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beach
01-04-2012, 12:26 AM
I am very interested in how he fits into this picture.

From the Case Player's sticky, per mrsu:

Greg Herbert Shumaker - RSO that met James Lemmon in prison and claims that he introduced Plumadore to Lemmon. Also has ties to Florida.

How did he know MP? And what prompted him to introduce him to Aliahana grandfather?

hkhart
01-04-2012, 01:33 AM
I am very interested in how he fits into this picture.

From the Case Player's sticky, per mrsu:

Greg Herbert Shumaker - RSO that met James Lemmon in prison and claims that he introduced Plumadore to Lemmon. Also has ties to Florida.

How did he know MP? And what prompted him to introduce him to Aliahana grandfather?


Per the timeline :rocker: Shumaker and Lemmon were incarcerated in overlapping 1 year time frame.

In Apr 2007 MP is arrested and then sent to prison in 2008 while Shumaker is still there. MP gets out 2009, GS in 2010. Maybe he referred him to Lemmon? Still don't know when they MP/JL met, but MP was in FWayne 2007.

beach
01-04-2012, 01:48 AM
Thanks! I'm confused. Again, that is. :innocent:

Per your post, 4/07 MP is arrested and doesn't get out of prison until '09; but he was in Ft. Wayne in 2007? So he was incarcerated in Ft. Wayne? Is that what you are saying?


mrsu found somewhere that he also has ties to FL. I know MP once owned or rented a home in Jupiter, FL too. May be totally different parts of FL and not be connected... just trying to lay all the facts out and wondering if maybe there is a connection there?

hkhart
01-04-2012, 02:09 AM
He for sure is arrested Apr 07 in FW. Sentenced later to prison. The other 2007 date is per convo of RSO that MP had lived with JL off/on 4 yrs which I put as 2007. Also dates on the timeline may be wonky due toreformatting that I didn't catch right away. Im on tablet forgive typos.

Ladylub
01-04-2012, 11:32 AM
Im questioning what he and Mike Tulley know.

Greg's offender type is Offender Against Children for child molesting

Mike Tulley's offender type is Sexually Violent Predator for child molesting and sexual battery.

Shumaker is the one that said TS questioned James Lemmon about MP and himself. James Lemmon said they were okay.
Why would TS only question her father about those 2 when there was 15 total sex offenders living there?
Why would those 2 be the ones TS singled out?
If MP had been with her father for so long why would TS need to have her father verify he was a good guy? I'm sure through the grapevine of that twisted family tree Im sure she would have heard about MP and his text messages to the little girl.
To me it almost seems like he is trying to say he was a good person kind of like what MP did with his I would never hurt children or animals comment.

Both Greg S and Mike T said that he had an extra load of clothes and that was the only thing that seemed off.
Even if the girls were there from Tuesday night that would be what 3 days of clothes and with them being so tiny doesn't seem like their clothes would take up that much room. With a family of 4 here I do 3 loads a week : bedding, kids and my clothes and then my husband's (only b/c he works with cars & I prefer not to smell not gas and rubber or I would only need to do 2 loads)
I question him cleaning any sheets and other bedding that they would be using for the simple fact of why wash them if the girls would only use them for a day or 2 longer. Of course this is only if he went before it came out Aliahna was missing. If after why wash clothes at a time like that?

ClaireNC
01-04-2012, 12:25 PM
I do think Greg S is important, just not sure how or why.

Very likely that he met Plumadore in prison and later introduced him to Lemmon.

Here are the incarceration dates, per the timeline.
MP incarcerated Indiana
Apr 21, 2008 to Feb 28, 2009

Greg Schumaker (RSO) incarcerated Indiana
Nov 21, 2006 to Nov 6, 2010

Donjeta
01-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Im questioning what he and Mike Tulley know.

Greg's offender type is Offender Against Children for child molesting

Mike Tulley's offender type is Sexually Violent Predator for child molesting and sexual battery.

Shumaker is the one that said TS questioned James Lemmon about MP and himself. James Lemmon said they were okay.
Why would TS only question her father about those 2 when there was 15 total sex offenders living there?
Why would those 2 be the ones TS singled out?
If MP had been with her father for so long why would TS need to have her father verify he was a good guy? I'm sure through the grapevine of that twisted family tree Im sure she would have heard about MP and his text messages to the little girl.
To me it almost seems like he is trying to say he was a good person kind of like what MP did with his I would never hurt children or animals comment.
Both Greg S and Mike T said that he had an extra load of clothes and that was the only thing that seemed off.
Even if the girls were there from Tuesday night that would be what 3 days of clothes and with them being so tiny doesn't seem like their clothes would take up that much room. With a family of 4 here I do 3 loads a week : bedding, kids and my clothes and then my husband's (only b/c he works with cars & I prefer not to smell not gas and rubber or I would only need to do 2 loads)
I question him cleaning any sheets and other bedding that they would be using for the simple fact of why wash them if the girls would only use them for a day or 2 longer. Of course this is only if he went before it came out Aliahna was missing. If after why wash clothes at a time like that?

BBM. That's what I thought too but if it was his original intention it doesn't come across that well considering... If grandpa Lemmon really said something like that about MP and GS, he was totally, utterly, devastatingly wrong (or lying) about Plumadore and therefore his positive assessment of GS's character wouldn't be worth a snap of the fingers either.

It bothers me that he chose to link his name to Plumadore's in such a context and I would like to know what he knows. Supposedly MP told him and Tulley that he wants her back on Friday when washing the clothes which is strange because apparently she wasn't reported missing yet. So what else did he say? Do they have some other knowledge?

I can't help wondering why some of the RSO neighbors came out in the press to tell of their friendly association to MP. I'd be afraid I'd be inviting a lynch mob in my home. Wonder if some chose to tell a story about their association to MP and JL to cover up some other kind of association (illegal).

Sparklin
01-04-2012, 02:02 PM
Im questioning what he and Mike Tulley know.

Greg's offender type is Offender Against Children for child molesting

Mike Tulley's offender type is Sexually Violent Predator for child molesting and sexual battery.

Shumaker is the one that said TS questioned James Lemmon about MP and himself. James Lemmon said they were okay.
Why would TS only question her father about those 2 when there was 15 total sex offenders living there?
Why would those 2 be the ones TS singled out?
If MP had been with her father for so long why would TS need to have her father verify he was a good guy? I'm sure through the grapevine of that twisted family tree Im sure she would have heard about MP and his text messages to the little girl.
To me it almost seems like he is trying to say he was a good person kind of like what MP did with his I would never hurt children or animals comment.

Both Greg S and Mike T said that he had an extra load of clothes and that was the only thing that seemed off.
Even if the girls were there from Tuesday night that would be what 3 days of clothes and with them being so tiny doesn't seem like their clothes would take up that much room. With a family of 4 here I do 3 loads a week : bedding, kids and my clothes and then my husband's (only b/c he works with cars & I prefer not to smell not gas and rubber or I would only need to do 2 loads)
I question him cleaning any sheets and other bedding that they would be using for the simple fact of why wash them if the girls would only use them for a day or 2 longer. Of course this is only if he went before it came out Aliahna was missing. If after why wash clothes at a time like that?

I would say that Tarah probably asked after all of the neighbours, but if MP was living with him and he knew Shumaker from jail, those would possibly be names she knew to inquire about.

billisbobby
01-04-2012, 05:40 PM
Birds of feather maybe..............

I mean what are the odds 15 RSO's live in the same trailer park?
I think they are all connected by their perversion. imoo

Noway
01-04-2012, 10:31 PM
Maybe she only asked about those two because they would be the ones having contact with her children?

She must have known something about MP that isn't in the records we've seen so far if she asked about him. He had no sex offenses that anyone has found yet. But her dad responded that they were doing what they were supposed to, which implies MP did have some requirements.


She worried about neighbors with sex offense records who had been helping her father get by, according to trailer park residents. And before she arrived, she even asked her father if her children could be at risk for abuse from two specific men - including a suspect now accused in her daughter's death. "He said, 'No. They will not touch your children. They're doing everything they're supposed to do,'" said Greg Shumaker, one of 15 convicted sex offenders who live at the park and the other man that Souders had inquired about.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-27/news/30563171_1_trailer-park-offender-allen-county

Noway
01-04-2012, 10:45 PM
From above

... she worried about neighbors with sex offense records who had been helping her father get by ...

He has a record. IMO

Chris_Texas
01-04-2012, 11:19 PM
Statistically, the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are not interested in murdering kids. Most are not even interested in PHYSICALLY injuring them. Which makes Mike, assuming he actually is a pedophile and sex was part of this crime, a very unusual maniac.

This is important to keep in mind when we consider the potential involvement of other RSO residents with this crime. It would be a mistake to casually assume that ANY of them were involved with murdering a child, or would find this anything less than horrifying -- which is not the same as saying that none of them could be involved in the murder, as the evidence might indicate that one or more of them were, but only that it is statistically unlikely.

While a group conpiracy by these RSOs to commit or cover up a murder is unlikely, it seems entirely possible some of the residents of this park were involved in sexually abusing these girls, possibly with grandpa's and/or MPs approval. It is possible that they were willing to pay for it, and MP certainly needed the money. Something like this scenario also provides a plausible motive for MPs actions -- Aliahna might have refused to be used in this way, or she perhaps objected to the involvement of her little sisters.

Kamille
01-04-2012, 11:27 PM
I do think Greg S is important, just not sure how or why.

Very likely that he met Plumadore in prison and later introduced him to Lemmon.

Here are the incarceration dates, per the timeline.
MP incarcerated Indiana
Apr 21, 2008 to Feb 28, 2009

Greg Schumaker (RSO) incarcerated Indiana
Nov 21, 2006 to Nov 6, 2010

If GS was incarcerated from 2006 to almost the end of 2010 then how could he have introduced MP and JL, at the trailer park, 3 or 4 years ago? :waitasec:

If those dates are correct, GS is full of it and had nothing to do with MP and JL meeting.

MOO

Noway
01-04-2012, 11:36 PM
If GS was incarcerated from 2006 to almost the end of 2010 then how could he have introduced MP and JL, at the trailer park, 3 or 4 years ago? :waitasec:

If those dates are correct, GS is full of it and had nothing to do with MP and JL meeting.

MOO

From the RSO sheet for Greg Shumaker.

date convicted 03.03/2006
date released 12/08/2008

6 yrs with 4 yrs suspended/VOP
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=579799&AgencyID=54034

Noway
01-04-2012, 11:43 PM
According to media reports, James Lemmon was connvicted of child molestation in 2006.

Link to public records
https://mycase.in.gov/

eta
search criminal records for james e. lemmon and you'll find 3 cases, the last of which is the child molestation case

Kamille
01-04-2012, 11:50 PM
From his RSO sheet.

date convicted 03.03/2006
date released 12/08/2008

6 yrs with 4 yrs suspended/VOP
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=579799&AgencyID=54034

Thanks Noway. So the earliest that GS could have introduced MP to JL was after MP's release in February 2009.

Noway
01-04-2012, 11:55 PM
So the question becomes how Greg Shumaker knew MP to introduce him to James Lemmon (or James Lemmon to MP).

Shumaker said he introduced Plumadore to Lemmon shortly after Plumadore moved into the trailer park, and Plumadore moved in with Lemmon a few days later. Shumaker said he knew Lemmon because they were both sex offenders and were in jail together.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45795486/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/cops-babysitter-bludgeoned-girl-then-dismembered-her/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45795486/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/cops-babysitter-bludgeoned-girl-then-dismembered-her/)



So ... Plumadore moves into the trailer park, gets introduced to Lemmon, and moves in with him a few days later.

Was he staying with Shumaker those first days?

eta
Looked at the DOC entry for MP and the "earliest release date" was 02/28/2009 so really, it must have been March 2009.

Possible that Plumadore and Shumaker knew each other from prison too.

Kamille
01-05-2012, 01:27 AM
Do they put child sex offenders in the general population with people who are in for fraud/forgery?

I have no idea how that works.

Chris_Texas
01-05-2012, 02:54 AM
Do they put child sex offenders in the general population with people who are in for fraud/forgery?

I have no idea how that works.

Not usually, no.

billisbobby
01-05-2012, 04:44 AM
So all the RSO in jail-pedophiles in particular, are caged and in the play yard together?
Guess that gives them lots of time to discuss their interest.:furious: imoo

billisbobby
01-05-2012, 04:52 AM
Statistically, the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are not interested in murdering kids. Most are not even interested in PHYSICALLY injuring them. Which makes Mike, assuming he actually is a pedophile and sex was part of this crime, a very unusual maniac.

This is important to keep in mind when we consider the potential involvement of other RSO residents with this crime. It would be a mistake to casually assume that ANY of them were involved with murdering a child, or would find this anything less than horrifying -- which is not the same as saying that none of them could be involved in the murder, as the evidence might indicate that one or more of them were, but only that it is statistically unlikely.

While a group conpiracy by these RSOs to commit or cover up a murder is unlikely, it seems entirely possible some of the residents of this park were involved in sexually abusing these girls, possibly with grandpa's and/or MPs approval. It is possible that they were willing to pay for it, and MP certainly needed the money. Something like this scenario also provides a plausible motive for MPs actions -- Aliahna might have refused to be used in this way, or she perhaps objected to the involvement of her little sisters.

Yet-
JonBenet Ramsey was assaulted and killed.
Joseph pos Duncan sexually assaulted a brother and sister and later killed the brother (and other family members).
John couey sexually abused Jessica L. and buried her alive.
Polly Klaas was sexually abused and killed.
In just about every case I've read about in the past 10 years in which a child was molested or raped, the pedophile killed the child.

bbm
imoo

Chris_Texas
01-05-2012, 07:30 AM
Yet-
JonBenet Ramsey was assaulted and killed.
Joseph pos Duncan sexually assaulted a brother and sister and later killed the brother (and other family members).
John couey sexually abused Jessica L. and buried her alive.
Polly Klaas was sexually abused and killed.
In just about every case I've read about in the past 10 years in which a child was molested or raped, the pedophile killed the child.

bbm
imoo

Understandable, as these types of cases make international news.

There are usually between fifty and one-hundred-fifty stranger abduction-murders committed against children every year. Of these, a few dozen or so are sexual-assault murders. Compare that to the two to three hundred-thousand children who are molested and you will perhaps get a different perspective. This is not said to diminish the horror the victims experience or the severity of the crimes these animals commit.

Chris_Texas
01-05-2012, 07:32 AM
So all the RSO in jail-pedophiles in particular, are caged and in the play yard together?
Guess that gives them lots of time to discuss their interest.:furious: imoo

If they are in Prison, yes.

Donjeta
01-05-2012, 08:53 AM
If GS was incarcerated from 2006 to almost the end of 2010 then how could he have introduced MP and JL, at the trailer park, 3 or 4 years ago? :waitasec:

If those dates are correct, GS is full of it and had nothing to do with MP and JL meeting.

MOO

Either way it worries me. If it's true that he introduced them it worries me that he made the point to say so in the press because it's like he's taking the credit for contributing to the crime... If not for me MP wouldn't have met the family and murdered Aliahna. Is he proud of it, wow, I've finally accomplished something in this life?

If it's not true it worries me a lot because it's like he's taking the credit for contributing to the crime... is there something else he feels he should be credited for but can't say because it's illegal?

I suppose it could have been more of a referral from prison than a proper introduction. "Hey, I heard you're getting released and need lodgings, go see my pal in Pedo Park who needs some help, I'll send him a post card" type of thing.

But Elizabeth Sepponen said that the family knew MP from Iowa, on NG last night.

ClaireNC
01-13-2012, 05:37 PM
By studying timelines of the various individuals, I don't believe Shumaker was telling the truth when he says he introduced them. What reasons could he have for telling that particular lie? I don't think he was taking any credit for the murder, but was trying to hide something by telling that lie. What could he be hiding? Who would he lie for? Maybe one of the other RSO's in the trailer park. It is reported that Tulley is a Sexual Predator. He's the man that helped Plumadore wash his laundry. Get those words..."Sexual Predator"... they are from the Indiana state SOR. The truth behind those words are hidden behind a plea bargain, because the mothers of the victims did not want to put their children through the pain of a trial.

Noway
02-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Maybe he was trying to cover how they really met and how long they really had known each other. JMO

hoppy
02-05-2012, 10:15 AM
I was thinking about this the other day......

I find it interesting/strange that this horrible incident happened just weeks following the death of the grandpa. Can't help but wonder if the grandpa was somehow providing MP with ways to fill his monster needs and then after grandpa died MP acted out....

Just a thought.....