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Carla Lashelle
01-07-2012, 08:33 AM
Hey at least LE has done something. AFAIK this is the first announcement that any kind of warrant has been served on anyone. Perhaps its to get this TC guy to back down? Perhaps they feel he may have some real info he is keeping from police? I am rather surprised that he has not been called in sooner. His antics really drew a lot of attention to him early on.

wfgodot
01-07-2012, 09:00 AM
This accomplishes nothing unless it moves the case forward, toward finding Holly. It appears to be only grandstanding on LE's part.

CocoChanel
01-07-2012, 09:42 AM
This accomplishes nothing unless it moves the case forward, toward finding Holly. It appears to be only grandstanding on LE's part.

I agree with that wfgodot.

AND I know I am probably a lone wolf here, but I still don't get why this guy is considered the devil. True, his actions are questionable, but I don't see anything he is accused of as horrible, and apparently none of these things have proved to be illegal or he would have been arrested I would think.

Referring to Holly as "baby girl"? Perhaps a bit odd and overly familiar, but not outrageous. How is it different from "dear girl" or "precious girl", terms many folks online have used for HB and other missing persons even though they don't know them personally?

Harrassing women to call? The women cited in the article were the administrators of a highly-regarded Find Holly FB page, so they weren't random. Still doesn't make it right to do, but I would have to know more about how the it fit the term 'harrassment'.

Making false claims online? Yes, that alone is enough to discredit this guy, but I'm not sure how it fits 'hindering an investigation'. There must be tons of false claims all over the internet about HB. Unless this guy was soliciting $$ to go towards his fictious searches, I can't understand how he hindered the investigation.

Now, the fact that the search of this guy's home is a very good thing IMHO because it got some news reports generated about HB which was sorely needed. I applaud that. I am grateful for any mention of HB in the media to keep as many thinking about her as possible. Whenever people talk about HB, I think it increases the chance that someone might call with that 'one clue' LE has said they are missing to find her.

Now, I'm debating whether to click the SUBMIT button on this post. These are just my opinions on this TC guy and his involvement in the case. Realizing I am probably the only one who thinks he is harmless makes me uneasy so I will don my flamewear and duck. <gulp>

TxLady2
01-07-2012, 09:48 AM
Isabelle Zehnder has a very good article on all this:

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/search-warrant-against-tony-calabrese-for-obstructing-holly-bobo-investigation

Yeah, I read that. Interesting.

TxLady2
01-07-2012, 09:52 AM
Well, if sending TBI false leads and what he claims is evidence, and naming young men who he says are 'points of interest" and directing them to watch these people and harrassing people who are actually trying to help find Holly... I suppose that could be called hindering an investigation.

Carla Lashelle
01-07-2012, 10:45 AM
This accomplishes nothing unless it moves the case forward, toward finding Holly. It appears to be only grandstanding on LE's part.

I don't agree at all. To me it borders on impersonating a police officer. This guy is NOT a professional or professional organization based on what I have seen. While he has told LE that he is not law enforcement, you can bet he certainly tries to give that impression to other people. And telling potential witnesses or people with information not to go to the FBI, TBI etc is NOT professional and NOT helpful. Describing false finds, false tips, etc. is NOT helpful

I can't see why people support this guy. He should have been busted months ago just for being a jerk. There is no need for anyone like him to be involved PERIOD.

Yoda
01-07-2012, 10:52 AM
Isabelle Zehnder has a very good article on all this:

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/search-warrant-against-tony-calabrese-for-obstructing-holly-bobo-investigation

Great article. This reporter is actually a reporter!!

wfgodot
01-07-2012, 11:07 AM
I don't agree at all. To me it borders on impersonating a police officer. This guy is NOT a professional or professional organization based on what I have seen. While he has told LE that he is not law enforcement, you can bet he certainly tries to give that impression to other people. And telling potential witnesses or people with information not to go to the FBI, TBI etc is NOT professional and NOT helpful. Describing false finds, false tips, etc. is NOT helpful

I can't see why people support this guy. He should have been busted months ago just for being a jerk. There is no need for anyone like him to be involved PERIOD.
You miss my point. Of course he's a jerk. Big deal. That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. How is this helpful? To the actual case, to finding Holly? So he's not helpful. Big deal. Neither has TBI been. If they have charges to file against him, let them. But that is not what is really at issue here. Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.

Carla Lashelle
01-07-2012, 12:26 PM
You miss my point. Of course he's a jerk. Big deal. That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. How is this helpful? To the actual case, to finding Holly? So he's not helpful. Big deal. Neither has TBI been. If they have charges to file against him, let them. But that is not what is really at issue here. Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.

Well after 8 months its not likely that LE is burning the midnight oil doing much else. I look at this as being sort of an official *****-slap. It can't hurt anything and I doubt that the 9 guys it took to seize this guys computer took a lot of manpower off of the case back in Darden. And who knows, what if he did have something of interest on his computer?

See back home (Ukraine) if someone did that kind of nonsense like interfering with a police investigation the cops would have just stomped the living crap out of him and it would be over and done with.

cluciano63
01-07-2012, 02:51 PM
LE would be remiss to not investigate this character, IMO and probably should have done so sooner. In Ayla's case, LE quickly jumped on a person who posted an odd poem in the "comments" section of an article, to make sure that person was not involved in any way, and this guy seems to have attached himself to Holly's case from the start in a seemingly personal way.

CocoChanel
01-07-2012, 03:01 PM
I find it a bit odd that more news sites are not reporting this search of TC's home. There are only a handful of articles that turn up in a Google news search. Can anyone find something other than examiner.com and ***********? Only one other source that I can locate is reporting this story on the search that happened yesterday. What do you all make of that?

cluciano63
01-07-2012, 03:16 PM
I find it a bit odd that more news sites are not reporting this search of TC's home. There are only a handful of articles that turn up in a Google news search. Can anyone find something other than examiner.com and ***********? Only one other source that I can locate is reporting this story on the search that happened yesterday. What do you all make of that?

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16464858/i-team-new-details-in-search-for-holly-bobo-case

If you google his name along with Holly's, more things show up...at least for me.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:05 PM
It has been said it was Turkey camo. We had a big discussion about it here some while ago with illustrations posted, etc.

Thank you Carla! That narrows down a list of suspects. It takes stranger right out of the loop. Since Turkey camo is distinct, it is likely the suspect is a turkey hunter. now where exactly were all the turkey hunters at that particular time?

....Clint says he was home and gives no explanation of why he wasn't hunting. He claims to have spoken with Drew about it the night before. Yet Drew went with his father and never told Clint where he was going? Sorry, can't even buy that in the slightest.

....Drew and his dad are turkey hunting on Holly's family's property but apparently no one was told about this. Holly didn't know. Clint didn't know and he is an avid hunter. Only Karen knew....hmmm.

Where is Drew? Where is this person who confonted him at the grandma's house? And why such an uproar over it? By 0730, Drew is furious (guessing) as he calls Holly to complain about the confrontation. Holly is upset and calls her mom about the confrontation. Mom calls drew, she says. We know this because mom told clint she was just talking to Drew, so it can't be him that he saw outside, she says. I don't necessarily believe Karen spoke with Drew, but may have been exaggerating and knew Holly had spoken to Drew.

Along with all the hoopala, along comes a stranger who harms and abducts Holly. I cannot buy any of these explanations of what happened that morning. We need to hear from Drew and we need to hear from the neighbor who heard the scream, Instead of rendering aid, he decided to go to work and called his "mom" and told her there was a scream coming from the Bobo's. The mom calls Karen instead of investigating.

Was the Bobo house ever searched? Where were the bloodhounds? Where did they trail the blood? And if nowhere, that means the last spot Holly was was in the carport where she dripped blood.

That makes Clint suspect of what he believes he saw. We now know he saw a man wearing "tukey camo" with Holly. It may very well have been Drew.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:08 PM
My gut instincts have told me that Clint is remembering his observations from a different vantage point then the house.

cluciano63
01-07-2012, 07:27 PM
We only "know" the turkey camo bit from Clint, right? Like just about everything else we "know"? So I don't count it as a fact, since he was (apparently) wrong about who the person was, he could be wrong about what kind of camo he was wearing.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:29 PM
Well, if sending TBI false leads and what he claims is evidence, and naming young men who he says are 'points of interest" and directing them to watch these people and harrassing people who are actually trying to help find Holly... I suppose that could be called hindering an investigation.

Look what they did to Roy Kronk?

Do the Bobo's have an attorney? This case is progressing as if they do.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:31 PM
We only "know" the turkey camo bit from Clint, right? Like just about everything else we "know"? So I don't count it as a fact, since he was (apparently) wrong about who the person was, he could be wrong about what kind of camo he was wearing.

Well if we totally disregard his observations, that leaves him with guilty kge of what happened.

If we accept his observations, that leaves us with a Turkey Hunter as a perp.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:36 PM
Another thing...Dana spoke to Holly @ 0430/0530...through her bedroom door. He was leaving money for her. She told him she would need some, when he asked her. This affirms, if true, that Holly was awake very early and her father didn't enter her room or even open the door to speak with her.

Did she take the money or was it still laying on the counter? Why wasn't the inside of the house searched? If clint was asleep, the perp may have been in the home. I definitely recall the Bobo's saying they never locked their doors or cars prior to this.

Whisperer
01-07-2012, 07:39 PM
.....wish they would release her cell phone records.
.....that and the 911 calls.
I also wish for world peace. I think I have a better chance @ seeing world peace.

cluciano63
01-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Well if we totally disregard his observations, that leaves him with guilty kge of what happened.

If we accept his observations, that leaves us with a Turkey Hunter as a perp.

Or...just a very poor witness. He wouldn't be the first.

MizStery
01-07-2012, 09:28 PM
Interesting.

Or another take on it: “Everything has been an attempt to explain what happened, without blaming Clint.”

jmo

When I began reading this thread back in Oct 2011 it was obvious to me that the problem was the inconsistencies in CB's statement and reconciling those with the documented events of that morning."

But,somewhere along the line I decided CB was not misleading (at least not intentionally) in his
statement .......now I am not so sure.

I can't put my finger on it. It just hit me after reading your post. The first thing you look for is
inconsistencies....good grief I can't get past CB's inability to 'grasp' all he has to do is-mosey over
to the cotton-picking door and ask Holly if she is OK. It is not rocket science. :doh: MOO

I can't imagine how KB worked... gosh I would think she would be worried one of them might walk off a cliff without her being there.

Pugnolia
01-07-2012, 09:49 PM
As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

SmoothOperator
01-07-2012, 11:48 PM
Tony Calabrese of "Tactical Search and Rescue" has been a pain in LE's neck from almost the git-go. *Why the warrant? *Does LE suspect him of at least having information pertinent to the case?
IMO TBI may want people(the public) to think
Or believe that. But IMO most who've followed the case, even minimally know that in all honesty TBI knows beyond a shadow of a doubt TC is in no way involved in Holly Bobo's disappearance..

Would be nice if LE could do something else, besides searching this guy's place - like finding Holly, perhaps. *#fail
As someone said before me, if for no other reason I am atleast glad to see Holly's name brought to the forefront.. Sadly I can attest that people in this area have truly forgotten all about Holly Bobo and when I bring up her name people do say," Oh Yea, the pretty blonde"..Followed by them saying, "You mean that girl was never found and they don't even know how, who, why she was abducted/killed?"

This accomplishes nothing unless it moves the case forward, toward finding Holly. *It appears to be only grandstanding on LE's part.
You are correct once again and IMO are stating the sad, yet honest truth of the situation..

I agree with that wfgodot.

AND I know I am probably a lone wolf here, but I still don't get why this guy is considered the devil. *True, his actions are questionable, but I don't see anything he is accused of as horrible, and apparently none of these things have proved to be illegal or he would have been arrested I would think.

Referring to Holly as "baby girl"? *Perhaps a bit odd and overly familiar, but not outrageous. *How is it different from "dear girl" or "precious girl", terms many folks online have used for HB and other missing persons even though they don't know them personally?

Harrassing women to call? *The women cited in the article were the administrators of a highly-regarded Find Holly FB page, so they weren't random. *Still doesn't make it right to do, but I would have to know more about how the it fit the term 'harrassment'.

Making false claims online? *Yes, that alone is enough to discredit this guy, but I'm not sure how it fits 'hindering an investigation'. *There must be tons of false claims all over the internet about HB. *Unless this guy was soliciting $$ to go towards his fictious searches, I can't understand how he hindered the investigation. *

Now, the fact that the search of this guy's home is a very good thing IMHO because it got some news reports generated about HB which was sorely needed. *I applaud that. * I am grateful for any mention of HB in the media to keep as many thinking about her as possible. * Whenever people talk about HB, I think it increases the chance that someone might call with that 'one clue' LE has said they are missing to find her.

Now, I'm debating whether to click the SUBMIT button on this post. *These are just my opinions on this TC guy and his involvement in the case. *Realizing I am probably the only one who thinks he is harmless makes me uneasy so I will don my flamewear and duck. <gulp>
Oh coco, no need to worry you are not alone in your feelings and opinions regarding TC and this "development" in Holly's case.. And i agree with you as well about that atleast this "development" has brought media attention back onto Holly's case!!*

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE HAS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BREAK THIS WHOLE CASE WIDE OPEN!!!


Of course he's a jerk. *Big deal. *That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. *How is this helpful? *To the actual case, to finding Holly? * So he's not helpful. *Big deal. *Neither has TBI been. *If they have charges to file against him, let them. *But that is not what is really at issue here. *Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.
TC is a weirdo and yep, a jerk as well using someone's missing persons case to bring themselves into the spotlight acting as tho they are important and in some instances acting as if they are even a vital part of searching and finding this young woman .. Again for his personal gain it certainly appears!! .. Weirdo.. Yep:. Jerk.. Yep yep!! .. In any way whatsoever involved in even the most microscopic of ways with Holly Bobo before she went missing, actually when she went missing, and/or at any point thereafter her being abducted(most very likely killed)???.. No.. Nope.. Not even if in his delusional mind he wished that he WAS involved in her disappearance before, during, or after... TC is nothing but just what he appears to be.. A jerk, weirdo!!
Nothing more.. Nothing less and they're a dime a dozen and even cheaper when you take a look around at the hangers ons in the peripheral of a missing persons case(you make that missing person a young, beautiful blonde female and you just quadrupled the jerk, weirdos that slink around the case and any discussion of the case)..*

IMO TBI essentially have just shown their hand, tipped it right over and showed what they've got.. So, very sadly IMO it appears as if they truly either do not have a clue or they do but have yet to find anything whatsoever to prove what has happened to Holly in a court of law..

Maybe I'm totally wrong and it's the entire opposite..*shrug*.. I pray I am wrong and it's only a matter of a short amount of time that we'll see Holly found, brought home and see justice served on the azzes responsible for harming her..

I find it a bit odd that more news sites are not reporting this search of TC's home. *There are only a handful of articles that turn up in a Google news search. *Can anyone find something other than examiner.com and ***********? *Only one other source that I can locate is reporting this story on the search that happened yesterday. *What do you all make of that?
Not sure about what all shows up in searching *the internet for articles regarding this latest TC mess, but I know that here, locally(suburb of Mphis) the local news took and ran with attempts of blowing it into actual forward movement in Holly's case.. I, of course took immediate notice of the first blurb of upcoming breaking news in the Bobo case.. Finally when it came time for the reporting on the issue it lasted all of 90+seconds and I literally *had steam rolling out my ears when it was quickly over before ever anything had even begun.. Iow, IMO NOTHING HERE but maybe a little of what wfgodot said of TBI's "grandstanding".. There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

MizStery
01-08-2012, 01:29 AM
<snipped for space>There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

Thanks for your post. Great observations. :smile:

Hippy Chick
01-08-2012, 03:45 AM
IMO TBI may want people(the public) to think
Or believe that. But IMO most who've followed the case, even minimally know that in all honesty TBI knows beyond a shadow of a doubt TC is in no way involved in Holly Bobo's disappearance..


As someone said before me, if for no other reason I am atleast glad to see Holly's name brought to the forefront.. Sadly I can attest that people in this area have truly forgotten all about Holly Bobo and when I bring up her name people do say," Oh Yea, the pretty blonde"..Followed by them saying, "You mean that girl was never found and they don't even know how, who, why she was abducted/killed?"


You are correct once again and IMO are stating the sad, yet honest truth of the situation..


Oh coco, no need to worry you are not alone in your feelings and opinions regarding TC and this "development" in Holly's case.. And i agree with you as well about that atleast this "development" has brought media attention back onto Holly's case!!*

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE HAS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BREAK THIS WHOLE CASE WIDE OPEN!!!


TC is a weirdo and yep, a jerk as well using someone's missing persons case to bring themselves into the spotlight acting as tho they are important and in some instances acting as if they are even a vital part of searching and finding this young woman .. Again for his personal gain it certainly appears!! .. Weirdo.. Yep:. Jerk.. Yep yep!! .. In any way whatsoever involved in even the most microscopic of ways with Holly Bobo before she went missing, actually when she went missing, and/or at any point thereafter her being abducted(most very likely killed)???.. No.. Nope.. Not even if in his delusional mind he wished that he WAS involved in her disappearance before, during, or after... TC is nothing but just what he appears to be.. A jerk, weirdo!!
Nothing more.. Nothing less and they're a dime a dozen and even cheaper when you take a look around at the hangers ons in the peripheral of a missing persons case(you make that missing person a young, beautiful blonde female and you just quadrupled the jerk, weirdos that slink around the case and any discussion of the case)..*

IMO TBI essentially have just shown their hand, tipped it right over and showed what they've got.. So, very sadly IMO it appears as if they truly either do not have a clue or they do but have yet to find anything whatsoever to prove what has happened to Holly in a court of law..

Maybe I'm totally wrong and it's the entire opposite..*shrug*.. I pray I am wrong and it's only a matter of a short amount of time that we'll see Holly found, brought home and see justice served on the azzes responsible for harming her..


Not sure about what all shows up in searching *the internet for articles regarding this latest TC mess, but I know that here, locally(suburb of Mphis) the local news took and ran with attempts of blowing it into actual forward movement in Holly's case.. I, of course took immediate notice of the first blurb of upcoming breaking news in the Bobo case.. Finally when it came time for the reporting on the issue it lasted all of 90+seconds and I literally *had steam rolling out my ears when it was quickly over before ever anything had even begun.. Iow, IMO NOTHING HERE but maybe a little of what wfgodot said of TBI's "grandstanding".. There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

I have always thought there was something more to CB than meets the eye. Something is just not right, unless he is slow or mentally impaired the story we know can't be right. If he thought it was Drew and Holly in the garage/car port why not go say something to them. When the family appeared on the JVM show me and my bf was watching and we both got the drift that her father left because he couldn't sit up there on National TV and fabricate the truth like KB and CB. The way KB kept looking at CB very nervous IMO like he would say the wrong thing. IDK whats going on but I believe KB and CB know:twocents: alot more than they let on. I don't think KB had anything to do with what happened to HB but more after the fact. DB I believe was clue less..

Whisperer
01-08-2012, 04:39 AM
. I like Judge Judy's phrase. If it doesn't make sense, it's a lie.

Whisperer
01-08-2012, 04:43 AM
As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

I don't think there were any hunters on the Bobo Property. They have to have permission to be there.

This turkey camo thing has legs...IMO.

cluciano63
01-08-2012, 07:54 AM
The "turkey camo" bit has been out there for many many months...not sure how helpful it is at this point, as apparently it has not been to date...JMO

~n/t~
01-08-2012, 08:26 AM
The "turkey camo" bit has been out there for many many months...not sure how helpful it is at this point, as apparently it has not been to date...JMO

I agree. It could go either way.

1) A local who is an avid hunter and/or camo wear was the usual fashion wear for the perp.

2) A non local who observed what most locals wear and used the camo wear as a disguise and ruse to get to Holly

Either scenario, however, shows premeditation, imo. Holly was targeted.

Frogzilla
01-08-2012, 10:53 AM
Excellent analysis Frogzilla!

In your opinion, what is stopping LE from publicly clearing up any confusion about Holly's case?
I wish I had ANY kind of decent answer for that question. I think the simplest answer is probably that TBI does not see an advantage in using the media to progress their case or they do not trust giving out info to anybody besides their own agency. I am willing to bet the TBI has not just shut out the media, but also the local LE. Then add in the fact that the TBI has very little media relations and are probably not use to having a big spotlight shown on their activities.
IMO the bottom line here is that the TBI probably does not trust anybody but themselves in this case. They have repeatedly said that their only focused on the community and believe HB had never left the general area. That should make us all realize that the wolves are in the hen house and that angle could explain why LE is acting the way that they are. There is obviously some pieces to the puzzle that the public is not aware of that guides the LE in this case. To claim she had never left the area and to then just stop doing organized searches means they probably have some ideas where to look, but something is preventing them. If we look at the Gail Palmgren case, the TBI claims they knew where to look for her, but had to wait until the right time to actually search. I cannot say that is what is happening in HB case, but it is something to consider( or a variation of this, such as LE knows who took HB but do not know where she is and they do not have the critical piece of evidence they need to advance the case. So they are just waiting for that "one clue" to make a connection.)
So in conclusion I cannot give much of answer to that question and I can only assume if LE does have a person they like for the crime, this person is more than likely to be fully aware that LE is onto them and LE may be worried that without arresting him/them, that rattling their cage may put others in danger. It is also possible that if LE were to name somebody that there certainly could be the vigilante justice factor, including retaliation on the perp's family. If somebody is capable of killing one person, they are capable of killing anybody and any animal is most dangerous when backed into a corner.

Frogzilla
01-08-2012, 12:05 PM
You miss my point. Of course he's a jerk. Big deal. That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. How is this helpful? To the actual case, to finding Holly? So he's not helpful. Big deal. Neither has TBI been. If they have charges to file against him, let them. But that is not what is really at issue here. Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.
I know there were several posts about this shady character, but I am choosing to respond to this one because you asked the key question about this person- How is this helpful to finding HB?
I think the first thing that can be gleaned from this new development is that the TBI moves at a snail's pace in anything that they do. They had plenty to bring to a judge once this guy started soliciting people with information to NOT CALL LE, but to call him instead(obstruction of justice-impersonating a LE officer). That should of been the end of it right there, but why wasn't it? Is there possibly some other connection going on here that the TBi wanted to see develop before they made their move at him? I do not believe we will hear anything more about this from the TBI unless they arrest him and if they do, they will probably not add anything.
I think the first reason this was a long time coming is because he has inserted himself not just into the case, but into the actual investigation. He fishes for info from unsuspecting, or maybe suspecting, people and uses that as a vehicle to start accusing people of having possible involvement. If you read his posts, he has accused just about everyone possible in the local area. One week it is CB, the next week DS, etc...
The main reason that I think this could develop into something, ANYTHING, is that he has devoted himself to this case and admits that he has never left his computer during his antics involving this case. The search warrants will surely allow them to analyze his computers and maybe there was come credible info that he received that LE never got wind of or somebody he has been communicating with that may seem suspicious (possible accessory after the fact charges.) If this guy just randomly inserted himself into the case for no good reason, then there are certainly some mental health issues that are at play.
The question it leaves me wondering, and everybody else, is why did he insert himself into this particular case? If you read on other sites, ones that are not moderated, there is alot of discussion about this person and did they possibly have any connection to people in HB life before she was abducted. I am not going to sit here and tell you that has any truth to it, but I have seen the reasons why people could think that is worthy of being investigated.
All I know for sure is that for all the time that LE has been watching this guy, I hope for their sake that something pans out because if not, it's just another reason to be extremely skeptical of their abilities and common sense because as Carla so eloquently put it, LE could of metaphorically stomped the snot out of this guy awhile ago and their case would not of been interfered with.

MizStery
01-08-2012, 12:50 PM
Good post Mr. Noatak.
<snipped for space>

Whatever CB was doing he was able to pay attention to quite a few things, makes you wonder how close to HB he actually was at some point.) .


First of all... like Frogzilla I want to thank Mr. Noatak for his timeline.

Second, I have highlighted Frogzilla's logic ...because the retelling of CB's recollection of that morning has more holes than Swiss Cheese. Which leads us to ask ourselves (as the only witness
)where was CB's unobstructed vantage point of HB and the perp that morning? Or,more to the point was he just an observer or ____? MOO :beamup:

OldSteve
01-08-2012, 01:14 PM
Just thinking.... After all these months, we know so little about Holly's circle of friends, and things really going on in her life. Too bad acquaintances and friends don't post on Webslueths... Would such info help solve the case?

cluciano63
01-08-2012, 01:37 PM
Just thinking.... After all these months, we know so little about Holly's circle of friends, and things really going on in her life. Too bad acquaintances and friends don't post on Webslueths... Would such info help solve the case?

I would have to think LE has all of that info by now? And it doesn't seem to have helped...JMO

nosyone
01-08-2012, 03:36 PM
Was the description of what HB was wearing when she disappeared based on her mother's recollection of what she was wearing when she saw her last or CB's description of what she was wearing? It was reported that she was wearing flip flops even on that cold morning but I seem to recall her friend saying that she was talking with her on the phone while she was putting on her shoes. I realize that this is pretty insignificant but I try to think of every little detail I have read and how usually there is something that comes along to contradict it!

Oriah
01-08-2012, 05:52 PM
Was the description of what HB was wearing when she disappeared based on her mother's recollection of what she was wearing when she saw her last or CB's description of what she was wearing? It was reported that she was wearing flip flops even on that cold morning but I seem to recall her friend saying that she was talking with her on the phone while she was putting on her shoes. I realize that this is pretty insignificant but I try to think of every little detail I have read and how usually there is something that comes along to contradict it!

Not insignificant at all, imo. I have wondered about an accurate description of Holly's footwear since she first went missing.
Perhaps she was getting ready to put on tennis shoes, and then threw on flip flops to run outside for a minute? Or had tossed them in her car? Or maybe the tennis shoe thing was just a sort of "I'm getting ready to head out the door right now' kind of conversation with her friend?
Lots of possibilities, I think.

TxLady2
01-08-2012, 09:08 PM
As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

I don't think the type of outfit he was wearing was ever established. The discussion started because somebody said since it was turkey season he musta been wearing turkey camo, and it went from a speculation to an assumption. If Clint ever confirmed that it was turkey camo, I surely haven't read or heard that.
We have hunters around here who hunt just about everything that is legal to hunt. If I had to guess, I would say that most of them don't have a separate camo outfit for every type of critter they hunt. Many of our deer hunters wear a bright colored vest or jacket because otherwise you might get shot if you blend into the trees TOO well.

cluciano63
01-08-2012, 09:42 PM
I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO

nosyone
01-08-2012, 10:37 PM
I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO


The only thing that seems to be a fact is that Holly is missing (and I can't swear to THAT) There isn't one verifiable fact in this whole case that I can think of!:floorlaugh:

Hippy Chick
01-09-2012, 12:37 AM
why has this family been so silent? Beth Holloway, Mark Klass, Dena Thompson, John Walsh, The Smarts, all of these folks spoke up right away and continued to speak out thru the investigation. Why have the Bobo's been so quite. Thats were I have a problem with this case if that was my daughter I would have and still be trying to get all the attention I could put on her. The interview with JVM was just so strange and almost like they were reading a script. Something is very wrong here and I like some of the rest of you, have followed missing person cases for yrs and have never saw a family act quite so strange. Also no girlfriends, classmates, grandparents, aunts uncles nobody has said a word i don't understand. Why do you all think the reason for the silence is?

ThoughtFox
01-09-2012, 01:58 AM
I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO

I certainly said that camo is common and most people wouldn't know the difference between one type and another. All I know is that there are different brands with various types of leaves on them. And sometimes it's just cheap if you hit a sale in the spring at KMart or WalMart.

I don't know where the turkey camo idea came from.

But anyone who works outdoors or who just wants to fit in with the good old boys might be wearing camo. The good thing about camo is that it's warm, obviously, and it's lightweight. You don't have to be a hunter to wear camo, and it's not like a standard uniform or something. You might have the coat but not the pants, for instance. You might wear a vest over it or not.

I have a brother who is a fly fisherman and goes out in the woods all the time, but he probably never owned any camo in his life, and never will. Other people just like to wear it but they never hunt either.

Whisperer
01-09-2012, 02:51 AM
I certainly said that camo is common and most people wouldn't know the difference between one type and another. All I know is that there are different brands with various types of leaves on them. And sometimes it's just cheap if you hit a sale in the spring at KMart or WalMart.

I don't know where the turkey camo idea came from.

But anyone who works outdoors or who just wants to fit in with the good old boys might be wearing camo. The good thing about camo is that it's warm, obviously, and it's lightweight. You don't have to be a hunter to wear camo, and it's not like a standard uniform or something. You might have the coat but not the pants, for instance. You might wear a vest over it or not.

I have a brother who is a fly fisherman and goes out in the woods all the time, but he probably never owned any camo in his life, and never will. Other people just like to wear it but they never hunt either.

It came from me. I know nothing about camo. When I started researching, I noticed "Turkey Camo" was very distinct.

Being Clint and Drew hunt Turkeys, I would think they own more than the standard military style they wear every day. Clint was the witness. The man was wearing "FULL CAMO". He would know what style camo the guy was wearing and it may be very important to know. He thinks he saw Drew. Was Drew wearing Camo that day....sure he was.

Would your average stranger sex predator be wearing camo?...probably not. It is somebody close to Holly and Clint has a very good idea who..imo. LE should also have a good idea who this perp is just by the type of camo clint describes.

Turkey Camo is VERY different. I was simply questioning that Clint has to know what kind the perp was wearing and this fact may narrow the list of suspects, significantly. I doubt every body wears camo every day. It appears the youth like it the most down there. Clint knows what he saw but his memory is being sliced, diced and re-imaged for him.

What kind of camo did Clint see? I am sure in that area, they all know the types that the serious hunters wear. Clint and Drew, I hear, were serious bird hunters. I bet they have different types for hunting than they do for socializing.

JustALaxBro
01-09-2012, 04:03 AM
This is all my opinion..
The differences between deer hunting and turkey hunting is camo. In deer hunting you can get away with the bright orange. However, turkey hunting makes you have to blend in a lot more; turkey's have more keen vision and hearing. While camo may be fairly common in this community, how many where it from head to toe on a daily basis?
I don't think the perp wore camo to "fit in" with the others in the community, but to fit in with his surroundings. So if someone did see him in the woods he could say he was turkey hunting. I also think that the perp used the logging road that runs from the bobo's and around the pond. (from my research of turkey hunting/camo) around early/mid-morning you may want to hunt along a logging road, and after a heavy rain fall it is prime for turkey hunting.
So my question is, How many people in the community know about this logging road? or what is the odds of a random stranger finding a small, random 'road' in rural Tennessee?
I'm still having a hard time believing that she disappeared without any trace, someone or something (traffic,weather camera,etc.) had to have seen something.

Frogzilla
01-09-2012, 02:08 PM
This is all my opinion..
The differences between deer hunting and turkey hunting is camo. In deer hunting you can get away with the bright orange. However, turkey hunting makes you have to blend in a lot more; turkey's have more keen vision and hearing. While camo may be fairly common in this community, how many where it from head to toe on a daily basis?
I don't think the perp wore camo to "fit in" with the others in the community, but to fit in with his surroundings. So if someone did see him in the woods he could say he was turkey hunting. I also think that the perp used the logging road that runs from the bobo's and around the pond. (from my research of turkey hunting/camo) around early/mid-morning you may want to hunt along a logging road, and after a heavy rain fall it is prime for turkey hunting.
So my question is, How many people in the community know about this logging road? or what is the odds of a random stranger finding a small, random 'road' in rural Tennessee?
I'm still having a hard time believing that she disappeared without any trace, someone or something (traffic,weather camera,etc.) had to have seen something.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this is something we have discussed before, but it is certainly worth keeping in mind. I completely agree with the idea that this guy wore camo to play pretend hunter in case somebody approached him. It would also make sense that this man had a firearm on him (also a knife). I also agree that the logging road being behind the property can really change your perspective on this case because a random person would not stumble upon it and then have a plan to walk his victim into the woods towards this logging road. Since CB did not see any vehicles in front of the house when he looked for the meter man possibly being there, one can only assume that the perp had a vehicle out of sight, but in the immediate area(would have to know much more than just the existence of this logging road to hide and then perfectly time the attack). Another idea to keep in mind is if CB was not there that day, and remembering this house is in the middle of nowhere, can we picture a scenario where an abductor walks their victim away casually towards the woods? This had to be a reaction to CB presence and IMO shows the abductor had at least one contingency for leaving the area quickly.
When you really take a hard look at the timeline and then consider how long it would take for an abductor to hurry their victim using this logging trail and regardless of which way they went, how long would it take to even reach this vehicle out of sight? 2,4,6,8 minutes? If CB sees them walk away at 7:55~AM and LE arrives between 8-8:05AM, that is a little less than a ten minute window. This abductor did not have much of a head start to make her disappear without a trace. There was also a quote from the TBI director to the effect of- It was as if she was spirited out of the area.
I also think that HB did not disappear without a trace, as does the TBI since they have said people have info they are not sharing. It's hard to gauge what that means exactly, but I think it is safe to assume the TBI thinks that more than one person knows what happened to HB or who is responsible.

~n/t~
01-09-2012, 02:16 PM
ABC News reported investigators have said they believe Bobo's abductor is from the area.

"The person responsible for Holly's disappearance lives in the area," Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, said. "Because of the terrain, you have to know where you're going, entrances and exits. We feel the person is in the community. We're asking the community if you know someone who has changed their routine, please let us know."

Gwyn said Bobo may have been spirited away from the immediate area but investigators believe she is still in the state.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/04/24/Clue-found-in-hunt-for-missing-Tenn-woman/UPI-72981303702724/#ixzz1izSMYxlJ




They also said they were one clue away from solving the case and here we are 9 months later.......

cluciano63
01-09-2012, 03:56 PM
Fact list for this case:

We don't know where Holly is.

MizStery
01-09-2012, 05:56 PM
ABC News reported investigators have said they believe Bobo's abductor is from the area.
<snipped for space>

Gwyn said Bobo may have been spirited away from the immediate area but investigators believe she is still in the state.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/04/24/Clue-found-in-hunt-for-missing-Tenn-woman/UPI-72981303702724/#ixzz1izSMYxlJ

They also said they were one clue away from solving the case and here we are 9 months later.......


Oh great, now we can add lack of clarity in this statement issued by Mark Gwyn to the already incomprehensible gibberish made by everyone associated with this story. Spirited ...maybe :ghost: or :abduction: Are we here at Websleuths the only ones who feels the urgency and desperately want to find Holly? MOO

Hippy Chick
01-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this is something we have discussed before, but it is certainly worth keeping in mind. I completely agree with the idea that this guy wore camo to play pretend hunter in case somebody approached him. It would also make sense that this man had a firearm on him (also a knife). I also agree that the logging road being behind the property can really change your perspective on this case because a random person would not stumble upon it and then have a plan to walk his victim into the woods towards this logging road. Since CB did not see any vehicles in front of the house when he looked for the meter man possibly being there, one can only assume that the perp had a vehicle out of sight, but in the immediate area(would have to know much more than just the existence of this logging road to hide and then perfectly time the attack). Another idea to keep in mind is if CB was not there that day, and remembering this house is in the middle of nowhere, can we picture a scenario where an abductor walks their victim away casually towards the woods? This had to be a reaction to CB presence and IMO shows the abductor had at least one contingency for leaving the area quickly.
When you really take a hard look at the timeline and then consider how long it would take for an abductor to hurry their victim using this logging trail and regardless of which way they went, how long would it take to even reach this vehicle out of sight? 2,4,6,8 minutes? If CB sees them walk away at 7:55~AM and LE arrives between 8-8:05AM, that is a little less than a ten minute window. This abductor did not have much of a head start to make her disappear without a trace. There was also a quote from the TBI director to the effect of- It was as if she was spirited out of the area.
I also think that HB did not disappear without a trace, as does the TBI since they have said people have info they are not sharing. It's hard to gauge what that means exactly, but I think it is safe to assume the TBI thinks that more than one person knows what happened to HB or who is responsible.

My BIL is an avaid hunter and he does have turkey camo its a little lighter colored and a little diffrent pattern and can I say very expensive.If mystery man was decked head to toe in turkey camo he is probably not a poor boy. I agrr I believe CB would know the diffrence between turkey camo and standard army type camo. I'm sure he had a gun if he had been seen he could say he was turkey hunting. Its someone familiar with the area around the Bobo home, where I live in the woods in Mo. there are tons of little logging roads everywhere but a stranger would'nt know how to find them to get out in a hurry. Some of the roads here dead end so if u went down one of those you would have to back up all the way to get out. It was probably pretty muddy as well if they had all the rain the day or two before so I think some kind of a 4 wheel drive vehicle had to be used or getting stuck would have been a problem. I have been stuck before in such terrain and it almost impossible to get out without 4 wheel drive....those kinds of vehciles are also extremly loud if CB was outside he would have heard it unless it was parked quite a long way away.

cluciano63
01-09-2012, 08:17 PM
If it was a stranger, so to speak, he must have made his way in there, so he could have planned his escape route. I don't believe it HAS to be a local. Not saying this time it isn't, but there are plenty of traveling serial killers who have made themselves familiar with a location in advance of their crime.

nosyone
01-09-2012, 08:27 PM
I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

cluciano63
01-09-2012, 10:19 PM
I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

The main way it is different to me is that there was an actual adult witness who did not realize he was witnessing anything "bad", appparently, until it was too late, despite being told that he was. And then of course, the convoluted versions of that 20 or so minutes we've read about ever since. JMO

~n/t~
01-10-2012, 05:53 AM
FWIW.....after looking at the NamUS database posted for 2 other cases I'm following, I searched for Holly.

I thought it was amazing that her profile was added 2 days after she went missing compared to weeks and months for others to be added.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10305/0/

Carla Lashelle
01-10-2012, 02:35 PM
I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

There are a few notable differences. As someone else pointed out, a witnessed abduction is rare. And an abduction in broad daylight, from the victim's home. Also a majority of crimes against women are at the hands of their spouse/partner and that does not seem to be the case here. Its odd in Holly's abduction that a neighbor called 911 yet the witness did not seem to think anything serious was happening. You would expect the person watching the events unfold in his own house and yard with his own sister to have done more (done anything actually).

nosyone
01-10-2012, 06:19 PM
There are a few notable differences. As someone else pointed out, a witnessed abduction is rare. And an abduction in broad daylight, from the victim's home. Also a majority of crimes against women are at the hands of their spouse/partner and that does not seem to be the case here. Its odd in Holly's abduction that a neighbor called 911 yet the witness did not seem to think anything serious was happening. You would expect the person watching the events unfold in his own house and yard with his own sister to have done more (done anything actually).


CB certainly did seem perfectly sure that it was Drew.

OldSteve
01-10-2012, 06:32 PM
FWIW.....after looking at the NamUS database posted for 2 other cases I'm following, I searched for Holly.

I thought it was amazing that her profile was added 2 days after she went missing compared to weeks and months for others to be added.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10305/0/

One of the things I always found interesting about this case was just how fast it ramped up in terms of lots of people arriving to search, multiple gov. agencies becoming involved, and how large and fast a reward was posted by the state's governor.

I thought of three things about this - the family might be connected to LE or a gov. agency, or something previous was going on with a serial abductor in the area, or serious threats had been previous made against the family or Holly.

Carla Lashelle
01-10-2012, 07:22 PM
One of the things I always found interesting about this case was just how fast it ramped up in terms of lots of people arriving to search, multiple gov. agencies becoming involved, and how large and fast a reward was posted by the state's governor.

I thought of three things about this - the family might be connected to LE or a gov. agency, or something previous was going on with a serial abductor in the area, or serious threats had been previous made against the family or Holly.

Makes you wonder yet in the last 8-9 months zero evidence of that has crept out. I still can not believe that if anyone in the family had any idea of who did this that they would not say something. I just don't get that...

wishuwerehere
01-10-2012, 08:12 PM
Makes you wonder yet in the last 8-9 months zero evidence of that has crept out. I still can not believe that if anyone in the family had any idea of who did this that they would not say something. I just don't get that...

BBM - Unless they’re protecting a family member. It’s a possibility. I don’t want to believe it, but as a sleuther I can’t ignore it.

jmo

R.U.Kidding!
01-10-2012, 10:28 PM
If it was a stranger, so to speak, he must have made his way in there, so he could have planned his escape route. I don't believe it HAS to be a local. Not saying this time it isn't, but there are plenty of[B] traveling serial killers who have made themselves familiar with a location in advance of their crime."

Hey Clu,

LOL!!! Is that anything like a "Traveling salesman"??? Sorry, not making light of this situation, that phrase just struck me funny.

There are indeed many serial killers that are well versed in knowing everything there is to know about their victim. Not sure, though, if they would go as far as to buy a camo outfit. Also not sure there are many that would take their victim from their own home in broad daylight. For me it just doesn't have the feel of a serial killer.However in this case Nothing would really surprise me.

nosyone
01-10-2012, 10:38 PM
I try and look back at early reports of HB's abduction and ran across this statement from KB just a few days after HB was taken.

Karen Bobo chimed in with a message to her little girl: “Holly, I love you so much. Please try and get back to us.”

I was thinking that in most abductions, parents and family members try to appeal to the abductor to bring their relative back safe and to not hurt them, I find it unusual to ask the victim to try and get back. Just my opinion.

Lera213
01-10-2012, 10:46 PM
I try and look back at early reports of HB's abduction and ran across this statement from KB just a few days after HB was taken.

Karen Bobo chimed in with a message to her little girl: “Holly, I love you so much. Please try and get back to us.”

I was thinking that in most abductions, parents and family members try to appeal to the abductor to bring their relative back safe and to not hurt them, I find it unusual to ask the victim to try and get back. Just my opinion.

Probably because one of the scenarios told to her or she thought of independently was that HB was taken and put into the sex trafficking biz.

BD1
01-10-2012, 11:02 PM
Guys, I do not follow this case, so forgive if this is offensive. Is there anyone here wondering about her brother?

cluciano63
01-11-2012, 12:37 AM
Hey Clu,

LOL!!! Is that anything like a "Traveling salesman"??? Sorry, not making light of this situation, that phrase just struck me funny.

There are indeed many serial killers that are well versed in knowing everything there is to know about their victim. Not sure, though, if they would go as far as to buy a camo outfit. Also not sure there are many that would take their victim from their own home in broad daylight. For me it just doesn't have the feel of a serial killer.However in this case Nothing would really surprise me.

I don't really think this is a case of a serial...just saying that crimes like this have been committed by persons who made sure to know the lay of the land first, whether or not they were local. So I can't take that as a given, that he has to be a local.

JustALaxBro
01-11-2012, 04:54 AM
CB certainly did seem perfectly sure that it was Drew.

As Always, this is just my opinion.

I've been following this case since may and I've always challenged the "I thought it was Drew" statement. I noticed that when you think you see someone (Ex: The grocery store, gas station) it is them 90% of the time. Our brains naturally remember how people walk, stand, their voice (pitch with certain words),etc. So i kind of have my hunch.

JustALaxBro
01-11-2012, 05:03 AM
In my opinion, if I was head of this case I would start looking up building permits from the last year. My thought to this is (since we haven't found a body/i have still have hope she is still with us) if someone is going to abduct someone they have to have a place to keep them. If you just abducted/planning to abduct someone you don't want people poking around asking questions for something as simple as a building permit.
Second thing would be bomb shelters or an old cellar that is or was separate from the house. Find them by looking up building permits for a shelter or blue prints for a build that involved a separate cellar. I think if she is alive still and has gone undetected this long, these would be possibilities.

Whisperer
01-11-2012, 05:15 AM
As Always, this is just my opinion.

I've been following this case since may and I've always challenged the "I thought it was Drew" statement. I noticed that when you think you see someone (Ex: The grocery store, gas station) it is them 90% of the time. Our brains naturally remember how people walk, stand, their voice (pitch with certain words),etc. So i kind of have my hunch.

:welcome: to Websleuths!

Eileen730
01-11-2012, 12:14 PM
Guys, I do not follow this case, so forgive if this is offensive. Is there anyone here wondering about her brother?


Ill be brave and say i am and have had my doubts about him from day one!
He was there and as i have read he never calls 911 nor hears a scream so
so for whatever its worth i am a wonderer!

R.U.Kidding!
01-11-2012, 12:45 PM
Ill be brave and say i am and have had my doubts about him from day one!
He was there and as i have read he never calls 911 nor hears a scream so
so for whatever its worth i am a wonderer!

......and I am wondering with ya. Frankly I would find it hard to believe if all of us at one time or another hadn't "wondered " about Clint. I think LE is still looking at every possibility, so Clint still can not be discounted, in my opinion.

Carla Lashelle
01-11-2012, 01:50 PM
BBM - Unless they’re protecting a family member. It’s a possibility. I don’t want to believe it, but as a sleuther I can’t ignore it.

jmo

Same thing though... I dont see them protecting anyone. And if I were, I wouldn't quit my job and devote my waking hours to looking for someone... Thats what doesnt add up. Not that much adds up... And I have seen plenty of cases where families turn on family members or close friends instead of somehow trying to cover for them.

MizStery
01-11-2012, 02:28 PM
......and I am wondering with ya. Frankly I would find it hard to believe if all of us at one time or another hadn't "wondered " about Clint. I think LE is still looking at every possibility, so Clint still can not be discounted, in my opinion.

:devil: me too
Might as well say it,you can go hell for thinkin' it.

wishuwerehere
01-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Same thing though... I dont see them protecting anyone. And if I were, I wouldn't quit my job and devote my waking hours to looking for someone... Thats what doesnt add up. Not that much adds up... And I have seen plenty of cases where families turn on family members or close friends instead of somehow trying to cover for them.

bbm
I’d like to expound on that a little bit.

Remember WD (the cousin) stating in an interview, “I don’t want to know what happened?” Now, why would she make such an odd statement? Is it because she doesn’t want to think about what Holly has gone through? Maybe. BUT, if you remember about 3 or 4 months back WD was defending Clint on twitter or something like that (and I’m paraphrasing here) – “Back off of Clint. If you knew everything, you wouldn’t be accusing him!” So fast forward a few months and now she doesn’t want to know what happened to Holly.

Theory: If WD actually found out what (and who) happened to Holly, a crack in that insular layer around Clint might occur. Therefore, she doesn’t want to know.

However, at the end of the day, I don’t know (but I want to know). I want to find Holly!

jmo

Hippy Chick
01-11-2012, 07:34 PM
Do u all think maybe the family is scared of what or who CB saw that day?

cluciano63
01-11-2012, 08:08 PM
Do u all think maybe the family is scared of what or who CB saw that day?

Well he thought it was Drew...unless that was never even true.

~n/t~
01-11-2012, 08:19 PM
Without answers or updates, we can theorize until we're blue in the face. In the 9 months, I think we've exhausted every possible theory imagineable as to what may have happened to Holly.

We need a break in the case and sadly, I don't see that happening if all they have is chasing online bloggers (TC) who they allege is interfering with the investigation (whatever that means).

TC may be a fraud but he did keep Holly's case alive. What are posters at that other site going to talk about now? LOL

cluciano63
01-11-2012, 09:01 PM
Without answers or updates, we can theorize until we're blue in the face. In the 9 months, I think we've exhausted every possible theory imagineable as to what may have happened to Holly.

We need a break in the case and sadly, I don't see that happening if all they have is chasing online bloggers (TC) who they allege is interfering with the investigation (whatever that means).

TC may be a fraud but he did keep Holly's case alive. What are posters at that other site going to talk about now? LOL

I hadn't seen much from or about TC anyway, in many months...maybe he was keeping it alive on Topix? But I never took him seriously, or thought he was making much noise. JMO

Onyx
01-12-2012, 02:17 AM
Same thing though... I dont see them protecting anyone. And if I were, I wouldn't quit my job and devote my waking hours to looking for someone... Thats what doesnt add up. Not that much adds up... And I have seen plenty of cases where families turn on family members or close friends instead of somehow trying to cover for them.

Hi! :seeya: This is my first post, though I've been reading here for quite a while.

I just wanted to comment on Karen quitting her job. Being an elementary teacher requires a lot of energy and focus. It would be extremely difficult for her to do that particular work under the circumstances. I would think, however, that taking a leave of absence would have made more sense since Karen may not be that far from early retirement age. In fact, perhaps she did just take a leave. At any rate, it may have been a case where she couldn't deal with being a full-time teacher with everything else she wanted to do to help Holly. I know I couldn't have...and I taught for 27 years.

Carla Lashelle
01-12-2012, 08:27 AM
Without answers or updates, we can theorize until we're blue in the face. In the 9 months, I think we've exhausted every possible theory imagineable as to what may have happened to Holly.

We need a break in the case and sadly, I don't see that happening if all they have is chasing online bloggers (TC) who they allege is interfering with the investigation (whatever that means).

TC may be a fraud but he did keep Holly's case alive. What are posters at that other site going to talk about now? LOL

I agree... between us all we have gone over every known detail, clue, bit of evidence, interview, etc. 10,000 times over. We have come up with every theory from the probable to the absurd, and everything in between. Unless some new info comes to light, pretty much anything we say now is just a rehash of what has been said for the last 9 months.

OldSteve
01-12-2012, 12:59 PM
Hi! :seeya: This is my first post, though I've been reading here for quite a while.

I just wanted to comment on Karen quitting her job. Being an elementary teacher requires a lot of energy and focus. It would be extremely difficult for her to do that particular work under the circumstances. I would think, however, that taking a leave of absence would have made more sense since Karen may not be that far from early retirement age. In fact, perhaps she did just take a leave. At any rate, it may have been a case where she couldn't deal with being a full-time teacher with everything else she wanted to do to help Holly. I know I couldn't have...and I taught for 27 years.

:welcome: Onyx

What are your thoughts about this case? Agree with you about a leave of absence making more sense. Is that something they could/would allow for say a year or more?

ilovegreentrees
01-12-2012, 04:42 PM
Hi all! I'm mostly a lurker, I think I've posted a couple of times but not with any consistency. I'm just really drawn to this case because I am a few months older than Holly (I'm 22) and it's scary to think that at this age, something terrible can happen to you. I felt the same way about Kelsey Smith since we graduated at around the same time. It's so sad.

I've been semi-following this case and, like many of you, struggling with the timeline and version of events. At this point, I don't have any reason not to believe Clint but it's possible that being interviewed on TV caused him to stumble a little bit. He seems introverted and he might have been really nervous. With that being said, I do have some hope that Holly is alive. Her abductor took a huge risk taking her in the morning before class (although I do think he wasn't expecting Clint to be there) and it seems like it was planned. I highly doubt he was just strolling by in the middle of nowhere and decided to randomly kidnap Holly. It seems like a lot of work if you're just going to kill someone, but that has happened so who knows.

You all have probably discussed this in the 31 threads dedicated to this case, so sorry if I'm repeating something that has been hashed to death.

~n/t~
01-12-2012, 07:57 PM
I hadn't seen much from or about TC anyway, in many months...maybe he was keeping it alive on Topix? But I never took him seriously, or thought he was making much noise. JMO

He may have just been blowing smoke but I think he did keep some people on their toes.

He had me going "hmmmm" a few times.

And that's all I'll say about that. We need a break in the case soon!!

wishuwerehere
01-12-2012, 07:57 PM
Who doesn’t hear a scream coming from their own home?

Who sees silhouettes in the garage?

Who decides to call his mom, instead of sticking his head out of the door to find out who’s there?

Who sees Holly walking toward the woods with Drew (or some man dressed in camo)?

Who has to be told to act (get a gun and go after them)?

Who sees a puddle of blood in the garage and doesn’t react with urgency?

Who has his attention diverted by the neighbor when he is supposed to be following Holly?

Who has to be prompted to call 911?

Who says Holly may not be coming home?

:waitasec:

nosyone
01-12-2012, 08:31 PM
Who doesn’t hear a scream coming from their own home?

Who sees silhouettes in the garage?

Who decides to call his mom, instead of sticking his head out of the door to find out who’s there?

Who sees Holly walking toward the woods with Drew (or some man dressed in camo)?

Who has to be told to act (get a gun and go after them)?

Who sees a puddle of blood in the garage and doesn’t react with urgency?

Who has his attention diverted by the neighbor when he is supposed to be following Holly?

Who has to be prompted to call 911?

Who says Holly may not be coming home?

:waitasec:

I so agree with everything you have said and wonder if CB could really be that unaware. WD said that if we knew the real story (paraphrasing) we would not be suspicious of CB, however, in my opinion, he shows a lack of moral responsibility to not, at the very least, check on his younger sister.

Onyx
01-12-2012, 09:59 PM
:welcome: Onyx

What are your thoughts about this case? Agree with you about a leave of absence making more sense. Is that something they could/would allow for say a year or more?

I would say it varies from state to state and school district to school district. I believe in my school district in another state, a teacher would be granted the remainder of last school year, plus an additional year as an unpaid family leave of absence, under these circumstances. (She may also have been able to utilize her accrued sick days for some of the time.) It all depends on the school board's approval.

Some of my thoughts (in no particular order):

*For a long time I truly had hopes that Holly was still alive somewhere, but by now I've almost resigned myself to waiting for the day when someone stumbles upon her remains. I'll be heart-broken if and when that happens. :no:

*I so identify with Holly. At her age I was almost exactly her height and weight (although I'm not a blonde), and can imagine the horror she may have faced.

*Just because Clint hunts doesn't mean he's a "macho" man. I think he may be more of a gentle, sensitive-type man who is very close to his family. One of the reasons I think so is because (IIRC) of his plans to be a social worker.

*I think one problem is there are too many missing pieces for the rest of Clint's story to make sense. (I don't think he's allowed to tell all.)

*Nor do I think Clint is "slow." I do think Clint may have been frightened or uneasy (in example - calling Mom about the voices in the garage).

*There's a huge difference between shooting game and shooting at people, who just may shoot back! He may also have felt horrified that he might have to shoot another human being.

*I've wondered if Karen has a tendency to overreact, and if that was another reason why Clint didn't respond quickly to her saying to go after Holly...or maybe he was in denial.

*With Holly's disappearance being so close to the time LE arrived, the family (except Clint) probably never in their wildest nightmares thought Holly wouldn't be rescued in a timely fashion.

*I think even the family may not remember exactly what happened and when!

*I wonder why there was no sign of Clint for a long time after the abduction occurred. :waitasec:

*Also, why did the media keep showing photos of Holly and Drew, while reporting what happened with Holly and Clint?!

*Finally, I can't fathom why the neighbor didn't check out the screams himself.

Wonless
01-12-2012, 10:56 PM
I was hoping that if I took a break from WS for a while that maybe something would happen, as a watched pot never boils. However I am starting to believe that it may be some time before we have anything new to go on.

IMO there are three senerio's.

1. If Holly is no longer with us and no remains have been found after several months of no leaves on trees..etc, then she is someplace that it is unlikely she will be found easily..for instance on private property..or inside a structure somehow. I think that as time goes on, its is more and more unlikely that remains will be found by search or by accident.

2. Somehow the perp is ends up in police custody for some other reason and is investigated in regard to Holly's disappearance, or as often happens, talks to another inmate who would be willing to provide information in return for a reduced sentence.

3. The perp is betrayed by either and accomplice, friend, or family member. Its very hard to keep a secret about somebody else over the long run, even a family member. I think this is the most likely senerio.

We can't rule out that either Holly is found alive or some new evidence might come to light that would break the case, but as time goes on, I think its less and less likely.

OldSteve
01-13-2012, 12:07 PM
I would say it varies from state to state and school district to school district. I believe in my school district in another state, a teacher would be granted the remainder of last school year, plus an additional year as an unpaid family leave of absence, under these circumstances. (She may also have been able to utilize her accrued sick days for some of the time.) It all depends on the school board's approval.

Some of my thoughts (in no particular order):

*For a long time I truly had hopes that Holly was still alive somewhere, but by now I've almost resigned myself to waiting for the day when someone stumbles upon her remains. I'll be heart-broken if and when that happens. :no:

*I so identify with Holly. At her age I was almost exactly her height and weight (although I'm not a blonde), and can imagine the horror she may have faced.

*Just because Clint hunts doesn't mean he's a "macho" man. I think he may be more of a gentle, sensitive-type man who is very close to his family. One of the reasons I think so is because (IIRC) of his plans to be a social worker.

*I think one problem is there are too many missing pieces for the rest of Clint's story to make sense. (I don't think he's allowed to tell all.)

*Nor do I think Clint is "slow." I do think Clint may have been frightened or uneasy (in example - calling Mom about the voices in the garage).

*There's a huge difference between shooting game and shooting at people, who just may shoot back! He may also have felt horrified that he might have to shoot another human being.

*I've wondered if Karen has a tendency to overreact, and if that was another reason why Clint didn't respond quickly to her saying to go after Holly...or maybe he was in denial.

*With Holly's disappearance being so close to the time LE arrived, the family (except Clint) probably never in their wildest nightmares thought Holly wouldn't be rescued in a timely fashion.

*I think even the family may not remember exactly what happened and when!

*I wonder why there was no sign of Clint for a long time after the abduction occurred. :waitasec:

*Also, why did the media keep showing photos of Holly and Drew, while reporting what happened with Holly and Clint?!

*Finally, I can't fathom why the neighbor didn't check out the screams himself.

Thanks for you thoughts! Well stated! My mom would have reacted very much like KB did if something similar took place with my sister and I called her.

OldSteve
01-13-2012, 12:12 PM
Hi all! I'm mostly a lurker, I think I've posted a couple of times but not with any consistency. I'm just really drawn to this case because I am a few months older than Holly (I'm 22) and it's scary to think that at this age, something terrible can happen to you. I felt the same way about Kelsey Smith since we graduated at around the same time. It's so sad.

I've been semi-following this case and, like many of you, struggling with the timeline and version of events. At this point, I don't have any reason not to believe Clint but it's possible that being interviewed on TV caused him to stumble a little bit. He seems introverted and he might have been really nervous. With that being said, I do have some hope that Holly is alive. Her abductor took a huge risk taking her in the morning before class (although I do think he wasn't expecting Clint to be there) and it seems like it was planned. I highly doubt he was just strolling by in the middle of nowhere and decided to randomly kidnap Holly. It seems like a lot of work if you're just going to kill someone, but that has happened so who knows.

You all have probably discussed this in the 31 threads dedicated to this case, so sorry if I'm repeating something that has been hashed to death.

Nice to get new points of view! Thanks for posting and please continue to do so. We all tend to repeat what's been said, but each of us has a unique way of looking at things and expressing their take on what's happened that makes for interesting reading and keeping the thought of those gone missing alive.

If this is your first post here, please allow me to say :welcome:

cluciano63
01-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Strange and sad to see both Lauren and Holly listed under "Hot Cases" when neither seems anything but ice-cold to me. JMO

Yoda
01-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Strange and sad to see both Lauren and Holly listed under "Hot Cases" when neither seems anything but ice-cold to me. JMO

And both seem like someone or ones familiar to them know what happened.

OldSteve
01-13-2012, 07:19 PM
Check this out - I don't what to make of it?
"two of Ean's family members by the same last name are members of the Tennessee Martin network.... Holly Bobo's nursing school. "

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AL AL - Ean Cross Greer, 24, hiking from TN to Mobile, 8 Jan 2012

~n/t~
01-13-2012, 07:50 PM
Check this out - I don't what to make of it?
"two of Ean's family members by the same last name are members of the Tennessee Martin network.... Holly Bobo's nursing school. "

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AL AL - Ean Cross Greer, 24, hiking from TN to Mobile, 8 Jan 2012 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7512650&postcount=9)

who is the person referring to when she said she wished never met that guy? It's difficult to interpret something without seeing the actual post and why it was made.

Just an FYI, one of Karen Swift's son's went to the same school as Holly and some thought there may have been a connection there as well. Doesn't seem to be the case though but who knows. Maybe there is. Maybe the connection is the school for all 3 cases?

~n/t~
01-13-2012, 08:05 PM
Ean has been located. He's in Florida.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16518269/missing-hiker-believed-to-be-in-fla

Carla Lashelle
01-14-2012, 10:56 AM
Strange and sad to see both Lauren and Holly listed under "Hot Cases" when neither seems anything but ice-cold to me. JMO

Hot refers to interest here... not how the case is doing in the real world. With 31 threads going HB is pretty hot here on WS

cluciano63
01-14-2012, 01:48 PM
I guess I took "Hot Cases" to mean lots of activity in the case, not on the threads. Lauren's and Holly's cases have gone so long without any activity or information that they are not "hot" in my mind at all. Just my interpretation, I guess. I thought cases like Michelle Parker's, for example, would be considered "hot" cases, in that searches are on-going, a POI has been named, cell phone found, etc...

Holly and Lauren are "cold" cases as far as new info or activity are concerned. JMO

Yoda
01-14-2012, 02:41 PM
I guess I took "Hot Cases" to mean lots of activity in the case, not on the threads. Lauren's and Holly's cases have gone so long without any activity or information that they are not "hot" in my mind at all. Just my interpretation, I guess. I thought cases like Michelle Parker's, for example, would be considered "hot" cases, in that searches are on-going, a POI has been named, cell phone found, etc...

Holly and Lauren are "cold" cases as far as new info or activity are concerned. JMO

OT
I agree. My first thought of the Hot Cases threads was that there is lots of activity going on. And of course, when holly, Lauren, Rebeccah, were moved to hot cases the posts were hard to keep up with. I don't think they should be moved to cold cases, but maybe a new forum/thread such as 'Stagnant'- I def. would not want that to be the title but i can't think of an appropriate description right now. Then Hot Cases could be for cases that there are active searches, vigils, etc. Jmi. Do want to thank all the admins, etc that keep this site organized. It has to be a monumental job!

Carla Lashelle
01-14-2012, 03:47 PM
Well at least with lauren's case, with the exception of fiinding some pices of her body (ie most of it) they have a suspect charged, evidence etc. That one is just sort of on the back burner until a court date comes up.

cluciano63
01-14-2012, 05:02 PM
Well at least with lauren's case, with the exception of fiinding some pices of her body (ie most of it) they have a suspect charged, evidence etc. That one is just sort of on the back burner until a court date comes up.

I meant Lauren Spierers :(

Whisperer
01-15-2012, 03:25 AM
These things bug the heck out of me:

1. the neighbor, a 31 yr old male, reporting a scream to his mother instead of checking himself
2. Clint calling his mother instead of checking himself
3. The items found in different locations and some near the school or main drag of town
4. the blood in the garage or was it a carport?
5. Not one word from Drew who Holly has dated for one year
6. Dana wasn't included in the first 40 min. or longer.
7. Lots of phone chatter up to the minute of crime.
8. Not knowing exactly where all cars were parked at time of crime
9. no mention of house ever being searched.
10. wearing flip flops to nursing school on chilly morning
11. What's this about "Our house dog woke me up". Does that mean their was an outside dog?
12. what about the abandoned car with the camo in it?
13..where was Holly's phone found?
14..why did she carry her schoolbooks, lunch bag and phone while being abducted?
15. Did Camo man have a rifle with him?

..and, why did pastor/sheriff/rep pulled Dana off the air and sat in his seat to answer questions to the media.

...the items of Holly's appear to be scattered around and quite a distance from each other. Did Holly throw to leave a trail or did perp throw due to arrogance? How significant is the disposal of belongings?

I want to know if this family has lawyered up because they sure behave like it.

What this case could use is a good profiler....

EllaMae
01-15-2012, 04:20 AM
These things bug the heck out of me:

1. the neighbor, a 31 yr old male, reporting a scream to his mother instead of checking himself
2. Clint calling his mother instead of checking himself
3. The items found in different locations and some near the school or main drag of town
4. the blood in the garage or was it a carport?
5. Not one word from Drew who Holly has dated for one year
6. Dana wasn't included in the first 40 min. or longer.
7. Lots of phone chatter up to the minute of crime.
8. Not knowing exactly where all cars were parked at time of crime
9. no mention of house ever being searched.
10. wearing flip flops to nursing school on chilly morning
11. What's this about "Our house dog woke me up". Does that mean their was an outside dog? If so, we have heard nothing about it
12. ....what about the abandoned car with the camo in it?
13.....where was Holly's phone found?
14....why did she carry her schoolbooks, lunch bag and phone while being abducted?
15. Did Camo man have a rifle with him?

..and, why did pastor/sheriff/rep pulled Dana off the air and sat in his seat to answer questions to the media.

...the items of Holly's appear to be scattered around and quite a distance from each other. Did Holly throw to leave a trail or did perp throw due to arrogance? How significant is the disposal of belongings?

I want to know if this family has lawyered up because they sure behave like it.

What this case could use is a good profiler....



As far as Clint calling his Mom....I don't think that's all that unusual in a close-knit family. In an interview somewhere I read that he was wondering if someone was expected to come by the house that he wasn't aware of, so he called her to find out. That makes sense to me. My kids have done the same thing. He was trying to process what was happening with Holly possibly because something seemed off, and he was confused by the activity at his home. We can't judge his actions because we now have facts that were not clear to him while they were taking place. In his frame of reference, his sister being kidnapped was not the first thing that would occur to him upon waking up.

Maybe the neighbor's first instinct was to discuss it with his Mom. Sometimes people want reassurance that what they experienced is indeed unusual enough to report to 911, so they tell someone else first. Or it doesn't occur to them that they should call until they talk to another person.

A "house dog" is a dog that lives inside the house, as opposed to a "yard dog" that stays outside, in Southern speak.

The Bobos are not sophisticated, media savvy people used to being in the spotlight. They are a quiet, rural family living a pretty simple life. Clint has suffered a terrible trauma, and some details may be slowly coming to the surface that he didn't remember earlier. He also seems to be a quiet kid who doesn't talk much, and hasn't done well in the spotlight. My son is like that. Details about the events in his life tend to come out a little at a time over the course of days, weeks, months, and sometimes years. He just doesn't give out a lot of information at one time, or give a lot of details unless he is prodded.

Why would Drew need to talk? He is not the one who took Holly, so what would he need to say publicly? These are not attention-hungry people. They all live in a quiet rural area, and don't have a life that involves the media or big crimes such as what happened to Holly. It's a strange experience for all of them. I think many of Holly's family and friends are/were in disbelief and shock. And maybe Drew wants to grieve in privacy.

As far as the flip flops go.....kids in high school and college wear them even in the winter. It's no big deal, and it's not unusual. My kids have worn flip flops in April many times, and so have I. The chill wears off rapidly, and spring days are usually warm in April.

Again...the Bobos are not worldly, sophisticated people who deal with the media regularly. Nor do they have much experience dealing with serious crime...and certainly none dealing with a missing daughter. I wouldn't blame them for getting a lawyer to help them sort through the issues of this case, but they are not guilty of harming Holly, so why would that be a bad thing?

Hippy Chick
01-15-2012, 04:42 AM
As far as Clint calling his Mom....I don't think that's all that unusual in a close-knit family. In an interview somewhere I read that he was wondering if someone was expected to come by the house that he wasn't aware of, so he called her to find out. That makes sense to me. My kids have done the same thing.

Maybe the neighbor's first instinct was to discuss it with his Mom. Sometimes people want reassurance that what they experienced is indeed unusual enough to report to the police before they call 911.

A "house dog" is a dog that lives inside the house, as opposed to a "yard dog" that stays outside, in Southern speak. The Bobos are not sophisticated, media savvy people used to being in the spotlight. They are a quiet, rural family living a pretty simple life. Clint has suffered a terrible trauma, and some details may be slowly coming to the surface that he didn't remember earlier. He also seems to be a quiet kid who doesn't talk much, and hasn't done well in the spotlight. My son is like that. Details about the events in his life tend to come out a little at a time over the course of days, weeks, months, and sometimes years. He just doesn't give out a lot of information at one time, or talk a lot.

Why would Drew need to talk? He is not the one who took Holly, so what would he need to say publicly? These are not attention-hungry people. They all live in a quiet rural area, and don't have a life that involves the media or big crimes such as what happened to Holly. It's a strange experience for all of them. I think many of Holly's family and friends are/were in disbelief. And maybe Drew wants to grieve in privacy.

As far as the flip flops go.....kids in high school and college wear them even in the winter. It's no big deal, and it's not unusual. My kids have worn flip flops in April many times, and so have I. The chill wears off rapidly, and spring days are usually warm in April.

Again...the Bobos are not worldly, sophisticated people who deal with the media regularly. Nor do they have much experience dealing with serious crime...and certainly none dealing with a missing daughter. I wouldn't blame them for getting a lawyer to help them sort through the issues of this case, but they are not guilty of harming Holly, so why would that be a bad thing?

Well they are dealing with a serious crime now their daughter, sister, girlfriend was abducted in broad day light and not a trace of her has been seen or heard of since, I think thats pretty serious. I doubt others that have experienced serious crimes were not worldly or experienced with the media but they still made statements got on air and pleaded for their safe return. Why would Clint call his mama miles away when all he had to do was walk a few steps and look and see for himself? Very strange behavior indeed. IMO:twocents:

~n/t~
01-15-2012, 07:45 AM
I believe the story changed, IIRC. It was initially reported that Clint called Karen but then the new version was that Karen called Clint after she got the call from the neighbour.

But then again....there have been so many versions, I lose track of what really happened that morning. It's all so convoluted.

liltexans
01-15-2012, 02:07 PM
These things bug the heck out of me:

1. the neighbor, a 31 yr old male, reporting a scream to his mother instead of checking himself
2. Clint calling his mother instead of checking himself
3. The items found in different locations and some near the school or main drag of town
4. the blood in the garage or was it a carport?
5. Not one word from Drew who Holly has dated for one year
6. Dana wasn't included in the first 40 min. or longer.
7. Lots of phone chatter up to the minute of crime.
8. Not knowing exactly where all cars were parked at time of crime
9. no mention of house ever being searched.
10. wearing flip flops to nursing school on chilly morning
11. What's this about "Our house dog woke me up". Does that mean their was an outside dog?
12. what about the abandoned car with the camo in it?
13..where was Holly's phone found?
14..why did she carry her schoolbooks, lunch bag and phone while being abducted?
15. Did Camo man have a rifle with him?

..and, why did pastor/sheriff/rep pulled Dana off the air and sat in his seat to answer questions to the media.

...the items of Holly's appear to be scattered around and quite a distance from each other. Did Holly throw to leave a trail or did perp throw due to arrogance? How significant is the disposal of belongings?

I want to know if this family has lawyered up because they sure behave like it.

What this case could use is a good profiler....

Wait, where did you get the idea that the house was never searched? This contradicts what we were told when this case first broke. I recall LE also removed computers from the Bobos' house and we used to have a poster here on WS who told us her daughter, who was a TBI forensic specialist, had personally removed the pool cover in the Bobos' back yard and looked inside.

As far as the car with camo inside, that was determined to belong to a hunter who was not involved with anything to do with Holly's abduction. Again, this goes back to the very beginning of this case. The early threads here on WS have the links.

We have never been told by LE that Holly's phone was found. The prevailing rumor seems to be that her phone was found, but that's never been confirmed as far as I know.

Whisperer
01-15-2012, 06:15 PM
Unless Nursing school is different in TN, flip flops are not allowed.

Whisperer
01-15-2012, 06:22 PM
I believe the phone was found. I get that from watching the Bobo's reaction when discussed.

As far as Drew goes, not one person has interviewed him. I don't get this "County folk" buisness. These people are college graduates. IOW ,they are educated.

Ok, so LE took the computers. Did they search the house with cadaver dogs? Did they track Holly into the woods? How many abandoned cars are found around there anyway? So that car found close to the trail where they found other stuff of Holly's was there for how long?

I wouldn't think there would be many abandoned cars in that area. This is a very strange case. We have a family who doesn't seem to utilize the media to help find their daughter. No friends, boyfriends or family speaking out for Holly. They have done private fundraisers, etc. There has been much money collected and a big reward but not one clue.

~n/t~
01-15-2012, 06:26 PM
Wait, where did you get the idea that the house was never searched? This contradicts what we were told when this case first broke. I recall LE also removed computers from the Bobos' house and we used to have a poster here on WS who told us her daughter, who was a TBI forensic specialist, had personally removed the pool cover in the Bobos' back yard and looked inside.

As far as the car with camo inside, that was determined to belong to a hunter who was not involved with anything to do with Holly's abduction. Again, this goes back to the very beginning of this case. The early threads here on WS have the links.

We have never been told by LE that Holly's phone was found. The prevailing rumor seems to be that her phone was found, but that's never been confirmed as far as I know.

This is the first time I hear the house was searched and a member here whose daughter removed the pool cover. Is the daughter LE? A friend?

I only joined this board in June but followed Holly's case on another board so I may have missed some of what you're saying.

If possible, if you can refer me to the MSM article about the house being searched and the thread where the WS member's daughter looked in the pool, I'd appreciate it....or if you can give me a clue as to when this was posted so I can do a board search for the information. 31 threads and hundreds of posts would take me forever

Thanks.

liltexans
01-15-2012, 06:33 PM
This is the first time I hear the house was searched and a member here whose daughter removed the pool cover. Is the daughter LE? A friend?

I only joined this board in June but followed Holly's case on another board so I may have missed some of what you're saying.

If possible, if you can refer me to the MSM article about the house being searched and the thread where the WS member's daughter looked in the pool, I'd appreciate it....or if you can give me a clue as to when this was posted so I can do a board search for the information. 31 threads and hundreds of posts would take me forever

Thanks.

I honestly don't remember the dates or which thread number. I would have to go back and read through just as you would. The poster's name here was something like MILofForensicTBISpec. I don't think she is a WS member anymore. Her daughter in law was a crime scene investigator who was one of the TBI forensic specialists who was at the Bobos' house following Holly's disappearance.

I'm pretty sure others who have followed this case since the beginning can back me up and may remember other pertinent details.

ETA
Okay, I just did a forum search and her user name was MILofForensicSpecTBI. Thread #16 seems to have some of her posts, but I didn't read each one.

Whisperer
01-15-2012, 06:33 PM
AFAIK, the hounds did NOT track Holly into the woods. I don't know but this case has way too many holes in it. The local LE are not willing to share information. It looks like they would just like it to go away. I can't stand these cases that take place in rural areas. Media is turned away and the cops shut everyone up.

liltexans
01-15-2012, 06:40 PM
If you search for the poster I mentioned, you can click on her name to show all of her posts. She posted 105 times while a member here.

cluciano63
01-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Holly's family, her mother, I think said she wasn't told if the phone had been found. I believe her, as she seemed frustrated, IMO, that they would not even tell her that much. If it was found, apparently it has not been very helpful...so not even sure how much it matters at this point, again JMO. Anything it had to offer should have been gleaned from it by now.

I've never seen it printed that Drew has refused interviews; not saying he hasn't, but has anyone really tried, I wonder? No reason for him to come forward, really, on his own, if he wasn't there. They weren't married, or even engaged as far as we know.

Still, the lack of Bobos in front of the media is troublesome, as it makes it difficult for those of us who don't even know Holly to continue to wrack our brains and exercise our hearts over her, when they aren't even out there trying to draw national attention.Again, JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO I know they have to live in that town, but the more national attention they could garner (and they can, I am sure) the more pressure would be on LE. IMO

~n/t~
01-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Drew is a big part of this. He may not have been directly involved but we can't ignore the facts.

Clint thought it was Drew even when he was told it wasn't.

Flurry of phone calls that morning between mom, Holly and Drew.

His silence is deafening.

My opinion.

~n/t~
01-15-2012, 07:11 PM
I honestly don't remember the dates or which thread number. I would have to go back and read through just as you would. The poster's name here was something like MILofForensicTBISpec. I don't think she is a WS member anymore. Her daughter in law was a crime scene investigator who was one of the TBI forensic specialists who was at the Bobos' house following Holly's disappearance.

I'm pretty sure others who have followed this case since the beginning can back me up and may remember other pertinent details.

ETA
Okay, I just did a forum search and her user name was MILofForensicSpecTBI. Thread #16 seems to have some of her posts, but I didn't read each one.

Thank you! Off to read........ :)

nosyone
01-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Still, the lack of Bobos in front of the media is troublesome, as it makes it difficult for those of us who don't even know Holly to continue to wrack our brains and exercise our hearts over her, when they aren't even out there trying to draw national attention.Again, JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO I know they have to live in that town, but the more national attention they could garner (and they can, I am sure) the more pressure would be on LE. IMOobo

I so agree with you, I believe that the Bobos could get ALL the airtime they wanted if they so choose! If there was one or two inconsistencies, I could understand, I am sure that that is normal in every case, but there isn't one aspect of this case released that doesn't have a contradiction to it. In one way, that is what makes this case so interesting, then in another way, that's what makes it so MADDENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead:

~n/t~
01-15-2012, 07:35 PM
I noticed there were quite a few locals posting back then. Wonder what happened? Did they give up?


Just curious.

o/t Where is BeanE? She was always so helpful with providing links here and Katelyn Markham's case. Hope she's ok.

liltexans
01-15-2012, 08:56 PM
I noticed there were quite a few locals posting back then. Wonder what happened? Did they give up?


Just curious.

o/t Where is BeanE? She was always so helpful with providing links here and Katelyn Markham's case. Hope she's ok.

The locals all left quite abruptly in early May. I don't know exactly what happened, but I sure wish we still had some locals posting here.

cfreyja23
01-15-2012, 11:27 PM
Thank you! Off to read........ :)

I would also recommend reading "greengreen's" posts. IIRC that posters was a verified local.

cluciano63
01-16-2012, 01:20 AM
I hope the locals didn't leave because some of us were questioning Clint's version of events...I know in another case (Hailey Dunn) we lost a local because people didn't believe Billie Dunn. It would be wonderful to hear from a local to see what the feeling in town is about what happened and if there are any POI's.

CanManEh
01-16-2012, 03:13 AM
Does anyone know when they found the cell phone. I can't figure out why they would
not tell anyone exspecially the familly not only that but why not use it to get some media attention and her story kept in the news ..Anyone else find it weird thatthis LE dont say anything keep it so hush hush then you look at Michelle Parker's case and they do the oppisit .I mean when they found her cell phone it was all over the news.where they found It, and What it lookes like . SO edifferent stragedy's from too different LE' agencies..

Whisperer
01-16-2012, 03:55 AM
I believe Karen knows about the phone. She was acting like she didn't know perhaps because she was told not to say anything. Dana gave us the blood belonged to Holly and vanished from his seat replaced by the sheriff/pastor/family spokesperson.

Whisperer
01-16-2012, 03:57 AM
Clint says the guy was wearing camo. Reports indicate it was Turkey Camo. That narrows down the list of suspects, imo.

These rural country crimes seem to all turn out the same way. If anyone followed the Tara Grinstead case, they can compare the crimes. Very rural town. She had one bf, who was with LE that night (or was he?), carousing around and has an alibi. No suspects. This beauty is gone, vanished in thin air.

The cops are mum. No place for media...they're not welcome in these type of areas. I don't think I should follow these real small town murders, it isn't good for my health. IMO, the good ole boy buddy system is alive and well and living out in the rural country.

TxLady2
01-16-2012, 10:16 AM
I believe the phone was found. I get that from watching the Bobo's reaction when discussed.

As far as Drew goes, not one person has interviewed him. I don't get this "County folk" buisness. These people are college graduates. IOW ,they are educated.

Ok, so LE took the computers. Did they search the house with cadaver dogs? Did they track Holly into the woods? How many abandoned cars are found around there anyway? So that car found close to the trail where they found other stuff of Holly's was there for how long?

I wouldn't think there would be many abandoned cars in that area. This is a very strange case. We have a family who doesn't seem to utilize the media to help find their daughter. No friends, boyfriends or family speaking out for Holly. They have done private fundraisers, etc. There has been much money collected and a big reward but not one clue.

Being country folks has nothing whatsoever to do with education. Maybe they are just quiet, unassuming people who don't want to be put in the spotlight. Maybe no one has offered to interview them lately, because nothing is going on, there is nothing to report. They aren't the kind of folks to seek publicity, so they go about their lives and do their own searching.

Just because we aren't privy to everything they do on a daily basis, doesn't mean they aren't concentrating on finding Holly. Perhaps they feel like the answers lie in that area, so keeping it in the national news is not going to help. Maybe they just don't want the attention on themselves, but rather centered on solving the case and finding out what happened to Holly.

I've seen a few cases that seemed to drag on and some hotshot reporter does a one-on-one interview with the parents, which turns out not to be about the missing person but instead turns out to be a profile of the parents.... how they feel, what they do, where they go, how they cope, etc. I've often thought... what on earth does that do to help find their loved one? Sometimes it ends up to be the family that is getting all the attention... not the MP. While it may be interesting, it's useless, because it's not about them, it's about the person who is missing. Sometimes I think we forget that.

OldSteve
01-16-2012, 11:08 AM
Being country folks has nothing whatsoever to do with education. Maybe they are just quiet, unassuming people who don't want to be put in the spotlight. Maybe no one has offered to interview them lately, because nothing is going on, there is nothing to report. They aren't the kind of folks to seek publicity, so they go about their lives and do their own searching.

Just because we aren't privy to everything they do on a daily basis, doesn't mean they aren't concentrating on finding Holly. Perhaps they feel like the answers lie in that area, so keeping it in the national news is not going to help. Maybe they just don't want the attention on themselves, but rather centered on solving the case and finding out what happened to Holly.

I've seen a few cases that seemed to drag on and some hotshot reporter does a one-on-one interview with the parents, which turns out not to be about the missing person but instead turns out to be a profile of the parents.... how they feel, what they do, where they go, how they cope, etc. I've often thought... what on earth does that do to help find their loved one? Sometimes it ends up to be the family that is getting all the attention... not the MP. While it may be interesting, it's useless, because it's not about them, it's about the person who is missing. Sometimes I think we forget that.

Lots of really good points TxLady2!

R.U.Kidding!
01-16-2012, 11:35 AM
Clint says the guy was wearing camo. Reports indicate it was Turkey Camo. That narrows down the list of suspects, imo.

These rural country crimes seem to all turn out the same way. If anyone followed the Tara Grinstead case, they can compare the crimes. Very rural town. She had one bf, who was with LE that night (or was he?), carousing around and has an alibi. No suspects. This beauty is gone, vanished in thin air.

The cops are mum. No place for media...they're not welcome in these type of areas. I don't think I should follow these real small town murders, it isn't good for my health. IMO, the good ole boy buddy system is alive and well and living out in the rural country.

I hear you Whisperer.......but look what happens when they have been interviewed. Every word goes under the microscope, and we begin to suspect the "family knows more then they are saying", Clint is weird, Dana was taken off the show for whatever reason, the minister is sinister, yada, yada, yada!!

Yikes! Can you blame them. I personally think the family has said ENOUGH. It is hard to say what is the best direction to go. I look at the Robyn Gardner/ Aruban mystery and on that thread there is a feeling there was too much information out there from so many sources we can't believe anything, it is all misinformation. Sometimes, frustrating as it may be for the public, we have no right to every piece of info--only the family does. So I would like to believe this is the case, and we are not aware of ALL that is being done behind the scenes.

R.U.Kidding!
01-16-2012, 12:00 PM
Sorry, just another thought. Last night I had watched a Dateline show that centered on a young girl who was raped, murdered and thrown off a cliff to make it look like an accident. Her mother, who had a background in law drove the State police and local LE "crazy", so much so they stopped taking her calls or giving her info. She just thought they were totally incompetent and never really took her case seriously.

Long story short : 12 years later-finally the man responsible wen t on trial. For the first time she saw the "crime scene" tape of their investigation, and broke down in tears. The tape showed these officers on their hands and knees looking for evidence, in the water , and literally turning over every inch of ground in that area for clues. When that day was over she went to the officer. She kissed him and apologized for ever believing they weren't doing enough.

I know -so what's the point? We just NEVER know what goes on behind the scenes of any given investigation. Just because there is no information forthcoming, doesn't mean there is NO INFORMATION, or that the case is GOING Nowhere.Let's hope that is the case here. Sleuth's will just have to work with the info we DO have. Just sayin!!

cluciano63
01-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Sorry, just another thought. Last night I had watched a Dateline show that centered on a young girl who was raped, murdered and thrown off a cliff to make it look like an accident. Her mother, who had a background in law drove the State police and local LE "crazy", so much so they stopped taking her calls or giving her info. She just thought they were totally incompetent and never really took her case seriously.

Long story short : 12 years later-finally the man responsible wen t on trial. For the first time she saw the "crime scene" tape of their investigation, and broke down in tears. The tape showed these officers on their hands and knees looking for evidence, in the water , and literally turning over every inch of ground in that area for clues. When that day was over she went to the officer. She kissed him and apologized for ever believing they weren't doing enough.

I know -so what's the point? We just NEVER know what goes on behind the scenes of any given investigation. Just because there is no information forthcoming, doesn't mean there is NO INFORMATION, or that the case is GOING Nowhere.Let's hope that is the case here. Sleuth's will just have to work with the info we DO have. Just sayin!!

I saw the show too and commmented on it in another thread...but I don't feel that is the case here, JMO. In that case, they had DNA, it wasn't a secret, they just didn't have the tools yet, or anyone to match up with it. The mother was surprised at how thoroughly the officers had examined the scene, more so than she ever expected, and it did help them in court, once they had a CODIS hit years later. It wasn't so much that the LE was keeping things secret in that case, as in Holly's, IMO, where the issue of the phone seems to be "top secret" as well what, if any, other items still remain missing. This case gives me the feeling that LE is basically saying "none of your bizness" to the public and the family just because they can. JMO

~n/t~
01-16-2012, 02:37 PM
I've seen cases go cold until a new chief of police or sheriff gets appointed and other detectives get assigned to the case.

Maybe Sheriff Wyatt is too emotionally invested in this case. I've never seen a Sheriff cry when an adult goes missing or is kidnapped. Yes if and when a body is found, they do tend to become emotional but on the same day of the abduction? It shows a weakness. I'm not saying this as criticism but only to show that sometimes not the right people are made to take on such a task to find a missing person. I'm sure many mistakes were made because of this.

My opinion only.

cfreyja23
01-16-2012, 05:33 PM
I've read so many posts about why LE is being so secretive in this case. Maybe I just made the assumption long ago that they really, really meant it when they said that they believe it was a local. If LE thought this guy was a transient or a truck driver, someone passing through, I believe their response would've been much, much more open. We would've seen a lot of information released to the public, because LE wouldn't have a clue who it was if this was a stranger abduction. Releasing information could only help in that case.
Obviously (or maybe it's just obvious to me), LE can't be open about pieces of evidence and information regarding searches because the person is living in the town. Forewarning a person who is 1) in the area and 2) familiar with the community, could lead to destruction of evidence, creation of alibis, threats to the Bobo family, who knows what else.
The lack of new information suggests to me they already have a very strong suspect, but don't have probable cause to make an arrest. Any information released now would not help the case, IMO.

wishuwerehere
01-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Clint was the last person to have seen Holly before she went missing.

Clint and Holly were alone together in the home before Holly went missing.

Clint has stated that he believed it was Drew he saw with Holly on the morning she went missing. Clint was told, “No, that’s not Drew.” Good thing Drew had an alibi, huh?

I believe there is a fork in the road in this case. On the left you can believe Clint’s story and try to find Holly by finding the mysterious camo man. Or on the right you can throw out Clint’s story because it is all BS.

Is this case simple? Yes. Because there’s only two choices. Clint is either telling the truth about what he saw or he’s not.

A big hole resides in our knowledge about the family dynamic.
And I believe we will never be privy to that info.

jmo

MizStery
01-17-2012, 06:45 AM
Clint was the last person to have seen Holly before she went missing.

Clint and Holly were alone together in the home before Holly went missing.

Clint has stated that he believed it was Drew he saw with Holly on the morning she went missing. Clint was told, “No, that’s not Drew.” Good thing Drew had an alibi, huh?

I believe there is a fork in the road in this case. On the left you can believe Clint’s story and try to find Holly by finding the mysterious camo man. Or on the right you can throw out Clint’s story
because it is all BS.Is this case simple? Yes. Because there’s only two choices. Clint is either
telling the truth about what he saw or he’s not.

A big hole resides in our knowledge about the family dynamic.
And I believe we will never be privy to that info.
jmo

There are human errors made every day that do not result in a tragedy. For whatever reason these human errors do not queue up in a certain order or someone recognizes a chain is being formed and breaks it before the tragedy happens.

As we read through the timeline the morning Holly was abducted it seems like the tragic chain could have been broken at almost every twist and turn. As I read through the events I marvel at how CB did not
unintentionally stumble on Holly's abduction and break the chain of events that morning. One has to believe CB is either the most unfortunate of human beings or he for some unknown reason looked the other way and
chose not to break the tragic chain and gave the perp more than adequate time and opportunity to "spirit" Holly away. Perhaps I am too cynical(putting CB's retelling under a microscope) but as generous as I try to be in my reading of the timeline I just do not find CB's statement believable. :waitasec:

MOO

OldSteve
01-17-2012, 11:02 AM
I noticed there were quite a few locals posting back then. Wonder what happened? Did they give up?


Just curious.

o/t Where is BeanE? She was always so helpful with providing links here and Katelyn Markham's case. Hope she's ok.

With nothing new really happening, I'm going to simply watch the Information thread for Holly:
TN TN - Holly Bobo, 20 yrs old, Decatur County, 13 April 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Perhaps that's what others are doing too...

TxLady2
01-18-2012, 08:04 AM
I've seen cases go cold until a new chief of police or sheriff gets appointed and other detectives get assigned to the case.

Maybe Sheriff Wyatt is too emotionally invested in this case. I've never seen a Sheriff cry when an adult goes missing or is kidnapped. Yes if and when a body is found, they do tend to become emotional but on the same day of the abduction? It shows a weakness. I'm not saying this as criticism but only to show that sometimes not the right people are made to take on such a task to find a missing person. I'm sure many mistakes were made because of this.

My opinion only.

In most states, (certainly in TX) the sheriff is elected, not appointed. Most of them are in the job for many years, unless they're not very good and someone better runs for office.
I don't know their setup there but there are only so many detectives in various divisions within the department, so it's not always possible to assign different detectives to a case.
And I wouldn't call being emotional over a kidnapping as a sign of weakness. They're human, after all. Maybe this sheriff is a close friend of the family.

mountainguy777
01-19-2012, 02:43 PM
Time for LE to do a presser to update status of case.
Dispell rumors
Leads
Hot/cold

Woe.be.gone
01-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Hi, I spent time last night reading up on this case but didn't/can't read every single post. On thread 29 a male neighbor who lives in a trailer on his mother's property cames into the picture. I never heard about him before - that he came onto the property the morning Holly disappeared because he had heard a scream. That's new info that surprised me.

Also the info about the boyfriend hunting on the the grandmother's (of HB) property that very morning? What are the circumstances surrounding some family member (is it known who?) questioning him and his dad about being there?

These two developments are interesting considering I hadn't heard anything about these activities in the early months when I followed the case.

It seems to me that some information should be easy/straight forward from the beginning - like who was where when and why. I have a very bad feeling about the brother's account of things. Does his account seem too complicated due to something being lost in translation or is it simply too complicated? Then I had the thought that the brother and his family might be afraid of someone which is making them sound strange and guarded.

I know that LE can sit on cases for years just waiting for that one piece of evidence that would secure a conviction to fall into place when all along they're confident who the perp is. I'm wondering if that's the case here. One final thing, the dogs did not track into the woods - that bothers me alot.

Woe.be.gone
01-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Also, early on there was talk that someone who Holly's dad hired to work in his tree business was angry with him - they had a falling out of some kind. This was touched on and no details were given. Maybe the guy even threatened Dana in some way? If he thinks this guy (whoever he is) did something to his daughter to spite him, I can only imagine how he'd feel. The dad may be quiet because he's filled with rage and has to try to contain himself with every ounce of strength he has while waiting for justice to play out. He may just want to go kill someone himself.

Carla Lashelle
01-19-2012, 04:24 PM
Also, early on there was talk that someone who Holly's dad hired to work in his tree business was angry with him - they had a falling out of some kind. This was touched on and no details were given. Maybe the guy even threatened Dana in some way? If he thinks this guy (whoever he is) did something to his daughter to spite him, I can only imagine how he'd feel. The dad may be quiet because he's filled with rage and has to try to contain himself with every ounce of strength he has while waiting for justice to play out. He may just want to go kill someone himself.

only a rumor AFAIK. And you would think IF someone like this did exist that cops would look into them.

JenniferTx
01-19-2012, 04:48 PM
Clint says the guy was wearing camo. Reports indicate it was Turkey Camo. That narrows down the list of suspects, imo.

These rural country crimes seem to all turn out the same way. If anyone followed the Tara Grinstead case, they can compare the crimes. Very rural town. She had one bf, who was with LE that night (or was he?), carousing around and has an alibi. No suspects. This beauty is gone, vanished in thin air.

The cops are mum. No place for media...they're not welcome in these type of areas. I don't think I should follow these real small town murders, it isn't good for my health. IMO, the good ole boy buddy system is alive and well and living out in the rural country.

If this person was said to be wearing "turkey camo" wouldn't it be possible he had a hunting license? Did LE check all of the records of people who had purchased hunting licenses with the turkey tag? Just a thought.

Fishee
01-19-2012, 05:06 PM
I believe there is a fork in the road in this case. On the left you can believe Clint’s story and try to find Holly by finding the mysterious camo man. Or on the right you can throw out Clint’s story because it is all BS.

Is this case simple? Yes. Because there’s only two choices. Clint is either telling the truth about what he saw or he’s not.

I like simple. Simple is usually correct.

To take it a step further (albeit in a slightly different direction...)

If you don't buy Clint's story, things get exponentially more complex pretty quickly:

-If he knows the abductor, he's covering for an accomplice he hired to kill his sister?

-If he doesn't know the abductor, he saw what he saw and just "let" it happen?

If you buy Clint's story, his reaction was that of someone in a state of shock. Shock is unpredictable and complex.

The simpler explanation is the stranger abduction.

TxLady2
01-19-2012, 05:36 PM
Simple is usually the way it ends up as well. It's nearly always not as complicated as people make it out to be. I guess a lot of folks love conspiracy theories but I can't see it here... some guy has just gotten away with a kidnapping and that's all it is. No good ole boy network, no being fearful of someone with way too much power and influence, no covering for a boyfriend/relative, etc.

There may be a lot of confusion over Clint's reactions, but when you take into consideration that 1) he may have just stepped out of the shower and was nude, thus not running outside to follow them, and 2) what was happening just wasn't registering with him right then and he may just not be a quick thinker. Plus, initially he thought Holly knew this guy.

I've been in that same state of mind. I came home one day from shopping with my mother and found out my house had burned while I was gone. Still, I was determined to take my groceries home before the ice cream melted, so I was rushing my boys to hurry and get in the car so we could go, and one of them asked me where I planned on putting the groceries. For a couple of minutes it just didn't register... I stood there with my mouth open and then when it hit me I just dropped to the ground, crying. Losing my little dog was the hardest thing to accept.

TxLady2
01-19-2012, 05:47 PM
I believe the phone was found. I get that from watching the Bobo's reaction when discussed.

As far as Drew goes, not one person has interviewed him. I don't get this "County folk" buisness. These people are college graduates. IOW ,they are educated.

Ok, so LE took the computers. Did they search the house with cadaver dogs? Did they track Holly into the woods? How many abandoned cars are found around there anyway? So that car found close to the trail where they found other stuff of Holly's was there for how long?

I wouldn't think there would be many abandoned cars in that area. This is a very strange case. We have a family who doesn't seem to utilize the media to help find their daughter. No friends, boyfriends or family speaking out for Holly. They have done private fundraisers, etc. There has been much money collected and a big reward but not one clue.

Been meaning to address this, but why on earth would they bring cadaver dogs into the house? Her brother saw her being led into the woods, walking on her own two feet, she obviously wasn't dead. I doubt that they even suspected anything else at that point.
Believe it or not, LE has to start from what the family says initially and go from there. Until something else starts them going in a different direction, they have no choice but to begin with the facts they are told right at first. If you mean did they bring in cadaver dogs later on, I don't know, but unless they have good reason to suspect a death occurred in the home, they wouldn't have, I'm pretty sure.

Carla Lashelle
01-19-2012, 08:14 PM
Been meaning to address this, but why on earth would they bring cadaver dogs into the house? Her brother saw her being led into the woods, walking on her own two feet, she obviously wasn't dead. I doubt that they even suspected anything else at that point.
Believe it or not, LE has to start from what the family says initially and go from there. Until something else starts them going in a different direction, they have no choice but to begin with the facts they are told right at first. If you mean did they bring in cadaver dogs later on, I don't know, but unless they have good reason to suspect a death occurred in the home, they wouldn't have, I'm pretty sure.

well for one the only witness has a sort of sketchy story and they would want to check the property for a variety of reasons and not just take the word of the only witness that yeah she walked off OVER THERE...

Fishee
01-19-2012, 08:47 PM
I think the fuel for conspiracies in this case is the lack of info; It's easy to get carried away when we don't know much.

That said, every Sleuther's bestest buddy should be 'ole man Occam.

My guess is the quiet from Camp Bobo at this point is at the behest of LE as to what's in the best interest of the investigation. I doubt it's anything more.

I sometimes think the core of the frustration is just that this case looked so "solvable" in the beginning.

cluciano63
01-19-2012, 08:49 PM
I think the fuel for conspiracies in this case is the lack of info; It's easy to get carried away when we don't know much.

That said, every Sleuther's bestest buddy should be 'ole man Occam.

My guess is the quiet from Camp Bobo at this point is at the behest of LE as to what's in the best interest of the investigation. I doubt it's anything more.

I sometimes think the core of the frustration is just that this case looked so "solvable" in the beginning.

Mrs. B seemed very frustrated with LE when she DID speak out...perhaps she was chastised. I get a very autocratic feeling about this particular LEA which may or may not be true, but she said, more than once, that they keep telling her that they are not required to keep her informed by law. Of course they aren't, but they seem to get a charge out of telling her that. JMO

wishuwerehere
01-20-2012, 03:30 AM
I like simple. Simple is usually correct.

To take it a step further (albeit in a slightly different direction...)

If you don't buy Clint's story, things get exponentially more complex pretty quickly:

-If he knows the abductor, he's covering for an accomplice he hired to kill his sister?

-If he doesn't know the abductor, he saw what he saw and just "let" it happen?

If you buy Clint's story, his reaction was that of someone in a state of shock. Shock is unpredictable and complex.

The simpler explanation is the stranger abduction.

IMO, you left out the simplest explanation of all. :twocents:

ThoughtFox
01-20-2012, 03:39 AM
If this person was said to be wearing "turkey camo" wouldn't it be possible he had a hunting license? Did LE check all of the records of people who had purchased hunting licenses with the turkey tag? Just a thought.

The turkey camo is a rumor only. Someone wrote one time that it "might have been" turkey camo - not sure why. Maybe it was turkey season.

But I think that's just a long-running rumor.

ThoughtFox
01-20-2012, 03:42 AM
Been meaning to address this, but why on earth would they bring cadaver dogs into the house? Her brother saw her being led into the woods, walking on her own two feet, she obviously wasn't dead. I doubt that they even suspected anything else at that point.
Believe it or not, LE has to start from what the family says initially and go from there. Until something else starts them going in a different direction, they have no choice but to begin with the facts they are told right at first. If you mean did they bring in cadaver dogs later on, I don't know, but unless they have good reason to suspect a death occurred in the home, they wouldn't have, I'm pretty sure.

Because people lie sometimes.

And the brother was the only witness, so all they have to go on is rather bizarre story.

ThoughtFox
01-20-2012, 03:49 AM
I've seen cases go cold until a new chief of police or sheriff gets appointed and other detectives get assigned to the case.

Maybe Sheriff Wyatt is too emotionally invested in this case. I've never seen a Sheriff cry when an adult goes missing or is kidnapped. Yes if and when a body is found, they do tend to become emotional but on the same day of the abduction? It shows a weakness. I'm not saying this as criticism but only to show that sometimes not the right people are made to take on such a task to find a missing person. I'm sure many mistakes were made because of this.

My opinion only.

He was elected, and that's the case in most counties in Tennessee, I think.

Interesting article from November 2010 about Sheriff Wyatt's life as both a Baptist minister and in Law Enforcement:
http://www.tnbaptist.org/BRARticle.asp?ID=3593

Wyatt, who has served as pastor of Darden Baptist Church here since 1999, was elected sheriff of Decatur County in 2006.

In August (2010), he was re-elected to a second four-year term.

(snip)

Law enforcement has been a part of Wyatt’s life since the late 1970s. He has run the gamut, serving as a county deputy, a city policeman and finally sheriff.

(snip)

He noted that Decatur County has the same problems as most other counties in Tennessee. “As much as 86-90 per cent of our crime is drug-related,” he said.

Overall, the crime rate is not that bad. “We are probably a little below the national average,” he said.

The 65-year-old sheriff said he does not know for sure if he will seek another term in four years. He laughed, however, that his wife threw away his re-election signs following his victory in August.

ETA: More at link ~ it mentions that he was shot once in the line of duty and spent months in intensive care. And between being a pastor and a sheriff he is on call 24 hours a day.

But it's easy to see how there could be conflicts between his two jobs, especially in a complicated case like this. Even if he wasn't pastor of a church, he would probably still know the family because Darden is such a small place.

Plumeria5
01-20-2012, 05:18 AM
I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10007417.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Wanting2Help
01-20-2012, 09:32 AM
http://www.wate.com/story/16560666/human-remains-found-in-loudon-county


LOUDON (WATE)- Human remains were found in Loudon county on Thursday night.

Sheriff Tim Guider tells 6 News it looks to be a small person.

cluciano63
01-20-2012, 10:20 AM
http://www.wate.com/story/16560666/human-remains-found-in-loudon-county

Looks to be on the other side of the state...but who knows...

houndstooth
01-20-2012, 11:39 AM
The turkey camo is a rumor only. Someone wrote one time that it "might have been" turkey camo - not sure why. Maybe it was turkey season.

But I think that's just a long-running rumor.


I think where the idea of turkey camo came from is Clint's insistence that he
thought it was Drew, who would have been wearing turkey camo.
Clint stated that he had a conversation the night before about Drew's hunting trip.

So for him to have confused them would be to assume this person whom he
described as also wearing what a turkey hunter would wear.

Carla Lashelle
01-20-2012, 07:54 PM
Looks to be on the other side of the state...but who knows...

I read that... the indicator that it might not be Holly is that it is said that the skeleton looked to have been there several years...

Hippy Chick
01-21-2012, 01:08 PM
I think where the idea of turkey camo came from is Clint's insistence that he
thought it was Drew, who would have been wearing turkey camo.
Clint stated that he had a conversation the night before about Drew's hunting trip.

So for him to have confused them would be to assume this person whom he
described as also wearing what a turkey hunter would wear.

One thing I have always wondered and probably dosen't even matter but, we all saw the pics of Clint and Drew with all the dead ducks. So it stands to reason Clint was a hunter. Why wasen't Clint out turkey hunting himself. Turkey season here in Missouri is kinda a bonding time so to speak for the guys not like deer season but if they are a dedicatied hunter they are out that first morning for sure. That has always made me wonder. Correct me if I am wrong when the story 1st broke didn't it come out that Drew was at work maybe like 30 mins away then all of a sudden he is at Holly's GM's land hunting? Like I said probably means nothing but crossed my mind more
than once.

Oriah
01-21-2012, 01:36 PM
Bumping for Holly:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Also, here are the hunting seasons listed for TN counties (again.)
It was not the first day of turkey hunting season- and it wouldn't matter if it was on private land, one way or the other.

http://tn.gov/twra/turkeymain.html

Onyx
01-21-2012, 02:55 PM
One thing I have always wondered and probably dosen't even matter but, we all saw the pics of Clint and Drew with all the dead ducks. So it stands to reason Clint was a hunter. Why wasen't Clint out turkey hunting himself. Turkey season here in Missouri is kinda a bonding time so to speak for the guys not like deer season but if they are a dedicatied hunter they are out that first morning for sure. That has always made me wonder. Correct me if I am wrong when the story 1st broke didn't it come out that Drew was at work maybe like 30 mins away then all of a sudden he is at Holly's GM's land hunting? Like I said probably means nothing but crossed my mind more
than once.
Clint was said to have a paper he was planning to write that day.

nosyone
01-21-2012, 11:22 PM
I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10007417.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Thank you for posting these pictures, I had not seen many of them. This is my opinion and my opinion only, but from the very first time I saw a picture of HB and DS together, my first thought was, that they surely didn't look matched. He is a nice looking guy, but he looks like a tall little boy, while HB looks like a very beautiful young woman. That has nothing to do with the case I know, but just an aside thought I had.:waitasec:

cluciano63
01-21-2012, 11:57 PM
Personally, I feel that Clint has told the truth as best he can. I don't think he knows who took Holly and I don't believe Drew does either. I think Clint turned out to be what is possibly the world's worst witness for a crime taking place before his eyes, and that the man who did abduct Holly had no idea of how lucky he would be in having Clint be his witness. In fact, if Clint hadn't seen anything at all, it might be thought that Holly ran off alone, so really, the only thing he has been able to confirm is that she left with someone. If not for the blood, he couldn't even say she had not done so willingly. As much as I lack faith in this LEA, I don't envy them for having Clint be their main hope for clues. JMO

wishuwerehere
01-22-2012, 02:46 AM
I do not believe Clint needs to be defended. Holly needs to be found. And to do so, if Clint needs to be investigated by LE, so be it. Clint’s tale is quite suspicious to say the least. As in, why didn’t Clint hear a vehicle pulling away (a pickup truck, or a car?). He had no problem hearing the cop cars driving up the road. (I know - he had a bee in his ear at the time and couldn’t hear. Whatever.)

jmo

Oriah
01-22-2012, 05:34 AM
I am interested in an area S of Parsons- Savannah TN- the Dry Creek area. It's about an hour S of Darden- you go through Parsons, then down 69 through Decauterville.
Are there any locals on WS's who may have knowledge of this area, and fishing camps/ATV routes/campgrounds, etc? TIA.

http://www.hookandbullet.com/fishing-dry-creek-savannah-tn/

~n/t~
01-22-2012, 07:29 AM
So frustrating. I fail to understand TBI in this case. Volunteer searchers were willing and ready to continue searching but TBI announced no more searches.



On April 27 TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm announced that the investigation is narrowing and that they know a lot more than they did when Holly first went missing. She said their investigation is now more focused and that they continue to follow up on leads.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-police-presence-henderson-county

Really? Here we are 9 months later and it doesn't sound like it's any more focused than it was the day Holly vanished.

clarabelle
01-22-2012, 06:12 PM
I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10007417.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

I am completely confused. The third photo is not Holly. The eyes and the shape of the face are completely different. Looks more like Natalie to me..see pic #35 and compare the faces in the photos.

TxLady2
01-22-2012, 06:14 PM
Because people lie sometimes.

And the brother was the only witness, so all they have to go on is rather bizarre story.

They don't bring in cadaver dogs unless there is a strong possibility or suspicion of death, and obviously there was none. Cadaver dogs and handlers would have to be brought in from another part of the state, and that costs the agency money. No sheriff is going to start racking up big bills within the first few hours unless he has good reason to.
I don't find the story that bizarre. There are some things that are a bit confusing (to us) but very few cases make perfect sense until someone is arrested and more of the details come out once it goes to court.

Oriah
01-22-2012, 07:09 PM
I am completely confused. The third photo is not Holly. The eyes and the shape of the face are completely different. Looks more like Natalie to me..see pic #35 and compare the faces in the photos.

Natalie?? Please explain....

clarabelle
01-22-2012, 07:15 PM
Her cousin Natalie

Carla Lashelle
01-22-2012, 07:43 PM
A good many photos of everyone have been mis-captioned. I would not really think much about it at this point.

cfreyja23
01-22-2012, 08:25 PM
So frustrating. I fail to understand TBI in this case. Volunteer searchers were willing and ready to continue searching but TBI announced no more searches.





http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-police-presence-henderson-county

Really? Here we are 9 months later and it doesn't sound like it's any more focused than it was the day Holly vanished.

IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

tiredblondy
01-22-2012, 08:58 PM
IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)



I had read those rumors too. Seems like the cousin who is a singer could help with that expense.

cluciano63
01-22-2012, 09:23 PM
I doubt this case will ever come to court. JMO. I think it will be one of those mysteries that are never solved.

Whisperer
01-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Has anyone kept track of the money the Bobos have raised since last April? It seems they have collected quite a lot.

Recall the words of Karen after the t-shirt drive? I think that cleared about $25,000. (on just t-shirts). Karen said she was saving it for Holly to take a vacation when she is found. I thought that odd. I think she has odd words and thoughts;as does Clint. Dana appears clear in thought.

wfgodot
01-22-2012, 09:27 PM
So I guess that warrant bust of Tony Calabrese really moved the case forward.

Whisperer
01-22-2012, 09:35 PM
I am interested in an area S of Parsons- Savannah TN- the Dry Creek area. It's about an hour S of Darden- you go through Parsons, then down 69 through Decauterville.
Are there any locals on WS's who may have knowledge of this area, and fishing camps/ATV routes/campgrounds, etc? TIA.

http://www.hookandbullet.com/fishing-dry-creek-savannah-tn/

Oriah, can you pinpoint where Drew S was hunting that fateful morning. Was it in the direction of your interest? I see by the photos of that area, that it is a dreamland for body hiding.

What road did LE take to get to Holly's? North or South?

Was Drew out there that morning searching for Holly? It appears there were many people on the property. Any reason why a crime scene was not established immediately? LE could have blocked all traffic with patrol cars.

~n/t~
01-22-2012, 09:37 PM
IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.

Whisperer
01-22-2012, 09:48 PM
I'm still stuck on FULL turkey camo. How many strangers abducting Holly are going to wear Turkey Camo early in the morning other than a turkey hunter. The only thing that makes sense is Clint thinking he saw Drew. Perhaps he did. Why are we just not willig to go there? Not once has he been seen or heard from since that day. He was her boyfriend for a year. They saw each other every day and he is now in hiding. He was turkey hunting that morning. What happened? Was there an accident?

Drew should be out searching and taking names...instead of being in seclusion.

MizStery
01-22-2012, 10:44 PM
I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. *After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. *IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.


Or, at the very least a Grand Jury. In a high profile case like this, i would think there would at least be rumored or leaked some word of a Grand Jury. I just would like to find Holly. Delaying moving
this crime forward only benefits the perpetrator.

Here is the link on how Grand Juries operate in TN

http://www.tncourts.gov/rules/rules-criminal-procedure/6

:waiting: MOO

cfreyja23
01-22-2012, 11:37 PM
I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.

I was thinking of the paragliders, too, but for some reason I kept thinking of them as "hang-gliders," which sounds ridiculous. I'm not well-versed in things that happen in the sky! :)

The thing about probable cause is, if they enter property without pc or permission, any evidence gathered would be inadmissible in court. I'd be interested to find out where in particular paragliders were requested to view from above. If the locations are privately owned, IMO that might indicate the owners (or relatives of the owners) are POIs.

Edited: Also, if you think about cold cases in general, sp many of them are cold because LE didn't have probable cause to arrest or to obtain a search warrant, even when they had a viable suspect. If Holly was taken to someone's private property, I really don't see how LE would get a search warrant unless evidence is found on public property nearby, or someone sees something from above (in plain view).

SmoothOperator
01-23-2012, 12:24 AM
With regards to the above discussion of LE unable to search, nor qualify for getting a search warrant to enter and search areas that are private property.. Upon pondering on this issue I do find as plausible that we could in fact be dealing with a situation such as this.. For example take a wealthy, heavily connected family and it be a member of that family that is who is responsible for Holly's abduction/murder.. IMO its not out of the realm of possibility that this perp and possibly members of his family were to have helped after the fact in concealing and covering up that murder.. I believe it possible that they may find that an avenue to take in burying the victim on their private property(and not necessarily their home or residence property but another property owned by family).. And know for certain that with their being no evidence tying any of them to her disappearance that they would be safe from even worrying about LE procuring a search warrant to search that family owned property where they have the body buried..

I believe especially with it being a wealthy and/or heavily connected family that would only make them more confident in their belief that NO WAY IN HELL LE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVER SEARCH THEIR PROPERTY.. This keeping their family member responsible for her murder protected as well as protecting the family's good name and standing in the community..

Definitely an avenue that I atleast find to be plausible in this case..

Jmo, tho!!

Oriah
01-23-2012, 08:27 AM
Her cousin Natalie

Do you mean Whitney?

Oriah
01-23-2012, 08:29 AM
IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

Link please?

Oriah
01-23-2012, 08:43 AM
Oriah, can you pinpoint where Drew S was hunting that fateful morning. Was it in the direction of your interest? I see by the photos of that area, that it is a dreamland for body hiding.

What road did LE take to get to Holly's? North or South?

Was Drew out there that morning searching for Holly? It appears there were many people on the property. Any reason why a crime scene was not established immediately? LE could have blocked all traffic with patrol cars.

No, that's not based on the direction of where Drew was hunting that morning. It's based on the the most likely direction of vehicle travel (IMVHO) from the residence in order to evade anyone who may have noticed something unusual- such as LE- and locally known as a very popular hunting, fishing, and ATV trail area. All sports which are very popular in the community. I also did a little searching of some social networking sites, and matched up some profiles with the folks in the MSM photos of the volunteer searchers.

I feel strongly that if Holly's abductor is 'local' (and by that, I should say I believe he may be very much under the radar- not the prominent type person that many people seem to think) I think he is likely an outdoorsman. And he likely knew of and had access to a location such as a hunting or fishing shack, blind, cabin, trailer, etc.

And the hour or so drive fits, to me. The only thing that I get stuck on is going through Parsons. Might Holly's abductor (and possibly Holly) actually have passed incoming LE and volunteer searchers- traveling in the opposite direction? Who may have showed up at a later search that wasn't an immmediate responder? Just thoughts.

wishuwerehere
01-23-2012, 01:20 PM
Oriah, I think your strategy of mapping to find Holly is worthwhile regarding direction, opportunity and seclusion, but only if you believe the witness account as fact.

If the witness account is not believed, where would you suggest searching?

Do you know if the topography in Parsons, TN is cavernous?

TIA

Stolly
01-23-2012, 01:27 PM
...Might Holly's abductor (and possibly Holly) actually have passed incoming LE and volunteer searchers- traveling in the opposite direction? ...Just thoughts.

Snipped by me.

This is a good point Oriah, something I glanced over but never gave much thought.

Swan Johnson Rd, Myracle Town Rd, 5 Forks Rd along with most roads in the area are rather narrow.

Where I live, police cruisers have dashboard cameras (many have exterior cameras, front and back) that automatically record as soon as an officer turns on their lights and siren (code 3, meaning lights and sirens needed, fast emergency response).

I would imagine that, when the police did find out that a man lead Holly Bobo into the woods along with Clint's call that blood was found, all police cruisers in the area would be dispatched code 3 to the Bobo residence, possibly video taping a suspect's car leave the area as they enter it.

Even if it didn't film the suspect's car, it might be helpful to follow up and interview the people who drove those cars to find out if they saw anything out of the ordinary on or near those roads.

Does anyone know if the local police vehicles have this capability?

Thoughts from people that have read far more case files than I have?

cluciano63
01-23-2012, 03:46 PM
Snipped by me.

This is a good point Oriah, something I glanced over but never gave much thought.

Swan Johnson Rd, Myracle Town Rd, 5 Forks Rd along with most roads in the area are rather narrow.

Where I live, police cruisers have dashboard cameras (many have exterior cameras, front and back) that automatically record as soon as an officer turns on their lights and siren (code 3, meaning lights and sirens needed, fast emergency response).

I would imagine that, when the police did find out that a man lead Holly Bobo into the woods along with Clint's call that blood was found, all police cruisers in the area would be dispatched code 3 to the Bobo residence, possibly video taping a suspect's car leave the area as they enter it.

Even if it didn't film the suspect's car, it might be helpful to follow up and interview the people who drove those cars to find out if they saw anything out of the ordinary on or near those roads.

Does anyone know if the local police vehicles have this capability?

Thoughts from people that have read far more case files than I have?

Not having heard the 911 call (s) it is difficult to know what frame of mind LE was in when they were heading out to the house...they may have been told Holly had been last seen walking into the woods with an unidentified man...in which case, they may not have been looking for vehicles at all, especially without a description. I somehow doubt they all had dashcams going, etc...JMO

nosyone
01-23-2012, 04:46 PM
[quote=cfreyja23;7535072]

I'd be interested to find out where in particular paragliders were requested to view from above. If the locations are privately owned, IMO that might indicate the owners (or relatives of the owners) are POIs.

I seem to remember that the last time Paragliders searched for HB, KB asked them to search a certain area. I am thinking that she has an idea of who and where. JMO.

MizStery
01-23-2012, 05:34 PM
[quote=cfreyja23;7535072]

I'd be interested to find out where in particular paragliders were requested to view from above. If the locations are privately owned, IMO that might indicate the owners (or relatives of the owners) are POIs.

I seem to remember that the last time Paragliders searched for HB, KB asked them to search a certain area. I am thinking that she has an idea of who and where. JMO.

In a paraglider even with the help of a good wind you are not in the air very long. It seems a small
plane or helicopter using a high resolution camera would be the best solution. A grid could be
mapped out using GPS. This might make the perp nervous & perhaps a trap could be set. I think it
could also be a great strategy to make it obvious LE is targeting an area with the aerial surveillance. The perp might feel that LE got a tip and are ready to spring a search warrant...it might just make the perp make a move that could break the case. :websleuther:

I still think a Grand Jury would be a way to get people to answer questions under oath or face
contempt.( :star: for Fishee! For the correct term i was looking for) :smile:

My last thought is one that has always seemed a possibility. Both sides of my family are from the
NE corner of Mississippi. I remember even as a child hiking out in the under brush to an old family homestead or farm. I also remember the wells because they were so fascinating to me. They would uncover them and i could look to see the water deep inside. I would assume TN would be very much the same. If it wasn't for my grandparents taking us back on the property and showing us where the outbuilding,root cellars and the abandoned wells were located I would
never know where to look. I do not believe you would find it on a map. It is something that my grandparents would show us and tell us stories about raising a family and growing cotton and a vegetable garden. Usually there were aunts and uncles houses somewhere in the vacinity. Just a place where for generations people stayed and farmed the land. MOO

Fishee
01-23-2012, 08:11 PM
I still think a Grand Jury would be a way to get people to answer questions under oath or face
perjury.

That would be contempt not perjury.

cfreyja23
01-23-2012, 08:55 PM
Link please?

I'm not sure why you would ask for a link to something prefaced as my opinion. It's my opinion based on the many things I've read about the case, there is no link to it.

Oriah
01-24-2012, 09:18 AM
Oriah, I think your strategy of mapping to find Holly is worthwhile regarding direction, opportunity and seclusion, but only if you believe the witness account as fact.

If the witness account is not believed, where would you suggest searching?

Do you know if the topography in Parsons, TN is cavernous?

TIA

This is moo obviously, but I believe the witness account as fact. I haven't found much to indicate otherwise, besides a bunch of really bad reporting, and a witness who I believe was completely befuzzled (not uncommon).

There are caves in the area.

If the witness account is not to be believed...well, I can't imagine how Holly would not have been found in relatively short order. The time frame is so tight...I just don't see the huge conspiracy that would be necessary to have her within a 20 min radius, on foot or ATV.

In a vehicle capable of traveling at higher speeds... well, I agree with the mile-a-minute.

Oriah
01-24-2012, 09:24 AM
Snipped by me.

This is a good point Oriah, something I glanced over but never gave much thought.

Swan Johnson Rd, Myracle Town Rd, 5 Forks Rd along with most roads in the area are rather narrow.

Where I live, police cruisers have dashboard cameras (many have exterior cameras, front and back) that automatically record as soon as an officer turns on their lights and siren (code 3, meaning lights and sirens needed, fast emergency response).

I would imagine that, when the police did find out that a man lead Holly Bobo into the woods along with Clint's call that blood was found, all police cruisers in the area would be dispatched code 3 to the Bobo residence, possibly video taping a suspect's car leave the area as they enter it.

Even if it didn't film the suspect's car, it might be helpful to follow up and interview the people who drove those cars to find out if they saw anything out of the ordinary on or near those roads.

Does anyone know if the local police vehicles have this capability?

Thoughts from people that have read far more case files than I have?

Idk- but if I had to guess, I'd say a rural department such as Darden/Parsons/the SO's probably only have a few dashboard cams on certain vehicles because they're kind of expensive.
But it sure wouldn't hurt to ask, I think. 1st responder vehicles may have gotten lucky, and someone might remember something. Good idea.

Oriah
01-24-2012, 09:29 AM
I'm not sure why you would ask for a link to something prefaced as my opinion. It's my opinion based on the many things I've read about the case, there is no link to it.

My bad- read through quickly and didn't realize that you were stating only your opinion of what LE thought.
I was looking for a link to a statement from LE, that represented that as the LE opinion. It doesn't seem that LE has that opinion to me- so that's why I was confused.

Fishee
01-24-2012, 12:54 PM
I'm not sure why you would ask for a link to something prefaced as my opinion. It's my opinion based on the many things I've read about the case, there is no link to it.

I could see why - I was thinking the same thing as Oriah. You said IMO but you seemed to be alluding to something.

~n/t~
01-24-2012, 01:11 PM
Didn't LE later on say she may have been taken away by vehicle? Or maybe it was her dad that said it. If that's the case, where would a local take her to possibly rape and murder her and why the need for a vehicle when they could've just dumped her body? Was it because it was planned? Was it because the perp panicked and took her to his parked car? Or it's not a local?

Any other thoughts?

wishuwerehere
01-24-2012, 01:31 PM
This is moo obviously, but I believe the witness account as fact. I haven't found much to indicate otherwise, besides a bunch of really bad reporting, and a witness who I believe was completely befuzzled (not uncommon).

There are caves in the area.

If the witness account is not to be believed...well, I can't imagine how Holly would not have been found in relatively short order. The time frame is so tight...I just don't see the huge conspiracy that would be necessary to have her within a 20 min radius, on foot or ATV.

In a vehicle capable of traveling at higher speeds... well, I agree with the mile-a-minute.

Thanks for answering my post. IMO if we take away all of the excuses for Clint, i.e. bad reporting, and befuzzled, what are we left with – someone who was the last person known to be seen with Holly and now Holly is missing. Blood was found. (This could indicate she was killed right there.) I can’t ignore these facts.

Also, imo 20 minutes is a decent amount of time “to take care of matters” if you know where you’re going. It’s very possible Holly is at the bottom of a cavern somewhere close to her home. Or another possibility is that Holly was “missed” when searching originally. As in the Sharon West case, searchers and dogs were near her body but didn’t find her the first time around.

As far as a “huge conspiracy” is concerned, if Clint is lying, well, there’s your conspiracy. People lie. It’s not a stretch to accept that. IMO.

When Lacy Peterson went missing initially and the public was pointing the finger at Scott Peterson was that a conspiracy? Once Lacy and Conner’s bodies were found in the Bay, it wasn’t a conspiracy any longer. And Scott Peterson was known to everyone as a “nice guy.” Unfortunately for us, many monsters out there wear “nice guy” masks.

If Holly is at the bottom of a cavern, I do not believe she will ever be found. And as I am seeing more and more with missing persons cases, “No body, No case.”

To be honest, my biggest problem with pointing the finger at Clint is motive. Not much info about Clint has been released to the public. So, we wait, and hopefully LE does more searches for Holly.

jmo

Frogzilla
01-24-2012, 04:25 PM
I think all we have to go on in this case is a murky story, an unreliable witness, an uncooperative LE agency and then plenty of innuendos and biases to guide us in this case. If you really break down some of the ideas presented in CB's account, then it becomes hard to not see this as somebody with intimate knowledge of the Bobo family and their property being the abductor. Whether the abductor was a local or not, they had the knowledge any local would. There are far too many coincidences in all of the accounts given to not feel this was an inside job of sorts. The time spent(10+ minutes) out by the garage before casually walking away towards the woods, CB's unwavering description of the perp which is not in the ballpark of DS (who he believed was camo man originally), the hunting fiasco that seemingly needed to be immediately resolved while everyone involved was getting ready for school/work or at work already and preceded HB being abducted by a matter of minutes (took 6 months for this account of that morning to be made public and it was seemingly to help clear DS of suspicions, which IMO it only raises more questions.) IMO there was already much confusion during that morning before CB even wakes up and I don't think it is a stretch to assume that KB may have put some of her own confusions onto CB while he is witnessing the abduction, causing him to second guess and/or react slowly. Of course if CB just walks out to the garage to ask what's up, this story would be much different for better or worse.
The evidence being found over a two week time, scattered around the local area, some being found because of phoned tips, and if this was dumped during the commission of the abduction, then the abductor was joy riding around taking a very circuitous route wherever they were going.
I still cannot quite figure out this whole hunting fiasco with DS and his father on grandma Bobo's property where they were not recognized by others members of the Bobo family. I know that LE has all this info and if there were something eye popping about it, LE would be all over it, but that doesn't mean there isn't something there to pick up on. It seemed to me this tidbit was prefaced to the effect that it clears DS of being the abductor when it actually does not clear him of any involvement within the content of article. Is there something to the idea that CB and DS are said to not be considered suspects when there is not any information provided to actually clear them, but we are told and given half accounts by the family that they are cleared? Does the info that clears them implicate somebody else or is this just not to give any more information then they have to? It is one thing to protect an investigation, it is another thing to hold a seemingly innocent victim's life hostage(CB) by presenting him as dim witted and completely unreliable. I guess there is some irony in CB saying camo man was DS and then LE contradicting CB's eye witness account by saying she was forcibly removed when CB says they casually walked away. Nobody is on the same page here and CB takes the brunt of it. IMO I cannot imagine a scenario where I would ever allow my name to be smeared to anyone and everyone. Either I thought something was wrong and I would intervene or I didn't think anything was wrong and I would go on about my life. Either way I tell it like it is and I wouldn't make excuses one way or the other. This case is ALL excuses and no facts. No info is prefaced or given backdrop, it is just tossed into the air like a ball and wherever it lands, it lands.
And as we have went over this many times before, there could be a very simple version to this story, instead we have been dragged along given little tidbits of uncorroborated information that even the most benefit of the doubt giving person would have to take pause at.
Lastly, I just wanted to throw a few random questions out relating to DS and hunting that morning. If CB actually believed camo man is DS, then I would first ask is it common for DS to come hunt around the Bobo home but park somewhere else in the neighborhood? If there was somewhere else to park, was this common knowledge to the locals since the Bobo property adjoins the state park? Was it common for them to allow friendlies to hunt in and around their property? If DS hunts around the home and when he gets a turkey, is it common for him to carry it back to the home or would he put it in his vehicle and drive it over? Has DS ever come to the home at 7:30 on a Wednesday morning to show HB a turkey before, or any morning for that matter? Has he ever seen DS carry a turkey to the home and leave it in the garage as he walked back into the woods? If CB has never seen any of these things and it is the first things he assumes, then something is very wrong.

Carla Lashelle
01-24-2012, 04:31 PM
[quote=nosyone;7536422]

In a paraglider even with the help of a good wind you are not in the air very long. It seems a small
plane or helicopter using a high resolution camera would be the best solution. A grid could be
mapped out using GPS.

Its not like a parasail or hang glider. They are ultralight type aircraft with a gas motor and propeller.

http://www.notesbit.com/download/media/images/space/motorized_paraglider_full.jpg

MizStery
01-24-2012, 07:02 PM
[quote=MizStery;7536547]

Its not like a parasail or hang glider. They are ultralight type aircraft with a gas motor and propeller.

http://www.notesbit.com/download/media/images/space/motorized_paraglider_full.jpg


This is from WIKI
The governing regulation in the United States is FAR 103 Ultralight Vehicles, which specifies a
powered "ultralight" as a single seat vehicle of less than 5 US gallons (19 L) fuel capacity, empty weight of less than 254 pounds (115*kg), a top speed of 55 knots (102*km/h or 64*mph), and a maximum stall speed not exceeding 24 knots (45*km/h or 27.6*mph).

It is not clear to me if the pilot is able to hold a camera and take photo's in the "ultralight". If
indeed.... the vehicle can be navigated while the pilot is taking pictures then hopefully that is what
the "ulralight" was doing. If not then I would think a small plane taking ariel photo's might be the
most useful tool in surveillance ...not nearly as good as a ground search but still better
than doing nothing.

We have an eye witness who has only a fuzzy recollection of the chronological events leading to his sisters abduction. Your either sympathetic as to his state of mind or think there is conscience effort exerted to keep the story shrouded in vagueness. Another mystery is why he calls umpteen times to ask what to do about the perp .....when it is clear he believes it is DS. CB has absolutly no intention of listening or acting on any of the phone conversations right up to and including the command to get a gun pursue HB. To what end does he maintain the charade of 'but I knew it was DS and HB. So it must have been the cell phone calls were to cobble together or anchor the timeline. Now, the scream really was a problem ...how do you explain not hearing a screen coming from your house? More garbled explanations. Finally,I kind of wonder if CB already knows it is HB with DS why isn't he working on his paper? Isn't that the reason he isn't out hunting that morning? More obfuscation. :waitasec:


Is there a way out of this circular logic? I know your sick of my hope that a
Grand Jury will be convined. But, until people are interviewed individually and answer questions & all of this information is compiled into a logical timeline it seems we spend time either
overcompensating or suspicious of all the glaring inconsistencies in CB's timeline. We are stuck with a witness that is a lightening rod of contradictions. MOO


Thanks to Frogzilla for your well thought out post. :seeya:

nosyone
01-24-2012, 07:24 PM
I think all we have to go on in this case is a murky story, an unreliable witness, an uncooperative LE agency and then plenty of innuendos and biases to guide us in this case. If you really break down some of the ideas presented in CB's account, then it becomes hard to not see this as somebody with intimate knowledge of the Bobo family and their property being the abductor. Whether the abductor was a local or not, they had the knowledge any local would. There are far too many coincidences in all of the accounts given to not feel this was an inside job of sorts. The time spent(10+ minutes) out by the garage before casually walking away towards the woods, CB's unwavering description of the perp which is not in the ballpark of DS (who he believed was camo man originally), the hunting fiasco that seemingly needed to be immediately resolved while everyone involved was getting ready for school/work or at work already and preceded HB being abducted by a matter of minutes (took 6 months for this account of that morning to be made public and it was seemingly to help clear DS of suspicions, which IMO it only raises more questions.) IMO there was already much confusion during that morning before CB even wakes up and I don't think it is a stretch to assume that KB may have put some of her own confusions onto CB while he is witnessing the abduction, causing him to second guess and/or react slowly. Of course if CB just walks out to the garage to ask what's up, this story would be much different for better or worse.
The evidence being found over a two week time, scattered around the local area, some being found because of phoned tips, and if this was dumped during the commission of the abduction, then the abductor was joy riding around taking a very circuitous route wherever they were going.
I still cannot quite figure out this whole hunting fiasco with DS and his father on grandma Bobo's property where they were not recognized by others members of the Bobo family. I know that LE has all this info and if there were something eye popping about it, LE would be all over it, but that doesn't mean there isn't something there to pick up on. It seemed to me this tidbit was prefaced to the effect that it clears DS of being the abductor when it actually does not clear him of any involvement within the content of article. Is there something to the idea that CB and DS are said to not be considered suspects when there is not any information provided to actually clear them, but we are told and given half accounts by the family that they are cleared? Does the info that clears them implicate somebody else or is this just not to give any more information then they have to? It is one thing to protect an investigation, it is another thing to hold a seemingly innocent victim's life hostage(CB) by presenting him as dim witted and completely unreliable. I guess there is some irony in CB saying camo man was DS and then LE contradicting CB's eye witness account by saying she was forcibly removed when CB says they casually walked away. Nobody is on the same page here and CB takes the brunt of it. IMO I cannot imagine a scenario where I would ever allow my name to be smeared to anyone and everyone. Either I thought something was wrong and I would intervene or I didn't think anything was wrong and I would go on about my life. Either way I tell it like it is and I wouldn't make excuses one way or the other. This case is ALL excuses and no facts. No info is prefaced or given backdrop, it is just tossed into the air like a ball and wherever it lands, it lands.
And as we have went over this many times before, there could be a very simple version to this story, instead we have been dragged along given little tidbits of uncorroborated information that even the most benefit of the doubt giving person would have to take pause at.
Lastly, I just wanted to throw a few random questions out relating to DS and hunting that morning. If CB actually believed camo man is DS, then I would first ask is it common for DS to come hunt around the Bobo home but park somewhere else in the neighborhood? If there was somewhere else to park, was this common knowledge to the locals since the Bobo property adjoins the state park? Was it common for them to allow friendlies to hunt in and around their property? If DS hunts around the home and when he gets a turkey, is it common for him to carry it back to the home or would he put it in his vehicle and drive it over? Has DS ever come to the home at 7:30 on a Wednesday morning to show HB a turkey before, or any morning for that matter? Has he ever seen DS carry a turkey to the home and leave it in the garage as he walked back into the woods? If CB has never seen any of these things and it is the first things he assumes, then something is very wrong.


You make such a good point that I hadn't really thought about. Clint was so sure it was DS that it really didn't dawn on him that something was wrong, but yet his description of the suspect wasn't anything like DS's stature. That is weird!:banghead:

cfreyja23
01-24-2012, 07:38 PM
My bad- read through quickly and didn't realize that you were stating only your opinion of what LE thought.
I was looking for a link to a statement from LE, that represented that as the LE opinion. It doesn't seem that LE has that opinion to me- so that's why I was confused.

No worries :). Looking back at my comment, I can see how writing "IMO", then parentheses, then my opinion, made it look like I was stating a fact. My opinion is actually based on many of the comments the locals made months ago, which I just read over again the other day. They posted about what they had observed LE do and what they talked to their neighbors about. I wasn't alluding to anything and claim no special knowledge, except that I am familiar with probable cause in my profession.

Yoda
01-24-2012, 07:42 PM
I agree Frogzilla. why cant Clint clear up what happened? Maybe he freezes, gets flustered, is too emotional, but it would be very easy for him to write out, with LE approval, the correct details. How is him clarifying what happened going to hurt finding Holly? I don't think he is keeping quiet because he doesn't want people to criticize him for the different stories- that boat has sailed and it now in the Bermuda Triangle! I can guarantee people will still be doubtful of his clarification, but it can only help if just by bringing attention to Holly's story. That leaves me also thinking this case's solution is very, very close to home.

cfreyja23
01-24-2012, 07:45 PM
I could see why - I was thinking the same thing as Oriah. You said IMO but you seemed to be alluding to something.

I have no special information about this case, other than the same things everyone else here has read, which includes posts made by verified locals. I'd be happy to point out which one of their comments lead to my opinion, I just didn't think anyone would be interested in my going into detail. As with every WS member's opinion, mine is based on a collection of information here and whatever specialized knowledge I have in my own brain. I'm so accustomed to reading everyone else's opinions on WS without questioning why they think that, that I didn't think it would be a problem to express my own.

liltexans
01-24-2012, 08:01 PM
I agree Frogzilla. why cant Clint clear up what happened? Maybe he freezes, gets flustered, is too emotional, but it would be very easy for him to write out, with LE approval, the correct details. How is him clarifying what happened going to hurt finding Holly? I don't think he is keeping quiet because he doesn't want people to criticize him for the different stories- that boat has sailed and it now in the Bermuda Triangle! I can guarantee people will still be doubtful of his clarification, but it can only help if just by bringing attention to Holly's story. That leaves me also thinking this case's solution is very, very close to home.

Just my opinion, but I think the key words in your post are "with LE approval". I think from the moment Holly disappeared, the Bobos have been speaking out almost exclusively only "with LE approval". Since I have little to no faith in LE in this particular case, I think the Bobos have allowed themselves to be put at a great disadvantage in terms of clearing up the facts surrounding what Clint did or did not see and what can be done now to locate Holly.

Janeumayer
01-24-2012, 08:05 PM
I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10007417.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Looking through the pics I've noticed that in some, the boyfriend is not smiling. Could there have been trouble bet. them?

Also, picture #49, Holly is frowning and it looks like she has a bruise on her left cheek?

Maybe it's my imagination but we do know that her boyfriend was there that morning, per her mom.

Maybe they had a fight and he left only to return later and took Holly with him? Holly's brother did say that the "abductor" looked like her boyfriend.... MOO

nosyone
01-24-2012, 08:29 PM
I have no special information about this case, other than the same things everyone else here has read, which includes posts made by verified locals. I'd be happy to point out which one of their comments lead to my opinion, I just didn't think anyone would be interested in my going into detail. As with every WS member's opinion, mine is based on a collection of information here and whatever specialized knowledge I have in my own brain. I'm so accustomed to reading everyone else's opinions on WS without questioning why they think that, that I didn't think it would be a problem to express my own.


I will be very interested in reading your opinions!

Carla Lashelle
01-24-2012, 08:36 PM
Looking through the pics I've noticed that in some, the boyfriend is not smiling. Could there have been trouble bet. them?

Also, picture #49, Holly is frowning and it looks like she has a bruise on her left cheek?

Maybe it's my imagination but we do know that her boyfriend was there that morning, per her mom.

Maybe they had a fight and he left only to return later and took Holly with him? Holly's brother did say that the "abductor" looked like her boyfriend.... MOO

There is no known fight. Drew was not at the house that morning. Holly's mom never said anything about Drew being at the house... he was across the county that morning hunting on a relatives property.

Janeumayer
01-24-2012, 11:56 PM
There is no known fight. Drew was not at the house that morning. Holly's mom never said anything about Drew being at the house... he was across the county that morning hunting on a relatives property.

My mistake on Drew being there earlier that morning. But he did get to his work at 8am. Does anyone know where he works in relation to Holly's house?

Carla Lashelle
01-25-2012, 09:26 AM
My mistake on Drew being there earlier that morning. But he did get to his work at 8am. Does anyone know where he works in relation to Holly's house?

I don't know but based on Drew huntung across the county at 7:30-8:00 AM I know he most likely was not anywhere near Holly's house at 7:45 when she disappeared.

~n/t~
01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
Actually, neither was Karen and she got there according to the latest time line at 8 am and IIRC, it's a 20 minute or so drive.

cluciano63
01-25-2012, 04:37 PM
Checking in on this case all the time makes me feel more and more foolish as time passes...the info we have doesn't make sense, IMO, and no one is trying to clear anything up at all. Seems like we all put more thought into sometimes, than those who should be concerned about the various discrepencies, etc...talk about going in circles. JMO

RTC
01-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Well this case does seem odd, but no way her bro could be involved. there isnt enough time. So his story stands with me. Holly cell phone records show she was talking before leaving at 7:40 or so. Mom was home by 8am so how could family be involved? IMHO i rule this option out.
Boyfriend was too far, IMHO this was a stalker abduction scenario. HB is beautiful. what is strange is the walk away into woods. Why wouldnt he take HB car and high tail it out of there? he is too brazen, too sure of himself.he must have had a car close or lived close, maybe a getaway driver?

JeannieC
01-26-2012, 11:14 PM
Well this case does seem odd, but no way her bro could be involved. there isnt enough time. So his story stands with me. Holly cell phone records show she was talking before leaving at 7:40 or so. Mom was home by 8am so how could family be involved? IMHO i rule this option out.
Boyfriend was too far, IMHO this was a stalker abduction scenario. HB is beautiful. what is strange is the walk away into woods. Why wouldnt he take HB car and high tail it out of there? he is too brazen, too sure of himself.he must have had a car close or lived close, maybe a getaway driver?

I agree with all that you have stated. I think he had a car or vehicle hidden and taking her into the woods made it less obvious to neighbors who weren't able to see them in the woods but would see them on the road. jmo

~n/t~
01-27-2012, 05:58 AM
I agree with all that you have stated. I think he had a car or vehicle hidden and taking her into the woods made it less obvious to neighbors who weren't able to see them in the woods but would see them on the road. jmo

It would've taken him/her less time to grab Holly and push her into a car and high tailing it in less than a minute than kneeling over in the car port, talking to her and then casually walking into the woods to a vehicle and risking getting caught.

If this was a stranger abduction, unlike what some believe that he was brazen and too sure of himself, I think he/she was pretty stupid. But then again, he/she succeeded so........

MizStery
01-28-2012, 05:05 AM
I have been reading various transcripts of interviews and articles on this abduction. I have a few questions?

I imagine if I am Holly leaving to go take a test and it is a a cool morning in April.... I would carry a jacket even if I didn't want to take time to put it on right then. Next,I would gab my cell phone,lunch bucket,makeup bag,purse or wallet stuff those in my backpack along with my text and note's. The last thing I would grab before i went out the door would be my keys and coke. I assume it is at this point ...just as she walks out the door wearing her backpack with her arm's loaded down with a jacket ...a coke in one hand and keys in the other that she is surprised by the perp.

I also wonder if it was established if the money DB had left HB for gas was still on the counter or not?

At the crime scene her coke can and her blood are found outside her car. Had
she opened her car door and at that moment been assaulted & then dropped her coke.Were her keys ever found? If the perp has injured her and is desperate to spirit her away to the logging road...why would he stall around while she locates her lunch bucket and cell most likely in her backpack. That must be a first a kidnapper who injures his victim but is thougtful enough to allow them time to locate their lunch bucket and cell to bring along. :waitasec:

:help:

concentric
01-28-2012, 07:24 AM
I have been reading various transcripts of interviews and articles on this abduction. I have a few questions?

I imagine if I am Holly leaving to go take a test and it is a a cool morning in April.... I would carry a jacket even if I didn't want to take time to put it on right then. Next,I would gab my cell phone,lunch bucket,makeup bag,purse or wallet stuff those in my backpack along with my text and note's. The last thing I would grab before i went out the door would be my keys and coke. I assume it is at this point ...just as she walks out the door wearing her backpack with her arm's loaded down with a jacket ...a coke in one hand and keys in the other that she is surprised by the perp.

I also wonder if it was established if the money DB had left HB for gas was still on the counter or not?

At the crime scene her coke can and her blood are found outside her car. Had
she opened her car door and at that moment been assaulted & then dropped her coke.Were her keys ever found? If the perp has injured her and is desperate to spirit her away to the logging road...why would he stall around while she locates her lunch bucket and cell most likely in her backpack. That must be a first a kidnapper who injures his victim but is thougtful enough to allow them time to locate their lunch bucket and cell to bring along. :waitasec:

:help:
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JMO. I posted this numerous times in prior threads. I still think that the object Clint thought he saw between the two figures in the carport, wasn't a turkey, but a backpack or duffel bag. And the perp. wanted as much of her stuff as possible put into it, to remove evidence from the scene. He probably forced her to place it into the bag.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 07:31 AM
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JMO. I posted this numerous times in prior threads. I still think that the object Clint thought he saw between the two figures in the carport, wasn't a turkey, but a backpack or duffel bag. And the perp. wanted as much of her stuff as possible put into it, to remove evidence from the scene. He probably forced her to place it into the bag.

I don't recall Clint mentioning he saw anything in between the two figures. He assumed it was Drew and Holly kneeling over a turkey but he didn't see anything except the two silhouettes kneeling.

TxLady2
01-28-2012, 07:42 AM
Has it been confirmed that she carried a backpack? Maybe she just carried a small wallet and tucked it and the cellphone in her jeans. Or she could have already tossed it into her car and only had her lunch box in her hands when the abductor grabbed her.

Was she studying to be a registered nurse? Or just a vocational nurse? If the latter, she would not have had to carry a lot of textbooks around. IIRC, they only used one big textbook. The course is only a year or less, (I think it used to be just 6 months here in Texas, I would have to look it up) and the last several weeks are spent doing the practical part, in hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc. No need for a textbook, because they do nothing but observe and take notes.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 07:49 AM
On January 23rd. someone asked WD if there was any news and she replied no news. :sigh:

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/whitneyduncan?sk=wall

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 07:55 AM
Has it been confirmed that she carried a backpack? Maybe she just carried a small wallet and tucked it and the cellphone in her jeans. Or she could have already tossed it into her car and only had her lunch box in her hands when the abductor grabbed her.

Was she studying to be a registered nurse? Or just a vocational nurse? If the latter, she would not have had to carry a lot of textbooks around. IIRC, they only used one big textbook. The course is only a year or less, (I think it used to be just 6 months here in Texas, I would have to look it up) and the last several weeks are spent doing the practical part, in hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc. No need for a textbook, because they do nothing but observe and take notes.

I don't think it was ever revealed what she was carrying. Only after they found the lunch bag/box is when we discovered she had one and IIRC that's when KB said she made Holly's lunch that morning.

I'll say IMO because I don't have time to weed through links right now.

But you do make a good point regarding what may have been found in the car, if anything. I wonder if she had the time to put items in her car before she was taken? What about her keys? I wonder if they were found.

concentric
01-28-2012, 08:05 AM
I don't recall Clint mentioning he saw anything in between the two figures. He assumed it was Drew and Holly kneeling over a turkey but he didn't see anything except the two silhouettes kneeling.

I think you are right. And I stand corrected. I can't find any article that says Clint saw an object.

Seemingly, he makes a huge leap based upon the hunting/camo clothing.

I would figure that if you claim to see a turkey or any object, it would have been "a shape" you discerned between the two people.

No one in the media has clarified this with the witness.

No one in the media has clarified the difference between the garage and the carport.

No wonder she isn't found.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 08:31 AM
I think you are right. And I stand corrected. I can't find any article that says Clint saw an object.

Seemingly, he makes a huge leap based upon the hunting/camo clothing.

I would figure that if you claim to see a turkey or any object, it would have been "a shape" you discerned between the two people.

No one in the media has clarified this with the witness.

No one in the media has clarified the difference between the garage and the carport.

No wonder she isn't found.

I think Jane Velez Mitchell tried to clarify the car port/garage by asking Clint if Holly and the perp were inside or outside. Clint said outside. It was still very confusing though because Clint refers to it as a garage.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 08:34 AM
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, now, ok, is the garage attached to the house or is it a separate, detached garage?

C. BOBO: It`s attached to the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is attached to the house.

C. BOBO: Right.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

Clear as mud, eh? lol

concentric
01-28-2012, 08:38 AM
I think Jane Velez Mitchell tried to clarify the car port/garage by asking Clint if Holly and the perp were inside or outside. Clint said outside. It was still very confusing though because Clint refers to it as a garage.

I watched that interview, several times. Why didn't JVM clear it up, then?

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 08:57 AM
I watched that interview, several times. Why didn't JVM clear it up, then?

Time? There's only so much she can talk about a garage/carport. She had Dana and Karen there also so I guess she wanted to get to them before time ran out.

Wish she would have a follow up interview to clarify some of the details. Well, if not JVM someone should because the details still remain sketchy to say the least.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 09:05 AM
At the end of that segment JVM said they were going to call LE. I wonder if HLN ever did and if they got any response from them. I don't think there were any other interviews by JVM or NG after that show.

Fishee
01-28-2012, 11:40 AM
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.


Wait. He sees them in the garage then calls his mom, then looks back out and sees them going into the woods...?


Clear as mud, eh? lol


No chit.

wfgodot
01-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Rather opaque, this whole business, yeah? Rum.

Hippy Chick
01-28-2012, 12:37 PM
i have watched that interview several times and JVM did try to get the info but it was like questioning a small child. That was a strange interview to say the least. The way Karen kept looking at him she was on pins and needles, then after break Dana gone and creepy smiling minister there just strange. IMO

cluciano63
01-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Here we go again, back to square one and around in circles...and it always comes back to Clint's story, because that's all there is.

Carla Lashelle
01-28-2012, 01:14 PM
I think Jane Velez Mitchell tried to clarify the car port/garage by asking Clint if Holly and the perp were inside or outside. Clint said outside. It was still very confusing though because Clint refers to it as a garage.

Clint did NOT say outside. He said they were in the garage and that the garage was attached to the house. JVM had asked him about looking outside or looking out a window and he clarified that the garage was not removed from the house. As per discussions here going wayyyyyyyy back with locals, the garage is enclosed and not used as a car garage or carport.

MizStery
01-28-2012, 01:49 PM
Thanks,to all for your input.

I have to organize events in a linear way. So I am going to sequence Holly gathering her belongings and summarize events up to walking toward the logging road. There is a reason I do this and will explain later. *

Holly is preparing to leave she picks up her cell places it in her jeans pocket. *She puts her wallet in the other pocket. She carries her coke in one hand and holds her keys and lunch bucket in the other. We will not speculate how she open or shuts the house door. She walks toward her car at this point she shifts the coke can to the hand holding the lunch bucket to open the door with her
free hand. *The perp assaults and wounds her there. *She drops her coke can but manages to hold
onto the lunch box. Perhaps her keys are still in the car door. *Injured but able to walk they are last seen heading toward the logging
road ...Holly still clutching the lunch box.

Now I will explain why I feel the logging road is significant. An otherwise vague man of few words CB wants Velez-Mitchell to know that the woods where he last saw Holly leads to a *logging road.
It is further up the road approx. 8 miles the lunch box is later found. Now,the perp being a wily sort and a risk taker taunts LE by leaving a clear trail as to how and where he has
abducted Holly. Do I have it right? :confused:MOO

Transcript*
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But they`re not talking to you?*

K. BOBO:*Yes, they -- they talk to us, it`s just they can`t share any information pretty much about the case, as long as the case is ongoing. I
know they`re working hard, but, of course, to a mom, it`s not hard enough because nearly four months into it, we still don`t have Holly.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did the blood trail lead anywhere

K. BOBO: No.*

C. BOBO:*The trail in the woods leads to a logging road.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a logging road, is that what you said?*

C. BOBO: Right.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up. What do you make of that, Karen? What do you make of the lunch pail showing up eight miles away from the home? That`s a long distance to walk, that would have to involve some kind of vehicle, I would think. Do they have any vehicle they`re looking for, Karen?*

K. BOBO:*As far as I know, if they do, I`m not sure what kind of vehicle that is. But, yes, I do believe a vehicle was involved.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you would think that where they found the lunch pail, they would have some kind of tire tracks or something. What about -- her cell phone was left at home?*

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 02:08 PM
Clint did NOT say outside. He said they were in the garage and that the garage was attached to the house. JVM had asked him about looking outside or looking out a window and he clarified that the garage was not removed from the house. As per discussions here going wayyyyyyyy back with locals, the garage is enclosed and not used as a car garage or carport.

Carla, you can interpret it the way you want. This is what he said.

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

I think the garage he refers to is what I consider a carport. Yes, I realize we had this discussion wayyyyyy back but some are new to this case and/or may have missed some of the info.

reference to discussion. I pointed out on this thread what I consider a carport versus a garage

TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26 - Page 33 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 02:11 PM
Thanks,to all for your input.

I have to organize events in a linear way. So I am going to sequence Holly gathering her belongings and summarize events up to walking toward the logging road. There is a reason I do this and will explain later. *

Holly is preparing to leave she picks up her cell places it in her jeans pocket. *She puts her wallet in the other pocket. She carries her coke in one hand and holds her keys and lunch bucket in the other. We will not speculate how she open or shuts the house door. She walks toward her car at this point she shifts the coke can to the hand holding the lunch bucket to open the door with her free hand. *The perp assaults and wounds her there. *She drops her coke can but manages to hold
onto the lunch box. Perhaps her keys are still in the car door. *Injured but able to walk they are last seen heading toward the logging
road ...Holly still clutching the lunch box.

Now I will explain why I feel the logging road is significant. An otherwise vague man of few words CB wants Velez-Mitchell to know that the woods where he last saw Holly leads to a *logging road.
It is further up the road approx. 8 miles the lunch box is later found. Now,the perp being a wily sort and a risk taker taunts LE by leaving a clear trail as to how and where he has
abducted Holly. Do I have it right? :confused:

Transcript*
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But they`re not talking to you?*

K. BOBO:*Yes, they -- they talk to us, it`s just they can`t share any information pretty much about the case, as long as the case is ongoing. I
know they`re working hard, but, of course, to a mom, it`s not hard enough because nearly four months into it, we still don`t have Holly.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did the blood trail lead anywhere

K. BOBO: No.*

C. BOBO:*The trail in the woods leads to a logging road.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a logging road, is that what you said?*

C. BOBO: Right.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up. What do you make of that, Karen? What do you make of the lunch pail showing up eight miles away from the home? That`s a long distance to walk, that would have to involve some kind of vehicle, I would think. Do they have any vehicle they`re looking for, Karen?*

K. BOBO:*As far as I know, if they do, I`m not sure what kind of vehicle that is. But, yes, I do believe a vehicle was involved.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you would think that where they found the lunch pail, they would have some kind of tire tracks or something. What about -- her cell phone was left at home?*

The trail he refers to, in my opinion, is assumption on his part as to how the perp got Holly to the logging road. I do not believe that was ever confirmed. There was no blood trail as far as I know.

~n/t~
01-28-2012, 02:13 PM
Here we go again, back to square one and around in circles...and it always comes back to Clint's story, because that's all there is.

Yup...he was the only witness so we can only go by what he said he saw. LE is not releasing anything. :sigh:

MizStery
01-28-2012, 07:41 PM
The trail he refers to, in my opinion, is assumption on his part as to how the perp got Holly to the logging road. I do not believe that was ever confirmed. There was no blood trail as far as I know.



I thought it was out of character for CB to answer a question out of turn and a question directed to his mother. I felt he *wanted to change the subject from that of the blood trail ....kinda like saying 'look a squirrel'. Keeping it vague ....CB distracts Velez-Mitchell and makes sure it's understood that HB is 'very much alive.' Although HB may have been wounded & lost blood it was not a fatal or serious wound. The last glimpse CB has of her ..she is upright, mobile and
*walking unassisted *with her lunch bucket toward the trail next to her kidnapper. Implying the trail leads to the logging road where she will be spirited away. MOO

According to Velez-Mitchell a few miles on this same road..three days later her lunch bucket is found.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up.


Thanks ~n/t~ :Banane48:

Darcyline
01-28-2012, 09:06 PM
Did they ever do a recreation of what happened? I swear one was going to happen at one point and I may have missed discussion of it here?

Woe.be.gone
01-28-2012, 10:15 PM
If the dad left lunch money on the counter for Holly, why did KB pack a lunch for Holly?
Wasn't Holly of an age that she could pack her own lunch especially considering her mom had a fulltime job outside of the home?
That's not my point though - why pack a lunch when dad already left money on the counter? :waitasec:

Woe.be.gone
01-28-2012, 10:23 PM
How does one see into an attached garage from inside one's house?
CB claims the garage is attached to the house.
I've been under the impression that the garage was that carport that looks
to be in the back and to the right of the house if you're facing the front of the house with the circular drive in front of it.

If there is an attached garage it would be to the left of the front door.
How would CB be able to see into that garage from the inside of his house?

MizStery
01-28-2012, 10:36 PM
If the dad left lunch money on the counter for Holly, why did KB pack a lunch for Holly?
Wasn't Holly of an age that she could pack her own lunch especially considering her mom had a fulltime job outside of the home?
That's not my point though - why pack a lunch when dad already left money on the counter? :waitasec:

DB actually asked HB if she needed money for gas...
<snipped>
"A lot of mornings before I leave, I'll ask her if she needs any money to buy gas," Dana said. "It is about 5:30 I guess, when I usually leave to go to work, and I talked to her through the door. She said leave her some money, and I left the money on the bar at 5:30 or 25 until 6, and that was the last I talked to her."
<snipped>
http://www.jacksonsun.com (the actual article link did not work)

Woe.be.gone
01-28-2012, 10:58 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-police-make-significant-find-hunt/story?id=13448569

Why does Bromley, family spokesman, keep referring to 'the tragedy; the tragedy itself'. What is 'the tragedy' that he's referring to already?

Is it common to call a kidnapping a tragedy prior to knowing if the person will be found any minute now?

Simply Caustic
01-28-2012, 11:48 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-police-make-significant-find-hunt/story?id=13448569

Why does Bromley, family spokesman, keep referring to 'the tragedy; the tragedy itself'. What is 'the tragedy' that he's referring to already?

Is it common to call a kidnapping a tragedy prior to knowing if the person will be found any minute now?

In my humble opinion, it IS a tragedy simply to be kidnapped, regardless of the outcome. Furthermore, the circumstances being what they are.....would definitely make me think a good outcome was unlikely. Just my two cents.

MizStery
01-29-2012, 12:06 AM
How does one see into an attached garage from inside one's house?
CB claims the garage is attached to the house.
I've been under the impression that the garage was that carport that looks
to be in the back and to the right of the house if you're facing the front of the house with the circular drive in front of it.

If there is an attached garage it would be to the left of the front door.
How would CB be able to see into that garage from the inside of his house?

I believe this is from the "Jackson Sun" newspaper.
This describes the relationship of where the blood by the car is in relation to the house.~n/t~ on
the previous page of the thread has the transcript from Valez-Mitchell interview where she asks CB about that.

Clint described the man as wearing a noninsulating type of camouflage a turkey hunter might wear and said that he could not see the man's face or hands. He believes he might have been wearing gloves and a cap. He said both Holly and the man had their backs turned to him. Clint told investigators the man was between 5 feet 8 inches and 6 feet tall and weighed around 200 pounds.

Karen said she told Clint to get a gun and go after the man. She hung up to call 911 again and reached Decatur County. She still had not told Clint about Drew being on the other side of the county, and Clint said he still believed the man to be Holly's boyfriend.


Clint got a loaded pistol, walked out of the back door and went through an open garage attached to the house. That's when he saw a puddle of blood near Holly's car.

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said. "I thought, 'He's killed a turkey up here on this trail behind the house and brought it to the house to show Holly before she goes to school.'"

"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams."

katydid23
01-29-2012, 12:19 AM
Clint got a loaded pistol, walked out of the back door and went through an open garage attached to the house. That's when he saw a puddle of blood near Holly's car.

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said
==================================================

Why did he load a gun and run outside if he was not alarmed? And if he ran outside with a loaded gun, then why not chase his sister and the man in camo?

cluciano63
01-29-2012, 12:25 AM
Clint got a loaded pistol, walked out of the back door and went through an open garage attached to the house. That's when he saw a puddle of blood near Holly's car.

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said
==================================================

Why did he load a gun and run outside if he was not alarmed? And if he ran outside with a loaded gun, then why not chase his sister and the man in camo?

Not to be snarky, but didn't his mom tell him to? (get the gun, I mean.)

katydid23
01-29-2012, 12:49 AM
Not to be snarky, but didn't his mom tell him to? (get the gun, I mean.)

I think she may have, but she also told him it was urgent that he go look for his sister because it was not Clint she was with. So it seems that she tried to tell him to go and help her quickly. He took a loaded gun with him, but did not go after her.

MizStery
01-29-2012, 02:42 AM
I brought this over from thread #30 post 285 it is by Mr. Noatac. It is the last paragraph only from post 285.
It has occurred to me that the police may have recovered skin cell DNA from the "significant items" that were found, but cannot get a match from those whom they have tested. It has also occurred to me that the police may be waiting to see if the bill to allow familial DNA in Tennessee passes and becomes law on Jan. 1, 2012. This is a big deal. With familial DNA, even if you cannot get a direct match, you may discover a near-match from a relative who has previously committed a serious crime. You can then go and monitor or question family members, to identify other black sheep relatives. This is a VERY POWERFUL investigative tool.

If Mr. Noatac still reads this forum perhaps he could update us on this law. I hope Mr. Noatac does not mind me reposting it.

Hippy Chick
01-29-2012, 04:28 AM
If the dad left lunch money on the counter for Holly, why did KB pack a lunch for Holly?
Wasn't Holly of an age that she could pack her own lunch especially considering her mom had a fulltime job outside of the home?
That's not my point though - why pack a lunch when dad already left money on the counter? :waitasec:

I think it was gas money he left her...

~n/t~
01-29-2012, 06:50 AM
Did they ever do a recreation of what happened? I swear one was going to happen at one point and I may have missed discussion of it here?

TC was the one who posted on his fb that he was going to recreate the crime scene. Well......we know what happened to him so it's safe to say none took place or ever will by TC.

~n/t~
01-29-2012, 07:05 AM
I think she may have, but she also told him it was urgent that he go look for his sister because it was not Clint she was with. So it seems that she tried to tell him to go and help her quickly. He took a loaded gun with him, but did not go after her.

No he didn't nor did he call 911. He was convinced it was Drew.

BTW...just as a FYI.....the loaded gun revelation was posted months later in a Jackson Sun article sometime in October. Until then, the Bobos never mentioned a gun in any of the interviews.

Carla Lashelle
01-29-2012, 11:13 AM
How does one see into an attached garage from inside one's house?
CB claims the garage is attached to the house.
I've been under the impression that the garage was that carport that looks
to be in the back and to the right of the house if you're facing the front of the house with the circular drive in front of it.

If there is an attached garage it would be to the left of the front door.
How would CB be able to see into that garage from the inside of his house?

Well my house has an attached garage and there is a door into the garage from actually just inside the front door of the house. In the Bobo house it seems the garage has been walled in (no sliding doors for cars as you can obviously see in photos) but I am sure inside there is a door or even cut out.

All we know is that Clint said he saw silhouettes in the garage, which implies that it is dark. He says he looked into the garage. I assume through the doorway. Clint further said the blood was in the garage (which he did say was attached to the house) so the blood was not out in the yard somewhere.

Carla Lashelle
01-29-2012, 11:14 AM
Not to be snarky, but didn't his mom tell him to? (get the gun, I mean.)

Yes his mom told him to get the gun and go outside, which he did do, but he stopped to talk to the neighbor who was just coming over (after hearing the screams and calling 911). At that point Clint apparently decided that preserving the crime scene was better than going to look for his sister who he had just seen walk off into the woods... :banghead:

MizStery
01-29-2012, 10:20 PM
I brought this over from thread #30 post 285 it is by Mr. Noatac. It is the last paragraph only from post 285.
It has occurred to me that the police may have recovered skin cell DNA from the "significant items" that were found, but cannot get a match from those whom they have tested. It has also occurred to me that the police may be waiting to see if the bill to allow familial DNA in Tennessee passes and becomes law on Jan. 1, 2012. This is a big deal. With familial DNA, even if you cannot get a direct match, you may discover a near-match from a relative who has previously committed a serious crime. You can then go and monitor or question family members, to identify other black sheep relatives. This is a VERY POWERFUL investigative tool.
If Mr. Noatac still reads this forum perhaps he could update us on this law. I hope Mr. Noatac does
not mind me reposting it.

I apologize for quoting myself.... but I wanted to post what i was able to find about the status on HB 1823 which Mr. Noatac mentions in the above post. MOO


LINK http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=HB1823&ga=107
HB 1823 by *Lundberg. (*SB 0260 by *Ramsey.)
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation - As introduced, directs TBI to create policy and uniform procedures authorizing familial DNA searches in certain criminal investigations by January 1, 2012. - Amends TCA Title 38.

Fiscal Summary
Increase State Expenditures - $1,100/One-Time

Bill Summary
This bill defines "familial DNA search" as a search of the centralized system to cross-reference data
obtained from DNA analysis from a DNA profile taken from a crime scene for the purpose of determining if there is a biological relative of an individual for whom there is a DNA profile in the centralized system. This bill requires the TBI to establish a state policy and uniform procedures authorizing familial DNA searches in certain criminal investigations, which procedures must include appropriate safeguards to assure scientific accuracy and confidentiality during the
investigatory process.

I was only able to find this information on the TN gov website. Has anyone seen anything in the news papers if this passed?

Plumeria5
01-30-2012, 02:06 AM
Yes his mom told him to get the gun and go outside, which he did do, but he stopped to talk to the neighbor who was just coming over (after hearing the screams and calling 911). At that point Clint apparently decided that preserving the crime scene was better than going to look for his sister who he had just seen walk off into the woods... :banghead:

BBM I'm sorry but... WHO DOES THAT!!??? :banghead:

Diddy98
01-30-2012, 03:11 AM
Has anyone seen anything in the news papers if this passed?

I hace seen nothing in the papers in a long time about this bill. I did look it up and they haven't voted on it yet, in committee.

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB1823


I would copy the information but isn't cooperating with me.

Dewey2Me1MoThyme
01-30-2012, 03:20 AM
Let me see if I got this correctly. clint looks out and sees his sister and her BF (or so he thinks) together, thinks the BF shot a turkey, and doesn't utter one word to either of them.
I used to be an avid fly fisherman and if I saw my best friend and thought he'd been fishing, you can bet I'd want to see the catch of the day, and I'd at least give a shout to say hello or something.
As another poster previously stated, it all keeps coming back to CB, and that's about all we know. Why hasn't the mother come foreward to say how she knew HB was not with her BF and was in danger? She was obviously worried or she would not have told CB to go get a loaded pistol and she wouldn't have rushed home. somethings just don't add up no matter how you cut the cake.

~n/t~
01-30-2012, 04:44 AM
Let me see if I got this correctly. clint looks out and sees his sister and her BF (or so he thinks) together, thinks the BF shot a turkey, and doesn't utter one word to either of them.
I used to be an avid fly fisherman and if I saw my best friend and thought he'd been fishing, you can bet I'd want to see the catch of the day, and I'd at least give a shout to say hello or something.
As another poster previously stated, it all keeps coming back to CB, and that's about all we know. Why hasn't the mother come foreward to say how she knew HB was not with her BF and was in danger? She was obviously worried or she would not have told CB to go get a loaded pistol and she wouldn't have rushed home. somethings just don't add up no matter how you cut the cake.

Karen told Clint it wasn't Drew because Drew was hunting on their grandma's property that morning. Some miles away from the Bobo home (can't remember exact distance off the top of my head). The reason she knew this was because of a flurry of phone calls from Drew and Holly over some misunderstanding concerning the person who was at the grandma's property. This person (who hasn't been mentioned in MSM) didn't recognize Drew when he arrived on the property to hunt turkeys. The flurry of phone calls took place between 7:00 and 7:40 before the neighbour heard the scream.

~n/t~
01-30-2012, 05:03 AM
This is the thread where the Jackson Sun Article was discussed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149561&page=35


Unfortunately, the article is not available for FREE anymore. It's archived and if anyone wants it, there is a fee.