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wfgodot
11-05-2011, 03:46 PM
Penn State’s AD Charged With Perjury In Child Sex Case Against Former Paterno Assistant (http://deadspin.com/5856711/penn-states-ad-charged-with-perjury-in-connection-with-child-sex-case-against-former-paterno-assistant) (Deadspin)
Ex-Penn St. defensive coordinator charged in child sex case (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/05/penn.state.sandusky.child.sex.case.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp) (Sports Illustrated)
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- A former defensive coordinator who was integral for decades to Penn State's success in football was accused Saturday of sexually abusing eight boys, and the school's athletic director and an administrator were charged with perjury and failing to report what they knew about the allegations in a case that prosecutors said uncovered a years-long trail of a predator and those who protected him.
Former coach Jerry Sandusky, 67, of State College, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, the state attorney general's office said. Athletic director Tim Curley, 57, and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, both of Boalsburg, were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department.
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more at link above
Former Paterno Assistant Indicted On Charges Of "Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse," Among Other Things (http://deadspin.com/5856613/former-penn-state-coach-under-paterno-indicted-on-charges-of-deviate-sexual-intercourse-among-other-things) (Deadspin)
Child sex charges filed against Jerry Sandusky; two top Penn State University
officials charged with perjury & failure to report suspected child abuse (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270)
(lengthy press release detailing specific acts and charges, from Pennsylvania Atty General's office)
J. J. in Phila
11-05-2011, 06:35 PM
Grand jury report: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_a_penn_state_un.html
wfgodot
11-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Huge story; the outrage is still outpouring:
Penn State’s insufficient action amid child sex allegations stunning (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511) (Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports)
Chili Fries
11-05-2011, 06:40 PM
I just read the grand jury's report (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf) and it made me sick. In 2002 Sandusky was seen by a football team graduate assistant raping a child, who appeared to be about 10 years old, in the showers of the Penn State athletic facility. The graduate assistant called his dad, who told him to come home and later tell the football coach, Joe Paterno. Paterno was told, so he went to the Athletic Director. The AD, Curley, and university Vice Pres, Schultz, had meetings with the graduate assistant and with Paterno. NOBODY went to the police...not the graduate assistant, his dad, Paterno, Curley or Schultz. Only Curley and Schultz are in legal jeopardy because it appears they lied to the grand jury but as far as I'm concerned everybody who knew about it is culpable. Sandusky went on abusing kids for years after that.
I have no doubt that Sandusky received very preferential treatment from Penn State staff because of his history at the university. He was even allowed continuing use of the Penn State facilities even though he was supposedly banned. The guy had proved he was a creep over and over and just got enabled. At least the school district he worked for cut their ties with him when their staff became aware of his suspicious behavior.
wfgodot
11-05-2011, 06:53 PM
Two tweets from one of my favorite sports columnists:
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
RT @SPORTSbyBROOKS: June 1998: PSU discovers Sandusky showering w/kids. Dec. 1998: PSU pays 4 child rape victim 2 accompany Sandusky 2 Bowl
33 minutes ago
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
Timeline @SPORTSbyBROOKS is filled with shocking details. Worth a look. JoPa must go today! It's O V E R.
26 minutes ago
From Dan Wetzel's Yahoo! Sports article linked above:
It is actually even more than that, a stomach-turning 23-page grand jury report that could be the ugliest scandal in the history of college athletics.
The failure of Penn State officials to call in the proper authorities potentially allowed the alleged sexual predator to live free for an additional nine-and-a-half years
Filly
11-05-2011, 07:17 PM
Second Mile Foundation. At risk youth.
Just came back to remove the link to this charitable orginization. The last thing at risk youth need is to be put at more risk.
Just noting that Dottie Huck who is a member of Second Mile says we should help Mr. Sandusky. He made a mistake. As usual someone mentions all the good a pedophile has done as if it outweighs the seuxal and mental abuse of children.
Dottie, a mistake is missing your alarm clock. A mistake doesn't ruin the lives of children and their families. A mistake doesn't have children up until adulthood doubting the dang human race thanks to people like this pedophile.
"Jer's law". In his biography it's obvious this guy lied his tail off. "Touched". I don't plan to read it.
How the heck did he get to adopt a child out of foster care from this orginization? As an adult none the less.
FLmom777
11-05-2011, 07:25 PM
I subscribe to Rivals sports forums. I just went to the Penn State forum. One father write that he sent his son to football camps put on by this predator twice and it was a good experience. I urged him to talk to his son. He could be a victim or a witness.
I don't know how Joe Paterno avoided prosecution. He failed to report this to le, and allowed this guy further access to football facilities for years after, accompanied by young boys. This dates back to before 1998. That was when he was 1st investigated by the u, yet the grad assistant witnessed this in 2002, 4 years later.
wfgodot
11-05-2011, 07:35 PM
Again from Yahoo! Sports's Dan Wetzel, link above:
Instead, thus far, all we’ve gotten is a pathetic statement from [PSU President Graham] Spanier who quite incredibly deemed Sandusky’s charges as merely “troubling” (and said little more) and then expressed continued support for Curley and Schultz.
“The allegations about a former coach are troubling, and it is appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly,” the statement read. “Protecting children requires the utmost vigilance … I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support.”
Really, that’s it? That’s what the guy who is running Penn State has to say? That’s all he thought was appropriate?
wfgodot
11-05-2011, 08:44 PM
Sunday Mail has picked this one up quickly:
Former Penn State football coach arrested for sexually abusing EIGHT young boys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058069/Former-Penn-State-football-coach-arrested-sexually-abusing-EIGHT-young-boys.html)
It's the most recent AP article plus pictures.
Missizzy
11-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Disgusting story. You know what, though? When I read the details, I could have sworn that I'd read another story which was almost identical. I did some research and discovered that the other case concerns Edward Kramer, best known from Dragon Com. We have a thread:
Founder Of DragonCon Arrested In Motel With Boy Despite His Bad Spine - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
It's so distressing that a man's position and reputation cause others to look away, when it's clear that something horrid is taking place. Where is their compassion for the children?
Mr. Kramer has avoided prosecution for over a decade, pleading health problems. So many others knew just what was going on and deemed it not serious enough to report, very similar to Sandusky's case.
SHAME on all these men. To stand by in silence while a child's life is destroyed.....
FLmom777
11-05-2011, 09:52 PM
Grand jury report: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_a_penn_state_un.html It does make you wonder if there is a connection.
J. J. in Phila
11-05-2011, 10:19 PM
It does make you wonder if there is a connection.
Yes, it certainly does, on several levels.
Dr.Fessel
11-05-2011, 10:31 PM
What is the President of Penn State doing? Trying to destroy his school backing these liars?
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/penn-state-prez-offers-unconditional-support-to-ad/related/
Posted by John Taylor on November 5, 2011, 2:06 PM EDT
Push Broom
If you were curious as to where Penn State’s top administrator stood on his athletic director’s impending arrest, wonder no longer.
In a statement, PSU president Graham Spanier expressed unconditional support for AD Tim Curley as well as another top school official, who have both been charged with perjury and failure to report suspected sexual abuse of a minor. Former Nittany Lions assistant Jerry Sandusky was indicted by a grand jury Friday on 40 counts involving alleged sexual activity with children; Curley and PSU vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz testified in front of the grand jury last January and, per the charges, perjured themselves as well as failed to report suspected sexual abuse to the authorities.
Filly
11-05-2011, 11:41 PM
Hindsight and being 20/20. Especially the human part and Saint part and even scarier the last line.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017979/index.htm
BTW, on the Second Mile site under the history section I guess they'll have to leave it as is considering the man did find the foster home. However, ummmmmmm walking his path?
BrownRice
11-06-2011, 07:52 AM
This is so disturbing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-coach-jerry-sandusky-arrested-child-sex-case-ad-tim-curley-charged-perjury-article-1.972670
In the article above, it states a grad student witnessed Sandusky molesting a child in a locker room and went to the school authorities (with his father) and apparently no action was really taken. It makes me wonder why they didn't go directly to the police? Actually witnessing child abuse like that is definitely worthy of police involvement.
BrownRice
11-06-2011, 07:53 AM
Second Mile Foundation. At risk youth.
Just came back to remove the link to this charitable orginization. The last thing at risk youth need is to be put at more risk.
Just noting that Dottie Huck who is a member of Second Mile says we should help Mr. Sandusky. He made a mistake. As usual someone mentions all the good a pedophile has done as if it outweighs the seuxal and mental abuse of children.
Dottie, a mistake is missing your alarm clock. A mistake doesn't ruin the lives of children and their families. A mistake doesn't have children up until adulthood doubting the dang human race thanks to people like this pedophile.
"Jer's law". In his biography it's obvious this guy lied his tail off. "Touched". I don't plan to read it.
How the heck did he get to adopt a child out of foster care from this orginization? As an adult none the less.
In one of the Pennlive links posted in this thread, Ms. Dottie actually refers to it as a LITTLE mistake. I hope she is removed from the Board today.
wfgodot
11-06-2011, 10:31 AM
An excellent and lengthy summary of the case up till now:
A Guide To The Child Sexual Abuse Charges Against Jerry Sandusky, And To Penn State’s Alleged Willful Ignorance (http://deadspin.com/5856777/a-guide-to-the-sexual-child-abuse-charges-against-jerry-sandusky-and-to-penn-states-alleged-willful-ignorance) (Deadspin)
JoeFromLB
11-06-2011, 10:39 AM
It does make you wonder if there is a connection.
Gricar had final say in ending inquiry
http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/06/2976046/gricar-had-final-say-in-ending.html
Kinalyn
11-06-2011, 12:25 PM
As someone who lives here, I can tell you that the high and mighty Penn State will do anything and everything to cover up a scandal. The grad assistant SHOULD have reported what he say to the State Police (not University Police) rather than Paterno right from the get go. But, sadly, that's not how things are done on campus. They have their own little world and do things their own way, because they can. Don't be surprised if Spanier gets some charges thrown his way here soon....
wfgodot
11-06-2011, 12:44 PM
Two more worth-reading sex scandal articles:
The question we are all asking: why didn't anyone help? (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-sexual-abuse-scandal-tim-curley-gary-schultz-how-could-administration-let-it-happen110511) (Greg Couch, Fox Sports)
Indictment of former Penn State coach on sex-abuse charges could bring down Paterno (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20111106_Bob_Ford__Vick_a_factor_in_McCoy_s_emerge nce.html) (Bob Ford, philly.com)
Kinalyn
11-06-2011, 01:15 PM
I think that Paterno will decide that he's finally ready to "retire"
Also an interesting tidbit for you, when this initally came out years ago, it was kept out of the media. Our local paper had it headlined for like 5 seconds and then it was gone. All to protect the PSU legacy, not to mention the millions of dollars in alumni support...
I'm ashamed to be a graduate of Penn State.
BrownRice
11-07-2011, 08:39 AM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_states_curley_schultz_are.html
Pittsburgh lawyer Thomas J. Farrell, who represents Schultz, said on Sunday that the law requiring some school officials and others to report suspected child abuse does not apply to his client.
Farrell said the mandated reporting rules only apply to people who come into direct contact with children. He also said the statute of limitations for the summary offense with which Schultz is charged is two years, so it expired in 2004.
The law “applies only to children under the care and supervision of the organization for which he works, and that’s Penn State. It’s not The Second Mile,” Farrell said of his client. “This child, from what we know, was a Second Mile child.”
How do these administrators and lawyers sleep at night? Seriously. Finding the infamous loophole to hide under. What about acting with honor, integrity, and responsibility as a decent human being? Since the children were not associated with Penn State, they were not required to save them from this monster. I am so disgusted with this story.
And (again) I'm perplexed about the graduate assistant, who according to the grand jury report, witnessed Sandusky RAPING a child in the shower. When he and his father reported this to the school and could see criminal charges were not filed, why didn't they go to the police and follow this through to the end?
Sandusky is a text-book predator. And a lucky one at that. If just ONE person who was aware of what he did stood up to him and the PSU administration and went to the police and didn't stop until something was done, some of these children could have been saved. But, these were under-privileged kids from single-parent homes, foster homes, presumably minority kids. Who cares. They are unworthy of saving. This is the message I hear loudly.
I am repulsed.
Steely Dan
11-07-2011, 08:42 AM
I subscribe to Rivals sports forums. I just went to the Penn State forum. One father write that he sent his son to football camps put on by this predator twice and it was a good experience. I urged him to talk to his son. He could be a victim or a witness.
I don't know how Joe Paterno avoided prosecution. He failed to report this to le, and allowed this guy further access to football facilities for years after, accompanied by young boys. This dates back to before 1998. That was when he was 1st investigated by the u, yet the grad assistant witnessed this in 2002, 4 years later.
The graduate student and Paterno should be charged as well, JMO. Why he didn't walk out of the shower and call police immediately is beyond reasoning. He should have then walked into the shower and screamed at Sandusky to stop it right then. Paterno and the GS need to be indicted too, JMO.
This is so disturbing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-coach-jerry-sandusky-arrested-child-sex-case-ad-tim-curley-charged-perjury-article-1.972670
In the article above, it states a grad student witnessed Sandusky molesting a child in a locker room and went to the school authorities (with his father) and apparently no action was really taken. It makes me wonder why they didn't go directly to the police? Actually witnessing child abuse like that is definitely worthy of police involvement.
I totally agree.
BrownRice
11-07-2011, 08:53 AM
The graduate student and Paterno should be charged as well, JMO. Why he didn't walk out of the shower and call police immediately is beyond reasoning. He should have then walked into the shower and screamed at Sandusky to stop it right then. Paterno and the GS need to be indicted too, JMO.
But charged with what? With this convenient little loophole, they are free to walk away with no liability apparently. I would hope they resign due to the shame they should feel. JoPa is way past his retirement anyways, but has an ego bigger than PA so I can't see him going anywhere voluntarily.
Steely Dan
11-07-2011, 08:56 AM
But charged with what? With this convenient little loophole, they are free to walk away with no liability apparently. I would hope they resign due to the shame they should feel. JoPa is way past his retirement anyways, but has an ego bigger than PA so I can't see him going anywhere voluntarily.
You're right, but that loophole needs to be closed and the statute of limitations extended. JMO
believe09
11-07-2011, 09:04 AM
A shout out to law enforcement in PA in general-in the last several years they have been shining a bright spotlight on this kind of serial abuse. Between the Catholic bishops and Sandusky, I think they are proving there are no sacred cows in their quest.
As to the fact that Penn State is paying for the legal defense of those who were completely complicit in this cover up, and those who have been proven to have lied to the grand jury investigating it-I cant help but believe there is going to be tremendous pressure to cut them all loose.
If I were a Penn state grad, I would be making quite a few phone calls fwiw.
believe09
11-07-2011, 09:06 AM
Second Mile Foundation. At risk youth.
Just came back to remove the link to this charitable orginization. The last thing at risk youth need is to be put at more risk.
Just noting that Dottie Huck who is a member of Second Mile says we should help Mr. Sandusky. He made a mistake. As usual someone mentions all the good a pedophile has done as if it outweighs the seuxal and mental abuse of children.
Dottie, a mistake is missing your alarm clock. A mistake doesn't ruin the lives of children and their families. A mistake doesn't have children up until adulthood doubting the dang human race thanks to people like this pedophile.
"Jer's law". In his biography it's obvious this guy lied his tail off. "Touched". I don't plan to read it.
How the heck did he get to adopt a child out of foster care from this orginization? As an adult none the less.
Here, Here. I knew you would have this covered Filly.
Kinalyn
11-07-2011, 09:25 AM
Paterno's full statement: "I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents..."
This is an interesting read if you haven't seen it yet...
http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/06/2976787/paternos-full-statement-i-would.html
Tipstaff
11-07-2011, 09:36 AM
The Grad Student is now the Defensive Coordinator for Penn State Football!
Update The Grad Student is now the Wide Receivers Coach and Recruiting Coordinator.
Tipstaff
11-07-2011, 09:42 AM
Sandusky may have retired but he still had access to an office, all football events, parking, telephone, and his family still had all the benefits granted to faculty!
Way more to this story.
When Paterno saw Sandusky continue his behavior and having young men around him, taking them to dinners and out of town games and to Tofftrees (where the Penn State players stayed prior to games ) Paterno was morally responsible, at a minimum to follow up. A pedofile/rapist and JoPa looks the other way for years and years.
Paterno has stayed to long at the dance IMO he will now go in disgrace.
Sorry - this Grad Student is now the Wide Receivers Coach and Recruiting Coordinator.
wfgodot
11-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Paterno must go, Spanier must go.
Tipstaff
11-07-2011, 11:18 AM
A shout out to law enforcement in PA in general-in the last several years they have been shining a bright spotlight on this kind of serial abuse. Between the Catholic bishops and Sandusky, I think they are proving there are no sacred cows in their quest.
As to the fact that Penn State is paying for the legal defense of those who were completely complicit in this cover up, and those who have been proven to have lied to the grand jury investigating it-I cant help but believe there is going to be tremendous pressure to cut them all loose.
If I were a Penn state grad, I would be making quite a few phone calls fwiw.
Just waiting for the Booster to throw their :twocents: in to the mix.
wfgodot
11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
Hmm.....
Former Centre County DA Ray Gricar's reasons for not pursuing case against Jerry Sandusky are unknown (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_centre_county_da_ray_g.html) (pennlive.com)
Prosecutor Ray Gricar wasn’t one to be intimidated by high-profile cases.
He didn’t dabble in politics or enjoy limelight.
Gricar, who went missing in 2005 and declared dead in July, was an introverted man who affiliated himself with few and wasn’t easily swayed by others.
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The state attorney general’s office says Gricar is the one who made the decision not to prosecute Jerry Sandusky in 1998.
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Gricar disappeared April 15, 2005, after taking a day off work to drive to Lewisburg. His disappearance has been the subject of a lot of speculation.
His laptop hard drive, which was found dumped in the Susquehanna River near where his car was parked in Lewisburg, was too badly damaged by water to be read.
What information on that computer was destroyed is left to conjecture.
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much more at pennlive.com link above
Possible conspiracy angle being discussed at WS thread below:
PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #6 (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_centre_county_da_ray_g.html)
wfgodot
11-07-2011, 03:53 PM
Concise Fox Sports column from the excellent Jason Whitlock:
Penn St. scandal should force Paterno out (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711)
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Institutions are valued more than human beings.
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Safeguarding JoePa, marketing and exploiting his march to victory 409, appears to have been more important than exposing allegations against longtime defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, charged with sexually abusing teenage boys.
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There should be an asterisk next to JoePa’s 409 victories. And if not an asterisk, at least a dollar sign, America’s favorite religious symbol, our justification for valuing institutions more than human beings.
the rest at link above
wfgodot
11-07-2011, 05:35 PM
Six Weeks Ago, Penn State Dedicated The Gary Schultz Child Care Center (http://deadspin.com/5857212/six-weeks-ago-penn-state-dedicated-the-gary-schultz-child-care-center) (Deadspin)
Addressing University Park's shortage of options for young children, Penn State opened an $11 million dollar child care facility over the summer. In early 2010 it was announced that the building would be named for the recently retired Gary Schultz. The same Schultz who is out on bail today, but was forced to surrender his passport.
Schultz was in charge of university police, and "never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002." He testified under oath that Mike McQueary had informed him of the sexual nature of what he witnessed in the shower, but Schultz only described the incident to Penn State President Graham Spanier as "horsing around."
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wfgodot
11-07-2011, 05:39 PM
Police: Paterno didn't do enough (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Police-say-Joe-Paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-sexual-abuse-scandal-110711) (AP)
HARRISBURG, PA. (AP) Football coach Joe Paterno and other Penn State officials didn't do enough to try to stop suspected sexual abuse of children at the hands of a former assistant football coach, the state police commissioner said Monday.
Paterno may have fulfilled his legal requirement to report suspected abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, state police
Commissioner Frank Noonan said, ''but somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child.''
He added: ''I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us.''
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much more at Fox Sports/AP link above
pinkfly
11-08-2011, 12:38 AM
As stinky as this is I am sure glad to see the light of day cast over the situation. I listened to an interesting debate on my local radio today. They all cared much more about protecting JoPa than the children but the moderator did say that this must feel to Penn like the priest cover-up felt to the Catholic church.
Big fall from grace.
ohiogirl
11-08-2011, 11:19 AM
I just can't understand why no one tried to find out the identity of the 10-year old and just thought they were ok.
These poor children, were taken into a program to help them, and this is what happens?
And he even adopted one of them?
Sick, sick, sick!
eileenhawkeye
11-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Joe Paterno will be holding a press conference at 12:30 PM EST. He says he will only talk about the Nebraska game, but I don't know how well that will go. If you don't live in the local area, it will probably be on the Big 10 Network or the cable news channels.
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 12:00 PM
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
What a surprise, Joe Paterno wimps out and cancels his weekly press conference.
13 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/WhitlockJason
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 12:03 PM
I just can't understand why no one tried to find out the identity of the 10-year old and just thought they were ok.
These poor children, were taken into a program to help them, and this is what happens?
And he even adopted one of them?
Sick, sick, sick!
While the Sanduskys could not have children of their own, they adopted six, which is one of those facts that feels telling only in retrospect.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state
Dr.Fessel
11-08-2011, 12:43 PM
Just heard on HLN another victim has come forward.
I hope all the little boys this guy raped come forward.
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 12:46 PM
CNN Sandusky Case Timeline. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-timeline/index.html)
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 12:52 PM
This just in....
Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno’s Exit Amid Scandal (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=2&src=tp) (New York Times)
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
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much more at link above
Dr.Fessel
11-08-2011, 01:08 PM
How can any football player go into those showers knowing little boys were raped in there by a sick monster?
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Powerful Sports Illustrated piece just up:
With no explanation for inaction, Joe Paterno must go now (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/08/penn-state-joe-paterno-scandal/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1)
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The Penn State alma mater includes this line: "May no act of ours bring shame." Someone wrote those words on a poster Monday and hung them from a statue of Paterno on Penn State's campus. If Sandusky pleads guilty or is convicted of these accusations, that statue of Paterno should be torn down.
Paterno has won 409 games. He has helped usher thousands of young men into adulthood. But if Paterno's inaction allowed a monster to continue preying on children, those victories don't mean a thing.
the rest at link above
I was disappointed that people were upset with Paterno. Going on the assumption innocent until proven guilty I ran through what Paterno's thinking could have been: A student came and reported an assault, Paterno did not see the incident, it was a serious allegation, but the student hadn't reported it to the police so is what the student telling accurate? That leads me to think that Paterno reported it to his superior because he was concerned and it also was probably the schools policy to do so. Again, I think he was questioning the credibility of the student who reported it when finding out the student didn't go to the police. ......Then I read that this student now works for paterno on the team. That blew any defense I had for Paterno. IF he knew Sandusky wasn't arrested:furious: after reporting the incident to his higher ups then I assume he would think the student was lying. So why would he hire the student, a person who would make such horrendous false allegations?! But since he did hire him, Paterno must value his judgement therefore, paterno should have notified the police when he heard the story and/or when he found out the AD/superiors did not notify police. This wasn't a theft, robbery, test cheating, paying players kind of thing that 'we'll try to sweep under the rug'. This was the sexual assault of a child by a man they know involves himself with children based programs! This disgusts me! People, EVERYONE, need to look at any abusive/questionable situation and immediately question "if this was my child, brother, sister, me, what should I do?". I didn't say 'would do' because obviously they wouldn't do anything! IMO. Apologies for incoherent statements, it has taken me an hour to get this typed and if I could get the exploding head smiley to work this post would be one HUGE exploding head!
Dr.Fessel
11-08-2011, 01:29 PM
I was disappointed that people were upset with Paterno. Going on the assumption innocent until proven guilty I ran through what Paterno's thinking could have been: A student came and reported an assault, Paterno did not see the incident, it was a serious allegation, but the student hadn't reported it to the police so is what the student telling accurate? That leads me to think that Paterno reported it to his superior because he was concerned and it also was probably the schools policy to do so. Again, I think he was questioning the credibility of the student who reported it when finding out the student didn't go to the police. ......Then I read that this student now works for paterno on the team. That blew any defense I had for Paterno. IF he knew Sandusky wasn't arrested:furious: after reporting the incident to his higher ups then I assume he would think the student was lying. So why would he hire the student, a person who would make such horrendous false allegations?! But since he did hire him, Paterno must value his judgement therefore, paterno should have notified the police when he heard the story and/or when he found out the AD/superiors did not notify police. This wasn't a theft, robbery, test cheating, paying players kind of thing that 'we'll try to sweep under the rug'. This was the sexual assault of a child by a man they know involves himself with children based programs! This disgusts me! People, EVERYONE, need to look at any abusive/questionable situation and immediately question "if this was my child, brother, sister, me, what should I do?". I didn't say 'would do' because obviously they wouldn't do anything! IMO. Apologies for incoherent statements, it has taken me an hour to get this typed and if I could get the exploding head smiley to work this post would be one HUGE exploding head!
The only reason this school hired the grad student after the rape was to keep his mouth shut. I bet anything he is getting far more money and power that is normal for the position he holds. Why is he still working?
The only reason this school hired the grad student after the rape was to keep his mouth shut. I bet anything he is getting far more money and power that is normal for the position he holds. Why is he still working?
agree, agree, agree, agree, agree! This is sick. Churches, scouts, schools- it is time for look the other way, "it was a mistake", "we'll take care of it ourselves" to be OVER! Report it.
JoeFromLB
11-08-2011, 02:23 PM
Sandusky, through his attorney, denies all the charges. Attorney Joe Amendola, said Sandusky attributes the allegations to troubled kids who are acting out.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
JoeFromLB
11-08-2011, 02:29 PM
When the mother (of Victim #6) confronted Sandusky, he said: “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead,” according the presentment from the grand jury.
An investigator for Children and Youth Services broke the news to the mother: It was all a big mistake, the mother said she was told. The police officer who investigated won’t comment. Neither will the former police chief.
“Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it,” the mother said. “He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 — there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable.”
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
JoeFromLB
11-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Another alleged victim has contacted the police:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ninth-alleged-victim-jerry-sandusky-case-penn-state/1
azwriter
11-08-2011, 04:43 PM
This really hits home for me. I went to high school with Jerry. He was in my graduating class.
Jerry's father was a pillar of goodness in our home town of Washington, Pa. He opened a center for children from poor families to experience team sports. Everyone remembers the family who gave so much to the youth of the community. Jerry was just an ordinary guy who played baseball and football from pre-teen to high school age.
His high school classmates, me included, were led to believe that Jerry was slated to take over the head coaching job at Penn State once Joe resigned. It was our local guy makes good story. Then the story was that Joe went back on his promise and decided he would not retire and Jerry was out of the picture. There was a general feeling of hate toward Penn State and Coach Joe among us all.
However, now, after reading (especially the Grand Jury findings) and discussing this with other former classmates, we now see that the Jerry's fate was much different when the head coaching job was not offered to him.
To say I'm shocked, is almost funny. I've been sick about this all week, mainly for the child victims. This should have been stopped long ago. No one stepped up and did what morally and legally should have been done.
It's going to be a long, long time for Penn State to live past this horrible story.
just my O
Steely Dan
11-08-2011, 05:05 PM
Sandusky, through his attorney, denies all the charges. Attorney Joe Amendola, said Sandusky attributes the allegations to troubled kids who are acting out.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
Wow that's shocking! :rolleyes:
I wonder what the kids were wearing? :furious:
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 05:30 PM
Heckuva great read re: the effect of this scandal on those who have grown up and/or lived in State College, in the shadow of the seemingly inviolable "Paterno monolith."
Growing Up Penn State (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state) (Michael Weinreb, in Grantland)
The end of everything at State College
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Everything in State College — even the name of our town — was one all-encompassing, synergistic monolith, and Joe Paterno was our benevolent dictator, and nothing truly bad ever happened, and even when it did, it was easier just to blot it from our lives and move on.
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I know that I'm in denial. I know that I'm working through multiple layers of anger and disgust and neurosis and angst. I know that I'm too emotionally attached to the situation to offer any kind of objective take, though I don't think I realized how emotionally attached I was until this occurred.
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If it means that this is how Joe Paterno goes out, then so be it; if it means that 30 years of my own memories of Penn State football are forever tarnished, then I will accept it in the name of finding some measure of justice. Every sane person I know agrees on this.
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We've come to terms with the corruptibility of the human soul in State College, and we've swept away the naïve notion that this place where we lived so quietly was different from the rest of America.
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The place where I grew up is gone, and it's not coming back.
Much more of this fine, searching essay at link above.
strawberry
11-08-2011, 05:50 PM
Welll, I knew this thread would be here. As a 1989 alum I am still reeling. When I heard "assistant coach" I was shocked. When I heard Jerry Sandusky I was reeling. Sandusky and Second Mile were big things at PSU in the 80s. And I haven't read this thread yet but the GA who saw the worst reported episode is reported to be Mike McQueary who I remember from his QB days (he looks just like my brother, another PSU alum..tall and redhead). I am sick, just sick.
strawberry
11-08-2011, 05:54 PM
I was disappointed that people were upset with Paterno. Going on the assumption innocent until proven guilty I ran through what Paterno's thinking could have been: A student came and reported an assault, Paterno did not see the incident, it was a serious allegation, but the student hadn't reported it to the police so is what the student telling accurate? That leads me to think that Paterno reported it to his superior because he was concerned and it also was probably the schools policy to do so. Again, I think he was questioning the credibility of the student who reported it when finding out the student didn't go to the police. ......Then I read that this student now works for paterno on the team. That blew any defense I had for Paterno. IF he knew Sandusky wasn't arrested:furious: after reporting the incident to his higher ups then I assume he would think the student was lying. So why would he hire the student, a person who would make such horrendous false allegations?! But since he did hire him, Paterno must value his judgement therefore, paterno should have notified the police when he heard the story and/or when he found out the AD/superiors did not notify police. This wasn't a theft, robbery, test cheating, paying players kind of thing that 'we'll try to sweep under the rug'. This was the sexual assault of a child by a man they know involves himself with children based programs! This disgusts me! People, EVERYONE, need to look at any abusive/questionable situation and immediately question "if this was my child, brother, sister, me, what should I do?". I didn't say 'would do' because obviously they wouldn't do anything! IMO. Apologies for incoherent statements, it has taken me an hour to get this typed and if I could get the exploding head smiley to work this post would be one HUGE exploding head!
The only reason this school hired the grad student after the rape was to keep his mouth shut. I bet anything he is getting far more money and power that is normal for the position he holds. Why is he still working?
Yes, he's hard to miss on the sidelines, he's the tall redhead guy. He used to be a QB as well. My brother (his doppleganger), a diehard PSU football fan said, now we know how he got that job....
strawberry
11-08-2011, 05:56 PM
As stinky as this is I am sure glad to see the light of day cast over the situation. I listened to an interesting debate on my local radio today. They all cared much more about protecting JoPa than the children but the moderator did say that this must feel to Penn like the priest cover-up felt to the Catholic church.
Big fall from grace.
Get this. Earlier this year my little parish''s priest, Monignor Lynn, was indicted for covering up sex abuse in the Phila Archdiocese. I'm a Penn Stater. It's like deja vu all over again. But in some ways worse.
Patty G
11-08-2011, 06:18 PM
I have met Joe Paterno over the 5 years my son played Football at Rutgers and we played Penn State. On two occasions, Joe has helped me tremendously when my son got severely injured on the football field and when my husband got very sick at the game and was rushed to the emergency room. I was 3 1/2 hours away from home when my husband was admitted and Joe was so supportive and helped me so much during both times.
I am SHOCKED to learn that Joe did NOT go that extra mile and report what he learned regarding the student to the University police. I am just so darn DISGUSTED!!!!! :furious:
strawberry
11-08-2011, 06:24 PM
I have met Joe Paterno over the 5 years my son played Football at Rutgers and we played Penn State. On two occasions, Joe has helped me tremendously when my son got severely injured on the football field and when my husband got very sick at the game and was rushed to the emergency room. I was 3 1/2 hours away from home when my husband was admitted and Joe was so supportive and helped me so much during both times.
I am SHOCKED to learn that Joe did NOT go that extra mile and report what he learned regarding the student to the University police. I am just so darn DISGUSTED!!!!! :furious:
That's what makes this so shocking..he has such a rep as a good guy, squeaky clean, and beloved...
http://twitpic.com/7c8n10
believe09
11-08-2011, 06:24 PM
Sandusky, through his attorney, denies all the charges. Attorney Joe Amendola, said Sandusky attributes the allegations to troubled kids who are acting out.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
Of course they are. All 8. Or 9. Or the eventual 15, 20, 200...
Because Sandusky is an old hand at this and he has been around for a very, very long time....
And statistics show that boys in particular who have been abused in this fashion will drink, turn to drugs and have a high incidence of suicides.
Mothers should start looking hard at their sons who participated in this organization.
strawberry
11-08-2011, 06:28 PM
Of course they are. All 8. Or 9. Or the eventual 15, 20, 200...
Because Sandusky is an old hand at this and he has been around for a very, very long time....
And statistics show that boys in particular who have been abused in this fashion will drink, turn to drugs and have a high incidence of suicides.
Mothers should start looking hard at their sons who participated in this organization.
Sure, the good they do isn't an excuse, it was a means to an end. Just like men who enter the priesthood, coach baseball, lead Scouts just to have access to boys while appearing to be a lamb
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 06:40 PM
Bill Reiter, FoxSports:
Reported exit looming, JoePa must talk (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-scandal-Joe-Paterno-must-speak-as-possible-exit-looms-110811)
On Tuesday, 30 minutes before he was scheduled to address more than 120 members of the media about a mounting scandal surrounding allegations a former coach sexually abused young boys and school officials failed to help put a stop to it, the word spread: Once again Paterno would fail to speak.
It seemed a lot like a sign that Paterno is on his way out, and an hour later the New York Times reported just that: That the university is in the process of determining just when, in days or weeks, that Paterno will leave.
Good. But he still must speak. Now. There’s been enough silence to do enough damage for at least eight lifetimes. Reports have surfaced of a ninth victim stepping forward and that Jerry Sandusky — the former defensive coordinator whose alleged abuses are at the center of the case — was seen on the Penn State campus as recently as a week ago working out.
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Cowards, then and now, every last one of you.
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more at link above
hornswoggled
11-08-2011, 06:41 PM
I am finding myself burning with anger. So, some grown men saw a 10 year old being raped in a locker room shower. Which one of them ran to the rescue of this child? Apparently no one. They don't even know the little boy's name!
Then the locker room keys were merely taken away from the perpetrator.......the message being "Carry on, just don't do it here." And I would be willing to bet that to this very day, that pos is still "carrying on".
Everyone involved looks like a criminal to me. I don't care what their "position" in life is. If you saw this happen and did NOTHING, then you are just as guilty as the person commiting the CRIME.
believe09
11-08-2011, 06:56 PM
I am finding myself burning with anger. So, some grown men saw a 10 year old being raped in a locker room shower. Which one of them ran to the rescue of this child? Apparently no one. They don't even know the little boy's name!
Then the locker room keys were merely taken away from the perpetrator.......the message being "Carry on, just don't do it here." And I would be willing to bet that to this very day, that pos is still "carrying on".
Everyone involved looks like a criminal to me. I don't care what their "position" in life is. If you saw this happen and did NOTHING, then you are just as guilty as the person commiting the CRIME.
Thank you for pointing this out-not one but two grown men witnessed "Jerry" raping two boys in separate incidents in a shower-and neither rushed to the child's aid. Neither grabbed the child and kicked the daylights out of the child's attacker.
Both of them were so badly shaken by the incidents that they repeatedly mentioned them...but not to anyone who counted apparently. But most of all, they let these boys be assaulted. Pretty much sealing the impression these boys already had-that Sandusky could act with impunity and that they were helpless to stop it.
Way to go.
From azwriter's post:
Jerry's father was a pillar of goodness in our home town of Washington, Pa. He opened a center for children from poor families to experience team sports. Everyone remembers the family who gave so much to the youth of the community. Jerry was just an ordinary guy who played baseball and football from pre-teen to high school age.
Sounds familiar.
I'm seething... :furious:
How did anyone walk away from the rape of a young boy? How do you do that?! I would have picked up the nearest heavy thing, and there's bound to be a good selection in a locker room, and smashed it against the head of that <I can't think of a name bad enough to fit here> while yelling GET AWAY FROM THAT BOY! And I wouldn't have stopped until the police peeled me off of him.
I don't care who it is. ANYONE!
That one fella was obviously more concerned about his future at Penn State than the fact that a young boy was being brutalized. And, if his future would be in question because he intervened or even chickened out and just called authorities on a boy being assaulted, what does that tell you about Penn State??!
IMO, they ALL need to go to jail.
I think this is the first thread, in my history at WS, that I've resorted to capital letters. OMG, I'm just spitting. I feel like throwing up.
Disgusting, the lot of them. :furious:
Another thing! Why do these news reports keep calling this a 'scandal'? A scandal is when you are caught in bed with another man's wife. This is no scandal. This is horrific crimes against children! <breathe ... breathe ... breathe>
:furious:
southcitymom
11-08-2011, 08:11 PM
My school had a Sandusky...Google Eddie Fisher and Porter Gaud if you want that story. And my hometown is also in the middle of another one - Skip Reville and Charleston, SC.
This story brings up so many emotions in my heart, but of one thing I am certain - a 10-year-old boy being anally invaded by a grown man is something that needs to be followed mercilessly until the end of time by any adult with that knowledge.
My prayers to everyone involved in this painful, painful case.
Dr.Fessel
11-08-2011, 08:36 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/number-of-victims-in-sandusky-sex-case-reportedly-nearing-20/
FOX 29 in Philadelphia is reporting this evening that the number of potential victims is now closer to 20 following a spate of new allegations of sexual abuse. During a press conference Monday, state law enforcement officials publicized phone numbers for potential victims or tipsters to call. Those calls have left investigators with new leads to follow and, apparently, additional alleged victims.
1&2&3
11-08-2011, 08:40 PM
Sick to my stomach after reading this. Had heard bits of it on the radio as I was in & out of the car. Karma, JoeP!! You are finished in disgrace that will long outlive you! How could you live with yourself knowing what a member of your staff was doing? You are a Monster for keeping quiet while a pedophile on your staff abused little boys!
A REAL Man would have gone to any height to stop this the second he heard about it!! :furious:
eileenhawkeye
11-08-2011, 08:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if all the Penn State fans cheer in support of Paterno at Saturday's game. It will probably resemble Dear Leader's birthday in North Korea.
JoeFromLB
11-08-2011, 08:56 PM
Another thing! Why do these news reports keep calling this a 'scandal'? A scandal is when you are caught in bed with another man's wife. This is no scandal. This is horrific crimes against children! <breathe ... breathe ... breathe>
:furious:
It's incredible, really. I've actually heard a reporter describing the assaults on these boys as "frolicking in the locker room". Many reports use the words "child sex", or "sex with children".
It's CHILD RAPE , and it should be punishable by life in prison, at least!
Everyone who knew about this and did nothing should lose their jobs and be prosecuted if possible.
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 08:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if all the Penn State fans cheer in support of Paterno at Saturday's game. It will probably resemble Dear Leader's birthday in North Korea.
I love that comparison.
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 09:05 PM
From Roxanne Jones, CNN:
Horror in Happy Valley: Paterno must go (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/opinion/jones-penn-state/index.html)
(CNN) -- We are ... Penn State.
I cannot recount the thousands of times that I have proudly proclaimed that chant throughout the years. I belted it out as a Penn State cheerleader, later as a proud alum standing in Beaver Stadium among nearly 100,000 raucous fans, and more recently on Saturday afternoons sitting solo in my TV room watching my Nittany Lions roar in those classic no-name jerseys.
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If these allegations are proven true, this scandal is far worse than anything that's happened at other universities. Exploiting dozens and raping young boys could never compare to the minor infractions of boosters buying a car for a player or a player selling his autographed football jersey for a few bucks.
Now, as I look back at my years at Penn State and realize that some of these alleged incidents were possibly taking place as I was a student there proudly waving my pompoms, I feel sick.
We are ... Penn State. And we are ashamed.
the rest of another excellent essay at link above
raeann
11-08-2011, 09:31 PM
From Roxanne Jones, CNN:
Horror in Happy Valley: Paterno must go (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/opinion/jones-penn-state/index.html)
the rest of another excellent essay at link above
That is an intelligent and well written essay......and I agree with everything she said.
tiredblondy
11-08-2011, 10:27 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/number-of-victims-in-sandusky-sex-case-reportedly-nearing-20/
FOX 29 in Philadelphia is reporting this evening that the number of potential victims is now closer to 20 following a spate of new allegations of sexual abuse. During a press conference Monday, state law enforcement officials publicized phone numbers for potential victims or tipsters to call. Those calls have left investigators with new leads to follow and, apparently, additional alleged victims.
I'm so afraid the numbers will be in the hundreds based on the children he had access to. Not that it matters but I wonder if he was abused and I wonder if those innocent children he sexually abused will be abusers?
You know in a situation like this a lot of people had to know about it! Whoever JP went to to report this is just as responsible too even if it's a group of people. Anyone involved in the decision to have him turn in the keys to the shower roon are guilty.
When did the visual sightings occur by the two different men? If the date was reported I have missed it? Why does this remind me of the "Good old Boys" just sweep it under the rug and hide it. Which some in power there apparently have successfully done for several years?
I also wonder if some of the victims will not report it because of shame and fear it will affect their careers. Those poor children !
I think of my son at the sweet age of 10 and I'd feel like killing anyone who did that to him. Knowing how he was at that age he would have never told me either. Oh the evil in this world.
This I fear is the tip of the iceberg!
wfgodot
11-08-2011, 11:32 PM
A question I haven't seen posed yet in the media: were others besides Jerry Sandusky involved in abuse? Did this unfathomable silence and inaction only protect one person, or are there others involved?
I am still seething. So many adults knew! So many! Wtf. Is this just another thing like hazing and bullying that 'real men' say is a part of growing up, just being boys, etc?! I don't know what to think. I am so disgusted and disturbed that so many people swept it under the rug. Is this something that is so commonplace that it didn't disturb them? Are locker rooms a place where sexual assaults are the norm? Do they look at it as "there is always a few of those guys on/with the team."?
And if you are a Penn state football player with a degree that has anything to do with kids: teaching, coaching, etc, good luck getting a job when you graduate. As a parent, there is NO WAY I am putting my child in your class or on your team. That may be biased, but i only have one chance to raise my children and I am not about to compromise their safety so I can be PC.
Dogface
11-09-2011, 12:42 AM
It just makes me sick that someone SAW something happening, and was too afraid to act. What a complete coward all these men were/are. To know someone abuses kids, and do nothing to protect them??? If it wasn't for stories like this, I wouldn't think there were people who were capable of such inaction, especially in regards to the sexual abuse of children. Who would WANT to work for an institute that would protect a child abuser and allow him to stay on as an employee just to save face?
J. J. in Phila
11-09-2011, 01:36 AM
Sandusky, through his attorney, denies all the charges. Attorney Joe Amendola, said Sandusky attributes the allegations to troubled kids who are acting out.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
Sorry Joe, but admitting that you showered with a 9 year old, in private, hugged him while doing so and "maybe" touched his "private parts, " in from of his mother, two police officers, and later a welfare worker is not a troubled kid "acting out."
Mr. Amendola, I doubt that you should use that defense, unless the jury is filled with NAMBLA members.
MagnoliaMom
11-09-2011, 01:39 AM
I just can't get out of my mind how hurt and helpless these boys must have felt that grown men actually witnessed them being raped and turned and walked away. Who does that? WHO? How can they live with themselves?
It sickens me that this is just coming out when Sandusky is age 67. He doesn't have enough life left for a sentence deserving of what he has done.
I fear we will never know the true number of victims. I pray they find the courage to speak out and seek help to deal with their abuse.
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 02:37 AM
For every new victim that comes forward there is a chance we will learn of other people who knew about what was going on and did nothing.
Steely Dan
11-09-2011, 03:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-profile/index.html
Sandusky's autobiography titled 'Touched'
By Mike Pearson and Josh Levs, CNN
updated 2:13 PM EST, Mon November 7, 2011
..."My time on this earth has always been unique," he writes. "At the times when I found myself searching for maturity, I usually came up with insanity. That's the way it is in the life of Gerald Arthur Sandusky."
He writes about people who have touched his life.
"I wish, sometimes, that I could press a button to bring back the times when life was so much simpler with the kids. The times when they didn't worry about what they were missing with drugs, alcohol and sex," he writes. "They didn't have to worry about protection from AIDS and HIV. They enjoyed life's simple pleasures in a naive time; a time of make-believe. There were simple activities and worthwhile outlets. People just enjoyed each other simply as people."
A search of the text of his book on amazon.com shows no other references to "sex," and no references to "abuse."...
Look at me I'm a great guy, I'm teaching kids there is more to life than drugs, alcohol and sex. :puke:
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 06:57 AM
I just can't get out of my mind how hurt and helpless these boys must have felt that grown men actually witnessed them being raped and turned and walked away. Who does that? WHO? How can they live with themselves?
It sickens me that this is just coming out when Sandusky is age 67. He doesn't have enough life left for a sentence deserving of what he has done.
I fear we will never know the true number of victims. I pray they find the courage to speak out and seek help to deal with their abuse.
I can't get over that either. How the hell do you walk in on a ten yr old being raped and just turn and walk out again? And I've a horrible feeling that particular victim will never come forward, because the effect of knowing that another adult witnessed the rape and did nothing will have damaged him as much as the rape itself.
Heads should roll here, and not just Sandusky's.
Tipstaff
11-09-2011, 07:40 AM
Penn State will put Coach Paterno on Administrative Leave of Absence today or in the next day or two. They don't want to fire him and give him free reign to go on TV and fumble and stumble around this issue.
So we will see Phase 2 of the cover-up with Paterno on leave until the uproar dies down and then Penn State will accept the resignation of Paterno and have the going away party.
Will this work, no but they will try this as phase 2.
hornswoggled
11-09-2011, 09:39 AM
JP said in an interview last night that he has 17 grandchildren and he prays for them every night. In quite the magnanimous gesture, he announced that he will now pray for the "poor victims" in this "scandal". Now, just how many years did it take for him to realize that a child being brutalized need his prayers? I want to throw up!
It leads me to wonder what JP would do if he were to find out that one of his own grandsons were a "poor victim" in this "scandal".
I shudder at the word scandal. That merely sounds like someones "good name" will be sullied. In reality, many lives were altered by this crime, and who knows what path could have been taken by these kids had the crime against them not occured - if someone had cared enough to put a stop to it?
Now if we are to be honest and call this exactly what it is - a horrible crime, then those witnesses (and they ALL know who they are) should be accountable. It is still burning me up that no one stopped the deviant from doing exactly what he wanted to do. And by the way JP, every little boy is someone's grandchild. You are leaving your grandchildren quite the legacy. Feeling proud?
believe09
11-09-2011, 09:42 AM
Sandusky's adopted son was 7 or 8 when he arrived in the Sandusky home.
Hard not to believe he may be a complainant, but I am just doing the math.
If you have information for the investigation, or you are a possible victim, please contact one of the following resources:
Office of the Attorney General: 814-863-1053
Pennsylvania State Police: 814-470-2238
You can remain anonymous.
This is a resource for those who have suffered from sexual abuse. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
http://www.malesurvivor.org/
This is merely one of your possible resources.
I want to add one for SNAP-they are featuring Sandusky's case on their front page. They are experts regarding institutionalized sexual abuse of children.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Kinalyn
11-09-2011, 09:59 AM
I wanted to let you guys know that a group of us local to PSU (alumni, employees of the university...) are trying to turn an idea we came up with into a reality:
"You know what would be nice? If Penn State allowed a child-abuse prevention charity to collect donations at all of the gates to Beaver Stadium on Saturday. $1 from everyone would be over $100K. And they could do it again in the Spring for the Blue & White game. Now there would be a nice legacy."
We're trying to contact organizations to step up and sponsor this before we propose the idea to the university and we have a herd of people willing to volunteer their time. If anyone has any ideas on who to contact for sponsorship or media attention or is local to the area and wants to help out, please let me know!
Thanks!
Kina
Steely Dan
11-09-2011, 10:03 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823ed452/article/paternos-nfl-players-react-to-penn-state-sexabuse-scandal?module=HP11_headline_stack
Paterno's NFL players react to Penn State sex-abuse scandal
NFL.com
Published: Nov. 8, 2011 at 09:57 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 9, 2011 at 06:40 a.m
..."It's a tough situation. I read about it all Saturday. I read all the reports," Carolina Panthers linebacker Dan Connor, who played under Paterno from 2004 to 2007, told The Charlotte Observer. "It's sad. That's the only way you can look at it. I guess there hasn't been a trial yet, but it was tough to read and it's going to be a scar.
"(Sandusky) had retired when I was there, but he was still around the building. Guys were familiar with him. He was tight with (linebacker Paul) Posluszny and a couple of other guys. It caught us off guard. You never see that coming."
Posluszny, who played at Penn State through the 2006 season, was equally shocked and disturbed.
"It's obviously a very, very disturbing situation for everybody involved," the Jacksonville Jaguars linebacker told The Florida Times-Union. "And if it's true, you feel so awful for the kids, their families, and it's just one of those things you say, 'I can't believe it. I can't believe it.'
"It's really, really hard to believe because he's -- Sandusky was a legendary coach that everybody held in such high regard. He was a very respectable, very honorable guy. That's what we all were led to believe. I just can't believe it happened."...
believe09
11-09-2011, 10:06 AM
I wanted to let you guys know that a group of us local to PSU (alumni, employees of the university...) are trying to turn an idea we came up with into a reality:
"You know what would be nice? If Penn State allowed a child-abuse prevention charity to collect donations at all of the gates to Beaver Stadium on Saturday. $1 from everyone would be over $100K. And they could do it again in the Spring for the Blue & White game. Now there would be a nice legacy."
We're trying to contact organizations to step up and sponsor this before we propose the idea to the university and we have a herd of people willing to volunteer their time. If anyone has any ideas on who to contact for sponsorship or media attention or is local to the area and wants to help out, please let me know!
Thanks!
Kina
I think this is admirable. I think I would contact the AG or check in with child sexual abuse experts in the area to see where the money for an effort like this would do the most good.
Sandusky was successful because he established an organization which preyed on people who were poor and struggling...single parents, people who were poverty line etc. These people trusted him because he was Jerry Sandusky and he could give their children some things they would never ever be able to give the boys themselves.
So, personally, that is where I would start. Finding a way to empower an organization that would counter act his kind of evil-maybe the Boys and Girls Club of America...I wish you the best of luck.
J. J. in Phila
11-09-2011, 10:06 AM
Paterno to retire at the end of the season: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1
believe09
11-09-2011, 10:07 AM
Good Choice.
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 10:11 AM
I wanted to let you guys know that a group of us local to PSU (alumni, employees of the university...) are trying to turn an idea we came up with into a reality:
"You know what would be nice? If Penn State allowed a child-abuse prevention charity to collect donations at all of the gates to Beaver Stadium on Saturday. $1 from everyone would be over $100K. And they could do it again in the Spring for the Blue & White game. Now there would be a nice legacy."
We're trying to contact organizations to step up and sponsor this before we propose the idea to the university and we have a herd of people willing to volunteer their time. If anyone has any ideas on who to contact for sponsorship or media attention or is local to the area and wants to help out, please let me know!
Thanks!
Kina
Its a great idea, but IMO Penn state needs to do some house cleaning and lauch an internal inquiry before they become respectable enough for any charity to accept money from.
As for JP retiring at end of season - too little, too late.
Steely Dan
11-09-2011, 10:19 AM
Paterno to retire at the end of the season: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1
Very stupid idea. His players are going to suffer the wrath of opposing crowds just because he's still there. He should retire today. JMO
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 10:20 AM
Once again, it's all about poor Joe (bleeping) Paterno, isn't it. A disgrace to the state of Pennsylvania. And worse.
believe09
11-09-2011, 10:21 AM
I agree that there is going to be a big distraction factor with any game appearances. I would think that the focus of his players might be some what rocked...and how about all of the typical insults they hurl at each other on the field, much less from the sidelines and the stands?
Kinalyn
11-09-2011, 10:23 AM
Its a great idea, but IMO Penn state needs to do some house cleaning and lauch an internal inquiry before they become respectable enough for any charity to accept money from.
As for JP retiring at end of season - too little, too late.
This is more along the lines of everyone related to PSU trying to stand together and relay the message that these 5 people don't represent the rest of us involved with what Penn State is about. It's alumni, students, and employees doing this. Not the actual administration.
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 10:24 AM
Its a sickening spectacle. He's claiming that McQueary only told him about "inappropriate behaviour" in the shower, and not that he saw a child being raped. Well.....let's assume for a minute that's true - if McQ had told him " I saw Sandusky behaving inappropriately in the showers with your grandson," would Paterno have merely reported it to his boss and never followed up, and never gone to the police? Never even pulled Sandusky aside and asked him what the hell he was doing?
I'm guessing the answer is no, in which case the victims should tell him to stick his prayers where the sun doesn't shine.
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 10:27 AM
This is more along the lines of everyone related to PSU trying to stand together and relay the message that these 5 people don't represent the rest of us involved with what Penn State is about. It's alumni, students, and employees doing this. Not the actual administration.
I understand that, which is why I say its a great idea on your part. Unfortunately, if I was in charge of a child abuse charity at the moment I would refuse to accept the money. That's a sad thing to say, but the institutionalised failure of Penn State administration taints any money from anyone in Penn State - alumni, students, employees, anyone - until some serious housecleaning has been done.
believe09
11-09-2011, 10:30 AM
I understand that, which is why I say its a great idea on your part. Unfortunately, if I was in charge of a child abuse charity at the moment I would refuse to accept the money. That's a sad thing to say, but the institutionalised failure of Penn State administration taints any money from anyone in Penn State - alumni, students, employees, anyone - until some serious housecleaning has been done.
The Second Mile is in a tough spot as well. I hope they have opened their records to LE.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 10:31 AM
James Fallows, in The Atlantic, compares the situation with the recent travesty in Foshan China, in which 18 passersby did not help a two-year-old lying injured in the street:
The specifics of the moral choice for onlookers obviously differ: in China, it was a random assortment of people faced with an out-of-nowhere decision in a few seconds of real time. At Penn State, it was stewards of an organization convincing themselves to turn a blind eye over a period of years. But the results -- implicit decisions to distance oneself from responsibility for other people's suffering -- are similar. And while the Penn State case could be a trigger for larger concerns -- about bigtime sports culture, about the God-coach tradition of which Joe Paterno has been a main example, about unaccountable male-run hierarchies that seem to attract pederasts -- mainly we're reminded of human failings again. I tell myself that I would never have walked by an injured toddler -- or that I would never condone an episode like the one at Penn State quoted after the jump. But people who think of themselves as "good" did these things, which is mainly a sobering reminder of what we're all capable of. Mon semblable, mon frere.
more here: Moral Parallels: Foshan China, Penn State (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/moral-parallels-foshan-china-penn-state/248110/)
Velouria
11-09-2011, 10:32 AM
I understand that, which is why I say its a great idea on your part. Unfortunately, if I was in charge of a child abuse charity at the moment I would refuse to accept the money. That's a sad thing to say, but the institutionalised failure of Penn State administration taints any money from anyone in Penn State - alumni, students, employees, anyone - until some serious housecleaning has been done.
Well said, Capp!
IMO, they should start by doing any and everything they can to insure that Sandusky (as well as his aiders and abetters) go from Penn State to the State Pen!!:furious:
J. J. in Phila
11-09-2011, 10:39 AM
Very stupid idea. His players are going to suffer the wrath of opposing crowds just because he's still there. He should retire today. JMO
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
believe09
11-09-2011, 10:45 AM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
I absolutely can see this perspective-I have a hard time recognizing the accomplishments without considering his moral compass however. FWIW.
What is getting me is the level of consent that is being implied about the child.
Sure these children are now adults. But they werent at the time. And this anal rape turned sexual situation turned inappropriate contact turned horseplay absolutely discounts the only person who did not have a choice in this equation.
I want to know how the children were lost when these men decided what actions to take. Paterno included.
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 10:54 AM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
My crystal ball tells me that month will not be spent receiving hurrahs off the crowds. If he had any sense - not to mention any shame - he would resign now.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 11:02 AM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
Well, a month, yes, three more games; and then a bowl game, adding almost another month.
Linda7NJ
11-09-2011, 11:11 AM
Thank you for pointing this out-not one but two grown men witnessed "Jerry" raping two boys in separate incidents in a shower-and neither rushed to the child's aid. Neither grabbed the child and kicked the daylights out of the child's attacker.
Both of them were so badly shaken by the incidents that they repeatedly mentioned them...but not to anyone who counted apparently. But most of all, they let these boys be assaulted. Pretty much sealing the impression these boys already had-that Sandusky could act with impunity and that they were helpless to stop it.
Way to go.
From azwriter's post:
Sounds familiar.
I have the same sick in the stomach, disgusted, verge of tears feeling I had when Michael Jackson was accused for the THIRD time...and everyone covered...again imo
Linda7NJ
11-09-2011, 11:12 AM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
Makes me want to vomit.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 11:32 AM
Paterno's statement; he just doesn't get it:
STATE COLLEGE, Pa., Nov. 9, 2011 — I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.
pinkfly
11-09-2011, 11:54 AM
Paterno's statement; he just doesn't get it:
I would love to see him offering to do something to help the victims or even do some community service as a gesture.
I suspect this is all lawyer controlled right now and anything more than this would be accepting some level of guilt publicly and his council won’t let him open that door.
hornswoggled
11-09-2011, 12:07 PM
I would love to see him offering to do something to help the victims or even do some community service as a gesture.
I suspect this is all lawyer controlled right now and anything more than this would be accepting some level of guilt publicly and his council won’t let him open that door.
This man is old enough and close enough to meeting his Maker, that the time has come to stand on his own two feet, consequences be damned, and do the right thing. He missed the mark the first time around. Now he has a second chance to try and right this wrong and make a difference in the lives of victims he had a direct hand in creating.
If he is truly the man he has been made out to be all these years, he will know what to do. Every one of us knows right from wrong, no exceptions. Quite simply, the time has come to take a stand.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 12:10 PM
From last night's "pep rally" with PSU students on Paterno's lawn:
“And I want you!” Paterno said. “It’s hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. You guys have lived for this place. I’ve lived for people like you guys and girls. I’m just so happy to see that you feel so strongly about us and about our school. And as I said, I don’t know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It’s a tough life when people do certain things to you. But anyway, you've been great. You’ve been really great.”
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Is he kidding? Did he just lead a pep rally on his lawn after all of this? Had he just said, “Whatever they want to say?” He had. They want to say rape, Joe. The victims want to say lives have been ruined. They want to say, to you I would imagine, “Why?” But the students around him would have none of it.
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more here: Chaos has engulfed Happy Valley (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Joe-Paterno-Penn-State-pressure-mounts-as-tension-boils-in-Happy-Valley-110811) (Bill Reiter, FoxSports)
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 12:22 PM
A pep rally for Paterno. Dear God! Where are their brains?
I hope that 10 year old who was raped in the showers isn't watching this, it will only discourage him further from coming forward.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 12:28 PM
Did Joe Paterno break the law? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html)
Excellent look at the relevant legal issues - perjury and obstruction of justice; the Child Protective Services Law; negligence - by Michael McCann, a sports law professor writing for Sports Illustrated.
pinkfly
11-09-2011, 12:43 PM
This man is old enough and close enough to meeting his Maker, that the time has come to stand on his own two feet, consequences be damned, and do the right thing. He missed the mark the first time around. Now he has a second chance to try and right this wrong and make a difference in the lives of victims he had a direct hand in creating.
If he is truly the man he has been made out to be all these years, he will know what to do. Every one of us knows right from wrong, no exceptions. Quite simply, the time has come to take a stand.
I totally agree as to what he should do. I was just offering up a possible reason that we won’t see ‘the right thing’ happen.
MrsG728
11-09-2011, 12:52 PM
Like many of you, I am sad, angry, digsuted and sickened :sick: by the news. At first, I didnt think Paterno was involved at all. Then, i read the DA report :( That poor little boy (who is now a young man) has been forgotten by the media in the frenzy over Joe P. I am so sad.
believe09
11-09-2011, 01:35 PM
Paterno's statement; he just doesn't get it:
I agree that he came to work every day for 61 years and worked on behalf of the best interests of the university. Fair statement, and no he does not get it.
Now I understand why the University does not want to cut him loose and have him handle this on his own, as another poster alluded to.
believe09
11-09-2011, 01:36 PM
from wfgot's post:
you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It’s a tough life when people do certain things to you.
Wow. I mean wow.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Report: PSU may oust president Spanier today (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33204477)
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According to a report in The Express Times, Penn State president Graham Spanier's resignation or termination could be coming shortly. In the report a source close to the Penn State Board of Trustess said that Spanier will either resign or be voted out by the end of the day.
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According to another report in The Chronicle, Spanier's silence may not be by choice.
Per the paper, Spanier has been ordered to keep silent by the school's Board of Trustees: That may not be his choice, two individuals close to the administration told The Chronicle on Tuesday. He is following strict orders from the university's Board of Trustees not to talk.
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more at cbssports.com link above
Betty P
11-09-2011, 02:04 PM
Paraphrasing a reader comment from one of the local news links: Your football team is not important. Your university is not important. The only important things in this situation are the victims of these sexual attacks. Their needs come first.
The way this was handled over the years makes me wonder if these kinds of sex crimes have long been a dirty little secret of college sports. Not to imply its been prevalent, but it makes you wonder if its happened in other sports programs at other colleges since the early days. The way this university dealt with the problem hints at a long established pattern of dealing with these situations, similar to the methods of the Catholic Church. Cover up, try to manage it internally, etc.
MOO
davehead21
11-09-2011, 02:15 PM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
Um seriously? Paterno needs to take the moral high ground and step down immediately. He HAS had a brilliant, storied football career that will now be forever marred by this. He needs be the first to step up and say, "I messed up." Maybe, over time, he will be forgiven for not coming forward when he should have if he owns up to his mistake now. If not, well, he's not nearly the leader that people think he is.
Dogface
11-09-2011, 02:37 PM
Seriously, I just don't know how he(Paterno) could have worked side by side with this man knowing what he knew. And KNOWING kids were still in a position to be preyed upon by a monster like Sandusky?!?! Unacceptable. At the minimum he could have contacted police anonymously. And I do understand hindsight is 20/20, but when it comes to knowing someone is abusing children, you do not need to have hindsight to know what to do in that situation. I think EVERYONE who knew about this and didn't report it to the authorities, and allowed him to continue working with these kids, and as a coach, should be charged with abetting him if that is possible.
Concerned Papa
11-09-2011, 02:41 PM
This is my first trip to this thread, so if what I have to say is redundant, please bear with me.
When this story first broke, I initially felt sympathy for Joe Paterno. After all, everything I read said he broke no laws and dutifully reported the matter to his superiors at Penn State. How was he supposed to do anything more?
THEN, I read Sandusky's indictment.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment
Joe Paterno enabled this monster by continuing to employ him in the Penn State football program. Sandusky's modus operandi was to expose these boys to the glitz and glamour of a college football team from the sidelines during games as well as the inner circle of the entire program. Joe Paterno KNEW EXACTLY what this "man" was doing with the constant presence of these young boys yet he still allowed him to remain as a key member of his staff. Joe Paterno, in his own way, made possible the continuing abuse of these children by this pedophile.
My sympathy has turned to a building RAGE. How dare you Mr. Paterno? These were God's children. Not your employee's lil diversion!
To HELL with you, Joe Paterno. Forty years of admiration by an ex linebacker for The University of Georgia is GONE!
Dogface
11-09-2011, 02:46 PM
Um seriously? Paterno needs to take the moral high ground and step down immediately. He HAS had a brilliant, storied football career that will now be forever marred by this. He needs be the first to step up and say, "I messed up." Maybe, over time, he will be forgiven for not coming forward when he should have if he owns up to his mistake now. If not, well, he's not nearly the leader that people think he is.
I wish I could truly know he feels...I can't imagine the huge amount of guilt he has been living with(or at least should have been living with)...but I want to know if he did feel bad before this came to light, and if he is relieved it came to light...not that it would make anything any better, I would just like to know his true reasons for not coming forward...was it a since of coworker comradery? Was it fear?
I just posted saying he could have anonymously tipped off police, but he could have also tipped off media....he had SO many routes that he could have taken, but to choose to just be mum and think not letting him bring kids into the shower was enough is just beyond my comprehension!?!?!
Then again I think anyone who abuses a child should be put BENEATH the jail. :maddening:
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 02:51 PM
I am hearing the number 24 being mentioned for the victims coming forward so far.
Out of the first 8 one led directly to Paterno.
Odds say at least 2 more will lead to Paterno knowing about them.
Disgusting Monster.
believe09
11-09-2011, 02:53 PM
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?
I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.
So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 02:55 PM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month. Where does condoning little boys getting raped fit into "Brilliant"?
Clearly Confused
11-09-2011, 03:09 PM
Report: PSU may oust president Spanier today (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33204477)
more at cbssports.com link above
Great! They all should go!
Concerned Papa
11-09-2011, 03:10 PM
I am hearing the number 24 being mentioned for the victims coming forward so far.
Out of the first 8 one led directly to Paterno.
Odds say at least 2 more will lead to Paterno knowing about them.
Disgusting Monster.BBM
He knew about every one he saw, which was likely most of them. Sandusky committed several of these rapes, NOT in some "secret hideaway", NOT in the dark, NOT even behind locked doors! He was in the wide open confines of Penn State's team shower!
The complete lack of reprecussion on the part of Paterno and University officials apparently led this monster to believe he had the tacit approval of his superiors! Why should he hide?
ETA: From the indictment, this is how safe and wide open this monster felt:
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/Sandusky.png
9:30 PM IN THE WIDE OPEN, FULLY LIGHTED SHOWER AT PENN STATE'S TEAM FACILITY and apparently didn't even care that he'd been seen!
There's no way in hell Paterno didn't know EXACTLY what his POS employee was doing to these children.
Dogface
11-09-2011, 03:12 PM
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?
I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.
So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
BBM - me either! I just can't imagine another grown man seeing that happen, and not stepping in. At the risk of condoning violence, I must admit I would have bashed him. :innocent:
I think we as humans have to stop allowing cowardice to control our actions. People nowadays are wimpy IMO, and fear to stand up for what the believe in because the mentality that life is just to comfy these days and you don't buck the horse when things are going good for yourself. Which is just pathetic.
I worked in a very small lab, and when they were interviewing candidates one had been convicted of felony child abuse, and sexual assault on a child under the age of 12(if i recall 100%) and I literally told my supervisor, and her boss, that if that person was hired, I would take my research elsewhere. Sure, I could have lost my job for coming out of pocket and refusing to work with what was an otherwise ideal candidate(probably the best for the job tbh) but in the end, that person didn't get hired because I took a stand. Its not that I don't believe in second chances, but, people who abuse children more than likely will continue to do it. And I feel like if people fear the reaction of the community to their devious deeds, instead of just light jail sentences that get cut short, maybe they would stop preying on the helpless. Instead, these people get to melt back into society, with no one none the wiser. I say, drive them out of our neighborhoods/schools/churches and everywhere else they lurk!
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 03:17 PM
And where are they supposed to go, Dogface? The Moon?
Its not that I don't agree with your sentiments, but child safety has to come first, before our own feelings of anger and disgust at these crimes. And child safety is not helped by driving paedophiles underground. If the authorities aren't going to lock them up for life then they have to be kept in view and supervised by the community around them.
Cappuccino
11-09-2011, 03:22 PM
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?
I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.
So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
Paterno is in his 80s, he comes from a generation where male rape wasn't really dealt with. Its also a generation which frequently seemed not to know the difference between pederasty and homosexuality. It wouldn't surprise me if Paterno rationalised all this to himself as Sandusky's embarrassing little secret, in much the same manner as more modern minds would react to a married man who had adult male partners behind his wife's back.
He should have retired years ago, I don't care how good his win record was.
Wise Old Owl
11-09-2011, 03:29 PM
Years ago here.
There was an elementary school with a teacher (male) that was sexually abusing little girls. When this started (and yes, I say started) the girls were in Kindergarten.
3 of the girls went to the principal "to tell". The principal intimiated and "bullied" the little girls by telling them that "if you really want to say this, then I'll have to call the police and they will come and question you and then your parents will be called at work and have to come here...." :eek: stuff like that. Well, of the the girls recanted and were sent back to class.
Years later - the girls were now in 5th grade - and this "freak" was still there - still doing what he "did". One of the girls came forward again. This time it was taken seriously. This time EVERYONE including LE got involved. It was a public school - so the district came out swinging and spinning, held a "school community/neighborhood meeting". I was there - my son was enrolled at the school at the time. Well, during that meeting - one of the parents was speaking and brought up the "years ago" incident where the principal had basically bullied the girls. The district asst superintendent was FLOORED. The look on his face was priceless. The prinicpal never reported ANYTHING to ANYBODY.
The "freak" went to prison. The prinicpal was allowed to "retire" BUT they took away his pension. He fought and fought in the courts and eventually lost. Never got his pension.
As for where, we, as a "community" are supposed to send these "freaks" - I believe we need to create our own communities. Gated, carded, everyone there is seriously vetted before even being allowed into the gate. This could even expand into towns where the shops and sotre owners are vetted as well. Rather than "banish" these guys - let's just start our own place and keep them out kinda thing. Is this right? IDK - but this is a huge problem all over this country. Where I live in mega-urbanville - I have over 800 RSO's living within 5 miles of my house and I live right down the street from a public school - so they certainly can't live here.
I'm disgusted over this whole thing. It literally makes me sick to my stomach.
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?
I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.
So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
I can't believe it either. I have a real problem with the first 28-year old man (graduate assistant) not intervening and calling 911 right away. Instead he calls Daddy? Then Daddy calls JoePa and they all have a meeting the next day? Are you kidding me? If junior wasn't man enough to call 911, then I guess Daddy wasn't either. That makes me very angry. Were they so beholding to JoePa for junior's assistant job that they felt obligated to go through him and then keep quiet? I just don't get it.
If that was the 28-year old man's 10-year old brother, nephew, next door neighbor or sister being raped would he have intervened? Called 911? Or just called Daddy and had tea with JoePa the next day?
He was so appalled that he did nothing but tell Daddy and JoePa? He was so appalled that when nothing was ever done that he didn't go to the police on his own?
Same with the janitor. I don't give any of them a pass. They think that telling a supervisor resolves them of any responsibility. No. It was a child and they did nothing to stop it or report the crime to law enforcement. Talk about morally bankrupt. How could they not do anything???
Major moral issue for the individuals involved...all of them and an absolute institutional and cultural problem for Penn State. Those kids cheering at the pep rally on JoePa's lawn last night, need to read the indictment and do a little soul searching. Hope we don't see them having a pep rally for the recently departed former Bishop in Philly. Same thing.
JoePa should have left years ago. He doesn't get it and at his age, probably didn't get it 15 years ago and won't get it tomorrow. He should just leave now.
:twocents:
TexanMom
11-09-2011, 03:53 PM
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?
I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.
So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
And one calls his father instead of the cops!:banghead:
Emeralgem
11-09-2011, 04:08 PM
I can't believe it either. I have a real problem with the first 28-year old man (graduate assistant) not intervening and calling 911 right away. Instead he calls Daddy? Then Daddy calls JoePa and they all have a meeting the next day? Are you kidding me? If junior wasn't man enough to call 911, then I guess Daddy wasn't either. That makes me very angry. Were they so beholding to JoePa for junior's assistant job that they felt obligated to go through him and then keep quiet? I just don't get it.
If that was the 28-year old man's 10-year old brother, nephew, next door neighbor or sister being raped would he have intervened? Called 911? Or just called Daddy and had tea with JoePa the next day?
He was so appalled that he did nothing but tell Daddy and JoePa? He was so appalled that when nothing was ever done that he didn't go to the police on his own?
Same with the janitor. I don't give any of them a pass. They think that telling a supervisor resolves them of any responsibility. No. It was a child and they did nothing to stop it or report the crime to law enforcement. Talk about morally bankrupt. How could they not do anything???
Major moral issue for the individuals involved...all of them and an absolute institutional and cultural problem for Penn State. Those kids cheering at the pep rally on JoePa's lawn last night, need to read the indictment and do a little soul searching. Hope we don't see them having a pep rally for the recently departed former Bishop in Philly. Same thing.
JoePa should have left years ago. He doesn't get it and at his age, probably didn't get it 15 years ago and won't get it tomorrow. He should just leave now.:twocents:
Being a practicing Catholic could also have played a part in WHY Paterno and possibly others didn't do more to STOP the abuse. Unfortunately there has been and still is alot of denial going on concerning practicing Catholics, and the involvement of sexual abuse at the hands of those who have power in the church...For the record.. I am a Catholic...JMHO
ETA..For certain many parishoners refuse to confront the problem head on, just hoping it will ALL go away..JMHO
Clearly Confused
11-09-2011, 04:13 PM
I hope they all go.
Report: Penn State president will be gone by end of day
With news that longtime head football coach Joe Paterno plans to retire at the end of this season (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/AP-Paterno-to-retire-at-seasons-end.html), Penn State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/ppb/) president Graham Spanier will either resign or be voted out by the board of trustees (http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html?utm_source=dlv r.it&utm_medium=twitter) by the end of the day, according to The Express-Times.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=nfp-20111109_report_penn_state_president_will_be_gone_ by_end_of_day
Emeralgem
11-09-2011, 04:16 PM
I just heard on HLN a mother did report Sandusky back in 98' and her claims were basically dismissed by law enforcement authorities...
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 04:28 PM
Madden: Sandusky a State secret (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area) (Beaver County Times)
Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.
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It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
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This story's been known for quite awhile but, for whatever reason, it was buried until the attorney general released the damning report a few days ago. Much more by-now-familiar-sounding stuff at link above.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 05:37 PM
FoxSports's Bill Reiter, updating an earlier article in the aftermath of Joe Paterno's statement released earlier today:
Buried in the statement Joe Paterno released this morning announcing that he plans to retire at the end of this season is the final piece of evidence, if you are one of the few who still need it, that the man must be removed from his head-coaching job immediately.
“That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season,” it reads. “At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.”
Paterno, on the heels of a sex scandal involving allegations that Jerry Sandusky, his former defensive coordinator, serially abused young boys, and Paterno did not do enough to put a stop to that abuse when alerted in 2002, is now issuing instructions to the Board of Trustees?
Shame on you. The proper path forward is clear: Joe must go. Now. Today. Without another moment to lose.
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more here: Joe Paterno must step down....immediately (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Joe-Paterno-must-step-down-as-Penn-State-head-coach-immediately-110911)
Emeralgem
11-09-2011, 06:13 PM
Joe P needs to GO and GO NOW...
He just doesn't get it...
He stated in an interview I saw earlier that he prays for his grandchildren every night and he will NOW START praying for the victims.. I have a problem with his "NOW START" mentality....JMHO...
zippitydoda
11-09-2011, 07:03 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1
STATE COLLEGE, Pa., Nov. 9, 2011 — I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
-Devastated by the developments - yes, now that its all being seen in the light of day
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
-Best interests of this university - priority one
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
-Complete and utter arrogance - he's basically telling the BOT that he'll go out on his terms - not theirs
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.
-Diginity? That ship has sailed. Shame on you, and all others, who not only looked the other way, but went out of their way to continue to support this monster
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 07:21 PM
I was out watching the news with my 83 year old mother and HLN was playing this clip and she goes my god he sounds just like Michael Jackson.
You know she is right.
RAW VIDEO: Joe Paterno talks to Penn State students from his window - YouTube
BetteDavisEyes
11-09-2011, 07:27 PM
Being a practicing Catholic could also have played a part in WHY Paterno and possibly others didn't do more to STOP the abuse. Unfortunately there has been and still is alot of denial going on concerning practicing Catholics, and the involvement of sexual abuse at the hands of those who have power in the church...For the record.. I am a Catholic...JMHO
ETA..For certain many parishoners refuse to confront the problem head on, just hoping it will ALL go away..JMHO
DH and I had this exact conversation when he got home this evening. (I attended parochial school for 12 years.) The circumstances in the Penn State case are very similar to sex abuse cases that have come to light involving Catholic priests. Both of my brothers were altar boys, neither ever married, and both have had strained relationships with women all their lives. I can't help wondering if one or both of them were victims of one of our parish priests. If something like this had taken place, they would have been terrified to report such behavior to our parents, let alone going to LE. jmo
Steely Dan
11-09-2011, 07:31 PM
I agree that he came to work every day for 61 years and worked on behalf of the best interests of the university. Fair statement, and no he does not get it.
Now I understand why the University does not want to cut him loose and have him handle this on his own, as another poster alluded to.
I think we know who wields the most power at Penn State now. It's Joe and I bet it was back when all of this happened. So the, "I reported it to my superiors", doesn't fly with me. He was the El Supremo at Penn State. I wonder if he didn't pressure the "higher ups" to look the other way. JMO
Report: PSU may oust president Spanier today (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33204477)
more at cbssports.com link above
When the President goes Joe should be walking right next to him. JMO
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/ap-paterno-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-season/1
STATE COLLEGE, Pa., Nov. 9, 2011 — I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
-Devastated by the developments - yes, now that its all being seen in the light of day
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
-Best interests of this university - priority one
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
-Complete and utter arrogance - he's basically telling the BOT that he'll go out on his terms - not theirs
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.
-Diginity? That ship has sailed. Shame on you, and all others, who not only looked the other way, but went out of their way to continue to support this monster
:clap: :clap:
Madden: Sandusky a State secret (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area) (Beaver County Times)
Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.
This story's been known for quite awhile but, for whatever reason, it was buried until the attorney general released the damning report a few days ago. Much more by-now-familiar-sounding stuff at link above.
From the above linked article (BBM) :
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?
Untoward acts?!! Hey Madden, I appreciate your interest but, really, untoward acts? How about criminal acts against children?
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 07:37 PM
Probably should go back looking for missing little boys in this guys time period.
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 07:38 PM
From the above linked article (BBM) :
Untoward acts?!! Hey Madden, I appreciate your interest but, really, untoward acts? How about criminal acts against children?
Or why not rapes?
Or why not rapes?
You are right. Here, I fixed Madden's quote:
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for the continued rape of children since committed by Sandusky?
That sounds better.
(disclaimer: in case anyone missed it, I altered that above quote by Madden. That is not an accurate quote)
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Untoward acts?!! Hey Madden, I appreciate your interest but, really, untoward acts? How about criminal acts against children?
To be fair to Mark Madden, I don't think anyone (that is, anyone off the Penn State campus) knew of the exact and harrowing nature of Sandusky's acts until the attorney general's report was released this week, seven months after the article was published.
To be fair to Mark Madden, I don't think anyone (that is, anyone off the Penn State campus) knew of the exact and harrowing nature of Sandusky's acts until the attorney general's report was released this week, seven months after the article was published.
Thank you! I didn't notice the date of that article. Ok, backing off Madden, for now.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 07:51 PM
Nike Has No Comment On Penn State, Does Have A Child Care Center In Oregon Named For Joe Paterno (http://deadspin.com/5858034/nike-has-no-comment-on-penn-state-does-have-a-child-care-center-in-oregon-named-for-joe-paterno?tag=pennstatescandal)
The story at Deadspin link above.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 07:57 PM
Another one from Deadspin (which has done yeoman work in looking into every aspect of the Penn State/Sandusky et al. case)
The Mystery Of Ray Gricar, The Prosecutor Who Failed To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky (And Who Might Be Dead) (http://deadspin.com/5857966/the-mystery-of-ray-gricar-the-prosecutor-who-failed-to-prosecute-jerry-sandusky-and-who-might-be-dead?tag=pennstatescandal)
Again, WS does have a well-established thread on the Gricar disappearance:PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #6.
Deadspin article at link above is a good overview of the case, in light of what has recently transpired.
believe09
11-09-2011, 08:37 PM
I can't believe it either. I have a real problem with the first 28-year old man (graduate assistant) not intervening and calling 911 right away. Instead he calls Daddy? Then Daddy calls JoePa and they all have a meeting the next day? Are you kidding me? If junior wasn't man enough to call 911, then I guess Daddy wasn't either. That makes me very angry. Were they so beholding to JoePa for junior's assistant job that they felt obligated to go through him and then keep quiet? I just don't get it.
If that was the 28-year old man's 10-year old brother, nephew, next door neighbor or sister being raped would he have intervened? Called 911? Or just called Daddy and had tea with JoePa the next day?
He was so appalled that he did nothing but tell Daddy and JoePa? He was so appalled that when nothing was ever done that he didn't go to the police on his own?
Same with the janitor. I don't give any of them a pass. They think that telling a supervisor resolves them of any responsibility. No. It was a child and they did nothing to stop it or report the crime to law enforcement. Talk about morally bankrupt. How could they not do anything???
Major moral issue for the individuals involved...all of them and an absolute institutional and cultural problem for Penn State. Those kids cheering at the pep rally on JoePa's lawn last night, need to read the indictment and do a little soul searching. Hope we don't see them having a pep rally for the recently departed former Bishop in Philly. Same thing.
JoePa should have left years ago. He doesn't get it and at his age, probably didn't get it 15 years ago and won't get it tomorrow. He should just leave now.
:twocents:
Wish I could double thank this post.
believe09
11-09-2011, 08:41 PM
Anyone else curious as to why Mrs Sandusky called one of the victims?? Before his GJ testimony, IIRC.
wfgodot
11-09-2011, 08:46 PM
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The U.S. Department of Education said it will launch an investigation into whether Penn State failed to comply with an act requiring colleges and universities to disclose the number of reported criminal incidents on campus each year. "In addition, in certain cases, the institution must issue a timely warning if a reported crime represents a threat to the campus community," it said in a statement.
"If these allegations of sexual abuse are true then this is a horrible tragedy for those young boys. If it turns out that some people at the school knew of the abuse and did nothing or covered it up, that makes it even worse," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement. "Schools and school officials have a legal and moral responsibility to protect children and young people from violence and abuse."
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/09/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Anyone else curious as to why Mrs Sandusky called one of the victims?? Before his GJ testimony, IIRC.
Yes.
Isn't that witness tampering?
I also wonder if Mrs. Sandusky knew that there was more than one child involved.
Yes.
Isn't that witness tampering?
I also wonder if Mrs. Sandusky knew that there was more than one child involved.
And then you have to ask, if it was your husband, how many children would need to be involved before you kicked him to the curb?
cluciano63
11-09-2011, 09:30 PM
Another one from Deadspin (which has done yeoman work in looking into every aspect of the Penn State/Sandusky et al. case)
The Mystery Of Ray Gricar, The Prosecutor Who Failed To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky (And Who Might Be Dead) (http://deadspin.com/5857966/the-mystery-of-ray-gricar-the-prosecutor-who-failed-to-prosecute-jerry-sandusky-and-who-might-be-dead?tag=pennstatescandal)
Again, WS does have a well-established thread on the Gricar disappearance:PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134500).
Deadspin article at link above is a good overview of the case, in light of what has recently transpired.
IMO, Deadspin almost always does a great job in reporting and investigating and are almost always right on the money as far as I know. They don't get enough credit.
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 09:51 PM
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
#Paterno is out. #PSUcharges
2 minutes ago
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
Assistant coach, Tom Bradley is interim coach. #PSUcharges
3 minutes ago
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
Action News source says #JoePaterno will not coach another game. #Spanier has resigned. #PSUcharges
4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/#!/Jim_Gardner
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 09:55 PM
No doubt in my mind what they are learning from the new victims coming out is Peterno knew a lot. It wasn't just one victim reported to him.
raeann
11-09-2011, 10:00 PM
Here is a great commentary article from the LA Times......and Penn State may actually DESERVE for all these predictions to come true. What a shameful legacy..... I feel sorry for the student athletes committed to the school and can only hope that the NCAA actually DOES decide to release all of them to transfer without penalty of sitting out a year at their new schools.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1110-dufresne-penn-state-20111110-8,0,2314350.column?page=2
Michael Pilato, the original painter of a large mural on Hiester Street in State College, PA, which featured notable Penn State figureheads, made the decision to paint over the face of the school’s former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
...
http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/jerry-sanduskys-face-painted-over-in-famous-state-college-mural/?eref=sircrc
pinkfly
11-09-2011, 10:15 PM
Yes, as more victims come forward I think the scope of the story will get much broader. I am glad these victims are old enough to remember and now be heard. If I was a mother of a victim that told me and it still got swept under the rug I believe that I would be screaming from the mountain tops until someone listened. I feel bad for the families and, of course, especially for the young boys. We may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg and many victims may have already self-destructed because of this.
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 10:16 PM
WBTV_News WBTV_News
BREAKING NEWS: Penn State Board of Trustees announces Joe Paterno has been fired as football coach. #cltnews
1 minute ago
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 10:20 PM
bc3340 ABC 33/40 News
BREAKING #PennState president also fired.
WBTV_News WBTV_News
BREAKING NEWS: Penn State Board of Trustees announces Joe Paterno has been fired as football coach. #cltnews
1 minute ago
Now Spainer needs to be fired and not allowed to resign.
Now Spainer needs to be fired and not allowed to resign.
Ooops I posted too soon! :great:
Concerned Papa
11-09-2011, 10:22 PM
No doubt in my mind what they are learning from the new victims coming out is Peterno knew a lot. It wasn't just one victim reported to him.
Unless you subscribe to the theory that Paterno is completely brain dead, you have to acknowledge that Paterno knew EXACTLY what kind of animal Sandusky is.
Read the indictment! He didn't make much effort at trying to hide. He brought several of his victims TO the Penn State team showers. He was observed preforming oral sex on one child by a janitor, as well as being seen by the grad student while committing anal rape on another child. BOTH in the wide open, fully lighted, team showers! That's not even COUNTING the number of these children paraded around by this FREAK at team functions and on the sidelines at team games!
Paterno KNEW. Damn him, he knew and did nothing to protect these children.
bc3340 ABC 33/40 News
BREAKING #PennState president also fired.
I wonder what happens to Penn State funding the attorneys for the other scumbuckets?
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 10:27 PM
I wonder what happens to Penn State funding the attorneys for the other scumbuckets?
Oh I am sure some government agency will declare the school to big to fail and bail them out when the lawsuits pile up.
raeann
11-09-2011, 10:27 PM
Now let's hope the NCAA steps up to the plate and releases these young athletes. They should not be held committed to an athletic department that is in ruins and one that falsely came into their homes and spoke of honor and integrity to their parents!!
jmo
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
#Paterno is out. #PSUcharges
2 minutes ago
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
Assistant coach, Tom Bradley is interim coach. #PSUcharges
3 minutes ago
Jim Gardner
Jim_Gardner Jim Gardner
Action News source says #JoePaterno will not coach another game. #Spanier has resigned. #PSUcharges
4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/#!/Jim_Gardner
YES!
Finally.
Concerned Papa
11-09-2011, 10:36 PM
Coach Joe Paterno and the president of the school have lost their jobs, effective immediately, over a child sex abuse scandal at Penn State, university trustees announced Wednesday night.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/09/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
That's step one.
I have the feeling that these guys don't even understand what all the fuss is about.
strawberry
11-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Spanier's out, Paterno's out. I always thought Paterno would die on the field. When I went to PSU I had a life size cutout of Paterno (I can't quite call him Joe Pa anymore). My cousin went to Notre Dame; it was quite a rivalry. It' all so lost now....there must be so many more victims that we don't even know about. Yet. WHO WAS THAT 10 YEAR OLD BOY??!!
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 10:46 PM
bobkealing bob kealing
It got ugly years ago“@byronpitts: “@edlavaCNN: Students turning out in support of #JoePaterno on campus #PennState. This could get ugly.””
Got to love Bob Kealing
strawberry
11-09-2011, 10:49 PM
bobkealing bob kealing
It got ugly years ago“@byronpitts: “@edlavaCNN: Students turning out in support of #JoePaterno on campus #PennState. This could get ugly.””
Got to love Bob Kealing
I've followed him since the FCA case. I had tweeted him this:
@DailyCollegian
The Daily Collegian
Students are descending on Old Main, chanting "Joe Paterno" and "F--- the board." #PSUCharges #PSUBOT
;)
Concerned Papa
11-09-2011, 10:49 PM
But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. From the Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 2.
These powerful words have been my Internet signature for many years and have never been more relevant than tonight.
strawberry
11-09-2011, 10:50 PM
@DailyCollegian
The Daily Collegian
As far as we can tell, Beaver Canyon is clear. Steady stream of students running to Old Main.
@DailyCollegian
The Daily Collegian
Crowd does not appear violent, though certainly riled up. The entire lawn is filling up.
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 10:56 PM
bobkealing bob kealing
The event described in 2002 in the Penn St locker room would be a life felony in Florida with no statute of limitations for prosecution.
4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
raeann
11-09-2011, 10:57 PM
I've followed him since the FCA case. I had tweeted him this:
@DailyCollegian
The Daily Collegian
Students are descending on Old Main, chanting "Joe Paterno" and "F--- the board." #PSUCharges #PSUBOT
;)
mmmmm.....real classy......they should all just go home and study and be quietly embarrassed. So far none of this is the students fault.....unless they participate in furthering the scandalous behavior.
strawberry
11-09-2011, 10:59 PM
@DailyCollegian The Daily Collegian
Pugh Street is SWARMING with students. Police will have their hands full with this. #PSUCharges pic.twitter.com/KGkh8F3v
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:00 PM
bobkealing bob kealing
The event described in 2002 in the Penn St locker room would be a life felony in Florida with no statute of limitations for prosecution.
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IF they could find a jury that isn't well, you know....
Wise Old Owl
11-09-2011, 11:00 PM
CNN national channel is covering all this right now.
I truly hope someone that can talk to the students comes forward and it ends up being nothing but a gathering of students.
I believed from the get go that Paterno knew more and knew for a long time. But that's JMHO
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:02 PM
I was out watching the news with my 83 year old mother and HLN was playing this clip and she goes my god he sounds just like Michael Jackson.
You know she is right.
RAW VIDEO: Joe Paterno talks to Penn State students from his window - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0EeTDWVPc)
YES! He also reminded me of my 81 YO MIL who has dementia.
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:04 PM
CNN saying the students going from Old Main (the admin bldg) to Beaver Ave....which is off campus.
Wise Old Owl
11-09-2011, 11:04 PM
Mike Galanos is there. He's saying that all the students are assembling at Beaver Avenue and that he (Mike and crew) are getting ready to head over there.
Please Lord don't let this get ugly. Its already ugly enough.
Peazzzer
11-09-2011, 11:07 PM
Yep, this whole worm turned and it makes me sick! When are childrens lives going to stop being bargained with? Lets keep cutting education classes like art and cursive writing in k through 12 and hand the money saved to corrupt sports! I wonder how much money was passed under the table, hush money.I mean, Look at the bet boards in bars, thats nuthn compared to the money on these games. I bet Nebraskas odds Just went up. Its ugly now and just about to uglier. If I had been the janitor, Sandusky would have been lucky if I had called the poleese, for sure. And Dr. Fessel, I am w you! Coach Joe or ex coach Joe knew wayyy more, those filthy pigs.
twall
11-09-2011, 11:09 PM
CNN has had live coverage for about the past hour. I alerted the scanner peeps.
ynotdivein
11-09-2011, 11:14 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/11/09/pennsylvania.coach.abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
' Paterno was given the news of the unanimous decision early Wednesday evening in a telephone call made by chairman of the board Steve Garban and Surma. Asked Paterno's reaction, Surma said, "That's a private discussion that I would rather not characterize." '
zippitydoda
11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
If it gets ugly, I hope that snippets videos of any violent students are made and their names tagged to the video. Then when they go for job interviews in a few years, and their prospective employer Google’s their name - there they are in all their "righteousness".
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:16 PM
@DailyCollegian
The Daily Collegian
Hard to get a good view, but atmosphere is crazy. Fireworks were set off; police used mace on student. #PSUCharges
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:19 PM
Oh my. Beaver Avenue is TT on twitter.
ynotdivein
11-09-2011, 11:21 PM
:seeya:
My fellow WSers... at this particular moment, with the allegations we know of and the grand jury presentment at hand, and terminations being announced and students apparently in the streets--can we please refrain from team-specific posts?
The news that we are learning of does not represent a victory for anyone, unless it is for the victims of this man, who are finally, many years too late, being heard.
Where this post falls is random.
Peazzzer
11-09-2011, 11:34 PM
Dr Phil w ACooper on CNN-we have to look the hardest at the people who reach out to children...paraphrased...tragic because who can parents trust. So true! Also, how do you witness a crime like that and go home and eat dinner? The janitor may have thought it was taken care of since the Sandusky dude lost his shower privledges. wow, wow, i just cant fathom whiskey tango foxtrot seeing that and not confronting the perv then and there. I hope they all end up in the bighouse and get to experience everything and then some that those kids did! ew ew ew. i cant stop crying. dang.
strawberry
11-09-2011, 11:34 PM
:seeya:
My fellow WSers... at this particular moment, with the allegations we know of and the grand jury presentment at hand, and terminations being announced and students apparently in the streets--can we please refrain from team-specific posts?
The news that we are learning of does not represent a victory for anyone, unless it is for the victims of this man, who are finally, many years too late, being heard.
Where this post falls is random.
I pray that the 10 year old seen by McQueary being RAPED will come forward. That poor boy....
Dr.Fessel
11-09-2011, 11:55 PM
I pray that the 10 year old seen by McQueary being RAPED will come forward. That poor boy....
and I hope McQueary has to look him in the eye during court.
doubt
11-09-2011, 11:59 PM
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
i am the sole parent of four, three of whom are boys. if one of my sons had been welcomed into a program like the second mile, i'd have considered it a godsend. i would bet that is exactly what the mothers of these boys felt. and i would bet the boys thought they'd finally found some hero-men to believe in them, build them up, just HELP them. i can just feel what these people thought they were getting, if that makes sense. and it makes me cry bc i can't count the times i've wished my boys had a decent male role-model.
i suspect that the victims and the mothers of those victims don't give a friggin' iota about paterno's "brilliant" career. and neither should anyone else who has even a sliver of morality running through them. paterno lost the right to last hurrah when he failed to protect the right of god knows how many boys, the chance at a first one.
we're talking about the rape and terrorizing of minor children. to minimize that is just wrong.
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 12:01 AM
It's just so hard to fathom that this went unreported to LE for so very long. Was it Victim 2 where the person who happened upon the act said that he knew Sandusky and the boy saw him? What kind of hopelessness must that child have felt?
It's OK to keep posting about this case but please do refrain from cheering for Penn's rival teams and whatnot. This goes way beyond that.
Concerned Papa
11-10-2011, 12:05 AM
As it relates to Paterno, what this freak did to these children is no different than bringing his victims to YOUR house, raping them in YOUR bathroom, even LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN!
You just gonna shrug your shoulders and do NOTHING?
WillenFan21
11-10-2011, 12:07 AM
aplusk ashton kutcher
How do you fire Jo Pa? #insult #noclass as a hawkeye fan I find it in poor taste
12 minutes ago
I will no longer be following Ashton. I am sure he will get slammed for that comment.
You would not believe the people supporting this guy. I am shocked over it. This stuff is happening 2 hours from me.
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 12:11 AM
BreakingNews Breaking News
ESPN reporter: Penn St students have flipped over a media van; demonstration turning violent - from broadcast
2 minutes ago
And no stations are carrying it live I can find.
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 12:17 AM
Latest from CNN:
Penn State president removed, Paterno out immediately (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/11/09/pennsylvania.coach.abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
"State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Coach Joe Paterno and the president of the school have lost their jobs, effective immediately, over a child sex abuse scandal at Penn State, university trustees announced Wednesday night.
"What can I say, I'm no longer the coach," Paterno told a crowd of about 15 students gathered outside his house late Wednesday night. "It's going to take some time to get used to. It's been 61 years."
The crowd cheered and said, "We love you, Joe."
"I love you, too!" Paterno replied.
Paterno's wife, Sue, was visibly upset while standing beside him on the front steps."
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 12:21 AM
I can't believe Penn State's students are continuing to embarrass themselves and their school more and more by the minute. This is NOT a cause you will look back on and be proud you were a part of guys.
Here's a picture of the media van - http://twitter.com/jon_wertheim/status/134496542479495168/photo/1/large
Peazzzer
11-10-2011, 12:27 AM
Another sad thing about this situation is that when kids are molested, they may act out on it in a year, five years, twenty years etc later in a self destructive manor. It happened to me, but I never, ever thought it would happen to my DD AND my DS. I got drunk regularly at 10 yo, it has affected my DD in relationships and my DS blew his face off and gets to live with that as well everyday. His molester was convicted again soon after he got paroled and sits in PC while refusing treatment, being preserved on our dime. Just makes me sick, but this situation makes me even sicker. I dont understand the PS students reactions but in a way i do-a dirty little secret that when it is found out, the victim is villified.
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 12:28 AM
I can't believe Penn State's students are continuing to embarrass themselves and their school more and more by the minute. This is NOT a cause you will look back on and be proud you were a part of guys.
Here's a picture of the media van - http://twitter.com/jon_wertheim/status/134496542479495168/photo/1/large
Makes me wonder how many of those people would just turn their heads to a little boy being raped. They are about the same age McQueary was when he turned his head.
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 12:45 AM
the sports blog SportsByBrooks has tweeted a few teases tonight concerning some "new, major allegation" in the Sandusky case that will be announced in the next few days. Here are some of the tweets and a link to his Twitter page. I'm not a fan of his, AT ALL and this is the only place I've seen any mention of this, so take it as you will. I totally expected many more victims to come forward in the coming days and weeks, but I'm not sure I, or Penn State, can handle anything worse than what has already been reported.
@SPORTSbyBROOKS - https://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS
"I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday"
"If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public."
Peachy
11-10-2011, 12:48 AM
BreakingNews Breaking News
ESPN reporter: Penn St students have flipped over a media van; demonstration turning violent - from broadcast
2 minutes ago
And no stations are carrying it live I can find.
I think ESPN is showing live coverage.
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 12:50 AM
What it all comes down to is how many soaped up little boys did it take to keep the wheels turning on the 50 million dollar a year football money machine.
I am afraid we will only know a fraction of the true number. Everything on that campus bought with that money is tainted.
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 12:51 AM
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
33 minutes ago
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 12:51 AM
the sports blog SportsByBrooks has tweeted a few teases tonight concerning some "new, major allegation" in the Sandusky case that will be announced in the next few days. Here are some of the tweets and a link to his Twitter page. I'm not a fan of his, AT ALL and this is the only place I've seen any mention of this, so take it as you will. I totally expected many more victims to come forward in the coming days and weeks, but I'm not sure I, or Penn State, can handle anything worse than what has already been reported.
@SPORTSbyBROOKS - https://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS
"I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday"
"If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public." I have heard that same thing from a friend.
Cortne
11-10-2011, 12:57 AM
OMG how can this get any worse? I dont even want to imagine.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 12:58 AM
ESPN has live coverage
doubt
11-10-2011, 12:59 AM
espn just posted paterno's reaction to being fired.
''I am disappointed with the Board of Trustees' decision, but I have to accept it.
A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed. I appreciate the outpouring of support but want to emphasize that everyone should remain calm and please respect the university, its property and all that we value.
I have been incredibly blessed to spend my entire career working with people I love. I am grateful beyond words to all of the coaches, players and staff who have been a part of this program. And to all of our fans and supporters, my family and I will be forever in your debt.''
and no...i am not making this crap up. what a complete loser.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 12:59 AM
Have also heard that there are now upwards of 20 victims that have come forward in the wake of this all hitting the fan.
Wonder how many more there are?
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 01:02 AM
OMG how can this get any worse? I dont even want to imagine. All I was told was it was horrific and would come out soon. The person was so upset I did not push for facts.
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:03 AM
the sports blog SportsByBrooks has tweeted a few teases tonight concerning some "new, major allegation" in the Sandusky case that will be announced in the next few days. Here are some of the tweets and a link to his Twitter page. I'm not a fan of his, AT ALL and this is the only place I've seen any mention of this, so take it as you will. I totally expected many more victims to come forward in the coming days and weeks, but I'm not sure I, or Penn State, can handle anything worse than what has already been reported.
@SPORTSbyBROOKS - https://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS
"I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday"
"If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public."
i don't do twitter but why doesn't somebody tell this dude to stop bsing and spill it..... this is child rape. it's not the kind of crap that ought to be "tease" material. for god's sake.
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 01:04 AM
espn just posted paterno's reaction to being fired.
''I am disappointed with the Board of Trustees' decision, but I have to accept it.
A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed. I appreciate the outpouring of support but want to emphasize that everyone should remain calm and please respect the university, its property and all that we value.
I have been incredibly blessed to spend my entire career working with people I love. I am grateful beyond words to all of the coaches, players and staff who have been a part of this program. And to all of our fans and supporters, my family and I will be forever in your debt.''
and no...i am not making this crap up. what a complete loser.
How inhumane can a person be.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:04 AM
All I was told was it was horrific and would come out soon. The person was so upset I did not push for facts.
Is it even more disgusting, horrific acts or does it deal with someone knowing something for a long time?
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 01:05 AM
It seems we will find out in the coming days. Joe Pa initially indicating he would finish out the season, and then suddenly tonight the announcement that he's canned? Indicates we might need to fasten our seatbelts. That grand jury presentment might be just the tip of the iceberg?
Cortne
11-10-2011, 01:06 AM
aplusk ashton kutcher
Heard Joe was fired, fully recant previous tweet! Didn't have full story. #admitwhenYoumakemistakes
31 minutes ago
<modsnip>. imo. I felt like I have to post his recant, he spoke before he knew the story apparently.
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 01:07 AM
Is it even more disgusting, horrific acts or does it deal with someone knowing something for a long time?Honestly I have no idea but I imagine the leak is coming from someone having trouble dealing with it. This is all IMO.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:07 AM
ESPN just switched over to an NBA news conference but CNN national now has live coverage - showing video of the students in the streets.
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 01:14 AM
Have also heard that there are now upwards of 20 victims that have come forward in the wake of this all hitting the fan.
Wonder how many more there are?
Sadly, I don't think we'll ever know the actual # of victims this pedophile had, but I believe the # we will know will be more than any of us want to think about. This is a horrible tragedy for all of the victims and it is also sad to see Joe Paterno's career end this way, but it had to happen and I applaud Penn State for finally attempting to do the right thing. However, as tragic as all of this is, there's a part of me that thinks this could actually be a good thing for victims of sexual abuse in the long run. Hopefully, this very public discussion will make victims feel more comfortable to come forward to report abuse and also help remove some of the stigma they feel as victims. We've already seen how many victims of Sandusky's have come forward in the last couple of days that were previously unknown and the only reason we know about them now is because they finally knew they weren't going to be ridiculed or not believed.
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:14 AM
Is it even more disgusting, horrific acts or does it deal with someone knowing something for a long time?
my thoughts exactly.....although i also wondered if it might have to do with a missing former prosecutor, but i don't guess that's likely.
here's a question. if you guys have posted about this on fb, have you gotten much reaction? i posted about it and the ODDEST thing is, nobody said a word! that never happens so i was just sort of puzzled by it.
eileenhawkeye
11-10-2011, 01:15 AM
I live in Iowa now, but I am a huge college football fan of a team in the state I am originally from. Our stadium sits 56k, but unless we are doing really well, we sit between 35k-45k. I've always dreamed of having that college football culture where the entire state is behind the team. But after watching how the Penn State fans have reacted, I'll take college football being a niche in my state instead of some creepy blind loyalty thing where the Dear Leader can do no wrong.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:15 AM
Here's what I've been wondering tonight and just might add some insight to what Dr. Fessel has said. All these victims - young boys - years ago - having to deal with what's been done to them and keeping quiet and all those nasty feelings that come with that.
I've been wondering if any of the victims have tried to (or even successfully) committed suicide?
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 01:17 AM
*unsure first name* Carroll reporting in by phone to CNN now that as many as 12 new victims have come forward since Tuesday.
Just caught the tail end of that--hoping someone has the whole interview?
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:18 AM
Here's what I've been wondering tonight and just might add some insight to what Dr. Fessel has said. All these victims - young boys - years ago - having to deal with what's been done to them and keeping quiet and all those nasty feelings that come with that.
I've been wondering if any of the victims have tried to (or even successfully) committed suicide?
i believe that is entirely likely. and i also believe that many people, including paterno, will not find news of it surprising.
i so hope it isn't true.
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 01:19 AM
my thoughts exactly.....although i also wondered if it might have to do with a missing former prosecutor, but i don't guess that's likely.
here's a question. if you guys have posted about this on fb, have you gotten much reaction? i posted about it and the ODDEST thing is, nobody said a word! that never happens so i was just sort of puzzled by it.
I haven't posted anything on FB, but Twitter is blowing up with it. My timeline is nothing but this.
hornswoggled
11-10-2011, 01:20 AM
There comes the day when it's time to pay the piper. I do have to wonder how many sleepless nights Joe spent worrying about the children who were victims. He knew about them. He said he wishes he had "done more". I do not believe him.
As for Sandusky, he is what he is. The same as a rabid dog. A rabid dog is recognized for what it is and stopped in its tracks. Sandusky should have been stopped. Paterno had the power to do exactly that and he made the choice to do nothing.......
I wonder how many sleepless fear-filled nights those kids had.........
azwriter
11-10-2011, 01:20 AM
Once again JoePa wanted to have it his way. By announcing he would retire at the end of the season, he thought he could handle the events. It was never his decision as to when he left. It has always been up to the University officials.
I believe JoePa didn't go any further when told about Sandusky's behavior in the shower because he wanted to protect the school and the football program in chief. No way did he want this made public.
If Jerry Sandusky had been leaking plays and game plans to other teams in the Big 12, JoePa would certainly had followed up when he found out. If Jerry was stealing equipment or money or hurting the program, Joe would have been all over him.
The men who did not bring this to law enforcement were protecting themselves. They are cowards and cared nothing about the young boys being harmed.
I am glad JoePa has been fired. Mainly it is time for Penn State to take this all seriously. Coach Joe, the AD, University President and others let go should go into hiding and not show their face or voice their opinions on this for a long time. Let the legal system take its course in this horrific crime. Imagine the civil law suits that will no doubt come down on the school in the future. The worst is yet to come.
I love college football. I am glued to the tv every Saturday. But dam it, a football program will never be more important than a child's wellbeing.
just my O
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:20 AM
aplusk ashton kutcher
Heard Joe was fired, fully recant previous tweet! Didn't have full story. #admitwhenYoumakemistakes
31 minutes ago
Idiot. imo. I felt like I have to post his recant, he spoke before he knew the story apparently.
he was probably in the hot tub, distracted.
<modsnip>.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:21 AM
There's been some talk about the financial impact this will all have on Penn State. The millions of $$$$ in lawsuits, NCAA sanctions (possibly), etc etc.
Here's a question:
How do you feel if Penn State gets mired down in all this money-wise, that the government or Dept of Ed offers to bail them out? Should they?
ynotdivein
11-10-2011, 01:27 AM
It is just so hard for me to accept that ALL of these men failed in one of the most basic principles of education--in loco parentis. IMO every single one of these men had an absolute moral responsibility to report what they saw or suspected to law enforcement, and I don't mean to campus police.
McQuerie, good god. You made out ok in the GJ presentment. But how did you hold this sick secret knowledge inside you all this time?
*Ynot stomps off and sits on her own hands*
pinkfly
11-10-2011, 01:28 AM
The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:29 AM
But you see - Dr. Phil talking about what parents should do to protect their children. He said if you have someone that wants "to help" or whatever - that you do a background check on them. How would THAT have helped in this case? It wouldn't - not at all. Sandusky was an asst. coach for Penn State - Paterno's right arm, if you will. What would a background check have pulled up on him anyway?
This guy CREATED the perfect setup and execution with his "Second Mile" foundation.
Makes you wonder what his wife must be thinking tonight - don't it? It was her house too - she knew about that bedroom in the basement and that yound boys frequently spent the night there.
Salem
11-10-2011, 01:30 AM
There's been some talk about the financial impact this will all have on Penn State. The millions of $$$$ in lawsuits, NCAA sanctions (possibly), etc etc.
Here's a question:
How do you feel if Penn State gets mired down in all this money-wise, that the government or Dept of Ed offers to bail them out? Should they?
NO! Absolutely not. Penn State made a lot of money off this football program and at the expense of several victims. Penn State can pay or go down!
Salem
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 01:31 AM
I live in Iowa now, but I am a huge college football fan of a team in the state I am originally from. Our stadium sits 56k, but unless we are doing really well, we sit between 35k-45k. I've always dreamed of having that college football culture where the entire state is behind the team. But after watching how the Penn State fans have reacted, I'll take college football being a niche in my state instead of some creepy blind loyalty thing where the Dear Leader can do no wrong.
Prior to this news I was on one side of the craziest stories in college football and now the ridiculously stupid things that have gone on with our fans, including the poisoning of 150 year old oaks trees, look so silly and unimportant. I live Auburn football and we take football pretty seriously, but I could never imagine confusing football and real life like some at PSU are doing. No, I'm not one of the rednecks on last night's ESPN documentary, but I am married to an Alabama fan and that means I'm in a "mixed" couple according to ESPN. :floorlaugh:
Dr.Fessel
11-10-2011, 01:35 AM
I think we are going to find out there were kids really physically hurt by this freak and his rapes and they had a dr. help them. IMO
Cortne
11-10-2011, 01:35 AM
he was probably in the hot tub, distracted.
<modsnip>.Will u remove my rude remark pls? :)
LolaMoon08
11-10-2011, 01:37 AM
It makes me really sad to see all these young adults protesting (rioting?) the firing of Joe P. when they should have been protesting (rioting) for his immediate resignation.
Joe P is no better than all these mothers who sit back and watch their children being abused/killed by their boyfriends. He was in a position of power at Penn State. A man who was idolized and respected. How could he turn his back on these innocent children?? For the sake of a football program??
Something tells me this is going to get a heck of a lot worse before it gets better.
Hopefully all these students will go home and really think about what this is all about and it isn't about a stupid football coach or stupid football team. This is about numerous peoples lives that have been destroyed by the actions of all the people involved... just because Joe P. didn't molest these children with his own hands... he victimized them just as much by knowing what was going on and allowing it to continue.
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 01:43 AM
There's been some talk about the financial impact this will all have on Penn State. The millions of $$$$ in lawsuits, NCAA sanctions (possibly), etc etc.
Here's a question:
How do you feel if Penn State gets mired down in all this money-wise, that the government or Dept of Ed offers to bail them out? Should they?
I don't think anyone should give them any financial assistance to put toward any liabilities resulting from these crimes, but if someone did, it would be the state of Pennsylvannia, not the Federal Gov or Dept or Education. I'm sure in a a round about way there will ultimately be money "moved around" in the state's education budget to help offset some of the $100's of millions that could likely be in jeopardy from future civil judgments, but I can't see any direct funding being tolerated by state residents. Penn State probably has one of the largest endowments among public schools, which they can use to pay some of the victims or in a more likely scenario use as security for much larger loans or lines of credit. I doubt any insurance policy they could possibly have would pay out in the event of voluntary criminal acts, but you never know I guess. You can be sure that the school won't be offering any financial assistance to help with judgments that may be won by victims against the various individuals in their individual capacities.
pinkfly
11-10-2011, 01:47 AM
Some day when these protesting students are sending their own children to sports camps I hope tonight comes back to haunt them big time. They may be wanting to fight against the fact that their school is now very tarnished but they are really making it worse.
Totally agree with earlier post about the need to let the athletes out of their commitment without a year penalty. Kind of tough on the recruiters now......
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 01:47 AM
Thankx elainebenice.
Wonder if endowments can be taken back or cancelled or terminated?
hhmmmm..............:waitasec:
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:52 AM
There's been some talk about the financial impact this will all have on Penn State. The millions of $$$$ in lawsuits, NCAA sanctions (possibly), etc etc.
Here's a question:
How do you feel if Penn State gets mired down in all this money-wise, that the government or Dept of Ed offers to bail them out? Should they?
i read an article suggesting this might happen. it might have been a comment after the article. my brain is fried at the moment. but in answer to your question.....HE double hockey sticks NO. i would like to think if it ever became a real possibility, the public outcry would prevent it.
doubt
11-10-2011, 01:54 AM
oops. sorry for that ashton k remark. i should go to sleep now, clearly.
elainebenice
11-10-2011, 01:57 AM
Thankx elainebenice.
Wonder if endowments can be taken back or cancelled or terminated?
hhmmmm..............:waitasec:
Individual donors can place various stipulations and restrictions on their donations, but it typically doesn't include any that would trigger a refund, although I'm sure its possible. Generally, the school's total investment value is referred to as its endowment and based on a quick google search, it looks like Penn State's endowment as of last year was approximately $1.52 billion.
Wise Old Owl
11-10-2011, 02:04 AM
What channel you watching Dr.?
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