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cynic
12-06-2011, 09:17 PM
I’ve never seen anything like this before, amazing.

"The files that you will be receiving will not be released to the public, to the media, or anyone else, unless there later develops a law enforcement necessity to do so."

"This decision, however, may be re-evaluated if it becomes clear that parts of the investigation have been released to the media and to the public 'piecemeal', and that such a selective release of portions of the investigation has presented our investigation in a false light."

"Please understand that we have no desire to intrude on your client's right to speak freely about, or even criticize, the investigation completed by this office."

"…if portions of the investigation are selectively released to the media and to the public in a way that falsely represents the work performed by the Sheriff's Department, we will correct the false portrayal by opening the entire investigation for public scrutiny."


First Amendment attorney, Guylyn Cummins of San Diego, is not affiliated with the Coronado death investigation, but she was taken aback when News 8 showed her the Sheriff's letter.

"I personally have never seen anything like this," Cummins said. "I think it's the first time that I've ever seen a law enforcement or governmental agency do this."

"What the letter's trying to say is, if you release something and we don't like your viewpoint -- or the information that you rely on -- then we're putting you on notice that we may come back and release anything that we want; whether it's part of the lawful investigation or simply digging up dirt on the victim," said Cummins.

Attorney Anne Bremner told News 8 that she considers the letter a threat. Her co-counsel, attorney Marty Rudoy, agreed.

"I believe there's an implied threat in the letter that they would release information hurtful to the victim and her family," said Rudoy. "It has chilled our willingness to release relevant information to the media that would help the public determine what happened in this case."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/16194812/sheriff-warns-zahau-attorney-case-file-may-be-opened (http://www.cbs8.com/story/16194812/sheriff-warns-zahau-attorney-case-file-may-be-opened)

Mrs. Holmes
12-06-2011, 09:32 PM
I’ve never seen anything like this before, amazing.

"The files that you will be receiving will not be released to the public, to the media, or anyone else, unless there later develops a law enforcement necessity to do so."

"This decision, however, may be re-evaluated if it becomes clear that parts of the investigation have been released to the media and to the public 'piecemeal', and that such a selective release of portions of the investigation has presented our investigation in a false light."

"Please understand that we have no desire to intrude on your client's right to speak freely about, or even criticize, the investigation completed by this office."

"…if portions of the investigation are selectively released to the media and to the public in a way that falsely represents the work performed by the Sheriff's Department, we will correct the false portrayal by opening the entire investigation for public scrutiny."


First Amendment attorney, Guylyn Cummins of San Diego, is not affiliated with the Coronado death investigation, but she was taken aback when News 8 showed her the Sheriff's letter.

"I personally have never seen anything like this," Cummins said. "I think it's the first time that I've ever seen a law enforcement or governmental agency do this."

"What the letter's trying to say is, if you release something and we don't like your viewpoint -- or the information that you rely on -- then we're putting you on notice that we may come back and release anything that we want; whether it's part of the lawful investigation or simply digging up dirt on the victim," said Cummins.

Attorney Anne Bremner told News 8 that she considers the letter a threat. Her co-counsel, attorney Marty Rudoy, agreed.

"I believe there's an implied threat in the letter that they would release information hurtful to the victim and her family," said Rudoy. "It has chilled our willingness to release relevant information to the media that would help the public determine what happened in this case."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/16194812/sheriff-warns-zahau-attorney-case-file-may-be-opened (http://www.cbs8.com/story/16194812/sheriff-warns-zahau-attorney-case-file-may-be-opened)

This fits with BG's actions at the after Dr. Phil press conference... when a reporter asks about the computer and if there was porn on it.. Gore smirks and says I will let AB answer that question if she wants to release that information. It comes across as if BG feels that the porn on the computer MUST have been viewed by RZ and this should thoroughly embarass the family and tarnish RZ's reputation ...... what is shocking is that he has NO CLUE that it could be someone other than RZ who viewed it!!!! The guy just can't step away from the case and see different angles and the possibility of murder. A boy is dying, his father has a background of violence with woman, BG has no real idea where JS was that night and he can't put it together that this could be a retaliation murder covered up? BG really thinks a suicidal woman would be looking at porn before she kills herself?

BG is far too stubborn and the Attorney General's office needs to take action immediately. Threatening to embarass the family if they question his department's work. BG and his office has completely lost the plot. The AG should ask Gore to step down I don't think he can do his job properly at this point.

cynic
12-06-2011, 09:35 PM
This fits with BG's actions at the after Dr. Phil press conference... when a reporter asks about the computer and if there was porn on it.. Gore smirks and says I will let AB answer that question if she wants to release that information. It comes across as if BG feels that the porn on the computer MUST have been viewed by RZ and this should thoroughly embarass the family and tarnish RZ's reputation ...... what is shocking is that he has NO CLUE that it could someone other than RZ who viewed it!!!! The guy just can't step away from the case and see different angles and the possibility of murder. A boy is dying, his father has a background of violence with woman, BG has no real idea where JS was that night and he can't put it together that this could be a retaliation murder covered up? BG really thinks a suicidal woman would be looking at porn before she kills herself?
I suppose the question that follows naturally is whether this is simply down to incompetence or is there something more sinister going on?

Mrs. Holmes
12-06-2011, 09:42 PM
I suppose the question that follows naturally is whether this is simply down to incompetence or is there something more sinister going on?

That is two threats one from JS's lawyers and now BG's lawyers.... it does make you wonder. There is a male female power struggle here to. BG is a "good old boy" in my mind. Maybe BG thought it was too complicated and expensive of a case and really wanted JS in his "you owe me" pocket?

BG can't handle the pressure he is going to snap soon. This is just getting worse and worse the more he tries to keep a lid on it.

cynic
12-06-2011, 09:49 PM
That is two threats one from JS's lawyers and now BG's lawyers.... it does make you wonder. There is a male female power struggle here to. BG is a "good old boy" in my mind. Maybe BG thought it was too complicated and expensive of a case and really wanted JS in his "you owe me" pocket?

BG can't handle the pressure he is going to snap soon. This is just getting worse and worse the more he tries to keep a lid on it.
Obviously we don’t know what may be lurking in the case file, but I would think that if everything was released it might be potentially more harmful / embarrassing / incriminating to the Shacknai’s and the SDSD?

Mrs. Holmes
12-06-2011, 10:00 PM
Obviously we don’t know what may be lurking in the case file, but I would think that if everything was released it might be potentially more harmful / embarrassing / incriminating to the Shacknai’s and the SDSD?

I agree the more we learn the worse SDSD and the Shacknai's look. I noticed the lead investigator was not given a mic at the last press release. The more questions that are asked the worse they all look.

I wonder when the AG's office will step in because BG is sliding off the deep end here. If I lived in SD I would be apalled and very concerned about justice in that city.

jjenny
12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
I've never seen anything like this letter either.

arielilane
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
This was a revenge killing and clear evidence has been lost forever. BG needs to go... Rebecca and her family are being victimized over and over again. Shameful. This does not reflect well on the city for tourist or potential citizens.

dovebar
12-07-2011, 12:57 AM
Personally, if my family member was dead, there's nothing more that can be done to her. I would be fine with any "dirt" being released, so long as her killer was captured and brought to justice.

time
12-07-2011, 12:42 PM
Well, this is sickening and incredibly weird.

I think BG is playing games ... or it's my theory anyway. He doesn't want his authority questioned and if that happens there will be hell to pay. It's kind of like a "Ha! You want to play, let's play!" threatening it will get down and dirty. He is obviously too gamey and narcisisstic to realize how he is viewed by others. He used the 'protect the family and their privacy' excuse in the first conference to not talk about evidence. Now we know how much was protecting Dina, Nina, Adam, and Jonah and he wants everyone to know there is more. If he reveals anything about Rebecca it will be the family's fault.

If this was investigated by the AG or someone other than family he would not be able to pull this emotionally threatening card ... nor would anyone if it went to court as it's all based on relevance. At least a judge would have to decide what can and can't come into court. Any dirt in Rebecca's background would most probably have nothing to do with a motive for suicide unless someone directly threatened to expose something right before she died - but that also goes toward a motive for murder. Possible suspects (Dina and Nina) hating Rebecca and being in the area, calling late, rabidly questioning her on an accident are relevant as is Adam looking at porn given the MO of the killer and computer searches. It would be relevant that Dina and Jonah have a violent past, that they investigated each others BF's/GF's, and whether or not there was child abuse (not saying there was/wasn't).

I still don't think BG is directly doing anything for Jonah - he decided not to pursue it as a murder for many reasons and one could be an impossible conviction and problems. Once his decision was made early on and everything was fit into that theory, his ego took over and he's trying to thwart any attempts to claim it is murder. Now to the point of threatening. I think it's a game. Folks like him have power and they are accustomed to that having more sway. He probably talked the ME into calling it a suicide and the guy has put a small black mark on his career now - there is no medical evidence to say this was a suicide. He's getting more and more bizarre though - you can only obfuscate so much, now he's turned to threats. He's too ego bound to see how this looks to others, to the public.

Hopefully, BG keeps it up because people like that eventually sink their own boat.

coastal
12-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Personally, if my family member was dead, there's nothing more that can be done to her. I would be fine with any "dirt" being released, so long as her killer was captured and brought to justice.
I agree, dovebar. But, I wonder if there isn't somebody else, somebody living still, whose future safety and/or happiness is at stake here. Xena immediately comes to mind, but Xena wasn't present when Rebecca died, so her contribution to Rebecca's case file should be relatively minor. Threats to the Shacknai/Romano four (or five or six) shouldn't phase Anne Bremner.

:dunno: What common ground exists between Gore and Rebecca's family, such that his plea for confidentiality (read: implied threat) carries any weight at all?

time
12-07-2011, 01:53 PM
I agree, dovebar. But, I wonder if there isn't somebody else, somebody living still, whose future safety and/or happiness is at stake here. Xena immediately comes to mind, but Xena wasn't present when Rebecca died, so her contribution to Rebecca's case file should be relatively minor. Threats to the Shacknai/Romano four (or five or six) shouldn't phase Anne Bremner.

:dunno: What common ground exists between Gore and Rebecca's family, such that his plea for confidentiality (read: implied threat) carries any weight at all?


Because of some things said in comments on other boards and the poster her who is qualified as connected to the case - it would be good to now receive her comments as she had knowledge about Dina's role.

I think the Dina team was investigating Rebecca at some point or for a period of time. I wonder if a huge part of Gore's threats actually have to do with this. I have no doubt someone in the Dina team immediately turned over crapola. I do doubt all this was fairly and thoroughly substantiated? Dina and Jonah seemed to have hired private investigators to spy on each other.

What we have clues about ...

1. the issue of shoplifting (we know that, but are not sure if it was leaked to t he media early on on purpose)

2. Dina claiming something wasn't right or something about Rebecca and she did not want her child left alone with her (poster here),

3. possibly Rebecca was fired from work and she did not quit to spend time with Jonah and the kids (rumor being spread in comments on Psychology today article) - interviews with coworkers

4. Rebecca was possibly a gold digger or whatever - again, I don't know how this relates or if it was just to assassinate her character, unfortunately, her ex's comment might have validated that in some people's minds. Some people were trying to connect #1 and #4, I guess to show she would do anything to get what she wanted?

I find it difficult to believe they could have investigated Rebecca or Xena to any great extent since they barely talked with her family and friends.

time
12-07-2011, 02:22 PM
Here is the original post from a verified case insider:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

9/5/2011




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I have now been verified as an insider in this case.

Alright, here are the things I know. LE is aware of everything I am about to share. I just have some tidbits, nothing earth shattering lol.

-Some family members do not believe Max died accidentally. I will leave it at that. Dina has hired a private team to investigate in the hopes that LE reopens the case and believes Max was suffocated before the "fall."

-Since March of this year, Dina told Jonah she did not want Rebecca alone with Max. This is due to her getting "weird vibes" from Rebecca. A background check was performed on Rebecca that revealed things (I was not told what those things are nor will I prod about them).

-Jonah has an interesting past of having his ex wives/girlfriends boyfriends followed, investigated, photographed etc...

-Rebecca was forbidden to go to the hospital to visit Max.

I will share more as I learn more.

time
12-07-2011, 02:31 PM
After thinking about Gore's threats, I'm left with the thought that he did this because there is something he really does not want them to reveal and the only way he can possibly keep that in check now is to threaten to reveal something hurtful to the family. But the bigger question is - What is it that he doesn't want them to reveal? Is he just trying to shut down media exposure because what they would reveal would just raise questions about a sloppy investigation or is there really significant background stuff about possible perps, about ?, or ? or what?

I hope they call his bluff because if they release stuff about Rebecca that the family never had a chance to see or counter, then where did they get that stuff, did they use it as a basis to claim suicide, and did they thoroughly check that out (as suspect because of where it came from), and investigate the other players in this (Dina, Nina, Adam, Dina's BF, and Jonah as well as his close associates). I'm suspecting they just 'looked at' stuff Dina probably gave them, but now it is part of the investigation file.

Bonepile
12-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Do you get the sense that the s..t is about to hit the fan? I wonder who will be diving under their desk first? Maybe I should start a list.

tiredblondy
12-07-2011, 10:25 PM
I absolutely do not want to offend anyone but wonder if some of those porn pictures might have included pictures of Rebecca. That would account for the gloating by this sick sheriff. It would not have surprised me at all if some were not taken the night she was killed to make her look worse.

Wonder what her sister says about this? I also wouldn't put it past JS to encourage that sort of thing and who knows what was taped. Anything can be planned and I think this murder definitely was.

All of the above is my opinion only.

Mrs. Holmes
12-08-2011, 03:08 AM
I absolutely do not want to offend anyone but wonder if some of those porn pictures might have included pictures of Rebecca. That would account for the gloating by this sick sheriff. It would not have surprised me at all if some were not taken the night she was killed to make her look worse.

Wonder what her sister says about this? I also wouldn't put it past JS to encourage that sort of thing and who knows what was taped. Anything can be planned and I think this murder definitely was.

All of the above is my opinion only.

BG's gloating came before we found out from AB about the porn on the computer. Well, the reporter had some inkling though.

The case needs to be immediately re-investigated. SDSD, AB and the media are tromping on the evidence in many ways and IMO this circus needs to be seriously reigned in and handled by a fresh set of LE professionals.

I suspect AB had hoped and expected BG would cave in sooner and do the "right" thing under media pressure but instead he has just stonewalled and huffed and puffed.

This back and fourth in the media is unprofessional. With someone like BG, AB and the family have very little choice. Usually, media pressure will force an agency to buckle down. I am shocked by BG's actions, he clearly has no interest in re-evaluating this case only defending his agency in the media. He just doesn't have any sense of how bad he is coming across to the public.

My background is in journalism and PR. I have used the media to put pressure on agency's to make change and it is a very effective tool. Never, have I seen a "head honcho" be so stuborn.

Having all the evidence out in the public is damaging, as a murder suspect is getting everything they need to bolster their alibi's and thwart justice.

I really hope this case gets to the AG's office as soon as humanly possible because justice is at stake.

1&2&3
12-08-2011, 12:20 PM
Is it not against the law to threaten someone as Gore has?

As it looks to me, Gore is the bully who is playing the last straw he has! He knows his career is finished if certain information in the files is released or if the case is reopened. Therefore, as a person in power who is use to having the last word and not being challenged, Gore has met Anne Bremner who is not afraid of him and not in his pocket.

As a poster said earlier, the Zahau's have a murdered child, what could be worse to hear? Hearing the threat from Gore would anger me so much, it would give me strength as a Zahau to push forward! Gore has treated them so despicably that his threat would not deter me.

A murderer(s) is running around lose. Power and money does not equate the ability to take another persons life because YOU have determined that person needs to die! Let Gore spill his secrets, as his secrets will come to light too; JS has secrets from the morning of Max's accident, Adam was brought to town for a reason, Dina and Nina have secrets about Rebecca. IMO. Once the secrets start coming out, we will have a case that is easy to solve.

My biggest concern is the AG. Just not too sure if she is in someone's pocket!? :banghead:

jjenny
12-08-2011, 06:10 PM
I certainly don't think any porn pictures included RZ. I am pretty sure Ann Bremner said that asian bondage porn picture was anime-which is a cartoon.

greenpalm
12-10-2011, 10:12 AM
I absolutely do not want to offend anyone but wonder if some of those porn pictures might have included pictures of Rebecca. That would account for the gloating by this sick sheriff. It would not have surprised me at all if some were not taken the night she was killed to make her look worse.

Wonder what her sister says about this? I also wouldn't put it past JS to encourage that sort of thing and who knows what was taped. Anything can be planned and I think this murder definitely was.

All of the above is my opinion only.

Oh you know, I wouldn't be stunned if there might be porn of Rebecca from some point in the past, However, If there were photos or video with Rebecca in them on the Internet to be found they would have surfaced by now. They'd be all over the place, and the media would not hesitate to discuss them. I mean that's a juicy story.

Maybe I'm not easily scandalized anymore, but what could they have on Rebecca now that the family would want to protect? How bad could it be? What would be so embarrassing that you'd let someone get away with murder to keep it quiet?

alexanderdavis
12-10-2011, 01:16 PM
Is it not against the law to threaten someone as Gore has?

As it looks to me, Gore is the bully who is playing the last straw he has! He knows his career is finished if certain information in the files is released or if the case is reopened. Therefore, as a person in power who is use to having the last word and not being challenged, Gore has met Anne Bremner who is not afraid of him and not in his pocket.

As a poster said earlier, the Zahau's have a murdered child, what could be worse to hear? Hearing the threat from Gore would anger me so much, it would give me strength as a Zahau to push forward! Gore has treated them so despicably that his threat would not deter me.

A murderer(s) is running around lose. Power and money does not equate the ability to take another persons life because YOU have determined that person needs to die! Let Gore spill his secrets, as his secrets will come to light too; JS has secrets from the morning of Max's accident, Adam was brought to town for a reason, Dina and Nina have secrets about Rebecca. IMO. Once the secrets start coming out, we will have a case that is easy to solve.

My biggest concern is the AG. Just not too sure if she is in someone's pocket!? :banghead:

I am also concerned with the AG. Seems like the corruption may run very deep here.
Especially after I listened to Nina's interview where she states that the State Attorney General's office sent a personal text to her
saying "thinking of you" and to see how Max was doing. This personal text was sent to her after being finger printed at the house and seems highly unusual to me. I heard it around the 27:13 mark of her interview. Is this normal???

lauriej
12-11-2011, 03:40 PM
I absolutely do not want to offend anyone but wonder if some of those porn pictures might have included pictures of Rebecca. That would account for the gloating by this sick sheriff. It would not have surprised me at all if some were not taken the night she was killed to make her look worse.

Wonder what her sister says about this? I also wouldn't put it past JS to encourage that sort of thing and who knows what was taped. Anything can be planned and I think this murder definitely was.

All of the above is my opinion only.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/rebecca_zahau_suicide_case_reo.php

Rebecca Zahau Suicide Case Reopening Sought by Seattle Attorney Anne Bremner (Updated)


A sheriff's spokesperson elaborated in an e-mail to KFMB-TV (http://www.cbs8.com/story/16194812/sheriff-warns-zahau-attorney-case-file-may-be-opened) in San Diego, stating "We wanted to state in the strongest possible terms to Miss Bremner some of the materials contained [in the case files] are exceedingly sensitive and personal. We will not release material we would rather keep confidential, unless compelled to do so in response to unfounded or inaccurate assertions."

Bremner says she considers the letter a threat to back off. Ironically, she says, "The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."

She is pushing ahead nonetheless, currently preparing a proposal to submit to the California attorney general seeking an independent investigation of the death.

SunnieRN
12-11-2011, 05:21 PM
Is it not against the law to threaten someone as Gore has?

As it looks to me, Gore is the bully who is playing the last straw he has! He knows his career is finished if certain information in the files is released or if the case is reopened. Therefore, as a person in power who is use to having the last word and not being challenged, Gore has met Anne Bremner who is not afraid of him and not in his pocket.

As a poster said earlier, the Zahau's have a murdered child, what could be worse to hear? Hearing the threat from Gore would anger me so much, it would give me strength as a Zahau to push forward! Gore has treated them so despicably that his threat would not deter me.

A murderer(s) is running around lose. Power and money does not equate the ability to take another persons life because YOU have determined that person needs to die! Let Gore spill his secrets, as his secrets will come to light too; JS has secrets from the morning of Max's accident, Adam was brought to town for a reason, Dina and Nina have secrets about Rebecca. IMO. Once the secrets start coming out, we will have a case that is easy to solve.

My biggest concern is the AG. Just not too sure if she is in someone's pocket!? :banghead:

So, at this point who has the most to lose if the case goes to the AG's office? Rebecca, hardly, since she has already suffered the ultimate price for whatever someone believed to be her misgivings.

The S family, yes, they do have a lot to fear, if they are found to be involved in the planning, set up, hiring, or carrying out of Rebecca's murder.

Gore, imho, has the most to lose. There was at best a shoddy investigation, full of misinformation, false statements, refusal to look at actual evidence and a predjudiced against investigating the S family or hanger ons. If this comes to light, he could not only be subject to the loss of his job and career, but criminal investigation for intent to cover up a murder. Seems as if the one who makes the threats, has the biggest reason to defend his misuse of power.

Yoda
12-11-2011, 05:42 PM
Quoted from above: A sheriff's spokesperson elaborated in an e-mail to KFMB-TV in San Diego, stating "We wanted to state in the strongest possible terms to Miss Bremner some of the materials contained [in the case files] are exceedingly sensitive and personal. We will not release material we would rather keep confidential, unless compelled to do so in response to unfounded or inaccurate assertions."

I am confused and maybe naive. They have evidence they say is exceedingly sensitive and personal, but they say she killed herself because she was distraught over max's injury. What could this evidence be that would be so sensitive that related to max's death and supported their suicide theory? Because any other information, porn, dirty letters, ??? would not have any bearing on the case right? I can not figure out what 'evidence' that supports her killing herself because of max would be so sensitive. Does that mean LE can release anything, bank records, diary, health info, all of your Internet searches, etc even if it doesn't have to do with the ruling? Again-suicide because guilt/sadness over injured child was the finding. Sorry, I am stuck and might not be seeing something obvious. Tia

cynic
12-11-2011, 06:30 PM
Quoted from above: A sheriff's spokesperson elaborated in an e-mail to KFMB-TV in San Diego, stating "We wanted to state in the strongest possible terms to Miss Bremner some of the materials contained [in the case files] are exceedingly sensitive and personal. We will not release material we would rather keep confidential, unless compelled to do so in response to unfounded or inaccurate assertions."

I am confused and maybe naive. They have evidence they say is exceedingly sensitive and personal, but they say she killed herself because she was distraught over max's injury. What could this evidence be that would be so sensitive that related to max's death and supported their suicide theory? Because any other information, porn, dirty letters, ??? would not have any bearing on the case right? I can not figure out what 'evidence' that supports her killing herself because of max would be so sensitive. Does that mean LE can release anything, bank records, diary, health info, all of your Internet searches, etc even if it doesn't have to do with the ruling? Again-suicide because guilt/sadness over injured child was the finding. Sorry, I am stuck and might not be seeing something obvious. Tia

Keep in mind: (From lauriej’s post above)
Bremner says she considers the letter a threat to back off. Ironically, she says, "The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."
If the statement by Bremner is to be inclusive of all of what Gore is referencing in his threat, then the "exceedingly sensitive and personal material" must be something that is somewhat unclear. IOW, it cannot be anything clearly attributable to RZ.
I tend to believe that this points to something on her computer, which, of course, may contain the results of activity done by others. I tend to believe that this still has to do with pornography, but who knows?

Bonepile
12-11-2011, 06:46 PM
I think it is more Sheriff's Deartment BS. Maybe they are in the process of manufacturing more "evidence" just in case this moves to the state AG's office. From the time they left Rebecca "exposed" in the yard for the whole day I do not trust anything they have to say. From day one it was determined to be a "suicide" and that is what they made it and that is where they lead it, and I highly doubt they will ever change their determination or their minds.

MyBelle
12-11-2011, 07:00 PM
Oh you know, I wouldn't be stunned if there might be porn of Rebecca from some point in the past, However, If there were photos or video with Rebecca in them on the Internet to be found they would have surfaced by now. They'd be all over the place, and the media would not hesitate to discuss them. I mean that's a juicy story.

Maybe I'm not easily scandalized anymore, but what could they have on Rebecca now that the family would want to protect? How bad could it be? What would be so embarrassing that you'd let someone get away with murder to keep it quiet?

BBM. I think there are emails or witness statements about Max's relationship with RZ that could lead to lawsuits filed by his family or his estate.

JMO

stilettos
12-11-2011, 07:05 PM
BBM. I think there are emails or witness statements about Max's relationship with RZ that could lead to lawsuits filed by his family or his estate.

JMO

Who they gonna sue? The Zahou family? With all the money that Mr. Shacknai and entourage has...well...hmm...one would think that if they had proof of wrong doing they would have already forwarded that to the police before the killing. MOO, that would have been justice.

justice be served
12-11-2011, 07:09 PM
BBM. I think there are emails or witness statements about Max's relationship with RZ that could lead to lawsuits filed by his family or his estate.

JMO

IMO the LAST thing the Shacknai or Romano families are looking to do is open up Pandora's box on Max's accident that then lead to Rebecca's murder.

ufos8mycow
12-11-2011, 08:32 PM
I think the thing the police are withholding is that Rebecca was into S&M. I believe that's why her and the boyfriend were together because it was his fetish.

I believe the computer search from the Southwest account was the boyfriend. I also think he and the ex wife practiced it too. Which makes me question whether Dina knew how to tie the same kind of knots found with Rebecca.

SunnieRN
12-11-2011, 09:19 PM
BBM. I think there are emails or witness statements about Max's relationship with RZ that could lead to lawsuits filed by his family or his estate.

JMO


I think the thing the police are withholding is that Rebecca was into S&M. I believe that's why her and the boyfriend were together because it was his fetish.

I believe the computer search from the Southwest account was the boyfriend. I also think he and the ex wife practiced it too. Which makes me question whether Dina knew how to tie the same kind of knots found with Rebecca.

I would kindly ask for links to support both statements made here.

Mrs. Holmes
12-11-2011, 10:53 PM
BBM. I think there are emails or witness statements about Max's relationship with RZ that could lead to lawsuits filed by his family or his estate.

JMO

That kind of information would provide motive for murder.

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 01:15 AM
That kind of information would provide motive for murder.

I've always held the opinion Max's death involved negligence.

JMO

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 01:23 AM
IMO the LAST thing the Shacknai or Romano families are looking to do is open up Pandora's box on Max's accident that then lead to Rebecca's murder.

I think the parents of any child who dies a death that leaves many questions unanswered wouldn't hesitate to open the Pandora's box in order to find answers.

Rebecca's death hasn't been ruled a murder and I doubt it will ever be ruled a murder.

JMO

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 01:35 AM
Who they gonna sue? The Zahou family? With all the money that Mr. Shacknai and entourage has...well...hmm...one would think that if they had proof of wrong doing they would have already forwarded that to the police before the killing. MOO, that would have been justice.

Weren't two members of the Zahou family present at the time of Max's injuries? Sometimes money isn't the only reason a civil action is filed. Sometimes it is depositions under oath that are sought because the family still seeks answers and aren't satisified with the ME's conclusion or LE's investigation.

JMO

Mrs. Holmes
12-12-2011, 10:30 AM
I've always held the opinion Max's death involved negligence.

JMO

What would be the motive? Why would anyone want to kill or hurt the child?
Again, no history in RZ's background to indicate violent tendencies or suicidal tendencies.

However, there is clear violent tendencies in JS and DS's backgrounds. The death of a child is a huge motive for murder.

A child falliing from a staircase is not uncommon but RZ's death is uncommon.

Mrs. Holmes
12-12-2011, 10:35 AM
Weren't two members of the Zahou family present at the time of Max's injuries? Sometimes money isn't the only reason a civil action is filed. Sometimes it is depositions under oath that are sought because the family still seeks answers and aren't satisified with the ME's conclusion or LE's investigation.

JMO

With the child's death being ruled an accident I don't see how there could be a civil case.

The ME's report on MS seems more solid to me. It fits, it answers questions. While there was confusion until after the autopsy it seemed to become very clear in the ME report. (exactly the opposite with RZ's report) That child hit the railing and then landed on a carpet covered cement floor. Children falliing down stairs is not an uncommon form of accident.

stilettos
12-12-2011, 10:35 AM
Weren't two members of the Zahou family present at the time of Max's injuries? Sometimes money isn't the only reason a civil action is filed. Sometimes it is depositions under oath that are sought because the family still seeks answers and aren't satisified with the ME's conclusion or LE's investigation.

JMO

If that was the case it would have been appropriate to take that action before the killing of RZ. MOO It is also possible that underage members of JS's family were present too. No one has proven that they were not there, definitively.

Mrs. Holmes
12-12-2011, 10:46 AM
I think the parents of any child who dies a death that leaves many questions unanswered wouldn't hesitate to open the Pandora's box in order to find answers.

Rebecca's death hasn't been ruled a murder and I doubt it will ever be ruled a murder.

JMO

I think the child's death is pretty clear it doesn't raise questions for me. The Zahau sister may have more information as to exactly how he fell but I doubt there was negligence. JS is just as responsible for the death of his child as MS died in his home.

Was there a piece of loose carpet, loose railing, unenforced safety rules etc. In your list of suspects I would also include JS. As far as we know right now there have been no indicators in the previous two years RZ was in the child's life that she put him in any kind of danger. The younger sister may have initiated an unsafe game but she is a child and could hardly be held legally responsible.

The "being suffocated before the fall" was ruled out by the ME's report very cleaerly. MS could have been chased, tripped or pushed over the railing in child's play but I don't see RZ having anything to do with this.

I also wonder if MS was autistic, no one has asked this question. If he was, in a large house like that maybe there should have been more than one person responsible for him.

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 07:16 PM
With the child's death being ruled an accident I don't see how there could be a civil case.

The ME's report on MS seems more solid to me. It fits, it answers questions. While there was confusion until after the autopsy it seemed to become very clear in the ME report. (exactly the opposite with RZ's report) That child hit the railing and then landed on a carpet covered cement floor. Children falliing down stairs is not an uncommon form of accident.

Wrongful death lawsuits are often filed for deaths resulting from another's negligence. My father's estate won such a lawsuit.

I don't share your opinion that Max fell down a flight of stairs nor did the ME state his death resulted from a fall down stairs.

JMO

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 07:24 PM
What would be the motive? Why would anyone want to kill or hurt the child?
Again, no history in RZ's background to indicate violent tendencies or suicidal tendencies.

However, there is clear violent tendencies in JS and DS's backgrounds. The death of a child is a huge motive for murder.

A child falliing from a staircase is not uncommon but RZ's death is uncommon.

The intent to murder does not have to be present for a death to nonetheless be the result of negligence. The child's death was preventable. RZ's suicide is not only common but it was also ruled a suicide.

I've yet to hear of a case where parents of a child who is still alive didn't wait for LE to investigate and decided to murder in retaliation. I think it is a rather far-fetched theory in this particular case because it was crudely staged to appear to be a homicide.

JMO

MyBelle
12-12-2011, 07:33 PM
If that was the case it would have been appropriate to take that action before the killing of RZ. MOO It is also possible that underage members of JS's family were present too. No one has proven that they were not there, definitively.

I'm not sure what other children have to do with the Sheriff's "uttering threats" which is the topic of this thread. Max was his mother's only child and I'm betting she will pursue answers and I can't fault her for that. I'd do the same thing. If attorneys are trying to spin a statement of fact into a "threat" then that is an indication to me they are trying to hide information from the public and are worried he will follow through.

JMO

defense101
12-12-2011, 08:18 PM
I'm not sure what other children have to do with the Sheriff's "uttering threats" which is the topic of this thread. Max was his mother's only child and I'm betting she will pursue answers and I can't fault her for that. I'd do the same thing. If attorneys are trying to spin a statement of fact into a "threat" then that is an indication to me they are trying to hide information from the public and are worried he will follow through.

JMO Once the letter was published, there was no spin of a statement, it was clear to the public that there was a threat in the letter IMO

dovebar
12-12-2011, 09:51 PM
The only negligence here possible was JS's buying a mansion with a dangerous staircase when he had a small child.

defense101
12-12-2011, 11:18 PM
Keep in mind: (From lauriej’s post above)
Bremner says she considers the letter a threat to back off. Ironically, she says, "The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."
If the statement by Bremner is to be inclusive of all of what Gore is referencing in his threat, then the "exceedingly sensitive and personal material" must be something that is somewhat unclear. IOW, it cannot be anything clearly attributable to RZ.
I tend to believe that this points to something on her computer, which, of course, may contain the results of activity done by others. I tend to believe that this still has to do with pornography, but who knows? It could possibly be what is contained in her journal that they are threatening to release as well.

MyBelle
12-13-2011, 12:48 AM
Once the letter was published, there was no spin of a statement, it was clear to the public that there was a threat in the letter IMO

No big deal, imo. He stated a fact and I have no doubt he will follow through, as well he should. It is no different than when LE announce they will add extra enforcement and do traffic stops during the holidays. That is also probably perceived as a threat to those who fear getting caught. Actions do have consequences.

JMO

tiredblondy
12-13-2011, 02:36 AM
Some comments are not even worth responding to...same old same old since day 1. Utterly ridiculous.

Mrs. Holmes
12-13-2011, 11:32 AM
It could possibly be what is contained in her journal that they are threatening to release as well.

I seem to remember hearing about some of the content in that "one" journal letter on her phone. It was about the difficulties with JS's children. Pretty normal stuff when your boyfriend has three kids from two different women. Anyone remember when that info came from? AB or SDSD?

Mrs. Holmes
12-13-2011, 11:38 AM
The intent to murder does not have to be present for a death to nonetheless be the result of negligence. The child's death was preventable. RZ's suicide is not only common but it was also ruled a suicide.

I've yet to hear of a case where parents of a child who is still alive didn't wait for LE to investigate and decided to murder in retaliation. I think it is a rather far-fetched theory in this particular case because it was crudely staged to appear to be a homicide.

JMO

Can you provide a link where any authority has stated RZ's death is common?

coastal
12-13-2011, 11:42 AM
Weren't two members of the Zahou family present at the time of Max's injuries? Sometimes money isn't the only reason a civil action is filed. Sometimes it is depositions under oath that are sought because the family still seeks answers and aren't satisified with the ME's conclusion or LE's investigation.

JMO
Are you suggesting that two Zahaus = twice the liability for Maxie's accident? :waitasec:

defense101
12-13-2011, 02:13 PM
I seem to remember hearing about some of the content in that "one" journal letter on her phone. It was about the difficulties with JS's children. Pretty normal stuff when your boyfriend has three kids from two different women. Anyone remember when that info came from? AB or SDSD? It was first mentioned at the SDSO press conference, and the witness (Mary) stated that said she seemed troubled in January and LE said her personal journal for that time backed up that witness. I would say that it being a personal journal and quoted in the media as extensive there is alot of personal feelings and stories contained there in. IMO this could be what Anne Bremner meant when she said
"The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/rebecca_zahau_suicide_case_reo.php

and when the Sheriff's spokesperson said
"We wanted to state in the strongest possible terms to Miss Bremner some of the materials contained (in the case files) are exceedingly sensitive and personal," wrote Sheriff's spokesperson Jan Caldwell. "We will not release material we would rather keep confidential, unless compelled to do so in response to unfounded or inaccurate assertions."

defense101
12-13-2011, 02:18 PM
Wrongful death lawsuits are often filed for deaths resulting from another's negligence. My father's estate won such a lawsuit.

I don't share your opinion that Max fell down a flight of stairs nor did the ME state his death resulted from a fall down stairs.

JMO Sorry for the loss of your father MyBelle, and the ME did state during the press conference that he died as result of the fall.

MyBelle
12-13-2011, 07:15 PM
Sorry for the loss of your father MyBelle, and the ME did state during the press conference that he died as result of the fall.

I'm going by the report and interpretation from a physician friend. Max would have survived the fall if he had been given cpr immediately, in his opinion.

defense101
12-13-2011, 07:24 PM
I'm going by the report and interpretation from a physician friend. Max would have survived the fall if he had been given cpr immediately, in his opinion.I believe Max's fate was determined by the fall, it was stated that Rebecca did give Max CPR and I believe that as it took even the emt's at least 20 minutes and two doses of adrenalin to get his heart going, Rebecca on her own could not have restarted his heart, sadly

IMO

MissJames
12-13-2011, 07:48 PM
Sometimes children die from accidents. Almost every accident is preventable,but real life means accidents happen. Most 6 year olds aren't watched every second they are awake. Max wasn't a toddler ,who would be more likely to have an accident on the stairs.

My son committed suicide quite unexpectedly just after his 15th birthday. We wanted to believe he didn't intend to die and it took awhile to accept that was his intention,even though it was impulsive.There was evidence that it was his decision.LE and the coroner were wonderful .

If I was in the position of Rebecca's family I would never accept she committed suicide. Unless the ME and LE can show more evidence that Rebecca wanted to die ,I just would not accept it. It's all too bizarre. It reeks of murder by someone who wanted to make a statement,not a suicide. JMO.
It actually blows my mind that LE thought they could make this claim and move on. I usually support LE,but this just sounds like a power play . "I said it so you have to believe it and move on".
No parent wants to believe their child would commit suicide,but in this case I think the parents are probably right to fight .

defense101
12-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Sometimes children die from accidents. Almost every accident is preventable,but real life means accidents happen. Most 6 year olds aren't watched every second they are awake. Max wasn't a toddler ,who would be more likely to have an accident on the stairs.

My son committed suicide quite unexpectedly just after his 15th birthday. We wanted to believe he didn't intend to die and it took awhile to accept that was his intention,even though it was impulsive.There was evidence that it was his decision.LE and the coroner were wonderful .

If I was in the position of Rebecca's family I would never accept she committed suicide. Unless the ME and LE can show more evidence that Rebecca wanted to die ,I just would not accept it. It's all too bizarre. It reeks of murder by someone who wanted to make a statement,not a suicide. JMO.
It actually blows my mind that LE thought they could make this claim and move on. I usually support LE,but this just sounds like a power play . "I said it so you have to believe it and move on".
No parent wants to believe their child would commit suicide,but in this case I think the parents are probably right to fight . :hug: So sorry Miss James, I thank you for your insight.

arielilane
12-13-2011, 08:50 PM
I'm going by the report and interpretation from a physician friend. Max would have survived the fall if he had been given cpr immediately, in his opinion.
You are going by the report and interpretation from a physician friend. I'm not clear about what that really means, could you explain further? TIA

MyBelle
12-14-2011, 01:02 AM
I believe Max's fate was determined by the fall, it was stated that Rebecca did give Max CPR and I believe that as it took even the emt's at least 20 minutes and two doses of adrenalin to get his heart going, Rebecca on her own could not have restarted his heart, sadly

IMO

CPR, performed properly, does keep the blood circulating despite the lack of heartbeat. I don't believe RZ performed CPR. The AR does not state that there were witnesses to her giving CPR.

JMO

jjenny
12-14-2011, 12:07 PM
CPR, performed properly, does keep the blood circulating despite the lack of heartbeat. I don't believe RZ performed CPR. The AR does not state that there were witnesses to her giving CPR.

JMO

CPR doesn't save everybody. In fact most people who need CPR don't make it. With the type of severe damage to the spinal cord that Max had I am not sure anything could have saved him at all.

Salem
12-14-2011, 07:21 PM
If you cannot respond to a post you disagree with respectfully, then don't respond. Just move on by. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and just because it maybe different from yours, that doesn't make it wrong. Just different. Let it go and stop bickering.

This post lands at random.

Salem

coastal
12-14-2011, 11:19 PM
It was first mentioned at the SDSO press conference, and the witness (Mary) stated that said she seemed troubled in January and LE said her personal journal for that time backed up that witness. I would say that it being a personal journal and quoted in the media as extensive there is alot of personal feelings and stories contained there in. IMO this could be what Anne Bremner meant when she said
"The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/rebecca_zahau_suicide_case_reo.php

and when the Sheriff's spokesperson said
"We wanted to state in the strongest possible terms to Miss Bremner some of the materials contained (in the case files) are exceedingly sensitive and personal," wrote Sheriff's spokesperson Jan Caldwell. "We will not release material we would rather keep confidential, unless compelled to do so in response to unfounded or inaccurate assertions."
Hi Salem! :seeya:
I was reading through these last few posts again, and it struck me that Gore must know exactly to whom any "exceedingly sensitive and personal" information belongs, and it isn't Rebecca. But because Rebecca's family has requested a review of his investigation, and the law says they are entitled to his files and the information they contain, the (3-legged) table turns and now it's his own ass on the line, since if (read when) any exceedingly sensitive information, which he has just disclosed in defense of his office's "science" and conclusions, shows up in public, bare of spin and sans kool-aid, to embarrass any of his great good friends and/or campaign contributors with the straight dope on Rebecca's death, as well as who knows what sorts of other juicy and (perhaps irrelevant...and potentially even salacious) details, it'll be Gore standing there, holding the bag.

(Man! That ^ is one LONG sentence! I do hope it made sense, because dinner is burning (and late) and my Christmas lights are halfway up and everything and everybody is http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/e020.gif waiting for me to get off the damned laptop.)

Brit
12-15-2011, 10:47 AM
Didn't know which thread to post this on and don't know if it's been posted already. A poem written by rebeccas younger brother.
http://www.highlighthollywood.com/2011/12/14/a-message-from-rebecca-zahaus-younger-brother-and-exclusive-interview-with-zahaus-brother-in-law/

stilettos
12-15-2011, 10:58 AM
Are you suggesting that two Zahaus = twice the liability for Maxie's accident? :waitasec:

If so, I would hope that Rebecca's sister is guarded closely. Because IMO she would be in danger too.

coastal
12-15-2011, 01:54 PM
Didn't know which thread to post this on and don't know if it's been posted already. A poem written by rebeccas younger brother.
http://www.highlighthollywood.com/2011/12/14/a-message-from-rebecca-zahaus-younger-brother-and-exclusive-interview-with-zahaus-brother-in-law/
Thank you for posting this link, Brit. Rebecca was much loved.

IWannaKnow
12-15-2011, 02:36 PM
THEORY:
IF a wealthy, highly placed individual were into a fringe sexual practice such as Asian Bondage (which might involve taking pictures of the activity and storing them on a device seized by SDSO) and this proclivity was known by close associates of said person (with an axe to grind), what better way to set them up than to stage a murder to look like some version of what they thought was going on (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

Two possibilities: 1) Framed person simply lets it go because to do otherwise would only expose them further and cause more damage (and not bring back the dead) or 2) turn the offender/s in to the police and have their entire life exposed and ruined even further.....especially if the person had knowledge of the legal system and exactly how all this would play out. This is the only thing I can rationalize as the basis for Gore's threat. Rebecca would be exposed as participating in this activity with JS, and the pictures would be of her....not him. Wouldn't be good PR for anybody but would look especially bad for Rebecca. It was mentioned on Hinky Meter that the knots are not 'expert', nor the quality performed by true 'artists' of this genre. Well, that is true, and if someone who really didn't know much about it were trying to make it look that way I expect that is exactly the way it would turn out.

JS wouldn't do this IMO - points directly back at him. :lipssealed:

AS? :dunno:?

D-:whistle:/N-:footinmouth:?

Perhaps I'm missing someone else with motive.....

Just my take on the statement by AB from defense101's link:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/rebecca_zahau_suicide_case_reo.php

Bremner says she considers the letter a threat to back off. Ironically, she says, "The personal info to which [Gore] refers doesn't even pertain to Rebecca. He erroneously believes it does. A result, again, of an inadequate investigation."

IMO.

Brit
12-15-2011, 03:21 PM
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/

I am a newbie to websleuths and don't have as much knowledge of le protocol. I looked on the Coronado le website, and saw a whole page of links dedicated to this case. What I find strange is that they have a FAQ link about this case, explaining some of their findings. Is this normal protocol? Do most le do this once an investigation is closed? Seems like they are putting way too much effort into making it seem like they have this iron clad theory. If they have no worries or concerns about their investigation, why bother with this? Seems to me it just adds more fuel to the media fire. If they at so sure about their theory of suicide, why do they feel like they need to justify every detail that comes out in the media? But like I said, alot of you have more knowledge about le protocol than I do.

Brit
12-15-2011, 03:29 PM
Hi Salem! :seeya:
I was reading through these last few posts again, and it struck me that Gore must know exactly to whom any "exceedingly sensitive and personal" information belongs, and it isn't Rebecca. But because Rebecca's family has requested a review of his investigation, and the law says they are entitled to his files and the information they contain, the (3-legged) table turns and now it's his own ass on the line, since if (read when) any exceedingly sensitive information, which he has just disclosed in defense of his office's "science" and conclusions, shows up in public, bare of spin and sans kool-aid, to embarrass any of his great good friends and/or campaign contributors with the straight dope on Rebecca's death, as well as who knows what sorts of other juicy and (perhaps irrelevant...and potentially even salacious) details, it'll be Gore standing there, holding the bag.

(Man! That ^ is one LONG sentence! I do hope it made sense, because dinner is burning (and late) and my Christmas lights are halfway up and everything and everybody is http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/e020.gif waiting for me to get off the damned laptop.)

I completely agree. I think that whatever personal info he would have released about rz, it was probably the porn on the computer. But since ab released that info, there is nothing else he could have. IMO, if there was anything really sinister in rz's past, it would have been released to the media, just as the shoplifting was.

time
12-15-2011, 07:01 PM
THEORY:
IF a wealthy, highly placed individual were into a fringe sexual practice such as Asian Bondage (which might involve taking pictures of the activity and storing them on a device seized by SDSO) and this proclivity was known by close associates of said person (with an axe to grind), what better way to set them up than to stage a murder to look like some version of what they thought was going on (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

Two possibilities: 1) Framed person simply lets it go because to do otherwise would only expose them further and cause more damage (and not bring back the dead) or 2) turn the offender/s in to the police and have their entire life exposed and ruined even further.....especially if the person had knowledge of the legal system and exactly how all this would play out. This is the only thing I can rationalize as the basis for Gore's threat. Rebecca would be exposed as participating in this activity with JS, and the pictures would be of her....not him. Wouldn't be good PR for anybody but would look especially bad for Rebecca. It was mentioned on Hinky Meter that the knots are not 'expert', nor the quality performed by true 'artists' of this genre. Well, that is true, and if someone who really didn't know much about it were trying to make it look that way I expect that is exactly the way it would turn out.

JS wouldn't do this IMO - points directly back at him. :lipssealed:

AS? :dunno:?

D-:whistle:/N-:footinmouth:?

Perhaps I'm missing someone else with motive.....

Just my take on the statement by AB from defense101's link:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/rebecca_zahau_suicide_case_reo.php


IMO.


I think all of this is entirely possible. I hate to say this, but I've suspected for a while that Jonah is not involved directly in any murder. Even if not, he could have known Dina and Nina were upset and trying to contact Rebecca. He may have known when Ada, texted him that Rebecca could have been or was murdered and why he never went back to the house. Else, maybe Dina said, Hey sorry, it's your turn to be at the hospital and I'm not letting you out of it? The other three, however, have become more suspect in my mind.

Is Dina's only alibi that they did not see her leave the parking lot? Or? I tend to believe the eye witness who says they say her outside the mansion that night. Nina calling and there too. Too coincidental when Rebecca died sometime after she talked to her sister, never responded to the claimed voice mail, screams heard, etc. I tend to think D & N were progressively whipped up into a frenzy over Max's death and that started immediately, was fueled by the doctor's opinion about Max and past hatred. All those hours away from the hospital for Dina? As for Adam ... sorry but his actions and 911 call are just too far from the norm and callous/cold.

Brit
12-15-2011, 07:21 PM
I was just surfing the net looking for any updates on if ab got the go ahead by the le to go into the mansion to do their own investigation and I came across this forum. Anyone els see this? Please look. I was reading thru some of threads....completely anti rz. Creepy to me. Makes me wonder who started it?

http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/rebecca-zahau-case-f5.html

SunnieRN
12-15-2011, 08:07 PM
If that was the case it would have been appropriate to take that action before the killing of RZ. MOO It is also possible that underage members of JS's family were present too. No one has proven that they were not there, definitively.

Quite the opposite in fact, since Rebecca's phone had their flight leaving at 1 pm, and seriously, who was the family taxi service, maid, babysitter etc.


I'm going by the report and interpretation from a physician friend. Max would have survived the fall if he had been given cpr immediately, in his opinion.

Your physician friend, as it has been pointed out numerous times, did not and was not involved, or present during the autopsy in any way, shape or form. I would say that makes it an opinion only, which I have several physicians I know and work with who have stated the exact opposite of your statement. This includes trauma doctors, an ME, and pediatricians.

I think Max's death is highly suspicious and there are questions that HAVE to be answered. Starting with the out and out lie that the children left at half past sunrise.


CPR, performed properly, does keep the blood circulating despite the lack of heartbeat. I don't believe RZ performed CPR. The AR does not state that there were witnesses to her giving CPR.

JMO

Beliefs are one thing, facts yet another. Max's fall was unwitnessed making immediate cpr impossible. Rebecca was witnessed giving cpr to Max. She must have been more than competent, since a LE officer, who is trained and required to be a first responder, allowed her to keep performing cpr and didn't take over.

Also cor is now only compressions, leaving Rebecca's mouth free to scream, cry or utter any words she felt at the time. FACTS!


I was just surfing the net looking for any updates on if ab got the go ahead by the le to go into the mansion to do their own investigation and I came across this forum. Anyone els see this? Please look. I was reading thru some of threads....completely anti rz. Creepy to me. Makes me wonder who started it?

http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/rebecca-zahau-case-f5.html

This is creepto grando! A LOT of posters are kitten, kat etc names. I think it is one or two posters with a split personality, entertaining themselves. CREEPY!

time
12-15-2011, 08:15 PM
I was just surfing the net looking for any updates on if ab got the go ahead by the le to go into the mansion to do their own investigation and I came across this forum. Anyone els see this? Please look. I was reading thru some of threads....completely anti rz. Creepy to me. Makes me wonder who started it?

http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/rebecca-zahau-case-f5.html

I saw that a while back.... at least one of the people, or the only one, who started that continually posts negative stuff about Rebecca. I think they have been for months. Lots of that kind of stuff on Patch from same posters. You might take a clue from the title of the blog and the word 'sick'. Makes you wonder.

coastal
12-16-2011, 02:16 AM
Hi, time! High time! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/g035.gif Sorry.

Hi, Brit! Welcome to Rebecca's forum!

I tend to agree with you, time, that Jonah didn't "murder" Rebecca. I doubt he's the kind of guy who handles his personal affairs so directly. He seems like more of a director to me (albeit a passive/aggressive one) He won't be run by his passions (pft...:floorlaugh: ) <strike that> feelings the same way he wouldn't follow another person's lead: no control. He controls (things/people/business) because the people he surrounds himself with give it to him. He doesn't project a hands-on sort of personal strength, to me.

I think Jonah is the kind of man who manipulates. Who stirs pots. Who whispers and infers and expects, but never actually asks anything of anybody, for any reason. You should know/do/be/say (whatever it is). If you loved him (he believes) you wouldn't have to be told (whatever). You'd just know, do, and be that. If you don't, fine. You're done. I think Jonah bestows his favor upon what pleases him as easily as he withholds it from what doesn't, probably without uttering so much as a syllable. And, I think the people in his life think he really is "all that", because he wouldn't have it any other way.

But that's just my take on Jonah. MOO. I've never met the man, don't know any zillionaires, and don't do facial injections of any shape, color or flavor.

HAving said all that, I believe Rebecca died because she knew this man. He owns some responsibility for both deaths, no matter how they came about; he should have assured their safety in his home. I'm fuzzy as to what else I think he's guilty of, but I do think he must be. I'm sorry his son died, but I just don't trust him.

IWannaKnow
12-16-2011, 11:29 AM
@costal and time:

Agreed! With everything you both said! I don't think JS would dirty his hands in this fashion. BUT he had to know how pi$$ed off other people were. I think his major failure in both Max and Rebecca's deaths was failing to PROTECT both of them from clearly foreseeable (but very different) circumstances. But once the deeds were done, what is the point of exposing himself further? Won't bring either of them back and will expose ALOT more dirty laundry to tell what he knows and bring the killer/s to 'justice'. So much dirty laundry it might even tank his already teetering business - certainly don't want that to happen. Better to just play along and act outraged at the injustice - IMO of course. Couldn't guess that all these rag-tag citizens would be outraged over the treatment of 'a girl'......

FWIW, I really don't think AS was involved past finding her. I think he flunked the LDT because he knew (or suspected) who was responsible. I imagine him - pipes cleaned, still fuzzy from sleeping pills (for all we know this is his usual routine) and coffeeless when BAM - there she is. He may sleep soundly enough not to hear a freight train passing and slept through the murder but was forced to make several decisions and perform several actions while still half asleep once he found her. I think that MIGHT account for the strange 911 call. If he has a 'problem' I imagine that was well known within the family which would have made him a perfect patsy. IMO.

IWannaKnow
12-16-2011, 11:41 AM
I was just surfing the net looking for any updates on if ab got the go ahead by the le to go into the mansion to do their own investigation and I came across this forum. Anyone els see this? Please look. I was reading thru some of threads....completely anti rz. Creepy to me. Makes me wonder who started it?

http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/rebecca-zahau-case-f5.html

Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do. :seeya:

coastal
12-16-2011, 01:33 PM
Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do. :seeya:
My name is coastal and I http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f038.gif read every word at that site last night. I admit I was powerless to stop, even though the Bolshoi was dancing "The Nutcracker" in the very next room and I knew I should. I have a screaming headache and no more wisdom. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f040.gif
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f047.gif I need a meeting.

Brit
12-16-2011, 01:53 PM
I am glad that the Zahau attorneys also want to investigate max's accident if they are able to get into the mansion because I feel as though that will lead to some answers in Rebecca's murder. Early on, I believe it was stated that js was jogging to the gym the morning of max's accident. I wonder if this was his usual routine? Although I feel like Rebecca had nothing to do with max's fall, there were a few different versions of what happened that Rebecca had apparently told different people....ie, max saying "ocean" when the dr's said it was most likely impossible for him to have said anything, and what she supposedly told nr about max having cardiac arrest on the stairs and collapsing. I wonder if she was told to say these things to cover up what might have really happened. Although I really believe that what happened to the little boy must've been a terrible accident. Jmo.

Brit
12-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do. :seeya:

There are really hateful things that are posted on that site. Seems very personal and full of rage and hate. It's really creepy and bizaare to think of someone spending so much time and energy on that.

IWannaKnow
12-16-2011, 09:14 PM
My name is coastal and I http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f038.gif read every word at that site last night. I admit I was powerless to stop, even though the Bolshoi was dancing "The Nutcracker" in the very next room and I knew I should. I have a screaming headache and no more wisdom. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f040.gif
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/f047.gif I need a meeting.

:floorlaugh:

You poor thing! You read the WHOLE THING? Do we need to do an intervention?

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

dovebar
12-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Hi, time! High time! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/g035.gif Sorry.

Hi, Brit! Welcome to Rebecca's forum!

I tend to agree with you, time, that Jonah didn't "murder" Rebecca. I doubt he's the kind of guy who handles his personal affairs so directly. He seems like more of a director to me (albeit a passive/aggressive one) He won't be run by his passions (pft...:floorlaugh: ) <strike that> feelings the same way he wouldn't follow another person's lead: no control. He controls (things/people/business) because the people he surrounds himself with give it to him. He doesn't project a hands-on sort of personal strength, to me.

I think Jonah is the kind of man who manipulates. Who stirs pots. Who whispers and infers and expects, but never actually asks anything of anybody, for any reason. You should know/do/be/say (whatever it is). If you loved him (he believes) you wouldn't have to be told (whatever). You'd just know, do, and be that. If you don't, fine. You're done. I think Jonah bestows his favor upon what pleases him as easily as he withholds it from what doesn't, probably without uttering so much as a syllable. And, I think the people in his life think he really is "all that", because he wouldn't have it any other way.

But that's just my take on Jonah. MOO. I've never met the man, don't know any zillionaires, and don't do facial injections of any shape, color or flavor.

HAving said all that, I believe Rebecca died because she knew this man. He owns some responsibility for both deaths, no matter how they came about; he should have assured their safety in his home. I'm fuzzy as to what else I think he's guilty of, but I do think he must be. I'm sorry his son died, but I just don't trust him.

I get a different sense, both that he is incredibly controlling but when he snaps, his rage knows no boundaries. This is why he has a domestic violence history with multiple women. He hasn't been able to keep it in check before. Since he doesn't seem to have had any court-ordered therapy, there's no reason to think this relationship was different.

SunnieRN
12-17-2011, 12:14 AM
If so, I would hope that Rebecca's sister is guarded closely. Because IMO she would be in danger too.

Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?


@costal and time:

Agreed! With everything you both said! I don't think JS would dirty his hands in this fashion. BUT he had to know how pi$$ed off other people were. I think his major failure in both Max and Rebecca's deaths was failing to PROTECT both of them from clearly foreseeable (but very different) circumstances. But once the deeds were done, what is the point of exposing himself further? Won't bring either of them back and will expose ALOT more dirty laundry to tell what he knows and bring the killer/s to 'justice'. So much dirty laundry it might even tank his already teetering business - certainly don't want that to happen. Better to just play along and act outraged at the injustice - IMO of course. Couldn't guess that all these rag-tag citizens would be outraged over the treatment of 'a girl'......

FWIW, I really don't think AS was involved past finding her. I think he flunked the LDT because he knew (or suspected) who was responsible. I imagine him - pipes cleaned, still fuzzy from sleeping pills (for all we know this is his usual routine) and coffeeless when BAM - there she is. He may sleep soundly enough not to hear a freight train passing and slept through the murder but was forced to make several decisions and perform several actions while still half asleep once he found her. I think that MIGHT account for the strange 911 call. If he has a 'problem' I imagine that was well known within the family which would have made him a perfect patsy. IMO.

So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.


I get a different sense, both that he is incredibly controlling but when he snaps, his rage knows no boundaries. This is why he has a domestic violence history with multiple women. He hasn't been able to keep it in check before. Since he doesn't seem to have had any court-ordered therapy, there's no reason to think this relationship was different.

Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.

Mrs. Holmes
12-17-2011, 11:08 AM
Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?

What in the world? That thought just came to mind yesterday. Wondering how JS responded to XZ at the funeral.

So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

For me all the evidence points to JS & AS. They had huge motive and opportunity. His porn response to LE was shocking. Why say that unless you are unbalanced, never slept and you know your DNA will need to be explained?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.


Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.

That was weird. Why lie? A family emergency is the normal response.

I want to add that the getting rid of the dog was about hate for the dog. I think MS was using his razor upstairs and tripped over the railing because of the dog. That is why RZ said bedroom. She thought he was in his bedroom when she went to the bathroom. That is why RZ said the last thing he said was Ocean. He yelled the dog's name as he fell because the dog tripped him up. IMO that is why Ocean was sent to the dog kennell and then suddenly retrieved... another PR move. I wonder WHERE that dog is. When JS learned from the doctor tuesday night his son would never walk or talk again he went home for answers and lost it. He has a history of violence with his ex's. We see evidence from Dr. CW that she could have been strangled prior to the hanging..... it all fits together tragically. That is my opinion on this.

dovebar
12-17-2011, 01:38 PM
This seems like the most plausible scenario to me too.

It's typical of controlling men that all their anger gets displaced outwards. First, someone has to be to blame - accidents don't happen. Second, it can't possibly be THEM to blame. It can't be that they bought a mansion with a dangerous staircase, then a razor, then allowed their darling son to play with it in the house. Presumably, if RZ had tried to put limits on MS's behavior, she would have been seen as a witch who didn't want the child to have any fun. But even the dog and the razor are beside the point because it was MS' decision to set up all these conditions - but some magic fairy should have prevented them all from colliding.

Brit
12-17-2011, 03:27 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1450&start=200

Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.

elfie
12-17-2011, 05:09 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1450&start=200

Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.

Thanks for sharing her theory. The theory has been kicked around in various forms here, too. In conjunction with her subsequent post about the sudden gym closing it takes on a new meaning. There was always the possibility that JS took the kids and got the hello out of Dodge that morning before EMS was called, but I think it was stated that it took 30 minutes for paramedics to establish a heartbeat and regular breathing for Max--though that does seem like an awfully long time, and points to the extent of his injuries.

Was it just a coincidence or was the gym closing somehow related? She makes a good point.

Sorry that I've been missing in action, we just got back from my daughter's graduation and sight seeing in Australia.

elfie
12-17-2011, 05:14 PM
Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do. :seeya:

I had seen her links posted earlier on in Patch comments but would not visit the site. Too many complaints about tracking and other weirdness.

elfie
12-17-2011, 05:24 PM
Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?

EW, No, I didn't! Just wrong on so many levels...grrrrrr. I hope she is receiving counseling.


So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.

Same here, it was not for nothing that he was JS' only sibling there.



Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.

Salem
12-17-2011, 07:08 PM
WARNING: Guys! You cannot just blatantly post that someone is guilty of something.

You may discuss media and LE reports and you may speculate, theorize and express your OPINION - but you cannot accuse and/or make stuff up or state something as fact without a link to back it up.

This post lands at random, but remember you are responsible for your words.

Salem

dovebar
12-18-2011, 12:59 AM
Wouldn't it be helpful to anyone following these threads to point out where someone has done this? It all seems like speculation to me, including my own posts, which simply offer opinions based on reported news. But perhaps there are phrases that cross the line that we can all avoid, if we know what they are.

SunnieRN
12-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Thanks for sharing her theory. The theory has been kicked around in various forms here, too. In conjunction with her subsequent post about the sudden gym closing it takes on a new meaning. There was always the possibility that JS took the kids and got the hello out of Dodge that morning before EMS was called, but I think it was stated that it took 30 minutes for paramedics to establish a heartbeat and regular breathing for Max--though that does seem like an awfully long time, and points to the extent of his injuries.

Was it just a coincidence or was the gym closing somehow related? She makes a good point.

Sorry that I've been missing in action, we just got back from my daughter's graduation and sight seeing in Australia.

First off, I hope you had a wonderful time in Australia and congratulations to your daughter!!

You know, there are many, MANY people involved in Rebecca's death, that have the potential to have their lives altered, based upon what they did, do, said, say, etc.

I think, going back to square one, could help us all get a handle on what the truth is and who may be telling the truth!

As for when the older Shacknai children left Coronado, or at least the mansion, a friend of the oldest child, the daughter, stated to news reporters, VERY early in the case, that the daughter left in a taxi, shortly prior to ems arriving. This is a friend of GS, who attends school with her, was in Coronado with his family, on vacation. He knows GS, is friends with other friends of GS and imho, has NO reason to lie. This statement was made prior to all the hoopla surrounding this case.

There is also the point that many would have us ignore. Who was the person who shuttled everyone and made sure they got to or where they needed/wanted to be? Rebecca picked up Nina, picked up HL, picked up Adam, dropped off HL. In her day planner, on her phone, she had the note that the older Shacknai childrens flight, was at one pm. How would Rebecca have gotten that so very wrong?

Even if the older Shacknai children were at the house, it doesn't mean that they had anything to do with the accident Max had. So, why all the subterfuge? This case is truly bizarre. It just keeps on getting stranger.

jjenny
12-18-2011, 12:56 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1450&start=200

Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.

I don't believe that 30 minutes without oxygen was prior to paramedics arriving. Rather it appears to be total time without oxygen. Even after paramedics arrived they couldn't start his heart for quite some time. And I also don't believe that it was simply a lack of oxygen that killed him. He had extensive spinal cord damage. I am not sure that kind of damage is compatible with life.

lauriej
12-18-2011, 02:47 PM
As for when the older Shacknai children left Coronado, or at least the mansion, a friend of the oldest child, the daughter, stated to news reporters, VERY early in the case, that the daughter left in a taxi, shortly prior to ems arriving. This is a friend of GS, who attends school with her, was in Coronado with his family, on vacation. He knows GS, is friends with other friends of GS and imho, has NO reason to lie. This statement was made prior to all the hoopla surrounding this case.

There is also the point that many would have us ignore. Who was the person who shuttled everyone and made sure they got to or where they needed/wanted to be? Rebecca picked up Nina, picked up HL, picked up Adam, dropped off HL. In her day planner, on her phone, she had the note that the older Shacknai childrens flight, was at one pm. How would Rebecca have gotten that so very wrong?

Even if the older Shacknai children were at the house, it doesn't mean that they had anything to do with the accident Max had. So, why all the subterfuge? This case is truly bizarre. It just keeps on getting stranger.

--he didn't say how she left, or when.


--just that it was sometime before emergency crews arrived responding to maxie's fall. ( they could have had an 8 a.m. flight for all we know..)

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/16/20110716arizona-ceo-dead-woman-coronado-mystery.html
--snipped---


Prchal said he is friends with Shacknai's eldest daughter, 14-year-old GS. He said he has talked with her several times since the death at her father's home, mostly to make sure she is OK.

Prchal said GS has not talked a lot about Zahau's death or the injury to her 6-year-old brother. "It's kind of intimate," he said. "She doesn't want to talk about them."

GS was in Coronado until Monday morning, when she returned to her South Carolina home, Prchal said. She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.

jjenny
12-18-2011, 06:07 PM
--he didn't say how she left, or when.


--just that it was sometime before emergency crews arrived responding to maxie's fall. ( they could have had an 8 a.m. flight for all we know..)

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/16/20110716arizona-ceo-dead-woman-coronado-mystery.html
--snipped---


Prchal said he is friends with Shacknai's eldest daughter, 14-year-old GS. He said he has talked with her several times since the death at her father's home, mostly to make sure she is OK.

Prchal said GS has not talked a lot about Zahau's death or the injury to her 6-year-old brother. "It's kind of intimate," he said. "She doesn't want to talk about them."

GS was in Coronado until Monday morning, when she returned to her South Carolina home, Prchal said. She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.

I find this statement confusing. If GS left very early that morning, prior to the fall, why state that she left prior to emergency crews responding instead of she left before the accident? I wish reporter elaborated on when exactly she left.

dovebar
12-18-2011, 11:42 PM
When I follow that think, I can't find the theory that others are talking about. Maybe there was so much I missed it.

Can anyone summarize what they think is correct, and how the gym and the others leaving fits in?

If others left AFTER Max was hurt, that seems completely bizarre.