MSM Coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/21/11 [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

matou

11-21-2011, 12:05 PM

Hey all. Please post all MSM media articles and coverage in this thread. No discussion. Please branch out in specific threads to discuss specific topics. Praying that Baby Lisa is found alive, safe and unharmed.

matou

11-21-2011, 12:07 PM

He acknowledged discussing the possibility the Irwin neighborhood handyman named Jersey could be involved.

"I told someone, I was like (expletive), Jersey was the kind of person where you could say here, here’s $300, take care of this baby, and he would have done it," he said. "That’s all I’ve said. I haven’t seen Jersey since weeks before all this happened actually."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/missing-baby-lisa-kidnap-rumor-denied-by-teen-who-supposedly-implicated-handyman-in-disappearance#ixzz1eMPqqa9Y

matou

11-21-2011, 12:08 PM

A teen located by the NBC Action News Investigators denies ever saying a neighborhood handyman "bragged" about a $300 payday for kidnapping Baby Lisa Irwin.

"No," said the teen. "I haven’t seen him since like September 11 th.

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/missing-baby-lisa-kidnap-rumor-denied-by-teen-who-supposedly-implicated-handyman-in-disappearance#ixzz1eMQBaPWx

yllek

11-21-2011, 12:11 PM

This debunked triple hearsay and the interview with male teen (source) was covered and put to rest on Saturday. Why is a debunked rumor being rehashed by media again today? Weird. Wish we'd hear something relevant and new.

NotSoSherlock

11-21-2011, 12:16 PM

Baby Lisa: Recap of the past seven weeks (http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-recap-of-the-past-seven-weeks) (Isabelle Zehnder reporting)

There isn't any new news in this article. It is basically the complete case history, as we know it, up to the present date.

In da Middle

11-21-2011, 12:16 PM

This debunked triple hearsay and the interview with male teen (source) was covered and put to rest on Saturday. Why is a debunked rumor being rehashed by media again today? Weird. Wish we'd hear something relevant and new.
I think this is just a case of non-local news just now covering what happened over the weekend.

yllek

11-21-2011, 12:43 PM

I think this is just a case of non-local news just now covering what happened over the weekend.

I'm sure you're right. I just really want to hear something new and helpful in finding Lisa! It's been six weeks since she went missing; where is she? Oh well, the day is young...

epiphany

11-21-2011, 01:52 PM

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MKelly just interviewed (via phone) Tom Slovenski, Mobile Forensic Examiner.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/thomas-slovenski/6/1a7/710

I missed it, but perhaps Fox will post video clip soon.

Sherbie

11-21-2011, 01:54 PM

Megyn Kelly has Tom Slovenski, forensic cell phone expert, on the show. He says if DB made 11:57 call on restricted service, it could have (1) gone to payment center or (2) actually gone through (says there are times a call can slip through before the cut-off order catches up to it).

Slovenski says there's always a record of a call, even with prepaid phones, and that once the service cut-off has gone into effect, no amount of pushing buttons (e.g., *82) will get you anywhere. Once it's out, it's out.

Oh, and he said that if the phone pings show it didn't go beyond 1/3-1/5 a mile, it means...wait for it...the phones didn't go beyond that distance.

In other words, pretty useless segment.

Elley Mae

11-21-2011, 02:03 PM

Megyn Kelly has Tom Slovenski, forensic cell phone expert, on the show. He says if DB made 11:57 call on restricted service, it could have (1) gone to payment center or (2) actually gone through (says there are times a call can slip through before the cut-off order catches up to it).

Slovenski says there's always a record of a call, even with prepaid phones, and that once the service cut-off has gone into effect, no amount of pushing buttons (e.g., *82) will get you anywhere. Once it's out, it's out.

Oh, and he said that if the phone pings show it didn't go beyond 1/3-1/5 a mile, it means...wait for it...the phones didn't go beyond that distance.

In other words, pretty useless segment.

Any segment that will keep attention and pressure on those involved is good "news" to me. The minute the news stops and the pressure is off then the perps are off scott free.

mck16

11-21-2011, 02:04 PM

This debunked triple hearsay and the interview with male teen (source) was covered and put to rest on Saturday. Why is a debunked rumor being rehashed by media again today? Weird. Wish we'd hear something relevant and new.

I only read about this over the weekend and did not know it had been debunked. Where was that posted so I can read up on it? tia

epiphany

11-21-2011, 02:11 PM

The proximity of the pinging so close to or at the Irwin home makes it unlikely, IMO, that a kidnapper or a cell phone thief was using DB's cell phone at that time. Picerno knows this isn't favorable to his clients, and that's why he made himself available to dispense hearsay when he did.

NotSoSherlock

11-21-2011, 02:12 PM

I only read about this over the weekend and did not know it had been debunked. Where was that posted so I can read up on it? tia

Here you go:

$300 Baby Lisa kidnap rumor denied by teen who supposedly implicated handyman in disappearance (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/%24300-baby-lisa-kidnap-rumor-denied-by-teen-who-supposedly-implicated-handyman-in-disappearance)

Sherbie

11-21-2011, 02:17 PM

Any segment that will keep attention and pressure on those involved is good "news" to me. The minute the news stops and the pressure is off then the perps are off scott free.

You're right, of course, Elley - anything that keeps Lisa front and center is appreciated. Sorry if it came across that I thought otherwise; was just disappointed there wasn't anything new in the way of info.

NotSoSherlock

11-21-2011, 02:59 PM

Here's that Fox Report:

Mobile Forensic Examiner Discusses What Cell Phone Calls May Reveal in Case of Lisa Irwin (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/21/mobile-forensic-examiner-discusses-what-cell-phone-calls-may-reveal-in-case-of-lisa-irwin/)

Dr. Know?

11-21-2011, 03:08 PM

Has anyone read or watched a video with a retraction or update from Fox News who put the story out in regards to the $300 bragging by Jersey?

Here's the original article and video from 11/18/11. I may have missed one..

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/18/irwin-attorney-jersey-bragged-about-kidnapping-lisa/

I do hope they have or will be putting one out! It could lead the viewers, if not, imo. Some people are loyal to their news stations.

natsound

11-21-2011, 03:27 PM

The proximity of the pinging so close to or at the Irwin home makes it unlikely, IMO, that a kidnapper or a cell phone thief was using DB's cell phone at that time. Picerno knows this isn't favorable to his clients, and that's why he made himself available to dispense hearsay when he did.

I know we've been talking ab out the pings for weeks now, but where did we get the ping information from? Did LE release it?

cityslick

11-21-2011, 03:30 PM

I know we've been talking ab out the pings for weeks now, but where did we get the ping information from? Did LE release it?

Actually, that information came from Pircerno. He said FBI told them this during their presentation. This is what makes me believe that most of what he said in the presser was probably the truth (in terms of what they were presented).

natsound

11-21-2011, 03:31 PM

Actually, that information came from Pircerno. He said FBI told them this during their presentation. This is what makes me believe that most of what he said in the presser was probably the truth (in terms of what they were presented).

I thought we were discussing ping locations long before Picerno gave the interview about the FBI meeting.

cityslick

11-21-2011, 03:33 PM

I thought we were discussing ping locations long before Picerno gave the interview about the FBI meeting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain the 'within 1/5 to 1/3rd radius' came out of the press conference.

I'll stand corrected though if that's not the case.

natsound

11-21-2011, 03:39 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain the 'within 1/5 to 1/3rd radius' came out of the press conference.

I'll stand corrected though if that's not the case.

You might be right... the old "cell phone" thread began on 11/11, and posters are discussing the radius and the Picerno interview.

In da Middle

11-21-2011, 03:47 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain the 'within 1/5 to 1/3rd radius' came out of the press conference.

I'll stand corrected though if that's not the case.
I have been heard the 1/3 mile almost from the beginning. I don't remember where the source was from. If you look at the maps of the areas they were looking at in the first week, it is all within that parameter. There is no reason IMO to disregard this info just because it came from the attys.

nursebeeme

11-21-2011, 05:00 PM

Hey all. Please post all MSM media articles and coverage in this thread. No discussion. Please branch out in specific threads to discuss specific topics. Praying that Baby Lisa is found alive, safe and unharmed.

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JeannaT

11-21-2011, 05:40 PM

Has anyone read or watched a video with a retraction or update from Fox News who put the story out in regards to the $300 bragging by Jersey?

Here's the original article and video from 11/18/11. I may have missed one..

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/18/irwin-attorney-jersey-bragged-about-kidnapping-lisa/

I do hope they have or will be putting one out! It could lead the viewers, if not, imo. Some people are loyal to their news stations.

I don't think they need to print a retraction at all. Retractions are for when the media gets the story wrong.

Near as I can tell, the girl DID say that, and the boy said something fairly close that could be misunderstood.

I don't think it implicates Jersey really, but the truth is still the truth - this girl told her mother what she believed she heard, the Mom called the cops and they and the lawyers interviewed her about her story.

They owe no one a retraction, IMHO. No more than when sightings turn out to be false leads.

Donjeta

11-21-2011, 05:49 PM

If a retraction is too much like an apology and it really wasn't their fault, just a follow-up story with a heads up that the previous story turned out to be BS through no fault of the media would be fine.

I would like my MSM to come as precise as possible and not satisfied with reporting things that are fairly close and could be misunderstood.

Do we still need a daily MSM thread if there is nothing?

Nore

11-21-2011, 06:05 PM

No Discussion? :floorlaugh: