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grandmaj
10-08-2011, 12:44 PM
New thread. Please remember the rules. We are not sleuthing random people. Mom and Dad only. We are not talking about parentage or anything else regarding any of the children.

Follow MSM lead and don't accuse anyone not named in MSM as a suspect.

Do not post rumors from Facebook, blogs or other sources. If you can't link you cannot discuss.

Thanks.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 12:53 PM
Brought forward from last thread:


Today, 12:40 PM Pacific2011


Quote: Originally Posted by BeanE
CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
32 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
57 minutes ago

Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy


Pardon my lack of knowledge re: twitter, tweeting, re-tweeting etc., but does this informatiion pertain to today's messages, or is the information from a previous day. . . . Is there any way to include a date when posting this type of information? TIA.

The date and time are included.

- If it's the current date, then only the time is shown, e.g., as in my post, "57 minutes ago". The tweets I posted above, therefore, are from today. If you want to confirm the date, you can click the link, go to the tweet, and hover your mouse over the date/time display to confirm the full date and time of the tweet.

- If it's a prior day to the current day, it will show the date. If you see a tweet like that, click the link, go to the tweet, hover your mouse over the date, and a popup display will show you the full date and time the tweet was issued.

mamacita
10-08-2011, 12:53 PM
i'd like to know how dad 'clocks in' for work. does he go on the honor system or have a company/van installed laptop used to log/clock in?

is he paid hourly, per job, or salary? i would think if it were one of the latter 2, he wouldn't be required to work a full 8 hours so it's hard to say when he would have left the home.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 12:53 PM
I just don't think the phones were taken in order to prevent 911 calling...the overwhelming assumption, IMO, would be that other phones would be with the persons in the bedrooms, not to mention possibility of a landline. If they were taken, I think it was a spur of the moment thing. JMO

Knox
10-08-2011, 12:53 PM
Hi all, been following along and praying Lisa will be found safe.

I read a blog entry by Marc Klaas this morning, apologise is it's been posted already. You guys are moving FAST!!!

IMO, Marc post succinctly states where this case went wrong and what needs to be done to improve Lisa's chance of being found. I wish her parents would read this and heed his advice.

I'm on the fence. But if the parents got an attorney and camped out at LE headquarters and stopped the exclusive media deals, I might jump off.

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/10/strange-case-of-baby-lisa.html

Volume
10-08-2011, 12:53 PM
Previously the family members said they were waiting for word from Dad. Was that because Mom was being questioned or because they had an exclusive with ABC?

jjenny
10-08-2011, 12:55 PM
I just don't think the phones were taken in order to prevent 911 calling...the overwhelming assumption, IMO, would be that other phones would be with the persons in the bedrooms, not to mention possibility of a landline. If they were taken, I think it was a spur of the moment thing. JMO

If the phones were taken then police should have been able to trace them.

momtective
10-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-offi...,3181219.story


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-auth...,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
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**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
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Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)
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http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...g_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa...,5671503.story

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**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4

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Originally Posted by BeanE
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif
--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG

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Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011
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(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago

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**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...0&d=1317999122
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image003.jpg



**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/...96530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ˝ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

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Saturday October 8, 2011

Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-0...ice-landfill/2

**Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14695496

Bringing timeline over for Shelby1.

vlpate
10-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Why are they putting things out to the media that are not going to help in the least to find their baby??

She had the baby monitor on....ok

They are cooperating with the police....ok

Where's their pins, T-shirts, command post? Why isn't she holding up a poster of her child EVERY time they are on TV. Why not give the number for the tip line instead of just saying, "call the tip line". I'm believing in their innocence less and less every minute.

There's no sign that these two are really looking for their missing child, none.

my_tee_mouse
10-08-2011, 12:58 PM
carrying annalia's post over from the last thread:


Originally Posted by jjenny
They are looking for a couple with a baby in Ca? That's just silly. How many children are out there fitting Lisa's description?



I bet there will be quite a few of these types of sightings. But how can LE not check it out? Stranger things have happened.

JMHO

Shoot...I just about rear-ended someone yesterday because I spotted a munchkin looking so much like little Lisa. She was being pushed in a stroller by a young lady, and they were visiting with a couple with a baby. While sitting at the stop light, I was able to observe the babe. I decided this child was a bit older than Lisa and had longer hair. Plus, the child was happy and bubbly and obviously knew the people in the group. BUT she most definitely looked an awful lot like Lisa. Come to think of it, my little neighbor favors Lisa as well.

Point being, yep, there will probably be lots of false sightings and finding Lisa could be a needle-in-a-haystack scenario.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:00 PM
Bringing timeline over for Shelby1.

It's a sticky right? Does it take up a lot of space when it's moved from thread to thread? tia

imo

curiositycat
10-08-2011, 01:00 PM
I still keep going back to the fact that this happened the one night dad was out of the home all night long. It reminds me of the old saying, "When the cat's away the mouse will play."

Was someone over there, or maybe several people visiting mom and keeping her company because they knew that dad was gone, and perhaps Lisa hated being alone? Could mom have wanted to hide that info from dad for some reason, thus the deception(if there truly was) in the LD test?

jjenny
10-08-2011, 01:00 PM
carrying annalia's post over from the last thread:






Shoot...I just about rear-ended someone yesterday because I spotted a munchkin looking so much like little Lisa. She was being pushed in a stroller by a young lady, and they were visiting with a couple with a baby. While sitting at the stop light, I was able to observe the babe. I decided this child was a bit older than Lisa and had longer hair. Plus, the child was happy and bubbly and obviously knew the people in the group. BUT she most definitely looked an awful lot like Lisa. Come to think of it, my little neighbor favors Lisa as well.

Point being, yep, there will probably be lots of false sightings and finding Lisa could be a needle-in-a-haystack scenario.

There are gonna be many people calling in saying they saw "baby Lisa." As child growth it develops more of the individuality while it is harder to tell the babies apart.

vlpate
10-08-2011, 01:01 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

my_tee_mouse
10-08-2011, 01:01 PM
I still keep going back to the fact that this happened the one night dad was out of the home all night long. It reminds me of the old saying, "When the cat's away the mouse will play."

Was someone over there, or maybe several people visiting mom and keeping her company because they knew that dad was gone, and perhaps Lisa hated being alone? Could mom have wanted to hide that info from dad for some reason, thus the deception(if there truly was) in the LD test?
That's possible, but surely the neighbors would have noticed and reported the comings and goings?

ETA: Then again, as I gaze out my window I'm reminded that I've been told the people catty-cornered to me throw wild parties, yet I've never heard a bit of it!

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:03 PM
From olther thread--so who's telling the truth? Today 10/08 reports say parents HAVE NOT spoken to LE since Thursday 10/6. Other update says parents talked to LE Friday. I see no reason for the parents to lie about talking to police but-------something is hinky.


imo


Update: Parents still have not talked to LE since Thursday:

UPDATED: 10:46 am CDT October 8, 2011

Police said they still have not heard from Lisa's parents since it was announced on Thursday that Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley stopped "cooperating" with investigators.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29426869/de...#ixzz1aCyGOo00

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:04 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

Maybe this is more unnecessary information being thrown out there.


imo

IrishMist
10-08-2011, 01:04 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

To me, it shows there's a closeness to the family.

iamnotagolem
10-08-2011, 01:06 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

They also have an attached garage that is under the house on the south side.

Katana
10-08-2011, 01:07 PM
Baby Lisa eerily resembles my niece. She's 12 months old and lives within 15 minutes of the Irwin's. I'm afraid if someone sees her they will call in a tip. :phone: I would post a pic if I knew how. Ya'll would freak.

waltzingmatilda
10-08-2011, 01:07 PM
In regards to the California siting, I don't rule anything out. There was a case in VA where a man murdered his girlfriend and abducted her daughter who was 12 or 13, IIRC.
They were spotted arguing in a store parking lot in SF, CA by an astute person who pays attn to the news and reported it. They were found camping under the golden gate bridge.

I can only hope that baby Lisa was taken by a couple who wanted children and that she is being cared for properly. I just cannot think about the alternative.

According to In da Middle, this family was visible in the neighborhood by spending alot of time in the yard with the children. Lisa is such a beautiful baby, maybe just maybe, someone saw her fell in love with her and kidnapped her and fled. I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood moved out of their house around the time Lisa disappeared.

For this theory to work, it would have to be someone who saw her outside and coveted her. Every time I see the pic of her playing with her little kitchen set in the yard, my heart just melts!

I realize this is not really a practical theory. I just want this little darling to be found safe and sound.
MOO

wm

natsound
10-08-2011, 01:07 PM
Where is the information coming from that they struck a deal with a network? The couple didn't say that when walking into the hotel last night. I only heard a woman outside the house of a relative say it to a reporter, and I don't know who that woman was.

eileenhawkeye
10-08-2011, 01:07 PM
If the parents have hidden Lisa somewhere, I think it will backfire on them and they won't make as $$$ as they think. Once it comes out that this is a hoax, the case is over. There has been no books or movies made about the runaway bride or balloon boy. The parents can only make money and get attention as long as Lisa is still missing.

I can't see someone hiding this baby for that long; maybe a few weeks at the most. The parents have a very small window to make as much $$$ off of this as they can. I don't think they would be offered a movie deal at this early in the case. It's the same with a book deal. When I think of cases where the parents wrote a book and/or there was a movie made, this happened years later.

yllek
10-08-2011, 01:09 PM
That's possible, but surely the neighbors would have noticed and reported the comings and goings?

The neighbors do seem to be observant, based on previous interviews. I agree they probably would have noticed comings and goings that night/morning. Possible though that one person could have discreetly come to visit and mom doesn't want to reveal this fact.

If mom is being deceptive and it's related to being unfocused or doing something she thinks she shouldn't have rather than minding Lisa (and she is not actuallly responsible for the disappearance), it's possible she decided to go out that night with the children sleeping. Many things could have happened during the time she was gone.

Just speculating; so many possible scenarios (some involving family and some not)...

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 01:09 PM
From Great Britain, here's a tabloid-y look at the case from Daily Mail:

Police question teenage neighbour who was at baby Lisa's home on day she vanished after search of landfill site (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046322/Lisa-Irwin-missing-Teenage-neighbour-questioned-disappearance-baby.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

lengthy article, lotsa pics; not much new here for case veterans - good collection of facts and details for those not quite up to speed

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:09 PM
If the reporters are going to keep saying they have stopped cooperating with the police then the reporters need to ask LE exactly what not cooperating in this case means.

natsound
10-08-2011, 01:09 PM
I'd also like to know why there aren't any organized searches going on (that I know of).

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 01:09 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.

Somebody mentioned earlier that there was a lower level (basement) garage on the back of the house, as well as a detached garage or storage building.

tlcya
10-08-2011, 01:11 PM
re unnecessary information being put out there:

Many of us here just days ago were very caught up with debating on some of this very information that is now being deemed unnecessary.

ie. what Lisa was wearing when put down. Why cel phones were on the counter. The layout of the home. Who had access to the home. etc. etc. etc.

We never know what is helpful and what is not til we look at it all in hindsight.

My own thinking is, parents are giving more facts about things we out here have all been speculating about. This suggests to me that friends and family are monitoring public opinion and comments on the web.

Unfortunately, if true, I don't think it a very fruitful activity. I don't feel it gets them any closer to bringing their daughter home. :(

jjenny
10-08-2011, 01:11 PM
Baby Lisa eerily resembles my niece. She's 12 months old and lives within 15 minutes of the Irwin's. I'm afraid if someone sees her they will call in a tip. :phone: I would post a pic if I knew how. Ya'll would freak.

Have the birth certificate handy.

Volume
10-08-2011, 01:12 PM
Where is the information coming from that they struck a deal with a network? The couple didn't say that when walking into the hotel last night. I only heard a woman outside the house of a relative say it to a reporter, and I don't know who that woman was.

I think it was on the local Fox News the night before they appeared on national media with Matt Lauer. Also the other local news. They were tracking them all over town and one reporter went to Independence to speak to Great grandparents.

natsound
10-08-2011, 01:13 PM
If the parents have hidden Lisa somewhere, I think it will backfire on them and they won't make as $$$ as they think. Once it comes out that this is a hoax, the case is over. There has been no books or movies made about the runaway bride or balloon boy. The parents can only make money and get attention as long as Lisa is still missing.

I can't see someone hiding this baby for that long; maybe a few weeks at the most. The parents have a very small window to make as much $$$ off of this as they can. I don't think they would be offered a movie deal at this early in the case. It's the same with a book deal. When I think of cases where the parents wrote a book and/or there was a movie made, this happened years later.

I am beginning to wonder if the parents really did set this up. If so, that would be great news... because the baby is probably still alive and safe.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:13 PM
All of my blond nieces looked like this baby when they were close to a year old. I don't see anything that stands out about her appearance, no offense to anyone. I feel bad for parents of blond, blue-eyes babies who may end up having to prove their baby is their own. JMO

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:15 PM
re unnecessary information being put out there:

Many of us here just days ago were very caught up with debating on some of this very information that is now being deemed unnecessary.

ie. what Lisa was wearing when put down. Why cel phones were on the counter. The layout of the home. Who had access to the home. etc. etc. etc.

We never know what is helpful and what is not til we look at it all in hindsight.

My own thinking is, parents are giving more facts about things we out here have all been speculating about. This suggests to me that friends and family are monitoring public opinion and comments on the web.
Unfortunately, if true, I don't think it a very fruitful activity. I don't feel it gets them any closer to bringing their daughter home. :(

Very active on the internet, as far as I can tell...I don't really understand this need for family members to take to the gossip sites to defend family members during an active search for a child, but JMO.

jjenny
10-08-2011, 01:15 PM
All of my blond nieces looked like this baby when they were close to a year old. I don't see anything that stands out about her appearance, no offese to anyone. I feel bad for parents of blond, blue-eyes babies who may end up having to prove their baby is their own. JMO

Yes, the baby appears to be very regular looking. Blue eyed, blond, round face. No specific characteristics that stand out.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:15 PM
One thing to keep in mind. Local TV stations will tend to side with LE and demand less from them because of the threat of losing inside sources and tips.

Volume
10-08-2011, 01:16 PM
Local Fox coverage:
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-search-for-baby-lisa-complete-coverage-20111007,0,6136337.special

Local news coverage - with some interesting comments here:
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

curiositycat
10-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Does anyone know if the teenager whose DNA was reportedly taken by LE is a male or female?

saba
10-08-2011, 01:18 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

Kansas City police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

matou
10-08-2011, 01:19 PM
If the father came home at 4 am and a call to 911 went out at 4:04 am then whose phone was used for this call? If they were in a panic to find baby Lisa, they would be running around the house for the phones? Did they search the entire house first before calling 911 (basement/bathroom/yard etc.?) She could stand and likely could crawl. How close is the closest neighbour? Is their a company phone inside of the work van? 4 minutes is a lifetime when there is a panic. But if a neighbour helped with a phone, did they wake up right away to answer the door with a phone handy? So many questions.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 01:19 PM
Very active on the internet, as far as I can tell...I don't really understand this need for family members to take to the gossip sites to defend family members during an active search for a child, but JMO.

Could be the family overreacting to the media coverage of the Casey Anthony case. Also, if certain family members are not local or are otherwise unable to participate with a search or putting up fliers, etc, it may make them feel useful to use social media. MOO

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 01:21 PM
Does anyone know if the teenager whose DNA was reportedly taken by LE is a male or female?

Hey curiositycat I hadn't heard this yet. Do we have a link that this happened?
Thanks.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 01:21 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

Kansas City police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

Nice catch! That's really good news.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 01:22 PM
Local Fox coverage:
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-search-for-baby-lisa-complete-coverage-20111007,0,6136337.special

Local news coverage - with some interesting comments here:
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

There are 9 pages full of comments there. Could you narrow it down as to which you're referring to?

TIA

angeleleven
10-08-2011, 01:23 PM
Hey curiositycat I hadn't heard this yet. Do we have a link that this happened?
Thanks.

I just heard about it on Fox a few minutes ago.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 01:23 PM
If the father came home at 4 am and a call to 911 went out at 4:04 am then whose phone was used for this call? If they were in a panic to find baby Lisa, they would be running around the house for the phones? Did they search the entire house first before calling 911 (basement/bathroom/yard etc.?) She could stand and likely could crawl. How close is the closest neighbour? Is their a company phone inside of the work van? 4 minutes is a lifetime when there is a panic. But if a neighbour helped with a phone, did they wake up right away to answer the door with a phone handy? So many questions.

Perhaps his own cell phone that was on his person while he worked (and not with the 3 allegedly stolen phones), or a work cell phone?

tlcya
10-08-2011, 01:23 PM
Hey curiositycat I hadn't heard this yet. Do we have a link that this happened?
Thanks.

here ya go grandma :)

On Friday, a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents was questioned by investigators and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor was apparently at the home the day Lisa vanished and also knew the access code to the family's garage.

http://a.abcnews.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

ETA I hate when MSM uses the "source" - it makes it harder to establish if the source is credible. But that is probably just my own suspicious nature.

anothersheart71
10-08-2011, 01:23 PM
I was just thinking about the conflicting information regarding parent's cooperating with LE or not....with the FBI being here as well as local LE (KCPD) I wonder if the parents are talking with FBI and not KCPD and KCPD has their "feelings hurt" (not sure how to word that nicer...lol...as it seems that KCPD is still the lead LE on this case and FBI is only assisting...that could explain the differing statements regarding cooperation.

Also, during this down time waiting for news here is an article that some may find interesting regarding the KCPD and Precious Doe.
http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x434661146/Man-who-fought-for-justice-dies/print

Please don't get me wrong...I was so impressed early on with KCPD and the handling of this case...but as the days pass I start to really question some of the things they have and have not done. Again, my mind returns to Kelsey Smith's case and the handling of it. Completely different LE strategies between the two.

I guess my point is, as easy as it is to change our minds and doubt the parents, it is just as easy to have doubts or a lack of faith in LE. Just seems like it goes both ways....guess that is why I am still on the fence. :)

eileenhawkeye
10-08-2011, 01:23 PM
I am beginning to wonder if the parents really did set this up. If so, that would be great news... because the baby is probably still alive and safe.

It's possible. And although, I think they'll only make money off this situation until Lisa is found, they may have the assumption that the gravy train will be rolling for years after Lisa is found and the hoax is discovered. Didn't Balloon Boy's dad think they would get a reality show after the son was found? Well, that hasn't happened. Parents making a hoax out of their child's disappearance is very rare and sensational, but I don't think it's something the general public will want to hear about for months/years to come. There's no story there.

matou
10-08-2011, 01:24 PM
re unnecessary information being put out there:

Many of us here just days ago were very caught up with debating on some of this very information that is now being deemed unnecessary.

ie. what Lisa was wearing when put down. Why cel phones were on the counter. The layout of the home. Who had access to the home. etc. etc. etc.

We never know what is helpful and what is not til we look at it all in hindsight.

My own thinking is, parents are giving more facts about things we out here have all been speculating about. This suggests to me that friends and family are monitoring public opinion and comments on the web.

Unfortunately, if true, I don't think it a very fruitful activity. I don't feel it gets them any closer to bringing their daughter home. :(

I agree. Knowing more details about what she was last wearing IS important. I read that her top had kittens on it. Are they cartoon kittens? Hello Kitty? Realistic kitten representations? No one knows because photos of similar clothing has not been given to the media or to LE to release to the public. This is very strange to me.

Volume
10-08-2011, 01:24 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-retired-fbi-agent-hope-starting-to-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111007,0,7006989.story

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the link peeps. This was news to me this morning. :)

matou
10-08-2011, 01:25 PM
Yes, the baby appears to be very regular looking. Blue eyed, blond, round face. No specific characteristics that stand out.

Just jumping off this post. That's why what she was wearing matters eg. what type of diaper? what size diaper? etc.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 01:26 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

Kansas City police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

Oh thank God!!!! Prayer works! :)

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:26 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

kansas city police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie bradley and jeremy irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. Interview saturday with kctv5 about the disappearance of their daughter, lisa irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby lisa, a family spokesman told kctv5.

great!

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Yes, the baby appears to be very regular looking. Blue eyed, blond, round face. No specific characteristics that stand out.



The baby has a birthmark on her thigh. That's pretty specific, and unique even if it's not readily noticeable. That will be one good way to identify her right away if she's ever found with someone else.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Very active on the internet, as far as I can tell...I don't really understand this need for family members to take to the gossip sites to defend family members during an active search for a child, but JMO.

Good point.

Maybe the family should be doing something more productive. :innocent:

waltzingmatilda
10-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Hey curiositycat I hadn't heard this yet. Do we have a link that this happened?
Thanks.

I don't think this video mentions DNA but it shows LE at the neighbors house 2 doors down. It's at the 1:55 mark.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44827306#44827306

wm

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:28 PM
I was just thinking about the conflicting information regarding parent's cooperating with LE or not....with the FBI being here as well as local LE (KCPD) I wonder if the parents are talking with FBI and not KCPD and KCPD has their "feelings hurt" (not sure how to word that nicer...lol...as it seems that KCPD is still the lead LE on this case and FBI is only assisting...that could explain the differing statements regarding cooperation.

Also, during this down time waiting for news here is an article that some may find interesting regarding the KCPD and Precious Doe.
http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x434661146/Man-who-fought-for-justice-dies/print

Please don't get me wrong...I was so impressed early on with KCPD and the handling of this case...but as the days pass I start to really question some of the things they have and have not done. Again, my mind returns to Kelsey Smith's case and the handling of it. Completely different LE strategies between the two.

I guess my point is, as easy as it is to change our minds and doubt the parents, it is just as easy to have doubts or a lack of faith in LE. Just seems like it goes both ways....guess that is why I am still on the fence. :)

How can we know what they (LE) hasn't done? They have said many times that if we (public) have thought of it, they (LE) have tried it. I am not ready to underestimate LE, or to question them. As much as this is a "victim friendly" site, it has always been "LE friendly" as well, and my take on cases I have followed lead me to stick with LE. JMO

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:28 PM
The baby has a birthmark on her thigh. That's pretty specific, and unique even if it's not readily noticeable. That will be one good way to identify her right away if she's ever found with someone else.

Not if she's wearing long pants.

curiositycat
10-08-2011, 01:28 PM
Hey curiositycat I hadn't heard this yet. Do we have a link that this happened?
Thanks.

Here you go Grandmaj;
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

annalia
10-08-2011, 01:29 PM
Very active on the internet, as far as I can tell...I don't really understand this need for family members to take to the gossip sites to defend family members during an active search for a child, but JMO.

Sometimes I think families can't win either way. If they weren't active defending a family member then some would criticize them wondering why no one from the family is coming out in their defense.

JMHO

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 01:30 PM
Just jumping off this post. That's why what she was wearing matters eg. what type of diaper? what size diaper? etc.


The first thing a kidnapper would do is get rid of her clothes. That's what was so intriguing about the neighbor's claim of seeing a man with a baby clad only in a diaper.
The dumpster fire might involve those clothes as well.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:30 PM
The baby has a birthmark on her thigh. That's pretty specific, and unique even if it's not readily noticeable. That will be one good way to identify her right away if she's ever found with someone else.

But the public isn't likely to see a birthmark on her thigh, JMO. Sure, it can help rule out once LE is involved in checking out a tip, I suppose...I just have little faith in the public being able to ID this particular baby at a glance. JMO

Volume
10-08-2011, 01:31 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

Kansas City police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

Was their Atty present?

Apples2Apples
10-08-2011, 01:31 PM
Does anyone know if the family of Debbie lives on the same street as Lisa's house?

Shelby1
10-08-2011, 01:32 PM
It's a sticky right? Does it take up a lot of space when it's moved from thread to thread? tia

imo


I can't update it if it's made into a sticky....unless I'm a moderator lol.

matou
10-08-2011, 01:33 PM
The first thing a kidnapper would do is get rid of her clothes. That's what was so intriguing about the neighbor's claim of seeing a man with a baby clad only in a diaper.
The dumpster fire might involve those clothes as well.

Exactly. That's why knowing as many details about what she had on is extremely important. People need to look for discarded clothing, diaper, etc. If something was dropped quickly and not destroyed, LE needs this evidence ASAP. I really hope Baby Lisa is alive. From what I'm reading, it doesn't seem likely. I'm praying for a hoax.

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 01:34 PM
Not if she's wearing long pants.


Which is why I stated even if it's not readily noticeable.

But it is a good way to determine if someone else's baby is NOT the missing child right away, and it is unique to Lisa Irwin.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:34 PM
Maybe LE has the clothing and that is why this info is not being pushed in the media...JMO

matou
10-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Maybe LE has the clothing and that is why this info is not being pushed in the media...JMO

That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now. Kyron's info was released in the press early on.

Shelby1
10-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Updated and re-posting

Lisa Irwin Timeline

A few good news/video links:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn)

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg)

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-officers-search-for-abducted-baby-in-kansas-city-20111004,0,3181219.story


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG)


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents-stop-cooperating-police-14688735)

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P
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**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)
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Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)
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http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

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**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4)

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Originally Posted by BeanE file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg)


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG)

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Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3)


Friday October 7, 2011
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(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago

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**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image003.jpg



**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ˝ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy (http://twitter.com/#%21/CliffJudy)

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Saturday October 8, 2011

Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-07/news/30255015_1_fbi-agents-kansas-city-police-landfill/2

**Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
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Tweets (thank you BeanE)

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
32 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
57 minutes ago

Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy (http://twitter.com/#%21/CliffJudy)



**Parents agree to meet with police today

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.
The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.
This comes after police on Thursday had said Irwin and Bradley were no longer cooperating with detectives. The parents have denied this.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

anothersheart71
10-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Going back to just reading and not contributing.

Boodles
10-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Debbie's tears and demeanor do not seem genuine to me. It is painful for me to watch her on video. IMO, to say "the boys are waiting for their sister" to return is an odd statement. But Debbie sure is receiving a lot of attention.

Can anyone confirm HOW LE was notified? Who, how and from where was 911 or other LE notified when Lisa was 'found missing' when the father got home from work? I can't seem to find that info.

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Rule on Social Networking peeps.

No private FB. Thanks

Social Networks

Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor. Copying and pasting, or taking screen caps, directly from these pages is not allowed. Paraphrasing is okay. (Exception: If the Twitter or Facebook post belongs to a verified news station, it may be copied. But a link should still be provided.)

Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!

vlpate
10-08-2011, 01:37 PM
They also have an attached garage that is under the house on the south side.

The listing says detached, and there is no sign of a garage attached to this house. Have you seen another picture or have you been there? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to figure out if the code statement made sense.

3620 N Lister Ave, Kansas City, Clay, Missouri 64117 - Google Maps

seekjustice
10-08-2011, 01:38 PM
I haven't had time to get on here but I live in the KC metro area and I am hearing burned baby clothes were found in nearby landfill and police are searching back yard again as well as a nearby cliff area. Sorry no link as I'm posting from my phone. This may be old news fwiw

BeanE
10-08-2011, 01:39 PM
Statistics suggest baby unlikely taken by stranger


http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/10236644/

Apples2Apples
10-08-2011, 01:39 PM
I have a feeling that this teenage "neighbor" will be key to this story.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 01:39 PM
Going back to just reading and not contributing.
Your last post before this one was top-notch! Stick around and let us hear more from you.

Especially good: the comparison with the case of Precious Doe.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:40 PM
I don't think this video mentions DNA but it shows LE at the neighbors house 2 doors down. It's at the 1:55 mark.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44827306#44827306

wm

That is a very telling scene. At least one male detective and woman detective talking to a guy with paperwork in hand out on the street instead of in the house.

To me that might mean it is the home of the teenager and they just want to talk to the dad. An hour is a long time.

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Guys read the first post please. No sleuthing other than Mom and DAD and bringing innocent people into the mix. . Stop sleuthing or naming minors.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Does anyone know if the family of Debbie lives on the same street as Lisa's house?

As posted earlier, JI bought the house in 2002, DB moved in just a couple of years ago. It's possible, but not as likely that her family lived close by, as it would if his family were nearby.

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 01:41 PM
But the public isn't likely to see a birthmark on her thigh, JMO. Sure, it can help rule out once LE is involved in checking out a tip, I suppose...I just have little faith in the public being able to ID this particular baby at a glance. JMO


If the public sees any baby around her age and her size, with her coloring, I think they will report it as long as they know a baby is missing.

There were many Kyron sightings. Apparently the number of boys who resemble him are not that rare.

matou
10-08-2011, 01:41 PM
Just want to say I love all you guys xoxox

Happy Thanksgiving weekend from a Canadian friend.

Marah
10-08-2011, 01:42 PM
Have they searched the river?

iamnotagolem
10-08-2011, 01:42 PM
The listing says detached, and there is no sign of a garage attached to this house. Have you seen another picture or have you been there? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to figure out if the code statement made sense.

3620 N Lister Ave, Kansas City, Clay, Missouri 64117 - Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+Clay,+Misso uri+64117&hl=en&ll=39.15992,-94.525584&spn=0.000017,0.005075&sll=39.160028,-94.525925&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&layer=c&cbp=13,292.22,,0,0&cbll=39.15992,-94.525584&hnear=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+Clay,+Missou ri+64117&t=m&z=17&vpsrc=0&iwloc=A&panoid=hMeqvvzrWN7wNhEw5ELuCQ)

If you look on the county assessor site there are a couple of pictures from the back of the house, they've been posted on several of these threads.

Kimster
10-08-2011, 01:43 PM
Guys read the first post please. No sleuthing other than Mom and DAD and bringing innocent people into the mix. . Stop sleuthing or naming minors.

Sleuthing minors will cause you to lose your posting privileges for a period of time so don't go there again. :nono:

This post lands at random.:seeya:

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 01:44 PM
I haven't had time to get on here but I live in the KC metro area and I am hearing burned baby clothes were found in nearby landfill and police are searching back yard again as well as a nearby cliff area. Sorry no link as I'm posting from my phone. This may be old news fwiw


Wow. I had just posted about the dumpster fire possibly being due to someone burning baby clothes.

I think LE is getting close to finding the answers now. I sure do hope Baby Lisa is OK.

tlcya
10-08-2011, 01:44 PM
Karen Yancey with KMBC regarding the appearance of the crib (stuff stacked in it) in baby Lisa's room on video

Keep in mind that investigators have been in and out of the home. It is possible that they moved some items as they searched for evidence.
by Karen Yancey 11:47 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDICDm1x

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:45 PM
I have a feeling that this teenage "neighbor" will be key to this story.

Me too. Who is more brazen or nutty then a teen?

iamnotagolem
10-08-2011, 01:45 PM
So my question regarding the clothes. If the parents were involved and needed to get rid of the clothes, why would you actually describe clothes she had? Why not just describe PJs you'd seen at target or walmart and did NOT buy. Then there is nothing to find. I just don't understand the detail of the PJs description if they had to then destroy them. MOO

tlcya
10-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Just want to say I love all you guys xoxox

Happy Thanksgiving weekend from a Canadian friend.

aw, thanks matou, we love you too. Hope yo and yours have a Blessed holiday.

liltexans
10-08-2011, 01:47 PM
In case anyone missed this at the end of the last mega-thread, here's the link to last evening's Nightline:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline

Rallihanna
10-08-2011, 01:48 PM
The crib still throws me off because of how high they had the mattress. It's almost always needed to be lowered by Lisa's current age.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:48 PM
I am doubting the teen will be a factor; my guess is he/she gave DNA to rule the presence of their DNA in the house or baby's room, if this teen was a babysitter or a regular in the household. JMO

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Just want to say I love all you guys xoxox

Happy Thanksgiving weekend from a Canadian friend.

Thanks matou! xoxox back to you!

Jayarre
10-08-2011, 01:49 PM
So my question regarding the clothes. If the parents were involved and needed to get rid of the clothes, why would you actually describe clothes she had? Why not just describe PJs you'd seen at target or walmart and did NOT buy. Then there is nothing to find. I just don't understand the detail of the PJs description if they had to then destroy them. MOO
The more real facts you can incorporate the less likely for a slip up on questioning.

HatesSociopaths
10-08-2011, 01:49 PM
I was just trying to explain the last name "Bradley" - I wasn't sleuthing a minor, if that was regarding me. Thanks.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 01:51 PM
Me too. Who is more brazen or nutty then a teen?

Not sure about the neighborhood kid, but the question "Who is more brazen or nutty than a teen?" is wonderfully phrased!

SurfieTX
10-08-2011, 01:51 PM
Just curious, but why would a parent have a well child sleep with her and put the sick child to sleep in a different room? It's MOO that the child sleeping with Debbie was her son and that dad's son was in the room (whose was older, mom or dad's?). The baby was in her crib, obviously.

So, that begs the question as to why have the son sleep with her? Was there a fight between the boys about the kitten? Did they put kitten clothing on baby Lisa because of the kitten (as in soothing a sick baby Lisa and trying to get her to smile)?

I didn't really buy into the sibling accidental whatever theory, but it does kind of fit. :(

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 01:53 PM
It just strikes me that both Aliayah and Lisa were sick and their mother was sleeping with other children while the sick child slept in a room alone. Just an observation, nothing more.

annalia
10-08-2011, 01:53 PM
So my question regarding the clothes. If the parents were involved and needed to get rid of the clothes, why would you actually describe clothes she had? Why not just describe PJs you'd seen at target or walmart and did NOT buy. Then there is nothing to find. I just don't understand the detail of the PJs description if they had to then destroy them. MOO

If the parents were involved their thinking could also be that describing what she was wearing would show that a stranger took her if her clothes were found.

I'm not convinced one way or the other about the parents involvement.

JMHO

matou
10-08-2011, 01:54 PM
The more real facts you can incorporate the less likely for a slip up on questioning.

Right. I want to believe the parents. If they described what she was wearing than I want a visual representation of what her clothes actually look like so that I can post info about it on here or facebook, etc. They want Lisa to be alive and safe. I want all of the details of everything to do with Lisa.

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 01:54 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents

Kansas City police are again questioning the parents of a missing 10-month-old infant.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

Since this came from a family spokesman I take it with a grain of salt. We have heard from the same family spokesman that the parents have met several times with LE since Thursday and LE denies it. Personally I think they are trying to do damage control. I would be very surprised if they have spoken with the police since Thursday. I would want to hear it from the police and not the family.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:55 PM
I was just thinking about the conflicting information regarding parent's cooperating with LE or not....with the FBI being here as well as local LE (KCPD) I wonder if the parents are talking with FBI and not KCPD and KCPD has their "feelings hurt" (not sure how to word that nicer...lol...as it seems that KCPD is still the lead LE on this case and FBI is only assisting...that could explain the differing statements regarding cooperation.

Also, during this down time waiting for news here is an article that some may find interesting regarding the KCPD and Precious Doe.
http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x434661146/Man-who-fought-for-justice-dies/print

Please don't get me wrong...I was so impressed early on with KCPD and the handling of this case...but as the days pass I start to really question some of the things they have and have not done. Again, my mind returns to Kelsey Smith's case and the handling of it. Completely different LE strategies between the two.

I guess my point is, as easy as it is to change our minds and doubt the parents, it is just as easy to have doubts or a lack of faith in LE. Just seems like it goes both ways....guess that is why I am still on the fence. :)

I say that's a real good thought......Maybe the parents are talking to the FBI and not the KCPD.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Detectives loaded with paperwork questioning a neighbor out in public and staying there an hour means something.

That is a lot of manpower in a missing baby case.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Nice catch! That's really good news.

Interesting news. Any locals heard anything yet.

vlpate
10-08-2011, 01:58 PM
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Is this what they said before? I thought he checked on he and saw she was gone before he went to wake Deborah.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Just curious, but why would a parent have a well child sleep with her and put the sick child to sleep in a different room? It's MOO that the child sleeping with Debbie was her son and that dad's son was in the room (whose was older, mom or dad's?). The baby was in her crib, obviously.

So, that begs the question as to why have the son sleep with her? Was there a fight between the boys about the kitten? Did they put kitten clothing on baby Lisa because of the kitten (as in soothing a sick baby Lisa and trying to get her to smile)?

I didn't really buy into the sibling accidental whatever theory, but it does kind of fit. :(

BBM. Depends on how long the baby had been sick. Perhaps Monday night was the first night that Mom was able to get the baby down for a restful sleep. Also, some moms are not comfortable having a baby in bed with them, particularly if mom is a sound sleeper...they don't want to risk rolling over on them and injuring or smothering them. With an older child it's not as much a problem.

SuziQ
10-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Why are they putting things out to the media that are not going to help in the least to find their baby??

She had the baby monitor on....ok

They are cooperating with the police....ok

Where's their pins, T-shirts, command post? Why isn't she holding up a poster of her child EVERY time they are on TV. Why not give the number for the tip line instead of just saying, "call the tip line". I'm believing in their innocence less and less every minute.

There's no sign that these two are really looking for their missing child, none.

FWIW, Until last Thursday night they were with LE almost 24/7. Posters have been put out. These cases need people to rally around the parents to make the pins, tshirts and set up the command posts. I think LE's presser killed any hopes that many people will be rallying around these parents. LE has made it clear that they are looking for a dead child and as far as they are concerned, mom killed her.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 02:01 PM
CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's parents not doing the 1-on-1's. Trying to set up trust fund for reward $. Family doesn't plan to talk Sat, but could change.
20 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy/status/122728137921531904

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Family members of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, missing since Tuesday, announced Saturday that they would scale back their media interviews for the time being and focus on generating tips for police.

Mike LeRette — a cousin of the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, and a spokesman for the family — said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund that would accept donations for a reward fund.

That process is moving slowly, LeRette said, but he hopes to have an announcement soon. Family members sense that the volume of tips to authorities has fallen off in the last couple of days and they hope a generous reward fund will encourage more tips.


Snipped: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html

liltexans
10-08-2011, 02:04 PM
Just curious, but why would a parent have a well child sleep with her and put the sick child to sleep in a different room? It's MOO that the child sleeping with Debbie was her son and that dad's son was in the room (whose was older, mom or dad's?). The baby was in her crib, obviously.

So, that begs the question as to why have the son sleep with her? Was there a fight between the boys about the kitten? Did they put kitten clothing on baby Lisa because of the kitten (as in soothing a sick baby Lisa and trying to get her to smile)?

I didn't really buy into the sibling accidental whatever theory, but it does kind of fit. :(

Jeremy's son is 8 (apparently he just turned 8 last week or weekend). Deborah's son is 6.

dovebar
10-08-2011, 02:04 PM
Police are not obligated to explain when they have cleared a lead, but if you follow cases in other states, they usually do - so that they have public attention on the things they need help with. They usually say, "We determined that the child seen one street over lives in that house."

Why would another parent be outside at 2:30 a.m., conveniently at the time of the trash fire on the same street, with the child dressed only in a diaper, in October?

If the child lives where it was seen by 2 - not one, but 2 other people - it should be easy enough to check.

It may not be obvious to those who live in the area, but those who live outside the state are familiar with police making statements about leads, and those that have been "cleared" and those that are active. The fact that they haven't is quite curious.

gliving
10-08-2011, 02:04 PM
I was just thinking about the conflicting information regarding parent's cooperating with LE or not....with the FBI being here as well as local LE (KCPD) I wonder if the parents are talking with FBI and not KCPD and KCPD has their "feelings hurt" (not sure how to word that nicer...lol...as it seems that KCPD is still the lead LE on this case and FBI is only assisting...that could explain the differing statements regarding cooperation.

Also, during this down time waiting for news here is an article that some may find interesting regarding the KCPD and Precious Doe.
http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x434661146/Man-who-fought-for-justice-dies/print

Please don't get me wrong...I was so impressed early on with KCPD and the handling of this case...but as the days pass I start to really question some of the things they have and have not done. Again, my mind returns to Kelsey Smith's case and the handling of it. Completely different LE strategies between the two.

I guess my point is, as easy as it is to change our minds and doubt the parents, it is just as easy to have doubts or a lack of faith in LE. Just seems like it goes both ways....guess that is why I am still on the fence. :)

Good observation! One thing to remember is that Kelsey's father was a retired law enforcement officer. I'm sure he knew how to get the ball rolling, whereas Lisa's parents seem naive when it comes to handling the media.

Hoping for good news today.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Is this what they said before? I thought he checked on he and saw she was gone before he went to wake Deborah.

The Question

In this exclusive preview clip, Judge Jeanine asks Jeremy and Deborah Irwin, “What’s the next thing you remember?” after realizing that their child had gone missing from her crib.

(The Answer makes no sense.)


Deborah responds saying,

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

waltzingmatilda
10-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Detectives loaded with paperwork questioning a neighbor out in public and staying there an hour means something.

That is a lot of manpower in a missing baby case.

I wonder why they didn't take it inside where it would be more private than standing outside. Maybe they did go inside. IDK:crazy:

wm

yllek
10-08-2011, 02:06 PM
But the public isn't likely to see a birthmark on her thigh, JMO. Sure, it can help rule out once LE is involved in checking out a tip, I suppose...I just have little faith in the public being able to ID this particular baby at a glance. JMO

This is why I wish the parents would focus on distinguishing things about Lisa, rather than defending themselves, in the media. Still a long-shot that Lisa would be found via sighting, but it could happen with the right information out there. (BTW: thrilled that the parents are reportedly communicating with LE again.)

If she's not involved, it would be helpful to the public to hear Debbie make a statement something like:

Lisa was abducted from our house sometimes after 10:30 pm and before 4 a.m. I did not have any in-person communication or phone/text/computer communication during that period because I was asleep the whole time. I'm told I failed a lie detector test. I don't know if I failed or not. I know I told the truth. I will do anything to get Lisa back and continue to cooperate with LE. Please look for my baby Lisa and call the tip line at xxx-xxxx if you have any information. She is (physical description again) and she stands alone, crawls and can only walk with assistance (for example). Her favorite show to watch on tv is xxxxx. She usually laughs at xxxxx. She tries to say xxxx words and it sounds like xxxx. Her favorite juice is xxxx and she loves to eat xxxx. She is afraid of dogs, but loves cats (for example). If you have any information, please call the tip line (number again, show photos). We miss and love Lisa and we need her home.

Just an example, but this type of information might be useful in helping to find Lisa and minimizing false sighting leads. At the very least, if the abductor heard it, it could help him/her to make Lisa more comfortable if the motive for aduction was not to harm the baby. JMO.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:07 PM
Snipped: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html
Also from KaylynnCouture's link:

The family is not unhappy with the police investigation and continues to pass along its leads and ideas, [Mike] LeRette said, adding that [Jeremy] Irwin spoke with police and the FBI a couple of times Friday.

“We don’t get any feedback, but we’re not dissatisfied,” LeRette said. “We’re in the dark like everyone else.”

Besides the trust fund, the family hopes to focus this weekend on getting flyers and photographs of Lisa into the hands of anyone who may have seen either her or her abductor.

He said up to 8,000 flyers a day have been printed since Tuesday. Some have gone to truck stops so drivers can pick them up for distribution far and wide.

SuziQ
10-08-2011, 02:07 PM
here ya go grandma :)

On Friday, a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents was questioned by investigators and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor was apparently at the home the day Lisa vanished and also knew the access code to the family's garage.

http://a.abcnews.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

ETA I hate when MSM uses the "source" - it makes it harder to establish if the source is credible. But that is probably just my own suspicious nature.

That reminds me. Who all was at that bday party? They would certainly know the inside layout and other info.

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:08 PM
CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's parents not doing the 1-on-1's. Trying to set up trust fund for reward $. Family doesn't plan to talk Sat, but could change.
20 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy/status/122728137921531904

Money again. I wonder how much of that "trust fund" is for a reward and how much is for the family's living expenses while they "look" for their child?

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:09 PM
Also, during this down time waiting for news here is an article that some may find interesting regarding the KCPD and Precious Doe.
http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x434661146/Man-who-fought-for-justice-dies/print

I guess my point is, as easy as it is to change our minds and doubt the parents, it is just as easy to have doubts or a lack of faith in LE. Just seems like it goes both ways....guess that is why I am still on the fence. :)

What a great article about Precious Doe and what a courageous man. Rest his soul, a veteran and having to live with the heartache of what his grandson did and not being listened to. Persistence paid off and his heart and soul are at rest knowing that "he did his job". Thank you for posting this.

mamacita
10-08-2011, 02:09 PM
So my question regarding the clothes. If the parents were involved and needed to get rid of the clothes, why would you actually describe clothes she had? Why not just describe PJs you'd seen at target or walmart and did NOT buy. Then there is nothing to find. I just don't understand the detail of the PJs description if they had to then destroy them. MOO

they very well could have, IMO

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:10 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

laurafairlie
10-08-2011, 02:10 PM
Just curious, but why would a parent have a well child sleep with her and put the sick child to sleep in a different room? It's MOO that the child sleeping with Debbie was her son and that dad's son was in the room (whose was older, mom or dad's?). The baby was in her crib, obviously.

So, that begs the question as to why have the son sleep with her? Was there a fight between the boys about the kitten? Did they put kitten clothing on baby Lisa because of the kitten (as in soothing a sick baby Lisa and trying to get her to smile)?

I didn't really buy into the sibling accidental whatever theory, but it does kind of fit. :(

I'm not even sure what to think about this case anymore, so I'm not saying that this is what happened in this situation, but hypothetically, the other kid could have been sick as well (I know when my son is sick, I almost always get it and if he's around other kids that are sick, he gets sick too). Also, my son will NOT sleep if he's in the bed with someone else. If I try to put him in the bed with us, he will roll around for hours, play with my hair, talk to himself, to me, etc. etc. etc, but he will not sleep, no matter how exhausted he is. The only time he EVER sleeps with us is if he has woken up in the middle of the night and is half asleep to start with, so he sleeps in his own room when he is sick, because that's the only way he actually sleeps and he needs the rest, especially when he isn't well.

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:10 PM
That reminds me. Who all was at that bday party? They would certainly know the inside layout and other info.

Wish I knew who all was at that birthday party on Sunday!! Cannot find a list of folks that were there at all. Why isn't MSM asking the important questions ........grrr..

IrishMist
10-08-2011, 02:11 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

Baby monitor?

May be easier to help the baby sleep while her siblings are still up if you close the door to her room.

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:11 PM
Does anyone know if the family of Debbie lives on the same street as Lisa's house?

No, I don't but I think this is a really important question to be asking - just didn't want this one to slide by.

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Also from KaylynnCouture's link:


adding that [Jeremy] Irwin spoke with police and the FBI a couple of times Friday.

If he is speaking with LE why doesn't LE seem to know about it?

IrishMist
10-08-2011, 02:13 PM
If he is speaking with LE why doesn't LE seem to know about it?

Conversely, why isn't LE admitting it?

liltexans
10-08-2011, 02:14 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

I respectfully disagree. I closed my babies' bedroom doors when they were little. We had working baby monitors so we could hear them crying or talking. Also, I didn't want my cat jumping in their cribs at night. Lastly, I have heard over the years that for fire safety reasons, it's better to keep bedroom doors closed at night.

shorty42404
10-08-2011, 02:14 PM
Baby monitor?

May be easier to help the baby sleep while her siblings are still up if you close the door to her room.


Also, and I personally don't do this nor agree with it, but, I know mommies who do the "cry it out" method and keep lights off, door closed.

Just K
10-08-2011, 02:14 PM
I agree. Knowing more details about what she was last wearing IS important. I read that her top had kittens on it. Are they cartoon kittens? Hello Kitty? Realistic kitten representations? No one knows because photos of similar clothing has not been given to the media or to LE to release to the public. This is very strange to me.
Last night someone mentioned all the references to kittens. It occurred to me that the mother reported that her younger son was in her bed with a stray kitten that they had taken in.

It is VERY COMMON to find stray kittens near dumpsters. It would be very interesting to know the details around when & where this kitten was found and rescued.

Cazzie
10-08-2011, 02:14 PM
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Is this what they said before? I thought he checked on he and saw she was gone before he went to wake Deborah.
BBM. This is the first I've heard of this (the bolded part).

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:15 PM
That reminds me. Who all was at that bday party? They would certainly know the inside layout and other info.

Was the party even held at their house? For some reason I thought it was at the grandparents house.

SarahW
10-08-2011, 02:15 PM
The crib still throws me off because of how high they had the mattress. It's almost always needed to be lowered by Lisa's current age.

Do you think baby lisa might climb out and interrupt a brazen B&E Grinch stealing Christmas (or DVRs) like Cindy Lou Who? But instead of getting a cup of water and retucked in bed, she gets scooped up or worse, follows the intruder? I don't know how mobile the baby was. Mine could walk at 10 mos, and she is tall.

Just wondering what the mattress height means to you.

laurafairlie
10-08-2011, 02:16 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

My son sleeps with the door closed every night and has since we put him in a room of his own. He won't sleep with the door open. He's a very finicky sleeper. Up until a few months ago, we used a monitor, but I keep my door open, and his room is right next to ours, so I can hear him, no problem.

Apples2Apples
10-08-2011, 02:16 PM
No, I don't but I think this is a really important question to be asking - just didn't want this one to slide by.

A thought occurred to me. I know that when I lived on the same street as my sister, we would often come and go from each others house. No knocking, just walk right in. When we had friends with us, we'd do the same. It was kind of like my house is your house and vice versa. I'm just wondering if possibly someone learned the layout of the home in a similar fashion. Not sure if that even makes sense though. It does in my head ;)

Just K
10-08-2011, 02:17 PM
Has it been determined if the two older siblings went to a grandparents to stay, after the "abduction" or a neighbors? Are any relatives actual neighbors?

Poker Lady
10-08-2011, 02:17 PM
New here, just throwing this out there for comment by those more experienced than me with this, but I'm curious if anyone knows if the parents have been having any relationship problems or arguments lately.

Maybe, since they apparently aren't married and Debbie moved to his house a couple years ago, there has been a strain on the relationship and Lisa's abduction could be a ploy to pull the father closer to Debbie? Just wondering if that makes sense.

I mentioned this scenario because the picture of them in the Daily Mail article shows Debbie laying her head on Jeremy's chest and he is standing there with his hands in his pockets NOT comforting her? Does this make sense to you?

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:18 PM
We are going down the rabbit hole with the BD party folks. MSM is not following this alleged BD party. The FB is not of one of the players and thus not allowed under our Social Media policy..... Anyone can write anything on FB. FB is considered rumor here. So lets be careful about what is on that FB.

Apples2Apples
10-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Do you think baby lisa might climb out and interrupt a brazen B&E Grinch stealing Christmas (or DVRs) like Cindy Lou Who? But instead of getting a cup of water and retucked in bed, she gets scooped up or worse, follows the intruder? I don't know how mobile the baby was. Mine could walk at 10 mos, and she is tall.

Just wondering what the mattress height means to you.

I tossed that scenario around in my head too.

annalyzer
10-08-2011, 02:19 PM
just read a news headline that a teen was being questioned and dna samples were taken and that this teen was at the house that day and knew the access code to the garage.. but no one is discussing it here?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-look-california-123229533.html

Cappuccino
10-08-2011, 02:19 PM
They used a baby monitor, so it makes perfect sense that the door was usually closed. Some babies won't sleep with the door open, Lisa may have been one of those.

mamacita
10-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

we pull our daughters door almost all the way closed at night after putting her down. she wakes up to every little sound, so it helps her sleep longer/better with the door pulled mostly closed.

personally, i dont like sleeping with doors closed (i feel like im suffocating, lol) but i do close my bedroom door partway (to block out noise as well).

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Your interest in your last few posts seems to be in condemning every action taken by the family. Why is that?

Not condemning the family. I really don't have a strong opinion yet on their involvement. I am just curious about all the interest in money and selling their story before the baby has even been found. And the inconsistencies in their stories vs the police. Right now I am about 60%/40% in favor of the parents knowing anything and that is for the reasons I have said. If it weren't for those things I wouldn't be suspicious of them at all.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Money again. I wonder how much of that "trust fund" is for a reward and how much is for the family's living expenses while they "look" for their child?

Eventually someone has to foot the bill. T-shirts, fliers, pins don't pay for themselves, there has to be some front money coming in from somewhere. Actually, a trust fund protects the incoming $$$$ from being mishandled by the parents or anyone else related to the case. I'd be more likely to donate to a trust fund in such a case, particularly if one or both of the parents are suspects, rather than donating directly to them.

raeann
10-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

Multiple reasons I could consider....keep television or video game noise from waking her, or the kitten from running into the room, or the boys out of the room, or noise of the boys playing from waking her??? I have been around many, many babies in my time, and I have yet to see a 10 month old that could not cry loudly enough to make themselves heard through a door if they were in need of attention. Also, the mom said there was a baby monitor....most of the receivers are quite portable and many even have clips to allow them to be carried on a belt or waistband easily.

jmo

SarahW
10-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Thinking about it, assuming mattress height is as it was when Lisa was put to bed, maybe it's because it's easier to get her out with the mattress at that height. Dad is tall and he and/or mother might be trying to avoid back strain -

Irish_Eyes
10-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

We Always close our daughters bedroom door. We live in a small house so if we are downstairs we hear her no matter what. If we are upstairs we have the baby monitor on. When she was very little it was to keep our cat from going into her crib. Now it's more to keep the noise out as my 13 year old is not always the quietest person And I don't want him to wake her.

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:22 PM
That reminds me. Who all was at that bday party? They would certainly know the inside layout and other info.

I do not have the link at hand, but will look, the news media all over this case has lead to soooo many news stories it is hard to remember which one contained the statement by Lisa's grandfather. IIRC, he stated the birthday party was at another family member's home. I will do some digging.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Not condemning the family. I really don't have a strong opinion yet on their involvement. I am just curious about all the interest in money and selling their story before the baby has even been found. And the inconsistencies in their stories vs the police. Right now I am about 60%/40% in favor of the parents knowing anything and that is for the reasons I have said. If it weren't for those things I wouldn't be suspicious of them at all.
Well....there's a certain vitriol in your statements! One would not think, to read them, that the above is the case. But I'll take your word. Interestingly, even though I try and defend the family whenever possible, I too, like you, am about 60/40 regarding family involvement.

vlpate
10-08-2011, 02:22 PM
If you look on the county assessor site there are a couple of pictures from the back of the house, they've been posted on several of these threads.

I'm not able to get onto the site, they are down to do 2011 taxes.
http://collector.claycountymo.gov/taxbills.html

Would you please provide a link to the posts, I've read almost non-stop for two days and I don't recall the pictures and my search here is not bringing them up. Sorry to be a pain.

In da Middle
10-08-2011, 02:23 PM
Bringing over from other thread

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That is true. But I also read that it is a very 'small' street and neighborhood, and any strangers watching the home would have been noticed.

But I suppose that a weird neighbor or a friend of a neighbor woud be able to sit back safely and watch the comings and goings at the home.

I have wondering about this same thing today.

From what I saw in one of the earlier video it showed dad getting into a late model, large extended cab truck. If this was his it would be rather noticable. Wonder where he normally parked it? Front yard or back yard or garage?

Could someone had noticed that the truck wasn't there in the middle of the night realizing that this would be the perfect time to strike?

Or maybe thinking no one was home and intended only to rob them? (of course why take the baby if that?)
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I can answer this! If the video you are referring to is the one where he is entering the BACK seat of the truck, it is LE's truck. Not sure if KCPD or FBI. This is the truck that they were in when they were going from house to house doing their knock-and-talk. Nice truck with nice dudes!

SarahW
10-08-2011, 02:23 PM
we pull our daughters door almost all the way closed at night after putting her down. she wakes up to every little sound, so it helps her sleep longer/better with the door pulled mostly closed.

personally, i dont like sleeping with doors closed (i feel like im suffocating, lol) but i do close my bedroom door partway (to block out noise as well).

Not closing a baby's door is a violation of every 4th grade fire safety lesson I ever got, not to mention my teen babysitting classes. Closing the door can be the difference between life and death in a fire.

IOW I always closed my baby's door. :) FWIW

saba
10-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Do you think baby lisa might climb out and interrupt a brazen B&E Grinch stealing Christmas (or DVRs) like Cindy Lou Who? But instead of getting a cup of water and retucked in bed, she gets scooped up or worse, follows the intruder? I don't know how mobile the baby was. Mine could walk at 10 mos, and she is tall.

Just wondering what the mattress height means to you.

If a crib mattress is too high for the length and agility level of the baby the danger is that the baby will go up, over and down. Death, brain damage etc. One reason some moms leave a mattress up is that it is really tough on the back to dig deep into the crib for a large infant. The stories about this type of injury are just awful, and for the most part, the parents are stunned when it happens.

raeann
10-08-2011, 02:24 PM
just read a news headline that a teen was being questioned and dna samples were taken and that this teen was at the house that day and knew the access code to the garage.. but no one is discussing it here?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-look-california-123229533.html


LOL....been there and done that.....probably mostly in the thread that closed earlier this morning.....

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

vlpate
10-08-2011, 02:25 PM
I do not have the link at hand, but will look, the news media all over this case has lead to soooo many news stories it is hard to remember which one contained the statement by Lisa's grandfather. IIRC, he stated the birthday party was at another family member's home. I will do some digging.

It was stated by someone who says they are Lisa's grandfather and it is on Facebook - Lisa Irwin Updates

SarahW
10-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Also I had cats that liked napping amongst the babybumpers, and babygates are not good cat-blockers.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

Good catch tlcox.

waltzingmatilda
10-08-2011, 02:27 PM
just read a news headline that a teen was being questioned and dna samples were taken and that this teen was at the house that day and knew the access code to the garage.. but no one is discussing it here?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-look-california-123229533.html

Where have you been, annalyzer? :seeya: We have discussed this on previous pages here and on the previous thread.

There should be links in shelby1's timelines or on a sticky. HTH.

wm

In da Middle
10-08-2011, 02:27 PM
They have a detached garage?? So what difference does it make whether anyone had a code to it??

I looked the address up on Zillow - detached garage.
This house has both. It also has a two-car garage on basement level around back. The basement is approx 1/2 garage and 1/2 basement. The detached garage is an add-on to the property and former owner had a machine shop type setting in it.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:27 PM
just read a news headline that a teen was being questioned and dna samples were taken and that this teen was at the house that day and knew the access code to the garage.. but no one is discussing it here?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-look-california-123229533.html

It was discussed several times earlier this morning (in the previous thread).

Thank you for bringing it over to this thread though! I think the teen/DNA/lead in California information is pretty big (IMO).

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:27 PM
just read a news headline that a teen was being questioned and dna samples were taken and that this teen was at the house that day and knew the access code to the garage.. but no one is discussing it here?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-look-california-123229533.html

We have been things are just moving fast here and lots of things to talk about.As it stands the teen is my best suspect so far.

Wishbone
10-08-2011, 02:28 PM
If the parents were involved their thinking could also be that describing what she was wearing would show that a stranger took her if her clothes were found.

I'm not convinced one way or the other about the parents involvement.

JMHO


I'm not feeling any empathy or sympathy for the mother? wondering if I've become jaded from other cases or?

SarahW
10-08-2011, 02:28 PM
If a crib mattress is too high for the length and agility level of the baby the danger is that the baby will go up, over and down. Death, brain damage etc. One reason some moms leave a mattress up is that it is really tough on the back to dig deep into the crib for a large infant. The stories about this type of injury are just awful, and for the most part, the parents are stunned when it happens.


Which is why regulations against cribs with lowering sides still strikes me as counter-productive. One hazard, exchanged for another.

I used to fling myself out of the crib as a toddler. Which might explain a few things.

Blue Ridge
10-08-2011, 02:29 PM
Why would another parent be outside at 2:30 a.m., conveniently at the time of the trash fire on the same street, with the child dressed only in a diaper, in October?


I was asking in an earlier post if anyone knew what time this alleged sighting of a person toting a baby on the road was. If it was around 2:30. Was it indeed approx 2:30?? Because if so, that is just WAY too coincidental - the dumpster fire so close by, a possible call/text from an involved cell, AND a sighting of someone carrying a baby down the road in the neighborhood - ALL RIGHT AROUND 2:30 AM - and on the very night Lisa goes missing?!?!

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:29 PM
It was stated by someone who says they are Lisa's grandfather and it is on Facebook - Lisa Irwin Updates

Thanks but I stay away from the FB pages on these missing persons cases so if I read it, I read it in a MSM article.

SuziQ
10-08-2011, 02:29 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

I always left the bedroom doors for the same reason. Years ago a firefighter friend told me how unsafe that is if a fire erupted. Now have all our doors shut. Also, remember they had a baby monitor.

I see alot of perfectly normal info being disected and put out there as suspicious when it's not suspicious at all.

raeann
10-08-2011, 02:29 PM
Also I had cats that liked napping amongst the babybumpers, and babygates are not good cat-blockers.

LOL....nope....in cat lingo they are called "climbing toys" or "fake trees"

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.



I closed my baby's door once they were Lisa's age, after I had my 2nd and 3rd child because of the noise from my older children. I had a monitor, and I used that to listen to the baby. I would take the monitor with me from room to room if I needed to do something....like laundry, dishes, etc. A baby that age can cry pretty loudly anyway.

In a small house like that one, it was probably necessary due to the older boys and the racket they can make.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Is this what they said before? I thought he checked on he and saw she was gone before he went to wake Deborah.

The story has changed a smidgen.

imo

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
We are going down the rabbit hole with the BD party folks. MSM is not following this alleged BD party. The FB is not of one of the players and thus not allowed under our Social Media policy..... Anyone can write anything on FB. FB is considered rumor here. So lets be careful about what is on that FB.

Was in MSM on Thursday ... will find the link and search till my eyes go numb as it may provide a timeline for when any independents outside of immediate family saw Lisa. Also may provide some insight into who was around Lisa just prior to her going missing.

Cappuccino
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.

In da Middle
10-08-2011, 02:31 PM
In regards to the California siting, I don't rule anything out. There was a case in VA where a man murdered his girlfriend and abducted her daughter who was 12 or 13, IIRC.
They were spotted arguing in a store parking lot in SF, CA by an astute person who pays attn to the news and reported it. They were found camping under the golden gate bridge.

I can only hope that baby Lisa was taken by a couple who wanted children and that she is being cared for properly. I just cannot think about the alternative.

According to In da Middle, this family was visible in the neighborhood by spending alot of time in the yard with the children. Lisa is such a beautiful baby, maybe just maybe, someone saw her fell in love with her and kidnapped her and fled. I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood moved out of their house around the time Lisa disappeared.

For this theory to work, it would have to be someone who saw her outside and coveted her. Every time I see the pic of her playing with her little kitchen set in the yard, my heart just melts!

I realize this is not really a practical theory. I just want this little darling to be found safe and sound.
MOO

wm

But just some random psycho wandering around would not know which bedroom is which. Sleeping habits. Work habits. Lock-the-door habits. If they had dogs or not. Dad's 1st night on night shift. I could go on and on, but you get my drift. I am now 100% convinced that it was NOT random! Don't really have a solid opinion who actually did it though.

Oh, yeah. There is only 1 house that people moved that I am aware of a few doors down and they also still live local. Easy enough to find out. I don't see them wanting a baby to add to their brood either! Stranger things have happened though!

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 02:32 PM
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Is this what they said before? I thought he checked on he and saw she was gone before he went to wake Deborah.

The story has changed a smidgen.

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:32 PM
OK FB seems to be a problem in this case. We must be sure we are following the policy of FB in our rules which I posted earlier in this thread.

Let's be careful about FB it is considered rumor here. Ask a mod before repeating what you are reading on Social Media sites. Thanks.

Elley Mae
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
The story has changed a smidgen.

and...

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Retired FBI Agent: Hope Starting to Fade for Baby Lisa

Video interview at link: http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-retired-fbi-agent-hope-starting-to-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111007,0,7006989.story

Cappuccino
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Its highly unlikely to be random, I agree, In da Middle. However, things like that do happen from time to time. Look at the killer of Stephanie Crowe - the odds against that being a random stranger were huge, and yet it was.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.

Yep. Here it is:


KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A woman who lives in the area where police believe a 10-month-old child was abducted said her husband saw a man carrying a baby early Tuesday morning, but didn’t think anything of it.

A neighbor, who later asked NBC Action News that she not be named, said her husband was coming home around 12 a.m. Tuesday when he saw the man carrying a baby wearing only a diaper.
---

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/neighbor-says-husband-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper#ixzz1aDUXzJGt

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Not closing a baby's door is a violation of every 4th grade fire safety lesson I ever got, not to mention my teen babysitting classes. Closing the door can be the difference between life and death in a fire.

IOW I always closed my baby's door. :) FWIW

Me too -- fire safety 101.

laurafairlie
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
I was asking in an earlier post if anyone knew what time this alleged sighting of a person toting a baby on the road was. If it was around 2:30. Was it indeed approx 2:30?? Because if so, that is just WAY too coincidental - the dumpster fire so close by, a possible call/text from an involved cell, AND a sighting of someone carrying a baby down the road in the neighborhood - ALL RIGHT AROUND 2:30 AM - and on the very night Lisa goes missing?!?!

I thought that sighting was around midnight..... but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

SuziQ
10-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Was the party even held at their house? For some reason I thought it was at the grandparents house.

IDK. Great question.

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Closing a baby's bedroom door? Why? How would you hear the child crying if the door was closed? That makes no sense to me at all.

I always closed the door when mine were littles. Baby monitors were such a blessing.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.

It was around 2am.

"One neighbor interviewed said he had seen a man carrying a baby near the Irwin's home at 2 a.m. Tuesday, but police spokesman Darin Snapp told MSNBC that lead "went nowhere."

From: http://m.ibtimes.com/lisa-irwin-missing-kansas-city-baby-infant-amber-alert-suspect-leads-called-off-police-siblings-fbi-225781.html

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Well....there's a certain vitriol in your statements! One would not think, to read them, that the above is the case. But I'll take your word. Interestingly, even though I try and defend the family whenever possible, I too, like you, am about 60/40 regarding family involvement.

If you detect vitriol in my statements it may be true. It makes me sick to think of people using a missing child as a money making venture. That turned me off right there. There is no good reason to go making deals with networks when your child is missing. If my child was missing I would be paying all the news outlets to run their story. If I wanted to offer a reward I would use my own money or borrow it. I would not be asking for money at this time. I have enough family/friends to help me financially to get me through any hardships I might have. The only help I would want from strangers is to keep looking for my child and spreading the word.
The lack of cooperation with LE is another sticking point but I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if money wasn't involved.

Blue Ridge
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.

Thank you Cappuccino!!!

Marah
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Which is why regulations against cribs with lowering sides still strikes me as counter-productive. One hazard, exchanged for another.

I used to fling myself out of the crib as a toddler. Which might explain a few things.
Seeing the crib on nightline, it looks low enough. The bumber in there makes it seem higher up.

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Thanks but I stay away from the FB pages on these missing persons cases so if I read it, I read it in a MSM article.

I saw it on MSM and read it on MSM and cannot find it now - I really don't think I have gone totally batty but ya never know:crazy:

vlpate
10-08-2011, 02:37 PM
Was in MSM on Thursday ... will find the link and search till my eyes go numb as it may provide a timeline for when any independents outside of immediate family saw Lisa. Also may provide some insight into who was around Lisa just prior to her going missing.

If you look up the new family pictures, a link which I've posted several times, you will see there are pictures from Oct. 2nd, and was apparently some sort off family gathering. Whether or not it was a birthday party is not noted below the picture.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:37 PM
If you detect vitriol in my statements it may be true. It makes me sick to think of people using a missing child as a money making venture. That turned me off right there. There is no good reason to go making deals with networks when your child is missing. If my child was missing I would be paying all the news outlets to run their story. If I wanted to offer a reward I would use my own money or borrow it. I would not be asking for money at this time. I have enough family/friends to help me financially to get me through any hardships I might have. The only help I would want from strangers is to keep looking for my child and spreading the word.
The lack of cooperation with LE is another sticking point but I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if money wasn't involved.
Agreed on the money-making. On an early Holly Bobo thread it was suggested that T-shirt sales proceeds were going into a personal-type fund, causing much negative comment amongst we posters there.

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:38 PM
I always closed the door when mine were littles. Baby monitors were such a blessing.

I guess I'm older than baby monitors. LOL Or I was too poor to have one. I always left the door partially open so that I could hear my baby. Even at Lisa's age.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:38 PM
Was in MSM on Thursday ... will find the link and search till my eyes go numb as it may provide a timeline for when any independents outside of immediate family saw Lisa. Also may provide some insight into who was around Lisa just prior to her going missing.

There's a slideshow of photos here from the birthday party on Oct. 2nd
http://www.kctv5.com/slideshow?widgetid=37993

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 02:38 PM
The FBI has offered rewards in other cases...not offering one here. Why not? Do they have almost everything they need to figure out what happened to Lisa?

SuziQ
10-08-2011, 02:38 PM
We are going down the rabbit hole with the BD party folks. MSM is not following this alleged BD party. The FB is not of one of the players and thus not allowed under our Social Media policy..... Anyone can write anything on FB. FB is considered rumor here. So lets be careful about what is on that FB.

And I knew all that. Sorry!

Blue Ridge
10-08-2011, 02:39 PM
It was around 2am.

"One neighbor interviewed said he had seen a man carrying a baby near the Irwin's home at 2 a.m. Tuesday, but police spokesman Darin Snapp told MSNBC that lead "went nowhere."

From: http://m.ibtimes.com/lisa-irwin-missing-kansas-city-baby-infant-amber-alert-suspect-leads-called-off-police-siblings-fbi-225781.html

Hmmm...well if it was at/around 2am that is close enough to 2:30 to seem suspicious. I wonder if it really 'went nowhere' or just being kept quiet for some reason. Thank you Kaylynn!!!

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:39 PM
If you look up the new family pictures, a link which I've posted several times, you will see there are pictures from Oct. 2nd, and was apparently some sort off family gathering. Whether or not it was a birthday party is not noted below the picture.

This link says the photos are from her brothers 8th birthday party.
http://www.kctv5.com/slideshow?widgetid=37993

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:40 PM
But just some random psycho wandering around would not know which bedroom is which. Sleeping habits. Work habits. Lock-the-door habits. If they had dogs or not. Dad's 1st night on night shift. I could go on and on, but you get my drift. I am now 100% convinced that it was NOT random! Don't really have a solid opinion who actually did it though.

Oh, yeah. There is only 1 house that people moved that I am aware of a few doors down and they also still live local. Easy enough to find out. I don't see them wanting a baby to add to their brood either! Stranger things have happened though!

Too many "firsts" for this to be a true stranger abduction unless their house was being staked out and behaviors/work schedules were being watched. MOO is that this was not a random act by a stranger - a perp maybe but not a stranger. MOO still sits that neither mom or dad is involved with the disappearance of Lisa.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:40 PM
The FBI has offered rewards in other cases...not offering one here. Why not? Do they have almost everything they need to figure out what happened to Lisa?

No, IMO. At every single presser I've seen, LE says they pretty much have nothing and are begging the public for information.

anothersheart71
10-08-2011, 02:41 PM
It was stated by someone who says they are Lisa's grandfather and it is on Facebook - Lisa Irwin Updates


In an interview by a KCTV 5 news reporter talking to the grandfather....I think the link is in thread #6....during this interview the grandfather states that the parents and children had been over for a birthday party for a grandson's 8th birthday on Sunday....that Lisa had a cold and was a bit fussy but still smiling and happy. I know we have the link posted somewhere but I am not able to find it on their website now. It aired on KCTV 5 on Thursday evening I believe is when I saw it.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:41 PM
I don't think this video mentions DNA but it shows LE at the neighbors house 2 doors down. It's at the 1:55 mark.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44827306#44827306

wm


That is a very telling scene. At least one male detective and woman detective talking to a guy with paperwork in hand out on the street instead of in the house.

To me that might mean it is the home of the teenager and they just want to talk to the dad. An hour is a long time.


I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.


It was around 2am.

"One neighbor interviewed said he had seen a man carrying a baby near the Irwin's home at 2 a.m. Tuesday, but police spokesman Darin Snapp told MSNBC that lead "went nowhere."

From: http://m.ibtimes.com/lisa-irwin-missing-kansas-city-baby-infant-amber-alert-suspect-leads-called-off-police-siblings-fbi-225781.html

Add it all together with the info about the teen and taking DNA it really makes me wonder.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
Hmmm...well if it was at/around 2am that is close enough to 2:30 to seem suspicious. I wonder if it really 'went nowhere' or just being kept quiet for some reason. Thank you Kaylynn!!!

Local MSM sources (see above @ post #183) quote the man's wife as saying he returned home and saw the man carrying the diapered baby around midnight.

Another merry mix-up with the press, though I've never really heard of the the other source - International Business Times, which does not appear to be local to the case.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
If the teen holds any clue in this, IMO it won't be the teen themselves. It will be someone in the teens family (father would be my first guess).

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
I think if everyone can remember one single rule here it would be helpful to your staying in sync with our rules.

If you cannot link to a source that means the discussion is not allowed. So if a site cannot be linked to it is a violation of the rules to post what you are reading without the link. In fact it is more serious because it appears you are trying to get around the rules.

Not saying that is what is happening here, we have lots of newbies which is good. So get your links ready if it isn't something that we have already sourced in the past, new information. xoxoxo

Thanks. :)

DairyGirl
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
I guess I'm older than baby monitors. LOL Or I was too poor to have one. I always left the door partially open so that I could hear my baby. Even at Lisa's age.

I never owned a baby monitor and I always kept their doors closed, all 5 of them, and the grandkids. God knows it is hard enough to get them to sleep and I wasn't taking any chances of anything in the house waking them up. Believe me, I always knew when my kids were up. Of course I slept with them until they were, uh, in High School? JK, but my 16 year old still comes into my room at night when she is scared.

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
Which is why regulations against cribs with lowering sides still strikes me as counter-productive. One hazard, exchanged for another.

I used to fling myself out of the crib as a toddler. Which might explain a few things.



I posted this last night but I will repost since the crib was brought up again....


Per my pediatrician, who raised 6 of his own kids, and has seen it all:

A fall from a crib onto a carpeted floor is highly unlikely to cause serious damage to a baby. Even a fall onto a hardwood floor will more than likely do no lasting harm. It is falls from grocery carts onto concrete floors, or high falls onto very hard surfaces that cause the kind of damage you are all speculating about.
My child fell from her crib while climbing out ( and yes the mattress was lowered), and she was fine. My niece fell off a counter top on her face/forehead while in her baby carrier at 3 months of age, onto a vinyl floor over a concrete slab, and she was fine.
He told me that it is really not that common for falls to do serious, permanent damage, or to cause the death of a baby. That's why police don't believe abusers when they claim massive damage was caused from a fall off of a sofa or off a table, etc.

liz b.
10-08-2011, 02:43 PM
This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO

Just K
10-08-2011, 02:43 PM
If the parents were involved their thinking could also be that describing what she was wearing would show that a stranger took her if her clothes were found.

I'm not convinced one way or the other about the parents involvement.

JMHO
And that takes us back to the curious dumpster fire. Bring attention to a burning dumpster so that the police will find evidence that someone removed the child's clothing and set them on fire to destroy evidence of the specific clothing that the mother would describe.

Hypothesis: Parents know what happened to the child, either a fake abduction, to garner attention and then money, and they plan to have someone mysteriously drop her off to be found

or something happened in that home and they are covering for someone in the house

If not, someone really did steal their child and their cellphones, took off the identifying clothes, threw them in a nearby dumpster, got into a waiting vehicle and left the scene.

The last scenario seems the most absurd.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 02:44 PM
Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

BBM. Well so much for that. :(

pdxmama
10-08-2011, 02:44 PM
Baby monitor?

May be easier to help the baby sleep while her siblings are still up if you close the door to her room.

Sleeping with closed bedroom doors is also recommended by fire departments as a safety measure in case there is a fire in the home at night. We received a brochure once about how to create a Family Fire Safety Plan and that was one of the steps to take.

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:44 PM
Local MSM sources (see above @ post #183) quote the man's wife as saying he returned home and saw the man carrying the diapered baby around midnight.

Another merry mix-up with the press, though I've never really heard of the the other source - International Business Times, which does not appear to be local to the case.

I just did a search and I've found several articles stating midnight, several stating 2am, and a few stating 1am.

So, I guess it's media mis-reporting (again) and the actual time is pretty much up in the air right now.

vlpate
10-08-2011, 02:44 PM
I saw it on MSM and read it on MSM and cannot find it now - I really don't think I have gone totally batty but ya never know:crazy:

http://www.kctv5.com/
Scroll down on the right until you get to Photo Galleries

I keep getting an error when I click on the link, but it could be my browser settings.

cluciano63
10-08-2011, 02:45 PM
This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO

Maybe the teen was a babysitter and they need to rule out all DNA in the baby's room.

marge_rita
10-08-2011, 02:45 PM
and...
And.......read the article that included with my comment.

mentalsolstice
10-08-2011, 02:45 PM
If you detect vitriol in my statements it may be true. It makes me sick to think of people using a missing child as a money making venture. That turned me off right there. There is no good reason to go making deals with networks when your child is missing. If my child was missing I would be paying all the news outlets to run their story. If I wanted to offer a reward I would use my own money or borrow it. I would not be asking for money at this time. I have enough family/friends to help me financially to get me through any hardships I might have. The only help I would want from strangers is to keep looking for my child and spreading the word.
The lack of cooperation with LE is another sticking point but I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if money wasn't involved.

Good that you have friends and resources to help you out in such a situation. I think a lot of what is happening here is so many of us were turned off by the Anthony's money raising tactics, and we forget that initially raising money with interviews and setting up a trust fund is very common in missing persons cases. I've never been aware of such a case that did not involve donations and such.

Unlike yourself, perhaps Irwin/Bradley and their families and friends do not have a lot of financial resources...and with today's economy a lot of people are already maxed out with their savings and credit.

I'm on the fence about this case, however, I'm trying to give Irwin/Bradley the benefit of the doubt until there is concrete proof implicating them.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:45 PM
And that takes us back to the curious dumpster fire. Bring attention to a burning dumpster so that the police will find evidence that someone removed the child's clothing and set them on fire to destroy evidence of the specific clothing that the mother would describe.

Hypothesis: Parents know what happened to the child, either a fake abduction, to garner attention and then money, and they plan to have someone mysteriously drop her off to be found

or something happened in that home and they are covering for someone in the house

If not someone really did steal their child and their cellphones, took off the identifying clothes, threw them in a nearby dumpster, got into a waiting vehicle and left the scene.

The last scenario seems the most absurd.
Respecting your opinion but begging to differ, I would say that the first scenario is the more absurd.

wfgodot
10-08-2011, 02:46 PM
I just did a search and I've found several articles stating midnight, several stating 2am, and a few stating 1am.

So, I guess it's media mis-reporting (again) and the actual time is pretty much up in the air right now.

Me too, was just googling! Coin-flip time. Heads, midnight, tails, 2 a.m.

Boodles
10-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Can someone pls explain what "MSM" is?

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:47 PM
There's a slideshow of photos here from the birthday party on Oct. 2nd
http://www.kctv5.com/slideshow?widgetid=37993

I could seriously kiss you right about now ........(smooch) and my eyes thank you ever so much!

Why is Lisa the only female in any of the pictures. Birthday party and no pictures of Lisa with anybody other than the males in the family? Finding this a tad odd - well odd based on family b'days that we have in our family so this is just personal opinion only.

grandmaj
10-08-2011, 02:47 PM
This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO

I don't know it could be something or it could be nothing. Maybe they are trying to eliminate this person. He/she must be underage because they are not naming him/her. I'm not sure how it will help because if she/he was in the house then their DNA would be in the house. Unless there is some evidence that we don't know about in which they are trying to match DNA? How's that for a mess of speculative confusion? :lol:

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Can someone pls explain what "MSM" is?

MSM stands for "main stream media" which is pretty much any news outlet (local or national).

MSM does not mean Facebook, other forum posts, things that could be considered "rumors", etc.

annalia
10-08-2011, 02:47 PM
If you detect vitriol in my statements it may be true. It makes me sick to think of people using a missing child as a money making venture. That turned me off right there. There is no good reason to go making deals with networks when your child is missing. If my child was missing I would be paying all the news outlets to run their story. If I wanted to offer a reward I would use my own money or borrow it. I would not be asking for money at this time. I have enough family/friends to help me financially to get me through any hardships I might have. The only help I would want from strangers is to keep looking for my child and spreading the word.
The lack of cooperation with LE is another sticking point but I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if money wasn't involved.

It may be as simple as they don't have any money for a reward nor does their family or friends, not enough needed for a reward.

Maybe you or someone else might have enough that they wouldn't need to ask, but that doesn't mean other families in their position do though. If someone doesn't have money for a reward they just don't have it, it's as simple as that.

Time will tell.

JMHO

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:48 PM
Too many "firsts" for this to be a true stranger abduction unless their house was being staked out and behaviors/work schedules were being watched. MOO is that this was not a random act by a stranger - a perp maybe but not a stranger. MOO still sits that neither mom or dad is involved with the disappearance of Lisa.

I keep thinking all the "first" or coincidences are the reason it happened or part of it.

My gut keeps telling me the phones are gone because one of the parents got rid of them because they knew they would prove an affair.

HatesSociopaths
10-08-2011, 02:49 PM
Does anyone know if the family of Debbie lives on the same street as Lisa's house?

One of the brothers lives about 3 miles away, per last known address.

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:49 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/
Scroll down on the right until you get to Photo Galleries

I keep getting an error when I click on the link, but it could be my browser settings.

And a BIG OLE ........... (SMOOCH) to you too!!!!!

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:50 PM
I am getting the same error right now on that link where they say [more] to pull up the entire article regarding the birthday party and pics in the slideshow. May be a problem with their page right now. Will keep trying though.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Ft%3D150897%26page%3D9&v=1&libid=1318099504093&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kctv5.com%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsea rch.php%3Fsearchid%3D4736636&title=MO%20MO%20-%20Amber%20Alert%3A%20Lisa%20Irwin%2C%2010%20month s%2C%20Kansas%20City%2C%204%20October%202011%20%23 8%20-%20Page%209%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kctv5.com%2F&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13180998339772

elepher50
10-08-2011, 02:51 PM
In an interview by a KCTV 5 news reporter talking to the grandfather....I think the link is in thread #6....during this interview the grandfather states that the parents and children had been over for a birthday party for a grandson's 8th birthday on Sunday....that Lisa had a cold and was a bit fussy but still smiling and happy. I know we have the link posted somewhere but I am not able to find it on their website now. It aired on KCTV 5 on Thursday evening I believe is when I saw it.

And another >.............. (SMOOCHIE) ... going to you. Okay guys I will stop now .. I have gone totally batty..............:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

SilkySifaka
10-08-2011, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the link peeps. This was news to me this morning. :)

I think it is just as important as LE stating that parents had stopped cooperating.

A teen (think the ones who kill pets) could take the baby, would likely pocket cell phones just cause, and that they were concerned enough to take DNA says a lot to me.

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:51 PM
This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO Yes, but maybe not on the clothes of the babies if they are found or the phones or the baby if she was bathed.

Curious Me
10-08-2011, 02:51 PM
There seems to be a distance from the Dad towards the Mom in the article photo of them "embracing". His hands are in his pockets. They're probably both caught in their own private hell, but I sense a hesitation of trust from him to her. I don't know what to think, but I've very worried about little Lisa.


Missing girl's family to work on generating tips for police, reward fund
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html

Just K
10-08-2011, 02:51 PM
The Question

In this exclusive preview clip, Judge Jeanine asks Jeremy and Deborah Irwin, “What’s the next thing you remember?” after realizing that their child had gone missing from her crib.

(The Answer makes no sense.)


Deborah responds saying,

“Him[Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”

Now that is a mess of a statement...He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ and in the next sentence, "And we got up and started"

liz b.
10-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Wonder if the teenage neighbor was babysitting that night ? If Deb had to go out for something ? MOO

tlcya
10-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Can someone pls explain what "MSM" is?

Main Stream Media (ie ABC CBS CNN NBC, etc)

for a handy reference guide to commonly used acronyms here at Websleuths click the link at the bottom of my post called Websleuths lingo :)

gliving
10-08-2011, 02:52 PM
Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n


This makes me doubt an attorney was present.

SilkySifaka
10-08-2011, 02:53 PM
The first thing a kidnapper would do is get rid of her clothes. That's what was so intriguing about the neighbor's claim of seeing a man with a baby clad only in a diaper.
The dumpster fire might involve those clothes as well.

I find it hard to believe the dumpster fire isn't involved. It is also why I still think its someone outside the family

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:53 PM
I could seriously kiss you right about now ........(smooch) and my eyes thank you ever so much!

Why is Lisa the only female in any of the pictures. Birthday party and no pictures of Lisa with anybody other than the males in the family? Finding this a tad odd - well odd based on family b'days that we have in our family so this is just personal opinion only.

:loveyou:

I found that odd as well.

raeann
10-08-2011, 02:54 PM
I posted this last night but I will repost since the crib was brought up again....


Per my pediatrician, who raised 6 of his own kids, and has seen it all:

A fall from a crib onto a carpeted floor is highly unlikely to cause serious damage to a baby. Even a fall onto a hardwood floor will more than likely do no lasting harm. It is falls from grocery carts onto concrete floors, or high falls onto very hard surfaces that cause the kind of damage you are all speculating about.
My child fell from her crib while climbing out ( and yes the mattress was lowered), and she was fine. My niece fell off a counter top on her face/forehead while in her baby carrier at 3 months of age, onto a vinyl floor over a concrete slab, and she was fine.
He told me that it is really not that common for falls to do serious, permanent damage, or to cause the death of a baby. That's why police don't believe abusers when they claim massive damage was caused from a fall off of a sofa or off a table, etc.

Yes, in 30 years of ER work, my Dh has rarely seen a truly serious injury from a crib fall. Dislocated shoulders, some broken arms, lots of bumped heads checked out by CT scans, pinched fingers, etc. Of course, any injury to a baby is serious, but it would be truly rare for a fall like that to be life threatening.

jmo

Dr.Fessel
10-08-2011, 02:55 PM
CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family & police both deny parents being questioned today. PD says they've exchanged phone calls, but not sat down with anyone.
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
That was 32 minutes ago.

Marah
10-08-2011, 02:55 PM
Any hints or ideas as to what kind of DNA might have been found at the scene?

liz b.
10-08-2011, 02:55 PM
Yes, but maybe not on the clothes of the babies if they are found or the phones or the baby if she was bathed.

IF this is a female neighbor, I can see her being asked to babysit at times...MOO

Apples2Apples
10-08-2011, 02:57 PM
I honestly think that more than 1 person is involved. I think that likely 2 people know. I also have a feeling that people are protecting the people who are involved.

Duke Fan4
10-08-2011, 02:57 PM
Maybe the teen ran "errands" for mom.

Shelby1
10-08-2011, 02:58 PM
I can't wait until I can type "Baby Lisa found safe!" at the bottom of this.


Lisa Irwin Timeline

A few good news/video links:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn)

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg)

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-officers-search-for-abducted-baby-in-kansas-city-20111004,0,3181219.story


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG)


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents-stop-cooperating-police-14688735)

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. Father calls 911 around 4:04 a.m.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter (http://twitter.com/CliffJudy/status/121410556468015104) 9:25 P
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**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv)

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz)
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Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)
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http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

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**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4)

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Originally Posted by BeanE file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a39rwETg)


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG)

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Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3 (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3)


Friday October 7, 2011
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(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago

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**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Melissa/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image003.jpg



**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating)

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ˝ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy (http://twitter.com/#%21/CliffJudy)

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Saturday October 8, 2011

Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-07/news/30255015_1_fbi-agents-kansas-city-police-landfill/2

**Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
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Tweets (thank you BeanE)

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
32 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
57 minutes ago

Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy (http://twitter.com/#%21/CliffJudy)



**Parents agree to meet with police today

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.
The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.
This comes after police on Thursday had said Irwin and Bradley were no longer cooperating with detectives. The parents have denied this.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents



**Parents trying to set up trust fund to encourage more tips.

Mike LeRette — a cousin of the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, and a spokesman for the family — said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund that would accept donations for a reward fund.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html#ixzz1aDYVW4N6 (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html#ixzz1aDYVW4N6)




Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1aDSWbY9n (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n)



(http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7204338)

KaylynnCouture
10-08-2011, 02:58 PM
Yes, in 30 years of ER work, my Dh has rarely seen a truly serious injury from a crib fall. Dislocated shoulders, some broken arms, lots of bumped heads checked out by CT scans, pinched fingers, etc. Of course, any injury to a baby is serious, but it would be truly rare for a fall like that to be life threatening.

jmo

At the risk of making me sound like a totally crappy parent..

My daughter is a daredevil, and no matter how low we put her crib mattress, she STILL jumps/falls/flips out of her crib (to the point where we've had to put like a giant stack of pillows under her crib so she'd have a "soft landing"). This is rare, but we spoke to our pediatrician about it anyways and he said obviously we need to work on a solution for it BUT the chances of her ever having a serious injury from it are highly unlikely.

EllaMae
10-08-2011, 02:59 PM
:loveyou:

I found that odd as well.


I saw a photo or two of Lisa with an older woman that I assumed was a grandmother.

BeanE
10-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Heycameraman HC
@dannyboi965 PD would not call that cooperating.
1 minute ago

Heycameraman HC
My last tweet about #LisaIrwin was per Steve Young kcmo pd PIO.
35 minutes ago

Heycameraman HC
#LisaIrwin's parents have talked with kcmo pd over the phone. They have yet to talk to them in person since Thursday evening.
39 minutes ago



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elepher50
10-08-2011, 03:00 PM
IF this is a female neighbor, I can see her being asked to babysit at times...MOO

Boys are known to babysit quite often and sometimes are preferred as they tie up the phones less than the girls do and are distracted less easily ... this is from personal experience with the boys/girls in my family only so this is personal opinion only and not based on any scientific study.