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lauriej
11-23-2011, 07:44 PM
..as we continue to get more of the 911 call , i thought a thread appropriate to keep it in one place.
THM's "Melissa in Michigan" posts 11/23/2011:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1421&p=207915#p207915
On the last 1/2 hour of HLN's "Special Report" program today, they discussed Rebecca's case....
Martin Rudoy, the other attorney for the Zahau family, was on the show, and he discussed the Asian "anime" porn being found on Rebecca's Laptop with Jane Velez-Mitchell. They didn't really go into this further.
Dr.Wecht also joined by phone to discuss many of the things he's covered already on other shows.
Dr. Mark Kalish, San Diego Forensic Pyschiatrist, was also on the show. He expressed his opinion that there was nothing in her previous mental state to indicate she would have taken her life.
Rebecca's sister, Mary also joined by phone.
Here is the transcript of the excerpt they played from the 911 call:
911 Operator: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
Adam: Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house. It's on Ocean Boulevard across from the hotel. Same place you come and got the kid yesterday. You came here yesterday to pick up a little boy.
911 Operator: Okay sir, I wasn't working yesterday. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Adam: Did you check the records?
911 Operator: Sir, I checked all of the records yesterday. I can't find anything on Ocean Boulevard. Can you tell me what the address is?
Adam: I'm looking. Just start sending them towards us, towards the hotel
911 Operator: How old is she?
Adam: She's about 30
911 Operator: 30? Okay. When's the last time you saw her?
Adam: Last night
The attorney thought it was curious that Adam told 911 that "he found a girl, hung herself". He questioned why Adam didn't say her name, and how he would know that she hung herself.
arielilane
11-23-2011, 07:53 PM
AS is a bit backwards? A bit scripted?
lauriej
11-23-2011, 08:13 PM
---original post by "cynic".
DrPZ 1A - YouTube
..@45 (..@45) seconds:
Dispatch: “911 Emergency, what are you reporting?”
AdamS: “I got a girl----hung herself”
..@1:22:
Dispatch: “Is she still alive?”
AdamS: “Are you alive?”
AdamS: “I don’t think so.”
DrPZ2B - YouTube
..@beginning:
Dispatch: “911 Emergency, what are you reporting?”
AdamS: “Yeah, uh,I got a girl----hung herself”
Dispatch: “Ok, sir, is she still alive?”
AdamS: “Are you alive?”
Dispatch: “Ok, let me get the Fire Department”.
Dispatch: “Sir, hang on, let me get the Fire Department on the phone”.
Fire Operator: “When was the last time you saw her?”
AdamS: “Last night.”
Fire Operator: “Ok, is she beyond help?”
AdamS: (inaudible) “I’m doing-----I’m compressing her chest right now.”
Fire Operator: “Ok, hold on, sir..”
AdamS: (inaudible.)
Fire Operator: “What’s your name?”
AdamS: “Adam Shacknai”.
Fire Operator: “Ok listen to me, help is coming right now”.
lauriej
11-23-2011, 08:23 PM
Adam: "Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house".
...in the guest house?
( umm, no adam, you just came out of the guest house and 'discovered her' ---where you had just finished "entertaining yourself" with porn on your iPhone... and putting your pants back on..)---oh and putting your Boots on too.
( sherrifG says that the boot prints in the kitchen---that were never analyzed according to anneB--- were determined to be adam's , when he ran into the kitchen to get the knife, as they were "consistant" with his boots.. )
..and why would someone look at a body that's hanging there, bound up with rope, gagged -----and conclude that she had hung herself ??
cynic
11-23-2011, 08:31 PM
Adam: "Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house".
...in the guest house?
( umm, no adam, you just came out of the guest house and 'discovered her' ---where you had just finished "entertaining yourself" with porn on your iPhone... and putting your pants back on..)---oh and putting your Boots on too.
( sherrifG says that the boot prints in the kitchen---that were never analyzed according to anneB--- were determined to be adam's , when he ran into the kitchen to get the knife, as they were "consistant" with his boots.. )
..and why would someone look at a body that's hanging there, bound up with rope, gagged -----and conclude that she had hung herself ??
BBM
Makes perfect sense to SheriffG :crazy: :ufo:
curiousjo
11-23-2011, 08:52 PM
Adam: "Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house".
Is this a freudian slip? Maybe RN did hang in the guest house, before he strung her up at the mansion....
Mrs. Holmes
11-23-2011, 09:08 PM
..as we continue to get more of the 911 call , i thought a thread appropriate to keep it in one place.
THM's "Melissa in Michigan" posts 11/23/2011:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1421&p=207915#p207915
On the last 1/2 hour of HLN's "Special Report" program today, they discussed Rebecca's case....
Martin Rudoy, the other attorney for the Zahau family, was on the show, and he discussed the Asian "anime" porn being found on Rebecca's Laptop with Jane Velez-Mitchell. They didn't really go into this further.
Dr.Wecht also joined by phone to discuss many of the things he's covered already on other shows.
Dr. Mark Kalish, San Diego Forensic Pyschiatrist, was also on the show. He expressed his opinion that there was nothing in her previous mental state to indicate she would have taken her life.
Rebecca's sister, Mary also joined by phone.
Here is the transcript of the excerpt they played from the 911 call:
911 Operator: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
Adam: Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house. It's on Ocean Boulevard across from the hotel. Same place you come and got the kid yesterday. You came here yesterday to pick up a little boy.
911 Operator: Okay sir, I wasn't working yesterday. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Adam: Did you check the records?
911 Operator: Sir, I checked all of the records yesterday. I can't find anything on Ocean Boulevard. Can you tell me what the address is?
Adam: I'm looking. Just start sending them towards us, towards the hotel
911 Operator: How old is she?
Adam: She's about 30
911 Operator: 30? Okay. When's the last time you saw her?
Adam: Last night
The attorney thought it was curious that Adam told 911 that "he found a girl, hung herself". He questioned why Adam didn't say her name, and how he would know that she hung herself.
Adam got the days mixed up. It is Wednesday early morning and MS was taken to hospital on the Monday. So that would be the day before yesterday. Did he stay up all night and lose track of time? Again though finding someone hanging... is a shock..
You know this case is full of cirque du soleil acts......because apparently even Adam can balance on a three legged table while holding a woman in his arms and cut a rope with a kitchen knife. Then he can do chest compressions and speak to 911 at the same time. When you do chest compressions aren't you supposed to be counting? Don't they sometimes help you count and give you instructions on how to do the chest compressions. We have not heard the whole call yet? Maybe this happens later on in the call?
Melanie
11-23-2011, 09:14 PM
He's gotta be in shock. He screamed at her "Are You Alive". That scared the heck out of me when I heard it -- straight out of a movie!!
It's gotta be shock, or there's something really strange going on here.
MOO
Mel
lauriej
11-23-2011, 10:37 PM
-------snipped-----. Then he can do chest compressions and speak to 911 at the same time. When you do chest compressions aren't you supposed to be counting? Don't they sometimes help you count and give you instructions on how to do the chest compressions. We have not heard the whole call yet? Maybe this happens later on in the call?
-----yeah---that's just weird.
..not only are you to count------but you NEED 2 hands to do CPR ( it's quite ridiculous to imagine him doing CPR/compressions while ON his cell phone.)---( and while the victim is not laid on her back, since we know rebecca had her hands bound behind her back..)
dovebar
11-23-2011, 11:06 PM
If you saw someone trussed up on RZ, I would think you'd automatically assume they were murdered. With the bound hands and the gag particularly.
The mistake on the place is weird.
So is referring to his dying nephew as "the kid."
So is not using the name of the person or her relationship, like, "There's a girl - she's dead, my brother's girlfriend is dead, or Rebecca's dead!"
elfie
11-23-2011, 11:32 PM
-----yeah---that's just weird.
..not only are you to count------but you NEED 2 hands to do CPR ( it's quite ridiculous to imagine him doing CPR/compressions while ON his cell phone.)---( and while the victim is not laid on her back, since we know rebecca had her hands bound behind her back..)
Wondering if had the phone on speaker. Still, getting her arms out from behind her back would have been key.
jjenny
11-23-2011, 11:43 PM
By the time AS called 911 she was dead for hours. There was no cpr in the world that could have helped her. Frankly I don't know how someone could do chest compressions on her anyway, since in the photos her arms appear to still be bound behind her back. She couldn't even be placed flat on her back. Not that it would make any difference since she was dead for a long time before 911 call.
Melanie
11-24-2011, 12:23 AM
If you saw someone trussed up on RZ, I would think you'd automatically assume they were murdered. With the bound hands and the gag particularly.
The mistake on the place is weird.
So is referring to his dying nephew as "the kid."
So is not using the name of the person or her relationship, like, "There's a girl - she's dead, my brother's girlfriend is dead, or Rebecca's dead!"
IMHO it shows lack of general respect. I know that Maxie hadn't died yet, but why would he refer to him as the kid? Shock or not, wouldn't he use the name Max Shacknai as an identifier for the 911 operator? It almost sounds like a script by saying the kid, and a girl.
I usually get bashed when I read too much into things, but this raised the hairs on my neck. Hey, Adam - her name is Rebecca! She's not a girl, she's a full grown woman.
He sounds detached and disrespectful IMHO. And last I heard, it's dang near impossible to do chest compressions whilst hands are tied behind ones back. If he did, wouldn't her wrists be bruised and battered?
MOO
Mel
ufos8mycow
11-24-2011, 12:37 AM
I do think it is possible to do chest compressions with a cell phone. You would be amazed at the things that I do when using my shoulder to hold the phone to my ear.
But then again we don;t know what type of phone he was using do we? Did he have an ear piece or Bluetooth?
defense101
11-24-2011, 09:45 AM
I do think it is possible to do chest compressions with a cell phone. You would be amazed at the things that I do when using my shoulder to hold the phone to my ear.
But then again we don;t know what type of phone he was using do we? Did he have an ear piece or Bluetooth? That could be possible, but you need to be flat on your back, her arms are either still tied or much worse in rigor which would mean it was just for show. He had just supposedly cut her down, and even though holding her cold dead body says he's doing chest compressions. That she hung herself in the guest house statement is very telling isn't it. Is that where she was actually strangled. As Adam went through the kitchen door that morning to go get knives to cut her down, it was obvious the house wasn't locked up, so did he have access to the house while Rebecca was sleeping? I'd like to hear the full call to see the sequence of the statements.
Truthwillsetufree
11-24-2011, 10:03 AM
He's gotta be in shock. He screamed at her "Are You Alive". That scared the heck out of me when I heard it -- straight out of a movie!!
It's gotta be shock, or there's something really strange going on here.
MOO
Mel
That hit a nerve in me that I can't explain!
To me and JMO, it was a mocking kind of gesture...disgusting in my opinion.
lauriej
11-24-2011, 12:58 PM
I do think it is possible to do chest compressions with a cell phone. You would be amazed at the things that I do when using my shoulder to hold the phone to my ear.
But then again we don;t know what type of phone he was using do we? Did he have an ear piece or Bluetooth?
..an iPhone.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-porn-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer
Attorney: 'Bondage porn' found on Coronado mansion computer
"Bremner said Adam Shacknai claimed during a lie detector examination that he was viewing pornography on his iPhone just before he walked out of the mansion guest house and found Zahau hanging."
ufos8mycow
11-24-2011, 06:00 PM
That could be possible, but you need to be flat on your back, her arms are either still tied or much worse in rigor which would mean it was just for show. He had just supposedly cut her down, and even though holding her cold dead body says he's doing chest compressions. That she hung herself in the guest house statement is very telling isn't it. Is that where she was actually strangled. As Adam went through the kitchen door that morning to go get knives to cut her down, it was obvious the house wasn't locked up, so did he have access to the house while Rebecca was sleeping? I'd like to hear the full call to see the sequence of the statements.
Looking at this picture it looks like her right arm is free and not tied. Of course I can't say rigor wasn't a factor. I personally don't think the brother had anything to do with this case other than finding her. After listening to the 911 call I just don't 'feel' it.
http://www.examiner.com/news-analysis-in-national/doctor-maurice-godwin-says-rebecca-zahau-was-murdered-picture?slide=40214116#main
jjenny
11-24-2011, 06:20 PM
Looking at this picture it looks like her right arm is free and not tied. Of course I can't say rigor wasn't a factor. I personally don't think the brother had anything to do with this case other than finding her. After listening to the 911 call I just don't 'feel' it.
http://www.examiner.com/news-analysis-in-national/doctor-maurice-godwin-says-rebecca-zahau-was-murdered-picture?slide=40214116#main
If her arms were un-tied, where is her left arm? Clearly she didn't just have one arm. She is on her side, and you can't see her left arm. I presume it's because the left arm is under the body, and both arms are tied behind the back. You can also see the long rope that tied the arms together. And never mind autopsy report says her wrists were tied behind her back. So, no, I don't think her arms were free.
ufos8mycow
11-24-2011, 08:21 PM
After reading the autopsy report I noticed it says that the police did CPR on her until paramedics arrived and told them to stop. If the brother says he did CPR and the police did their own CPR didn't any of them untie her hands?
If the idea is the brother couldn't have performed CPR because of the tied hands then how did the police do it?
jjenny
11-24-2011, 08:50 PM
After reading the autopsy report I noticed it says that the police did CPR on her until paramedics arrived and told them to stop. If the brother says he did CPR and the police did their own CPR didn't any of them untie her hands?
If the idea is the brother couldn't have performed CPR because of the tied hands then how did the police do it?
I don't know how police did CPR on her if they did anything at all. She couldn't be put flat on her back because her arms are tied behind her back. She has to be on a flat hard surface. Photos show her on the grass. She was also in rigor and dead for hours by the time Coronado police arrived. They couldn't figure it out?
defense101
11-24-2011, 09:21 PM
After reading the autopsy report I noticed it says that the police did CPR on her until paramedics arrived and told them to stop. If the brother says he did CPR and the police did their own CPR didn't any of them untie her hands?
If the idea is the brother couldn't have performed CPR because of the tied hands then how did the police do it? The autopsy says Coronado Fire Department arrived at 0653 hours and confirmed the death without intervention.
..as we continue to get more of the 911 call , i thought a thread appropriate to keep it in one place.
THM's "Melissa in Michigan" posts 11/23/2011:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1421&p=207915#p207915
On the last 1/2 hour of HLN's "Special Report" program today, they discussed Rebecca's case....
Martin Rudoy, the other attorney for the Zahau family, was on the show, and he discussed the Asian "anime" porn being found on Rebecca's Laptop with Jane Velez-Mitchell. They didn't really go into this further.
Dr.Wecht also joined by phone to discuss many of the things he's covered already on other shows.
Dr. Mark Kalish, San Diego Forensic Pyschiatrist, was also on the show. He expressed his opinion that there was nothing in her previous mental state to indicate she would have taken her life.
Rebecca's sister, Mary also joined by phone.
Here is the transcript of the excerpt they played from the 911 call:
911 Operator: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
Adam: Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house. It's on Ocean Boulevard across from the hotel. Same place you come and got the kid yesterday. You came here yesterday to pick up a little boy.
911 Operator: Okay sir, I wasn't working yesterday. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Adam: Did you check the records?
911 Operator: Sir, I checked all of the records yesterday. I can't find anything on Ocean Boulevard. Can you tell me what the address is?
Adam: I'm looking. Just start sending them towards us, towards the hotel
911 Operator: How old is she?
Adam: She's about 30
911 Operator: 30? Okay. When's the last time you saw her?
Adam: Last night
The attorney thought it was curious that Adam told 911 that "he found a girl, hung herself". He questioned why Adam didn't say her name, and how he would know that she hung herself.
"hung herself in the guest house."
Uh ... anyone think it's weird he said in the guest house?????
ufos8mycow
11-24-2011, 09:40 PM
The autopsy says Coronado Fire Department arrived at 0653 hours and confirmed the death without intervention.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B54MtfXlxRJbYjA3YzY2MTItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDg tMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
Page -2- ME Opinion part 1st paragraph:
"Coranado Police Department personnel responded and began cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). Coranado Fire Department personnel responded, felt rigor mortis in her jaw(no other areas were checked), and advised CPR be stopped."
defense101
11-24-2011, 09:51 PM
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B54MtfXlxRJbYjA3YzY2MTItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDg tMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
Page -2- ME Opinion part 1st paragraph:
"Coranado Police Department personnel responded and began cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). Coranado Fire Department personnel responded, felt rigor mortis in her jaw(no other areas were checked), and advised CPR be stopped." So that means it says both, I wonder which one actually happened?
ufos8mycow
11-24-2011, 09:55 PM
So that means it says both, I wonder which one actually happened?
To me it suggests police did CPR on her. Doesn't say if they removed rope from arms though. I think the Fire crew arrived after and checked for rigor and didn't perform any CPR.
defense101
11-25-2011, 11:09 AM
To me it suggests police did CPR on her. Doesn't say if they removed rope from arms though. I think the Fire crew arrived after and checked for rigor and didn't perform any CPR. Under the scene investigation the ME states I also viewed the body of a naked female as she lie supine on the grass. The decedent hand and feet were bound with an orange color rope, so her hands were still tied. IMO I find it hard to believe that anyone whether it be Adam or the police did CPR on Rebecca. Any police officer of worth would know just by feeling the temperature of her body that she was beyond any rescue efforts.
TGIRecovered
11-26-2011, 08:24 PM
The amount of conflicting information in the autopsy report leaves me with no confidence in the integrity of this investigation. The way it reads makes me suspect that these officials are used to writing down whatever they think will sound good and lend support to their pre-determined conclusion.
I gave AS the benifit of the doubt before, but the 911 call has convinced me that he was trying to distance himself from the situation by referring to RN as "a girl" and Maxie as "the kid". I don't believe that he did CPR. I do suspect that RN may have been assaulted in the guest house. I do believe that AS tied the knots in the electrical cord.
JMO
TGIRecovered
11-27-2011, 12:08 PM
Oops! It was kindly pointed out to me that it was ski rope, not electrical cord, which was used to bind RN. (Too late to edit my post above this one but I don't want to cause any confusion.)
Thank you Mrs. Holmes!
ufos8mycow
11-27-2011, 07:10 PM
One thing that I noticed in the ME report was the signature and date written by Jonathan R Lucas MD. Page 6.
Autopsy (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B54MtfXlxRJbYjA3YzY2MTItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDg tMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en)
I would love to see other things he has signed to compare. It just looks sloppy and to me looks like it is 'nervous' writing. Especially the ones in the date. Like I would expect from someone who doesn't really agree with what they are signing or maybe knowingly signing something false.
Secondly in regards to the black paint on Rebecca's breast and nipple to me the most likely way it could have gotten there is if someone threw a brush at her as she was lying on the ground.
Edit: Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread as it should have gone in the Autopsy thread.
Mrs. Holmes
11-28-2011, 11:38 AM
One thing that I noticed in the ME report was the signature and date written by Jonathan R Lucas MD. Page 6.
Autopsy (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B54MtfXlxRJbYjA3YzY2MTItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDg tMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en)
I would love to see other things he has signed to compare. It just looks sloppy and to me looks like it is 'nervous' writing. Especially the ones in the date. Like I would expect from someone who doesn't really agree with what they are signing or maybe knowingly signing something false.
Secondly in regards to the black paint on Rebecca's breast and nipple to me the most likely way it could have gotten there is if someone threw a brush at her as she was lying on the ground.
Edit: Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread as it should have gone in the Autopsy thread.
I found it interesting that Lou Scanlon, Coronado Chief of Police did not attend the press conference and has made no comments.
http://www.coronado.ca.us/department/?fDD=11-0
Smart move on his part... or was he not happy with Sheriff BG's handing?
lauriej
11-28-2011, 12:55 PM
I found it interesting that Lou Scanlon, Coronado Chief of Police did not attend the press conference and has made no comments.
http://www.coronado.ca.us/department/?fDD=11-0
Smart move on his part... or was he not happy with Sheriff BG's handing?
..according to sheriffG at the 09/02 P/C, Chief Scanlon "would have been here today but is on a scheduled trip out of the country"-----Commander Mike Lawton took his place.
dovebar
11-28-2011, 10:42 PM
..according to sheriffG at the 09/02 P/C, Chief Scanlon "would have been here today but is on a scheduled trip out of the country"-----Commander Mike Lawton took his place.
Sure would be interesting to know where, and if he's traveling at taxpayer expense.
What's the Chief's salary, anyway?
Mrs. Holmes
11-29-2011, 09:39 AM
..according to sheriffG at the 09/02 P/C, Chief Scanlon "would have been here today but is on a scheduled trip out of the country"-----Commander Mike Lawton took his place.
What a coincidence of timing eh?
coastal
11-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Sure would be interesting to know where, and if he's traveling at taxpayer expense.
What's the Chief's salary, anyway?
Found this ad from 2005:
http://www.theblueline.com/draft/CAcoronadopd1.html
DIRECTOR OF POLICE SERVICES
City of Coronado
The Director of Police Services serves as the City’s Police Chief and reports directly to the City Manager.
>>>snip
The City of Coronado offers a highly competitive compensation package. The Director of Police Services position has an established salary band of $107,136 - $127,848 per year. Appointment may be made anywhere within the band, depending on qualifications. In addition to salary, the City offers an excellent benefits package including:
Retirement - The City participates in the California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS), with a benefit level of 3% at 50 for public safety employees. The City currently contributes both the employee and employer share. The City contributes 9% of the regular salary, with the employer paid member contribution reported as “compensation earnable” for retirement purposes.
Health Benefits - The City provides a cafeteria benefit plan allowance to purchase medical, dental vision, supplemental life insurance and enhanced long-term disability. Currently, the City allocates $8,594 annually for this plan. Reimbursement for health care and dependent care expenses is also available.
Leave Benefits - The City provides 184 to 224 hours of annual leave, depending on number of years of service. The City also provides 11 paid holidays and 1 floating holiday per year.
Administrative Leave
- The City provides executives with 80 hours of administrative leave per fiscal year.
Life Insurance - The City provides one times salary Term Life plus $25,000 Term Life and $25,000 Accidental Death & Dismemberment (AD&D).
Tuition Reimbursement - The City provides up to $1,000 per fiscal year for reimbursement for the directly related cost of tuition, school fees, books and required materials for approved courses.
Automobile Allowance - The Director of Police Services is provided the use of a City vehicle.
<<<snip
Not too shabby for a little island with no crime, eh?
lauriej
11-30-2011, 03:22 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/16150816/911-call-released-in-hanging-death-at-coronados-spreckels-mansion
911 call released in hanging death at Spreckels mansion
CORONADO, Calif. (CBS 8) - A dramatic 911 call that reported a hanging death at Coronado's Spreckels mansion has been released to News 8. Most of the four and a half minute audio recording has never been heard publicly.
The call was placed to Coronado police dispatch by Adam Shacknai, the brother of the mansion owner, Jonah Shacknai
----------Meanwhile, a meeting between Sheriff Bill Gore and two Zahau family attorneys scheduled for Wednesday, Nov. 30 had been postponed until next month.
lauriej
11-30-2011, 03:56 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/story/16150816/911-call-released-in-hanging-death-at-coronados-spreckels-mansion
Adam called 911 on his cell phone at 6:45 a.m. on July 13 to report finding his brother's girlfriend, Rebecca Zahau, 32, hanging from a courtyard balcony.
DISPATCHER: 911 emergency. What are you reporting?
ADAM SHACKNAI: Yeah, I got a girl hung herself in the guest house of ah... it's on Ocean Blvd. across from the hotel; the same place that you came and got the kid yesterday.
DISPATCHER: Okay, sir, what is the address?
ADAM SHACKNAI: I'm not sure, ah, I'm not sure. Let me call you back.
During the 911 call, Adam Shacknai can be heard hyperventilating while apparently moving a wooden table into a position underneath the naked, bound and gagged body of Rebecca Zahau.
At one point, it sounds as if one of the wooden legs of the table breaks off and falls to the ground, while Adam scrambles to cut down Zahau's corpse.
The Coronado dispatch recording ends after 4 minutes 46 seconds, even though the 911 call continues with Heartland dispatchers. That final portion of the 911 audio was recorded by Heartland but has not been released.
Heartland has denied several News 8 requests to release the audio under the California Public Records Act, claiming the audio is exempt from disclosure as a law enforcement investigatory record.
The first portion of the 911 call – the one recorded by Coronado police dispatch and aired by News 8 – was apparently released by mistake.
Mrs. Holmes
11-30-2011, 09:22 AM
The missing 8 seconds...... and the final portion of the call.... not released... It sounds like in the call AS puts the phone down and then comes back to it.
Another month for the meeting puts it at Christmas? I wonder why? Who was not ready?
lauriej
11-30-2011, 02:12 PM
The missing 8 seconds...... and the final portion of the call.... not released... It sounds like in the call AS puts the phone down and then comes back to it.
Another month for the meeting puts it at Christmas? I wonder why? Who was not ready?
..it reads "postponed until next month", nor "for" a month..
..'next month' begins tomorrow.
cynic
11-30-2011, 09:37 PM
This is my transcript of the call:
911 Operator: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
AS: Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house, over, it's on Ocean Boulevard across from the hotel. Same place you came and got the kid yesterday.
911 Operator: Okay sir, what is the address?
AS: I’m not sure, uh…, 19… on the back house it’s 1928 something, uh, I’m not sure. Let me call you back.
(AS remains on the phone, however)
911 Operator: Okay sir, is she still alive?
AS: I don’t know.
(Various scraping sounds)
(Sound of stick falling?)
AS: S**t.
AS: F***
AS: No.
AS: F****n kid.
AS: Oops.
(8 seconds of silence)
AS: Ah.
911 Operator: Sir, are you there?
AS: Ah, ah, ah, ah…
(Sound of something breaking/snapping)
AS: Ah, are you alive?
AS: No…
AS: Hello… hello.
911 Operator: Yes sir.
AS: Did you get the address?
911 Operator: No sir, I need the address.
AS: I’m doing CPR right now.
AS: You came here yesterday to pick up a little boy.
911 Operator: Okay sir, I wasn't working yesterday. I don't know what you're talking about.
AS: You checked your records?
911 Operator: Sir, I checked all of the records yesterday. I can't find anything on Ocean Boulevard. Can you tell me what the address is?
AS: I'm looking. Just start sending them towards us, towards the hotel.
911 Operator: Okay, I understand that, I just need the exact address, I can’t help you until I have the address.
(AS is heard breathing heavily.)
AS: 1043 Ocean Boulevard.
911 Operator: 1043 Ocean, okay.
911 Operator: Is she still alive?
AS: I don’t think so.
911 Operator: Okay, let me get the fire department, sir, hang on, let me get the fire department on the phone to help you, hang on just a minute.
AS: F***, come on…
Fire/EMS operator: Fire, medical emergency.
911 Operator: Coronado with a transfer, go ahead sir.
Fire/EMS operator: Hi, what’s the emergency?
AS: Got a lady, hung herself.
Fire/EMS operator: What’s the address?
AS: 1043 Ocean Boulevard.
Fire/EMS operator: 1043 Ocean Boulevard?
AS: Yeah.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, what’s wrong?
AS: She hung herself, man, I just woke up.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, is this a house?
AS: It’s a house, yeah…
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, how old is she?
AS: She's about 30.
Fire/EMS operator: 30, okay, when's the last time you saw her?
AS: Last night.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, is she beyond help?
AS: I’m talking to, I’m doing, I’m compressing her chest right now, I’m up to about 20, 30 now.
Fire/EMS operator: What’s your name?
AS: Adam Shacknai.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, I have help on the way, what’s your cell phone number? Is it 901-485..?
AS: 901-485…
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, listen to me, help is coming right now, okay.
Fire/EMS operator: And PD, you're on the way?
911 Operator: Yes we are.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, and you’re right there with her, did you cut her down?
AS: Yes I did.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, just stay with me.
curiousjo
12-01-2011, 08:34 AM
My computer speakers are down - I can't hear AS voice or backgound noises. Does the live tape give you any clues? Is this a man who truley did just find a girl hung in the backyard?
This is my transcript of the call:
911 Operator: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
AS: Yeah, I got a girl, hung herself in the guest house, over, it's on Ocean Boulevard across from the hotel. Same place you came and got the kid yesterday.
911 Operator: Okay sir, what is the address?
AS: I’m not sure, uh…, 19… on the back house it’s 1928 something, uh, I’m not sure. Let me call you back.
(AS remains on the phone, however)
911 Operator: Okay sir, is she still alive?
AS: I don’t know.
(Various scraping sounds)
(Sound of stick falling?)
AS: S**t.
AS: F***
AS: No.
AS: F****n kid.
AS: Oops.
(8 seconds of silence)
AS: Ah.
911 Operator: Sir, are you there?
AS: Ah, ah, ah, ah…
(Sound of something breaking/snapping)
AS: Ah, are you alive?
AS: No…
AS: Hello… hello.
911 Operator: Yes sir.
AS: Did you get the address?
911 Operator: No sir, I need the address.
AS: I’m doing CPR right now.
AS: You came here yesterday to pick up a little boy.
911 Operator: Okay sir, I wasn't working yesterday. I don't know what you're talking about.
AS: You checked your records?
911 Operator: Sir, I checked all of the records yesterday. I can't find anything on Ocean Boulevard. Can you tell me what the address is?
AS: I'm looking. Just start sending them towards us, towards the hotel.
911 Operator: Okay, I understand that, I just need the exact address, I can’t help you until I have the address.
(AS is heard breathing heavily.)
AS: 1043 Ocean Boulevard.
911 Operator: 1043 Ocean, okay.
911 Operator: Is she still alive?
AS: I don’t think so.
911 Operator: Okay, let me get the fire department, sir, hang on, let me get the fire department on the phone to help you, hang on just a minute.
AS: F***, come on…
Fire/EMS operator: Fire, medical emergency.
911 Operator: Coronado with a transfer, go ahead sir.
Fire/EMS operator: Hi, what’s the emergency?
AS: Got a lady, hung herself.
Fire/EMS operator: What’s the address?
AS: 1043 Ocean Boulevard.
Fire/EMS operator: 1043 Ocean Boulevard?
AS: Yeah.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, what’s wrong?
AS: She hung herself, man, I just woke up.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, is this a house?
AS: It’s a house, yeah…
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, how old is she?
AS: She's about 30.
Fire/EMS operator: 30, okay, when's the last time you saw her?
AS: Last night.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, is she beyond help?
AS: I’m trying… give me some, I’m doing, I’m compressing her chest right now, I’m up to about 20, 30 now.
Fire/EMS operator: What’s your name?
AS: Adam Shacknai.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, I have help on the way, what’s your cell phone number? Is it 901-485..?
AS: 901-485…
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, listen to me, help is coming right now, okay.
Fire/EMS operator: And PD, you're on the way?
911 Operator: Yes we are.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, and you’re right there with her, did you cut her down?
AS: Yes I did.
Fire/EMS operator: Okay, just stay with me.
Who is the "F****n kid" Adam refers to? Rebecca or Max? Who? How curious that this phrase happens right before the 8 secs of silence in audio. One wonders what else Adam might have let slip and whether the gap is an intentional edit by LE?
Didn't Adam tell LE he was watching porn on his Iphone right before he discovered Rebecca's body? Why does he say in this 911 call that he "just woke up"?
Mrs. Holmes
12-01-2011, 02:15 PM
When did he get the knife.... there is no mention of it.... to cut the rope? During the missing 8 seconds? At first listen it sounds genuine enough.
chantal8991
12-01-2011, 02:22 PM
The amount of conflicting information in the autopsy report leaves me with no confidence in the integrity of this investigation. The way it reads makes me suspect that these officials are used to writing down whatever they think will sound good and lend support to their pre-determined conclusion.
I gave AS the benifit of the doubt before, but the 911 call has convinced me that he was trying to distance himself from the situation by referring to RN as "a girl" and Maxie as "the kid". I don't believe that he did CPR. I do suspect that RN may have been assaulted in the guest house. I do believe that AS tied the knots in the electrical cord.
JMO
There are several San Diego cases that officials determine what happened and that is the only direction they go.
As for the 911 call - have any of you ever heard an incoming call that the operator uses their first name? I am researching such and so far after over 100 calls I have found none.
TIA for any calls that you can steer me to.
chantal8991
12-01-2011, 02:30 PM
Who is the "F****n kid" Adam refers to? Rebecca or Max? Who? How curious that this phrase happens right before the 8 secs of silence in audio. One wonders what else Adam might have let slip and whether the gap is an intentional edit by LE?
Didn't Adam tell LE he was watching porn on his Iphone right before he discovered Rebecca's body? Why does he say in this 911 call that he "just woke up"?
This is his nephew and that is how he refers to this little boy? Some uncle! If I were Josh - I tell you I would be in his face so fast his head would spin. The kid? This guy has more than one mental problem and I do believe he was involved. This case - as in others have been concluded way too soon. IMO
I have a thought that just came to me after reading some of the prior posts. And if it has been brought up before - sorry.
OK - AS was supposedly watching Asian anime....Rebecca is a very small Asian woman...wonder if he, in his sick mind, was able to transfer her to his "desires".
defense101
12-02-2011, 04:20 PM
Who is the "F****n kid" Adam refers to? Rebecca or Max? Who? How curious that this phrase happens right before the 8 secs of silence in audio. One wonders what else Adam might have let slip and whether the gap is an intentional edit by LE?
Didn't Adam tell LE he was watching porn on his Iphone right before he discovered Rebecca's body? Why does he say in this 911 call that he "just woke up"? When I listen to it, I don't hear "F****n kid" I hear " F***ing kiddin' me."
When I listen to it, I don't hear "F****n kid" I hear "you F***ing kiddin' me."
I had quoted Cynic's transcript of the 911. He hears "F****n kid" and so did I when I first heard the audio.
I just listened to it again. Still sounds like "F****n kid" to me. I don't hear the words "kiddin' me".
defense101
12-02-2011, 06:29 PM
I had quoted Cynic's transcript of the 911. He hears "F****n kid" and so did I when I first heard the audio.
I just listened to it again. Still sounds like "F****n kid" to me. I don't hear the words "kiddin' me". I still hear f****ng kiddin' me. I used your quote as it was closest to the bottom that mentioned the kid quote, I just wanted to give my opinion of what I heard.
cynic
12-02-2011, 06:31 PM
I had quoted Cynic's transcript of the 911. He hears "F****n kid" and so did I when I first heard the audio.
I just listened to it again. Still sounds like "F****n kid" to me. I don't hear the words "kiddin' me".
It is a difficult section of the recording.
AS dwells a bit on the last consonant leading people to believe there is more there, but I just finished enhancing and slowing that section down and it's definitely, "F****n kid."
I will upload the clip to YouTube shortly.
cynic
12-02-2011, 06:45 PM
Here is the section slowed down and enhanced:
ASCLP1 - YouTube
defense101
12-02-2011, 07:20 PM
Thanks Cynic, I'm not hearing the me at the end, but I still hear an N at the end of kid. I have tinnitus maybe thats why?
jjenny
12-02-2011, 07:33 PM
I don't hear any Ns at the end of the kid.
Thanks Cynic, I'm not hearing the me at the end, but I still hear an N at the end of kid. I have tinnitus maybe thats why?
I hear the N at the end too: 'kiddin'. And same as you, I have tinnitus so that might explain why we both hear an n sound at the end. Hmmm, weird.
arielilane
12-02-2011, 10:09 PM
It sounded to me that he said F****n kid. That is crazy...
justbetweenus
12-03-2011, 12:34 AM
I had quoted Cynic's transcript of the 911. He hears "F****n kid" and so did I when I first heard the audio.
I just listened to it again. Still sounds like "F****n kid" to me. I don't hear the words "kiddin' me".
I hear f***n damn thing.
Carpe Pacem
12-03-2011, 02:37 AM
Listened to Cynic's enhanced audio and hear the same thing he does. Shocking verbiage.
ziggy
12-03-2011, 03:50 AM
I hear ******ing kid...but I still think the "ding me" was trailed off and not audible or was not picked up. I don't see why he would blame Max or say something like that and to the contrary I say are you effing kidding me all the time when I'M FRUSTRATED or in a hurry to do something and another thing gets in the way etc.
This is the first time I've listened to it multiple times in a row. I can't help but think he sounds surprised and panicked. I also wonder why he doesn't tell her it's Johan S's house or give Max's name. But then again I think he's freaked out. Is that the sound of him attempting chest compression? It sounds like he is doing something physically demanding.
Rhyme & Reason
12-03-2011, 01:29 PM
Wow. I clearly hear f*****g kid. Clearly. I don't have tinnitus either. lol
jjenny
12-03-2011, 02:49 PM
I hear ******ing kid...but I still think the "ding me" was trailed off and not audible or was not picked up. I don't see why he would blame Max or say something like that and to the contrary I say are you effing kidding me all the time when I'M FRUSTRATED or in a hurry to do something and another thing gets in the way etc.
This is the first time I've listened to it multiple times in a row. I can't help but think he sounds surprised and panicked. I also wonder why he doesn't tell her it's Johan S's house or give Max's name. But then again I think he's freaked out. Is that the sound of him attempting chest compression? It sounds like he is doing something physically demanding.
She couldn't even be laid on her back because her hands were tied behind her back. So how did he do these chest compressions?
cynic
12-03-2011, 04:35 PM
I hear ******ing kid...but I still think the "ding me" was trailed off and not audible or was not picked up. I don't see why he would blame Max or say something like that and to the contrary I say are you effing kidding me all the time when I'M FRUSTRATED or in a hurry to do something and another thing gets in the way etc.
This is the first time I've listened to it multiple times in a row. I can't help but think he sounds surprised and panicked. I also wonder why he doesn't tell her it's Johan S's house or give Max's name. But then again I think he's freaked out. Is that the sound of him attempting chest compression? It sounds like he is doing something physically demanding.
I’ve looked at the frequency output during that section and have done every conceivable audio boost to try and pick up anything before or after f…n kid and there is nothing, not even the faintest whisper.
Normally the full phrase would be “you’re f…n kidding me,” or, “you’ve got to be f…n kidding me,” etc, in other words there would be something preceding and following and there is nothing.
Below is another clip of that section at full speed and two successively slower speeds with some of the high frequency noise filtered out.
AS911FLT3 - YouTube
cynic
12-03-2011, 08:10 PM
I uploaded the full 911 call to YouTube, here:
Adam Shacknai 911 call - YouTube
cynic
12-03-2011, 08:22 PM
Did he say it twice?
This is in a very difficult part of the call, but he may have said f…n kid here as well.
In the full clip in my previous post, it would be @ 1:05
In the video below are three audio clips of the same section using different techniques to enhance the audio.
ASFK2 - YouTube
ziggy
12-04-2011, 12:42 AM
I understand what you're thinking, but seriously I don't say anything before effing kidding me...not you're before it. It's kind of like y'all. I shorten everything. I can see cutting the end short and not saying the "ding" part of the kidding due to an interruption in thought in a tense situation. What's the point in speaking of Max like that?
ziggy
12-04-2011, 12:47 AM
She couldn't even be laid on her back because her hands were tied behind her back. So how did he do these chest compressions?
Yeah I don't know. He's just making those exertion sounds. Would an idiot in a panic beat on someone's chest without lying them on their back for lack of really knowing anything about CPR? I honestly don't know. Basic ignorance is not much of a shock to me anymore. But then again neither is the ability to greatly deceive. There are too many facts left out of this scenario for me; too many unanswered questions.
I’ve looked at the frequency output during that section and have done every conceivable audio boost to try and pick up anything before or after f…n kid and there is nothing, not even the faintest whisper.
Normally the full phrase would be “you’re f…n kidding me,” or, “you’ve got to be f…n kidding me,” etc, in other words there would be something preceding and following and there is nothing.
Below is another clip of that section at full speed and two successively slower speeds with some of the high frequency noise filtered out.
AS911FLT3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSqvyyd3TQ4)
I have to deduce that defense101 and I have a special 'gift'. We aren't hearing what is said out loud, we are actually hearing the sentence as it goes through a persons mind. It's the only reasonable explanation.:innocent:
Peaceful
12-04-2011, 01:55 PM
I’ve looked at the frequency output during that section and have done every conceivable audio boost to try and pick up anything before or after f…n kid and there is nothing, not even the faintest whisper.
Normally the full phrase would be “you’re f…n kidding me,” or, “you’ve got to be f…n kidding me,” etc, in other words there would be something preceding and following and there is nothing.
Below is another clip of that section at full speed and two successively slower speeds with some of the high frequency noise filtered out.
AS911FLT3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSqvyyd3TQ4)
Wow Cynic! Another brilliant job! Thank you so much. THIS example you have provided clearly remove the possibility it was anything other than f'ing kid he said. The examples before that left me still questioning the possibility there was an ing after kid. What an amazingly talented man you are! A genius! Loved your radio interview with Dr. Wecht. :yourock:
Peaceful
12-04-2011, 02:15 PM
Did he say it twice?
This is in a very difficult part of the call, but he may have said f…n kid here as well.
In the full clip in my previous post, it would be @ 1:05
In the video below are three audio clips of the same section using different techniques to enhance the audio.
ASFK2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgIcLQNeBgM)
I do hear it twice. What a strange thing to say. There's the possibility he wasn't speaking of Max being that he wasn't the only kid that had been there. It's upsetting that the operator didn't tell him not to touch her. I would have thought that to be protocol?
Seemingly the time during which all this cursing is taking place, AS is rummaging through the kitchen in search of the knife to cut her down, correct? This confirms he had VERY quick access into the main house. Guess that wasn't interesting enough to be looked at further.
defense101
12-04-2011, 03:16 PM
Wow Cynic! Another brilliant job! Thank you so much. THIS example you have provided clearly remove the possibility it was anything other than f'ing kid he said. The examples before that left me still questioning the possibility there was an ing after kid. What an amazingly talented man you are! A genius! Loved your radio interview with Dr. Wecht. :yourock:
Nope, still hear the N...especially on the second one. Can't help what I hear :seeya:
jjenny
12-04-2011, 03:22 PM
I do hear it twice. What a strange thing to say. There's the possibility he wasn't speaking of Max being that he wasn't the only kid that had been there. It's upsetting that the operator didn't tell him not to touch her. I would have thought that to be protocol?
Seemingly the time during which all this cursing is taking place, AS is rummaging through the kitchen in search of the knife to cut her down, correct? This confirms he had VERY quick access into the main house. Guess that wasn't interesting enough to be looked at further.
The operator can't tell him not to touch her, because the operator doesn't know that she has been dead (for hours).
Peaceful
12-04-2011, 03:52 PM
The operator can't tell him not to touch her, because the operator doesn't know that she has been dead (for hours).
That makes sense to a certain extent but in my opinion, he could have been able to tell without cutting her down. Maybe not. We will never know either way. Appreciate the input very much!
defense101
12-04-2011, 05:53 PM
That makes sense to a certain extent but in my opinion, he could have been able to tell without cutting her down. Maybe not. We will never know either way. Appreciate the input very much! I agree, I think it would have been obvious that she was dead, but as you say we will never know...
lauriej
12-04-2011, 11:17 PM
Yeah I don't know. He's just making those exertion sounds. Would an idiot in a panic beat on someone's chest without lying them on their back for lack of really knowing anything about CPR? I honestly don't know. Basic ignorance is not much of a shock to me anymore. But then again neither is the ability to greatly deceive. There are too many facts left out of this scenario for me; too many unanswered questions.
..adamS is a captain on a tugboat. i would think he knows basic first aid , and probably CPR.
( i was a "lowly sailor" and we all had to cert in CPR.)
..at the very least-----while attempting to "save her" ---surely even an "idiot in a panic" would deal with the one thing that was suffocating her---cutting off the ROPE that was tied around her neck.
..and yet he didn't touch that.
ziggy
12-04-2011, 11:27 PM
..adamS is a captain on a tugboat. i would think he knows basic first aid , and probably CPR.
( i was a "lowly sailor" and we all had to cert in CPR.)
..at the very least-----while attempting to "save her" ---surely even an "idiot in a panic" would deal with the one thing that was suffocating her---cutting off the ROPE that was tied around her neck.
..and yet he didn't touch that.
Good points. I guess after being on this forum for umpteem years I tend to now hold people to the lowest standard and not the standard of what I think "they should know or what they should do". People are not as bright and not as capable as I think they should be ever! I do realize that there are reasonable standards - so maybe I should phrase it that way...I find the average person is not as knowledgeable about first aid etc. as you would imagine or tend to react completely out of character in a crisis.
I'm trying to minimally read into a person's action or omission to act without more facts. It's not the most dependable information.
coastal
12-05-2011, 12:06 AM
Did he say it twice?
This is in a very difficult part of the call, but he may have said f…n kid here as well.
In the full clip in my previous post, it would be @ 1:05
In the video below are three audio clips of the same section using different techniques to enhance the audio.
ASFK2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgIcLQNeBgM)
Maybe I'm projecting, but I hear "y' gottabe f-KIN' KIDD'n' me!"
I can understand that sentiment coming from him, considering what had happened at that house and to his family just a day or so earlier.
But, I'll listen again.
Thank you, cynic.
defense101
12-05-2011, 12:12 AM
I do have to say though thank heavens he did cut her down otherwise the video shown around the world would have been far more gruesome than it was.:maddening:
jjenny
12-05-2011, 12:52 AM
I do have to say though thank heavens he did cut her down otherwise the video shown around the world would have been far more gruesome than it was.:maddening:
I am really not worried about a video as I am about finding what happened to her. By cutting he down, the potential crime scene was compromised, to say the least.
lauriej
12-05-2011, 01:26 AM
..also--what's weird. ( as if this whole case isn't..)
..in the M.E. report, and Detective Tsuida's report ( which they say is info gathered from speaking to witnesses, reading detective's reports etc...)
.."adam said"--( in his statement i presume )---that he came out 'about 6:30' ----immediatley saw rebecca hanging, ran to get the knife, dragged over the table, cut her down-------and then, @ 6:48 , called 911.
..yet we hear ( allegedly ) him ON the 911 call running around doing these things.
..did he cut her down before, or during, the 911 call??
..if "during" -----what was he doing for the approx. other 18 minutes??
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B54MtfXlxRJbYjA3YzY2MTItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDg tMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
--rebecca A/R---M.E. investigator report---
defense101
12-05-2011, 09:53 AM
I am really not worried about a video as I am about finding what happened to her. By cutting he down, the potential crime scene was compromised, to say the least. Of course it was, but nothing said today can undo the fact that it was done, for the sake of the family I'm glad she was cut down, and as the ME didn't get there for what 14 hours it would have been awful for the family, the pictures and videos out there would have been far more disturbing.
nanwv
12-05-2011, 11:24 AM
If he really cut her down. I have trouble believing much of anything they "say".
coastal
12-05-2011, 01:10 PM
If he really cut her down. I have trouble believing much of anything they "say".
That's a good point, nanwv. So much is so different from the official version of events, trusting any of "them" about any of it gets harder all the time.
Welcome to Websleuths! :seeya:
defense101
12-05-2011, 02:37 PM
I really wonder how long she actually was lying in the grass, did he actually go to the kitchen get knife, come back get table,drag table on brick path, lose table leg, move table again to be supported by the cactus climb up get ahold of her, cut her down all while he was on the phone for that short period of time before he claims to be doing cpr on the 911 call? In the autopsy report it states that all of this was done prior to the 911 call so which is it? If it actually was done prior what the heck is he doing while on the phone? Setting up the scene? Look at the angle of the rope laying on the grass that heads to the right of the table, so he supposedly came down off the table on side supported by the cactus, IMO that would have tipped the table over no? We didn't hear him falling on the 911 call and the table was in the upright position in the police photos.
Bonepile
12-05-2011, 03:22 PM
I really wonder if the whole suicide from the balcony was not staged and that the murder happened elsewhere perhaps in the guest house? And I believe both Shacknai brothers are in it together, or they are very good at covering up for whoever did it, and making the Sheriff's department and their "11 investigators" believe it as well.
Peaceful
12-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Good evening everyone,
I have found this article to be a MUST read: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386/?tag=content;col1
It is very interesting what AS chooses to repeat throughout this 911 call. Specifically the part about the girl hung herself and the same place you picked up the kid. IMO, his intention is to make the 911 operator make a connection between Rebecca's death and Max's death as well as place the blame on her for her demise, removing the blame from himself. "The kid?" "yesterday"? (didn't sleep much that night?) "I got a girl?"??? HUNG HERSELF??? BS!
And what was he doing for 18 minutes before he called 911?
I had assumed he was cutting her down during the 911 call but I now realize that is not likely the case based on the statements he provided to police.
What a ridiculous joke this whole thing is. This is seriously an insult to the public's intelligence.
jjenny
12-05-2011, 09:02 PM
Interesting article. Reading it, several things come to mind. At least in the part of the call that we have, AS is not asking them to send an ambulance to get medical help for RZ. And apparently when AS said "I got a girl" according to the article he took "personal possession of a problem."
"Why would individuals call the emergency line and concentrate on themselves, reporting a problem without asking the dispatcher for assistance for the person who needs it?"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386/pg_2/?tag=content;col1
coastal
12-06-2011, 01:45 PM
I’ve looked at the frequency output during that section and have done every conceivable audio boost to try and pick up anything before or after f…n kid and there is nothing, not even the faintest whisper.
Normally the full phrase would be “you’re f…n kidding me,” or, “you’ve got to be f…n kidding me,” etc, in other words there would be something preceding and following and there is nothing.
Below is another clip of that section at full speed and two successively slower speeds with some of the high frequency noise filtered out.
AS911FLT3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSqvyyd3TQ4)
I hear "f-king KID" here...
I suppose Adam might have referred to Rebecca as "kid"; my ex-brother-in-law calls me "kiddo" to this day. But, he's twenty-six years older than I am, and was a father figure to ex after ex's dad died when ex was just 17. And, I was pretty much that, when we met (I was 25).
Had Jonah referred to Adam's 30yo girlfriend as "kid", I'd completely believe it, but Adam calling Rebecca that...not so much.
This says to me that even Adam immediately saw Rebecca's death as directly connected...to Maxie.
coastal
12-06-2011, 02:04 PM
Maybe I'm projecting, but I hear "y' gottabe f-KIN' KIDD'n' me!"
I can understand that sentiment coming from him, considering what had happened at that house and to his family just a day or so earlier.
But, I'll listen again.
Thank you, cynic.
Quoting myself to say that I hear "y' gottabe f-KIN' KIDD'n' me!" at 1:05 of the full version of the 911 tape cynic uploaded 12-3-2011 at 05:10PM.
coastal
12-06-2011, 02:09 PM
Good evening everyone,
I have found this article to be a MUST read: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386/?tag=content;col1
It is very interesting what AS chooses to repeat throughout this 911 call. Specifically the part about the girl hung herself and the same place you picked up the kid. IMO, his intention is to make the 911 operator make a connection between Rebecca's death and Max's death as well as place the blame on her for her demise, removing the blame from himself. "The kid?" "yesterday"? (didn't sleep much that night?) "I got a girl?"??? HUNG HERSELF??? BS!
And what was he doing for 18 minutes before he called 911?
I had assumed he was cutting her down during the 911 call but I now realize that is not likely the case based on the statements he provided to police.
What a ridiculous joke this whole thing is. This is seriously an insult to the public's intelligence.
Fascinating! Thank you, Peaceful.
Mrs. Holmes
12-06-2011, 02:26 PM
I read the entire article it is fascinating. AS actually says he will "call back" at one point he is NOT focused on getting RZ help. He doesn't ask for an ambulance he doesn't describe her situation. Chilling and very telling!
jjenny
12-06-2011, 06:59 PM
At least in the part of the call that we have available AS does not ask for an ambulance-but since he said he was doing chest compression I presume he had to be thinking she could still make it-so that certainly makes me curious. Doesn't prove anything of course but after reading that article I am certainly curious as to why he didn't ask for an ambulance (at least according to the part of 911 call that we have available) and why he said "I got a girl" taking personal possession of a problem. And another thing I find curious-why isn't he using any names to describe either Max or Rebecca? Even when 911 can't figure out how to find a house he didn't use any names that could potentially help 911 to find a house-such as Max S. instead of "boy" being picked up from the home.
Peaceful
12-06-2011, 08:01 PM
At least in the part of the call that we have available AS does not ask for an ambulance-but since he said he was doing chest compression I presume he had to be thinking she could still make it-so that certainly makes me curious. Doesn't prove anything of course but after reading that article I am certainly curious as to why he didn't ask for an ambulance (at least according to the part of 911 call that we have available) and why he said "I got a girl" taking personal possession of a problem. And another thing I find curious-why isn't he using any names to describe either Max or Rebecca? Even when 911 can't figure out how to find a house he didn't use any names that could potentially help 911 to find a house-such as Max S. instead of "boy" being picked up from the home.
I said it before and ill say it again, I believe the purpose of him saying this is to connect the two incidents from the beginning of the thorough and scientific investigation. Very telling, for sure.
Sheriff Gore is a pompous a-hole if you ask me. His day will come.
dovebar
12-07-2011, 12:04 AM
At least in the part of the call that we have available AS does not ask for an ambulance-but since he said he was doing chest compression I presume he had to be thinking she could still make it-so that certainly makes me curious. Doesn't prove anything of course but after reading that article I am certainly curious as to why he didn't ask for an ambulance (at least according to the part of 911 call that we have available) and why he said "I got a girl" taking personal possession of a problem. And another thing I find curious-why isn't he using any names to describe either Max or Rebecca? Even when 911 can't figure out how to find a house he didn't use any names that could potentially help 911 to find a house-such as Max S. instead of "boy" being picked up from the home.
Yes, how about his just saying SPRECKELS MANSION. That seems to be the way everyone in San Diego knows it, and even if he didn't know the address, the 911 operator could google it in 2 seconds and get the address.
dovebar
12-07-2011, 12:26 AM
Thanks for posting that article.
It seems to me the call exhibits the following signs of guilt, unless I misremember:
- accepted the death of the victim
- resisted full cooperation by not responding to the dispatchers' inquiries, repeating words, and providing unclear responses.
- was there use of 'Huh?'
- could not immediately answer dispatcher questions because he had not tracked his own fabricated story
- does not continue with one thought process or uses self-interruptions and changes the direction of the topic.
cynic
12-07-2011, 10:01 PM
A phony 911 call can hurt you in front of a smart jury.
In the clip below, I have the 911 call followed by a juror’s analysis.
PH911C - YouTube
From the 48 Hours Mystery episode, House of Secrets
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/20/48hours/main20064743.shtml
Mrs. Holmes
12-08-2011, 01:49 AM
Well this fellow in the video was a doctor but still it makes you really re-think AS and the 911 call.
arielilane
12-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Just as a poster already has mentioned; I'm almost certain that the
"suicide" from the balcony was staged. The murder took place elsewhere, guesthouse? Who knows with the head injuries.
dovebar
12-09-2011, 08:31 PM
That would certainly be a Freudian slip by AS. He stated she was killed in the guesthouse. Maybe he was right.
1&2&3
12-09-2011, 08:41 PM
Among the amazing things to me besides what has been mentioned is the statement from Adam that "I"ll call you back" to the 911 operator when he does not know the address.
For me, Adam over dramatized this call! It seems he had been coached what needed to be included, he had practiced, and when the moment came he made the call, the operator asking him questions totally blew his thought process. After that, everything just came tumbling out! Bet JS was livid when he heard the call as I guarantee it is nothing like it was supposed to be! Consequently, Adam has been sent into a secret hiding place compliments of big brother!
dovebar
12-10-2011, 11:21 PM
It sure would be interesting to know how often innocent people hang up on the 911 operator!
It seems like the most natural thing to do - if you were trying to cut someone down or had to run somewhere - would be to stay on the phone, or say you were putting the phone down. If you were really frantic for help, you wouldn't sever the connection.
To me, it seems exactly what you said. He had planned to say one thing, but the questions put him off his game. He had to hang up to get his story together.
defense101
12-11-2011, 01:44 AM
Since Jonah has owned the mansion since 2007, what would be interesting would be to know if Adam had been to 1043 Ocean Blvd in previous years, if so then the possibility that his heavy breathing as if running to the front of the house to read the house numbers could be a ruse as well.
dovebar
12-11-2011, 02:36 AM
Another "tell" to me is that I always know the street I'm staying on. Even if I'm at a friend's and don't know the house number, I could give the street and the general vicinity on the street. Landmarks. "It's the big white house across from the blue house and the palm tree!"
Are we also supposed to think that AS had never sent JS a piece of mail? I know my siblings' and friends' addresses by heart.
justice be served
12-11-2011, 06:12 PM
Since Jonah has owned the mansion since 2007, what would be interesting would be to know if Adam had been to 1043 Ocean Blvd in previous years, if so then the possibility that his heavy breathing as if running to the front of the house to read the house numbers could be a ruse as well.
The article written by the Medicis author made a point, I believe, of mentioning that Adam ALWAYS stayed in the guest house. That, along with other specific points that seemed to be obviously mentioned, seemed odd then and now. I can look for the article.
justice be served
12-11-2011, 06:38 PM
The article written by the Medicis author made a point, I believe, of mentioning that Adam ALWAYS stayed in the guest house. That, along with other specific points that seemed to be obviously mentioned, seemed odd then and now. I can look for the article.
Here is the link to this tidbit of info:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html
'Zahau dropped Jonah back at the hospital a little before 8 p.m., and she and Adam returned to the mansion. It had been a long and stressful day and they were both exhausted, so they said their goodnights and Zahau retired to the main house. Adam, who had visited several times before, always bunked in the same room in the guesthouse, off the courtyard.'
This article mentions any number of 'facts' that seem important to the author (commissioner of the article more on point) such as when the children flew out. Why is where Adam usually stayed in the mansion so important to get that fact/factoid out there now that we know more after the 911 call, etc?
SunnieRN
12-19-2011, 05:46 PM
Here is the link to this tidbit of info:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html
'Zahau dropped Jonah back at the hospital a little before 8 p.m., and she and Adam returned to the mansion. It had been a long and stressful day and they were both exhausted, so they said their goodnights and Zahau retired to the main house. Adam, who had visited several times before, always bunked in the same room in the guesthouse, off the courtyard.'
This article mentions any number of 'facts' that seem important to the author (commissioner of the article more on point) such as when the children flew out. Why is where Adam usually stayed in the mansion so important to get that fact/factoid out there now that we know more after the 911 call, etc?
Funny though, that now the story is that they ate inside the hospital. And I still find it odd that all three of them, Rebecca, Adam and Jonah, would have taken Luber to the airport. He had a rental car and could have easily driven himself.
Also, was Luber at the hospital overnight? Lot's of Luber questions indeed.
Mrs. Holmes
12-21-2011, 12:40 PM
Funny though, that now the story is that they ate inside the hospital. And I still find it odd that all three of them, Rebecca, Adam and Jonah, would have taken Luber to the airport. He had a rental car and could have easily driven himself.
Also, was Luber at the hospital overnight? Lot's of Luber questions indeed.
Yes, his complete whereabouts need to be investigated. He has been in a relationship longer than anyone mentioned outside of family with JS
And with AS, JS could have asked AS to come to Coronado to help him force RZ to move out. The dog was already in the kennell that is a sign of trouble in the relationship.
Still shocked AS told LE he was whacking off to porn that morning. CREEPY!!!
Mrs. Holmes
12-21-2011, 12:44 PM
I wonder if JS EVER returned to the mansion since MS's accident? As I have mentioned DS came home... but JS didn't.... clear sign he blamed RZ.. especially the dog being put in the kennell... AND after he leaves the so called "devastating" voicemail.. RZ never calls him back?
If only LE had gotten a copy of the voicemail I think this case would be solved by now.
dovebar
12-22-2011, 01:18 AM
Funny though, that now the story is that they ate inside the hospital. And I still find it odd that all three of them, Rebecca, Adam and Jonah, would have taken Luber to the airport. He had a rental car and could have easily driven himself.
Also, was Luber at the hospital overnight? Lot's of Luber questions indeed.
I'm a little lost.
Where was Luber's rental car then - who returned it if he was driven to the airport?
A car would make a very private place to try to confront someone, or threaten someone, or get a story straight....
arielilane
01-02-2012, 05:14 PM
AS reflects same detachment in 911 call that Patsy Ramsey did in her 911 call.
Hyperventilating and never mentions JonBenet by name, only "daughter".
911-What is your name?
Patsy -"Patsy Ramsey, I'm the mother"
http://www.acandyrose.com/patsy911-FFJ.mp3 (http://www.acandyrose.com/patsy911-FFJ.mp3)
freespeech
07-16-2012, 02:16 AM
When I listen to it, I don't hear "F****n kid" I hear " F***ing kiddin' me."
I didn't hear "F***n kid" either. I heard "F***in kiddin' me" too.
freespeech
07-16-2012, 02:56 AM
Nope, still hear the N...especially on the second one. Can't help what I hear :seeya:
Me too. I also still hear the N...even after listening umpteen times. It's disturbing because it seems as though he's talking to someone else who was there with him.
I've wondered if that could be why they took so long to release the tape. Another person's voice could have been edited out. That could be a reason for the 8 second gap of dead silence.
freespeech
07-16-2012, 03:06 AM
If he really cut her down. I have trouble believing much of anything they "say".
I agree. Adam was the only witness that stated she was hanging. He was also allegedly the last to see her alive and the first to find her deceased.
His LDT result was inconclusive. The polygrapher recommended that Adam retake the test but her never did. So why did Gore decided to believe Adam's statements rather than investigate further? Did know Gore know Adam well enough to personally vouch for him?
I don't understand the logic that he used to call that one. :twocents:
freespeech
07-16-2012, 03:21 AM
Did he say it twice?
This is in a very difficult part of the call, but he may have said f…n kid here as well.
In the full clip in my previous post, it would be @ 1:05
In the video below are three audio clips of the same section using different techniques to enhance the audio.
ASFK2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgIcLQNeBgM)
To me it sounds like he's saying "you're sh**in" to someone else who is there with him. After Adam says "you're sh**n" there's an echoey sound that overlays and distorts another voice. The other voice is unintelligible but kind of sounds something like"why don't you be quiet..." Seems to me that the tape was tampered.
scorekeeper
08-10-2012, 09:52 PM
Another tape with a missing section....
When he asks if they got the address, the first thought I had was - it was like he had expected someone else to have already given them the address. Was there someone else there in the background (possibly on the grassy knoll...sorry wrong thread)
Could be possible that he had a blue tooth on...it sounded like he was doing CPR on something that had "air" in it....didn't sound right to me
Why is there so much "time" when the operator is not talking to him.. on the few occasions I have had to call 911 they were continuously asking me questions about the person/situation...why do we hear all this back ground stuff going on...moving the table...table leg breaking...Did not the operator recognize the Shacknai name??
girl, kid, guesthouse...never giving AS second lie detector ... .something is totally wrong with this case....
The whole tape is weird...:waitasec:
CuriousGeorgia
08-11-2012, 02:59 AM
Yes, how about his just saying SPRECKELS MANSION. That seems to be the way everyone in San Diego knows it, and even if he didn't know the address, the 911 operator could google it in 2 seconds and get the address.
Uh, cause maybe it's not his house, he lives in Memphis, he's only visiting, he doesn't know the address and doesn't know it by Spreckles, it is 6:45 in the morning, he hasn't had his coffee and he's just found his brother's girlfriend hanging???!!!
I bet you he's saying, "your f'n kidding me" when he sees the bindings".
I think he is doing his best to get her down to see if she is alive. I think he did the best he could under the circumstances.
Another tape with a missing section....
When he asks if they got the address, the first thought I had was - it was like he had expected someone else to have already given them the address. Was there someone else there in the background (possibly on the grassy knoll...sorry wrong thread)
Could be possible that he had a blue tooth on...it sounded like he was doing CPR on something that had "air" in it....didn't sound right to me
Why is there so much "time" when the operator is not talking to him.. on the few occasions I have had to call 911 they were continuously asking me questions about the person/situation...why do we hear all this back ground stuff going on...moving the table...table leg breaking...Did not the operator recognize the Shacknai name??
girl, kid, guesthouse...never giving AS second lie detector ... .something is totally wrong with this case....
The whole tape is weird...:waitasec:
Thanks for pointing all that out ... this is one of the creepiest 911 calls I have ever heard, most notably because he turns to an obviously dead body and asks her a question, like it's funny - that in itself is degrading, but in addition, he doesn't even identify her as someone he knows, let alone as someone living in the house. As far as I see it, that is ironic given it was Rebecca's home and he was a guest.
CuriousGeorgia
08-11-2012, 02:06 PM
I think he was just trying to give the 911 operator the basics, girl, boy, etc. And the operator was being a real witch...not helpful at ALL.
deanna82437
08-11-2012, 02:25 PM
OT
:ufo:
/OT
Posted prior to TO ..
jjenny
08-11-2012, 03:22 PM
I agree. Adam was the only witness that stated she was hanging. He was also allegedly the last to see her alive and the first to find her deceased.
His LDT result was inconclusive. The polygrapher recommended that Adam retake the test but her never did. So why did Gore decided to believe Adam's statements rather than investigate further? Did know Gore know Adam well enough to personally vouch for him?
I don't understand the logic that he used to call that one. :twocents:
And as I recall, Nina didn't take a LTD at all, despite admitting trying to talk to Rebecca on the very night in question. And police didn't seem to care.
NatalieRose
08-13-2012, 02:12 AM
Yes, his complete whereabouts need to be investigated. He has been in a relationship longer than anyone mentioned outside of family with JS
And with AS, JS could have asked AS to come to Coronado to help him force RZ to move out. The dog was already in the kennell that is a sign of trouble in the relationship.
Still shocked AS told LE he was whacking off to porn that morning. CREEPY!!!
JS needed a seed planted, so he asked AS to come to Coronado.
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