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BetteDavisEyes
10-14-2011, 08:01 PM
Live report on the case.
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:04 PM
Geesh! but we have to hear about dancing with the stars first!!! :innocent:
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:06 PM
What's this about a brown paper bag and envelope that LE was seen with today? I missed most of today's coverage...is this anything or just another "bombshell" of NG's making? For all I know, it was the guy's lunch and a bill he needed to drop off at the post office!
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:06 PM
What's up with this search at a rock quarry?

LE is all over the place looking. Good for them!
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 08:07 PM
After yesterday's fiasco, I don't know that I care to watch.

Nevertheless - does anyone have a live link? TIA!
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:08 PM
Wow, so many FBI near the quarry!!! They may have found something.
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:08 PM
What's this about a brown paper bag and envelope that LE was seen with today? I missed most of today's coverage...is this anything or just another "bombshell" of NG's making?

LE did return to the Irwin home today and took out an envelope and something in a brown paper bag. Don't know if it's a bombshell or not, since we don't know what was in it.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:09 PM
FBI evidence van at rock quarry. NG reporting agents were running, not walking to a place in the site.
HatesSociopaths
10-14-2011, 08:09 PM
FBI seen RUNNING at the rock quarry....
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:10 PM
Someone on NG's team spotted FBI "running" alongside a rock quarry today. Also showing unmarked FBI evidence truck in the quarry too.

1398 RSO's in a 5 mile radius of Lisa's home. (that sounds like here)

Caller asking if mom had a baby monitor.

OMG - ed on NG doesn't know. GMAB
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:10 PM
What's this about a brown paper bag and envelope that LE was seen with today? I missed most of today's coverage...is this anything or just another "bombshell" of NG's making? For all I know, it was the guy's lunch and a bill he needed to drop off at the post office!

I didnt hear i got a phone call of all times!!! :innocent:
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:10 PM
Gee, pitiful, none of these paid media people know if the baby monitor was on.
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:10 PM
FBI seen RUNNING at the rock quarry....

I watched that search for a long time...never saw anyone running. Is she posting video of that? :waitasec:
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:12 PM
And, by "FBI seen running" does she mean one guy or a whole group? Maybe one guy just ate a bad burrito...

I hate it when they make nothing into something. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but don't act like it is bigger than it is!
BetteDavisEyes
10-14-2011, 08:13 PM
That the FBI and/or LE repeatedly return to the family home or to nearby settings suggests that they know that the child wasn't taken too far away. jmo
yllek
10-14-2011, 08:14 PM
Gee, pitiful, none of these paid media people know if the baby monitor was on.

:maddening:

The baby monitor has been mentioned since the start. Not only did Deborah confirm that she had a baby monitor on during the Judge Jeanine interview; I remember a family spokesperson making a specific statement about the baby monitor being on and Debbi still not hearing anything.

I kinda like this CNN reporter that Nancy has live on the scene; he seems like his humanity is still very much in tact (he was great yesterday). But, he should have known the answer to the caller's question about whether the mom had a baby monitor.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:14 PM
After yesterday's fiasco, I don't know that I care to watch.

Nevertheless - does anyone have a live link? TIA!

This is a livestream link I have not used, but it looks pretty solid. You have to download the software.

http://download.headlinealley.com/index.jhtml?spu=true&partner=Z5xdm002&gclid=COzk7eyz6asCFWgZQgod7GGqHg
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:15 PM
That the FBI and/or LE repeatedly return to the family home or to nearby settings suggests that they know that the child wasn't taken too far away. jmo

Im telling u somethings up! They have something but want more.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:15 PM
And, by "FBI seen running" does she mean one guy or a whole group? Maybe one guy just ate a bad burrito...

I hate it when they make nothing into something. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but don't act like it is bigger than it is!

No, they showed them running, it was a group.
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:16 PM
No, they showed them running, it was a group.

That's a lot of bad burritos!
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:16 PM
Uh oh Nancy not gonna believe parents. moo
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:17 PM
And, by "FBI seen running" does she mean one guy or a whole group? Maybe one guy just ate a bad burrito...

I hate it when they make nothing into something. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but don't act like it is bigger than it is!

The closest thing I saw to "running" was 2 of the guys swinging their arms and twisting their hips like their backs were getting sore. :waitasec:
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:18 PM
I just don't get why the 911 call hasn't been released. Not. At. All. We ALWAYS get the 911 call within days of the breaking case.

What is on that call that LE thinks it should stay underwraps?

Dad made call at 4:04AM.

NG just finding out that this is the FIRST night of dad working night shift. Ed is reporting that dad came home at 4 AM - that's not right. Dad got home at 3:30AM and they ran around looking - 911 was called at 4:04AM

Initially reported as a burglarly IN PROGRESS!!!! That's new - how did dad or dispatcher know this burglarly was still IN PROGRESS???
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:18 PM
..this case has verses of the Haleigh Cummings case. Father getting home @ 4;00am; new to night work, lights on. window/door open.
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:18 PM
The closest thing I saw to "running" was 2 of the guys swinging their arms and twisting their hips like their backs were getting sore. :waitasec:

Maybe some were on scene before we got live feed! i dont know! moo
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
No, they showed them running, it was a group.

They showed video of it?!

Wow...I honestly never saw that, and I watched for a LONG time.
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
The timeline story never gets filled out is my complaint. I'm most interested in the officier that wanted to get off the 911 call, and go straight to the cell phone. Was that right after talking to the neighbor across the street?
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Uh oh Nancy not gonna believe parents. moo

..I'm with Nancy on this one.
epiphany
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Gloria Allred: good thing hired criminal defense lawyer; no confidentiality spilling story to Private Investigator

NG: right about what they say to PI-will not be held confidentially
cachmo
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
omg Nancy says they HAVE hired a defense lawyer. I heard rumor didnt know that was a sure thing
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Rut roh! The parents have an attorney. I heard they did that last week.
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
I keep hearing mention of a "high profile criminal defense lawyer" being hired by the parents.

???

Did I miss something?
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:19 PM
NG is saying now that the family has hired an attorney. Some high power - no name given yet - just was a guy that defended some dad in a missing child case and the dad got off.
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Who is the lawyer that the family hired?
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:20 PM
..I'm with Nancy on this one.

Me too! and that rarely happens!!!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
justbetweenus
10-14-2011, 08:20 PM
This is a livestream link I have not used, but it looks pretty solid. You have to download the software.

http://download.headlinealley.com/index.jhtml?spu=true&partner=Z5xdm002&gclid=COzk7eyz6asCFWgZQgod7GGqHg

Thank-you so much!!
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:22 PM
NG is saying now that the family has hired an attorney. Some high power - no name given yet - just was a guy that defended some dad in a missing child case and the dad got off.

I saw her on tv. from Illinois. She said she hadnt been retained yet though!! moo
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:22 PM
Who is the lawyer that the family hired?
no name given yet Patty, I've been listening closely too.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:23 PM
I keep hearing mention of a "high profile criminal defense lawyer" being hired by the parents.

???

Did I miss something?

NOPE! :maddening:
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:23 PM
Oh wait - could NG be confusing Dr. Randazzo with an attorney? IDK - maybe.

Funny no one has named this high-powered defense attorney.
natsound
10-14-2011, 08:23 PM
We know about the box of wine... do we know if DB had a drug or alcohol problem? Could she owe a debt?

And... what do you think of NG's theory that if FBI is searching the rock quarry, then that's a sign Lisa is no longer with us?
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:23 PM
no name given yet Patty, I've been listening closely too.

I cant remember name. I will google it. I think she was on a morning show.
HatesSociopaths
10-14-2011, 08:24 PM
These are the rock quarries in Kansas City per yellow pages.

I'm guessing they are at #4 on there, but that is 2 miles away.

http://www.yellowpages.com/kansas-city-mo/rock-quarries
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 08:24 PM
Do we have this rock quarry on a map ?
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:24 PM
Well, we really don't know for sure IF a criminal defense attorney has really been hired. Let's just take this news with a "grain of salt" ESPECIALLY since Nancy didn't know, nor did the reporter "on the case" know that there was a baby monitor on in the room.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:25 PM
NG is saying now that the family has hired an attorney. Some high power - no name given yet - just was a guy that defended some dad in a missing child case and the dad got off.

Looks like the mother stopped crying long enough to get an attorney. Wanna bet they hired one during their crisis break?

Patty G. You are right...but I heard about this last week...after they said they weren't going to be making many public statements anymore. They said they wanted the focus to be on Lisa.

They had the where-with-all to set up a fund too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/10/09/2011-10-09_missing_baby_lisa_irwins_parents_announce_rewar d_trust_fund_say_they_will_do_les.html
epiphany
10-14-2011, 08:26 PM
Dr. Sheryl McC (Cold Case Expert): they want u to believe a stranger came in t house...why couldn't pass LTD-which question bothered her; they should b on ur show tonight begging for her; they should b in t woods looking for her
epiphany
10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
NG: parents r not suspects in this case
GourmetSoy
10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
We were just discussing her last night and I can't remember what thread or her name. Think similar to Rosemarie Bolin, as in a relationship with a murderer she represented. I'll go see if I can find it!

ETA: in reference to the attorney
matou
10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
the reward info hasn't been updated yet on the show. Still shows $1000
nursebeeme
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Do we have this rock quarry on a map ?

i can put it on the map.. did they say which one?
matou
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Where is the quarry?
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Do we have this rock quarry on a map ?


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda8 7&msa=0&ll=39.162378,-94.520627&spn=0.003194,0.00809
panthera
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
I just don't get why the 911 call hasn't been released. Not. At. All. We ALWAYS get the 911 call within days of the breaking case.

What is on that call that LE thinks it should stay underwraps?

Dad made call at 4:04AM.

NG just finding out that this is the FIRST night of dad working night shift. Ed is reporting that dad came home at 4 AM - that's not right. Dad got home at 3:30AM and they ran around looking - 911 was called at 4:04AM

Initially reported as a burglarly IN PROGRESS!!!! That's new - how did dad or dispatcher know this burglarly was still IN PROGRESS???
Very strange. Wasn't 911 called because Lisa was missing/kidnapped? Definitely would like to hear that call. "Burglary in Progress" sounds more like someone missed the 3 cell phones more so than the baby.

:waitasec:
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
**TOTAL GUESS ON MY PART** (also no confirmation that the parents have, in fact, hired an attorney)

NG said that the family had "lawyered up" with a high-powered criminal defense attorney who had "very recently" gotten a father acquitted of kidnapping and murdering his baby girl. (paraphrased)

Wonder if it is Gregory Cholakis??

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Father-acquitted-of-murder-several-other-counts-2215564.php

Edited to add: I did a quick scan of this case and I don't see mention of kidnapping, so maybe it's not the right guy.
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Reward flyer on NG is still saying $1,000.

hhhmmm..............
thumbtack
10-14-2011, 08:29 PM
NG: parents r not suspects in this case

yet.......imo
panthera
10-14-2011, 08:30 PM
Where is the quarry?

Bottom of TV screen: One mile from the house.
matou
10-14-2011, 08:30 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda8 7&msa=0&ll=39.162378,-94.520627&spn=0.003194,0.00809

That's only a few minutes away :(
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:30 PM
Where's the rock quarry?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda8 7&msa=0&ll=39.162378,-94.520627&spn=0.003194,0.00809
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 08:31 PM
Reward flyer on NG is still saying $1,000.

hhhmmm..............

I think NG is behind on her info. Why am I not surprised?
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 08:31 PM
Were back to DWTS !!!:furious:
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
**TOTAL GUESS ON MY PART** (also no confirmation that the parents have, in fact, hired an attorney)

NG said that the family had "lawyered up" with a high-powered criminal defense attorney who had "very recently" gotten a father acquitted of kidnapping and murdering his baby girl. (paraphrased)

Wonder if it is Gregory Cholakis??

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Father-acquitted-of-murder-several-other-counts-2215564.php

He appears to be out of New York.
http://www.cholakislaw.com/
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
**TOTAL GUESS ON MY PART** (also no confirmation that the parents have, in fact, hired an attorney)

NG said that the family had "lawyered up" with a high-powered criminal defense attorney who had "very recently" gotten a father acquitted of kidnapping and murdering his baby girl. (paraphrased)

Wonder if it is Gregory Cholakis??

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Father-acquitted-of-murder-several-other-counts-2215564.php
It is the lady lawyer that got Kevin Fox out of prison. Can't remember her name.
Melanie
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
well that didn't take long. 5:30 and we're now moving on to DWTS. Now THAT's important! :(

I'm sorry buy I can't bring myself to vote for Nancy this week when such valuable airtime is being wasted on this nonsense.

MOO

Mel
cachmo
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
Was there a lawyer on NG last night or was it Dr Drew. She had just gotten someone off recently and her mouth was drawn to one sided
Peepers
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
Weird we have not heard about the high powered defense attorney except from Nancy. Did her guest say the Dad refused a LD test. I thought the Dad said LE said he didnt need to take one. Things are changing so fast, I cant keep up..


OMG not Dancing with the stars. Nancy: A BABY IS MISSING!
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
So much for Baby Lisa ...
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:32 PM
Attorney is Kathleen Zellner. Case was kevin fox. will county Illinois. I cant copy link for some reason. moo
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 08:33 PM
So we're Dancing with the Stars now?

All righty then.

So much for a missing baby, Nancy.

Waltz, anyone?
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:33 PM
Attorney is Kathleen Zellner. Case was kevin fox. will county Illinois. I cant copy link for some reason. moo

Thanks for the info!

What's really sad is that there are multiple options...
Curious Me
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
OFHS - oh for heaven's sake

We've got to talk about NG and dancing now! She's even taking dance calls.

Looking for the quarry on the map.
tiredblondy
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
I think NG is behind on her info. Why am I not surprised?

Because we're too fast for her research team to keep up with LOL
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
So we're Dancing with the Stars now?

All righty then.

So much for a missing baby, Nancy.

Waltz, anyone?

You have to be kidding me!!!:maddening:
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Kathleen T. Zellner https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1146566231
Melanie
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
So much for Baby Lisa ...

SO not-voting-for-nancy-this-week. A pasooo-doobley is not important. You would think Nancy, of all people, would know this.

But it's her show, so if she feels it's important, she can deal with it.
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Where's the rock quarry?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda8 7&msa=0&ll=39.162378,-94.520627&spn=0.003194,0.00809

Thank You for the map ! :rocker:
Peepers
10-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Was the lawyer just retained today?
GourmetSoy
10-14-2011, 08:35 PM
It is the lady lawyer that got Kevin Fox out of prison. Can't remember her name.

Found your post from last night's NG!

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel
Kathleen Zellner.......................The circus grows.

Chicagoan Jim Lichtenstein is delighted he's landed Glencoe native Clayton Frohman -- who penned last year's acclaimed ''Defiance,'' starring Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber -- to write the screenplay for Lichtenstein's ''Privileged Information'' film, starring Jessica Biel. The actress will also produce the movie with Lichtenstein, Michelle Purple and Wendy Rhoads -- a film about Chicago attorney Kathleen Zellner's relationship with serial killer Larry Eyler, a client. Lichtenstein is still hoping to shoot in Chicago and says ''the new soundstage being built here will be a great factor in that decision."

http://www.kathleentzellner.com/priv...formation.html
justbeachy
10-14-2011, 08:35 PM
Oh, for the love of biscuits. Who gives a rat's behind about DWTS? They are seriously discussing him wearing a shirt AND a vest. Really? That's fascinating.
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:36 PM
If those bad ole parents just learned how to dance Nancy would have them on the show.
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:36 PM
Was the lawyer just retained today?

We do NOT know if there is actually an attorney or not at this point. Nancy threw something out there but we don't know how up to date she is at this point.
panthera
10-14-2011, 08:36 PM
Very, very disappointing.

:maddening:
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:36 PM
Weird we have not heard about the high powered defense attorney except from Nancy. Did her guest say the Dad refused a LD test. I thought the Dad said LE said he didnt need to take one. Things are changing so fast, I cant keep up..


OMG not Dancing with the stars. Nancy: A BABY IS MISSING!
That was that Sheryl MacColem (sp?) - cold case expert - she had some good things and was totally off on others.

She mentioned the wine and how much was left or if the box was even found.
Why mom failed the LDT - and on what questions.
Why dad REFUSED a LDT. (we've been told that LE told him he didn't need to take one - but remember - we HEARD THIS from DAD - LE has not commented on any LDT.

On to DWTS - no name attorney never named. hhhmmmmm................
natsound
10-14-2011, 08:36 PM
well that didn't take long. 5:30 and we're now moving on to dwts. Now that's important! :(

i'm sorry buy i can't bring myself to vote for nancy this week when such valuable airtime is being wasted on this nonsense.

Moo

mel

i agree!!!!
nursebeeme
10-14-2011, 08:37 PM
added it to the map:http://g.co/maps/dr5sw
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:37 PM
Found your post from last night's NG!

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel
Kathleen Zellner.......................The circus grows.

Chicagoan Jim Lichtenstein is delighted he's landed Glencoe native Clayton Frohman -- who penned last year's acclaimed ''Defiance,'' starring Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber -- to write the screenplay for Lichtenstein's ''Privileged Information'' film, starring Jessica Biel. The actress will also produce the movie with Lichtenstein, Michelle Purple and Wendy Rhoads -- a film about Chicago attorney Kathleen Zellner's relationship with serial killer Larry Eyler, a client. Lichtenstein is still hoping to shoot in Chicago and says ''the new soundstage being built here will be a great factor in that decision."

http://www.kathleentzellner.com/priv...formation.html

Oh yes, Jim L. LOL LOL
Peepers
10-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Is LE still at the quarry or have they finished there?
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Any association with wild bill? The lawyer i mean.
GourmetSoy
10-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Oh yes, Jim L. LOL LOL

LOL! You had that bolded, looks odd in this context. Kathleen Zellner was the name from NG last night.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 08:39 PM
Mother fails the poly and the father refuses it...oh brother!
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Where's the rock quarry?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda8 7&msa=0&ll=39.162378,-94.520627&spn=0.003194,0.00809

I believe it's within the big blue area off of Armor. At least, from google earth that appears to be a rock quarry. When I was watching the search, they were over on NE 37th St. ,which would be behind the quarry.
nursebeeme
10-14-2011, 08:40 PM
I saw the interview with that lawyer (that looks like Ms Akilitus from nurse jackie) and I was under the impression she just called the family...

I didn't hear it reported that she was retained or representing them?
cluciano63
10-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Do we know for sure if FBI was running at a search scene? That would seem somewhat importand or unusual to me...
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:42 PM
added it to the map:http://g.co/maps/dr5sw

Guess I was off alittle? :waitasec:
SuziQ
10-14-2011, 08:42 PM
FWIW

Larry Eyler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After Eyler's death, his attorney gave the names of 17 people who were murdered by Eyler and 4 who were murdered by an unidentified accomplice. According to Eyler's defense attorney, Kathleen Zellner, the list was apparently made by Eyler around three years before his death, in order to obtain a plea bargain. The prosecutors did not agree to the plea bargain. Later, Eyler allowed his lawyer to release the list.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Eyler#cite_note-Chicago_Tribune_3-1)
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 08:42 PM
Very strange. Wasn't 911 called because Lisa was missing/kidnapped? Definitely would like to hear that call. "Burglary in Progress" sounds more like someone missed the 3 cell phones more so than the baby.

:waitasec:



Wow, In the beginning of the police chatter audio they released, it begins with a robbery in progress, I remember thinking why did they leave that part on, is that the call just prior to JI's call ? now I'm thinking differently, maybe this is a clue as to why LE wont release the whole call..:waitasec:
Patty G
10-14-2011, 08:43 PM
Mother fails the poly and the father refuses it...oh brother!

The father, according to him, wasn't asked to take a poly.
cachmo
10-14-2011, 08:43 PM
I saw the interview with that lawyer (that looks like Ms Akilitus from nurse jackie) and I was under the impression she just called the family...

I didn't hear it reported that she was retained or representing them?

I think she said the family called her. She stammered around it, but from she said she HAD NOT been retained
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:44 PM
Mother fails the poly and the father refuses it...oh brother!
now now whisperer - we don't know that for fact. As far as the LDT's go this is what has happened so far.

Mom, herself, said on camera that LE told her she failed. That's all we got - no specifics - just that she failed.

LE refused to comment at all concerning mom's LDT.

Dad said he offered and LE told him that it wasn't necessary (or along those lines). We assumed that meant that LE accepted and verified his alibi (he was at "werk").

It was shortly after that came out that LE said the parents weren't cooperating.

Then that was promptly squelched by the family saying they most certainly are cooperating.


I was just observing that it was from dad that we learned about any poly's for him and what he said. Le has said nothing about any poly on anyone period.
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 08:44 PM
added it to the map:http://g.co/maps/dr5sw

Thank you ! :woohoo:
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 08:45 PM
All I can say to NG @ this point is:

Keep yer day job, darlin', cuz the Ball ends @ midnight.
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:45 PM
I think she said the family called her. She stammered around it, but from she said she HAD NOT been retained


thats what i heard!! moo
panthera
10-14-2011, 08:45 PM
I saw the interview with that lawyer (that looks like Ms Akilitus from nurse jackie) and I was under the impression she just called the family...

I didn't hear it reported that she was retained or representing them?

After searching Google for "news" I haven't found any headlines of the parents actually retaining an attorney. Most news is about the PI, the reward, and quarry search.

:waitasec:
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:45 PM
LOL! You had that bolded, looks odd in this context. Kathleen Zellner was the name from NG last night.

I have a hard time getting on Zellner because she got Kevin Fox freed. It was a very good thing she did.

The circus remark was really more for Jim.
cachmo
10-14-2011, 08:48 PM
Do we know for sure if FBI was running at a search scene? That would seem somewhat importand or unusual to me...

She showed a video. I hope they found those phones
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:50 PM
JMHO the family hasn't retained an legal counsel. I say this becuase once ANY attorney is brought on board - that's it - no more talky to microphone - at all. If there was an attorney on board that PI PR PC (lol - figger that one out) would not have happened at all. No way would any attorney allow what we saw this afternoon. Nope - not buying.
GourmetSoy
10-14-2011, 08:50 PM
I have a hard time getting on Zellner because she got Kevin Fox freed. It was a very good thing she did.

The circus remark was really more for Jim.

Thanks for clarifying, I'm not familiar with Kevin Fox's case. Jim L, well yes. LOL!

ETA: add link for above case
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-04-07/news/ct-met-0408-riley-fox-verdict-appeal-20100407_1_riley-fox-foxes-attorney-kathleen-zellner

I have seen this lawyer several times before on TV.
luckyme
10-14-2011, 08:52 PM
:great:JMHO the family hasn't retained an legal counsel. I say this becuase once ANY attorney is brought on board - that's it - no more talky to microphone - at all. If there was an attorney on board that PI PR PC (lol - figger that one out) would not have happened at all. No way would any attorney allow what we saw this afternoon. Nope - not buying.

I want to know if wild bill and Ms zellner are someway connected!
Donjeta
10-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Reward flyer on NG is still saying $1,000.

hhhmmm..............

I would keep to that sum until it's verified that BS's money exists. JMO.
mysticrose
10-14-2011, 08:52 PM
..this case has verses of the Haleigh Cummings case. Father getting home @ 4;00am; new to night work, lights on. window/door open.

I know :(, when I saw this headline I almost wanted to vomit, because it reminded me of Haleighs case. I mean no disrespect to the cousin of Lisa of his heartfelt feelings for her:


Cousin: I'd give my life to get her back


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/Lisa-Irwin-AMBER-Alert#ixzz1ao6wvPuW
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 08:52 PM
JMHO the family hasn't retained an legal counsel. I say this becuase once ANY attorney is brought on board - that's it - no more talky to microphone - at all. If there was an attorney on board that PI PR PC (lol - figger that one out) would not have happened at all. No way would any attorney allow what we saw this afternoon. Nope - not buying.

Well, there hasn't been any talky to microphone, has there? There's word of them only being willing to talk to national media, but that hasn't happened for awhile either. Not that I'm aware of anyway. :waitasec:
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Thanks for clarifying, I'm not familiar with Kevin Fox's case. Jim L, well yes. LOL!

Cops got a false confession out of a murdered girls father and they knew it was false the whole time.

Here is the lawsuit filed against them.

https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1146566231
mysticrose
10-14-2011, 08:55 PM
Here is an article about the attorney, and it only says they spoke to her, not hired her:

Lisa's parents speak to attorney



CHICAGO - For the first time a Chicago-based attorney is speaking publicly about her involvement with Lisa Irwin’s parents.

Last week, Kathleen Zellner spoke to Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa's-parents-speak-to-attorney#ixzz1ao7oVAVc
yllek
10-14-2011, 08:56 PM
I'm shocked. I don't watch DWTS and I had taken a break from NG after a bad case of Anthony burn-out (and I don't care much about the Dr. Murray trial). Literally half this NG show was Dancing kaka. What the hay? Leave us hanging for a rumba Nancy?!

Who is the lawyer you say was retained by Lisa's family? What about the brown envelope you mentioned taken from the home? What was going down at the rock quarry?

Wild Bill should go on Dancing with the Stars. Maybe then he could garner a mention on NG!!!

C'mon Nancy. I know better, but still garnered a smidgeon of hope that you'd at least be looking into the mysterious "benefactor".
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 08:56 PM
Well, there hasn't been any talky to microphone, has there? There's word of them only being willing to talk to national media, but that hasn't happened for awhile either. Not that I'm aware of anyway. :waitasec:
I wasn't just referring to the parents but the new spokesperson / PI as well. I don't believe any attorney would have allowed him to talk like he did this afternoon - nope - not at all.

JMO - but I don't think there are any attorney's on board - just yet.
Dr.Fessel
10-14-2011, 08:57 PM
:great:

I want to know if wild bill and Ms zellner are someway connected! I have not heard of any connection yet. LOL
curiousc
10-14-2011, 08:58 PM
So when does DWTS end because this is getting ridiculous? :banghead:

As for the attorney, perhaps they are keeping it under wraps. The interesting thing is, the parents have made sure not to talk at all in the media for one week. Either they have an attorney or they have gotten advice from an attorney because they aint talkin'.
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 09:00 PM
I wasn't just referring to the parents but the new spokesperson / PI as well. I don't believe any attorney would have allowed him to talk like he did this afternoon - nope - not at all.

JMO - but I don't think there are any attorney's on board - just yet.

All an attorney could do to stop BS from talking would be to insist that the Irwin's not talk to HIM, since he wasn't hired by the Irwins. But, I see your point, and it's a good one.
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:00 PM
Omg! Dr drew has on conrad murray trial on!!
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 09:00 PM
The father, according to him, wasn't asked to take a poly.

....yeah..life according to Jeremy..
mysteriew
10-14-2011, 09:01 PM
JMHO the family hasn't retained an legal counsel. I say this becuase once ANY attorney is brought on board - that's it - no more talky to microphone - at all. If there was an attorney on board that PI PR PC (lol - figger that one out) would not have happened at all. No way would any attorney allow what we saw this afternoon. Nope - not buying.

As long as it is the spokesman saying it, there is deniability. Parents can always say bs was wrong. BS can always say he doesn't remember, he got confused, he didn't understand, etc. The "conversation" wasn't recorded remember?
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:02 PM
As long as it is the spokesman saying it, there is deniability. Parents can always say bs was wrong. BS can always say he doesn't remember, he got confused, he didn't understand, etc. The "conversation" wasn't recorded remember?

Plus Bs supposedly has a rich benefactor. Moo
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 09:03 PM
As long as it is the spokesman saying it, there is deniability. Parents can always say bs was wrong. BS can always say he doesn't remember, he got confused, he didn't understand, etc. The "conversation" wasn't recorded remember?

Right, but I do think an attorney would be insisting the Irwin's NOT talk to a PI unless the PI worked FOR the Irwin's or their attorney. JMO

ETA: I guess a famous attorney COULD be a wealthy benefactor, though, huh? ;)
Donjeta
10-14-2011, 09:04 PM
I thought they have two high powered attorneys in their team. Is that not correct?
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Family Investigative team
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:04 PM
OT Sorry but i think conrad murray might be making a deal! Stuff going on at court house. with attorneys and judge. JMO:twocents:
BetteDavisEyes
10-14-2011, 09:09 PM
Good Peeps,
Puhleeeze don't begrudge NG's appearance on DWTS or her wanting to promote it. She is contributing her earnings on the show for Missing and Exploited Children. Those of us who follow these cases should be happy to have an advocate for the cause. jmo
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 09:12 PM
I have to admit..I am a DWTS fanatic.
sorrell skye
10-14-2011, 09:15 PM
Good Peeps,
Puhleeeze don't begrudge NG's appearance on DWTS or her wanting to promote it. She is contributing her earnings on the show for Missing and Exploited Children. Those of us who follow these cases should be happy to have an advocate for the cause. jmo

If Nancy wants to dance - then fine, she should dance with abandon & call it a vacation.

IMO, if she's dancing for missing & exploited children, then she should devote her show to missing & exploited children, and not spend the majority of the time talking about her crush on her dance partner and/or talking about her dance moves. MOO

ETA: If she's going to advocate, then she should advocate.

If she's going to dance, then she should dance.

She spent a major portion of this episode talking about her upcoming rumba - can someone please tell me how that is benefiting missing & exploited children?
yllek
10-14-2011, 09:17 PM
Good Peeps,
Puhleeeze don't begrudge NG's appearance on DWTS or her wanting to promote it. She is contributing her earnings on the show for Missing and Exploited Children. Those of us who follow these cases should be happy to have an advocate for the cause. jmo

Thanks Bette! I don't watch the Dancing show and didn't know about her earning donations to Missing and Exploited Children. I have always been glad that she is on the Dancing show because I figured that meant she'd get a whole new set of viewers interested in the NG show and possibly advocating for victims.

Tonight, I wanted someone in the media to focus only on Sweet Lisa - no sideshows. I was probably selfish and too hard on Nancy.
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 09:19 PM
Someone earlier posted a link to a report of a stolen car on 10/5.

I checked out the link and then some. I found this:

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836262-3626e2861f932964be410d3f5b8d137d



I originally found it interesting because it was the same day Lisa went missing - but now - after NG - this is the call.

Why is this "kidnapping / missing child" case reported as a burglary? And - take it even further - why was it said on NG tonight that it was a burglary IN PROGRESS?

And no release of the 911 call - at all.

Did dad call 911 immediately from the driveway? Before going in - noticed the open window and screen and just checked the front door - unlocked - so he retreats back to his truck to call 911?

This burglary in progress is very very bizarre.
Whisperer
10-14-2011, 09:22 PM
I find it very odd that LE wouldn't offer Jeremy a LDT. Jeremy should be asking for one if they didn't offer.

Where did the parents move? It was said they no longer want to live at the house. Have the reasons been told?
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 09:24 PM
Someone earlier posted a link to a report of a stolen car on 10/5.

I checked out the link and then some. I found this:

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836262-3626e2861f932964be410d3f5b8d137d



I originally found it interesting because it was the same day Lisa went missing - but now - after NG - this is the call.

Why is this "kidnapping / missing child" case reported as a burglary? And - take it even further - why was it said on NG tonight that it was a burglary IN PROGRESS?

And no release of the 911 call - at all.

Did dad call 911 immediately from the driveway? Before going in - noticed the open window and screen and just checked the front door - unlocked - so he retreats back to his truck to call 911?

This burglary in progress is very very bizarre.

It's possible, I suppose, that in all the confusion, wires got crossed between the person calling and the people responding.

Definitely odd, though.:waitasec:
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:24 PM
OT Sorry but i think conrad murray might be making a deal! Stuff going on at court house. with attorneys and judge. JMO:twocents:

sorry no deal. death in a witness family. trial will resume Tuesday.:seeya:
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 09:26 PM
I find it very odd that LE wouldn't offer Jeremy a LDT. Jeremy should be asking for one if they didn't offer.

Where did the parents move? It was said they no longer want to live at the house. Have the reasons been told?

Parents moved in with family a short distance away from their home. No reason has been given, only that Debra said she wouldn't live in the home anymore..
BetteDavisEyes
10-14-2011, 09:27 PM
I find it very odd that LE wouldn't offer Jeremy a LDT. Jeremy should be asking for one if they didn't offer.

Where did the parents move? It was said they no longer want to live at the house. Have the reasons been told?

The family (Jeremy, Deborah, and the two boys) are reportedly staying with relatives that live a couple of miles away from the Irwin home on Lister.
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 09:27 PM
Kat - I'll give ya the crossed wires about the burglary - its the IN PROGRESS that screams at me.

IN PROGRESS means that there is a high probability that the perp is still on scene. Very high caution is taken by LE when there is a IN PROGRESS situation.

And, there is usually a witness / reporter that tells dispatch that the perp may still be around - hence the "in progress" call.

That, along with not releasing the 911 call are key to what we don't know.
panthera
10-14-2011, 09:28 PM
Someone earlier posted a link to a report of a stolen car on 10/5.

I checked out the link and then some. I found this:

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836262-3626e2861f932964be410d3f5b8d137d



I originally found it interesting because it was the same day Lisa went missing - but now - after NG - this is the call.

Why is this "kidnapping / missing child" case reported as a burglary? And - take it even further - why was it said on NG tonight that it was a burglary IN PROGRESS?

And no release of the 911 call - at all.

Did dad call 911 immediately from the driveway? Before going in - noticed the open window and screen and just checked the front door - unlocked - so he retreats back to his truck to call 911?

This burglary in progress is very very bizarre.
JI has never stated, to my knowledge, calling 911 prior to finding Lisa missing. However I cannot understand how a dispatcher could mistake a report of a child, possibly abducted, as a burglary in progress unless more focus was made on the missing cell phones. Or, just a thought, could another call have come in earlier from someone seeing a person trying to get in through the window, turning the lights on, etc.?
panthera
10-14-2011, 09:30 PM
Kat - I'll give ya the crossed wires about the burglary - its the IN PROGRESS that screams at me.

IN PROGRESS means that there is a high probability that the perp is still on scene. Very high caution is taken by LE when there is a IN PROGRESS situation.

And, there is usually a witness / reporter that tells dispatch that the perp may still be around - hence the "in progress" call.

That, along with not releasing the 911 call are key to what we don't know.

Absolutely true. In addition, in many jurisdictions, LE will not respond promptly if the call isn't "in progress", i.e. the perpetrator has already left.

MOO
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:32 PM
Kat - I'll give ya the crossed wires about the burglary - its the IN PROGRESS that screams at me.

IN PROGRESS means that there is a high probability that the perp is still on scene. Very high caution is taken by LE when there is a IN PROGRESS situation.

And, there is usually a witness / reporter that tells dispatch that the perp may still be around - hence the "in progress" call.

That, along with not releasing the 911 call are key to what we don't know.

JI has never stated, to my knowledge, calling 911 prior to finding Lisa missing. However I cannot understand how a dispatcher could mistake a report of a child, possibly abducted, as a burglary in progress unless more focus was made on the missing cell phones. Or, just a thought, could another call have come in earlier from someone seeing a person trying to get in through the window, turning the lights on, etc.?

If that was the case i think that police wouldnt be focused on mother. moo
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 09:33 PM
More than ever - now I really want that 911 call released.

What did dad say on that call? What was really going on?

***oh to be a fly on the wall****
luckyme
10-14-2011, 09:36 PM
More than ever - now I really want that 911 call released.

What did dad say on that call? What was really going on?

***oh to be a fly on the wall****

Somethings not right for sure. :waitasec::waitasec: moo
BetteDavisEyes
10-14-2011, 09:36 PM
I find it very odd that LE wouldn't offer Jeremy a LDT. Jeremy should be asking for one if they didn't offer.

Where did the parents move? It was said they no longer want to live at the house. Have the reasons been told?

I suggested on another thread a few days ago that Jeremy Irwin did some fancy dancing around the question about whether or not he had or would take a polygraph and was admonished for my comment. I'm still perplexed about why Mr. Irwin has not consented to a polygraph :waitasec:
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Kat - I'll give ya the crossed wires about the burglary - its the IN PROGRESS that screams at me.

IN PROGRESS means that there is a high probability that the perp is still on scene. Very high caution is taken by LE when there is a IN PROGRESS situation.

And, there is usually a witness / reporter that tells dispatch that the perp may still be around - hence the "in progress" call.

That, along with not releasing the 911 call are key to what we don't know.

No argument from me, WOO. I always thought the "burglary in progress" thing was strange. How a kidnapping gets sent down the line as a "burglary IN PROGRESS" is a complete mystery to me. I could guess, but without hearing the 911 call, it's pointless to speculate.
panthera
10-14-2011, 09:37 PM
More than ever - now I really want that 911 call released.

What did dad say on that call? What was really going on?

***oh to be a fly on the wall****

Just found this -

Responding officers told of theft complaint involving baby Lisa's father

"The Police Department rejected KCTV5's request to obtain a transcript or copy of the 911 call that Irwin made. The department's legal counsel said the Missouri Sunshine Law allows 911 calls to be exempted from public disclosure.

However, the dispatch calls are public. The initial dispatcher tells officers to go to "reported residential burglary in progress 3620 North Lister."

The dispatcher then matter-of-factly tells the officers to contact Irwin.

"He noticed his screen was busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn't witness anything and didn't know how long she's been going," the dispatcher says.

Another officer asks for more details. The dispatcher repeats the information.

"The address is 3620 North Lister and the call notes are that he noticed that his 10-month-old daughter is missing and he's not sure how long she's been gone. And the screen is busted and he didn't witness anything," the dispatcher says."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15699795/first-responding-officers-told-of-theft-complaint-involving-babys-father
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 09:42 PM
Just found this -

Responding officers told of theft complaint involving baby Lisa's father

"The Police Department rejected KCTV5's request to obtain a transcript or copy of the 911 call that Irwin made. The department's legal counsel said the Missouri Sunshine Law allows 911 calls to be exempted from public disclosure.

However, the dispatch calls are public. The initial dispatcher tells officers to go to "reported residential burglary in progress 3620 North Lister."

The dispatcher then matter-of-factly tells the officers to contact Irwin.

"He noticed his screen was busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn't witness anything and didn't know how long she's been going," the dispatcher says.

Another officer asks for more details. The dispatcher repeats the information.

"The address is 3620 North Lister and the call notes are that he noticed that his 10-month-old daughter is missing and he's not sure how long she's been gone. And the screen is busted and he didn't witness anything," the dispatcher says."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15699795/first-responding-officers-told-of-theft-complaint-involving-babys-father
ty ty ty - and SEE!!!

First, I'm really surprised that LE's attny won't release that call. There is something on there - I'm tellin' ya'll right now.

Then - burglary in progress - but the rest of that doesn't say anything about dad saying words to the effect that the perp(s) were still there - in progress.

Just so bizarre.................
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 09:43 PM
Just found this -

Responding officers told of theft complaint involving baby Lisa's father

"The Police Department rejected KCTV5's request to obtain a transcript or copy of the 911 call that Irwin made. The department's legal counsel said the Missouri Sunshine Law allows 911 calls to be exempted from public disclosure.

However, the dispatch calls are public. The initial dispatcher tells officers to go to "reported residential burglary in progress 3620 North Lister."

The dispatcher then matter-of-factly tells the officers to contact Irwin.

"He noticed his screen was busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn't witness anything and didn't know how long she's been going," the dispatcher says.

Another officer asks for more details. The dispatcher repeats the information.

"The address is 3620 North Lister and the call notes are that he noticed that his 10-month-old daughter is missing and he's not sure how long she's been gone. And the screen is busted and he didn't witness anything," the dispatcher says."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15699795/first-responding-officers-told-of-theft-complaint-involving-babys-father

So it's a residential burglary IN PROGRESS because a screen is busted? But it's not a kidnapping? :waitasec:
wfgodot
10-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Keep in mind that if the officer said the word "kidnapping," TV stations would have been rolling down the street within minutes.
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 09:44 PM
JI has never stated, to my knowledge, calling 911 prior to finding Lisa missing. However I cannot understand how a dispatcher could mistake a report of a child, possibly abducted, as a burglary in progress unless more focus was made on the missing cell phones. Or, just a thought, could another call have come in earlier from someone seeing a person trying to get in through the window, turning the lights on, etc.?

Listen to the dispatch tape hear says "Report of a residential burglary in progress, 3620 N. Lister, contact Jeremy, code 1

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29471219/detail.html#ixzz1af7BjCVH
Pacific2011
10-14-2011, 09:48 PM
Absolutely true. In addition, in many jurisdictions, LE will not respond promptly if the call isn't "in progress", i.e. the perpetrator has already left. MOO

That is a good point!
Wise Old Owl
10-14-2011, 09:49 PM
Dad had to have said something about "someone may still be in the house" or "I don't know is someone is still in the house" or words to that effect for the dispatcher to code it as an "in progress" call.

The rest of that article doesn't say anything about that. It just repeats what the dispatcher says and that dad didn't "witness" anything. So, if dad didn't witness anything how could it still be in progress?

I'm going back to my ole sayin'


It ain't fittin', it ain't fittin' , it just ain't fittin'


it ain't fittin'.
GourmetSoy
10-14-2011, 09:52 PM
I posted this over on the police dispatch tape thread, maybe we should discuss it there?
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 09:52 PM
Can somebody get a screencap of the quarry search. I really want to see something. No cable here. PLEASE! I need to verify something.
panthera
10-14-2011, 09:56 PM
That is a good point!

Personal experience. Family member returned home at night, found part of her house had been ransacked, and was afraid to go into other (dark) rooms for fear the perp may still be inside. 911 operator redirected call to the non-emergency line.

(Apologies for O/T; stated only to use as an example of why "in progress" could have been used).
rosetattoo
10-14-2011, 09:59 PM
I don't think it's that strange that they said burglary in progress. I think the fact that the residence was broken into makes it burglary. The 911 operator might have asked JI if the person is still there and he said "I don't know."
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 10:01 PM
Can somebody get a screencap of the quarry search. I really want to see something. No cable here. PLEASE! I need to verify something.

I'm looking, Middle...but not seeing anything. :(
frankie069
10-14-2011, 10:07 PM
That is a good point!

Yes but they would respond promptly just on a call saying their 10 month old was kidnapped. LE wouldnt play around with that one.
yllek
10-14-2011, 10:08 PM
I don't think it's that strange that they said burglary in progress. I think the fact that the residence was broken into makes it burglary. The 911 operator might have asked JI if the person is still there and he said "I don't know."

Except the story from the parents now is that Jeremy saw the lights on, walked through an unlocked door, shut the computer room window, woke up mom, they noticed Lisa was gone, they noticed all cell phones were gone, and then they called 911. Nothing in the story that we've heard so far from the parents indicates that a call was made before Jeremy had gone through the house (seeing no one there but his family minus Lisa). It's odd.

Note: Maybe he was trying to call home earlier, got worried, came home ahead of time and saw lights on when they never had been before at that time; possibly called a potential burglary in process from the car? Then went inside and discovered not a burglarly but an abduction?
Jayarre
10-14-2011, 10:18 PM
Can somebody get a screencap of the quarry search. I really want to see something. No cable here. PLEASE! I need to verify something.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1am4FI2ON

scroll down and a picture of FBI on search
Boytwnmom
10-14-2011, 10:22 PM
in the NY capital district area. His father was a respected DA and Federal Judge and his sister is a local Family Court Judge. Greg also ran for DA in Renssalaer County and lost in 2007. I'd be surprised if it was him as I'm not aware of him taking cases outside the area.


He appears to be out of New York.
http://www.cholakislaw.com/
Peepers
10-14-2011, 10:22 PM
wasnt there a delay of about 34 minutes from the time JI got home and the time he called 911. His first version is that they ran around looking for the baby after he discovered the window and lights etc, so if he is now sounding like he called right in the beginning before he knew there was no one still in the house, that would be incorrect.
there is something off about this whole 911 call situation.
Peepers
10-14-2011, 10:24 PM
31 days
34 minutes
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 10:32 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1am4FI2ON

scroll down and a picture of FBI on search
Still not seeing rock quarry. Only neighborhood. Can you guide me?
jjenny
10-14-2011, 10:35 PM
...
Note: Maybe he was trying to call home earlier, got worried, came home ahead of time and saw lights on when they never had been before at that time; possibly called a potential burglary in process from the car? Then went inside and discovered not a burglarly but an abduction?

That's not the story the parents have been telling. Not at all.
Boytwnmom
10-14-2011, 10:39 PM
in regard to what records have to be made publicly available. I too, thought ti was strange not to release the 911 call as in most places they are considered public records but apparently in Missouri, no, they are exempt from disclosure. But incident reports are to be made public. So, the non-release is not in any way significant here.


610.150. “911” telephone reports inaccessible, exceptions.
Except as provided by this section, any information acquired by a law enforcement agency by way of a complaint or report of a crime made by telephone contact using the emergency number, “911”, shall be inaccessible to the general public. However, information consisting of the date, time, specific location and immediate facts and circumstances surrounding the initial report of the crime or incident shall be considered to be an incident report and subject to section 610.100. Any closed records pursuant to this section shall be available upon request by law enforcement agencies or the division of workers' compensation or pursuant to a valid court order authorizing disclosure upon motion and good cause shown.



Kat - I'll give ya the crossed wires about the burglary - its the IN PROGRESS that screams at me.

IN PROGRESS means that there is a high probability that the perp is still on scene. Very high caution is taken by LE when there is a IN PROGRESS situation.

And, there is usually a witness / reporter that tells dispatch that the perp may still be around - hence the "in progress" call.

That, along with not releasing the 911 call are key to what we don't know.
jjenny
10-14-2011, 10:42 PM
I don't think it's that strange that they said burglary in progress. I think the fact that the residence was broken into makes it burglary. The 911 operator might have asked JI if the person is still there and he said "I don't know."

JI claims he went looked at the boys then the parents (either one or both of them, I am still not clear from their story) looked for Lisa before calling 911. Why would the father think the perp could still be in the house?
CKSWarriorQueen
10-14-2011, 10:43 PM
Still not seeing rock quarry. Only neighborhood. Can you guide me?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old?Page=12

Hi In da Middle-- they are the pix in between 3:24PM and 3:47PM. HTH. ALWAYS enjoy your posts. :)
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 10:50 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old?Page=12

Hi In da Middle-- they are the pix in between 3:24PM and 3:47PM. HTH. ALWAYS enjoy your posts. :)
Those are yesterdays search at 210 & N Brighton. . Not a rock quarry - dirt pit
lag28wa
10-14-2011, 10:54 PM
I haven't seen any pictures of the quarry search. Bizarre, hopefully someone got some screencaps from the live feed?

What about if you look at the quarry on NurseBeeMe's google map and then go to street view, would that help?
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 10:55 PM
So now my next question, did NG say rock quarry? and the images you gave me, are they the same area NG was posting?
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 10:57 PM
I haven't seen any pictures of the quarry search. Bizarre, hopefully someone got some screencaps from the live feed?

What about if you look at the quarry on NurseBeeMe's google map and then go to street view, would that help?
No, that doesnt answer it. thanks though.
uvamerica
10-14-2011, 10:57 PM
Those are yesterdays search at 210 & N Brighton. . Not a rock quarry - dirt pit

There is a pic on pg 3 that looks very much like an aerial view of the quarry, sorry if its incorrect.
lag28wa
10-14-2011, 11:07 PM
There is a pic on pg 3 that looks very much like an aerial view of the quarry, sorry if its incorrect.

I think that photo you're referencing might just be the wooded area. I know on the google map the quarry looks very different, there is lots of the rock breaking gravel making equipment etc.

Strange there are no quarry pictures yet.

I didn't see Nancy Grace myself just saw her tweets where she did use the words "rock quarry" near Lisa's home.
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 11:09 PM
There is a pic on pg 3 that looks very much like an aerial view of the quarry, sorry if its incorrect.
No reason to be sorry. My question is because I am wondering if NG said rock quarry when it is not a rock quarry. Did she get her facts wrong again?? And it might make Nurse mad to have her map wrong!
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 11:12 PM
Middle...by tomorrow someone will have put tonight's episode of NG on youtube. I'll pm you a link when it comes up, if you like.

I'm looking at the rock quarry on google earth, though, and it's definitely a rock quarry.
Nana46
10-14-2011, 11:12 PM
No reason to be sorry. My question is because I am wondering if NG said rock quarry when it is not a rock quarry. Did she get her facts wrong again?? And it might make Nurse mad to have her map wrong!

Once again thanks In da Middle for all you do...especially for 'keeping them honest' I think the saying goes.
I really appreciate all the time and effort and caring you put into this case for this precious missing child.
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 11:32 PM
I think I am convinced now that NG got her facts wrong again and was showing yesterday's footage of the search at 210 and N Brighton at the dirt pit. The media is proving my point once again.
In da Middle
10-14-2011, 11:40 PM
Middle...by tomorrow someone will have put tonight's episode of NG on youtube. I'll pm you a link when it comes up, if you like.

I'm looking at the rock quarry on google earth, though, and it's definitely a rock quarry.
yes the one at 435 and 210 is definitely a rock quarry.
yllek
10-14-2011, 11:41 PM
That's not the story the parents have been telling. Not at all.

You're right jjeny. The story they are telling is the first part of my post. :)

What I was speculating in the portion of my post you commented upon was a possible reason why this was initially classified as a "burglary in progess"; something that perhaps the parents weren't telling to the media (because LE asked them no to or because they are lying). At this point, I think it could just as easily be some mistake in understanding between the police and Jeremy. Would love to hear those 911 tapes!!
Mountain_Kat
10-14-2011, 11:43 PM
I think I am convinced now that NG got her facts wrong again and was showing yesterday's footage of the search at 210 and N Brighton at the dirt pit. The media is proving my point once again.

Okay, that's originally where I thought the search was...the dirt pit/wooded area. Then they went around the other side of it to NE 36th ST. But people kept saying "rock quarry", and that's further down Armour, so I just figured my map was wrong. :waitasec:
justamommy
10-14-2011, 11:57 PM
Just found this -

Responding officers told of theft complaint involving baby Lisa's father

"The Police Department rejected KCTV5's request to obtain a transcript or copy of the 911 call that Irwin made. The department's legal counsel said the Missouri Sunshine Law allows 911 calls to be exempted from public disclosure.

However, the dispatch calls are public. The initial dispatcher tells officers to go to "reported residential burglary in progress 3620 North Lister."

The dispatcher then matter-of-factly tells the officers to contact Irwin.

"He noticed his screen was busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn't witness anything and didn't know how long she's been going," the dispatcher says.

Another officer asks for more details. The dispatcher repeats the information.

"The address is 3620 North Lister and the call notes are that he noticed that his 10-month-old daughter is missing and he's not sure how long she's been gone. And the screen is busted and he didn't witness anything," the dispatcher says."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15699795/first-responding-officers-told-of-theft-complaint-involving-babys-father

Maybe they called it "in progress" because they didn't know when it had happened. Maybe this was so the LE would use caution when approaching, maybe different procedures. Just a thought.
tlcya
10-15-2011, 12:00 AM
regarding theft complaint involving JI, we have been discussing this in the car break in thread as it seems it may relate to that.

ETA link http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151238&page=4
cluciano63
10-15-2011, 12:00 AM
I would be SHOCKED if NG actually had an exclusive and this alleged search at the rock quarry was first reported by her show...
In da Middle
10-15-2011, 12:31 AM
I would be SHOCKED if NG actually had an exclusive and this alleged search at the rock quarry was first reported by her show...
If this is the footage she was talking about then she needs to learn the difference between rocks and dirt. Nary a rock to be found in this dirt pit. And yes I do know that for a fact as we have taken 4 wheelers there and also let the dogs run there. Kinda need rocks to have a rock quarry I think.
Donjeta
10-15-2011, 02:35 AM
Except the story from the parents now is that Jeremy saw the lights on, walked through an unlocked door, shut the computer room window, woke up mom, they noticed Lisa was gone, they noticed all cell phones were gone, and then they called 911. Nothing in the story that we've heard so far from the parents indicates that a call was made before Jeremy had gone through the house (seeing no one there but his family minus Lisa). It's odd.

Note: Maybe he was trying to call home earlier, got worried, came home ahead of time and saw lights on when they never had been before at that time; possibly called a potential burglary in process from the car? Then went inside and discovered not a burglarly but an abduction?

He might have but why didn't he say so?

I think the looking for phones makes less sense in that scenario. If he had already called 911 from his work phone it would have been natural for him to use the same line to make a follow up call.
katydid23
10-15-2011, 02:49 AM
Maybe they called it "in progress" because they didn't know when it had happened. Maybe this was so the LE would use caution when approaching, maybe different procedures. Just a thought.

I agree. I think if it is POSSIBLE that a perp is still in the immediate area the cops are given a heads up that it might still be in progress. safer for everyone that way,imo.
TxLady2
10-15-2011, 09:45 AM
Dad had to have said something about "someone may still be in the house" or "I don't know is someone is still in the house" or words to that effect for the dispatcher to code it as an "in progress" call.

The rest of that article doesn't say anything about that. It just repeats what the dispatcher says and that dad didn't "witness" anything. So, if dad didn't witness anything how could it still be in progress?

I'm going back to my ole sayin'


It ain't fittin', it ain't fittin' , it just ain't fittin'


it ain't fittin'.

I don't see anything odd about coding it "still in progress." The dispatcher isn't on the scene and can't know for certain that the intruder/abductor is not still in the vicinity. Keep in mind it was the dispatcher who coded it... not Dad.
natsound
10-15-2011, 10:50 AM
I don't think it's that strange that they said burglary in progress. I think the fact that the residence was broken into makes it burglary. The 911 operator might have asked JI if the person is still there and he said "I don't know."

I agree, and from what I know, once the dispatcher gets the call, she needs to dispatch immediately. JI might have said something like "someone broke into my house", and then immediately the dispatcher called it a "burglary in progress" before she got more information.

This occurrence doesn't register on my hinky meter.
josh816
10-16-2011, 02:34 AM
I agree, and from what I know, once the dispatcher gets the call, she needs to dispatch immediately. JI might have said something like "someone broke into my house", and then immediately the dispatcher called it a "burglary in progress" before she got more information.

This occurrence doesn't register on my hinky meter.

One thing to keep in mind, KCPD has call takers and dispatchers. The call taker gets the information from the 911 caller then keys it in to the computer. The dispatcher then puts it out to the officers over the air. So the person doing the dispatching is only relaying what the call taker keyed in. So plenty of room to have confusion between the 911 caller, the call taker, and then the dispatcher.
cluciano63
10-16-2011, 02:43 AM
Thank goodness NG didn't have a live show going on tonight during all of the excitement...I can only imagine how she would have mangled the news coming out of there...
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