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Kimster
11-03-2011, 08:12 PM
This forum was created to help in organizing information as people sleuth this case. Bessie is our point person and I'm here to help too!

So, please feel free to post thoughts and what you guys need to sort out the information here. Don't be afraid to open new threads.

:welcome:

Salem
11-03-2011, 08:32 PM
You Rock, Kimster!

annemc2
11-03-2011, 10:31 PM
As a Houstonian in a former life (who drove from The Woodlands to Katy to Pearland and all in-between for work), these cases really get to me. Thanks so much for setting up the new forum, Kimster!

bessie
11-03-2011, 10:47 PM
Thank you, Kimster!!!!! :blowkiss:

bessie
11-03-2011, 11:11 PM
To get us started, I'm going to open threads for the decades from 1970 through the present. Thanks to Ikoihilm JeannieC, and Claudcici, many of the cases are already posted in the original thread, I'll copy them to the respective chronological threads and add in any that are missing. We can add threads later for geographical areas, i.e., counties, particular victims, suspects/perpetrators, and other particular areas of focus.

bessie
11-04-2011, 09:35 AM
I started a new thread for the Montgomery County cases since that was the focus of the latests discussion in the original thread. I've copied most of the posts over to the new one, and I'll check later to copy any that I missed.

JenniferTx
11-04-2011, 10:04 AM
I am so glad to see this thread being started. Living in the Houston area pretty much my entire life I have always followed all the happenings in the area. I remember when I was younger how stupid we all were when we would go to Galveston for the weekend and living like we had nothing to be afraid of because we never thought anyone would ever capture one of us and kill us and leave us in the field. We were just stupid kids but very lucky.

Tricia
11-05-2011, 01:47 AM
This is a FANTASTIC idea you all.

Thank you Bessie, Kimster, and everyone for working hard on putting this together.

Tricia

:+:MrTT:+:
11-05-2011, 05:58 AM
Those cases listed for the decades.
Are those for links only and no discussion?
Or can we leave comments.

bessie
11-05-2011, 02:30 PM
Those cases listed for the decades.
Are those for links only and no discussion?
Or can we leave comments.

The threads are open for discussion, Mr. TT.

Kimster
11-12-2011, 08:32 PM
We've got a few things to decide and I'd like to see what you guys think.

We're working closely with the UID members now. Very kewl! But, we want to make sure everyone is on the same page as much as possible.

I was thinking about making a subforum for each case as a member starts trying to match the UIDs, but then we'll have the UID forum AND the subforum here. I'm thinking it would be easier to move them to the UID forum, which was actually an idea brought to me first by Carl.

So, should we make a sticky thread that lists each UID that we move to the UID forum with a link to their thread? Would that work?

Or does someone have a better idea?

JeannieC
11-13-2011, 01:47 AM
We've got a few things to decide and I'd like to see what you guys think.

We're working closely with the UID members now. Very kewl! But, we want to make sure everyone is on the same page as much as possible.

I was thinking about making a subforum for each case as a member starts trying to match the UIDs, but then we'll have the UID forum AND the subforum here. I'm thinking it would be easier to move them to the UID forum, which was actually an idea brought to me first by Carl.

So, should we make a sticky thread that lists each UID that we move to the UID forum with a link to their thread? Would that work?

Or does someone have a better idea?

I like Carl's idea of moving them to the UID Forum and your's of having a sticky thread. Less confusing, easier to find Carl and the group, neater, all in one place. jmo

Can a mod go in on the Killing Field UID thread and give a little explanation of what to do if you think you have a match? Maybe edit the first post so folks don't get confused? I should have asked someone to do that before opening the thread. Less confusion.

We'd like to keep The Killing Field UID Thread as information only and no discussion. As victims are ID'd we can add that information to the Information UID thread.

Thanks to all the Mods for your hard work and helping us to get this going. Thanks, Carl for jumping in to help us out on these ID's. We appreciate everything you guys do for us!

ikoihil
11-13-2011, 02:13 AM
http://www.i45texas.com/images/interstate_45_texas_highway_map.gif

:+:MrTT:+:
11-13-2011, 11:27 AM
We've got a few things to decide and I'd like to see what you guys think.

We're working closely with the UID members now. Very kewl! But, we want to make sure everyone is on the same page as much as possible.

I was thinking about making a subforum for each case as a member starts trying to match the UIDs, but then we'll have the UID forum AND the subforum here. I'm thinking it would be easier to move them to the UID forum, which was actually an idea brought to me first by Carl.

So, should we make a sticky thread that lists each UID that we move to the UID forum with a link to their thread? Would that work?

Or does someone have a better idea?
Having a link would be OK.
that way we would not have to open a new tab or window to view it.
and we only have to hit the back button to return to the main thread.

bessie
11-13-2011, 02:30 PM
I like Carl's idea of moving them to the UID Forum and your's of having a sticky thread. Less confusing, easier to find Carl and the group, neater, all in one place. jmo

Can a mod go in on the Killing Field UID thread and give a little explanation of what to do if you think you have a match? Maybe edit the first post so folks don't get confused? I should have asked someone to do that before opening the thread. Less confusion.

We'd like to keep The Killing Field UID Thread as information only and no discussion. As victims are ID'd we can add that information to the Information UID thread.

Thanks to all the Mods for your hard work and helping us to get this going. Thanks, Carl for jumping in to help us out on these ID's. We appreciate everything you guys do for us!

Jeannie, I agree with you and I haven't overlooked your request to edit that opening post. I'll do it once we've made a decision on how to handle the UID's.

ikoihil
11-13-2011, 09:08 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1500&pictureid=13042


August 21, 2006

Inthoradet Sengsatheuane, 28 was arrested for 2 counts of aggravated kidnapping, after allegedly kidnapping two women from East Beach, Galveston at gunpoint.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23700558/Police-News-Sept-06

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=ee90d9534759ab24


I can't find any other information about this case.

ikoihil
11-13-2011, 10:30 PM
I'd just like to point out that this guy was free from the time of his wife's disappearance in the early 1980's up until his arrest in March of 2011. If anyone has information about what kind of work he did, or whether or not he traveled, etc, please post it. I can't find information about his occupation, but see that he resided in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

We can see that he is a repeat offender of a serious nature, especially having taken the time and effort to construct a concealed torture chamber in his home...


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/03/14/Jeffery-Allan-Maxwell_244x183.gif

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20043345-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20110314-parker-county-kidnapping-leads-investigators-to-look-at-cases-of-two-other-women-who-vanished-including-suspects-wife.ece?ssimg=143469#ssStory142947

Published: 14 March 2011 12:39 PM
Jeffrey Allan Maxwell, 58, is being held on aggravated kidnapping and sex assault charges.

Investigators are reviewing the cold cases of at least two missing women after a third was rescued from what the Parker County sheriff called Jeffrey Allan Maxwell’s “house of horrors” in Corsicana. While known as a creep elsewhere, Maxwell had reinvented himself in Corsicana. He was the vice president of the Kiwanis Club and frequently got his picture in the paper for the charity's good deeds. He was about to become president.

When he met detectives outside his home, he said he knew nothing about the missing woman. But then the woman ran from the home, screaming "I'm here! I'm here!" Inside, police would find what they later called a house of horrors.

Maxwell, 58, was arrested Saturday after sheriff’s investigators and Texas Rangers discovered a Parker County woman — missing since her house burned down nearly two weeks ago — was being confined in a secret compartment in Maxwell’s home.

The woman had been bound, raped and probably tortured, said Parker County Sheriff Larry Fowler, adding, “I hope to never see it again.”

An affidavit listed a bed with chains, leather restraints and sexual devices among items seized from the home. An investigator connected to the case reported seeing an electric winch used for stringing up animal carcasses.

The affidavit said Maxwell confessed to kidnapping and sexually assaulting the woman. He claimed he had been paid to make the reclusive 62-year-old “go away,” the affidavit said, but refused to tell investigators who paid him.


Investigators declined to go into specifics about the woman’s condition, but said investigators had bagged about 100 items from the home, which he said contained a hidden area he believed to be purposefully constructed for restraining someone.

Asked if the woman’s abduction looked carefully planned, the sheriff said it did.

Fowler said investigators searched Maxwell’s house with cadaver dogs looking for old bodies, but found none.

He said, however, his department is now re-examining a case from 2000, when Amelia Smith, 51, disappeared around the time her house and car near Azle caught fire.

http://media2.myfoxdfw.com//photo/2011/03/21/maxwellatcourt_20110321093237_320_240.JPG

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20110314-parker-county-kidnapping-leads-investigators-to-look-at-cases-of-two-other-women-who-vanished-including-suspects-wife.ece?ssimg=143468#ssStory142947

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42085159/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/cops-eye-house-horrors-suspect-cold-cases/

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Parker-County-kidnap-suspect-was-accused-of-torture-before-117982914.html

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/031411-Woman-Freed-after-Horrific-Kidnapping-in-Corsicana

http://www.athensreview.com/breakingnews/x1526183709/Maxwell-told-to-hire-lawyer

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/68757/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/jeffrey-maxwell-arrested-alleged-abduction-assault-13139585

http://weatherforddemocrat.com/x423434587/Maxwell-arraigned

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/031611-Closure-Possible-for-Missing-Womans-Family

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/03/jeffrey_maxwell_kept_kidnapped.php


http://www.charleyproject.org/images/s/smith_amelia.jpg
AMELIA SMITH
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_amelia.html


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMMaxwell.JPG
MARTHA BERTHA MARTINEZ MAXWELL
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3033dftx.html

JeannieC
11-14-2011, 02:10 PM
Jeannie, I agree with you and I haven't overlooked your request to edit that opening post. I'll do it once we've made a decision on how to handle the UID's.

I might have jumped the gun. We had 3 this am. I set up a thread for possible matches. Check out the thread and either delete or make changes.

I thought this would be one way for others to know what has been id'd as a possible match and not duplicate them.

I sent one to the UID Forum and Ikoihil sent either one or two. Not sure.

We do need to streamline this process so none get overlooked and just sit there. lol

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154681

I spoke with Chubby on one since it was Princess Blue. I didn't realize there was a forum for her. I asked Chubby for any suggestions to help streamline this.

We have some good sleuthers and they are finding possible matches.

JeannieC
11-14-2011, 02:15 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1500&pictureid=13042


August 21, 2006

Inthoradet Sengsatheuane, 28 was arrested for 2 counts of aggravated kidnapping, after allegedly kidnapping two women from East Beach, Galveston at gunpoint.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23700558/Police-News-Sept-06

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=ee90d9534759ab24


I can't find any other information about this case.

Did you mean to put this in the Media, Information thread?

JeannieC
11-14-2011, 02:17 PM
I'd just like to point out that this guy was free from the time of his wife's disappearance in the early 1980's up until his arrest in March of 2011. If anyone has information about what kind of work he did, or whether or not he traveled, etc, please post it. I can't find information about his occupation, but see that he resided in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

We can see that he is a repeat offender of a serious nature, especially having taken the time and effort to construct a concealed torture chamber in his home...


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/03/14/Jeffery-Allan-Maxwell_244x183.gif

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20043345-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20110314-parker-county-kidnapping-leads-investigators-to-look-at-cases-of-two-other-women-who-vanished-including-suspects-wife.ece?ssimg=143469#ssStory142947

Published: 14 March 2011 12:39 PM
Jeffrey Allan Maxwell, 58, is being held on aggravated kidnapping and sex assault charges.

Investigators are reviewing the cold cases of at least two missing women after a third was rescued from what the Parker County sheriff called Jeffrey Allan Maxwell’s “house of horrors” in Corsicana. While known as a creep elsewhere, Maxwell had reinvented himself in Corsicana. He was the vice president of the Kiwanis Club and frequently got his picture in the paper for the charity's good deeds. He was about to become president.

When he met detectives outside his home, he said he knew nothing about the missing woman. But then the woman ran from the home, screaming "I'm here! I'm here!" Inside, police would find what they later called a house of horrors.

Maxwell, 58, was arrested Saturday after sheriff’s investigators and Texas Rangers discovered a Parker County woman — missing since her house burned down nearly two weeks ago — was being confined in a secret compartment in Maxwell’s home.

The woman had been bound, raped and probably tortured, said Parker County Sheriff Larry Fowler, adding, “I hope to never see it again.”

An affidavit listed a bed with chains, leather restraints and sexual devices among items seized from the home. An investigator connected to the case reported seeing an electric winch used for stringing up animal carcasses.

The affidavit said Maxwell confessed to kidnapping and sexually assaulting the woman. He claimed he had been paid to make the reclusive 62-year-old “go away,” the affidavit said, but refused to tell investigators who paid him.


Investigators declined to go into specifics about the woman’s condition, but said investigators had bagged about 100 items from the home, which he said contained a hidden area he believed to be purposefully constructed for restraining someone.

Asked if the woman’s abduction looked carefully planned, the sheriff said it did.

Fowler said investigators searched Maxwell’s house with cadaver dogs looking for old bodies, but found none.

He said, however, his department is now re-examining a case from 2000, when Amelia Smith, 51, disappeared around the time her house and car near Azle caught fire.

http://media2.myfoxdfw.com//photo/2011/03/21/maxwellatcourt_20110321093237_320_240.JPG

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20110314-parker-county-kidnapping-leads-investigators-to-look-at-cases-of-two-other-women-who-vanished-including-suspects-wife.ece?ssimg=143468#ssStory142947

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42085159/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/cops-eye-house-horrors-suspect-cold-cases/

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Parker-County-kidnap-suspect-was-accused-of-torture-before-117982914.html

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/031411-Woman-Freed-after-Horrific-Kidnapping-in-Corsicana

http://www.athensreview.com/breakingnews/x1526183709/Maxwell-told-to-hire-lawyer

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/68757/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/jeffrey-maxwell-arrested-alleged-abduction-assault-13139585

http://weatherforddemocrat.com/x423434587/Maxwell-arraigned

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/031611-Closure-Possible-for-Missing-Womans-Family

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/03/jeffrey_maxwell_kept_kidnapped.php


http://www.charleyproject.org/images/s/smith_amelia.jpg
AMELIA SMITH
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_amelia.html


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMMaxwell.JPG
MARTHA BERTHA MARTINEZ MAXWELL
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3033dftx.html

Was this meant for the Media, information, links thread?

JeannieC
11-14-2011, 02:49 PM
We left it behind in the Cold Cases. LOL


COLD CASES - The Killing Fields - Time Line - Media-Reference NO DISCUSSION

:+:MrTT:+:
11-14-2011, 02:56 PM
It has been over 12 hours.
Since I posted a possible match for princess blue.
What is the status of the investigation?

JeannieC
11-14-2011, 03:46 PM
It has been over 12 hours.
Since I posted a possible match for princess blue.
What is the status of the investigation?




It's not that fast. It goes to the UID forum and they check it and submit it. They know who to contact. First thing they do is check it to be sure it is a possible match based on physical attributes. When they have pictures to work with they do those indepth comparisions first. They do this before they submit it to Namus or LE.

It takes weeks or sometimes months. All depends on whether they have DNA and dentals to go by.

If it has already been ruled out you get a quick answer. Otherwise, it takes time.

Hope that helps.

:+:MrTT:+:
11-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Just a suggestion but not critical and no hurry.
Just for the future.
If we could divide the uids on separate threads from the decade they were found.
It would be easier and quicker to search for a possible match instead of browsing through each one each time in the current thread created.

For example.
If I am looking for a match to an uid from a person missing from the 90s.
I could just go into the 90s uid(when they were found)thread and look there.
Instead of looking and reading each one over and over in the single thread we have now.

Any feedback?
Thank-you for reading my suggestion

ynotdivein
11-15-2011, 02:44 PM
We're listening! And still trying to sort out the organizational system that will work best... keep the ideas coming, and :tyou: so much for your dedication and patience!

bessie
11-15-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm always glad to hear suggestions from you, Mr. TT. Currently we have one thread to list all "Killing Fields UID's" Killing Fields Unidentified **NO DISCUSSION-LIST ONLY** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

It is a non-discussion thread to list only unidentified victims (Jane Does). I'll probably make it a sticky so it will always be easy to find. Will that work? We weren't planning to have a UID thread for each decade, but I suppose we could if there are enough to warrant that change.

:+:MrTT:+:
11-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I'm always glad to hear suggestions from you, Mr. TT. Currently we have one thread to list all "Killing Fields UID's" Killing Fields Unidentified **NO DISCUSSION-LIST ONLY** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154147)

It is a non-discussion thread to list only unidentified victims (Jane Does). I'll probably make it a sticky so it will always be easy to find. Will that work? We weren't planning to have a UID thread for each decade, but I suppose we could if there are enough to warrant that change.

Thank-you.
That would be fine.
I don't expect there to be thousands added to it.
So the ones that are added now and in future should not be a over whelming number.

And would do me good to read each one and memorize them that way.
Thank-you for helping me see the light on this.

bessie
11-15-2011, 04:15 PM
Great! I've posted a few guidelines in the UID thread to keep it simple and concise for easy reference. Post titles beginning with the year, county and estimated age will make it easier to scroll through.

ikoihil
11-16-2011, 05:20 AM
Did you mean to put this in the Media, Information thread?

I thought this was the information thread. According to the title, it is. I thought it was supposed to go in here, since I was putting my own comments about it, and I thought the media thread was no discussion... But then again, I've been confused in here lately, lol. Sorry.

I've copied them into the media and links thread now.

Kimster
11-17-2011, 09:53 PM
I thought this was the information thread. According to the title, it is. I thought it was supposed to go in here, since I was putting my own comments about it, and I thought the media thread was no discussion... But then again, I've been confused in here lately, lol. Sorry.

I've copied them into the media and links thread now.

No problem. This is the thread for sorting things out. :D


New information on UIDs: I've been thinking about this for over a week, bounced it off the mods and now came to a decision. <danger! haha>

I'm going to make a UID mini-subforum for this subforum. This will be for UID information only.

If you guys choose to pull out one individual UID to discuss, start a thread on that case in the UID mini-subforum and a mod will move the thread to the UID. What we'll do is leave the redirect link permantly in your mini-subforum so you can refer to it, but the thread itself will be in the UID forum.

Clear as mud? :lol:

And you guys can add whatever other UID information in there as needed. Perhaps a thread on similarities between UID remains, etc. You guys will probably come up with better ideas than I have, I'm sure. :blowkiss:

:grouphug:

bessie
11-17-2011, 10:30 PM
So members can click on the redirect from the sub-sub-forum here and post without having to go over to the UID forum. But...the thread will actually be in the UID forum. Very clever, Kimster. Thank you! :cupcake:

:+:MrTT:+:
03-04-2012, 06:25 AM
Can someone start a thread for the Identified found in Texas?
I think there are two or three found in Texas with a connection or thought of being connected to the killing fields especially the one found in 75.

This thread seemed to went dormant during the winter months.
Hopefully with spring approaching we will be able to identify more.