom and from the home. Probably hard to tell, unless it was made to someone else in the family, for example...

I would hope LE pinned down by now who was called.

katydid23
10-07-2011, 01:56 PM
The only way I can think that the dad was involved would be if the child had been harmed BEFORE he went to work. Does he have a history of abuse that we know of?

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 01:56 PM
parents avoiding local media
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29418736/detail.html

eta: they used a decoy!

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 01:56 PM
Can anyone answer this for me?

Dad says he came home and checked on boys first and then went to check on Lisa. Saw she was missing, woke up mom and they started looking for her.

It was reported that one son was sleeping with her.

Wouldn't the dad have found one son missing and Lisa missing as well?

Unless he thought they were both missing but found the boy with his mom?


We dont know their sleeping arrangements. The younger son could have slept with mom or mom and dad for awhile now. So if he checked in son's room and saw only 1 boy, that wouldn't have seemed odd to him. IMO

JeannaT
10-07-2011, 01:56 PM
Or sooner. Especially if the 2: 30 am call was to Lisa's dad...MOO

If they can figure out where and to whom the call was made, they could have this solved by dinner time.

lcookster
10-07-2011, 01:58 PM
I have been watching the FOX reports and found the first one this afternoon to be especially ridiculous. And getting Mark on the line who IMO had nothing to contribute at all was ridiculous. Of course we all want to know about the call but I have to chime in with others that just this afternoon, my hubby pocket dialed me. If you have a phone with exposed key pads, it happens a lot. I am curious to know how many hours LE has already spent interviewing the parents. If they have been 'generally cooperative' as the most recent LE report indicates, why flip out and go on TV and announce they're not being cooporative after the Dad says he's exhausted and can't talk any more that evening. I am glad they have a chief now- one of the press statements from a police officer I saw earlier, he looked like a deer in the headlights and didn't have a lot of gravitas.

LotsaLatte
10-07-2011, 01:58 PM
I can't keep up! This thread is flying - I leave for 2 minutes and get lost.

I can't remember if this was already gone over - so please forgive me if it was:

Did LE search that building behind the house (looks like a shop/garage) in addition to the home? And any surrounding garages/sheds, yards, etc.? I am sure they did but can someone point me to where I can find that information if I missed it?

matou
10-07-2011, 01:58 PM
Was the wife sleeping when the husband came home? If she called someone at 2:30 am then she probably wasn't sleeping since she had to get rid of the phones i.e. go outside and dump them somewhere and she would have to be up and "fake" sleeping. Unless another perp did this and called from the phone by accident while inside of the house and she was sleeping during this. Or the father helped her dump the phones. JMO

Renea
10-07-2011, 01:58 PM
Does anyone know if the mom ever said she turned out the lights and locked the doors and then checked on the baby and went to bed at 10:30.

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 01:59 PM
what were the hours that the father is reported to have been away from home at work?

katydid23
10-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Back in this thread quite a few pages now (as it is moving at lighting speed) something was mentioned about the father ending his cooperation with police AFTER they told them/him that mom had failed her poly "miserably." Sorry I don't have a link but I know I read it here.

Help me out here, because I'm not sure yet how I would react if my child was missing and someone told me my husband had failed his polygraph miserably.

Would I stop working with the police? I truly don't know what my reaction would be except that for some reason his unwillingness to cooperate further with LE after finding that out doesn't sit right with me.

I have the same question. If my husband was innocent in my heart then I would stand by him unless something concrete proved him guilty. So I am not sure it means anything bad. I just don't know.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Does anyone else think that the new KCPD Chief was appointed so quickly for political reasons or was he/she expected to be appointed? I don't know who was appointed but heard that a new Chief was just sworn in. If not expected, could it be they were appointed so quickly because they expect this case to be solved today or tomorrow and want the new chief to get the credit for it? Just a random thought on my part...

laytonian
10-07-2011, 01:59 PM
just a little aside, but my BIL is the general manager at the auto auction that got the Susan Smith car after it was pulled out the water....

they fix everything that needs repaired and then have dealer auctions.. and yes this car was cleaned up and auctioned off..

can you imagine buying it????? omg!!!!

Your BIL is foolin' ya.

"David received the Mazda that he later had destroyed after Susan’s trial was completed."
Source: TruTV.com (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/trial_9.html)

After a car's been in the water/mud for a week, it would cost more than a new car, to fix it. Besides the upholstery and carpeting, water and mud would have ruined the fuel tank, engine, transmission -- and been inside the doors and side panels. PLUS, because it was evidence, it wouldn't have been cleaned up quickly. A 1990 Mazda Protege. Definitely not worth rescuing.

Oct 25, 1994: Smith kills her children
May 25, 1995: Police put a video in the same car, and dunk it back in the lake

Source: Associated Press (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/may/25/police-re-enact-sinking-of-car-authorities-find/)

Wanting2Help
10-07-2011, 01:59 PM
A while back I read that dad came home early that night, did they ever say why???

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:01 PM
SHAWNEE, Kan. - Deffenbaugh Industries confirms law enforcement officers are searching their Johnson County landfill.

Earlier, NBC Action News received an anonymous tip the search is in connection to the case of Lisa Irwin, the 10-month-old girl who was reported missing Tuesday morning.
The landfill is located near Interstate 435 and Holliday Drive.
It was not immediately clear what may have brought investigators to the landfill or what exactly they’re looking for.


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn

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TobyWong*
10-07-2011, 02:01 PM
If they can figure out where and to whom the call was made, they could have this solved by dinner time.

They have to know. It would be the next line on the sheet. Call out @ 2:3? to number 555-1212 for x amount of time. IMO It's a chess match. And LE wants the end to result in finding the baby. If they just jump now then we may never know. IMO

Jetaime
10-07-2011, 02:01 PM
parents avoiding local media
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29418736/detail.html

eta: they used a decoy!

Allrighty then. What grieving parents would not even acknowledge a news reporter trying to HELP find their baby??? Hmm. I am officially off the fence. Unfreagginbelievable. :(

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:02 PM
A while back I read that dad came home early that night, did they ever say why???

Do we know exactly what time? Was it before 10:30 pm?

lcookster
10-07-2011, 02:02 PM
Ya know... I am not Deborah but IF one of my precious babies was missing and I for whatever unknown to us reason had quit cooperating with the police- I would not be doing the national media circuit tour. IF I did make that decision and I was innocent, I would use every bit of air time I could get to "talk" to whoever had my baby. I would be telling them she likes to be wrapped up to fall asleep, she loves her binkie- please make sure she has a binkie so she will calm down, she has a cold- please make sure you get her medical attention somehow etc... etc... My NUMBER ONE concern would be how I could still take care of my baby and make sure she was ok.

Thoughts trail back to Desiree and her in the first days telling the media about Kyron being allergic to bee stings etc... In my opinion this was her being a mama to Kyron still as little as she could be from a horrifying distance.

And that is pretty much all I have to say about that.

Really? The 'national media tour'???? They went on Today, probably defensive that one hour after they said they were exhausted and couldn't talk any more that evening LE puts out a big statement that they are not cooperating? IN these situations people get criticized if they do go to the media and criticized if they don't go to the media. If you are the parents right now, you just can't catch a break. This whole thing makes me sad.

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:03 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

luckyme
10-07-2011, 02:03 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?

AnaTeresa
10-07-2011, 02:03 PM
A while back I read that dad came home early that night, did they ever say why???

It was poor wording, from what we can tell. He came home in the early morning hours, but did not leave the job early, at least from what I've seen in the media.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 02:04 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

Netz? maybe spelling?

AnaTeresa
10-07-2011, 02:04 PM
Allrighty then. What grieving parents would not even acknowledge a news reporter trying to HELP find their baby??? Hmm. I am officially off the fence. Unfreagginbelievable. :(

Our local poster has already mentioned that some of the reporters aren't behaving well. There was also a call last night because the reporters would not leave the yard after the parents asked them to. Could be the local news isn't being as professional as the national reporters.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:04 PM
Skytracker is headed to the landfill and we have ground crews headed there as well. We'll post more information here as soon as it becomes available.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7ZdoqDm

they are sending helicopter to the landfill

TobyWong*
10-07-2011, 02:04 PM
what were the hours that the father is reported to have been away from home at work?

Further, what kind of job was it? A quick 1/2 hour call, multiple calls or a full shift w/ co-workers, a time clock and security cameras?

snowshuze
10-07-2011, 02:05 PM
Oh LORD. Not AGAIN. :(

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:05 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?
Less than 10 miles?? It's just inside the kansas border.

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 02:05 PM
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Wow...that is interesting! Did anyone else hear in the past pages that the garbage in that area went out the following morning after Lisa went missing? I would have thought that the garbage would have been checked or maybe I read this wrong.

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

Netz or Nezt? I think the former.

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
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Interesting. I am going to be driving right past the dump later today. I'll see if I can see any activity. My heart breaks for little Lisa.

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
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OH NOOOOO!


Nurseebeeme, IIRC, you found out what company JI worked for (reading off his truck) do we know if he is on call/traveling etc or does he work out of a building? Just wondering if he had the ability to go home during the night or not. IMO

Kimbreeley
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

The other was Netz

Wanting2Help
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Do we know exactly what time? Was it before 10:30 pm?

No, it said he came home early that night at around 4am. I was wondering what time he was expected to be there if 4am was earlier than expected. And why he got there early? I have heard no more mention of it though...

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Do we know exactly what time? Was it before 10:30 pm?

He came home at 3:30 am if my memory serves me right.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Wow...that is interesting! Did anyone else hear in the past pages that the garbage in that area went out the following morning after Lisa went missing? I would have thought that the garbage would have been checked or maybe I read this wrong.

Maybe they put her in another garbage? phones? baby?

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Further, what kind of job was it? A quick 1/2 hour call, multiple calls or a full shift w/ co-workers, a time clock and security cameras?

It was reported up thread that he was working at a Starbucks. Not sure if it was a new construct or repair.

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Netz or Nezt? I think the former.

It is Netz. Thank you!!

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 02:07 PM
The landfill search makes me so sad. I was on the Somer Thompson search and this brings back memories of that. I was literally out searching when one of the Navy guys told me that she had been found. I immediately started crying and that poor guy didn't have a clue what to do with himself!

Nana
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

Was it Netz? maybe??

Jetaime
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
they are sending helicopter to the landfill

:(

Ohhhh, my heart. Praying this tip is just a cruel hoax...

meowmo
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
I live in MO, born and raised, and seriously, we are the METH CAPITAL of the nation. Don't throw our the idea that this is drug-related just yet, my friends. Most unfortunate situations around here eventually lead back to drugs.

On another note... we have this handy dandy little thing called MO Case Net (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do), which allows public access to court records. Looked up Jeremy Irwin, nothing major. Ducking taxes, traffic tickets, paternity. Does anyone know if Deborah's maiden name is Bradley? Any other last names she might have had?

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??


deborah l netz

Duke Fan4
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
George & Cindy

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 02:08 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?

Not within walking distance for sure. It takes about 30 minutes to drive from north KC to Shawnee. At least it did me when I lived there (North KC) 3 years ago. BUT, I think that all garbage carriers (Deffenbaugh in this case) dumps there at the landfill.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:09 PM
OH NOOOOO!


Nurseebeeme, IIRC, you found out what company JI worked for (reading off his truck) do we know if he is on call/traveling etc or does he work out of a building? Just wondering if he had the ability to go home during the night or not. IMO

swannie fox news live just reported he was working on a new starbucks but his company truck (seen in all the videos of the house posted) says "all current electric" on it

JeannaT
10-07-2011, 02:09 PM
I live in MO, born and raised, and seriously, we are the METH CAPITAL of the nation. Don't throw our the idea that this is drug-related just yet, my friends. Most unfortunate situations around here eventually lead back to drugs.

On another note... we have this handy dandy little thing called MO Case Net (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do), which allows public access to court records. Looked up Jeremy Irwin, nothing major. Ducking taxes, traffic tickets, paternity. Does anyone know if Deborah's maiden name is Bradley? Any other last names she might have had?

I think her parent's name is Bradley, so yes.

wfgodot
10-07-2011, 02:10 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?
17.6 miles / 29 minutes from block of 3600 N Lister to Shawnee proper.

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 02:10 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?

Deffenbaugh pretty much handles the trash for the entire area around here. There was a huge fight a few years back when Deffenbaugh wanted Shawnee to extend their permit allowing them more time at that location prior to closing the dump. I've seen Deffenbaugh trucks all over town. They pretty much ran everyone else out of business in Kansas. Not sure about MO.

Shawnee is southwest of the home.

Sleuths4Me
10-07-2011, 02:10 PM
Please Lord, do not let this be another Caylee :(

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:11 PM
I've held back from commenting but, I just watched the video of the mother and father speaking and thought this comment was odd.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581

"I made her a bottle and laid her down...that was the last time "WE" saw her"...and as she says "we", she looks straight at her husband.

My question is that this is reported to have occurred at 10:30 pm, no? What time was the father supposed to have been at work that night?

Another thing that I know is subject to appearing as "judging" but, I don't feel it is. I just think that observing small things could be important. Such as does Lisa's Mom normally put her children to bed in pj's?

If so, I thought it was odd that baby Lisa is reported to have been last seen in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt...they do not say pj's so, I can only draw the conclusion that Mom "laid her down" (to bed) and prepared a bottle for her but, not put her child in pj's.

It's just one of those things that has stuck in my mind and has absolutely nothing to do with being critical of her parenting.

The boys were home with her so that may be what she meant by "WE". (the brothers)

Duke Fan4
10-07-2011, 02:11 PM
Geez I post a reply and it comes up 3 pages later. I need to learn how to do this.

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:11 PM
http://delcotimes.com/articles/2011/10/06/news/doc4e8d126a97a3c717320879.txt
very interesting article!!

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:11 PM
I want to know if the bottle was in the crib? Or did the kidnapper take that too?

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:12 PM
I've held back from commenting but, I just watched the video of the mother and father speaking and thought this comment was odd.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581

"I made her a bottle and laid her down...that was the last time "WE" saw her"...and as she says "we", she looks straight at her husband.

My question is that this is reported to have occurred at 10:30 pm, no? What time was the father supposed to have been at work that night?

Another thing that I know is subject to appearing as "judging" but, I don't feel it is. I just think that observing small things could be important. Such as does Lisa's Mom normally put her children to bed in pj's?

If so, I thought it was odd that baby Lisa is reported to have been last seen in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt...they do not say pj's so, I can only draw the conclusion that Mom "laid her down" (to bed) and prepared a bottle for her but, not put her child in pj's.

It's just one of those things that has stuck in my mind and has absolutely nothing to do with being critical of her parenting.


No, it said he came home early that night at around 4am. I was wondering what time he was expected to be there if 4am was earlier than expected. And why he got there early? I have heard no more mention of it though...

This is what's setting off my hinky-meter the most...was Dad there at home at 10:30 pm as Mom laid baby Lisa down?

wfgodot
10-07-2011, 02:12 PM
202 members / 191 guests right now - guests, join WS, no special abilities needed, I'm living proof of that!

Jetaime
10-07-2011, 02:12 PM
Maybe dad talked to LE after all! That's why this sudden tip is 'anonymous'--- for now? moo

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:13 PM
http://delcotimes.com/articles/2011/10/06/news/doc4e8d126a97a3c717320879.txt
very interesting article!!

I don't know if I have ever even met any of my second cousins. lol.

liz b.
10-07-2011, 02:13 PM
They have to know. It would be the next line on the sheet. Call out @ 2:3? to number 555-1212 for x amount of time. IMO It's a chess match. And LE wants the end to result in finding the baby. If they just jump now then we may never know. IMO

IMO dad did talk to LE this morning... That's why the landfill search...This is just tragic...MOO

ETA dad got home at 3:30. 911 call was 4 am... Parents say they spent time running around the house looking for Lisa.. That 30 minutes is the window...MOO

luvbeaches
10-07-2011, 02:13 PM
Not within walking distance for sure. It takes about 30 minutes to drive from north KC to Shawnee. BUT, I think that all garbage carriers (Deffenbaugh in this case) dumps there at the landfill.

They do all dump there, but Deffenbaugh owns the landfill. It's no longer owned by the Deffenbaugh family. Ron Deffenbaugh was very charitable to the surrounding cities when it came to donating money. He even donated a building to Shawnee. I don't think he's alive. I remember he broke his back in a fall and I think that's when he sold the dump. Or it may have been when he divorced his wife. Deffenbaugh also has other interests, it's just the dump you hear about the most.

swanniee11
10-07-2011, 02:13 PM
I think her parent's name is Bradley, so yes.



from what I've gathered.. Married name is Bradley, Maiden name is Netz, she goes by deborah netz now.

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 02:14 PM
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:furious::banghead::banghead::banghead:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I reaLly was trying NOT to listen to my gut instincts.

The 3 cell phones are missing because---

parents didnt want le to know who was call who to hide information?? JUST a guess.



imo

elepher50
10-07-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm internet searching at the minute. The mother had 2 different last names when this was all first reported. Deborah Bradley and ??? Anyone remember??

Netz ..was the other name

Kimbreeley
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
IMO dad did talk to LE this morning... That's why the landfill search...This is just tragic...MOO

This says the tip was received by the news station.
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case

Wanting2Help
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
It was poor wording, from what we can tell. He came home in the early morning hours, but did not leave the job early, at least from what I've seen in the media.

From what we learned today about a possible phone call at 2:30am, it made me think of this, and I wonder if she did call him and he did come home early...

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't know if I have ever even met any of my second cousins. lol.

Then you're obviously not from this part of the country. :floorlaugh:

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
IMO dad did talk to LE this morning... That's why the landfill search...This is just tragic...MOO

if it's going the way I've been feeling, this makes me just want to:sick:...

TobyWong*
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Really? The 'national media tour'???? They went on Today, probably defensive that one hour after they said they were exhausted and couldn't talk any more that evening LE puts out a big statement that they are not cooperating? IN these situations people get criticized if they do go to the media and criticized if they don't go to the media. If you are the parents right now, you just can't catch a break. This whole thing makes me sad.

BBM That's how I saw it. They are scheduled for Judge jeannie (?) tomorrow. And also made it known that they will not talk local anymore. IMO they knew the light was gonna fade the minute LE went public. Get as much in as possible before the real story comes out. IMO.
And I'm sorry but Lisa, the missing baby, has not caught a break. Thats all I care about @ this time.

Truely not trying to be snarky.I'm in way to far w/ this baby.

KaylynnCouture
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Video of the parents on Good Morning America, for those who missed it..

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
http://g.co/maps/zrmqw

landfill added to map...

to see other case points click on blue pins to the left

elepher50
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
from what I've gathered.. Married name is Bradley, Maiden name is Netz, she goes by deborah netz now.

Parents last name is Netz I believe. Bradley last name I believe came from a marriage to the father of her son?

I sure stand to be corrected on this.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 02:15 PM
It has been three days!!! If something as tiny as baby is in there its gonna take along time! unless the landfill found her first! maybe???

AnonymousD
10-07-2011, 02:16 PM
Sorry she said Saturday night 9pm Judge Janeen will have the family on her show.

JMO....again, strange. They are already planning out to have a "need" to be on a show tomorrow night @ 9pm?

ETA: I had not read far enough ahead when I posted this to know about the landfill search :(

fraudqueen
10-07-2011, 02:16 PM
We can pray they are only looking for the phones at the landfill.

marge_rita
10-07-2011, 02:16 PM
IMO dad did talk to LE this morning... That's why the landfill search...This is just tragic...MOO

its more than tragic---IF the parents killed the child.........it's the most evil thing one can do imo.

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 02:16 PM
Here you go. This is the article that has the transcript of the interview that caused a few of us to be suspicious about. I've included a few excerpts but the article is and excellent one to read.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea (http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea)

Dad stated-

“I came home from work and the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. The window in the front was open.

It was the baby’s dad, Jeremy Irwin, who discovered Lisa was missing from her crib at around 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. He told police he had returned home after working a night shift as an electrician, went to check on the couple's children, saw their sons sleeping, and noticed the baby's crib was empty.


The couple said they ran around the house calling out the baby’s name and waking up their two young sons. The boys started crying as they scrambled to find a phone to call 911.

Father tells his story – reveals new details

“I came home from work and the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. The window in the front was open.

"Obviously that was all very unusual. Then I started checking on the kids – I checked on the boys first and then we checked on her [Lisa] and that’s when we realized she was gone,” Jeremy said.

.Jeremy said, “They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn’t call anybody.”
Asked if the boys heard anything Jeremy said, “I don’t think so. The window that was open was nowhere near their bedroom so I don’t think they heard anything. They’re both pretty heavy sleepers.”

Deborah clarified that the window was in a computer room that’s also used as a second living room.

Mother tearfully tells her story
The window that appeared to be tampered with was not the baby’s room as many have suspected. Instead, it was an office used as a second living room, Deborah said.


While discussing the cell phones that had been taken from the home, Deborah said, “They were on the counter in the kitchen. And there’s, uh, whenever we woke up … I woke up … and he came home andI, and he said ‘she’s not in her crib’ and I said ‘what do you mean she’s not in her crib?’ and I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong.

TobyWong*
10-07-2011, 02:16 PM
swannie fox news live just reported he was working on a new starbucks but his company truck (seen in all the videos of the house posted) says "all current electric" on it

Locals, where is a new starbucks going in??

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 02:17 PM
If someone hid the phones to keep call history info from the police, then they clearly need How To Be A Criminal 101. Good grief. LE can get that info with barely any effort at all. "Oh no! They hid the phones?? However will we get the information?? Might as well give up."

NOT!

CHICANA
10-07-2011, 02:18 PM
The police know something!!!!!! Shawnee Kansas? How far from the house?
20-30 minutes

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:19 PM
IMO dad did talk to LE this morning... That's why the landfill search...This is just tragic...MOO

ETA dad got home at 3:30. 911 call was 4 am... Parents say they spent time running around the house looking for Lisa.. That 30 minutes is the window...MOO

This has been posted wrong over and again. The dad arrived home at 4:00 am. Not sure why it is being said 3:30 am?

mrsu
10-07-2011, 02:19 PM
Am I confusing cases here. I thought this happened in the aliayah Lunsford case where they tracked her scent to the water???????? :waitasec:

No...on FOX NEWS it was asked to the reporter that there have been RUMORS to FOX that dogs had traced the mother's scent to the River and what could the reporter state about that. The reporter said it was a rumor and that the dogs didn't come up with anyone's scent.

Seems odd they wouldn't recover a scent at all, so I was guessing perhaps there was a shred of truth to the rumor but police will not confirm it.

liz b.
10-07-2011, 02:21 PM
its more than tragic---IF the parents killed the child.........it's the most evil thing one can do imo.

I do not think either parent harmed Lisa MOO

yllek
10-07-2011, 02:21 PM
Parents last name is Netz I believe. Bradley last name I believe came from a marriage to the father of her son?

I sure stand to be corrected on this.

You are correct. The child support case in is Case Net. Her ex's last name is Bradley, as is the son for whom she is collecting child support.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:21 PM
Police have confirmed for KCTV5 that authorities are currently on site at Deffenbaugh Industries, located near I-435 and Holliday Drive, searching the landfill for missing 10-month-old baby Lisa Irwin.http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:22 PM
.Jeremy said, “They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn’t call anybody.”

How would a kidnapper not know if they had a phone in their bedroom on a landline? The "so we couldnt call anybody" seems odd when a kidnapper wouldnt have taken the cell phones like that...not when possible a bedroom landline phone existed...so what is the point? Surely even if their cells were brand new fancy iphones...even at that...a kidnapper is not dumb..they know it would be traced to them...so why would kidnappers take their phones?

matou
10-07-2011, 02:22 PM
So check baby at 10:30pm
Phone call at 2:30 am
Dad home at 3:30 am
911 call at 4:00 am (from where?)

3 days later: landfill search
.......this is horrible.

Gardenlady
10-07-2011, 02:22 PM
Please don't let that baby be in the landfill. :praying:

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
As for the cell phones being taken...how did the perpetrators "know" that the family home did NOT have a land line and so by taking the cell phones they would prevent the family from calling 911???

Also, how many cases have we looked at where cell phones were taken WITH the child in an abduction...any???

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-no-new-clues-in-search-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story

mrye4709
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
If it is drug related it is possible that someone would make a call (and maybe not say anything) to make it look like the parent did. I just don't want to believe that this mother would be this good at acting and did do something to Lisa. Wasn't trash picked up this morning? I guess it would already be at the dump?

elepher50
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa

I am just simply gobsmacked on this one beemer ..... just floor thudding gobsmacked.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa

Speechless. :(

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 02:23 PM
Really? The 'national media tour'???? They went on Today, probably defensive that one hour after they said they were exhausted and couldn't talk any more that evening LE puts out a big statement that they are not cooperating? IN these situations people get criticized if they do go to the media and criticized if they don't go to the media. If you are the parents right now, you just can't catch a break. This whole thing makes me sad.


In this video the family states that they will not talk to local news anymore because they've made a MEDIA DEAL with only one network.

This was last night after the info came out they were not cooperating anymore. Pretty fast in my book, I'd be screaming to anyone who wanted to talk to me...(can I guess it's Fox)

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

chieftess
10-07-2011, 02:24 PM
Deffenbaugh pretty much handles the trash for the entire area around here. There was a huge fight a few years back when Deffenbaugh wanted Shawnee to extend their permit allowing them more time at that location prior to closing the dump. I've seen Deffenbaugh trucks all over town. They pretty much ran everyone else out of business in Kansas. Not sure about MO.

Shawnee is southwest of the home.
I'm in the northland and we have Deffenbaugh also. I don't know about the area of the Irwin's home.

SleuthyMama
10-07-2011, 02:24 PM
I would think that a if Baby Lisa was abducted by a stranger, she would still be alive. The thought process being that it was someone who wanted a child.

The fact that they are searching a landfill, which turns my stomach, gives me yet one more reason to think it was one of the parents.

AnaTeresa
10-07-2011, 02:24 PM
What I'd like to know - was a call made from mom's phone, or do they actually have mom's voice on the line? Because those are two very different things, to me.

lishac23
10-07-2011, 02:25 PM
Video of the parents on Good Morning America, for those who missed it..

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html

Did anyone else notice when Matt asked DB if she thought Dad was hiding something (paraphrasing) she said he was a good father, was good to her (paraphrasing again cause I can't remember the time mark) that he loved her (lisa), everybody loved her "BUT" she then pauses, stops her self, starts sniffling and changes the subject to "we just want our daughter back" (iirc).

My typical "suspect everyone" self was on the parents side, maybe wishful thinking that she looked so loved and well cared for but now I'm definitely on the fence.

kai
10-07-2011, 02:25 PM
Really? The 'national media tour'???? They went on Today, probably defensive that one hour after they said they were exhausted and couldn't talk any more that evening LE puts out a big statement that they are not cooperating? IN these situations people get criticized if they do go to the media and criticized if they don't go to the media. If you are the parents right now, you just can't catch a break. This whole thing makes me sad.

My national media quote was derived from the announcement they would be on a Fox program later. The Today show and Fox to me are national media. It has been reported that they aren't willing to talk to local reporters anymore.

My main point wasn't intended to be about the media anyway. My main point was that if I was the mom of a missing baby and I was innocent- I wouldn't just sit there crying and keep repeating that the main focus was "Lisa". If I truly believed that my baby had been taken from her crib in the middle of the night, I would be fighting for my baby to come home SAFE. I would be begging and pleading with who took her and I would be making sure she was cared for and taken care of in the meantime.

I have no idea what happened to Lisa. It makes me sad also.

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:25 PM
So check baby at 10:30pm
Phone call at 2:30 am
Dad home at 3:30 am
911 call at 4:00 am (from where?)

3 days later: landfill search
.......this is horrible.

Dad home from work at 4:00 am. The 3:30 am is a mistake someone keeps putting on here.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/07/general-us-baby-missing_8723244.html
"Irwin, an electrician, said he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley said she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m. and that when Lisa disappeared she was asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day. "

matou
10-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Police are coming up live on FOX news.

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Oh my gosh! Did you guys see this story on Nurses link??? Who would have ever thought!

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15523405/infant-falls-out-of-bed-onto-plug?utm_source=va&utm_medium=rec&utm_campaign=content

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Per Fox News: Police will be on live next.

Kimbreeley
10-07-2011, 02:26 PM
LE is making a statement on Fox News tv in just a minute

Dewey2Me1MoThyme
10-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Sorry I haven't contributed much recently, I've been far too busy with repairs on the home. Here's what bothers me, and it may have been discussed. Three phones, TracFones maybe?, went missing supposedly from the crime scene via the perp. Why were there 3 fones in the home when the husband was at work? Wouldn't he have taken his untracable fone with him in case his wife needed to contact him?
Both my wife and I have TracFones, if she goes to town shopping she almost always carries hers, and calls before leaving the malls to ask if there is anything I need before she leaves the area. It saves us a good many trips back to the city and not only that, should she not be home in 30 mins after talking to her, I call to see if she is ok. Thirty minutes is a generous time for her to get home after calling, and if she should run into foul play or car problems, she is not sitting out there for hours awaiting help. It's a small safety net for her. Even when she worked 4 mins from home she would call and say I'm leaving now to come home. If she wasn't home in 20 mins, I knew something was wrong. So why did hubby leave his fone home for the perp to steal?

Lavanda Dolce
10-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Dad home from work at 4:00 am. The 3:30 am is a mistake someone keeps putting on here.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/07/general-us-baby-missing_8723244.html
"Irwin, an electrician, said he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley said she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m. and that when Lisa disappeared she was asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day. "

Hate to say this but it has happened before and is what some call a wives tale...but I've heard of kittens smothering babies by putting heads in their mouths to lick milk bottle residue. Could the stray kitten have done that and that is what the mom found? Maybe stray kitten went to bed with baby and not mom and son? Just a thought.

cluciano63
10-07-2011, 02:27 PM
I think LE put the pressure on for a confession...it may not work, but I think they know quite a bit by now...JMo of course.

luckyme
10-07-2011, 02:27 PM
The FBI is searching the landfill?

SleuthyMama
10-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Please someone, keep us posted! I'm at work and can't watch video.

justbeachy
10-07-2011, 02:28 PM
I've gotta pick up the kiddos from school. Great...just as I typed that it started raining.

Anyhoo, will be running through the door later to get on WS and check the latest. Of course, you guys will be another 60 pages into a new thread by then and I'll never catch up! LOL

Cher352
10-07-2011, 02:28 PM
If the 2:30 phone call traces to a tower servicing the home and a number of someone known to mom (or someone shady), it's very damning, imo. I don't believe an intruder accidently dialed someone. If an intruder was so keenly focused on the the family's cell phones for some reason (which is suspicious in itself), I think he/she would simply remove the batteries straight off or at least make sure to hit the off button; not dial out and raise a flag.

Why would an intruder take phones? No reason whatsoever, imo. They are typically traceable and have helped catch many a perp. They couldn't be sold for much and tracking the buyer through pings or records could lead back to the intruder. Removing them would not slow a 911 call from being made much at all in that neighborhood - probably 4 houses with phones accessible in seconds. I agree with some others here who believe the cell phones are key to determining who removed Lisa from the home.

MOO.

I had brought this yesterday's Orlando news story up earlier this morning:

A 70-year-old woman who was beaten and robbed by home intruders.

AND...

Deputies are still searching for the robbers, who also took a cable box and several phones from Bell's home.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/29409403/detail.html

What is it with missing phones?????

Janeumayer
10-07-2011, 02:28 PM
Oh God! Cant stand the suspense!

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:29 PM
Do we need to start a new thread??

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 02:29 PM
My national media quote was derived from the announcement they would be on a Fox program later. The Today show and Fox to me are national media. It has been reported that they aren't willing to talk to local reporters anymore.

My main point wasn't intended to be about the media anyway. My main point was that if I was the mom of a missing baby and I was innocent- I wouldn't just sit there crying and keep repeating that the main focus was "Lisa". If I truly believed that my baby had been taken from her crib in the middle of the night, I would be fighting for my baby to come home SAFE. I would be begging and pleading with who took her and I would be making sure she was cared for and taken care of in the meantime.

I have no idea what happened to Lisa. It makes me sad also.


In this video the family states that they will not talk to local news anymore because they've made a MEDIA DEAL with only one network.

This was last night after the info came out they were not cooperating anymore. Pretty fast in my book, I'd be screaming to anyone who wanted to talk to me...(can I guess it's Fox)

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

Kai there even more foundation for your statement in the link above! It's a big flag for me.

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:29 PM
Dad home from work at 4:00 am. The 3:30 am is a mistake someone keeps putting on here.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/07/general-us-baby-missing_8723244.html
"Irwin, an electrician, said he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley said she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m. and that when Lisa disappeared she was asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day. "

And still...does anyone know what time Dad "went" to work? And if he was at work or at home @ 10:30 pm?

In da Middle
10-07-2011, 02:29 PM
In Da House..what's the feeling like there in the neighborhood?

Maybe they found the cellphones in the field or in the sewers. Maybe they had incriminating evidence on them against whoever is responsible. MOO


Kinda behind cause real life calls, but...
I was out when this was revealed publicly and now police spokesman and several other higher ranking LE are all back up there and the media trucks are back to making getting thru here miserable! You would think they would be a little more polite as in parking their trucks and walking across in the middle of the streets! UGH!

Janeumayer
10-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Do we need to start a new thread??

Not Yet! LOL

wfgodot
10-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Do we need to start a new thread??

Hi in Neodesha, btw. I taught in Fredonia for several years.

raeann
10-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Locals, where is a new starbucks going in??

Hahahaha.....probably in about a dozen locations.....but I will try to see if I can track down some of them if possible....

SailorMoon
10-07-2011, 02:31 PM
I'll throw in my 2cents - I haven't watched or seen the parents until now - and my hink meter went off. I hope I'm wrong, but sure is a suspicous kidnapping. But then again, look at Jessica in Florida. One night is all it took for the door to be unlocked and bam, she's gone.

nursebeeme
10-07-2011, 02:31 PM
http://www.kcmo.org/CKCMO/Depts/PublicWorks/BulkyItemCollectionProgram/SolidWasteCollectionZones-North/index.htm

I think trash pick up for them is Tuesdays (yellow area of map)

MaciBean
10-07-2011, 02:31 PM
Hi in Neodesha, btw. I taught in Fredonia for several years.
Fredonia Homecoming was last weekend!! I'm still adjusting to the "small town mentality" around here. lol

norest4thewicked
10-07-2011, 02:32 PM
I had brought this yesterday's Orlando news story up earlier this morning:

A 70-year-old woman who was beaten and robbed by home intruders.

AND...

Deputies are still searching for the robbers, who also took a cable box and several phones from Bell's home.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/29409403/detail.html

What is it with missing phones?????

We were robbed about 4 years ago and they took all of our phones too. And, we had 5 of them for only 2 people! But that was because we had an extra for my husbands work, an extra for mine and one that wasn't working.

SurfieTX
10-07-2011, 02:32 PM
Live streams:

http://www.kctv5.com/category/215384/kctv5-livestream-mva1

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/livestreaming/ (? active helicopter near landfill?)

cluciano63
10-07-2011, 02:33 PM
For a robbery, sure, phones are taken...but it sounds like only phones and a baby were taken here...

pferrin
10-07-2011, 02:33 PM
Did anyone else notice when Matt asked DB if she thought Dad was hiding something (paraphrasing) she said he was a good father, was good to her (paraphrasing again cause I can't remember the time mark) that he loved her (lisa), everybody loved her "BUT" she then pauses, stops her self, starts sniffling and changes the subject to "we just want our daughter back" (iirc).

My typical "suspect everyone" self was on the parents side, maybe wishful thinking that she looked so loved and well cared for but now I'm definitely on the fence.

She said "he loved her..everybody loved her"???? not he loves her ..everybody loves her. that tells me a bunch.

miabellamoure
10-07-2011, 02:34 PM
We were robbed about 4 years ago and they took all of our phones too. And, we had 5 of them for only 2 people! But that was because we had an extra for my husbands work, an extra for mine and one that wasn't working.

I'm guessing that they took more than "just" your cell phones, no?

anothersheart71
10-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Good morning ya'll!

Wow, I tried to catch up on these threads this morning and couldn't even come close! All the morning talk shows are talking about this case, so I listened up there. Two things I learned from the radio (sorry if #1 has already been posted...)

1. Radio talk show host said that Missouri does not save cell phone pings (or it's illegal to get cell phone pings) and that's why the police are having trouble finding the phones. I guess in Kansas it is legal to get pings. I've never heard this before!

2. A caller called into a different morning show and said her co-worker knows JI and then said a somewhat vague rumor. Mods, is it okay to print a rumor as long as we say it is a rumor?


Kelsey's Law deals with the cell phone pings and LE being able to obtain this information. This law is a result of the Kelsey Smith case. Kansas passed it in 2009. I cannot find where Missouri ever passed it. I know that Kelsey's Army is trying for it on the federal level.

http://kelseysarmy.org/

BeanE
10-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Livestream of landfill search:

http://www.kctv5.com/category/215375/kctv5-livestream-mva2

cluciano63
10-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Is Fox the only network dealing with this? I hate to give them ratings, even for a minute...

tiredblondy
10-07-2011, 02:35 PM
In this video the family states that they will not talk to local news anymore because they've made a MEDIA DEAL with only one network.


This was last night after the info came out they were not cooperating anymore. Pretty fast in my book, I'd be screaming to anyone who wanted to talk to me...(can I guess it's Fox)

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

Kia You're not the only one who was concerned.