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Filly
11-16-2010, 06:16 PM
A woman who survived a brutal attack by a rapist in Philadelphia's Kensington section has police wondering if they have a serial murderer on their hands.

Last week I posted about poor Elaine Goldberg and how the poor young woman's body was found in a lot strangled. Police also found the body of Nicole Piacentini. A third woman survived an attack.

I'll link to the sketch and my previous thread. Meanwhile my heart goes out to Nicole's family especially her mom and to the poor young woman who thankfully is alive.


http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Third-Woman-Survives-Attack-in-Kensington-108454579.html

Filly
11-16-2010, 06:24 PM
35 year old Nicole Piacentini of Port Richmond's body was found halfway outside a doorway of an abandoned building not far from where Elaine Goldberg's body was found.

Nicole's death was not ruled a homocide until after an autopsy. Police are also looking to who called 911 to alert them her body was there.

RIP Nicole. I am so sorry you were murdered out there. My condolences to your family.

I hope they catch this SOB real quick!


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101116_Another_woman_found_strangled_in_Kensingt on.html




The victim who survived was attacked in October in the very same lot that Nicole was murdered in. The victim came forward to help police do a sketch which is so good it could be a photograph.

Please take a look at the sketch. Someone knows this guy.



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Philadelphia_Strangulations_Sketch_111610

Filly
11-16-2010, 06:37 PM
Previous thread about beautiful Elaine.




http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119190&highlight=nursing+student

waltzingmatilda
11-17-2010, 10:19 AM
That is one of the best composite sketches I have ever seen! I hope LE plasters this sketch everywhere. This perp is easily recognizable! They need to find him before he strikes again. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims families as well as the surviving victim. Thanks goodness she came forward to assist with the sketch!

Thanks for the links Filly!

wm

Salem
11-19-2010, 11:53 AM
Here is an older case with many similarities to this one: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44781&page=6

Salem

Creepy!

Salem
11-19-2010, 12:03 PM
I sent this tip to Philly LE! Too many similarities!

Salem

Now to figure out how to get it to New Jersey! Done! Sent it to Dec. Patricia DeMarco in Egg Harbor.

Texas Mist
11-19-2010, 07:20 PM
4th attack may be linked to 'Kensington Strangler'

Updated at 05:23 PM today

KENSINGTON - November 19, 2010 (WPVI) -- Philadelphia Police say they've learned of another attack that may be linked to the so-called 'Kensington Strangler.'

The woman was assaulted in late October in the same area that three other attacks have been carried out - in the Kensington section of the city - resulting in two deaths.

This victim was choked, police said, but survived. They do not believe she was sexually assaulted.

Police say her description of the attacker matches that of the man wanted for questioning in this case. Earlier this week, they released a composite sketch in hopes that someone can identify him.

more here

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7799525


Filly - I hope Philadelphians are being hypervigilant - this is scary!

Snackcakes66
11-19-2010, 08:39 PM
Thanks Texas, you beat me to it. Was google mapping the sites where the ladies were found, a couple of my 'back routes' are smack through this guy's hunting grounds. I'll be looking for that mole anytime I'm anywhere near Episcopal.

crymesolver
11-20-2010, 12:37 PM
It's a shame that in the United States in 2010, we have people that are in such a bad place in their lives, that they feel like they can't report when someone tries to kill them.


I wouldn't be shocked in there were other victims in kensington that no one has found yet, police should check out empty lots, vacant houses, closed factories, areas along the train tracks.

This guy obviously has gone off the deep end, at minimum 4 attacks in a month, it is only a matter of time before he strikes again.

Police need to get out on the streets on foot at night when this guy is prowling.

Texas Mist
11-20-2010, 06:31 PM
It's a shame that in the United States in 2010, we have people that are in such a bad place in their lives, that they feel like they can't report when someone tries to kill them.


I wouldn't be shocked in there were other victims in kensington that no one has found yet, police should check out empty lots, vacant houses, closed factories, areas along the train tracks.

This guy obviously has gone off the deep end, at minimum 4 attacks in a month, it is only a matter of time before he strikes again.

Police need to get out on the streets on foot at night when this guy is prowling.

It's not only people who are in tough situations, it's the average person who may have been blown off by LE.

It's happened to me - I called LE to tell them about a guy who came to my house in the wee hours of the morning that groped me & exposed himself...you know what I was told? Get this -- if I can call back w/ his home address, they'll send someone over to his house to check it out!! I'd just got done telling them where he worked & where his sister lived -- down the street from me!!

Another time, my roommate & I were freaked out because we thought there was another Danny Rolling-type psycho living in the woods behind our house because of some things going on & only someone watching the house could know these things....a deputy came out & guess what he told us...to take the dogs & go find him! (the dogs were poodles.)

Vabrownid1
11-20-2010, 08:00 PM
Texas Mist: "It's not only people who are in tough situations, it's the average person who may have been blown off by LE.

It's happened to me - I called LE to tell them about a guy who came to my house in the wee hours of the morning that groped me & exposed himself...you know what I was told? Get this -- if I can call back w/ his home address, they'll send someone over to his house to check it out!! I'd just got done telling them where he worked & where his sister lived -- down the street from me!!

Another time, my roommate & I were freaked out because we thought there was another Danny Rolling-type psycho living in the woods behind our house because of some things going on & only someone watching the house could know these things....a deputy came out & guess what he told us...to take the dogs & go find him! (the dogs were poodles.) "

BBM

WHAT?? :eek:

Filly
11-20-2010, 10:27 PM
:banghead::banghead:Our Daily News today:

Police have stopped short of describing the two women who survived the recent choking incidents as prostitutes. Both went willingly to the spots where they were attacked.


http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20101120_Second_survivor_tells_of_attack_near_site _of_Kensington_killings.html


Oh well that's good of them. Say it. Don't say it. These are mothers, sisters, daughters. Every drug addict isn't a prostitute and every prostitute isn't a drug addict.

"Family members have said that Nicole Piacentini and Elaine Goldberg had battled longtime drug problems." At this point God forbid somone I know and love who has had or has/had a longtime battle with drugs and something happened to them I soooooooooooo would not mention it to the cops. Now, perhaps these women have records? I don't know. They could check that, BUT if they didn't and there's plenty of people that have been out there that get away without being busted for some time well who knows?

Thank you everyone from out of the area who cares for the women in Philadelphia. I give the two surviving victims props for coming forward. Special props to our Philly Police artists. ;)I can absolutely assure that any victim going through such a horrific ordeal is treated with care, concern and without judgement at Special Victims.

Filly
11-20-2010, 10:48 PM
I'll be looking for that mole anytime I'm anywhere near Episcopal.




:eek:Snacks you need a license to carry you're taking them routes.;)

He looks like he's local to me. Maybe a drug dealer? Maybe a lookout? Although I doubt if he were either he'd bring attention to the business. He knows those lots. He knows those houses. JMO.

*****Reading the Daily News they mention when they were looking for that guy who was murdering women in Kensington last November they came across a guy named Kevin Maxwell out of Northeast Philly. He picked up at least four prostitutes and raped them and PHOTOGRAPHED them at the GREENWOOD CEMETERY??????*****

O.K. I don't miss much when it comes to hearing about any victims that haven't been Blessed enough to have had a perfect life. I never heard about that. Photographed them in the cem? Man, it is a tough, ugly, mean world out there.

Prayers for anyone still out there suffering. Lord keep them safe. Nobody deserves that to happen to them. Nobody.

Filly
11-23-2010, 07:07 PM
No link yet as this was just breaking news.

DNA has been linked in both the murder of Elaine and Nicole. LE can't be certain that the same guy is linked to the two women who survived strangulation.

tlcya
11-23-2010, 07:20 PM
That sketch is really good, not at all like some of those peicemeal ones you see sometimes (insert ethnic nose C below wides spaced eyes R, etc)

This sketch was actually done by an artist with good description by witness IMO. I hope it helps LE find this guy, because he is not gonna stop.

Texas Mist
11-23-2010, 07:28 PM
No link yet as this was just breaking news.

DNA has been linked in both the murder of Elaine and Nicole. LE can't be certain that the same guy is linked to the two women who survived strangulation.

here's the link - just got the tweet on it & was coming here to post for ya

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20101123_DNA_shows_Kensington_stranglings_connecte d.html

Filly
11-23-2010, 10:53 PM
That sketch is really good, not at all like some of those peicemeal ones you see sometimes (insert ethnic nose C below wides spaced eyes R, etc)

This sketch was actually done by an artist with good description by witness IMO. I hope it helps LE find this guy, because he is not gonna stop.

Isn't it good the sketch, tlcox? Just a few years ago we had one sketch artist who worked full time with victims and one was part-time. All the older police sketch artists had been retiring.

I know they had implemented FACES. It's computer technology obviously but they still need that human connection. Again, I can say I know the victims were treated with compassion and concern. I'll have to ask if this was done using FACES even a little bit or soley done by the artist.

Texas Mist, thank you so very, very much. You know I appreciate you. Filly don't Tweet!:D

Let's hope they get this guy, and quick. We have another lunatic running around in a different part of the city attacking women getting out of cabs.:banghead:

Filly
12-05-2010, 12:50 AM
WE have another beautiful young woman strangled. Police are not sure if this murder is related to the other murders. There's enough similarities that they are looking into seeing if there's a connection.

One of the news programs actually showed a photograph and named the victim. I don't have a link for it.

At first police thought it was a drug overdose when they responded to a call in Juniata. This is in walking distance to where Elaine and Nicole were found. They had some guy on the news saying this young lady was going to meetings for about six months and then stopped coming. This made me wonder if it's possible the guy goes to meetings or waits outside meetings.

Please pray for all the still suffering out there and that they catch whoever is harming these young ladies.


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7825388

Missizzy
12-05-2010, 01:23 AM
Be safe, Filly. I'm assuming you've spoken to your daughter about safety this week--once or twice?

Surely, surely....someone will recognize this sketch. My heart goes out to the victims.

Texas Mist, was that Central Texas? That's appalling!! Even bitty ol' Ashland has far more engaged officers than that. And heckola, the bad guys don't know my poodles.

Filly
12-05-2010, 02:00 AM
I'm assuming you've spoken to your daughter about safety this week--once or twice?





:banghead::banghead::banghead:Psssssssssshhhhhhhhh hhhh!!!!! Talking to a brick wall. Although thank our dear Lord DD doesn't have to travel in that space. However, it doesn't mean that guy isn't mobile.

Kensington and Juniata are two seperate neighborhoods, Izzy, but within walking distance to eachother. They're both considered rough. Then again that depends on who you speak with. I'm safe. Heck I don't go anywhere. That's not saying that can't happen to someone I know and care for. In all honesty no matter how careful you are you're pretty much a sitting duck out there IMO.

No, I did talk to DD she knows my heart breaks for people out there trying to get right. Then again you can be right as rain and still be in harms way.Meanwhile after I preached safety she went into Lord only knows what about work or something. Pays me no mind.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Snackcakes66
12-05-2010, 12:02 PM
It would be a long walk between Elaine/Nicole and this new one. However I did notice all are short distance from El stops, the last one is 2-3 blocks from Erie-Torresdale station, the others close to Huntingdon and/or York-Dauphin stations. The ride would be between 5-10 minutes.

Filly
12-05-2010, 04:52 PM
It would be a long walk between Elaine/Nicole and this new one. However I did notice all are short distance from El stops, the last one is 2-3 blocks from Erie-Torresdale station, the others close to Huntingdon and/or York-Dauphin stations. The ride would be between 5-10 minutes.

Ya know Snacks it also comes in to play are all these in the same district? I know between Church stop and Erie-Torresdale it goes from the 25th to the 15th. That's why you'll see alot of action on that bridge over the crick. I'm thinking now we have the 24th and 25th involved.

The guy who is staying in the apartment came home and found this poor girl. Like who could get into his apartment without him knowing? Probably anybody.

They are far walks however it's doable. When you need that extra $ you don't want to spend it on carfare. Extremely scary walk I may add.

Maybe each girl got off the El and he approached them immediately?

Filly
12-05-2010, 05:20 PM
Allison Edwards. The victim of a murderer is Allison Edwards aged 22.

Allison is from Levittown according to some reports. Was she living in the city? Did she have a car?

22 years old. RIP pretty girl. I'm so sorry your life had to end like that.


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7825762

Missizzy
12-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Filly, I know you say DD pays you no mind. Don't be so certain of that. She comes from good, savvy, and smart stock.

This is probably way off base but has anyone considered the other two sets of murders in the last week--the young women in Augusta, GA:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120766&highlight=nancy+cushman

And the two in Florida:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121078&highlight=jamie+broxson


All the victims share some similarities--namely pretty young girls. I think the MO is different but just wanted to put it out there. I don't know my east coast geography and corridors as well as I should. Any possibility that all these young women were on the trafficking circuit? On the west coast, the traffickers seem to have a circuit which often makes sense--but not always. They surely hit the casinos but some of the "hot spots" are a bit surprising. Just a thought.

As a former prostitute, now upstanding citizen, told me once, "Who's going to care about a dead hooker?" Of course we do and family does. But women in this line of work (for whatever reason) suffer from an inordinate and appalling degree of crime.

Missizzy
12-05-2010, 06:11 PM
Most on board know that I have a daughter who is trafficked. She's now 22 and most likely getting near the end of her "career". We've been totally unable to find her, even with the help of the Polaris Project and the FBI.

Imagine my shock, when I returned from my hiatus (and finally had internet access again) to learn that the young woman who lured her away from us was just arrested for attempted murder. Donn Lurrinda Hayden of Redding, CA was arrested for stabbing another young woman in the chest multiple times. Thank God the woman lived. But this highlights the dangers out there for the trafficked. If your customer or your pimp don't attack you, one of your competitors might!! I doubt that's the case here but it does happen.

http://www.redding.com/news/2010/nov/14/woman-stabbed-dispute/?partner=RSS

The mug shot doesn't look much like the woman I saw from a distance three years ago. She's very distinctive as she's 6'3" and 125 lbs. Looks like she got a little banged up when held down by the witness.

Filly
12-05-2010, 06:54 PM
Most on board know that I have a daughter who is trafficked. She's now 22 and most likely getting near the end of her "career". We've been totally unable to find her, even with the help of the Polaris Project and the FBI.

Imagine my shock, when I returned from my hiatus (and finally had internet access again) to learn that the young woman who lured her away from us was just arrested for attempted murder. Donn Lurrinda Hayden of Redding, CA was arrested for stabbing another young woman in the chest multiple times. Thank God the woman lived. But this highlights the dangers out there for the trafficked. If your customer or your pimp don't attack you, one of your competitors might!! I doubt that's the case here but it does happen.

http://www.redding.com/news/2010/nov/14/woman-stabbed-dispute/?partner=RSS

The mug shot doesn't look much like the woman I saw from a distance three years ago. She's very distinctive as she's 6'3" and 125 lbs. Looks like she got a little banged up when held down by the witness.

Oh my gosh Izzy. That's almost unreal. I can not even begin to imagine how you felt when you saw that.

You know I keep your DD in my prayers every single night with all the other girls and guys still out there suffering.

What struck me in that article is a little 14 year old girl lived across the way and witnessed that fight. By the grace of God she could have preyed on that child next. I am so sorry you are missing your daughter.

As for the women in Philadelphia murdered recently they were not trafficked. Each young lady so far except for the last victim has family here. They were in high crime areas. I tread carefully saying that friends and family say they were either in active addiction or in recovery. As soon as people hear "drugs" well suddenly nobody cares or figure it's bound to happen. That shouldn't figure in. These are mom's, daughters, sisters, aunts.

Missizzy
12-05-2010, 08:40 PM
Thanks Filly. I did just about spit my coffee out when I came upon that. I called the local LE but they didn't think that my daughter had been present. The reason I posted the info is that trafficking is a nasty, dangerous world. Just like drugs and gun-running. A person is bound to get hurt or to hurt someone else. And many don't know that some of the nastiest pimps are female. The young ladies in your city may not have been trafficked but I suspect that the others I mentioned were.

Let's hope something breaks lose (as in tips) for the poor victims and their families up your way. It is true that the general public turns away when they hear the word drugs or prostitute. Wake up, people. This could be your loved one!! None of us are perfect. I am living proof that there is often a loving family member waiting and worrying.

Stay safe.

Texas Mist
12-06-2010, 08:00 AM
<snip>

Philadelphia police have formed a task force to investigate the murders.

And police are working on a sexual assault that happened overnight in Kensington. Detectives say a woman was assaulted around 2:15 a.m. at Kensington Avenue and Sergeant Street. They aren't releasing any more information.

more here

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/North_Philadelphia_Sex_Attacks_120610

Filly
12-06-2010, 04:57 PM
Allison Edwards mother said her daughter told her she knew one of the victims but her mom isn't sure which girl. This leads investigators to wonder did the young women know the attacker?

Here's a link with a picture of a beautiful yet troubled young woman. There's also a map which numbers where each attack has occured. They are numbered up to 7.

A connection I am seeing is that both Elaine and Allison had been sober recently. Allison celebrated her sobriety on November 16th. She celebrated by adopting a puppy. She had gotten a job at Pet Smart in Levittown. Also, Allison was not local. Her addiction came from Michigan to Australia to this God forsaken place. According to her mom and her FB on the 26th she wrote something like "I'll have to start over". She had a drink at a friends house and her addiction came back full force.

Saddest to me is she walked away from her mom's home in Levittown without money, a coat, nothing. She said she had to get the addiction out of her system. Some people see that as kicking all over again. I see it as you already used you might as well go back into it.

***Unless Allison left to kick at a male friends home? I can't see why she would wind up in Juniata? What's the connection? Was the apartment she was in related to any of this?***

It's not bad enough you suffer through heroin addiction. Give your family a nervous breakdown. This girl at one time had OD'd. She was on a venilator and survived. Now she's murdered? People don't understand that relapse is part of recovery. She still could have made it.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/111367649.html?cmpid=15585797

Filly
12-06-2010, 07:28 PM
They have a POI in the murder of Ms. Edwards. It doesn't look like their man that is linked to Nicole and Elaine's murder.

More information on our Texas Mist's post about the poor woman last night. Hit with a brick, strangled and stabbed and she made it. Bless her. She's alive.


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/video/juniata-park-murder-investigation--

Filly
12-07-2010, 12:49 AM
Sorry if I am bombarding this thread.

Here is an article by a guy that is a recovering addict. He's a good writer. He knows the streets. He basically says what I am trying to convey about this crime. It's fairly raw but honest all the same.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-18/the-kensington-avenue-strangler-philadelphias-prostitute-hell/

Missizzy
12-07-2010, 02:05 AM
Thank you, Filly. I wouldn't have seen that. It paints the picture and the picture is bleak. It breaks my heart as each of these women was a child, a teen, a person with dreams and hopes. I cannot believe that a single one of them planned to grow up and be an addict and to have to turn tricks on a filthy mattress where they might be found dead the next morning. There is no such thing as a disposable human being. God didn't intend that, IMO.

I realize that prostitution and drug use will be with us forever but cities have to step up and do more about safety. These johns are getting away with rape and murder and that's not OK, in my book. If they'll rape or kill once, they'll do it again and again. They'll keep looking for bigger thrills. That makes my blood run cold.

I have to say reading about streetwalkers in the inner city almost makes me think that the girls and women who are trafficked by a pimp from motel to convention center to casino are a tad safer. I guess it's all the same, in the long run, though. With each trick, they lose a little bit of their soul. I can't help but think that with each trick, the john loses a bit of his too.

Bless those women tonight. Please God keep them safe.

Missizzy
12-07-2010, 02:11 AM
Did Allison and Elaine go to the same detox? Could this young man be someone who works there or nearby? He doesn't strike me a street person. He seems too well groomed.

Filly do you know anything about the typcial john? This sounds so base but is this about as cheap as a trick can get in the area? Do college boys come around for the thrill of "slumming it" or are the customers addicts too? I know that happens in LA.

I'm out of my league but trying very hard to understand.

Missizzy
12-07-2010, 02:20 AM
I'm curious about Allison's job at PetSmart. It's possible that she had a connection. But could she have gotten the job through some sort of program? Jobs are tremendously scarce right now and it's hard for me to believe that she would have been the one chosen for the position unless she had some help. Any idea if and where Elaine might have worked. I really think that the detox center might be a connection. Maybe it's not a john. Maybe it's a case manager or peripheral person who works with the addicts.

Filly
12-07-2010, 04:02 AM
Did Allison and Elaine go to the same detox? Could this young man be someone who works there or nearby? He doesn't strike me a street person. He seems too well groomed.

Filly do you know anything about the typcial john? This sounds so base but is this about as cheap as a trick can get in the area? Do college boys come around for the thrill of "slumming it" or are the customers addicts too? I know that happens in LA.

I'm out of my league but trying very hard to understand.


Izzy the last woman attacked gave police a description of her attacker and it's IMO dead on to the same guy they already have the sketch of. Only this time he has sideburns. What do they call it? Taped?

This link gives alot of detailed information.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Police-Release-Sketch-of-Assault-Suspect-111397274.html

My mom said the same thing about Allison's job. They do have a POI in her murder. I don't believe it was the same guy. This guy is attacking women out in the open. Oh and the scariest thing is in the last attack he listened to his iPod while attacking the woman. That's cold as cold can get.

Allison left her house in Levittown. That is a suburb of Philly. They have their own heroin trade up there so I am guessing she went back to where she knew she could cop. However, she left without any money. No car. IMO she had to have someone give her a ride back into Philly.

Personally I don't think the guy works out of detox or anything. It's possible he's been in one. He knows the area real well. There is a detox without rehab nearby some of the murders. Ummmm, not a real structured place that's for sure.

He's young. He's on foot. He's walking out in that neighborhood at all hours so he's street smart. It's possible at some point he ran into Elaine or Nicole. Pretty much traveling back and forth down there you would get to know faces. Why doesn't someone know him?

Filly
12-07-2010, 04:17 AM
Did Allison and Elaine go to the same detox? Could this young man be someone who works there or nearby? He doesn't strike me a street person. He seems too well groomed.

Filly do you know anything about the typcial john? This sounds so base but is this about as cheap as a trick can get in the area? Do college boys come around for the thrill of "slumming it" or are the customers addicts too? I know that happens in LA.

I'm out of my league but trying very hard to understand.

Sorry I was all over the place and didn't answer your question, Izzy.

Yes, he is well groomed. I doubt that hoodie he had on is cheap either. My initial thought was he's a lookout or a dealer. The only thing there is that's a business. They wouldn't want that to happen on their particular corners. The last thing they want is more police prescence.

College boys would only tread into that area if they are addicts. It's so sad you send your kid off to Ivy League school or something and they are lined up waiting for a get well bag in an alley before classes.

The johns are from all over the place. Day and night. In cars though almost always. This guy is on foot. They do walking dates though, but at night I would say no. I may be wrong. I hope I am.

Sad, sad. $20.00 down to $10.00. The older women complain the younger girls go too low and then what? I'm seeing this as a heroin thing as opposed to a crack thing. A bag of heroin is $10.00. A cap of crack is $5.00. You can see where the discrepency in price would be for a trick there. At least I think it is. Thank the good Lord I'm not 100% sure today.

Most of the girls know eachother as well as the guys out there. Between copping, needle exchange, transporting back and forth often a few times a day you would know faces. It can be different now as the open air drug trade isn't as prevelant as it used to be. Still at some point you can't cop from your dealer you're going "Down the way".

I don't in my heart believe that Elaine was doing that. Maybe none of the women were. Maybe they all were. It sounds like he's just grabbing women. Women who happen to be a slave to a rotten addiction.

Please send positive vibes and prayers that they're safe out there tonight. Prayers for the suffering. Prayers for their poor families.

Texas Mist
12-07-2010, 07:40 AM
PHILADELPHIA - Police are investigating another sexual assault in Philadelphia's Kensington neighborhood.

Investigators say a 41-year old woman tells them she was raped in a car at Kensington and Allegheny avenues overnight.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Kensington_Sex_Assault_120710

What a dangerous neighborhood - especially if there are multiple rapists for LE to track down.

Linda7NJ
12-07-2010, 10:34 AM
PHILADELPHIA - Police are investigating another sexual assault in Philadelphia's Kensington neighborhood.

Investigators say a 41-year old woman tells them she was raped in a car at Kensington and Allegheny avenues overnight.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Kensington_Sex_Assault_120710

What a dangerous neighborhood - especially if there are multiple rapists for LE to track down.


I am thankful the media is onto what's happening. K&A is notorious for prostitution, and we all know when the victims are hookers or people think they were, people don't seem to care as much.

Filly
12-07-2010, 11:08 PM
What a dangerous neighborhood - especially if there are multiple rapists for LE to track down.

It happens way too much already Texas Mist like Linda said. People liken it to Night Of The Living Dead.

Elmer Smith wrote an article about the type of murderer this guy is. They're bringing or already have brought in a profiler.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101207_Elmer_Smith__Stay_on_alert_for_this_remor seless__maniacal_killer.html

Again I don't think all these girls were prostitutes. Fighting addiction, yes. The victim who got hit with the brick made it sound like he was nonchalant. He gave his name as Tony. Had the iPod. It is not unusual if you were down there to get drugs to walk along with someone you don't know. Just walk along. Then again that was 2:00AM in that case sooooo:eek:

If anything this is getting attention out. I've cautioned young girls that I know this doesn't mean this guy is just going to stay down there. He could be walking down the block as I speak in our neighborhood. He could go over to Camden. He could be shopping in a mall.

Filly
12-08-2010, 08:45 AM
The FBI is coming into help Philadelphia police catch the murderer here.





http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20101208_FBI_unit_to_join_hunt_for_Kensington_stra ngler.html

Meanwhile the woman raped inside the vehicle at K&A the other evening described her attacker as a Latino man with a goatee between 30-40 years old. If it is the same man and the age is getting stretched he's using a vehicle now.

Filly
12-08-2010, 08:03 PM
A woman found dead in an abandoned house is probably not related to the recent murders and sexual assaults in the cities Kensington section. Although and I say although because dang if this article doesn't say the woman was found with marks on her neck.

Police Commish Ramsey held a press conference and urged any victims to come forward immediately as they need evidence. The FBI is getting into the murders mind as we speak and the police tell us the man make take the EL. He may live in the neighborhood.

O.K. so this poor woman is found dead on Rutledge Street. Hop, skip and a jump from Somerset El stop. Marks on her neck? Track marks? Strangulation? How many people have they found dead in abandoned houses over time that may have been assaulted? Murdered?

How many copycat nut jobs are out there figuring this is open season to strangle women in this area? How many women have been assaulted that are never coming forward because they have a warrant out on them or they are afraid to be arrested and have to kick at the Roundhouse?

Rutledge Street is in the heart of this ugly mix. If this poor woman was murdered by the same perp then he's going from K&A to Somerset hitting virtually each El stop in between. Filly makes note her mother said this days ago. What's next Tioga? Girard?

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/video/police-%26-fbi-working-with-profiler

KaylynnCouture
12-08-2010, 08:11 PM
Has there been a description of the suspected strangler released yet?

Texas Mist
12-08-2010, 11:37 PM
here's an article from tonite - good read & has sketch & description of "attacker"

Erica Rosado-Moore, another recovering addict, said the drawing of the suspect, taped on many of the El's support columns, reminded her of a man who once attacked her.

"Every time I look at that picture I just stare at it," she said. "It's hard. Philly is no joke."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20101208_HED_TOO_LONG__On_high_alert_for_a_strangl er.html?viewAll=y

Missizzy
12-09-2010, 12:48 AM
The rape in the car is unsettling as one of the prostitutes earlier said that she felt far safer in a car as she could always jump out. I guess not always. The whole Ipod thing makes me think of the Texas Serial Rapist. He too, listened to music and clocks ticking while he raped some of his elderly victims. That is beyond heartless. This guy thinks he is bigger than life. Dare I say it? LE?

Just wondering if prostitutes (especially addicts) are known to be good at remembering faces. I would think that a person would disassociate after a while. I know I would. All the guys would look the same. Just a mechanism of human survival.

Filly
12-09-2010, 07:49 AM
Dare I say it? LE?

Just wondering if prostitutes (especially addicts) are known to be good at remembering faces. I would think that a person would disassociate after a while. I know I would. All the guys would look the same. Just a mechanism of human survival.

Naw, Izzy this guy is no way LE. I really higly doubt that. First his appearance. Cops are not allowed to have those taped sideburns or a goatee. Even if on a detail or plain clothes or undercover you can spot a cop a mile away if you're out there long enough. Even in reverse stings any addict that's arrested will tell you they "knew" something was up. Something wasn't right. Unfortunately people are so quick to get their drugs that they need they'll chance it.

Me? I'd take their gospel word these women on what this guy looked like. You may disassociate the act, but meanwhile you're looking at what he has on. What kind of sneakers he's wearing. Does he have jewelry? An iPod? These women are working for something immensely important to them. In these case heroin seems to be the DOC. They also know the neighborhood. They could tell you what lot has a missing link fence to which house got rehabbed, and got a new kitchen which was stolen that night.

No matter how bad the quality of life every addict has a glimmer of hope. You fight for your life no matter how bad it is. You may be fighting so you can use yet another day or look way beyond that in an effort to getting clean up the road.

Absolutely I'd trust their description.


http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20101209_Police_seeking_connections_in_Kensington_ assaults__killings.html


Short interview with "Jessica that's my real name I promise".



Also a profile of the murderer. Commonalities that all the women have been white. They are either prostitutes or have risky behavior. Easy to approach and of course the world's most vulnerable women.


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7833109

DNA does not match any in a database. That's no surprise there.

Filly
12-09-2010, 09:46 PM
Police received a called from an extremely upset receptionist at the Community Legal Serives. The woman said a man walked into the office and told her he was wanted by police and needed a lawyer. He told her he was homeless and lived in an abandoned building.

The woman tried to give a signal to another worker to call the cops and the guy ran out.

Sooooooo the police had the Community Legal Services surrounded in crime tape and taking fingerprints of everything the guy may have touched. The receptionist said the guy strongly resembled the sketch of the man wanted in the strangulation cases.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7833423

O.K. so if this is the guy all he had to do or at least if he comes from where the attacks occured would be take the Route 60 bus. Bam he's there. Now the people in the vicinity of Temple hospital can be freaked out.:doh:

Filly
12-10-2010, 12:29 AM
LE has released surveillance video of the person they believe may be the suspect.

O.K. this guy walks a little weird.



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/surveillance-vid-of-suspect-released

Missizzy
12-10-2010, 12:40 AM
You're right, Filly. His gait is odd. I have a daughter with cerebral palsy and we've been through lots of gait studies so I have a tendency to break it down. Not sure what I'm seeing, though. Whatever it is doesn't seem consistent. It says that he stated his name is Anthony? To whom? The receptionist? Didn't one of the victims say the guy's name was Tony?

I appreciate the answer about the veracity of the women's description. I will trust them.

Searchfortruth
12-10-2010, 08:14 AM
I am not sure, but after watching the video, his gait seems to be associated more with his left leg or foot. Maybe an old or recent injury, just a guess on my part.

fran
12-10-2010, 11:55 AM
LE has released surveillance video of the person they believe may be the suspect.

O.K. this guy walks a little weird.



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/surveillance-vid-of-suspect-released

FWIW and JMHO: I pick up my grandson from high school each day. I watch hundreds of teenagers walk by.

To ME, it appears, first this guy MAY have a cell phone in his hand and MAY BE texting. As he turned and was walking on the sidewalk, away from the camera, it appears he looks down towards his hands being held in front of him, ie his cell phone.

The second thing, IMHO, he walks like the young people do that have their pants hanging low, ie, often times the top of their boxers show. I've always attributed that sort of almost a slight swagger, because if they're not careful, their pants will end up around their knees.

I could be wrong, but this is JMHO,
fran

waltzingmatilda
12-10-2010, 12:11 PM
FWIW and JMHO: I pick up my grandson from high school each day. I watch hundreds of teenagers walk by.

To ME, it appears, first this guy MAY have a cell phone in his hand and MAY BE texting. As he turned and was walking on the sidewalk, away from the camera, it appears he looks down towards his hands being held in front of him, ie his cell phone.

The second thing, IMHO, he walks like the young people do that have their pants hanging low, ie, often times the top of their boxers show. I've always attributed that sort of almost a slight swagger, because if they're not careful, their pants will end up around their knees.

I could be wrong, but this is JMHO,
fran

That's exactly what I thought too, fran. I base my opinion from my years of teaching inner city students. His gait reminds me of the 'gangsta' walk. Which is emulated by wanna be gangsta's who wear their pants low based on prisoners having their belts taken away during arrest to make it difficult for them to run away. This is what a former student told me when I asked him why he continued wearing his pants so low. He knew that each day I would take out my roll of twine and snip some off just enough for him to tie the front 2 belt loops together to hold up his pants. We had a dress code prohibiting wearing pants low due to PE.

He had the same gait as this perp.

MOO

wm

reen
12-10-2010, 03:40 PM
We see you Tony!

In the freeze-frames around the 1:10 mark of that video, you can see the glow of his cell phone screen...I agree he's probably texting. And the gait to me is very much a swagger.

Also, if alone, in general a street-wise guy in the city would be walking alertly and with purpose. This guy is just aimlessly wandering (waiting for a victim?), IMHO.

Salem
12-10-2010, 04:06 PM
LE has released surveillance video of the person they believe may be the suspect.

O.K. this guy walks a little weird.



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/surveillance-vid-of-suspect-released

He looks right at the camera! My screen is so blurry, I can't see his face well - can others?

Salem

ETA: sent to my DH's comp. He has better resolution!

Filly
12-10-2010, 08:46 PM
FWIW and JMHO: I pick up my grandson from high school each day. I watch hundreds of teenagers walk by.

To ME, it appears, first this guy MAY have a cell phone in his hand and MAY BE texting. As he turned and was walking on the sidewalk, away from the camera, it appears he looks down towards his hands being held in front of him, ie his cell phone.

The second thing, IMHO, he walks like the young people do that have their pants hanging low, ie, often times the top of their boxers show. I've always attributed that sort of almost a slight swagger, because if they're not careful, their pants will end up around their knees.

I could be wrong, but this is JMHO,
fran

Fran, I think you are absolutely right. I had to wait and see it on TV again. My mom actually siad "That's a kid and he walks like all those other kids with their pants on the ground".

The thing in his hand may be an iPod. One of the victims said he had an iPod and kept it in his ears.

Good lookout Fran. Your grandson is fortunate to have such a good Gram!

Filly
12-10-2010, 08:50 PM
He looks right at the camera! My screen is so blurry, I can't see his face well - can others?

Salem

ETA: sent to my DH's comp. He has better resolution!

Amen for DH!;)

I've only seen it on TV and I can about see the guys face, Salem.

Meanwhile not one lead. They had people on the news complaining about that. I'll see if I can find it.

No doubt if there was a reward someone, anyone, someplace would ID him I bet. They even kind of slacked off on our news as we had a police officer shot here last night. He left the hospital in good shape. Thank goodness.


O.K. that video was from a store. According to this article it actually showed him pulling the victim into an alley. Weather this is prior to the act or after he seems pretty collected.

Also a small vigil was held today where Nicole was murdered.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7837337

LE has gotten video footage from two more places including a Charter School and hope they get something from that.

fran
12-11-2010, 03:06 PM
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/philadelphia/20101210_Kensington_prostitutes_more_likely_to_ste p_up_to_help_find_strangler.html

Kensington prostitutes more likely to step up to help find strangler

The increased police scrutiny on Kensington in the wake of a series of killings and sexual assaults has had at least one positive side effect: Prostitutes in the neighborhood are coming forward to report crimes committed against them.

"Now that everyone is looking at this area, I think we're getting a lot of things reported to us that probably wouldn't have been," Philadelphia Capt. James Clark said this week.

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Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/philadelphia/20101210_Kensington_prostitutes_more_likely_to_ste p_up_to_help_find_strangler.html#ixzz17pcKZezq

Filly
12-11-2010, 05:03 PM
A vigil was held in Kesington which drew about 100 people. Those who attended wanted to show support for the families of two murder victims, Michele Piacentini and Elaine Goldberg.

The vigil was last minute. That's a significant number of people for something planned last minute. I wish I had known about it.

The Citizens Crime Commision Of Delaware Valley is offering a $3,000 reward.




More at link:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20101211_Vigil_held_for_Kensington_strangling_vict im_as_attacker_is_at_large.html

Missizzy
12-11-2010, 08:25 PM
A little late to the table but I'm not 100% certain that this is a swagger. I have 9 sons and I must have said, "Pull your pants up!!", 10,000 times. If "Tony" was going to swagger like that, I think it would be a bit more pronounced. Maybe he lightens it up when he's alone. JMO

The issue of him being soft spoken really bothers me. In fact, it makes my blood run cold. Here you are assaulting, raping and/or killing a woman and you are soft spoken?? The Texas Serial Rapist was described the very same way. What does that say about his profile? Yes, here it is:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20101208_HED_TOO_LONG__On_high_alert_for_a_strangl er.html#ixzz17qtO0UnR


"....Police have developed a composite sketch of a suspect - a slender black or Hispanic man in his 20s who stands between 5-foot-7 and 5-10. Two women said he had a goatee and a mark on his cheek, but a woman who was attacked weeks later told police that there was no goatee or mark, and she mentioned that he had sideburns. Two women described him as soft-spoken; one said he had carried a white iPod and called himself Anthony...."

more at link

So, these are women who survived attacks and still say he was soft-spoken. I wonder if the soft voice was used only when he lured them or throughout the ordeal? Actually, if he was listening to an Ipod throughout the assault, you'd think that he'd speak a little louder. That is chilling.

Filly
12-14-2010, 07:57 PM
What if there is no Kensington single strangler?

Article/Blog from our City Paper.




http://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/2010/12/13/what-if-there-is-no-single-kensington-strangler/

Blue_Dolphin308
12-15-2010, 09:16 PM
Woman’s Body Found In Kensington Lot


Philadelphia police are investigating the suspicious death of a woman whose body was found a short distance from where the “Kensington strangler” has been striking.
The body of a female believed to be in her 20s was found Wednesday afternoon in an overgrown lot in the 100 block of Tusculum Street.
Investigators said someone call police at about 5 p.m. after spotting the woman’s body in the lot.
Sources said the woman was undressed from the waist down and she apparently had a bag over her face. Early appearances indicate that the woman may have been strangled, but that was not immediately confirmed.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/15/woman%e2%80%99s-body-found-in-kensington-lot/

Filly
12-16-2010, 12:39 AM
Woman’s Body Found In Kensington Lot


Philadelphia police are investigating the suspicious death of a woman whose body was found a short distance from where the “Kensington strangler” has been striking.
The body of a female believed to be in her 20s was found Wednesday afternoon in an overgrown lot in the 100 block of Tusculum Street.
Investigators said someone call police at about 5 p.m. after spotting the woman’s body in the lot.
Sources said the woman was undressed from the waist down and she apparently had a bag over her face. Early appearances indicate that the woman may have been strangled, but that was not immediately confirmed.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/15/woman%e2%80%99s-body-found-in-kensington-lot/

Oh how immensely sad. I saw this on the news.

This is sort of an overpass. There's embakments that lead down to old train tracks. For real there's nobody that would go back in there unless you're out there. It's bad. Very bad.

The fact that someone called 911 is nothing short of amazing. It had to be another woman that went back there to use.

My heart breaks for any family that has to try and close their eyes at night knowing their sister, mom, aunt, daughter is out there. It's so freezing cold out. That doesn't stop the drug trade. Prayers for all the suffering out there, and special prayers they find the guy or men who are murdering these women.

If it is the same guy once again it's daytime. 5:00 it's dark out already but still there's it's day time.

Linda7NJ
12-16-2010, 10:24 AM
I just heard she was found nude from the waist down with a plastic bag over her head.

so sad.........

Filly
12-16-2010, 07:49 PM
I just heard she was found nude from the waist down with a plastic bag over her head.

so sad.........

Body posed. Waiting to release this poor woman's identity until they can reach her relatives.

This has me physically sick.

Missizzy
12-16-2010, 10:27 PM
Wait!! Filly, what? Posed as in staged? I didn't see that.

Filly
12-16-2010, 11:22 PM
Wait!! Filly, what? Posed as in staged? I didn't see that.



sigh

Yup!

They said it on the news. Let me see if I can find it, Izzy. I think it was chanell 29 here. My heart sank.


This may be it, Izzy. My computer is running slow so ya have to check it. I think I had 29 on when the reporter said it.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/woman-found-in-kensington-was-strangled

tlcya
12-16-2010, 11:26 PM
We are watching him escalate, progress down such an evil progression. If this newest is his. This is sickening indeed.

This man must be caught.

bessie
12-17-2010, 12:55 AM
Even with the threat of a serial killer looming, the prostitutes are still working the streets with no drop in numbers. The young woman interviewed by the Fox reporter was pitiful. Her voice trembled with desperation and hopelessness. Like so many others, she's toeing the line of the no exit highway with this serial killer now bearing down like a speeding 18-wheeler.

I've witnessed this situation often over the years in New Orleans and have become acquainted with some of the women. You can't talk sense to them. They're scared and desperate but won't let go even if you offer them a way out. They all have trust issues to start with, topped off by drug addictions and undying loyalty to the SOB pimps who hand them out. God help them. But it seems this guy isn't targeting just prostitutes, and women who don't deliberately place themselves in harm's way are equally vulnerable. How awful for the residents living under this fear.

Linda7NJ
12-17-2010, 10:14 AM
Body posed. Waiting to release this poor woman's identity until they can reach her relatives.

This has me physically sick.


Me too Filly, me too

fran
12-17-2010, 10:17 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101217_Police__Man_who_killed_2_other_women_may_ be_linked_to_death_in_Kensington_this_week.html

Police: Man who killed 2 other women may be linked to death in Kensington this week

A woman found dead in Kensington this week may have been killed by the man responsible for the stranglings of two women in the neighborhood last month, police said Thursday.

The woman, whose name has not been released pending notification of her family, was 27 - close to the ages of two previous victims. Like those women, she was white. The circumstances of her death are also similar: she was strangled, found nude from the waist down, and showed signs of sexual assault

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fran
12-17-2010, 10:34 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101217_Cops__We_need_help_getting_strangler_off_ the_streets.html

Cops: We need help getting strangler off the streets

The word came down from police brass last night, confirming what everyone in Kensington seemed to know in the pits of their stomachs from the start.
The 27-year-old woman found dead in a lot at Front and Tusculum streets Wednesday had indeed been strangled and sexually assaulted, just like the other two women whose deaths have been laid at the feet of the Kensington Strangler.

The latest victim, an East Stroudsburg resident whose name was not released, was positioned face-down, like at least one of the other murder victims, said Deputy Commissioner William Blackburn.

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fran
12-17-2010, 02:41 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101217_HED_TOO_LONG__Third_Kensington_strangle_v ictim_identified.html?cmpid=41144277

Third Kensington strangle victim identified

Police have identified the 27-year-old woman found strangled to death in Kensington this week as Casey Mahoney of East Stoudsburg in Monroe County.

<<<<<<<<<<<full article and photo at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

reen
12-17-2010, 03:53 PM
This is so heartbreaking and scary! I'm reading that they've deployed a lot more patrol officers there, along with undercover cops...how is this guy getting away with such blatant attacks in such a small area? Maybe their undercover officers' "cover" needs to be improved, as well as their "coverage."

Speaking of area, has anyone more Google-map-savvy than me mapped out all of the attacks?

Texas Mist
12-17-2010, 05:51 PM
KENSINGTON - December 17, 2010 (WPVI) -- Philadelphia police released new surveillance video on Friday of a man who may be the so-called "Kensington Strangler."

The black and white video shows a man in a winter coat walking down a sidewalk. The video was shot on December 6th in the 1800 block of Sergeant Street after a woman survived a sexual assault.

more here

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

gives me to creeps just thinking about a serial killer in this video ::shudder::

crymesolver
12-17-2010, 06:24 PM
He looks like he could be muslim looking at the video, looks like he may have the full beard, maybe something on his head, wrap, hat something.

I guess the police have been flooding streets of Kensington making low level arrests, prositution, drugs and getting DNA from everyone.

I don't know if they have put out flyers in the neighborhood, but I think that would be better than having stuff online.


Its a shame that this case hasn't gotten more national attention but I guess this is par for the course.

enzeder
12-17-2010, 08:50 PM
Not sure, but I think that he may be wearing sun-glasses? Could the beard be part of a disguise?

http://i53.tinypic.com/99qkqr.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/ejcw9.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

enzeder
12-17-2010, 11:07 PM
He appears to be wearing a hood in the first part of film but further along he looks as though he might be wearing a blonde wig?.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1qsk5g.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/2m2xslt.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

Filly
12-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Wait!! Filly, what? Posed as in staged? I didn't see that.

Here ya go, Izzy. Bodies posed. Face down. I think we already have the link but I reupped for ya.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/strangled-philadelphia-woman-rd-serial-strangler-victim/

Poor Casey Mahoney. I so wish she would have stayed up in East Stroudsburg. Like Bessie relayed though the pull is too strong. The news said that Ms. Mahoney had been in court on Monday for a DUI and soon left for Philly when she was through.

For the record though I can tell you almost 100% these women/young ladies do not have a pimp. Not that would be better, but at least they'd have some sort of protection if that makes sense.

O.K. originally I thought he walked odd. We then concluded it was the usual pants on the ground walk. I only saw the video on TV, but now I think it's a "jailhouse walk". I don't know what it's called. The news said he has an odd gait and a limp that favors his left foot.

Personally i know men that have been in prison. That walk they do I used to call "the hook". It's deliberate. They limp on purpose. I think this just may be what he's doing.

Beard does look as if he could be Muslim. However, if the original sketch is correct he had a lil scruffy. Little goatee.

The scarriest part is that he's out there. Somebody knows him. Again this is just me, but the neighborhood where this is happening has a huge Latino population. At first I thought perhaps he's Dominican. I'm not sure now. There are African American neighbors here as well, but the corners are Latino almost always. Just thinking they had to see them. People don't miss a thing out on the corners.

Again this is just MO, but I'd think the dealers are a tad miffed. Getting busted right now if you're out there working would actually be a Blessing. You might get sick, but you'll be alive.

RIP Casey Mahoney. I am so sorry you had to meet the end like this.

Filly
12-17-2010, 11:13 PM
He appears to be wearing a hood in the first part of film but further along he looks as though he might be wearing a blonde wig?.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1qsk5g.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/2m2xslt.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309




:eek:That's his hood pulled tight, enzeder. I know what you mean though.;)


I've personally seen some crazy stuff in that neighborhood. Heck no I never saw an African American man in a blonde wig. Men in wigs maybe.;)

Naw I never did. In fact I think he'd get his tail kicked for that.

Filly
12-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Casey's Myspace




http://www.myspace.com/96374548


May she rest in peace. Prayers for her and her family.

enzeder
12-17-2010, 11:21 PM
:eek:That's his hood pulled tight, enzeder. I know what you mean though.;)


I've personally seen some crazy stuff in that neighborhood. Heck no I never saw an African American man in a blonde wig. Men in wigs maybe.;)

Naw I never did. In fact I think he'd get his tail kicked for that.

Lol - ok. :)

Filly
12-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Lol - ok. :)


LOL Yeah wigs around here are reserved for Locust Street.:crazy: Well Spruce and Pine too.

No problemo. Watch you be right, but half the city would be talking about that.;)

enzeder
12-18-2010, 12:30 AM
Now I think that the hood belongs to whatever he's wearing underneath his jacket?.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lic789.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/157vx1.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

Filly
12-18-2010, 12:53 AM
Now I think that the hood belongs to whatever he's wearing underneath his jacket?.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lic789.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/157vx1.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309


Yeah I believe it is Enzeder. There's a sweathshirt under the jacket. Alot of people do that. I know I always do. In fact a little earlier I went to the store. I saw two guys seperately with black coats and gray sweatshirts underneath. I'm surprised he doesn't have a baseball cap on too. You put the hoodie up over the baseball cap.


Listen to me like I am giving fashion advice.:doh:

Meanwhile I read an article that Casey's MIL said she only came to Philly in the first place to go to rehab. That was back in September. Then they lost track of her for two weeks. She had been turned down for rehab for lack of insuarance.

If it was just detox and not rehab? She probably went to a place very close to where she was murdered. Not a nice place. Your next step is jail.

This is all too sad. I'm wondering now because Elaine was clean for awhile they reported. Sounds like Casey was trying as well. Then again who ain't? I kind of asked in the first place weather Elaine may have known him from meetings?

tlcya
12-18-2010, 01:04 AM
:eek:That's his hood pulled tight, enzeder. I know what you mean though.;)


I've personally seen some crazy stuff in that neighborhood. Heck no I never saw an African American man in a blonde wig. Men in wigs maybe.;)

Naw I never did. In fact I think he'd get his tail kicked for that.

ohhhh

I though he was wearing a shower cap thingy, or like fast food cooks have to wear, the net things

Filly
12-18-2010, 01:33 AM
ohhhh

I though he was wearing a shower cap thingy, or like fast food cooks have to wear, the net things


Like a line cook?

Hmmmmmmmm, let me look again. I highly doubt it though. In the original video you can see he has a hoodie under his coat. Not the sketch but the video.

I'm still hung up on the walk. They're saying he has a gait. I think it was Fran that said all the young people walk like that with the pants on the ground. I'm now thinking maybe it's just that jail house walk people do. It's an aquired walk one learns in prison. I never got what was up with it, but know people that do it.

We got a line cook who has a Muslim beard with a weird walk. They need to catch this dude like yesterday. I so hate to think there's somebody living by the "no snitches" rule.

enzeder
12-18-2010, 01:33 AM
You can see the hood better in the first video. Both give the date as December 6th.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2drszeb.jpg
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/surveillance-vid-of-suspect-released

Filly
12-18-2010, 01:48 AM
Not sure, but I think that he may be wearing sun-glasses? Could the beard be part of a disguise?

http://i53.tinypic.com/99qkqr.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/ejcw9.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

enzeder, my apologies to you and tlcox. I see what you mean now under the hood. He's definately got a hood on from the sweatshirt underneath. This was at night and they say the video is in black and white. It does look like he has sunglasses on. Sunglasses at like 2:00AM? I wonder if he wears glasses? They never mentioned that.

There are young people that used to and maybe still do wear those red checkered things like scarves. The people from the Middle East wear them. I'm sorry I am not sure what they are called. It's definately to hide their idenity. I have seen that, but they cover their faces with them, and their heads. I really just think it's his hood, but who knows?

I do know it's crazy they haven't found him.

enzeder
12-18-2010, 01:54 AM
enzeder, my apologies to you and tlcox. I see what you mean now under the hood. He's definately got a hood on from the sweatshirt underneath. This was at night and they say the video is in black and white. It does look like he has sunglasses on. Sunglasses at like 2:00AM? I wonder if he wears glasses? They never mentioned that.

There are young people that used to and maybe still do wear those red checkered things like scarves. The people from the Middle East wear them. I'm sorry I am not sure what they are called. It's definately to hide their idenity. I have seen that, but they cover their faces with them, and their heads. I really just think it's his hood, but who knows?

I do know it's crazy they haven't found him.

I "fine tuned" that pic and did an "edge sharpen" on it and it's brought out every crease and wrinkle. I overdid the fine tuning. :)

It's a pale hood belonging to the sweat-shirt underneath the jacket. imo It definately looks like a Muslim style beard to me but I may be wrong about the sun-glasses. Don't know?.

enzeder
12-18-2010, 02:00 AM
Filly, you may be thinking of a Keffiyeh?. (scarf type headwear)

Filly
12-18-2010, 02:00 AM
He looks like he could be muslim looking at the video, looks like he may have the full beard, maybe something on his head, wrap, hat something.

I guess the police have been flooding streets of Kensington making low level arrests, prositution, drugs and getting DNA from everyone.

I don't know if they have put out flyers in the neighborhood, but I think that would be better than having stuff online.


Its a shame that this case hasn't gotten more national attention but I guess this is par for the course.


Sorry to be hogging the thread guys.

Crymesolver they do have flyers. I was thinking that off the bat. Like how many people in that area have access to a computer? Probably not the poor people that really could use one.

IMO that makes it more dangerous when they start making arrests for posession and distribution. I know it's illegal but that's going to have these women going elsewhere to cop and to dealers they aren't used to seeing. That in turn can lead them right to this guy. JMO

Reen was asking about the undercover cops. Lord knows they've done enough reverse stings. They are anything but naive and poorly trained, but the fact is if the dealers and lookouts know it's them then this guy probably would. He had to have lived there at some point. Maybe still does.

People are saying it is crazy down there. Can't mess with the flow of things without a bunch of people be angry and/or getting sick. I rather see them arrest prostitutes so they can be safe if even just for a few hours down at 8th street. I can't believe I said safe and 8th street in the same sentence.

Filly
12-18-2010, 02:07 AM
Filly, you may be thinking of a Keffiyeh?. (scarf type headwear)

That's it, enzeder. Thank you. I just messaged my friend because when we saw them running around with them we were like "Where's Arafat?"

Do you think he could have one on under his hood? Could be! However in the first video he didn't. The guys we saw wearing them had their faces covered like they do in Westerns when they hold a bank up.

No matter when we saw the "kids" with them on it was no fashion statement and had nothing to do with religion or political beliefs. It was purely so they couldn't be identified.

Thank you again, enzeder.

enzeder
12-18-2010, 02:15 AM
Another thing I noticed, when I was going through the frames, is that he appears to have something white up to his mouth. Rolling a cigarette maybe?.

http://i52.tinypic.com/vwfty.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/2lic789.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/2n4ydc.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309

enzeder
12-18-2010, 03:41 AM
Still images from the video + video
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/112091512.html

bessie
12-18-2010, 03:44 AM
Another thing I noticed, when I was going through the frames, is that he appears to have something white up to his mouth. Rolling a cigarette maybe?.

http://i52.tinypic.com/vwfty.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/2lic789.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/2n4ydc.jpg
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7850309&cmp=twi-wpvi-article-7850309
I think you're right about that, ezender. I guess it's not all that uncommon to roll one's own cigarettes. Yet, I think it's distinguishable enough that it might help to ID him. Of course, it might not be tobacco he's rolling. Still might make him recognizable, though.

Filly
12-18-2010, 04:36 AM
Again thanks enzeder for doing that for us with the photographs. If you see the comments at the last link I think they'd welcome you.

Two things.

1.) Indeed he could be rolling a ciggie. Or a joint. Although people roll those huge Blunts anymore. It is white. They said he's carrying a white iPod. Maybe he's eating it for all we know. Also in connection with the iPod people have said it appears he is texting. I think he was messing with the iPod. Hating to bring up addiction again, but addicts roll their own smokes. I know alot of people do, but addicts need their money. They take what's left from smoked ciggies and then save it up and roll their own.

2.) First he had a soul patch. I don't think a Muslim would have one. Or could they? They he changed to sideburns. O.K. was that poor woman confused or was it just sideburns then and now a full beard?

Conclusion? He's disguising himself. He has an iPod. He needs to be caught.

The reward from Elaine's family is now up to $4,000. I hope the people on the street get at him first as I agree with one of the people who commented at the last link.

Here I sit worried for all the women out there tonight.

Filly
12-18-2010, 05:56 AM
He got burnt. You know what that means? This guy is asking the reporter this. The guy enlightens us and tells us the murderer got HIV from a prostitute and now he's bent on revenge.

O.K. then that's feasible. However the guy tells us to put ourselves in his shoes and asks if we blame him.:doh: Iw on't even go there.

Police are trying to get into the mind of the killer. That's well and good, but where is the FBI? Did they leave? Mention of weather any of the women were wearing jewelry and if he took it as souveniers.

Do we balme him? Rumor mill and a guy talks like that.:banghead: Oh no dude we can't blame him even if it's true.:rolleyes: Who says something like that?


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_Cops_try_to_get_into_mind_of_Kensington_S trangler.html

tfrohning
12-18-2010, 09:17 AM
He got burnt. You know what that means? This guy is asking the reporter this. The guy enlightens us and tells us the murderer got HIV from a prostitute and now he's bent on revenge.

O.K. then that's feasible. However the guy tells us to put ourselves in his shoes and asks if we blame him.:doh: Iw on't even go there.

Police are trying to get into the mind of the killer. That's well and good, but where is the FBI? Did they leave? Mention of weather any of the women were wearing jewelry and if he took it as souveniers.

Do we balme him? Rumor mill and a guy talks like that.:banghead: Oh no dude we can't blame him even if it's true.:rolleyes: Who says something like that?


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_Cops_try_to_get_into_mind_of_Kensington_S trangler.html

I think LE need to talk this guy:furious:

J. J. in Phila
12-18-2010, 05:03 PM
I saw the article of the possibility of HIV. Scary. And yes, I'd blame him.

The Keffiyeh is exceptionally common in winter in the neighborhood; I have 2 and was wearing one today. They are warm and keep the skin from being exposed. They are also not considered effeminate, so men can wear then in public. Looking at the photo, it could be a hoodie under a jacket, a very common look.

I doubt if the guy would be Muslim; most Muslims wear a full beard. They also wear a full caftan, though often over jeans.

I did plot the attacks on my mapping program. All attacks are within about a 1/2 mile of each other. Four of them are on the south side of 2500 block of Kensington.

The dates look like, early and then mid month. It could be a welfare check day. If so, we could see another one just after New Year's Day, unless the guy stops or gets caught.

I heard a rumor that someone looking like him was at the Community Legal Services office at Broad and Erie earlier this week, but bolted.

Sorry to intrude, but this one is hitting close to home. :(

Linda7NJ
12-18-2010, 07:14 PM
:eek:That's his hood pulled tight, enzeder. I know what you mean though.;)


I've personally seen some crazy stuff in that neighborhood. Heck no I never saw an African American man in a blonde wig. Men in wigs maybe.;)

Naw I never did. In fact I think he'd get his tail kicked for that.


Filly don't you remember the AA drag queen hooker on Admiral Wilson Blvd? He always wore a blonde wig and a red mini skirt with nothing underneath. I used to always beep and wave at him when I drove by and he'd flash me by lifting up the front of that skirt!

passionflower
12-18-2010, 07:29 PM
Filly don't you remember the AA drag queen hooker on Admiral Wilson Blvd? He always wore a blonde wig and a red mini skirt with nothing underneath. I used to always beep and wave at him when I drove by and he'd flash me by lifting up the front of that skirt!

I needed that laugh tonight but the visual is just tooooo much!!!
LOL!!!

CSA FD
12-18-2010, 09:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Maverick1862/murder%20victims/CaseyMahoney.jpg
Casey Mahoney, Dec. 15, 2010

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Maverick1862/murder%20victims/NicolePiacentini.jpg
Nicole Piacentini, Nov. 13, 2010

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Maverick1862/murder%20victims/ElaineGoldberg.jpg
Elaine Goldberg, Nov. 3, 2010

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Maverick1862/murder%20victims/AllisonEdwards.jpg
Allison Edwards, Dec. 3, 2010


These are the victims
Dec. 7, 2010

VICTIMS - Nicole Piacentini and Elaine Goldberg have been linked by DNA to the same attacker. Police say that same person may be responsible for a third slaying and five other assaults since early October. The surviving victims are not being identified.

* Allison Edwards was found dead on Friday Dec. 3, 2010 on Glendale Street near Erie Avenue in Juniata Park.

* Nicole Piacentini was found dead on Nov. 13 on Cumberland Street near Jasper in Kensington.

* Elaine Goldberg was found dead on Nov. 3 on Ruth Street near Hart Lane in Kensington.

* Early October. A woman claims she was sexually assaulted and choked into unconsciousness at an abandoned property on Cumberland Street near Jasper in Kensington, the same location where Piacentini was found dead.

* Oct. 31. A woman claims she was sexually assaulted and choked into unconsciousness on Sergeant Street near Kensington Avenue in Kensington.

* Nov. 14. A woman claims she was raped and choked into unconsciousness a couple of times, before being robbed of $283, on Flora Street near Carlisle in North Philadelphia.

* Nov. 28. A woman claims she was dragged into a vacant lot on Buckius Street near Jasper in Juniata Park by a man with a box cutter and ordered to undress. When she screamed, he put her in a choke hold, but despite that, she was able to continue screaming. He fled on foot without sexually assaulting her.

* Yetserday. A woman claims she was strangled, punched and hit in the head with a brick in the same alley on Sergeant Street near Kensington Avenue where the Oct. 31 attack occurred.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101207_These_are_the_victims.html

CSA FD
12-18-2010, 09:53 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Maverick1862/predators/strangler.jpg

New Images Released of Suspected Philadelphia Serial Strangler

Published December 18, 2010

New enhanced footage has been released of a man Philadelphia police believe to be connected to a series of stranglings in the Philly area.

A young woman found this week may be the third victim of the Kensington strangler, MyFoxPhilly reports.

Casey Mahoney, 27, of East Stroudsburg, Pa., was the victim of a manual strangulation on Wednesday afternoon on East Tusculum Street.

Early Thursday evening, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey announced that Mahoney was found in a lot and may be a victim of the Kensington Strangler.

The autopsy confirmed Mahoney was sexually assaulted and was strangled. Police also retrieved DNA from the victim. Once that evidence is analyzed, police will know if the victim was the work of the strangler.

At least three other women have reported being attacked by a man who choked, sexually assaulted or hit them, police said.

The man was last seen wearing a black, hooded sweatshirt and black jeans. Police said he was described as a black male in his early 20s, approximately 5 feet 7 inches tall, and weighing 170 pounds. He has a medium complexion.

According to police, the suspect stated that his name is “Anthony.”

Police urge anyone with information about this male or about these crimes to call the Philadelphia Special Victims at 215.685.6263.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/18/new-images-released-suspected-philadelphia-serial-strangler/

J. J. in Phila
12-18-2010, 11:26 PM
Except for the Flora Street one, which doesn't fit MO either, all are fairly close together in Kensington.

There is a Welfare Office in the center of the rest of them.


Liberty District
219 East Lehigh Avenue
Philadelphia, PA 19125-1099

All other sites are within a half mile of it.

Seriously, with bimonthly pattern, I'd say that it could be tied to a welfare check pickup. I don't know if there are any places to cash them, an EFT site in the area.

enzeder
12-19-2010, 03:16 AM
Kensington Community Reacts to Strangler Case

Updated 12:15 AM EST, Sun, Dec 19, 2010

Outraged Kensington residents held a meeting around 10 a.m. on Saturday to address the wave of violence and crime in their community.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Kensington-Community-Reacts-to-Strangler-Case--112140389.html

enzeder
12-19-2010, 03:23 AM
MySpace page had eerie message from latest victim

Sat, Dec. 18, 2010

The question emerges eerily on the MySpace page of the woman who may be the latest victim of the Kensington Strangler, between "Ever shoplifted?" and "What do you want to be when you grow up?"

"How do you want to die?"

Casey Mahoney, 27, a pretty, young blonde who had recently lost 100 pounds and doted on her toddler son, responded in a way that today, seems downright tragic.

"Quickly, with no pain," Mahoney wrote.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_MySpace_page_had_eerie_message_from_lates t_victim.html

enzeder
12-19-2010, 03:35 AM
Cops try to get into mind of Kensington Strangler

Sat, Dec. 18, 2010

THE DAYS grow shorter and colder, while the body count seems as though it will only grow longer.

The cops hunting the Kensington Strangler know this. As they run down tip calls, pore over neighborhood surveillance footage and scour the desolate, depressed pockets of Kensington for something, anything, that could lead them to the killer, they wonder:

Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_Cops_try_to_get_into_mind_of_Kensington_S trangler.html

enzeder
12-19-2010, 03:55 AM
Enhanced police video of Kensington strangler suspect

Fri, Dec 17, 2010

http://i51.tinypic.com/1ypimf.jpg

http://www.philly.com/philly/video/121710_updated_kensington_video.html

Filly
12-19-2010, 06:11 PM
I think LE need to talk this guy:furious:

Unfortunately that guys beliefs are felt by alot of people. Particularly men. He gave his name, but either he purposely spelled it wrong or the
"reporter" spelled it wrong. I sent an e-mail to the guy who wrote that article and to the Op-Ed. By printing that he perpetuated an ugliness that these women don't need at any time let alone now.:furious:

That worked my last nerve. Like ummmmmm if you are frequenting prostitutes you don't think that's risky you a**? I don't know why I am so shocked someone actually said that or why I am shocked the Daily News printed it.

Filly
12-19-2010, 06:22 PM
I saw the article of the possibility of HIV. Scary. And yes, I'd blame him.

The Keffiyeh is exceptionally common in winter in the neighborhood; I have 2 and was wearing one today. They are warm and keep the skin from being exposed. They are also not considered effeminate, so men can wear then in public. Looking at the photo, it could be a hoodie under a jacket, a very common look.

I doubt if the guy would be Muslim; most Muslims wear a full beard. They also wear a full caftan, though often over jeans.

I did plot the attacks on my mapping program. All attacks are within about a 1/2 mile of each other. Four of them are on the south side of 2500 block of Kensington.

The dates look like, early and then mid month. It could be a welfare check day. If so, we could see another one just after New Year's Day, unless the guy stops or gets caught.

I heard a rumor that someone looking like him was at the Community Legal Services office at Broad and Erie earlier this week, but bolted.

Sorry to intrude, but this one is hitting close to home. :(

J.J. no way are you intruding. Thank you for the insight. I'm sorry you have to worry.

Do people have to pick up the welfare check? I thought it went directly onto one of those cards they use. If they do have to pick it up that could be a clue. Even if it's not welfare maybe he goes into the neighborhood for something else at those times.

The Keffiyeh. When I saw the guys wearing them it was summer. Definately wearing them sort of like everybody wears a big white T-Shirt and same pants so they aren't as recognizable when some cop radios "Pink shirt, purple pants, white baseball cap". You know what I mean? I was thinking well I sure couldn't identify them they got these scarves on their heads and over their faces.

The reason I didn't think he was Muslim was he originally had that soul patch.

If we are to believe the media that was no rumor the woman called the cops at the Community Legal Services. The poor woman was quite shaken up.

Please stay safe and thanks for sharing with us. That welfare thing could be dead on, but do you have to go to the office each time you get a check?

Filly
12-19-2010, 06:26 PM
Guardian Angels take to the streets to offer protection.




http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7852233

tfrohning
12-19-2010, 06:38 PM
Is there a pattern of days of the week?

From what I read all was murdered on the week end... and two were on Wednesdays.

If I wrong please correct me....

Something that stuck out to me Casey and Elaine has the same face shape. Also I guess I didn't know all the victims were all white??

enzeder
12-19-2010, 09:08 PM
Philadelphia strangling victim had NEPA ties

December 19, 2010

Less than a week before she was found strangled to death in Philadelphia, Casey Mahoney was in Northeast Pennsylvania hospitals, trying to get clean.

Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/philadelphia-strangling-victim-had-nepa-ties-1.1079538#axzz18bqQoGuy

enzeder
12-19-2010, 09:12 PM
Is Philadelphia killer posing victims?

PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 19 (UPI) -- Philadelphia police say the killer nicknamed the Kensington strangler may be posing his victims.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/12/19/Is-Philadelphia-killer-posing-victims/UPI-95841292743985/

Debbie3223
12-19-2010, 10:13 PM
this last poor girl went to at least high school here in my lil girls district.....why would she leave the beautiful smoky mountains/blue ridge parkway for Philly..ugh.. poor thing.. its big news here as she was a *local* RIP all of them

Filly
12-19-2010, 11:53 PM
Is there a pattern of days of the week?

From what I read all was murdered on the week end... and two were on Wednesdays.

If I wrong please correct me....

Something that stuck out to me Casey and Elaine has the same face shape. Also I guess I didn't know all the victims were all white??


Oh I have to get a calendar, T! Not sure about the end of the week.

Yes, all the victims have been caucasian. Similar age brackets.

Filly
12-20-2010, 12:23 AM
Philadelphia strangling victim had NEPA ties

December 19, 2010

Less than a week before she was found strangled to death in Philadelphia, Casey Mahoney was in Northeast Pennsylvania hospitals, trying to get clean.

Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/philadelphia-strangling-victim-had-nepa-ties-1.1079538#axzz18bqQoGuy


Oh at least she had people that loved her. Even her friends family.

Northeastern Pennsylvania Hospital? Northeastern closed and was not a drug/alcohol facility. It may be now though. It is close to where the murders occured.

The only other one I can think of is Kensington hospital. I was just looking up facilities and they were rated. It gave Kensington a few stars. Trust me I can tell you that is total BS.

Now if the friends mom meant Penn Presby that kills me because that is a phenomenal program. However I can tell you they would give you a problem about insurance but would work with you. The article stated that Casey left after a week. That's not uncommon wherever she was. Maybe it wasn't insurance, but she wanted to leave.

I'm wondering where Elaine had gone as well as Nicole. I wondered from the get-go if maybe he didn't meet the girls through rehab or meetings.

It is so tough when they know there's drugs just a few El stops away. Heck, with Kensington hospital it's right around the corner.

Poor girl. So sad to have her life taken from her in the midst of trying.

Filly
12-20-2010, 12:30 AM
why would she leave the beautiful smoky mountains/blue ridge parkway for Philly


Drugs.

Debbie they are reporting that Casey had also lived in New York. Then of course she went to East Stroudsburg. Maybe it's there she picked up a habit?

With all do respect and I absolutely know what you mean, but our entire city isn't like this. We do have a beautiful city. I'm guessing originally she came here to go to rehab from East Stroudsburg. As good as it is to be getting clean there's always people meeting up in detox and they leave together to use. I wish I could go to the smoky mountains though.:)

I'm sorry y'all have lost such a beautiful regular.

J. J. in Phila
12-20-2010, 03:09 AM
Do people have to pick up the welfare check? I thought it went directly onto one of those cards they use. If they do have to pick it up that could be a clue. Even if it's not welfare maybe he goes into the neighborhood for something else at those times.


I have not worked there for nearly 13 years, but I think it's like an ATM card now, only rarely a check (if at all). They still have to go someplace to get the actual cash, but not the office.

I found two check cashing places in the area. One is, I think, is just north of where the four attacks occurred (2700 block?) and one is basically where Front intersects with Kensington Avenue. I'm wondering if they do Welfare Department EFT's?

The thing is, the payments, when the money is credited electronically, is bimonthly. I'm looking at the pattern and the attacks look bimonthly. They determine payment day by the last digit of the record number. Maybe by someone whose record number ends with 3-5?

He could be using cash to bait the prostitutes.



The Keffiyeh. When I saw the guys wearing them it was summer. Definately wearing them sort of like everybody wears a big white T-Shirt and same pants so they aren't as recognizable when some cop radios "Pink shirt, purple pants, white baseball cap". You know what I mean? I was thinking well I sure couldn't identify them they got these scarves on their heads and over their faces.


It's basically the style (and yes, I dress that way), at least in winter. I don't see too many Keffiyehs in summer, however.

That was definitely a hoodie, but they are so common, I'm wearing one now.



If we are to believe the media that was no rumor the woman called the cops at the Community Legal Services. The poor woman was quite shaken up.


I didn't hear it from the media; I heard it on the street. I live within walking distance of that office, but I'm male and older. Most of the people I know in the area don't fit the victims profile, so far.

Ironically, even in 90's, I've never seen a prostitute at that corner. You do see Caucasians there, in that age/sex range, because it's people from Temple Hospital using the subway.

J. J. in Phila
12-20-2010, 03:26 AM
Is there a pattern of days of the week?

From what I read all was murdered on the week end... and two were on Wednesdays.



November 13, Saturday.

November 3, Wednesday.

October 31, Sunday.

December 15, Wednesday.

Linda7NJ
12-20-2010, 10:37 AM
I thought it was rare for a serial killer to murder outside of his race? Could he be biracial? Perhaps his mother is white?

J. J. in Phila
12-20-2010, 12:39 PM
I thought it was rare for a serial killer to murder outside of his race? Could he be biracial? Perhaps his mother is white?


Jeffrey Dahmer targeted African Americans and Asians.

The Beltway Snipers were all over the map racially, I think.

tfrohning
12-20-2010, 02:38 PM
November 13, Saturday.

November 3, Wednesday.

October 31, Sunday.

December 15, Wednesday.

also Allison Edwards Dec 3 which was Friday

Oct 31 A woman claims she was assaulted- Fri

tfrohning
12-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Facebook Users Unite Against the Kensington Strangler


http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Kensington-Strangler-Facebook-112194084.html

J. J. in Phila
12-20-2010, 06:54 PM
also Allison Edwards Dec 3 which was Friday

Oct 31 A woman claims she was assaulted- Fri

I just checked again, October 31 was a Sunday.

If the pattern holds, it's tied to a welfare payment, and they don't get the guy, January 7-11 should be the next attack.

Linda7NJ
12-20-2010, 07:49 PM
Jeffrey Dahmer targeted African Americans and Asians.

The Beltway Snipers were all over the map racially, I think.


I didn't say it never happened, I simply said I believed it to be rare.

I don't believe Dahmer or the Snipers can be compared to this particular guy. This guy enjoys the intimacy of the murder, enjoys watching their fear and suffering. It's up close and personal unlike the DC Snipers. Dahmer, well he was really far out there. He wanted to keep his victims with him always, so he began eating parts of them. In a sick twisted way, he believed he loved them.

Missizzy
12-20-2010, 08:06 PM
I'm a bit late as snow did in my internet connection but has the issue of 3's been brought up? There are deaths reported on Nov. 3rd, Nov. 13, Dec. 3rd, and Dec. 15th. Are there more details about Casey's death?. She was found on the 15th but is it possible that she'd been dead for two days? I'm really sorry if this has been gone over but I didn't see it. Then there's the issue of the woman who was assaulted on Oct. 31st. That's Halloween. Another 3. Also, a day when strange deaths occur. And nothing that seems related, prior to Halloween??

Missizzy
12-20-2010, 08:15 PM
According to this article:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/philadelphia-strangling-victim-had-nepa-ties-1.1079538#axzz18hTML1SM

Casey's body was found on Wednesday, Dec. 15th at around 5 pm. I can't find anything about how long the coroner estimated she'd been dead.

Here's what confuses me. The article above says that she was discovered dead and posed on Wed. afternoon around 5 pm. Here's another article which states that she was killed on Wed. afternoon and that autopsy reports were already in by a Thurs. presser. That's really quick, isn't it? Also I see no mention that the coroner set her estimated time or date of death:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/strangled-philadelphia-woman-rd-serial-strangler-victim/

"....Casey Mahoney, 27, of East Stroudsburg, Pa., was the victim of a manual strangulation on Wednesday afternoon on East Tusculum Street, MyFoxPhilly.com reports. Police Deputy Commissioner William Blackburn announced the results of Mahoney's autopsy at a news conference Thursday.


Bless her heart. She almost made it out.

Filly
12-20-2010, 09:54 PM
I have not worked there for nearly 13 years, but I think it's like an ATM card now, only rarely a check (if at all). They still have to go someplace to get the actual cash, but not the office.

I found two check cashing places in the area. One is, I think, is just north of where the four attacks occurred (2700 block?) and one is basically where Front intersects with Kensington Avenue. I'm wondering if they do Welfare Department EFT's?

The thing is, the payments, when the money is credited electronically, is bimonthly. I'm looking at the pattern and the attacks look bimonthly. They determine payment day by the last digit of the record number. Maybe by someone whose record number ends with 3-5?

He could be using cash to bait the prostitutes.



It's basically the style (and yes, I dress that way), at least in winter. I don't see too many Keffiyehs in summer, however.

That was definitely a hoodie, but they are so common, I'm wearing one now.



I didn't hear it from the media; I heard it on the street. I live within walking distance of that office, but I'm male and older. Most of the people I know in the area don't fit the victims profile, so far.

Ironically, even in 90's, I've never seen a prostitute at that corner. You do see Caucasians there, in that age/sex range, because it's people from Temple Hospital using the subway.

Thank you, JJ. That was informative. The cash checking establishment is a good clue if anything.

Yeah with hoodies I posted a ways back I do it too and I am a chick. I'll wear a PENN sweatshirt underneath a non descript jacket and put the hood up. Of course I didn't go to PENN. LOL

Oh those kids back in the summer and that was many a summer agoe they definately were lookouts the ones in the Middle Eastern scarf gear. That's a fact. Considering they were yelling 5-OH anytime a police car was approaching.

As far as seeing prostitutes on the corner just from my own observation I've seen way more in Frankford. Not on a corner but strolling. I guess between K&A up to Somerset they are there but on foot. Poor girls out in the freezing cold in those little jackets.

My dad worked out of East Detectives and he'd once in awhile say "Those ladies were all congregated on Visitation steps and it's freezing out".

Thanks again for the insight. Lucky we don't have to count pawn shops, right?

Not to mention those scenesters, and hipsters and their gentrifiying got me all confused.:D Lil secret is I went to Shepard school as a kid. Just kindergarten and that was eons ago. Broke my heart to see what happened in the neighborhood. Hoping the good citizens finally catch a break and get some peace.

Filly
12-20-2010, 10:13 PM
I didn't say it never happened, I simply said I believed it to be rare.

I don't believe Dahmer or the Snipers can be compared to this particular guy. This guy enjoys the intimacy of the murder, enjoys watching their fear and suffering. It's up close and personal unlike the DC Snipers. Dahmer, well he was really far out there. He wanted to keep his victims with him always, so he began eating parts of them. In a sick twisted way, he believed he loved them.

Linda, Gary Heidnik murdered women outside his race as well. Keeping with the Philadelphia theme I'll add Harrison Marty Graham. He only murdered African American women.

Gary was a complete lunatic. A supposed racist yet he wanted to start huge families with the women he murdered. Master plan and all ya know? Not to forget his wife was from the Philappines and he didn't murder her. Just subjected her to torture and degradation.

Here's a link, Linda. You may have read it today. "Fox said it is unusual that the Kensington strangler who is described as a black man with long sideburns apparently has singled out white women in their 20's and early 30's If this is sexually motivated. there is a tendency to seek out those of the same race".

Hmmmmmmmmm, Linda I thought exactly like you. Just because he's dark skinned it don't mean his mom was not white. Right? On an aside it don't mean his daddy wasn't white and his mom African American. One step further how do we know he was not adopted?

J. J. in Phila
12-20-2010, 10:39 PM
Thank you, JJ. That was informative. The cash checking establishment is a good clue if anything.


There could be other Electronic Fund Transfer places; I frankly don't know. I retired from the office (not the one I posted) about 13 years ago.




As far as seeing prostitutes on the corner just from my own observation I've seen way more in Frankford. Not on a corner but strolling. I guess between K&A up to Somerset they are there but on foot. Poor girls out in the freezing cold in those little jackets.

My dad worked out of East Detectives and he'd once in awhile say "Those ladies were all congregated on Visitation steps and it's freezing out".


When I started working, it was in South Philly, and there were a lot along Broad (not anymore, however). One day, when there was about 4 inches of snow on the ground, I saw one dressed almost like a Dallas Cowboy's cheerleader. I wanted to say, "I'll give you $20.00 if you put some clothes on!" :) I resisted the temptation and when on my way.

A bit more seriously, there are a few areas where prostitutes frequent. The area around Flora Street is one of them. If he's going after prostitutes, he might not stay in Kensington.




Thanks again for the insight. Lucky we don't have to count pawn shops, right?



Actually, the check cashing places are probably more widespread and at least some of will cash checks. The thing is, the welfare payments will be regular, so it might give you a window of when, if not where or who.

tfrohning
12-20-2010, 10:50 PM
also Allison Edwards Dec 3 which was Friday

Oct 31 A woman claims she was assaulted- Fri

oct 31 was sunday

Filly
12-20-2010, 11:11 PM
There could be other Electronic Fund Transfer places; I frankly don't know. I retired from the office (not the one I posted) about 13 years ago.




When I started working, it was in South Philly, and there were a lot along Broad (not anymore, however). One day, when there was about 4 inches of snow on the ground, I saw one dressed almost like a Dallas Cowboy's cheerleader. I wanted to say, "I'll give you $20.00 if you put some clothes on!" :) I resisted the temptation and when on my way.

A bit more seriously, there are a few areas where prostitutes frequent. The area around Flora Street is one of them. If he's going after prostitutes, he might not stay in Kensington.




Actually, the check cashing places are probably more widespread and at least some of will cash checks. The thing is, the welfare payments will be regular, so it might give you a window of when, if not where or who.

"Scuse me, JJ that was me in the Cowgirl outfit. I'd have took your $20.00

Good thinking though. If it's just prostitutes he's after he could go to South Philly. I hear ya. The last time I had to go down by 16th and McKean for something I was shocked. Melrose area ya know? I hadn't been down there in so long and it just shocked me. I always steered clear of Washington. It's good to know they are making changes. Pas-Yunk was a nice place to shop.

Also he would have went to West, right? Five and Deuce. Baltimore Avenue in parts is just crazy. So I think he has a comfort zone in Kensington. I think he's lived there. Even your random heroin addict who is new to copping down there wouldn't know what house is alright to inhabit. Or what alley is O.K. to have privacy. Those poor residents. Held hostage.

I think maybe you can even put one of the green and yellow cards into an ATM as you said electronically. Like even in a Wawa.

It's eerie though these dates. Not the date dates, but the calendar dates.

Personally I saw prostitutes looking for dates at Somerset, but that was ummmmmmmm 'bout seven years ago so I have no idea. I know Harrowgate is a hot spot. Right on Kensington in front of the park. Sadly I had a friend who worked right off there.

Could he have been a dealer? I just don't think so. I'm surprised the dealers haven't hunted him down. All those arrests being made. All that police prescence can't be good for business.

The weekend dates for sure seem to have something to do with it.

Thanks again JJ. You owe me $20.00. Trust me I've actually asked the kids down on Spruce/Lombard if I'd give them my last $20.00 or so would they please not get in another car. Sweet boys. My heart breaks. Then they get honest and grin and say "I'll take it, but yeah I'm gonna get in another car". Then they ask "Gotta a cigarette?" Poor kids.

tfrohning
12-20-2010, 11:23 PM
I just checked again, October 31 was a Sunday.

If the pattern holds, it's tied to a welfare payment, and they don't get the guy, January 7-11 should be the next attack.

sorry Sunday

So will there be a check on dec 23? do you know? TIA

I still not understanding the checks. Do they get Checks on Sundays?

Filly
12-20-2010, 11:29 PM
I'm a bit late as snow did in my internet connection but has the issue of 3's been brought up? There are deaths reported on Nov. 3rd, Nov. 13, Dec. 3rd, and Dec. 15th. Are there more details about Casey's death?. She was found on the 15th but is it possible that she'd been dead for two days? I'm really sorry if this has been gone over but I didn't see it. Then there's the issue of the woman who was assaulted on Oct. 31st. That's Halloween. Another 3. Also, a day when strange deaths occur. And nothing that seems related, prior to Halloween??

Wait a minute. Santeria! Elegua. Saint Anthony! Th guy said his name was Anthony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess what number is associate with Elegua? THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O.K. I don't want to give the dude too much credit, but hey!

Santeria is practiced by people in this neighborhood. ***I am not saying all people that practice Santeria are going to go murdering people, but it may hold some signifigance.***

With my own eyes I have seen piegons with their heads chopped off around there. Then again I saw a dead dog just left in the street. Finally maybe a few days later someone decided to put a door on top of it. I saw kids pour lighter fluid on pigeons too. None of that is Santeria so who knows?

The three's though and Anthony. Hmmmmmmm ya never know.

Yeah O.K. then there's aloton Saint Anthony and prostitutes. A Bishop moved them across from where Saint Anthony resided. This may be far fetched but who knows?

Filly
12-20-2010, 11:37 PM
sorry Sunday

So will there be a check on dec 23? do you know? TIA

I still not understanding the checks. Do they get Checks on Sundays?

T, Honestly I don't think they get checks anymore. I think it goes right on to their card. The one my mom keeps screaming she wants when she's just about eating and sees a person with a welfare card in front of her ordering all kinds of goodies. That would be food stamps, but they ask them "Stamps or cash"?

If it's 3's well we have three days to figure that out.

JJ knows more about the system though. My friends DD gets welfare. I'll ask her. Plus he's attacked the one woman at night. I doubt anything down there isopen at 2:00AM where he could get his welfare loot. Ya never know though.

Then again like JJ said he may be luring the women with cash!!!!!!!!! That's more like it. He'd have cash on those days.

Filly
12-20-2010, 11:52 PM
Pay me no mind, but Izzy may be on to something.

Saint Anthony was Franciscan.

I've not on purpose mentioned an extremely wonderful outreach program in Kensington not far from where these murders are taking place.<modsnip> if this guy is homeless somebody at Saint Francis Inn would have seen him. They also would have turned him in.

Could it be? Does he think he's doing the world a favor? Does he use the "3" as an excuse and symbolism?

Plus what happens on these days at the Inn or the days prior?

******Disclaimer to say again it's a program that helps the less fortunate, and they do very good work.********

Maybe he's torn?

J. J. in Phila
12-21-2010, 12:19 AM
sorry Sunday

So will there be a check on dec 23? do you know? TIA

I still not understanding the checks. Do they get Checks on Sundays?

No Sunday checks or EFT's when I was there.

They would not all come out at the same time; they are based the recipient's record number, a seven digit number with a 2 digit county code in front.

If the record number ends in 1, benefit's would be received on 12/1 (Wed.) A 2, on 12/2. A 3, on 12/3 (Fri.). A 4, not until Monday, 12/6. They are bimonthly, so I'm not sure when the cycle restarts, but I'd guess early, because of the holidays.

The three dead woman fit the cycle; they were confirmed to be her. What was the date of the attack on the survivor?

J. J. in Phila
12-21-2010, 12:39 AM
"Scuse me, JJ that was me in the Cowgirl outfit. I'd have took your $20.00


So you're 5'6", 200 pound black woman? ;)



Good thinking though. If it's just prostitutes he's after he could go to South Philly. I hear ya.


Broad and Poplar has been notorious since the 1970's, but less open now. Woodland in SW is a haven. Downtown, of course, but they are generally indoors. (Funny how I know that.)

It really depends if the strangler is going after prostitutes in general or just those in that area.

If you friend has a payment day card for Philadelphia, you might want to check it.

I'll add it's just a theory, but it was the only one I could see.

crymesolver
12-21-2010, 12:52 AM
This is the computer age right, 2010, 1984, Big Brother, whatever you want to call it.

If a cell phone pings as long as it is turned on, why not use cell phone pings to track phones that were within range of the areas closest to the dump sites. We probably have at least 5-6 points of reference to use. Run down the owner of any phone that registered multiple times in those areas.

Does that make sense?

J. J. in Phila
12-21-2010, 01:04 AM
This is the computer age right, 2010, 1984, Big Brother, whatever you want to call it.

If a cell phone pings as long as it is turned on, why not use cell phone pings to track phones that were within range of the areas closest to the dump sites. We probably have at least 5-6 points of reference to use. Run down the owner of any phone that registered multiple times in those areas.

Does that make sense?

He might not have one have it turned on.

Also, there could be a few thousand that would be pinged even by the local tower. I've also gotten some signals carried by more distant towers.

enzeder
12-21-2010, 01:23 AM
Can anyone make out what it is that appears to be covering his mouth?

http://i51.tinypic.com/1j6f5h.jpg
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/112091512.html

J. J. in Phila
12-21-2010, 01:35 AM
I think the tape show him rolling a cigarette or blunt.

enzeder
12-21-2010, 01:37 AM
FB Plays Key Role in Hunt for Kensington Strangler

Updated 11:41 PM EST, Mon, Dec 20, 2010

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Kensington-Strangler-Facebook-112194084.html

enzeder
12-21-2010, 01:49 AM
Kensington strangling victims were easy prey for a killer

Mon, Dec. 20, 2010

The man preying on women in Kensington has chosen his victims well.

Addicted and swirling through the neighborhood's dangerous drug culture, where life and death happen in abandoned buildings and desolate alleys, the victims already existed on the edges of society.

None of the three women found dead since Nov. 3 lived in Kensington, meaning they were part of a transient population of outsiders with few ties to the area.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20101220_Kensington_strangling_victims_were_easy_p rey_for_a_killer.html#ixzz18iqmtGIL

Missizzy
12-21-2010, 01:53 AM
Thank you, Filly. I did NOT want to be the one to say it again. I have a reputation as always waving the SRA calendar around. I do not know your city but there sure seems to be some significance with starting on Halloween and then following up on 3's. Especially when you add in the posing. I wonder if there are little details that LE has held back which could be linked to different practices?

So, no clear details on a time of death for Casey?

Maybe nothing. Maybe something.

enzeder
12-21-2010, 01:53 AM
Police use DNA to connect strangling victims

Mon, Dec. 20, 2010

BY MIDWEEK, when DNA results from a third Kensington strangulation victim come back, police expect to know if Philadelphia has a serial killer on its streets. For now, cops and experts say they see disturbing similarities in three recent strangulations and three other chokings.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101220_Police_use_DNA_to_connect_strangling_vict ims.html

Missizzy
12-21-2010, 02:12 AM
I am neither Catholic nor do I practice Santeria and thus am a bit confused. Is Saint Anthony and El Nino de Atocha one and the same? In the Catholic faith, Saint Anthony is a friend of children. El Nino de Atocha in Spain and Portugal seems similar but not exactly the same. Not sure where Santeria places him/them. I see a theme of him being a gatekeeper and a life saver to the poor and troubled.

http://www.7-angeles.com/orishas.html

"...Ellegua (Saint Anthony of Padua) - He is the owner of all crossroads (where all roads meet) and therefore has a strong influence on our destiny (he allows some things to get to you, and others not to). He is a fun Orishas, loves children and candy, can be tricky (loves a good joke and playing jokes) and his colors are red/black..."

http://www.santeriareligion101.com/

"...."El Nino de Atocha" or Saint Anthony~The colors associated to this orisha or spiritual figure are Black and Red and the number associated to him is the number three...."


http://rosieysus21divisiones.blogspot.com/2008/05/el-dia-de-todos-los-santos-del-cielo.html

"....El Nino de Atocha (The Little Boy of Atocha) is a particular vision of Jesus Christ as a young boy wearing a pilgrim's cloak and hat of 16th century style. He carries a basket of food, a staff, a water-gourd, and a sheaf of wheat. He is usually shown sitting in a chair, often with matched vases of flowers on either side of him. His popularity is greatest in Spain and the Central and South American countries once conquered and colonized by Spain. Some people in Santeria consider him to be a symbol of the Orisha Ellegua, one of the Seven African Powers.
The story of El Nino de Atocha is this:

When the Moors conquered the town of Atocha, Spain, in the 1400s they imprisoned the Christians and provided them with no food. The people would have starved to death but for a little boy dressed as a pilgrim who appeared at the jail every day with a basket of food, some grain for bread, and a gourd full of water. When the Moors were expelled, the Christians were released, and it was believed that the miraculous little boy was none other than the infant Jesus.

In later years El Nino de Atocha appeared again in the vicinity of Atocha, where he performed other miracles, such as staving off a rape in progress.

Today he is revered as the special patron for those who are in prison, living under regimes of political torture, those in trouble with the I.N.S., victims of crimes including rape and abduction, those facing a court case, and those who, by virtue of circumstances, require help from outside for the opening of their way.

Harmony2
12-21-2010, 02:28 AM
According to this article:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/philadelphia-strangling-victim-had-nepa-ties-1.1079538#axzz18hTML1SM

Casey's body was found on Wednesday, Dec. 15th at around 5 pm. I can't find anything about how long the coroner estimated she'd been dead.

Here's what confuses me. The article above says that she was discovered dead and posed on Wed. afternoon around 5 pm. Here's another article which states that she was killed on Wed. afternoon and that autopsy reports were already in by a Thurs. presser. That's really quick, isn't it? Also I see no mention that the coroner set her estimated time or date of death:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/strangled-philadelphia-woman-rd-serial-strangler-victim/

"....Casey Mahoney, 27, of East Stroudsburg, Pa., was the victim of a manual strangulation on Wednesday afternoon on East Tusculum Street, MyFoxPhilly.com reports. Police Deputy Commissioner William Blackburn announced the results of Mahoney's autopsy at a news conference Thursday.


Bless her heart. She almost made it out.

At the end of this video the reporter mentions the witness who found the body. That person had been to the same lot 24 hours earlier and it was not there. The reporter says this indicates the body was there a short time.

http://video.philadelphia.cbslocal.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=5388921&at1=News&h1=Woman’s Body Found In Kensington Lot&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

The video is at the end of the article at this link. (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/15/woman%e2%80%99s-body-found-in-kensington-lot/)

Missizzy
12-21-2010, 03:50 AM
Got it, I think. Saint Anthony and El Nino de Atocha are both corresponding patron saints of Papa Legba, the gatekeeper (BTW, his day of the week is Monday):

http://www.squidoo.com/papalegba

"...One way in which African slaves could continue to practice their traditional religions was by shrouding them in elements of Catholicism. Thus, there are corresponding saints for each of the major deities or Seven African Powers. The Seven African Powers is largely a Hoodoo term that is used by practitioners of Santeria, New Orleans Voodoo, Candomble, and other religions. In Spanish, they are referred to as Las Sietes Potencias.

Following is a list of Legba's corresponding saints.

Eleggua / Elegua/ Legba: Messenger, Opener of the Way, Trickster:

* Saint Simon Peter

* San Martin (Caballero)

* Saint Anthony (of Padua)

* El Nino de Atocha

* St. Lazarus

* Saint Expedite

* Saint Michael Archangel



much more at link

I know that the man who assaulted the women who lived was said to be soft-spoken. Has there been any mention of an accent or cadence to his voice?

crymesolver
12-21-2010, 09:49 AM
Apparently this guy looked like the wanted poster and video, so of course instead of calling police they posted his name and address on facebook, he called the police when a crowd started forming outside his house.



Apparentlyhttp://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/21/man-on-facebook-is-not-the-%e2%80%98kensington-strangler%e2%80%99/

They cleared him pretty quickly, I wonder if that means they have other strong leads.

tfrohning
12-21-2010, 12:18 PM
T, Honestly I don't think they get checks anymore. I think it goes right on to their card. The one my mom keeps screaming she wants when she's just about eating and sees a person with a welfare card in front of her ordering all kinds of goodies. That would be food stamps, but they ask them "Stamps or cash"?

If it's 3's well we have three days to figure that out.

JJ knows more about the system though. My friends DD gets welfare. I'll ask her. Plus he's attacked the one woman at night. I doubt anything down there isopen at 2:00AM where he could get his welfare loot. Ya never know though.

Then again like JJ said he may be luring the women with cash!!!!!!!!! That's more like it. He'd have cash on those days.

oh so maybe he the one getting money:banghead:That more like it...I was confuse. I don't know much about about state money...the first Tuesday is ssi day and you do not go to walmart. and I always seen than used a card.

and wic slips I shame that I also behind them wonder how they get junk food:banghead:

I sure hope nothing goes down on 23. but I am nervous about that date.

Funny thing! I remember today years ago and I mean years ago I dated a guy from Kensington area.

I also want to chime in that Philly is wonder city we always went shopping there and the wonderful museums, the best cheesesteaks and scrapper in the world.

I have family there. this kind stuff happen in all big city. In my younger days I lived in Overbrook area it was very nice back than.

Going off your post to another poster.

Texas Mist
12-21-2010, 12:40 PM
Live presser happening now

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Kensington-Strangler-Police-Mayor-Nutter-112247569.html

tfrohning
12-21-2010, 01:05 PM
No Sunday checks or EFT's when I was there.

They would not all come out at the same time; they are based the recipient's record number, a seven digit number with a 2 digit county code in front.

If the record number ends in 1, benefit's would be received on 12/1 (Wed.) A 2, on 12/2. A 3, on 12/3 (Fri.). A 4, not until Monday, 12/6. They are bimonthly, so I'm not sure when the cycle restarts, but I'd guess early, because of the holidays.

The three dead woman fit the cycle; they were confirmed to be her. What was the date of the attack on the survivor?

Oct 31 Sun... A women claims she was sexually assaulted and choked

also Nov 14 Sunday... Woman claims she was raped and chocked ad rob $283.
this was one on Flora st

Nov 28 Sun....woman claims she was dragged into a vacant lot on Buckius st
by man wih box cutter.


Could it also be possable that the guy might be getting unemployment benfits:waitasec: Here they are bi monthly.

Texas Mist
12-21-2010, 02:14 PM
PHILADELPHIA - Philadelphia city officials want the public's tips to help find a man who has killed two women and possibly a third, but they're discouraging anyone from taking justice into their own hands.
....................
A $30,000 reward is now being offered for the arrest and conviction of this individual, with $25,000 coming from the city and $5,000 from the Citizens Crime Commission, the mayor said.

Additionally, the Fraternal Order of Police is offering $5,000 and City Councilman Frank DiCicco is putting up $2,000 just for an arrest of the attacker.


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Kensington_Strangler_Rewards_Vigilantism_Discourag ed_122110


ETA: artlce has been updated & video is of today's presser

J. J. in Phila
12-21-2010, 05:04 PM
Oct 31 Sun... A women claims she was sexually assaulted and choked

also Nov 14 Sunday... Woman claims she was raped and chocked ad rob $283.
this was one on Flora st

Nov 28 Sun....woman claims she was dragged into a vacant lot on Buckius st
by man wih box cutter.


Could it also be possable that the guy might be getting unemployment benfits:waitasec: Here they are bi monthly.

I didn't think of it, but you could be right. They, the attacks, look bimonthly, but not two weeks apart and not on a specific day.

The Flora Street attack is the one well outside of Kensington. It's in Francisville/Brewerytown, about half a block north of Girard. Neither of those two attacks fit the MO completely.

Texas Mist
12-21-2010, 06:37 PM
NBCPhiladelphia NBC Philadelphia

CONFIRMED: Kensington Strangler DNA connected to the murder of 3rd #Kensington woman

http://twitter.com/#!/NBCPhiladelphia

Harmony2
12-21-2010, 09:18 PM
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/dna-returns-as-a-match-in-kensington

Police Deem Killer A 'Serial Predator'
DNA Returns As A Match In Kensington


Just in the the Fox 29 Newsroom:

Philadelphia police and investigators have just wrapped up a news conference where they announced that DNA from the 3rd strangulation victim in Kensington has returned a match to the other two strangulation victims.

Last week, 27 year-old Casey Mahoney was found strangled in a vacant lot on Front & Tusculum Street. She is now the third victim of the so-called 'Kensington Strangler' . The other victims, Nicole Piacentini and Elaine Goldberg were also found strangled and beaten in early November.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 12:34 AM
Does anyone think he attack again in Kensington? To the locals what other location would be like Kensington?

I think that little presser was to p him off which is sometime needed to bring him out...

I do feel bad for that guy that was outs on Facebook. whoever posted that guy picture should be arrested.

Steely Dan
12-22-2010, 12:46 AM
CNN Article (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/21/pennsylvania.police.reward/index.html?hpt=T2)

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 01:49 AM
Does anyone think he attack again in Kensington? To the locals what other location would be like Kensington?


It depends if he's targeting prostitutes just in Kensington or generally.

If generally, since I'm one of the resident experts on hookers in Phila, (Well, I did exchange e-mails with the DC Madam. Actually a nice lady.) :), these are the areas I'd guess.:

About a 2 block radius around Broad and Poplar; that's where the Flora Street attack was.

Someplace along the rail line (Sedgley and Glenwood) west of Front and east of 12th. (That's fairly close to the current attacks.)

Elmwood in Southwest from 60th to 70th Streets.

The way LE is talking, it looks like they think he'll stay in Kensington.

I'm worried about the Flora Street attack. It could be the strangler or it could be a robbery by someone else.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 02:14 AM
It depends if he's targeting prostitutes just in Kensington or generally.

If generally, since I'm one of the resident experts on hookers in Phila, (Well, I did exchange e-mails with the DC Madam. Actually a nice lady.) :), these are the areas I'd guess.:

About a 2 block radius around Broad and Poplar; that's where the Flora Street attack was.

Someplace along the rail line (Sedgley and Glenwood) west of Front and east of 12th. (That's fairly close to the current attacks.)

Elmwood in Southwest from 60th to 70th Streets.

The way LE is talking, it looks like they think he'll stay in Kensington.

I'm worried about the Flora Street attack. It could be the strangler or it could be a robbery by someone else.

Thank You! they are saying he getting bolder!! I listening to scanner link in Philly has no idea where it really at:crazy:

I agree On the Flora St.

I don't know if this is the same one but the nov 28 attack on Bucklus st near Jasper by man with a box cutter. That one doesn't seen to match the MO.:waitasec:

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 02:27 AM
Is there anyway this guy moved from AC to LI and now working Kensington.

I really susprise no one asking LE if ac and Li could be connected.

Plus POI is so young....

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 02:34 AM
I was reading on facebook that they are mentioning the rail line.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 02:52 AM
I was looking at web cams for the area. the one i found was not avail to public. I bet they got web cams set up this guy is crazy to try to kill in that area.

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/pennsylvania/philadelphia/

sherbetjello
12-22-2010, 02:53 AM
November 13, Saturday.

November 3, Wednesday.

October 31, Sunday.

December 15, Wednesday.

Sure is a lot of numbers that look the same, minus the 15th.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 03:05 AM
Sure is a lot of numbers that look the same, minus the 15th.

I thought I heard today they found her on the 15th. I don;t remembering hearing time of death.

so she could been murder a couple days before.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 03:09 AM
this monster has a pattern going on and it bugging the crap out me. :(

bessie
12-22-2010, 04:04 AM
The residents are anxious, but the police commissioner warns vigilantism won't be tolerated.

Philadelphia police hunt suspect in 3 stranglings

The clamor around the attacks led to the creation of a Facebook page, "Catch the Kensington Strangler, before he catches someone you love."

People have filled the site with comments and theories about the case, but someone also falsely identified a suspect, leading to a crowd outside the man's home. Fearing a vigilante mob, he called police, who later publicly declared his innocence.


On Tuesday, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey warned against such behavior even when the culprit is identified.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/27/2010/december/22/philadelphia-police-hunt-suspect-in-3-stranglings.html

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 05:24 AM
Strike 3: DNA confirms another Kensington Strangler attack
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101222_Strike_3__DNA_confirms_another_Kensington _Strangler_attack.html

snip
xxxxx, a resident who participates in town watches, said he doubted he'd abide by officials' plea to call police and not go after the suspect on his own.

"This guy is really sick, and I've got something to tell you: If the police don't get you, the town watch will get you and the neighborhood will get you," he said. "No violence. I will grab you and put you down on the ground and hold you for police."

I x out the guy name. this is not good I hope they get this monster soon before a innocent person is hurt again.

Filly
12-22-2010, 06:43 AM
If generally, since I'm one of the resident experts on hookers in Phila,

Have we met J.J.?:eek:;)

In all seriousness. You mentioned South West. How about West? Off of 52nd? I'm not familiar with that area real well, but ummmmmmm knew a few women that worked out of there.

Plus do you think the "girls" off of 13th to 15th Lombard, Spruce etc?

Nobody is safe. Prayers for those still out there.

We can't forget the girls on Frankford/Kensington Avenue from Church up to Erie.

Filly
12-22-2010, 06:51 AM
I was reading on facebook that they are mentioning the rail line.

T, I haven't looked at the Facebook yet. Trust me my mom told me about it though. In rail line do you mean the El? The Frankfrd El.

This guy better pray the cops find him and not the folks from Kensington. He'll get more than a Kensington sandwich.

JMO, but by now he's disrupted an entire cosmos that works like a well oiled machine. Drugs, tricks, prostitutes, drugs, drugs, drugs. Drugs are big business. They employ alot of people that have no other income. This is how they buy their kids their expensive Christmas toys and their own new clothing. With all the law down there it has to be messing up the flow of things.

I'm mentioning that not with a lack of empathy and sympathy for the women that have been murdered. They'd have said the same I am certain. Poor girls. I can just say though that being dope sick on Christmas can't be pretty. Nor can death at the hand of some monster.

Filly
12-22-2010, 07:10 AM
The residents are anxious, but the police commissioner warns vigilantism won't be tolerated.

Philadelphia police hunt suspect in 3 stranglings

The clamor around the attacks led to the creation of a Facebook page, "Catch the Kensington Strangler, before he catches someone you love."

People have filled the site with comments and theories about the case, but someone also falsely identified a suspect, leading to a crowd outside the man's home. Fearing a vigilante mob, he called police, who later publicly declared his innocence.


On Tuesday, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey warned against such behavior even when the culprit is identified.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/27/2010/december/22/philadelphia-police-hunt-suspect-in-3-stranglings.html






:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Well then they should have locked up the people that beat the living crapolla out of the guy who raped that little girl who was on her way to school.

Unfortunately I can't think of that guys name right now. I'll look it up. They have ironically enough video footage of that to make a short film. A gang of people chasing that creep down and whooping his tail. I also believe they had reward money to find that guy.

So, if someone finds this guy and whoops him and brings him to the cops half alive they're going to arrest them? Hmmmmmmmm.

NOW they have significant reward money. NOW! Poor Elaine was just as dead as these other girls. No reward money. Well, a small amount no doubt friends of her family had to scrape up. Now we're talking $30,000?

bessie
12-22-2010, 11:13 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Well then they should have locked up the people that beat the living crapolla out of the guy who raped that little girl who was on her way to school.

Unfortunately I can't think of that guys name right now. I'll look it up. They have ironically enough video footage of that to make a short film. A gang of people chasing that creep down and whooping his tail. I also believe they had reward money to find that guy.

So, if someone finds this guy and whoops him and brings him to the cops half alive they're going to arrest them? Hmmmmmmmm.

NOW they have significant reward money. NOW! Poor Elaine was just as dead as these other girls. No reward money. Well, a small amount no doubt friends of her family had to scrape up. Now we're talking $30,000?
I know it doesn't seem fair, Filly, but the purpose of the hefty reward isn't to get justice for the victims, not the bulk of it, anyway. After three random murders and at least one attempted murder in a short time span, it's become obvious the guy is a threat to the community at large. So you've got a couple of big businesses tossing in a chunk to aid the community.

As for residents taking matters into their own hands, LE is obliged to issue that statement. The mob mentality feeds on itself, as you know. The last thing your town needs now is rioting in the streets. Now, if the citizens find the right guy and lay a little Be Gone on his azzzzzzzz, I doubt we'd hear a peep out of the Commissioner.

crymesolver
12-22-2010, 12:10 PM
I think people in Kensington should be leery of the friend, relative that tells them "I better shave so no one confuses me with this guy" and then does it. I would expect this guy to make some effort to change his appearance and maybe look to move out side of Kensington, I bet with all the police presence in that neighborhood, you could go 30 blocks and have next to know one around.

Steely Dan
12-22-2010, 12:25 PM
The residents are anxious, but the police commissioner warns vigilantism won't be tolerated.

Philadelphia police hunt suspect in 3 stranglings

The clamor around the attacks led to the creation of a Facebook page, "Catch the Kensington Strangler, before he catches someone you love."

People have filled the site with comments and theories about the case, but someone also falsely identified a suspect, leading to a crowd outside the man's home. Fearing a vigilante mob, he called police, who later publicly declared his innocence.


On Tuesday, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey warned against such behavior even when the culprit is identified.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/27/2010/december/22/philadelphia-police-hunt-suspect-in-3-stranglings.html

This is why it's so important to take anything read on the internet with a grain of salt unless it's from a reputable news source or linked to a reputable news source. That guy could have been killed. He could have been named by someone who has a grudge against him.

I sincerely hope if a citizen captures this guy that they don't kill him. I'd be willing to bet there are more bodies out there and the only way to find out about all of them is if he is willing to tell the police everything.

He may never tell them but if he's dead he'll never have the chance. JMO

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 12:38 PM
Have we met J.J.?:eek:;)


I don't know? :)



In all seriousness. You mentioned South West. How about West? Off of 52nd? I'm not familiar with that area real well, but ummmmmmm knew a few women that worked out of there.


I've never seen any and I have been in that area after dark. It is possible for them to be on a side street.



Plus do you think the "girls" off of 13th to 15th Lombard, Spruce etc?



I have not seen any there since the mid-1990's.

Really, the City cracked down on the more open stuff under Rendell and Street.

There are a few "open air markets," but the prostitutes have become much more discreet in the last decade or so.

Harmony2
12-22-2010, 01:10 PM
Do any locals know what street the red dot is at on this police map? Any guesses as to what it represents? It seems the blue squares are the deceased victims and the yellow triangles are the assaulted victims... Or do I have that wrong?

#3 on the images from this link:

http://www.philly.com/philly/gallery/20101222_Strike_3__DNA_confirms_another_Kensington _Strangler_attack.html

Filly
12-22-2010, 02:46 PM
O.K. this is the 411 from Filly World. Being the recluse that I am minding the mother I miss out on alot. However, Filly has friends. Of course they are not in high places, but rather low. In all fairness they were down and out and rising above it all.

Mind you this is pure speculation. People believe that this guy has something to do with drugs. Duh! Rather recovery. I won't put alot out there, but I think in the begining of the thread I mentioned it.

Elaine was in recovery. I'm not sure about Nicole, but I don't doubt at some point she had tried her very best to overcome addiction. Casey had been trying to get into a rehab. Believe it or not that is no easy feat.

So is this guy someone that had been to meetings? Does he reside in a recovery house? That I think not because somebody would have dimed him out especially now with the reward. Out of all the poor girls out there he murdered girls in the midst of them getting clean. The time when you probably are most vulnerable.

As I said before. All drug addicts are not prostitutes and all prostitutes are not drug addicts.

Whatever is divulged in the rooms is anonymous. Outside at the diner or the coffee house isn't. According to my two friends that is all they are talking about and it's their theory this guy definately has knowledge of who is trying to get clean.

We also have to consider it's all speculation and rumors are crazy within the NA circle often. However, these people know the streets. I'm not saying they are right, but it's worth a thought. I just pray someone wants that loot and turns this guy in.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 02:52 PM
Do any locals know what street the red dot is at on this police map? Any guesses as to what it represents? It seems the blue squares are the deceased victims and the yellow triangles are the assaulted victims... Or do I have that wrong?

#3 on the images from this link:

http://www.philly.com/philly/gallery/20101222_Strike_3__DNA_confirms_another_Kensington _Strangler_attack.html

I love to see that map better:banghead:

Harmony2
12-22-2010, 02:56 PM
I love to see that map better:banghead:

Me too!!! I tried to magnify it but could not read it,,, :banghead:

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 03:12 PM
O.K. this is the 411 from Filly World. Being the recluse that I am minding the mother I miss out on alot. However, Filly has friends. Of course they are not in high places, but rather low. In all fairness they were down and out and rising above it all.

Mind you this is pure speculation. People believe that this guy has something to do with drugs. Duh! Rather recovery. I won't put alot out there, but I think in the begining of the thread I mentioned it.

Elaine was in recovery. I'm not sure about Nicole, but I don't doubt at some point she had tried her very best to overcome addiction. Casey had been trying to get into a rehab. Believe it or not that is no easy feat.

So is this guy someone that had been to meetings? Does he reside in a recovery house? That I think not because somebody would have dimed him out especially now with the reward. Out of all the poor girls out there he murdered girls in the midst of them getting clean. The time when you probably are most vulnerable.

As I said before. All drug addicts are not prostitutes and all prostitutes are not drug addicts.

Whatever is divulged in the rooms is anonymous. Outside at the diner or the coffee house isn't. According to my two friends that is all they are talking about and it's their theory this guy definately has knowledge of who is trying to get clean.

We also have to consider it's all speculation and rumors are crazy within the NA circle often. However, these people know the streets. I'm not saying they are right, but it's worth a thought. I just pray someone wants that loot and turns this guy in.

Hmmm interesting Filly....
I agree with the rehab being hard to get in. In Delaware years ago a friend came to me and ask me to take him to rehab. I did they would not take him because he wasn't high. I had to let him get high and take him back:banghead:

He stalking girls that are trying to clean up:waitasec: so a drug dealer maybe?
or in rehab?

I don't think he has long sideburn or that little thing under his chin anymore.

Filly
12-22-2010, 03:25 PM
Do any locals know what street the red dot is at on this police map? Any guesses as to what it represents? It seems the blue squares are the deceased victims and the yellow triangles are the assaulted victims... Or do I have that wrong?

#3 on the images from this link:

http://www.philly.com/philly/gallery/20101222_Strike_3__DNA_confirms_another_Kensington _Strangler_attack.html

That map is confusing. It's not you, Harmony.

They have a triangle for Allison Edwards who is deceased although they have another POI in her murder.

They have a blue square where Nicole was murdered.

The red dot is right around where Elaine was murdered, but the cops hand is blocking if there's a triangle or square or whatever.

I'm going out on a limb and saying it the Somerset El stop. More rumor is that they were scanning the hands of men when they got on the El. I don't think that's legal.

JMO I think the El plays a big role in all of this. That's a main hub of transportation for us coming from Northeast Philly going way out to Darby.

It is also a lifeline for addicts if they don't have a car. When you have say a heroin addict or crack addict who lives in the "Great" Northeast it's a mere six stops away to get to Somerset. Around four if you want to get off at K&A where you then can walk to closer locations. I'm not 100% sure if it's still that way, but it used to be.

I'm guessing it's Somerset that big red dot. I'm not good with maps though. It may indicate Ruth Street and Hart where poor Elaine was murdered. There's also a Hart Lane. Just figured I'd throw that in for the record. It always amazed me that such a pretty name was given to a street with so much strife.

Filly
12-22-2010, 03:30 PM
Me too!!! I tried to magnify it but could not read it,,, :banghead:



;)Oh Harmony this is Filly. It's never easy.:crazy:

O/T After my dad died we found this really cool picture. Polaroid. It's like five Detectives smooshed in the back of what looks like maybe a bread van. In the background is one of those blackboards you write on with magic marker. The map was from MOVE. All you can see written real big was POWELTOWN (sic) and a crude line going across another street.

Yep, our Police Officers here have to work out of filthy precincts with roaches, rats, mice and in some cases cancer causing agents from old materials. Please pray for them if you pray. No easy job is it for them.

Filly
12-22-2010, 03:38 PM
Hmmm interesting Filly....
I agree with the rehab being hard to get in. In Delaware years ago a friend came to me and ask me to take him to rehab. I did they would not take him because he wasn't high. I had to let him get high and take him back:banghead:

He stalking girls that are trying to clean up:waitasec: so a drug dealer maybe?
or in rehab?

I don't think he has long sideburn or that little thing under his chin anymore.

You're a good soul, tfrohnong to help your friend. I hope he is doing well.

Oh yeah cardinal rule you don't go to rehab straight. Crazy right?

Weird you would say that. For a time Philly was the destination for folks from Delaware to come to for their dope. There's actually a sweet, pretty, talented young girl that died in Philly from an OD who also was getting clean who came from Delaware. Her mom is a huge force. She's helped many people after her DD's demise. Her initials are EA. Her mom has a website. It's so sad how her family was searching for her. Poor kid had a weekend off from rehab and wound up back "down the way". She died in some sick old dudes house. The last her family got to see of her was on a screen at the coroners office.

Yep, no going to rehab clean.:rolleyes: Again I hope your friend is alright. There's some very good rehabs here. Well one in particular. To get in you have to sit and sit and wait and wait. Almost seems like a test. Meanwhile you have a room of jumpy people getting sick and that can lead to no good. Ultimately though it's up to the individual how bad they want it.

Again, you are a good friend and a good person.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 04:02 PM
okay going to throw this out there!

Heads cover with bags....what kind bags?
Face down....
No shirts.... Were the shirts left at the scene?
Attacking from behind? Some say he offering money. But we not heard that from the attack victims.

Just thinking out loud

Filly
12-22-2010, 04:12 PM
okay going to throw this out there!

Heads cover with bags....what kind bags?
Face down....
No shirts.... Were the shirts left at the scene?
Attacking from behind? Some say he offering money. But we not heard that from the attack victims.

Just thinking out loud

T, I think it was they still had tops on, but no bottoms. I have to reread.

The woman that survived the attack if that indeed is him said he asked her if she wanted a date. So, he'd have to have money. Then again we're talking about a lunatic. That woman said "No thanks. My boyfriend is waiting for me". So her sixth sense/gut told her something was wrong. Still he hid in the alley and smacked her over the head with a brick.

For the women to go into weeds, alley, abandoned house with him it would be on the premise he had drugs or money. Walking along with someone on your way to cop drugs is not unusual. Great minds think alike. Going into secluded places with them? No way unless they had something you needed.

I say no way he's a dealer. Other dealers would know. Oh they know. It's their business. A dealer would not call attention in any way to where he works. Example being right now alot of people are losing alot of money beause of the police prescence.

That's a good question about the clothing though. Is he taking anything? Panties, jeans, shoes?

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 06:16 PM
Just a note:

At least while I was working for DPW, you could get up to 9 months of cash benefits for being in rehab.

Steely Dan
12-22-2010, 06:23 PM
T, I think it was they still had tops on, but no bottoms. I have to reread.

The woman that survived the attack if that indeed is him said he asked her if she wanted a date. So, he'd have to have money. Then again we're talking about a lunatic. That woman said "No thanks. My boyfriend is waiting for me". So her sixth sense/gut told her something was wrong. Still he hid in the alley and smacked her over the head with a brick.

For the women to go into weeds, alley, abandoned house with him it would be on the premise he had drugs or money. Walking along with someone on your way to cop drugs is not unusual. Great minds think alike. Going into secluded places with them? No way unless they had something you needed.

I say no way he's a dealer. Other dealers would know. Oh they know. It's their business. A dealer would not call attention in any way to where he works. Example being right now alot of people are losing alot of money beause of the police prescence.

That's a good question about the clothing though. Is he taking anything? Panties, jeans, shoes?

I also think that if another dealer saw a chance to take over another territory there would be an anonymous call to the tip line from him pronto. JMO

If these are girls who are rehabbing I'm thinking maybe a rehab group leader who they'd trust. Just a guess.

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 06:49 PM
I also think that if another dealer saw a chance to take over another territory there would be an anonymous call to the tip line from him pronto. JMO

If these are girls who are rehabbing I'm thinking maybe a rehab group leader who they'd trust. Just a guess.

If the survivor was attacked by the same person, wouldn't she immediately recognize a rehab leader?

trigger
12-22-2010, 08:12 PM
Finally its on JVM.

Filly
12-22-2010, 09:39 PM
Just a note:

At least while I was working for DPW, you could get up to 9 months of cash benefits for being in rehab.



What? (Screamed in the voice of Lil Wayne or Lil John or whoever screams "what"?":D

Filly
12-22-2010, 09:53 PM
I also think that if another dealer saw a chance to take over another territory there would be an anonymous call to the tip line from him pronto. JMO

If these are girls who are rehabbing I'm thinking maybe a rehab group leader who they'd trust. Just a guess.

Good call Steely though I think JJ is right. The women gave the sketch so they didn't know him.

As for the dealers it doesn't work that way. More than one person has a corner. If the guy were a dealer he'd be working with quite a few people. Diming him out wouldn't do anything really. It's more that you keep it semi quiet. I mean it's blatant but you don't want more attention drawn. Example being they aren't going to scream, rant and rave. Maybe pull a TV set out of someone's house to watch a football game so they don't abandon their corner on a Sunday, but it's shifts. There's never just one man.

I'm not condoning it or glorifying it, but it's pretty well orchastrated if ya ask me. There's always someone higher up and if ya went around murdering women you'd have to answer to someone why all the cops are around. They are always around, but there's just so much they can do and not so many of them to do it.

No, I may go on the theory he's been in the rooms. Has been at least. Let's be realistic. Although it's frowned upon to meet someone while trying to get your life back together and to start a relationship alot of those guys have one thing on their mind at that point besides getting clean and that's to hook up.

Sorry for the long posts. Just thinking aloud as well. For all we know he has nothing to do with any of that and visits his mom twice a month in the neighborhood. It's really scarry though if he's targeting only women with trouble with drugs he can just take his butt down toward Frankford which is not far away. Heck, he can go to Torresdale Avenue from Erie all the way up to Cottman. There's concentrations of prostitutes all along there in stretches. However, I think he knows the neighborhood. I think he's lived or worked in Kensington.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 10:16 PM
You're a good soul, tfrohnong to help your friend. I hope he is doing well.

Oh yeah cardinal rule you don't go to rehab straight. Crazy right?

Weird you would say that. For a time Philly was the destination for folks from Delaware to come to for their dope. There's actually a sweet, pretty, talented young girl that died in Philly from an OD who also was getting clean who came from Delaware. Her mom is a huge force. She's helped many people after her DD's demise. Her initials are EA. Her mom has a website. It's so sad how her family was searching for her. Poor kid had a weekend off from rehab and wound up back "down the way". She died in some sick old dudes house. The last her family got to see of her was on a screen at the coroners office.

Yep, no going to rehab clean.:rolleyes: Again I hope your friend is alright. There's some very good rehabs here. Well one in particular. To get in you have to sit and sit and wait and wait. Almost seems like a test. Meanwhile you have a room of jumpy people getting sick and that can lead to no good. Ultimately though it's up to the individual how bad they want it.

Again, you are a good friend and a good person.

OT
Oh Filly I been out Delaware and the Philly area for about 15 years. A lot of the drugs came from Philly and Dc it the big cities everywhere.

It sad because Phildelaphia is great city. I had my oldest dd in Overbrook area and plenty of cousins still there.

We all read about the bad stuff in the cities and forget what beauty they have.

I will always remember the mummer parade. So much fun :)
And there nothing like going to Philly Christmas shopping :)
I grow up In Marcus Hook the men in my family were all Merchant seamen. just a little tid bit:crazy:

Sad to say I have not heard from him in years. You made me think of him when you posted about rehab. I was so upset that I had to sit and watch this guy get high and drunk to safe his self. The really sad thing is he came to me because his wife wouldn't take him. She also was on drugs too...:(

I seen him when he got out and he was getting divorce and fighting for custody of their little girl.

A few years later I ran into him and he had got custody I do pray he still sober today. I don't know what happen to his wife It sad but we moved on and lose touch with people who touch our life.

I left the east behind for a farmer:blushing: another tib bit:crazy:

I praying that this monster is off the streets of Brothley Love before Christmas!!!! :furious:

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 10:23 PM
T, I think it was they still had tops on, but no bottoms. I have to reread.

The woman that survived the attack if that indeed is him said he asked her if she wanted a date. So, he'd have to have money. Then again we're talking about a lunatic. That woman said "No thanks. My boyfriend is waiting for me". So her sixth sense/gut told her something was wrong. Still he hid in the alley and smacked her over the head with a brick.

For the women to go into weeds, alley, abandoned house with him it would be on the premise he had drugs or money. Walking along with someone on your way to cop drugs is not unusual. Great minds think alike. Going into secluded places with them? No way unless they had something you needed.

I say no way he's a dealer. Other dealers would know. Oh they know. It's their business. A dealer would not call attention in any way to where he works. Example being right now alot of people are losing alot of money beause of the police prescence.

That's a good question about the clothing though. Is he taking anything? Panties, jeans, shoes?

good points:blushing: your so right they are losing money big time. Not good for the monster!

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 10:23 PM
What? (Screamed in the voice of Lil Wayne or Lil John or whoever screams "what"?":D

Standard. The idea was that they had 9 months to turn their lives around. Some did.

J. J. in Phila
12-22-2010, 10:54 PM
Finally its on JVM.

What's JVM?

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 11:00 PM
Residents patrol Philadelphia streets over concerns of serial killer
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/22/pennsylvania.strangler.watchgroup/

Steely Dan
12-22-2010, 11:25 PM
What's JVM?

Jane Velez Mitchell. She has a show on CNN.

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 11:34 PM
Police said a third assault victim was pulled into an alley earlier this month. Despite being choked, punched and hit on the head with brick, the 33-year-old woman escaped, and her assailant fled the scene, according to a police report.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/22/pennsylvania.strangler.watchgroup/

a criminal profile expert said yesterday police are likely searching for a blue-collar man in his mid-to-late 20s or early 30s who has rage issues and scopes out his victims


http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/712140


There's nothing to indicate that any of them were wearing jewelry that was kept by the perpetrator," Blackburn said, "but it's an idea that we're not dismissing, either."

Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_


There's nothing to indicate that any of them were wearing jewelry that was kept by the perpetrator," Blackburn said, "but it's an idea that we're not dismissing, either."Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_Cops_try_to_get_into_mind_of_Kensington_S trangler.html#ixzz18txOQly5



All three women were found partially nude in vacant lots, and Piacentini and Mahoney were found positioned face-down.

[LIST]

Earlier in the day, police officials released new surveillance footage of a man who [LIST]
beat and choked a 33-year-old woman in an alley on Sergeant Street near Kensington Avenue early Dec. 6.
The alley was the site of a similar attack Oct. 31.




Darby said the man appeared to walk with a gait favoring his left leg.

Trying to put some facts togther:banghead:

Some of dates are not matching:waitasec:

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 11:39 PM
Expert: Philadelphia Strangler 'Is Not Going to Stop'

snip
My sense is that the composite that is out there is probably pretty good because you have multiple victims," he said. "He looks fairly identifiable, so people who know him really should be stepping up."

that part bother me :banghead:
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/22/expert-philadelphia-strangler-is-not-going-to-stop/

tfrohning
12-22-2010, 11:44 PM
Okay Filly right ::::)

But they say the victims have much in common, white and between the ages of 21 and 35. They were found in vacant lots in the same neighborhood and naked from the waist down I must read that wrong :( about no tops

so where the pants or skirts? were they at the scene ?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/12/19/Is-Philadelphia-killer-posing-victims/UPI-95841292743985/

Mahoney's and Piacentini's bodies were in the same position with plastic bags over their heads, while Goldberg's was not.

J. J. in Phila
12-23-2010, 12:04 AM
Police said a third assault victim was pulled into an alley earlier this month. Despite being choked, punched and hit on the head with brick, the 33-year-old woman escaped, and her assailant fled the scene, according to a police report.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/22/pennsylvania.strangler.watchgroup/

a criminal profile expert said yesterday police are likely searching for a blue-collar man in his mid-to-late 20s or early 30s who has rage issues and scopes out his victims


http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/712140


There's nothing to indicate that any of them were wearing jewelry that was kept by the perpetrator," Blackburn said, "but it's an idea that we're not dismissing, either."

Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_


There's nothing to indicate that any of them were wearing jewelry that was kept by the perpetrator," Blackburn said, "but it's an idea that we're not dismissing, either."Read more: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101218_Cops_try_to_get_into_mind_of_Kensington_S trangler.html#ixzz18txOQly5



All three women were found partially nude in vacant lots, and Piacentini and Mahoney were found positioned face-down.

[LIST]

Earlier in the day, police officials released new surveillance footage of a man who [LIST]
beat and choked a 33-year-old woman in an alley on Sergeant Street near Kensington Avenue early Dec. 6.
The alley was the site of a similar attack Oct. 31.




Darby said the man appeared to walk with a gait favoring his left leg.

Trying to put some facts togther:banghead:

Some of dates are not matching:waitasec:

The three murders are related. Now, are the assaults?

Filly
12-23-2010, 12:06 AM
Okay Filly right ::::)

But they say the victims have much in common, white and between the ages of 21 and 35. They were found in vacant lots in the same neighborhood and naked from the waist down I must read that wrong :( about no tops

so where the pants or skirts? were they at the scene ?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/12/19/Is-Philadelphia-killer-posing-victims/UPI-95841292743985/

Mahoney's and Piacentini's bodies were in the same position with plastic bags over their heads, while Goldberg's was not.

T, that's an excellent question. They're not saying anything about their pants or whatever bottoms they had on.

With the bags maybe after murdering poor Elaine he couldn't look into the faces of his victims? Maybe he figured it would help smother them as he choked them?

He's obviously got rage issues and is taking it out on the wrong dang people.

If there's a reward for $34,000 and nobody turns him in then nobody knows it's him. The sad thing is there was no reward until Elaine's family/friends got $4,000 together. When you have a huge amount of money like is up now someone usually turns somebody in.

On an O/T we just had two more police officers shot by the guy they've been looking for who shot a police officer already. Thankfully they are all safe, but one got shot in the head. There was a reward out for that kid and I say kid because he's 20 years old. He was hiding in his sister's house. Nobody turned him in.

I'll keep looking and reading about the articles of clothing. They may know and aren't revealing that.

Thank you for your concern about your former city. That is greatly appreciated, T!:blowkiss:

Filly
12-23-2010, 12:09 AM
The three murders are related. Now, are the assaults?

J.J., I'd say definately for the woman who was hit in the head with the brick. She gave a description for the second profile sketch. It's basically the same sans the soul patch. That's the video they are using as well.

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 12:19 AM
The three murders are related. Now, are the assaults?

yea! I have some issues with the assaults:banghead:

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 12:28 AM
J.J., I'd say definately for the woman who was hit in the head with the brick. She gave a description for the second profile sketch. It's basically the same sans the soul patch. That's the video they are using as well.

Hmmm that sketch bothers me. :banghead:

What the soul patch mean?

Do a lot guys in philly had the long side burns and that little thing under the chin? is that the soul patch?

Filly
12-23-2010, 12:59 AM
Hmmm that sketch bothers me. :banghead:

What the soul patch mean?

Do a lot guys in philly had the long side burns and that little thing under the chin? is that the soul patch?

That sketch is bothering alot of people, T. I can't tell you how many people have said "That looks like half the guys in my neighborhood". Personally I think they're both good sketches. I'm not sure if they were done on the computer or by hand. We basically have only one artist left that does the sketches by hand and he's fabulous.

The soul patch is in the first sketch. It's sort of a goatee only smaller and up further then the chin. Yes, alot of guys have them. Mostly young guys but I'm old so go figure. What do I know? You're right though it's the thing under his chin.

Long sideburns? Personally on the video it looks like a beard to me. Only from the video though it appears to be a beard the Muslims grow. I do not know the name of it if there is one. However on the sketch originally I thought it looked taped. The young people call it taped.

All that they can do themselves. You don't need a barber to do it, but then again every time I pass the young barber shop by me it's packed and the guys are primping.

This is only me. Again I don't know much about anything, but alot of Latino's have really nice taped sideburns. They originally thought this guy was latino. At least some did. Well, he can be a black Latino. I at first was like "Hello maybe he is Dominican". The cops seem to know though so we'll go with that.

Gotta go tape my boyfriends sideburns and trim up his soul patch. Had to lend just a sliver of humor here because this is too disturbing.

Harmony2
12-23-2010, 01:25 AM
Philadelphia Police Department wanted poster:

http://www.phillypolice.com/news/suspect-wanted-for-aggravated-assault-in-kensington

J. J. in Phila
12-23-2010, 01:28 AM
J.J., I'd say definately for the woman who was hit in the head with the brick. She gave a description for the second profile sketch. It's basically the same sans the soul patch. That's the video they are using as well.

I'm just asking. I was wondering if there was any DNA matching. It obviously fits geographically.

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 01:52 AM
I'm just asking. I was wondering if there was any DNA matching. It obviously fits geographically.

the assults they said that the victims waiting to long to come in:waitasec:

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 01:56 AM
Philadelphia Police Department wanted poster:

http://www.phillypolice.com/news/suspect-wanted-for-aggravated-assault-in-kensington

I see what filly saying about the beard. I like to see the sketch from a side view:waitasec:

Filly
12-23-2010, 01:58 AM
......And in the midst of all this Heather Barton who is running the Facebook page in hopes someone will get the strangler before he gets someone we love is being threatened.



http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2010/12/22/administrator-of-kensington-strangler-facebook-page-threatened/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=administrator-of-kensington-strangler-facebook-page-threatened

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 02:04 AM
......And in the midst of all this Heather Barton who is running the Facebook page in hopes someone will get the strangler before he gets someone we love is being threatened.



http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2010/12/22/administrator-of-kensington-strangler-facebook-page-threatened/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=administrator-of-kensington-strangler-facebook-page-threatened

oh no:furious: I been trying to keep up with page on facebook!

Filly
12-23-2010, 02:05 AM
I see what filly saying about the beard. I like to see the sketch from a side view:waitasec:

Hold on I'll call Special Victims.;) I know what you mean though, T.

In all honesty I just walked to pick my DD up from work. Three. Count them three guys with dark coats and gray hoodies. It's freezing out. Mind you I should know better than to wear a white coat with a huge white feux fur hood. I should wear my dad's old flak jacket cause they say stuff to ya. I just carry on as usual and anybody comes too close will be going to the hospital. I've always gone on the assumption better safe than dead. Still we can't be cowering in fear at all gray hoodies.

Filly
12-23-2010, 02:14 AM
oh no:furious: I been trying to keep up with page on facebook!

How crazy is that? Plus Philly Weekly has to fill us in. That's a small paper. Usually commited to picking on Pugs and the back pages are full of advertising for "spas". Admittedly I still enjoy PW.

Although this is taking away from what is important I have to say it. Vigilanties. Our Police Commish and Mayor are all flustered and giving warnings this will not be tolerated. Well, it was allowed when a gang of people beat the c*ap out of a child rapist before handing him over to the cops. Nobody got arrested and a reward was given. That was also in Kensington.

Trust me I was maybe the first person that said "Great he needs his a*s beat down". I do believe if it happened anywhere else in the city a bunch of folks would have gotten locked up as opposed to being heroic. So now the brass is relaying people will be arrested for retailiating? :waitasec:

Now on to the more important matter at hand. Our poor sisters who have been murdered. Their families who have to spend a holiday without the ones they love. I can't even fathom how awful it has to be for them.

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 02:19 AM
I wish Heather would not had use her last name. plus I seen her on the news too. scare for her! to bad somebody trying to helpput her self in danger ::::(

J. J. in Phila
12-23-2010, 02:19 AM
Still we can't be cowering in fear at all gray hoodies.

Especially since that's what I was wearing yesterday. :)

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 02:23 AM
Why women still walk the streets despite cold and Kensington strangler
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/component/flexicontent/item/9756-22lfcourt

tfrohning
12-23-2010, 02:37 AM
How crazy is that? Plus Philly Weekly has to fill us in. That's a small paper. Usually commited to picking on Pugs and the back pages are full of advertising for "spas". Admittedly I still enjoy PW.

Although this is taking away from what is important I have to say it. Vigilanties. Our Police Commish and Mayor are all flustered and giving warnings this will not be tolerated. Well, it was allowed when a gang of people beat the c*ap out of a child rapist before handing him over to the cops. Nobody got arrested and a reward was given. That was also in Kensington.

Trust me I was maybe the first person that said "Great he needs his a*s beat down". I do believe if it happened anywhere else in the city a bunch of folks would have gotten locked up as opposed to being heroic. So now the brass is relaying people will be arrested for retailiating? :waitasec:

Now on to the more important matter at hand. Our poor sisters who have been murdered. Their families who have to spend a holiday without the ones they love. I can't even fathom how awful it has to be for them.

I think the people take him down! just like the night stalker in LA!

Filly
12-23-2010, 04:33 AM
Especially since that's what I was wearing yesterday. :)

Lucky you didn't pass me while I had my cowabunga stick.:crazy:

Filly
12-23-2010, 04:37 AM
I think the people take him down! just like the night stalker in LA!

Oh they'll surely want to. The people in that neighborhood have taken down a few creepers. Nobody got arrested. Now that the Mayor and Police Commish gave them a warning I am so very sure they'll follow orders.:innocent:I'm being sarcastic.

That reward is pretty plush. Maybe that will sway them if they do find him.

Filly
12-23-2010, 04:51 AM
Why women still walk the streets despite cold and Kensington strangler
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/component/flexicontent/item/9756-22lfcourt


Project Dawn Court. What a wonderful, rewarding program. I didn't know anything about it. Two women scheduled to graduate after being clean a year. That is huge.

Thanks for posting that T!

It's such a taboo thing out there. Women can actually meet other women out there and you chat and sometimes out of their mouths one will say "Well I don't **** ****". It's kind of like "Well neither do I, and I didn't ask ya, and it didn't occur to me to bring it up so you must"

It's a sad, ugly world. Most infuriating to me anyway and I have heard it numeroud times. You get a male that is an addict. He's getting it together. He speaks at a meeting or rehab and BAM out of his mouth you hear what a lousey junkie w*ore his wife is or his child's mother. Mind you this is an addict and youhear "Well she's someone's mother and that ain't right". :furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Well you're someone's father and you're doing the exact same thing so that ain't right either.

Sorry that's something gets me ticked obviously. Not to mention there's men out there as well. Then you get the whole gay vs straight thing. Just because a man has sex with another man don't make him gay when he's doing it to feed a habit. It is totally unbelievable the depravity out there. I am not giving any addict a free pass, butit always got me that some Mr. Everyday Joe is on his way to work picking up a prostitute and he's blameless and she's some scum. Meanwhile he goes home at nightto the Mrs. and the two kids.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As always prayers and positive love and light to whoever is out there tonight in this freezing cold and danger.

J. J. in Phila
12-23-2010, 10:42 AM
One on how seriel killers generally make mistakes:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101223_Experts__Big_blunder_usually_serial_kille rs__fatal_flaw.html

J. J. in Phila
12-23-2010, 12:17 PM
I had to drop off a fruit basket and pick up dry cleaning, and it took me about a block from Flora Street. I didn't see any open prostitution.

Three blocks south of that was pretty active in past years.

tfrohning
12-24-2010, 12:49 AM
Interesting link here I found from philly police site
http://www.phillypolice.com/surveillance-videos/v/9OhRKAQujMY

fran
12-24-2010, 01:13 PM
I haven't found any progress on this case. Hopefully, LE is working feverishly behind the scenes. With the press the surveilance video got, someone has to know this guy.

JMHO
fran

PS....I hope that, like one article said, he doesn't move his operation to an outlying area. It could take forever to link the crimes if he did. :(

Steely Dan
12-24-2010, 03:59 PM
One on how seriel killers generally make mistakes:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20101223_Experts__Big_blunder_usually_serial_kille rs__fatal_flaw.html

That story reminds me of Jaycee Duggard's in a way.


I've lived in Rochester during the Arthur Shawcross murders.

At that time I lived two blocks down the street from where he did. One of my best friends lived just a few yards away from Shawcross' building. On the corner of Monroe and Alexander is a Dunkin Donuts that Shawcross used to frequent and ask the cops about any breaks in the serial killer case. :eek:

From what I remember they said the killer will keep a close watch on the media reports. So to test this they released information that bodies found in water were harder to link through forensic evidence and sure enough the next body was found in the water. The cops also felt he would return to look at his victims.

Link (http://www.truelifecrimes.com/arthur_shawcross.html)

Arthur Shawcross was caught in 1990 when police intentionally left the body of this final victim where they found it with the idea that a criminal will always return the scene of the crime. The police were right and serial killer Arthur Shawcross we caught when he was spotted masturbating in his car that was parked on a bridge over the creek where his victim's body was floating. He was arrested and eventually confessed.



Hopefully this guy will screw up soon.

Steely Dan
12-24-2010, 04:09 PM
This is a documentary about AS;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fptO5Qx9GuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eUtReDQLWQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VNo84v1gac&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hY813pJXmI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvG1yc7b-Y

J. J. in Phila
12-24-2010, 04:20 PM
First, a Merry Christmas to everyone celebrating it.


That story reminds me of Jaycee Duggard's in a way.


I've lived in Rochester during the Arthur Shawcross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Shawcross) murders.

At that time I lived two blocks down the street from where he did. One of my best friends lived just a few yards away from Shawcross' building. On the corner of Monroe and Alexander is a Dunkin Donuts that Shawcross used to frequent and ask the cops about any breaks in the serial killer case. :eek:

From what I remember they said the killer will keep a close watch on the media reports. So to test this they released information that bodies found in water were harder to link through forensic evidence and sure enough the next body was found in the water. The cops also felt he would return to look at his victims.


Maybe it's a hunch, maybe it's the neighborhood, but I don't think this guy is bright. He's targeting a rather specific neighborhood so far (except Flora Street). Four of the attacks were in a two block radius.

If I'm a predator, I may "hunt" in the same territory. If I'm the prey, I'm going to move to another area. The strangler is now both predator and prey. He's staying put, so far.

I'm also not convinced he's looking at the media, for the same reason.

Texas Mist
12-24-2010, 05:51 PM
The victim was lying face down when she was found Friday afternoon around 3:30 inside a building on the 2800 block of C Street, sources told NBCPhiladelphia.com. :(

more here - but no word yet if she is a vic of the SK.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Woman-Found-Dead-Kensington-112437984.html

J. J. in Phila
12-24-2010, 06:11 PM
The victim was lying face down when she was found Friday afternoon around 3:30 inside a building on the 2800 block of C Street, sources told NBCPhiladelphia.com. :(

more here - but no word yet if she is a vic of the SK.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Woman-Found-Dead-Kensington-112437984.html

If it is KS:

A. It is inside, not outside, which makes a changed MO.

B. Totally destroys my bimonthly theory. It won't be the first time.

It is almost midpoint between the attacks of 11/3 and 12/15.

Texas Mist
12-24-2010, 06:28 PM
If it is KS:

A. It is inside, not outside, which makes a changed MO.

B. Totally destroys my bimonthly theory. It won't be the first time.

It is almost midpoint between the attacks of 11/3 and 12/15.


this article says the body just found is only four blocks away from where Elaine was found...what was the weather like recently - rainy? snowy?

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/woman-found-dead-in-kensington-building

J. J. in Phila
12-24-2010, 06:46 PM
this article says the body just found is only four blocks away from where Elaine was found...what was the weather like recently - rainy? snowy?

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/woman-found-dead-in-kensington-building

Cold, but no rain or snow over the last four days.

The site is less than 0.4 miles from the 12/15 attack, and less than 400 yards from the 11/3 attack.

(Of course, it could be an overdose or natural causes.)

tfrohning
12-24-2010, 10:29 PM
My DD was reading my notes and she hooked on this case now,

She did had a good theory looking at the map of the streets.

She pointed out the bus stops. She thinks he could be riding the buses and after he attack get back on bus. It theory what do you guys thinks:waitasec:

tfrohning
12-24-2010, 10:37 PM
The victim was lying face down when she was found Friday afternoon around 3:30 inside a building on the 2800 block of C Street, sources told NBCPhiladelphia.com. :(

more here - but no word yet if she is a vic of the SK.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Woman-Found-Dead-Kensington-112437984.html

so she was found today could been murder on the 23rd:waitasec:

that one report said they seen two men go in with her....so not sure if SK

Filly
12-24-2010, 11:35 PM
Well this time they have a witness. The owner of the house. Larry Hollman should be able to give a description of the unknown guy he permitted in his home with the young woman.

This isn't an "official" rooming house. I know exactly where this is. I don't know the owner of course, but it's one of these deals where an older guy who has no heat or water lets you go in and "maybe" cook up. One guy lets the girl out and another guy. They stay the night. The guy leaves the next morning saying the girl is still sleeping.

It most definately could be an overdose.

T, your DD's idea of the bus stops. The El would be easier. Those buses are a PITA. Stopping every light or to pick up passengers. It's a real trip getting on one of those. That 3 or 5 or 60 are real treats. The only worse bus in the city is the "C". I rather walk a hundred miles than get that thing.

Prayers for this poor young woman.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20101224_Another_dead_woman_found_in_Kensington.ht ml

Missizzy
12-25-2010, 03:27 AM
No comments about this woman's body being posed or staged? But she was young and white.

Oh, her poor family. To get this news on the holidays.

tfrohning
12-25-2010, 08:50 AM
Well this time they have a witness. The owner of the house. Larry Hollman should be able to give a description of the unknown guy he permitted in his home with the young woman.

This isn't an "official" rooming house. I know exactly where this is. I don't know the owner of course, but it's one of these deals where an older guy who has no heat or water lets you go in and "maybe" cook up. One guy lets the girl out and another guy. They stay the night. The guy leaves the next morning saying the girl is still sleeping.

It most definately could be an overdose.

T, your DD's idea of the bus stops. The El would be easier. Those buses are a PITA. Stopping every light or to pick up passengers. It's a real trip getting on one of those. That 3 or 5 or 60 are real treats. The only worse bus in the city is the "C". I rather walk a hundred miles than get that thing.

Prayers for this poor young woman.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20101224_Another_dead_woman_found_in_Kensington.ht ml

OT Merry Christmas ♥

J.J and Filly I found my self worrying about you two knowing that your so close to area. Please be careful ♥

Now a rant from Filly link.:banghead:

The photo of them carrying out that poor girl in body bag was awful.:furious:
How awful for the family to have that lasting memory of love one.:banghead:

I would perfer not to seen that. Could they not had put her on strecher:banghead:

The paper could left that photo out for respect of the family. IMO

That poor guy Larry :( I don't think that the Sk would be that dumb but who knows... I do agree with another post that he not to smart. Even if he not watching the media or reading papers. He should know the run down just from talk on the streets.

Could SK be this bold ? Could the car that drop them off be a GA?

J. J. in Phila
12-25-2010, 10:43 AM
OT Merry Christmas ♥

J.J and Filly I found my self worrying about you two knowing that your so close to area. Please be careful ♥


A Merry Christmas to all celebrating it.

I won't speak for Filly, but I'm both male and more than a decade older than the oldest victim. I also don't frequent vacant lots. :)



Now a rant from Filly link.:banghead:

The photo of them carrying out that poor girl in body bag was awful.:furious:
How awful for the family to have that lasting memory of love one.:banghead:

I would perfer not to seen that. Could they not had put her on strecher:banghead:


Some of the houses are too narrow for a stretcher, especially upstairs. Being a bit insensitive, that might have the only way to get the body out.






Could SK be this bold ? Could the car that drop them off be a GA?

Bold, no. Moronic, yes. If this was him, he just changed his MO in terms of location and frequency. Not good.

What is a "GA?"

tfrohning
12-25-2010, 02:58 PM
A Merry Christmas to all celebrating it.

I won't speak for Filly, but I'm both male and more than a decade older than the oldest victim. I also don't frequent vacant lots. :)



Some of the houses are too narrow for a stretcher, especially upstairs. Being a bit insensitive, that might have the only way to get the body out.





Bold, no. Moronic, yes. If this was him, he just changed his MO in terms of location and frequency. Not good.

What is a "GA?"

Guradian Angel :) Glad to know your safe :)

Filly
12-25-2010, 06:12 PM
Guradian Angel :) Glad to know your safe :)


You're our GA, T! Thank you for your kindness and concern. It means alot.:blowkiss:

Meanwhile we've established that JJ is not a chick and is a heck of alot younger than me. Thankfully neither of us have to be in vacant, weeded lots today.

Prayers for the family of all the young women that have been murdered by this man and all the women and men that are still suffering and out there tonight.

Missizzy
12-26-2010, 12:03 AM
Here's what I don't understand. When Casey's body was found at around 5 pm on Dec. 15th, the autopsy reports were completed in time for the presser on the following afternoon. Why haven't we heard about the autopsy reports about this newest death, which was reported around 3:30 pm Friday, December 24th? I know it's the holidays but there's a coroner on call at all times, isn't there? This is of the highest importance, IMO, in Philadelphia.

Any local word yet?

J. J. in Phila
12-26-2010, 12:08 AM
Here's what I don't understand. When Casey's body was found at around 5 pm on Dec. 15th, the autopsy reports were completed in time for the presser on the following afternoon. Why haven't we heard about the autopsy reports about this newest death, which was reported around 3:30 pm Friday, December 24th? I know it's the holidays but there's a coroner on call at all times, isn't there? This is of the highest importance, IMO, in Philadelphia.

Any local word yet?


They can be slow. My father died in a hospital, after a long illness, but it took several days to have the paperwork completed. Almost delayed the service.

tfrohning
12-26-2010, 12:43 AM
I would hope they be on top of this one....

Missizzy
12-26-2010, 12:53 AM
I fully understand that they can be slow but their speed with the results of Casey's autopsy proved to me that they could do a fast turn-around, if the pressure is on. Let's hope we get some results quickly so we know if this is the work of the same monster.

My prayers to that young woman's family.

Snackcakes66
12-26-2010, 01:01 AM
T, your DD's idea of the bus stops. The El would be easier. Those buses are a PITA. Stopping every light or to pick up passengers. It's a real trip getting on one of those. That 3 or 5 or 60 are real treats. The only worse bus in the city is the "C". I rather walk a hundred miles than get that thing.

Prayers for this poor young woman.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20101224_Another_dead_woman_found_in_Kensington.ht ml

respectfully snipped Filly :) The El is much easier and alot faster, that has been my thought from early on, some attacks near Huntingdon El station, couple near Somerset, the next one up. OT, wish me luck, I'm not driving in the snow tomorrow, hoping the 60 runs OK.

J. J. in Phila
12-26-2010, 01:06 AM
10-20 inches of snow predicted for Philadelphia tomorrow. That will delay the investigation and hopefully make it harder for KS.

Filly
12-26-2010, 03:06 AM
respectfully snipped Filly :) The El is much easier and alot faster, that has been my thought from early on, some attacks near Huntingdon El station, couple near Somerset, the next one up. OT, wish me luck, I'm not driving in the snow tomorrow, hoping the 60 runs OK.

Good luck babes. O/T but is that 60 still one of those accordian buses that give off fumes inside the bus? Years ago I was on the 3 bus going into Bridge-Pratt and this little boy saw one of those and goes "Momma I see a train bus". Cutest thing. The mom snaps "Ain't no such thing as a train bus".

Stay safe, Snacks. I think it will run alright.;) Horrible to ask when people are worrying who this poor young lady was, but did you have Stock's today?:) I missed mine.

Filly
12-26-2010, 03:13 AM
I fully understand that they can be slow but their speed with the results of Casey's autopsy proved to me that they could do a fast turn-around, if the pressure is on. Let's hope we get some results quickly so we know if this is the work of the same monster.

My prayers to that young woman's family.

Woman you should move here. We're a demanding bunch. I'm thinking they're waiting to find next of kin. Could it be?

I have a friend with a sister out there. Ex in laws once removed with a young girl out there. I can't even imagine. I can't. No word and these poor people are all holding their breath. If drugs are involved there's seldom ID on the person. If there's never been an arrest there's a big problem IDing someone.

My question is doesn't the guy who owned the house have some kind of idea perhaps who at least one of the people were using his upstairs? Even a hint? A first name even? Maybe?

Oh no doubt the kid shooting at the cops last night didn't help all this.

Filly
12-26-2010, 03:19 AM
10-20 inches of snow predicted for Philadelphia tomorrow. That will delay the investigation and hopefully make it harder for KS.



:doh:Just what we need, J.J.

IMO it could make it easier for the KS. I've seen addicts shovel snow like nobodies business. No public transportation? They'll walk or take one of those crazy gypsy cabs. Hoping with all the police prescence though the dealers won't be out. Otherwise it's business as usual. Just a little more desperation. Plus the neighborhood kids can pelt the addicts with ice balls. Always a fun sport.:(:(:( More use for gray hoodies!:eek: