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Apples2Apples
02-07-2012, 06:34 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Susan-Powell-case-called-a-murder/2WwEi8YgTEq5l1y9XtxmZg.cspx


OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Authorities have been investigating the disappearance of Susan Powell as a murder for at least several months, while they publicly left open the possibility that the Utah mother might be found alive.

A search warrant obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request Tuesday showed that police were investigating three felonies in Utah: first-degree murder, kidnapping and obstructing a public servant.

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that they believe Powell is dead, saying in an AP interview that the case is being handled as a murder investigation.

Gill wouldn't discuss the evidence, but said authorities don't have enough information to file charges in the case.

"I think when I talk about it as a missing persons case, that's because we haven't located the body of Susan Powell," Gill said. "Do we think that she may have met harm? Sure.

"I think that's been an ongoing assumption with law enforcement," he said, adding that the case remains "open and active."

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 06:58 PM
drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
Pierce County serving search warrant at Josh Powell's storage unit #susanpowell


Drew Mikkelsen
@drewmikk Olympia, WA
KING-5's South Bureau Chief. A huge Husky and SF Giants fan. Loves spending time with his family. FYI: Retweeting/posting something is not an endorsement.

https://twitter.com/#!/drewmikk

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Please, Please let there be answers in that storage unit.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 07:06 PM
It is about time, IMO

christee
02-07-2012, 07:08 PM
I thought this news would be appropriate here!

BenWinslow (https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow) Ben Winslow

BREAKING NEWS: #WVC (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23WVC) PD serving search warrant on #JoshPowell (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23JoshPowell) storage unit! Details on @fox13now (https://twitter.com/#!/fox13now) @ 5!

~n/t~
02-07-2012, 07:16 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Susan-Powell-case-called-a-murder/2WwEi8YgTEq5l1y9XtxmZg.cspx


OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Authorities have been investigating the disappearance of Susan Powell as a murder for at least several months, while they publicly left open the possibility that the Utah mother might be found alive.

A search warrant obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request Tuesday showed that police were investigating three felonies in Utah: first-degree murder, kidnapping and obstructing a public servant.

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that they believe Powell is dead, saying in an AP interview that the case is being handled as a murder investigation.

Gill wouldn't discuss the evidence, but said authorities don't have enough information to file charges in the case.

"I think when I talk about it as a missing persons case, that's because we haven't located the body of Susan Powell," Gill said. "Do we think that she may have met harm? Sure.

"I think that's been an ongoing assumption with law enforcement," he said, adding that the case remains "open and active."

bbm
How can they file charges on a dead person?:waitasec:

Sorry but this news isn't making me feel any better. Actually, it's quite infuriarting that they are now considering this a murder investigation. They didn't need a body if they had evidence.

~n/t~
02-07-2012, 07:18 PM
2 years!

passionflower
02-07-2012, 07:20 PM
Please, Please let there be answers in that storage unit.

I would think that LE would of known and searched the storage unit before all of this.
Wasn't he a POI???
Geez...........
Yes, let's all hope the answers are there!!!



Also, on JVM right now, JP (in video) said he made smores that night........
camping trip, so he built a fire right???

fearless
02-07-2012, 07:21 PM
Steven Powell is "person of interest" in Susan's disappearances.
http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2012/02/07/jailed-father-of-josh-powell-now-a-person-of-interest-in-susan-cox-powells-disappearance-placed-on-suicide-watch

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 07:27 PM
BenWinslow Ben Winslow
UPDATE: 911 recordings in the #JoshPowell murder-suicide to be released tonight. @fox13now #findsusan

https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow

passionflower
02-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Maybe the monster's dad SP will be charged????

sherbetjello
02-07-2012, 07:32 PM
My stomach sank with the storage unit news.

x_files
02-07-2012, 07:34 PM
I thought this news would be appropriate here!

BenWinslow (https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow) Ben Winslow

BREAKING NEWS: #WVC (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23WVC) PD serving search warrant on #JoshPowell (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23JoshPowell) storage unit! Details on @fox13now (https://twitter.com/#!/fox13now) @ 5!

Why did it take the murder/suicide in order to get a search warrant? Something stinks!!!
He was the only suspect his entire life, property and storage spaces should have been searched with a fine tooth comb.
This whole tragedy has left me angry!

DLT88
02-07-2012, 07:38 PM
Maybe the monster's dad SP will be charged????

Yeah, maybe so. I am thinking that people, the police, EVERYBODY is angry as heck that this monster did this and we never got to see him cuffed and doing the perp walk so I am thinking that it will be very tough for SP if they should find one shred of evidence linking him to Susan's disappearance. I think, at the least, he will be charged as an accessory. He may be punished to the max, too, because they didn't get to punish JP. It will be fitting, too, since he raised his son to be so sick.

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 07:38 PM
This storage unit search gives me hope. Not sure why he had it. Plenty of room at his house and his dads house for his stuff.

cluciano63
02-07-2012, 07:41 PM
LE can't just charge SP because there is no left to charge...they have to be able to prove he knew and/or helped with disposing of Susan, or that he was in a conspiracy with JP to kill her, hide her body, etc...

I'm not quite sure how they will be able to do that...JMO

Dewey2Me1MoThyme
02-07-2012, 07:42 PM
This storage unit search gives me hope. Not sure why he had it. Plenty of room at his house and his dads house for his stuff.

He probably had the hatchet stored there IMHO, and I agree with you, probably the same one used on the boys was used on Susan. (from another thread)

Are they just now finding out about this storage locker?
How long had he had it? why wasn't it searched before?

Cortne
02-07-2012, 07:44 PM
My stomach sank with the storage unit news.
Did they just found out about the unit since the last messages he sent out?

DLT88
02-07-2012, 07:49 PM
LE can't just charge SP because there is no left to charge...they have to be able to prove he knew and/or helped with disposing of Susan, or that he was in a conspiracy with JP to kill her, hide her body, etc...

I'm not quite sure how they will be able to do that...JMO

No, of course not. But if the find anything -- one shred -- I will bet they will go for accessory to murder.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 07:50 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/live/

x_files
02-07-2012, 07:58 PM
I would think that LE would of known and searched the storage unit before all of this.
Wasn't he a POI???
Geez...........
Yes, let's all hope the answers are there!!!



Also, on JVM right now, JP (in video) said he made smores that night........
camping trip, so he built a fire right???

If they find her there or any evidence then I think lawsuits are in order towards whomever, dropped the ball on obtaining a search warrant.
It cost the lives of two innocent children.

jjenny
02-07-2012, 08:01 PM
If they find her there or any evidence then I think lawsuits are in order towards whomever, dropped the ball on obtaining a search warrant.
It cost the lives of two innocent children.

I am sorry but I have never heard about a lawsuit against the police for not solving the criminal case or finding evidence. Cause a lot of people would be suing with crime solving rates being as low as they are.

belleyes
02-07-2012, 08:03 PM
Why did it take the murder/suicide in order to get a search warrant? Something stinks!!!
He was the only suspect his entire life, property and storage spaces should have been searched with a fine tooth comb.
This whole tragedy has left me angry!

ITA----This should have been done months, no years ago. Why now????? Anyone know if this was just brought to LE attention ?

Paige SC
02-07-2012, 08:06 PM
What. A. Joke.

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 08:19 PM
ITA----This should have been done months, no years ago. Why now????? Anyone know if this was just brought to LE attention ?
They had no grounds for a search warrant on his stuff in WA. They had already done a search warrant on all his stuff before he moved up there.

Kimster
02-07-2012, 08:20 PM
Search and seizure laws are ridiculous, folks. I have a friend who is a deputy in Oregon and she said the book regarding S&S in Oregon is so intimidating that the cops are half afraid to search anyone!

We can't violate anyone's rights now, can we? (sarcasm intended)

Apples2Apples
02-07-2012, 08:24 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow BenWinslow Ben Winslow
NEW: Search warrant says #JoshPowell withdrew $7k from bank the day before the murder-suicide. @fox13now #findsusan


WTF?!?! What did he do with the $$? Hide it somewhere for his family?

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Wow wow and wow.............what a case.....and once again-thanks for Websleuths so we can process.....I have said it before and I say it again-I don't know how cops do it. They really do not get to live a normal life with unfettered thoughts.

I have been taught that the age of reason is seven. After that-there is potential turmoil of all kinds in the human mind. Including the knowledge of right and wrong....being taught by family or community and society at-large.

A human being hired by society to solve terrible crimes people commit after the age of 7-that has to be a calling of a Saint.

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 08:29 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow BenWinslow Ben Winslow
NEW: Search warrant says #JoshPowell withdrew $7k from bank the day before the murder-suicide. @fox13now #findsusan


WTF?!?! What did he do with the $$? Hide it somewhere for his family? Let's just hope he gave it to his dad for singing lessons.:floorlaugh:

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 08:30 PM
Where did that SOB get that kind of money?

passionflower
02-07-2012, 08:32 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow BenWinslow Ben Winslow
NEW: Search warrant says #JoshPowell withdrew $7k from bank the day before the murder-suicide. @fox13now #findsusan


WTF?!?! What did he do with the $$? Hide it somewhere for his family?

where did he get that amount of money!!
how many can save that much??
he had lawyer bills, moving etc........no work

Cortne
02-07-2012, 08:33 PM
Tax refund?

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 08:38 PM
I guess we can all forget that money can make one happy-this is beyond the pale here. I hope the Investigators get to the bottom of the money!

beach
02-07-2012, 08:39 PM
I'm not terribly hopeful that the storage unit will turn up any clues. I pray I am wrong. I'm just thinking that the same guy who has obviously taken great care in plotting his suicide & the double homicide of his 2 young children and is anal enough to give specific instructions on having his utilities turned off (?!?), has probably removed anything incriminating and/or that might lead to clues in locating Susan. :cry:

Like I said, I pray I am wrong. Like everyone else, I pray there is something...(anything!!)...to shed light on the truth.

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Tax refund?

Any of the media appearances he did or people magazine. Did he ever do an interview for NE?

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Tax refund?

Yes C-Children as chattel?

indicat
02-07-2012, 08:43 PM
Any of the media appearances he did or people magazine. Did he ever do an interview for NE?

Yes, I bet your right, good ole media rights to photos and such

Emma Peel
02-07-2012, 08:43 PM
oops, I'm confused.

Is this a change of status for SP? To now be a POI in this case?

http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2012/02/07/jailed-father-of-josh-powell-now-a-person-of-interest-in-susan-cox-powells-disappearance-placed-on-suicide-watch

Steven Powell, the jailed father of Josh Powell and grandfather of Charles and Braden Powell, has been named a person of interest in the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.

indicat
02-07-2012, 08:46 PM
Let's just hope he gave it to his dad for singing lessons.:floorlaugh:

They keep playing clips off him singing on nancy grace, they need to stop, :sick:

x_files
02-07-2012, 08:47 PM
Where did that SOB get that kind of money?

Did he give to his family? or to who??? why?
weird. very weird and this case is far from over. Something tells me this is far from the end. Deep dark secrets within the Powell's family.

x_files
02-07-2012, 08:48 PM
They keep playing clips off him singing on nancy grace, they need to stop, :sick:

It's worse than any horror move I've seen lately. Gives me the chills but, it did the first time I heard it.

Emma Peel
02-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Prosecutors in Pierce County say they would consider making a deal with the father-in-law of missing Puyallup mom Susan Powell, who has been charged with voyeurism and possession of child pornography, in exchange for information about her disappearance.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/623968/Pierce-County-prosecutors-would-consider-plea-deal-for-Steven-Powell

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 08:48 PM
oops, I'm confused.

Is this a change of status for SP? To now be a POI in this case?

http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2012/02/07/jailed-father-of-josh-powell-now-a-person-of-interest-in-susan-cox-powells-disappearance-placed-on-suicide-watch

Yes it is a change and they better have some good evidence to back that up. Otherwise I am scared they are just doing it so they don't have to close the murder investigation of Susan and release all the evidence they have against Josh.

x_files
02-07-2012, 08:53 PM
http://mynorthwest.com/11/623968/Pierce-County-prosecutors-would-consider-plea-deal-for-Steven-Powell

Give a pervert in possession of child porn a deal? Are they kidding? I hope they lie and charge him anyways after the fact.
He needs to stay behind bars far away from women and children.

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 08:54 PM
Bargaining with depraved persons-sickening and I couldn't do it. Bring back the hot lights and Chicago cops.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 08:57 PM
It just got worse.

komonews komonews.com
Case worker: "I could hear one of the kids crying, but he still wouldn't let me in ... He looked right at me and closed the door" #findsusan

Imagine the horror of what she heard and saw!

IHAVENOCLUE
02-07-2012, 08:57 PM
They keep playing clips off him singing on nancy grace, they need to stop, :sick:

But, maybe he will be "singing like a canary" now?

I know...I know...no such luck!

belleyes
02-07-2012, 08:58 PM
They had no grounds for a search warrant on his stuff in WA. They had already done a search warrant on all his stuff before he moved up there.

:doh: I am so irritated by this I forgot about the whole jurisdictional thing. Thanks

dog.gone.cute
02-07-2012, 09:03 PM
:waitasec: WTH ? Whoa ... I thought I read the title of this thread wrong until I saw the date "7FEB12" ...

So ... Susan's disappearance is "now being considered a murder investigation" ?

Good Grief :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I just don't know what else to say ... this is just absolutely devastating !!!

:(:(:(

Dr.Fessel
02-07-2012, 09:09 PM
This warrant on the records and storage unit is because of the murder suicide. They had no cause to get a warrant before this.

TGIRecovered
02-07-2012, 09:15 PM
Is there any indication in the news reports of where this storage unit is located? Any news agency covering live?

Do we have any members in the area who are aware of a sudden police presence around a storage business?

dog.gone.cute
02-07-2012, 09:18 PM
It just got worse.

komonews komonews.com
Case worker: "I could hear one of the kids crying, but he still wouldn't let me in ... He looked right at me and closed the door" #findsusan


OMG ... this is just absolutely devastating !

I will be keeping this case worker in my thoughts and prayers, along with prayers for Mr. and Mrs. Cox, Susan, Charlie, Braden, and all the Cox's family and friends ...

Tragic ... just absolutely Tragic !

:(:(:(

krimekat
02-07-2012, 09:20 PM
Search and seizure laws are ridiculous, folks. I have a friend who is a deputy in Oregon and she said the book regarding S&S in Oregon is so intimidating that the cops are half afraid to search anyone!

We can't violate anyone's rights now, can we? (sarcasm intended)

too true, Kimster . . . happens in so many jurisdictions.

x_files
02-07-2012, 09:22 PM
This warrant on the records and storage unit is because of the murder suicide. They had no cause to get a warrant before this.

Child porn wasn't enough for a search warrant before? Forgive me for feeling insane. I can't fathom this right now.
I wish I was an investigator I would tore through everything immediately I wouldn't wait after murder/suicide. ugh...
What is wrong with our laws?!!

passionflower
02-07-2012, 09:30 PM
Child porn wasn't enough for a search warrant before? Forgive me for feeling insane. I can't fathom this right now.
I wish I was an investigator I would tore through everything immediately I wouldn't wait after murder/suicide. ugh...
What is wrong with our laws?!!

Child Porn, helping SP or a missing wife over 2 years??? for clues????

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 09:32 PM
My brother was a CPS worker for 4 years-back in the 90's ..and one time he had a client show up at his home with a gun. My brother wasn't home but my sister-in-law was-with 4 children under the age of 8. She had to talk the guy down while holding one in her arms.
CPS workers go through a lot. And they are usually hated more than cops.

IHAVENOCLUE
02-07-2012, 09:33 PM
Child porn wasn't enough for a search warrant before? Forgive me for feeling insane. I can't fathom this right now.
I wish I was an investigator I would tore through everything immediately I wouldn't wait after murder/suicide. ugh...
What is wrong with our laws?!!

This is a good question, X_files! I do wonder why Josh and Daddy having porn was not enough to get a search warrant for a storage shed?

Maybe LE didn't know Josh was renting a storage shed (not the right word, but my brain is numb) prior to Sunday's "events". Maybe it was mentioned in the e-mails, etc. from Josh sent right before his rampage?

Just a thought......

IHAVENOCLUE
02-07-2012, 09:38 PM
BTW...I hope the search in the storage unit doesn't turn out like Jeraldo Rivera's prime time TV televised search in Al Capone's "vault"?

Not trying to be disrespectful...but that WAS a bust!

Emma Peel
02-07-2012, 09:40 PM
SP a POI to cut a deal with, eh?

If that hatchet's still in evidence I have an idea how to make use of it. :furious:

x_files
02-07-2012, 09:42 PM
Child Porn, helping SP or a missing wife over 2 years??? for clues????

something is wrong starting from day 1.

tiredblondy
02-07-2012, 09:42 PM
SP a POI to cut a deal with, eh?

If that hatchet's still in evidence I have an idea how to make use of it. :furious:

Yep and I'd start down and work up!He'd suffer a lot.

SyraKelly
02-07-2012, 09:42 PM
could they be making the deal so that Susan can be buried next to her babies-which I think everyone wants-she needs to be brought home and laid to rest with her babies!

sherbetjello
02-07-2012, 09:47 PM
Did they just found out about the unit since the last messages he sent out?

I have never heard of a storage unit till today, but JP was settling affairs prior to all of this. Maybe it wasn't in his name hence never being searched? Or maybe it was a new unit since he was in transition? I'm not sure. Seems a lot has gone on in the past few months that many are still so very unaware of. Makes my heart ache that things might of got complacent.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 09:52 PM
I once read a book that a woman quit paying on her storage unit and then the LE went in at storage owners request and they found her mother's remains in a sealed up trash can.
Now maybe JP told who ever he gave the money to, to keep on paying for the unit til the money ran out and that person contacted LE just now about the secret storage!
I'm praying for answers!

Herding Cats
02-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Dr. Fessel is right - there was a big jurisdictional issue going on. With the murders of those sweet boys, now WA can actually do something, instead of just watching.

If the storage unit was not in SP's name, there is NO way that they could have searched it. And since JP wasn't charged with a crime, even if the WA LE knew about the storage unit, they couldn't search it.

Our constitution provides for a life free of unreasonable S/S. It has always been interpreted that until you've been accused or arrested for a crime, you have the right to refuse permission for a search. After arrest, of course, it's game on.

But an arrest is also a problem, because you need to be able to prove the likelihood of a crime, or have 'reasonable suspicion' that a crime has occurred or is occurring.

In other words, despite being court-ordered to take a psycho-sexual exam, and the kids being removed (due to SP's actions), and the alleged presence of photos on JP's computer, there was no reasonable suspicion that a crime had occurred or is occurring **in the jurisdiction** that JP lived in.

Further, LE is prevented from conducting "fishing" exercises, such as contacting all the storage units in the area and asking if JP has a unit. Kind of like LE running your plate for no reason - they're not allowed to. If LE catches you breaking a traffic law, they can run the plate...but not until. And because of the "No Fishing" rule, LE often doesn't have knowledge that something exists...

I can't leave off thinking that SP is talking (about the storage unit) to be able to get a deal with LE, and that this was likely a bit of info given to 'prove' SP's statements as valid; most deals include a phrase that if the information is baloney, the deal is a no-go. So it could very well be that SP said something, LE now can get a warrant, and this has all transpired in the last 24-48 hours.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this search...maybe nothing, maybe proof of Susan's murder, maybe just more circumstantial stuff.

All I know is that two boys are dead, and their mother is likely dead too, at the hands of at least one monster...and maybe the monsterDaddy is talking to save his behind...

This whole thing is utterly, totally horrible. And I think it will get worse before it gets better...and it will never get better. KWIM?

Best-
Herding Cats

Starry Night
02-07-2012, 10:19 PM
This why people go to war-I hope. !!!
I am SO ANGRY at this judicial system of ours.........
Back in the day humans did what they were born to do-stop evil in its tracks. Omg-read 'A Tree Grows in Brooklyn' and just see how the neighborhood deals with FREAKS.

Taking deep breaths right now

Kimster
02-07-2012, 10:20 PM
911 tapes discussion ---> 7FEB2012 - 911 Tapes Released - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

(New thread and the posts were moved there. This is so horrid. :tears: )

Emma Peel
02-07-2012, 10:20 PM
JP killed his children = murder = criminal investigation.

Why shouldn't they get a search warrant for everything JP & search all his stuff post-mortem? Seems to me they have cause right there.

JP was just in court begging to get his kids back. He was told he had to have a psych eval first. Was that the trigger?

Not to mention, if there's 7K cash missing somewhere - where is it?

christee
02-07-2012, 10:21 PM
BenWinslow (https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow) Ben Winslow

Just tried to talk to #JoshPowell (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23JoshPowell)'s sister. "YOU caused this!" she said before slamming the gate. @fox13now (https://twitter.com/#!/fox13now)

ETA: (This was actually a few hours ago)

Isabelle
02-07-2012, 10:27 PM
I guess since there was no dead body, Susan being missing wasn't considered a Homicide. Do you think they now realize that if Josh killed his boys, he must have killed Susan. Duh! They are just trying to make themselves look good. What is the problem with our system?

BTW, I found 2 runaways living in an empty house two doors down from me tonight. Police took they away in handcuffs. Wow, what a night! I guess I'm an official sleuther, lol!

SuziQ
02-07-2012, 10:35 PM
This is a good question, X_files! I do wonder why Josh and Daddy having porn was not enough to get a search warrant for a storage shed?

Maybe LE didn't know Josh was renting a storage shed (not the right word, but my brain is numb) prior to Sunday's "events". Maybe it was mentioned in the e-mails, etc. from Josh sent right before his rampage?

Just a thought......

ITA. This is what I think as well.

grandmaj
02-07-2012, 10:39 PM
I'm sure as a result of Sunday they have gotten warrants to examine his bank account. Thus knowing about the 7k and probably found payments for the storage unit. Where was this money coming from? He didn't work did he?

SuziQ
02-07-2012, 10:40 PM
JP killed his children = murder = criminal investigation.

Why shouldn't they get a search warrant for everything JP & search all his stuff post-mortem? Seems to me they have cause right there.

JP was just in court begging to get his kids back. He was told he had to have a psych eval first. Was that the trigger?

Not to mention, if there's 7K cash missing somewhere - where is it?

Exactly Emma. LE also stated they are investigating who among family and friends knew what and when they knew it. If they don't cooperate they will get search warrants. Then you have Steve still facing trial. Any evidence they can find on that case will help with his prosecution. Just because JP is dead does not mean LE has nothing to investigate. The investigation is far from over.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 10:42 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46303290/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/t/josh-powells-storage-unit-searched-calls-released/
this claims storage unit is near Sumner............where is that at?
and LE claims no relation to Susan disappearing.............yeah, right......

SuziQ
02-07-2012, 10:44 PM
I guess since there was no dead body, Susan being missing wasn't considered a Homicide. Do you think they now realize that if Josh killed his boys, he must have killed Susan. Duh! They are just trying to make themselves look good. What is the problem with our system?

BTW, I found 2 runaways living in an empty house two doors down from me tonight. Police took they away in handcuffs. Wow, what a night! I guess I'm an official sleuther, lol!

BBM. This is not true. This is merely the first public aknowledgement that this Susan's case is a homicide. LE has been looking for a body since Susan went missing. They looked for a body for weeks last summer.

passionflower
02-07-2012, 10:45 PM
BenWinslow (https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow) Ben Winslow

Just tried to talk to #JoshPowell (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23JoshPowell)'s sister. "YOU caused this!" she said before slamming the gate. @fox13now (https://twitter.com/#!/fox13now)

ETA: (This was actually a few hours ago)

HA! Blame your own family upbringing aka dad:what:!

x_files
02-07-2012, 10:48 PM
This is a good question, X_files! I do wonder why Josh and Daddy having porn was not enough to get a search warrant for a storage shed?

Maybe LE didn't know Josh was renting a storage shed (not the right word, but my brain is numb) prior to Sunday's "events". Maybe it was mentioned in the e-mails, etc. from Josh sent right before his rampage?

Just a thought......

This doesn't make investigators look good. If it was rented in either SP or JP's name should have been searched ugh...

Herding Cats
02-07-2012, 10:50 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46303290/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/t/josh-powells-storage-unit-searched-calls-released/
this claims storage unit is near Sumner............where is that at?
and LE claims no relation to Susan disappearing.............yeah, right......

Here's a link to where Sumner is...quite near Puyallup (I so can't spell that). http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sumner+washington&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x5490557cea0c4007:0x568153d0b37e4380,Sumner ,+WA&gl=us&ei=avAxT_7xI-iiiQLSrtHGCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CEEQ8gEwAg

And WA LE has to say it's not in relationship to Susan; they can't investigate that until evidence of a crime involving Susan occurred in Washington. Jurisdiction stuff. But rest assured, they sure are investigating everything related to JP now...they have enough PC to do pretty much anything they need to do now.

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passionflower
02-07-2012, 11:08 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/live/
by the time I found this station, I just heard about SP.
Nothing we didn't already know.
and
Braden and Charlie's funeral, public is invited.

indicat
02-07-2012, 11:12 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/live/
by the time I found this station, I just heard about SP.
Nothing we didn't already know.
and
Braden and Charlie's funeral, public is invited.

And they have taken back saying this is a murder investigation saying the office made a mistake, still a missing person case, no body, no cause of death. The man they talked to had a stupid grin on his face when he said this....
:maddening:

Melanie
02-07-2012, 11:25 PM
bbm
How can they file charges on a dead person?:waitasec:

Sorry but this news isn't making me feel any better. Actually, it's quite infuriarting that they are now considering this a murder investigation. They didn't need a body if they had evidence.

Amen. 2 little boys dead and NOW they want to serve a search warrant?

pffffttttt....

MOO

Mel

passionflower
02-07-2012, 11:27 PM
To be perfectly honest, what difference does it even make now if they consider it a murder case or not?

IMO, for the COX family to know the truth what happened to their daughter.
IMO, Susan never left her home, her children on purpose.
IMO, to clear up everything and have closure.
JMOO

LadyL
02-07-2012, 11:27 PM
does anyone else think he blew the money up with him?

if he actually gave it to someone, like a relative, then that person had to know something was up ... unless he told them some bogus story

indicat
02-07-2012, 11:28 PM
To be perfectly honest, what difference does it even make now if they consider it a murder case or not?

I dont really know except if I hear no body, no cause of death again I think Ill go insane. Even now its just more of the same and frankly I think the stuff about an arrest was coming is bull, I feel very jerked around.

indicat
02-07-2012, 11:29 PM
IMO, for the COX family to know the truth what happened to their daughter.
IMO, Susan never left her home, her children on purpose.
IMO, to clear up everything and have closure.
JMOO

Yes! Thank you!

CherBearSTL
02-07-2012, 11:36 PM
Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

indicat
02-07-2012, 11:42 PM
Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

I highly doubt Josh cared to help the Coxes with the expense whome he had to know would be in charge of burying the boys. Somehow I think he got it to his brother or sister, maybe for his dad.

They did announce the funeral will be at an LDS Ward Saturday.

Kimster
02-07-2012, 11:43 PM
I didn't see where anyone asked this question, but perhaps I overlooked it.

Do we know how JP had that much money? Could afford a rental? Did he have a job?

mysteriew
02-07-2012, 11:45 PM
I can't help but think that they won't find anything in the storage unit related to Susan. They may find porn and child porn, but it is a little late for that.

I think the only way they will ever find Susan's body now is by accident or if some of his family talks. I think they all know, and don't want to admit.

AliVada
02-07-2012, 11:48 PM
If they had any life policies if he is convicted in any and all of their deaths then none of his beneficiaries of his estate (if anything) can profit if he is the murderer of the persons who was named as insured

Kathy

mysteriew
02-07-2012, 11:48 PM
Maybe the $7k was for funeral expenses. Maybe he hid it and then told the people he emailed where to find it. Just a thought.

IF he has money, as the father of two deceased little boys, he should be responsible for their burial. Just because he chose not to be present for their burial should not exempt him from that responsibility. He can go into an unmarked grave or his family can be responsible for his burial. IF he had any money at all I hope the Cox's move on it.

MarthaM
02-08-2012, 03:14 AM
Maybe he used the $7K (or part of it) to pay in advance for a storage unit somewhere. Not necessarily the one referenced already, but somewhere else. Maybe some place he was already renting and wanted to be sure was paid up for a long, long time.

No real reason why I'm thinking that, nothing to base it on. Just a possibility.

hollyblue
02-08-2012, 03:52 AM
LE can't just charge SP because there is no left to charge...they have to be able to prove he knew and/or helped with disposing of Susan, or that he was in a conspiracy with JP to kill her, hide her body, etc...

I'm not quite sure how they will be able to do that...JMO

After seeing how Sunday's massacre was so well planned....so was Susan's disappearance, imo. Has to be some trace of info...somewhere. I pray. TBH, I don't know if I can handle what they will discover happened, if they do. His using that house for a staging...especially with all the pics of Susan...and not actually living there is really "out there" and overwhelmingly creepy to me.

Can the DA or someone ask for a mandated psycho and/or psycho-sexual evaluation for SP?

hollyblue
02-08-2012, 04:32 AM
Here's a link to where Sumner is...quite near Puyallup (I so can't spell that). http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sumner+washington&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x5490557cea0c4007:0x568153d0b37e4380,Sumner ,+WA&gl=us&ei=avAxT_7xI-iiiQLSrtHGCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CEEQ8gEwAg

And WA LE has to say it's not in relationship to Susan; they can't investigate that until evidence of a crime involving Susan occurred in Washington. Jurisdiction stuff. But rest assured, they sure are investigating everything related to JP now...they have enough PC to do pretty much anything they need to do now.

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Now I'm confused. What was the probable cause for the search of SP's property when they found the cp?

waltzingmatilda
02-08-2012, 09:43 AM
Now I'm confused. What was the probable cause for the search of SP's property when they found the cp?

I'm not 100% sure about this hollyeblue, but if memory serves me correctly the search was due to the P men's admission that they were in possession of Susan's journals and were planning to publish them.

A friend of SP's also came forward and LE learned that SP' bragged about having the journals, along with Susan's LDS undergarmets and his porn locked up in his bedroom. Dont quote me on this as I don't have a link.

This should have been a murder investigation from the beginning, IMO. Here is an example of all the red flags.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/susan-cox-powell-victim-of-domestic-abuse-experts-say-controlling-behavior-a-red-flag-video

MOO

wm

Isabelle
02-08-2012, 10:05 AM
I dont really know except if I hear no body, no cause of death again I think Ill go insane. Even now its just more of the same and frankly I think the stuff about an arrest was coming is bull, I feel very jerked around.

I agree completely, further, why isn't a missing person considered federal, so that investigation, etc in all states ca be carried out. Lesson learned here, commit a crime in another state and move to Washington State, since they can't touch you. This is completely idiotic!

21merc7
02-08-2012, 10:13 AM
I agree completely, further, why isn't a missing person considered federal, so that investigation, etc in all states ca be carried out. Lesson learned here, commit a crime in another state and move to Washington State, since they can't touch you. This is completely idiotic!

Washington State would not be able to bring any charges, or arrest until something busted open in the case. If Susan was found in Utah, Washington State would arrest him and send him to Utah to be tried. If Susan was found in Washington, he would be arrested and tried there. It's not as if moving freed him of pending charges. Susan was simply never found, and there was not enough evidence (found of shared, I don't know if one or both) to force Washington State to get a search warrant for a storage locker.

believe09
02-08-2012, 10:55 AM
I can understand everyone's confusion regarding search warrants and the status change to Susan's disappearance.

BUT-we do not allow LE bashing on the boards. We are supportive of their efforts to take all of the necessary steps to find some measure of justice here for the boys, for Susan and for the Cox's.

mysteriew
02-08-2012, 11:20 AM
I think that LE has privately considered this a murder investigation all along. But for legal reasons they could not say so.

They don't do all the searches, tie up all the manpower, use all the dogs and equipment searching for a person they belive is alive. They have believed she was dead. But to accuse too early could cut off some sources of info. Could open them up to lawsuits. And could stall any further investigation as well as endanger any possible prosecution.

LE has a very well known procedure for speaking with media and the release of info. First they will deny any suspects, but will agree that that they have people they want to talk with. If they don't they can be accused in trial of narrowing their focus too soon and not looking at other people as suspects.

Then they will sometimes say that someone (usually someone who isn't cooperating) is a "person of interest." IOW they have some reason to believe this person may be guilty, but they don't have enough info to accuse them or to take it to court.

Then they can name a suspect, which usually means they have enough evidence that points to the persons guilt that they can defend themselves against any libel/slander suits. But maybe not enough to use up their one chance to try this person for the crime.

One of the huge drawbacks in this case is the lack of a body. Many many times prosecutors won't take a case to court unless they have a body. Because if they take it to court and lose, if a body is ever found it can't be tried again. Unless LE could produce a body or produce evidence of enough violence that a person was killed, they aren't going to take it to court.

We still don't know what caused the wet stain. Was it blood? Was it a large enough stain to conclude that death would be the only reasonable result? Were they able to connect it to Susan through DNA? Or was it vomit? Were they able to isolate any toxins? How about the charred wood? Did it show any signs of bodily fluid? Were they able to connect it to Susan in any way?

Even if all of these things did show what we thought. Even if they were able to connect all of them to Susan. Even if they did all point to the death of Susan. There is still an open question. Where is her remains? And if there is any open questions at all, there is a legal hole the defense can drive a wedge through and destroy a case. The Anthony case is a good example of how the slightest question can leave a hole the defense can exploit.

the seeker
02-08-2012, 11:28 AM
I just see a whole lot of laws here that need changing. LE is just doing what they can WITHIN the laws, like it or not, thats how it is. Its up to us to get the laws changed and this case begs for a whole bunch of them to be changed:

Children who are POSSIBLE witnesses of a crime, and have already been removed from a home of a husband of their missing MOTHER, should not have to have visitiations with the father. PERIOD. Just in case. Rights be d@#$ed. Or visitiations only under armed supervision NOT in the home.

In order to find a missing person where foul play is believed to have occured, LE should be allowed to search whatever and wherever necessary. And the uncooperative behavior of the owner of the property should become part of the PC.

I know many people would say these would be huge violations of rights. I, frankly, am so ticked off and so sick of this that Im willing to give up some of my rights. I have nothing to hide!!

passionflower
02-08-2012, 11:36 AM
I cannot find anything today on if LE searched the storage locker?
Did they find anything? or nothing?
Absolutely nothing............it is a cliff hanger........

AnaTeresa
02-08-2012, 12:17 PM
I can understand everyone's confusion regarding search warrants and the status change to Susan's disappearance.

BUT-we do not allow LE bashing on the boards. We are supportive of their efforts to take all of the necessary steps to find some measure of justice here for the boys, for Susan and for the Cox's.

I am sure there's a lot going on with LE that we don't know about. LE, for the most part, care about their jobs. They care about protecting people and solving crimes. While there are always a few bad apples, I don't think it's fair to imply that LE have been anything but thorough in this case. Hopefully, they will solve it soon, and then we'll be able to see just how hard they've been working behind the scenes.

21merc7
02-08-2012, 02:50 PM
May have already been posted,

I was told from my family that they were working on a case without a body to go after him for murder, and it was within a few weeks the arrest was going to take place, and we were all excited that something was going to happen, and that we might be able to bully Josh or make a deal or something to tell us where Susan is. Unfortunately, that won't happen,” said Cox.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/susans-powell-sister-says-josh-was-about-be-arrest/nHW4Z/

Ransom
02-08-2012, 02:54 PM
I cannot find anything today on if LE searched the storage locker?
Did they find anything? or nothing?
Absolutely nothing............it is a cliff hanger........

On Tuesday, investigators said Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a bank the day before the deadly blaze. Police from Utah and Washington also searched a storage unit tied to Josh Powell in Pierce County, Wash.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/07/district-attorney-missing-utah-mom-is-most-likely-dead/#ixzz1lp1e1dtC

21merc7
02-08-2012, 03:10 PM
In the wake of Josh Powell’s death, West Valley City police say they have received several new email tips about the case of missing woman Susan Cox Powell.

West Valley City Police Chief Thayle "Buzz" Nielsen, who spent Tuesday meeting with local law enforcement, said the information is "new stuff coming out." Officers are reviewing the tips to see if they yield any credible leads.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53470987-78/powell-josh-leaches-media.html.csp

HotLavaJavas
02-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Dr. Fessel is right - there was a big jurisdictional issue going on. With the murders of those sweet boys, now WA can actually do something, instead of just watching.

If the storage unit was not in SP's name, there is NO way that they could have searched it. And since JP wasn't charged with a crime, even if the WA LE knew about the storage unit, they couldn't search it.

Our constitution provides for a life free of unreasonable S/S. It has always been interpreted that until you've been accused or arrested for a crime, you have the right to refuse permission for a search. After arrest, of course, it's game on.

But an arrest is also a problem, because you need to be able to prove the likelihood of a crime, or have 'reasonable suspicion' that a crime has occurred or is occurring.

In other words, despite being court-ordered to take a psycho-sexual exam, and the kids being removed (due to SP's actions), and the alleged presence of photos on JP's computer, there was no reasonable suspicion that a crime had occurred or is occurring **in the jurisdiction** that JP lived in.

Further, LE is prevented from conducting "fishing" exercises, such as contacting all the storage units in the area and asking if JP has a unit. Kind of like LE running your plate for no reason - they're not allowed to. If LE catches you breaking a traffic law, they can run the plate...but not until. And because of the "No Fishing" rule, LE often doesn't have knowledge that something exists...

I can't leave off thinking that SP is talking (about the storage unit) to be able to get a deal with LE, and that this was likely a bit of info given to 'prove' SP's statements as valid; most deals include a phrase that if the information is baloney, the deal is a no-go. So it could very well be that SP said something, LE now can get a warrant, and this has all transpired in the last 24-48 hours.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this search...maybe nothing, maybe proof of Susan's murder, maybe just more circumstantial stuff.

All I know is that two boys are dead, and their mother is likely dead too, at the hands of at least one monster...and maybe the monsterDaddy is talking to save his behind...

This whole thing is utterly, totally horrible. And I think it will get worse before it gets better...and it will never get better. KWIM?

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Thank you, thank you, thank you for this.

I've been reading these messages, but I'm so upset that people bash LE because every facet of Josh's life wasn't picked over. I'm not defending him, but I will defend LE. We might think, and they might think, that Josh did it. But LE has to convince a judge to sign a warrant because everybody, even those accused (which he was not) have guaranteed constitutional rights.

I know this is a very hot button, upsetting issue...but we can't stoop to the level of a monster.

Isabelle
02-08-2012, 03:18 PM
Washington State would not be able to bring any charges, or arrest until something busted open in the case. If Susan was found in Utah, Washington State would arrest him and send him to Utah to be tried. If Susan was found in Washington, he would be arrested and tried there. It's not as if moving freed him of pending charges. Susan was simply never found, and there was not enough evidence (found of shared, I don't know if one or both) to force Washington State to get a search warrant for a storage locker.

When Susan's son drew a picture of the car and said mommy was in the trunk, an arrest should have been made in Washington State, since this is the state in which the drawing was done (if that is the case). <modsnip>

SilkySifaka
02-08-2012, 03:40 PM
When Susan's son drew a picture of the car and said mommy was in the trunk, an arrest should have been made in Washington State, since this is the state in which the drawing was done (if that is the case). <modsnip>.

I don't think they didn't care. I do think that the luxury of time, which they had before SP's arrest, disappeared and they didn't really note it. For two years they had time, the boys were with dad and he was happily living his life in control of it..feeling cocky because nothing was found.

In fact I don't think the kids were in danger during the majority of the time. Happy? no. nurtured and loved? no except as a possession, but not in direct danger.

As soon as Sp's arrest happened and DEFINITELY after Josh lost custody they were in mortal danger.

If LE was truly planning an arrest in a few weeks they made a big mistake. A natural one..they were used to the kids being at least ok and nothing really changing. Instead Josh went to pieces and it was obvious to me that the Cox's getting custody was a death sentence on the children. not saying Josh should have kept custody but LE should have talked to the prosecutors and judge and worked out a way to move the arrest time up and have it all occur at the same time.

I think there will be some real questioning of their own decisions on the part of those who planned the upcoming arrest if it is true. Why wait? Dads (and moms) kill their children when they lose custody, men and women kill those who are witnesses to a murder, here we have a situation where it is both. He lost control of the kids, from that moment on imo he was planning how to kill them. He probably tried to think of a way where he would stay alive but finally realized that was impossible.

Just wish they arrested on the day they planned an upcoming arrest and before Josh was able to do a thing about the boys living with the Cox's

21merc7
02-08-2012, 03:44 PM
I think there will be some real questioning of their own decisions on the part of those who planned the upcoming arrest if it is true. Why wait?


The better question is who leaked it? No one should have known as it was bound to get back to Josh and he was bound to flip out.

AnaTeresa
02-08-2012, 03:59 PM
When Susan's son drew a picture of the car and said mommy was in the trunk, an arrest should have been made in Washington State, since this is the state in which the drawing was done (if that is the case). <modsnip>.

A child's drawing is not probable cause. Child witnesses are problematic, particularly as time passes. LE needed more - would you rather they had arrested them and then let him go, because they didn't have a case? Once an arrest happens, the clock starts ticking. If the case isn't solid, the suspect walks free.

mamamia54
02-08-2012, 04:15 PM
A child's drawing is not probable cause. Child witnesses are problematic, particularly as time passes. LE needed more - would you rather they had arrested them and then let him go, because they didn't have a case? Once an arrest happens, the clock starts ticking. If the case isn't solid, the suspect walks free.

They have used child witnesses before in cases. What better witnesses could they possibly have when they said they were right there with mommy and daddy, that's first hand knowledge at that point. I know there could be a possibility the child was talking about something from the past, but this time I don't think I'd have taken that risk NOT to listen, their mother never came home.

CHERIE.T
02-08-2012, 04:24 PM
I'm torn about using children as witnesses, especially against their own parents. I guess it should be on an individual case basis.

imho

Jules71
02-08-2012, 04:25 PM
So perhaps JP withdrew the $7k from his bank account the day before the incident and put it in his storage. Then he sent an email to whomever telling them 'where they could find his money' <- wasn't that reported? And maybe that person came forward with the information about the storage facility. I am betting he didn't have automatic w/d's coming out of his account for the storage.

Wonder if he sent any physical mail - a key to the storage to anyone - SP, or other family member.

DLT88
02-08-2012, 04:26 PM
In the wake of Josh Powell’s death, West Valley City police say they have received several new email tips about the case of missing woman Susan Cox Powell.

West Valley City Police Chief Thayle "Buzz" Nielsen, who spent Tuesday meeting with local law enforcement, said the information is "new stuff coming out." Officers are reviewing the tips to see if they yield any credible leads.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53470987-78/powell-josh-leaches-media.html.csp

Could it be that people were afraid and intimidated by what JP would do to them if they spoke? I guess they should have been seeing what he did to his own two innocent gentle children.

KinderedSpirits
02-08-2012, 04:32 PM
I just see a whole lot of laws here that need changing. LE is just doing what they can WITHIN the laws, like it or not, thats how it is. Its up to us to get the laws changed and this case begs for a whole bunch of them to be changed:

Children who are POSSIBLE witnesses of a crime, and have already been removed from a home of a husband of their missing MOTHER, should not have to have visitiations with the father. PERIOD. Just in case. Rights be d@#$ed. Or visitiations only under armed supervision NOT in the home.

In order to find a missing person where foul play is believed to have occured, LE should be allowed to search whatever and wherever necessary. And the uncooperative behavior of the owner of the property should become part of the PC.

I know many people would say these would be huge violations of rights. I, frankly, am so ticked off and so sick of this that Im willing to give up some of my rights. I have nothing to hide!!

Thank you for your post. I feel the same way, and have said the same thing on various threads!!!

Dr. Know?
02-08-2012, 04:49 PM
I find reading the sisters search warrant interesting. They call her a suspect.

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
MT @fox13now: New docs: Warrants for #JoshPowell's $$ records http://bit.ly/zl1Ztu and sister's phone http://bit.ly/xPiLrJ #findsusan

RoseTree
02-08-2012, 04:49 PM
What a horrible, horrible situation. I think it's important to remember that laws exist to protect, but also give us freedoms. Unfortunately, things like this happen. I see a lot of error in practice, especially as a former CPS worker (2002-2004), and a person who works in the field of child welfare even today. The main one being that he never should have been able to visit at his own home.

I am really sad that no one was alerted when he withdrew the money or donated toys, I understand that they might not have known who he was, but it still makes me sad that this could have been prevented.

21merc7
02-08-2012, 05:29 PM
I find reading the sisters search warrant interesting. They call her a suspect.

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
MT @fox13now: New docs: Warrants for #JoshPowell's $$ records http://bit.ly/zl1Ztu and sister's phone http://bit.ly/xPiLrJ #findsusan

Hmmm, looks like she may get charged with felony obstruction. Good for them!

AnaTeresa
02-08-2012, 05:45 PM
They have used child witnesses before in cases. What better witnesses could they possibly have when they said they were right there with mommy and daddy, that's first hand knowledge at that point. I know there could be a possibility the child was talking about something from the past, but this time I don't think I'd have taken that risk NOT to listen, their mother never came home.

While child witnesses certainly can be used, the statement of a young child, some time after an event, made when in the custody of others against another party opposing custody - it's not going to hold water for probable cause to arrest. LE needs more to arrest. It may get you enough to search the car, but they would have needed more to arrest Powell. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback this, but if LE had jumped the gun, Powell would have walked. While what happened was a tragedy, people would have been howling if LE bungled the case by acting too soon.

cluciano63
02-08-2012, 06:10 PM
If Goodwill did not know who JP was when stuff was dropped off, how did they know so quickly after the deaths?

HotLavaJavas
02-08-2012, 06:19 PM
If Goodwill did not know who JP was when stuff was dropped off, how did they know so quickly after the deaths?

I imagine someone recognized him after his picture was all over the news. Donating toys isn't really suspect, so they probably thought nothing of it at the time.

Salem
02-08-2012, 06:32 PM
When Susan's son drew a picture of the car and said mommy was in the trunk, an arrest should have been made in Washington State, since this is the state in which the drawing was done (if that is the case). <modsnip>

I think it was very proactive of LE to do the search on the Powell house and find enough evidence to arrest SP and get the court to transfer custody of the boys to the Coxes. Without that search, those boys would have remained in that house.

I think LE did what they could, where they could. They didn't have enough to arrest JP but they knew the boys were in a bad place. As someone said earlier, parents have a constitutional right to their children. The court needed something more than a "gut-feeling" or "suspicion" to remove those boys.

Salem

krimekat
02-08-2012, 06:41 PM
I find reading the sisters search warrant interesting. They call her a suspect.

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
MT @fox13now: New docs: Warrants for #JoshPowell's $$ records http://bit.ly/zl1Ztu and sister's phone http://bit.ly/xPiLrJ #findsusan

I think all the Powells should be under investigation -- I mean, the Powells who stuck together . . .

MsFacetious
02-08-2012, 06:52 PM
I highly doubt Josh cared to help the Coxes with the expense whome he had to know would be in charge of burying the boys. Somehow I think he got it to his brother or sister, maybe for his dad.

They did announce the funeral will be at an LDS Ward Saturday.

Perhaps the money was for his OWN funeral expenses.
To make sure that HE had a good burial.
You know, to keep with the pattern that it is all about HIM. :twocents:

rbrnmw2
02-08-2012, 07:20 PM
Perhaps the money was for his OWN funeral expenses.
To make sure that HE had a good burial.
You know, to keep with the pattern that it is all about HIM. :twocents:

OMG I was thinking the same!! he doesn't deserve a descent burial Susan didn't get one

SilkySifaka
02-08-2012, 07:24 PM
On Tuesday, investigators said Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a bank the day before the deadly blaze. Police from Utah and Washington also searched a storage unit tied to Josh Powell in Pierce County, Wash.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/07/district-attorney-missing-utah-mom-is-most-likely-dead/#ixzz1lp1e1dtC


I saw in a press interview Troyer said nothing big was found, no smoking gun that would help with the cases, they took a few things to see if they mihgt turn into something but otherwise a bust.

eta. otherwise a bust were my words lol

Herding Cats
02-08-2012, 07:52 PM
I read through the S/W for the bank records, and noted that it was the bank teller who called the Det/Srg. with info that JP had gone to the bank and had withdrawn 7K on Saturday.

I think that a lot of folks who didn't know who JP was before he did this, recognized him afterwards, and made some calls to their PD, and the PD is working all their leads as hard as they can.

As for the sister, I do hope we see some charges come from this; not in a retaliatory sense, but because even though she loved her brother, she still had an obligation to LE when they came to her and wanted to see things. Unless there was something to hide, there is NO reason to not give over the data the detectives were requesting.

It will be interesting to see where the 7K ended up.

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believe09
02-08-2012, 08:37 PM
I read through the S/W for the bank records, and noted that it was the bank teller who called the Det/Srg. with info that JP had gone to the bank and had withdrawn 7K on Saturday.

I think that a lot of folks who didn't know who JP was before he did this, recognized him afterwards, and made some calls to their PD, and the PD is working all their leads as hard as they can.

As for the sister, I do hope we see some charges come from this; not in a retaliatory sense, but because even though she loved her brother, she still had an obligation to LE when they came to her and wanted to see things. Unless there was something to hide, there is NO reason to not give over the data the detectives were requesting.

It will be interesting to see where the 7K ended up.

Best-
Herding Cats

I understand this position to a certain point, but not only did she love her brother she actively protected him along with the rest of his family. For the most part. Unless LE had a subpoena, she wasnt obligated to turn anything over.

They, the Powells, appreared to have viewed LE and the media and the general public in the same fashion...that everyone was looking for a lynching.

We encounter the families of perps in every case here-we all believe we know what the right choice would be. But when push comes to shove, I wonder what all of us would really do.

Josh shouldnt have killed Susan and the boys. Josh should have copped to it after he killed Susan. His dad should have admitted to harrassing Susan, and everyone should have turned Steve in for his activities....kwim?

LE rarely rarely follows through on obstruction or perjury charges especially when it comes to family.

I dont know if they would see this differently. What a mess. :(

believe09
02-08-2012, 08:40 PM
Perhaps the money was for his OWN funeral expenses.
To make sure that HE had a good burial.
You know, to keep with the pattern that it is all about HIM. :twocents:

That is a really interesting idea!

Softail
02-08-2012, 08:42 PM
Sheesh! What was the hurry? <insert sarcastic snark here>. This makes me sick, that just now after the boys are gone, they are going to consider Susan's case a murder? Something is wrong!

SmoothOperator
02-08-2012, 09:33 PM
Who is Maurice, and Patty Leach?.. Has I thought the other Powell sister was Alina?
Jennifer's husband Kirk Graves weighed in on accusations from Steve Powell's sister and brother-in-law in Washington. In a family statement, Maurice and Patti Leach allege the Powell "family tragedy was set into motion from the begining due in part to the various questionable government agencies' practices, religious bias, the internet kangaraoo courts, and sensationalized news media." Kirk Graves says Josh's family wants to blame someone, but they refuse to blame Josh. "They're the ones who allow themselves to be blinded by Josh's lies and refuse to see the truth."

Jennifer's husband Kirk Graves weighed in on accusations from Steve Powell's sister and brother-in-law in Washington. In a family statement, Maurice and Patti Leach allege the Powell "family tragedy was set into motion from the begining due in part to the various questionable government agencies' practices, religious bias, the internet kangaraoo courts, and sensationalized news media." Kirk Graves says Josh's family wants to blame someone, but they refuse to blame Josh. "They're the ones who allow themselves to be blinded by Josh's lies and refuse to see the truth."

Dr.Fessel
02-08-2012, 10:20 PM
It is really time for the WVPD to open up the case and tell what evidence they had, not only in helping find Susan but to explain some of their unusual actions.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19162751

PUYALLUP, Wash. — An attorney for the parents of missing Utah woman Susan Cox Powell say police enlisted them to "ruffle the feathers of Josh Powell" throughout their investigation.

One such instance involved an August honk-and-wave that was staged in the neighborhood where Josh Powell was living with his father, Steven Powell. Chuck Cox was standing on a street corner holding a sign with his missing daughter's picture to draw attention to her case. Reporters were present when Steven Powell approached him and the two got into a tense argument.

The incident pushed Josh Powell to file a restraining order against the Coxes. A judge later ordered Chuck Cox and Josh Powell to stay at least 500 feet away from each other at all times.

"Obviously it was a bit odd for all of us to be taking a number of directions from West Valley City police on a number of things they wanted done," Steve Downing, attorney for Chuck and Judy Cox, said Wednesday.

uvamerica
02-08-2012, 10:55 PM
I'll bet Josh left instructions to have him and the boys buried together, hence the 7grand being taken out of the bank. He would be that selfish to think he would be buried with his boys. He was wrong ! jmo

dovebar
02-09-2012, 01:56 AM
Given how demented that statement was from the Powell relatives, I hope that DFS is watching out for their children too. This is a family that thinks blowing up children is a viable alternative against "kangaroo courts"?

Dear Powells, blowing up kids is never okay. Joshie apparently had a job, a house, and a car, and if he didn't want to get bad email, he could have changed his account or logged off. What a narcissist, and what a bizarre and sad clan.

Jacie Estes
02-09-2012, 09:10 PM
Perhaps the money was for his OWN funeral expenses.
To make sure that HE had a good burial.
You know, to keep with the pattern that it is all about HIM. :twocents:

In 2006 my mother's funeral was more than twice that, how good a funeral can 7k buy? A really BIG Hefty bag?

passionflower
02-10-2012, 04:48 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/
looks like junk in storage unit..........but a PINK comforter being tested

doubt
02-10-2012, 04:54 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-blood-found-on-comforter-in-powells-storage-unit-20120210,0,4871467.story

blood on blanket in storage unit?

strawberry
02-10-2012, 04:57 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-blood-found-on-comforter-in-powells-storage-unit-20120210,0,4871467.story

blood on blanket in storage unit?

I must have said WHY a million times this week but I'll say it again..why was this storage unit not searched before this? :maddening:

21merc7
02-10-2012, 05:00 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-blood-found-on-comforter-in-powells-storage-unit-20120210,0,4871467.story

blood on blanket in storage unit?

It says initially tested positive for blood, so, yes, blood. Guess they will run DNA tests on it now. I would guess they may find it is Susan's, I hope not the boys. Perhaps SP and the family will be getting some lengthy visits at the interrogation room soon.

Dr.Fessel
02-10-2012, 05:01 PM
SUMNER —
A search of Josh Powell’s storage unit has uncovered a comforter that has initially tested positive for blood. Investigators will conduct further testing to determine the source of the blood.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-blood-found-on-comforter-in-powells-storage-unit-20120210,0,4871467.story

passionflower
02-10-2012, 05:02 PM
DNA should tell how much blood, who's blood, what kind? like nose bleed? mommies ouchie? OMG and WHY would anyone keep a soiled comforter and pay storage for junk?
I hope answers are there as LE studies the stuff.

Dr.Fessel
02-10-2012, 05:05 PM
DNA should tell how much blood, who's blood, what kind? like nose bleed? mommies ouchie? OMG and WHY would anyone keep a soiled comforter and pay storage for junk?
I hope answers are there as LE studies the stuff. If this blood is from Susan how would it have got passed the first searches of the home in Utah? Did Josh have a storage unit in Utah that LE did not know about?

strawberry
02-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO
Blood on a comforter on blanket found in #joshpowell storage bin. Not clear whose. Small stain.

21merc7
02-10-2012, 05:09 PM
DNA should tell how much blood, who's blood, what kind? like nose bleed? mommies ouchie? OMG and WHY would anyone keep a soiled comforter and pay storage for junk?
I hope answers are there as LE studies the stuff.

That's what I don't get, it sounds like junk. Stuff you would toss out.

However, the article did say items not being tested were returned to the Cox's. So maybe there were family photos and things as such, perhaps baby's first toys, IDK. Why pay for storage when he did not have any job for a while? Oh wait, this was SP's storage wasn't it? I'm getting confused.

nursebeeme
02-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Police have found a blood-stained comforter in a storage unit belonging to Josh Powell, according to documents obtained Friday by KOMO News.

The discovery of the stained comforter was the latest development in the investigation after Powell killed himself and his two young sons in a deliberately set house fire on Sunday.

According to a search warrant document obtained by KOMO News, the green-blue-and-pink comforter was found in a storage unit that Josh Powell had rented in the Tacoma area.

A stain was found on the comforter that tested positive for blood. Further tests will be conducted to see if it can be determined whose blood it is.http://www.katu.com/news/local/Stained-comforter-in-Powell-storage-unit-to-be-tested-for-blood-139117619.html

karen7868
02-10-2012, 05:36 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/
looks like junk in storage unit..........but a PINK comforter being tested

I think he kept the hatchet there and that was the reason for his visit to the unit on the prior day.

They showed a picture today on Dr. Phil of JP and Susan and JP is standing with an axe. I know an axe has a longer handle than a hatchet. Perhaps he had shortened the handle.

I really thought they would find lock boxes in the storage unit with the cash in it.

Now, I think Alina got the money; which if she did, she knew he was going to do something.

Isabelle
02-10-2012, 07:13 PM
Not sure if this is the right forum, but was anything released regarding the emails sent to Alina and information in her phone?

DLT88
02-10-2012, 07:23 PM
If this blood is from Susan how would it have got passed the first searches of the home in Utah? Did Josh have a storage unit in Utah that LE did not know about?

Hmmm....maybe Susan's body was still in the comforter somewhere when they searched that house. I hope they don't take forever testing this comforter. And I would hope they can tell the approx. age of the blood and, of course, whose it is. I have to think it's suspicious since the blood-stained comforter was not washed but was put in storage.

And, like someone else said, with no money, why pay for storage? I'm sure he could have stored stuff at SP's house somewhere if he wanted to. But if it wasn't meant to be found in a search......but.....why not try and get rid of that comforter before now...unless he's the kind of murdered that likes to keep 'souvenirs'...

DLT88
02-10-2012, 07:29 PM
Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO
Blood on a comforter on blanket found in #joshpowell storage bin. Not clear whose. Small stain.

I wonder how small.

DLT88
02-10-2012, 07:31 PM
OMG I was thinking the same!! he doesn't deserve a descent burial Susan didn't get one

RIGHT! That money should go to the Cox's or to a battered women and children's shelter.

utmomof2
02-11-2012, 01:09 PM
Sorry, I can't remember the specifics, but a few months back JP & SP were threatening to publish Susan's journals to disparage her character. Did the Cox family ever get Susan's journals back from the Powells? I wonder what else of hers could still possibly be in SP's house. I am glad that the police returned most of the belongings of the storage unit to Susan's family. My guess is that JP would have never returned her personal belongs to them willingly.

HMSHood
02-11-2012, 05:41 PM
I don't understand why Josh Powell killed his own kids. Why don't he just kill himself before he killed his own kids? He clearly is sick in his head. I think he is hiding something in regards to Susan Powell.

Karen Anne RN
02-12-2012, 11:55 PM
The news report I read said that the money Josh withdrew from his bank account was deposited into a relative's account; his sister Alina.

Powell’s salary was in the range of $40,000 to the $60,000's at a small software company.

He was hired last year, as a computer software programmer, and his boss said he was a good employee. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment/53474647-78/wadagnolo-powell-business-josh.html.csp

http://tiny.cc/v783m

MsFacetious
02-13-2012, 01:02 AM
In 2006 my mother's funeral was more than twice that, how good a funeral can 7k buy? A really BIG Hefty bag?

Who is going to come to Josh Powell's funeral?
How good of a funeral does he NEED?

But, that aside... he also transferred "thousands more" to his sister, in addition to the money he pulled out of the bank...
So there is MORE than $7,000. (If nothing has changed anyway.)

CHERIE.T
02-13-2012, 04:08 PM
Who is going to come to Josh Powell's funeral?
How good of a funeral does he NEED?

But, that aside... he also transferred "thousands more" to his sister, in addition to the money he pulled out of the bank...
So there is MORE than $7,000. (If nothing has changed anyway.)

IMho he doesn't need a funeral. I hope he's with Satan suffering in heat.

passionflower
02-13-2012, 04:51 PM
Has jp been buried yet? or is he still held by coronor?
why do we hear nothing about it?

mamamia54
02-13-2012, 06:10 PM
Has jp been buried yet? or is he still held by coronor?
why do we hear nothing about it?

They haven't released any info on Josh Powell's body, if it was him, if it wasn't him, if they are still holding the body, and if so why? Who is suppose to claim him, his parents? I would think so, or his other family, brother, sisters, etc. What are they doing with him?

Kimster
02-13-2012, 06:15 PM
Hey peeps, lets stay on topic in here. I'm moving the landfill comments to the landfill thread. As for the other OT stuff, if you want to open a thread about something and there's not a thread about it yet, feel free to start a new one. This one is about the murder investigation. :tyou: