View Full Version : anne bremner/family finally receive evidence from SDSO
lauriej
11-01-2011, 04:31 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15919335/infamous-coronado-mansion-sold
On Monday, a Sheriff's spokesperson confirmed that all evidence from the department's death investigation has been released to Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner. The Seattle-based attorney could not be reached for comment Monday evening.
Bremner's co-counsel confirmed the Seattle office has received hundreds of pages of witness statements and police reports, as well as transcripts and audio recordings.
The records are being scanned and reviewed in advance of a news conference planned later this week in Seattle.
-------finally!
Mrs. Holmes
11-01-2011, 12:04 PM
Progress. Did anyone notice that family photo in this CBS story. At first glance it looks like everyone in the photo is pointing at JS. Kind of weird and subliminal. I wonder where that photo came from. I have never seen it before.
4Jacy
11-01-2011, 01:33 PM
Progress. Did anyone notice that family photo in this CBS story. At first glance it looks like everyone in the photo is pointing at JS. Kind of weird and subliminal. I wonder where that photo came from. I have never seen it before.
I remember that. I think it came from his bar mitzah (sp) and that's why they are pointing.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15919335/infamous-coronado-mansion-sold
On Monday, a Sheriff's spokesperson confirmed that all evidence from the department's death investigation has been released to Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner. The Seattle-based attorney could not be reached for comment Monday evening.
Bremner's co-counsel confirmed the Seattle office has received hundreds of pages of witness statements and police reports, as well as transcripts and audio recordings.
The records are being scanned and reviewed in advance of a news conference planned later this week in Seattle.
-------finally!
Yes! About time LE handed over the files to Atty. Bremner. Curious if LE finally did so because of Atty. Bremner's mandamus action and a judge ordered LE to comply, or it was the fear of a fall-out of negative publicity from second autopsy and Dr. Phil show...
Never underestimate the power of the media or the judge's gavel.
Rhyme & Reason
11-02-2011, 10:33 AM
Just wow..
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/02/rebecca-zahau-case-bremner-receives-files-romano-at-mansion/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHinkyMeter+%28The+Hinky+Me ter%29
Just wow..
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/02/rebecca-zahau-case-bremner-receives-files-romano-at-mansion/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHinkyMeter+%28The+Hinky+Me ter%29
I wonder if Nina owns a gun? Did they check.
Rhyme & Reason
11-02-2011, 11:40 AM
I don't know time, but it sure doesn't sound like they checked out much of anything.
I don't know time, but it sure doesn't sound like they checked out much of anything.
Exactly!
I have always been interested in two concepts related to this case..1. someone forced Rebecca to tie herself up using a weapon, and, 2. it was a murder for hire intentionally set-up too not look like a hit/staged.
In any case, the phone records of everyone close and if anyone owned a gun would be pertinent. But since they did almost no digging in the first place, they would have no leads and no cause for those search warrants.
We don't even know if they actually ever knew where Jonah was, let alone everyone closely related to him and Dina. Surely the police knew early on about the false suspicions about Max being suffocated and the problems between Dina and Rebecca.
Rhyme & Reason
11-02-2011, 09:28 PM
I'm eager to hear what they have to say at this upcoming PC.
defense101
11-02-2011, 10:53 PM
I hope this blows this whole investigation so wide open it won't just be considered the case that the family coudn't accept suicide concept. When we saw that search warrants for the phones didn't come through until the end of August, we all knew even without the police files that this was just a cursory investigation. I'm stumbling over my words, I didn't realize how angry I still am. Did the police not realize that this would be looked into further, they missed mentioning alot in press conference didn't they. The sheriff's office didn't have a problem mentioning that Nina had left a voicemail saying I want to come over but didn't see the need to report that she had been witnessed by someone at the front door of the mansion? Hmm no wonder it took them so long to turn the files over. I would say once they knew that Rebecca had been exhumed this was not going to go away for them and only then did they turn the file over.
IMO of course
Cortne
11-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Whoa!! Wow.
I believed the suicide theory for the longest. Until it came out nobody was where they said they were that night. How on earth did SDSO think this would stay under the rug?
RIP Rebecca and Max.
jjenny
11-02-2011, 11:18 PM
I sure had a feeling there is a lot of interesting information in those reports. Can't wait to see more coming out.
jjenny
11-02-2011, 11:46 PM
The twin sister of DS admits going by the mansion that night. Claims nobody opened the door so she left.
""I VOLUNTARILY told the detectives that I went by the mansion for a few minutes the night before at 10 p.m. but no one answered the door," Romano explained."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15941030/max-shacknais-aunt-at-mansion-hours-before-zahaus-death
Cortne
11-02-2011, 11:48 PM
The twin sister of DS admits going by the mansion that night. Claims nobody opened the door so she left.
""I VOLUNTARILY told the detectives that I went by the mansion for a few minutes the night before at 10 p.m. but no one answered the door," Romano explained."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15941030/max-shacknais-aunt-at-mansion-hours-before-zahaus-death
Yah riiight
:waitasec:
defense101
11-03-2011, 12:41 AM
The twin sister of DS admits going by the mansion that night. Claims nobody opened the door so she left.
""I VOLUNTARILY told the detectives that I went by the mansion for a few minutes the night before at 10 p.m. but no one answered the door," Romano explained."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15941030/max-shacknais-aunt-at-mansion-hours-before-zahaus-deathNow she says that, she better hope that VOLUNTARILY told police she went over there shows in the files, because this is what she said about the cell phone voice mail and at that time never mentioned that she went over there
"Nina told News 8 in San Diego about the text message she sent to Rebecca, several hours before her death: "I just wanted to talk to her about the accident," Romano said. "And so I sent her a text message that said, ‘Hey are you around? I'd like to come by,' and I never heard from her. She never responded to me."
lauriej
11-03-2011, 04:11 AM
-------------and money talk$.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056627/Rebecca-Zahau-death-Lawyer-Jonah-Shacknai-mansion-hanging-case-plans-book.html
Lawyer in Shacknai mansion hanging case plans book on tragic Rebecca Zahau's death
Ann Rule says that she spoke with Atty. Bremner about the possibility of authoring a book about the Zahau family but that "The probability of writing a book about the Zahaus, however, is about '50/50 -– if charges were brought.
It's a difficult thing because the little boy's father is very, very wealthy so for legal reasons it's kind of a mine field."
Melanie
11-03-2011, 04:31 AM
Witnesses saw Nina Romano at the mansion door the night Rebecca died.
THUD!
lauriej
11-03-2011, 04:54 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news ... on-mystery (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news-8-reenacts-the-coronado-mansion-mystery)
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Exclusive: News 8 reenacts the Coronado mansion mystery
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15940480/mans ... -questions (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15940480/mansion-mystery-news-8-reenactment-reveals-new-questions)
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Mansion mystery: News 8 reenactment reveals new questions
--------SDSO response to reenactment---
News 8 informed the sheriff's department about our results. A spokesperson issued a statement saying:
Your test was invalidated from the beginning. Even if you had the exact bed frame, you don't know the exact mattress (and weight). You don't know what was on the mattress (if anything), and you don't have the same carpet, padding, and indentations made by this particular piece of furniture.
You cannot simulate the exact conditions of that particular night, and you don't know precisely how Rebecca went over the railing. While this suicide is unusual, it is not unprecedented and it would be an enigmatic homicide.
( cry cry cry....)
Cortne
11-03-2011, 07:24 AM
Witnesses saw Nina Romano at the mansion door the night Rebecca died.
THUD! Late night text. Late night visit ( no answer ;) ). Late night witnesses.
She places herself at the scene.
Im sure she was pissed. I know I would be, esp if hospital personal said my nephew had been suffocated. Oh yeah Id be on death row. Just saying.
And no Im not saying it was justified.
Sure hope the money quits talking.
sorrell skye
11-03-2011, 07:34 AM
First, only three people were processed and fingerprinted; Adam Shacknai, the brother of Zahau’s millionare boyfriend Jonah and the man who found her dead, Zahau’s 13-year-old sister, and Nina Romano, the twin sister of Jonah Shacknai’s ex-wife.
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-zahau-attorney-releases-first-details-of-police-report-20111101,0,526310.story
So let's see: AS & NR were fingerprinted (but not JS, even though his whereabouts on the night in question were not verified).
Yet, the black gloves weren't processed, according to the article, nor were the clumps of hair.
Oh - and remember, the SDCSD would have RZ's family & the public believe that no one's fingerprints or DNA besides Rebecca's were found in the guest bedroom because "science doesn't lie" or some such nonsense.
Science? What science?
Cortne
11-03-2011, 07:41 AM
Wasnt the 13 yr old already out of state? Sooo they bring her back or go to her for prints? Unreal if that is true.
Good god I always wished I was loaded. Tongue cheek and all that.
SuziQ
11-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Wow. This is crazy. I'm glad Rebecca's family didn't just accept what they were told.
stilettos
11-03-2011, 08:52 AM
The twin sister of DS admits going by the mansion that night. Claims nobody opened the door so she left.
""I VOLUNTARILY told the detectives that I went by the mansion for a few minutes the night before at 10 p.m. but no one answered the door," Romano explained."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15941030/max-shacknais-aunt-at-mansion-hours-before-zahaus-death
Bull chit. MOO
jjenny
11-03-2011, 10:27 AM
Wasnt the 13 yr old already out of state? Sooo they bring her back or go to her for prints? Unreal if that is true.
Good god I always wished I was loaded. Tongue cheek and all that.
And why fingerprint 13 year old who wasn't there during the so-called suicide and thus clearly couldn't have been involved? It would make sense to do it for the purpose of eliminating fingerprints, but if police were trying to eliminate fingerprints, shouldn't they have started with JS's and his teenage offspring(s)?
The twin sister of DS admits going by the mansion that night. Claims nobody opened the door so she left.
""I VOLUNTARILY told the detectives that I went by the mansion for a few minutes the night before at 10 p.m. but no one answered the door," Romano explained."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15941030/max-shacknais-aunt-at-mansion-hours-before-zahaus-death
Hmmm.... so Nina also claims the 10:41 pm message was really at 9:41 pm. Possible, isn't 9:41 pm still after Rebecca's last call to her sister? Where was Nina when she called - the hospital? It is about 15-20 minutes away. So, she claims she doesn't get an answer from Rebecca, but invades her privacy and stops by the house late at night anyway?
Scenario 2 would be that she stopped by the house around 10 unexpected and then called afterwards and left a text?
Scenario 3, I guess would be that 10 pm is not exactly the time she stopped by.
Wonder exactly what time witnesses claimed they saw Nina? (the video is choppy for me - it sounds like they say between 10 and 11 pm)
In such a horrendous death, they should have checked the cell phone towers (or whatever) and pinned down the time and location.
The text to Rebecca, as others said earlier, could have been to locate her in the house.
I'd still like to know who else was staying at Dina's house also since it's only a few blocks away.
Hmmm.... so Nina also claims the 10:41 pm message was really at 9:41 pm. Possible, isn't 9:41 pm still after Rebecca's last call to her sister? Where was Nina when she called - the hospital? It is about 15-20 minutes away. So, she claims she doesn't get an answer from Rebecca, but invades her privacy and stops by the house late at night anyway?
Scenario 2 would be that she stopped by the house around 10 unexpected and then called afterwards and left a text?
Scenario 3, I guess would be that 10 pm is not exactly the time she stopped by.
Wonder exactly what time witnesses claimed they saw Nina? (the video is choppy for me - it sounds like they say between 10 and 11 pm)
In such a horrendous death, they should have checked the cell phone towers (or whatever) and pinned down the time and location.
The text to Rebecca, as others said earlier, could have been to locate her in the house.
I'd still like to know who else was staying at Dina's house also since it's only a few blocks away.
In all likelihood, scenario #3.
Re: pinging histories. LE should have obtained these from Nina, Dina and Jonah, as well as Adam - although by Adam's own admission he was physically present at mansion the night of Rebecca's death. And now add to that Nina's confession that she was also at mansion that night. Two very viable suspects.
In all likelihood, scenario #3.
Re: pinging histories. LE should have obtained these from Nina, Dina and Jonah, as well as Adam - although by Adam's own admission he was physically present at mansion the night of Rebecca's death. And now add to that Nina's confession that she was also at mansion that night. Two very viable suspects.
I think so too. My bet would be she was at the mansion right before the 10:41 call. I'd like more of the call histories of all these people too. Who all called who and where they were when they made the calls. Adma was physically present but what calls/texts did he make or receive after 8 pm? I'd throw Dr. Luber (?) and Dina's BF into the mix also - as well as Nina's if she had one. It's a family affair it seems to me. :crazy:
I don't think the SDSO ever said they checked hospital tapes to see when Nina came and went?
arielilane
11-03-2011, 07:58 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news ... on-mystery (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news-8-reenacts-the-coronado-mansion-mystery)
-----http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/lauriejcampbell/news8reenactment.jpg
Exclusive: News 8 reenacts the Coronado mansion mystery
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15940480/mans ... -questions (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15940480/mansion-mystery-news-8-reenactment-reveals-new-questions)
-----http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/lauriejcampbell/reenactmentrevealsnewquestions.jpg
Mansion mystery: News 8 reenactment reveals new questions
--------SDSO response to reenactment---
News 8 informed the sheriff's department about our results. A spokesperson issued a statement saying:
Your test was invalidated from the beginning. Even if you had the exact bed frame, you don't know the exact mattress (and weight). You don't know what was on the mattress (if anything), and you don't have the same carpet, padding, and indentations made by this particular piece of furniture.
You cannot simulate the exact conditions of that particular night, and you don't know precisely how Rebecca went over the railing. While this suicide is unusual, it is not unprecedented and it would be an enigmatic homicide.
( cry cry cry....)
Thanks for posting this lauriej. It's been long overdue for someone to recreate these event. Job well done.
Betty P
11-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Sounds as though everyone in the Shacknai family and the SDSO have been lying all along. It's getting difficult to keep track of all the lies they've told.
They must feel its safe to let a few facts out now about what happened that night. Perhaps they think all the evidence connecting them to the crime has been destroyed or tainted. Quite a clever, detailed plan they had to derail the investigation, frame Rebecca and destroy the evidence of her murder.
arielilane
11-03-2011, 08:25 PM
NR not only sent a text to Rebecca, but she showed up at the manison too. Interesting...
Rhyme & Reason
11-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Sounds as though everyone in the Shacknai family and the SDSO have been lying all along. It's getting difficult to keep track of all the lies they've told.
They must feel its safe to let a few facts out now about what happened that night. Perhaps they think all the evidence connecting them to the crime has been destroyed or tainted. Quite a clever, detailed plan they had to derail the investigation, frame Rebecca and destroy the evidence of her murder.
I totally agree.
tvscum
11-04-2011, 03:00 AM
And why fingerprint 13 year old who wasn't there during the so-called suicide and thus clearly couldn't have been involved? It would make sense to do it for the purpose of eliminating fingerprints, but if police were trying to eliminate fingerprints, shouldn't they have started with JS's and his teenage offspring(s)?
I am thinking now the 13-year-old stayed in the "hanging bedroom" during her stay. That's why they took her fingerprints. I still don't know what woman stayed in the guest house bedroom and left her clothes.
Morag
11-04-2011, 11:15 AM
I am thinking now the 13-year-old stayed in the "hanging bedroom" during her stay. That's why they took her fingerprints. I still don't know what woman stayed in the guest house bedroom and left her clothes.
That's what I assumed also, but didn't they say that there were no fingerprints in that room other than Rebecca's? (And no footprints on the balcony, either...If I'm a 13 year old girl from Missouri, and I have a cool balcony overlooking a lush courtyard, I'm sure as heck going to step out there.) I don't think I believe anything LE said about this case.
Betty P
11-04-2011, 02:15 PM
That's what I assumed also, but didn't they say that there were no fingerprints in that room other than Rebecca's? (And no footprints on the balcony, either...If I'm a 13 year old girl from Missouri, and I have a cool balcony overlooking a lush courtyard, I'm sure as heck going to step out there.) I don't think I believe anything LE said about this case.
When the available evidence is made public by the Zahau family attorneys, we may need some spreadsheets to keep track of all the "misinformation" and falsehoods put out by the Coronado PD, SDSO and Shacknai family. Coronado PD already claimed there was nothing to neighbors claims that they saw a woman outside the mansion that night, yet here we have the woman herself finally verifying she was there.
Were they also lying about the loud music and a woman screaming? Those things alone should justify reopening the investigation.
jjenny
11-04-2011, 03:45 PM
I am thinking now the 13-year-old stayed in the "hanging bedroom" during her stay. That's why they took her fingerprints. I still don't know what woman stayed in the guest house bedroom and left her clothes.
But didn't LE say that only fingerprints they found belonged to Rebecca? And the DNA they found belonged to Rebecca as well?
Curious Me
11-04-2011, 04:53 PM
Officers that saw and talked to Rebecca after MS accident reported she was understandably upset, but by the time of the Press Conference they reported some kind of ongoing depression for months. They even had her losing weight from depression. Just wondering if their witness of this bogus depression was DS or Nina. It's diabolical how far the SDSO would go to force a suicide theory.
Officers that saw and talked to Rebecca after MS accident reported she was understandably upset, but by the time of the Press Conference they reported some kind of ongoing depression for months. They even had her losing weight from depression. Just wondering if their witness of this bogus depression was DS or Nina. It's diabolical how far the SDSO would go to force a suicide theory.
Interesting that there is a commenter on this article claiming inside knowledge and debasing RZ
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-act-violence/201109/hanging-the-beach-house-female-suicide-or-murder-0
Why didn't they also investigate what kind of creepy investigations Dina and Jonah were conducting on their ex's. I don't find that to be normal behavior and put it together with a violent relationship .....
lauriej
11-04-2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011 ... next-week/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/nov/04/findings-coronado-hanging-air-next-week/)
Findings in Coronado hanging to air next week
--Nov.4/201--snipped---
Results of the autopsy, which were performed by private pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, are expected to be discussed Thursday on the “Dr. Phil” television show, said attorney Anne Bremner.
arielilane
11-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Will put up with Dr. Phil for the results. lol Waiting with baited breath...
arielilane
11-04-2011, 08:12 PM
Officers that saw and talked to Rebecca after MS accident reported she was understandably upset, but by the time of the Press Conference they reported some kind of ongoing depression for months. They even had her losing weight from depression. Just wondering if their witness of this bogus depression was DS or Nina. It's diabolical how far the SDSO would go to force a suicide theory.
I think they went as far as stating that Rebecca stopped working out as well. Which was not true.
lauriej
11-05-2011, 05:16 PM
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/dete ... despondent (http://coronado.patch.com/articles/detectives-zahau-calm-not-despondent)
Detectives: Zahau Calm, Not Despondent
--Nov.4/2011----------more @ link---
Investigators who spent time with her after her boyfriend's son was seriously injured were not concerned with her mental state, said an attorney who is examining the case files.
Coronado detectives told Sheriff's investigators after Rebecca Zahau died that she didn't feel responsible for grave injuries suffered by her boyfriend's son or show any signs of depression in the aftermath of his accident.
The statements, revealed in investigative files being reviewed by an attorney hired by the Zahau family, were made by detectives on July 19. They had accompanied Zahau to the hospital after Max Shacknai, 6, fell and suffered the head injuries that would ultimately kill him.
They described her as tearful, anxious and trembling, but they also concluded that her behavior was consistent with someone who had seen a loved one seriously injured, according to the attorney, Anne Bremner.
Bremner said the investigative files contain some information that already has been released, such as autopsy reports and search warrants. Other materials include photos, DVD's, lab reports, surveillance footage, medical records and videotaped interviews of Adam Shacknai and Xena Zahau.
Bremner does not have the file on the boy's death, but said she will request it because she believes the cases are connected.
“I think they're connected. Let's look at everything, blue sky, open air,“ the Seattle-based lawyer said.
Bremner said the investigative files contain some information that already has been released, such as autopsy reports and search warrants. Other materials include photos, DVD's, lab reports, surveillance footage, medical records and videotaped interviews of Adam Shacknai and Xena Zahau.
Bremner does not have the file on the boy's death, but said she will request it because she believes the cases are connected.
“I think they're connected. Let's look at everything, blue sky, open air,“ the Seattle-based lawyer said.
Something's not right here. Xena had already flown home the morning of 7/12/2011. She was not in Coronado, SD.
If the attorney Bremner did not receive the files on Max, that would mean Xena Zahau was processed, finger-printed, and underwent a videotaped interview - interrogated - about her own sister Rebecca Zahau's death even though Xena was not in Coronado that night of 7/12/2011 - 7/13/2011!
Why would LE question and processed the sister Xena, and not interrogate Jonah Shacknai, or Dina Romano who were in Coronado?!!!
GutInstinct
11-05-2011, 09:29 PM
$$$$.imo.
GutInstinct
11-05-2011, 09:46 PM
http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau
JS - not such a nice guy.
nanwv
11-06-2011, 01:47 AM
Looks like there were alot of visitors to the mansion that night:
From Anne Bremner's Facebook page:
Anne Bremner She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......
3 hours ago · Like · 1
lauriej
11-06-2011, 04:35 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/annembremner (http://twitter.com/#!/annembremner)
annembremnerAnne Bremner
I will be on Fox News tomorrow night ( sunday nov.6th.) at seven pm PT on the Rebecca Zahau case with Rebecca's sister Snowem.
---------posted saturday, nov.5th.
lauriej
11-06-2011, 05:51 AM
Officers that saw and talked to Rebecca after MS accident reported she was understandably upset, but by the time of the Press Conference they reported some kind of ongoing depression for months. They even had her losing weight from depression. Just wondering if their witness of this bogus depression was DS or Nina. It's diabolical how far the SDSO would go to force a suicide theory.
--at the ( it was suicide/science doesn't lie/end of story/case closed ) press conf. they "declined" to mention who had told them about rebecca's depression etc.
--it later came out.
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/zahau-family-presses-for-new-probe-death-suicide-hanging-shacknai-mansion#c
To further establish her poor state of mind, investigators also noted the words of a witness who told them Zahau complained in January of feeling stressed. She had been losing weight and did not feel up to working out, an activity that the fit woman greatly enjoyed.
A new witness coming forward could be crucial to the potential for reopening the case, but for [Snowem] Horwath, it's even more personal: She was the person who told authorities about her sister's mental state in January, when she left Germany to spent a month with Zahau in Arizona.
That memory, Horwath said, was a small part of a nearly two-hour talk with a female detective who she now accuses of taking her words out of context to bolster the suicide finding.
“The context was more important than that sentence they picked out,” Horwath said. “That hurt and at the same time showed the lack of professionalism in their work.”
--------------unbelievable----that they would use that her sister had told them that rebecca was stressed out back in JANUARY----as part of their suicidal "findings" given out at their press conference.
defense101
11-06-2011, 11:09 AM
Something's not right here. Xena had already flown home the morning of 7/12/2011. She was not in Coronado, SD.
If the attorney Bremner did not receive the files on Max, that would mean Xena Zahau was processed, finger-printed, and underwent a videotaped interview - interrogated - about her own sister Rebecca Zahau's death even though Xena was not in Coronado that night of 7/12/2011 - 7/13/2011!
Why would LE question and processed the sister Xena, and not interrogate Jonah Shacknai, or Dina Romano who were in Coronado?!!!Wow, that is such a good point!
Looks like there were alot of visitors to the mansion that night:
From Anne Bremner's Facebook page:
Anne Bremner She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......
3 hours ago · Like · 1
Dina, really? If so ..... HOLY COW! Did Anne possibly just make a mistake
elfie
11-06-2011, 07:25 PM
Dina, really? If so ..... HOLY COW! Did Anne possibly just make a mistake
Looks like she probably meant Nina, but it will be interesting to see if that is not the case.
coastal
11-07-2011, 12:12 PM
Looks like she probably meant Nina, but it will be interesting to see if that is not the case.
Snipped from nanwv's post, above:
>>>From Anne Bremner's Facebook page:
Anne Bremner She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......<<<
I think Anne meant just what she said here: somebody saw Dina in front of Shacknai's house at 10:00pm, before Rebecca died there, before twin Nina's 10:41 text message to Rebecca, and before Nina, too, "dropped by" to chat with Rebecca about Maxie's accident.
(Rumor alert! A poster at The Hinky Meter said he knows the person who reported seeing a woman outside Shacknai's house that night, and he said that the reporter ID'd that woman as Dina Shacknai to LE. He also said that the twins are fraternal, and do not look enough alike to be mistaken one for the other. FWIW. Post by "dogdays", 3rd from last, is here: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1402&start=100)
Also, Valhall has posted a (great) new article, here:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/07/rebecca-zahau-case-sdsos-hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds/#more-8361
elfie
11-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Snipped from nanwv's post, above:
>>>From Anne Bremner's Facebook page:
Anne Bremner She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......<<<
I think Anne meant just what she said here: somebody saw Dina in front of Shacknai's house at 10:00pm, before Rebecca died there, before twin Nina's 10:41 text message to Rebecca, and before Nina, too, "dropped by" to chat with Rebecca about Maxie's accident.
(Rumor alert! A poster at The Hinky Meter said he knows the person who reported seeing a woman outside Shacknai's house that night, and he said that the reporter ID'd that woman as Dina Shacknai to LE. He also said that the twins are fraternal, and do not look enough alike to be mistaken one for the other. FWIW. Post by "dogdays", 3rd from last, is here: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1402&start=100)
Also, Valhall has posted a (great) new article, here:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/07/rebecca-zahau-case-sdsos-hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds/#more-8361
Well that is interesting. Thank you!
Love Val's comment on the 'staged homicide' comment from SDSO PR. I did read it three times and am still clueless as to the implications. As Val predicted it did not get better with practice, lol.
I would add No sexual assault!????? Just for the sake humoring this proposition how, pray tell, would this scenario have been played out?? Ludicrous to be sure.
Snipped from nanwv's post, above:
>>>From Anne Bremner's Facebook page:
Anne Bremner She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......<<<
I think Anne meant just what she said here: somebody saw Dina in front of Shacknai's house at 10:00pm, before Rebecca died there, before twin Nina's 10:41 text message to Rebecca, and before Nina, too, "dropped by" to chat with Rebecca about Maxie's accident.
(Rumor alert! A poster at The Hinky Meter said he knows the person who reported seeing a woman outside Shacknai's house that night, and he said that the reporter ID'd that woman as Dina Shacknai to LE. He also said that the twins are fraternal, and do not look enough alike to be mistaken one for the other. FWIW. Post by "dogdays", 3rd from last, is here: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1402&start=100)
Also, Valhall has posted a (great) new article, here:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/07/rebecca-zahau-case-sdsos-hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds/#more-8361
Well, interesting... that poster seems to be saying the witness/man told police it was Dina and identified her from a photo. That possibly Nina is not telling the truth and trying to say it was her now. Hmmm, the plot thickens
jjenny
11-08-2011, 01:34 AM
Well that is interesting. Thank you!
Love Val's comment on the 'staged homicide' comment from SDSO PR. I did read it three times and am still clueless as to the implications. As Val predicted it did not get better with practice, lol.
I would add No sexual assault!????? Just for the sake humoring this proposition how, pray tell, would this scenario have been played out?? Ludicrous to be sure.
It is ridiculous beyond the point of ludicrous.
:floorlaugh:
Morag
11-08-2011, 01:55 AM
Nina gives a lengthy description of how she came to be at the house that night, including what she was wearing (!), how she snooped around and saw the light in the balcony room, and how whomever thought he saw Dina there that night couldn't possibly be right. Very interesting.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
jjenny
11-08-2011, 02:19 AM
Nina gives a lengthy description of how she came to be at the house that night, including what she was wearing (!), how she snooped around and saw the light in the balcony room, and how whomever thought he saw Dina there that night couldn't possibly be right. Very interesting.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
It could very well be that RZ didn't want to talk to Nina but where was AS? Both RZ and AS were home at 8 pm. So why didn't AS let Nina in?
coastal
11-08-2011, 02:21 AM
Exclusive: Max Shacknai’s aunt talks about Coronado mansion deaths
Updated: Nov 07, 2011 8:55 PM PST
By David Gotfredson, Field Producer
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
(Also, audio interview is at ^ link)
>>>snip
..."The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.
"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.
"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."
The witness may have mistaken Romano for her twin sister, who was at Children's Hospital by her son's bedside throughout the evening of July 12 and into the morning of July 13, Romano said.
"Seeing as we're twins, I could totally understand how somebody could mistake me at 10 o'clock at night in the dark for my sister," said Romano. "And that makes sense. We have the same body type. She's thinner than I am but we have the same broad shoulders. We're fraternal twins so I get how he could make that mistake. But it was 100% a mistake..."
<<<...>>>
http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/e010.gif ..."I think she committed suicide for sure," said Romano. "I think she was guilty. I think she felt guilty. In my opinion, I feel like she knew more than she disclosed."
"My thought was, ‘Oh my God she did know more than she admitted to.' That was my initial reaction. ‘Oh my gosh, what on earth did she do that she couldn't live with?'"...
(article continues)
<<<snip
Wow.
What timing!
Wow.
I'm biting my tongue now.
Thank you, David Gotfredson, Field Producer at News8!
jjenny
11-08-2011, 02:28 AM
Even if one assumes that witness mistook Nina for Dina what's with large black bag the witness said he saw? Nina claims she did not carry a large black bag.
What was in that large black bag if the witness is correct?
lauriej
11-08-2011, 05:41 AM
Nina gives a lengthy description of how she came to be at the house that night, including what she was wearing (!), how she snooped around and saw the light in the balcony room, and how whomever thought he saw Dina there that night couldn't possibly be right. Very interesting.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
----the audio interview is MAJOR *bombshell* stuff "morag" !!!!!
lauriej
11-08-2011, 05:45 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/excl ... ion-deaths (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths)
--2:54
--Aunt Says Autopsy Report on Max is Wrong---
--no-one in the family has faith in the autopsy report conclusion/ or that maxie died in the manner they were told.
--doesn't believe rebecca told the truth of what happened.
--doesn't believe rebecca gave CPR at all.
--wants a new investigation into maxie's death/ family still searching for answers.
( they do? that's amazing------i believe someone else's family just so happens to want a new investigation too....)
..get in line auntieN....( or to the front of the sheriffG line..?)
Mrs. Holmes
11-08-2011, 09:54 AM
NR says she was there and saw the LIGHT ON in the hanging bedroom? So... who turned out the light... it wasn't on in the police photos?
Mrs. Holmes
11-08-2011, 09:57 AM
There was someone posting on the Coronado patch website at one point who said she saw JS and DS at DS's house on the night RZ was murdered. I sent the link to Anne Bremner.
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/s...orning-assault
Island Kat Posts....
MON 2:06 PM- What do your comments have to do with the above story? If you all are discussing the young woman that was found hanging I may have information. I thought they found it was suicide? I saw that man and his wife with two other men the night that woman hung herself. They were at the wife's house. I don't think he could hurt that woman. He would be too sad about his son.
MON 2:24PM -He was the man that lost his son and girlfriend in one week but I don't remember his name. He owned the house right by the Hotel Del. I think he was from Arizona. What does this have to do with the woman being attacked on Saturday? Did this man have something to do with those two deaths?
MON 3:22 PM -Thank you Val for responding to my questio. I read this story because I was concerned about my friend. I am pretty sure it was Mr. & Mrs. Zahau but I did not recognize the other men. I met this couple at an event and was sad to hear about the boy and his mistress. I thought the case was closed but the young lady's family and Mr. Zahau had it opened back up. Do I just go to the police and explain who I saw? I think you also asked what time I saw them, it was 11 or 12 after the Tonight Show. I have told other people what I saw but nobody told me the police needed to know. Who is Robert Mack is afilliated with, does he work for the Coronado police?
Mrs. Holmes
11-08-2011, 09:58 AM
This case is so WEIRD.... certainly not all is as it appears. Is anyone telling the truth?
ANYONE of the people involved?
Mrs. Holmes
11-08-2011, 10:06 AM
Nina's CBS8 interview....about the phone time... where is Nina from...? A different time zone might explain her phone text time.
Mrs. Holmes
11-08-2011, 10:23 AM
Aw you gotta love Nina..... loose lips sink ships..... she's a wild card.... and I bet JS and his PR company are freaking out.
jjenny
11-08-2011, 10:25 AM
Nina's CBS8 interview....about the phone time... where is Nina from...? A different time zone might explain her phone text time.
No, the article says the time zones are the same.
jjenny
11-08-2011, 10:28 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/excl ... ion-deaths (http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths)
--2:54
--Aunt Says Autopsy Report on Max is Wrong---
--no-one in the family has faith in the autopsy report conclusion/ or that maxie died in the manner they were told.
--doesn't believe rebecca told the truth of what happened.
--doesn't believe rebecca gave CPR at all.
--wants a new investigation into maxie's death/ family still searching for answers.
( they do? that's amazing------i believe someone else's family just so happens to want a new investigation too....)
..get in line auntieN....( or to the front of the sheriffG line..?)
And that RZ was "GUILTY." Clearly Dina's part of the family were highly suspicious from the start. Whether the doctor told him about his beliefs or not.
Nina gives a lengthy description of how she came to be at the house that night, including what she was wearing (!), how she snooped around and saw the light in the balcony room, and how whomever thought he saw Dina there that night couldn't possibly be right. Very interesting.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
Well, the conversations Nina claims she had with Rebecca certainly make no sense based on anything else we know (even from SDSO)
"We got in the car and the first thing I said was, ‘Rebecca what happened?'" recalled Romano.
"I heard Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest. That makes no sense to me. I said, ‘He's a six year old boy. He's a healthy boy. He plays soccer. He plays sports. I don't understand.' And (Rebecca) just looked at me and she said, ‘I know.' And that was it," said Romano, 41, during a two-hour interview detailing the events.
"And I said, ‘Okay, well, where did he fall from? Did he fall from the first set of stairs, the little landing, the stairs going up, the top landing by the bedrooms, where did he fall from?'" Romano continued. "She said twice, ‘He fell from the bedroom. He fell from the bedroom.' And I looked at her and said, ‘How do you know that? I thought you didn't see him.' No answer."
I find it interesting that what she is saying actually adds to the theory some inquisition was going on and some desperate attempt to immediately blame Rebecca for Max's death. Unless something totally different happened to Max that we don't know, I can't imagine someone being so concerned but having such a mixed up bunch of stuff she is asking about. Who told her that ...
"Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest."??????
After seeing the photo of her posted on this article, I also find it strange that Nina would promote the twins theory that someone misidentified her as Dina. If you put the two of them together, I would have no idea they were twins or maybe even sisters. :waitasec:
Carpe Pacem
11-08-2011, 01:45 PM
Channel 8, KFMB San Diego, reported last evening that they'd be present at today's taping of the Dr. Phil show, and would bring home info for today's evening news.
Sorry if this is a repeat post; not much time today to read.
No, the article says the time zones are the same.
Some points?
* the article doesn't say they obtained an official copy of Nina's phone records, but I think that Nina gave them a copy
* I wonder if there were any calls after the one they say is on the bill?
* it seems to possibly still put Nina outside the house when she says she called - I think Nina claims she was 5 minutes away at Dina's though. However, if she was calling while at the house, the call could have been used to possibly locate Rebecca inside the house
* if the call was at 9:41, Rebecca had just hung up with her sister, hadn't she?
Romano noticed a light on in an upstairs bedroom; the same room where detectives believe Zahau bound and gagged herself while naked, tied a rope around her own neck and jumped to her death off the balcony.
* Nina had to have known Adam was there at the time, but she says nothing about whether his light was on or not or attempting to contact him since she was conveniently at the back of the house. Interesting
And that RZ was "GUILTY." Clearly Dina's part of the family were highly suspicious from the start. Whether the doctor told him about his beliefs or not.
Exactly!!!!
coastal
11-08-2011, 02:29 PM
I just noticed the "Notice" from Tricia at the top of this page ^:
Dr. Cyril Wecht will be on Dr. Phil this Thursday (NOT today Tuesday) discussing his autopsy on Rebecca Zahau. Thursday Dr Phil with Dr. Wecht. You do not want to miss this Dr. Phil.
On Sunday Dr. Wecht will join us on Websleuths Radio at a special time 9 PM EST/6 PM PST November 13th.
http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/verschiedene/b020.gif
YES! Tricia! You are the BEST! Can't wait! Thank you!
defense101
11-08-2011, 08:20 PM
So Nina was asked to take a lie detector test said yes and then was too emotional and couldn't do it, the results of Max's condition wasn't known until Weds so that knocks out the midnight call to Rebecca updating her to Max's condition that caused her to commit suicide. This is one bizarre interview IMO Slip of the tongue at the end when Nina says I believe Rebecca was guilty oh I mean felt guilty... This interview was um strange bizarre crazy.. funny everything Rebecca did was that according to NINA, and the rest of them were normal, thats just :crazy:
So Nina was asked to take a lie detector test said yes and then was too emotional and couldn't do it, the results of Max's condition wasn't known until Weds so that knocks out the midnight call to Rebecca updating her to Max's condition that caused her to commit suicide. This is one bizarre interview IMO Slip of the tongue at the end when Nina says I believe Rebecca was guilty oh I mean felt guilty... This interview was um strange bizarre crazy.. funny everything Rebecca did was that according to NINA, and the rest of them were normal, thats just :crazy:
Great summary! Especially the last sentence.
Rhyme & Reason
11-09-2011, 01:15 AM
Nina's CBS8 interview....about the phone time... where is Nina from...? A different time zone might explain her phone text time.
Nina lives in California. Not too far from me actually.
Carpe Pacem
11-09-2011, 01:25 AM
The KFMB Channel 8 news was a letdown, except for the info that (paraphrasing) there are new findings pertinent to Rebecca's death. You probably are all aware that the Dr. Phil thing's been postponed, now to take place on the original date, 11-14, with a second segment on the 15th.
I have hopes for justice.
Mrs. Holmes
11-09-2011, 12:46 PM
Speaking of justice. The SD LE you would think they would be on their best behavior seeing as this is such a high profile case. They KNEW for certain the kind of scrutiny this case would be under, and this investigation has so many huge holes in it.
Now it makes you wonder what kind of investigations they do when no one is looking, as in the case where they botched that one woman's murder.
Shameful... when total amateurs can poke huge holes in the case and experts have to come forward and offer their services for free and the family has to beg for money to get justice.
GreenEyedGirl
11-09-2011, 03:17 PM
There was someone posting on the Coronado patch website at one point who said she saw JS and DS at DS's house on the night RZ was murdered. I sent the link to Anne Bremner.
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/s...orning-assault
Island Kat Posts....
MON 2:06 PM- What do your comments have to do with the above story? If you all are discussing the young woman that was found hanging I may have information. I thought they found it was suicide? I saw that man and his wife with two other men the night that woman hung herself. They were at the wife's house. I don't think he could hurt that woman. He would be too sad about his son.
MON 2:24PM -He was the man that lost his son and girlfriend in one week but I don't remember his name. He owned the house right by the Hotel Del. I think he was from Arizona. What does this have to do with the woman being attacked on Saturday? Did this man have something to do with those two deaths?
MON 3:22 PM -Thank you Val for responding to my questio. I read this story because I was concerned about my friend. I am pretty sure it was Mr. & Mrs. Zahau but I did not recognize the other men. I met this couple at an event and was sad to hear about the boy and his mistress. I thought the case was closed but the young lady's family and Mr. Zahau had it opened back up. Do I just go to the police and explain who I saw? I think you also asked what time I saw them, it was 11 or 12 after the Tonight Show. I have told other people what I saw but nobody told me the police needed to know. Who is Robert Mack is afilliated with, does he work for the Coronado police?
Interesting...this page is not found anymore. I can understand how they (DS, NR) would want to be questioning RZ. I'd want to know everything I could find out. But, I would also be honest and not try to hide anything. That's what makes a person go, "hmmmm"....
Mrs. Holmes
11-09-2011, 05:54 PM
I don't know why it never occured to me before but DS would have some very strong motives to kill RZ ... AND make it look like JS did it.
However the message on the door ..... I believe is staged... and seems written to take the HEAT off of JS.
This man's history of violence towards his ex-wives makes him very suspect. I remember the reporter at the very first media event was astonished and pressing hard to find out exactly where JS was that day. A husband/boyfriend is always the first
suspect in a murder.
So Nina was asked to take a lie detector test said yes and then was too emotional and couldn't do it, the results of Max's condition wasn't known until Weds so that knocks out the midnight call to Rebecca updating her to Max's condition that caused her to commit suicide. This is one bizarre interview IMO Slip of the tongue at the end when Nina says I believe Rebecca was guilty oh I mean felt guilty... This interview was um strange bizarre crazy.. funny everything Rebecca did was that according to NINA, and the rest of them were normal, thats just :crazy:
What I find interesting is she admits to going to the house, says she is too upset to take a lie detector test after first agreeing to it and let's not forget that she leaves town the day before her nephew dies. Very shady, in my opinion.
lauriej
11-11-2011, 04:31 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr-phil-reveals-findings-of-independent-autopsy-report-in-the-mysterious-death-of-rebecca-zahau-2011-11-11
press release
Nov. 11, 2011, 12:47 p.m. EST
DR. PHIL Reveals Findings of Independent Autopsy Report in the Mysterious Death of Rebecca Zahau
These episodes will feature members of the Zahau family -- Rebecca's sister Mary and her husband Doug -- as well as renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht who will detail the results of his autopsy performed late last month.
"The family wants answers," said Dr. Phil. "If it's a suicide, they'll wrap their minds and hearts around that and begin the healing process. If it's not, they want the person responsible for Rebecca's death brought to justice."
Also appearing on the broadcast are Zahau family attorney Ann Bremner, and their private investigator Paul Ciolino.
defense101
11-11-2011, 10:05 PM
:D Dang it I had a great thought but now I'm not sure, I'll have to listen to the whole NINA interview again "sigh", I agree with who ever said her voice reminded them of CA lol, ok putting my ears back on.
lauriej
11-12-2011, 02:10 PM
What I find interesting is she admits to going to the house, says she is too upset to take a lie detector test after first agreeing to it and let's not forget that she leaves town the day before her nephew dies. Very shady, in my opinion.
..dr.worthen pronounced brain death at 11:58 P.M. Friday------it was confirmed by dr.hans at 11:30 A.M. Saturday.
..nina ( got out of the friday 8 a.m. LDT b/c according to her , maxie was actually pronounced dead by the 1st doctor at 6 A.M. Friday--which isn't true--so she was too distraught to take the LDT.)
..she says in the interview that she left san diego Saturday afternoon, she needed to go home for a day, came back with her husband Sunday---to drive dina to arizona for maxie's service, ( which was wednesday, the 19th.)
SophieRose
11-12-2011, 06:50 PM
..dr.worthen pronounced brain death at 11:58 P.M. Friday------it was confirmed by dr.hans at 11:30 A.M. Saturday.
..nina ( got out of the friday 8 a.m. LDT b/c according to her , maxie was actually pronounced dead by the 1st doctor at 6 A.M. Friday--which isn't true--so she was too distraught to take the LDT.)
..she says in the interview that she left san diego Saturday afternoon, she needed to go home for a day, came back with her husband Sunday---to drive dina to arizona for maxie's service, ( which was wednesday, the 19th.)
No, that is not what Nina said. She said that she had felt Max had passed around 6:00 am in the morning, that she had looked at him, couldn't explain it but knew he was gone. I have a friend who said the same thing about his mother, that he felt she had died hours earlier than her official death, he wasn't religious but said he felt her spirit leave her body. Maybe this is what Nina felt. Nina does go on to say that a doctor did come in later that day, Friday, but two doctors are needed in California to declare brain death, so the second one came in on Saturday.
I also want to add that GS posted the Facebook message "RIP Maxie" on Friday (doubt she had time to do this after the first brain death annoucement at 11:58 pm so probably sometime earlier that day), so others in the family may also have felt this.
Callie
11-12-2011, 06:54 PM
I am thinking now the 13-year-old stayed in the "hanging bedroom" during her stay. That's why they took her fingerprints. I still don't know what woman stayed in the guest house bedroom and left her clothes.
Hi tyscum, Excellent thought. I think you're right and would explain why the dog bone was there in the room. Ocean probably went in there with her and she was playing with him. I would think that when not in use the doors would be closed to those rooms.
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Originally Posted by jjenny http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7329497#post7329497)
No, the article says the time zones are the same.
Some points?
* the article doesn't say they obtained an official copy of Nina's phone records, but I think that Nina gave them a copy
* I wonder if there were any calls after the one they say is on the bill?
* it seems to possibly still put Nina outside the house when she says she called - I think Nina claims she was 5 minutes away at Dina's though. However, if she was calling while at the house, the call could have been used to possibly locate Rebecca inside the house
* if the call was at 9:41, Rebecca had just hung up with her sister, hadn't she?
Quote:
Romano noticed a light on in an upstairs bedroom; the same room where detectives believe Zahau bound and gagged herself while naked, tied a rope around her own neck and jumped to her death off the balcony.
* Nina had to have known Adam was there at the time, but she says nothing about whether his light was on or not or attempting to contact him since she was conveniently at the back of the house. Interesting
Bumping this thread because it has some good info and relates to another question about the phone call timing from Nina Romano to Rebecca Zahau
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