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Credence
11-07-2011, 04:55 PM
Chernoff just walked into the courtroom per TMZ -- has not seen Murray

BetteDavisEyes
11-07-2011, 04:55 PM
HLN now says less than 5 minutes.

momtective
11-07-2011, 04:56 PM
Can you post one for us?

I afraid I don't know how. I know I did one a couple of year ago but :doh: can't remember how I did it.

hollyblue
11-07-2011, 04:57 PM
Even TMZ is not close to how JVM behaves.

Right before this conversation on JVM began, I "said" Gee, don't "P" you pants Jane!" Fruitloop time.

Cortne
11-07-2011, 04:57 PM
I disliked Dr Drew very much over his coverage of FCA, but right now I loveee him.

MsFacetious
11-07-2011, 04:57 PM
They are waiting for Janet to arrive, I didn't think she was coming since she's performing in Sydney?

Australia to California and back... wow.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/janet-jackson-cancels-sydney-concert-20111106-1n1xx.html

SuziQ
11-07-2011, 04:58 PM
Before everything in the dentist office shut down, I caught the tail end of Jean C talking about her interview (today?) with Dr. Klein. She spoke about possible charges against him. Calif has a law where Drs. can be charged for prescribing to a known addict. Ala Anna N Smith. She pointed out that Calif prosecutors have not had much success in getting guilty verdicts.

LunaticFringe
11-07-2011, 04:58 PM
Wow,just watching the crowd outside the courthouse.There are some very strange people in Cali right now.Some are quite comical I will say.Michael Jackson did attract some whackadoo fans.

Hoping for a guilty verdict.

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:00 PM
They are waiting for Janet to arrive, I didn't think she was coming since she's performing in Sydney?

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/janet-jackson-cancels-sydney-concert-20111106-1n1xx.html

I thought she walked in with her parents, was that Latoya?

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:01 PM
I created a poll

What is your vote for jury verdict - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

momtective
11-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Poll Conrad Murray guilty/not guilty poll - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Figured it out.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:02 PM
HLN as well as TMZ -- Murray still not in courtroom

momtective
11-07-2011, 05:02 PM
I created a poll

What is your vote for jury verdict - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154047)

LOL I did too...I'll delete mine. Thank you for starting it.

MsFacetious
11-07-2011, 05:03 PM
I thought she walked in with her parents, was that Latoya?

Sorry for the confusion. Janet is in Australia. There was a rumor she might be here for the verdict.

https://twitter.com/#!/abc7MurrayTrial

I feel better... that would be quite a trip for Janet.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:03 PM
TMZ now reporting Murray has just pulled in

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Poll Conrad Murray guilty/not guilty poll - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154048)

Figured it out.

THANK YOU, momtective!... and thanx to Credence... FOR POSTING THE ~ GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY ~ POLL! :)

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:04 PM
I'm such a softie and a sucker -- drip, drip -- It sure would be nice, folks, if we could get in a circle, hold hands, close our eyes and squeeze the hands we're holding. And hold our breaths to invoke the spirit of Justice, the Blind Lady.

drip, drip

<gnaw, gnaw>http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Gee, I just went out for a few hours...anything new going on? :)

If you think your stomach is in knots, I guarantee you Walgren and Brazil are 1,000 times worse right now....

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:05 PM
LOL I did too...I'll delete mine. Thank you for starting it.

Oops sorry -- thought you did not know how to do it.

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Ohhhh, Conrad, baby -- How's your sphincter doin' Dude??!!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

MsFacetious
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Showing up LATE for your OWN verdict, is probably not the best form.

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Ohhhh, Conrad, baby -- How's your sphincter doin' Dude??!!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

They just said on ABClive that Murray's mom is with him.

And also NA with him.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Murray just walked into the courtroom

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:09 PM
Here's a good stream for the verdict for those not in front of a television.

http://www.rentadrone.tv/hln-live-stream-feed/

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:10 PM
They just said on ABClive that Murray's mom is with him.

And also NA with him.

Guess he needs support too...

momtective
11-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Oops sorry -- thought you did not know how to do it.

lol...I didn't, I had to search for instructions on how to do it. I tried to delete mine as soon as I saw yours but it won't let me. Sorry to have made such a mess...maybe a mod can clean it up. :wink:

Dum-Dum Sucker
11-07-2011, 05:12 PM
I'm eating cookies right now!

.

snip

Hoping for Justice for Michael!!

I'm eatin chocolate ice cream right now - straight out of the carton.

:panic:

Lera213
11-07-2011, 05:12 PM
I'll predict: Not Guility

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Poor JVM is getting squished out there - it looks like a madhouse! Glad I'm not there, and feel sorry for anyone has to go to the courthouse today. Egads!

cece5300
11-07-2011, 05:13 PM
The longer I wait, the more I eat! I'm anxious!

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Oh Gawd, that Jamie chick who used to be on CourTV is predicting a Not Guilty verdict. Geragos is on MSNBC also.

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:14 PM
I'm eatin chocolate ice cream right now - straight out of the carton.

:panic:


I've got my gold-covered chocolate coins from Israel -- yummy! And gone.....

BetteDavisEyes
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Insert your own word: The suspense is ________ me.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
I'm eatin chocolate ice cream right now - straight out of the carton.

:panic:

No ice cream or $200 cookies here.

So I'm settling for Chocolate Mini rice cakes.

Lera213
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
here we go

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Here we go........

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Here we go!!!!

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Oh dear god here we go

momtective
11-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Error on jury form.

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Here we go......

krimekat
11-07-2011, 05:16 PM
another one . . . here we go!

LaLaw2000
11-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Guilty -GOOD!!!!! Should have been 1st degree murder! MOO

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Guilty !!!!!!!!

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Guilty!!!

madge
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Guilty

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Guilty!

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Yay!!! An LA jury gets one right!!!!!!!!!!!!

cece5300
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
OMG!! Listen to the crowd!

krimekat
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Wow! But I gathered as much . . .

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:18 PM
who just yelped in the court room? Did you all hear that?

GreenTeam
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
So no Pinellasing with this jury?

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
GUILTY !!!!

Hoo- rayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::w oohoo:

octobermoon
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
Good job jury!!!

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
Thank ya jesussssssssssssssss

This is for YOU PRINCE PARIS AND BLANKET!!

Thank you jury!!

kljohnson0458
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Always was on th fence. A fair decision. Thank you jury for your service and the end result. MJ rest in peace now. Klein needs to be next. No fence sitting on that one IMO.

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
How soon before the defense files an appeal -- cuz I know that's the next move.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Murray looks like hell (he did when he walked into the courtroom). What a greedy fool he is; he should never get near another patient again. EVER.

cityslick
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
It's the right verdict.

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Justice has been served!

DollyPardonMe
11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
who just yelped in the court room? Did you all hear that?

It had to have been LaToya!

Plumeria5
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Way to go Walgren and Brazil!!
Walgren is sitting calmly hands folded on table but I am sure he wants to jump up and down!!

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
who just yelped in the court room? Did you all hear that?

I heard that. I couldn't tell if it was a Jackson being happy or the girlfriend being shocked.

The judge is reading that in CA a juror can't make a deal for an interview for 90 days after the verdict is read. Too bad Florida didn't have that rule.

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Murray looks like hell (he did when he walked into the courtroom). What a greedy fool he is; he should never get near another patient again. EVER.

As a felon, can he still practice medicine? Or will his medical license be revoked. I sure hope so -- it's not cool to kill someone under your watch.

MOO

Mel

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
This is how you do it Pinellas!!

CarolinaMoon
11-07-2011, 05:23 PM
Trying to tell my tummy it's time to stop churning.

passionflower
11-07-2011, 05:23 PM
It would be great if more greedy doctors were found guilty when they do use drugs like this for people and leave the room, to much negligance and not enough safety!
To much money...........CM lost his moral obligation.

my2sense
11-07-2011, 05:24 PM
who just yelped in the court room? Did you all hear that?

One of his women?

BetteDavisEyes
11-07-2011, 05:24 PM
The Jury has spoken: Guilty as charged. Case closed.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:24 PM
It looks like the deputies are waiting to take CM away!!!

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:25 PM
Ms. Nicole Alvarez will have to keep playing that instrument now if she wants to eat (and she will probably have to move).

See, jurors get it right most of the time! CA and OJ are aberrations. Always remember that.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:25 PM
One of his women?

Are they all there?

chefmom
11-07-2011, 05:25 PM
This is how you do it Pinellas!!

This judge did a good job, too. Just saying. jmo

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:26 PM
They're discussing setting a sentencing date now.

Dum-Dum Sucker
11-07-2011, 05:27 PM
:clap: Classiest, most awesome Judge in my recollection.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:27 PM
It looks like the deputies are waiting to take CM away!!!

He will be out the back door if they do, a la Lindsey Lohan. Sentencing to be in a few weeks. Were I the judge, I'd put him in jail for his own protection until then. But, I ain't the judge, and everything is weird in California (to me).

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:27 PM
CM surrounded by lots o deputies. Now conferring about sentencing date -- Chernoff is in a foul mood...obviously.

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:28 PM
They're discussing setting a sentencing date now.

Chernoff and Flannegan were on one side of Murray looking at a calendar (I assume), and first Chernoff rubbed his nose, Flannegan then ran his finger across his nose, and then Murray picked his nose.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank all of you for sharing this verdict with you. You are all a great bunch of people. I have been a member here for quite a while but did not post much so it was a pleasure!!!!! :rose:

octobermoon
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
I am going to miss Walgren ;)

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
This judge did a good job, too. Just saying. jmo

Indeed, he did. And so did the Heart Throb, David Walgren! Ooooh, asking to have CM remanded into custody!

CarolinaMoon
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
CM surrounded by lots o deputies. Now conferring about sentencing date -- Chernoff is in a foul mood...obviously.

That, plus, he has to ask Flannagan how they do these things in CA.

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
who just yelped in the court room? Did you all hear that?


Yeah, and did you see a deputy step in that direction? And then silence. Whew. He meant biznezz.

Hmmm. Sentencing will not be today.

Walgren asks for remand for Murray.

DollyPardonMe
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
You know it didn't really matter who was sitting in that defendants chair today. MJ was a drug addict. He was a drug addict long before Conrad Murray came into the picture. MJ has always been able to buy his way in and out of situations. This time he was in over his head. Everyone that worked for MJ was guilty of trying to please the King of Pop. MJ made sure he paid everyone well to satisfy his whims. Too bad this whim killed him and ruined the Life of a doctor who got caught up in something way over his head too!

legalmania
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
The prosecutor is asking for Murray to be remanded.

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:30 PM
Please cuff and take him!!

HRCODEPINK
11-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Woot!! That's all I have to say at the moment. :great:

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Ahahahaha! He's going to jail!

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:32 PM
"Family obligations," my toenail.

What a lot of nerve. Acccccchhhhh! Gag.

:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar


Yay!!!!!!

RR0004
11-07-2011, 05:32 PM
Wow...the Judge seems pi$$ed!

STEADFAST
11-07-2011, 05:32 PM
Wow, the talking heads on msnbc are furious. They're mad at the crowd for cheering at the verdict and they're calling the whole thing a circus and acting like Murray was only prosecuted because people want to watch a "blood sport." Only one guy has pointed out that a unanimous jury decided that Murray caused Michael Jackson's death. Odd. It's like they don't even consider that getting justice for a wrong is a good thing.

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:33 PM
Well the judge is really confusing me. I can't tell how he is going to remand. Sounds like he is but I dunno.

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:33 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss bammm jabb jabbbbb bottoms uppppp CONRAD

CarolinaMoon
11-07-2011, 05:33 PM
CM has to have time to put his "affairs" in order. :floorlaugh:

Wow! I'm surprised that Judge Pastor is going to remand him without bail. The public has to be protected. He's guilty of homicide based on criminal negligence. He's not sure that Dr. Murray would not be a flight risk because he is now a convicted felon and has ties outside the state.

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
In all honesty, I don't think CM will do any time. First time felon, Los Angeles - nahhh....he'll be out in a week...month max. He may also have the luxury of wearing a ankle monitor.

Asking to be remanded with no bail pending sentencing.

Good Lord - the judge is gonna send him to jail. I wasn't expecting that!

MOO

Mel

octobermoon
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Wow remanded.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Go to Jail do not collect $150,000.

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Well, now I think we just got a feel for how the judge feels about CM. He does not at all have a good opinion of CM, IMO

imawitch
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
woot go judge, no bail, cuff conrad up deputy..jmho

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Remanded in Sheriff's custody -- bail revoked

Public safety is of concern as well as ties outside of the US

Sentencing 11/29 8:30AM

joe jones
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
remanded into custody, no bail, well I guess the Judge is signalling that CM will not be getting off lightly as most thought,

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Way To Go ! - Judge Pastor!

You are so awesome!

Perfect on what the Judge Ordered For The Doctor!!!

RR0004
11-07-2011, 05:35 PM
He will be out the back door if they do, a la Lindsey Lohan. Sentencing to be in a few weeks. Were I the judge, I'd put him in jail for his own protection until then. But, I ain't the judge, and everything is weird in California (to me).
I agree...I'm more interested in his safety.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:35 PM
Watching him get cuffed was very satisfying, n'est-ce pas?

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:35 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss bammm jabb jabbbbb bottoms uppppp CONRAD

Boy it really sooks to be CM right now! Can CM get out of jail or is that it -- until sentencing? His poor baby mama must be having some serious fisties right now!

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:36 PM
I really was not expecting to see Murray leave the courtroom in handcuffs.

I wonder if Dr. White is watching this? What oh what will happen to the good Dr. White.

imawitch
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Boy it really sooks to be CM right now! Can CM get out of jail or is that it -- until sentencing? His poor baby mama must be having some serious fisties right now!

If I heard the judge right, no bail...he stays locked up until sentencing..jmo

kalekona
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Didn't see any other verdict, (for many reasons) but while Murry was MJ last Doctor he is hardly the most culpable.

Everyone around MJ except those 3 children are just as guilty as Murry- it was painfully obvious the Jackson was in trouble but no one stepped in to save him from himself.

Don't see Murry practicing medicine again. Ironically the man who let greed leaf his way is more than likely worse off financially now than he was before he went to work for Jackson- maybe that is the real Justice here.

21merc7
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Judge is worried CM would flee the country. Hence go to jail, no bond.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Go to Jail do not collect $150,000.

LMBO :floorlaugh: Thanks for lightening it up.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Wow what a madhouse outside.

gitana1
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Wow, the talking heads on msnbc are furious. They're mad at the crowd for cheering at the verdict and they're calling the whole thing a circus and acting like Murray was only prosecuted because people want to watch a "blood sport." Only one guy has pointed out that a unanimous jury decided that Murray caused Michael Jackson's death. Odd. It's like they don't even consider that getting justice for a wrong is a good thing.

Well, they are crazy. I like MSNBC but these talking heads are flat wrong. Too many "professionals" and other hangers on aid in the destruction of a life because they only care about money. This should have happened to Ann Nicole Smith's "lawyer" and many others as well. Yes, the drug addict has responsibility but when they are very famous and shielded from reality by wealth and the greed of those surrounding them, they are all the more vulnerable. I'm glad this guy was found guilty. We need more of that in these cases. Maybe Lohan's parents can be next.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Watching him get cuffed was very satisfying, n'est-ce pas?


Most definity!!

BetteDavisEyes
11-07-2011, 05:39 PM
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20111107/US.Michael.Jackson.Doctor/?cid=hero_media

Jackson doctor convicted in star's 2009 drug death

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP
16 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's doctor was convicted Monday of involuntary manslaughter after a trial that painted him as a reckless caregiver who administered a lethal dose of a powerful anesthetic that killed the pop star.

The verdict against Dr. Conrad Murray marked the latest chapter in one of pop culture's most shocking tragedies — the death of the King of Pop on the eve of the singer's heavily promoted comeback concerts.

The jury deliberated less than nine hours. The Houston cardiologist, 58, faces a sentence of up to four years in prison. He could also lose his medical license...

Melanie
11-07-2011, 05:39 PM
WTH is that stoopid woman doing there with that little baby in a crush of people. Please know that not all Southern Californians represent that crowd!!

peace9274
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Will David (notice we're on 1st name basis now) do a presser?

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:42 PM
Will David (notice we're on 1st name basis now) do a presser?

I wouldn't be surprised since he made a point to ask Judge Pastor if the gag order was lifted.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 05:43 PM
If I heard the judge right, no bail...he stays locked up until sentencing..jmo

Hopefully he will stay locked up for 4 years but I doubt it with good behavior and overcrowding.

octobermoon
11-07-2011, 05:43 PM
Will David (notice we're on 1st name basis now) do a presser?

I hope so. :blushing::innocent:

Thundar
11-07-2011, 05:44 PM
cnn/live has a sign up that says, "Jury Reaction Expected". Is the jury going to speak?

SAgal
11-07-2011, 05:44 PM
Was anyone else surprised at how quickly the three court room officers surrounded Conrad Murray to handcuff him; once Judge Pastor made his decision?

Wow!

zippitydoda
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
You know it didn't really matter who was sitting in that defendants chair today. MJ was a drug addict. He was a drug addict long before Conrad Murray came into the picture. MJ has always been able to buy his way in and out of situations. This time he was in over his head. Everyone that worked for MJ was guilty of trying to please the King of Pop. MJ made sure he paid everyone well to satisfy his whims. Too bad this whim killed him and ruined the Life of a doctor who got caught up in something way over his head too!

I heart you Dolly, but one word from CM and he would never have been in this position - the word is No. The oath CM took was "First do no harm". MJ is dead because of the actions CM took that day. MJ may very well have found someone else to do his bidding, but CM said yes, and now CM will pay for what he has done.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
Did anyone notice the person reading the verdict. They just replayed it and her her voice definitely cracked with emotion. I thought she was going to cry or perhaps she was!!!

Cortne
11-07-2011, 05:46 PM
I just heard the scream in the courtroom as they replay the verdict. I didnt hear it the first time over my own WHOOOP WHOOOPS.

I truly expected to be crying over a not guilty. Def didnt expect him to be cuffed and taken. Love the judge and jury.

I can finally shower. Praise god. Lol.

RR0004
11-07-2011, 05:47 PM
I'm glad that justice was meted out...but this is so sad. It shouldn't have happened. So senseless. This doctor knew this man needed help...he didn't deserve to die.

Credence
11-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Jean C saying it was LaToya you heard yelping

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:48 PM
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20111107/US.Michael.Jackson.Doctor/?cid=hero_media

Jackson doctor convicted in star's 2009 drug death

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP
16 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's doctor was convicted Monday of involuntary manslaughter after a trial that painted him as a reckless caregiver who administered a lethal dose of a powerful anesthetic that killed the pop star.

The verdict against Dr. Conrad Murray marked the latest chapter in one of pop culture's most shocking tragedies — the death of the King of Pop on the eve of the singer's heavily promoted comeback concerts.

The jury deliberated less than nine hours. The Houston cardiologist, 58, faces a sentence of up to four years in prison. He could also lose his medical license...

Linda Deutsch is the grande dame of crime reporters, now that Dominick Dunne has left us. Oh, how he would have loved to have covered this trial!

weedemout
11-07-2011, 05:49 PM
Was anyone else surprised at how quickly the three court room officers surrounded Conrad Murray to handcuff him; once Judge Pastor made his decision?

Wow!


YES! i was like DAMN! They must be mj fans! :floorlaugh: The judge had to tell them to hold off a sec.

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:52 PM
CM has to have time to put his "affairs" in order. :floorlaugh:

Wow! I'm surprised that Judge Pastor is going to remand him without bail. The public has to be protected. He's guilty of homicide based on criminal negligence. He's not sure that Dr. Murray would not be a flight risk because he is now a convicted felon and has ties outside the state.


I'll say again -- the Judge did not like that man. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif

I'm not surprised one bit. He has had, what? 2 years out on his own after what he did to that trusting man, his only patient.

No going home today, man!! -

Go directly to jail and do not collect $150,000.

Yes and yes. Thank you, jury and Lady Justice!

wallflower67
11-07-2011, 05:52 PM
Thank God for this verdict. i don't have to have another stroke like I did in July.

zippitydoda
11-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Linda Deutsch is the grande dame of crime reporters, now that Dominick Dunne has left us. Oh, how he would have loved to have covered this trial!

Vanity Fair is not the same with out Dominick Dunne, and he would have been a great voice during this and the OCA trial.

borndem
11-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Watching him get cuffed was very satisfying, n'est-ce pas?


Mais oui. And Hell, Yes!!!

TxLady2
11-07-2011, 05:56 PM
Was anyone else surprised at how quickly the three court room officers surrounded Conrad Murray to handcuff him; once Judge Pastor made his decision?

Wow!

No... I was surprised that he and the lawyers were not required to stand during the reading of the verdict, though. He looked so surprised that they cuffed him. Cherny had his back turned, but I think he might have been asking them, "Is this really necessary?"

Oh, and was that one of the Jacksons who cried out as soon as we heard "guilty?" Catherine perhaps? I cannot imagine how she is feeling. Sweet, sweet lady, I pray God will give her peace now.

Good job, Walgren! Good job, Judge!

RR0004
11-07-2011, 05:56 PM
Was 2 hour notice given?

legalmania
11-07-2011, 05:56 PM
I heart you Dolly, but one word from CM and he would never have been in this position - the word is No. The oath CM took was "First do no harm". MJ is dead because of the actions CM took that day. MJ may very well have found someone else to do his bidding, but CM said yes, and now CM will pay for what he has done.

Murray didn't do a lot of things, first call 911 right away, didn't tell the paramedics or the emergency room doctors about the propofol, he lied about sending the drugs to his girlfriends house, he didn't lock up the drugs. MJ was not a drug addict he suffered from a lot of pain. He had Demerol administrated during surgery to his face. If he was a drug addict he would have had a lot of pain medicine prescribed to him. He died of propofol and propofol only.

krimekat
11-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Murray will face sentencing on Tuesday November 29th, 2011. Prosecutor asked that he be immediately remanded, and the judge ruled in favor! He was put directly into custody without bail!

Talina
11-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Did I hear Beth Karas say she is waiting on jury interview to begin shortly??? DH was talking to me while she was talking so I didn't hear what all she said.

Breathe
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
According to HLN, Condrad's mother was given his clothes.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
I heard Chernoff was crying? What a loon. I suppose he thought this case was going to make him the next Racehorse Haynes or Dick Deguerin. Oh well, back to the court appointments for you, Ed. Hoped you enjoyed your stay at the Ritz Carlton.

RR0004
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
Ok...JC did her "I knew it was guilty" routine...the way no one looked at CM. When did I hear that before?! I guess the odds are 50/50, Jean.

BetteDavisEyes
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
Email update from my local news station:

Jury: Murray Guilty In Jackson Death

Dr. Conrad Murray was found guilty Monday of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. ...

MORE DETAILS: <http://www.clickondetroit.com/tu/631GorniK.html>

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 06:01 PM
According to HLN, Condrad's mother was given his clothes.

Those $185 ties can't be sitting all balled up in a prison locker somewhere! :innocent:

Talina
11-07-2011, 06:01 PM
DA giving press conference now.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:02 PM
ABC Live 7 Live stream is playing over and over the clip of convicted felon CM being handcuffed.

Such a good feeling each time I see that smug-faced, arrogant doctor get what he deserves!!


There is a presser right now with the prosecutors.... David Walgren & Deborah Brazil..

Dum-Dum Sucker
11-07-2011, 06:02 PM
He will be out the back door if they do, a la Lindsey Lohan. Sentencing to be in a few weeks. Were I the judge, I'd put him in jail for his own protection until then. But, I ain't the judge, and everything is weird in California (to me).

I assumed this would be the case as well, but Beth Karas just reported that the State of Calif must find a bed in the jail system for CM until his Nov 22 (?) sentencing,,,,,,,unlike Lindsey Lohan's ludicrous revolving door.

This is good news.

Breathe
11-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Is anyone else feeling over emotional? I wasn't expecting to feel like this. I can't imagine what it must be like for all those involved.

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Linda Deutsch is the grande dame of crime reporters, now that Dominick Dunne has left us. Oh, how he would have loved to have covered this trial!

I so agree with you but I have been following her reporting for for the past 7 years. If most had read her during the MJ molestation trial; they would have understood why the jury found him NG. She was the only one that reported both sides of the case.

Dum-Dum Sucker
11-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Did I hear Beth Karas say she is waiting on jury interview to begin shortly??? DH was talking to me while she was talking so I didn't hear what all she said.

Not that it's my business,,,,,,,,,but you should really train your DH better.

NO TALKING during Verdict Announcement.

Period.

:great:

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Is anyone else feeling over emotional? I wasn't expecting to feel like this. I can't imagine what it must be like for all those involved.

Actually I am not. Just feeling relieved. I was a nervous wreck prior to the verdict being read though.

Talina
11-07-2011, 06:06 PM
:banghead:Oh for Pete's sake. HLN breaks away from the DA press conference so they can show LaToya leaving the court room.

RR0004
11-07-2011, 06:06 PM
I really don't like JVM. This was not a sporting event. No winners here. Michael is still lost to the world...and more importantly...to his dear family.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Murray medical license automatically terminated.

TxLady2
11-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Murray didn't do a lot of things, first call 911 right away, didn't tell the paramedics or the emergency room doctors about the propofol, he lied about sending the drugs to his girlfriends house, he didn't lock up the drugs. MJ was not a drug addict he suffered from a lot of pain. He had Demerol administrated during surgery to his face. If he was a drug addict he would have had a lot of pain medicine prescribed to him. He died of propofol and propofol only.

It doesn't matter if he was addicted or not, Murray still should have never given him the propofol, it's a general anesthetic... not a sleep aid. Plus all the other drugs he was giving him, didn't he get a clue that he was overdosing him?? I mean geez, within hours he had been given a whole drug store full of crap!!

SAgal
11-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Is it just me....
When Jane Velez Mitchell is "screaming non-stop" and chasing down people, while sticking a microphone in their face; does anyone else feel like they're watching a "female-type Geraldo Rivera?"

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Murray medical license automatically terminated.

Yes! Murray committed criminal homicide. It should be.

Dum-Dum Sucker
11-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Wow, the talking heads on msnbc are furious. They're mad at the crowd for cheering at the verdict and they're calling the whole thing a circus and acting like Murray was only prosecuted because people want to watch a "blood sport." Only one guy has pointed out that a unanimous jury decided that Murray caused Michael Jackson's death. Odd. It's like they don't even consider that getting justice for a wrong is a good thing.

Well, alrighty then. Another reason to continue my 3-year boycott of MSNBC.
Thanks.

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Jackson Family 'Overjoyed' at Conrad Murray Guilty Verdict

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/jackson_dr_trial/jackson_family_says/jackson-family-overjoyed-at-guilty-verdict-20111107?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1d3n9fCNt

borndem
11-07-2011, 06:12 PM
YES! i was like DAMN! They must be mj fans! :floorlaugh: The judge had to tell them to hold off a sec.


They just have a "no foolin' around" attitude. And they also want to protect the convict as well. There are lots of nuts everywhere, and things can happen.

Did he pack a toothbrush??!!

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Well, alrighty then. Another reason to continue my 3-year boycott of MSNBC.
Thanks.

Worst cable network on IMO

legalmania
11-07-2011, 06:13 PM
It doesn't matter if he was addicted or not, Murray still should have never given him the propofol, it's a general anesthetic... not a sleep aid. Plus all the other drugs he was giving him, didn't he get a clue that he was overdosing him?? I mean geez, within hours he had been given a whole drug store full of crap!!

The best analogy that I heard was giving someone propofol as a sleep aid is equal to giving someone chemotherapy for a hair cut.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:14 PM
What? Chernoff & Flanagan aren't going to speak? But why?

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:15 PM
OK it was NOT LaToya who screamed out-- it was Rebbie Jackson's daughter per a fan in the courtroom

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:15 PM
What? Chernoff & Flanagan aren't going to speak? But why?

I read in Radar that neither side would speak unless it was favorable to their side.

RR0004
11-07-2011, 06:16 PM
It doesn't matter if he was addicted or not, Murray still should have never given him the propofol, it's a general anesthetic... not a sleep aid. Plus all the other drugs he was giving him, didn't he get a clue that he was overdosing him?? I mean geez, within hours he had been given a whole drug store full of crap!!
ITA
There are a lot of doctors out there who play fast and loose with people's lives...I've witnessed terrible mistakes by a few different doctors, mistakes that killed my mother, my brother, and my unborn child. Sure wish I could have seen each one of those doctors convicted and led away in handcuffs.
Let doctors everywhere take notice.
Peace to Michael's family.

HRCODEPINK
11-07-2011, 06:16 PM
What time did MJ have to put his affairs in order? What about his kids and his family?

weedemout
11-07-2011, 06:17 PM
I hope that someone has a video from channel 5 in los angeles. The whole thing . I really want to see it again.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:18 PM
TMZ just reported that Chernoff is about to come out & speak to reporters.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 06:18 PM
Worst cable network on IMO

I would strongly disagree with you on this one.

The talking heads who don't have their facts straight are spread across all the cable networks in this case though. Heck, I heard JoEllen Dimitrius say on CNN the other night that the experts in this case just "cancelled each other out". That told me that watching the case is not necessary to be a pundit.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 06:20 PM
TMZ just reported that Chernoff is about to come out & speak to reporters.

I hope he doesn't start crying again.

Cortne
11-07-2011, 06:22 PM
Murray medical license automatically terminated.

So Im wondering where we might be had Conrad just been honest at the time of Michaels death? Of course he could have avoided all this by not supplying and administering the drugs. If yanno he had been a true 'friend' to Michael.

Okay so.. wheres MJ? Will this please bring him back? So sad.

borndem
11-07-2011, 06:23 PM
Vanity Fair is not the same with out Dominick Dunne, and he would have been a great voice during this and the OCA trial.


You're right, zippity -- His charm, intelligence, and that little "je ne c'est quoi" that shows in his writing -- I enjoyed it, and I could usually tell that it was he who had written it -- just this little touch -- agree??

Breathe
11-07-2011, 06:24 PM
ITA
There are a lot of doctors out there who play fast and loose with people's lives...I've witnessed terrible mistakes by a few different doctors, mistakes that killed my mother, my brother, and my unborn child. Sure wish I could have seen each one of those doctors convicted and led away in handcuffs.
Let doctors everywhere take notice.
Peace to Michael's family.

I'm so sorry.... :grouphug:

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 06:25 PM
Ouch sounds like Chernoff and Flanagan's bad blood continues (Alan Duke just told story about Chernoff saying he's sure Flanagan will find his way to a camera). Strange. It seems like Flanagan's office, staff, etc. has been used by Chernoff all this time.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 06:26 PM
So Im wondering where we might be had Conrad just been honest at the time of Michaels death? Of course he could have avoided all this by not supplying and administering the drugs. If yanno he had been a true 'friend' to Michael.

Okay so.. wheres MJ? Will this please bring him back? So sad.

Nobody else will die because of Conrad Murray administering drugs that should be administered in a hospital.

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:26 PM
What? Chernoff & Flanagan aren't going to speak? But why?

According to Alan Duke, Chernoff did not even walk out with Flanagan. He was with the other attorney. Duke asked him if he was going to speak about what happened behind the scenes and Chernoff told him for now he was just concerned about Murray being in jail and will prepare for an appeal. He also said Flanagan was probably looking for a camera right now. :eek:

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 06:27 PM
Did anyone notice the person reading the verdict. They just replayed it and her her voice definitely cracked with emotion. I thought she was going to cry or perhaps she was!!!

I knew it was going to be guilty when she emphasized "WE" the jury.....

IMO

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:29 PM
TMZ just reported that Chernoff is about to come out & speak to reporters.

It looks like the reporters are packing up.

I guess Chernoff couldn't decide to speak or not.

Chernoff's MO is can't decide... (as in what to do, what to say, who to blame).


Or maybe Chernoff's going to speak... and the reporters could care less....
are going to pack up & leave anyway!!!

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:34 PM
I knew it was going to be guilty when she emphasized "WE" the jury.....

IMO

It would not have been "we the jury"... if they found him not guilty?

borndem
11-07-2011, 06:37 PM
How soon before the defense files an appeal -- cuz I know that's the next move.

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Tell us, Mel - IMWTK!! What's next??

borndem
11-07-2011, 06:43 PM
Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank all of you for sharing this verdict with you. You are all a great bunch of people. I have been a member here for quite a while but did not post much so it was a pleasure!!!!! :rose:


We couldn't have done it without you, Credence! Your little pearls here & there were enjoyed by me and, I'm sure all of us in this little Justice League Gang. Be proud of your bad self!!!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:seeya:

Melanie
11-07-2011, 06:44 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Tell us, Mel - IMWTK!! What's next??

I'm not sure how they're gonna get CM outta jail, but this is what Chernoff told reporters he was working on:

[Updated at 5:01 p.m. ET] Defense attorney Ed Chernoff told CNN he and his team have not yet decided whether they will appeal the jury's verdict.

Chernoff said right now the team is preparing for sentencing, noting their job right not was to make sure that Conrad Murray will not occupy a jail bed.

Chernoff added that he was not shocked by the verdict.

This is from CNN Just In site (so take it with a grain of salt):

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 06:47 PM
It would not have been "we the jury"... if they found him not guilty?

Yes, but the way she stressed "we" I knew he was going to be guilty.

It was like she wanted to stress that this jury didn't believe all the DT bullcrap.

Just my feeling. lol And she seemed very emotional when reading it.

IMO

Inspector Gidget
11-07-2011, 06:47 PM
I am happy to see CM behind bars and medical license gone.I wish it was a longer sentence
but at least he can't practice medicine.As far as I am concerned he took MJ's life.Conrad
Murray is now gone and Michael Jackson will live on~I want to cry,since this will not bring this kind soul back,however his music is here forever.You Are Not Alone

Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone - YouTube

borndem
11-07-2011, 06:50 PM
I am going to miss Walgren ;)


Who??


Of course, just kidding!! What a classy attorney -- he does bring that kind of "lawyering" up to a professional and admirable level. Sets the bar higher for others.

Yep, he's one of the good ones. And he dresses up nice, to boot. Purty, purty, purty. And that fire and passion in his eyes is so genuine. <drool>

I'll bet he's got a smile on his face right now as big as his state of California. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

thumbtack
11-07-2011, 06:51 PM
Will Murray be able to get any Propofol to sleep better in the clink?

peace9274
11-07-2011, 06:52 PM
I'm not sure how they're gonna get CM outta jail, but this is what Chernoff told reporters he was working on:

Defense attorney Ed Chernoff told CNN he and his team have not yet decided whether they will appeal the jury's verdict.

Chernoff said right now the team is preparing for sentencing, noting their job right not was to make sure [U]that Conrad Murray will not occupy a jail bed.

Chernoff added that he was not shocked by the verdict.

This is from CNN Just In site (so take it with a grain of salt):

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/

Underlined By Me

Where do they expect him to sleep? Where does Chernoff think CCM was taken after being hand-cuffed? The Ritz Carrolton???

legalmania
11-07-2011, 06:52 PM
I'm, hearing that Conrad will be held in a special holding cell. I'm sure a lot of prisoners would love the bragging rights of killing the guy found guilty of killing Michael Jackson.

Credence
11-07-2011, 06:58 PM
We couldn't have done it without you, Credence! Your little pearls here & there were enjoyed by me and, I'm sure all of us in this little Justice League Gang. Be proud of your bad self!!!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:seeya:

Well I can honestly say I have not laughed so much during a discussion in my life. I found myself reading your posts and literally cracking up. Thank YOU!!!!

Credence
11-07-2011, 07:01 PM
ITA
There are a lot of doctors out there who play fast and loose with people's lives...I've witnessed terrible mistakes by a few different doctors, mistakes that killed my mother, my brother, and my unborn child. Sure wish I could have seen each one of those doctors convicted and led away in handcuffs.
Let doctors everywhere take notice.
Peace to Michael's family.

Oh my -- I am sincerely sorry to read this. :( :rose:

Talina
11-07-2011, 07:02 PM
I have to add to the sentiments expressed. It has been a great pleasure to share this with all of you and thank goodness we got what I feel is a very just verdict.

Rest in Peace MJ.:heartbeat:

Isabelle
11-07-2011, 07:05 PM
I was seeing a patient and she had the station on when the verdict was read. When I got home, I had the pleasure of seeing the deputy place the handcuffs on Conrad!

Isabelle
11-07-2011, 07:07 PM
Lady Justice lives and breathes!

tezi
11-07-2011, 07:18 PM
I have to add to the sentiments expressed. It has been a great pleasure to share this with all of you and thank goodness we got what I feel is a very just verdict.

Rest in Peace MJ.:heartbeat:

Talina, it's been a pleasure sharing this trial with you. You did an awesome job! And I'd like to think I made a few new friends!

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 07:21 PM
So, the jurors won't be giving a presser?

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Where is Janet? Haven't seen her at all througout the trial.

peace9274
11-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Did everybody know this? I saw it at The Sun (UK) on-line. This was written the day before Day 1 of the CM Trial.

"On the defense team is veteran LA lawyer J. Michael Flanagan, who is more used to the limelight after
he defended singer Britney Spears on a hit-and-run driving rap in 2007 and got the case dismissed.

In 2004, he also defended a nurse accused of killing a patient by wrongly administering Propofol.

The nurse was accused of involuntary manslaughter — the same charge facing Murray — and acquitted.

Flanagan has said: "I'm probably the only attorney in town that has successfully tried a Propofol case involving death." "

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3835545/Crime-Thriller.html

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 07:30 PM
FYI, here's what the LA Times said about Juror #3, who turned out to be the foreperson:

"Juror No. 3 is a 45-year-old man who works as a partner in a management consulting firm. His wife is a former registered nurse, and both his brother-in-law and cousin are physicians. He also has relatives who are attorneys. He was seated on two previous juries, including a murder case in 1994. He does not consider himself a Jackson fan but watched "This Is It," the posthumous Jackson concert documentary, on Netflix out of curiosity."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/conrad-murray-trial-whos-who-in-the-jury.html

legalmania
11-07-2011, 07:31 PM
Talina, it's been a pleasure sharing this trial with you. You did an awesome job! And I'd like to think I made a few new friends!

Gee you make it sound so final, don't forget there is still the civil trial and WS has an awesome radio show on Sunday.

Talina
11-07-2011, 07:33 PM
Where is Janet? Haven't seen her at all througout the trial.

Janet was there a few times throughout the trial. She is on concert tour right now in Australia. She actually cancelled/postponed some of her concert dates last week and came back to be present for some of the trial and is now back out of the country again.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 07:46 PM
Yes, but the way she stressed "we" I knew he was going to be guilty.

It was like she wanted to stress that this jury didn't believe all the DT bullcrap.

Just my feeling. lol And she seemed very emotional when reading it.

IMO

I knew as soon as the Judge viewed the jury form. He had this satisfied look on his face. Gosh, I thought he was going to get up and hug the jurors one by one.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 07:46 PM
Oh geez, now Dr. Drew says an unintended consequence of this verdict may be that it's hard for celebrities to get doctors! Uh, no, maybe the high risk and nutty behaviors the doctors have been engaging in will STOP.

Talina
11-07-2011, 07:49 PM
Oh geez, now Dr. Drew says an unintended consequence of this verdict may be that it's hard for celebrities to get doctors! Uh, no, maybe the high risk and nutty behaviors the doctors have been engaging in will STOP.

Good grief. Well, Dr. Drew: the unintended consequence of a "not guilty" verdict could have been doctors and celebrities thinking it was open season and no holds barred - let the drugs flow freely.

Personally, I'll take the unintended of a guilty verdict if it means doctors and celebrities take a bit more caution in their drug use.

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 07:53 PM
I knew as soon as the Judge viewed the jury form. He had this satisfied look on his face. Gosh, I thought he was going to get up and hug the jurors one by one.

Well no one really knows the evidence any better than the Judge who has been assigned to the case since day one.

I didn't see Judge Pastor react though but anytime he sees justice served based on the evidence I am sure he is pleased like anyone else would be.

IMO

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 07:54 PM
Oh geez, now Dr. Drew says an unintended consequence of this verdict may be that it's hard for celebrities to get doctors! Uh, no, maybe the high risk and nutty behaviors the doctors have been engaging in will STOP.

Maybe they should go after pharmacists next. Michael had 19 aliases.

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 07:56 PM
Oh geez, now Dr. Drew says an unintended consequence of this verdict may be that it's hard for celebrities to get doctors! Uh, no, maybe the high risk and nutty behaviors the doctors have been engaging in will STOP.

Dr. Drew is a wimpy drama queen.

He bugs me as much as Jane does.

IMO

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 07:59 PM
Maybe they should go after pharmacists next. Michael had 19 aliases.

That is irrelevant to this case.

No other drugs were found in MJs system at the time of his death but what Murray prescribed and said he administered to him.

A lot of the bottles still had pills left in them and some were gotten way back in 2008.

Even the Judge in ANSs case said a doctor must treat someone that has legitimate pain or emotional issues.

Millions of people take meds for insomnia in our country.

IMO

Inspector Gidget
11-07-2011, 08:10 PM
I would like to say thank you to all for standing by this trial.I had to stop watching it hurt so bad to see how he was treated by so many that he trusted.You do not administer or hand someone drugs just because they can pay you lots of money.The tape of his voice and truckload of Propofol did me in,and I knew CM would be found guilty.I feel like MJ has been abused by so many because of his talent,money,and fame.I have been a fan as long as I can remember.I never believed any of the allegations,and others knew he was a kind and caring person.They took advantage of this,just like the ones that worked for him turned a blind eye to what was going on.Now he is finally at peace and can climb all the tree's he wants to,rest in peace Michael Joseph Jackson

Inspector Gidget
11-07-2011, 08:21 PM
Oh geez, now Dr. Drew says an unintended consequence of this verdict may be that it's hard for celebrities to get doctors! Uh, no, maybe the high risk and nutty behaviors the doctors have been engaging in will STOP.

Dr.Drew,ugh why is he selling his self out.He said that because doctors do stick together.That might put a damper in his Celebrity Rehab show wouldn't it, if Celebrities couldn't get a s....load of drugs from doctors.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 08:22 PM
Good grief. Well, Dr. Drew: the unintended consequence of a "not guilty" verdict could have been doctors and celebrities thinking it was open season and no holds barred - let the drugs flow freely.

Personally, I'll take the unintended of a guilty verdict if it means doctors and celebrities take a bit more caution in their drug use.

At least 3 of Dr. Drews celebrity rehab patients have died, and many others have been rearrested. So his method isn't perfect. IMO I don't think anything can stop someone with money, the individual has to want it.

Isabelle
11-07-2011, 08:30 PM
Did everybody know this? I saw it at The Sun (UK) on-line. This was written the day before Day 1 of the CM Trial.

"On the defense team is veteran LA lawyer J. Michael Flanagan, who is more used to the limelight after
he defended singer Britney Spears on a hit-and-run driving rap in 2007 and got the case dismissed.

In 2004, he also defended a nurse accused of killing a patient by wrongly administering Propofol.

The nurse was accused of involuntary manslaughter — the same charge facing Murray — and acquitted.

Flanagan has said: "I'm probably the only attorney in town that has successfully tried a Propofol case involving death." "

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3835545/Crime-Thriller.html

He failed to mention that the nurse he defended had her nursing license revoked because she was a danger to society and found incompetent!

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:31 PM
Maybe they should go after pharmacists next. Michael had 19 aliases.

If a drug sold by any retail pharmacies was responsible for Jackson's death, we might have something to discuss. Since, however, he died of acute propofol intoxication, not so much.

borndem
11-07-2011, 08:32 PM
Will David (notice we're on 1st name basis now) do a presser?


Well, just La Dee Da, Mzzz. Special Person!!!! :dramaqueen:


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Inspector Gidget
11-07-2011, 08:32 PM
At least 3 of Dr. Drews celebrity rehab patients have died, and many others have been rearrested. So his method isn't perfect. IMO I don't think anything can stop someone with money, the individual has to want it.


True fact,but we don't have to make it easy for them.Let them get on the street and hunt for it or cook it up in their own place.Either one is a bigger risk to get arrested
Example: Michael Douglas son

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 08:34 PM
That is irrelevant to this case.

No other drugs were found in MJs system at the time of his death but what Murray prescribed and said he administered to him.

A lot of the bottles still had pills left in them and some were gotten way back in 2008.

Even the Judge in ANSs case said a doctor must treat someone that has legitimate pain or emotional issues.

Millions of people take meds for insomnia in our country.

IMO

Not irrelevant at all. It's fact.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/entertainment/michaeljackson/main5195229.shtml

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:36 PM
I would like to say thank you to all for standing by this trial.I had to stop watching it hurt so bad to see how he was treated by so many that he trusted.You do not administer or hand someone drugs just because they can pay you lots of money.The tape of his voice and truckload of Propofol did me in,

This is precisely why I asked if the jury was holding a presser. I really would like to know what they thought of the various pieces of evidence. I suppose we'll see them soon though.

Also (too!) on NBC Nightly News, they showed a bit of an interview that Savanah Guthrie did with the Convicted Felon, which was to be shown this week! Somehow I was under the impression that the Judge's gag order extended to the Convicted Felon as well as the lawyers.

Talina
11-07-2011, 08:39 PM
This is precisely why I asked if the jury was holding a presser. I really would like to know what they thought of the various pieces of evidence. I suppose we'll see them soon though.

Also (too!) on NBC Nightly News, they showed a bit of an interview that Savanah Guthrie did with the Convicted Felon, which was to be shown this week! Somehow I was under the impression that the Judge's gag order extended to the Convicted Felon as well as the lawyers.

It most certainly did. When was the interview given?

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:40 PM
Oh my Dr. Alon Steinberg is on JVM's show.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 08:42 PM
True fact,but we don't have to make it easy for them.Let them get on the street and hunt for it or cook it up in their own place.Either one is a bigger risk.
Example: Michael Douglas son

I use to live in S. Florida where doctor shopping was out of control. The d.e.a. closed down clinic after clinic. Then they hooked up all the pharmacies computers so if they didn't catch you at the doctor they would probably get you at that pharmacy. I moved just as all this was going down, so I don't know how successful it has been.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 08:43 PM
At least 3 of Dr. Drews celebrity rehab patients have died, and many others have been rearrested. So his method isn't perfect. IMO I don't think anything can stop someone with money, the individual has to want it.

I agree. Drug addicts especially those with money will do anything to get their fix. It's a sad reality. Including making up aliases and going to numerous doctors.

Finding Dr. Murray guilty may be a step in the right direction but I don't think it solves the problem.

Heath Ledger

Amy Winehouse


And many more........

I don't see their doctors on trial. Why?

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:43 PM
It most certainly did. When was the interview given?

Unclear. Certainly before the verdict! Seriously, I don't really know; the part they showed was just her asking Murray what Jackson's last words were, and he said "Begging, just begging for his milk".

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:46 PM
I agree. Drug addicts especially those with money will do anything to get their fix. It's a sad reality. Including making up aliases and going to numerous doctors.

Finding Dr. Murray guilty may be a step in the right direction but I don't think it solves the problem.

Heath Ledger

Amy Winehouse


And many more........

I don't see their doctors on trial. Why?

Heath died in NYC, a different jurisdiction. Also, there is no evidence he was an addict or was Dr. Shopping, he just took the wrong combination of drugs. IIRC, his death was ruled "accidental" by the M.E.

Winehouse died of acute alcohol poisoning. No Dr. to prosecute there. Also, she died in London, also a different jurisdiction.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 08:48 PM
I use to live in S. Florida where doctor shopping was out of control. The d.e.a. closed down clinic after clinic. Then they hooked up all the pharmacies computers so if they didn't catch you at the doctor they would probably get you at that pharmacy. I moved just as all this was going down, so I don't know how successful it has been.

Horrifying statistic I heard on the CBS News last week:

89 Percent of the Oxycontin scripts written in the U.S. are written in Florida! 89 Percent!!!

Aghast
11-07-2011, 08:57 PM
>>>>>>running through the room>>>> Tossing cake pops and carrying balloons>>>>
Guilty! Whoooohoooo!

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 08:59 PM
Heath died in NYC, a different jurisdiction. Also, there is no evidence he was an addict or was Dr. Shopping, he just took the wrong combination of drugs. IIRC, his death was ruled "accidental" by the M.E.

Winehouse died of acute alcohol poisoning. No Dr. to prosecute there. Also, she died in London, also a different jurisdiction.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4240260&page=1

legalmania
11-07-2011, 09:02 PM
I agree. Drug addicts especially those with money will do anything to get their fix. It's a sad reality. Including making up aliases and going to numerous doctors.

Finding Dr. Murray guilty may be a step in the right direction but I don't think it solves the problem.

Heath Ledger

Amy Winehouse


And many more........

I don't see their doctors on trial. Why?

Actually I just heard Amy died from alcohol. A product that has been abused a lot longer than prescription drugs.

http://www.eonline.com/news/amy_winehouses_cause_of_death/271628

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 09:07 PM
Actually I just heard Amy died from alcohol. A product that has been abused a lot longer than prescription drugs.

Yes, yes, yes of course it was. :wink:

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 09:08 PM
Not irrelevant at all. It's fact.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/entertainment/michaeljackson/main5195229.shtml

Yes it is irrelevant to this case. None of those prescribed drugs were in MJs system at autopsy and these aliases were over a long period of time even back in 1993.

Using aliases in Hollywood is a common practice. Even the Judge in charge of the ANSs case stated it was a common practice and even commonly used in major hospitals to protect a star or entertainers privacy.

AND...........as noted in the old 2009 link....

"But this has been going on, not just with Drr. Murray, but literally dozens of other doctors. ... The LAPD and the coroner's office have quietly been going to other doctors. Subpoenas have been served. This is going to open up a massive investigation into what authorities believe could be gross fraudulent prescribing practices. There are a lot of people who are very nervous in Beverly Hills and west L.A. right now."

The DEA thoroughly investigated all of these doctors and none of them were charged with wrongdoing.



IMO

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 09:13 PM
Oh my Dr. Alon Steinberg is on JVM's show.

Well I hope like he** he can explain the medical evidence to Jane like she is a 5 year old because she has driven me batty every time she says she doesn't understand the evidence.:banghead:

borndem
11-07-2011, 09:15 PM
ABC Live 7 Live stream is playing over and over the clip of convicted felon CM being handcuffed.

Such a good feeling each time I see that smug-faced, arrogant doctor get what he deserves!!


There is a presser right now with the prosecutors.... David Walgren & Deborah Brazil..


"In The Jailhouse Now"

He's in the jailhouse now
He's in the jailhouse now
I told him once or twice
To quit playin' cards and shootin' dice*
He's in the jailhouse now



* he shoulda quit shootin' up MJ -- Just those 3 little words: "No, I won't"

from: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/inthejailhousenow.html

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Of course not. Giving 51 shots of demerol by a dermatologist is perfectly normal.

Inspector Gidget
11-07-2011, 09:24 PM
"In The Jailhouse Now"

He's in the jailhouse now
He's in the jailhouse now
I told him once or twice
To quit playin' cards and shootin' dice*
He's in the jailhouse now



* he shoulda quit shootin' up MJ -- Just those 3 little words: "No, I won't"

from: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/inthejailhousenow.html

Not only the jailhouse,but he will also be in the poor house especially after that Civil Suit from Mrs.Jackson rolls around

legalmania
11-07-2011, 09:26 PM
Horrifying statistic I heard on the CBS News last week:

89 Percent of the Oxycontin scripts written in the U.S. are written in Florida! 89 Percent!!!

I thought MJ would have some of that in his system or at least a prescription but I guess after he went to rehab for vicodin he knew he would have a problem with it. Seems like they are enjoying a little more than the sunshine in Fl. Here is an article about the oxy problem.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1981582,00.html

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 09:30 PM
Of course not. Giving 51 shots of demerol by a dermatologist is perfectly normal.

It didn't seem like 51 shots were entered in the court testimony but I am not a dermatologist so I certainly don't know what is within standard guidelines for a procedure that Klein said took from 3-6 hours to complete each time.

I had already heard before the trial began that Klein wasnt even in the US during the month of May and that is when the higher amounts of demoral were given during procedures. When he came back from Paris he was just doing final touch ups and decreased the demerol which was no longer needed in any significant amount.

No one that is addicted to demerol could go days or a week without it and MJ hadn't even seen DK in a week before he died.

All I know is all these doctors were thoroughly investigated by the DEA and the DEA said there would be no charges against any of them.

IMO

legalmania
11-07-2011, 09:32 PM
Of course not. Giving 51 shots of demerol by a dermatologist is perfectly normal.


That was over a certain time period. He was getting his nose, jaw, cheekbones, skin graphs all redone over a couple of months.

Crosby87
11-07-2011, 09:34 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4240260&page=1

Thank you for posting this link.

The reporter said the drugs Heath took impaired his brain stem function that controls breathing and he never woke up so this could have been happening to MJ too. Dr. Klein said Michael's nose and jawline collapsed and had to be rebuilt in the Spring of 2009 along with the skin on his face. Attending rehearsals after your face collapsed must have been terrifying. The coroner didn't note in the AR that MJ's nose and jawline was rebuilt and I wonder why. He only noted the scars along his nasal passages.

snipped

According to the medical examiner's office, Ledger took "prescribed therapeutic doses ... or less" of each medication he ingested. However, the medications were not meant to be taken together. The cumulative effect was that the actor's brain stem function that controls breathing was impaired and Ledger "fell asleep and never woke up."

In an interview with The New York Times in November, Ledger revealed that he was taking the sleep medication Ambien to get rest, but to no avail. He had thrown himself into his role as the Joker in "The Dark Knight," the latest film in the Batman franchise, scheduled for release this summer.

"Last week, I probably slept an average of two hours a night," he told the newspaper. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.''

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 09:38 PM
It didn't seem like 51 shots were entered in the court testimony but I am not a dermatologist so I certainly don't know what is within standard guidelines for a procedure that Klein said took from 3-6 hours to complete each time.

I had already heard before the trial began that Klein wasnt even in the US during the month of May and that is when the higher amounts of demoral were given during procedures. When he came back from Paris he was just doing final touch ups and decreased the demerol which was no longer needed in any significant amount.

No one that is addicted to demerol could go days or a week without it and MJ hadn't even seen DK in a week before he died.

All I know is all these doctors were thoroughly investigated by the DEA and the DEA said there would be no charges against any of them.

IMO


No unfortunately there is very little the Judge allowed in.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 09:38 PM
It didn't seem like 51 shots were entered in the court testimony but I am not a dermatologist so I certainly don't know what is within standard guidelines for a procedure that Klein said took from 3-6 hours to complete each time.

I had already heard before the trial began that Klein wasnt even in the US during the month of May and that is when the higher amounts of demoral were given during procedures. When he came back from Paris he was just doing final touch ups and decreased the demerol which was no longer needed in any significant amount.

No one that is addicted to demerol could go days or a week without it and MJ hadn't even seen DK in a week before he died.

All I know is all these doctors were thoroughly investigated by the DEA and the DEA said there would be no charges against any of them.

IMO

The judge didn't think Dr. Klein was relevant to the case either as he denied the motion for Dr. Klein to testify but found his medical records relevant, and allowed that evidence in.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 09:44 PM
Thank you for posting this link.

The reporter said the drugs Heath took impaired his brain stem function that controls breathing and he never woke up so this could have been happening to MJ too. Dr. Klein said Michael's nose and jawline collapsed and had to be rebuilt in the Spring of 2009 along with the skin on his face. Attending rehearsals after your face collapsed must have been terrifying.

snipped

According to the medical examiner's office, Ledger took "prescribed therapeutic doses ... or less" of each medication he ingested. However, the medications were not meant to be taken together. The cumulative effect was that the actor's brain stem function that controls breathing was impaired and Ledger "fell asleep and never woke up."

In an interview with The New York Times in November, Ledger revealed that he was taking the sleep medication Ambien to get rest, but to no avail. He had thrown himself into his role as the Joker in "The Dark Knight," the latest film in the Batman franchise, scheduled for release this summer.

"Last week, I probably slept an average of two hours a night," he told the newspaper. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.''

Very possible but we will never know because this chapter is now closed shut. Conrad Murray will be forever known as Michael Jackson's killer.

Apparently what others did to him is irrelevant.

The good news is the Jacksons are united. Joe Jackson happily waving to the fans with Katherine by his side.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 09:46 PM
A jury made up of Michael Jackson fans. Priceless.

legalmania
11-07-2011, 09:48 PM
Yes it is irrelevant to this case. None of those prescribed drugs were in MJs system at autopsy and these aliases were over a long period of time even back in 1993.

Using aliases in Hollywood is a common practice. Even the Judge in charge of the ANSs case stated it was a common practice and even commonly used in major hospitals to protect a star or entertainers privacy.

AND...........as noted in the old 2009 link....

"But this has been going on, not just with Drr. Murray, but literally dozens of other doctors. ... The LAPD and the coroner's office have quietly been going to other doctors. Subpoenas have been served. This is going to open up a massive investigation into what authorities believe could be gross fraudulent prescribing practices. There are a lot of people who are very nervous in Beverly Hills and west L.A. right now."

The DEA thoroughly investigated all of these doctors and none of them were charged with wrongdoing.



IMO

I know Gene Simmons uses several aliases when traveling to have some privacy and Gene has not been know for drug or alcohol use.

Isabelle
11-07-2011, 09:48 PM
Very possible but we will never know because this chapter is now closed shut. Conrad Murray will be forever known as Michael Jackson's killer.

Apparently what others did to him is irrelevant.

The good news is the Jacksons are united. Joe Jackson happily waving to the fans with Katherine by his side.

What a legacy! And not one to be proud of !

oceanblueeyes
11-07-2011, 09:52 PM
No unfortunately there is very little the Judge allowed in.

I'm not sure what you mean?

Frankly I don't even know why Judge Pastor allowed in three months of treatment from Klein since MJ didn't even have any Demerol in his system at the time he died.:waitasec:

IMO

Crosby87
11-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Don't know if you heard the Judge ask the Prosecutors and Chernoff if there is anything further after Murray left the courtroom but Flannigan approached the Judge and asked if he could appear for Dr. White at the hearing on the 16th of November and the Judge said no.

Talina
11-07-2011, 10:17 PM
Don't know if you heard the Judge ask the Prosecutors and Chernoff if there is anything further after Murray left the courtroom but Flannigan approached the Judge and asked if he could appear for Dr. White at the hearing on the 16th of November and the Judge said no.

As in appearing for him instead of Dr. White having to appear? If so, I'm glad the judge said no. Dr. White should have to show up in person and face the music.

IMO

Crosby87
11-07-2011, 10:21 PM
According to CNN, Dr. Murray’s mother, daughter, and girlfriend Nicole Alverez were in the courtroom when the verdict was read and NA told Dr. Murray she loves him as he exited the Courtroom.

Today was the first and only time I heard Conrad Murray's daughter ever attended her father's trial. I'm not sure how old his daughters are but I guestimate they are both adults.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-denied-bail.cnn

borndem
11-07-2011, 10:26 PM
Not only the jailhouse,but he will also be in the poor house especially after that Civil Suit from Mrs.Jackson rolls around


Does Dr. Convict Murray actually have any assets? A car, I guess (paid for?); his house was foreclosed & sold at auction, IIRC; what else?

And whence the $$ to pay those lawyers of his?? Did he have that kind of money lying around? It's usually cash & carry with defense cases -- up front money -- from where? And what was the fee from each? Gotta be at least $100,000 for each of them, and that's a low, seems to me. I just would like to know, now that we're in "easy street" mode. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

And I wonder, now that it's 9:30m EST, if Convict has made friends with his bunk mate yet. Showered?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

Crosby87
11-07-2011, 10:31 PM
As in appearing for him instead of Dr. White having to appear? If so, I'm glad the judge said no. Dr. White should have to show up in person and face the music.

IMO

Just fast forward to the 5:00 mm right at the end of this video to hear Mr. Flannigan ask Judge Pastor if he can appear for Dr. White. Maybe the defense wanted to avoid paying Dr. White's travel costs. Mr. Flannigan should ask if Dr. White can appear by video LOL.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-denied-bail.cnn

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 10:36 PM
Very possible but we will never know because this chapter is now closed shut. Conrad Murray will be forever known as Michael Jackson's killer.

Apparently what others did to him is irrelevant.

The good news is the Jacksons are united. Joe Jackson happily waving to the fans with Katherine by his side.

It was irrelevant to MJ's death. And Conrad Murray will be forever known as having caused the death of Michael Jackson because he did.

If you think for one minute parents who had a son die in this horrific manner are celebrating or happy, I don't know what to say. They were relieved that justice was done. They are relieved this horrible trial didn't have to be redone because a jury couldn't reach a verdict. They are relieved that there is a modicum of justice, but they still lost their son. Casting aspersions on the parents and family for their reaction to this verdict is pretty indefensible, in my opinion.

outofstatelawyer
11-07-2011, 10:40 PM
Does Dr. Convict Murray actually have any assets? A car, I guess (paid for?); his house was foreclosed & sold at auction, IIRC; what else?

And whence the $$ to pay those lawyers of his?? Did he have that kind of money lying around? It's usually cash & carry with defense cases -- up front money -- from where? And what was the fee from each? Gotta be at least $100,000 for each of them, and that's a low, seems to me. I just would like to know, now that we're in "easy street" mode. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

And I wonder, now that it's 9:30m EST, if Convict has made friends with his bunk mate yet. Showered?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

He had to have gotten an advance from the documentary folks to pay for the defense. I'll bet Chernoff is out the money he spent on hotels and meals, when all is said and done.

Murray's house went to foreclosure, he owes his various baby mamas a great deal of back due child support, and that car he was driving around LA (remember the cops towing it ?) was registered to Murray's sister in Houston. I don't think he has much to his name, except maybe those $185 ties and the fancy suits.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 10:45 PM
According to CNN, Dr. Murray’s mother, daughter, and girlfriend Nicole Alverez were in the courtroom when the verdict was read and NA told Dr. Murray she loves him as he exited the Courtroom.

Today was the first and only time I heard Conrad Murray's daughter ever attended her father's trial. I'm not sure how old his daughters are but I guestimate they are both adults.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-denied-bail.cnn

My heart breaks for his mom. Imagine how proud she was when he became a doctor and look at what she had to witness today in court. Her son being handcuffed and taken away to jail.

~n/t~
11-07-2011, 10:52 PM
It was irrelevant to MJ's death. And Conrad Murray will be forever known as having caused the death of Michael Jackson because he did.

If you think for one minute parents who had a son die in this horrific manner are celebrating or happy, I don't know what to say. They were relieved that justice was done. They are relieved this horrible trial didn't have to be redone because a jury couldn't reach a verdict. They are relieved that there is a modicum of justice, but they still lost their son. Casting aspersions on the parents and family for their reaction to this verdict is pretty indefensible, in my opinion.




A smiling La Toya Jackson told E! News that she was "very happy" with the guilty verdict for Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol


"Yes," Jermaine Jackson said simply when asked if Murray's conviction made him happy.




Katherine told reporters that she was “very happy with the verdict” and Michael’s brothers and sisters agreed.


Michael Jackson's Family "Very Happy" With Conrad Murray Conviction



http://ca.eonline.com/news/michael_jacksons_family_very_happy_with/273756?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/katherine-jackson-very-happy-with-conrad-murray-guilty-verdict