Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #4 [Archive]

wfgodot

11-21-2011, 10:15 AM

Please continue discussion here on the Penn State / Sandusky / Second Mile case.

Links of interest:

Thread #1

Thread #2

Thread #3

Timeline: Sandusky's double life - in public, a saint; in private, an alleged monster (http://citizensvoice.com/news/timeline-sandusky-s-double-life-in-public-a-saint-in-private-an-alleged-monster-1.1234866#axzz1eHXtpyUN) (citizensvoice.com)

Grand jury presentment (http://www.wgal.com/pdf/29737452/detail.html) (.pdf)

Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995 (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html) (pennlive.com)

Also of interest: the case involving the disappearance
of former Centre County DA Ray Gricar is here:

PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #7

wfgodot

11-21-2011, 10:45 AM

Penn State names former FBI director Louis Freeh to investigate sex abuse scandal (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_names_former_fbi_di.html) (pennlive.com)
PHILADELPHIA -- Penn State University has named former FBI director Louis Freeh as part of investigative panel examining sex abuse scandal.

Freeh served as FBI director from September 1993 to June 2001.

The special Penn State investigative committee formed in the wake of child sex abuse allegations against former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky announced Freeh's position on the panel at a press conference in Philadelphia this morning.
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a bit more at link above

Freeh appears not to have attended Penn State (he's a Rutgers man) so perhaps this is a step in the right direction.

Louis Freeh (http://bit.ly/uKq2LS) (Wiki)

waltzingmatilda

11-21-2011, 11:09 AM

Bringing over a few links from the last three pages of thread #3.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/timeline-sandusky-s-double-life-in-public-a-saint-in-private-an-alleged-monster-1.1234866#axzz1eHXtpyUN

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/penn-state-faculty-wants-independent-investigation-of-how-university-handled-abuse-allegations/2011/11/18/gIQAMlfFZN_story.html

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/post_289.html

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/11/19/1885962/penn-state-scandal-were-there.html#ixzz1eJ9wAHMG

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/11/21/sandusky-days-with-boston-university-football-team-recalled/G8jOiRdwov58EE35zq4TqL/story.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-10/jerry-sandusky-investigation-victim-1-cover/51160950/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=1mukrki1x6btm

ThoughtFox

11-21-2011, 11:40 AM

Here's one I posted overnight on the other thread. It just burns me up that this man was living so close to a school in a neighborhood full of children. This article mentions the schoolbus stop was near his house!!! :furious:

An aerial map of the neighborhood went viral last week when people realized Sandusky’s backyard was adjacent to a playground and within walking distance from an elementary school.

(snip)

Sandusky being free has caused his neighbors to feel like they are the ones locked up in a jail.

“You would think the chain of command of people going into hiding might be the reverse of what we’re seeing,” Thompson said. “The person who’s been accused is Jerry Sandusky. The ground zero of this story is Jerry Sandusky, so that does seem very strange.”

And in a quiet neighborhood, where most of the residents are elderly and there are seldom antics, the last 16 days have been difficult.

“He’s been out and about,” Strauss said. “I can’t get away from it. That’s the hardest part. We walk across that lawn to get to the [school] bus.”

More at Link

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/post_289.html

wfgodot

11-21-2011, 11:50 AM

Bringing over a few links from the last three pages of thread #3.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/timeline-sandusky-s-double-life-in-public-a-saint-in-private-an-alleged-monster-1.1234866#axzz1eHXtpyUN Timeline

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/penn-state-faculty-wants-independent-investigation-of-how-university-handled-abuse-allegations/2011/11/18/gIQAMlfFZN_story.html PSU faculty wants independent investigation

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/post_289.html Case "hard to handle" for Sandusky neighbors

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html Alleged victim bullied, leaves school

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/11/19/1885962/penn-state-scandal-were-there.html#ixzz1eJ9wAHMG Were there clues in Sandusky's past?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/11/21/sandusky-days-with-boston-university-football-team-recalled/G8jOiRdwov58EE35zq4TqL/story.html Sandusky's days at Boston University

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-10/jerry-sandusky-investigation-victim-1-cover/51160950/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=1mukrki1x6btm 'Victim 1' triggered investigation

Here's a Cliff's Notes for the links.

Emeralgem

11-21-2011, 12:23 PM

Here's one I posted overnight on the other thread. It just burns me up that this man was living so close to a school in a neighborhood full of children. This article mentions the schoolbus stop was near his house!!! :furious:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/post_289.html

ThoughtFox.. He still IS....JMHO

ThoughtFox

11-21-2011, 12:52 PM

ThoughtFox.. He still IS....JMHO

Thank you, Emerald! You're right ~ he's still there! Wishful thinking on my part that he would be gone, and hopefully he will be gone soon.

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 01:09 PM

Sandusky, like other fixated pedophiles, spent his entire life from puberty forward convincing others that he was not a pervert, but rather, a wonderful man who loved to help children. That is why he (and other pedos) join organizations and enter careers that are viewed by other adults as helping children. Their career or volunteer position gives them access to children and equally important, it gives them protection against suspicion. Few adults want to feel suspicion about that "great guy" who donates so much of his time/money to help children.

If you will recall the horror of the Boy Scout scandal and the pedophile priests scandal, most of the parents couldn’t imagine that their son’s Boy Scout leader or priest was a pedophile because he was such a "great guy". They (the parents) didn’t experience sexual attraction to children and therefore, they couldn’t imagine "that great guy" would have these disturbing desires. They also had no knowledge base about pedophiles to make them suspicious of "that great guy" because pedophilia is (blessedly) a rare disorder. (Up until the 1950s, pedophilia wasn’t even discussed as a disorder among American psychiatrists. Pedophilia only became a household word in the USA a little over a decade ago.) These parents were duped by the scamming pedophiles and the same will eventually be found with most of the board members at Second Mile (but absolutely NOT the practicing psychologist, Raykovitz, who had the knowledge to recognize a pedophile's behavioral patterns). Sandusky was also a professional adult scammer in addition to being a pedophile.

Pedophiles do not usually seek help voluntarily to stop their behaviors. Instead, they use their previous experiences to become more adept at grooming victims and scamming adults who would block their access to children.

Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 01:12 PM

ThoughtFox.. He still IS....JMHO
IIRC, in the article that I posted last night which discussed how Sandusky moved his parents from Washington County, Pa to State College, he also moved his elderly parents right behind an elementary school. (They are now deceased.)

Emeralgem

11-21-2011, 01:24 PM

I was hoping the new judge assigned to the case would have moved up his court date by now..IMHO.. He shouldn't be allowed the freedom to roam the streets or take a vacation before his court date on December 7th..JMHO

lisalei321

11-21-2011, 01:26 PM

Pensfan...this has to be hard for you :grouphug:

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HMSHood

11-21-2011, 01:38 PM

Sandusky, like other fixated pedophiles, spent his entire life from puberty forward convincing others that he was not a pervert, but rather, a wonderful man who loved to help children. That is why he (and other pedos) join organizations and enter careers that are viewed by other adults as helping children. Their career or volunteer position gives them access to children and equally important, it gives them protection against suspicion. Few adults want to feel suspicion about that "great guy" who donates so much of his time/money to help children.

If you will recall the horror of the Boy Scout scandal and the pedophile priests scandal, most of the parents couldn’t imagine that their son’s Boy Scout leader or priest was a pedophile because he was such a "great guy". They (the parents) didn’t experience sexual attraction to children and therefore, they couldn’t imagine "that great guy" would have these disturbing desires. They also had no knowledge base about pedophiles to make them suspicious of "that great guy" because pedophilia is (blessedly) a rare disorder. (Up until the 1950s, pedophilia wasn’t even discussed as a disorder among American psychiatrists. Pedophilia only became a household word in the USA a little over a decade ago.) These parents were duped by the scamming pedophiles and the same will eventually be found with most of the board members at Second Mile (but absolutely NOT the practicing psychologist, Raykovitz, who had the knowledge to recognize a pedophile's behavioral patterns). Sandusky was also a professional adult scammer in addition to being a pedophile.

Pedophiles do not usually seek help voluntarily to stop their behaviors. Instead, they use their previous experiences to become more adept at grooming victims and scamming adults who would block their access to children.

Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

In a way, you can say that pedophiles are con artists because they use deception, ala Bernie Madoff. The sad fact is that they like to think they are virtuous and religious in nature.

Looks like at this point, Jerry Sandusky is the most hated person along side with Casey Anthony, Osama bin Laden, Fred Phelps, and Lori Drew. In the end, Sandusky is just like them.

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 02:01 PM

In 2010, the Boy Scouts implemented Youth Protection in Scouting. This program is mandated every two years. The parents, boy scouts, and leaders are required to be educated about pedophiles, follow the directives, and a criminal records check occurs on all adult volunteers.
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx

The Catholic Church instituted a similar program. By 2008, the U.S. church had "trained 5.8 million children to recognize and report abuse. It had run criminal checks on 1.53 million volunteers and employees, 162,700 educators, 51,000 clerics and 4,955 candidates for ordination. It had trained 1.8 million clergy, employees and volunteers in creating a safe environment for children."
Catholic sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases)

I was required to attend this program and get a criminal background check to become a volunteer for my kids' Catholic school over a decade ago. At this time, the Catholic Church's anti-pedophile program was about 4 hours long and was brutally honest about pedophiles. The youth also attend programs related to "safe touch" and reporting inappropriate adult behavior.

Organizations that work with children must implement similar programs. Educating as many as possible is the only effective method to expose pedophiles and block pedophiles from gaining access to children.

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 02:15 PM

Pensfan...this has to be hard for you :grouphug:

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Thank you for the hug. :)

Pensfan = Pittsburgh Penguins hockey fan (Pens is a nickname lovingly used for the Penguins not Penn State. BTW SIDNEY CROSBY RETURNS TONIGHT!
He had two terrible concussions and it was unknown if he was going to recover for a long time. It is a happy day that he is not only going to be ok, but he can continue his lifelong desire to play hockey.

Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 02:58 PM

Meanwhile, Penn State police have referred a report of an indecent assault at an outdoor swimming pool building to the attorney general’s office.

A police log noted the report referred to an incident that occurred sometime between June 1, 2000, and Aug. 30, 2000. The report was made to campus police Wednesday and was noted on Thursday’s police log.

When asked if the report was related to allegations against Sandusky, Penn State Police Chief Tyrone Parham said Monday: “We can never describe anything related to a victim or suspect.”

State open records laws do not require Penn State to release the full police report. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/penn-state-university-police-refer-another-indecent-assault-to-attorney-generals-office/2011/11/20/gIQAVb91fN_story_1.html Can't even tell a suspects name? Of course you could if you wanted to protect the students. But you chose not to.

ThoughtFox

11-21-2011, 03:03 PM

I was required to attend this program and get a criminal background check to become a volunteer for my kids' Catholic school over a decade ago. At this time, the Catholic Church's anti-pedophile program was about 4 hours long and was brutally honest about pedophiles. The youth also attend programs related to "safe touch" and reporting inappropriate adult behavior.

Organizations that work with children must implement similar programs. Educating as many as possible is the only effective method to expose pedophiles and block pedophiles from gaining access to children.

My kids had lectures about appropriate and inappropriate touching even in Kindergarten in our public schools. I thought that had become the norm in most of the country, which is why I am still surprised that so many people never even suspected Sandusky.

I read some of his book last night on Amazon. He can barely go a paragraph without mentioning his love of boys, and even when he praises adults it is almost always because they interact with boys. You would almost think that girls didn't exist in his world, and there is nearly nothing about his wife or daughter from what I saw.

Also, he writes about boys he didn't like or who did things that made him angry in a very vague way. In hindsight that might be some kind of payback for people who wouldn't cooperate with him.

Quiche

11-21-2011, 03:29 PM

I think societal awareness needs to reach back to adults, as well as educating the children. The failure here was in Sandusky's peers, who all worked, directly or indirectly, with children or for the benefit of children.

We live in an era of enlightenment, and hopefully as we all march toward the future our tendency to trust and proffer polite benefits of doubt will give way to active deterrence. As with all evil, it doesn't thrive in the light. moo

moo

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 03:47 PM

I hope the former FBI director hired by Penn State to investigate brings in a large team just to investigate Dr. Raykovitz, the practicing child psychologist and CEO of Second Mile for 28 years. What made this practicing child psychologist not suspect his friend Sandusky of being a pedophile?

"Dr. Raykovitz is a licensed psychologist and certified school psychologist. He received his Ph.D. in school psychology from the Pennsylvania State University in 1985. As President and CEO of The Second Mile, Dr. Raykovitz oversees the operations of a state-wide non-profit community organization devoted to serving at-risk children and youth. Dr. Raykovitz maintained a part-time private practice at XXXXXX, providing individual and family therapy to children, adolescents, and parents. His specialties included adolescent development and school adjustment issues."
http://www.midstep.com/raykovitz/

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 04:10 PM

Botox has been found in the brain cells of laboratory mice given such injections. Will sixty-year-old Dr. Jack Raykovitz be the first to use “Botox impaired” as a legal defense?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/14/article-2061412-0ECC8E3200000578-477_306x319.jpg
http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2011/11/14/20111114-181339-pic-764730790_s149x200.jpg?dfb9a7efa3488de6635e304f44e 346dc638a7a3f

Concerned Papa

11-21-2011, 04:48 PM

I have no idea how many of The Second Mile’s officials and board members knew about this animal, but I can see no way that there wasn’t wide spread awareness of his actions within that organization.

In 1998, as counsel to Penn State and Second Mile, Wendell Courtney had a fiduciary responsibility not only to inform both organizations about the allegations, but also to ensure high-ranking officials and board members of their rights, responsibilities and liability exposure. If Second Mile's claim is to be believed –– that they were not aware that Sandusky may have been sexually inappropriate with children until 2008 –– then we have to assume that Wendell Courtney completely abandoned his legal and ethical responsibilities as an attorney.
It makes far more sense to believe that they all knew more than they have admitted.

Maybe the answer to some of this craziness can be found in the money trail between Penn State and Second Mile. An awful lot of cash went back and forth during the time that children were reported to be victimized and nobody was making reports to outside law enforcement officials.

http://www.tauntongazette.com/archive/x2075764468/Wendy-J-Murphy-What-did-Second-Mile-know-and-when#ixzz1eNRf0JwX

The interim chief executive of TSM, David Woodle, certainly wasn’t a fountain of information, recently, when asked about TSM’s knowledge and response regarding Sandusky’s acts:

Woodle declined to answer questions about what, if anything, was done................

Nor would he say if the charity took steps to limit or monitor Sandusky’s interactions with the program’s youths...............

While declining to go into detail about complaints the charity has received...............

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/sports/ncaafootball/charity-founded-by-sandusky-plans-to-fold.html

Why all the shuck and jive? Why not simply answer the questions?

It’s a damn shame that GREED seems to be a determining factor of why these children’s horror was allowed to continue.

Emeralgem

11-21-2011, 04:51 PM

Botox has been found in the brain cells of laboratory mice given such injections. Will sixty-year-old Dr. Jack Raykovitz be the first to use “Botox impaired” as a legal defense?http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/14/article-2061412-0ECC8E3200000578-477_306x319.jpg
http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2011/11/14/20111114-181339-pic-764730790_s149x200.jpg?dfb9a7efa3488de6635e304f44e 346dc638a7a3f

Say what? Where are you reading he has had BOTOX injections? JMHO

Waupalani St.

11-21-2011, 04:55 PM

I hope the former FBI director hired by Penn State to investigate brings in a large team just to investigate Dr. Raykovitz, the practicing child psychologist and CEO of Second Mile for 28 years. What made this practicing child psychologist not suspect his friend Sandusky of being a pedophile?

"Dr. Raykovitz is a licensed psychologist and certified school psychologist. He received his Ph.D. in school psychology from the Pennsylvania State University in 1985. As President and CEO of The Second Mile, Dr. Raykovitz oversees the operations of a state-wide non-profit community organization devoted to serving at-risk children and youth. Dr. Raykovitz maintained a part-time private practice at XXXXXX, providing individual and family therapy to children, adolescents, and parents. His specialties included adolescent development and school adjustment issues."
http://www.midstep.com/raykovitz/

And Spainer's background was in Human Development and Family Studies...with research on the subject of "swinging" a la...70's car key parties?? http://www.springerlink.com/content/g18580h5t244324u/ That's where tax dollars go, to tenure professors who live in their academia ivory towers and conduct 'research' instead of implementing concrete actionable programs to protect children. What a disservice to people who truly are altruistic and care for others in their professions!

And then this someone posted earlier: "In other developments, the Patriot-News of Harrisburg reports that the first alleged abuse victim of Sandusky has withdrawn from his Clinton County, Pa. high school because of bullying.

The victim's psychologist, Mike Gillum, told the paper that Central Mountain High School students were misplacing their anger at Joe Paterno's firing and blaming the 17-year-old, who left the school in the middle of his senior year after experiencing a rash of verbal taunting and name-calling.

Gillum also noted that school officials neglected to offer guidance and counseling for fellow students.

The officials were unavailable for comment Sunday, the paper reported."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7263075/penn-state-university-police-report-another-indecent-assault-2000-pool

I feel that CMHighSchool admin contributed and enabled sandusky, and in the aftermath did nothing to protect the boy. *School should've provided private tutor, or got student settled in a different school back in 2009, or worked with counselors for kid to have what ever accommodations he needed to feel as safe and secure as he could. ACCOMMODATIONS are made for medical, peanut allergies, behavioral, inclusion, all kinds of needs, some disruptive, of all kinds of students...but admin/guidence counselors couldn't think of how to help this kid??? I wonder if his Due Process was violated?

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 05:24 PM

Say what? Where are you reading he has had BOTOX injections? JMHO
When I saw the photo of the sixty-year-old Raykovitz without horizontal forehead wrinkles, I wondered if he utilized neurotoxin injections for his appearance.

Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 05:26 PM

And Spainer's background was in Human Development and Family Studies...with research on the subject of "swinging" a la...70's car key parties?? http://www.springerlink.com/content/g18580h5t244324u/ That's where tax dollars go, to tenure professors who live in their academia ivory towers and conduct 'research' instead of implementing concrete actionable programs to protect children. What a disservice to people who truly are altruistic and care for others in their professions!

And then this someone had posted earlier: "In other developments, the Patriot-News of Harrisburg reports that the first alleged abuse victim of Sandusky has withdrawn from his Clinton County, Pa. high school because of bullying.

The victim's psychologist, Mike Gillum, told the paper that Central Mountain High School students were misplacing their anger at Joe Paterno's firing and blaming the 17-year-old, who left the school in the middle of his senior year after experiencing a rash of verbal taunting and name-calling.

Gillum also noted that school officials neglected to offer guidance and counseling for fellow students.

The officials were unavailable for comment Sunday, the paper reported."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7263075/penn-state-university-police-report-another-indecent-assault-2000-pool

CMHighSchool admin contributed and enabled sandusky, and in the aftermath did nothing to protect the boy. *School should've provided private tutor, or got student settled in a different school back in 2009, or worked with counselors for kid to have what ever accommodations he needed to feel as safe and secure as he could. *All kinds of accommodations are made for medical, peanut allergies, behavioral, all knids of disruptive needs of all kinds of students...but admin/guidence counselors couldn't think of how to help this kid??? The School that let the Pedophile come in and take the child out of class constantly with out the parents permission. Just how does that work?

The victim's psychologist, Mike Gillum, told the paper that Central Mountain High School students were misplacing their anger at Joe Paterno's firing and blaming the 17-year-old, who left the school in the middle of his senior year after experiencing a rash of verbal taunting and name-calling.

Kimberlyd125

11-21-2011, 05:30 PM

Like this child hasn't been through enough.

ThoughtFox

11-21-2011, 05:40 PM

The School that let the Pedophile come in and take the child out of class constantly with out the parents permission. Just how does that work?

The victim's psychologist, Mike Gillum, told the paper that Central Mountain High School students were misplacing their anger at Joe Paterno's firing and blaming the 17-year-old, who left the school in the middle of his senior year after experiencing a rash of verbal taunting and name-calling.

That's so sad! :(

scapa

11-21-2011, 05:43 PM

And Spainer's background was in Human Development and Family Studies...with research on the subject of "swinging" a la...70's car key parties?? http://www.springerlink.com/content/g18580h5t244324u/ That's where tax dollars go, to tenure professors who live in their academia ivory towers and conduct 'research' instead of implementing concrete actionable programs to protect children. What a disservice to people who truly are altruistic and care for others in their professions!

With respect for your opinions on this case generally, and though it seems clear that several of Penn State's higher admin have behaved abominably to Sandusky's victims (and their students, athletes, stakeholders, and so forth), all kinds of research professors are deeply and durably committed to understanding and addressing the exploitation of children as well as the various other social problems that have come up in this thread.

I am by training a social psychologist and a prof at a large research university. There is no ivory tower here -- we average a 70 hour week and take home less than a London tube driver. On top of that, many of us consult pro bono and volunteer to boot. Any football assistant coach at a decent program will make a multiple of most of the (non-professional school) professors/faculty at that school -- including those who design and implement social policy, school curricula, etc.

I actually think of the notable factors in this case is that the oversight one might expect of, say, a faculty department in a large public university seems to have been totally absent here. Riches, fame, recruits, scholarship funds in a world increasingly hostile to the idea of the university -- all this helped to blind an administration seemingly bent on the most repugnant cost-benefit analysis. Spanier may, in his role as a sociologist, have conducted research you find trivial, but had been thinking as a sociologist and not a swaggering, fundraising, legacy-seeking Uni President, he might have stepped in a long time ago and made a profound difference to the lives of who knows how many young men.

/end of rant

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Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 05:43 PM

I was wondering how the kids knew it was him and it just dawned on me. They knew it was him because the head of Central Mountain High School allowed Jerry Sandusky to come in and take the kid out of class in front of the other students and without the parents permission. What is wrong with that place?

Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 05:46 PM

How many other High Schools and Grade Schools did Jerry just go into and take kids out of class with out their parents knowing?

Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 05:58 PM

In the interview, she said that she was unaware that Sandusky had access to her son’s high school, where he would take him out of classes. http://www.lostlettermen.com/sandusky-victims-mom-goes-on-gma/

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 05:59 PM

I have no idea how many of The Second Mile’s officials and board members knew about this animal, but I can see no way that there wasn’t wide spread awareness of his actions within that organization.

I can see no way that anyone would have STAYED on the board if they knew they were enabling a pedo. No one wants to be associated with a pedophile or have their business associated with a pedophile. This would destroy their reputation. As you can see from this article, board members are fleeing in anger and with feelings of betrayal from Second Mile. It appears that they were not told the truth by key officials of Second Mile.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mile-staffers-quit-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal/story?id=14973063#.TsrTWc1fqeY
The interim chief executive of TSM, David Woodle, certainly wasn’t a fountain of information, recently, when asked about TSM’s knowledge and response regarding Sandusky’s acts:
Why all the shuck and jive? Why not simply answer the questions?

It’s a damn shame that GREED seems to be a determining factor of why these children’s horror was allowed to continue.
These people were not motivated by greed. What is being revealed is the same situation that happened in the Boy Scout's and Catholic Church's pedophile scandal. For too long, only the key officials in the administration knew the truth. :(

Cappuccino

11-21-2011, 06:19 PM

I was wondering how the kids knew it was him and it just dawned on me. They knew it was him because the head of Central Mountain High School allowed Jerry Sandusky to come in and take the kid out of class in front of the other students and without the parents permission. What is wrong with that place?

This is one of the under reported parts of this scandal. What was the principal thinking? I would be furious if I was that boy's parent, even if no molestation had occurred - removing a minor from class without parental permission is already bad on its own.

Concerned Papa

11-21-2011, 06:27 PM

I can see no way that anyone would have STAYED on the board if they knew they were enabling a pedo. No one wants to be associated with a pedophile or have their business associated with a pedophile. This would destroy their reputation. As you can see from this article, board members are fleeing in anger and with feelings of betrayal from Second Mile. It appears that they were not told the truth by key officials of Second Mile.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mile-staffers-quit-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal/story?id=14973063#.TsrTWc1fqeY

These people were not motivated by greed. What is being revealed is the same situation that happened in the Boy Scout's and Catholic Church's pedophile scandal. For too long, only the key officials in the administration knew the truth. :( BBM

And it was these key officials that had the most incentive for greed to be their motivator, particularly the chairman of the board of trustees, Bob Poole, with his tens of millions of dollars in construction contracts. As a TSM official as well as a state vendor he was deeply vested in the commingled inner circles of PSU and TSM. For me, there's no way it's even remotely logical that Sandusky's reprehensible acts escaped his awareness.

For him to have "done the right thing" regarding this monster would place his benefit of association in the same jeopardy that I see happening in the future now that the secrets are being exposed. The architects that you correctly pointed out who make the recommendations to award construction contracts are, like the university, likely to distance themselves completely from this tainted association.

That is a huge incentive, in excess of $50,000,000.00 in the past two years alone, fueled by greed, to say or do NOTHING thereby enabling the horror of these children.

katydid23

11-21-2011, 06:51 PM

In the interview, she said that she was unaware that Sandusky had access to her son’s high school, where he would take him out of classes. http://www.lostlettermen.com/sandusky-victims-mom-goes-on-gma/

That is unreal. :mad: I would go through the roof if I found out some adult was going to school and taking one of my kids out without prior permission from me. [ which they probably would not get anyway.]

How the heck did he get that much power. Why would the high school allow this? Don't they worry about liability issues. I have never known a school to EVER allow a student to be dismissed off campus to anyone other than parent/guardian or someone the parent has signed off on.

I worked for the public school system for 12 years and many hours of that was as a classified employee in the attendance office.

So I am wondering if the mother might have signed the paper that allowed Sandusky to be one of the people legally authorized to sign out her son.

That would not mean she knew when and how often he was taking him out, it only gave her permission for Sandusky to be one of the adults able legally to sign him out.

Cappuccino

11-21-2011, 06:55 PM

I doubt it. It doesn't sound like he was ever taken off campus, just out of class and into a conference room inside the school. Its still unbelievable that he was allowed to do that, IMO.

Schmerty_Jones

11-21-2011, 07:03 PM

Subterfuge allowing the colleagues to have their way , becomes more important than the parent who should be the most responsible adult. This is just WRONG!:banghead:

HMSHood

11-21-2011, 07:21 PM

Paterno's life grade
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_19359833

Mike Rosen is clearly clueless and naive. It is horribly written.

Filly

11-21-2011, 07:41 PM

That is unreal. :mad: I would go through the roof if I found out some adult was going to school and taking one of my kids out without prior permission from me. [ which they probably would not get anyway.]

How the heck did he get that much power. Why would the high school allow this? Don't they worry about liability issues. I have never known a school to EVER allow a student to be dismissed off campus to anyone other than parent/guardian or someone the parent has signed off on.

I worked for the public school system for 12 years and many hours of that was as a classified employee in the attendance office.

So I am wondering if the mother might have signed the paper that allowed Sandusky to be one of the people legally authorized to sign out her son.

That would not mean she knew when and how often he was taking him out, it only gave her permission for Sandusky to be one of the adults able legally to sign him out.

If that link was correct the mother said she did not know he (accused pedophile) had access to her son's school. The way I heard it and am reading it the lady had zero knowledge about that. Maybe I am wrong?

However we do know that the mom allowed the boy to stay overnight at the home of those people. She wouldn't have to sign a permission slip for that.

What I am getting at is are we to blame the poor kid's mother? I ask this because that issue has come up in conversations I've had. In fact one in which my own mother wondered allowed why in heck the kid was allowed to stay overnight.

I say no way is this woman to blame. I feel sorry for her. The kid was an "at risk" youth. What's that encompass I am not sure, but pedophiles they smell this a mile away. They look for it. Obviously he had a handle on the poor child figuring he wouldn't tell. He got a surpise when the mom called him on it.

As he even admitted to the woman when the cops eavesdropped he did shower with her son and he wishes he was dead he still felt in control of the situation. This woman was up against allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll these wealthy whatevers and dealing with this hero of a man and still freaked.

My heart breaks for this poor young man. I have no doubt this mom is beside herself.

Filly

11-21-2011, 07:46 PM

Oh yeah and the wrestling coach finds the creep on top of this kid. Then what?

Were they wrestling?

Man, I just don't know. This poor kid.

Dum-Dum Sucker

11-21-2011, 07:47 PM

I was wondering how the kids knew it was him and it just dawned on me. They knew it was him because the head of Central Mountain High School allowed Jerry Sandusky to come in and take the kid out of class in front of the other students and without the parents permission. What is wrong with that place?

:furious: The kids also knew it was him because the gnarly media had to go and announce that the victim attended Central Mountain High School.

Way to protect his anonymity. Snark.

katydid23

11-21-2011, 07:51 PM

If that link was correct the mother said she did not know he (accused pedophile) had access to her son's school. The way I heard it and am reading it the lady had zero knowledge about that. Maybe I am wrong?

However we do know that the mom allowed the boy to stay overnight at the home of those people. She wouldn't have to sign a permission slip for that.

What I am getting at is are we to blame the poor kid's mother? I ask this because that issue has come up in conversations I've had. In fact one in which my own mother wondered allowed why in heck the kid was allowed to stay overnight.

I say no way is this woman to blame. I feel sorry for her. The kid was an "at risk" youth. What's that encompass I am not sure, but pedophiles they smell this a mile away. They look for it. Obviously he had a handle on the poor child figuring he wouldn't tell. He got a surpise when the mom called him on it.

As he even admitted to the woman when the cops eavesdropped he did shower with her son and he wishes he was dead he still felt in control of the situation. This woman was up against allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll these wealthy whatevers and dealing with this hero of a man and still freaked.

My heart breaks for this poor young man. I have no doubt this mom is beside herself.

I am not blaming her. Not at all. I am just saying that legally, a school cannot sign a student out without the person being on a small list of authorized people. And the only way to get on the list is to have the parents sign off on it.

But that would not mean that she knew that the sick perv was actually sneaking off to the school to sign her son out of class whenever he felt like it.

I am just saying that when they took football trips they probably left early on Fridays from school---and for Sandusky to be able to pick the boy up he would have to have a signed authorization form on file with the office.

Waupalani St.

11-21-2011, 08:01 PM

With respect for your opinions on this case generally, and though it seems clear that several of Penn State's higher admin have behaved abominably to Sandusky's victims (and their students, athletes, stakeholders, and so forth), all kinds of research professors are deeply and durably committed to understanding and addressing the exploitation of children as well as the various other social problems that have come up in this thread.

I am by training a social psychologist and a prof at a large research university. There is no ivory tower here -- we average a 70 hour week and take home less than a London tube driver. On top of that, many of us consult pro bono and volunteer to boot. Any football assistant coach at a decent program will make a multiple of most of the (non-professional school) professors/faculty at that school -- including those who design and implement social policy, school curricula, etc.

I actually think of the notable factors in this case is that the oversight one might expect of, say, a faculty department in a large public university seems to have been totally absent here. Riches, fame, recruits, scholarship funds in a world increasingly hostile to the idea of the university -- all this helped to blind an administration seemingly bent on the most repugnant cost-benefit analysis. Spanier may, in his role as a sociologist, have conducted research you find trivial, but had been thinking as a sociologist and not a swaggering, fundraising, legacy-seeking Uni President, he might have stepped in a long time ago and made a profound difference to the lives of who knows how many young men.

/end of rant

sWhen I said "What a disservice to people who truly are altruistic and care for others in their professions!" that would be you then, sorry for my insensitive remarks about ivory tower. They were directed at Spainer and his HDFS background considering his role in all this. I should not have generalized. My degree is in Human Development and Family Studies from PSU..that and my Masters in Education have me semi-unschooling my kids. Design and implementation of social policy and curricula is a topic for another board. Namaste.

Quiche

11-21-2011, 08:15 PM

Paterno's life grade
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_19359833

Mike Rosen is clearly clueless and naive. It is horribly written.

Oh FHS! Is this what the PR firm is doing? It was bad, but not as bad as him (that guy) and CERTAINLY NOT as bad as Sandusky. Paterno needs to sit down and hush! Calling attention to his bellyaching about the loss of his hero status for the moment makes him appear small, selfish, and insolent. Let the children be recognized as the victims here, Finally, will you please?

:banghead:

moo

Filly

11-21-2011, 08:20 PM

I am not blaming her. Not at all. I am just saying that legally, a school cannot sign a student out without the person being on a small list of authorized people. And the only way to get on the list is to have the parents sign off on it.

But that would not mean that she knew that the sick perv was actually sneaking off to the school to sign her son out of class whenever he felt like it.

I am just saying that when they took football trips they probably left early on Fridays from school---and for Sandusky to be able to pick the boy up he would have to have a signed authorization form on file with the office.

Katy, I'm sorry. I know you weren't blaming her. I was just putting it out there as it had been coming up in conversation for me here.

I hear ya. Again, sorry.

J. J. in Phila

11-21-2011, 08:26 PM

:furious: The kids also knew it was him because the gnarly media had to go and announce that the victim attended Central Mountain High School.

Way to protect his anonymity. Snark.

Well, the presentment named the coach, and the other kids saw Victim 1 with Sandusky, so I don't think they got it from the media.

FloatingStar

11-21-2011, 09:30 PM

It seems strange that the person in the below article has the same last name (Probst) as the principal of Central Mountain High School (Karen Probst); the same school that let Sandusky take one of his victims from the school without the parental knowledge or consent. There are also a couple of other Probst that work at the school.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

Dr.Fessel

11-21-2011, 10:19 PM

Sandusky charity faced contempt motion over missing records
By Michael Isikoff
NBC News National Investigative Correspondent

Pennsylvania state prosecutors filed a secret motion to hold The Second Mile children’s charity in contempt in July after the organization failed to turn over expense records of founder Jerry Sandusky in response to a grand jury subpoena, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

The contempt motion, filed under court seal, was withdrawn in October after some of the missing Sandusky records were found and produced, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. But the charity’s new lawyers are still looking for the rest of the subpoenaed material and seeking to determine whether the missing records were destroyed or removed in an effort to impede the investigation into Sandusky’s relationships with The Second Mile children, said the source, who has been briefed on some of the details of the investigation.

The move to hold The Second Mile in contempt, which has previously not been reported, is the latest indication that the investigation into the Penn State sex abuse scandal may have widened to include obstruction of justice. Asked Monday if obstruction was a focus of Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly’s investigation, her spokesman, Nils Frederickson, declined comment, citing rules covering the secrecy of matters before the grand jury. “This is a comprehensive, active and ongoing investigation,” he said. http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8939650-sandusky-charity-faced-contempt-motion-over-missing-records#.TssS_M1DZyM.twitter

Rlaub44

11-21-2011, 10:29 PM

I am not blaming her. Not at all. I am just saying that legally, a school cannot sign a student out without the person being on a small list of authorized people. And the only way to get on the list is to have the parents sign off on it.

But that would not mean that she knew that the sick perv was actually sneaking off to the school to sign her son out of class whenever he felt like it.

I am just saying that when they took football trips they probably left early on Fridays from school---and for Sandusky to be able to pick the boy up he would have to have a signed authorization form on file with the office.

Also, as the student was a client of the agency, the school may have allowed Sandusky to meet with him on site, the way other students do with Therapeutic Support Staff or Mobile Therapists from outside agencies. The mother may have signed a standard release form, and Sandusky presented himself as the boy's "mentor". The fact that he was already "inside" the school as a volunteer coach probably helped smooth his path.

In hindsight, poor judgment on the district's part, and I would hope they have since revisited those policies.

Pensfan

11-21-2011, 10:53 PM

“Sandusky began to demand more and more of his time.* Sandusky was also volunteering as a football coach at Probst’s high school, so Probst was seeing Sandusky nearly every day.
“I wasn’t seeing my friends as much, wasn’t doing as teenagers do,” Probst said.
When Probst began to distance himself, Sandusky would pull him out of class to chat with him. The chats eventually turned into arguments, Probst said.
At one point, Probst confronted Sandusky about feeling uncomfortable with the way he touched his leg.
“He got a little mad,” Probst said of Sandusky’s reaction.
He (Probst) said that he considers Sandusky a positive influence in his life.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

Ugh. This young man hasn't realized that Sandusky was grooming him, tried to desensitize him to groping, and tried to isolate him from his friends who would tell him that Sandusky was a weirdo in more colorful words.

katydid23

11-21-2011, 11:01 PM

“Sandusky began to demand more and more of his time.* Sandusky was also volunteering as a football coach at Probst’s high school, so Probst was seeing Sandusky nearly every day.
“I wasn’t seeing my friends as much, wasn’t doing as teenagers do,” Probst said.
When Probst began to distance himself, Sandusky would pull him out of class to chat with him. The chats eventually turned into arguments, Probst said.
At one point, Probst confronted Sandusky about feeling uncomfortable with the way he touched his leg.
“He got a little mad,” Probst said of Sandusky’s reaction.
He (Probst) said that he considers Sandusky a positive influence in his life.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

Ugh. This young man hasn't realized that Sandusky was grooming him, tried to desensitize him to groping, and tried to isolate him from his friends who would tell him that Sandusky was a weirdo in more colorful words.

OMG. What a creeper. This perv was stalking him at school. How sick to take him from class to argue over the poor kid trying to break away from the abuse. This kid is going to need a lot of counseling and support. :rose:

katydid23

11-21-2011, 11:03 PM

Also, how the HE!! could Sandusky get any kind of a volunteer job working with kids after being under recent investigations concerning sexual abuse?

LRinCA

11-21-2011, 11:17 PM

It seems strange that the person in the below article has the same last name (Probst) as the principal of Central Mountain High School (Karen Probst); the same school that let Sandusky take one of his victims from the school without the parental knowledge or consent. There are also a couple of other Probst that work at the school.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

It is very strange!

BigCat

11-21-2011, 11:22 PM

This article in the New York Times is one of the more informative that I've read.

In his 16 years as president, Spanier and his administration had a history of circling the wagons in the face of criticism or scrutiny, fitting into what many say was an insular Penn State culture that preceded his tenure. It occurred when high-profile Penn State employees came under fire, when student actions threatened to embarrass the university, and when people sought to obtain information that almost any other public institution would be required to release.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-graham-spanier-enjoyed-success-and-secrecy.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

wfgodot

11-21-2011, 11:51 PM

So much for the polite fiction that his program was special.

A Discipline Problem: Paterno Fought Penn State Official Over Punishment of Players (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories) (Wall Street Journal)

STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno clashed repeatedly with the university's former chief disciplinarian over how harshly to punish players who got into trouble, internal emails suggest, shedding new light on the school's effort to balance its reputation as a magnet for scholar-athletes with the demands of running a nationally dominant football program.

In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."
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The end result, she said, was that football players were treated "more favorably than other students accused of violating the community standards as defined by the student code of conduct."
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the rest at WSJ link above

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 12:00 AM

It seems strange that the person in the below article has the same last name (Probst) as the principal of Central Mountain High School (Karen Probst); the same school that let Sandusky take one of his victims from the school without the parental knowledge or consent. There are also a couple of other Probst that work at the school.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

From your link:

In one of their last conversations a few years ago, Probst said that Sandusky asked him if if he’d be willing to testify in his defense. Investigators had already reached out to Probst for questioning. :banghead:

Think of all the time there was to remove/destroy records, cameras, etc.

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 12:03 AM

"The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…"

And apparently he thought he knew best when it came to handling situations involving young children. :furious:

HMSHood

11-22-2011, 12:07 AM

“Sandusky began to demand more and more of his time.* Sandusky was also volunteering as a football coach at Probst’s high school, so Probst was seeing Sandusky nearly every day.
“I wasn’t seeing my friends as much, wasn’t doing as teenagers do,” Probst said.
When Probst began to distance himself, Sandusky would pull him out of class to chat with him. The chats eventually turned into arguments, Probst said.
At one point, Probst confronted Sandusky about feeling uncomfortable with the way he touched his leg.
“He got a little mad,” Probst said of Sandusky’s reaction.
He (Probst) said that he considers Sandusky a positive influence in his life.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

Ugh. This young man hasn't realized that Sandusky was grooming him, tried to desensitize him to groping, and tried to isolate him from his friends who would tell him that Sandusky was a weirdo in more colorful words.

Also from the link.

Frankie Probst, a young man mentored by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, says Sandusky was like a father figure to him but grew increasingly clingy over a period of 8 years.

“We kind of grew apart because he was getting clingy, wanting me to come over and stuff," Probst told NBC's Natalie Morales in an exclusive interview broadcast Monday night on Rock Center.

That raises the red flag. Why would someone not affiliated with the child be even allowed to be at the high school. Clingy people are seen as annoying.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 12:07 AM

It is very strange!
They are both from Lockhaven, Pa. Hmmmm. Strange.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 12:35 AM

HOLY CRAP! Louis Freeh was the “take NO prisoners" FBI Director when the FBI "forced" the firebombing of the Branch Davidians and also when the FBI sniper shot that unarmed woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.

(Dayum, I’m glad son #2 is graduating next year. I’m sending him back after Thanksgiving break waving a large white flag and with instructions to “hit the ground” if a red dot suddenly appears on his chest or head. ;) )
Louis Freeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 12:43 AM

They are both from Lockhaven, Pa. Hmmmm. Strange.

You know for a fact the principal is also from Lock Haven? I have no idea but I will most certainly defer to you. :)

Wikipedia:

At the 2000 census, Lock Haven's population was 9,149.

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 12:45 AM

HOLY CRAP! Louis Freeh was the “take NO prisoners" FBI Director when the FBI forced the firebombing of the Branch Davidians and also when the FBI sniper shot that unarmed woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.

(Dayum, I’m glad son #2 is graduating next year. I’m sending him back after Thanksgiving break waving a large white flag and with instructions to “hit the ground” if a red dot suddenly appears on his chest or head. ;) )
Louis Freeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Freeh)

LOL @ "hit the ground"

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 12:51 AM

The principal with the same last name has managed to avoid much if any media attention.

There's still just one instance of her name in a Google News search.

* Those same sources said when the family questioned that outcome, they were told by a Keystone administrator (Karen Probst) that Sandusky was a "great man" and they should go home and think about it before taking further action.
http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/570961/Scandal-may-include-Keystone-Central.html?nav=5011

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 01:00 AM

You know for a fact the principal is also from Lock Haven? I have no idea but I will most certainly defer to you. :)
Wikipedia:

At the 2000 census, Lock Haven's population was 9,149.

Lock Haven is approx. 4 miles from Mill Hall. Central Mountain school is a combination of 3 other schools; one is Lock Haven's.
Central Mountain High School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

karen probst lockhaven, pa - Google Search

http://www.rmu.edu/OnTheMove/wpnews.full_story?icalledby=wpnews&ipage=60509&it=&iattr=&ivisitor=&inwc_seqno=14126&inws_seqno=12781&ihide_header=0

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 01:20 AM

Several reputable sources say the guidance office talked to the victim and his mother, then discouraged them from contacting Children and Youth.
* Those same sources said when the family questioned that outcome, they were told by a Keystone administrator (Karen Probst) that Sandusky was a "great man" and they should go home and think about it before taking further action.
* The district only took action after the family, frustrated with the school's response, went directly to Children and Youth Services with its complaint, and after C&Y officials told the district Sandusky should be banned from contact with students and barred from school property.
http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/570961/Scandal-may-include-Keystone-Central.html?nav=5011

Yuck. This certainly looks like the administrator possibly discouraged the mom of the 2009 victim to not report Sandusky because her son or relative had received expensive gifts and trips from that "great man". CYS had to order the administrator to block Sandusky's access to children at that school. Unfrigginbelievable.

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 01:32 AM

IIRC, the timeline is that McQueary witnessed the alleged rape in the shower on the Friday night before spring break (March 2, 2002).

A few weeks later he was advised that he could no longer bring children onto the campus at Penn State.

Looks like he made sure he had another shower*/locker room facility available for his use by the time the next football season rolled around:

In 2002, Sandusky began volunteering at Central Mountain High, working with players and sitting in the booth during games. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1192198/index.htm

*I don't recall any specifics about showering incidents at Central Mountain High School

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 01:40 AM

Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan said:

“I don’t think I’ve ever been associated with a case where that type of eyewitness identification of sex acts [took] place where the police weren’t called. I don’t think I’ve ever seen something like this before.”

Wonder if he's ever seen ANY perp charged with FORTY counts of reprehensible crimes against children walk out of jail with an inconsequential $100,000.00 UNSECURED bond requiring not one dime of cash?

District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, who set a reduced bail for former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky after he was arrested earlier this month was a volunteer and donor for The Second Mile.

The ties between Dutchcot and Second Mile extend beyond volunteering.

In 2007 Robert Stone, the Board Chairman of Second Mile, hosted a fundraiser for Dutchcot in his home, for her campaign for District Judge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57324173/sandusky-bail-judge-has-ties-to-second-mile/

I'll bet phones were burning up all over Happy Valley to get this bond set.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 01:40 AM

IIRC, the timeline is that McQueary witnessed the alleged rape in the shower on the Friday night before spring break (March 2, 2002).

A few weeks later he was advised that he could no longer bring children onto the campus at Penn State.

Looks like he made sure he had another shower*/locker room facility available for his use by the time the next football season rolled around:

In 2002, Sandusky began volunteering at Central Mountain High, working with players and sitting in the booth during games. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1192198/index.htm

I don't recall any specifics about showering incidents at Central Mountain High School
He also took them on out-of-town trips to "use the shower". :(

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 01:48 AM

Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan said:

Wonder if he's ever seen ANY perp charged with FORTY counts of reprehensible crimes against children walk out of jail with an inconsequential $100,000.00 UNSECURED bond requiring not one dime of cash?

I'll bet phones were burning up all over Happy Valley to get this bond set.
She is a childless young personal injury attorney :furious: who needs to become educated about con-artist pedophiles.
http://www.centreinjurylaw.com/Bio/LeslieDutchcot.asp

Robert Stone was only able to raise $1300 for her at the fundraiser in his home.

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 01:53 AM

As I'm thinking about this...

This requires a few leaps -

Was Jerry Sandusky manipulative/cunning enough to have chosen a high school to "volunteer" at - complete with a built-in cheerleader (i.e. principal)?

If this young man is related to her, and if Sandusky semi-groomed him with absolutely no intentions of ever accosting him, then it could have served two purposes:

1. A witness who could always say "he did those types of things to me, too, and I was uncomfortable with it but nothing sexual ever came of it" (which is basically what's happening right now - since Frankie P. has taken it to the media).

2. Another witness (in the form of the principal) who would always have his back if push came to shove (as it did with Victim #1's mother).

Also (more stretching here) - if Frankie P. is related to Karen P. then it helps keep her off the hot seat when the tractor beams start shining on her and her famous "he's a great man - better go home and sleep on it" line. Her defense could be "well, he was good to my son/nephew/2nd cousin twice removed, whatever, and there was never any sign of abuse."

It seems pedophiles stalk their victims and enlist the trust of others along the way. Maybe Central Mountain High presented the perfect opportunity for Sandusky at that particular moment in time.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 02:03 AM

As I'm thinking about this...

This requires a few leaps -

Was Jerry Sandusky manipulative/cunning enough to have chosen a high school to "volunteer" at - complete with a built-in cheerleader (i.e. principal)?

If this young man is related to her, and if Sandusky semi-groomed him with absolutely no intentions of ever accosting him, then it served two purposes:

1. A witness that could always say "he did those types of things to me, too, and I was uncomfortable with it but nothing sexual ever came of it" (which is basically what's happening right now - since Frankie P. has taken it to the media).

2. Another witness (in the form of the principal) who would always have his back if push came to shove (as it did with Victim #1's mother).

Also (more stretching here) - if Frankie P. is related to Karen P. then it helps keep her off the hot seat when the tractor lights start shining on her and her famous "he's a great man - better go home and sleep on it" line. Her defense could be "well, he was good to my son/nephew/2nd cousin twice removed, whatever, and there was never any sign of abuse."

It seems pedophiles stalk their victims and enlist the trust of others along the way. Maybe Central Mountain High presented the perfect opportunity for Sandusky at that particular moment in time.
IMO, pedo Sandusky only went looking for more sexual thrills and emotional relationships with little boys. His source of victims had been blocked, so he used his scamming skills and "great guy" reputation to find another source of young boys.

Here are the bad choices:
1. This administrator fell for Pedo Jerry scam, or
2. This administrator essentially "prostituted" her relative and other boy(s) at that school for some reason

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 02:05 AM

Here are the bad choices:
1. This administrator fell for Pedo Jerry scam, or
2. This administrator essentially "prostituted" her relative and other boy(s) at that school for some reason

I can sleep better at night thinking it was #1.

#2 is just too horrible to think about - at any time of day.

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 02:07 AM

November 22, 2011

Corbett explains his actions as AG on Sandusky case

Gov. Tom Corbett said Monday he would have risked revealing the path of a state grand jury investigation had he pressed officials to take away campus privileges extended to former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky before child sex-abuse charges against him were filed.

Much more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/corbett-explains-his-actions-as-ag-on-sandusky-case-1.1235544#ixzz1ePpTDTMN

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 02:11 AM

November 22, 2011

Corbett explains his actions as AG on Sandusky case

Gov. Tom Corbett said Monday he would have risked revealing the path of a state grand jury investigation had he pressed officials to take away campus privileges extended to former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky before child sex-abuse charges against him were filed.

Much more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/corbett-explains-his-actions-as-ag-on-sandusky-case-1.1235544#ixzz1ePpTDTMN
The grand jury investigation took THREE YEARS! Not acceptable, Gov. Corbett!

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 02:29 AM

As I'm thinking about this...

This requires a few leaps -

Was Jerry Sandusky manipulative/cunning enough to have chosen a high school to "volunteer" at - complete with a built-in cheerleader (i.e. principal)?

If this young man is related to her, and if Sandusky semi-groomed him with absolutely no intentions of ever accosting him, then it could have served two purposes:

1. A witness who could always say "he did those types of things to me, too, and I was uncomfortable with it but nothing sexual ever came of it" (which is basically what's happening right now - since Frankie P. has taken it to the media).

2. Another witness (in the form of the principal) who would always have his back if push came to shove (as it did with Victim #1's mother).

Also (more stretching here) - if Frankie P. is related to Karen P. then it helps keep her off the hot seat when the tractor beams start shining on her and her famous "he's a great man - better go home and sleep on it" line. Her defense could be "well, he was good to my son/nephew/2nd cousin twice removed, whatever, and there was never any sign of abuse."

It seems pedophiles stalk their victims and enlist the trust of others along the way. Maybe Central Mountain High presented the perfect opportunity for Sandusky at that particular moment in time.
This article shows that Sandusky might have intentionally chose the city of Mill Hall because of one child. Sandusky met this one victim when he was 10 or 11 at Second Mile. Then he showed up at his high school as a volunteer and apparently continued to groom and then rape him. Out of all the many cities near Sandusky's home in State College, why did Sandusky volunteer at the city of Mill Hall?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1192198/index.htm

LRinCA

11-22-2011, 03:23 AM

I don't recall if this has been posted yet or not:

Did legal adviser for ousted Penn State officials have a conflict of interest?

Did the two Penn State officials facing charges they helped to hide a report of sexual assault on campus get bad legal advice? Up until about a week before charges were filed against athletic director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz, they didn’t have their own attorneys.

Instead, they relied on the advice of former state Supreme Court Justice Cynthia Baldwin, the university’s first in-house counsel. Baldwin represented them when they testified before the grand jury in February. But Baldwin is supposed to be the first line of defense for the university. She’s supposed to have Penn State’s best interests.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/did_legal_adviser_for_ousted_p.html

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 03:51 AM

Off topic: Here is one more pedophile who chose a job where he came into daily contact with children. He was also considered to be a nice man. The parents had no idea of what he was doing for a long time. He was caught, not because the parents suspected him, but because he was busted by the FBI for downloading child porn and then he confessed to his actions at his school.
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Former-Dubuque-Principal-To-Serve-30-Years-For-Child-Porn-134301143.html

The elementary school principal admitted to having sexual fantasies and had one of the largest collections of child pornography she (the judge) had heard of during her time on the bench. The ages range from infant to prepubescent boys in the videos.........

Burke installed video cameras under the sinks, above bathroom stalls and put one on his belt so when he walked into the bathroom he could record images of children using the bathroom......

Trident

11-22-2011, 05:36 AM

HOLY CRAP! Louis Freeh was the “take NO prisoners" FBI Director when the FBI "forced" the firebombing of the Branch Davidians and also when the FBI sniper shot that unarmed woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.

(Dayum, I’m glad son #2 is graduating next year. I’m sending him back after Thanksgiving break waving a large white flag and with instructions to “hit the ground” if a red dot suddenly appears on his chest or head. ;) )
Louis Freeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Freeh)

I'm almost afraid to guess how this is going to play out. Good luck to your son.

Rlaub44

11-22-2011, 06:28 AM

This article shows that Sandusky might have intentionally chose the city of Mill Hall because of one child. Sandusky met this one victim when he was 10 or 11 at Second Mile. Then he showed up at his high school as a volunteer and apparently continued to groom and then rape him. Out of all the many cities near Sandusky's home in State College, why did Sandusky volunteer at the city of Mill Hall?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1192198/index.htm

Another reason may be that local communities (State College, Bellefonte, etc.) may have heard rumors that essentially blackballed him - he had to go to Clinton County to get far enough away that his "Other" reputation (besides as a successful football coach) didn't precede him.

This is just a possibility, and of course, JMO.

BigCat

11-22-2011, 08:20 AM

The grand jury investigation took THREE YEARS! Not acceptable, Gov. Corbett!

On October 29th, Penn State defeated Illnois to give Joe Paterno the record for the most wins by a Division I football coach at 409. He would never coach another game. Did they wait until Paterno set the record to arrest Sandusky? Or is it just a coincidence?

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 08:51 AM

Did anyone read if the grand jury was a federal grand jury (since Sandusky raped child(ren) across the PA state line) or a state grand jury? This article states that in the federal system, "regular" grand juries sit for a basic term of 18 months but a court can extend this term for another 6 months, bringing the total possible term to 24 months; "special" federal grand juries sit for a basic term of 18 months but a court can extend their term for up to another 18 months, bringing their total possible term to 36 months. The term of state grand juries varies widely, but it would be fair to say that a year's term is fairly average.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq4.htm

Waupalani St.

11-22-2011, 09:00 AM

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/570961/Scandal-may-include-Keystone-Central.html?nav=5011
Unfrigginbelievable.
I feel that CMHighSchool admin contributed and enabled sandusky, and in the aftermath did nothing to protect the boy. *School should've provided private tutor, or got student settled in a different school back in 2009, or worked with counselors for kid to have what ever accommodations he needed to feel as safe and secure as he could. ACCOMMODATIONS are made for medical, peanut allergies, behavioral, inclusion, all kinds of needs, some disruptive, of all kinds of students...but admin/guidence counselors couldn't think of how to help this kid??? I wonder if his Due Process was violated?

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 09:16 AM

Did anyone read if the grand jury was a federal grand jury (since Sandusky raped child(ren) across the PA state line) or a state grand jury? This article states that in the federal system, "regular" grand juries sit for a basic term of 18 months but a court can extend this term for another 6 months, bringing the total possible term to 24 months; "special" federal grand juries sit for a basic term of 18 months but a court can extend their term for up to another 18 months, bringing their total possible term to 36 months. The term of state grand juries varies widely, but it would be fair to say that a year's term is fairly average.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq4.htm

It was a State Grand Jury. The opening sentence says:

"We the members of the Thirty-Third Statewide Investigating Grand Jury having received and reviewed evidence regarding violations of the Crimes Code occuring in Centre County, Pennsylvania......"

Trident

11-22-2011, 09:17 AM

I feel that CMHighSchool admin contributed and enabled sandusky, and in the aftermath did nothing to protect the boy. *School should've provided private tutor, or got student settled in a different school back in 2009, or worked with counselors for kid to have what ever accommodations he needed to feel as safe and secure as he could. ACCOMMODATIONS are made for medical, peanut allergies, behavioral, inclusion, all kinds of needs, some disruptive, of all kinds of students...but admin/guidence counselors couldn't think of how to help this kid??? I wonder if his Due Process was violated?

It seems like a lot of things were "violated", then brushed under the rug, and possibly under the law. Why don't white Americans have spokespersons like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 09:24 AM

It seems like a lot of things were "violated", then brushed under the rug, and possibly under the law. Why don't white Americans have spokespersons like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Uhhh...(HUSH Papa, don't you DARE bring Rush Limbaugh into this...) LOL LOL

Quiche

11-22-2011, 10:27 AM

I'm almost afraid to guess how this is going to play out. Good luck to your son.

I'm not, but I sure hope the right people are shaking in their boots! I say, Godspeed Louis Freeh!

ThoughtFox

11-22-2011, 10:30 AM

On October 29th, Penn State defeated Illnois to give Joe Paterno the record for the most wins by a Division I football coach at 409. He would never coach another game. Did they wait until Paterno set the record to arrest Sandusky? Or is it just a coincidence?

Many have speculated that they waited until he reached that record. It makes sense to me. They knew it was all going to hit the fan, so why not let Paterno go out in glory?

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 11:13 AM

My very elderly dad just suggested that Admiral Thad Allen (the mean-axx admiral that took control of the looting/shootings in New Orleans after the flood) be brought to the administrative offices to “clean the place up”. ROFL

A better idea would be for Attorney General Linda Kelly (not a Penn State graduate) and Governor Corbett (also not a PS alumni) to start pressuring the upper levels of administration to leave and the board of trustees to retire.

Emeralgem

11-22-2011, 11:23 AM

HOLY CRAP! Louis Freeh was the “take NO prisoners" FBI Director when the FBI "forced" the firebombing of the Branch Davidians and also when the FBI sniper shot that unarmed woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.

(Dayum, I’m glad son #2 is graduating next year. I’m sending him back after Thanksgiving break waving a large white flag and with instructions to “hit the ground” if a red dot suddenly appears on his chest or head. ;) )
Louis Freeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Freeh)

My grandaughter is a now a Junior in high School and has never been allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for any information since anyone can edit the site so is their another source for this information? Just asking...JMHO

Waupalani St.

11-22-2011, 11:59 AM

It seems like a lot of things were "violated", then brushed under the rug, and possibly under the law. Why don't white Americans have spokespersons like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton?

all I mean to say is all kinds of kids with all kinds of needs are accommodated with a Free Appropriate Public Education in the Least Restrictive Environment according to ADA and IDEA and Section 504 laws. There are so many laws, but they obviously are not followed all the time..then new laws are mandated plus new reams of paperwork...how about some common sense? but people are either doing a CYA, or maybe are hamstrung by policy? Too much money is made by 'forming commitees' to 'write policy' blah blah....the system now exists to support itself....sorry for the disservice of my jaded attitude to those who ARE DOING GOOD WORK..You are better people than I...time for a change...

wfgodot

11-22-2011, 12:05 PM

My very elderly dad just suggested that Admiral Thad Allen (the mean-axx admiral that took control of the looting/shootings in New Orleans after the flood) be brought to the administrative offices to “clean the place up”. ROFL

A better idea would be for Attorney General Linda Kelly (not a Penn State graduate) and Governor Corbett (also not a PS alumni) to start pressuring the upper levels of administration to leave and the board of trustees to retire.
Pensfan, whatever they wind up doing, Sidney Crosby still played great last night!

waltzingmatilda

11-22-2011, 12:26 PM

On October 29th, Penn State defeated Illnois to give Joe Paterno the record for the most wins by a Division I football coach at 409. He would never coach another game. Did they wait until Paterno set the record to arrest Sandusky? Or is it just a coincidence?

I have no idea BigCat but I do wonder after reading some eye opening links posted by our late night sleuths (thank you WS) about Paterno & Spanier.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-graham-spanier-enjoyed-success-and-secrecy.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

However, I found a bit of solace to learn that he isn't the winningest college football coach of all time according to this link.....

http://collegefootball.about.com/od/coachinggreats/a/coaches-top10.htm

My father was a huge Bama fan so I grew up watching college football on tv and attending games. The AL vs PSU game was a big rivalry in our world down south.

http://psucomradio.com/stories/The-Storied-History-between-Penn-State-and-Alabama,3088

While it was a fierce rivalry, us Bama fans (in my family) didn't feel contempt for Paterno as opposed to whoever coached Auburn (Shug Jordan comes to mind), we expected that AL/PSU would always be a great game with good sportsmanship. This link includes some quotes from paterno on the bear.....

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Bryant_Bear.html

I no longer hold Paterno in high regard after the things I have read. I am disgusted by his choices to keep things hidden to protect PSU football and his empire in Happy Valley. How could he not stand up for these abused children?:furious:

BTW, here's a bit of trivia that Mr. wm pointed out to me. Both JP's and BB's last games coached were against the University of Illinois.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_Paul_Bear_Bryant's_323rd_win_against

Not only does Sandusky's alleged rapes and sexual abuse of young boys and the alledged cover up by PSU officials cast a dark cloud on Happy Valley, the Sandusky tentacles are far reaching and inking out towards all college athletics which generate major revenue for Universities. I would be kidding myself to think that such coverups are only limited to PSU as we read about NCAA violations in the news all the time. BUT......The details in that Grand Jury report were horrific!

I wish I could shake the hands of the victims for taking a stand and preventing Sandusky from abusing future victims. Pedos won't stop their atrocities against children unless they are incarcerated or until they die.

Rant over......all MOO....just needed to vent......:banghead:

wm

essies

11-22-2011, 01:16 PM

Off topic: Here is one more pedophile who chose a job where he came into daily contact with children. He was also considered to be a nice man. The parents had no idea of what he was doing for a long time. He was caught, not because the parents suspected him, but because he was busted by the FBI for downloading child porn and then he confessed to his actions at his school.
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Former-Dubuque-Principal-To-Serve-30-Years-For-Child-Porn-134301143.html

The elementary school principal admitted to having sexual fantasies and had one of the largest collections of child pornography she (the judge) had heard of during her time on the bench. The ages range from infant to prepubescent boys in the videos.........

Burke installed video cameras under the sinks, above bathroom stalls and put one on his belt so when he walked into the bathroom he could record images of children using the bathroom......
Which begs the question (I'm not sure if if it was covered in grand jury testimony) of what was on JS's computers. Were they confiscated or a search warrant issued for any at his residence or office! I wonder if JS's victims were subjected to watching porn while with him or if they know of any video taping done in his basement or hotel rooms!:furious:
If they haven't confiscated computers by now-it may be too late to seize anything pertinent to this investigation!:banghead:

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 01:21 PM

On October 29th, Penn State defeated Illnois to give Joe Paterno the record for the most wins by a Division I football coach at 409. He would never coach another game. Did they wait until Paterno set the record to arrest Sandusky? Or is it just a coincidence?

Your post and reference to wins, caused me to be curious as to Penn State's Won/Lost record for the season(s) immediately prior to the 2002 rape in the shower witnessed by McQueary.

The 2000 and 2001 football seasons were dismal years for Paterno and Penn State. After a combined two year record of only 10 wins with 13 losses, a monumental scandal involving the football program was likely the LAST thing Joe Paterno and Penn State needed.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/PSU20002001.png

Support and donations from boosters and alumni are crucial for big time college football. 13 losses versus only 10 wins, coupled with a legendary coach being exposed as a child rapist, could easily have negatively impacted the fisical bottom line and sounded a death knell for Paterno's coaching aspirations.

concentric

11-22-2011, 01:35 PM

[QUOTE=essies;7375733]Which begs the question (I'm not sure if if it was covered in grand jury testimony) of what was on JS's computers. Were they confiscated or a search warrant issued for any at his residence or office! I wonder if JS's victims were subjected to watching porn while with him or if they know of any video taping done in his basement or hotel rooms!:furious:
If they haven't confiscated computers by now-it may be too late to seize anything pertinent to this investigation!:banghead:[/QUOTE
------------

un huh. I'm hoping that someone was covertly gaining that information during all of those years. If not..., Here's my post from thread. I was asking because I had read nothing about it:

11-11-2011, 11:51 AM
concentric

So what about computer forensics?

AlwaysShocked

11-22-2011, 02:19 PM

RE: wikipedia as a source

Most educators do not want to see wikipedia used as a source for a research paper. Because in and of itself it is a compendium or a summary. However, as an initial overview on a subject, it is just fine.

A researcher can often get an overall view of a subject and go from there. Many, many wikipedia articles are sourced - with links provided. So, beginning at wikipedia is fine. We just don't like to see research that begins and ends with only a wikipedia article.

Also, I'm pretty sure the arbitrary changes to wikipedia articles is no longer the case.

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 03:12 PM

RE: wikipedia as a source

Most educators do not want to see wikipedia used as a source for a research paper. Because in and of itself it is a compendium or a summary. However, as an initial overview on a subject, it is just fine.

A researcher can often get an overall view of a subject and go from there. Many, many wikipedia articles are sourced - with links provided. So, beginning at wikipedia is fine. We just don't like to see research that begins and ends with only a wikipedia article.

Also, I'm pretty sure the arbitrary changes to wikipedia articles is no longer the case.

Yes, arbitrary changes are permitted. Often times, however, it is a good place to start researching, if the article has links. :)

HMSHood

11-22-2011, 04:14 PM

RE: wikipedia as a source

Most educators do not want to see wikipedia used as a source for a research paper. Because in and of itself it is a compendium or a summary. However, as an initial overview on a subject, it is just fine.

A researcher can often get an overall view of a subject and go from there. Many, many wikipedia articles are sourced - with links provided. So, beginning at wikipedia is fine. We just don't like to see research that begins and ends with only a wikipedia article.

Also, I'm pretty sure the arbitrary changes to wikipedia articles is no longer the case.

Exactly. Wikipedia does have useful links. However, if I did research, I would avoid it. I rather use books or scholarly journals.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:16 PM

Top Stories

penn state scandal
By Luke O'Brien
Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM

Jerry Sandusky’s Attorney On Hotel Sex And Why Tom Corbett’s Investigation Took So Long

Teenage impregnator and Jerry Sandusky attorney Joe Amendola appeared today on ABC news to say a few things in front of a fake fire and a bad painting. First, he stated the obvious: He expects more charges to be filed against Sandusky.

He then argued—with a twinkle in his eye— that Sandusky couldn't have had repeated sexual contact with boys at his home because he was never alone at his home with boys. A brief transcript of Amendola's conversation with ABC host Jim Avila:

Amendola: "This house was like a hotel, particularly on football weekends."

Avila: "But, Joe, a lot of people have sex in hotels."

Amendola: "You're right they have sex in hotels. But this was a house. And the house was filled with people."

Clarence Darrow this is not. Amendola also defended his client by pointing to how long it took Gov. Tom Corbett, who was Pennsylvania's attorney general at the time, to investigate Sandusky:

If you believe that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile, then you had to believe there was a substantial risk while you were continuing a three-year grand jury investigation which could've resulted in an arrest with the first boy coming forward three years ago.
http://deadspin.com/5861899/

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 04:18 PM

Pensfan, whatever they wind up doing, Sidney Crosby still played great last night!
:) Indeed! No head injury symptoms and he scored two goals and two assists.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:30 PM

n an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

The confrontations came to a head in 2007, according to one former school official, when six football players were charged by police for forcing their way into a campus apartment that April and beating up several students, one of them severely. That September, following a tense meeting with Mr. Paterno over the case, she resigned her post, saying at the time she left because of "philosophical differences."

In a statement Monday, Dr. Triponey said: "There were numerous meetings and discussions about specific and pending student discipline cases that involved football players," which she said included "demands" to adjust the judicial process for football players. The end result, she said, was that football players were treated "more favorably than other students accused of violating the community standards as defined by the student code of conduct." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:34 PM

In 2004, after several incidents involving football players, Mr. Paterno told the Allentown Morning Call newspaper that the players weren't misbehaving any more than usual, but that such news was now more public. "I can go back to a couple guys in the '70s who drove me nuts," he said. "The cops would call me, and I used to put them in bed in my house and run their rear ends off the next day. Nobody knew about it. That's the way we handled it." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet .....................................And nobody knew about it, it was just covered up just like he did with Jerry.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:36 PM

The following day, Dr. Triponey sent an email to Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Puzycki summarizing the meeting and sharing her thoughts and concerns. In the email, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, she said that football players were getting in trouble at a "disproportionate rate" from other students, often for serious acts. She said her staff had tried to work with the athletic department, sometimes sharing information, but that whenever her department initiated an investigation into a football player, the phones lit up. "The calls and pleas from coaches, Board members, and others when we are considering a case are, indeed, putting us in a position that does treat football players differently and with greater privilege." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet

ThoughtFox

11-22-2011, 04:40 PM

The following day, Dr. Triponey sent an email to Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Puzycki summarizing the meeting and sharing her thoughts and concerns. In the email, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, she said that football players were getting in trouble at a "disproportionate rate" from other students, often for serious acts. She said her staff had tried to work with the athletic department, sometimes sharing information, but that whenever her department initiated an investigation into a football player, the phones lit up. "The calls and pleas from coaches, Board members, and others when we are considering a case are, indeed, putting us in a position that does treat football players differently and with greater privilege." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet

Well, that just says it all! :banghead:

I used to tutor athletes when I was a college student, and believe me, it is another world beyond the ordinary university life. At our university, they had their own dorms, cafeteria (with steak instead of fish sticks), tutors, and the coaches were more like parents than teachers. One year the English professors were complaining because the basketball schedule gave the athletes more excused absences than other students, but they were told too bad, so sad. Sports comes first.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 04:44 PM

Top Stories

penn state scandal
By Luke O'Brien
Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM

Jerry Sandusky’s Attorney On Hotel Sex And Why Tom Corbett’s Investigation Took So Long

Teenage impregnator and Jerry Sandusky attorney Joe Amendola appeared today on ABC news to say a few things in front of a fake fire and a bad painting. First, he stated the obvious: He expects more charges to be filed against Sandusky.

He then argued—with a twinkle in his eye— that Sandusky couldn't have had repeated sexual contact with boys at his home because he was never alone at his home with boys. A brief transcript of Amendola's conversation with ABC host Jim Avila:

Amendola: "This house was like a hotel, particularly on football weekends."

Avila: "But, Joe, a lot of people have sex in hotels."

Amendola: "You're right they have sex in hotels. But this was a house. And the house was filled with people."

Clarence Darrow this is not. Amendola also defended his client by pointing to how long it took Gov. Tom Corbett, who was Pennsylvania's attorney general at the time, to investigate Sandusky:

If you believe that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile, then you had to believe there was a substantial risk while you were continuing a three-year grand jury investigation which could've resulted in an arrest with the first boy coming forward three years ago.
http://deadspin.com/5861899/
His wife, Dorothy the enabler, harassed one victim by calling him after knowing that he didn’t want any contact with Sandusky, so she is definitely not going to testify any differently. Other kids, including his own, will likely testify against Sandusky because he was warped in multiple ways in addition to being a child rapist. Here is one example:

In Sandusky’s book, he bragged about how he put his hands around boys’ throats physically threatening them, but then states it was in jest. (Sandusky is huge. Having a huge unknown man threatening to strangle you if you are disobedient is never humorous.)

“Sandusky wrote that one night he was talking to two Second Mile boys who had rebelled against their foster parents, with one boy telling how his foster father had 'grabbed me around the back of my shoulders and he made me do something when I didn't want to do it.'
'Do you ever grab your kids like that?' the boy asked Sandusky.
'No, I don't grab my kids like that,' Sandusky answered. 'I grab them like this.' He wrote: 'With that, I put my hands gently around their throat. It was an apparent jest.

*'I could tell they were totally confused,' Sandusky wrote. 'Both boys had a scared look in their eyes.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060914/Penn-State-scandal-Why-did-Jerry-Sanduskys-wife-Dorothy-abuse-victim.html#ixzz1eTLaVcMw

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:45 PM

That same fall, Dr. Triponey's office suspended Dan Connor, a Penn State linebacker, who had been accused of making harassing calls to a retired assistant coach. Shortly after the suspension was handed down, Mr. Paterno ordered the player to suit up, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dr. Triponey informed the player that if he suited up for practice, he would be in violation of his suspension and could face expulsion. Mr. Connor says he recalled being suspended only for games, not practice.

The incident prompted Mr. Spanier to visit Dr. Triponey at her home. Dr. Triponey confirms he told her that Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school. She says Mr. Spanier told her that if forced to choose, he would choose her over the coach—but that he did not want to have to make that choice.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet
Later, Mr. Connor's suspension was reduced to 10 days, allowing him to return to football.

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 04:47 PM

Two new cases, both under 18: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

wfgodot

11-22-2011, 04:50 PM

Regarding the campus ban on Sandusky's presence following the 2002 shower incident:
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Indeed, eight days before [Sara] Ganim first broke the news of the Sandusky Grand Jury investigation in the Harrisburg Patriot-News, and a year after Patriot-News reporter Ganim first asked Spanier about his knowledge of the investigation, Spanier, Curley and Sandusky all attended a small reception at Beaver Stadium on March 23, 2011, honoring the Penn State wrestling team.
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much more, with pictures of the event also, at link below:

Small 2011 PSU Event: Sandusky, Curley, Spanier (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/small-2011-psu-event-sandusky-curley-spanier-29906) (sportsbybrooks.com)

Filly

11-22-2011, 04:56 PM

Two new cases, both under 18: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

Less than 60 days ago.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 04:57 PM

Two new cases, both under 18: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.htmlWonder if we should look for charges in 3 years or so?

Filly

11-22-2011, 05:01 PM

Top Stories

penn state scandal
By Luke O'Brien
Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM

Jerry Sandusky’s Attorney On Hotel Sex And Why Tom Corbett’s Investigation Took So Long

Teenage impregnator and Jerry Sandusky attorney Joe Amendola appeared today on ABC news to say a few things in front of a fake fire and a bad painting. First, he stated the obvious: He expects more charges to be filed against Sandusky.

He then argued—with a twinkle in his eye— that Sandusky couldn't have had repeated sexual contact with boys at his home because he was never alone at his home with boys. A brief transcript of Amendola's conversation with ABC host Jim Avila:

Amendola: "This house was like a hotel, particularly on football weekends."

Avila: "But, Joe, a lot of people have sex in hotels."

Amendola: "You're right they have sex in hotels. But this was a house. And the house was filled with people."

Clarence Darrow this is not. Amendola also defended his client by pointing to how long it took Gov. Tom Corbett, who was Pennsylvania's attorney general at the time, to investigate Sandusky:

If you believe that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile, then you had to believe there was a substantial risk while you were continuing a three-year grand jury investigation which could've resulted in an arrest with the first boy coming forward three years ago.
http://deadspin.com/5861899/

Seriously?

Even if he lived in a flippin tent and other people were in it this guy could have still assaulted these poor kids.

Man, I'd love to testify that these freaks take the chances especially if they have relatives that put on the blindfolds. I could let them know they'd attack a kid at a lake while a party went on all around them.

This attorney is a piece of work. Could that defense actually work? It's like he knows something we don't.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 05:02 PM

After Dr. Triponey's departure, the university hired Bob Secor, a former vice provost at the school, to head a committee to examine the judicial-review process. Mr. Secor says that Mr. Paterno told him that he didn't think other people should be able to decide whether a football player should be able to play or not. "And we agreed with that," he says.

On Oct. 1, 2007, Mr. Spanier accepted the committee's recommended changes. Under the new rules, the judicial-review process would have only a limited ability to end a student's participation in activities—including football. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=wsj_share_tweet Paterno got what he always got and wanted. No crime by anyone would stop his football.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 05:03 PM

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

CYS will make the determination if the new charges against Sandusky are real? Huh? This better be incorrect. In this terrible case with serial child rapist Sandusky, the Attorney General should be reviewing these and making these decisions.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 05:20 PM

Regarding the campus ban on Sandusky's presence following the 2002 shower incident:

much more, with pictures of the event also, at link below:

Small 2011 PSU Event: Sandusky, Curley, Spanier (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/small-2011-psu-event-sandusky-curley-spanier-29906) (sportsbybrooks.com)

That sportybrooks article is full of spin. That was a huge party for hundreds of individuals involved as boosters for the Penn State wrestling team to honor the wrestling coach. Also in this article, Graham Spaniar is incorrectly stated to be a child psychologist. He has a bachelors degree in political science and a PhD in SOCIOLOGY.....not a child psychologist.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 05:43 PM

Well, that just says it all! :banghead:

I used to tutor athletes when I was a college student, and believe me, it is another world beyond the ordinary university life. At our university, they had their own dorms, cafeteria (with steak instead of fish sticks), tutors, and the coaches were more like parents than teachers. One year the English professors were complaining because the basketball schedule gave the athletes more excused absences than other students, but they were told too bad, so sad. Sports comes first.
Sadly, it is like this at most huge institutions and has been for almost a century. People PAY to see college sports and this brings in money that funds all kinds of other university needs. Like everything else, it is all about the $$$$$$.

When dinosaurs ruled the Earth, I had Human Physiology in a huge auditorium at the University of Oklahoma with no less than 4000 kids in that course. A football star's girlfriend was enrolled in this course and she was allowed to bring their toddler to the lecturers. He ran up and down the uncarpeted stairs frequently falling and crying. No one said anything. The professor knew her name and always welcomed her when she entered the lecture hall.

I was required to take a CPR and First Aid Training as a one hour course at OU like all Nursing majors at that time. This was an easy course so numerous football jocks were enrolled. During the CPR certification exam, one football player BLEW OUT the lungs on the resuscitation dummy. The grad student thought this was hilarious. The nursing students had to beg the local YMCA to quickly offer us another certification exam because an expired CPR card would prohibit us from going to our clinicals.

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 05:54 PM

The entire Centre County bench recused itself from the Sandusky case: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/22/2996200/all-centre-county-judges-recuse.html

wfgodot

11-22-2011, 06:10 PM

That sportybrooks article is full of spin. That was a huge party for hundreds of individuals involved as boosters for the Penn State wrestling team to honor the wrestling coach. Also in this article, Graham Spaniar is incorrectly stated to be a child psychologist. He has a bachelors degree in political science and a PhD in SOCIOLOGY.....not a child psychologist.

Yes, you're right, looks like a reporter's error on Spanier. How that qualifies as "spin" is debatable.

As for the informal get-together, it looks like exactly that - a booster's club function at the end of a successful wrestling season with a "brief program" and casual dress. If that's "a huge party," Penn State's party standards would seem limited.

President Spanier and athletic director Curley were at a function on campus in 2011 also attended by Jerry Sandusky, years after Sandusky was allegedly banned, according to Spanier and Curley, for activities in a Penn State shower. That the ban was unenforceable and that no one limited Sandusky's on-campus visits and that the president and athletic director of the university were at this event, as was Sandusky - this all speaks for itself.

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 06:15 PM

The entire Centre County bench recused itself from the Sandusky case: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/22/2996200/all-centre-county-judges-recuse.html

That's a first for me. Never heard of an entire bench stepping aside.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 06:16 PM

The entire Centre County bench recused itself from the Sandusky case: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/22/2996200/all-centre-county-judges-recuse.html
Good news. ^
Penn State is one of the largest public universities in the USA. It will be challenging to find people outside of Penn State's "6 degrees of separation" who will not appear to be biased towards Penn State or its football connections.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 06:27 PM

Yes, you're right, looks like a reporter's error on Spanier. How that qualifies as "spin" is debatable.

As for the informal get-together, it looks like exactly that - a booster's club function at the end of a successful wrestling season with a "brief program" and casual dress. If that's "a huge party," Penn State's party standards would seem limited.

President Spanier and athletic director Curley were at a function on campus in 2011 also attended by Jerry Sandusky, years after Sandusky was allegedly banned, according to Spanier and Curley, for activities in a Penn State shower. That the ban was unenforceable and that no one limited Sandusky's on-campus visits and that the president and athletic director of the university were at this event, as was Sandusky - this all speaks for itself.
I thought that Sandusky was only banned from the athletic facilities (locker rooms) not celebration parties (honoring the wrestling coach) or other functions in 2002? (He should have been banned from the entire university.... by being sent to prison.)

Exactly how did they inform Sandusky that he was barred from the athletic facility? Was this letter released yet to the press?

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 06:34 PM

How did they inform Sandusky that he was not to enter the athletic facilities anymore? I want to see this correspondence (which you know doesn't exist). What did the President do? Did he send him an email or pull Sandusky aside stating, "Hey dude! It is like really uncool to rape little boys in the university's showers so you can't go in there anymore. K?"

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 06:58 PM

"My concern is if they bring new charges based upon new people coming forth, that bail's going to be set, and he's going to wind up in jail," Amendola told ABC.

The preliminary hearing for Sandusky, who is accused of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period, is now set for Tuesday for Dec. 13 in Bellefonte. It was originally set for December 7.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/penn_state/report%3A-newer-victims-in-sandusky-case-112211

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 07:02 PM

Good news. ^
Penn State is one of the largest public universities in the USA. It will be challenging to find people outside of Penn State's "6 degrees of separation" who will not appear to be biased towards Penn State or its football connections.

Three out of four attended Penn State; one was with the same firm as District Judge Dutchcot. They are not taking any chances.

If this had kept up, we'd need a flow chart. :)

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 07:16 PM

He also took them on out-of-town trips to "use the shower". :(

I've noticed from several older articles and recent media coverage the mention of 'pools' has come up frequently as well. It seems like water locations were/are one of his preferred locations to access his victims.

(my wording isn't good on this post but you know what I mean hopefully)

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 07:25 PM

Yes, you're right, looks like a reporter's error on Spanier. How that qualifies as "spin" is debatable.

As for the informal get-together, it looks like exactly that - a booster's club function at the end of a successful wrestling season with a "brief program" and casual dress. If that's "a huge party," Penn State's party standards would seem limited.

President Spanier and athletic director Curley were at a function on campus in 2011 also attended by Jerry Sandusky, years after Sandusky was allegedly banned, according to Spanier and Curley, for activities in a Penn State shower. That the ban was unenforceable and that no one limited Sandusky's on-campus visits and that the president and athletic director of the university were at this event, as was Sandusky - this all speaks for itself.

You know something that really bothers me about all of this party affair? I looked at each person and each face in every picture in this article. Here's a room full of people who probably bleed Penn State blue. Several of them are probably parents, possibly of 10 year old boys. They are in the same room with a pervert, accused of raping little boys, who is also likely to inflict enormous damage to the university they love as well.

Why are they all smiling? Why doesn't someone look like they're pizzed off? I'm not necessarily saying someone should have beat the crap out of his sorry azz like I would have, but how in the hell are they having such a grand ole time? Sandusky is grinning from ear to ear as if HE were the guest of honor or something.

I just don't understand.

azwriter

11-22-2011, 07:27 PM

How did they inform Sandusky that he was not to enter the athletic facilities anymore? I want to see this correspondence (which you know doesn't exist). What did the President do? Did he send him an email or pull Sandusky aside stating, "Hey dude! It is like really uncool to rape little boys in the university's showers so you can't go in there anymore. K?"

Hmm, I thought Sandusky wasn't banned from using the athletic facilities himself, but rather banned from bringing young boys with him to the facilities. In other words - "Jerry, do this on your own turf. Not here."

Then again, maybe I'm wrong.

just my O

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 07:28 PM

The grand jury investigation took THREE YEARS! Not acceptable, Gov. Corbett!
Thank you for saying it!!! It's ridiculous that it took this long....geezus. All I can do at this point is ask WHY??? it took so long. Kids were being raped/abused and these cases were drug out for years. NOT acceptable.....period!

azwriter

11-22-2011, 07:32 PM

Thank you for saying it!!! It's ridiculous that it took this long....geezus. All I can do at this point is ask WHY??? it took so long. Kids were being raped/abused and these cases were drug out for years. NOT acceptable.....period!

You're right. Entirely too long. But, whatever the reason, I'm sure it had to do with $ MONEY.

just my O

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 07:32 PM

"My concern is if they bring new charges based upon new people coming forth, that bail's going to be set, and he's going to wind up in jail," Amendola told ABC.

The preliminary hearing for Sandusky, who is accused of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period, is now set for Tuesday for Dec. 13 in Bellefonte. It was originally set for December 7.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/penn_state/report%3A-newer-victims-in-sandusky-case-112211

He should have had his sorry a-- sitting in jail already. I'm still trying to understand WHY this child rapist is allowed to walk free and enjoy another holiday :waitasec:. WHY does his hearing date keep getting moved? Hope this predator is NOT getting preferential treatment.

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 07:35 PM

Hmm, I thought Sandusky wasn't banned from using the athletic facilities himself, but rather banned from bringing young boys with him to the facilities. In other words - "Jerry, do this on your own turf. Not here."

Then again, maybe I'm wrong.

just my O
The "ban" was "unenforceable" which I still DO NOT understand that excuse. I am waiting patiently for someone with PS (or any legal entity) to explain why that 'ban" was NOT enforceable :waitasec:.

Rlaub44

11-22-2011, 08:05 PM

I haven't seen this article posted yet - from the Centre Daily Times (State College):

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/21/2994033/charity-ties-widespread.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

Sheds more light on how close the ties are between the Penn State community and the Second Mile.

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 08:11 PM

There's something else I've noticed and I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post about it (mods ?) but.....what pictures and articles are available so far don't seem to have much mention of Jer's wife or any pictures of her with him celebrating.....game wins, 2nd Mile, fund raisers, etc.

Dr.Fessel

11-22-2011, 08:31 PM

LOL LOL LOL The retired defensive coordinator has admitted that he showered with children and now realizes that the admission probably wasn't a good idea, his lawyer said. But Joe Amendola said he believes in his client's innocence. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 08:49 PM

LOL LOL LOL The retired defensive coordinator has admitted that he showered with children and now realizes that the admission probably wasn't a good idea, his lawyer said. But Joe Amendola said he believes in his client's innocence. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html
Why does this remind me of Jose Baez (Joe Amendola) ?

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 08:53 PM

LOL LOL LOL The retired defensive coordinator has admitted that he showered with children and now realizes that the admission probably wasn't a good idea, his lawyer said. But Joe Amendola said he believes in his client's innocence. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

He must have read my blog! :eek:

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 09:19 PM

Regarding the allegations, "we have answers for each of those," Amendola said. He added that of the eight cases against Sandusky, the two victims tied to the most serious allegations are unknown.

Prosecutors "have no victims. They have other people that are saying they saw something happen, but they don't actually have people saying, 'This is what Jerry did to me,' " Amendola said.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

Huh? The boy from Mills Hall told police and CPS that Sandusky raped him even after the principal, Karen Probst, encouraged him not to talk about "that great man".

FloatingStar

11-22-2011, 09:24 PM

Here's something. Struthers on board of Second Mile (and board member of mega-corp MNBA) schmoozing with Curly (disgraced Penn State athletic director).

http://www.psu.edu/ur/archives/intercom_1999/April28/giving.html

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 09:31 PM

There's something else I've noticed and I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post about it (mods ?) but.....what pictures and articles are available so far don't seem to have much mention of Jer's wife or any pictures of her with him celebrating.....game wins, 2nd Mile, fund raisers, etc.
She was busy standing by her man and trying to call a young man who didn't want any further grooming by her husband.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2281384

J. J. in Phila

11-22-2011, 09:45 PM

Regarding the allegations, "we have answers for each of those," Amendola said. He added that of the eight cases against Sandusky, the two victims tied to the most serious allegations are unknown.

Prosecutors "have no victims. They have other people that are saying they saw something happen, but they don't actually have people saying, 'This is what Jerry did to me,' " Amendola said.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

Huh? The boy from Mills Hall told police and CPS that Sandusky raped him even after the principal, Karen Probst, encouraged him not to talk about "that great man".

I think that there will be problems with the charges around Victim 8 (2000). They don't have a victim and the eyewitness has dementia. Unless the victim comes forward, that one could be tossed.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 09:54 PM

There's something else I've noticed and I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post about it (mods ?) but.....what pictures and articles are available so far don't seem to have much mention of Jer's wife or any pictures of her with him celebrating.....game wins, 2nd Mile, fund raisers, etc.

Some of the alleged attacks are believed to have occurred in the couple's home.
So how, many ask, could Dottie Sandusky not have known?
"I've seen it both ways," clinical social worker Farlie Chastain says. "In which the family knows and is in denial."
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16020867/serial-child-sex-abuse-what-could-sanduskys-wife-have-known

Sandusky was a fixated pedophile though. (There are different types of pedos and people who chose children for their sexual gratification.) This means Sandusky only had a sexual interest in children. IMO, Dottie knew because her husband was not interested in her or other women. She may have rationalized his lack of sexual interest as many different things (side effects of blood pressure medicine, the stress of his job, blamed her own appearance, and etc...) but she definitely knew her husband was not sexually "normal".

Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 10:01 PM

I think there's gonna be problems with all the cases. God be with and help them all. I hope all the victims remember the only shame is on (and with) the perpetrator of the crimes.....not them! I hope the victims remain steadfast through all this and become the main reason this predator finally gets put away. He's not the only one that needs to be prosecuted though.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 10:07 PM

This expresses some very logical thought related to whether Sandusky's wife knew of his pedophilia:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/128466/how_could_jerry_sanduskys_wife

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 10:30 PM

Sandusky was invited to numerous events and asked to speak at numerous events. He attended numerous fundraisers for Second Mile and these events always include photos for the "society page" of local newspapers and benefactors' newsletters, but there is only one photo of Sandusky's wife on the internet. Where was she? Hmmmm.
dottie sandusky - Google Search

FloatingStar

11-22-2011, 10:31 PM

Well it's about time the focus is also on the high school:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 10:34 PM

More and more pictures of Sandusky have emerged but.....his wife is not in any of them.....none of them. Not even the 2nd mile photos. To me, that is significant in this child predator case.

HMSHood

11-22-2011, 10:34 PM

This expresses some very logical thought related to whether Sandusky's wife knew of his pedophilia:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/128466/how_could_jerry_sanduskys_wife

That's raising red flags.

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 10:40 PM

This article is really disturbing. Sandusky was allowed to stalk the halls of the middle school AND the high school. Adults were not willing to stop this predator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 10:46 PM

Welcome to Websleuths, FloatingStar!
:welcome:

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 10:49 PM

Everyone was too blinded by his (Sandusky) local celebrity status. Even though the 'rumors' were floating out there for 'at least' the last decade......MOST.....'seemed' to have had 'no knowledge' of Jer's proclivities.....hmmmm.

essies

11-22-2011, 10:55 PM

Some of the alleged attacks are believed to have occurred in the couple's home.
So how, many ask, could Dottie Sandusky not have known?
"I've seen it both ways," clinical social worker Farlie Chastain says. "In which the family knows and is in denial."
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16020867/serial-child-sex-abuse-what-could-sanduskys-wife-have-known

Sandusky was a fixated pedophile though. (There are different types of pedos and people who chose children for their sexual gratification.) This means Sandusky only had a sexual interest in children. IMO, Dottie knew because her husband was not interested in her or other women. She may have rationalized his lack of sexual interest as many different things (side effects of blood pressure medicine, the stress of his job, blamed her own appearance, and etc...) but she definitely knew her husband was not sexually "normal".

Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

He married Dottie Gross in 1966, the year he graduated from Penn State. He'd met her at a picnic the previous summer and although he was shy and awkward around girls, his mother pushed him to pursue the relationship
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/19/us/sandusky-memoir-profile/index.html

It maybe nothing more than a mother noticing a nice girl and pushing a relationship she wanted for her son (Done that:innocent:) or maybe JS's mom noticed some little hinky things about JS that made her wanting him settled down to ground him! We'll never know as his mom is deceased and Dottie will never talk!!:banghead:

BigCat

11-22-2011, 11:03 PM

Here's a story in from the New York Times about victim 1 (the combinaton of water and eroticism seem to be a pattern):

The friend said he did not have a swimsuit. Sandusky, he recalled, said not to worry — he kept spare trunks for boys in his car. At the hotel, the friend said, the four of them changed into their swimsuits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 11:03 PM

Regarding the allegations, "we have answers for each of those," Amendola said. He added that of the eight cases against Sandusky, the two victims tied to the most serious allegations are unknown.

Prosecutors "have no victims. They have other people that are saying they saw something happen, but they don't actually have people saying, 'This is what Jerry did to me,' " Amendola said.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

Huh? The boy from Mills Hall told police and CPS that Sandusky raped him even after the principal, Karen Probst, encouraged him not to talk about "that great man".

Pretty incredible statement for this attorney to make, isn't it?

Prosecutors "have no victims. They have other people that are saying they saw something happen, but they don't actually have people saying, 'This is what Jerry did to me,' " Amendola said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

Umm, hate to break it to you counselor, but Victim 1 certainly IS saying "what Ole Jer did to him":

Victim One revealed that for nearly two years he was subjected to various sexual acts by Sandusky.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?page=1

mahmoo

11-22-2011, 11:15 PM

I have faith that most....if not all, of Sandusky's victims are going to come forward. I hate even calling them 'victims' at this point though. I'd prefer to call them 'advocates' at this time! I hope I speak for the masses when I say we are behind you guys all the way!!! Stand your ground and DON'T back down.

BigCat

11-22-2011, 11:28 PM

Well it's about time the focus is also on the high school:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

Make sure you read that article I linked to from the New York Times. Apparently school officials fired victims 1's track coach because his relationship with the boy "drifted into the friend zone." I guess it's better late than never for school officials to be concerned about the appropriateness of such relationships. :banghead:

Reader

11-22-2011, 11:28 PM

If credible, the latest cases would further raise questions about why authorities waited so long to arrest the former Penn State coach.

By Greg Howard | Posted Tuesday, Nov. 22, 2011, at 5:23 PM ET

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/22/jerry_sandusky_s_trial_delayed_one_week.html.html

UPDATE: The Patriot-News has its latest scoop: Pennsylvania’s Children and Youth Services has opened two new cases of child abuse against Jerry Sandusky in the past 60 days.

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"[T]hese would be the first known cases to be reported since Sandusky’s arrest that involve current children. All of the other publicly known cases of alleged victims coming forward have been adults.

"In Pennsylvania, when an adult comes forward and alleges abuse -- even if it happened when that person was a child -- it’s solely a police matter. CYS only participates in the investigation if the victim is still under 18."

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Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that the Pennsylvania court system has announced that all "the judges in Penn State's home county [have] removed themselves from potentially presiding over the child sex-abuse case against former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky and will be replaced by outside jurists."...........Former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky’s preliminary hearing has been pushed back a week to Tuesday, December 13, the Associated Press reports.

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Sandusky’s attorney Joe Amendola told ABC News that he expects more alleged victims to step forward in the coming weeks, and more charges for Sandusky. If that happens, Sandusky’s bail will likely be raise or revoked, possibly leaving him waiting out the days until his trial in jail.

More at link...

ThoughtFox

11-22-2011, 11:35 PM

This article is really disturbing. Sandusky was allowed to stalk the halls of the middle school AND the high school. Adults were not willing to stop this predator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

That's a great in-depth article. People were wondering who "outed" the boy at the High School, and guess what? It was the football coach who was also the Assistant Principal! He announced it at a parent's meeting! OMG

I think the Coach and Principal Probst should be fired, and soon. They didn't file any reports, and tried to talk the mother of Victim One into ignoring the whole thing. Scummy behavior for so-called "educators." :banghead:

Pensfan

11-22-2011, 11:38 PM

This article has a rare comment about Sandusky’s wife’s activities. While Sandusky was romancing indigent little boys with swimming and later with video games at his home one evening, Sarge (Jerry Sandusty's nickname for his wife) was chatting with a female friend that was visiting her.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

Trident

11-22-2011, 11:43 PM

This article is really disturbing. Sandusky was allowed to stalk the halls of the middle school AND the high school. Adults were not willing to stop this predator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal

That article disgusted me. In my opinion some sort of action needs to be taken against these school officials, and the mother needs to SUE. I just couldn't believe what I was reading, it made me sick, angry, and disgusted.

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 11:43 PM

Keep on talking mister lawyer manz and the prosecution won’t have to say anything.

You’ll make their case for em:

Sandusky’s attorney Joe Amendola told ABC News that he expects more alleged victims to step forward

“If you believe that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile, then you had to believe there was a substantial risk.”

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/22/jerry_sandusky_s_trial_delayed_one_week.html.html

Amendola said Sandusky once spent a night alone in a hotel room with the boy during a trip sponsored by Second Mile.

Amendola admitted that Sandusky gave gifts to many children

“He would hug kids, he kissed kids”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

he showered with children

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

What’s that old saying....Give em enough rope and they’ll hang themselves?

Reader

11-22-2011, 11:47 PM

This expresses some very logical thought related to whether Sandusky's wife knew of his pedophilia:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/128466/how_could_jerry_sanduskys_wife

She's an enabler...didn't want her own life to be disrupted and probably accepted this situation long ago...she even attempted to contact one of the GJ victims to try to protect her husband...

Concerned Papa

11-22-2011, 11:52 PM

"Everyone has rushed to judgment" Amendola said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-scandal/index.html

Umm.....how many decades long was this "rush", mister lawyer manz?

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 12:13 AM

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-suspects-lawyer-victim-lied-felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

J. J. in Phila

11-23-2011, 12:33 AM

Umm.....how many decades long was this "rush", mister lawyer manz?

Ah, maybe because he admitted some of it in front of 2 cops and the victim's mother.

mahmoo

11-23-2011, 12:40 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
From your link.....
The friend walked a few blocks to the boy’s house, and soon a man pulled up in a silver Cadillac sedan. “This is Jerry,” the boy said to his friend. The friend said he recognized Sandusky as the man who would occasionally pick up the boy early from school. Sandusky, according to the friend, then picked up another child and suggested that the four of them all go swimming.

The friend said he did not have a swimsuit. Sandusky, he recalled, said not to worry — he kept spare trunks for boys in his car. At the hotel, the friend said, the four of them changed into their swimsuits.

In the pool, Sandusky instigated a game of touch football, the friend said.
Great article everyone needs to take the time to read.
b&ubm

Reader

11-23-2011, 12:58 AM

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-suspects-lawyer-victim-lied-felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

geez...does he even realize what he's saying?

Keep talkin' lawyer...you're a lot of help...to the prosecutors!

J. J. in Phila

11-23-2011, 01:06 AM

Ironically, I've vaguely familiar with Mr. Amendola's record, and he's had a lot of successes.

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 01:28 AM

Less than 60 days ago.

From your link:

"that involve current children" :furious:

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 01:41 AM

Regarding the campus ban on Sandusky's presence following the 2002 shower incident:

much more, with pictures of the event also, at link below:

Small 2011 PSU Event: Sandusky, Curley, Spanier (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/small-2011-psu-event-sandusky-curley-spanier-29906) (sportsbybrooks.com)

Re: those photos - I found that series about a week ago and there was another photo that really raised my eyebrow(s). I'm going to look for it right now because I don't see it in that group. I can't remember the name I was looking for at that point but I saved a screenshot for future reference.

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 01:47 AM

Here it is. At what appears to be the same wrestling event.

PHOTO:

http://i.imgur.com/3Djdj.png
http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/photoalbum/open_image.php?id=33725&PHPSESSID=1d69192e4b89708840768f38de971e1a

And from an old article:

"Officer Darrell Zaccagni's voice takes on the air of urgency as he gets to the meat of his story, the part where Ray Gricar stops being an aloof acquaintance and becomes the main focus of his job."

(It's from a copied/pasted article at a website/message board)

District Attorney Ray Frank Gricar - Cold Case Investigations

also -

Zaccagni says initially, suicide seemed likely because Gricar’s behavior had changed, according to his girlfriend, Patty.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756052/ns/dateline_nbc/t/missing-district-attorney/#.TsyYmHNp2jY

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 02:02 AM

This article has a rare comment about Sandusky’s wife’s activities. While Sandusky was romancing indigent little boys with swimming and later with video games at his home one evening, Sarge (Jerry Sandusty's nickname for his wife) was chatting with a female friend that was visiting her.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/for-victim-1-in-penn-states-sandusky-scandal-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

From your link to the NY Times article:

Sure. So everyone is supposed to believe Sandusky's word but doubt his victims' words.

Amendola said Sandusky once spent a night alone in a hotel room with the boy during a trip sponsored by Second Mile. But he insisted he had paid for a pull-out cot in the hotel room, and that he had turned over receipts to investigators to prove it.

I have no doubt he paid for a pull-out cot. After all, he was a quasi-expert at covering up his obsession.

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 04:11 AM

You know something that really bothers me about all of this party affair? I looked at each person and each face in every picture in this article. Here's a room full of people who probably bleed Penn State blue. Several of them are probably parents, possibly of 10 year old boys. They are in the same room with a pervert, accused of raping little boys, who is also likely to inflict enormous damage to the university they love as well.

Why are they all smiling? Why doesn't someone look like they're pizzed off? I'm not necessarily saying someone should have beat the crap out of his sorry azz like I would have, but how in the hell are they having such a grand ole time? Sandusky is grinning from ear to ear as if HE were the guest of honor or something.

I just don't understand.

I went through all 63 pics at this link and FINALLY found someone like I was talking about above.

http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/photoalbum/open_image.php?id=33733&PHPSESSID=1d69192e4b89708840768f38de971e1a

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/ThrowDaBumOut.jpg

Mr. Bell's expression and gesture seem to scream "THROW DA BUM OUTTA HERE!".

Possibly a man after my own heart.

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 06:00 AM

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/RightCross.jpg

I just noticed this gal. She's got a cocktail in her left hand and looks like she's telling this guy "Either YOU get his sorry azz out of here or I'll put a right cross up side his head that'll put his lights out!"

I think I'm in love.......

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 08:40 AM

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public...........despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2011/11/23/scandal_puts_psu_football_discipline_in_spotlight/?page=1

Joe Paterno started the 21st century with four losing seasons in five years and faced growing calls for his dismissal. IMO, considering the pressure he was already under in 2002, after being made aware of what McQueary witnessed in the team shower, fulfilling his moral obligation of protecting the child was neglected and covered up to protect his own interest and $1,000,000.00 per year salary.

The boy was only TEN YEARS OLD, Joe. :furious:

concentric

11-23-2011, 09:45 AM

Well it's about time the focus is also on the high school:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html?ref=penn-state-scandal
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Re: The above news article

I want to say thank you to the victim, the victim's mom (who never gave up), the fired track coach, the few intrepid investigative reporters who are getting the real story, the websleuths and other people similarly concerned with getting to the truth.

I am very aware, painfully so, that there are some real rotten apples in school system who will try to cover their sorry azzes by very deviously throwing any, victims, "underlings" or "troublesome" parents under the bus in order to preserve their tenuous employment. Hope you have a happy thanksgiving. I am thoroughly disgusted. May the Lord find you out.

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 09:48 AM

Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) will flip over this:

Lawyer Joe Amendola told ABC News that Victim 1 reacted against Sandusky's demands that the boy work harder to achieve his goals. "When you push and they don't want you to," Amendola said, "they react.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-suspects-lawyer-victim-lied-felt-important/story?id=15007125#.Tsx_781fqeY

Like I said, keep on talking mr. lawyer manz. You'll hang the freak yourself.

concentric

11-23-2011, 10:16 AM

We still haven't heard about any computers seized. Or am I wrong about that? How many computers and their data would have been implicated in this case? I am almost certain that there are other employees in other institutions who will have shared interests with Sandusky and would have hosted, shared, encouraged and covered for the perp.

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Ray Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

So many unanswered questions.

J. J. in Phila

11-23-2011, 10:46 AM

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Roy Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

It is Ray Gricar. (RFG)

It would be hugely unlikely for the data to be exclusively on that laptop. RFG didn't own it in 1998.

There is no file in the DA's Office, according to CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/18/acd.02.html That might be too unusual, since either they didn't keep paperwork on rejected cases, or that the files might have been purged after a certain period of time.

Quiche

11-23-2011, 10:57 AM

The "ban" was "unenforceable" which I still DO NOT understand that excuse. I am waiting patiently for someone with PS (or any legal entity) to explain why that 'ban" was NOT enforceable :waitasec:.

I do know the answer to this, I read it last week some time in an article that explained Sandusky retired as a professor emeritus and access to the facilities is part and parcel of those benefits. They'd have to go in and revoke his privileges via that method-- a lengthy complicated one. Of course, the University can limit the children's access, and I hope they have.

But, he'll be in prison soon and that'll do it.

moo

concentric

11-23-2011, 11:00 AM

It is Ray Gricar. (RFG)

It would be hugely unlikely for the data to be exclusively on that laptop. RFG didn't own it in 1998.

There is no file in the DA's Office, according to CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/18/acd.02.html That might be too unusual, since either they didn't keep paperwork on rejected cases, or that the files might have been purged after a certain period of time.
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Sorry. I had a typographical error, put an o instead of an a. Sorry. I corrected my error, but apparently did not get it resolved in time.

Still think that the data on Mr. Gricar's computer was important to this case.

concentric

11-23-2011, 11:01 AM

When I think of "vulnerable children," and coverups, I have to refer to this:

Casa Pia child sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scandal broke in September 2002 when the mother of one alleged victim, known as Joel, complained of abuse by staff at a Casa Pia house.[1]
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Just wait, there is a case of a school for deaf children in the U.S. where they were sexually abused. Also, we will be hearing about other cases in the U.S. that have never been adequately investigated.

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 12:00 PM

We still haven't heard about any computers seized. Or am I wrong about that? How many computers and their data would have been implicated in this case? I am almost certain that there are other employees in other institutions who will have shared interests with Sandusky and would have hosted, shared, encouraged and covered for the perp.

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Ray Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

So many unanswered questions.
IMO, it is likely that we will soon read that Second Mile had a massive computer system overhaul years ago which required them to get all new computers (read: the administrators' hard drives experienced tragic accidents which involved a hammer).

So far we have heard that Sandusky paid for hotels, food, clothing, sports equipment, and computers for his victims. We read he was calling one child long distance, so he likely had a sizable long distance phone bill to several little boys.

It would be interesting to know who was approving Sandusky's expenses. Anyone want to bet these are the records that are missing?

I want to know if Second Mile's CEO, Dr. Jack Raykovitz (a PhD child psychologist who definitely had the knowledge to recognize a pedophile's behavior) approved of Sandusky's expenses. It is possible that Sandusky paid for some of his dating/grooming expenses out of his own personal income.

One of Dottie's good friends needs to strongly encourage her to tell the police what she suspected her husband of doing and why she suspected him. Dottie's adult children need her to exhibit the highest moral behavior now. Although her adult children will forever be tainted by the sickening child rapes that their dad committed, they should not have to feel more shame by any coverup by their mom.

FloatingStar

11-23-2011, 12:15 PM

We still haven't heard about any computers seized. Or am I wrong about that? How many computers and their data would have been implicated in this case? I am almost certain that there are other employees in other institutions who will have shared interests with Sandusky and would have hosted, shared, encouraged and covered for the perp.

Who was/is blocking the investigation into the computer data? Or, does someone have that already safeguarded? What happened to Mr. Ray Gricar's data? Was it really lost in the river?

So many unanswered questions.

This article shows that Sandusky was trying to construct a defense a few years ago so there has been plenty of time to clean and disappear evidence

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/21/8935748-jerry-sandusky-clingy-says-man-mentored-by-former-penn-state-asst-coach

"In one of their last conversations a few years ago, Probst said that Sandusky asked him if if he’d be willing to testify in his defense. Investigators had already reached out to Probst for questioning."

concentric

11-23-2011, 12:15 PM

I think that in large part, the reason why these pervs. are allowed to continue, is that so many people who would otherwise be willing to stop them, mentally block out what they find repugnant. I think this must be the case with the wife. She may be psychologically unable to confront such thoughts. Don't know for sure if that is the reason.

I have a question regarding the wife. Is she allowed to testify against her husband? I haven't kept up with the legalities of that.

concentric

11-23-2011, 12:31 PM

Must be a lot of "uncomfortable" Thanksgiving Day dinners people are attending.

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 12:37 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html

Karen Probst, principal at Central Mountain High School in Mill Hall, Pa, is a mandated child abuse reporter, but she refused to report Sandusky to the police. She needs to be arrested for being a pedophile enabler. She should be fired immediately and her teaching license revoked forever.

http://www.kcsd.k12.pa.us/230520112213618430/site/default.asp
Which of these guidance counselors refused to report the sexual assault upon a child by Jerry Sandusky? One (or perhaps all?) of these women is a pedophile enabler. The school board needs to immediately fire whoever knew about the claim against Sandusky, but did nothing to protect that child and other children.
Ms. CA
Mrs. CD
Miss RS
CK
Ms. TM

Coach Steven Turchetta at Central Mountain High School in Mill Hall, Pa is also a mandated reporter and didn't report the sexual abuse claim. He is a pedophile enabler. He should be arrested. He must be fired and his teaching license should be revoked forever.

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 12:48 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/22/penn-state-scandal-jerry-sandusky-victim-mother_n_1108979.html

I just now read this article and was checking the thread to see if it had been posted.

If true, this is shocking:

Shocked, she asked the grandmother how she found out. Mother One recalls the woman responding that Turchetta brought it up at his weekly football parent meeting, presumably with family members of the football team.

And this as well (if true):

Although Turchetta didn't coach her son directly, his role as assistant principal and his involvement in the sports department gave him influence over other sports programs within the school. Mother One claims her son developed a close bond with a 28-year-old volunteer coach, which Turchetta abruptly ended.

One day, she recalled, her son told her that Turchetta was in his face, yelling at him: "With what you've done already, no 28-year-old man needs to be around you."

BBM

^This is definitely in keeping with yesterday's NY Times story - as reported from an interview of the fired volunteer coach.

FloatingStar

11-23-2011, 12:53 PM

I want to know if Second Mile's CEO, Dr. Jack Raykovitz (a PhD child psychologist who definitely had the knowledge to recognize a pedophile's behavior) approved of Sandusky's expenses. It is possible that Sandusky paid for some of his dating/grooming expenses out of his own personal income.

Good to bring that up. Raykovitz seems to have slipped under the radar. Yet he is a very primary alleged scumbag in the scandal.

wfgodot

11-23-2011, 12:54 PM

Is Jerry Sandusky Also a Victim? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joel-cohen/jerry-sandusky-grand-jury_b_1109885.html) (Huffington Post)
How Grand Juries In Pennsylvania Make It Impossible For Jerry Sandusky To Get A Fair Trial

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Rather, Jerry Sandusky has been found guilty because the Attorney General of Pennsylvania has de facto violated his rights. To be sure, in such a horrible case, one is inclined to side with the prosecutor. It is hard to criticize a prosecutor who, after many years of what looks like a cover-up by Penn State officials, has finally been able through a painstaking investigation to acquire evidence and expose Sandusky's serial crimes. The truth, however, is that in issuing the ubiquitous Grand Jury Report (or "presentment"), which ostensibly was used merely to describe the grand jury's "findings" -- the Attorney General has inescapably proven in the public's mind Sandusky's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Can any trial jury selected to decide this case conceivably find Sandusky not guilty given what the public already has learned from the clearly incendiary Report which countless press websites incorrectly identify as the Sandusky Indictment?
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much more at link above

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 12:54 PM

"With what you've done already, no 28-year-old man needs to be around you."

This one sentence, again, if true, might illustrate best why children have been hushed into silence over the years/centuries.

(Off topic for a moment) - One of my close friend's once relayed the story of an elderly male neighbor forcing her sit on his lap when she was just four or five years old. He was sitting in the garage in his underwear when this occurred. Even at that age she knew this was very wrong and she was very frightened. She told her older sister who in turn told their mother and her response was to tell the girls to never go near his house again. This would have been in the 1960s and the solution was, in a word, avoidance.

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 12:56 PM

http://www.kcsd.k12.pa.us/2302108291447997/blank/browse.asp?A=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&C=56326

Here is the list of the board of directors that must immediate fire the mandated child abuse reporters, Karen Probst, a guidance counselor, and Coach Steven Turette (at Central Mountain High School in Mill Hall, Pa) who refused to report Jerry Sandusky after a child stated he had sexually molested him. They might need to be reminded to act in a responsible manner to protect children by removing pedophile enablers from their school staff. Their email addresses can be found under their names at the link above.

Mr. Wayne Koch

Mr. Charles Rosamilia

Mr. Thomas Shafer

Mr. Jerry Swope

Mr. William Smith

Mr. Jack Peters

Mr. Jeff Snyder

Mr. James Knauff

Mr. Steve Murray

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 01:35 PM

A CNN anchor just spoke with Sara Ganim (reporter, Patriot News) regarding the two latest victims of alleged abuse.

Apparently one is a family member and (I caught this on the run) there's a divorce involved.

Amendola mentioned Sandusky may end up going to jail because of the possibility of the bail being raised (the latest alleged victims are still under the age of 18).

Quiche

11-23-2011, 02:00 PM

Well here's something that might help Dottie crack:

Attorney: Jerry Sandusky family member made recent allegation

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

FloatingStar

11-23-2011, 02:05 PM

Well here's something that might help Dottie crack:

Attorney: Jerry Sandusky family member made recent allegation

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

Didn't see the family member thing in that article link but found it in this:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sandusky-Family-Member-Made-Recent-Allegation-Attorney-134408003.html

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 02:18 PM

Well here's something that might help Dottie crack:

Attorney: Jerry Sandusky family member made recent allegation

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/two_more_child_abuse_investiga.html

I'd love to see her crack and write a book:

"Jerry Sandusky, The UNtouched Version"

(OK, OK, I saw that on Twitter a couple of days ago......)

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 02:34 PM

The attorney for Jerry Sandusky says one of the two new cases of alleged sexual abuse under investigation by Children and Youth Services was made by a family member of Sandusky.

The Patriot-News reported yesterday that the new cases were reported less than 60 days ago and are in the initial stages of investigation.

Attorney Joe Amendola said the allegations stem from difficulties within the child's immediate family. He said the assault is alleged to have occurred prior to Sandusky's arrest earlier this month, but was not brought to the authorities attention until after the former Penn State http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/attorney_jerry_sandusky_family.html

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 02:39 PM

I'd love to see her crack and write a book:

"Jerry Sandusky, The UNtouched Version"

(OK, OK, I saw that on Twitter a couple of days ago......) It was reported at the first that Jerry's adopted son Matt wanted to take his kids to his dads after he was arrested and the kids mom filed a restraining order and Dottie called the mom and begged her to let the kids come over and Jerry would never hurt them.

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 02:46 PM

But Matt wanted to be returned to the Sanduskys, and he was, remaining loyal to the now disgraced former coach to this day.

And that's brought him into a new dispute with his ex-wife Jill Jones, with whom he has three children.

Jones went to court last week and obtained an order prohibiting Matt from allowing the kids from staying overnight with their grandparents.

She did it even after her former mother-in-law Dorothy called to assure her the children would be safe, The Daily Mail reports that court records reveal. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/penn-state-sex-scandal-jerry-sandusky-adopted-son-suicide-attempt

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 03:16 PM

In a recent court petition, Jill Jones filed a petition for emergency modification of custody, asking that Sandusky’s son, Matthew, not be allowed to take their three children to Jerry and Dorothy Sandusky’s home. Jones and Matthew Sandusky share custody of the children, ages 5, 7 and 9.

The complaint states the children “regularly” have been in their grandparents’ care while with their father. Upon learning of the charges against Jerry Sandusky, Jones asked Matthew Sandusky not to take the children to his home, the complaint said.

“Mother does not believe that it is in the best interests of her children to be at Jerry Sandusky’s residence or in the presence of Jerry Sandusky until such time as the current serious allegations against him are resolved by the courts,” the complaint stated.

Kistler, on Nov. 7, signed an order in response that required the children to be supervised — it does not specify by whom — when in Jerry Sandusky’s presence, and banning overnight visits. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/15/v-print/130320/sanduskys-bail-second-mile-link.html

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 03:58 PM

Is Jerry Sandusky Also a Victim? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joel-cohen/jerry-sandusky-grand-jury_b_1109885.html) (Huffington Post)
How Grand Juries In Pennsylvania Make It Impossible For Jerry Sandusky To Get A Fair Trial

much more at link above

That is a good article but I really disagree with the author. People can be very fair and look at the evidence only in a trial and base their findings on that. I believe Jerry is as guilty as heck but I would have no problem setting that aside like the law says if I was on the jury.

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 04:16 PM

One of the authors of that article with the title suggesting that Sandusky is also a victim was Joel Cohen. He is an experienced white-collar criminal lawyer who is now......wait for it...........a defense attorney. No surprise.
http://www.stroock.com/sitecontent.cfm?contentID=49&itemID=366

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 04:29 PM

It was reported at the first that Jerry's adopted son Matt wanted to take his kids to his dads after he was arrested and the kids mom filed a restraining order and Dottie called the mom and begged her to let the kids come over and Jerry would never hurt them.

And she would know this how?

Between this and those phone calls to the victim testifying to the grand jury, I'm starting to have an issue or two with Ms Dottie....

Salem

11-23-2011, 04:34 PM

Good afternoon, everyone. Just a reminder that calling for a mass mailing or boycotting has to be approved by the site's owners, Tricia and SoSue. I removed one post and will remove any others, until Tricia and/or SoSue have been contacted and have given their permission for any such activities.

Thanks,

Salem

Salem

11-23-2011, 04:40 PM

That is a good article but I really disagree with the author. People can be very fair and look at the evidence only in a trial and base their findings on that. I believe Jerry is as guilty as heck but I would have no problem setting that aside like the law says if I was on the jury.

Well, look how much it hurt Casey A to have her whole case released before it went to trial under FL's sunshine laws. If anything - it helped her because in my opinion she was guilty as sin.

Sandusky is not a victim - under any circumstances.

Salem

justathought

11-23-2011, 04:45 PM

The one thing I just can't understand at all...is why at the very onset investigators didn't leap in and take the Sandusky computers...even in the 1998 case. It just doesn't make sense. So were those original investigations, investigations at all? Or were they "pretend" investigations. We are going to say we're looking in to this...wink, wink. The cybercrimes unit in our AG's office...leap in everywhere, frequently.

As to the NY Times story on victim number one...it certainly shot any anonymity he had left....but on the other hand, it shows a school still covering up......more so than than looking out for its "coaches". A demonstration of the reputation Sandusky had carefully constructed.

To be fair, my former brother-in-law also a high school football coach was once falsely accues by a young female student...it cost a lawyer but was quickly resolved and he was absolved and the student admitted she made it up because she was angry with her mother of all things. So the false accusations do happen but looking at what the victim's friends said and the multiplicity of incidents...making up just doesnt' seem likely.

I fear for what will happen with all of this. The truth in cases like these doesn't always prevail.

concentric

11-23-2011, 04:47 PM

"With what you've done already, no 28-year-old man needs to be around you."

This one sentence, again, if true, might illustrate best why children have been hushed into silence over the years/centuries.

(Off topic for a moment) - One of my close friend's once relayed the story of an elderly male neighbor forcing her sit on his lap when she was just four or five years old. He was sitting in the garage in his underwear when this occurred. Even at that age she knew this was very wrong and she was very frightened. She told her older sister who in turn told their mother and her response was to tell the girls to never go near his house again. This would have been in the 1960s and the solution was, in a word, avoidance.
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"With what you've done already"...

You are so right about that, LRinCA. The perp pervs. psychologically beat these children into thinking that they are the ones who did something wrong, then they guilt them into silence.

A similar tactic was used by perv. priests, etc., when they raped children, they told them that if they told, they would go to Hell, because they were the ones who were bad. I also make this present tense, because it's still going on!

:furious:

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 04:52 PM

Has anyone heard mr. <modsnip> say a word about his client's right to a speedy trial, or is he perfectly content to drag it out?

BigCat

11-23-2011, 05:53 PM

The one thing I just can't understand at all...is why at the very onset investigators didn't leap in and take the Sandusky computers...even in the 1998 case. It just doesn't make sense. So were those original investigations, investigations at all? Or were they "pretend" investigations. We are going to say we're looking in to this...wink, wink. The cybercrimes unit in our AG's office...leap in everywhere, frequently.

Sandusky is over 60, an ex-football coach and not particularly bright. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even own a computer. I'm not defending the inaction of the AG's office. Just thought that I would throw that out there as a possiblity.

concentric

11-23-2011, 06:01 PM

Sandusky is over 60, an ex-football coach and not particularly bright. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even own a computer. I'm not defending the inaction of the AG's office. Just thought that I would throw that out there as a possiblity.
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I think that Sandusky had unfettered access to many computers, including those he bought himself, or for his victims. In fact, I'd go as far to say that he was regularly communicating with a network of other persons with, shall we say, similar interests?

No doubt he is bright, criminally bright. And, it is said that he bought "electronics" for his victims.

essies

11-23-2011, 06:02 PM

Sandusky is over 60, an ex-football coach and not particularly bright. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even own a computer. I'm not defending the inaction of the AG's office. Just thought that I would throw that out there as a possiblity.

I agree that JS is not particularly bright-but he is dumb like a fox and a master manipulater too. I think since one of the presents he was giving to the boys were computers that he knew his way around a PC very well and probably had some "friends" of his ilk that he may have hooked up with online and possibly exchanged material with! :furious:
I'm hoping he was overconfident enough to have left some material on there or at the very least dumb enough to think he could erase material and kept the hard drives!:waitasec:

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 06:08 PM

So Sad, too Bad...................... A source close to the Paterno family says Sue Paterno was told to leave a Penn State campus pool where she normally works out.

No reason was given, the source told The Patriot-News, and when reached by email, university spokesman Bill Mahon said, "I have heard nobody discuss this."

Sue Paterno is the wife of legendary former head football coach Joe Paterno, who was fired after allegations of child sexual abuse were filed against his former assistant Jerry Sandusky. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sue_paterno_told_she_cant_use.html

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 06:17 PM

Has anyone heard mr. <modsnip> say a word about his client's right to a speedy trial, or is he perfectly content to drag it out?
He may not be worried about a speedy trial. Perhaps increasing his billable hours, increasing his notoriety from this high profile case, and increasing the possibility that accusers and witnesses will disappear/die/or change their mind about testifying are more important than a speedy trial.

concentric

11-23-2011, 06:22 PM

So Sad to Bad...................... A source close to the Paterno family says Sue Paterno was told to leave a Penn State campus pool where she normally works out.

sue_paterno_told_she_cant_use.html[/url]

I have only two criticisms of your post, Dr. Fessel. Please add another "o" to:
the word "to" in So Sad to Bad. Also, a comma after So Sad.

Thank you for your attention to this "egregious" error. :crazy:

Don't worry, you won't go to Hell; however, I think that there are some people who might...

Emeralgem

11-23-2011, 06:29 PM

Sandusky is over 60, an ex-football coach and not particularly bright. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even own a computer. I'm not defending the inaction of the AG's office. Just thought that I would throw that out there as a possiblity.

Sandusky, from what I understand, is just a few months older than I am... I really can't attest to how bright he is or isn't but I will assume he is somewhat educated since he graduated from college....BTW.. I own a computer and even use it on a daily basis...JMHO....

katydid23

11-23-2011, 06:31 PM

So one of his new accusers is a " family member?'

Ugghhhh. I wonder if it is one of the adoptees or foster children. It has always bothered me that he had that many adopted kids and we know he is a pedophile. It made me worry that he messed with them too. :mad:

essies

11-23-2011, 06:37 PM

So one of his new accusers is a " family member?'

Ugghhhh. I wonder if it is one of the adoptees or foster children. It has always bothered me that he had that many adopted kids and we know he is a pedophile. It made me worry that he messed with them too. :mad:

I'm assuming it's one of the adopted children cause I'm not sure you would consider "foster children" family in a legal sense. But, maybe you would! I'm thinking if it's not Matt he better say something cause I'm sure most people are thinking it is since his bio mom and ex-wife have spoken loudly-one to the media and one thru the courts!!:waitasec:

HMSHood

11-23-2011, 06:40 PM

So one of his new accusers is a " family member?'

Ugghhhh. I wonder if it is one of the adoptees or foster children. It has always bothered me that he had that many adopted kids and we know he is a pedophile. It made me worry that he messed with them too. :mad:

Frankly, I am not surprised about this.

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 06:42 PM

I have only two criticisms of your post, Dr. Fessel. Please add another "o" to:
the word "to" in So Sad to Bad. Also, a comma after So Sad.

Thank you for your attention to this "egregious" error. :crazy:

Don't worry, you won't go to Hell; however, I think that there are some people who might...
:waitasec: :bdsong:

concentric

11-23-2011, 06:47 PM

:waitasec: :bdsong:

I'm making fun at myself for pointing out a typographical or grammatical error (and I have made many), in light of Sandusky and company (and we know of several thousand around the world) for raping children.

I love your posts, Dr. Fessel. Thank you.

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 06:49 PM

I'm making fun at myself for pointing out a typographical or grammatical error (and I have made many), in light of Sandusky and company (and we know of several thousand around the world) for raping children.

I love your posts, Dr. Fessel. Thank you. Right back at ya! You have to admit that was funny!

concentric

11-23-2011, 06:59 PM

So, then, do ya think there could there be anything more important on this eve of Thanksgivin', than paying attention to the raping of children by those in power of our wonderful US of A?

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 07:04 PM

So Sad, too Bad...................... A source close to the Paterno family says Sue Paterno was told to leave a Penn State campus pool where she normally works out.

No reason was given, the source told The Patriot-News, and when reached by email, university spokesman Bill Mahon said, "I have heard nobody discuss this."

Sue Paterno is the wife of legendary former head football coach Joe Paterno, who was fired after allegations of child sexual abuse were filed against his former assistant Jerry Sandusky. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sue_paterno_told_she_cant_use.html

Truth be told, she and Joe Pa probably bought that campus pool and exercise facility for the university. (No, if this story is true, she shouldn't be using it now even if she and her husband donated it.)

Joe Pa has lent his name to multiple campaigns that raised $1.37 billion for the Penn State.

In 1984, Joe and his wife established the Paterno Libraries Endowment, which now has $4 million in the bank. Joe Pa and his wife personally gave $250,000 of their own money to that campaign. Later, Joe Pa and his wife co-chaired a library expansion campaign which raised another $14 million.

In 1998, Joe Pa and his wife gave $3.5 million to Penn State to endow faculty positions and scholarships and to support two building projects.

In 2009, Joe Pa and his wife donated $1 million to help expand Mount Nittany Medical Center (a 260 bed acute care public hospital which is the only hospital in that city).

Joe Pa and his wife gave $250,000 to build the Penn State All-Sports Museum.

Joe Pa and his wife recently donated $1 million for a chapel on Penn State campus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/construction-chapel-bears-sue-paterno-wife-fired-penn-state-football-coach-joe-paterno-continues-article-1.977598
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/09/penn-state-joe-paterno-legacy/index.html#ixzz1eZkggc4t

wfgodot

11-23-2011, 07:09 PM

Penn State certainly not going to get its groove back by kicking Sue Paterno out of the campus pool.

concentric

11-23-2011, 07:12 PM

I love this Bible verse:

Bible in Basic English
A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you are like the resting-places of the dead, which are made white, and seem beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and of all unclean things.

http://bible.cc/matthew/23-27.htm

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 07:13 PM

Truth be told, she and Joe Pa probably bought that campus pool and exercise facility for the university. (No, if this story is true, she shouldn't be using it now even if she and her husband donated it.)

Joe Pa has lent his name to multiple campaigns that raised $1.37 billion for the Penn State.

In 1984, Joe and his wife established the Paterno Libraries Endowment, which now has $4 million in the bank. Joe Pa and his wife personally gave $250,000 of their own money to that campaign. Later, Joe Pa and his wife co-chaired a library expansion campaign which raised another $14 million.

In 1998, Joe Pa and his wife gave $3.5 million to Penn State to endow faculty positions and scholarships and to support two building projects.

In 2009, Joe Pa and his wife donated $1 million to help expand Mount Nittany Medical Center (a 260 bed acute care public hospital which is the only hospital in that city).

Joe Pa and his wife gave $250,000 to build the Penn State All-Sports Museum.

Joe Pa and his wife recently donated $1 million for a chapel on Penn State campus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/construction-chapel-bears-sue-paterno-wife-fired-penn-state-football-coach-joe-paterno-continues-article-1.977598
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/09/penn-state-joe-paterno-legacy/index.html#ixzz1eZkggc4t

Put all that gold on one side of the scale, then what do you put on the other side?

Dr.Fessel

11-23-2011, 07:17 PM

College football is just like any Hollywood entertainment. Paterno was just a director/producer.

wfgodot

11-23-2011, 07:19 PM

Patriot-News editorial clouts New York Times for moving in on Victim One's identity:

On recent news stories about Jerry Sandusky and Victim One (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=l1MHBFJC&full=true#display)
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Victim One told the grand jury that he had been victimized by Jerry Sandusky. Now he is being victimized again - this time, by a frenzied news media that essentially name the victim in the pursuit of salacious details.
the rest at pennlive.com link above

BigCat

11-23-2011, 07:20 PM

So Sad, too Bad...................... A source close to the Paterno family says Sue Paterno was told to leave a Penn State campus pool where she normally works out.

No reason was given, the source told The Patriot-News, and when reached by email, university spokesman Bill Mahon said, "I have heard nobody discuss this."

Sue Paterno is the wife of legendary former head football coach Joe Paterno, who was fired after allegations of child sexual abuse were filed against his former assistant Jerry Sandusky. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sue_paterno_told_she_cant_use.html

The story said she was told on Wednesday she couldn't use the facilities. A commentator pointed out the pool wasn't scheduled to be open today. Considering the university official doesn't know anything about this, what are the chances it was just a miscommunication?

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 07:26 PM

Sandusky, from what I understand, is just a few months older than I am... I really can't attest to how bright he is or isn't but I will assume he is somewhat educated since he graduated from college....BTW.. I own a computer and even use it on a daily basis...JMHO....

He definitely had an email address and was using it as recently as June 2008 AND it was from a Penn State domain.

I know 2008 isn't all that recent but it was post-McQueary-witnessed locker room scene (March 2, 2002).

essies

11-23-2011, 07:33 PM

JVM just said the family member who made the complaint was JS's ex-daughter-in-law who got the restraining order. Not sure what her source is or if the victim is one of her 2 boys!! Maybe ex-daughter-in-law is just aware of some of JS's activites thru ex-husband or maybe ex-mother-in-law!!:waitasec:
Either way-I think JS's lawyer is going to have to address this and do some damage control-like that is possible!!!:furious:

eve

11-23-2011, 07:34 PM

Truth be told, she and Joe Pa probably bought that campus pool and exercise facility for the university. (No, if this story is true, she shouldn't be using it now even if she and her husband donated it.)

Joe Pa has lent his name to multiple campaigns that raised $1.37 billion for the Penn State.

In 1984, Joe and his wife established the Paterno Libraries Endowment, which now has $4 million in the bank. Joe Pa and his wife personally gave $250,000 of their own money to that campaign. Later, Joe Pa and his wife co-chaired a library expansion campaign which raised another $14 million.

In 1998, Joe Pa and his wife gave $3.5 million to Penn State to endow faculty positions and scholarships and to support two building projects.

In 2009, Joe Pa and his wife donated $1 million to help expand Mount Nittany Medical Center (a 260 bed acute care public hospital which is the only hospital in that city).

Joe Pa and his wife gave $250,000 to build the Penn State All-Sports Museum.

Joe Pa and his wife recently donated $1 million for a chapel on Penn State campus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/construction-chapel-bears-sue-paterno-wife-fired-penn-state-football-coach-joe-paterno-continues-article-1.977598
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/09/penn-state-joe-paterno-legacy/index.html#ixzz1eZkggc4t

What a tangled web, and all that money, too!

Truly fascinating and such great posters on this thread.

Eve

concentric

11-23-2011, 07:35 PM

Patriot-News editorial clouts New York Times for moving in on Victim One's identity:

On recent news stories about Jerry Sandusky and Victim One (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=l1MHBFJC&full=true#display)

the rest at pennlive.com link above
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Yes, familiar with "revictimization." It probably will happen at the trial as well. This is why so many victims are reluctant to speak up.

May the Lord give strength to the victims and those hearing these cases.

It may be more torturous for the victims to hold the anger in, than in laying it on the line.

The court officials better not minimize or discount the victims.

I think it's time for people to just wake up and hold these officials accountable.

BigCat

11-23-2011, 07:42 PM

He definitely had an email address and was using it as recently as June 2008 AND it was from a Penn State domain.

I know 2008 isn't all that recent but it was post-McQueary-witnessed locker room scene (March 2, 2002).

Sandusky strikes me as bit too "old school" to be comfortable with email. We know he attempted 61 phone calls from his home phone to victim 1 and 57 phone calls from his cell phone to victim 1. Yet I don't remember any mention of emails in the Grand Jury presentment, and we know victim 1 used email because his track coach was fired over an email correspondence with the boy. JMO.

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 07:44 PM

Patriot-News editorial clouts New York Times for moving in on Victim One's identity:

On recent news stories about Jerry Sandusky and Victim One (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=l1MHBFJC&full=true#display)

the rest at pennlive.com link above

Re: this from your link -

In Wednesday's story in The New York Times, for example, a profile entitled "For a Reported Penn State Victim, a Search for Trust," reporters Nare Schweber and Jo Becker boast that they have interviewed "dozens" of Victim One's friends and teachers. The result is a profile so detailed that, even though they do not name him, googling certain information in the profile results in the young man's name within seconds.

I redacted two posts late, LATE last night (I'm on the West Coast) that were in reference to this same point. The article gave enough information to substantiate something I had read the night before the NY Times article was published.

In fact, I was so concerned about it that I woke my husband up to ask his opinion about emailing one of the writers. I ended up writing and there was a response waiting when I woke up this morning.

The editor of The Patriot-News is spot-on in his assessment of the situation regarding the young man's privacy. It has now been completely compromised (IMHO).

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 07:52 PM

Sandusky strikes me as bit too "old school" to be comfortable with email. We know he attempted 61 phone calls from his home phone to victim 1 and 57 phone calls from his cell phone to victim 1. Yet I don't remember any mention of emails in the Grand Jury presentment, and we know victim 1 used email because his track coach was fired over an email correspondence with the boy. JMO.

There's a copy of one of his emails on the internet. I referenced it again when I posted a few moments ago and I think it has been posted here as well. Of course, it could have been an anomaly. :)

As far as his intelligence level goes, I keep going back to this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=U9pdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uV4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=683,7744939&dq=gerald+sandusky+druid&hl=en

On the other hand, his EQ (emotional intelligence) strikes me as being equivalent to that of a 5th or 6th grader.

concentric

11-23-2011, 08:02 PM

Sandusky strikes me as bit too "old school" to be comfortable with email. We know he attempted 61 phone calls from his home phone to victim 1 and 57 phone calls from his cell phone to victim 1. Yet I don't remember any mention of emails in the Grand Jury presentment, and we know victim 1 used email because his track coach was fired over an email correspondence with the boy. JMO.
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There's a more immediate and direct emotional and physical connection to someone over the phone, even if only by voice. That is the control factor here.

eve

11-23-2011, 08:06 PM

Well, that just says it all! :banghead:

I used to tutor athletes when I was a college student, and believe me, it is another world beyond the ordinary university life. At our university, they had their own dorms, cafeteria (with steak instead of fish sticks), tutors, and the coaches were more like parents than teachers. One year the English professors were complaining because the basketball schedule gave the athletes more excused absences than other students, but they were told too bad, so sad. Sports comes first.

Sounds a lot like Congress, doesn't it? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Eve

AlwaysShocked

11-23-2011, 08:07 PM

I hope I do not come off as harsh, but if your husband is fired from his job and one of the perks of said husband's job was use of a facility associated with that job - such as a pool or exercise equipment club - why would a wife think she could still use those facilities after her husband was fired?

Historically, once the king is deposed, he and his family no longer get to live in the castle.

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 08:21 PM

I hope I do not come off as harsh, but if your husband is fired from his job and one of the perks of said husband's job was use of a facility associated with that job - such as a pool or exercise equipment club - why would a wife think she could still use those facilities after her husband was fired?

Historically, once the king is deposed, he and his family no longer get to live in the castle.

I recently read that Joe Paterno met his wife-to-be at the Penn State library. She was a freshman at Penn State - he was/is 13 years her senior. He waited until she graduated to marry her.

http://www.playerwives.com/tag/sue-paterno/

That said, all she has known since her freshman year of college is Penn State. I don't say that to minimize her life and/or her accomplishments - not in the least. I'm just guessing the woman is in a state of shock (of sorts).

http://i.imgur.com/qLMRz.jpg

concentric

11-23-2011, 08:22 PM

I hope I do not come off as harsh, but if your husband is fired from his job and one of the perks of said husband's job was use of a facility associated with that job - such as a pool or exercise equipment club - why would a wife think she could still use those facilities after her husband was fired?

Historically, once the king is deposed, he and his family no longer get to live in the castle.

Denial of the deposing?

J. J. in Phila

11-23-2011, 08:24 PM

He definitely had an email address and was using it as recently as June 2008 AND it was from a Penn State domain.

I know 2008 isn't all that recent but it was post-McQueary-witnessed locker room scene (March 2, 2002).

Well, I have an alumni e-mail address and Sandusky is eligible for one as well.

Pensfan

11-23-2011, 08:24 PM

I hope I do not come off as harsh, but if your husband is fired from his job and one of the perks of said husband's job was use of a facility associated with that job - such as a pool or exercise equipment club - why would a wife think she could still use those facilities after her husband was fired?

Historically, once the king is deposed, he and his family no longer get to live in the castle.
Their website states that the indoor pools were CLOSED today and tomorrow. (Notice that the story does not give any names either. It is likely to be bs.)
http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/nat/documents/NatGridSchedule.pdf

Concerned Papa

11-23-2011, 08:38 PM

Their website states that the indoor pools were CLOSED today and tomorrow. (Notice that the story does not give any names either. It is likely to be bs.)
http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/nat/documents/NatGridSchedule.pdf

LOL, you are good. I mean reeeeeal good!

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 08:42 PM

Well, I have an alumni e-mail address and Sandusky is eligible for one as well.

Well, there you go.

I had no idea such an arrangement existed.

Reader

11-23-2011, 08:44 PM

Ironically, I've vaguely familiar with Mr. Amendola's record, and he's had a lot of successes.

Penn State sex crime cases are familiar territory for Sandusky's lawyer

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/16/130460/sanduskys-lawyer-amendola-is-now.html#ixzz1ea8hLJYo

State College attorney Joseph Amendola has a reputation as a skilled attorney who has handled a number of high-profile cases, including several that drew national attention because of the defendants’ ties to Penn State and its football program.

But the spotlight has never been as bright as it is now, as he defends former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky........

On Tuesday, that scrutiny led to headlines revealing that Amendola’s wife was just 17 when she gave birth to their oldest child in 1997. .........
She and Amendola had a second child in 2002, and married on Feb. 8, 2003.

Neither of the Amendolas, who are now separated, could be reached for comment on Tuesday.
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Amendola’s roots in Centre County date back to his days at a student at Penn State. He graduated with a bachelor’s degree in 1970 and settled locally soon after.

His clients have included a number of Penn State students, including some members of the football team.

In 2006, Amendola defended defensive end Scott Paxson against charges of aggravated indecent assault and indecent assault stemming from allegations by a fellow student that he had unwanted sexual contact with her in December 2004 in his campus apartment. Paxson eventually agreed to a plea deal in which he paid a $300 fine for disorderly conduct.

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Dave Immel, who served as Centre County prothonotary and clerk of courts for 16 years ending in 2000, said Amendola was “very diligent in his work and a good orator in the courtroom.”

“I always found him to be above-board,” Immel said. “He had a great reputation. If you could afford him, he’s the guy you wanted.”

And those who encounter Amendola outside the courtroom described him as “generous” with his time and attention.

He has been involved in the State College Elks Lodge and the Pennsylvania State Elks Association, serving the latter as president from 2000 to 2001.

More at link...

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 08:46 PM

I just found this regarding alumni addresses:

E-mail forwarding is now available to all Penn State Alumni Association members. No matter where you move, your friends will be able to get in touch with you using the same address (youraddress@psualum.com). This is not an e-mail provider, but a forwarding service that forwards your messages to your most current e-mail address. All you have to do is enter your current e-mail account. Your new e-mail forwarding address will use “psualum.com.” http://alumni.psu.edu/membership/benefits/email.htm

Sandusky's was (is?) a psu.edu address.

Reader

11-23-2011, 08:53 PM

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky proclaimed his innocence on national television Monday night, saying he isn't a pedophile and that the worst mistake he made was showering with children.

But under Pennsylvania's child protection laws, what Sandusky admitted to in an interview with NBC's Bob Costas could fit the definition of indecent exposure. If children under 16 were involved, it could be a first-degree misdemeanor with a maximum punishment of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Indecent exposure fits under the definition of a child sex crime, according to Pennsylvania state law.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/15/130393/sandusky-claims-innocence-but.html#ixzz1eaFFobEI

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 08:56 PM

Apologies if this has been posted already.

We asked what you'd like to know about the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal and its fallout. Thanks to everyone who responded with more than 160 questions and comments!

We're going to start by answering a batch of the more common ones (or common themes). We'll be adding more answers in the coming days.

A few of the questions (answers at link):

1. Is anyone looking into whether Penn State trustees broke the Sunshine Law?

2. Where are Ray Gricar's associates or assistants who obviously supported him during the 1998 investigation? Where are the police who helped with the investigation in 1998? Why didn't the story make the newspapers in 1998?

3. Should Sandusky, Curley and Schultz be found innocent of any wrong doing, is there any legal/moral obligation for the university to address the firings of Paterno and Spanier as premature?

And several more:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_sacbndal_answer.html

MagnoliaMom

11-23-2011, 08:58 PM

Patriot-News editorial clouts New York Times for moving in on Victim One's identity:

On recent news stories about Jerry Sandusky and Victim One (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=l1MHBFJC&full=true#display)

the rest at pennlive.com link above

I really hate this for victim 1. I pray he can remain focused and strong.

Reader

11-23-2011, 09:01 PM

Child sex charges filed against Jerry Sandusky; two top Penn State University officials charged with perjury & failure to report suspected child abuse

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270

Story of how the case progressed and charges were brought by the AG:

"This is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys," Kelly said. "It is also a case about high-ranking university officials who allegedly failed to report the sexual assault of a young boy after the information was brought to their attention, and later made false statements to a grand jury that was investigating a series of assaults on young boys............

List of charges against Sandusky:

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Seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, all first-degree felonies which are each punishable by up to 20 years in prison and a $25,000 fine.

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One count of aggravated indecent assault, a second-degree felony punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $25,000 fine.

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Four counts of unlawful contact with a minor, all first-degree felonies which are each punishable by up to 20 years in prison and a $25,000 fine.

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Four counts of unlawful contact with a minor, all third-degree felonies which are each punishable by up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

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Four counts of endangering the welfare of a child, all third-degree felonies which are each punishable by up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

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Four counts of endangering the welfare of a child, all first-degree misdemeanors which are each punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

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Eight counts of corruption of minors, all first-degree misdemeanors which are each punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

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One count of indecent assault, a third-degree felony punishable by up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

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Four counts of indecent assault, all second-degree misdemeanors which are each punishable by up to two years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

Two counts of indecent assault, all first-degree misdemeanors which are each punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

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One count of attempt to commit indecent assault, a second-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to two years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

Much more at link.....

LRinCA

11-23-2011, 09:01 PM

From the PennLive/Patriot News questions/answers column:

This is in regard to the 1998 allegations. I didn't realize she was the one who had tracked down the report.

It never made the newspapers in 1998 because the allegations were ruled unfounded and the report filed away. Patriot-News reporter Sara Ganim obtained the report early this year after receiving a tip that it existed, and we first wrote about it in March.

wfgodot

11-23-2011, 09:11 PM

The White Building, which houses the Fitness Center and also has a pool, was open for regular hours today.

http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/whitebldg/documents/THANKSGIVING2011.pdf