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curiousc
01-15-2012, 12:40 PM
I do think he is responsible and I think BD is as well.

What scares me is their list of reading material that was taken from the bedroom by LE. Many of those stories are serial type stories.

Do you think SA will strike again?

passionflower
01-15-2012, 01:24 PM
leopards can't and do not change their spots, do they?
I fear that these people only get worse.
We will hear their names in the news again.........JMOO

curiousc
01-15-2012, 06:15 PM
Sadly, I do think he may strike again. They live in Austin now, am I correct?

Reason I ask this question, is that it came to me today with reading of a few other missing person's cases from Texas that you never know if a perp has or will strike again.

fhc
01-15-2012, 07:00 PM
They always strike again when they get away with it. So many examples of previous killers that got away with 1st kill. Drew P., Joran, etc.

liltexans
01-15-2012, 07:25 PM
I think Billie is still in the Austin area, but I'm not sure if SA is still with her. There have been rumors of trouble in paradise, but who knows? These two are addicted to each other so even if they aren't together now I'm sure they will be again.

I don't know if SA will commit another crime against an innocent teenage girl, but I won't be shocked if he does.

Knox
01-15-2012, 08:59 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/105wdj5.jpg

http://kvmckaum.blogspot.com/2011/12/one-year-prayer-vigil-held-for-missing.html

Billie and Shawn were together at Hailey's Vigil held on December 17th. I think the rumors of trouble, were just that.

As for whether or not Shawn will act again, I think it depends on a few things. I have never been able to make up my mind about the level of Billie's involvement. Was it some sort of accident that was covered up or did he act alone? Their actions and words spoken after the fact were not normal for sure. But was that because they were covering up illicit or illegal activities, or because they harmed and disappeared Hailey?

katydid23
01-15-2012, 09:24 PM
HIs picture at the vigil makes my hair stand on end. I am not sure if he will kill anyone. I think he will possibly abuse a young girl if he is given the chance. I would watch him closely around kids. But he may have felt that he had a really close call and limit himself because he knows he is being watched, imo.

Soulmagent
01-16-2012, 12:38 AM
I was sure everyone thought he was 100 percent responsible. Except me. I am not 100 percent. I am at a 50/50. Logical thinking is keeping me there. I feel however he didnt have much to do with it at all ,directly.Since I only dream psychic stuff every 10 years or so. I do not place much value on my "feelings".

What is this "if'' about?

TobyWong*
01-16-2012, 05:43 AM
I'm waiting for a "property of billie jean" tramp stamp on his backside. Ala misty cummings. Imo

Knox
01-16-2012, 07:35 PM
I was sure everyone thought he was 100 percent responsible. Except me. I am not 100 percent. I am at a 50/50. Logical thinking is keeping me there. I feel however he didnt have much to do with it at all ,directly.Since I only dream psychic stuff every 10 years or so. I do not place much value on my "feelings".

What is this "if'' about?

My name is Knox and I'm a flip-flopper http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

My feelings tell me he did it, but the sketchy tactics and investigation make my logical side think there is a chance he did not. Does that make any sense?

Evan's Mom
01-16-2012, 08:30 PM
I just don't think he did it. What evidence is there that Shawn killed Hailey?
His fascination with horror doesn't mean anything to me and he apparently wasn't found with child porn. I even think he's smart enough to kill Hailey and get away with it. I need real evidence that shows me he could have done it. Acting weird isn't evidence.

Chili Fries
01-17-2012, 03:57 AM
I just don't think he did it. What evidence is there that Shawn killed Hailey?
His fascination with horror doesn't mean anything to me and he apparently wasn't found with child porn. I even think he's smart enough to kill Hailey and get away with it. I need real evidence that shows me he could have done it. Acting weird isn't evidence.

I don't know if Shawn is responsible but I can't categorically dismiss his horror fascinations as having nothing to do with this case.

It's hard not to think of Mackenzie Cowell and Chris Wilson, the guy in jail charged with murdering Mackenzie. Wilson was fascinated with gory stuff too and the account (told by someone who knows him) of Wilson mutilating bodies at the funeral home where he worked reminds me of Billie's brother saying Shawn cut up deer with a chainsaw. If those stories are true, they are real-world manifestations of the horror obsession. And in Wilson's case, he was sadly willing to take his obsession to the next level.

Another thing about Shawn that really disturbed me is his obvious insincerity and smugness in the aftermath of Hailey's disappearance. I posted at the time that he reminded me of Eddie Haskell. For folks who don't know, Eddie Haskell was teenage a character on the TV show Leave It To Beaver who was really full of himself. He would put on an overly polite act when talking to adults while acting like a creep when he was hanging around with other kids. Just seems like there's a real disconnect with Shawn's personas. Seems like this also manifested itself with him raving about one of his horror masks on the Michael Myers forum a day after he had asked for those forums members' prayers for the missing Hailey (which was a little weird in itself, since he wasn't really what I would consider a regular poster on that forum). He had also posted on that forum in the past that he broke a girl's jaw who broke his heart.

I'm not that far above 50% on Shawn's responsibility (I'm not that confident in the police work in this case either) but I do think there's some troubling stuff surrounding him (and Billie). If he is responsible, I think he's probably too cautious to hurt anybody again anytime soon but I would be scared for people around him as time goes on and the heat really dies down.

hollyblue
01-17-2012, 10:55 AM
I hope they both get fixed, because neither one is worthy of being a parent. IMO. AND.... I hope Hailey haunts them forever.

Evan's Mom
01-17-2012, 11:47 AM
I don't know if Shawn is responsible but I can't categorically dismiss his horror fascinations as having nothing to do with this case.

It's hard not to think of Mackenzie Cowell and Chris Wilson, the guy in jail charged with murdering Mackenzie. Wilson was fascinated with gory stuff too and the account (told by someone who knows him) of Wilson mutilating bodies at the funeral home where he worked reminds me of Billie's brother saying Shawn cut up deer with a chainsaw. If those stories are true, they are real-world manifestations of the horror obsession. And in Wilson's case, he was sadly willing to take his obsession to the next level.

Another thing about Shawn that really disturbed me is his obvious insincerity and smugness in the aftermath of Hailey's disappearance. I posted at the time that he reminded me of Eddie Haskell. For folks who don't know, Eddie Haskell was teenage a character on the TV show Leave It To Beaver who was really full of himself. He would put on an overly polite act when talking to adults while acting like a creep when he was hanging around with other kids. Just seems like there's a real disconnect with Shawn's personas. Seems like this also manifested itself with him raving about one of his horror masks on the Michael Myers forum a day after he had asked for those forums members' prayers for the missing Hailey (which was a little weird in itself, since he wasn't really what I would consider a regular poster on that forum). He had also posted on that forum in the past that he broke a girl's jaw who broke his heart.

I'm not that far above 50% on Shawn's responsibility (I'm not that confident in the police work in this case either) but I do think there's some troubling stuff surrounding him (and Billie). If he is responsible, I think he's probably too cautious to hurt anybody again anytime soon but I would be scared for people around him as time goes on and the heat really dies down.


By that reasoning, should someone in any of our families come up missing, we would all be held as persons of interest too.
Most of the posters here read anything and everything they can about the cases they are following. Lots of them with very nasty details and then we research the hell out of what we read. Can you imagine if some of our computers got confiscated for LE perusal?

I think Shawn was/is a cocky 20 something and knew he didn't do anything to hurt Hailey. He's not some genius. If Hailey had been murdered in that house, there would be some evidence.
I'm not saying things were "awesome" in that home, but I still don't think Billie or Shawn had anything to do with disappearing Hailey beyond lackadaisical parenting.

katydid23
01-17-2012, 11:53 AM
By that reasoning, should someone in any of our families come up missing, we would all be held as persons of interest too.
Most of the posters here read anything and everything they can about the cases they are following. Lots of them with very nasty details and then we research the hell out of what we read. Can you imagine if some of our computers got confiscated for LE perusal?

I think Shawn was/is a cocky 20 something and knew he didn't do anything to hurt Hailey. He's not some genius. If Hailey had been murdered in that house, there would be some evidence.
I'm not saying things were "awesome" in that home, but I still don't think Billie or Shawn had anything to do with disappearing Hailey beyond lackadaisical parenting.

Well, imo, it is very damning that he went into work and quit his job, a high paying job that he needed, on the very same day she went missing.

And his interest in 'crime' is very different than most of the WSers. Most of us put ourselves into the role of the crime fighters or investigators, hoping to aid the victims. Shawn, on the other hand, had custom made killing masks, made to fit his own face. he put himself into the role of the sadistic killer.

He and Billie read those stories as aphrodiasiacs. They used them to light a sexual spark. Again, unlike the way the WSers see these crime stories, imo.

concernedmother
01-17-2012, 11:56 AM
What ever happened it appears that her family have moved away and moved on. I dont think we will ever know what happened but I do think she quickly became the forgotten child. :(

Chili Fries
01-17-2012, 12:18 PM
By that reasoning, should someone in any of our families come up missing, we would all be held as persons of interest too.
Most of the posters here read anything and everything they can about the cases they are following. Lots of them with very nasty details and then we research the hell out of what we read. Can you imagine if some of our computers got confiscated for LE perusal?

I think Shawn was/is a cocky 20 something and knew he didn't do anything to hurt Hailey. He's not some genius. If Hailey had been murdered in that house, there would be some evidence.
I'm not saying things were "awesome" in that home, but I still don't think Billie or Shawn had anything to do with disappearing Hailey beyond lackadaisical parenting.
I do think the allegation of cutting up deer (which hunters don't do) may mean he has just more than the average horror fetish. There was also the picture of him with an animal heart but there was no context for that other than him trying to look creepy

I agree about our computer history following these cases but I hope my compassion for the victims comes through in my posts.

I don't agree about the evidence though. He's a much larger and strong than Hailey and probably could strangle her without leaving evidence. And I don't think we know all that LE found in searches of the house. There could have been something suspicious.

Like I said, I'm not much more than 50/50 on him being responsible and I wonder about some of the police work, but at the same time...he was the last to see her, has been named a suspect and there are some things about him that worry me.

liltexans
01-17-2012, 12:49 PM
Shawn's also the one who made those oh so lovely comments about Hailey being promiscuous. His cell phone pings also place him in the CCity area at the time he claims to have been not in CCity. There's evidence against Shawn (circumstantial evidence is evidence).

However, my problem with Shawn is that I really don't think he's very smart. I actually think Billie is smarter than Shawn and that's saying something, because she's not the sharpest tool in the shed either.

Tugela
01-18-2012, 02:33 AM
Shawn's also the one who made those oh so lovely comments about Hailey being promiscuous. His cell phone pings also place him in the CCity area at the time he claims to have been not in CCity. There's evidence against Shawn (circumstantial evidence is evidence).

However, my problem with Shawn is that I really don't think he's very smart. I actually think Billie is smarter than Shawn and that's saying something, because she's not the sharpest tool in the shed either.

He never claimed not to have been in CC at that time, he said he was passing through. The idea that he didnt go to CC is based on sloppy investigators who assumed he said something based on their interpretation of a figure of speach, and based on what other people said. Now, I'm pretty sure that was sunbsequently clarified, but since they wanted their search warrants they had to play dumb when they submitted their affidavit. that is what LE does when trying to get a warrant on probable cause, they don't dig too deeply into what they percieve as long as it is incriminating. That serves their purpose.

If you look at what SA says he did, it involves going to the mothers house via the grandmothers place, in other words through CC. And the phone pings are entirely consistent with that.

Also, HD was seen by multiple people after he passed through and went to his mother's house. There was also the text message to her friend, again after he had passed through and was long gone. Whatever else he did that day, there is clear evidence pointing away from him. The problem is that everyone is so fixated on him fitting "the ideal perp" concept, that they ignore the stuff that says it wasn't him. But that stuff doesn't go away.

Soulmagent
01-18-2012, 09:16 AM
It is the other stuff ,that has me wondering too.. the other stuff Billie outed and wasnt supposed to talk about and said she wasnt sure what she could say. That right there shows me Billie might not be very good with keeping stuff to herself. The witness's she mentioned on NG that LE wanted keep quiet while they built their case on SA, and the text ,and the dogs tracking Hailey to a hotel room. The SO neighbor seeing her on the phone.

Ths case warrented two teams searching and investigating independant of eachother. That never happened. LE's reaction to this case is what makes me doubt SA being the one to abduct Hailey.
I also thought in the TV interveiw SA did where people said he was smirking that he seemed not to believe Hailey was in any danger. I believed he thought Hailey would be coming home any minute and the reported statement to police support this impression.IMO when he answered where they might find Hailey. Which was not aked while in prcess of a lie test because ony yes and no questions are asked on those so it may have been reworded and that rewording discussed before hand. Whch would make it look like an absolute when it was really an opinion.
He mght of been a bit in awe of how serious things were getting when Hailey is just going to come home.

That was the first impression I got from watching him on NG. He is immature so I could see this thought process. I think I will watch it again to refresh ,maybe now I will see it differently. I think if SA had done anything with Hailey ,we all would have know by now because of his limited time that day and his being watched by LE and his phone pings and locations he could have traveled that day. He does not have much time that has not been accounted for. Plus the searchers. I realize he could just be lucky and I could be all wrong . I always end up back to the dogs and the 6 hotels. plus witnesses..etc..

Add in Billie pushed the LE into this case, they had wanted to leave it at Hailey run away. The first press release Toombs is smirking ,wth a poop eating grin. I still cant get past that.

Knox
01-18-2012, 04:35 PM
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/04/bring-them-home-now-exclusive-shawn-adkins-speaks-out?sms_ss=facebookI can't remember what Shawn said about his phone pinging in CC? Wondering if that subject is mentioned in this program. Did we map CCity to Snyder (Shawn's Work), then to Dunn? Wasn't going through CCity to reach Dunn a weird route to take?

I appreciate links from those who make statements about what a POI has said or didn't say. It's been a while now and people's memory fades, particularly mine.

Chili Fries
01-19-2012, 02:48 AM
I can't remember what Shawn said about his phone pinging in CC? Wondering if that subject is mentioned in this program. Did we map CCity to Snyder (Shawn's Work), then to Dunn? Wasn't going through CCity to reach Dunn a weird route to take?

I appreciate links from those who make statements about what a POI has said or didn't say. It's been a while now and people's memory fades, particularly mine.

Shawn in his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgd0gEfecZw&feature=related

Affidavits linked here:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/hailey_dunn_arrest_affidavits_missing_teen/?partner=yahoo_feeds


I've said this before...I often have a hard time telling if women are lying but I think I am generally able to tell when guys are likely lying, and it seems to me that Shawn is lying like crazy in that video.

Evan's Mom
01-19-2012, 04:24 PM
Well, imo, it is very damning that he went into work and quit his job, a high paying job that he needed, on the very same day she went missing.

And his interest in 'crime' is very different than most of the WSers. Most of us put ourselves into the role of the crime fighters or investigators, hoping to aid the victims. Shawn, on the other hand, had custom made killing masks, made to fit his own face. he put himself into the role of the sadistic killer.

He and Billie read those stories as aphrodiasiacs. They used them to light a sexual spark. Again, unlike the way the WSers see these crime stories, imo.

I swear I've never heard that. Can you point to a link or something?
My fiance is a lot younger than I am and collects horror memorabilia.
I read most of cases on this board. We discuss a lot of them.
NEVER have we used them as an aphrodisiac and I've never heard of anyone else doing that either. I'm sure it happens, but it's just bizarre.

As far as quitting his job on the day she disappeared, yeah, that's odd; but it doesn't make him a killer. It makes him pretty lazy and unlucky.

Dude is not a genius. I won't be surprised if it comes out Shawn killed Hailey, but I really think if he had, there would be more than a little evidence and he'd have been arrested for something by now.

Evan's Mom
01-19-2012, 04:28 PM
I do think the allegation of cutting up deer (which hunters don't do) may mean he has just more than the average horror fetish. There was also the picture of him with an animal heart but there was no context for that other than him trying to look creepy

I agree about our computer history following these cases but I hope my compassion for the victims comes through in my posts.

I don't agree about the evidence though. He's a much larger and strong than Hailey and probably could strangle her without leaving evidence. And I don't think we know all that LE found in searches of the house. There could have been something suspicious.

Like I said, I'm not much more than 50/50 on him being responsible and I wonder about some of the police work, but at the same time...he was the last to see her, has been named a suspect and there are some things about him that worry me.

But if he killed her, it probably would have been in the house.
Why didn't any of the dogs pick up on the decomp?

curiousc
01-22-2012, 11:57 AM
There's talk of evidence here. If I remember correctly, I've never once saw LE go through that house with cadaver dogs or luminol. They searched the place but did not thoroughly search it as a crime scene. The only places I've heard of them using cadaver dogs was at the landfill searches and when they seized Billy's car. The couch that Hailey slept on was replaced and there was word that it sat on the back of SA's old truck for a time before being taken away.

Soulmagent
01-22-2012, 01:29 PM
Shawn in his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgd0gEfecZw&feature=related

Affidavits linked here:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/hailey_dunn_arrest_affidavits_missing_teen/?partner=yahoo_feeds


I've said this before...I often have a hard time telling if women are lying but I think I am generally able to tell when guys are likely lying, and it seems to me that Shawn is lying like crazy in that video.

At 8.40 in this Video SA seems like he is about to cry.

Caligram
01-23-2012, 03:32 AM
Don't know how this case faded away. What about all that porn stuff which was supposed to result in jail time? I haven't read about HD in quite a while, but haven't forgotten about her. It is just such an outrage that so many young girls turn up missing and nobody is found/held responsible. Heartbreaking that this happens more frequently with each passing year.
MOO

Hatch
01-23-2012, 03:58 PM
At 8.40 in this Video SA seems like he is about to cry.
While watching these videos You tube linked to another video where SA is in the black mask etc.... At the first of that video is some words, the first word is Napalmcarcass, I was just wondering what that is? or what it means, I know what Napalm is but I dont understand the word as a whole ! TIA

Is it possibly the band playing that horrible music?

Soulmagent
01-23-2012, 06:27 PM
While watching these videos You tube linked to another video where SA is in the black mask etc.... At the first of that video is some words, the first word is Napalmcarcass, I was just wondering what that is? or what it means, I know what Napalm is but I dont understand the word as a whole ! TIA

Is it possibly the band playing that horrible music?

I can find the video you mention ,Can you link it?

I did find , Napalm is a band and Carcass is a song title

Hatch
01-23-2012, 06:54 PM
I can find the video you mention ,Can you link it?

I did find , Napalm is a band and Carcass is a song title
http://youtu.be/EkQgnTwORcI Link to SA slasher video with the words Napalmcarcass as the beginning ! It is titled Shawn Adkins slasher video on YouTube.

TxLady2
01-24-2012, 09:00 AM
There's talk of evidence here. If I remember correctly, I've never once saw LE go through that house with cadaver dogs or luminol. They searched the place but did not thoroughly search it as a crime scene. The only places I've heard of them using cadaver dogs was at the landfill searches and when they seized Billy's car. The couch that Hailey slept on was replaced and there was word that it sat on the back of SA's old truck for a time before being taken away.

We don't know how thoroughly they searched the house, but AFAIK, they have to have a reason to treat it as a crime scene, there has to be some indication there was a crime committed there. IIRC, the house was searched more than once. NO child porn was found. Owning porn is not illegail, unless you are making/distributing it for profit.

IMO, they zeroed in on Shawn from the 1st day and never looked at other possibilities. There just isn't enough evidence to charge him because they still don't know whether she's dead or not. She could have been abducted by some child predator and taken to another state, for all we know.

As far as the true crime literature they found... that's not illegal, either. Many people are fascinated with true crime and the gorier the better. Judging by some of the gruesome theories I've read on these forums, I would say that there are a bunch of folks here who are obsessed with it. JMO, and I could be wrong... if so, it's not going to hurt my feelings.

Soulmagent
01-24-2012, 09:34 AM
We don't know how thoroughly they searched the house, but AFAIK, they have to have a reason to treat it as a crime scene, there has to be some indication there was a crime committed there. IIRC, the house was searched more than once. NO child porn was found. Owning porn is not illegail, unless you are making/distributing it for profit.

IMO, they zeroed in on Shawn from the 1st day and never looked at other possibilities. There just isn't enough evidence to charge him because they still don't know whether she's dead or not. She could have been abducted by some child predator and taken to another state, for all we know.

As far as the true crime literature they found... that's not illegal, either. Many people are fascinated with true crime and the gorier the better. Judging by some of the gruesome theories I've read on these forums, I would say that there are a bunch of folks here who are obsessed with it. JMO, and I could be wrong... if so, it's not going to hurt my feelings.

The reason the stated on the affidavitt is how the got a warrent ,the evidence they said they were looking for and the reason they wanted to search the house are on it. They thought SA was suspicious. Weak ,but hey it got the in so yay for them . Of course Billie had let them in an search already and they found nothig in there to indicate probable cause because it would have been included on the request for the search warrent (mo)

The biggest issue I have with LE is the makng the porn and literature so huge. They took that literature into evidence and they took that porn and made that their case . Then they stated in the public everytime they heard rumors of where Billie was seen. Well CC you cant start building until you have a SOLID foundation. At least a few bricks. When investigators started being miss leading to Billie what is she supposed to trust? At least SA admits he lied. Billie thought they found Child porn n her home.

I wondered how I would feel if it was me in her shoes and the investigators are feeding me stuff that turns out untrue? Would I trust them to help me locae my daughter? NO.


What makes me very angry is that Billie Dunn lost public support of missing advocates, search teams, etc.. who could have pushed this case forward,and CCITY was only worried about their witch burning and not about finding Hailey. Now however everyone believes SA killed Hailey dunnn and shoved her in a well and most of the country doesnt care, and Hailey could be anywhere .:furious:

For The Kids
03-10-2012, 08:36 AM
But if he killed her, it probably would have been in the house.
Why didn't any of the dogs pick up on the decomp?

Because she was moved out of the house too quickly maybe?

ozazure
03-10-2012, 04:54 PM
He could have returned to the house somewhere around 6:30 and removed her from the house alive, he then had a bit under 3 hours before his phone pinged in Big Spring, and perhaps the following day to further hide any evidence.

Also, the couch Hailey slept on was removed from the house. When were the dogs brought through the house? Maybe something happened to Hailey on that couch.

Really sucks for Shawn he could have had an air tight alibi if he'd only stayed at work.

I don't know if he will do it again if he is guilty because I don't know what sparked the crime - the "hobby" may have been what made him more capable of it, not what caused it. Maybe he was the one covering up for Billie. They are both certainly capable of volatile relationships, they are probably most at risk from each other, hopefully if you don't live with them you should be right.