View Full Version : Rescued beagles experience grass & sunlight for the 1st time
Linda7NJ
11-30-2011, 07:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/video-rescued-beagle-dogs-experience-sunlight-first-time-221217299.html
In the heartwarming video below, a group of beagles rescued from a research laboratory in Spain experience sunlight for the first time.
made me cry:)
momtective
11-30-2011, 07:49 PM
Very touching and quite amazing that they have all adjusted so well.
passionflower
11-30-2011, 08:01 PM
I think this happens more than we know of. :(
SuziQ
11-30-2011, 09:07 PM
They are so lovable even though they've spent their lives caged up. My heart melted when one kissed the man in the van. I'm so happy to see all of them doing well.
Truthwillsetufree
11-30-2011, 09:22 PM
Babies and Dogs....they have my heart!
Thank you for posting this. I really do love a Happy ending!
I hope the people that rescued these precious animals are blessed beyond measure!
then we know of?
I sadly, agree.
I watched this video-it brought me to tears.
How many more? Probably thousands-if you include countries that do not even acknowledge animals as anything but property.
SURPRISE: 99% of the United States considers mammals-(live birthing animals) as property.
Kind of like a coffee table.
So-There were a lot of coffee tables in those cages, for all of those years.
God bless, the kind, brave people-who gave them a life.
Yes, there are more. Where can I donate money to help the others?? I am SO ready to do so. Will check it out.
Property to me is a coffee table-not a living breathing, wanting, loving, trapped mammal in a cage.
To me- The people who have no compassion for animals-are NOT HUMANS.
I am not a religious person, but I definately believe in Good and Evil.
I am seeing so much evil. Babies, Toddlers, Wives, Dogs, Parents-I know I've only scratched a bit of the surface.
Truly. What the hell is going on????
Cruel slaughter of animals. Not only for consumption, but for cruel Sport.
I am SO dissapointed in our race.
I think this happens more than we know of. :(
gitana1
12-01-2011, 02:21 AM
Man, this kills me. I had no idea my dad's motherland still does animal testing. Shame on them!
It's strange, I am horrified about cases where children are killed or abused but I can read about them. But, when it comes to animals, I can't bear to hear about it or think about it.
I suppose that may have something to do with the fact that laws are there to protect children and the general consensus around the world is that they should be protected. It is not the same for non-human animals. They really have no voice. Or not much. And they are so pure of soul and heart, just like human babies.
Melanie
12-01-2011, 02:51 AM
I cried -- especially when I saw those eyes looking at the grass and wondering what it was. No animal should NOT know what grass and freedom feels like.
Bless the rescuers!
Mel
badhorsie
12-01-2011, 08:57 AM
After all they have been through, they still trust. Dear dogs, thanks for posting this
TexasLori
12-01-2011, 09:53 AM
That broke my heart. My own beagle is a spoiled princess. I think they should all be spoiled.
Evan's Mom
12-01-2011, 10:03 AM
I cried my eyes out watching this video, but it was a good cry.
Evan's Mom
12-01-2011, 10:08 AM
Beagles are such sweet, precious dogs.
Our family had one named Gina and she lived to be almost 17 years old.
I can't afford to adopt one of these guys because I already have two dogs and two cats and no fence, but I'll certainly donate $20 to help them out.
Herding Cats
12-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Here is the link for adoption, sponsor, foster...
http://www.beaglefreedomproject.org/involved.php#adopt
Just click the one you'd like to do, and follow the directions. Even if it's only $5, or $10, that's food and care. It matters. Every little bit counts...it really does.
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Herding Cats
12-01-2011, 03:36 PM
Just wanted to post up and say there may be a foster coming to live with the herd and Gracie. We'll know more on Saturday, but they have one who is in need of some reintegration and seems to be not doing well where he is now. So, I volunteered to foster him and work with him for a bit, and see where that leads.
I'll know on Saturday, I think. Just couldn't say no...just couldn't pass the chance to spread the love a bit further. There's plenty, so there will be enough to go around...and he seems to very much need some security and love and comfort at the moment.
Just thought I'd mention it.
:)
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oh_gal
12-01-2011, 04:15 PM
Heartbreaking and hopeful, at the same time.
May we all know such resilience.
davehead21
12-01-2011, 05:47 PM
Man, this kills me. I had no idea my dad's motherland still does animal testing. Shame on them!
It's strange, I am horrified about cases where children are killed or abused but I can read about them. But, when it comes to animals, I can't bear to hear about it or think about it.
I suppose that may have something to do with the fact that laws are there to protect children and the general consensus around the world is that they should be protected. It is not the same for non-human animals. They really have no voice. Or not much. And they are so pure of soul and heart, just like human babies.
BBM--
I am the exact same way but I have never verbalized that to anyone because it sounds so horrible. I am glad to know that someone else feels this way.
That video broke my heart. Those poor little dogs not wanting to leave their cages because that's all they've ever known....ugh. I am so glad that these little guys got a happy ending, though. And I am with whomever said that their heart melted when one of the dogs kissed the man in the van....that was precious!!
SugarQueen
12-01-2011, 07:49 PM
Just wanted to post up and say there may be a foster coming to live with the herd and Gracie. We'll know more on Saturday, but they have one who is in need of some reintegration and seems to be not doing well where he is now. So, I volunteered to foster him and work with him for a bit, and see where that leads.
I'll know on Saturday, I think. Just couldn't say no...just couldn't pass the chance to spread the love a bit further. There's plenty, so there will be enough to go around...and he seems to very much need some security and love and comfort at the moment.
Just thought I'd mention it.
:)
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Oh Herding, what a wonderful soul you are!!
Reality Orlando
12-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Just wanted to post up and say there may be a foster coming to live with the herd and Gracie. We'll know more on Saturday, but they have one who is in need of some reintegration and seems to be not doing well where he is now. So, I volunteered to foster him and work with him for a bit, and see where that leads.
I'll know on Saturday, I think. Just couldn't say no...just couldn't pass the chance to spread the love a bit further. There's plenty, so there will be enough to go around...and he seems to very much need some security and love and comfort at the moment.
Just thought I'd mention it.
:)
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You're such a good girl...:clap::tyou:
Reality Orlando
12-01-2011, 08:11 PM
95% of the products in my home are not tested on animals. Peta has a pretty updated and inclusive list on there site, here:
http://www.peta.org/living/beauty-and-personal-care/companies/default.aspx
Companies that DO TEST ON ANIMALS...please avoid or take a moment and contact some and ask them to stop.:
http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/companiesdotest.pdf
Herding Cats
12-01-2011, 08:26 PM
Let's see how it goes. The dog is being neutered and vax'd tomorrow, and has been in one foster home that he hasn't been doing well with, so on Saturday, I will go and meet him...and from there, decide if I can help him overcome some of the issues. Not blaming the foster home, it's just not a great fit (from what I gather), so hopefully, being here would do the dog good.
I've been doing some research, and really think I can contribute to this boy's life, and help him out. Lots of work, but then again, except for Gracie, all my animals have needed lots of work, so that doesn't bug me in the least (and I do enjoy the challenge). Gracie has promised to help, too, so that will be good (she said she'd model good behavior for the dog; and give him lovies...LOL. All kidding aside, having a well behaved dog "work with" a timid/shy/neglected dog often does a great deal in bringing about change).
We'll see on Saturday.
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Tuffy
12-01-2011, 08:40 PM
I cried -- especially when I saw those eyes looking at the grass and wondering what it was. No animal should NOT know what grass and freedom feels like.
Bless the rescuers!
Mel
Loved this video, but it made me cry too. Bless their little beagly hearts!
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/can-i-be-your-lawyer-of-course-you-can-240x180.jpg
Shutterfly
12-01-2011, 09:12 PM
I watched this video about three hours ago. It took me two hours to get my wits about me and to stop bursting into tears at the poor beagle afraid to walk on the grass.
Elphaba
12-02-2011, 03:19 PM
Pass the kleenex, please.
momtective
12-02-2011, 04:44 PM
Just wanted to post up and say there may be a foster coming to live with the herd and Gracie. We'll know more on Saturday, but they have one who is in need of some reintegration and seems to be not doing well where he is now. So, I volunteered to foster him and work with him for a bit, and see where that leads.
I'll know on Saturday, I think. Just couldn't say no...just couldn't pass the chance to spread the love a bit further. There's plenty, so there will be enough to go around...and he seems to very much need some security and love and comfort at the moment.
Just thought I'd mention it.
:)
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How did I know you were going to do this? I'm serious, when I watched that video I instantly thought of you. I'm so glad you're taking this lil' guy in and I know he will probably do just wonderful with you. I'm all excited for tomorrow to hurry up and get here now, so you can let us know if you two connected and I'm super excited at the thought of following his progress with you if you do take him.
Herding Cats
12-02-2011, 05:36 PM
Momtective, LOL. Yes, I want tomorrow to hurry up, too...I'm wondering how his vax and neuter went today, and how he's coping. I did run out and get some of the calming drops (herbal stuff, with Vit. B complex) for him, just in case he needs it if he comes tomorrow.
TBH, I'm wondering what got into me. LOL...but it's "just a foster", LOL...and he needs someplace he can recover and heal and become a dog again. Hopefully, it will be a good match (not just for me, but he needs to be happy about it, too), and I can help this guy out. And if not, I've told them they can use me at any time in rescues in the future.
We'll see how tomorrow goes...and I think it's hysterical that you thought of me when you saw the vid. I suppose my "crazy animal lover" reputation precedes me. ROFL.
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Herding Cats
12-02-2011, 08:39 PM
Just off the phone with the rescue folks, and I'll go meet #13 tomorrow. He came through the vet and treatments very, very well, and didn't have anything unusual to report. In other words, he's pretty healthy. This is good.
Tomorrow at noon I'll go to their place, and meet him...and we'll take it from there. BTW, if you want to see him, click http://www.beaglefreedomproject.org/photos.php and he's 4th down on the left side, laying on concrete and looking forlorn.
Apparently, his only issue aside from being a lab dog, is that he's really shy/timid....and that is understandable. And if it's just that which is the problem, while it will take time, it should be a fairly easy issue to address. Time will do wonders, I think.
Just thought I'd let you guys know...I'm getting a little excited now. :)
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Tuffy
12-03-2011, 09:19 AM
Just off the phone with the rescue folks, and I'll go meet #13 tomorrow. He came through the vet and treatments very, very well, and didn't have anything unusual to report. In other words, he's pretty healthy. This is good.
Tomorrow at noon I'll go to their place, and meet him...and we'll take it from there. BTW, if you want to see him, click http://www.beaglefreedomproject.org/photos.php and he's 4th down on the left side, laying on concrete and looking forlorn.
Apparently, his only issue aside from being a lab dog, is that he's really shy/timid....and that is understandable. And if it's just that which is the problem, while it will take time, it should be a fairly easy issue to address. Time will do wonders, I think.
Just thought I'd let you guys know...I'm getting a little excited now. :)
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Oh, he has such a sweet face, those eyes! Hounds just look like they're seeing into your soul. Please post some pics when he gets home!
Also, for all you beagle fans, there is a cute website devoted to them called beagelface. http://www.beagleface.com/
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 01:29 PM
If he comes, Tuffy, I will. You guys know how horrible I am at photo taking, though.
I leave in about 45 minutes; have an errand to run before I go to the rescue, and then, will meet this boy and see if we can't make a match, and see if I can't help this boy back on the road to recovery.
I'll post up when I get home.
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zippitydoda
12-03-2011, 02:07 PM
you are an :angel2: and I hope its love at first sight for this :beagle:
:poke: I'm eagerly awaiting the results from your visit...
SuziQ
12-03-2011, 04:33 PM
If he comes, Tuffy, I will. You guys know how horrible I am at photo taking, though.
I leave in about 45 minutes; have an errand to run before I go to the rescue, and then, will meet this boy and see if we can't make a match, and see if I can't help this boy back on the road to recovery.
I'll post up when I get home.
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I'm so very excited to read your next post. You are a good person.
tlcya
12-03-2011, 05:03 PM
aw HC, you have the biggest most caring heart of anyone I know. I should have realized you couldn't see that video and not get involved. Bless your heart. I hope everything goes well with the introductions and that maybe your ever growing family will come to include #13 (aka Elvis).
momtective
12-03-2011, 05:38 PM
For #13 aka Elvis.
Beagles, Unconditional Love - YouTube
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 05:56 PM
So, Mr. Elvis is here now. Of course he is. You all knew that he'd come home...I may have fooled myself, but not really.
This is one terrified, confused little guy. Totally freaked about absolutely everything. I sneezed, and he flinched. I blew my nose, and he considered falling over. Right now, he's in a pen in the living room, on a nice thick pillow, and my shirt that I was wearing when I met him...and he's very, very tired and worried. So he'll be staying there for a bit.
He has met Gracie (no problem), and Malachi and Oliver are sitting on the recliner watching "Elvis" fall asleep. Elvis doesn't want to sleep, because he's stressed out, but he's very, very tired and thinking he should go on and snuggle down and crash out. LOL.
I will post more in a bit, but for the moment, I kinda want to just...hang...with him. And I am thinking his name isn't Elvis...it's more like Sebastian.
More later.
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momtective
12-03-2011, 06:03 PM
So, Mr. Elvis is here now. Of course he is. You all knew that he'd come home...I may have fooled myself, but not really.
This is one terrified, confused little guy. Totally freaked about absolutely everything. I sneezed, and he flinched. I blew my nose, and he considered falling over. Right now, he's in a pen in the living room, on a nice thick pillow, and my shirt that I was wearing when I met him...and he's very, very tired and worried. So he'll be staying there for a bit.
He has met Gracie (no problem), and Malachi and Oliver are sitting on the recliner watching "Elvis" fall asleep. Elvis doesn't want to sleep, because he's stressed out, but he's very, very tired and thinking he should go on and snuggle down and crash out. LOL.
I will post more in a bit, but for the moment, I kinda want to just...hang...with him. And I am thinking his name isn't Elvis...it's more like Sebastian.
More later.
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But of course he is...was there ever really a doubt. :giggle:
So glad y'all are home and Sebastian is considering settling in...he'll come around, I just know he will.
:loveyou::beagle::loveyou:
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 06:13 PM
He's cracking me up. He lays down, sleeps for about 30 seconds, and the sits up again...wobbles, and falls over asleep. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary. Bless his heart.
I may have to break out the rescue remedy herbs I've got...just so he'll sleep a bit. Everything is always better after a nap...kwim?
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LimeCola
12-03-2011, 06:22 PM
Oh, the poor little guy. I am so glad to hear that you are taking him in and helping to mend his trust.
I always feel better after a sleep. It sounds like he is hyper-vigilant, a very common side effect of trauma.
Please keep the updates coming. You have my prayers for his progress.
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 06:31 PM
He is completely hypervigilant. I am going to give him a few more minutes, and then drop some herbs into him, to help him settle. Seriously, he's sitting, falling asleep, falling over, then sitting up again...over and over.
BTW, all the kitties want to know what's going on...they're all interested. I don't think they know he's a dog, because all they're used to is Gracie...and she's so big compared to him. LOL. So they're not sure what to think of this boy.
Let's see how this plays out.
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Linda7NJ
12-03-2011, 06:34 PM
Everytime... I click on this thread, I cry! But everyone tear is a happy one! YOU ROCK !!!!!!:great::rocker:
LimeCola
12-03-2011, 06:41 PM
I don't have any experience with rescued dogs, but I wonder if there is any chance that he might be less hyper-vigilant if there was a crate for him to sleep in (as this might be what he knows?). Perhaps with the door open?
You obviously know dogs much better than I do, but my thinking is that if he felt protected from the 'outside', perhaps he would let his guard down a bit to sleep?
Of course there is a chance that it could lead to more anxiety for him...like I said, no experience in this area, so it's just a thought.
What a huge heart you have.
:heartbeat:
belimom
12-03-2011, 08:04 PM
He is completely hypervigilant. I am going to give him a few more minutes, and then drop some herbs into him, to help him settle. Seriously, he's sitting, falling asleep, falling over, then sitting up again...over and over.
BTW, all the kitties want to know what's going on...they're all interested. I don't think they know he's a dog, because all they're used to is Fracie...and she's so big compared to him. LOL. So they're not sure what to think of this boy.
Let's see how this plays out.
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HC... you are simply wonderful. :blowkiss:
I have a theory about little Sebastian. And it's very very sad. I'm a member of PETA but I had to stop looking at any pictures or videos they had because it was too much for me to take: I saw where some of these animals are kept in contraptions that keep them from being able to lie down or anything of the sort --- 24/7. It's absolutely horrific what they do to these animals.
I wonder if something like that happened to Sebastian? I wonder if his nervousness is a combination of the new environment/fear and also of the uneasiness of being able to lie down and get comfortable?
Bless his little 'beagly heart' and those wonderful soulful eyes.
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 09:47 PM
He still wasn't laying down, so, because while I hate to do it, I decided I needed to, I went ahead and gave him 1 ml of a compound of the herbs. They should be taking effect in about 5 more minutes, and if they don't work (let him relax), then I'll dose him again.
I've got him tucked in...he's on a soft squishy pad, with a doggy-bathrobe on, and he's fenced off from the herd and Gracie. He's got room to move, and there is no top, but it's close to the crate situation.
I don't really want to fully crate him, because that's where he came from, and had been living in, for so many years. It's a huge adjustment for him, and I want him to be able to see us and be interested and feel safe at the same time.
Malachi and Oliver are both terribly intruiged. Those two are my "comfort kitties", as in when someone isn't feeling well, they like to hover near or actually lay on the person.
I don't know what they did to him (and I don't want to know). I just know that in the last 10 days, he's been flown in from Spain, went to one foster home, was examined by a vet, got vax'd, neutered and dental done yesterday, brought back to the rescue, tossed into my car and is now at a new place. If that were me, I'd be sucking ativan like candy...so I can only imagine how tough it must be for him right now...on top of everything else that's likely transpired in the last few years.
He is severely traumatized, and will need a long, loving recovery. I will do my best by him; he's just a sweet heart. With all this, not one little bit of aggression, not one snarl, not one growl...nothing but sad eyes and hypervigilance. Let's see what happens over the next few days...I do have the option of medicating him more significantly, but if the herbs work, I'd rather stay with that.
Bless his fuzzy little heart...
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Reality Orlando
12-03-2011, 09:52 PM
He is completely hypervigilant. I am going to give him a few more minutes, and then drop some herbs into him, to help him settle. Seriously, he's sitting, falling asleep, falling over, then sitting up again...over and over.
BTW, all the kitties want to know what's going on...they're all interested. I don't think they know he's a dog, because all they're used to is Gracie...and she's so big compared to him. LOL. So they're not sure what to think of this boy.
Let's see how this plays out.
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HC you can do it...I know he's safe in your very able hands. Bless you.
zippitydoda
12-03-2011, 10:11 PM
This is such a pleasure to read. A nice story - a rescue. I wish there were more, and that every story had a happy ending. I will check back often, and want to know all about Sebastian's new journey. Be sure to include Kitty Kat updates too, I want to know how they like their new brother.
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 10:36 PM
Sebastian ate two dinners!! Yes, they were small, but I wasn't sure he'd eat, so I only gave him 1/2 what I'd normally give a pup his size. He ate it down before I'd gotten out of the room! LOL, so I promptly gave him seconds. He also got some water into him, too, the first time today.
I will be letting him out to wander the living room (moving the fence line), and I'll be right here while I eat dinner...and we'll see what he does. He's still terribly tired, and now with his belly full, he may just decide to sleep it off.
I hope so...
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belimom
12-03-2011, 11:12 PM
Sebastian ate two dinners!! Yes, they were small, but I wasn't sure he'd eat, so I only gave him 1/2 what I'd normally give a pup his size. He ate it down before I'd gotten out of the room! LOL, so I promptly gave him seconds. He also got some water into him, too, the first time today.
I will be letting him out to wander the living room (moving the fence line), and I'll be right here while I eat dinner...and we'll see what he does. He's still terribly tired, and now with his belly full, he may just decide to sleep it off.
I hope so...
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Thank you for keeping us posted on his progress. Our family keeps checking here for updates. :seeya:
Herding Cats
12-03-2011, 11:41 PM
He's finally relaxing and trying to sleep. YAYAY! And Malachi and Oliver have both jumped into his pen to give noses and sniffs. I have expanded the area, and he's out...dreaming and twitching and waking every 5 minutes or so, but still...sleeping a bit, laying down, and just trying to relax.
I was going to take him out for potty time, but...well...I just laid a bunch of towels down instead. I don't want to encourage him to potty in the house, but...I also don't want him to get all tense again. So...for tonight, I'll leave him be, and see how it goes. It's not like I've never dealt with it before. LOL...
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Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 01:55 AM
And...he's tucked into bed. I gave him another dose of my herb stuff, and he's been sleeping a lot this evening already, so hopefully, he can get a good night's sleep tucked up in his pile o' bedding near Gracie (who's happily in her pen, chewing on a treat).
As for me, I'm gonna crawl into bed, and see how the night goes. So far, he hasn't made a peep (except for a long, drawn out sigh when he finally went to sleep earlier), and we don't know if he's been debarked, so I could wake to baying...or to silence. I'm thinking silence. LOL.
What an adventure. For him, but for me, too. He's going to test my skills and knowledge for sure and certain, but I think I can live up to his needs. With Gracie and the crazy cats' help, I think he can become a happy, secure dog; he may not be the social butterfly Gracie is, but he can go a long way, I think.
And yes, I've said a prayer to St. Francis of Assisi for any ideas or help he can send my way...LOL.
Thanks, you guys, for being just about as thrilled and excited that I am a part of his healing...I appreciate your support. A lot.
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Tuffy
12-04-2011, 09:06 AM
Aaawwww...two dinners and some herb concoction...I'm sure he's sleeping like a baby. :) I would have to stop myself from cuddling him and waking him back up!
Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 01:12 PM
Made it through the night, no fussing. Stayed basically about where I put him, although he seems to not like fluffy things...prefers the hardwood floor to a snuggly, and prefers the concrete of the hearth to the snuggly. It's just about 65* in the house, so that's not it.
Still flinching and jumping at every sound...and that's expected, but breaks my heart. I will dose him again with the herbs...this may be a long term assist while I get him feeling more safe.
Has not gone exploring, although he has had the opportunity to do so. The cats continue to be totally fascinated by him, and come visit him regularly. Not one of the cats have hissed or even growled at him...I think they're used to Gracie, and since he's tiny compared to her, they are not sure what to think. So they're being gracious hosts (yes, Simon Le Booger included), and it's very interesting to watch.
Has not yet pooped or pee'd that I've found, although he could've pee'd and I don't know where. Not too concerned yet, but if he doesn't go by tomorrow, I do need to take him in to the vet. Ate a good breakfast, and drank lots of water this morning, so the "in" part seems to be just fine.
Other than that, nothing new and exciting to report. He is going to need routines, and solid ones, to start to get comfy...so that's what we'll be doing. Routines. And exposure to sounds and the noises of a regular house and environment; I mean, even a crow cawing across the street makes him startle.
So, it's herbs and routines...herbs and routines. If he doesn't relax in a while, I may consider giving him canine anti anxiety meds, but that's in the future. Right now, it's herbs and routines, and of course lots of lovies.
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SuziQ
12-04-2011, 01:25 PM
HC, thank you for your updates. This was the first thread I came to this morning.
momtective
12-04-2011, 02:19 PM
Somehow I don't see Sebastian's placement as being much different than the 160+ foster children placements we've had over a 23 year period. He seems to be going through what many of our children experienced. Often times they too had been trough horrific trauma, bounced from placement to placement in a brief period of time before arriving at our home. Many of them exhibited the same behaviors as you are seeing in Sebastian; easily startled, hyper-vigilant, insecure and un-trusting and often times reclusive and very hesitant to socialize, attach and interrogate into the family.
Time, space, routine, and a lot of love and patience always brought them around. Usually by the end of the first week with one appointment after another, social workers, physical exams, dental check-ups etc. we would begin to see a a little change and once all the madness of appointments, shopping for cloths and whatnot settled down we saw a huge difference. :yesss:...
Sometimes from one extreme to the other...:okay:
By the end of the first month we were usually seeing they layers of abuse, sadness, and trauma just fall away piece by piece and we knew the healing process had truly begun and for many of our kiddo's healing will be a life long process, but their making it and those who keep (and there are many)in touch are doing really well...they make us so proud. :beats:
I'm thinking Sebastian just really isn't so different from any other living, breathing soul who has been had a hellish beginning. He's in a wonderful place now with a woman who will give him the loving environment he needs to begin to heal and he is already loved by a whole bunch of Sleuths...what more could he possibly need. :giggle
tlcya
12-04-2011, 02:28 PM
I had a company Christmas party to attend and we were out quite late. Last I had read was that you were going to meet him. This morning was full of errands and picking up the kids at grandma's. Like SuzieQ, this was my first stop upon logging in. I am so glad Sebastian is home were we all suspected he belonged ;)
Keep those updates coming. Now off to fetch DD so she can read of Sebastian's progress. The video of teh beagles was so upsetting to her. She didn't know such things were done to animals. She will be so thrilled to watch and read all about Sebastian's new life and family.
Thank you HC, for being exactly who you are. You are offering me so many opportunities to teach my children. First Gracie, then Ladybug, now Sebastian. I think you may be DD's biggest hero this year :)
Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 04:37 PM
No hero, TLCox..none whatsoever. Just had an extra space, you know? Just had enough extra love and space and food. I figure I'm the lucky and blessed one, because he will be teaching me sooooo much about things; life, love, the healing process...I'm the lucky one indeed. Hi, DD! If you have any questions, tell Mom to ask me, and I'll do my best to answer, all right?
Mom, I hope that's all he's needing...just some time and space and "new clothes" to start the healing. Routines, a safe and secure environment, good food and lovies...and time. Time, I think, will be the biggest healer here.
As for the Ragamuffin, he seems to have developed a bit of an infection from his neuter. A little bit of puss, sticky and greenish, from the tip of his penis. I called the Freedom Project, and they're sending over some antibiotics today for him. I really, really don't want to take him to the vet for a while.
And the herbs are being used, and are effective. He's exhausted. I don't know how long it's been since he's been able to actually sleep; really, deeply, sleep. He's doing the sleep/fall/wake thing again, so I'm going to give him another dose of herbs and let him rest in his spot (which appears to be on the hearth in the living room). All the cats have completely accepted him, Gracie said "hey there, little guy" and then went about her business (said business is currently killing a stuffy), so the house seems to be settling in.
I'll update again tonight...'til then, if you have a moment, send a healing prayer out for this sweet boy...so that his healing can start, his ownself can start developing, and his new life, in the sunshine-warmed grass, can begin.
Hugs to all...and thanks.
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tlcya
12-04-2011, 04:49 PM
Amen.
Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 09:13 PM
Evening update 12/4:
He had a very quiet, relaxing, mellow kinda day. I'm not sure how he thought of it, but I kept noise to a minimum, cleaned up around here a bit, and just made sure he saw me every few minutes when I was working in another room. Several times (erm, 4, but who's counting? LOL) I "caught" Malachi and Oliver in Sebastian's pen, and righyt now, Mal is hanging on the recliner arm, just above Sebastian's head.
Sebastian is slowly, slowly relaxing. He is no longer sitting/sleeping/falling/jerking awake; rather, he's laying down most of the time, switching sides when he wants to, but mostly just dozing/sleeping. He is willing to lay down, and that's progress. That's actually good progress. One of the rescue ladies came by, and he sat and shook for a bit, but then relaxed and laid down again.
I'm making it a point to go into the pen regularly, and just love on him. But not for too long, because as much as I just want to hold him, snuggle him, and comfort him, he also has to learn to calm himself, to relax without that. I don't want to enforce the concept that there's something wrong, if that makes sense, by comforting him all the time. He needs to learn how to assess accurately the situation, and be concerned if there's something to be concerned about, but if there's nothing to be concerned about, to calm himself down. If that makes any sense at all. LOL.
He hasn't had herbs for some time - I think about 11:30ish or so. He's doing well, but the bottle is right here and he will be dosed before bedtime. I'm debating whether or not to bring him into the bedroom to sleep; not sure if that's wise, or if he would be better off just in his area, where he's been all day. It's warm enough, and I can always leave the heater on, too. Not sure that moving him is a good thing...but then, maybe it is. Will think about it more; bedtime is hours away yet.
Gonna get dinner down for the herd, and the pack. The rescue lady that came through and did a home inspection (*yes, a fence, lots of cats, and Gracie!!) forgot to bring the abx, so she'll bring them tomorrow. He'll be fine, I'm sure, but I want to start him on them ASAP, so that the infection doesn't need a vet visit...that would be tough on him right now.
He is a sweet, dear, traumatized boy. He will look at you, but if he thinks you're looking at him, he looks away. He's getting used to being gently touched, but it will be a long process for him to be comfortable. I think I will have a glass of wine the first time he asks to be petted...that will be an enormous breakthrough. He wants it, but he won't ask for it.
And he offers his paw constantly; the rescue place tells me that he (and the other lab dogs) do this because they're used to humans coming, taking his paw, and drawing blood (sometimes multiple times during a day, apparently). Can you imagine, seeing a person and giving a paw because you just know that's what they're gonna grab anyway? So each time he offers it, I take it gently in my hand, kiss it, hold it for a few moments, and then let him have it back...I want him to be desensitized to touching his paw, to show him that good things happen when one holds hands with a human; not only needles and pain.
I look at him, and my eyes drip. Just feel so bad for him...he has no idea he's a dog, no idea life is supposed to be good and fun and not in a cage. Over time, I hope he will learn that being a dog, at least around me (and others), can be a good, happy, positive thing...and that someday, I will look in the backyard and watch him and Gracie goofing off.
Ah man.
Time to feed the critters...will update later if anything goes on.
And if a mod could tell me whether or not I should start a thread in Pets for him, or if it's all right to keep posting here, I'd appreciate it!
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PS: I just sneezed and blew my nose. His eyebrows moved, but he didn't flinch! YAY!!
Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 09:41 PM
Can I say something, without you all thinking I've blown my last fuse?
Everytime I say "Sebastian", I hear "TOBIAS". Or Toby.
Now, know this is not a name I'd ever wanted to use on any animal. I hold with the thought that all animals name themselves, but I thought Sebastian was it...but I keep hearing "a correction"...TOBIAS.
Please know I'm not psychic, and I'm not hearing voices. It's bizarre.
Just thought I'd share that with you all. Please don't think I'm looney. I'm really not. I promise. I don't think so, at least.
Am I nuts?
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Linda7NJ
12-04-2011, 09:41 PM
The next time I open this thread...I'm gonna remember the kleenex!
:woohoo:
Shutterfly
12-04-2011, 10:04 PM
Can I say something, without you all thinking I've blown my last fuse?
Everytime I say "Sebastian", I hear "TOBIAS". Or Toby.
Now, know this is not a name I'd ever wanted to use on any animal. I hold with the thought that all animals name themselves, but I thought Sebastian was it...but I keep hearing "a correction"...TOBIAS.
Please know I'm not psychic, and I'm not hearing voices. It's bizarre.
Just thought I'd share that with you all. Please don't think I'm looney. I'm really not. I promise. I don't think so, at least.
Am I nuts?
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HC I don't think you've blown your last fuse at all. I recognize your connection to these animals and I know it's much like my own....that is why I love your posts. I agree with your theory on names. I have people ask me all the time, where did you come up with that name? I draw a blank because what I don't want to say is "well I got it from (insert name) where do you think I got it from?" It's just so natural for me. I have many...it's as if the name just falls from the sky in your head, if you're open to that possibility and you wait for it to come. If your hearing Tobias or Toby, try it out and see what his reaction to it is. See how it 'feels' for both of you.
Or perhaps we've both blown out last fuse.....
ETA; now read LimeCola's post.
Are we all crazy?
LimeCola
12-04-2011, 10:12 PM
Can I say something, without you all thinking I've blown my last fuse?
Everytime I say "Sebastian", I hear "TOBIAS". Or Toby.
Now, know this is not a name I'd ever wanted to use on any animal. I hold with the thought that all animals name themselves, but I thought Sebastian was it...but I keep hearing "a correction"...TOBIAS.
Please know I'm not psychic, and I'm not hearing voices. It's bizarre.
Just thought I'd share that with you all. Please don't think I'm looney. I'm really not. I promise. I don't think so, at least.
Am I nuts?
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Just read this and got a chill...last night, when I was posting to you on this thread, I thought to myself "the dog's name is Toby". Then I scrolled to see what his name was before Sebastian (Elvis). I have no idea where that thought came from, as I love the name you've chosen. (insert twilight zone music here)
belimom
12-04-2011, 10:34 PM
HC... Your latest update just radiates the love you have for Sebastian/Tobias. It's almost as if I can sense the bond here -- thousands of miles away, on the East Coast - LOL! I don't believe he has bonded to you yet, but I know that he will.
Thank you again for sharing.
Herding Cats
12-04-2011, 11:38 PM
No, he's not bonded with me. He's a long way from that, I think. He's got a lot to work through before he can (and "should") trust humans. But I think, even though it's been just over 24 hours, he's beginning to trust that he's not going to be hurt - at least, not constantly. He's starting to be able to relax...he's not tightly curled into a ball; he's not watchful, wary; he's not trying to stay awake so he can see what's coming. He's nowhere near relaxed, not like we know it (like Gracie...she's relaxed; she's sleeping on her back, all legs splayed outward. Now, that's relaxed!)...but he's as relaxed as I've seen him, and I think he's relaxed as he's been in a long while.
He's dreaming, now. Just let out a huge sigh, and his legs are twitching. I wonder what he's dreaming of? His nose is twitching, too. It's cute...and it's good. Sleeping deeply enough to dream is healing...and so hopefully, maybe, he's starting to heal; just a wee, tiny bit...but it's more than yesterday. And that's good.
Shutterfly, yes...the names drop out of the sky. It's so weird...
LimeCola, I called him Toby, but he didn't do anything. 'Course, he didn't do anything when I called him Sebastian, either. I don't think he knows he is supposed to have a 'name'...rather, I suspect his cage had a number, and if he was called anything, it was by number.
Just something else for him to learn...names.
Sigh. I'm probably going to head to bed early; I'm tired, and have had a hard few days...and haven't been sleeping well. So I think I'll take something to help me snooze, and see if I can't have a good dream, and do some of my own healing sleep.
Still not sure if I'm going to move him. Probably not...he's quite secure where he is right now, and I can't see a need to have him in the bedroom while I sleep...don't really see a need. The worst that can happen if he stays in the living room is a kitty will come snuggle him. And it's not like they haven't been trying to do that today anyway. LOL.
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ETA: I'm going to leave him in the living room, in his spot, for the night. I'm watching Oliver walk around Toby/Sebastian's pen, and investigate...T/S isn't even the least bit interested...Ollie just sniffed his toes, and then his belly, and T/S didn't even open his eyes. I went ahead and gave him a dose of herbs, hoping that will help him sleep through the night (or at least most of it), so we will see how he does "alone" in the living room.
3, 2, 1...I'm outta here for the night. See you all in the morning (and thanks, as always, for the support and help and friendship...I do appreciate you all very much).
Penelope
12-05-2011, 08:50 AM
Been following this for the last day or so. I really do admire you, Herding Cats, for adopting this dog in need. I also thank you for your updates. As far as his name goes-- it's okay to test them as I've done that with my dogs. The correct name will come to you as he begins to reveal his Spirit. It is hard to name them when they don't know who they are. Lots of love and hugs to S/T and to you.
Linda7NJ
12-05-2011, 09:41 AM
Every pet I have or had was a rescue. The most psychologically damaged.. I rescued a two year old doberman that was raised in a cage his whole life. He stood in his cage, ankle deep in feces, only hosed down occasionally, terrified of everything when I came upon him. I couldn't even coax him to come out of the cage..I had to drag him.
I brought him home, threw him in the tub and then off to the vet we went. When I got him back home, I brought him to my bedroom and he hid in my walk in closet behind the laundry basket. I fed him every meal by hand piece by piece. I'd gently pet him and talk soothingly when I fed him but basically would leave him alone only dragging him out to walk. One day he ventured out to find me and sniffed around a bit before going back into hiding. Everyday he started to venture out longer and longer.
The vet warned me he may never be able to be housebroken. When he pooped in the house, I'd carry it outside , same with the paper towels used to clean up the pee and when I walked him, in the back yard, he'd sniff it. After a week he figured it out!
It took almost a year for him to stop being startled in the house by a sudden noise. He's shake like a leaf and hide. He trusted me fairly quickly and would jump into my lap and tuck his face under my arm during thunderstorms and vet visits for the rest of his life. He was a terrific dog, over came a lot but the poor guy did have lasting effects. He never did learn to trust humans outside of my own family. But he lived a long safe life knowing his was very much loved.
Herding Cats
12-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Oh, what a night! In a good way, I think, but still. LOL.
T/S got out of the pen sometime during the hours of 1 and 6...peed on the carpet (no big deal...), and I am not sure if he pooped or not (haven't discovered it yet). I put him back in the enclosure I have, cleaned the pee spot, gave everyone breakfast, and went back to bed. Kitties seem to be fine with him wandering, and he negotiated the stairs (just two) to the den, where I found him in the dark and cold, sitting by the back door.
And it was truly cold - 35.6*. I put him back into his enclosure, got Gracie up and out, and got everyone fed...then went back to bed. (I've been sleeping very badly for about a week now, so am dragging a lot).
Got up again about an hour ago, and he'd again gotten out...but this time, apparently also tried to get back in. LOL. I discovered him just outside where he'd gotten out earlier, but I had blocked that area and he'd used a different route this time to leave. Problem was, he couldn't get back in that way (the way the pen was set, it was not an entrance, apparently).
The good news is that he wanted back into a 'safe spot', has peed (again, so twice), and seems a bit more willing to explore (or possibly 'escape'), which means he's interested in his surroundings. It doesn't mean he's less fearful, though, but he's brave to go exploring a house in the cold and dark. Or he really wants to escape. LOL.
If I can get him accustomed to a leash, I'll take him out back for a while today. He needs to start exploring, but I'm not ready to let him do it alone...he needs to learn the house, but again, I want him to learn it with me.
I love - LOVE - that he's been getting out. I know that sounds dumb, and that the motivation is probably fear and a longing to escape, but it's showing that he can overcome his fear and do something for himself. If that makes sense. It's a start at learning he can do things, and no bad things happen, and that he can start trusting himself and his instincts again.
It's good news. To me; maybe not to anyone else, but to me. LOL. And yes, Penelope, he will start to show his ownself over time, and he will make sure that he gets a name he deserves. For now, though, he's "Sweet boy" and "T/S".
YAY Tobias/Sebastian! Way to go exploring, and beginning to learn how to be independent! WOOT! And I don't care about the pee-ing...there's probably nothing in this house that hasn't been pee-d on at some point or another, and pee is clean-able. So YAY, Sweet Boy, just big YAY!
:)
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ETA: Linda, I have no concern that he won't learn how to be housebroken...it may take time and methods different than other dogs, and I'll definitely use the rags idea...but I suspect he'll be housebroken fairly soon. And thank you for taking that pup in...you made a huge difference, and that's important to the world. Hugs.
belimom
12-05-2011, 03:55 PM
We're cheering along with you! About a dog who broke out of a pen multiple times and peed twice in the house... LOL!
Seriously, I understand what you're saying and I'm happy, too -- soooo happy that he is showing some initiative, because - to me - that means he is starting to care/think on his own. Otherwise, he would just have sat there all night on his little spot, kwim?
:woohoo:
Herding Cats
12-05-2011, 04:39 PM
We're cheering along with you! About a dog who broke out of a pen multiple times and peed twice in the house... LOL!
Seriously, I understand what you're saying and I'm happy, too -- soooo happy that he is showing some initiative, because - to me - that means he is starting to care/think on his own. Otherwise, he would just have sat there all night on his little spot, kwim?
:woohoo:
That is exactly IT! He's showing initiative, and starting to think on his own. Which has to be a fairly new experience, and definitely one I'm not going to correct just yet (the pee-ing can be worked on later...I want him to think and begin to explore and make decisions for himself...).
Glad you get it. 'Cause that's exactly right...he's not just sitting in his own little safe spot...WOOT! for the sweet boy. Just big WOOT.
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Tuffy
12-05-2011, 06:14 PM
That is exactly IT! He's showing initiative, and starting to think on his own. Which has to be a fairly new experience, and definitely one I'm not going to correct just yet (the pee-ing can be worked on later...I want him to think and begin to explore and make decisions for himself...).
Glad you get it. 'Cause that's exactly right...he's not just sitting in his own little safe spot...WOOT! for the sweet boy. Just big WOOT.
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Yay! He's acting like a dog. :D
Herding Cats
12-05-2011, 07:36 PM
I found the POOP! Woot!
The goin'-ins are good, the comin'-outs are good...now just to get on top of that nascent infection, and all will be well with him physically.
I am glad I found the poop...as a first semester nursing student, we were told we'd never be happier than when we had poop in the right place, lookin' good. I thought they were bonkers...but it's true. With patients and critters, if the in's are happenin', and the out's are happening, the rest can generally be worked with.
Tee hee, the poop has commenced. :)
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tlcya
12-05-2011, 07:54 PM
lmao (we really need to get an emoticon for that, something like a smiley with a large butt which "falls off" during a laugh)
Yay! Poop!
So the in works and now we know both outs work as well. Each day brings exciting new progress.
Rhyme & Reason
12-05-2011, 08:54 PM
Just wanted to post up and say there may be a foster coming to live with the herd and Gracie. We'll know more on Saturday, but they have one who is in need of some reintegration and seems to be not doing well where he is now. So, I volunteered to foster him and work with him for a bit, and see where that leads.
I'll know on Saturday, I think. Just couldn't say no...just couldn't pass the chance to spread the love a bit further. There's plenty, so there will be enough to go around...and he seems to very much need some security and love and comfort at the moment.
Just thought I'd mention it.
:)
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OMG Herding Cats, you're awesome!! I so wish I could foster or adopt one (or two, or three!) but I'm just not in a position right now to do it.
Please keep us posted!!
Rhyme & Reason
12-05-2011, 09:38 PM
BBM--
I am the exact same way but I have never verbalized that to anyone because it sounds so horrible. I am glad to know that someone else feels this way.
That video broke my heart. Those poor little dogs not wanting to leave their cages because that's all they've ever known....ugh. I am so glad that these little guys got a happy ending, though. And I am with whomever said that their heart melted when one of the dogs kissed the man in the van....that was precious!!
Well, I'm glad there are at least two people other than me who feel this way.
Rhyme & Reason
12-05-2011, 09:40 PM
I watched this video about three hours ago. It took me two hours to get my wits about me and to stop bursting into tears at the poor beagle afraid to walk on the grass.
I know Shutterfly, It took a lot for me to get through that video & I still tear up thinking about it.
Rhyme & Reason
12-05-2011, 10:13 PM
OK, I posted above posts before reading to the end of the thread LOL.
Herding Cats, you seriously rock!! :rocker:
Herding Cats
12-05-2011, 10:34 PM
Linda, I thought that feeding him would be a good idea, like you did for your pup...but T/S refused all bits from my hand, and would not approach the dinner bowl if I was close. So, instead of taking the food away and trying later, I just wussed and gave him his bowl and moved a bit away.
He has also refused all treats from my hand, and actually had refused those in his bowl, too. I don't think he knows what they are. I know he doesn't know what a bone is...I gave Gracie and him a marrow bone, but even watching Gracie, he didn't eat his.
So...there are a lot of little lessons we can work on over time...but I don't want to force anything right now.
BTW, he's gone all day without herbs, and even was so deeply asleep he was snoring. LOL. I have removed the enclosure altogether, and he now has free roam of the house. I am sure he will go exploring once I go to bed, but he's remained on "his" hearth...his back is protected, and he can see most everything from his spot, so he's feeling safe and happy there. I am thrilled he's chosen to remain in the same room as me, and still doesn't seem to be at all coincerned about the cats.
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Herding Cats
12-06-2011, 12:00 AM
I know Shutterfly, It took a lot for me to get through that video & I still tear up thinking about it.
Imagine that in your living room. It's both amazingly hard and amazingly incredible. It's hard to picture, but T/S is worse than any of the ones on the vid. He doesn't kiss, doesn't even look at you straight on; he has no concept of dog-hood. He's sooo terrified and traumatized, that he doesn't even move if Gracie accidentally bonks him while she's sniffing him.
Two very cool things to report for the last note of the evening...
1. He was sleeping, so I laid down on the floor next to him. I stroked his head, and after a few minutes of that, he shut his eyes, and went back to sleep with his head on a stuffy that Gracie put in front of him.
2. Gracie got another marrow bone tonight (yeah, I'm spoiling her. LOL). She's laying right in front of him, on the floor in front of the hearth, chewing away...and he's watching. I wonder if he's trying to figure out what Gracie is doing, and if it's something he should give a try to. LOL...
I am not going to enclose him tonight. I will hunt down the potty spots in the morning, but I want him to have the whole house to roam in, explore, and decide about. He can access several different water bowls, and he will have no way to get out, so I'm not worried. And since he and the cats get along just fine, I'm not worried about him chasing them...we will see how it goes, of course, but I'm thinking it will be all right, and he will be happier exploring and not confined.
I think, if it's not too windy, I will give him a leash lesson in the backyard tomorrow. It will be hard to motivate him, considering he'd not praise motivated and also not treat motivated...but I'll think of something. LOL. The challenges this little sweetheart poses are very, very interesting...I'm open for suggestions and ideas, if anyone has any.
Hugs to all...and shy eye blinks from TS.
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invisibleninja
12-06-2011, 12:14 AM
Herding Cats - Thank you so much for taking T/S in and keeping us all updated on his progress. I've got a beagle myself (along with two cats and another dog), so the video of the rescued beagles - and reading about them - has really touched my heart. You're doing a great job!
Herding Cats
12-06-2011, 12:29 AM
Just had to post once more...because TS made me cry. Gracie was chewing her bone, as I posted, so I went over to them, sat between them, and just petted both of them at the same time. Gracie licked my hand, and then my face...and then TS licked my hand...two very tentative swipes of his tongue, but definitely licking and not an accident.
Of course I just cried. He didn't do it a second time, but still...he did it. And that was the sweetest kiss...just the sweetest kiss.
Just thought I'd get that up here, just so you all know...and can smile with me. :)
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Rhyme & Reason
12-06-2011, 01:08 AM
Just had to post once more...because TS made me cry. Gracie was chewing her bone, as I posted, so I went over to them, sat between them, and just petted both of them at the same time. Gracie licked my hand, and then my face...and then TS licked my hand...two very tentative swipes of his tongue, but definitely licking and not an accident.
Of course I just cried. He didn't do it a second time, but still...he did it. And that was the sweetest kiss...just the sweetest kiss.
Just thought I'd get that up here, just so you all know...and can smile with me. :)
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I think he will let you know, in his own way, what works best for him. It will just take time. Much more time than with a "regular" dog. I'm sure it's all so overwhelming for him. Just find a routine & stick with it and I bet he starts to come around, and settle in.
I admire so much what you are doing for him. Thank you!!
teedie2
12-06-2011, 02:14 AM
This is my favorite thread on WS!!!!! Bless all animals and all animal lovers. Ms. HC, you are a very special person.
LimeCola
12-06-2011, 02:23 AM
Just had to post once more...because TS made me cry. Gracie was chewing her bone, as I posted, so I went over to them, sat between them, and just petted both of them at the same time. Gracie licked my hand, and then my face...and then TS licked my hand...two very tentative swipes of his tongue, but definitely licking and not an accident.
Of course I just cried. He didn't do it a second time, but still...he did it. And that was the sweetest kiss...just the sweetest kiss.
Just thought I'd get that up here, just so you all know...and can smile with me. :)
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Awww! Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I've got tears in my eyes (again). I'm going to take my critters to bed now and remind myself how lucky we all are to have each other.
Oriah
12-06-2011, 05:17 AM
Hi Herding Cats, and bless your heart for taking in this little guy... I know how rewarding it is to see them emerge from their shell. :)
I've been reading the thread and see that you are thinking about introducing him to a walk outside. Be careful (I know you will be!) and make sure he is completely secured by lead and harness, because beagles- even very frightened ones- tend to bolt. And they are FAST!
I also had a thought for you, that has so far helped every timid dog we've ever had.
Play hide and seek. Just you and him (put the other critters up for 15 minutes or so.)
Get down on the ground in front of him, tell him to count to ten, and then turn and crawl away as fast as you can, and hide behind a doorway or somewhere obvious where you can still see him. Then start playing peekaboo, by popping your head around the door, and then hiding again. Be patient- he will likely get up and find you. :)
When he does- laugh, give him a quick scratch, and crawl into another room. He may run back to where he started from (safe place) but no matter- do it all over again. He should get the hang of the game in no time. :)
It's been a really useful tool for us.
Good luck with your sweet boy. It sounds like he's found a home.
Linda7NJ
12-06-2011, 10:03 AM
Linda, I thought that feeding him would be a good idea, like you did for your pup...but T/S refused all bits from my hand, and would not approach the dinner bowl if I was close. So, instead of taking the food away and trying later, I just wussed and gave him his bowl and moved a bit away.
He has also refused all treats from my hand, and actually had refused those in his bowl, too. I don't think he knows what they are. I know he doesn't know what a bone is...I gave Gracie and him a marrow bone, but even watching Gracie, he didn't eat his.
So...there are a lot of little lessons we can work on over time...but I don't want to force anything right now.
BTW, he's gone all day without herbs, and even was so deeply asleep he was snoring. LOL. I have removed the enclosure altogether, and he now has free roam of the house. I am sure he will go exploring once I go to bed, but he's remained on "his" hearth...his back is protected, and he can see most everything from his spot, so he's feeling safe and happy there. I am thrilled he's chosen to remain in the same room as me, and still doesn't seem to be at all coincerned about the cats.
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Awwwww. So sad he doesn't know what treats are, I'll bet that's the next thing he learns;) . It's terrific he's free in the house now. What worked here was after the feedings, I ignored him...didn't take long till he started seeking me out.
With my Doberman he never learned what toys were for, never learned how to enjoy a squeeky toy, ball or stuffed animal, not even a kong stuffed with treats.. He did very quickly learn to enjoy frozen raw marrow bones from the butcher. I would get them cut down to a decent size and throw em in the freezer. They're loaded with protein and excellent for the teeth & gums.
raeann
12-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Hi HCats......you probably already know this, and Oriah referred to it, but beagles do better with a harness rather than a collar when they are on leash. Many/most of them get this choking cough thing when they pull and it is scary to them and to the person holding them. He will probably do fine on the leash just staying in a small area and smelling the scents of the yard for a bit, beagles are outdoor dogs by nature and I am sure before long, he will be sitting at the door begging you to take him for a walk. AND....when he does get comfortable.....Oriah is right....beagles LOVE to bolt anytime they get a chance. Mine is 11 years old and we STILL put the harness on before the door is even unlocked!
belimom
12-06-2011, 10:32 AM
This is my favorite thread on WS!!!!! Bless all animals and all animal lovers. Ms. HC, you are a very special person.
Same here... My 9-yr-old DS wants to be an animal rescuer and loves all creatures, reads about them, etc. He's following this thread with me. So thank you, HC, for painstakingly relaying every detail...! :seeya:
Oriah
12-06-2011, 10:34 AM
Hi HCats......you probably already know this, and Oriah referred to it, but beagles do better with a harness rather than a collar when they are on leash. Many/most of them get this choking cough thing when they pull and it is scary to them and to the person holding them. He will probably do fine on the leash just staying in a small area and smelling the scents of the yard for a bit, beagles are outdoor dogs by nature and I am sure before long, he will be sitting at the door begging you to take him for a walk. AND....when he does get comfortable.....Oriah is right....beagles LOVE to bolt anytime they get a chance. Mine is 11 years old and we STILL put the harness on before the door is even unlocked!
Raeann is absolutely right.
We call it the desire to 'go beagling' around here. ;)
(Oh- they also tend to be kind of nocturnal, HCats!)
Herding Cats
12-06-2011, 11:50 AM
We have a harness that fits, and I absolutely will have him in it, even for the backyard. He needs to learn how to move in it, and he also needs to learn that when we go outside, it is in the harness. He did that backwards sneeze thing, but thankfully I had done a lot of reading and realized what it was...no panic. :)
As for treats, I have those freezedried chicken breast bits, that all my animals believe is crack. Hopefully, he will think that, as well. I may put one in his mouth, and see how that goes.
I *do* use the frozen marrow bones. I went to the butcher shop yesterday, and got a few femurs for Gracie, and got one cut up small enough for him, too. He's not at all sure what to do with them, although he is interested. Just not sure how to chew and/or eat them. But he'll figure it out; Gracie loves "role modeling" that for him...so he'll catch on fairly quick. I hope.
Oriah, the peekaboo game sounds good. I will definitely try it today and see how he responds. I'm not sure he will...he doesn't seem to have a play drive (or it's buried), and it may take quite a few attempts for him to learn how to do it...or, rather, want to do it.
As for the night, it went fine. Nothing unexpected knocked over, and I heard a bit of jingling while I was going to sleep - jingling because of his collar and tag. LOL, that's such a strange noise wen you're half-asleep and not used to it. I discovered a pee spot, and will use the rags I cleaned with to help him start to understand that outside is where they pee...
Other than that, it's a quiet morning here at the Animal House. LOL...its very cold outside (at 8 am, it was still only 36*), so I need it to warm up before I go outside. LOL...
He did make it the whole day without herbs, and I didn't give him any overnight; he's stopped shaking continuously, and even slept sprawled out and snoring yesterday, so he's getting used to being here and being 'free'. He is a loud water drinker (LOL), and is a loud chewer, too, and isn't showing any signs of resource guarding (which is both good and bad...), so he's doing as well as expected for now.
There's the overnight details...nothing unexpected, and that is a good thing at this point.
GO, Little Sweetheart, GO!
And as always, thanks so much for following this thread, and giving us suggestions. He's made nice progress since Saturday, and I can see he wants to do more...he's just not sure what or how to do it. And for all the Darling Kids following this thread, if you have any questions, I'll be happy to try to answer them...just ask your parent to post up, all right?
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Herding Cats
12-06-2011, 02:43 PM
Oh, bless his little heart.
He is going to have a very hard time adjusting to a yard...I harness/leashed him, and took him out front. Sat there with him for easily 10 minutes, and he shook and would only put one front paw down at a time. Shook like a leaf.
We sat there in the sun for a while, feeling the wind, watching the (very quiet) street, listening to the song of the world...and he didn't move except to change which paw was on the ground.
So, I picked him up, and went out back, where Gracie decided to be a football player with me. LOL...Thankfully, I had him on the ground before my very own Refrigerator Perry tried to take me out...LOL. She and I rough-housed for a few minutes, and then I just sort of hung out, watching TS. He never moved there, either. Sitting on the concrete porch out back, he just observed me and Gracie gallavanting around. Although out back, he put both paws on the ground. So that's all right.
He also refused to take a freezedried treat from me, and spit it out when I placed it in his mouth. I'm thinking that placing things in his mouth is something that happened a lot in the lab, so I won't do that again. He wasn't mean about it, but the look on his face was resigned and reproachful...like "you too?"
He did sneak a lick in, on Gracie and then on me...which I see as good. In the dog world, licking is a sign of greeting, so maybe he was greeting us. Or maybe he was asking to be taken back inside.
I took him back inside, and he is laying down on his hearth right now. The good part of all this was, even though he was shaking terribly, he never went to the pant...which I take as a good thing. He was able to tolerate it, even though it was only a few short minutes outside...he must've thought it was eternity.
Well, over time, and with a lot of desensitizing work, he should be all right. Gracie has no problem sharing her space, but she does want to play and roll around with TS outside, and since he's sooo terrified, I don't want that right now. But that will come, too...they are both sharing the living room relatively well, and Gracie does have "inside manners" for the most part, so I think it will be fine in the long run.
Bless hgis heart. This is enough for the day, I think. I'll just handle the peeing and pooping inside, for the time being. He needs to get comfy outside before he will go out there, so we will do these short trips and see what comes of it.
He's already made good progress...and I know he's capable of more. Lots more. Time and space and lovies...and learning that treats are good things. I am not sure how to teach him that, but...well...I will figure it out.
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belimom
12-06-2011, 03:01 PM
Oh, bless his little heart.
He is going to have a very hard time adjusting to a yard...I harness/leashed him, and took him out front. Sat there with him for easily 10 minutes, and he shook and would only put one front paw down at a time. Shook like a leaf.
We sat there in the sun for a while, feeling the wind, watching the (very quiet) street, listening to the song of the world...and he didn't move except to change which paw was on the ground.
So, I picked him up, and went out back, where Gracie decided to be a football player with me. LOL...Thankfully, I had him on the ground before my very own Refrigerator Perry tried to take me out...LOL. She and I rough-housed for a few minutes, and then I just sort of hung out, watching TS. He never moved there, either. Sitting on the concrete porch out back, he just observed me and Gracie gallavanting around. Although out back, he put both paws on the ground. So that's all right.
He also refused to take a freezedried treat from me, and spit it out when I placed it in his mouth. I'm thinking that placing things in his mouth is something that happened a lot in the lab, so I won't do that again. He wasn't mean about it, but the look on his face was resigned and reproachful...like "you too?"
He did sneak a lick in, on Gracie and then on me...which I see as good. In the dog world, licking is a sign of greeting, so maybe he was greeting us. Or maybe he was asking to be taken back inside.
I took him back inside, and he is laying down on his hearth right now. The good part of all this was, even though he was shaking terribly, he never went to the pant...which I take as a good thing. He was able to tolerate it, even though it was only a few short minutes outside...he must've thought it was eternity.
Well, over time, and with a lot of desensitizing work, he should be all right. Gracie has no problem sharing her space, but she does want to play and roll around with TS outside, and since he's sooo terrified, I don't want that right now. But that will come, too...they are both sharing the living room relatively well, and Gracie does have "inside manners" for the most part, so I think it will be fine in the long run.
Bless hgis heart. This is enough for the day, I think. I'll just handle the peeing and pooping inside, for the time being. He needs to get comfy outside before he will go out there, so we will do these short trips and see what comes of it.
He's already made good progress...and I know he's capable of more. Lots more. Time and space and lovies...and learning that treats are good things. I am not sure how to teach him that, but...well...I will figure it out.
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bbm
HC, I agree. Since it was his first time out, he probably didn't know he was going to get to go back in to his hearth, kwim? He was probably thinking - "Where's my safe spot going to be out here? What dangers lurk HERE?"
Now that he went back in - and the more you go out/come in - I think he'll realize that "home" is inside and it's permanent, and that going outside is merely for fun/exploration and not another "move" - like the several moves he's had since being rescued.
You have the patience of Job. Bless you, HC...
Rhyme & Reason
12-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Oh man, I really need to make sure I have a box of kleenex when I check in here. I feel so bad for him.
HC, we cheered you through nursing school and now we are cheering you in the socialization of T/S. Keep on keeping on and telling us about it, please.
Linda7NJ
12-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Awwwwwwwwww. I think you should keep taking him out back a few times daily for a few minutes. He needs to learn that the backyard is safe & now belongs to him too. ( I know you claim to be just "fostering" him...:floorlaugh: I know how that will end:) I strongly urge you to place his poop out there where you'd eventually like him to go.
Just the fact he allowed you to place that treat in his mouth is great! That dog probably thinks he's died and went to heaven!
Herding Cats
12-06-2011, 11:49 PM
I will be taking him out every day, and sometimes, a few times a day. He will, hopefully, become more relaxed and without total fear, and know that inside, where the hearth is, is a place he will come back to...and once he understands that, hopefully, he will learn outside is not necessarily a scary place.
I did put some treats on top of his food tonight, and will continue to do that...maybe if he realizes he eats them, and knows they taste good, and that they're food and not medication, he will also learn how to take them as a reinforcement.
It makes me so sad to know he doesn't know what treats are, what bones are, that outside in a structured environment is good and safe...just breaks my heart.
He is sleeping well, though, and a lot. I'm sure a lot of it is stress release from the amazing journey he's been on, and the good news is he's not needing either herbs or the 'sleeping pills' the rescue sent over with the abx.
Speaking of which, his penis no longer has a discharge, and he is apparently peeing just fine. One bullet dodged there, I think.
I have to figure out what to do about the holidays. I am going up to Oregon for Christmas, but I don't want to move him for the week or so I'm gone. So it will be a pet-sitter here, and I don't know who I can trust for that. I'll talk to the rescue people and see what they think...Gracie can go to bestie's, the cats will be fine with her looking in on them a few times, but TS needs more care than that. So...I will call the rescue and see what they suggest.
Sigh. I feel sooooo bad for this little romeo...I sometimes wonder if I can make the difference for him. I'm sure time and routines and space will work wonders, but still...he's so - not dog like - or even really animal like. If that makes sense. He's just so sad and terrified...I want a magic wand, you know?
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belimom
12-07-2011, 12:41 AM
So WHY is this allowed? This testing...?!? So very sad. We have for years bought products that are 'cruelty free' or does not animal testing, but I'm sure we're not totally working around that (it's so pervasive in industries). I just wish I could do more.
belimom
12-07-2011, 01:20 AM
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Sigh. I feel sooooo bad for this little romeo...I sometimes wonder if I can make the difference for him. I'm sure time and routines and space will work wonders, but still...he's so - not dog like - or even really animal like. If that makes sense. He's just so sad and terrified...I want a magic wand, you know?
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HC... I wanted to add that I believe you are already making a difference for him. You are showing him that he is important and valuable and loved --- and a *dog*. I am sure that with time, bit by bit it will sink in with him and he'll start to understand more. Whatever is inside of him that is able to be unlocked - can be unlocked by you. I firmly believe that.
I wish I lived closer - I'd housesit/dogsit for you over Christmas. But I'm thousands of miles away - plus I don't think my youngest child - my 4-yr-old DD - is what any creature in his situation needs right now anyway - LOL!
((((hugs))))
Herding Cats
12-07-2011, 01:31 AM
So WHY is this allowed? This testing...?!? So very sad. We have for years bought products that are 'cruelty free' or does not animal testing, but I'm sure we're not totally working around that (it's so pervasive in industries). I just wish I could do more.
I am on the fence on this stuff. Yes, there are reasons for lab research/medical animals. But I think that there are a lot of things that are tested which don't need to be..but it's more financially feasible and easier to do it on animals than go through the protocols for humans. And, honestly, safer.
I am **not** defending all the testing; not in the least. But I see the grey of things, and can understand it.
I'm not 'cruelty free' here in my house. But I am trying to find alternatives for some of the things I rely on. I think maybe, that's all we can do...find acceptable alternatives where we can, you know? I am not sure people realize how many household products are tested on animals - cleaners, for example. So I use white vinegar, which is just as good, and far less expensive, and frankly, safer than things like window, oven, and floor cleaners.
And thanks for the offer...I am sure if you could, you would come sit for us. But I'll contact the rescue and see who/what they recommend/have in place. I'm sure something can be worked out, somehow. I have faith! :)
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Dewey2Me1MoThyme
12-07-2011, 01:55 AM
I cried -- especially when I saw those eyes looking at the grass and wondering what it was. No animal should NOT know what grass and freedom feels like.
Bless the rescuers!
Mel
Our female schnauzer, Apple, was a puppy mill breeder before she was rescued. She had been kept in what resembles a rabbit crate for the first four plus years of her life, only removed forcefully for breeding purposes before being thrown back in her confinement once "her job was done".
Even after initial rehabilitation by the schnauzer rescue co-op, she was terrified of so many common things, such as steps, garden hoses, long handled tools, car rides, and yes, even being cuddled. Even now, after loving on her for over 3 years, she is still timid and goes stiff when we pick her up. She still thinks any attention is going to result in some harm to her.
She, along with our two males all have a history of some kind, none of them pleasant. Max and Rustee have pretty much fully rehabilitated to be "normal" dogs, Apple I'm afraid will never let her guard completly down, and it's heart breaking to even think of the life she and her pups had led. That's not to say they aren't spoiled rotten now though. :)
Oriah
12-07-2011, 08:46 AM
Hi Herding Cats,
What is your travel situation like to Oregon for the holidays (fly? drive? bus? train? etc) and what is the environment like once you are there? Is it welcoming of pets?
The reason why I ask is because we have found that sometimes traumatized pups have already bonded to a foster/rescue owner- often before the owner even realizes it- and fare much better with the stress of travel while accompanying their owner, than the stress of being left behind.
Just a thought, and I don't know if it is possible for you- but it has worked for us. (Oh and the rescue org will probably disagree with this advice, so take it or leave it lol!)
Herding Cats
12-07-2011, 11:43 AM
No, Oriah, unfortunately, the situation isn't welcoming to pets. I will be staying at my brother's house, and my dear SIL is allergic to dogs...even though she has three; two are outside only, and the chihuahua is close to hairless. Still, she has to clean well every day, and it's very hard on her. So, no...the place I'm staying is out.
And he would not fare well at bestie's, either. Gracie and bestie's dog (a black russian terrier) are totally in love with each other, and both big, big dogs. Putting TS in that situation would not be good at all...not to mention her little brothers would want to play with him, and he's just not up for that.
I will get it figured out today. I'm really hoping that someone can come stay/visit here, rather than me take him somewhere, because I think he'd be happier here on his hearth than elsewhere...
We'll see what the day brings...
He's tucked up on the hearth right now, relaxing and waiting for breakfast. He pooped a lot last night, so he's got to be feeling better this morning. And once it warms up, we'll be taking a trip outside and seeing the world. I'm sure he's not looking forward to that! LOL.
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belimom
12-07-2011, 12:44 PM
No, Oriah, unfortunately, the situation isn't welcoming to pets. I will be staying at my brother's house, and my dear SIL is allergic to dogs...even though she has three; two are outside only, and the chihuahua is close to hairless. Still, she has to clean well every day, and it's very hard on her. So, no...the place I'm staying is out.
And he would not fare well at bestie's, either. Gracie and bestie's dog (a black russian terrier) are totally in love with each other, and both big, big dogs. Putting TS in that situation would not be good at all...not to mention her little brothers would want to play with him, and he's just not up for that.
I will get it figured out today. I'm really hoping that someone can come stay/visit here, rather than me take him somewhere, because I think he'd be happier here on his hearth than elsewhere...
We'll see what the day brings...
He's tucked up on the hearth right now, relaxing and waiting for breakfast. He pooped a lot last night, so he's got to be feeling better this morning. And once it warms up, we'll be taking a trip outside and seeing the world. I'm sure he's not looking forward to that! LOL.
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bbm
I was reading about the poop when I read this and briefly wondered... HUH?!?
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Herding Cats
12-07-2011, 01:36 PM
Nope, the poop was warm already. LOL. It was 38* at 8 am...so we're sorta waiting until it gets above 50* to go on out. At this rate, however, that will happen about 2 pm. LOL.
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Linda7NJ
12-07-2011, 01:42 PM
How long will you be gone?
raeann
12-07-2011, 04:01 PM
Does a neighbor, friend or relative have a college age son or daughter who will be home for several weeks over the holidays? Often these kids need a place to be off on their own for a few hours a day and might welcome a quiet house to spend some peaceful time on their computer or watch a movie in peace and quiet.....even just to take a nap on a couch to keep your puppy company. This age of kids love the comforts of "home" for a few weeks, but also miss their independent lifestyle, too. They would probably even be willing to sleep over on the couch for a night or two, if you wanted them to do that. Lots of schools/fraternities/sororities etc. require service hours of students......this would certainly be a good experience and well worth counting as community service! They could even come by and spend time with the puppy for a few days before you leave so that they wouldn't be a stranger to him after you are gone.
jmo
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12-07-2011, 07:15 PM
How long will you be gone?
Not very long - 5-7 days. My neices and nephew want me there like, now...but I'll be there no longer than 7 days.
Still waiting to hear from the rescue folks...although, Raeann, I like that idea. I'll have to look around and see what I can come up with. I'm sure, though, that the rescue would prefer to be involved...
As for TS, he has had a rough afternoon. The gardeners came, and I brought Gracie inside. She, being Gracie, wanted to play with him...and stood over him. He growled, I called her off, she didn't listen, and he snapped at her. *Then* she backed off. She is a slow learner sometimes.
He immediately was very apologetic, and had the 'I'm so sorry!' look on his face. I didn't correct him, just put a tone of disapproval in my voice and told him "no". I don't want to correct harshly, although with a snapping dog, I usually do...but he's not in a place where a harsh "no" and removal from the situation would be beneficial (I don't think).
And he hasn't snapped at me, or at the cats. And, he gave Gracie all the time in the world to respect his warning...she didn't. She's NOT hurt, which is good, but I'm very surprised at his snapping.
To be fair, Gracie is the one who "instigated" it. She stood over him, had him "trapped" against the fireplace, and he did tell her to back off. She didn't listen (in fact, her tail was wagging the whole time), and then lifted a paw towards him. I can't be mad at him for defending himself; Gracie is easily 3x his size, and she had him trapped. So I'm not mad...just a bit concerned.
The end of this is, though, that Gracie moved off him, and went and laid down...and nothing else from him at all. As long as she gives him space, they are totally fine...she laid on the rug near him, but not "on" him or the hearth, and he was fine with that. And Gracie didn't snap or growl or do anything other than back off fast when he snapped at her. LOL...she has to learn, I guess...learn her way. She didn't listen to me, didn't listen to him, and got a mad dog in her face for her trouble. LOL.
Still...it's a bit of a concern...not something I'm terribly concerned about, but still...it's a concern. Anyone have any thoughts/ideas?
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Linda7NJ
12-07-2011, 08:00 PM
Not very long - 5-7 days. My neices and nephew want me there like, now...but I'll be there no longer than 7 days.
Still waiting to hear from the rescue folks...although, Raeann, I like that idea. I'll have to look around and see what I can come up with. I'm sure, though, that the rescue would prefer to be involved...
As for TS, he has had a rough afternoon. The gardeners came, and I brought Gracie inside. She, being Gracie, wanted to play with him...and stood over him. He growled, I called her off, she didn't listen, and he snapped at her. *Then* she backed off. She is a slow learner sometimes.
He immediately was very apologetic, and had the 'I'm so sorry!' look on his face. I didn't correct him, just put a tone of disapproval in my voice and told him "no". I don't want to correct harshly, although with a snapping dog, I usually do...but he's not in a place where a harsh "no" and removal from the situation would be beneficial (I don't think).
And he hasn't snapped at me, or at the cats. And, he gave Gracie all the time in the world to respect his warning...she didn't. She's NOT hurt, which is good, but I'm very surprised at his snapping.
To be fair, Gracie is the one who "instigated" it. She stood over him, had him "trapped" against the fireplace, and he did tell her to back off. She didn't listen (in fact, her tail was wagging the whole time), and then lifted a paw towards him. I can't be mad at him for defending himself; Gracie is easily 3x his size, and she had him trapped. So I'm not mad...just a bit concerned.
The end of this is, though, that Gracie moved off him, and went and laid down...and nothing else from him at all. As long as she gives him space, they are totally fine...she laid on the rug near him, but not "on" him or the hearth, and he was fine with that. And Gracie didn't snap or growl or do anything other than back off fast when he snapped at her. LOL...she has to learn, I guess...learn her way. She didn't listen to me, didn't listen to him, and got a mad dog in her face for her trouble. LOL.
Still...it's a bit of a concern...not something I'm terribly concerned about, but still...it's a concern. Anyone have any thoughts/ideas?
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I honestly think it'sa good sign. He's showing some confidence. I once rescued a German Shepard he was 10 months old and 120 pounds. I could not control him at all. I couldn't walk him no matter what I did. So I had contacted my local police department as I knew they were looking for a dog to send off for training in Phila at the state police barracks. He had the prey drive they were looking for but would not defend himself when tied to a tree and threatened, he was actually called a sissy!. They turned him down. He's a police officer now in Hanover Pa, he works narcotics as a drug sniffing dog:great:
They told me confident dogs are easier to train, among other things.. So I would assume they have more where with all to learn new things and be more willing to try new things too:) He wasn't fear biting...he was defending himself.
Herding Cats
12-07-2011, 08:52 PM
I agree, Linda, it's not fear biting...it's defensive snapping (I don't think he made contact - for a big, big girl in a tight space, Gracie is quite agile on her paws...LOL).
I hadn't looked at it as a good indication - thanks for giving me that story. I find it an interesting development - he defines the hearth as "his" space, and worth protecting, and is willing to take the chance against a much bigger dog to defend it. He hasn't defended it from *me*, and I hope he never does...I make it a point to get into his space regularly, with lovies or rearranging the bedding, or bringing food/water, or whatever, so maybe he won't get defensive with me. I hope so, because that would be a big problem, and one I wouldn't know how to begin to address with this particular pup.
Gracie got food-defensive with me. Once. She learned, fast, that Mama don't play dat; that I growl and bite/smack back. LOL. Only the once, and she had been here only a few days. But I don't want to get 'all doggy' on TS...but we will have to learn boundaries at some point.
Meh. Not too worried, like I said...not too worried.
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Mom who cares
12-08-2011, 04:53 PM
Does anyone else find themselves coming to this thread often hoping for updates?
LimeCola
12-08-2011, 05:36 PM
Does anyone else find themselves coming to this thread often hoping for updates?
Every few hours...this is my favourite thread on here :)
neesaki
12-08-2011, 07:07 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/video-rescued-beagle-dogs-experience-sunlight-first-time-221217299.html
In the heartwarming video below, a group of beagles rescued from a research laboratory in Spain experience sunlight for the first time.
made me cry:)
I can't get this to play. Is this available on iTunes?
Linda7NJ
12-08-2011, 07:24 PM
I can't get this to play. Is this available on iTunes?
I don't know, it still works for me. Maybe someone could upload it to YouTube for you if it's not already there? I would...but I don't know how:waitasec:
belimom
12-08-2011, 08:21 PM
I can't get this to play. Is this available on iTunes?
Here's another link to the same video - maybe this will work better for you. :)
Beagle Freedom Project - Second Rescue - June 8, 2011 - YouTube
Herding Cats
12-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Updating...
TS had a hard day today. Something may have happened overnight, but then again, maybe not. All I know is that when I woke and came out, he was sitting in the corner of the heart, not laying down like he's been. I gave a few minutes lovies, and got everyone breakfast. TS refused to eat. No biggie, one meal missed isn't that big of a deal...but he was tense.
Hung out in the same room as he's in most of the morning, just doing normal house things...he never laid down. I finally realized he hadn't peed or pooped since yesterday, so thought that if I took him outside to the front yard and sunshine, and gave a bit of a bladder massage, he'd get the idea and go potty.
Took him outside, and he was again very tense. He did relax a little, and sniffed the grass and the light breeze...but was not comfortable. He still won't walk, so I picked him up, and fed the kitties their lunch. Then I heard this extraordinary noise...turns out, he was peeing while laying down in his bedding. Up went the bedding, and down went new bedding (I'm using fleece blanket throws and towels underneath), cleaned him up a bit, and put him back on the heart. He hasn't laid down on the new bedding since. He looked soooo ashamed, and gave a terrified wag of his tail when I came to get the bedding up...I made sure the wee wee pads were in place, and headed out.
Came home to poop and pee, but also one of the barriers (that are in place for Gracie) had come down with what was likely an almighty crash. And there was both pee and poop on the pads. He doesn't seem to be happy with the 'new' bedding, but he'll get his old blue fleece blankie back in a few minutes; it's in the dryer right now.
Dinner is coming, so hopefully he will eat well and thoroughtly. I am going to dose him with the herbs tonight, too...that does seem to help, and while I haven't used them in two days, I think maybe I need to just give them to him for a few days' running to give him more help in relaxing.
And even though Gracie got snapped at yesterday, she still wants to be his friend. She takes her stuffy and drops it next to him, sits down with him (she's learned to not try to sit *on* him...), and sniffs and licks him. When she is laying on my lap and we're sitting next to him, he will lean waaaay far over and sniff her...as long as she pretends to not notice.
And of course the kitties are doing their best to be friends, too. Malachi, for example, believes it's his job to watch him from the arm of the recliner. Oliver does his best to show him how to eat (well, he's sneaking dog food, but still...). And they both take treats from me right in front of him (along with Gracie), trying to teach him that hand treats are just fine, and in fact a good thing to get.
So that's the update for now. I will update again before we head to bed...bless his beagle heart.
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Reality Orlando
12-09-2011, 09:13 AM
I'm so glad he's with you HC. Another thing you might want to try are the Mellow Mutt chicken strips from Dogswell (cage free Chicken Breast Jerky Treats: Chicken Breast, Vitamin E Supplement, Chamomile, Clover, Lavender, Lemon Balm, Linden Flower, Oyster Shell Flour (Source of Calcium Carbonate). My dogs love the regular ones so if I need to calm them for any type of driving trip, etc. it's easy to get them into them. They are not super strong but do calm them down. Good luck :)
Herding Cats
12-09-2011, 12:23 PM
He's making progress! Not huge, but still...progress.
This morning, when I let Gracie out of the bedroom (she sleeps in a giant pen...kinda like a crate [but I never found one her size], she walked out to say hi to everyone...and this dear sweet romeo-beagle came off his hearth, and met Gracie a few steps onto the rug (huge for him...). Nose to nose they greeted each other, both tails wagging a bit. He was alert, happy, and interested in seeing her...and that was wonderful. She was like "finally! And top o' da mornin to you, too, my friend!"
And...he stayed there when I came over to give him a morning skritch, too! Off the hearth, only a few steps, but huge for him!
He did poop and pee last night, but I've gotten smart about things, and have laid newspapers down under the wee-wee pads, and like I've said before, there's nothing in this house that can't be cleaned. He is now finished with breakfast, and is napping...next to Gracie's stuffy (which she gave to him this morning...).
I did not dose him last night; by the time I went to bed, he seemed to be calmer and more relaxed, so I figured fine...I'll leave it for now. He's in a good mood/place this morning, so hopefully, he can go another day without the herbs. Reality, thanks for that suggestion...I will give it a shot and see what happens, but he really doesn't have any idea what to do with treats or what he percieves as treats. I'd have to give it in his bowl, and likely at mealtimes...but hey, it's worth a shot. I don't like sticking a dropper in his mouth - he takes it just fine, but it seems to bring back memories...so maybe he'll take something from the bowl. We'll see...
Overall, he's doing better. Just a bit better, by a hair or two every day, even with whatever the upset was yesterday. But still, better. And I have to throw out a huge YAY for my kitties; they are totally fine with him...and like I said, two of them (Oliver and Malachi) are doing their best to 'make friends' with him, and it seems to be working.
YAY TS!
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tlcya
12-09-2011, 12:26 PM
I sure hope you don't mind HC, but the last few days of all of us referring to him as TS, has translated into my brain as T.S. Elliot. So now, when I come to check the thread, the thought in my head is T.S. Elliot.
I know you are waiting for his name to appear, but I hope I am not fixated on the Ellliot name by then, lol.
Herding Cats
12-09-2011, 01:58 PM
I sure hope you don't mind HC, but the last few days of all of us referring to him as TS, has translated into my brain as T.S. Elliot. So now, when I come to check the thread, the thought in my head is T.S. Elliot.
I know you are waiting for his name to appear, but I hope I am not fixated on the Ellliot name by then, lol.
LOL, I do the same thing...which, in this household of cats, is probably not too bad a thing. LOL.
Yes, I'm still waiting on a name...I refer to him as my shy romeo, TS, Tobias, Sebastian, and, mostly, "sweet, good boy".
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Oriah
12-09-2011, 02:31 PM
LOL, I do the same thing...which, in this household of cats, is probably not too bad a thing. LOL.
Yes, I'm still waiting on a name...I refer to him as my shy romeo, TS, Tobias, Sebastian, and, mostly, "sweet, good boy".
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Herding Cats... his name is Rum Tum, of course! Tugger for short. And he will not be offended, I promise lol. ;)
Guinevere
12-09-2011, 02:50 PM
Ok I think I'm done crying now....such a sad and happy story all at once!
teedie2
12-09-2011, 03:18 PM
My depreciated 2 cent's worth is Toby. It seems so appropriate for a beagle.
HC, you probably give more thought to naming a pet than a lot of people spend on naming a child. and we all want to help you! LOL
belimom
12-09-2011, 04:08 PM
I sure hope you don't mind HC, but the last few days of all of us referring to him as TS, has translated into my brain as T.S. Elliot. So now, when I come to check the thread, the thought in my head is T.S. Elliot.
I know you are waiting for his name to appear, but I hope I am not fixated on the Ellliot name by then, lol.
That's hilarious - I did the same thing...! I was going to even make a suggestion that she name him "Eliot" but I wasn't sure how much she liked his writings. :crazy:
belimom
12-09-2011, 04:15 PM
LOL, I do the same thing...which, in this household of cats, is probably not too bad a thing. LOL.
Yes, I'm still waiting on a name...I refer to him as my shy romeo, TS, Tobias, Sebastian, and, mostly, "sweet, good boy".
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Our cat's name (well, our former cat... :():
Sake Numi (she was a stray kitten being fed by an elderly lady who passed away, with the initials SK - hence Sake since we wanted to find a way to honor this woman and DH loves sake; and Numi b/c I almost caught pneumonia stalking her for days in the winter until we could catch her, or she was going to starve)
But people told us she looked like a little bear b/c of her coloring.
version 2: Sake Numi Little Bear
DH likes Yogi Bear so he started saying in Yogi's voice, "Hey there, Boo-boo Bear!"
version 3: Boo Boo Bear
version 4 - final version which stuck for years: Boo Boo
We've never had an animal whose name evolved like that before, but Boo Boo suited her so well. Just thought I'd share, since I think it's fine to wait for a name that fits or to change it later. :crazy:
Herding Cats
12-09-2011, 04:54 PM
I am finding it so interesting that his name hasn't appeared. All other animals I've been blessed with have announced their names, and yes, some have morphed over time.
But he doesn't show his personality yet, and I am not going to name him "lump" (which is what he most resembles at this time. LOL...the hearth lump...).
He deserves a good, strong, noble name...he's had such a long, hard life, and has survived soooo much. He needs a name that reflects that, but also fits his personality. He just needs to show me his personality, someday. LOL.
And I'm not complaining. He can take all the time he needs in discovering his name, and showing his personality...he can take all the time he needs.
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Rhyme & Reason
12-09-2011, 05:42 PM
LOL, I do the same thing...which, in this household of cats, is probably not too bad a thing. LOL.
Yes, I'm still waiting on a name...I refer to him as my shy romeo, TS, Tobias, Sebastian, and, mostly, "sweet, good boy".
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Since you keep calling him Romeo, I'm thinking maybe that's his new name LOL
Rhyme & Reason
12-09-2011, 05:49 PM
Ok I think I'm done crying now....such a sad and happy story all at once!
BBM - LOL are you sure about that?
It gives me sad tears & happy tears and every time I think I'm done crying...
Herding Cats
12-09-2011, 09:14 PM
I got a pet/house sitter! The rescue recommended him, and he and I have spoken several times; he'll come over next week and meet everyone...this is outstanding. Yes, he's expensive, but it's last minute, and I'm just happy I don't have to move my sweet boy...
This sweet boy has got to grow a pair, though...I fed everyone, and was missing Malachi (who eats everything, all the time, and is always first at a bowl...). I came out to the living room, only to discover Malachi eating the dog's dinner, kibble and all. And the dog was sitting there, just watching him, not seemingly upset in the least. Cracked me up, that did...of course I moved Mal off the dish, but still...cracked me up. Mal got two dinners tonight, I guess...and will be giving off bad kitty farts for the rest of the night. LOL.
My little sweet boy has gotten his blue fleece back, and he's tucked himself up and is resting happily on it now. Bless his heart...he seems to love that thing, as old and beat up as it is, it's "his" now, I guess. He hasn't finished his dinner (maybe Mal has kitty boogers?), but he will...or Gracie will when she comes in (should be soon now).
So all is well here for the nonce...I just wish he'd take treats...it makes me so sad he doesn't trust anyone enough to take treats, because of all that's obviously been stuck in his mouth over the years...just makes me sad.
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belimom
12-09-2011, 09:41 PM
HC, just curious about the blue fleece. Is that something you gave him, or did he arrive with it from the rescue/foster?
Herding Cats
12-09-2011, 10:05 PM
HC, just curious about the blue fleece. Is that something you gave him, or did he arrive with it from the rescue/foster?
It's one that I gave him when he came here...it was laying on the back of the recliner, and I needed something to pad the hearth...it was right there, so I grabbed it. And he's been laying on it since.
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Rhyme & Reason
12-09-2011, 10:25 PM
I'm so happy you got a sitter!! I'm in Northern Cal & was getting ready to offer to drive down LOL.
Herding Cats
12-10-2011, 09:57 PM
Just a quick update for today: the sweetheart has been very quiet and mellow today, laying on his blue fleece and just observing things. I make it a point to go cuddle him several times a day, and he does accept the cuddles without shaking like a leaf now. He is more responsive to gentle facial strokes than anything else, and gets bothered when I 'lay' next to him. So, I sit next to him and just repeatedly, gently stroke one side of his nose or the other.
Nothing else to report...I am just thrilled he's not shaking constantly anymore, and we haven't had to use the herbs for a few days now. Both of these things are good improvements.
I haven't been insisting he go outside, as he's still so fearful of it. Next week, however, we will start incorporating that into our routine. It's so hard to figure out if I'm pushing things too far, or not hard enough, if that makes sense.
I'll keep muddling along, though.
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belimom
12-11-2011, 03:43 PM
Dropping by to see how our little TS sweetie boy is doing today. :seeya:
tlcya
12-11-2011, 03:47 PM
I know you were up late HC and it was a rough evening. Just hoping that today is going a little better, you must be getting ready for travelling. I hate packing, etc.
I hope TS is doing well today. I am truly amazed at how easily the rest of the household has accepted his addition to the family.
Herding Cats
12-11-2011, 04:25 PM
Yes, TL, it was a rough, rough night. I'm not leaving just yet - another 10 days or so, so...not packing yet (I am not quite that organized. LOL).
But we have BIG GOOD news today. Sweet TS came out, all the way across the living room, to meet Gracie this morning. She had her big stuffy in her mouth, which she sleeps with, and she took it over to his fleece, and laid it down. He was wagging his little tail, standing upright, and looking alert and relaxed...and I stood in the doorway and just watched. It made me grin on a morning that I was not happy to be awake in.
And, I discovered a bone from Gracie's toy box had been taken out, and chewed on...and it wasn't Gracie (although now she likes that particular bone more than any others). It was on the blue fleece, and I somehow doubt any of the cats have suddenly taken a liking to Gracie's bones. LOL...I'm gonna guess it was Sweet Romi's doing.
A bit later, I laid on the floor with Gracie, snuggling my girl, and he approached us, and sniffed her hoo-haw, and then went back and sat there, watching us. So I went over after about 5 minutes, picked him up, and placed him next to me out on the rug, with his front paws on my lap. I proceeded to massage his head, face, and shoulders, and he stayed with me for a few minutes...and then, when he did move, it was only to take his paws off my lap. And glory of glories, he's sniffing at my hand, and I swear, I swear, there was a bit of a nudge when I had stopped stroking his head and just held my hand out. He was asking for more...and I promptly gave it.
As for how everyone's getting along, I like to think I've got well adjusted cats and Gracie...they can withstand another animal, and they know they're still getting all the love and good food they need and want.
I'd like to think that, but the truth is that TS is so unobtrusive that I am sure a few of the kitties didn't even realize he was here for a few days. LOL. Then they figured it out - he's not chasing them, and he's just laying there, so he's nothing more to some of them than another warm thing to investigate when they want to, and since he leaves them alone...well........who knows.
I will say Gracie tried to sit on him again this morning, but he told her off; growled, and she listened to me telling her 'leave it' (she's very good when she's listening...).
So that's the current update...not a bad one at all, I don't think. Not a bad one at all. This week we will work on accepting outside as an alternative...I'm wondering if I should bring him into the backyard with Gracie, since he seems to really like her (and who doesn't like that big fuzz ball??).
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tlcya
12-11-2011, 04:35 PM
Great news! TS is making some really quick strides. Some dogs might never develop the trust TS seems to be quickly finding for you and Gracie and the cat brigade.
belimom
12-11-2011, 06:12 PM
Wonderful news...! :woohoo:
(HC, what kind of dog is Gracie?)
Penelope
12-11-2011, 06:25 PM
IMO it's a good idea to bring him out to the backyard with Gracie. Even before any of my puppies bonded with the older dogs, they liked to go outside and follow them around. I believe puppies model the behavior of the older dogs -- that's how mine learned that you pee and poop outside, etc. Our dogs learn from us, but we cannot forget how important other dogs are for their learning and socialization.
Thank you for keeping us updated. Hugs to you and your four-legged friends for helping precious TS recover from the loneliness and cruelty of his previous life.
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12-11-2011, 08:23 PM
Beli, Gracie is a 1 year old newfoundland who is amazingly gentle and smart, but also about 112 pounds and still loves to get rowdy.
Penelope, I did bring TS out back...but I thought Gracie was being too rough and tumble and TS was totally freaked out, so I brought him back inside. This was earlier last week, though, on like day 2, and he didn't show any interest in the Giant Goofball. He really does like her now, except when she sits on him, so...maybe another attempt at backyard time would yield good results.
She is a huge role model...and like I've said before, is showing TS that cuddling with me is a good thing, and so are bones...because yes, I've determined that he likes bones. He's still very shy of doing things around me, but I was gone for a few hours this afternoon, and the bones were moved again. LOL, and he was sniffing one that is on the carpet instead of his fleece, trying to figure out how to bring it to the fleece; it's a Gracie sized one, after all...
Thanks for the thought, Penelope...I think I will give him some backyard time...supervised, of course, but still...a bit of exposure and investigation with Gracie (she soooo wants to have him outside with her).
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tlcya
12-11-2011, 08:33 PM
OT and I apologize, but have me in your thoughts next week.
It appears that we are going to be taking in a three year old female bull mastiff named Molly. A friend of DH's is going bankrupt and must find a place for his two bull mastiffs to go. They have been "shop" dogs. Whether we take Molly or not is dependent upon whether she seems socialized enough for me to be comfortable bringing her into our home with our children. She seems very friendly and eager for attention. The test will be when she is introduced to the kids.
I know that Bear (the Great Pyrenees) will welcome her and the doggy company she will provide. he's a big old goobery lover. I am unsure if she has ever been exposed to a cat before (we have two very independent indoor/outdoor cats)
This is a huge undertaking as Molly has lived her entire life so far in a dog run at a commercial construction shop. It is not one I am taking lightly. She is a big big girl and I already have one big big boy to wrangle. I really want to help this girl out and give her the family she has never had, but I would be irresponsible if I did not have some trepidation.
Anyway, as animal folks, I knew you would understand what I am trying to say and would wish me luck with this possible new family member. If Molly does indeed seem to be coming home to us I will start a thread in the pet corner to ask for all your wonderful advice in getting her situated.
belimom
12-11-2011, 09:03 PM
Thinking of Molly and TS Romi this next week.... ((((hugs))) to all of you!
(OT - As a child, I brought home every animal I saw. I had mini-funerals for caterpillars on the side of the road. I had turtles, frogs, dogs, a pony. My granny lived on a farm and had chickens, cows, horses, pigs. All I ever wanted was to live on a farm and have dogs and horses everywhere.
Yet, here I sit, in a 2BR apartment in the DC metro area --- with no yard at all. We have one small dog and two dwarf bunnies. We've had two cats in the past but are catless right now.
We're house-hunting again and I've decided that I want to move further out so we can afford a house with a yard. In town, that about be $400,000+, for 3BR. Inside the beltway, $500,000+. We can't swing that. But this thread and other things like The Gentle Barn are making me really want to live further out of town and get a yard. I'd love some acreage but, yeah, that will have to wait until we one day when don't live in such an expensive area. The further out we go, the commute for DH to work (and me, when I'm working) grows exponentially.
But after the anxiety/depression I've had, I want to really think about what's important, since I think letting go of hopes/dreams are part of the reason folks get apathetic about life and consequently depressed. I gave up a lot of myself when I moved here to be with DH. And now I'm starting to realize that, as we're entering midlife, I want to fill my life with meaningful things. Including animals... So, thanks for listening... And wish us luck as we look for an affordable home with a yard that's not too far out from the city.)
Herding Cats
12-11-2011, 10:09 PM
TL, I will be holding you and Molly in my thoughts and prayers, as will all my critters. If I can help in any way, please don't hesitate to contact me...
Beli, my dream home is 10-15 acres in Oregon...a big barn, lots of pasture for the horses, an indoor arena to ride in during the rain, and lots and lots of critters...maybe being able to open a branch of a rescue place for horses from the race track, or something like the Gentle Barn...just open the place wide for all those needing some TLC and some quiet, restful rehabilitation.
I will get that someday; it will have to be close enough to a population center so I can work, but I don't mind commuting too much; it allows me 'think' time...but not too long.
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tlcya
12-11-2011, 10:14 PM
I will keep you in my thoughts beli, in hopes that the perfect little place make itself known to you. I know you are a bit cramped right now with the 2BR apartment setting. you are not an apartment person.
Guinevere
12-11-2011, 10:30 PM
BBM - LOL are you sure about that?
It gives me sad tears & happy tears and every time I think I'm done crying...
As long as I dont watch the video I'll be ok. Can not stand watching the videos or seeing the photos of abused animals :(
My past two dogs have been rescue adoptions. Difficult at first and each with their own personalities and "phobias". Takes some work but feels so good knowing I was able to help a few.
Oriah
12-12-2011, 05:33 AM
OT and I apologize, but have me in your thoughts next week.
It appears that we are going to be taking in a three year old female bull mastiff named Molly. A friend of DH's is going bankrupt and must find a place for his two bull mastiffs to go. They have been "shop" dogs. Whether we take Molly or not is dependent upon whether she seems socialized enough for me to be comfortable bringing her into our home with our children. She seems very friendly and eager for attention. The test will be when she is introduced to the kids.
I know that Bear (the Great Pyrenees) will welcome her and the doggy company she will provide. he's a big old goobery lover. I am unsure if she has ever been exposed to a cat before (we have two very independent indoor/outdoor cats)
This is a huge undertaking as Molly has lived her entire life so far in a dog run at a commercial construction shop. It is not one I am taking lightly. She is a big big girl and I already have one big big boy to wrangle. I really want to help this girl out and give her the family she has never had, but I would be irresponsible if I did not have some trepidation.
Anyway, as animal folks, I knew you would understand what I am trying to say and would wish me luck with this possible new family member. If Molly does indeed seem to be coming home to us I will start a thread in the pet corner to ask for all your wonderful advice in getting her situated.
Good thoughts are with you, tlcox, and bless your heart for trying to help.
Gosh- and I know you know this this, but watch her- especially with the kids and cats.
We had one rescue (it was a shepherd, but came from the same type of situation, 'shop' dog) that killed one of our cats in about 10 seconds- while we were watching her like a hawk may I add. :(
Small things that move fast kicks in that instinct- and they can be hurt so easily.
(That said- every other dog we've ever taken in has been a big 'ole children and cat lover!)
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12-12-2011, 12:52 PM
It's raining outside, so Gracie and TS are in the living room...he on his fleece, she on the rug. Cats are snuggled into niches and beds, and I have to say, this is a sweet moment. Gracie just stretched her toes out, let out a huge sigh, and is relaxing, and TS is quiet and sleepy...and it's all just so neat.
Just thought I'd mention that.
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Mom who cares
12-13-2011, 02:47 PM
Where are you Herding Cats? We are starving for an update:)
Snick1946
12-13-2011, 03:57 PM
I adopted a shelter cat from the Humane society that had apparently spent three years in a basement after purchase from a pet shop. I will never forget taking her outside for the first time; she stared fixedly at the sky for several minutes. Within a few days she was chasing birds and bugs and climbing trees. Sorry for all the other poor animals who dont get a break..
teedie2
12-13-2011, 05:54 PM
Where are you Herding Cats? We are starving for an update:)
hahaha! Herding Cats has created a monster, hasn't she? Collectively, I mean ... all of us. Hope she doesn't forget to feed us our daily report. :)
Herding Cats
12-13-2011, 10:39 PM
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry.
TS is doing all right; he's in better shape than when he got here, but still has a long, long way to go. I had the pet-sitter come in today to meet the herd and TS, and to see how things operate around here. He's pretty nice, and seems to be very interested in helping socialize/rehab TS. I am more comfortable now leaving for a week, knowing that TS doesn't need to be moved, and the person coming will be competent and decent and very, very kind to TS. :) YAY!
The newest thing I'm doing with TS is I'm sitting next to him, and lifting him into my lap for lovies. I do NOT restrict him in any way; if he wants to leave, he is more than welcome to do so. Last night, however, he chose to not leave...and just stayed, not sitting but leaning, back onto me while I stroked from top of head to tail. I sat there, watching television, and just trying to put as much love and comfort into my hands as I could possibly do, and we stayed there for close to 30 minutes. He even nudged my hand for more when I stopped for a few moments. LOL.
He was shaking and scared of the petsitter, but both the petsitter and I expected that. After all, TS doesn't know this guy, and does not trust that he's all right at all yet. Bless his beagly heart.
It was raining a lot yesterday, so Gracie was on 'rain day' priviledges, meaning she was inside most of the day. She and TS got to do a lot of learning about each other, and at times, it was a tad chaotic, but it all worked out.
Other than that, nothing really new. It's more of a holding pattern now, just continuing and creating routines for him to begin to rely on...and of course, giving him lots of time for lovies and to relax.
Thanks so much for being here for him...he's a dear, and I whispered he has a fan club to him, but he didn't quite understand that. LOL...but he will, he will.
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belimom
12-14-2011, 12:46 PM
HC, thanks for the update!
FYI, have you thought any more of asking the mods to move this to the private forums? With you posting about leaving for vacay, etc., and all the publicity these pups have gotten, you may want to consider it, in case someone puts it all together and figures out where you live, etc...:seeya:
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12-14-2011, 03:19 PM
Good idea, Beli. I'll alert a mod.
But...oh my word, peeps. This little boy has had a huge morning...went outside in the backyard with Gracie, and while Gracie was just being a big goofy puppy and trying to roll him around, he did very well...
I left the leash dragging (as I was supervising), and brought Grace to me for some lovies and training. I put him into a spot in the sun, and, while hanging with Grace about 20 feet away, I watched him discover the back yard.
He sniffed the perimeter twice - all the way around, nose to the ground. Sniff, sniff, sniff. He was very interested in a few spots (Gracie's preferred potty areas), tail was up; he was interested! Yes, he was also quite scared, but he'd keep looking over at me and Gracie, and then tool on off to a new spot to sniff.
I am not sure he wasn't looking for a weak spot in the backyard, and Gracie did get herself snapped at (and she did deserve it), and there were some seriously 'scary moments' encountered (the trashtruck in the alley, e.g.), and while I can't call this a total success, I'm thinking TS is pretty dratted brave and did enjoy his outing, at least a little bit.
He did not walk on the leash, but did come when I approached him, squatted, and called him (I was a few feet away). And Gracie was trying to help take care of him, because she took his leash and pulled a few times. LOL. She really was just trying to show him how to move while on a leash, and she's done this before with Tango's lead...so she's just being Gracie. But still, it was hysterical to watch. And, I set TS down by the back door, and opened it...Gracie grabbed his leash, and walked through the door. He did not follow, and Gracie started to 'insist'/tug, so I intervened. But still...cracked me right up.
Oh, I'm so proud of this little guy. He's coming along...he really is. GO, TS Romeo, GO!
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Rhyme & Reason
12-14-2011, 05:18 PM
That's awesome HC!! Just awesome!
tlcya
12-14-2011, 08:29 PM
That is so cute, I love that Gracie (smart girl that she is) took the lead and the leash and tried to show TS what was what.
ScubaTwinn
12-15-2011, 11:58 AM
Wow! I don't come here often but I did see this thread when it was originally posted. Now today I am wondering "WHY are there 6 pages about the rescued beagles? Did something go horribly wrong?" This was one of the best surprises I've ever had in my life. I can't believe I read all 6 pages at once and still kept it together to post. Thank you Herding Cats!
Mom who cares
12-15-2011, 12:27 PM
ScubaTwinn, welcome back to the TS Romeo fan club!
Herding Cats
12-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Just quickly updating - have a lot to get done today...
He's doing well. He and the cats continue to make friends, and I've watched Malachi join TS Romeo and steal the food from the bowl right out from under TS' nose. LOL.
I will be doing an outside session later today, but for now, he's stretching out (which is new) on the hearth, and has been snoozing away all morning.
In other words, he's learning to relax. On a comfy fleece. With cats. And the occasional Gracie-bomb. LOL.
More tonight after snuggles and outside time...
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SuziQ
12-15-2011, 02:43 PM
That is so cute, I love that Gracie (smart girl that she is) took the lead and the leash and tried to show TS what was what.
Hey, how is your new pup doing?
tlcya
12-15-2011, 08:34 PM
Not here yet, we may take the kids to go meet her tomorrow, DH has been working days and nights trying to finish some big jobs so time has been limited.
If all goes well, she may be here to provide comic relief during HC's absence, heaven on ly knows we are all gonna go through TS withdrawals. :)
Herding Cats
12-15-2011, 11:05 PM
Updating...
It's been a rough, hard day. A sudden, violent thunderstorm rolled through, and it was insanity here for a while. I've given TS some herbs to restore some sense of calm, but he's just sitting here, still shaking, although the clouds have gone.
Gracie, at each rumble of thunder, would tear around the house, barking and growling at the ceiling. The cats alternatively hid, or tried to escape the thunder by flying around looking for new hiding places.
The plumber came this morning, too, and set the whole house on edge with the rooter-thingy. And before the storm, I was at the barn with the equine dentist, holding horses' heads and murmuring sweet nothings in their ears while they were sedated and worked on.
It's been quite an eventful day. TS has not eaten dinner (and shows no inclination to do so), and I had planned on getting some Christmas shopping done...but the storm came through, and put the ki-bosh on that. And it's cold now, too...like really cold. 42* at 8 pm. Gonna hit freezing for sure tonight. And it's supposed to be windy again tomorrow and Saturday...
Ah well. Just another day in the life...right?
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belimom
12-16-2011, 12:10 AM
((((hugs)))) to HC and the HC Family.
:beagle: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZZwn0RI8c5omyjSFKCr_PLNCr8tw3C 7DajXFv8df_7gzEUtfDAw
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Herding Cats
12-16-2011, 12:39 AM
Thank you, Belimom. It's days like this I wonder what the heck I was ever thinking, adopting all these critters. LOL.
The good news is it seems to have calmed down in here somewhat. TS actually ate his dinner, the cats have stopped trying to learn to fly, and Gracie has agreed that laying sprawled out on the floor, heaving deep sighs, is a good option to being outside in the cold.
I will be heading to bed, but am a tad worried...apparently, there may be more thunderstorms overnight, and like I said before, the wind is forecast to get to blowin' hard tomorrow, but start at about 3 am(ish). So who knows if I'll get much sleep. And tomorrow, I have to get the rest of my holiday shopping completed, and start getting ready for my vakay...
Some days. I tell ya, some days.
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belimom
12-16-2011, 09:10 AM
Wondering how the stormy night went... Hope everyone has calmed down.
Herding Cats
12-16-2011, 11:52 AM
Actually, Beli, when I finally got into bed (around 1ish), the house had settled decently. I heard no thunder, and there is no evidence of new rain or storms sneaking through during the night. No fresh kitty claw marks, and nothing out of place (well, more than usual, I suppose). So apparently we all managed the night well.
As for today, it's outside time, finish Christmas shopping, and lots of housework. LOL...and yes, winds. I'm hoping that the winds stay mellow, as right now they're not bad at all. But it's predicted to blow much harder, so we'll see.
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LimeCola
12-16-2011, 12:36 PM
If thunderstorms are a problem for dear little T/S, you might want to try the "Thunder Shirt". You can buy them in pet stores or order them online - just need the measurements of your dog.
We have a very timid Boston Terrier who was terrified of thunder. He used to shiver and try to hide behind the toilet whenever there was a storm. Even prescription sedatives didn't work well for him.
I was skeptical about the shirt, but we had thunder last night and as soon as I put it on him (after finding him hiding), he started playing with his toys. His tail was up, he was running and playing...just amazing.
Have you ever seen the movie about Temple Grandin? I think the shirt uses her theory that tight pressure around the middle is calming. Same as tightly swaddling newborn babies.
Just thought I would share this with you in case thunder is an issue for your new charge.
raeann
12-16-2011, 10:12 PM
Don't know of a better place to post this.... baby and puppy lovers enjoy!!!
http://www.godvine.com/Laughing-Baby-and-Excited-Dog-Will-Make-Your-Day-773.html
Herding Cats
12-16-2011, 11:37 PM
Just quickly updating...I thought I had posted this earlier, but it apparently didn't stick.
I was tired from all the activity from last night, and the morning fighting the computer virus I got. So, I went ahead and decided to take a nap. I hadn't spent any snuggle time with little TS Romeo, so...I picked him up and took him to bed.
I had no hope he'd stay there. And he was shaking so badly that I thought I might have to break down and take him out of the room, and maybe even give him some herbs. I mean, his ears were trembling...
But instead, I just lay there, curling around him as he sat straight up, stiff as a board. I stroked from head to tail, gently, slowly. And he started to relax. He laid down, although was still trembling, and it wasn't a 'relaxed' lay down, if that makes sense...more of a 'if I get smaller, no one will notice me' kind of thing.
Somehow, I drifted off...and when I woke, he was stretched out, his bottom tucked up against my back, and sleeping. I laid there for a while, just enjoying him and his warmth, and the fact that he didn't flee the bedroom the moment I wasn't looking.
And, Eeyore (one of the cats) was snuggled up against me, same side, down by my legs. Not touching sweet Romeo, but indeed, near enough to show me that there is very little concern between him and the dog...which makes me thrilled.
Just thought I'd share that. Of course, TS Romeo is back on his hearth, snuggled down on his fleece, and Gracie is chewing on a giant marrow bone; the cats, having had dinner, are all in their respective spots and grooming or sleeping. LOL...it's somewhat calm tonight, even though the wind is blowing...just calm and quiet and restful.
And I'm so proud of this little guy. He's working so hard to adjust and to overcome his deep, deep insecurities and anxiety. Working soo hard. Go, little guy!!
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Rhyme & Reason
12-17-2011, 01:12 AM
HC, can you have your sitter create a WS login so he can update us while you are gone LOL!! I don't know what I'm going to do without these daily updates!!!
Herding Cats
12-17-2011, 01:29 AM
LOL, R&R...I'll be getting updates, I think, so if anything happens, I'll post. I don't think there will be much happening, though, because it will be a big change, not having Gracie here and having the sitter instead of me. Not sure how that will go, but if anything happens, I'll be sure to update. I promise.
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Mom who cares
12-17-2011, 08:46 PM
After a great day with my family celebrating Christmas, and coming home to see that TS Romeo actually slept by you, my heart is melting with joy. What a beautiful day.
Herding Cats
12-18-2011, 12:56 AM
Nothing new to report. Spent most of today out Christmas shopping, and it's been off-and-on raining, so no outside time. We did share a cuddle, though...he's doing his best to come out of his shell...it's just a very, very thick shell, you know? He's working on it...and so am I. He still stays on the heart nearly all the time (I think he roams a bit when I'm not here), but he's relaxing enough that he's sleeping on his side now, which, while a small thing, is a good step forward. He also allows me moments where I can do tummy rubs, but gently, without flinching away. He's trying SOOOO hard...
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tlcya
12-18-2011, 07:18 PM
DH just took kids and I over to meet Molly. She is such a doll. She was just so pleased to have company and attention that she was almost dancing for it. If you have ever seen a 175 pound Bull Mastiff dance you know what I am describing.
Oh my goodness, she is a tank!
First impressions: She is a big sweetheart. She is so ready for lovin. She could not get enough of pats and pets and lovies from the kids. We met her through the fence where she is located in a run at a concrete contractor's shop. She kept lifting her left paw and trying to prompt more attention and love anytime someone stopped petting her. She is between 2 and 3 years old. She is not spayed so that will be necessary. I have no wish to be breeding dogs so it will need to be addressed when she comes home with us.
Yes I said when. Still not sure how she and Bear will react to one another but both seem easy going and she has been penned with Harley (the 12 yr old Bull Mastiff) for her whole life so she is familiar with coexisting with another dog. Bear does well when exposed to other dogs so I am hopeful they will coexist happily.
I am a little less sure abut how Molly will react to the cats. Not sure she has ever even seen one up close let alon cohabitated with two, lol. We shall see. Thinking about bringing Molly home in the next few days.
Wish I could do more for Harley. he is 12 and set in his ways. Not a good fit for my home. He also has some health/age issues. He may end up being euthanized. That hurts but I know my home is not the right one for him. I can only do what I can do.
Herding Cats
12-18-2011, 07:54 PM
You can only do what you can do, TL...and if that means Molly gets a home, then you've already done far more than you realize. And of course it hurts about Harley; you wouldn't be you without it hurting.
Molly, though, has her whole life ahead of her, and she sounds ready for some good times. I am glad you've discovered her, and that she is going to be getting a place to stay. Let me know how to help with the cats; I have one or two tricks I've used, and am more than willing to share them.
Merry Christmas, Molly!
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Herding Cats
12-18-2011, 10:05 PM
Nothing new or interesting to report...same as yesterday. Just working on touch and security and whatnot...
(Thought I should post before someone asked for the update. LOL...)
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belimom
12-18-2011, 10:52 PM
TL - thanks for sharing. Can't wait to hear more about Molly...! And HC, thanks for the update, even if it's just a brief one. :)
ScubaTwinn
12-22-2011, 07:57 AM
No posts since Sunday. Am I the only one suffering withdrawls? :)
Mom who cares
12-22-2011, 09:54 AM
ScubaTwinn, I am experiencing severe T/S Romeo withdrawal!!
belimom
12-25-2011, 03:12 AM
Thinking of you tonight, little TS Romeo... I hope Santa is good to you and that you have a peaceful and joyous New Year. You deserve it. I know that Herding Cats is away so I'll tell you something in secret: trust her. Let her love you. And love her back. She, Gracie, and the herd are there for you and really want you as a part of their family. You just need to open your beagly heart to them... Go for it.
Herding Cats
12-26-2011, 09:50 PM
Hi, guys. Short update...I'm not home (will be tomorrow), and despite the good care and comfort of the pet sitter, TS Romeo has had a rough go of it. I am hoping that once Gracie and I get home, he'll feel better...the sitter has had to use the herbs almost continuously, even just to get Romi relaxed enough to pee and poop.
I'm hoping that tomorrow, I will post that the little beagle was so happy to see me and Gracie that he wagged his tail...
Nothing that I did't expect, but still, makes me sad, and more eager to get home (I am somewhat lonesome for my crazy animal house...fine, more than lonesome. I miss them awfully!!). I'll be very happy to get home tomorrow...very happy, indeed.
K, gotta go...will update more tomorrow late evening.
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Mom who cares
12-27-2011, 12:50 PM
Romi..... I love it! What a great beagly name!
Herding Cats
12-27-2011, 11:36 PM
OK, full update.
Bless his little heart, he was very shy of me when I first came in...of course, I dropped bags and coat and was being "loud" (not really, but to him it must've been deafening), so he sat on the hearth and watched me for a time.
Gracie was being Gracie, and goofing around, just happy to see me, and of course, I'm terribly happy to see her, too...lots of hugs and kisses from the both of us to the other, and then I moved to Romi...he let me love on him, kiss his nose, stroke his chest, stroke his back, and then decided to sniff at me a bit happily. Gracie came and tried to sit on him, but he didn't do much more than sniff her. LOL. She decided to not sit on his head, and instead, tried to get into my lap, so I repositioned myself and her, and the three of us sat/laid there and sort of coo-d at each other - a hand on each head, a nose kiss back and forth, and then, the barest, fastest flick of a tongue from Romi on my elbow...
He's now finished dinner, and is laying, relaxed and as content as he's been, laying on his hearth, head facing me, and just drowsily staring at me.
I am happy, happy, HAPPY to be back home with the herd...the dogs, the cats, the craziness...I've missed everyone so much...just so much. The pet sitter was wonderful, and I will absolutely use him again when I need to, but it is good for me to be home, and good for Romi to have me here (and the rest of the critters...).
I am exhausted. Just whipped, whipped, whipped. I am going to get into my jammies, and just relax for a time, and then head to bed...probably the first night's solid sleep in a week...I am so needing my own bed, my own "nest", and my own critters around me tonight. My heart just needs that so much.
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What a wonderful "reunion" story. Sounds like Romi is settling in with you a bit more.
belimom
12-27-2011, 11:50 PM
What a wonderful "reunion" story. Sounds like Romi is settling in with you a bit more.
:heartbeat:
Rhyme & Reason
12-28-2011, 01:38 AM
Whew! I don't know who's more relieved that you are home...me or you!! LOL
Sweet dreams for you and the herd :)
ScubaTwinn
12-28-2011, 06:56 AM
I really needed this news this morning! I am so glad he did so well.
Oriah
12-28-2011, 10:35 AM
Six or seven threads on a rescued beagle (with a rescued bull mastiff thrown in for good measure ;) ) is heaven for me.
We all need the kindness of humanity these days... and I am so happy to find it here, admidst WS'ers. What better way to adjust the universe!
SondraK
12-28-2011, 12:34 PM
Have read every post in this thread....cried, laughed, and enjoyed every minute. From a five furry friends rescuer to all of you. Thank You... Keep the updates coming. You will be blessed.
Herding Cats
12-28-2011, 12:50 PM
The pet sitter was really great. All the critters were in great shape, and not clingy when I got home (which usually indicates that enough attention was given while I was gone). While I did sleep under a pile o' kitties, and listened to Gracie snoring, I was so happy to be home and surrounded by my fuzzballs.
Romi (which seems to be what his name is, Romeo or some version thereof...) needed his bedding changed last night, and he was not at all happy about that. I was too tired to get it out of the wash last night, but he's now snugged down on his blue fleece, warm from the dryer, and happy. He's such a sweet dog...wants to love and be loved in return so much. He just doesn't know how, and doesn't trust that he will be loved back. I'm pretty sure he's glad I'm home, and that he can stare at me for hours. LOL. I've already done the "morning lovies", and he seems to be quite content at the moment, no shaking, no nervous behavior...just laying there, kind of sleeping, head on a bunch of my laundry (left there while I was gone...it has my scent on it), and just kinda lookin' at me through heavy lids.
We are going to have one "adjustment" day, where he gets used to me being home, and then we are going to start working on grass, sun, potty, and whatever else we can think of. I'd so love for him to learn that treats taken from the hand are pleasurable, you know? Just would love it. I'm figuring so much has been put into his mouth that was not pleasant, that he just doesn't think it's a wise idea. Maybe, with time and repeated offerings, he'll learn that from some folks, treats are good.
I've got some housework to tend to today, so I'd better get going. Hope everyone has a great day with their fuzzballs! (And I want a Molly update, too!)
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Rhyme & Reason
12-28-2011, 01:54 PM
Six or seven threads on a rescued beagle (with a rescued bull mastiff thrown in for good measure ;) ) is heaven for me.
We all need the kindness of humanity these days... and I am so happy to find it here, admidst WS'ers. What better way to adjust the universe!
Here's another WS'er rescue Oriah, if you haven't seen this already! Awesome story & great job by Spurser for saving this dog!
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
ETA: You've been to that thread Oriah, so for anyone else here who hasn't seen it, it's another great story..
Herding Cats
12-28-2011, 09:06 PM
Guess who's on the sofa with me? Not a feline. Not a big black Newfie. Nope, just a very shy, scared, and surprised beagle. LOL.
I had to change his bedding again - he had spilled his water and it soaked everything on that side of things. So, I picked him up, and put him on the sofa about 10 minutes ago.
He's still here...and has stopped shaking. He was totally terrified at first, and doing the "don't hurt me" tail-wag and massive trembling. But now, he's laying out, head hanging off the side, watching Gracie (who joined him on the sofa for a while), and is no longer shaking.
I am going to try to make it a point to get him away from the hearth for periods of time during the day, because I don't want him to rely on that spot forever as a security zone. I think it may be time to start pushing the edges of the envelope just a bit at a time, and see if I can't help him break through. Besides, I'm going to want a fire in the fireplace again, and don't want to light one when he's there, so...well...time to start working on it. :)
Just thought I'd let you know he's on the sofa, and seeming to enjoy himself a bit...and this is nice.
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teedie2
12-28-2011, 10:17 PM
I'm so glad for you that Romeo is not one of those furbabies who pees when he gets nervous! :)
Herding Cats
12-28-2011, 10:32 PM
I'm so glad for you that Romeo is not one of those furbabies who pees when he gets nervous! :)
Right? LOL. No, he likes to pee and poop when he's alone...privacy, if you please...
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ScubaTwinn
12-29-2011, 06:51 AM
This is just awesome. It's apparent you know what you're doing and to hear how he's progressing (or holding back) is insight to a world I have never known. Thank you so much for sharing your life with us.
Oriah
12-29-2011, 09:00 AM
Herding Cats,
Re: the taking treats from hands issue...
We had a rescue years ago who had been badly abused. He would take a kibble out of his dish one by one, and place them in the corner of the kitchen under a table (his safe spot.) Wouldn't take a treat OR food from our hands. We tried cheese, hamburger, you name it.
You know what worked?? Picking up his food, leaving a trail of it to him and then getting down and crawling toward him, eating the treats. (Yes, I know- gross, lol!) We would get up close to him and then make a big to-do about chewing, from hand to mouth etc- and while he did spit them out for a little while..after about a week he was taking treats, eating, swallowing, and enjoying. :)
Well it's worth a try anyway, lol!
Herding Cats
12-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Oriah, can I cook the burger first? LOL...
I'm not shy about trying whatever it takes...not shy at all. It just has to be edible and not make me barf. That would kinda blow the purpose of the exercise, yanno? LOL.
He and Gracie had a great night. She is still so tired from her week at bestie's, so she wasn't playing (mis)guided missle, and just laid down on one side of me, put her head in my lap, and let Romi sniff her to his heart's content. He wags a lot when she's inside, the real wag, not the scared wag...he's happy to see her, and does enjoy spending time with her (as long as she's not trying to sit on his head...). Big change from the snapping/growling he had been doing; shows me he's getting comfy and somewhat sure of his space, at least. LOL.
We will start potty work today, in the side yard. And we will also do some backyard work with him too. It will be interesting to see how that goes...but it's definitely time to start the potty work. It would be so much easier if he took treats, but we'll still work on it for sure.
Scuba, I honestly don't know what I'm doing with dogs. Horses and cats, yes, but dogs? I'm flying by the seat of my pants, letting him do a lot of the directions and giving me all the clues...I just have to be aware of him and watch what he's doing and how he's reacting...and then take a wild guess as to what it means. LOL...lots of WAGs, you know?
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Oriah
12-29-2011, 01:13 PM
Lol! Are you a vegetarian, Herding Cats?
Try M&M's or peanut butter. And you know what they really love? Itty bitty frozen buckeyes. Just no dark chocolate and easy on the amount. ;)
Glad Romi is getting on well. Keep up the good work.:)
Herding Cats
12-29-2011, 01:20 PM
Maybe some peanut butter...I'm so leary of chocolate, dark or otherwise. And what is a buckeye? I'm not sure he'd like frozen peas...
And NO to the vegetarian part...I'm Irish, live on meat and potatoes, and think that the best dinner in the world is a corned beef brisket with cabbage, onions, and potatoes!
I'll give it a try...we are going to go give the backyard a whirl, and see what's up with that. Right now, he's snoring happily on the hearth, but I'm gonna wake him and go play with Gracie...
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Herding Cats
12-29-2011, 01:56 PM
OH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
I had to carry him outside, but once there, he went running around, tail up, nose down - beagling, in other words. Just trotting around, sniffing things, touching base with Gracie and me, and then tootling off to the next nose-catching place.
And, he found a spot to PEE!! And it was a good pee, too...not just a territory thing, but a real pee. And then he pee'd a second time, too. Gracie tried to play tag, and he declined, so I called her over, and she came barreling at me...and lo and behold, so did Romi.
Lots and lots of praise, petting, and coo-ing at him...I'm just thrilled. Just THRILLED!
Gracie and he are back inside; Gracie holding down the floor in the living room, and Romi exploring the den. I only carried him back inside, and put him down on the floor in there - he needs to learn how to walk here and there without me carrying him, you know? And he's busy exploring the den (and hanging out by the door...he may want to go outside again, which is very, very cool...).
I'm thrilled. Such a change from the trembling, stone standing boy that we had last time...I'm just so proud of him...he's coming along indeed!
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Penelope
12-29-2011, 02:33 PM
Oh Herding Cats-- I am so happy for you and Romi! Sounds like he is starting to come out of his shell and interact with the world. Please continue to keep us posted as this story counterbalances all of the negative stories we are faced with on a daily basis.
:o)
ScubaTwinn
12-29-2011, 03:10 PM
HURRAY! And yes, I'm shouting!
Herding Cats
12-29-2011, 03:47 PM
HURRAY! And yes, I'm shouting!
Me too, although not too loudly, because loud noises still startle him. I will admit to a face-splitting grin, and a tear in my eye...he really enjoyed his outside time today (and even ate a leaf. LOL), and I am beginning to hope he'll be able to be outside unsupervised with Gracie at some point in the next few weeks (or maybe even days...).
He's back on the hearth, snoring away. Seems the outting tuckered him. LOL. But it was soooooo great to see him just wagging his tail, happy to be out there, sniffing and peeing and just being a dog. How very, very cool.
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Rhyme & Reason
12-29-2011, 07:14 PM
HURRAY! And yes, I'm shouting!
Me too!!!!!
Herding Cats
12-30-2011, 11:51 AM
Catching you all up...
Romi and I did another backyard great adventure yesterday evening, and he pee'd again. He also seemed to really enjoy the backyard, as long as Gracie was around. Again, I brought him over the threshold to the den, and then let him go. He seemed to be very unnerved about exploring more territory, and didn't come out of the den, even when dinner was served. So, I picked him up and put him in the living room, where the hearth is, and he settled down. But his tail didn't come down at all while outside, and he seemed to be excited and (dare I say it?) happy when he was cruising around with his bodyguard Gracie.
He bedded down on the hearth, and spent the night there...
This morning, he met me and Gracie from the bedroom about 1/2 way across the living room. He was excited to see us...wagging tail, expression of "oh HAI! Gud ta SEE YA!" There was a potty occurrence where it usually is, so, instead of cleaning it right up, I put the messed wee-wee pads and poop into a bag, and took the bag, Gracie, and Romi out to the backyard.
And OH was he happy to be outside this morning. Did the perimeter check, making sure everything was where he remembered it and the fence hadn't fallen overnight, and then just trotted around, tail up, nose down, tasting leaves and exploring.
I called them both to me, as I was going inside to get breakfast, and neither one seemed to want to come inside. Romi lifted a leg, Gracie stood guard, so I went in, and watched from the den. Romi was trotting, Gracie was watching, and so...Romi had his first "unsupervised" outside adventure.
When I did go back outside, lo and behold, Romi came right over, and not just that, but came over and went onto his hinds to paw my thigh for some petting. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: And I swear, he whined for some lovies. I'm not positive I heard it, but I am positive...if that makes sense. He did whine, he did. And that made it all the sweeter.
I got everyone breakfast, and they're done now. Romi is back inside, tucked up on his hearth; Gracie is outside, sprawled on the concrete (one of her favorite spots), the cats have been fed, and I'm drinking my coffee.
It is a good morning here at the "Crazy Animal House", as the pet sitter put it. It is, indeed, a good morning. Romi is making huge strides, just huge strides.
Just thought I'd share...
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Penelope
12-30-2011, 12:13 PM
Wow... just Wow! Thanks for sharing -- I am practically speechless with happiness!
Mom who cares
12-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Herding Cats that is so wonderful! Little Romi certainly has stolen lots of hearts!
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12-30-2011, 02:03 PM
Yeah, MWC, I am pretty excited. He's outside now, before I run errands this morning, and outside with Gracie the Bodyguard. He's made some huge strides these last 24 hours...and I can't be more pleased. This is the start of potty training, and of integrating, back into the world he belongs to.
I just wish I could get him to eat treats. I put peanut butter out for Gracie, took a bite off my finger and offered the rest to Romi...he looked at me like I was crazy. Refused to touch it, even when I put some on his paw. Gracie licked his paw clean after it was clear Romi wasn't going to...LOL.
Well, we'll just keep on working away at it...I'm just so pleased with his progress and getting happy outside, you know?
YAY Little Romeo!
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tlcya
12-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Yay for lil romeo! He is making such strides and so quickly.
Molly joined the household wenesday. She is going on an immediate diet. Poor girl she is so heavy and unfit. She decided I am her alpha and is so far up my butt a colonoscopy couldnt pry her out! She cannot get enough attention. Simply cannot.
She has had an accident her first night (omg bull mastiff poo is not pleasant to wake up to) but seemed suitably embarrassed by it. She also destroyed three phone books and a stack of dh paperwork. Not enouh sense to be shamed about that, lol
Overall, so far so good.
TallyHo
12-30-2011, 02:33 PM
HC - I haven't been on WS all that much following the Casey Anthony Case (or debacle??) but somehow managed to find this thread today. Completely made my day - you totally :rocker:!!
I have 2 beagles who are the most spoiled but lovable dogs you can imagine. They love all people, other dogs, cats, everybody really. One is an AKC registered female that we bought and the other is a gorgeous full blooded guy that someone dumped at our deer hunting ranch. He was full of heartworms (in his heart and lungs) and very near death, but he pulled through treatment and is just THE sweetest and most playful dog you can imagine. He had been horribly neglected but not actually abused. He's not shy around people at all. He is the most beautiful blue ticked tricolor hound - he looks like he should be in an oil painting. Can you tell that I LOVE beagles??? They are truly special dogs! Romi definitely seems like he is starting to act more and more like a beagle, which is fantastic!!
The only difficulty I have ever had with my beagles is having trouble with them darting out the front door on occasion as someone is going in or out. This is a disaster as they will follow their noses and hunt until they decide to quit and come back. They can be in the next county in the blink of an eye - they are faster that they look! We've spent a few sleepless nights and miserable days looking for our dogs and we've been really lucky that they managed to evade the coyotes and bobcats we have in the area (not to mention the traffic!!). We've finally gotten smart about having baby gates up to block them from getting to any doors that lead to unfenced areas, so we managed to put a stop to that. As Romi gets bolder and wants to explore and sniff (and hunt!!) he might want to try the same thing. Doesn't seem like he'd want to do it now but it sounds like he is getting bolder and more 'beagle-y" by the day. They love to sniff and hunt. If mine aren't curled up and snuggling with us and demanding to be petted, they are on the hunt. Constantly. We gave in and now have about four acres under fence so they can hunt to their little hearts' content every day (safely). They have woods, open pasture to run in, and a barn they can get into with beds in it for their midday nap. I don't even want to know how much we've spent getting things set up for them!! :crazy:
Thanks for what you are doing for this precious hound - keep us posted!!
ETA - just thought of something you might try as a "treat" for him to get him used to the idea. You can try braunschweiger (not sure I spelled that right) from your deli and form it into a little ball for him. Our vet gave us this idea when our female beagle was recovering from a rattlesnake bite and wouldn't eat anything. We had to get meds down her, and that did the trick when nothing else would. (and yes, she survived the bite, after a whole vial of antivenin and a stay at the emergency clinic followed by 3 weeks of being really, really sick). Did I mention how much we have managed to spend on these dogs??? :)
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12-30-2011, 05:24 PM
OK, so now I'm sure he whined for lovies earlier. Because he does whine. LOL. And, much to my surprise, he has NOT been debarked...just a quiet soul. I know this because he barked...while standing at the den door, inside, wanting to go out.
Because I don't want him barking, I didn't let him out...but a few minutes later, I did. He and Grace just romped and played...that little guy can move when he wants to; I saw his run for the first time a bit ago. And I swear - just swear, he was smiling.
And yes, he does indeed come up onto his hinds for lovies...he uses Gracie as his 'wall', but he wanted some lovies badly a bit ago, when Gracie wanted some. I believe she is trying to teach him how to be a dog...including all the dog stuff we don't want (like jumping...LOL). But I'll let that go for now, because I want him to just get used to being a dog, and not so tightly wound he won't do anything, you know?
Anyway, it looks like shortly we will do a real unsupervised backyard event. I've been standing in the den watching them out the window, but he's looking pretty good and happy, and Gracie is really good with him...so...I'm hoping that it will go well.
YAY little guy. And yes, Tally, he is getting more beagly daily. Almost hourly, today. LOL. He still doesn't like to cross thresh holds, though...so I'm not too worried about him darting out. Maybe tomorrow, or shoot, in an hour...but not just yet. LOL.
I'm just so happy for him.
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Ransom
12-31-2011, 03:45 AM
Yeah, MWC, I am pretty excited. He's outside now, before I run errands this morning, and outside with Gracie the Bodyguard. He's made some huge strides these last 24 hours...and I can't be more pleased. This is the start of potty training, and of integrating, back into the world he belongs to.
I just wish I could get him to eat treats. I put peanut butter out for Gracie, took a bite off my finger and offered the rest to Romi...he looked at me like I was crazy. Refused to touch it, even when I put some on his paw. Gracie licked his paw clean after it was clear Romi wasn't going to...LOL.
Well, we'll just keep on working away at it...I'm just so pleased with his progress and getting happy outside, you know?
YAY Little Romeo!
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WHY do you want to feed him treats? I'm at a loss here. I have had and still have lots of rescued animals that live with me and on my property and NONE get treats. I would estimate I've had over a 100 dogs (12 current), 1 mean azz donkey, 3 current horses (many before them .. all discarded to some auction house before I bought them), + assorted other critters.
I taught all my dogs (that had a good chance of going to a forever home) to SPEAK (bark) and then I taught them NO SPEAK. I rewarded them with good boy/good girl/praise and lots of head scratches/loving when they obeyed. IF they didn't want to work (play in their world) ... I walked away and tried it again at a later date. The 12 dogs I have now, I cannot trust around anyone with children or even other adults. They are too badly "damaged" to go to another person as I am the only Alpha they know. They are fine with me and DH, but when my kids come home, they know to leave those dogs alone or LEAVE IT as I taught them as little tykes with all the strays I took in.
I wish you well with your endeavors. I truly do.
Penelope
12-31-2011, 08:45 AM
I believe she is trying to teach him how to be a dog...including all the dog stuff we don't want (like jumping...LOL).
Yes, I think that Gracie knows more about Romi and what to do to help him that we can currently understand as humans, and between the two of you, you will heal Romi as best as can be done. When I introduce a puppy into my pack, the older dogs are so influential in the puppy's training and in teaching the puppy all that is necessary to be a dog.
Thank you for what you are doing to help Romi -- you will be blessed for your efforts.
Happy New Year to you, Romi, Gracie, and all your loved ones!
ScubaTwinn
12-31-2011, 09:28 AM
HC- you being happy makes us happy!
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12-31-2011, 12:11 PM
Great question, Ransom.
I want him to take treats because he doesn't respond to human touch. Or rather, didn't. He does now, but it's still tenuous. If I move too fast, or there's a noise, or I stand up suddenly, he shies away from me, and it's tough to calm him down enough to resume whatever we were doing.
It's also a trust issue, I think. If he can trust me enough to take a treat from me, after all the stuff he's obviously had put down his throat in the lab, then he's starting to believe that I am not out to hurt him, and that is the beginning of a good, solid rehabilitation.
Because I have very few resources with him, I am wanting to establish another route that allows him to be reassured that he's o.k., and that he can relax a bit. Food, in all animals, does that. Food is comfort, and security. Treats are reassurance that "there is nothing to fear, here, have a bite of X" because in the wild (and in the home), animals don't tend to eat when they're stressed and overly worried. Food allows them to establish that the place is safe, and whatever they're concerned about is nothing, really...
I don't know if that makes sense. I won't fall over and have a heart attack if he doesn't ever take a treat, but I would love to have that reassurance weapon in my arsenal, you know?
It also makes training easier, but I'm not too concerned about his manners and obedience just yet. I'm just overjoyed that he's starting to expand his "safe places" and learn that there are other places than the hearth that he can be all right in. Once he establishes himself as a dog, he can start learning things...but I'm not worried about that just yet.
Just to update quickly: blessed little Romi slept like a lump last night. Snoring, quite loudly, and muttering/twitching in his sleep. LOL, cracked me up. He had a big, big day, with all the outside time, so I'm not in the least surprised. I'm also fairly sure he's sore...he is not in shape, but he'll get there. LOL. Stayed on the hearth for the night, too...but after breakfast, he's getting outside time with Gracie, and it will probably be for a good hour. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does with some longer stretches of time out there.
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01-01-2012, 02:03 AM
Final update for the year 2011...
Little Romi is now approaching me, nudging my hand for pets, and, when I don't pet him long enough, he puts his paw on my arm or leg.
I've gotten several kisses from this lovebug today...very dry (compared to Gracie kisses, everything is dry. LOL), and very, very fast, but definitely deliberate and without question meant.
And, possibly the neatest thing of all, he got to waggin' that white-tipped tail of his so fast that it became a blur. Or maybe that was the tears....but I think it was the speed. The sheer exuberance of that little guy running around with Gracie (when she's not trying to tackle him) is glorious to watch.
None of the cats are bothered by him in the least. They just kinda accept that he's not gonna bother them, and I've caught Malachi and him sharing a food bowl many more times than once. And Eeyore, too. It's very funny to watch, but I never have my camera around.
He has given me his version of a grin several times today, too. Not sure it's a real "smile", but definitely a completely different expression than he had when he got here.
He is totally taking advantage while he's outside to use the potty, too. I still keep the wee-wee pads down, but he's using the proper bushes and spot of lawn for his potty...and I am hoping that soon, he will be pretty much house-broken...and then we'll start on leash-walking. One thing at a time, right?
And, what's about the neatest thing, is he comes a-runnin' for me when I call him over from the back yard jaunts. Just tearing across the yard, and, when he reaches me, he goes up onto his hinds and that tail is going so fast and he's smiling and having fun...I could swear he's hollering "whhhaaaa- hoooooooo!!! This outside thing is pretty cool!" Such a dramatic change from the totally frozen, trembling dog he was...totally, 180* different.
I am sooooo proud of this guy...
Happy New Year to all of Romi's "fan club"...thank you, and the prayers and thoughts you've sent have really made a difference to this guy...and thank you from me, too.
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01-01-2012, 05:08 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen...drum roll, please!
I just looked out the window into the backyard. Gracie is at her accustomed place by the door, snoring while sprawled on her back.
Romeo is stretched out, nose on paws, on the in/out carpeting I have on one section of the back patio, eyes closed, apparently sleeping.
They have been unsupervised (watched, but not supervised) for the last two hours. No issues...no problems. And little Romi is calm enough to catch some Zzzzz's.
Rock on, wee little dog, ROCK ON!
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PS: I took him out before bed last night but also put out the wee-wee pads. This morning, 9 hours later, no use of the wee-wee pads, and he was quite interested in heading out with Gracie for the "morning toilette." :rocker:
invisibleninja
01-01-2012, 06:00 PM
Way to go Romi! I love these updates so much. He's made such progress; it's amazing. You've done such a wonderful job with him! :)
Rhyme & Reason
01-01-2012, 11:17 PM
I'm so happy HC!!! I was really worried for him just 2 weeks ago. He's suddenly making such big strides & I'm just so, so happy!!
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01-02-2012, 01:13 AM
I'm so happy HC!!! I was really worried for him just 2 weeks ago. He's suddenly making such big strides & I'm just so, so happy!!
I was worried, too. Bless his heart, I was totally wondering what more I could do. But he seems to have made a decision that he's in a safe place, I guess...and is really doing well right now.
Or was. Still to be seen how a chance encounter with a rogue sprinkler system will affect him. Gracie just plays with them if they go off while she's in the yard. He was barking. Which is why I realized they were on...Gracie doesn't tell me because she loves to play in them, but apparently, Romi is a bit concerned about water suddenly spurting from the ground.
He came in, shivering and wet...I dried him off, and he seems to be fine...but we'll see. It's night, the sprinklers are not necessarily silent, and it was a definite surprise for him.
OTOH, he seems to have decided that the hearth is not the only place he's safe. Right now, he's laying between the dining room and the den...a great spot at the foot of the hutch. No bedding, but that's fine...his bed is still down on the hearth...he can see me, and see the backyard, and see the whole living area of the house, basically, from that spot. And I'm tickled that he's decided somewhere else is safe.
YAY little guy. Now, just to hope that the sprinklers didn't make him scared of the dark or the backyard.
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ETA: doesn't seem to be an issue. Color me shocked, you know? He and Gracie went out just fine, hung out for about 30 minutes in the dark, and I just now brought them in and put Gracie in her bed. She's been really restless tonight, unlike her to be up/down, pacing...but she seems fine, just restless. Romi, otoh, is a happy camper. Tuckered out from a long day, a lot of it spent outside...the pads are down for the night, and we'll see if he's taken to potty training. LOL. Overall, another absolutely excellent day for little Romi...absolutely excellent.
belimom
01-02-2012, 02:20 AM
So proud of Romi! Go, little beagle, go! I love the Romi and Molly updates....
Mom who cares
01-04-2012, 12:05 PM
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?
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01-04-2012, 05:54 PM
Right this very moment, Romi is roaming around the house. The gardeners are here, making a racket with the leaf-blower...so I brought Gracie and him inside. Gracie could care less about the gardeners - actually adores them - but little guy is still kinda scared of them (fine, very scared). But he's watching Gracie snooze, so he went and laid down, too...and seems to be handling this all very well.
Romeo really, really enjoys his outside time now. Such a huge change from the terrified beastie who was scared of the wind, sun, and grass on his feet...now, he'd rather be outside than in, until it's night. Then of course he wants to come in...but for the most part, he's outside now.
As for potty training, he's coming along well. I've had him on a schedule since 1/1, and he used the wee-wee pads once. :) All the rest of the time, he's gone outside, like a good boy.
And, YES!!! He now knows how to chew on bones. He takes Gracie's left overs (well, Gracie takes all the new ones, and leaves the old ones for him, rather...LOL...), and I watched him gnaw at one old strip of rawhide for hours last night. He was in absolute heaven. I've thought he was chewing them, but had not seen him until last night. I'm quite thrilled...he really is learning how to be a dog, and that is delightful.
As for leash-training, it's going slowly. He doesn't mind it trailing behind him wherever he goes, but does not understand how to walk with someone holding it. We've been practicing him walking and me just barely touching it with NO pressure all around the backyard, but he is not liking that too much...and he likes even less when I'm in front. We'll figure it out yet...something will click and he'll be just fine. I show him Gracie on a leash a lot, too. And he loves to sniff at Gracie when she comes in from "being out there". He'll figure it out, I'm sure.
And, what a great thing - they're both eating next to each other from their own dishes outside. This morning was the first time I tried that, but apparently, it's no real issue at all. Gracie eats, he eats...next to each other (about 4 feet away, but parallel, on either side of the den door).
And yes, he still gets sooooo excited when I come out to see them...running around in circles, tail wagging so fast it's a blur, Gracie jumping on him and him jumping on her...both jumping on me...yeah, it's pretty cool.
And I caught them snoozing together today - he was snugged up on her bum, and she was asleep and snoring. I couldn't tell if he was snoring, but he was indeed napping.
I'm very, very proud of this little fighter, this very brave little guy. Two months ago, he was in a lab in Spain...one month ago he was too scared to leave the hearth. Now, he likes nothing better than to roam the backyard, with his bodyguard Gracie. What a little fighter he is...what a great guy he is. I'm quite thrilled and proud.
Go, Little Romeo, GO ON with your big bad doggie self!!
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belimom
01-04-2012, 07:41 PM
Right this very moment, Romi is roaming around the house. The gardeners are here, making a racket with the leaf-blower...so I brought Gracie and him inside. Gracie could care less about the gardeners - actually adores them - but little guy is still kinda scared of them (fine, very scared). But he's watching Gracie snooze, so he went and laid down, too...and seems to be handling this all very well.
Romeo really, really enjoys his outside time now. Such a huge change from the terrified beastie who was scared of the wind, sun, and grass on his feet...now, he'd rather be outside than in, until it's night. Then of course he wants to come in...but for the most part, he's outside now.
As for potty training, he's coming along well. I've had him on a schedule since 1/1, and he used the wee-wee pads once. :) All the rest of the time, he's gone outside, like a good boy.
And, YES!!! He now knows how to chew on bones. He takes Gracie's left overs (well, Gracie takes all the new ones, and leaves the old ones for him, rather...LOL...), and I watched him gnaw at one old strip of rawhide for hours last night. He was in absolute heaven. I've thought he was chewing them, but had not seen him until last night. I'm quite thrilled...he really is learning how to be a dog, and that is delightful.
As for leash-training, it's going slowly. He doesn't mind it trailing behind him wherever he goes, but does not understand how to walk with someone holding it. We've been practicing him walking and me just barely touching it with NO pressure all around the backyard, but he is not liking that too much...and he likes even less when I'm in front. We'll figure it out yet...something will click and he'll be just fine. I show him Gracie on a leash a lot, too. And he loves to sniff at Gracie when she comes in from "being out there". He'll figure it out, I'm sure.
And, what a great thing - they're both eating next to each other from their own dishes outside. This morning was the first time I tried that, but apparently, it's no real issue at all. Gracie eats, he eats...next to each other (about 4 feet away, but parallel, on either side of the den door).
And yes, he still gets sooooo excited when I come out to see them...running around in circles, tail wagging so fast it's a blur, Gracie jumping on him and him jumping on her...both jumping on me...yeah, it's pretty cool.
And I caught them snoozing together today - he was snugged up on her bum, and she was asleep and snoring. I couldn't tell if he was snoring, but he was indeed napping.
I'm very, very proud of this little fighter, this very brave little guy. Two months ago, he was in a lab in Spain...one month ago he was too scared to leave the hearth. Now, he likes nothing better than to roam the backyard, with his bodyguard Gracie. What a little fighter he is...what a great guy he is. I'm quite thrilled and proud.
Go, Little Romeo, GO ON with your big bad doggie self!!
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bbm
HC, this is all just so incredibly heartwarming and wonderful. Thank you sooo much for sharing and allowing us a peek into this beautiful process! BUT... but... we want pictures of Romi and Gracie napping, etc. :D
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01-04-2012, 09:23 PM
Beli, let me see what I can get together...I have found all my camera stuff, so it's just a matter of getting the photos taken.
Gimme a few days, and I'll do my best to get some shots. Deal?
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belimom
01-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Beli, let me see what I can get together...I have found all my camera stuff, so it's just a matter of getting the photos taken.
Gimme a few days, and I'll do my best to get some shots. Deal?
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:highfive:
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TallyHo
01-05-2012, 09:14 AM
HC - Just a thought, and you probably have thought of this already, but you might try using Romi's beagle pack instincts to help him learn to walk on the leash and walk him at the same time with Gracie. That's what we did with Baylor, the male beagle we took in. He had no idea about collars, leashes, etc and at first seemed to feel trapped. I put our female (Darby) on the leash as well and he was happy to walk along with her, and one time of that was all it took. He "got it" and has been really good on the leash ever since. I am no dog trainer and don't play one on TV either, lol, but that really worked quickly for me. :)
Darby and Baylor send beagle kisses to Romi!!
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01-05-2012, 10:55 AM
Tally, good idea, thanks for the suggestion. I have been thinking about that, and yes, Romeo does seem like he's feeling trapped. Maybe that will work, but I'd have to take Gracie out for a while first, so she doesn't do shenanigans and scare him even more (she's good on a leash, very good...but them together? I wonder about that...LOL).
I will have to stay in the driveway for a time, because I want him to not have any scary encounters with other dogs/people/squirrels/cars until he's secure with a leash. He's a very forgiving guy, apparently, but too much too fast and I worry.
'Course, he surprised me a lot in the last few weeks, so...I dunno. He may be ready.
Baby steps, I think, though, are the best with him right now. Gracie, well, I kinda just threw her into things. She took it all in stride, and is just fine. He needs a different approach....
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Oriah
01-07-2012, 08:33 AM
HC - Just a thought, and you probably have thought of this already, but you might try using Romi's beagle pack instincts to help him learn to walk on the leash and walk him at the same time with Gracie. That's what we did with Baylor, the male beagle we took in. He had no idea about collars, leashes, etc and at first seemed to feel trapped. I put our female (Darby) on the leash as well and he was happy to walk along with her, and one time of that was all it took. He "got it" and has been really good on the leash ever since. I am no dog trainer and don't play one on TV either, lol, but that really worked quickly for me. :)
Darby and Baylor send beagle kisses to Romi!!
I've found starting out appearing to just 'take a walk', then quickly jogging and then to full on running helps too.
They seem to love the 'pack' gaining momentum, and moving fast. :)
belimom
01-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Just dropping in... Hope Romi, Gracie, and the heard are doing well.
Penelope
01-10-2012, 08:27 AM
Herding Cats -- thinking of you and Romeo. I hope your furbabies are all doing well!
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01-10-2012, 12:26 PM
They're all good, the herd and the Gracie-boulder and Romeo...I've got a cold, but whatevs; I'll survive. LOL.
No really big thing to report. Romi is getting used to being inside/outside, and recently, has really started exploring the house. I am fairly sure that one morning, I'm going to wake up with a beagle nose in my face...and wouldn't that be wonderful? LOL.
Gracie is busy teaching him all about how to dig holes. Sigh. He's also developed into something of a chewer...not a bad thing, but something which has to be watched so he doesn't eat the tables or sofa. LOL...he loves his sticks outside, will carry it a few steps, throw it in the air, and then pounce on it and run madly around the yard. I've tried to engage him with a ball, but he prefers the stick.
Unfortunately, we're still having NO luck at all with the leash. So I've put that aside for the nonce, and will try again in a few days. He really is scared of it, and pulls back. The look on his face is pure panic, and he doesn't want to come near afterwards. I'll just keep letting him "wear" it, and hoping he'll get used to it.
He is doing better with treats, or at least one treat in particular. The dried/jerkey Duck breast w/ chondroitin and glucosamine seems to be the thing for him...he'll take a strip from my knee if I am not looking, and he goes crazy with it. It's closer than me laying it on the ground and walking away, and I suspect soon he'll take it out of my hand. I'm happy about the progress, because it will make things easier for him in the long run.
Other than that, I think that's all the updates. I do have photos, but now can't seem to figure out how to get them from the camera to the lappie. I'll work on that and see what I can't get accomplished...I don't know why, either. A few weeks ago, I just plugged it in, and let it go. So I've obviously done something, but am not sure what. LOL. Story of my life.
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Steely Dan
01-10-2012, 09:55 PM
Final update for the year 2011...
Little Romi is now approaching me, nudging my hand for pets, and, when I don't pet him long enough, he puts his paw on my arm or leg.
I've gotten several kisses from this lovebug today...very dry (compared to Gracie kisses, everything is dry. LOL), and very, very fast, but definitely deliberate and without question meant.
And, possibly the neatest thing of all, he got to waggin' that white-tipped tail of his so fast that it became a blur. Or maybe that was the tears....but I think it was the speed. The sheer exuberance of that little guy running around with Gracie (when she's not trying to tackle him) is glorious to watch.
None of the cats are bothered by him in the least. They just kinda accept that he's not gonna bother them, and I've caught Malachi and him sharing a food bowl many more times than once. And Eeyore, too. It's very funny to watch, but I never have my camera around.
He has given me his version of a grin several times today, too. Not sure it's a real "smile", but definitely a completely different expression than he had when he got here.
He is totally taking advantage while he's outside to use the potty, too. I still keep the wee-wee pads down, but he's using the proper bushes and spot of lawn for his potty...and I am hoping that soon, he will be pretty much house-broken...and then we'll start on leash-walking. One thing at a time, right?
And, what's about the neatest thing, is he comes a-runnin' for me when I call him over from the back yard jaunts. Just tearing across the yard, and, when he reaches me, he goes up onto his hinds and that tail is going so fast and he's smiling and having fun...I could swear he's hollering "whhhaaaa- hoooooooo!!! This outside thing is pretty cool!" Such a dramatic change from the totally frozen, trembling dog he was...totally, 180* different.
I am sooooo proud of this guy...
Happy New Year to all of Romi's "fan club"...thank you, and the prayers and thoughts you've sent have really made a difference to this guy...and thank you from me, too.
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BBM
I find it very difficult to believe that Simon is thrilled with this development. I think he's counting now. The cats have a 10-2 advantage, but he's watching that slowly erode away. There's definitely some schimoning going on there, I'd bet dollars to donuts on that.
BTW, I love how you have such a great way with all living things. :blowkiss:
Herding Cats
01-11-2012, 01:32 AM
Simon actually slept on the bed with me, while Romeo slept on the other side. No issues.
He may be counting...I wouldn't put it past him. LOL. But I really don't see an issue with Romi and Simon. Things can, and often do, change in a heart beat, though. LOL.
You say I have a way with living things...but really, I dunno. I just figure that love can resolve a lot of problems, so I love as hard as I can...patients, people, animals...and I am so blessed by them it's totally amazing. They all return the love a billion times over, and that makes me feel good. So it's kinda selfish. LOL.
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Steely Dan
01-11-2012, 04:16 AM
Simon actually slept on the bed with me, while Romeo slept on the other side. No issues.
He may be counting...I wouldn't put it past him. LOL. But I really don't see an issue with Romi and Simon. Things can, and often do, change in a heart beat, though. LOL.
You say I have a way with living things...but really, I dunno. I just figure that love can resolve a lot of problems, so I love as hard as I can...patients, people, animals...and I am so blessed by them it's totally amazing. They all return the love a billion times over, and that makes me feel good. So it's kinda selfish. LOL.
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BBM
It's not selfish.
And that is a big part of your father that will always be there with you. I'm sure that's how he was, and you learned it from him while growing into the woman he so loved and admired. :rocker:
JMO and the opinion of many people and at least 12 animals.
Mom who cares
01-11-2012, 10:06 AM
Right on, Steely!
belimom
01-16-2012, 01:00 PM
It's been 5 days... I need a Romi fix... ;)
Steely Dan
01-16-2012, 02:05 PM
It's been 5 days... I need a Romi fix... ;)
Romeo, Romeo where for art thou Romeo?
Penelope
01-16-2012, 08:52 PM
Romeo, Romeo where for art thou Romeo?
Romeo has written his own updates!! Check out this link in Websleuth's very own Jury Room. It takes some patience to read, as his spelling is not very good!
belimom
01-16-2012, 11:02 PM
Romeo has written his own updates!! Check out this link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7519102#post7519102) in Websleuth's very own Jury Room. It takes some patience to read, as his spelling is not very good!
THANK YOU! I didn't know it was there... thanks for the link... :seeya:
Steely Dan
01-16-2012, 11:18 PM
Romeo has written his own updates!! Check out this link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7519102#post7519102) in Websleuth's very own Jury Room. It takes some patience to read, as his spelling is not very good!
THANK YOU! I didn't know it was there... thanks for the link... :seeya:
Make that another Thank you too! :blowkiss:
Rhyme & Reason
01-17-2012, 01:51 AM
Make that a third thank you. I had no idea that was down there lol.
Penelope
01-17-2012, 07:36 AM
Make that a third thank you. I had no idea that was down there lol.
I didn't realize it was there either -- I just found it by accident and thought I'd better alert all of you!
teedie2
01-17-2012, 08:34 PM
I found out yesterday, in this thread. I'd started worrying about Romeo. My scenario was that something awful had happened to Romeo and that HC was trying to think of how to tell us. I didn't even think of looking elsewhere! What a dummy!
Herding Cats
01-18-2012, 12:38 AM
I have no earthly idea what you all are talking about. I even went down into Pets and couldn't see anything...
As for Romi, he's just fine. Right now, he's chewing on a rawhide strip, and having the time of his life...he's started sleeping on a bed next to mine in my bedroom, and seems to be enjoying that. Last night, between Gracie and Romi's snores, it was kinda hard to get to sleep, but there's something comforting, too, listening to live critters snore. I'm sure that they have to get used to me snoring, but maybe they don't care? And, cutest thing...Romi was sprawled - really stretched out - on his bed, to where his head was on the pile of laundry next to him. He was so relaxed...and that boy barks and bays in his dreams. First time that happened, I nearly left my body behind...LOL.
Anyway, all is well here. Romi continues to get used to things, and exposed to things; the other day, I went up on a ladder to trim some branches, and he got a bit scared; barked and bayed, but once he realized Gracie wasn't upset, he calmed down.
And he's a chewer! LOL. Now that he knows how to chew and gnaw, that's his favorite past time. I think I'm going to get a Kong for him...he will steal bones from Gracie, and she just kinda watches, with a bit of a forlorn expression, but lets him. LOL. Lots of chewy things for him, and for Gracie...both love to destroy bones, so better that then the sofa or table!
I think I misplaced my lappie the other day - it was moved off the coffee table onto the floor, but nothing seems to have happened to it. Maybe I left it on the floor when I was grooming Gracie, and didn't realize? I'm glad nothing happened...
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WestCoastLady
01-18-2012, 04:38 AM
I will pay for this in the morning, but I just sat and read all 10 pages of this thread....
HC - you are da' bomb! Thank you for sharing your animal tales with us ;)
ScubaTwinn
01-18-2012, 11:42 AM
I've always liked to think that cats and dogs believe snoring is our way of purring. I'm sure I'm totally wrong, but I like to think it. :)
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01-21-2012, 03:59 PM
Just a quickie update: Romi continues to be amazingly resilient and is pushing his boundaries all the time; this is good...it means he's willing to explore, and to trust himself and me and the other critters, and he's slowly moving past his limits.
It rained last night, a lot, so both dogs had inside day today. This is the first time since Romi's been outside for extended times that he wasn't allowed to go outside, only for 5 minutes to pee at breakfast time. He was not sure what was going on...he got a bit scared of the rain, and wouldn't come back out of the bushes until I got my shoes on and went and picked him up. But he wasn't comfy inside, either. So I gave some bones (usually a nighttime treat), and then he settled in to a long morning of chewing.
See, this thing with bones...it's so good to watch him chew them. I doubt he'd ever seen a bone, let alone had one to himself, until he got here. He had a hard time learning what to do with them, but Gracie, role model that she is, showed him. Now he loves chewing so much that he'll walk over and steal them from Gracie. LOL.
He also loves to lay in the sun. As the sun travels across the backyard, he'll sleep in it, move to stay in it, and go back to sleep...all day. It's too cute...and I love that he's really enjoying grass and sunshine.
He's still not working well with the leash, but we're going slowly. That's the last hurdle to overcome before I bring him into the "rest of the world," you know? I want him to be comfortable on a leash before we do that, because I can't imagine how scared he'd be if he had a leash on that he didn't like, and then was outside his comfort zone of the backyard. It's slow, and I don't really have many tricks in my bag, but we're working on it. I suspect he will do a lot of time in a portable pen with Gracie while I garden in the front yard this spring...maybe that will help him. Dunno.
Anyway, he continues to be more and more willing to ask for snuggles and lovies. He has been seen waving at me from across the room when he thinks Grace has had enough belly rubs and it's his turn already. LOL. And he loves having his chest and belly rubbed...just loves it.
Romeo is progressing nicely...YAY!! Just thought I'd let you all know.
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YAY for Romeo! And another YAY FOR Gracie for being such a great role model.
One more YAY for HC for all she is doing for the doggies.
belimom
01-23-2012, 09:40 AM
Thanks for the update, HC. I envisioned the portable pen while you were gardening and it sounds wonderful. However, I was thinking he may get afraid, being penned up and separated from you. When it comes time, another way to try it would be to put the portable pen around the area you're working on (if it's the kind of pen I'm thinking of), so you're 'in' there also. Then once he's used to it, just put them in another area while you garden nearby. He may be fine with the whole thing so it may not be necessary - but just a thought I had. :)
wait a minute
01-25-2012, 08:15 PM
That was heartbreaking yet joyful to watch all at once. Thanks for sharing.
Herding Cats
01-26-2012, 12:14 AM
Thanks for the update, HC. I envisioned the portable pen while you were gardening and it sounds wonderful. However, I was thinking he may get afraid, being penned up and separated from you. When it comes time, another way to try it would be to put the portable pen around the area you're working on (if it's the kind of pen I'm thinking of), so you're 'in' there also. Then once he's used to it, just put them in another area while you garden nearby. He may be fine with the whole thing so it may not be necessary - but just a thought I had. :)
I don't know if the pen is going to be big enough for me, Gracie, and Romeo, and still allow me to get anything done. LOL. Gracie is as big as a person now; she'll stand on her hinds and put her paws on my shoulder, and we see eye to eye...I'm just a hair under 5'7". She weighs less than me though. LOL.
I'm going to try an intermediate step, though. When stretched out, the pen will cross the driveway, so I'm thinking that when I'm working on the kitchen garden, and/or working on the garage, I can put the pen up, leave the backyard gate open, and he can come and go like Gracie does. That way, he can start to see the "big world", and see that Gracie is calm and mellow, and maybe over time I can move the pen down the drive so he can see more and get more comfortable with things.
And I'm starting to use the harness on him. I'm wondering if he hasn't had some neck trauma, or something scared him...he is not happy about his collar but tolerates it as long as no one is touching it. So I'm thinking if I put the harness on, and let the leash drag behind it (while supervised, of course), he may adjust to that without previous issues coming into play.
I don't know. This one stumps me. I've dealt with horses who were scared of being led, and was able to get through to them easier than I'm making progress with Romi in this instance.
I really can't complain, though. He's come soooo very far, and he's been trying soooo very hard. We'll just keep at it, and I'll keep trying to figure out something that is a reassuring method for him. It's just a good thing he's not nearly as big as Gracie, because I do have to carry him a lot. LOL...between Gracie on a leash and Romi being lifted, I swear, I'm stronger than I've been in years. LOL.
It'll come. There will be a break-through moment, and he'll make the leap of faith. He's done it before, and I have no doubt that he's not done with his socialization and surprises and willingness to try. He's a sweet, dear boy, and is working his little heart out to overcome his previous existence.
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Steely Dan
01-26-2012, 12:36 AM
I don't know if the pen is going to be big enough for me, Gracie, and Romeo, and still allow me to get anything done. LOL. Gracie is as big as a person now; she'll stand on her hinds and put her paws on my shoulder, and we see eye to eye...I'm just a hair under 5'7". She weighs less than me though. LOL.
I'm going to try an intermediate step, though. When stretched out, the pen will cross the driveway, so I'm thinking that when I'm working on the kitchen garden, and/or working on the garage, I can put the pen up, leave the backyard gate open, and he can come and go like Gracie does. That way, he can start to see the "big world", and see that Gracie is calm and mellow, and maybe over time I can move the pen down the drive so he can see more and get more comfortable with things.
And I'm starting to use the harness on him. I'm wondering if he hasn't had some neck trauma, or something scared him...he is not happy about his collar but tolerates it as long as no one is touching it. So I'm thinking if I put the harness on, and let the leash drag behind it (while supervised, of course), he may adjust to that without previous issues coming into play.
I don't know. This one stumps me. I've dealt with horses who were scared of being led, and was able to get through to them easier than I'm making progress with Romi in this instance.
I really can't complain, though. He's come soooo very far, and he's been trying soooo very hard. We'll just keep at it, and I'll keep trying to figure out something that is a reassuring method for him. It's just a good thing he's not nearly as big as Gracie, because I do have to carry him a lot. LOL...between Gracie on a leash and Romi being lifted, I swear, I'm stronger than I've been in years. LOL.
It'll come. There will be a break-through moment, and he'll make the leap of faith. He's done it before, and I have no doubt that he's not done with his socialization and surprises and willingness to try. He's a sweet, dear boy, and is working his little heart out to overcome his previous existence.
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You :rocker:
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01-27-2012, 02:18 AM
Just have to brag on this lil guy today. He is becoming soooo brave!
I had the floor refinisher guy come in to give me an estimate. Gracie went nuts - barking, howling...leaping. And when she leaps, she can clear my head. All she wants is lovin, and is excited to see new people in her space, and doesn't mean them any harm, but still, it's intimidating (and impressive) to watch.
I was unsure of how Romi'd take someone in our house...someone he doesn't know, and certainly doesn't trust. I figured he'd get out to the grass area, and maybe bark a bit, or even run and hide.
Nope...he stood right there with Gracie, and barked and bayed, too. I am not sure if he was upset or wanting to see this person, but I am just so pleased he was not too scared, and stood his ground, and didn't run away. Just stood there and let it be known he existed. Like I said, not sure if he was defensive or curious or neither/both, but he stood there at the door and didn't leave it.
I am so tickled. So pleased. And just so proud of this boy. He's come a long way, you know? A long, long way.
Just thought I'd share.
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Penelope
01-27-2012, 07:28 AM
Just have to brag on this lil guy today. He is becoming soooo brave!
I had the floor refinisher guy come in to give me an estimate. Gracie went nuts - barking, howling...leaping. And when she leaps, she can clear my head. All she wants is lovin, and is excited to see new people in her space, and doesn't mean them any harm, but still, it's intimidating (and impressive) to watch.
I was unsure of how Romi'd take someone in our house...someone he doesn't know, and certainly doesn't trust. I figured he'd get out to the grass area, and maybe bark a bit, or even run and hide.
Nope...he stood right there with Gracie, and barked and bayed, too. I am not sure if he was upset or wanting to see this person, but I am just so pleased he was not too scared, and stood his ground, and didn't run away. Just stood there and let it be known he existed. Like I said, not sure if he was defensive or curious or neither/both, but he stood there at the door and didn't leave it.
I am so tickled. So pleased. And just so proud of this boy. He's come a long way, you know? A long, long way.
Just thought I'd share.
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Dear Herding Cats,
Just reading this put tears in my eyes, especially your comment about how Romi "Just stood there and let it be known he existed." How profound and moving!
It is so amazing to share Romi's story through your posts -- how an abused dog grows into his birthright and learns how to simply be who he is, a dog. The sheer joy we get from these 4-legged creatures when they act the way their instincts guide them cannot be measured.
I applaud you, and I applaud Romi for having the strength and courage to open up his heart to love and healing. Animals such as Romi are our greatest teachers!
Steely Dan
01-27-2012, 11:58 AM
Just have to brag on this lil guy today. He is becoming soooo brave!
I had the floor refinisher guy come in to give me an estimate. Gracie went nuts - barking, howling...leaping. And when she leaps, she can clear my head. All she wants is lovin, and is excited to see new people in her space, and doesn't mean them any harm, but still, it's intimidating (and impressive) to watch.
I was unsure of how Romi'd take someone in our house...someone he doesn't know, and certainly doesn't trust. I figured he'd get out to the grass area, and maybe bark a bit, or even run and hide.
Nope...he stood right there with Gracie, and barked and bayed, too. I am not sure if he was upset or wanting to see this person, but I am just so pleased he was not too scared, and stood his ground, and didn't run away. Just stood there and let it be known he existed. Like I said, not sure if he was defensive or curious or neither/both, but he stood there at the door and didn't leave it.
I am so tickled. So pleased. And just so proud of this boy. He's come a long way, you know? A long, long way.
Just thought I'd share.
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Glad to hear about Romi. :thumb:
I used to deliver pizzas and I'm 5'5". If that dog had leaped on me or just up over my noggin I'd be taking you to court for a new pair of skivvies, pants and driver's seat. :giggle:
PS: I know she's precious and wouldn't hurt a fly, but I wouldn't know that! :eek:
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