View Full Version : Babysitting: 1. Tarah & Mike P Convo 2. The Hinks 3. Mom's Veracity
al66pine
01-02-2012, 07:07 AM
Tarah's & Mike P. Convo re Babysitting - the Flu & a Week?
What did Mom tell Mike about Keeping the Children?
Some posters said, as Tarah was on FaceBook & playing games online, she used flu as a excuse for allowing the children to be w. Mike P.
Imo, the reference to “week” is pivotal to understanding this.
One angle about children being there for “a week” seems esp. hinky to me.
Multiple MSM articles on Ali’s missing status discussed the girls being w. Mike P. for a “week.”
Had they already stayed a week then? Not at the time of these articles.
IIRC, the girls went there Tues. Dec. 20 after school and started to spend a “week” there.
A week?
If you (or some, many, most, or all employed people you know) came down w. the flu Tues. and phoned mgr. at work to alert
that you (they) would not be at work that day, would you (they) say ---
----“I’m sick w. the flu and I won’t be at work for a week.” or
----“I’m sick w. the flu and I won’t be in today.” The next day, you wd either go to work or call again. Right?
If you initially said I won’t be in for a week, your mgr wd likely think your flu was bogus.
Seems to me that a stay at home mom coming down w. the flu would use the same or similar approach in seeking babysitter coverage --
----I’m sick, can you keep the kids today?
----Not say - I’m sick today, but will recover a week from now, so you could bring them back then.
Did Tarah ask one of these two questions of Mike P?
Or did Tarah & Mike P’s conversation follow a different line? What did they say about the girls staying w. him?
al66pine
01-02-2012, 07:19 AM
Unusual circumstances re this Babysitter & These Children
There were many curious factors about the circumstances of this babysitter & these children:
---girls, ages 9 and 6.
---one girl a previous victim for multiple abuse or molestations.
--- the same girl w, special mental health issues.
----39 y/o male babysitter.
----<unusual, cubed> babysitter.
----Mom w flu still able to be on FBk and to play games online.
--- Mom w. no reported overwhelming reason not to safety-ck in person or speak to kids on phone daily.
---step-fa, w. no reported overwhelming reason not to safety-ck in person or speak to kids on phone.
---Mom’s <unusual, squared> father’s criminal history.
--- rumors = boys remaining at home, while girls were w. male sitter.
--- rumors = boys remaining at home were younger, so, less capable of self care & helping Mom & S-Fa.
--- rumors = girls w. sitter were older, so, more capable of self care & helping Mom & S-Fa.
----Others sleuthers noted - Tarah & step-fa’s 2d wedding anniversary, 12/21/11 during that week.
Which, if any of these, are most important?
What do these cummulative, total circumstances tell LE, the prosecutor, and ultimately the jury, about the girls being in the care of Mike P. for a week?
hkhart
01-02-2012, 07:21 AM
I thought the initial claim was that she had had a fever for several days and didn't want the kids to get sick. Not sure where fever became flu if online or msm.
al66pine
01-02-2012, 07:24 AM
Did Mom lie? About what? Anything else? Why?
Despite multiple red flags re the babysitter - children combo, Mom and/or S-Fa allowed it to happen.
And intended it to continue for a week, not just a single evening.
And Mom said, it was because she had the flu [knew she would have the flu for a week],
IIRC, either her personal stmt to MSM or LE repeating her stmt to MSM.
Based on totality of circumstances, Mom LIED, imo, about the flu, the purported reason for a week stay.
Does her lie expose her consciousness of guilt for allowing this?
Why would she lie & fabricate a reason for the intended week long stay?
Because the actual reason for a week long stay would reflect less favorably on her & S-Fa?
What could reflect less favorably on them, less favorably than their negligence?
And their callous disregard of red flags? Maybe possible contemplated harm to one of the girls?
Did Mom lie? About what? About anything else? Why?
hkhart
01-02-2012, 07:24 AM
I think the fever/flu was an excuse for poor decisions. A 9 year olds could new a big help to the baby boy at home.
Etilema
01-02-2012, 09:10 AM
I totally agree that the circumstances outlined point to something more sinister than just bad decision, IMO.
Another point about about the "week long" stay is that that week included Christmas.
I thought about the "not wanting the kids to get sick" idea, but then why would the boys stay home? (Have we established that they did?)
Also, if mom was so sick, why would it be at all believable that she came to pick up Ali? And if she were well enough to do that, why would she not take the other girls at that time (or later)? In other words, if Ali was thought to no longer needed a babysitter at 10AM, why did the other girls still need to be there until at least after 8PM?
There is more to be said and asked, but these questions are already quite a bit for me to chew on.
JMO
I believe that Aliahna told a friend at school that she would be staying at a "friend's" house for a week. I would love to know WHEN she told her friend that . .. which might let us know if and when this extended sleepover party was PLANNED in advance.
Adrienne37
01-02-2012, 09:59 AM
Ya'll need to remember that she was paralyzed for this time period as well and just simply couldn't take care of the children. Remember her friend said the paralysis was only temporary and she should be able to walk in a few days?
beach
01-02-2012, 10:12 AM
Ya'll need to remember that she was paralyzed for this time period as well and just simply couldn't take care of the children. Remember her friend said the paralysis was only temporary and she should be able to walk in a few days?
IIRC, her temporary paralysis didn't kick in until she found out MP had confessed to murdering Aliahna.
Also it is important to note that I read 3 MSM articles and every single one of them attributed this "temporary paralysis" condition as "according to friends". We don't have any medical proof that she was actually paralyzed, temporary or otherwise. I've only seen a photo of her being wheeled away from the hospital in a wheelchair. (I guess the ER, because I haven't seen where she was ever admitted as an inpatient.)
dmac55
01-02-2012, 10:14 AM
http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/home/Missing-Juvenile-136180558.html
Kathleen Mckee lives just down the road from where Aliahna was last seen.
Mckee's daughter, Amelia, says Aliahna told her about her winter break plans. "She told me she was going to a friend's house the last day of school before Christmas break."
Mckee's daughter, Amelia, rides the school bus with Aliahna. Amelia says she's worried about what happened to her friend. "She's my friend, and I just... we're friends."
I know it's been said that Tarah sent the girls to Plumadore's and kept the boys. But did she have any boys? I saw a posting of hers, when Aliahana was listed as 8 and the other two girls as age 4, saying she was a mother of 3 (with the third being the step daughter).
Did she have any children since then?
hkhart
01-02-2012, 10:49 AM
I totally agree that the circumstances outlined point to something more sinister than just bad decision, IMO.
Another point about about the "week long" stay is that that week included Christmas.
I thought about the "not wanting the kids to get sick" idea, but then why would the boys stay home? (Have we established that they did?)
Also, if mom was so sick, why would it be at all believable that she came to pick up Ali? And if she were well enough to do that, why would she not take the other girls at that time (or later)? In other words, if Ali was thought to no longer needed a babysitter at 10AM, why did the other girls still need to be there until at least after 8PM?
There is more to be said and asked, but these questions are already quite a bit for me to chew on.
JMO
I agree that there was something else going on. I believe she didn't want to be bothered with the girls and after the fact decided she needed to have an excuse as to why they had been there since Tuesday - being that her daughter was reported missing Friday night. The fever gives her an out so to speak. One of the earlier MSM said she had fever, but if in fact she is a stay at home mom and truly had the flue don't you imagine that her children probably were exposed to it and gave it to her....yet her claim was that she wanted to keep them healthy and let her husband sleep. She was trying to cover her behind.
hoppy
01-02-2012, 11:04 AM
Sisters of slain 9 year old in protective custody (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111230/NEWS/111239957)
I don't think it was ever confirmed that there were boys in the house? Only a FB posting that said something about the number of people sick and it was assumed from that?
I think it highly improbable that they would not remove ALL the children?
So - no hard facts - but this - TO ME - implies the other girls were the only other children in the home??
passionflower
01-02-2012, 11:49 AM
It would be nice to know if anyone saw TS out shopping for Christmas while being so sick...............
not a word from her husband?
It would be nice to know if anyone saw TS out shopping for Christmas while being so sick...............
not a word from her husband?
Absolutely! Or, if Santa or his elves stopped by with some medications, etc., etc., for our desperately ill "stay at home mom".
krimekat
01-02-2012, 11:57 AM
I don't know if we'll ever be able to determine how many children/adults "lived" at the Souders' trailer from time to time. So many players with so many kids . . .
IIRC a post indicating there were "5 out of 6 kids" PLUS another kid that Tarah was taking to the dr due to sickness. This was in late-Oct.
I, too, think that CPS would have removed ALL children, not just the 2 girls, and place them in protective custody IF there was no family (OMG, cannot believe I'm saying this) to provide care for them.
lillygator
01-02-2012, 12:02 PM
did she work? have any co-workers come out and said she called in sick?
Sisters of slain 9 year old in protective custody (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111230/NEWS/111239957)
I don't think it was ever confirmed that there were boys in the house? Only a FB posting that said something about the number of people sick and it was assumed from that?
I think it highly improbable that they would not remove ALL the children?
So - no hard facts - but this - TO ME - implies the other girls were the only other children in the home??
so if the girls were their only children, that means that Tarah and Allen had the place all to themselves, while their kids were out sleeping either on the floor, in chairs or in Plumadore's bed.:maddening:
mysteriew
01-02-2012, 12:26 PM
IIRC, her temporary paralysis didn't kick in until she found out MP had confessed to murdering Aliahna.
Also it is important to note that I read 3 MSM articles and every single one of them attributed this "temporary paralysis" condition as "according to friends". We don't have any medical proof that she was actually paralyzed, temporary or otherwise. I've only seen a photo of her being wheeled away from the hospital in a wheelchair. (I guess the ER, because I haven't seen where she was ever admitted as an inpatient.)
BBM
Would an injection of say steroids or gold cause a temporary paralysis?
http://www.ehow.com/list_5757384_types-used-joint-injection-pain.html
menmo
01-02-2012, 12:40 PM
I believe that Aliahna told a friend at school that she would be staying at a "friend's" house for a week. I would love to know WHEN she told her friend that . .. which might let us know if and when this extended sleepover party was PLANNED in advance.
I wish we knew that "friends" name. I think she was talking about Plumadore but I have read others didn't think that and maybe her plans got changed.
IIRC, her temporary paralysis didn't kick in until she found out MP had confessed to murdering Aliahna.
Also it is important to note that I read 3 MSM articles and every single one of them attributed this "temporary paralysis" condition as "according to friends". We don't have any medical proof that she was actually paralyzed, temporary or otherwise. I've only seen a photo of her being wheeled away from the hospital in a wheelchair. (I guess the ER, because I haven't seen where she was ever admitted as an inpatient.)
If she went to the ER I'm betting it was for pills. Not saying that she wouldn't need them, I know I would and I don't like pills, but I have thought since the beginning she was probably a pillhead and more.
MOO
did she work? have any co-workers come out and said she called in sick?
She LOVES being a stay at home mom (!) according to her Facebook.
hoppy
01-02-2012, 12:50 PM
Sisters of slain 9 year old in protective custody (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111230/NEWS/111239957)
I don't think it was ever confirmed that there were boys in the house? Only a FB posting that said something about the number of people sick and it was assumed from that?
I think it highly improbable that they would not remove ALL the children?
So - no hard facts - but this - TO ME - implies the other girls were the only other children in the home??
Also - I would find it hard to believe that MSM wouldn't have reported something about the 'other children' in the home?
I haven't seen any mention of any other children by neighbors, etc, only references to the girls.
So I'm thinking that maybe there were other 'children' of theirs visiting at the time --- or the reference to the total number going to the doctor was other adults and NOT children? (I often tease and refer to having FOUR children because I include my dh in the number. :) He grows older just not up! :) )
sherryk
01-02-2012, 12:55 PM
The flu is a poor excuse. I have had the flu or a bad cold .. my kids around the same age stay at home with me.. they help out around the home.
The flu or cold.. by the time you get it .. normally it is too late not to spread the germs.. when a flu/cold is coming on the germs are all ready present.. so did the little one's have the sniffels also... how was the father able to go to work.. was he not exposed to the flu, the little boys if they were still in home which from what i have read they were.. or at least one male child.. did she care about him getting the flu.
Why didnt the children go next door back home to get clothes... who packs clothes for a WEEK not knowing when exactly the flu will go away.. how did she have a set time. What child does not run back and forth home if it is next door... didnt they want to check on sick mother... no I suspect not because i do not think she was sick with the flu.. makes no sence to me
lauriej
01-02-2012, 01:18 PM
IIRC, her temporary paralysis didn't kick in until she found out MP had confessed to murdering Aliahna.
Also it is important to note that I read 3 MSM articles and every single one of them attributed this "temporary paralysis" condition as "according to friends". We don't have any medical proof that she was actually paralyzed, temporary or otherwise. I've only seen a photo of her being wheeled away from the hospital in a wheelchair. (I guess the ER, because I haven't seen where she was ever admitted as an inpatient.)
--do you happen to remember where you saw that pic? i've only seen her in the wheelchair at the vigil, being pushed by her step-father D.Story.
Melanie
01-02-2012, 01:21 PM
It would be nice to know if anyone saw TS out shopping for Christmas while being so sick...............
not a word from her husband?
Or what they did for their 2 year anniversary? According to the step-daddy's FB their anniversary was 12/21 (I believe).
MOO
Mel
Cubby
01-02-2012, 01:59 PM
I think the fever/flu was an excuse for poor decisions. A 9 year olds could new a big help to the baby boy at home.
I agree.
Whatever the reason, a fever, the flu, a love fever for some alone time for TS and AS's anniversary, the baby sitting started upon the school holiday break. If she was sick or wanted alone time with hubby, why not send the kids to family, where they would have been in a safer environment and not under the care of an ex con surrounded by RSO's.
I'd also like to know why MP was walking Aliahna and her sisters to the bus stop? Why couldn't either parent do that?
I'm seeing the "well, they may be RSO's or ex cons, but they didn't do anything to me" mentality here. I really think both TS and AS ignored ALL the facts surrounding the very dangerous environment they chose to place these children. I hope they are never entrusted with the care of minor children again.
Sparklin
01-02-2012, 02:44 PM
I believe that Aliahna told a friend at school that she would be staying at a "friend's" house for a week. I would love to know WHEN she told her friend that . .. which might let us know if and when this extended sleepover party was PLANNED in advance.
I believe it was reported that she told the friend that on the last day of school. However, I also read that Tara had called MP the night she was reported missing to tell him he could send/bring the girls home. I think 'a week' was probably more 'the week' as in the rest of...but that is just my understanding of it.
hoppy
01-02-2012, 02:58 PM
I read that TS has (3) kids that are hers and one step daughter
billisbobby
01-02-2012, 03:03 PM
I think the girls staying at uncle mikes was planned in advance and had little to do with mom's so called paralysis. imoo
al66pine
01-02-2012, 04:08 PM
THANK YOU sherryk for your post 23:
Why didnt the children go next door back home to get clothes...who packs clothes for a WEEK not knowing when exactly the flu will go away.. how did she have a set time. What child does not run back and forth home if it is next door... didnt they want to check on sick mother... no I suspect not because i do not think she was sick with the flu.. makes no sence to me.
<snipped & BBM>
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Poss. one or more of the girls did go back & forth & we just didn't read or hear of it.
IIRC, MSM reported the last time Mom saw them was Tues. after school. Maybe someone here recalls readg or hearg differently?
Is is poss. that one or more went home, retreived something, and did not see Mom?
W. kids that age, its not just clothes; it's toys, books, games, ipods, snacks, maybe meds, you name it, regardless of who packed - the kids or Mom or S-Fa.
I find it hard to imagine that the children did not run back and forth ---
-- for above items of their perceived necessity or
--to check on something in Mom's trailer (is Mom ok; is the turtle ok; did you get any BBQ potato chips?) or
--to announce important news (see the pix I colored; sis took her turn before me).
Over the course of 2-3 days, if none of the girls went back to Mom's, why not?
And some of us believe the reverse is true: neither Mom nor S-Fa went to see Mike P's trailer in person, per MSM's lack of rpt, to that effect and per MSM rpts that Mom last saw girls Tues.
Was it because Mom, S-Fa, and/or Uncle Mike flat out prohibited it?
If so, why? Who was doing what? At which location?
Something at Mom's which cd not be seen by the girls? Or cd not be interrupted?
Or something at Mike P's, which cd not be seen by Mom & SFa, others? Or which cd not be interrupted?
ETA: Per jjenny's stmt a couple posts down, I corrected to 2-3 days (deleted 4) but cd not correct headline to delete Fri.
THANK YOU jjenny.
jjenny
01-02-2012, 04:16 PM
Grandma said two of the children slept on the floor while being babysitted by MP. Did anyone even care to pack up their toys, books, or whatever else?
al66pine
01-02-2012, 04:17 PM
sorry, double post.
jjenny
01-02-2012, 04:20 PM
sorry, double post.
The child was killed early Thursday morning according to affidavit. So that rules out either the girls stopping by the mother on Thursday, or the mother stopping by MP's trailer. Presumably she would have noticed one was missing.
I read that TS has (3) kids that are hers and one step daughter
Do you have any details on the 3rd child - age, male or female, who the father is?
I know it was reported that there were younger male children with the parents, but I can find no record of this.
thanks
hkhart
01-02-2012, 04:59 PM
I thought I read where Tarah and Allen had son which is the baby. Not sure if this is true though.
hoppy
01-02-2012, 05:05 PM
I have not been able to come up with anything (trying to figure out how to search for birth records?) more than FOR SURE she has 2 daughters - 1 step-daughter. (Because of MSM reports about them being in protective custody).
I'm trying to sleuth out info of a 3rd child.
I can't find a general discussion for Aliahna, so not sure where to post this, but I think it's possible that the parents were not home during their children's time with the murderer.
Think about it - 3 young children cooped up a trailer with a middle aged man for days - they are are going to be (at best!) bored, and then knowing their parents, toys, beds and familiar things were just a few feet away, would have gone over there of their own accord, if only for a visit. Would the parents not open the door? Also, it was mentioned that Tarah called them one morning, well why phone, when you can actually see them for youself. It's not like they were in a different town, where they would have to drive in.
Makes no sense to me. I think the parents either were not there, or possibly had "visitors" that kept them occupied during the time in question. "Flu" and "sleeping in" sounds just like an excuse.
I would like to know if these girls had their own beds at home! Nevermind BOOKS . . .
MaraSleuth
01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
I agree - it makes no sense that Tarah had zero contact with her kids. Maybe they were on a drug binge? Or like someone said, out of town for their anniversary possibly?
momshrink
01-02-2012, 05:54 PM
I think the sleepover was planned and the flu was the excuse after she went missing. I thought there were two boys, one older than the girls who was the stepfathers son and one younger than the girls who was a product of this marriage. I cannot keep it all straight.
:waitasec:
hoppy
01-02-2012, 06:55 PM
I don't have legit confirmation but I did read this:
Aliahna - tarah's daughter w/ dewayne. then S, tarah's daughter with lyle m., then t. who was her step daughter ... her husband's (Allen) daughter w/ his ex wife Kristina Kennedy and then K., Tarah's son w/ Allen.
Also - it's being said that Priscilla (as's ex) lives in the trailer park as well??
Also - was anyone ever able to R/O that the grandfather was NOT the 'other person' who molested her prior?
lonetraveler
01-02-2012, 07:21 PM
IIRC, her temporary paralysis didn't kick in until she found out MP had confessed to murdering Aliahna.
Also it is important to note that I read 3 MSM articles and every single one of them attributed this "temporary paralysis" condition as "according to friends". We don't have any medical proof that she was actually paralyzed, temporary or otherwise. I've only seen a photo of her being wheeled away from the hospital in a wheelchair. (I guess the ER, because I haven't seen where she was ever admitted as an inpatient.)
Maybe she inherited the deceased Grandfather's wheelchair? He most likely had one and there was a handicap ramp at the mobile home. Maybe she could predict exactly when she was going to "recuperate" from the flu (in one week) just like she would be able to walk again in a few days???
Just being a bit facetious. :crazy:
Wholehearted
01-02-2012, 07:37 PM
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the stepfather allowed the girls to go over there for a week. I can understand (not forgive or condone, but understand) that a woman raised by a pedophile may well have been a victim of abuse, has no boundaries, has been conditioned to think that molestation is "normal," and has a huge dose of denial about all this stuff.
But what's with the stepfather? Why did he think it was okay or normal for the 3 girls to spend the week with this man? Why would he let his stepdaughter spend unsupervised time with a man he didn't really know (not like he would a relative of his own, for example) when she had PTSD from being molested in the past? Why wouldn't he have interacted with the girls at all during the daytime, when he was home and they were so close? Say he works the 11-7 shift, gets off at 7 am, and goes home to sleep a nice 8 hours till 3 pm. There's at least 7 hours during the day and night when he didn't interact with the girls, if the story about the mom (and presumably the dad) not talking to them for 3 days is true.
I just get the feeling that there's a lot more off here than mom and stepdad sending the girls off for a week. I don't believe we've gotten the real story about what mom and stepdad were doing, or why. Do we even have verification that they were home during this time? I'm sure LE has dug into that, and can tell which ISP they were on when they were playing online. There's just so much we don't know.
billisbobby
01-02-2012, 07:37 PM
How long had uncle mike shudder been babysitting these children?
Who are the children with now?
Did CPS place the children with a family member?
Or with a family that works for foster care?
Kamille
01-02-2012, 07:53 PM
Why does MSM keep reporting that the children had been there for a week and then report that they had been there since Tuesday after school? By my calculations, the children had spent 3 days/nights with "Uncle Mike" before Aliahna was reported missing. Well at least 2 of them had spent 3 nights. :(
So why do they keep reporting a week when it contradicts their own stories? :waitasec:
Bodhi
01-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Sisters of slain 9 year old in protective custody (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111230/NEWS/111239957)
I don't think it was ever confirmed that there were boys in the house? Only a FB posting that said something about the number of people sick and it was assumed from that?
I think it highly improbable that they would not remove ALL the children?
So - no hard facts - but this - TO ME - implies the other girls were the only other children in the home??
Thanks for the link, hoppy. I've been trying to figure out how many children lived with AS/TS. I think that the Department of Child Services may have removed all the children but will only make a statement about the two who were staying with MP when he killed their sister. The fact that those two were there was an integral part of the story when AL was reported missing. So social services will only comment on them and will only state in general that are in protective custody.
I do think that there is a boy K, named in JL's obituary, that is TS's son (and possibly AS's son.)
And KAK (one of the men who'd abused AL in 2010) posted pictures on his FB that he labelled his stepchildren and his significant other P. One child was a blonde girl of about 3, probably the now 6-year-old stepsister that was at MP's. The other is an older boy. IIRC, the boy was named T. I am going to go back and check that because LM has a boy named T, I believe.
gitana1
01-02-2012, 08:52 PM
http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/home/Missing-Juvenile-136180558.html
Kathleen Mckee lives just down the road from where Aliahna was last seen.
Mckee's daughter, Amelia, says Aliahna told her about her winter break plans. "She told me she was going to a friend's house the last day of school before Christmas break."
Mckee's daughter, Amelia, rides the school bus with Aliahna. Amelia says she's worried about what happened to her friend. "She's my friend, and I just... we're friends."
I don't think this is a definite indication that she knew of a plan for her to stay with "Uncle Mike" for a week. Kids do not refer to adults in their lives as their "friends" generally. It would make more sense if she said she was going to stay with "Uncle Mike" for a few days or overnight or her mom's friend. I think she could have meant going to someone else's house, to visit: "Yeah, I'm going to Shelly's on Friday."
I know it's been said that Tarah sent the girls to Plumadore's and kept the boys. But did she have any boys? I saw a posting of hers, when Aliahana was listed as 8 and the other two girls as age 4, saying she was a mother of 3 (with the third being the step daughter).
Did she have any children since then?
It looks like she had Aliahna, S., a child with Lyle, and K., a child with either Allen or a man named "Dave". I have found evidence of no other boy. Here's a link to info about her siblings: http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120102/NEWS/120109909
I agree.
Whatever the reason, a fever, the flu, a love fever for some alone time for TS and AS's anniversary, the baby sitting started upon the school holiday break. If she was sick or wanted alone time with hubby, why not send the kids to family, where they would have been in a safer environment and not under the care of an ex con surrounded by RSO's.
I'd also like to know why MP was walking Aliahna and her sisters to the bus stop? Why couldn't either parent do that?
I'm seeing the "well, they may be RSO's or ex cons, but they didn't do anything to me" mentality here. I really think both TS and AS ignored ALL the facts surrounding the very dangerous environment they chose to place these children. I hope they are never entrusted with the care of minor children again.
BBM. Great catch. I never questioned that. Seems like this guy was insinuating himself in the lives of a more than willing family.
Do you have any details on the 3rd child - age, male or female, who the father is?
I know it was reported that there were younger male children with the parents, but I can find no record of this.
thanks
His name is K***. I thought he was a baby and the child of Tarah and Allen, but on other threads, they are stating he is 2 and the child of a man named "Dave".
I thought I read where Tarah and Allen had son which is the baby. Not sure if this is true though.
That's initially what I though but on another thread they are saying he is the son of a man named Dave, so I have been running with that.
I don't have legit confirmation but I did read this:
Aliahna - tarah's daughter w/ dewayne. then S*******, tarah's daughter with lyle moser. then t****** who was her step daughter ... her husband's (Allen) daughter w/ his ex wife Kristina Kennedy and then K***, Tarah's son w/ Allen.
Also - it's being said that Priscilla (as's ex) lives in the trailer park as well??
Also - was anyone ever able to R/O that the grandfather was NOT the 'other person' who molested her prior?
Answer to last question, no. I wondered that myself. Also, you forgot to edit out the minor's names in your post. I did it in the post I quoted.
MaraSleuth
01-02-2012, 09:17 PM
I wonder if the kids were supposed to be with friends like Alihana said but that fell through and MP was the back up plan. Perhaps TS and AS had plans for that week and the flu was the cover-up for after the fact?
grandmaj
01-02-2012, 09:21 PM
Guys just a gentle reminder. First name last initial only. Minor's names are always initials.
If you have time please fix any posts using full names. Thanks.
jjenny
01-02-2012, 09:41 PM
I presume they were always supposed to be with MP. Ali said with a friend (as is family friend-MP).
al66pine
01-03-2012, 12:34 AM
Some questioned whether Ali's reference to staying w a 'friend' referred to Mike P.
IIRC Mike P listed Ali on his FBk & other sites as 'friend.'
She cd/hv/bn aware of that, cd/hv/like idea of being friend w. him.
I can see how kids would view Mike as a 'friend' and might refer to him as such (even tho the thought sickens us).
Or as others said, she c/hv/bn referring to a school buddy, for a sleepover that fizzled out, then the stay w. mike P developed.
katydid23
01-03-2012, 01:01 AM
I don't care how bad the mom's flu was, the kids could have still slept at home in their own beds. Stepdad could have gotten them before he went on his night shift and taken them home to rest and watch videos until they fell asleep. No reason for them to be sleeping in some other trailer, imo.
claudicici
01-03-2012, 01:33 AM
Exactly none of their excuses make sense and they are flat out lies.IMO.
I've been working third shift for 15years for the very reason that I can be home with my child during the day and I wouldn't miss work if she is sick.It doesn't make any sense.I have never heard of a mom needing a baby sitter because she is down with the flu.If she was really that sick maybe she could use help during the day which stepdad could have easily provided ,at night the kids are sleeping anyways so there is no reason whatsoever to have them spend the night anywhere but home.
claudicici
01-03-2012, 01:45 AM
Grandma said two of the children slept on the floor while being babysitted by MP. Did anyone even care to pack up their toys, books, or whatever else?
oh they didn't need toys,per grandma Uncle Mike was playing games with them on the floor:banghead::furious:
Chris_Texas
01-03-2012, 02:10 AM
I see no reason to doubt that the friend Ali was referring to was her good buddy Mike. I imagine that he was great with kids (when he wasn't killing them).
I find it interesting that the media is staying very quiet in their investigations of this story other than their comments about Mike.
LolaMoon08
01-03-2012, 02:59 AM
I doubt that any of the people involved in Ali's life plan to come forward with any information publicly or to LE. It sounds like she was surrounded by nothing but shady people her entire life. People that don't want people looking into their lives... especially LE.
I also think that DCF is going to add another failed child to their list. There is no way that DCF was not involved with this family after Ali had been sexually abused twice. No way!
carole
01-03-2012, 03:18 AM
I doubt that any of the people involved in Ali's life plan to come forward with any information publicly or to LE. It sounds like she was surrounded by nothing but shady people her entire life. People that don't want people looking into their lives... especially LE.
I also think that DCF is going to add another failed child to their list. There is no way that DCF was not involved with this family after Ali had been sexually abused twice. No way!
BBM
Absolutely they were involved. But then her mother took her out of state and didn't tell DCF, I'm sure. How were they to keep tabs on Ali when they had no idea where she was???
claudicici
01-03-2012, 05:22 AM
At the beginning I really suspected we would find a porn ring of some sort but I don't believe it anymore.The players are much too basic IMO ,I don't think they were producing ,trading or anything of that nature any longer.IMO the sad,sad reality is that most of the players here are extremely damaged from the very start.I think it's just that vicious circle again,the same environment we saw in the Haileigh Cummings case.
I now really beleive TS was incapable of taking care of her children after her father's death,IMO he was molesting her since she was a child but she was devestated by his death,paralyzed.
It seems that in that environment molestation is almost too common,as if the boys don't know common sense boundaries.It seems like an almost feral lifestyle.
If you like it ,you touch it and if you 're mad you use violence.
I'm really concerned that it now seems TS son K had frequent head wounds and a broken nose.I think all that becomes aparent in this case to us is an unimaginable drama,so sick ,so twisted,so disgusting but to the players it seems sad but not as bad because IMO they all lived it and they don't know any other way of life.That's why they're all connected and seem to protect each other IMO
Etilema
01-03-2012, 06:13 AM
Some questioned whether Ali's reference to staying w a 'friend' referred to Mike P.
IIRC Mike P listed Ali on his FBk & other sites as 'friend.'
She cd/hv/bn aware of that, cd/hv/like idea of being friend w. him.
I can see how kids would view Mike as a 'friend' and might refer to him as such (even tho the thought sickens us).
Or as others said, she c/hv/bn referring to a school buddy, for a sleepover that fizzled out, then the stay w. mike P developed.
I think it was MP she was referring to and that you are right about her having liked being his friend (remember the drawing she made for him).
If it had been a school friend (1) she would have said so to the friend she told ("I'm going to Cindy's," or whatever), and (2) it would probably already have been mentioned, when they were giving their explanation of the timeline and events. MOO
My BIG question before I run off to work: I would love to know if the girls had stayed with Uncle Mike overnight before all this.
lillygator
01-03-2012, 09:13 AM
My BIG question before I run off to work: I would love to know if the girls had stayed with Uncle Mike overnight before all this.
yes and how comfortable they were going over there....
claudicici
01-03-2012, 09:16 AM
I think it was MP she was referring to and that you are right about her having liked being his friend (remember the drawing she made for him).
I havn't heard about that. So sad.
not_my_kids
01-03-2012, 10:45 AM
I think someone was able to find the anniversary for stepdad and TS. If I'm not mistaken that anniversary was during the time that the girls were with MP. I;m starting to think mother was not sick at all, had no fever or flu, but rather she and stepfather had a rather severe case of fornication induced exhaustion. MOO.
Ladylub
01-03-2012, 10:52 AM
I think someone was able to find the anniversary for stepdad and TS. If I'm not mistaken that anniversary was during the time that the girls were with MP. I;m starting to think mother was not sick at all, had no fever or flu, but rather she and stepfather had a rather severe case of fornication induced exhaustion. MOO.
From AS fb page Dec 21th
Dr. Know?
01-03-2012, 11:13 AM
I read on another website a couple days ago that Mom wasn't even home while the girls stayed with MP. Out of town. Rumor I know, but it's a possibility?
jjenny
01-03-2012, 12:30 PM
She must have been home when she called 911 on Friday evening. Other than that, I don't know.
sherryk
01-03-2012, 01:43 PM
I see no reason to doubt that the friend Ali was referring to was her good buddy Mike. I imagine that he was great with kids (when he wasn't killing them).
I find it interesting that the media is staying very quiet in their investigations of this story other than their comments about Mike.
I find it very odd and concerning that the media isnt all over this story. All children that are missing and/or found deceased should be covered, however this is so gruesome and so much more to the story it seems.. why is there no coverage. I thought at least Nancy Grace would be all over this with a family tree mapped out.. but no she covered somthing that could of been summed up in 10 minutes. I do not think she is covering this tonight either.
I do not understand why. This a horrific case and more media needs to be on this not just to report but to get across to people .. you do NOT let girls or boys for that matter befriend a male or family "friend" and have sleepovers. I think at the very LEAST that aspect should be covered.. I am baffled on that.
Elley Mae
01-03-2012, 02:40 PM
I find it very odd and concerning that the media isnt all over this story. All children that are missing and/or found deceased should be covered, however this is so gruesome and so much more to the story it seems.. why is there no coverage. I thought at least Nancy Grace would be all over this with a family tree mapped out.. but no she covered somthing that could of been summed up in 10 minutes. I do not think she is covering this tonight either.
I do not understand why. This a horrific case and more media needs to be on this not just to report but to get across to people .. you do NOT let girls or boys for that matter befriend a male or family "friend" and have sleepovers. I think at the very LEAST that aspect should be covered.. I am baffled on that.
I thought the same, why not cover this? I wonder if it is just too much (dismemberment).
I think that for some if they don't know about it,it didn't happen.
I think for others it's an act that is unspeakable and can't comprehend one human being doing that to another human being.
jmo but I look at the individuals at play in this tragic event and can't see anything good coming from these people,anything. No child born to these people stands a chance in life at being truly happy jmo
billisbobby
01-03-2012, 02:42 PM
How likely is it that LE asked the media to keep tight lipped while they conduct their investigation?
IDK but things are very quiet. imoo
jjenny
01-03-2012, 02:50 PM
LE doesn't have the ability to keep media being quiet, because we have freedom of the press.
hkhart
01-03-2012, 04:13 PM
Could it be delayed because of the recent holidays and staff was minimal?
marie-chantal
01-03-2012, 04:33 PM
I thought the same, why not cover this? I wonder if it is just too much (dismemberment).
I think that for some if they don't know about it,it didn't happen.
I think for others it's an act that is unspeakable and can't comprehend one human being doing that to another human being.
jmo but I look at the individuals at play in this tragic event and can't see anything good coming from these people,anything. No child born to these people stands a chance in life at being truly happy jmo
This is just my opinion, and I have no facts to back this up, but I think that (sadly) the social class of the people involved, the fact that this child is no longer missing, and the circumstances of the case have a lot to do with the reason this isn't being covered.
If this had been a middle-class child in a middle-class suburban neighborhood, it would be all over the media IMO (and MOO).
In regards to reasons why the mother was not available during that week, I wonder if drugs have something to do with it. I wonder if she and her husband were on some sort of drug binge?
hoppy
01-03-2012, 04:55 PM
I find it very odd and concerning that the media isnt all over this story. All children that are missing and/or found deceased should be covered, however this is so gruesome and so much more to the story it seems.. why is there no coverage. I thought at least Nancy Grace would be all over this with a family tree mapped out.. but no she covered somthing that could of been summed up in 10 minutes. I do not think she is covering this tonight either.
I do not understand why. This a horrific case and more media needs to be on this not just to report but to get across to people .. you do NOT let girls or boys for that matter befriend a male or family "friend" and have sleepovers. I think at the very LEAST that aspect should be covered.. I am baffled on that.
I totally agree. I've brought this up in conversation with folks over the last few days and they've had NO IDEA that this even happened - and have even commented "Has it been on the news??"
Just today - I spoke with a friend who's a child psychologist and asked "So what are your thoughts on the case about the little girl who was murdered over Christmas." No idea what I was talking about (although they did ask if I meant the baby up in Maine had been found? That would be Ayla....) -- then I said - "The one that was dismembered in a trailer less than 100 feet from where she lived with her mother and stepfather....." --- and NO IDEA what I was talking about.
I can't figure out WHY this isn't being covered?
not_my_kids
01-03-2012, 05:42 PM
It's been on the news quite a bit from what I could tell from MI. There are tons of media articles, news broadcasts, blog postings. I post anything regarding Aliahna or Plumadore on FB and most people know what I am talking about. JVM covered it, NG covered it, my local news in Mid- Michigan covered it.
It's gotten decent coverage. Not Caylee coverage, but still pretty good compared to, say, Jhessye Shockley.
momshrink
01-03-2012, 06:27 PM
My BIG question before I run off to work: I would love to know if the girls had stayed with Uncle Mike overnight before all this.
I do not think this was the first, second or third time. I think it was a regular thing. Maybe not weekly, but numerous times over a long term period.
MOO
KinderedSpirits
01-03-2012, 06:30 PM
I see no reason to doubt that the friend Ali was referring to was her good buddy Mike. I imagine that he was great with kids (when he wasn't killing them).
I find it interesting that the media is staying very quiet in their investigations of this story other than their comments about Mike.
As usual, you ask the questions that are on my mind! I also want to say thank you for that fabulous post on the previous thread. It was closed, so I couldn't reply to it! :yourock:
katydid23
01-03-2012, 06:52 PM
I do not think this was the first, second or third time. I think it was a regular thing. Maybe not weekly, but numerous times over a long term period.
MOO
I agree. I think the kids spent a lot of time there when Grandpa was living there. And I bet mom liked the freedom she had when she had a place to send them. So why stop sending them over there for sleepovers, just because grandpa is dead? Uncle Mike is there. :mad:
neicee7681
01-04-2012, 10:11 AM
Do you have any details on the 3rd child - age, male or female, who the father is?
I know it was reported that there were younger male children with the parents, but I can find no record of this.
thanks
Not sure if I can post the link, but on Tarah S's public record in Iowa (under the name Tarah M), there is a child support/paternity record. It is listed as David S vs. Tarah M. The date on it is January of 2009 and would fit the time frame for a two to three year old child. IIRC Tarah S and Allen S did not get married until Dec 2009 and Allen S was still married to Priscilla S. until October of 2009. The last entry on the record is an order for immediate income withholding. That leads me to believe that David S is the father of the youngest child.
yllek
01-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Not sure if I can post the link, but on Tarah S's public record in Iowa (under the name Tarah M), there is a child support/paternity record. It is listed as David S vs. Tarah M. The date on it is January of 2009 and would fit the time frame for a two to three year old child. IIRC Tarah S and Allen S did not get married until Dec 2009 and Allen S was still married to Priscilla S. until October of 2009. The last entry on the record is an order for immediate income withholding. That leads me to believe that David S is the father of the youngest child.
BBM
Interesting.
So, that would mean that he was pursuing child support from her, right? Did he have custody? Or, maybe he was disputing her attempt to collect from him and she had custody. I'll see if I can find the record.
ETA. Found the record; the fee Iowa records that I could find are not as detailed as the free records for some other states. Don't show the nature of the case or the disposition. I do see that there was a case filed against David S. by the state of Iowa; petitioner = Tarah Moser, in June 2007. Paternity? IDK.
neicee7681
01-04-2012, 11:38 AM
BBM
Interesting.
So, that would mean that he was pursuing child support from her, right? Did he have custody? Or, maybe he was disputing her attempt to collect from him and she had custody. I'll see if I can find the record.
ETA. Found the record; the fee Iowa records that I could find are not as detailed as the free records for some other states. Don't show the nature of the case or the disposition. I do see that there was a case filed against David S. by Tarah M. in June 2007. Paternity? IDK.
The record showed that David S was the petitioner and Tarah S was the respondant, so it would seem that he instigated this one. The other record is also paternity/child support between the two of them and it started in 2007. At the end of the 2007 record it seems that the child support was terminated....not sure if that means David S gained custody of the child. If you go into the filings section of the record, it shows a detail of any/all paperwork filed. HTH
Nonnie
01-05-2012, 06:06 AM
I believe he was molesting all three of those girls. He probably molested one girl tuesday night then another girl wednesday night then tried to molest Ali thursday and she fought him or tried to and it angered him so he killed her. jmo
My first thought on the "flu for a week" was that the mom was on pills and then ran out. Detoxing from pills takes a good 5-7 days and it's not pretty. This would also explain how she could say she needed a "week" for the "flu."
OneLove
01-05-2012, 02:43 PM
My first thought on the "flu for a week" was that the mom was on pills and then ran out. Detoxing from pills takes a good 5-7 days and it's not pretty. This would also explain how she could say she needed a "week" for the "flu."
Good possibility. Also, it could be that TS got pills or other drugs in exchange for her girls and was binging.
Another post pointed out the picture of MP with a handwritten sign saying something to the effect of if you are not the parent, don't interfere with the 'discipline'. I think it possible he was into kinky child S&M and that sign was not concealed. So if everyone in his circle saw it, you would think it common knowledge among his closest associates to not raise some serious hackles. Maybe he was given the girls to "train" them?
Could Aliahna have been subjected to sadistic abuse that ended her life?
menmo
01-05-2012, 03:43 PM
The record showed that David S was the petitioner and Tarah S was the respondant, so it would seem that he instigated this one. The other record is also paternity/child support between the two of them and it started in 2007. At the end of the 2007 record it seems that the child support was terminated....not sure if that means David S gained custody of the child. If you go into the filings section of the record, it shows a detail of any/all paperwork filed. HTH
It could mean that DS was proven to not be the dad?
Or it could mean TS got tired of fighting and thought AS would adopt him?
MOO
KinderedSpirits
01-05-2012, 06:26 PM
Good possibility. Also, it could be that TS got pills or other drugs in exchange for her girls and was binging.
Another post pointed out the picture of MP with a handwritten sign saying something to the effect of if you are not the parent, don't interfere with the 'discipline'. I think it possible he was into kinky child S&M and that sign was not concealed. So if everyone in his circle saw it, you would think it common knowledge among his closest associates to not raise some serious hackles. Maybe he was given the girls to "train" them?
Could Aliahna have been subjected to sadistic abuse that ended her life?
That is a great question! I sure as he$$ don't believe his story about bashing her in the head with a brick. I think LE know whether or not he was telling the truth, because they did recover her head in the freezer. (Writing that truly broke my heart!) :cry:
Hippy Chick
01-08-2012, 04:36 AM
This is just my opinion, and I have no facts to back this up, but I think that (sadly) the social class of the people involved, the fact that this child is no longer missing, and the circumstances of the case have a lot to do with the reason this isn't being covered.
If this had been a middle-class child in a middle-class suburban neighborhood, it would be all over the media IMO (and MOO).
In regards to reasons why the mother was not available during that week, I wonder if drugs have something to do with it. I wonder if she and her husband were on some sort of drug binge?
or gone on a drug run out of town.... IMO they weren't home probably until Friday
al66pine
01-08-2012, 03:37 PM
G’ma’s hinky stmt - girls on floor to watch TV; Mike P ‘babysitting’
IIRC, within a couple days of the ‘missing child report’ Ali’s G’ma (Tarah’s mom) said, the girls liked to spend time or to stay at Mike P.’s because (my paraphrase) they could lay on the floor and watch TV.
My point is G’ma made it sound like that really enticed the girls, not as much as DisneyWorld,
but something fun they could not do or were not allowed to do at home.
Lying on the floor & watching TV is not unusual for kids tdy, imo.
Many of us see G’ma as being defensive of Mike P., but this is esp. strange, imo.
Q 1. Did Ali & sis’s have TV at home?
Q 2. Cable/sat. at Ali’s home? If not & if Mike P did, then TV wd/be more fun w. him.
Q3. If there was only one TV at Ali’s home which Mom & S-fa monopolized, then TV w. Mike wd/be more fun.
Q4. Did girls get to see special videos on Mike’s TV?
Q5. Did girls get to see double secret, private videos on Mike’s TV, i.e., videos in which one or more of the girls appeared in inappropriate ways? Creeped myself out w. this idea.
And late Dec., Ft. Wayne IN, in old singlewide trailer home, prob’ly lacking effective insulation, girls would be sitting on cold, cold floor, maybe drafty. Not fun or comfy, imo.
Q6. Do you see the allure - to the girls - of sitting on trailer floor to watch TV at Mike’s?
If I am mis-remembering or mis-interpreting, pls let me know.
Thx in adv.
jjenny
01-08-2012, 04:25 PM
That is a great question! I sure as he$$ don't believe his story about bashing her in the head with a brick. I think LE know whether or not he was telling the truth, because they did recover her head in the freezer. (Writing that truly broke my heart!) :cry:
When that one policeman was on NG, he said what MP told them is mostly factual. So his story about bashing her on the head with the brick could in fact be factual. They have the head so it should be very easy to prove or disprove that he bashed her on the head with a brick.
Dr. Know?
01-08-2012, 10:01 PM
It's Tuesday the grand jury convenes, right? 2nd Tuesday of the month. I wonder if they are ready this week to go before the gj? If not then Feb. maybe.
claudicici
01-08-2012, 10:09 PM
G’ma’s hinky stmt - girls on floor to watch TV; Mike P ‘babysitting’
IIRC, within a couple days of the ‘missing child report’ Ali’s G’ma (Tarah’s mom) said, the girls liked to spend time or to stay at Mike P.’s because (my paraphrase) they could lay on the floor and watch TV.
My point is G’ma made it sound like that really enticed the girls, not as much as DisneyWorld,
but something fun they could not do or were not allowed to do at home.
Lying on the floor & watching TV is not unusual for kids tdy, imo.
Many of us see G’ma as being defensive of Mike P., but this is esp. strange, imo.
Q 1. Did Ali & sis’s have TV at home?
Q 2. Cable/sat. at Ali’s home? If not & if Mike P did, then TV wd/be more fun w. him.
Q3. If there was only one TV at Ali’s home which Mom & S-fa monopolized, then TV w. Mike wd/be more fun.
Q4. Did girls get to see special videos on Mike’s TV?
Q5. Did girls get to see double secret, private videos on Mike’s TV, i.e., videos in which one or more of the girls appeared in inappropriate ways? Creeped myself out w. this idea.
And late Dec., Ft. Wayne IN, in old singlewide trailer home, prob’ly lacking effective insulation, girls would be sitting on cold, cold floor, maybe drafty. Not fun or comfy, imo.
Q6. Do you see the allure - to the girls - of sitting on trailer floor to watch TV at Mike’s?
If I am mis-remembering or mis-interpreting, pls let me know.
Thx in adv.
I think the difference between watching TV at home and at Mike's was that he would also "play games" with them on that floor.:banghead::furious:
Kamille
01-08-2012, 10:32 PM
It could mean that DS was proven to not be the dad?
Or it could mean TS got tired of fighting and thought AS would adopt him?
MOO
You could be right menmo...perhaps there was a paternity test and DS was proven not to be the father.
MOO
Chris_Texas
01-09-2012, 01:48 AM
G’ma’s hinky stmt - girls on floor to watch TV; Mike P ‘babysitting’
IIRC, within a couple days of the ‘missing child report’ Ali’s G’ma (Tarah’s mom) said, the girls liked to spend time or to stay at Mike P.’s because (my paraphrase) they could lay on the floor and watch TV.
My point is G’ma made it sound like that really enticed the girls, not as much as DisneyWorld,
but something fun they could not do or were not allowed to do at home.
Lying on the floor & watching TV is not unusual for kids tdy, imo.
Many of us see G’ma as being defensive of Mike P., but this is esp. strange, imo.
Q 1. Did Ali & sis’s have TV at home?
Q 2. Cable/sat. at Ali’s home? If not & if Mike P did, then TV wd/be more fun w. him.
Q3. If there was only one TV at Ali’s home which Mom & S-fa monopolized, then TV w. Mike wd/be more fun.
Q4. Did girls get to see special videos on Mike’s TV?
Q5. Did girls get to see double secret, private videos on Mike’s TV, i.e., videos in which one or more of the girls appeared in inappropriate ways? Creeped myself out w. this idea.
And late Dec., Ft. Wayne IN, in old singlewide trailer home, prob’ly lacking effective insulation, girls would be sitting on cold, cold floor, maybe drafty. Not fun or comfy, imo.
Q6. Do you see the allure - to the girls - of sitting on trailer floor to watch TV at Mike’s?
If I am mis-remembering or mis-interpreting, pls let me know.
Thx in adv.
Excellent catch! I do remember her saying something odd like that. I am not sure how laying on the floor is something most kids consider all that exciting, and I would be astonished if the girls didn't have TV at home. That said, this comment about watching TV on the floor strikes me as being likely factual -- if she were only inventing an excuse for the girls being there, his floor and TV would probably not be the first things to come to mind.
As for the suggestion of special videos... maybe. I have no trouble believing that these girls might have starred in some special videos, but if they were graphic and sexual in nature I doubt they would be all that happy to watch them. If they were softcore (the girl rolling around in their undies or something) then they might theoretically enjoy watching them or even making them -- assuming that all they were doing is playing and it was presented to them as a game. But again, this too seems like a stretch -- watching home movies of themselves playing couldn't be all that interesting to a young girl or boy.
So why did Grandma say this?
Grandma, at this point in the case, believed that Aliahna has simply run (or wandered) off. As is the case with the other family members, she was defending Mike and the decision to allow the girls to stay there, while badmouthing the victim. So again, why did grandma say this?
One reason that comes immediately to mind is that this is what Aliahna told her. That doesn't make it true though. I think it likely that the kids had “adult” privileges at Mike’s house they didn’t enjoy at home -- assuming he was grooming them of course. Of course he would allow them to watch whatever they wanted on TV, and if it was Disney for the little ones so what, he’s their big buddy.
As for Aliahna, well, he would allow her to watch anything she wanted of course. She would also, likely, have been allowed to play on his computer.
Mike, if he was grooming her, would have treated her with respect. Where the other adults in her life talked down to her, he listened; where they treated her like an imbecile and infant (as adults so often do) he would have treated her like a fellow adult, flattering her about her maturity and intelligence and appearance. And he would be more than willing to be a mentor. He certainly would have known quickly that she was a prior victim of sexual abuse, and he would have been an understanding shoulder for her, happily explaining in his own twisted way why it had happened.
I think (totally my opinion here) that a child like this, age nine, who has already been abused a couple times before, and exposed to sexual behavior at a young age like this, would be EASY prey for someone who was patient and clever.
In this case, I suspect that sexual abuse of some kind did take place. I believe it started back when grand-pedo was still alive, and it probably involved other RSOs in the trailer court. I think Mike inherited the scheme and the girls from the old man. In his own sick way, he might even have been something of a moderating (and protecting) influence there, and if so the girls probably loved him for it. I think the catalyst here was probably the two youngest girls, but in any case something escalated this. And unlike grand-pedo, Mike was not about to go to prison.
Barring new information, I believe Aliahna was dismembered, not because Mike is a psycho who enjoys killing and dismembering girls, but to make hiding her body easier (note, the police missed the body parts in the dumpster) and to hopefully destroy any evidence of chronic abuse should the body be discovered.
claudicici
01-09-2012, 05:16 AM
Again I don't want to come to sinister conclusions as to why grandma was defending MP but I am somehow more suspicious of her intentions than I am of TS.The rumors about the day care she ran with her child molesting late husband,the name change,the strange pictures of grandma with the children in a bathing suit on MP's facebook.I hope I am wrong and really it seems unimaginable but while I think TS is also a victim in all of this IMO and I hate to say it I think grandma may have been part of the grooming process,maybe unintentionally.
lillygator
01-09-2012, 09:17 AM
I can't wrap my head around the grandma saying that they like to lay on the floor...I mean, who says that? I have kids, they like to watch tv -- not on the floor.
Chris_Texas
01-09-2012, 11:45 AM
I can't wrap my head around the grandma saying that they like to lay on the floor...I mean, who says that? I have kids, they like to watch tv -- not on the floor.
Respectully:
Admittedly my brain is somewhat fogged from a lack of sleep and far too little coffee (so far, I am working to correct this as I type), but it seems to me that it is far easier to assign a benign interpretation to the "floor-TV" claim than a malevolent one.
Unless we are meant to assume that Granny was using secret or subconscious code language it is hard to imagine that her words mean anything other than what she said. That is: the kids like staying with Mike, and one of the reasons is that they can lay around and watch TV.
There are literally dozens of reasonable and innocent interpretations of this comment, and really no interpretations I can come up with that easily suggest guilt.
For example, which sounds more plausible:
* Mike had a nicer TV
* Mike let them watch whatever they wanted
* Mike had Disney channel on cable
* The girl's house was crowded and the TV room really didn't allow them room to also play
* Dad worked nights so they couldn't watch TV there during the day
* Mom watched her soaps so the kids couldn't watch what they wanted
Versus...
* The kids love watching hardcore farm and midget porn on his big screen TV.
* The girls loved dressing up like French hookers and rolling around on the floor striking sexy poses while waching Hannah Montana.
See where I am going?
My guess is that the girls told grandma a laundry list of fun things they did at Mikes; everything from watching TV to playing games. When Grandma was being interviewed she was distracted (for obvious reasons) and said the first thing that came to mind. Even if she knew of, profitted from, or was actively involved in the sexual exploitation of these girls -- assuming such abuse actually took place -- she wouldn't talk about it on TV.
At the time granny was interviewed everyone except Mike believed that Aliahna had run off. Even IF Aliahna's family were aware of abuse (assuming there was any) we KNOW that they were not involved in covering up a murder. We know this because the police were notified before Mike had finished disposing of the body.
As I have said in other posts, with the information available today I believe it is possible or even likely that Aliahna (and perhaps the other girls) were the victims of some kind of ongoing sexual exploitation or physical abuse, and that it had begun at some point back when Grand-Pedo was still alive. I think it is even possible that other members of the family suspected it and didn't care enough to get involved. Under this scenario they had a twisted little enterprise going, perhaps making a few extra bucks off the RSO pedos in the park and possibly even selling or trading pictures online.
The family honestly believed that Aliahna had run off and were actively building up Mike as this great guy while sabotaging Aliahna's reputation to undermine anything she might say when found. They never expected or wanted anyone to get hurt, and were likely horrified when they learned the truth.
hkhart
01-09-2012, 12:16 PM
Grandpa had lived in the park longer than Tarah and in pictures it clearly shows there was a dish satellite. If in fact the girls had a relationship with grandpa, his house (which then became Mike's) was more than likely familar to them. Cable tv may not have been available at their house due to expenses, or such.
menmo
01-09-2012, 02:34 PM
You could be right menmo...perhaps there was a paternity test and DS was proven not to be the father.
MOO
Thanks. I also remember that in TS and LM relationship AWB reported on that site that the child support was waived due to the SS check she would get on her. Has anyone heard if it was TS or LM that was receiving aid through the social security office? If it is TS then she would get a check on the son, too, correct?
I really want to know who's on disability TS or LM and why.
MOO
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