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beach
01-04-2012, 05:15 PM
Posted by Marc Klaas


Marc Klaas
The devil next door: Baby killer Michael Plumadore pleads not guilty. For the hour on Nancy Grace tonight (HLN @ 8 pm ET)


FB Link (http://www.facebook.com/#!/PollyDad)

Wanted to go ahead and put this up so everyone would be aware. I'm locking this thread and will open it up for discussion before the show airs.

beach
01-04-2012, 07:59 PM
:bump:

CarmelEyesD
01-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I will never understand how a judge can enter a not guilty plea, when it is positively known they are guilty??

Wise Old Owl
01-04-2012, 09:10 PM
He confessed. The Sheriff just said they have his confession on video.

OMG - now they are getting into KK and that molestation and how KK was related to everyone else.

Rut ro - bringing up grandpa now.

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 09:13 PM
somebody set NG straight, she (TS) moved there to take care of her RSO father. not to take care of her children. /rant

yllek
01-04-2012, 09:21 PM
Nancy coming down hard on the judge that refused the Protective Order filed by the 13 year old's mom when her daugher was sexted by Plumadore. Nancy claims the judge should have reported the claims to law enforcement (instead he advised the mom to do so).

yllek
01-04-2012, 09:40 PM
Ooh, Nancy just announed Aliayna's adult cousin Elizabeth Sepponen is joining the show. This cousin just said that the other girls are in protective custody because of death threats made against Tarah and the owner of the trailer park. She had a message from Tarah for the public: Ali was a sweet, helpful girl who always helped others and put others first.

Ransom
01-04-2012, 09:41 PM
I will never understand how a judge can enter a not guilty plea, when it is positively known they are guilty??

MP was not represented by an attorney. He has that right and the Judge will appoint one for him. The Judge had no other choice but to enter that plea FOR the accused. The Judge followed the law.

Dr.Fessel
01-04-2012, 09:42 PM
Nancy is pretending the mother did nothing wrong because she wants her on the show.

passionflower
01-04-2012, 09:44 PM
Nancy is pretending the mother did nothing wrong because she wants her on the show.

O/T IIRC like in her man Ron Cummings..........:banghead:

Ransom
01-04-2012, 09:47 PM
Nancy coming down hard on the judge that refused the Protective Order filed by the 13 year old's mom when her daugher was sexted by Plumadore. Nancy claims the judge should have reported the claims to law enforcement (instead he advised the mom to do so).

I agree with Nancy. :thud:

The Judge had the obligation as an officer of the court to "report" as do teachers, nurses, doctors, etc.

yllek
01-04-2012, 09:47 PM
Nancy is pretending the mother did nothing wrong because she wants her on the show.

I agree with your opinion. She did the same with Billie Dunn, long after she stopped believing Billie, imo. She also cut Cindy Anthony all kinds of slack (maybe because she really felt that way, but possibly to get her on the show).

I am glad the Sheriff in Ali's case continues to do interviews on the show. It's helpful to get confirmation straight from LE. I'm glad the Sheriff confirmed that the confession is on audio and video and that the FBI is investigating possible crimes in all the areas Plumadore resided over the years.

passionflower
01-04-2012, 09:49 PM
Anymore even a judge could be a pedo like MP or just as wierd. JMOO

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 09:51 PM
did she (the family friend) just say he was giving out toys and candy????? At the funeral????

:thud:

katydid23
01-04-2012, 09:51 PM
Wow. The cousin just described how 'caring' MP seemed to be and how great he was with kids. How frightening that is to think about.

caller: Tim from South Dakota. He is talking about KK still being friends with Dad on FB.
Hey, is Tim from WS? :crazy:

yllek
01-04-2012, 09:52 PM
Some great male caller is blowing Nancy's mind by reporting that Kurtis Kennedy RSO, abuser of Ali who is the brother of Ali's ex-stepmom, is still friends will Ali's dad on MySpace.

The caller noted that he reported Kennedy to LE since RSOs are not allowed on social media. Good on him!

Ransom
01-04-2012, 09:54 PM
did she (the family friend) just say he was giving out toys and candy????? At the funeral????

:thud:

Who? MP was in jail and KK is still in prison. ?????????

yllek
01-04-2012, 09:55 PM
Who? MP was in jail and KK is still in prison. ?????????

I think the cousin was talkin about Gramps Lemmon's funeral.

katydid23
01-04-2012, 09:57 PM
Who? MP was in jail and KK is still in prison. ?????????

NO. The grandpa's funeral. The cousin described how MP fooled everyone by seeming to be so kind and acting like he was so great with the kids.

And apparently, during the funeral, he handed out little toy trucks and things to keep the kids quiet during the service.

Ransom
01-04-2012, 09:58 PM
I think the cousin was talkin about Gramps Lemmon's funeral.

OK. Thanks. I was sooooo confused there. lol

Mgorules
01-04-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow. The cousin just described how 'caring' MP seemed to be and how great he was with kids. How frightening that is to think about.

caller: Tim from South Dakota. He is talking about KK still being friends with Dad on FB.
Hey, is Tim from WS? :crazy:

BBM
I was thinking the exact same thing when he came on...:waitasec:

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 10:00 PM
Who? MP was in jail and KK is still in prison. ?????????

I wasn't clear. She spoke of how caring MP was at GMPa Lemmon's funeral.
That MP was entertaining the children with little cars and candy. YUK

passionflower
01-04-2012, 10:01 PM
Nancy needs to study the family circle...........will blow her mind!

SuziQ
01-04-2012, 10:02 PM
Ooh, Nancy just announed Aliayna's adult cousin Elizabeth Sepponen is joining the show. This cousin just said that the other girls are in protective custody because of death threats made against Tarah and the owner of the trailer park. She had a message from Tarah for the public: Ali was a sweet, helpful girl who always helped others and put others first.

BBM. Uh no, I doubt that is true. Not directing this at you yllek!

Ransom
01-04-2012, 10:03 PM
Nancy needs to study the family circle...........will blow her mind!

No kidding. And how all these "people" are friends. Mind blowing to be sure.

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 10:07 PM
I will have to watch again, but I swear that woman said he (M.<modsnip>.P) was handing out toys and candy to the kids at J. (aka gp) funeral. Did I miss hear?

Ransom
01-04-2012, 10:13 PM
I will have to watch again, but I swear that woman said he (M.<modsnip>.P) was handing out toys and candy to the kids at J. (aka gp) funeral. Did I miss hear?

I think you are correct. MP was a free man when grandpa was buried on Dec. 8, 2011. I'm sure he was "charming" ... puke.

Ladylub
01-04-2012, 10:16 PM
I DVRed it so once my kiddos go to bed I will get to watch it.

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 10:20 PM
I think you are correct. MP was a free man when grandpa was buried on Dec. 8, 2011. I'm sure he was "charming" ... puke.

I seriously will have to listen again. I swear she said he kept the kids quiet with toys and candy during the service??? maybe I heard wrong.

yllek
01-04-2012, 10:21 PM
O/T IIRC like in her man Ron Cummings..........:banghead:

In that case, I think Nancy truly believed in Ron Cummings. She was passionately defensive of him long past any chance he'd be on the show again. Never undersood it. Just my (off topic) opinion!

sherryk
01-04-2012, 10:23 PM
imo...NG ohhhh so much gavre TS a free pass...and did not even play granny's part of previous phone interview when granny inno way shape or form blamed mp or ts...come on she will not get an interview with either of them....come on nancy grace dont whimp out..expose them all..justice for AL...



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yllek
01-04-2012, 10:23 PM
I will have to watch again, but I swear that woman said he (M.<modsnip>.P) was handing out toys and candy to the kids at J. (aka gp) funeral. Did I miss hear?

You are correct. That's what the cousin said. Plumadore attended grandpa Shorty Lemmon's funeral and gave the kids toys and candy.

Dr.Fessel
01-04-2012, 10:24 PM
In that case, I think Nancy truly believed in Ron Cummings. She was passionately defensive of him long past any chance he'd be on the show again. Never undersood it. Just my (off topic) opinion!
Ot but did you ever see a picture of Nancy Grace's fiance that was murdered?

katydid23
01-04-2012, 10:25 PM
I seriously will have to listen again. I swear she said he kept the kids quiet with toys and candy during the service??? maybe I heard wrong.

That's what the cousin said. Yup. She said he was acting all nice, like he was great with kids, by trying to help them behave during the service. I took my kids to a funeral when they were 2 and 6 and I gave the little one a book to look at while the service was going on as well, so she would not start screaming or babbling during the sensitive time. If someone had handed my 6 yr old a toy to play with, quietly, I would have appreciated it.

yllek
01-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Ot but did you ever see a picture of Nancy Grace's fiance that was murdered?

Nope, but now you know I'm going to find one. Thanks Doc! Might explain a little something, I suspect...

barrysgirl
01-04-2012, 10:34 PM
I think you are correct. MP was a free man when grandpa was buried on Dec. 8, 2011. I'm sure he was "charming" ... puke.

Just like Michael Jackson was with little boys....

Dr.Fessel
01-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Nope, but now you know I'm going to find one. Thanks Doc! Might explain a little something, I suspect...

Here is one.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 10:46 PM
That's what the cousin said. Yup. She said he was acting all nice, like he was great with kids, by trying to help them behave during the service. I took my kids to a funeral when they were 2 and 6 and I gave the little one a book to look at while the service was going on as well, so she would not start screaming or babbling during the sensitive time. If someone had handed my 6 yr old a toy to play with, quietly, I would have appreciated it.

IMO. I would never take a child to a RSO funeral.

sorry, but. never.

yllek
01-04-2012, 10:53 PM
The cousin that was on tonight, Elizabeth A. Seponnen, is 45. Nancy said she was Ali's cousin and there was a caption saying that as well. She is related to some "Lemmon"s. Could Ali really have a cousin that much older? Or, is she more likely Tarah's cousin?

katydid23
01-04-2012, 11:03 PM
IMO. I would never take a child to a RSO funeral.

sorry, but. never.

I think it was confusing for Tarah because her own father was an RSO. My own uncle abused me, and I went to his funeral. it was kind of surreal. But sexual abusers are more than just their evil acts. He was very loving and attentive and caring in many ways. That is how he got himself in the position to be my caretaker in the first place, sadly. But I cannot imagine how confusing it would be if he had been my father instead of my teenaged uncle. I would probably want to kill myself.

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 11:05 PM
Is this her?? on NG?

Family member, Elizabeth Sepponen says Aliahna’s mother, Tara, has been very ill and Aliahna and her two younger sisters have been in the care of a neighbor for the past week while the mother recovers.

ynotdivein
01-04-2012, 11:28 PM
Can I just say, you all have been magnificent on this thread tonight?

(Oh geez oh geez, don't want to interrupt the magic... just please keep being magnificent sleuthers!)

Please take any discussion of NG's personal life downstairs to the Parking Lot. I believe that we have a thread or two down there where you can feel comfortable to expand.

Carry on, and :tyou:

Ynot

octobermoon
01-04-2012, 11:40 PM
I think it was confusing for Tarah because her own father was an RSO. My own uncle abused me, and I went to his funeral. it was kind of surreal. But sexual abusers are more than just their evil acts. He was very loving and attentive and caring in many ways. That is how he got himself in the position to be my caretaker in the first place, sadly. But I cannot imagine how confusing it would be if he had been my father instead of my teenaged uncle. I would probably want to kill myself.

No No No they are their evil acts. Not ever are they to be trusted again.
Not ever. This is why Aliahna died. Not confusing at all. Take it from one
who knows. :( (I called him Uncle)

Bittiness39
01-04-2012, 11:43 PM
I just want to vomit now. With the aunt/cousin or whatever just saying a message from Tarah about Ali...essentially, she loved everyone. Save in that mention mom and dad. And also, Ali, bless her little heart, taught her sibblings to tie their own shoes...I guess because the pedo's don't know how. They can't help themselves. It's called stop procreating.

Bittiness39
01-04-2012, 11:57 PM
If we as a group, Websleuths, The Hinky Meter, and AWB don't send the police or Nancy Grace what we have thus far, who in the **** are we? This group of individuals needs to be exposed. This is not some kind of tabloid stuff...this is sick and a bunch of inter-marrying predators who like little girls. JMO. If I need a TO I get it.

barrysgirl
01-04-2012, 11:57 PM
I just want to vomit now. With the aunt/cousin or whatever just saying a message from Tarah about Ali...essentially, she loved everyone. Save in that mention mom and dad. And also, Ali, bless her little heart, taught her sibblings to tie their own shoes...I guess because the pedo's don't know how. They can't help themselves. It's called stop procreating.

I heard that too, LB. It made me sick too. And what a strange thing to say too.

what is wrong with these people??

Bittiness39
01-05-2012, 12:26 AM
I heard that too, LB. It made me sick too. And what a strange thing to say too.

what is wrong with these people??

Trying to minimize what to "us" seems very very very very wrong. JMO. ITA.

FrayedKnot
01-05-2012, 12:39 AM
Well, this may sound naive, but how might we go about contacting NG, HLN, et al with the excellent timelines and family underbrush compilations and have it given proper attention?

I only mean does anyone have a contact that could open the doors of communication so our emails or phone calls don't get "file 13'd?".

It would be really nice to hear "Bombshell tonight!....." and have the whole show be on all the intermarriage, criminal records, frequent moves to the same places, etc.

I just think LBitty had a good point-let's tell someone with a (really unique) lol, voice what we know and maybe get a few things cleared up.

katydid23
01-05-2012, 12:43 AM
No No No they are their evil acts. Not ever are they to be trusted again.
Not ever. This is why Aliahna died. Not confusing at all. Take it from one
who knows. :( (I called him Uncle)

I agree they should never be trusted again. I never ever trusted my uncle again. But it WAS confusing for me. I was Alihana's age when I began to say NO. But it was still confusing. I would go to my Grandma's for Sunday dinner and we would all be there together. I never knew what to say or do. :mad:

Ladylub
01-05-2012, 01:03 AM
I really wish that we would hear some things that we cant get our hands on. Though she did seem a bit surprised to learn that DM was still friends with Kurtis K. No clue how to contact her I would hope that the people she has out looking for this kind of info would have run into it all by now. Maybe she knows about the twisted branch of this family tree but to stay on the family's good side she will not air their dirty laundry. Heck being nice to them might get more info out of them.

Bittiness39
01-05-2012, 01:04 AM
Well, this may sound naive, but how might we go about contacting NG, HLN, et al with the excellent timelines and family underbrush compilations and have it given proper attention?

I only mean does anyone have a contact that could open the doors of communication so our emails or phone calls don't get "file 13'd?".

It would be really nice to hear "Bombshell tonight!....." and have the whole show be on all the intermarriage, criminal records, frequent moves to the same places, etc.

I just think LBitty had a good point-let's tell someone with a (really unique) lol, voice what we know and maybe get a few things cleared up.

ITA! If we don't we are telling future generations that what happened was ok. It is not. It does not matter where you came from, what happened to you, it was not ok. And to perpetuate it...is sad...DO NOT! If you were molested, that was not ok. If you were raped. That was not ok. It is not ok what happened to Ali. It was not. NOT.

jjenny
01-05-2012, 01:06 AM
The cousin that was on tonight, Elizabeth A. Seponnen, is 45. Nancy said she was Ali's cousin and there was a caption saying that as well. She is related to some "Lemmon"s. Could Ali really have a cousin that much older? Or, is she more likely Tarah's cousin?

With the web of relationships these people appear to have, I think anything is possible.

yllek
01-05-2012, 02:01 AM
Is this her?? on NG?

Family member, Elizabeth Sepponen says Aliahna’s mother, Tara, has been very ill and Aliahna and her two younger sisters have been in the care of a neighbor for the past week while the mother recovers.

Yep, same family member who was on NG tonight.

She also said:
“The babysitter thought that she had gone home to Tara. So nobody realized, because of the miscommunication, that she had actually been missing for a few hours,” Sepponen said. “Tara’s pretty freaked out.”

From the same article:
"Sepponen says she is partially blind and deaf and suffers from mood and conduct disorders".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45787816/ns/local_news-fort_wayne_in/t/police-still-searching-missing--year-old-girl/

So, Sepponen is the one that said the girls had been at MP's for a week, but it was actually 3 days, right? I'm still not clear on how long they had been staying with "Uncle Mike" before Ailey was reported missing. Sepponen says that Ailey had been missing for a "few hours" before the family realized/reported it, due to miscommunication with babysitter. But, MP's inital story to LE, the public, and reportedly to Tarah was that Ailey was gone when he got up on Friday morning (and we know it was probably before that). LE wasn't notified until 8 pm on Friday. That's much more than "a few hours".

And it was Sepponen who characterized Ailey as having "mood and conduct disorders".

Tonight, she was the family member who passed on Tarah's message about how wonderful Ailey was (which I'm sure is true, RIP Angel). I wonder if she is the family spokesperson? Sepponen seemed genuine in the phone interview with Nancy tonight, but I am curious as to whether she's spinning for the family or if she just believes that MP had everyone fooled (and she has no sense of time).

lauriej
01-05-2012, 03:17 AM
I will have to watch again, but I swear that woman said he (M.<modsnip>.P) was handing out toys and candy to the kids at J. (aka gp) funeral. Did I miss hear?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/04/ng.01.html)
Baby-Sitter Pleads Not Guilty in Murder of 9-Year-Old

--Nancy Grace Transcript---

Aired January 4, 2012 - 20:00
--snipped--

ELIZABETH SEPPONEN, COUSIN OF ALIAHNA (VIA TELEPHONE Well, clearly, he was very deceptive. He wasn`t on the sex offenders list. And before Tarah moved to the trailer park, she asked her Dad, you know, Will my kids be safe? He said yes. She said, What about Mike? He said yes. They had known him from Iowa. He`s just -- he fooled everyone, even some of the reporters he talked to. He just -- he fooled them.

In fact, at Jim`s funeral, I met him and he spoke to my son, which now just makes me sick to my stomach. But he just seemed nice. He was giving the other kids, you know, little trucks and cars to play with and keeping them occupied while the family, you know, greeted everybody who was coming in. And he just -- I don`t know. He just had a way of fooling everybody except for [Sheriff] Ken Fries.

octobermoon
01-05-2012, 05:34 AM
I agree they should never be trusted again. I never ever trusted my uncle again. But it WAS confusing for me. I was Alihana's age when I began to say NO. But it was still confusing. I would go to my Grandma's for Sunday dinner and we would all be there together. I never knew what to say or do. :mad:

I am sorry if I sound harsh. I understand the confusion. But I don't condone family that continues to repeat the pain. I said no. I meant no. And no one to this day questions my stance. I didn't go to "uncle's" funeral. I don't care to hear about how he was nice in other ways. As if what he made me do is minimized by his kindness to others.

"he fed the homeless, and gave to orphans, and baked cookies at Christmas...
a lot of kids don't have it as good as you" So be a good little girl and shut up about it already. Was it really that bad?

These people are adults now. They have a choice. They don't have to go to Sunday dinner and pretend it is all okay. But they do :(

Wild@Heart
01-05-2012, 05:37 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/04/ng.01.html)
Baby-Sitter Pleads Not Guilty in Murder of 9-Year-Old

--Nancy Grace Transcript---

Aired January 4, 2012 - 20:00
--snipped--

ELIZABETH SEPPONEN, COUSIN OF ALIAHNA (VIA TELEPHONE Well, clearly, he was very deceptive. He wasn`t on the sex offenders list. And before Tarah moved to the trailer park, she asked her Dad, you know, Will my kids be safe? He said yes. She said, What about Mike? He said yes. They had known him from Iowa. He`s just -- he fooled everyone, even some of the reporters he talked to. He just -- he fooled them.

In fact, at Jim`s funeral, I met him and he spoke to my son, which now just makes me sick to my stomach. But he just seemed nice. He was giving the other kids, you know, little trucks and cars to play with and keeping them occupied while the family, you know, greeted everybody who was coming in. And he just -- I don`t know. He just had a way of fooling everybody except for [Sheriff] Ken Fries.

I declare shenanigans!

Lera213
01-05-2012, 05:47 AM
I need a graph, pie chart, connect the dot chart of who is who and who slept with who and which are SO's. lol

octobermoon
01-05-2012, 06:03 AM
I need a graph, pie chart, connect the dot chart of who is who and who slept with who and which are SO's. lol

Blue from HM said this is okay to share.
Good luck.

https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/mbDoW

Donjeta
01-05-2012, 07:57 AM
GRACE: Sheriff, I know that you -- your stomach must turn. It was you and your law men and law women that cracked this case, that worked 24/7 around the clock over Christmas holiday to find the killer of little Aliahna.

When you hear that he was previously charged with sexting, sending sex messages to another little girl, including naked male photos -- did you know that?

FRIES: We didn`t know it at the time, but that`s one of the things that has concerned us. That`s why I`ve asked the FBI to reach out to their sources around the country, anyplace he`s been in the past, to see if there`s any type of cases like this still out there that are unsolved that he may be involved in.

Good.

sherryk
01-05-2012, 10:00 AM
I really wish that we would hear some things that we cant get our hands on. Though she did seem a bit surprised to learn that DM was still friends with Kurtis K. No clue how to contact her I would hope that the people she has out looking for this kind of info would have run into it all by now. Maybe she knows about the twisted branch of this family tree but to stay on the family's good side she will not air their dirty laundry. Heck being nice to them might get more info out of them.

* yes she did seem suprised.. but not that suprised that she wanted to ask more.. she got that caller off the phone... I dont believe that for one moment that her producers do not read this forum and others.. that is part of their job to read news, and inside information which we on here seem to have and also have proof of it... NG knows exactly what is going on.. she is hush, hush on the family members.. I dont know why.. but I am going to be disapointed that this "ring" of players are not brought out.. not to bash them but to show a dysfunctional family that knew of or should of known going on's and what person(s) stay friends with FB players in this.. and seems to be all happy little friends..
COME ON NANCY... dont sugar coat the apparent and to expose the facebook and question mom's actions is not bashing.. it is REPORTING THE FACTS .... justice for AL no matter who's delicate feelings it hurs.. including Granny and mommy and all the other bunch of players and enablers.

momshrink
01-05-2012, 10:25 AM
I really appreciate all who transcribe the shows. :great:

SuziQ
01-05-2012, 10:27 AM
IMO, Based on the silly reason she gave for DFS taking the kids, the cousin is either spinning the facts to make the family and TS look better, or she's passing on incorrect information told to her.

concentric
01-05-2012, 04:17 PM
I just want to say Thank You to the Nancy Grace Program for having Marc Klaas speak about what is going on in this country, about his dear daughter, Polly, and about Aliahna. I could not stop crying. And I cannot stop crying now.

I swear, Marc, I'm going to write you in to be President, or on a ticket with John Walsh. Love you guys.

katydid23
01-05-2012, 05:27 PM
I am sorry if I sound harsh. I understand the confusion. But I don't condone family that continues to repeat the pain. I said no. I meant no. And no one to this day questions my stance. I didn't go to "uncle's" funeral. I don't care to hear about how he was nice in other ways. As if what he made me do is minimized by his kindness to others.

"he fed the homeless, and gave to orphans, and baked cookies at Christmas...
a lot of kids don't have it as good as you" So be a good little girl and shut up about it already. Was it really that bad?

These people are adults now. They have a choice. They don't have to go to Sunday dinner and pretend it is all okay. But they do :(

I applaud you for speaking up and telling your family about what happened. I did not do that for almost 30 years. I feel bad about that. So it was my fault that I had to sit through Sunday dinners with him because I never told the rest of the family what he had been doing. :sad:

octobermoon
01-05-2012, 05:53 PM
I applaud you for speaking up and telling your family about what happened. I did not do that for almost 30 years. I feel bad about that. So it was my fault that I had to sit through Sunday dinners with him because I never told the rest of the family what he had been doing. :sad:

None of it is your fault!

:hug: