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Woe.be.gone
04-21-2012, 06:31 PM
It's hard to stomach this guy - break it down -

'"Throughout this whole mess,
------------ this whole disaster of me loosing my wife,
-------------------------------------Jane was a wonderful person,
----------------------------------------------we have fully cooperated.
We continue to do so. This is another example of that." Bashara told reporters Friday as . . .'


1. Who is 'we'?
2. What choice does he have but to cooperate?
3. I'm suspicious of peeps who use the word 'cordial' - lol!
4. What a creep.
5. Take the 'me' out of his statement and you get, 'Throughout this whole mess, Jane was a wonderful person.'
6. Jane's dead, you __________(don't want to get banned).
7. He thinks he should be running the show but he's reluctantly cooperating anyway.

Woe.be.gone
04-21-2012, 06:35 PM
He ends with, "Have a great day, go Tigers." :what: He's a sociopath - I'm sure of it.

nursebeeme
04-22-2012, 08:28 PM
bumping up to the top for Jane (and justice for Jane!)

atthelake
04-24-2012, 02:00 AM
Thanks for telling me, eh! :D

While some parts of Michigan - particularly the Upper Peninsula - extend quite a ways west, the entire state is in the Eastern Time Zone with seven months of Daylight Savings Time.

Went to trivia tonight, and got a question right due to this posting!!!!! Didn't win, but I looked intelligent in that I knew that Detroit was on Eastern, and EVERYONE else said Central time..!

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 02:10 AM
Additional pictures of Hard Luck Lounge, and around front and back of the building, including those video cameras:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3210/clipboard02ru.jpg

The rest are under the Spoiler: (below)


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7112/clipboard02zd.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3104/clipboard01pi.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3431/clipboard02ra.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1549/clipboard03lx.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3702/clipboard04hp.jpg

Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours: :D

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago)

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...

P.S.
His ad contains bunch of spelling errors including the one seen above (re: liscense) :)

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 02:19 AM
If the adjacent basement space (also known as Sex Dungeon), formerly occupied by Bob Bashara (also known as Master Bob) could be included as a Bonus... We got a deal, Bobby! :laugh:

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atthelake
04-24-2012, 02:19 AM
bumping up to the top for Jane (and justice for Jane!)

:bump:

What is interesting to me, is my *signature* on legal documents is MUCH different than the *scrawl* I do on ....for instance....... credit cards at the grocery store electronic or a credit card receipt. I only do my *real* siggy on cards, letters, checks, legal........but the others.......it's just a swishy and I don't see that looking anything like the other. :waitasec:

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours: :D

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago)

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...

P.S.
His ad contains bunch of spelling errors including the one seen above (re: liscense) :)
Looks like Bobby is "spreading his wings" somewhat... posted same type of an Ad at two other sites (one back on April 9, 2012 even) :)

http://michigan.freeshopperads.com/commercial/1995-double-store-front-for-officelounge-mack-ave-grosse-pointe-park-map.html

http://www.listown.com/parking-storage/dt/201204/228518.htm

Same spelling mistakes :D

stilettos
04-24-2012, 02:42 PM
Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours: :D

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago)

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...

P.S.
His ad contains bunch of spelling errors including the one seen above (re: liscense) :)

All I have to say is: 'What a dump'....

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 02:50 PM
Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours: :D

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago)

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...
If the adjacent basement space (also known as Sex Dungeon, formerly occupied by Bob Bashara (also known as Master Bob) could be included as a Bonus... We got a deal, Bobby! :lol:

I like the reply by Copzkid elsewhere on the net:



I called the number, Dungeon is included, toys are extra. Bob said "I am innocent, Go Tigers". I guess our work here... is done.

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 04:09 PM
HAHA... - firstly i thought maybe it was Bobby ... until i read the details :rolleyes:

Grosse Pointe Woods Police Subdue Naked Man with Taser on Mack Avenue

http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/273x203/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/5cfbe02b1176ccc91899fc34dc531494

The details are HERE: http://stclairshores.patch.com/articles/woods-police-subdue-man-wih-taser-on-mack-ave

BetteDavisEyes
04-24-2012, 05:09 PM
All I have to say is: 'What a dump'....

Hey! That's my line :D Waving my cigarette, flashing my Bette Davis eyes, and over-articulating each consonant ;)

BetteDavisEyes
04-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Looks like Bobby is "spreading his wings" somewhat... posted same type of an Ad at two other sites (one back on April 9, 2012 even) :)

http://michigan.freeshopperads.com/commercial/1995-double-store-front-for-officelounge-mack-ave-grosse-pointe-park-map.html

http://www.listown.com/parking-storage/dt/201204/228518.htm

Same spelling mistakes :D

Methinks that BB needs some dough to pay his high-priced attorney. The Griem Reaper doesn't come cheap. :moo:

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 06:10 PM
If you go to Ebay.com and enter Bashara (in Search box there) ... - you ll see many nice photos for sale of Bob's father and grandfather - George Bashara Jr. and Sr. ;)

P.S. All around $20 range also :D

HERE are some actually:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Press-Photo-George-Suzanne-Bashara-Socialites-/280863235029?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item4164c0dbd5#ht_2766wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Press-Photo-George-Bashara-group-co-operation-/261001377777?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cc4e4f7f1#ht_3368wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Press-Photo-George-Bashara-/251037623453?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a7302249d#ht_3150wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Press-Photo-George-Bashara-Jr-Attorney-/260979967717?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cc39e46e5#ht_2710wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Press-Photo-GEORGE-BASHARA-WSU-/251035552875?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a72e28c6b#ht_3111wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Press-Photo-George-N-Bashara-Court-Appeals-/251036874553?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a72f6b739#ht_3425wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-George-N-Bashara-Poses-For-Headshots-/260820597789?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cba1e7c1d#ht_3808wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-George-N-Bashara-Poses-For-Headshots-/260820597769?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cba1e7c09#ht_3808wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Press-Photo-Attorney-George-Bashara-Jr-/251021607521?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a720dc261#ht_2744wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Press-Photo-George-Bashara-M-Coleman-Ira-Kaufman-/260941847062?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cc1589a16#ht_2809wt_1163


Bob's dad looks a lot like Bob ... just a much better guy all around.

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Couple of new Bob dad's photos are added over at Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Press-Photo-Attorney-George-Bashara-Jr-/261006232214?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cc52f0a96#ht_2744wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Press-Photo-George-N-Bashara-president-Detroit-/251043642735?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a735dfd6f#ht_2591wt_1163

Darkman00
04-24-2012, 06:28 PM
Bob Bashara, the Landlord (vs. trash...) ( Source: http://digitize.gp.lib.mi.us/digitize/newspapers/gpnews/1995-99/99/1999-08-26.pdf )

... or here is the entire article from page 3-A, Grosse Pointe News, August 26, 1999 in JPG format: (click on Spoiler below to view)


http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3190/bobtenantlandlordaugust.jpg
It's NOT Bob, on the photo there, by the way..... :floorlaugh:
The photo under above Spoiler "died" for some reason, so below is it's replacement: (also under Spoiler)


http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4916/basharatrash.jpg

BetteDavisEyes
04-24-2012, 11:44 PM
Need some :floorlaugh: ? Check out the comments below article ;)

Drivers spot naked man running through Grosse Pointe Woods; police say man was high on meth

Man bares all in run near Mack Avenue, Lochmoor Boulevard in Grosse Pointe Woods with police in pursuit

Author: Mara MacDonald, Local 4 Reporter

Published On: Apr 24 2012 10:56:42 PM EDT Updated On: Apr 24 2012 11:03:14 PM EDT

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Drivers-spot-naked-man-running-through-Grosse-Pointe-Woods-police-say-man-was-high-on-meth/-/1719418/11804914/-/y0x5en/-/index.html

Darkman00
04-25-2012, 12:16 AM
Ya... I was going to joke earlier on, when posted that article above .. - that he went to Bob's dungeon .. but found it to be no longer in operation, closed down.. and after that he went "Lonnie tunes" :D

.. but then, for some reason, decided not to joke :)

BetteDavisEyes
04-25-2012, 07:50 PM
Man caught on camera running naked through Grosse Pointe Woods won't face charges

Livonia man says he was high on meth, paranoid when he was running through Grosse Pointe Woods

Published On: Apr 25 2012 06:40:20 PM EDT Updated On: Apr 25 2012 07:05:12 PM EDT

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Man-caught-on-camera-running-naked-through-Grosse-Pointe-Woods-won-t-face-charges/-/1719418/11866374/-/xywgwuz/-/index.html

Darkman00
04-25-2012, 08:47 PM
He didn't mean any harm ... lol :)

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 11:53 AM
Hopefully he won't end being Bobby's Judge:

Complaint Filed against Judge Accused of Sending Shirtless Photo to Bailiff

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/complaint-filed-against-judge-accused-of-sending-shirtless-photo-to-bailiff-20120425-ms

Detroit Judge In Hot Water For ‘Sexting’ Photo To Coworker

http://wycd.cbslocal.com/2012/04/25/detroit-judge-in-hot-water-for-sexting-photo-to-coworker/

... etc ...

Is "Blue Moon" out in Michigan?

One is on glue running naked on Mack Avenue....

The other one is a judge, undressing and "sexting"....

Maybe.. - all are Bobby's people from good old days... down there .. in the Dungeon :D

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 04:54 PM
Pillar Bobby:

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230246.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230263.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230267.jpg

Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/itemsfromhome/districtrecognitions10.html

(maybe there are more of them there... i didn't really look around that much) :D

BetteDavisEyes
04-26-2012, 05:04 PM
Just received this email alert from WDIV - new developments in Bashara case:

==============================
ClickOnDetroit.com Breaking News
==============================

New developments in Basahara murder investigation

The Local 4 Defenders have learned of new developments ...

MORE DETAILS: http://www.clickondetroit.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html

angelindisguyz
04-26-2012, 05:07 PM
Bob Bashara served personal protection order from Rachel



http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-served-personal-protection-order-from-alleged-mistress/-/1719314/12017456/-/vi71oqz/-/index.html


In that clip, it was stated that she never knew he was married until JB's murder was on the news. HTH do you have a relationship for 3 years and have no idea someone is married!?!

stilettos
04-26-2012, 05:08 PM
Just received this email alert from WDIV - new developments in Bashara case:

==============================
ClickOnDetroit.com Breaking News
==============================

New developments in Basahara murder investigation

The Local 4 Defenders have learned of new developments ...

MORE DETAILS: http://www.clickondetroit.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html

***clicked on link - link not found.

Help me out here Bette?

stilettos
04-26-2012, 05:09 PM
Bob Bashara served personal protection order from Rachel



http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-served-personal-protection-order-from-alleged-mistress/-/1719314/12017456/-/vi71oqz/-/index.html


In that clip, it was stated that she never knew he was married until JB's murder was on the news. HTH do you have a relationship for 3 years and have no idea someone is married!?!

HaHaHaHa - a sub serving her Master with a PPO. :floorlaugh: Really just :floorlaugh:

angelindisguyz
04-26-2012, 05:15 PM
Is "Blue Moon" out in Michigan?

One is on glue running naked on Mack Avenue....

The other one is a judge, undressing and "sexting"....

Maybe.. - all are Bobby's people from good old days... down there .. in the Dungeon :D

LMAO!!! I heard about the judge but don't know why he sent that to her? What a Ding Dong (no pun intended). :innocent:

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 05:23 PM
Pillar Bobby:

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230246.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230263.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/DisCon_Awards/2/P1230267.jpg

Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/itemsfromhome/districtrecognitions10.html

(maybe there are more of them there... i didn't really look around that much) :D

forgot to mention ... Past over at Hinky said: "...he (Bob) slammed his finger in a door and ended up losing the tip of the finger..."

You can see in couple of those pics (above) that tip of the finger is missing...

It happened back in College .. and his father, a judge, threatened to sue etc.. so they "calmed it down" with nice settlement for Bob ... Hie used that money to buy some real estate later etc....

p.s.
Will go read "New news" now... Thanks ... I am somewhat behind today, lol :)

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 06:07 PM
Just received this email alert from WDIV - new developments in Bashara case:

==============================
ClickOnDetroit.com Breaking News
==============================

New developments in Basahara murder investigation

The Local 4 Defenders have learned of new developments ...

MORE DETAILS: http://www.clickondetroit.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html
HERE is correct link: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-served-personal-protection-order-from-alleged-mistress/-/1719314/12017456/-/vi71oqz/-/index.html

... and few details in case this article disappears from their site:

Bob Bashara served personal protection order from alleged mistress

Rachel Gillett files personal protection order against former reputed lover Bob Bashara

Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders

Published On: Apr 26 2012 04:51:51 PM EDT Updated On: Apr 26 2012 05:21:20 PM EDT

http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1204/4e/9d750de92af2t.jpg (http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1204/4e/9d750de92af2.jpg)

(Click on the pic above to Enlarge)

---- VIDEO & TEXT ----

DETROIT - Bob Bashara has been served a personal protection order from his alleged mistress.

Rachel Gillett's attorney said she is scared for her life.

Gillett wants Bob Bashara to stay away: No talking, no texting, no visiting or emailing.

"It's pretty much Rachel's way of telling the court, look, I'm afraid of this guy," said her attorney, Doraid Elder. Elder filed the petition for a personal protection order on Thursday.

"She's petrified. She just wants him to leave her alone and hasn't done that," Elder said.

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Darkman00
04-26-2012, 06:15 PM
Bob Bashara's mistress writes letter to judge

Rachel Gillett files personal protection order, tells judge she fears for her own safety

Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders
Published On: Apr 26 2012 06:03:38 PM EDT

http://www.clickondetroit.com/image/view/-/8604014/medRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/brsvfk/-/Bob-Bashara-and-woman-jpg.jpg

---- VIDEO & TEXT ----

Rachel Gillett wrote a letter to her local judge asking for a personal protection order against her reputed lover Bob Bashara.

READ: Rachel Gillett files personal protection order against Bob Bashara (http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/12019878/data/1/-/gvmlhm/-/Rachel-Gillett-files-PPO-against-Bob-Bashara.pdf)

"I'm very concerned about my safety," Gillett writes.

"I feel very bad for Rachel," said her attorney Doraid Elder. "She's really a victim of manipulation and lies."

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SOURCE: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-s-mistress-writes-letter-to-judge/-/1719314/12012456/-/10wyei3/-/index.html

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Darkman00
04-26-2012, 07:41 PM
Bob Bashara's former alleged mistress files protection order, lawyer says

6:00 PM, April 26, 2012

... David Griem, Bob Bashara’s attorney, said this afternoon that he hasn’t seen the filing, but was made aware of it when a member of the local media called.

During an interview with the Free Press in February, Bob Bashara, who was named a person of interest in his wife’s death after failing a polygraph examination, denied cheating on his wife.

In a later interview on “Good Morning America,” Bob Bashara said that he and his wife had a “very good, open relationship.”

Griem said, to his knowledge, Bob Bashara has not been in contact with his alleged former mistress, Rachel Gillett.

“I would be very disappointed if he has been in contact with Rachel Gillett,” Griem said, adding he has advised his client not to contact anyone. “So if he has been in contact with her, it’s directly in opposite to my directions to him.”

Asked whether he was surprised by the PPO, Griem said “shocked is a better word.”

Griem said he told Bob Bashara to accept service if someone attempts to serve him with the PPO.

“I can tell you that he will not be ducking service,” Griem said.

Jane Bashara’s family denounced the claim that she and her husband had an open relationship....


More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120426/NEWS02/120426055/Bob-Bashara-s-former-alleged-mistress-files-protection-order-lawyer-says

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Report: Alleged Bashara Mistress Wants Protection

April 26, 2012 5:54 PM

http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bob-bashara.jpg?w=1000

... Attorney David Grim said his client has not kept in touched with his former girlfriend.

“My client has not been in contact with her. We have not seen the proposed personal protection order,” Grim told WWJ Newsradio 950.

Grim said the woman, Rachel Gillette, may be reacting to information his office has developed.


“Our investigators have developed several persons of interest in our search for the truth,” said Grim. “I would indicate to you that Rachel Gillette is one of those persons of interest that we have developed.”

Grim added that he has seen no evidence that Gillette has grounds for a PPO.

“Anybody can walk in, make allegations and attempt to get a personal protection order,” he said....


More at the Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/26/report-alleged-bashara-mistress-wants-protection/

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 08:29 PM
April 26, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Woman romantically linked to Bashara files protection order against him

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News


... "Knowing Bob is a No. 1 suspect in his wife's murder, (Gillett) is petrified. He's not the same individual she thought she knew," Elder said. "She is a potential witness if she's called at a trial. If he is leading a double life they can't prove it without her testimony. If she's gone, Bob benefits from it."

Elder said Gillett and Bashara dated for several years, but the whole time, he claims, Bashara told Gillett that he and Jane had been separated and were divorcing. Within the last six months, Elder added, Bashara allegedly told Gillett that the divorce was final and at one point, they were shopping for homes together.

But Gillett attempted to end her contact with Bashara, after his wife's body was found Jan. 25 inside her SUV in an alley near Seven Mile in Detroit, Elder said.

Even so, Bashara allegedly continued to reach out to Gillett with anonymous phone calls and even placed a crucifix of palm leaves in her mailbox on Easter weekend and, on another occasion, left an envelope with his handwriting containing unspecified documents.


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...

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120426/METRO01/204260482#ixzz1tCCdRC3N

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
Bob Bashara served with a PPO filed on behalf of Rachel Gillett

Posted: 04/26/2012
Last Updated: 30 minutes ago

(WXYZ) - 7 Action News has learned that Bob Bashara has been served with a Personal Protection Order filed on behalf of his former girlfriend Rachel Gillett.

Bashara was served with the order Thursday evening....


Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/bob-bashara-served-with-a-ppo-filed-on-behalf-of-rachel-gillett#ixzz1tCKEY42H

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PPO document could be viewed there (at above link) in various sizes


PPO in PDF format was posted above also (few posts earlier) ... if the link at their site dies - HERE are alternative links to download that PDF:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.4shared.com/office/HVgwa4PR/Rachel-Gillett-files-PPO-again.html)

or:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.mediafire.com/?mwu0bf8rnd878hs)


... or view it directly HERE in JPG format: (under Spoiler below)


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3879/pdfpage1.jpg
or: http://s018.radikal.ru/i526/1204/85/9b36d282661d.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5554/pdfpage2.jpg
or: http://s019.radikal.ru/i612/1204/ad/0704de06f149.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7118/pdfpage3.jpg
or: http://s017.radikal.ru/i441/1204/32/703db9c65057.jpg

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7179/pdfpage4.jpg
or: http://s019.radikal.ru/i614/1204/be/3042fd9a2526.jpg

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Darkman00
04-26-2012, 10:49 PM
... Griem said he questions the timing of the order and Gillett’s motive, adding that he’s examining her role in the case. He said his understanding was that the communications were going in the other direction: Gillett contacting Bob Bashara.

Attorney Doraid Elder, who is representing Gillett, said he contacted Griem about Bashara’s attempts to reach his client. He said Griem “called back saying he was very grateful,” and that the efforts would stop.

Griem, though, said: “The conversations were to the effect that our two clients should not be having contact with each other with this ongoing criminal investigation and that both of us should warn our clients that they should not be talking to each other, texting each other, sending carrier pigeons back and forth.”...

However, Elder said the efforts by Bob Bashara continued after he spoke to Griem...

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Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20120426/NEWS02/120426055/Bob-Bashara-s-former-lover-files-protection-order-lawyer-says

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 11:02 PM
Bob Bashara's attorney says Rachel Gillett is person of interest after she files PPO against Bob

Gillett files personal protection order, tells judge she fears for her own safety

Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders

Published On: Apr 26 2012 06:03:38 PM EDT Updated On: Apr 26 2012 10:51:19 PM EDT

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DETROIT - Bob Bashara's attorney, David Griem, hasn’t seen the personal protection order yet, but says he questions Rachel Gillett’s credibility.

Griem said it appears she is following the old maxim: The best defense is a good offense.

"We've had investigators in our own search for the truth in this matter and I would indicate to you, in light of what she allegedly did today, that she has been one of our persons of interest in this investigation into the death of Jane Bashara," Griem said....

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From this Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-s-attorney-says-Rachel-Gillett-is-person-of-interest-after-she-files-PPO-against-Bob/-/1719314/12012456/-/a82kfuz/-/index.html


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Bob Bashara's alleged ex-girlfriend: I'm scared

Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120426/NEWS02/120426055/Bob-Bashara-s-alleged-ex-girlfriend-I-m-scared

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BetteDavisEyes
04-26-2012, 11:05 PM
HERE is correct link: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-served-personal-protection-order-from-alleged-mistress/-/1719314/12017456/-/vi71oqz/-/index.html

... and few details in case this article disappears from their site:

Bob Bashara served personal protection order from alleged mistress

Rachel Gillett files personal protection order against former reputed lover Bob Bashara

Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders

Published On: Apr 26 2012 04:51:51 PM EDT Updated On: Apr 26 2012 05:21:20 PM EDT

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DETROIT - Bob Bashara has been served a personal protection order from his alleged mistress.

Rachel Gillett's attorney said she is scared for her life.

Gillett wants Bob Bashara to stay away: No talking, no texting, no visiting or emailing.

"It's pretty much Rachel's way of telling the court, look, I'm afraid of this guy," said her attorney, Doraid Elder. Elder filed the petition for a personal protection order on Thursday.

"She's petrified. She just wants him to leave her alone and hasn't done that," Elder said.

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How is my link not CORRECT? It leads to the same article as yours :waitasec:

Darkman00
04-26-2012, 11:39 PM
Bashara girlfriend wants court order to keep him away

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com

http://www.macombdaily.com/storyimage/MD/20120426/NEWS02/120429578/AR/AR-120429578.jpg&MaxW=620&MaxH=330

... "If Rachel isn’t around, then that can be to Bob’s benefit and she’s petrified of this,” Elder told the TV station. Griem said both lawyers told their respective clients to avoid contact with each other. “If they have been in touch, it is contrary to what they were told,” he said. Griem said he hasn’t yet viewed the PPO, but added Gillett may be instituting a “best defense is a good offense” approach to possibly facing criminal charges. He said a team of private investigators he is working with including a retired FBI agent have been whittling down potential “people of interest” who could be suspects in Jane Bashara’s slaying. “In our search for the truth of what happened to Jane Bashara, Rachel Gillett is one of the persons of interest,” said Griem, adding he did not believe Bashara would ever harm Gillett. “She has a motive for what she did and that motive has nothing to do with a PPO or her perception of potential harm coming her way,” Griem added. Gillett did not respond to a request for comment left on her cellphone. The Macomb Daily reported in February that Gillett was fired from her job at Wayne State University after she left work on Jan. 25 — the day Jane Bashara’s body was discovered in a Detroit alley — and never returned. A number of reports have suggested Gillett and Bashara led a secret sex life in Detroit’s S&M underground scene and also traveled out of state together. Bashara has referred to her as a friend...

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Full Story: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120426/NEWS02/120429578/bashara-girlfriend-wants-court-order-to-keep-him-away&pager=full_story

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Some pics from today:

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Bob Bashara is served with PPO:
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Nice picture on the wall, David Griem... Did Bobby present you with the copy of his "Handwriting analysis"? :D
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Darkman00
04-26-2012, 11:43 PM
How is my link not CORRECT? It leads to the same article as yours :waitasec:
Nope ... the link in your post was / is messed up somehow. (in original post of yours on previous page .. and in my post the one that you quoted, the one where i quoted you)

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Darkman00
04-27-2012, 12:03 AM
Bashara's Former Mistress Files Restraining Order Against Him

Says She Fears He'll Hurt Her

Updated: Thursday, 26 Apr 2012, 11:36 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 26 Apr 2012, 11:36 PM EDT

Rachel Gillett, widely known as Bob Bashara's mistress, has filed a personal protection order against him, claiming she fears for her life. Bashara was seeing her during his marriage to Jane Bashara up until Jane's murder earlier this year. That's when Rachel says she broke it off. But it seems Bob can't take a hint. So what does this mean for the yet unsolved murder case? Fox 2's Ron Savage has the story.

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Click on VIDEO at the Source to view: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/bashara's-former-mistress-files-restraining-order-against-him

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Rachel's attorney's INFO - Doraid Elder is HERE:

http://www.lawyerratingz.com/ratings/3892/Lawyer+Doraid-Elder.html

Read some comments about him there, for example:

My brother was charged with Murder. Elder fought for him in trial. My brother is now a free man strictly because of Doraid Elder's aggressive representation. We thank the Lord we had Elder as our lawyer. If your in trouble or have some you care about. Then Elder is the only lawyer that has proven results. He's amazing at what he does.

angelindisguyz
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
Nice picture on the wall, David Griem... Did Bobby present you with the copy of his "Handwriting analysis"? LMAO!!!!

Good finds, Darkman!! Some interesting reading. Rachels neighbor didn't tell her for weeks that someone was banging her on her door and trying to enter her home? WTH?

Woe.be.gone
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Oh boy, I knew RG wouldn't just fade into the sunset. She's tap dancing now. BB's coming after her and wants to see her behind bars I bet. This should get interesting.

How could RG NOT have known, after five (not three) years of hooking up with BB while living in the same small community where Bob and Jane performed civic duties together, that Bob was a married man. If RG hadn't made that claim, I might have believed the part about her being afraid of him.

It's him against her now. :twocents:

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 12:34 AM
LMAO!!!!

Good finds, Darkman!! Some interesting reading. Rachels neighbor didn't tell her for weeks that someone was banging her on her door and trying to enter her home? WTH?
Not "someone" ... She looked out the window and saw Bob Bashara (banging) there. (It's under spoiler, in her letter to the judge).

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 01:30 AM
Some more of the same subject matter, basically......

April 27, 2012 at 1:00 am
Woman romantically linked to Bashara files protection order against him

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120427/METRO01/204270352#ixzz1tDP0e0Gc

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P.S. If what Rachel Gillett alleges is true, that Bob was harassing her, would not leave her alone etc --- Bob must be a total idiot, ... being POI in murder investigation, his attorney clearly telling him NOT to contact her or / and let himself be contacted by her, etc ... and he still does it ... --- BRAINLESS!!!

"He told her, 'Look, I know I shouldn't be doing this. I'm gonna get in trouble for it,'" Elder said.

Well .. Duh! :rolleyes:

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 01:43 AM
DH heard an interview with the Griem Reaper on WJR-760 Radio (Detroit) this morning, but there is no audio or text on the website. If someone comes across anything from the interview, please post it. Thanks.
"You ask .. and you SHALL receive" :please:

http://www.wjr.com/Sectional.asp?id=34612 (David Griem, under April 20) :)

BUT... However .. Our luck :banghead:

LOL .. OUT of all the link / podcasts ... this one is the ONLY one that is "down" / not working :(

I contacted them however, see if they will fix it - maybe contacted the wrong department however .. but will give them day or two.. and then will try to contact someone else (if it's still not tixed) .. hehe

Well, at least it's there now.. - so meant to be then .. sooner or later :D

angelindisguyz
04-27-2012, 08:21 AM
Not "someone" ... She looked out the window and saw Bob Bashara (banging) there. (It's under spoiler, in her letter to the judge).

Hmmm, he must be really hard up these days to find someone to play cat and mouse with so he may be desperate. He's also desperate to point the finger at someone else to get the heat off of himself, IMO.

Didn't they say she lost her job? From what I've read, I thought she heard about the murder while at work, got up and left and never came back?

BetteDavisEyes
04-27-2012, 09:12 AM
The link in my original post (#772) works fine for me. I don't know why others have problems with it. Maybe it's because it was included in an email alert to me from WDIV.

angelindisguyz
04-27-2012, 10:34 AM
The link in my original post (#772) works fine for me. I don't know why others have problems with it. Maybe it's because it was included in an email alert to me from WDIV.

When I click on that link it opens

http://natl.ibsys.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html

and is a blank page, if that helps you.

BetteDavisEyes
04-27-2012, 10:51 AM
All I can say is that I copied/pasted the link directly from the email sent to me by WDIV. The link opens for me every time I click on it.

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 11:03 AM
Didn't they say she lost her job? From what I've read, I thought she heard about the murder while at work, got up and left and never came back?
Yes. Correct.

The link in my original post (#772) works fine for me. I don't know why others have problems with it. Maybe it's because it was included in an email alert to me from WDIV.
OK .. It's like this: (lol, i just tried "this and that")

When click on it (on the link in that post) .. it doesn't open up .. and redirects one HERE, actually:
http://natl.ibsys.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html

But i just tried something else ... i "Copy/Paste" that link in that post of yours to the address line in a browser and tried it that way . and it DOES work "that" way! :)
This link of yours:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/tu/67dKSlkdt.html (but i bet if people click on it here in my post as well, it won't work and MAYBE will ONLY work for you, cuz has to do something with "you got it in your email" (and it ONLY works for you for some reasons, but not for others))) .. so one would need to C/P it and try it as i mentioned above .. then it will work .. cuz it will redirect one HERE:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/New-developments-in-Basahara-murder-investigation/-/1719314/12010276/-/3xa7wcz/-/index.html?treets=det&tml=det_break&ts=T&tmi=det_break_1_03480204262012 (to the proper place another words)

Regardless, however, if your link was a working one or not, i would probably still quoted your post and then would add few more details from that article in my post (as i did), because (and in noticed it already several times) ... those articles at some sites (as that Clickondetroit one, Detroit Free Press, etc) tend to disappear without a trace, unfortunately (after some while)

Just yesterday i was looking for an older article and photo in it (to see something) ... it was either from late January or early February (i forgot now already) .. and i DID find it (in Search box at the source) .. and then i Clicked on it .. and at the link it told me, LOL :banghead: "Unfortunately, the link you are trying to access is no longer available" ... - Hmmmm .. 2 or 3 months ... and .. some of them are totally gone (??) :(
That sucks then...
Or they remove some of them only .. i don't know..
BUT .. if that is the case at some sites.. - then if we simply put a link in our posts.. and then click on the link couple months later.. - Nothing there? :(
Hopefully it's only at some sites like that, and not at all sites.... but still..... -- that is why i like to see some details in the post (especially the important points of the article) ... this way, if the link at the Source is no longer - we STILL have those details here ... and the original source is still mentioned in the post ( if it doesn't work any longer, it's not our problem then, but theirs :D ).

This post had some important details in it etc.. was quite an important post actually (not sure now.. but maybe it even had a link to the PDF file at the source). I noticed later on, that Moderator "snipped" that post of mine for the reason given .. Oh well .. - at least i tried.

P.S. Not sure if it's such a big offense anyhow to post few more details from the article .. then just few words.. - i see it done all the time on the net... - after all, we DO provide the link to the original Source.... and if their link disappears after a while.. BUT we still have important details / paragraphs from it... - GOOD for us and TOO BAD for them )))))

Some forums that i visit .. for years C/P the entire articles in posts .. and NO PROBLEM.
The way i look at it .. if the Source is indicated .. and the original link to the Source is provided - it's not an offence.
Some Forums tend to take extra protection about this ... I understand.

But not that great (for everyone) - if after sometime click on the link for details and will find NOTHING is there at the source any longer .. and no details in the Forum's post either .. That sucks :banghead: LOL

BetteDavisEyes
04-27-2012, 11:05 AM
I just clicked on both links in above post by Darkman, and both open to the exact same page. End of story.

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 11:19 AM
I just clicked on both links in above post by Darkman, and both open to the exact same page. End of story.
BetteDavisEyes....... :)

LOL, It's because the link sees your BetterDavis' eyes (as you put it sometimes)

Just joking .. but one more time .. - your original link works for you (if you click on it) .. - has something to do with "you got it via email" .. and it's in your browsers' memory .. maybe some cookie etc .. but for others, if they simply CLICK on it - it doesn't work .. it doesn't redirect them to the Source.

So better to indicate the link at the Source than the link in email(s) .. - this way, for sure, if click on the link, it will put one to the proper place..

As i said, the original link of yours ONLY works for us, if we Copy it and then Paste it to the Address line in the browser ..and then hit Enter ...
By just clicking on that link - for us it's a "no go"

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 11:28 AM
"You ask .. and you SHALL receive" :please:

http://www.wjr.com/Sectional.asp?id=34612 (David Griem, under April 20) :)

BUT... However .. Our luck :banghead:

LOL .. OUT of all the link / podcasts ... this one is the ONLY one that is "down" / not working :(

I contacted them however, see if they will fix it - maybe contacted the wrong department however .. but will give them day or two.. and then will try to contact someone else (if it's still not tixed) .. hehe

Well, at least it's there now.. - so meant to be then .. sooner or later :D
To the better news now, LOL

I just refreshed my page HERE: http://www.wjr.com/Sectional.asp?id=34612 (the link mentioned above)

and David Griem's April 20 broadcast is still there .. so i clicked on it .. and audio WORKS! :woohoo:

HERE:

http://wjrpodcasts.com/podcasts/paulwsmith/Griem-042712.mp3 (11:03)

or HERE:

http://www.wjr.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=34612&ID=2441185 (11:03)

(but as you can see in a link's address it's a NEW audio, from 042712 .. and SURE THING .. - started to listen to it (will listen to the whole thing now actually) .. and it's from TODAY .. i guess Griem called them again)) :)

So it should be even better interview more likely (cuz more happened since then)... So that's the GOOD news :)

About the actual April 20 interview with Griem .. i emailed (again) their Webmaster this time, last night .. so should check my email.. maybe they replied..

but for now, what they did lol.. - they stuck 042712 link to the place where 042012 link should be located :waitasec:

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TallCoolOne
04-27-2012, 11:43 AM
Hmmm..... does this mean things are going to be heating up in the near future????

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 11:56 AM
TallCoolOne,

Would be logical to assume :)

It was kinda slow lately ... maybe "calm before the storm". By popular believe / rumors, LE is waiting till Joe Gentz court hearing on May 4, 2012 .. to see about his "mental evaluation" examination results (to see if he is competent etc) ... then they might cut a deal with him .. a deal "to testify against Bob" etc.. and then they might charge Bob.

That's what people had been saying anyhow ... for a while now.

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 01:24 PM
That Daily Mail UK updated their Bashara thingy with "new info"

'It could happen to me': Terrified mistress files restraining order against Bob Bashara as his wife's brutal murder remains a mystery

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 16:51 GMT, 27 April 2012


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136223/It-happen-Terrified-mistress-files-restraining-order-Bob-Bashara-wifes-brutal-murder-remains-mystery.html#ixzz1tGL4zOak

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 01:48 PM
Well... - they posted new April 27, 2012 podcast now (separately) .. but April 20, 2012 podcast is still messed up (it's link for now goes to April 27, 2012 podcast as well)

WJR 760 AM

Paul W. Smith Podcasts - April 27 - http://www.wjr.com/Sectional.asp?id=34612

David Griem

(April 27) - David Griem, Bob Bashara's defense attorney tells Paul W. Smith, Bashara's girlfriend, Rachel Gillett should be considered a person of interest in the Jane Bashara murder case.

Listen - http://wjrpodcasts.com/podcasts/paulwsmith/Griem-042712.mp3 (11:03)

or download it HERE - http://www.wjr.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=34612&ID=2441185 (11:03)

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It's pretty good!

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Darkman00
04-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Bashara's Alleged Mistress Gets PPO

By Kila Peeples

April 27, 2012

Grosse Pointe Farms, MI (My TV20 News at 10) -- Rachel Gillett, the alleged former lover of Bob Bashara, the husband of murdered marketing exec Jane Bashara and the main person of interest in her death, was granted a personal protection.

Gillett says Bashara has been calling, writing her letters and stopping by her home unannounced. She claims she fears for her life and she does not want him to have any contact with her.

Tune in tonight at 10 to hear a response to the PPO from Bashara's attorney.

http://www.tv20detroit.com/news/local/Basharas-Alleged-Mistress-Gets-PPO--149268595.html

Darkman00
04-27-2012, 06:06 PM
PPO Request Released in Bashara Case

Updated: Friday, 27 Apr 2012, 5:42 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 27 Apr 2012, 5:41 PM EDT

Amy Lange

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It's a murder mystery that keeps getting more bizarre. The PPO against Bob Bashara and what happens now that his former lover has filed it...

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More at the Source: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/amy_lange/ppo-request-released-in-bashara-case

Woe.be.gone
04-28-2012, 02:44 AM
Well... - they posted new April 27, 2012 podcast now (separately) .. but April 20, 2012 podcast is still messed up (it's link for now goes to April 27, 2012 podcast as well)

WJR 760 AM

Paul W. Smith Podcasts - April 27 - http://www.wjr.com/Sectional.asp?id=34612

David Griem

(April 27) - David Griem, Bob Bashara's defense attorney tells Paul W. Smith, Bashara's girlfriend, Rachel Gillett should be considered a person of interest in the Jane Bashara murder case.

Listen - http://wjrpodcasts.com/podcasts/paulwsmith/Griem-042712.mp3 (11:03)

or download it HERE - http://www.wjr.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=34612&ID=2441185 (11:03)

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It's pretty good!

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What I should have said before, is the reason RG is afraid of BB is because he's going to implicate her as the person who arranged to have Jane killed. RG is now preparing her damsel in distress saga - she's positioning herself for her counter attack with the help of her lawyer. I believe it's known as 'posturing'.

I knew this was coming - they'd better air this trial on InSession. It's a little early because BB hasn't been charged yet but the
charges will be coming soon. Then it's going to become a 'he said, she said' situation with what JG says inbetween.

Darkman00
04-28-2012, 02:58 AM
Someone wrote quite an unique comment about RG and BB ... HERE:

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/04/28/news/cops_and_courts/doc4f9a88f601f7e368685737.txt?viewmode=fullstory

Just someone's take on it ... but still ... this is what poster said:

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tenaciousTJ 16 hours ago:

"and I am terrified that he will hurt me,” she said in a narrative included in the PPO request.

It seemed like that's the way they like it...with a little or a lot of "hurt" involved.

She was with him for 3 years behind Jane's back. She knew what Master Bob was into sexually...evil stuff...and they wanted to bring another woman into their nasty world.

Now she's scared of him? Why? What makes this woman that was in love with this man...affair or not...terrified?

If she has the goods on Master Bob, then wouldn't you think the police would do a better job at protecting this witness?

Or perhaps this is a sure fire way to get him locked up for a minute once he violates the PPO???

She's bait.

Darkman00
04-29-2012, 02:37 PM
Speaking of two devils.... :seeya:

A Blast at Rotary's the Winter Blast
Rotarians from all around District 6400 came together to assist in the collection of books, clothing and food for the 3-Million Pound Challenge at the Winter Blast in Detroit, February 12-14. Under the leadership of Grosse Pointe Rotary President Bob Bashara and GP Rotarian Mike Carmody, the group collected more than 420,000 pounds in a 3-day period. A great (chilly) time was had by all!

Bobby ... and Rachel is close by :)

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/winterblast/2/P1000818.jpg

Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/clubs/grossepointe.htm

When at the link and click on the pics, for some reason they don't enlarge (not for me anyhow). I think their larger pics' addresses are messed up there.

But i got to the correct addresses for 'em larger size pics ... :D ... HERE they are:

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other0910/winterblast/2/P1000819.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/gov0910/Liz,Bob,Neil2.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other1112/GPRC_EndPolio2.jpg

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other1112/Home_of_the_Governor2.jpg (Bobby almost didn't make this one) :)

... this one is from somewhat different source:

http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/gov1112/OV/2/Grosse-Pointe-Sunrise-0802.jpg

Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/clubs/grossepointesunrise.htm

... and this one is funny and belongs on it's own ... Bobby in "turkey hat" ...

Detroit & Grosse Pointe Rotary Clubs
Detroit and Grosse Pointe Rotarians faced off in the Second Annual Turkey Challenge, to raise funds to purchase turkeys for Gleaners. One hundred turkeys were purchased and hand delivered to Gleaners, all in all about 1,000 pounds of turkey. This year, in addition to bragging rights, the winner was to receive the gift of the loser sporting a turkey suit. In all fairness, Bob Bashara was not a party to the bet...

Click on Spoiler below to view: :D


http://www.rotary6400.org/assets/images/other1011/bobturkeyhat2.jpg

Darkman00
04-29-2012, 05:34 PM
What's that "white thing" on Rachel's right ear?

... ear-muff, earring? ... don't think so.

Anyone?

Darkman00
04-29-2012, 06:13 PM
Hopefully he won't end being Bobby's Judge:

Complaint Filed against Judge Accused of Sending Shirtless Photo to Bailiff

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/complaint-filed-against-judge-accused-of-sending-shirtless-photo-to-bailiff-20120425-ms

Detroit Judge In Hot Water For ‘Sexting’ Photo To Coworker

http://wycd.cbslocal.com/2012/04/25/detroit-judge-in-hot-water-for-sexting-photo-to-coworker/

... etc ...

Is "Blue Moon" out in Michigan?

One is on glue running naked on Mack Avenue....

The other one is a judge, undressing and "sexting"....

Maybe.. - all are Bobby's people from good old days... down there .. in the Dungeon :D
Judge Wade McCree releases statement on his racy photo

Posted: 04/27/2012

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(WXYZ) - Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Wade McCree has released a statement responding to the controversy over a sexy photograph of himself that was found on a woman's cell phone by her husband.

The statement reads as follows:

Clearly, I made an extremely serious error in judgment. I am embarrassed and truly sorry for my actions, which have hurt and caused great pain to my family.

I apologize to my family, my professional associates, my friends and the citizens of Wayne County.

I ask for forgiveness from all those I have disappointed and hurt as a result of my very serious mistake. I also ask for your prayers as my family and I work through this issue on a personal and professional level.

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Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/judge-wade-mccree-releases-statement-on-his-racy-photo#ixzz1tTC47VIw

forgetmenot
04-29-2012, 08:36 PM
What's that "white thing" on Rachel's right ear?

... ear-muff, earring? ... don't think so.

Anyone?

Looks like the kind of earmuffs that wrap around the back of the head so you see no band on top of her head. Her hair covers the band.

Darkman00
04-29-2012, 09:12 PM
Thanks ... i suppose so.

Why is it, absolutely, not seen then on her left ear?

Totally covered by the hair?

forgetmenot
04-30-2012, 07:34 AM
Thanks ... i suppose so.

Why is it, absolutely, not seen then on her left ear?

Totally covered by the hair?

The very tip of something white is visible on her left ear but hair covers the rest of it.

Yes, her hair length could totally cover this style of ear muffs.

I'm unfamiliar with any Bluetooth type of phone devices that would look this large.

Nieschk
04-30-2012, 09:14 AM
I seriously doubt that the "Sexting Judge" will be sitting on the bench of such a high profile case as this one. Thank God...

Darkman00
04-30-2012, 11:05 AM
Nieschk

I doubt it also.
But as long as he remains a judge, there is always some slim chance, i guess.
Let's just hope he won't get assigned to Bashara case, say, by some fluke :rolleyes:

Darkman00
04-30-2012, 11:10 AM
The very tip of something white is visible on her left ear but hair covers the rest of it.

Yes, her hair length could totally cover this style of ear muffs.

I'm unfamiliar with any Bluetooth type of phone devices that would look this large.
You are right!
Now that i looked "closer" at her left ear ... - there is a white dot there, lol, that looks a bit as an earring even, but it's that earmuff, just covered by the hair.

Thanks.

P.S. Bob, on that photograph, by the way, looks like he doesn't have any ears at all (never mind earrings or earmuffs) :D

Darkman00
04-30-2012, 05:19 PM
DETROIT
April 30, 2012
Alleged Bashara mistress obtains protection order against him

By K. Michelle Moran
C & G Staff Writer

Robert Bashara’s alleged mistress, Rachel Gillett, now says she’s afraid for her life of the man she once loved.

On April 26, Gillett was granted a personal protection order ex parte in Wayne County’s Third Circuit Court against Bashara. The order forbids Bashara from contacting, following or visiting Gillett, and prevents him from legally purchasing or owning a gun.

In documents filed by her attorney, Doraid Elder, Gillett says that she had a three-year relationship with Bashara, during which time she “tried several times to break up with him.” Bashara has stalked her “at home and at work,” she charges in the PPO. Elder said Gillett met Bashara online.

When she learned that Bashara’s wife, Jane Bashara, had been discovered strangled in her vehicle Jan. 25, Gillett’s concerns about her former lover skyrocketed...

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...“Rachel is a victim of Bob Bashara’s lies and deceit. … She is a very sincere person and would never have been involved with him if she knew he was in a solid marriage,” Elder said.

The attorney said Bashara told Gillett his relationship with his wife was “on the rocks” and he was getting a divorce. At one point, Elder said Bashara even told Gillett the divorce had been finalized. But things changed when Gillett asked to see the divorce papers. Not wanting to interfere with the ongoing investigation, Elder declined to say when his client first asked Bashara about seeing proof of his alleged divorce...

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...Now living in an undisclosed location, Elder said Gillett is taking extra precautions for her safety.

“There’s anxiety every time she hears a knock at the door, every time she goes out, every time she leaves the house,” he said.

Bashara’s attorney, David Griem, could not be reached before press time for comment.

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MORE at the Source: http://www.candgnews.com/news/alleged-bashara-mistress-obtains-protection-order-against-him

Nieschk
05-01-2012, 07:43 AM
DETROIT
April 30, 2012
Alleged Bashara mistress obtains protection order against him

By K. Michelle Moran
C & G Staff Writer

Robert Bashara’s alleged mistress, Rachel Gillett, now says she’s afraid for her life of the man she once loved.

On April 26, Gillett was granted a personal protection order ex parte in Wayne County’s Third Circuit Court against Bashara. The order forbids Bashara from contacting, following or visiting Gillett, and prevents him from legally purchasing or owning a gun.

In documents filed by her attorney, Doraid Elder, Gillett says that she had a three-year relationship with Bashara, during which time she “tried several times to break up with him.” Bashara has stalked her “at home and at work,” she charges in the PPO. Elder said Gillett met Bashara online.

When she learned that Bashara’s wife, Jane Bashara, had been discovered strangled in her vehicle Jan. 25, Gillett’s concerns about her former lover skyrocketed...

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...“Rachel is a victim of Bob Bashara’s lies and deceit. … She is a very sincere person and would never have been involved with him if she knew he was in a solid marriage,” Elder said.

The attorney said Bashara told Gillett his relationship with his wife was “on the rocks” and he was getting a divorce. At one point, Elder said Bashara even told Gillett the divorce had been finalized. But things changed when Gillett asked to see the divorce papers. Not wanting to interfere with the ongoing investigation, Elder declined to say when his client first asked Bashara about seeing proof of his alleged divorce...

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...Now living in an undisclosed location, Elder said Gillett is taking extra precautions for her safety.

“There’s anxiety every time she hears a knock at the door, every time she goes out, every time she leaves the house,” he said.

Bashara’s attorney, David Griem, could not be reached before press time for comment.

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MORE at the Source: http://www.candgnews.com/news/alleged-bashara-mistress-obtains-protection-order-against-him


What??? No comment from Griem??? :what:

nursebeeme
05-01-2012, 08:58 AM
well, the article says Griem couldn't be reached by press time... (I just know he will have something to say ;-)

laniefi
05-01-2012, 10:52 AM
DETROIT
April 30, 2012
Alleged Bashara mistress obtains protection order against him

By K. Michelle Moran
C & G Staff Writer

Robert Bashara’s alleged mistress, Rachel Gillett, now says she’s afraid for her life of the man she once loved.

On April 26, Gillett was granted a personal protection order ex parte in Wayne County’s Third Circuit Court against Bashara. The order forbids Bashara from contacting, following or visiting Gillett, and prevents him from legally purchasing or owning a gun.

In documents filed by her attorney, Doraid Elder, Gillett says that she had a three-year relationship with Bashara, during which time she “tried several times to break up with him.” Bashara has stalked her “at home and at work,” she charges in the PPO. Elder said Gillett met Bashara online.

When she learned that Bashara’s wife, Jane Bashara, had been discovered strangled in her vehicle Jan. 25, Gillett’s concerns about her former lover skyrocketed...

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...“Rachel is a victim of Bob Bashara’s lies and deceit. … She is a very sincere person and would never have been involved with him if she knew he was in a solid marriage,” Elder said.

The attorney said Bashara told Gillett his relationship with his wife was “on the rocks” and he was getting a divorce. At one point, Elder said Bashara even told Gillett the divorce had been finalized. But things changed when Gillett asked to see the divorce papers. Not wanting to interfere with the ongoing investigation, Elder declined to say when his client first asked Bashara about seeing proof of his alleged divorce...

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...Now living in an undisclosed location, Elder said Gillett is taking extra precautions for her safety.

“There’s anxiety every time she hears a knock at the door, every time she goes out, every time she leaves the house,” he said.

Bashara’s attorney, David Griem, could not be reached before press time for comment.

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MORE at the Source: http://www.candgnews.com/news/alleged-bashara-mistress-obtains-protection-order-against-him

Well, not to be mean but then why don't we SEE those divorce papers ladies BEFORE we start relationships with MARRIED MEN!

I AM NOT sympathetic. I DO NOT wish her any harm, but she doesn't get any leeway from me.

Sorry, Lanie's filter is OFF today! :what:

Darkman00
05-01-2012, 06:35 PM
well, the article says Griem couldn't be reached by press time... (I just know he will have something to say ;-)
... sooner or later? :truce:

Darkman00
05-01-2012, 11:57 PM
GrossePointeToday.com / News / Public Safety (http://grossepointetoday.com/news/public-safety/002793-public-safety)

05.01.2012

Welcome back to the GrossePointeToday.com public-safety roundup. We've been gone a while, and we hope we can lure at least some of our loyal readers back. As some of you know, your public-safety correspondent -- that would be me -- got a new job in January, which combined with the other jobs I was doing, meant something had to give. This was one of them. Things are easier now, and I hope to have more time to devote to making the cop-shop rounds and seeing what's up.

But first, a few words about what I missed. About a month into the hiatus, I got an email from a reader saying, "Wouldn't you know it? You take time off and something actually happens." She was referring to the Jane Bashara homicide, of course, which landed like a bomb just in time for February sweeps.

The whole place went a little crazy, didn't it? The leaking police departments, the inane TV-dolt standups outside the Park municipal building, the constant gossip -- it didn't let up for a month. But what really bugged me is how quickly the whole story became a joke.

You couldn't help but laugh at the macabre sideshow of Nancy Grace, Master Bob, the Hinky Meter, the whole nine. I was watching attorney David Griem's press conference on a web stream. He stepped to the microphone and made a joke about there being no truth to the rumor that his nickname among "the S&M ladies" was "Shorty." (I half expected to be reminded to tip my waitress.)

In the midst of it all, it was easy to forget that at the center of the story was a hole, a hole shaped like Jane Bashara. "She was the class of that outfit," someone told me, and I believe it. Once she was gone, it was all a joke. It's not a joke. Let's hope this case gets wrapped soon.

That was at the beginning of our break. At the end? A naked guy running down Mack Avenue in the Woods, freaking on meth.

Now that's a joke.

As for this week? Not so much. The usual drunks, the usual thieves, the usual life of crime here in Grosse Pointe. But starting this week, we're back covering it again.

-- Nancy Nall Derringer

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 03:11 AM
Action News catches up with Rachel Gillett; neighbor speaks out for the first time about Bashara

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Gillett is Bob Bashara's former mistress.

Posted: 11:28 PM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 39 minutes ago

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By: Tom Wait

GROSSE POINTE, Mich. (WXYZ) - Rachel Gillett wasn’t talking when 7 Action News caught up with her Wednesday night...

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For the first time Rachel’s neighbors are speaking out about the PPO and the case. One neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said she saw what looked like Bashara trying to break into Rachel’s flat back in March after Jane Bashara’s murder.

The neighbor tells Action News that she heard him trying to unlock the door and watched as he pushed hard to open it.

Gillett is not accused of any wrongdoing in the Bashara murder. Bob Bashara remains a person of interest in his wife’s murder. Jane Bashara was found dead in her SUV back in March in Detroit.

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Darkman00
05-03-2012, 12:17 PM
May 3, 2012 at 11:32 am

Bashara murder defendant's competency hearing delayed

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

Detroit — A mental evaluation hearing will be delayed for a St. Clair Shores handyman accused in the death of Jane Bashara, prosecutors said Thursday.

Joseph Gentz was due in 36th District Court on Friday for a competency hearing to determine if he's mentally fit to stand trial on first-degree murder and conspiracy charges in Bashara's Jan. 24 strangulation death.

But Wayne County prosecutors said the hearing will be postponed as a forensic center works to complete reports required for the proceeding. A new date has not yet been set...

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Gentz's attorney Susan Reed requested the competency evaluation at his March arraignment. Court records say the St. Clair Shores man has the IQ of a third-grader and was previously diagnosed with bipolar and organic mood disorder.

Although Gentz has undergone competency testing, Reed said this week that results weren't in.

"We haven't gotten the results back yet, and I have no idea when they'll come back," she said.

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Read more at the Source:

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120503/METRO01/205030444/1361/Bashara-murder-defendant-s-competency-hearing-delayed

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Darkman00
05-03-2012, 12:34 PM
Bashara murder suspect’s court hearing delayed

By Jameson Cook
jamie.cook@macombdaily.com

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A court hearing for a former handyman charged in the Jane Bashara murder case will be adjourned Friday because a report on his mental state has not been completed....

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More at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120503/NEWS01/120509833/bashara-murder-suspect-s-court-hearing-delayed

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 01:18 PM
Preliminary hearing for suspect in Jane Bashara murder case pushed back

Joe Gentz charged with murder in death Grosse Pointe Park mother

Published On: May 03 2012 12:56:39 PM EDT

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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Preliminary-hearing-for-suspect-in-Jane-Bashara-murder-case-pushed-back/-/1719314/12537828/-/knipmm/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Court Hearing for Gentz in Bashara Homicide Rescheduled

The handyman charged in the strangulation death of Jane E. Bashara was to appear in 36th District Court Friday but the hearing has been adjourned and a new date is to be determined as his competency evaluation continues.

By Sara Eaton Martin, 11:39 am

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This is the second time the preliminary exam for Joe Gentz has been continued. He was arraigned on charges in early March. Normally a preliminary exam—the hearing during which a judge rules whether the prosecution has sufficient evidence to continue pursuing the case in court—happens within 14 days of the arraignment.

Defendants can waive their right to the 14-day time frame, which is the case with Gentz. His attorney, Susan Reed, requested the competency evaluation during his arraignment, during which he waived the 14 days.

He had been scheduled to appear Friday afternoon in 36th District Court but a new date is to be determined, Wayne County Prosecutor's Office spokeswoman Maria Miller announced Thursday.

A new date has not yet been set but will be announced when one is determined, Miller said.

Officials from the Forensic Center are still working to complete reports related to the competency evaluation, Miller said. The results of the evaluation are necessary to begin the preliminary exam, which will not happen if he is determined as incompetent to stand trial.

According to the Michigan law outlining the procedure for competency evaluations, the center performing the evaluation must include the following:


Clinical findings


The facts upon which the clinical findings are based upon


The opinion about whether the defendant is competent to stand trial or about the likelihood of the defendant becoming competent through a treatment regimen within a certain timeframe


The competency evaluation and any of the information gathered for it are not pieces of information that can be used in the criminal proceedings, other than for determining competency to stand trial
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Read more at the Source: http://grossepointe.patch.com/articles/court-hearing-in-bashara-homicide-to-be-reset

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 02:05 PM
Competency Hearing for Bashara Murder Suspect Delayed

Updated: Thursday, 03 May 2012, 1:39 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 03 May 2012, 1:39 PM EDT

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By Scott Brewer

DETROIT, Mich. (WJBK) - A hearing to determine the mental status of the man charged in the murder of Grosse Pointe Park businesswoman Jane Bashara has been delayed...

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Speaking to FOX 2's Amy Lange on Thursday, Bashara attorney David Griem speculates the delay in the competency hearing was because prosecutors are still trying to work out a plea deal with Joe Gentz.

During the interview Griem also addressed the Personal Protection Order requested by Bob Bashara's former girlfriend that was filed on April 26. In a letter to the court, Rachel Gillette said Bashara stalked her during the three years they dated when she tried to break things off with him.

After Jane's death realizing he is "much more of a danger to me than I ever imagined before. And I am terrified that he will hurt me" she said. Gillette says she always thought he was a divorced man and did not know the truth until after his wife was murdered.

Griem said he plans to respond to the PPO in writing to clarify the facts in the case. Griem said Bashara is not stalking his former lover and recently left a Palm Sunday Cross in her mailbox as a sign of friendship.

He admits Bashara probably should not have phoned her after Gillette's attorney had written asking that Bob not contact her anymore, but said the pair spoke for at least twenty minutes which indicated the conversation was mutual.

Stay with FOX 2 news and myFOXDetroit.com for updates on this developing story.

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Fox 2's Amy Lange contributed to this report.

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More at the Source: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/competency-hearing-for-bashara-murder-suspect-delayed-20120503-spb

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 03:22 PM
Bashara ex-girlfriend files PPO

Kathy Ryan, the author

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May 03, 2012
A City of Grosse Pointe woman romantically linked with Bob Bashara has obtained a personal protection order against him after stating he continues to contact her after she has asked him to stop.

According to the written request for the personal protection order, Rachel Gillett, 51, maintains she is fearful for her life and wants Bashara to be prohibited from contacting her by any form, including by telephone, e-mail or in person. She outlined several instances where Bashara has attempted to contact her, including allegedly coming to her residence, after she has told him she wants no contact with him.

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Source: Grosse Pointe News (http://www.grossepointenews.com/Articles-News-i-2012-05-03-246839.114135-Bashara-exgirlfriend-files-PPO.html)

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 05:26 PM
Compentency hearing in Bashara murder case expected to be postponed

5:13 PM, May 3, 2012

By Gina Damron

The competency hearing scheduled to be held Friday for a man charged in the murder of Grosse Pointe Park mother Jane Bashara is expected to be adjourned, according to the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office.

Joseph Gentz, who was undergoing a psychiatric evaluation, was scheduled to be in Detroit’s 36th District Court Friday. The prosecutor’s office said today that the parties in the case will appear in court Friday to address the adjournment to allow the Forensic Center to complete reports.

It’s unlikely Gentz will appear in court, the prosecutor’s office said....

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More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120503/NEWS02/120503060/Compentency-hearing-in-Bashara-murder-case-postponed

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 06:45 PM
Action News catches up with Rachel Gillett; neighbor speaks out for the first time about Bashara

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Gillett is Bob Bashara's former mistress.

Posted: 11:28 PM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 39 minutes ago

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By: Tom Wait

GROSSE POINTE, Mich. (WXYZ) - Rachel Gillett wasn’t talking when 7 Action News caught up with her Wednesday night...

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For the first time Rachel’s neighbors are speaking out about the PPO and the case. One neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said she saw what looked like Bashara trying to break into Rachel’s flat back in March after Jane Bashara’s murder.

The neighbor tells Action News that she heard him trying to unlock the door and watched as he pushed hard to open it.

Gillett is not accused of any wrongdoing in the Bashara murder. Bob Bashara remains a person of interest in his wife’s murder. Jane Bashara was found dead in her SUV back in March in Detroit.

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Darkman00
05-03-2012, 07:49 PM
Attorney for Bob Bashara's former mistress says client was deceived into thinking Bashara was single

Posted: 7:13 PM
Last Updated: 23 minutes ago

By: Kimberly Craig

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DETROIT (WXYZ) - As Bob Bashara's attorney prepares to file a response to the personal protection order against his client, the woman who sought that PPO is avoiding reporters for fear that talking publicly will hurt the investigation into the murder of Jane Bashara.

7 Action News spoke to attorney Doraid Elder who represents Rachel Gillett.

"The picture that's been painted of Rachel is that she is a willing mistress. She's not. She is someone that was duped, lied to, fell in love and this has been devastating for her," said Elder.

Elder says Gillett went house hunting with Bob Bashara because she believed that Bob and Jane Bashara were already divorced. And it was only several days after Jane Bashara was found dead that Gillett learned that the two were still married...

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Bashara's attorney David Griem says he will file a response to the PPO against his client by next Thursday but he has no plans to fight it because he thinks it's best that the two have no contact.

Prior to the PPO, Griem acknowledges that his client placed a palm frond cross in Rachel Gillett's mailbox on Palm Sunday.

"He wove it himself and did place it in her mailbox. His thought being that this is a very difficult time for both of them and maybe that would give her some spiritual help," said Griem.

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Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/attorney-for-bob-basharas-former-mistress-says-client-was-decieved-into-thinking-bashara-was-single

Darkman00
05-03-2012, 08:02 PM
Preliminary hearing for suspect in Jane Bashara murder case pushed back

Joe Gentz charged with murder in death Grosse Pointe Park mother

Published On: May 03 2012 12:56:39 PM EDT

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Bob Bashara's attorney has own theory

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"I believe there are negotiations going on right now between the prosecutor's office and Joe Gentz's to try to reach plea resolution ... and probably sentence resolution for Mr. Gentz. And Mr. Gentz then would be used against Robert Bashara."

Bob Bashara's reputed mistress, Rachel Gillett, retained a personal protection order against Bob. Griem doesn't think that's not such a bad thing.

"Rachel and Mr. Bashara should be prohibited from having contact with each other," Griem said...

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More at the above Source

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05-03-2012, 08:17 PM
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So what did we learn from WXYZ’s latest report? For one thing, Gillett's neighbors are pretty much annoyed with the controversy. One neighbor might have one time heard Bashara trying to break into Gillett's home...with a key!

We also learned that Gillett has an attached garage with an electric door. She wouldn’t talk to the camera crew, but they filmed her exiting her vehicle and closing the garage door.

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Darkman00
05-04-2012, 09:16 AM
Bashara murder suspect Joseph Gentz has court hearing delayed

Published: Friday, May 04, 2012

By JAMESON COOK
For The Oakland Press

A court hearing for a former handyman charged in the Jane Bashara murder case will be adjourned Friday because a report on his mental state has not been completed.

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He was scheduled to face a preliminary examination Friday in 36th District Court in Detroit but the state Center for Forensic Psychiatry has not yet submitted a report on whether Gentz was criminally responsible and can help in his defense, according to Maria Miller, spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy.

A new date has not yet been set, Miller said Thursday morning...

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Darkman00
05-04-2012, 10:36 AM
Competency hearing for Jane Bashara murder suspect postponed

10:05 AM, May 4, 2012

By Gina Damron
Detroit Free Press

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A competency hearing scheduled for a man charged in the murder of Grosse Pointe Park mother Jane Bashara has been adjourned until next month.

Joseph Gentz, who has undergone a psychiatric evaluation, was scheduled to be in Detroit’s 36th District Court today, but the hearing was adjourned until June 11 to give the Forensic Center time to complete reports.

Gentz did not appear in court today.

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More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120504/NEWS02/120504019/Jane-Bashara-Joseph-Gentz-murder-hearing

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 11:24 AM
Competency hearing delayed for handyman in Bashara killing

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

Detroit — A mental evaluation hearing was pushed back Friday for the handyman accused in the killing of Jane Bashara as doctors work to gather hospital records.

Joseph Gentz, 48, is charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy in the Jan. 24 slaying of the Grosse Pointe Park marketing executive. The mental evaluation was ordered in March when Gentz was arraigned on the charges.

Gentz is expected to return to 36th District Court in Detroit on June 11 to determine if he's been deemed mentally fit for trial.

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His attorney, Susan Reed, said Friday that she visited her client in the Wayne County Jail on Thursday.

"He's doing as well as expected for being incarcerated," she said after Friday's hearing was postponed...

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Reed declined to discuss if a plea deal was being discussed.

Read more at the Source, The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120504/METRO01/205040399/1361/Competency-hearing-delayed-for-handyman-in-Bashara-killing

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 11:53 AM
Alleged Bashara Witness speaks

May 4, 2012

Supposed Bashara witness “Steve” gives his story of what went down in the murder of Jane Bashara. Charlie asks tough questions to “Steve” about his substantial claims.

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Darkman00
05-04-2012, 12:20 PM
Friend: Gentz Confessed Bashara Murder, Last Words Were ‘Please Don’t Do That’

May 4, 2012 12:01 PM

By Christy Strawser

DETROIT (Talk Radio 1270) The man who allegedly drove Joe Gentz to the police station to confess the murder of Jane Bashara called Charlie Langton’s Talk Radio 1270 morning show Friday to say Gentz wasn’t the only one involved.

Steve Virgona, who says he’s a longtime friend of Gentz’s, also reported Jane Bashara’s last words.

“Let’s put it this way, he (Gentz) said Bashara pointed a gun at him and said ‘Do it now’” Virgona said, adding, “Her last words were ‘please don’t do that, ‘please don’t do that.’”

Gentz, a tenant of Bob Bashara’s and reported handyman, is charged with murder and conspiracy to murder, though no conspirator has been charged with him. Police have named Bashara a person of interest in his wife’s death.

Virgona said he gave his own statements to police after Gentz told him his version of the story — and he’s upset that so much of what he told officers and prosecutors has already turned up in the media. Grosse Pointe Park police did not respond to calls seeking comment on Virgona’s story.

The case has captivated metro Detroit and the country — with accusations of infidelity and sadomasochism in tony Grosse Pointe, one of the state’s most affluent communities. Bob Bashara, a building manager and owner, had been married to Jane, a marketing executive, for decades, and they have two children in college.

Jane Bashara was found strangled in her own Mercedes in an alley in Detroit earlier this year, after her husband reported her missing. What happened?

“Joe had physical evidence on his face, he had other evidence that was on him,” Virgona said.

Were there more people involved in the crime? Langton asked.


“I know there is,” Virgona said, later adding, “Joe’s told me for sure that Bob Bashara offered some other people (money for murder), third parties.”

He added his account of what Gentz told him about the murder, saying Bashara told Gentz “you’re going to do the job or you’re going to die with her.”

“He’s very easy to manipulate,” Virgona added. “If there’s anything involved with money or something … he’ll jump right into it.”

A competency hearing for Gentz this week was adjourned until June 11. Verona said Gentz had a “brain aneurysm” at one point, but he’s competent and has passed his competency tests “with flying colors.”

Virgona got involved in the case, he said, after he was watching coverage of the Bashara funeral on TV and realized he recognized people in the footage. The next thing he knew, he said Gentz was knocking on his door.

“Joe got scared, he wanted to take off, but he decided to do the right thing,” Virgona said, adding that he and a pastor friend decided to drive him to police to confess. “He went upstairs, took a shower, put a nice suit on, gave me his jacket, wallet and his watch and all that stuff (and then went to police.)”

What did he tell police? ”I want to confess the murder of Jane Bashara, conspiracy to it,” Verona reported Gentz told police, adding, “The police department got video tape.”

Police held Gentz while the media staked out the Grosse Pointe Park department. But after a few days, Gentz was released — before he was arrested again and officially charged.

“That’s something I never understood … I was shocked,” Virgona said. “I can say this if you want to come and arrest me, go ahead. I was shocked because here I am … I’m a main witness to put Bob Bashara and Joe Gentz away and here they give Joe Gentz back to me and I feel like I was a babysitter for a week.”

Virgona also spoke to officers, saying they “kicked him out” of the station three times when he tried to tell his tale, before eventually taking him seriously. He said he was the one who told them to look for DNA evidence in the Bashara garage.

How did he know? “Because Joe Gentz told me,” Virgona said, later adding that’s where Gentz told him the murder happened.

Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/05/04/friend-gentz-confessed-bashara-murder-last-words-were-please-dont-do-that/

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Attorneys address competency hearing for Joe Gentz

Posted: 11:59 AM
By: Kim Russell

(WXYZ) - Friday morning a hearing was held in the Jane Bashara murder case. She is the Grosse Pointe Park mom killed in January.
Judge Ronald Giles decided to delay a competency hearing for accused murderer Joe Gentz until June 11 th...

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Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/home/attorneys-address-competency-hearing-for-joe-gentz

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 03:37 PM
May 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Friend says Gentz told him Bashara tried to hire second hitman

By George Hunter
The Detroit News

Grosse Pointe Park— A handyman charged with murdering Jane Bashara allegedly told a friend that the victim's husband tried to hire a second man to carry out the hit.

Joe Gentz, who is charged with strangling Jane Bashara on Jan. 24, said Robert Bashara paid him less than $2,000 and the promise of a used Cadillac to commit the slaying, according to police sources. Gentz's longtime friend, Steve Virgona, told The Detroit News that Gentz tried in vain to subcontract the murder to him.

"He said Bob wanted to make it look like a hit-and-run accident," Virgona said Friday. "She was supposed to be hit by a car, and it would've looked like an accident. I never said yes, and I never said no, but I obviously didn't do it. Joe also told me there was another guy Bob tried to hire to kill Jane, but he turned it down."

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Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office, declined to comment Friday on Virgona's statements, citing the ongoing investigation.

Virgona lives in Warren and has known Gentz since they attended Lincoln High School together. When Gentz was charged March 1 in the slaying, Virgona said Gentz had approached him about helping to kill someone.

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It was unclear whether police interviewed the alleged second man.

Virgona also said Gentz described in detail what happened the day of the murder.

"Joe said Bob pulled a gun out on him and said, 'Do it … you better do it now.' Then Jane says, 'Please don't do that.' Those were her last words."...

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120504/METRO01/205040435/1361/Friend-says-Gentz-told-him-Bashara-tried-to-hire-second-hitman

More at the Source.

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 05:22 PM
DETROIT
May 4, 2012

Competency hearing rescheduled for Bashara murder suspect

By K. Michelle Moran
C & G Staff Writer

A competency hearing for murder suspect Joseph John Gentz, 48, of Grosse Pointe Park was adjourned the morning of May 4 in 36th District Court Judge Ronald Giles’ courtroom.

Gentz was arraigned March 5 on charges of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder in the Jan. 25 slaying of Jane Bashara, 56, of Grosse Pointe Park. He reportedly confessed his involvement to police, but he is said to have told them that he killed Jane Bashara at the behest of her husband, Bob Bashara. Bob Bashara has insisted he had no involvement in his wife’s killing, and although police have called him a “person of interest” in the case, neither he nor anyone else besides Gentz had been charged in the crime at press time.

Gentz wasn’t present for the hearing, but his court-appointed attorney, Susan Reed, was in the courtroom, along with attorney Paul Sinutko from the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office. Reed said they were still awaiting records from several sources, including hospitals, before the competency hearing process and report could be completed. She told the judge they needed at least another four weeks to finish all of the needed exams...

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At press time, Gentz’s competency hearing was rescheduled for 1:30 p.m. June 11 to give the Forensic Center time to come up with their findings. Reed said her client remains in custody at the William Dickerson Detention Facility in Hamtramck. She said Gentz is doing “as well as could be expected for being incarcerated.”

As to whether her client might be seeking a plea deal, Reed told reporters she wasn’t able to discuss that prospect.

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More at the Source: http://www.candgnews.com/news/competency-hearing-rescheduled-bashara-murder-suspect

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 05:55 PM
Sources say Joe Gentz is getting into trouble in jail

Published On: May 04 2012 05:43:35 PM EDT

The man who admitted to killing Grosse Pointe Park mother Jane Bashara has been in jail and sources say he isn't exactly cooperating.

Gentz causes trouble inside Dickerson jail by refusing to take meds, starting screaming match

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Looks like Joe Gentz behaving bad in jail ... - he is violent, picked a fight with another inmate once (shouting match over TV ... didn't like what was on tv ... said "want the channel changed or shut the tv off"), "off his meds" (often refuses his meds), once pointed with his finger as if he had a gun and was shooting...

Tod Flood, legal expert, said if Gentz keeps on behaving this way it could be an advantage to Bob Bashara (if Bashara is ever charged and goes to trial) .. or, he said, it could work for the prosecution, him acting out etc ... because it shows that he's not stable and can be easily manipulated to do "very bad" things...

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Sources-say-Joe-Gentz-is-getting-into-trouble-in-jail/-/1719418/12568164/-/15l244pz/-/index.html

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Darkman00
05-04-2012, 06:23 PM
Gentz causes trouble inside Dickerson jail by refusing to take meds, starting screaming match

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Sources-say-Joe-Gentz-is-getting-into-trouble-in-jail/-/1719418/12568164/-/15l244pz/-/index.html
Local 4 Defenders learn Joe Gentz hasn't been on best behavior behind bars

Published On: May 04 2012 06:04:10 PM EDT

The Local 4 Defenders have learned that Joe Gentz has been causing problems behind bars, been put on lock down and has been written up nearly a dozen times.

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He’s currently locked up in the Dickerson jail in Hamtramck, awaiting a preliminary hearing that is set for June.

The Defenders have learned that in one incident, Gentz made hand motions like he was holding a gun and pretended to fire several rounds at a corporal.

On several occasions, he’s refused to take his medication and has acted out to the point where jail nurses don’t feel safe giving medications to other inmates while Gentz is in the common area.

In another episode, Gentz, allegedly angry that he was told his cigarettes were thrown away, goes into a screaming tirade laced with expletives.

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Local-4-Defenders-learn-Joe-Gentz-hasn-t-been-on-best-behavior-behind-bars/-/1719314/12568430/-/38g6mxz/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 08:52 PM
Bashara’s attorney responds to Gentz’s friend

By Jameson Cook
jamie.cook@macombdaily.com

Posted: 05/04/12 06:46 pm

Bob Bashara’s attorney on Friday disputed comments by Joe Gentz’s friend that repeated allegations that Bashara forced Gentz to murder Jane Bashara.

“How incredible is it to hear one story after another?” attorney David Griem told The Macomb Daily on Friday. “We’ve heard seven or eight stories from Joe Gentz, and most of them have been repeated by his friend.”

Steve Virgona, Gentz’s longtime friend, reportedly called a Detroit radio show Friday morning and said Gentz told him Bashara ordered Gentz to kill Jane Bashara at gunpoint. Gentz also revealed Jane Bashara’s last words, Virgona said, a published report said.

“Let’s put it this way, he (Gentz) said Bashara pointed a gun at him and said ‘Do it now,’” Virgona said, adding, “Her last words were ‘please don’t do that, ‘please don’t do that.’”
Bashara told Gentz, “You’re going to do the job or you’re going to die with her,” according to a published report.

Griem incredulously retorted, “How bizarre is it that someone would point a gun at someone’s head and order him to kill someone else?”

...

Virgona said on the radio, “Joe’s told me for sure that Bob Bashara offered some other people (money for murder), third parties.”

Griem responded: “There’s a theory in football and life, the best defense is offense.”

Griem contended that Gentz invented his version despite his reported mental drawbacks.

“How smart do you have to be to come up with a story like that?” he said. “You don’t have to be a genius to think up a story like that.”

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Virgona said Gentz is “very easy to manipulate.”

“If there’s anything involved with money or something … he’ll jump right into it,” Virgona said.

Griem threw suspicion onto Virgona, saying he could be among other “persons of interest” connected to the case. Griem noted that Virgona owns a parcel near where Bashara’s body was found.

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More at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120504/NEWS01/120509691/bashara-s-attorney-responds-to-gentz-s-friend&pager=full_story

Darkman00
05-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Bashara told Gentz, “You’re going to do the job or you’re going to die with her,” according to a published report.

If Bob Bashara would, indeed, killed Joe Gentz, after Gentz killed Jane Bashara .... i guess, then Bob Bashara could have said that he heard something suspicious in garage and he went there and saw that Joe Gentz strangled Jane, so he shot Gentz ... right there on the spot.

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 12:12 AM
Pete Waldmeir, GP Woods

Dylan's on the move?

Bashara case fallout could claim another victim

Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:34 pm

Dylan's Raw Bar and Grille is looking for a new address. But co-owner Rocco Cinqueranelli promises that if and when any switch comes to pass, the popular Mack Avenue sea food dining spot and jazz music bar will stay in Grosse Pointe Park.

"Yes, we've been looking around," acknowledged Rocco, whose business partner is John Montgomery. "Sometimes things happen that you can't control and you have to adjust. We love this business. People have been marvelous to us. We have a lot of loyal customers.

"We have made a lot of great friends here. We want to stay in the neighborhood."

Dylan's owners have been checking out recently vacated buildings a few blocks to the east, on Kercheval Avenue just north of another popular eatery, Antonio's in the Park.

"What about The Hill or the Village?" I asked. " They're nice," Rocco responded. "but Kercheval in the Park would make more sense for us."

Why move at all? Cincueranelli and Montgomery have owned and operated Dylan's for five years. Grosse Pointers will recall that it once was badged as Tom's Oyster Bar.

Unfortunately, Dylan's may be an innocent spinoff victim of the bizarre Bashara murder case. It happens to be located in a building owned by Robert Bashara, who has been named as a "person of interest" in his wife's murder.

And Dylan's next-door tenant in the same building on Mack (whose signs since have been removed) was the since pad-locked Hard Luck Lounge, which was widely publicized in connection with the Bashara case.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

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Source: http://grossepointe.patch.com/blog_posts/dylans-on-the-move

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 01:18 AM
May 5, 2012 at 1:00 am

Friend says Gentz told him Bashara tried to hire second hitman

Job was supposed to make it look like a hit-and-run accident

By George Hunter
The Detroit News

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3253/bildezw.jpg

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120505/METRO/205050354

More at the Source.

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 02:29 AM
Joseph Gentz competency hearing adjourned a month

May 5, 2012

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Read at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS01/205050344/Joseph-Gentz-competency-hearing-adjourned-a-month

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 02:08 PM
Bobby at Fireworks 2011 (thanks for the tip, OhWow1)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2298/26203621317525539440214.jpg

Source: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.213173985394529.61036.140461272665801&type=3

Few more pics: (click on Spoiler below to view)


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6506/26347621317474539445314.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2362/26179621317448539447974.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3609/26804621317464206113014.jpg

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 05:11 PM
They love Bob ... after all he IS / WAS a "Pillar".

The same St. Michael's Episcopal Church Fireworks but the year is 2008 ... --- Bobby is praised in this article about the event: (click on Spoiler below to view)


http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1205/8d/ab306318759b.jpg
or: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1726/ab306318759b.jpg

Source: Grosse Pointe News, June 19, 2008 (Page 3B) (http://digitize.gp.lib.mi.us/digitize/newspapers/gpnews/2005-09/08/2008-06-19.pdf)

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 05:57 PM
Here is some more of Bob the Pillar ... There is, even, his email there ... you can email him, if wanted :) (Click on Spoiler below to view)


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1575/bobcheck20091210.jpg

Source: Grosse Pointe News, December 10, 2009 (Page 3B) (http://digitize.gp.lib.mi.us/digitize/newspapers/gpnews/2005-09/09/2009-12-10.pdf)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/776/bobcheck20091217.jpg

Source: Grosse Pointe News, December 17, 2009 (Page 3B) (http://digitize.gp.lib.mi.us/digitize/newspapers/gpnews/2005-09/09/2009-12-17.pdf)

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 06:21 PM
Friend Of Jane Bashara Murder Suspect Joe Gentz Tells Wild Tale

http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/system/images/BAhbB1sHOgZmSSIqMjAxMi8wNS8wNS8xNF8zMl8zM18yNDFfam 9lX2dlbnR6LkpQRwY6BkVUWwg6BnA6CnRodW1iSSIKNTAweD4G OwZU/joe-gentz.JPG

We don't yet know who is responsible for the death of Jane Bashara. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But regardless of who is culpable in that tragic crime, it's safe to say everyone involved in the case is really weird. Consider this report from the Macomb Daily: (http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120504/NEWS01/120509691/bashara-s-attorney-responds-to-gentz-s-friend&pager=full_story)



Steve Virgona, [Joe] Gentz’s longtime friend, reportedly called a Detroit radio show Friday morning and said Gentz told him [Bob] Bashara ordered Gentz to kill Jane Bashara at gunpoint. Gentz also revealed Jane Bashara’s last words, Virgona said, a published report said.



“Let’s put it this way, he (Gentz) said Bashara pointed a gun at him and said ‘Do it now,’” Virgona said, adding, “Her last words were ‘please don’t do that, please don’t do that.’”



Bashara told Gentz, “You’re going to do the job or you’re going to die with her,” according to a published report.


Virgona also claims Gentz, who wandered into a Grosse Pointe police station to confess to the crime in the middle of the night but was initially released without being charged, told him that Bashara had tried to hire other people to kill his wife in a hit-and-run car accident.

Bashara's lawyer, David Griem, called this latest story "bizarre."

If it all went down this way, then this is one of the most absurd and ham-fisted murder conspiracies ever. If Virgona's story is all just woo-woo, then some people seriously need to watch less Law&Order SVU. -- JW

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Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/206/friend_of_jane_bashara_murder_suspect_joe_gentz_te lls_wild_tale

Darkman00
05-05-2012, 06:28 PM
Jane Bashara (Novermber 2009)

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/92/janenovember20092009110.jpg

Source: Grosse Pointe News, November 5, 2009 (Page 3A II) (http://digitize.gp.lib.mi.us/digitize/newspapers/gpnews/2005-09/09/2009-11-05.pdf)

Woe.be.gone
05-06-2012, 04:38 PM
I feel for Steve - he sticks his neck out by convincing JG to go to LE and then, he feels, nobody took him (Steve) seriously. That would be very frustrating indeed. :twocents:

Darkman00
05-06-2012, 04:53 PM
I don't really feel that much for Steve.... as, reportedly, he was approached by Joe Gentz who told SV he was asked to "get rid of" some rich lady and asked Steve to "help" him.

Steve refused .... BUT didn't do anything with that information ... - as far as i am concerned he should have gone RIGHT AWAY and reported Gentz to LE ... - who knows, maybe Jane would have been still alive (as JG would, more likely, cracked under LE questioning)

UNLESS, of course Steve DID go to police RIGHT AWAY (which, somehow, i doubt), and told them what Joe "approached" him with ... and LE did NOTHING with it :rolleyes:

Darkman00
05-07-2012, 01:29 PM
May 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Bashara attorney: Woman's request for protection a 'fabrication'

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

Grosse Pointe Park— The attorney for Robert Bashara on Monday attacked a personal protection order filed by his client's former girlfriend, calling it a "fabrication" to shift attention away from claims she could be a person of interest in the January killing of Bashara's wife.

David Griem says he plans to file a response this week to the Wayne Circuit Court order requested by Rachel Gillett...

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In the order, Gillett said Bashara continually contacted her via email and letters, phone calls and unannounced visits to her home in Wayne County.

But Griem on Monday poked holes in Gillett's allegations, which he says were penned by her attorney, Doriad Elder.

Griem has said private investigators examining the case on behalf of Bashara have developed several persons of interest, including Gillett.

"It's obvious that Rachel Gillett's attorney himself drafted the one-and-a-half page attachment to the petition for a PPO," Griem said Monday. "In my humble opinion, it's a self-serving document that is chock-full of rhetoric. Instead of being in a position of a person of interest, let's put (Gillett) in the position of being a victim."

Elder on Monday said Gillett hasn't been questioned by authorities in any capacity other than as a witness. She could be called to testify at trial if Bashara is charged and without her testimony, Bashara would benefit, he said.

"This is no ploy. She fears for her life," Elder said, adding if Griem challenges the order he'll be "more than happy" to question Bashara at a court hearing. "If that's what he wants, that's what his client will get."

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Griem admitted Monday that Bashara did leave the crucifix.

"It was a gesture meant to comfort Rachel Gillett during a very difficult time in the lives of both of them," he said. "That's not the stuff a personal protection order should be made of."

Griem added Bashara has not contacted Gillett since the order was put in place.

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120507/METRO/205070390/1409/metro/Bashara-attorney-Woman-s-request-protection-fabrication-

More at the Source.

Woe.be.gone
05-07-2012, 05:48 PM
I don't really feel that much for Steve.... as, reportedly, he was approached by Joe Gentz who told SV he was asked to "get rid of" some rich lady and asked Steve to "help" him.

Steve refused .... BUT didn't do anything with that information ... - as far as i am concerned he should have gone RIGHT AWAY and reported Gentz to LE ... - who knows, maybe Jane would have been still alive (as JG would, more likely, cracked under LE questioning)

UNLESS, of course Steve DID go to police RIGHT AWAY (which, somehow, i doubt), and told them what Joe "approached" him with ... and LE did NOTHING with it :rolleyes:

Wasn't aware of that - where/when was that reported? Or didn't I listen to Steve's recent interview closely enough?

Darkman00
05-07-2012, 05:54 PM
It was in previous interviews / leaks / reports / "elsewhere on the net" talk ;)

Darkman00
05-07-2012, 09:32 PM
Wasn't aware of that - where/when was that reported? Or didn't I listen to Steve's recent interview closely enough?
Among many other places it was reported, for example, HERE:

http://www.examiner.com/article/if-gentz-s-friend-had-told-police-about-plot-jane-bashara-would-still-be-alive?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

Gentz told investigator’s he killed Jane Bashara after her husband Bob Bashara, who he had done handyman work for, offered him about $2000 and a vehicle to do it.

Virgona says that weeks before the murder, Gentz approached him and asked him for help on a “contract hit,” Virgona said he turned Gentz down and did not realize Jane Bashara was the target until he read news reports.

If Virgona would have went to authorities and told them he was approached by someone requesting he help out with a contract killing, Jane Bashara would be alive today.

There is no doubt in my mind if confronted by police Gentz would have told them of Bob Bashara’s offer. Gentz has a reported IQ of 67, well below average, I am sure a trained investigator could have gotten information about the plot...


... but, i think, originally it was reported at Detroit Free Press

amandab
05-08-2012, 10:31 AM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/Dungeons-Of-Debauchery/-/1719524/12726392/-/5lw4qb/-/index.html

ruh-roh......

Darkman00
05-08-2012, 01:39 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/Dungeons-Of-Debauchery/-/1719524/12726392/-/5lw4qb/-/index.html

ruh-roh......
Was out earlier ... Thanks for the tip, amandab

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Are There Really Dungeons Of Debauchery?

Published On: May 07 2012 06:00:35 PM EDT Updated On: May 08 2012 11:49:43 AM EDT

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TONIGHT AT 11 P.M. - It's the twist in the Bashara case that had everyone whispering. Are there dungeons of debauchery in quiet, local communities? Wait until you see what Defender hidden cameras reveal!

Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/Dungeons-Of-Debauchery/-/1719524/12726392/-/5lw4qb/-/index.html

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Darkman00
05-08-2012, 02:17 PM
Related Tweets:

" @Local4News Violates the Privacy of a Local BDSM Party to make a #bashara connection! #madeindetroit #shame

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Woe.be.gone
05-08-2012, 02:33 PM
Among many other places it was reported, for example, HERE:

http://www.examiner.com/article/if-gentz-s-friend-had-told-police-about-plot-jane-bashara-would-still-be-alive?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

Gentz told investigator’s he killed Jane Bashara after her husband Bob Bashara, who he had done handyman work for, offered him about $2000 and a vehicle to do it.

Virgona says that weeks before the murder, Gentz approached him and asked him for help on a “contract hit,” Virgona said he turned Gentz down and did not realize Jane Bashara was the target until he read news reports.

If Virgona would have went to authorities and told them he was approached by someone requesting he help out with a contract killing, Jane Bashara would be alive today.

There is no doubt in my mind if confronted by police Gentz would have told them of Bob Bashara’s offer. Gentz has a reported IQ of 67, well below average, I am sure a trained investigator could have gotten information about the plot...


... but, i think, originally it was reported at Detroit Free Press


Oh, I see what you mean. This gets complicated though because we are dealing with people on the fringes (sorry, if that's not politically correct but I don't know exactly how to say what I'm trying to say) so I'm addressing smaller stories within the large picture. The large picture is that all people do the right thing at all times. In a perfect world that's what would happen. In the smaller picture, if someone invites you to participate in a hit, but you don't accept the invitation, you did a good thing. On the broader scale you didn't report a potential hit to the cops because, 1. you don't like dealing with cops or, 2. you didn't take the invition seriously to begin with or, 3. you didn't have the details anyway so what is there to tell.

Soon after a crime is all over the news. Another crime but SV doesn't think too much about it. JG shows up at SV's door and makes claim to the crime but SV can hardly believe that he'd been forewarned so he begins to feel badly because 'if onlies' set in. Maybe you are a guy on the fringes but you'd never murder anybody, especially a good woman who has never done anything to you. You show you have a conscious when the guy(JG), who is now telling you he committed this crime, that has been in the news, and you think, 'man, I didn't think JG had it in him to do something like this'. You know he did it due to his prior invitation to involve you in the crime. You manage to convince him to turn himself in to LE which saves them from beginning at the beginning beginning - actually opening up a huge piece of the story to them but then (you figure because you are just your lowly self), LE doesn't believe you. On top of that, you end up having to look after JG because LE lets him go and you are certain that what JG has told you and LE is true - partly because of the invite you had received earlier to participate in the crime.

Now, does one really think if SV had gone to the police and said, 'my friend JG said BB (did JG give SV the name early on?) wants to hire him to kill his wife and JG has asked me if I want to participate'. Considering SV has no proof of this, only his verbal account of the invitation he received via JG, what would LE do? How would LE respond? Question BB based on what SV told them? In a perfect world, yes. The best we could hope for is that LE would have had the conversation with SV previously on record. I doubt it would have stopped Jane's murder from happening UNLESS LE carried through addressing it with BB and Jane herself.

If that's how it went down, I still feel for SV. It seems that all this came walking towards him. He didn't go looking for it.

Darkman00
05-08-2012, 02:34 PM
Judge Wade McCree releases statement on his racy photo

Posted: 04/27/2012

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(WXYZ) - Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Wade McCree has released a statement responding to the controversy over a sexy photograph of himself that was found on a woman's cell phone by her husband.

The statement reads as follows:

Clearly, I made an extremely serious error in judgment. I am embarrassed and truly sorry for my actions, which have hurt and caused great pain to my family.

I apologize to my family, my professional associates, my friends and the citizens of Wayne County.

I ask for forgiveness from all those I have disappointed and hurt as a result of my very serious mistake. I also ask for your prayers as my family and I work through this issue on a personal and professional level.

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Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/judge-wade-mccree-releases-statement-on-his-racy-photo#ixzz1tTC47VIw
Sexy Calendar for Sexy Judge?

May 8, 2012

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Wayne County’s good looking Judge, Wade McCree is rumored to have been offered a spot on a major publication’s calendar that features good looking men. WWJ’s Vickie Thomas shares the Judge McCree’s reaction with Charlie.

Listen at the Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2F redirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2F d0%2Fd1%2Fd0%2FdG%2Fd7%2FdN%2F10G7N_3.MP3%3Fauthto k%3D5561766999704552339_sLsVgc3YzINQ40zGE5xT12OQWM&podcast_name=Sexy+Calendar+for+Sexy+Judge%3F&podcast_artist=Charlie+Langton+%26amp%3B+Vickie+Th omas&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

Woe.be.gone
05-08-2012, 02:39 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/Dungeons-Of-Debauchery/-/1719524/12726392/-/5lw4qb/-/index.html

ruh-roh......

I know, do we really want to know all of this? When talking to my mom the other day, I know she doesn't. Her comment, 'That's not love.'

Darkman00
05-08-2012, 02:45 PM
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I doubt it would have stopped Jane's murder from happening UNLESS LE carried through addressing it with BB and Jane herself.

If that's how it went down, I still feel for SV. It seems that all this came walking towards him. He didn't go looking for it.
No he DID NOT...

But all i am saying ... - i think if SV would contacted LE that his "chit for brain" buddy approached him about helping with a "hit on a some rich lady" .. - there was a VERY GOOD CHANCE that LE would approach JG about it (he had some previous legal and mental issues, btw) .. and would scare the crap out of JG (it was reported after all that even though he is a HUGE guy, he could be easily made scared) ... and more likely would squeeze out the info out of him on the names of parties involved ... and go from there...

Who knows... maybe Jane WOUILD still be alive... you never know

i am just saying...... :rolleyes:

Woe.be.gone
05-08-2012, 02:48 PM
What is with these people? We can't say they don't have brains, afterall, they are judges, presidents and other people in high places. It must be arrogance and ego. What's that when nobody can touch you? When one begins to think they're above it all? Humpty Dumpty has a big fall.
God's sense of humor I guess.

Woe.be.gone
05-08-2012, 02:52 PM
No he DID NOT...

But all i am saying ... - i think if SV would contacted LE that his "chit for brain" buddy approached him about helping with a "hit on a some rich lady" .. - there was a VERY GOOD CHANCE that LE would approach JG about it (he had some previous legal and mental issues, btw) .. and would scare the crap out of JG (it was reported after all that even though he is a HUGE guy, he could be easily made scared) ... and more likely would squeeze out the info out of him on the names of parties involved ... and go from there...

Who knows... maybe Jane WOUILD still be alive... you never know

i am just saying...... :rolleyes:

I can't help thinking about all the stalking cases and the like - when the writing is written all over the walls - but nothing can be done to protect the victim. Then what they were afraid of all along happens. That's when the stalker finally ends up in prison. So sad.

Woe.be.gone
05-08-2012, 03:03 PM
Sexy Calendar for Sexy Judge?

May 8, 2012

--- AUDIO podcast (8:30) ----

Wayne County’s good looking Judge, Wade McCree is rumored to have been offered a spot on a major publication’s calendar that features good looking men. WWJ’s Vickie Thomas shares the Judge McCree’s reaction with Charlie.

Listen at the Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2F redirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2F d0%2Fd1%2Fd0%2FdG%2Fd7%2FdN%2F10G7N_3.MP3%3Fauthto k%3D5561766999704552339_sLsVgc3YzINQ40zGE5xT12OQWM&podcast_name=Sexy+Calendar+for+Sexy+Judge%3F&podcast_artist=Charlie+Langton+%26amp%3B+Vickie+Th omas&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

Ha! I'm not buying no calendar that doesn't show the Judge's 'junk'. :what:

Darkman00
05-08-2012, 03:06 PM
LOL.... - Don't give 'em any ideas :D

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 12:09 AM
Bob Bashara's alternative lifestyle

Published On: May 08 2012 11:05:56 PM EDT

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It's the twist in the Bashara case that had everyone whispering. Are there dungeons of debauchery in quiet, local communities? Wait until you see what Defender hidden cameras reveal!

Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Defenders-talk-with-those-involved-in-Bob-Bashara-s-alternative-lifestyle/-/1719314/12886722/-/105ymydz/-/index.html

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Darkman00
05-09-2012, 01:44 AM
Oooh! ... more pics Bobby: (click on Spoiler below to view) :D


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Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/programs/awardrecognitions.html

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Source: http://www.rotary6400.org/clubs/detroit.htm

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Bob Bashara, Freshman at Albion College. Class of '80 (thanks to the original poster, Anonymous1234 & to LNSmithee)

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2012, 02:40 PM
So what's the purpose of the monthly club? To mingle with liked minded people? To learn whipping techniques? Was BB's dungeon different than the club that was described in the video? It sounds as if actual sex acts were not taking place at those monthly meetings then and there anyway.

When the video showed the bingo players, for a moment I thought those were the monthly sado club people! Too funny. Pretend I'm the club manager and I'm going over the weekly calander - today we have bingo, tomorrow the masochists meet for their monthly meeting and then Thursday the girl scouts, Friday is a wedding reception.

So was BB's dungeon a place to carry out real time sex acts?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sadomasochistic
I haven't read it (yet?) but there's a book Fifty Shades of Grey and I think it addresses a version of this type of encounter - more the submissive nature type.

amandab
05-09-2012, 02:59 PM
So what's the purpose of the monthly club? To mingle with liked minded people? To learn whipping techniques? Was BB's dungeon different than the club that was described in the video? It sounds as if actual sex acts were not taking place at those monthly meetings then and there anyway.


While I can't speak for everyone, I can tell you that this club in particular, which I have attended, is for many of the reasons you listed.

Partly to mingle with like-minded people. Partly to learn from each other; techniques, safety, and the like.

I'd never attended any party at BB's place (nor have I ever met him), so I cannot speak to whether or not sex acts were taking place at his dungeon. Though at Deviations, actual sex acts do not take place.

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2012, 04:01 PM
amandab, thank you for answering. That's good to know because if that weren't so, it likens to more of an orgy and, to me, it's weird when people can be so public when it comes to the act of sex itself.

You know Adam Lambert? He was on American Idol and I loved his performances and voted for him tons of times each week. Apparently, he had toned down his real persona for his Idol performances. I knew he was gay but that has nothing to do with my liking him. But then it did. When he performed on the American Music Awards his performance tilted too far into the gay world for me. If the audience had expected that and it had been an appropriate venue, alright then. What I'm getting at is I'd pay to go see his Idol performances but not his preferred (I guess) performances. I don't need that as I'm not gay and it actually kind of embarrasses me to watch it. So what I'm saying is that what people do behind closed doors is their own business if it's mutual and what they feel they need. I just don't need to know about it. Back to Adam, what bothered me the most about his choice was that it ended up hurting him. He was doing so great as a performer and had become famous and then, because of his inability to recognize his audience, took steps backwards. If that's the way he always wants/needs to perform then sobeit. But I'd love to see him perform in Idol stage ways. So I viewed it as my loss as well as his.

I know I went off topic - but not really. BB's dungeon stuff is weird to me and I believe it actually does have something to do with Jane's murder. It probably came between them over the years because (I'm guessing here) it's not what turned her on. Obviously he needed whatever it is that one gets from that type of activity. So while the dungeon is salacious (is that the right word?), it may also provide insight into BB's motive if BB was no longer able to fulfill his needs because Jane was standing in his way. It may have become an obsession with BB to live in a world where he was master. An uncooperative wife, a mistress and financial problems all led to Jane's murder I bet.What I hate about him the most though is his ability to look straight into a camera and lie about who he is. He thinks he's doing his children a favor by denying all that he is and being a liar too? Own up to your proclivities - he's so arrogant that he thinks he can snowball everyone. Sorry BB, you're not my master so I don't care what you say and the fact that you're a liar doesn't allow me to cut you any slack.

amandab
05-09-2012, 04:14 PM
woe.b.gone - thanks for answering. :) I was afraid my post would be met with many, many crickets - lol

I hear what you're saying about Adam Lambert; our opinions are much the same.

What people choose to do in private is their own business, and more often than not I'd rather not know about it.

Not knowing BB or his household, I can only speculate as to the motives for murder. If they are rooted at all in their lifestyle, then your theory may be pretty close to on the mark.

Of course, BB looks by all accounts to be an arrogant, pompous a$$....so the BDSM lifestyle may just be a titillating side story in all of this.

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 05:39 PM
Bob Bashara files new court documents following ppo from ex-mistress Rachel Gillett

Bashara won't contest ppo

Posted: 5:22 PM
Last Updated: 3 minutes ago

By: Michael Rosenfield

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DETROIT (WXYZ) - Almost two weeks after being served with a personal protection order by his one-time mistress Rachel Gillett, Bob Bashara has now responded to the ppo with new court filings Wednesday afternoon.

Bashara’s attorney, David Griem, argues there was no reason for Gillett to file a ppo in the first place, but Bashara is not contesting it nonetheless.

Griem calls Gilett’s ppo a 'self-serving document' and 'replete with rhetoric', and the one allegation of physical conduct by Bashara is when he allegedly showed up at her door and pounded on it. Griem says that's just trying to get someone's attention.

Gillett's attorney, Doraid Elder, tells Action News the response is "five pages of babble".

...

Griem challenges Gillett on several of her claims. For example, when Gillett found a cross made of palm fronds in her mailbox, Griem says Bashara had apparently done it for years and it never crossed his mind that it would come across as stalking.

Griem says Gillett has worked herself into a hysterical state, and there is no factual basis for a ppo.

Still Bashara is not asking for any modification to the ppo, in fact he says it is in the best interest of both parties.

Elder says Bashara is not contesting the ppo because he does not want to be subjected to cross-examination in a hearing.

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Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/bob-bashara-files-new-court-documents-following-ppo-from-ex-mistress-rachel-gillett

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Darkman00
05-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Bob Bashara wants to 'set record straight' about PPO filed against him

Grosse Pointe Park man, attorney say they didn't know actions would be perceived as 'stalking'

Published On: May 09 2012 05:29:40 PM EDT

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DETROIT - In a written response filed in Wayne County Circuit Court by his attorney, Bob Bashara said he wants to "set the record straight" regarding the personal protection order that was filed against him from his alleged ex-mistress.

...

Bashara said he doesn't want to "modify or set aside the PPO." He said it is in the "interests of both parities."

Bashara said he felt it was important to share his side because "silence is too easily misconstrued." ....

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-wants-to-set-record-straight-about-PPO-filed-against-him/-/1719314/12999620/-/vq8jfb/-/

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2012, 06:23 PM
Like we believe anything he says anyway. But I don't believe anything she says either.
Anybody will say anything and do anything if they think it's in their best interest to do so.
As far as I'm concerned, she's a liar too. The reason I say this is because she could have been honest and said, I got caught up with a married man. In the beginning he told me he was getting a divorce. Then one, two, three, four and five years went by and he never did. Still, I hung in there. Then Jane was murdered but I never knew that could happen.

Now that would be believable. But for RG to say she didn't know BB was married while living in THAT same town with the Basharas level of community service, that was publicized in newspapers, hanging out in a bar where peeps knew BB was a married man because they probably lived there all of their lives like he did, etc. She's a liar too. Therefore, she could be an accessory for all I know. Afterall, she hung in with him all those years willing to be his subservient - there's a loose screw there too imo.

I wonder what LE found out from Oregon. That person, being a newcomer, is more than likely innocent in any of this - but what does she know?

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 08:27 PM
Bob Bashara, a suspect in his wife's death, denies stalking accusations

7:17 PM, May 9, 2012

By Joe Swickard
Free Press Staff Writer

Bob Bashara denied in a court filing that he is stalking or menacing his former girlfriend, who sought a personal protection order against him two weeks ago.

However, the 5-page document filed by defense attorney David Griem on behalf of Bashara, a suspect in the January slaying of his wife Jane Bashara, does not ask for a hearing or a modification of the PPO obtained by Rachel Gillett, who shared an intimate friendship with him.

Griem wrote the “order is in the best interests of both parties,” but Bashara “feels an obligation to set the record straight” about the allegations in the PPO request. Bashara feared his continued silence “is too easily misconstrued,” the filing says.

“There is no factual basis for this PPO,” Griem wrote, adding that Bashara “chooses to take the high road and say no more.”

The filing comes a little more than 48 hours before Bashara is scheduled to appear on the “Dateline NBC” television program that often features true crime tales.

Gillett’s lawyer Doraid Elder dismissed the filing as “a five-page rant.”

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” Elder said. “It’s a five-page waste of paper.”

...“I’m questioning if Mr. Griem did his client a disservice by not just letting it die,’ Elder said.

Griem, citing a family emergency, declined to comment on or discuss the filing.

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More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120509/NEWS02/120509059/Bob-Bashara-a-suspect-in-his-wife-s-death-denies-stalking-accusations

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 08:52 PM
Bob Bashara's PPO response could be viewed in various sizes...

HERE: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/bob-bashara-files-new-court-documents-following-ppo-from-ex-mistress-rachel-gillett

HERE: http://www.scribd.com/doc/93053610/Bashara-PPO-Response

or HERE in PDF format: http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/12999450/data/2/-/vt0cfaz/-/Rachel-Gillett-Court-Docs-pdf.pdf


PPO in PDF format was posted above ... BUT ... if the link, at their site, dies - HERE are alternative links to download that PDF:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.4shared.com/office/GKEpIgSt/Rachel-Gillett-Court-Docs__Bob.html)

or:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.mediafire.com/?ggvlx1fdg56h477)


... or view it directly HERE in JPG format: (under Spoiler below)


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Darkman00
05-09-2012, 09:18 PM
WEDNESDAY, MAY 9, 2012

Detroit’s Local 4 News Filming of BDSM Club Irresponsible Journalism

By Sunny Megatron

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DETROIT - I just learned Detroit’s Local 4 News planted someone at a local BDSM Dungeon party and will broadcast images of the guests captured on a hidden camera on tonight’s 11pm news. The angle of the story is something to the effect of “OMG! Are there really crazy sex parties in our quiet suburban neighborhoods!?” The story will also attempt to tie a local murder suspect’s involvement with S&M to his wife’s killing.

Although faces will be blurred, it is unclear whether other identifying marks like tattoos will be obscured (they were not blurred in the promos). It is also unclear if the name/location of the venue will be revealed.

This promotional segment on “Dungeons of Debautery” has already been airing all day. Note, the clip includes audio and clear below the neck views of some party goers. I am at odds with whether or not to link to this clip. I decided to go ahead because it’s important for us to see how this subject is being portrayed. My outrage didn’t fully kick in until I saw this video with my own two eyes: Detroit’s Dungeons of Debautery. (http://www.clickondetroit.com/Dungeons-Of-Debauchery/-/1719524/12726392/-/5lw4qb/-/index.html) The text below the video reads “Are there dungeons of debauchery in quiet, local communities? Wait until you see what Defender hidden cameras reveal!”

UPDATE: The promo clip that failed to properly obscure the identities of party goers has been removed from Channel 4’s website. The full story has aired and can be seen HERE. (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Defenders-talk-with-those-involved-in-Bob-Bashara-s-alternative-lifestyle/-/1719314/12886722/-/105ymydz/-/index.html) The undercover scenes are dramatically different from the promo and the focus of the story was changed, likely due to the public outcry spearheaded by the kinky community. The story was originally called “Dungeons of Debauchery” and is now “Bob Bashara’s Alternative Lifestyle.” The station also blurred out entire bodies instead of partial faces. Unfortunately, the station did name the venue.

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"If you are as outraged as I am, please take a moment to contact Detroit’s Local 4 Investigative reporters and let them know how you feel."

Local 4 Defenders Investigator Kevin Dietz
Defender Kevin Dietz
Contact: kevind@wdiv.com
Follow: @kevindietzWDIV

Local 4 Defenders Investigator Karen Drew
Defender Karen Drew
Contact: kdrew@wdiv.com
Follow: @drewWDIV

Local 4 Defenders Investigator Marc Santia
Defender Marc Santia
Contact: marcs@wdiv.com
Follow: @marcsantia

Hank Winchester
Contact: hankw@wdiv.com
Follow: @winchesterWDIV

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Much more at the Source: http://www.chicagoden.net/2012/05/detroits-local-4-news-filming-of-bdsm.html

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 09:38 PM
May 9, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Bashara's attorney responds to woman's request for protection

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

Detroit— The attorney for Robert Bashara filed a response Wednesday to a protection order requested by his client's former girlfriend to "set the record straight" on her claims of stalking and harassment.

Bashara's attorney, David Griem, in the Wayne County Circuit Court filing called Rachel Gillett's personal protection order a "self-serving document" meant to re-create history between the pair, adding Bashara is not seeking to have the April 26 order modified or set aside.

"Considering the level of public scrutiny to which Respondent is being subjected, he feels an obligation to set the record straight when allegations of this kind (including police leaks of other alleged scandalous behavior) are leveled against him," Griem wrote in Thursday's reply...

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120509/METRO/205090458/1361/Bashara-s-attorney-responds-to-woman-s-request-for-protection

More at the Source.

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
Behold! Blurry Video Of A Dark Room Where Bob Bashara Maybe Attended A Sexy Party

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Bob Bashara once possibly attended an adult fetish party at a Lincoln Park VFW hall where (presumably when S&M parties weren’t taking place) senior citizens sometimes play bingo. Won’t someone please think of the seniors!

WDIV hidden cameras go undercover to show you, well, they don’t show you much except blurry hidden camera footage from a dark room. Hank Winchester reports no actual sex takes place at these parties, so if the video was clearer we'd see what? Overfed, middle-aged people in weird costumes getting whipped? Let's be grateful the hidden camera footage sucked.

You know, Bob Bashara may have been involved in his wife Jane’s murder. But what does his gross sex life have to do with his guilt or innocence? Based on WDIV’s report, a lot of people go to S&M parties at VFW halls, but their spouses don’t turn up dead. -- JTW

Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/266/behold_blurry_video_of_a_dark_room_where_bob_basha ra_maybe_attended_a_sexy_party

P.S.

LOL ....... :maddening:

Darkman00
05-09-2012, 10:12 PM
Bob Bashara says ex-lover lied in PPO request

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com

Posted: 05/09/12 09:46 pm

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More at the Source: http://macombdaily.com/article/20120509/NEWS/120509428/bob-bashara-says-ex-lover-lied-in-ppo-request&pager=full_story

Darkman00
05-10-2012, 07:35 AM
Not sure if this was last night .. or (more likely) will be tonight ... Pretty sure it will be on tonight!

Bob Bashara Like You've Never Heard Before

Published On: May 09 2012 06:56:58 PM EDT

---- VIDEO ----

TONIGHT AT 11 P.M. - The Exclusive, New Interview! He opens up about his relationship with another woman and for the first time ever, only The Defenders take you inside his Grosse Pointe Park home.

BB: "I did have a relationship with one other woman..."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/Bob-Bashara-Like-You-ve-Never-Heard-Before/-/1719524/13008004/-/dsr24t/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-10-2012, 08:13 AM
And here is something else "Exclusive"...... Brought to you by "Truly, Yours" ;)


Bob & Rachel ... and they DO look here VERY happy!

Enjoy!

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P.S. If "borrow" those to other site(s) ... It's appreciated that you credit the site you took them from or who provided them to you .. and NOT simply "take 'em" ;)

Darkman00
05-10-2012, 10:26 AM
from my local on-line TV Guide .. -- Dateline NBC is ON tomorrow: (below is shown in Central Time)

A man denies any involvement in his wife's death, but a sordid discovery makes police suspicious.

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TallCoolOne
05-10-2012, 11:30 AM
Oh my...... now what could this sordid discovery be?

Poor Jane, she's getting lost in all this, but perhaps that's the plan????

Woe.be.gone
05-10-2012, 03:35 PM
Bob Bashara's PPO response could be viewed in various sizes...

HERE: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/bob-bashara-files-new-court-documents-following-ppo-from-ex-mistress-rachel-gillett

HERE: http://www.scribd.com/doc/93053610/Bashara-PPO-Response

or HERE in PDF format: http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/12999450/data/2/-/vt0cfaz/-/Rachel-Gillett-Court-Docs-pdf.pdf


PPO in PDF format was posted above ... BUT ... if the link, at their site, dies - HERE are alternative links to download that PDF:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.4shared.com/office/GKEpIgSt/Rachel-Gillett-Court-Docs__Bob.html)

or:

Download PPO document (in PDF format) (http://www.mediafire.com/?ggvlx1fdg56h477)


... or view it directly HERE in JPG format: (under Spoiler below)


http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/576/page1bd.jpg
or: http://s019.radikal.ru/i616/1205/bb/b285f19b165b.jpg

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or: http://s019.radikal.ru/i624/1205/85/1bd442483401.jpg

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or: http://s019.radikal.ru/i632/1205/e7/1934823df243.jpg

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The response to the PPO makes some valid points. Not clear if RG has another motive for filing the PPO in the first place or not. Is she really afraid of BB or is she afraid she'll be implicated for having had foreknowledge of Jane's murder?

Woe.be.gone
05-10-2012, 03:51 PM
Oh my...... now what could this sordid discovery be?

Poor Jane, she's getting lost in all this, but perhaps that's the plan????

The victim always seems lost but I try to remember that we're paying attention for the purpose of seeing that justice will be serviced. Although I don't really call it 'justice' when somebody takes another person's life away - where's the justice? Not to mention the grief the murderer probably caused Jane during her life.

Those pictures of Bob all smiley with Rachel - what was Jane doing then? Her family says she wasn't in an open marriage. Those pics make me sick. Jane was working - bringing home bacon - her children adored her and apparently the charade of BB - and she ends up murdered. There's no justice. Why didn't BB just leave the house and cut his losses so Jane could find someone to dance with. People cause each other so much emotional pain and that alone should result in some kind of punishment. Oh take care of me, myself and I because I need to be whipped and need to be happy and Jane, the woman I chose won't do that - says I'm a pain in her arse. I hate Bobs.

Woe.be.gone
05-10-2012, 04:05 PM
Not sure if this was last night .. or (more likely) will be tonight ... Pretty sure it will be on tonight!

Bob Bashara Like You've Never Heard Before

Published On: May 09 2012 06:56:58 PM EDT

---- VIDEO ----

TONIGHT AT 11 P.M. - The Exclusive, New Interview! He opens up about his relationship with another woman and for the first time ever, only The Defenders take you inside his Grosse Pointe Park home.

BB: "I did have a relationship with one other woman..."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/Bob-Bashara-Like-You-ve-Never-Heard-Before/-/1719524/13008004/-/dsr24t/-/index.html

Listen closely to BB's phrasing ~ I did have a relationship with one other woman. Emphasis on the word 'one'. Now he's working on damage control and thinks we're all stoopid. Don't forget he said just a few months ago that he and Rachel are just good friends. So is the another woman, Bob? You say only 'one' other woman. Now Rachel IS the one woman? Duh, like we didn't know that already you slithery snake. If it's one, two or three other woman - hey, what about 'Oregon'? Didn't you even have the time for a one night stand?

Bob's a sociopath so never believe a word he has to say. He serves himself and no one else. If he cared about his children, he wouldn't have lived the way he was living. He's demonstrating how people like him act when they get caught. To bad for him this one is too serious to get out of. Sociopaths can seem like they're really nice people. Although some of the people Bob has known casually aren't even claiming that - they say he didn't look them in their eyes and was basically rude to them. But he's trying to turn on the charm now - too late.

Darkman00
05-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Not sure if this was last night .. or (more likely) will be tonight ... Pretty sure it will be on tonight!

Bob Bashara Like You've Never Heard Before

Published On: May 09 2012 06:56:58 PM EDT

---- VIDEO ----

TONIGHT AT 11 P.M. - The Exclusive, New Interview! He opens up about his relationship with another woman and for the first time ever, only The Defenders take you inside his Grosse Pointe Park home.

BB: "I did have a relationship with one other woman..."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/Bob-Bashara-Like-You-ve-Never-Heard-Before/-/1719524/13008004/-/dsr24t/-/index.html
Bob Bashara: I had a relationship with 1 other woman

Bob Bashara opens up about personal life, relationship with his murdered wife, Jane Bashara, other woman

Published On: May 10 2012 10:59:32 PM EDT

---- VIDEO & TEXT ----

DETROIT -
Nearly four months have gone by.

Bob Bashara faces no charges. He has complied with police on several occasions giving statements, DNA, even hand writing samples. While his future hangs in the balance, it's his personal life taking center stage...

....

When asked about his involvement in the S&M community, Bob Bashara didn't have much to say.

"It was a private part of my life," he said. "It was nothing, had nothing to do with Jane. And people talk about that dark side. They don't even know about what that ... what's involved with that. They think of the terrible notion of different things. But they don't know. They don't know what was going on. And I really don't feel like I can discuss that at this point, knowing that there may be an impending case."

However, Bashara does speak at length about another aspect of his personal life: The other woman.

In an exclusive interview with Dateline, Bashara made an admission about Rachel Gillett. He gave a very different answer than the one he gave the Local 4 Defenders three months earlier....

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http://www.clickondetroit.com/image/view/-/13067396/highRes/1/-/k132rbz/-/Bob-Bashara-at-Grosse-Pointe-Park-home-jpg.jpg

More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Bob-Bashara-I-had-a-relationship-with-1-other-woman/-/4714498/13067010/-/kihr09z/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Bob Bashara's Interview with Dateline:

But Bashara told Dateline's Dennis Murphy about Rachel just weeks ago.

"You know, I do not want to get into a lot of this because of my children," Bashara said. "But I will tell you that I did have, I had a relationship with one other woman."

He said that woman was Rachel Gillett.

"But it has nothing to do with this case," Bashara said. "Anything to do with the death of Jane ... nothing at all."

Bashara said he went to marriage counseling with Jane about a year ago. he never intended to leave his wife and theory of killing Jane to make room for Rachel is absurd, he said.

"That is so untrue," he said. "Because Rachel had those dreams of, of the white picket fence and the other person. She wanted that life. And I wasn't able to give it to her. I didn't leave Jane. I had no interest in leaving Jane. Jane and I were in love."

Bashara described his relationship with his wife. He said they had "an understanding on certain things."

"We had an understanding, correct," he said. "And that's what people are gonna find hard to believe. Her family, her friends, but they don't know what our relationship was about. So yes, we had an understanding. And I would never, ever hurt her or my children."

Bashara said you cannot believe everything you see online, especially in blogs.

"If you read these blogs, these people don't know anything about anything," he said. "They write on it simply because they have a life that's meaningless. And they live their lives through these blogs. As far as Rachel's concerned, she wrote about a lot of things. She was a big writer, fantasy. She wanted the, like I said, the white picket fence. And I couldn't give it to her."

From inside his Grosse Pointe Park home, the location where he believes Jane was killed, Bob Bashara said the focus should not be on his private life or on the media frenzy that has become a mess, but instead on finding justice for Jane. He vows he had nothing to do with his wife's murder.

"I'm not a violent man. I'm a pacifist, actually," he said. "I don't own a gun. I am not violent. I stopped playing football because I didn't like hitting people. I loved my wife dearly ... loved my wife. The mother of my children. I would never harm a hair on her head."

During the days following Bashara's interview with Dateline, his former mistress Rachel Gillett filed a personal protection order against him.

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Bob-Bashara-I-had-a-relationship-with-1-other-woman/-/4714498/13067010/-/kihr09z/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 02:59 AM
Bob Bashara admits he had mistress

Published On: May 10 2012 10:59:28 PM EDT

In an exclusive interview with Dateline, Bob Bashara talked about his life with his late wife, Jane, and another woman.

----- VIDEO ----- (4:17)

LOL ... one of pics that i posted in one of my above posts ... - is already in that Video :D

Couple of pics from the VIDEO..... (below)

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They also said ... "On morning news .. you will hear more from this interview .. you will hear some harsh words from Bob Bashara to Joe Gentz"

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Bob-Bashara-admits-he-had-mistress/-/4714498/13068094/-/2tknnvz/-/index.html

cluciano63
05-11-2012, 04:29 AM
JMO, I wish the title of this thread would be changed so as not to say, "Woman" before Jane's name...I don't know why it bothers me, it just does...:(

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 01:02 PM
Bob Bashara opens up about Joe Gentz connection

Husband of slain Grosse Pointe Park mother says handyman is lying about what happened

Published On: May 11 2012 10:48:51 AM EDT

Bashara opens up about Joe Gentz

---- VIDEO (4:01) & TEXT ----

DETROIT -
In a new exclusive interview, Bob Bashara shares the connection he has with the man who is charged in his wife’s murder.

Bashara’s wife, Jane, was found dead in the back her SUV in Detroit on Jan. 25. Bashara had reported her missing the night before.

A man known to the family, Joe Gentz, has been charged with her murder.

“I knew he wasn’t playing with a full deck. I knew he had some issues,” Bashara said.

In October 2011, Bashara says he was introduced to Gentz because Gentz was looking for a place to live and Bashara knew about several rental properties.

“I was nice enough to help him get a place to live. I actually put power in my name for him because he had issues with the local utility,” Bashara said. “And, for whatever reason, again, me being a nice guy, I put the power in my name.”

Through odd jobs, Bashara says he eventually paid Gentz to do some handyman work at a rental property and his own home.

In a previous interview with Local 4, Bashara had said Gentz never met Jane.

Marc Santia: “Did Joe ever meet Jane?”

Bashara: “At that time? No. … it was during the day, she was at work.”

But in his most recent interview with Dateline, Bashara said the handyman did have a face-to-face encounter with Jane.

“He had did some yard work out back, he had met Jane out in the back,” Bashara said. “She brought us iced tea one day while we were cleaning up some shrubbery and preparing the back yard for winter.”

Sources close to Jane’s murder investigation have told Local 4 that Gentz has told investigators he was contracted by Bashara to do the killing.

“I’m not a nefarious person, but I’m certainly not going to hire an idiot to kill my wife in my garage. Doesn’t make sense and because it’s not true,” Bashara said. “I have nothing to do with that. I am a loving husband, was a loving husband. “

In Bashara’s interview with Dateline’s Dennis Murphy, he says Gentz is lying.

Dennis Murphy: “Did you murder your wife? Did you cause her death?”

Bashara: “Absolutely not.”

Dennis Murphy: “Were you in cahoots with this handyman guy?”

Bashara: “No.”

Bashara says Gentz began demanding more jobs and money. So, Bashara said, he tried to distance himself.

Bashara said he thinks Gentz went to his home on Jan. 24 while Jane was home.

“He must have come over here looking for me, I wasn’t here on the 24th, ran across Jane and said, ‘I’m here to see Bob,’ or ‘I need to talk to Bob.’ She probably told him, ‘He’s not here.’ Maybe he pushed her? Maybe he came in and … I don’t know what happened,” Bashara said. “I got to imagine that Jane told him to ‘go to hell, get out of my house.’ And he snapped.”

Gentz is currently locked up in the Dickerson jail in Hamtramck, awaiting a preliminary hearing that is set for June.

Dateline: Secrets in the Suburbs airs at 10 p.m. Friday on Local 4.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-opens-up-about-Joe-Gentz-connection/-/1719314/13071960/-/d1rskp/-/

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 01:26 PM
Dateline's preview of tonight's show: (pretty good quality!)

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Source: Dateline NBC: News stories about crime, celebrity and health

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/47362418#47362418

More photos: (Click on Spoiler below to view)


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chewet
05-11-2012, 01:55 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to The Hinky Meter????

celebrationmd
05-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Is it permanent?:eek:

chewet
05-11-2012, 02:58 PM
Is it permanent?:eek:

I have no clue, Celebrationmd! Signed back on last night to see comments re this 11 pm news "appearance" and was only able to read Valhall's piece about her dad, hateful people, etc. The last part was something about no more blog, I think, but I'm not sure!!! Then swooosh! No more Hinky Meter. My heart breaks for her! Now, if it has anything to do with this case -- the timing freaked me out! -- I am more than concerned. Am trying to reach WDIV right now, as they were the ones following the blog from the get-go (they took the "Motive for Murder" part seriously when other outlets hadn't quite explored it all yet).

angelindisguyz
05-11-2012, 04:06 PM
He is so full of bs!! Soooo many lies and when he tries to come forward and tell the truth, more lies!! Was he not able to give RG the picket fence because he got caught up in a murder, his mortgage wasn't approved, or did RG just shut down? I don't believe that was because of his marriage and I don't think JB let him have an open marriage. Why else would he be purchasing a house and having Ms Oregon come here?
Just his facial expressions as he told his story looked like he was lying, IMO. A "poor me", I've been judged wrong act and I'm not buying it!!

angelindisguyz
05-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to The Hinky Meter????

:what: OMG! Didn't know that. I can't get any page to load. :pullhair:

Wonder what happened?

chewet
05-11-2012, 04:24 PM
:what: OMG! Didn't know that. I can't get any page to load. :pullhair:

Wonder what happened?

Angel, now the domain name is up for sale! *goosebumps* Swoosh! Gone! Vanished!!! Valhall was the FIRST to get "Motive for Murder" on target and get media listening and now.... just as Dateline is about to air? Her members uncovered the Alt postings, the first photos, etc. Everything network news started using. She was credited for it as well. And now, she's gone. It worries me! I hope she is OK.

angelindisguyz
05-11-2012, 04:25 PM
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“He must have come over here looking for me, I wasn’t here on the 24th, ran across Jane and said, ‘I’m here to see Bob,’ or ‘I need to talk to Bob.’ She probably told him, ‘He’s not here.’ Maybe he pushed her? Maybe he came in and … I don’t know what happened,” Bashara said. “I got to imagine that Jane told him to ‘go to hell, get out of my house.’ And he snapped.”




How odd!! The man never snapped THAT BAD on anyone else before, even with his anger issues. I have to believe that someone has ticked him off pretty bad before and he never murdered anyone. So why on earth would he just snap and kill JB? Doesn't make sense to me.

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 05:39 PM
Bashara opens up about Joe Gentz

Published On: May 11 2012 10:48:01 AM EDT

In a new exclusive interview, Bob Bashara shares the connection he has with the man who is charged in his wife’s murder.

VIDEO only is HERE:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Bashara-opens-up-about-Joe-Gentz/-/1719418/13071214/-/gxi7pr/-/index.html

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 05:43 PM
I Had Affair With Rachel. I Did Not Kill Jane.

More at the Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/294/i_had_affair_with_rachel_i_did_not_kill_jane

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 05:50 PM
Big Bob Bashara goes national
on Dateline NBC

By: Ben Burns 05.11.2012

Folks have been asking us why we aren’t covering the Jane Bashara murder case like a blanket. GrossePointeToday.com is a community news and information website. We strive in our news items to follow Dragnet’s Jack Webb’s advice: "Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts." We are somewhat more opinionated in our columns.

But the fact is, as of a glorious sunny Friday in May, there is no real news about Bob Bashara, the victim’s husband. Yet Channel 4 is airing a series at 11 p.m. sorting through the details and incidents of his life, including an interview with Big Bob. Dateline NBC sent out a media release touting their roll-through of the case Friday night at 10 p.m.

The fact is, if you want to review what the state and national media are running on the case you can check our home page for our aggregated list of stories elsewhere that refer to Grosse Pointe.

Like the rest of the news media we have questions, but no answers. When we get answers we will put them up on the website.

For example:


Why is handyman Joe Gentz charged with conspiracy to commit murder and no conspirator is named?


Why did Grosse Pointe police delay for two days a search of the Bashara Middlesex home?


Why did 10 days pass before a forensics team examined the garage?


Who was responsible for breaking the chain of evidence and the loss of the clothes Jane Bashara was wearing when she was brutally strangled and left in Detroit in the back seat of her SUV?


None of those questions is going to be answered by interviewing Bob Bashara or noting his movements around town or his attendance at the annual Mayors’ Prayer Breakfast.

He has told several different tales of the facts that are known in the case.
Some should be eventually answered by the Wayne County Prosecutor’s office.

The tragedy in all of this is the loss of Jane Bashara, a warm, friendly person and competent marketing executive who helped make the Grosse Pointes a better place to live with her community involvement. We should never lose sight of that.

Dungeon sex antics, the other woman, bad business dealings, rumors and Bob sightings are all distractions from finding the facts of Jane’s slaying and seeing that justice is done.

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Source: http://grossepointetoday.com/people/ben-burns/002819-big-bob-bashara-goes-nationalon-dateline-nbc

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 06:11 PM
Bob Bashara says investigators have gone too far

Husband of slain Grosse Pointe Park woman says police 'have been terrible'

Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders
Published On: May 11 2012 06:01:09 PM EDT

GROSSE POINTE PARK, Mich. -
As a person of interest in his wife's murder, Bob Bashara has met with police, given statements, DNA, and even handwriting samples.

But Bashara, who has not been charged, says investigators have gone too far with his friends, family, and Rachel Gillett -- the woman he had an extra-marital relationship with for three years.

"The police have been terrible," he said. "They've been terrible in leaking, corrupting. They've corrupted (Rachel), turned her against me. They've turned friends of ours against me ... to think that I could harm my lovely wife ... is unthinkable to me. And everyone that knows us is struggling with this because they know Jane and I had a special relationship."

In an interview with Dateline's Dennis Murphy at the Bashara home in Grosse Pointe Park, Bob Bashara said during the months since Jane's death, his private life has been thrust into the spotlight and it has affected his family, especially his daughter Jessie.

"Well, you know what, she's not happy about, about the other situation," he said. "But she firmly knows I had nothing to do with killing her mother, as does her brother. Jane and her were very close. And she's hurt. She's mad. Not happy with me about the, about the Rachel thing. But you know, again, when this is all said and done and I have the chance to explain to her and my son and others that are close to me what the relationship was like between Jane and I, and why I was even involved in the other situation, you'll say, 'Oh OK, well, I guess I understand now. It's a little clearer.' But I need to get past this first."

Bashara said his children are grieving.

"They terribly miss their mother," he said. "My daughter especially. My daughter is an absolute sweetheart. She misses her mother dearly."

As far as being under the microscope in a city where he was born and raised, Bashara says when this is all said and done, he hopes to stay in Grosse Pointe Park.

"I don't want to leave here," he said. "I love this community. I love this community. I may stay in Grosse Pointe. But when I am acquitted of all this and when this all by me, 'cause I will get by this. I will get by this. That's my hope and prayer. I may still stay in Grosse Pointe. To heck with the, what people think."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-says-investigators-have-gone-too-far/-/1719314/13092416/-/293elh/-/

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 06:28 PM
So, do people think Valhall's site closing down has something to do with her covering issues surrounding Jane's murder?

Or is it just that she's burnt out and needs time to sort out and deal with personal issues?

Does it sound as if she was being harrassed or something to suddenly pull her site? Maybe she's just fed up with trying to maintain it?

Whatever the reasons, I wish her well and hope she gets some rest and is able to resolve her feelings towards her mother. I'm sure she did the best she knew how to do at the time while trying to cope with her father's illness. It sounds as if she loves him very much.

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 06:38 PM
Are Jane's clothes still missing? I thought that they had been found.
Do we know for sure? Was it a reporting mistake or are they still lost - left behind at the autopsy location?

Old_Hippie
05-11-2012, 07:02 PM
So, do people think Valhall's site closing down has something to do with her covering issues surrounding Jane's murder?

Or is it just that she's burnt out and needs time to sort out and deal with personal issues?

Does it sound as if she was being harrassed or something to suddenly pull her site? Maybe she's just fed up with trying to maintain it?

Whatever the reasons, I wish her well and hope she gets some rest and is able to resolve her feelings towards her mother. I'm sure she did the best she knew how to do at the time while trying to cope with her father's illness. It sounds as if she loves him very much.

Hi,

I just joined here today. I've been on HM several months. I believe Val shut it down because things got very ugly on the Trayvon Martin thread over the last several days; last night she posted a couple of really melt-down type posts on that thread. She was being criticized by some posters because of all the people who have been posting very ugly things about the victim and his family, over the last few days. It was a real mess. So, there were two very frustrated posts by Val, with threats to shut the thread down, which did happen, shortly followed by the whole site going off line.

Just thought you might like to know, I think the TM thread finished her off. That's my best guess.

Have a great weekend.

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 07:15 PM
Bob Bashara says investigators have gone too far


Author: Marc Santia, Local 4 Defenders
Published On: May 11 2012 06:01:09 PM EDT

'snipped' . . . . . . thrust into the spotlight and it has affected his family, especially his daughter Jessie.

"Well, you know what, she's not happy about, about the other situation," he said. "But she firmly knows I had nothing to do with killing her mother, as does her brother. Jane and her were very close. And she's hurt. She's mad. Not happy with me about the, about the Rachel thing. But you know, again, when this is all said and done and I have the chance to explain to her and my son and others that are close to me what the relationship was like between Jane and I, and why I was even involved in the other situation, you'll say, 'Oh OK, well, I guess I understand now. It's a little clearer.' But I need to get past this first."

Bashara said his children are grieving.

"They terribly miss their mother," he said. "My daughter especially. My daughter is an absolute sweetheart. She misses her mother dearly."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-says-investigators-have-gone-too-far/-/1719314/13092416/-/293elh/-/

1st bbm - 'Not happy with me about the, about the Rachel thing.'
BB is acting clueless and is minimizing both his daughter's legitimate feelings and, I must add, those of Rachel. I'm sure BB told things to Rachel over the years to create the hope in her that he says she had for 'the white picket fence life'. He minimizes his role or his responsibility for creating the feelings that both his daughter and Rachel have but for different reasons. The reason they're both crushed is due to BB's actions and BB's promises and BB's lies, even if he isn't responsible for Jane's murder. Do others hear how he doesn't admit that?

More minimizing - 'when this is all said and done'
Ugh! It's not like a speeding ticket or even a DUI that one might learn from.

And, 'But I need to get past this first.'
He needs to get past what before he can fully explain to his daughter why he treated her mother/his wife like he did. What can he possibly say to explain it - he's delusional and likes to hear his own excuses even if he's the only one who believes them.

I hope Jessie will find someone she can talk to to sort out her feelings, to vent and grieve apart from her father who she'll probably have to separate herself from. He's not who she thought he was so that's like another death to her.

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 07:22 PM
Bob Bashara says police investigators 'have been terrible'

Published On: May 11 2012 06:38:06 PM EDT

---- VIDEO (3:19) ----

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In an interview with Dateline's Dennis Murphy at the Bashara home in Grosse Pointe Park, Bob Bashara said during the months since Jane's death, his private life has been thrust into the spotlight and it has affected his family, especially his daughter Jessie.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Bob-Bashara-says-police-investigators-have-been-terrible/-/1719418/13094652/-/1pea37z/-/index.html

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 07:29 PM
Hi,

I just joined here today. I've been on HM several months. I believe Val shut it down because things got very ugly on the Trayvon Martin thread over the last several days; last night she posted a couple of really melt-down type posts on that thread. She was being criticized by some posters because of all the people who have been posting very ugly things about the victim and his family, over the last few days. It was a real mess. So, there were two very frustrated posts by Val, with threats to shut the thread down, which did happen, shortly followed by the whole site going off line.

Just thought you might like to know, I think the TM thread finished her off. That's my best guess.

Have a great weekend.

Thanks and Welcome to WS Old_Hippie. 60's or 70's?

I wonder if it's something with the solar system - I've been feeling angrier than usual too and some of my posts reflect that - to the extent we're allowed anger around here anyway (which is a good thing).

Old_Hippie
05-11-2012, 07:39 PM
Thanks and Welcome to WS Old_Hippie. 60's or 70's?

I wonder if it's something with the solar system - I've been feeling angrier than usual too and some of my posts reflect that - to the extent we're allowed anger around here anyway (which is a good thing).

Thanks! Mid '60's to mid 70's ish! :woohoo:

Shame about HM; I've been lurking here on WS for a while, so I joined because I'm was having forum withdrawals! Glad to be here! Happy Sleuthing!

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 07:46 PM
I'll be watching Dateline tonight. Hope I can handle it! :seeya:

angelindisguyz
05-11-2012, 08:23 PM
Welcome Old Hippie! Glad to have new reading material! :seeya:

bb complains that the media is so mean to him. Good Grief, he set himself up with the double and secret life that he led.

As for his Daughter, he should of thought of that when he started sneaking around. As many years that he cheated and all the public places and pictures that him and RG have had, it was just a matter of time before she found out. It wasn't just JB that he cheated on, I think it was his friends and family as well. Bet he doesn't see it THAT way. :rolleyes:

celebrationmd
05-11-2012, 09:04 PM
I, too, hope that Val is ok and works out her personal issues. I really enjoyed THM. Looking forward to keeping up here on Websleuths.

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 09:20 PM
I'll be watching Dateline tonight. Hope I can handle it! :seeya:
I will watch it too. :blushing:

I guess it will start in about 40 minutes or so ... at 10 p.m. Eastern Time (9 p.m. Central Time) on our NBC here in :canada:

Kimster
05-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Discussing the Hinky Meter being shut down is completely off topic. Please discuss this case and not the Hinky Meter or ValHall, who is a respected member here.

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Bashara Admits To Affair During TV Interview

May 11, 2012 9:34 PM

GROSSE POINTE PARK (WWJ) - Some admissions Friday night in the case of murdered Jane Bashara of Grosse Pointe Park.

Her husband Bob stars in an episode of Dateline NBC, during which he admits he had an affair and says he had an understanding about it with his wife.

As for the allegations of S and M lifestyle, Bashara will only say: ”I did have a relationship with one other woman.”

Bashara admits to having an affair with Rachel Gillette and he says his wife Jane knew about it.

“We had an understanding – correct – and that’s what people are going to find hard to believe; her family, her friends, but they don’t know what our relationship was about,” he said....

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Read more at the Source:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/05/11/bashara-admits-to-affair-during-tv-interview/

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 10:19 PM
They showed some woman on Dateline ... who was in Bob's dungeon .. she didn't even hide her face :)

All other dungeon visitors that i saw to-date always hid their appearance.....

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2012, 10:44 PM
It just became clear as to why BB's team reported missing clothes - Jane wasn't wearing a bra and JG told that to LE as a detail in his account of what happened. JG said that when he and BB moved Jane's body from the floor of the garage into her car her shirt had moved up exposing her breasts. BB pulled the shirt down and uttered, 'sorry baby'.

At the recovery scene they never found Jane's bra because she hadn't been wearing one. That small detail matches up with JG's account to LE of what he and BB did to Jane.

Darkman00
05-11-2012, 10:53 PM
From Dateline:

When Gentz kills Jane ... they (Gentz and Bob) lift her up to throw in the vehicle .. her breasts were showing from the blouse ... ------ Bob pulls up the blouse, says "I am sorry, baby" .. and then they throw Jane in the car.

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 12:01 AM
Family friend remembers Bashara couple

Season 2012 : Episode 0511

May 11: A family friend, Kim Towar, shares her thoughts and memories on Bob and Jane Bashara. This web extra video is from the Dateline report 'Secret in the Suburbs' from Friday, May 11th.

----- VIDEO -----

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1859/clipboard01wu.jpg

Source:

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/family-friend-remembers-bashara-couple/6cl12b5

or:

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/family-friend-remembers-bashara-couple/17y63mi6j


Extra photos: (click on Spoiler below to view)


http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7528/clipboard02se.jpg

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/636/clipboard03ag.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8787/clipboard04s.jpg

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Bashara's Dateline interview raises questions

Published On: May 11 2012 07:12:09 PM EDT

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http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8742/clipboard01jom.jpg

"He was readily talking about his otherwise reputed affair."

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Bashara-s-Dateline-interview-raises-questions/-/1719418/13092740/-/13f6xnj/-/index.html

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migraine
05-12-2012, 06:37 AM
"Sorry Baby" Ugh... I just may get sick.....

Nieschk
05-12-2012, 07:22 AM
Thanks and Welcome to WS Old_Hippie. 60's or 70's?

I wonder if it's something with the solar system - I've been feeling angrier than usual too and some of my posts reflect that - to the extent we're allowed anger around here anyway (which is a good thing).

Woe, thank God you said something about your anger... I too have been feeling angrier than usual and I thought it was just me. I recognize the anger I am feeling but could not understand why as I am usually a laid back easy going kind of person.

lauriej
05-12-2012, 09:48 AM
They showed some woman on Dateline ... who was in Bob's dungeon .. she didn't even hide her face :)

All other dungeon visitors that i saw to-date always hid their appearance.....

--they said she was wearing "theatrical make-up" to disguise her real appearance.

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 10:01 AM
Yes .. the wig maybe etc.. but the face was hers (more or less) .. pretty sure :D

shazammy
05-12-2012, 10:40 AM
--they said she was wearing "theatrical make-up" to disguise her real appearance.

I would bet that "Lynn," the disguised woman from Dateline, is "Cybelle" from the Alt blog. What she said, and what was written by "Cybelle" on Alt is very similar

khintx
05-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Glad to find you guys!
kh

BlarneyBoy
05-12-2012, 03:44 PM
Bob Bashara opens up about Joe Gentz connection

Husband of slain Grosse Pointe Park mother says handyman is lying about what happened

Published On: May 11 2012 10:48:51 AM EDT

Bashara opens up about Joe Gentz

---- VIDEO (4:01) & TEXT ----

DETROIT -
In a new exclusive interview, Bob Bashara shares the connection he has with the man who is charged in his wife’s murder.

Bashara’s wife, Jane, was found dead in the back her SUV in Detroit on Jan. 25. Bashara had reported her missing the night before.

A man known to the family, Joe Gentz, has been charged with her murder.

“I knew he wasn’t playing with a full deck. I knew he had some issues,” Bashara said.

In October 2011, Bashara says he was introduced to Gentz because Gentz was looking for a place to live and Bashara knew about several rental properties.

“I was nice enough to help him get a place to live. I actually put power in my name for him because he had issues with the local utility,” Bashara said. “And, for whatever reason, again, me being a nice guy, I put the power in my name.”

Through odd jobs, Bashara says he eventually paid Gentz to do some handyman work at a rental property and his own home.

In a previous interview with Local 4, Bashara had said Gentz never met Jane.

Marc Santia: “Did Joe ever meet Jane?”

Bashara: “At that time? No. … it was during the day, she was at work.”

But in his most recent interview with Dateline, Bashara said the handyman did have a face-to-face encounter with Jane.

“He had did some yard work out back, he had met Jane out in the back,” Bashara said. “She brought us iced tea one day while we were cleaning up some shrubbery and preparing the back yard for winter.”

Sources close to Jane’s murder investigation have told Local 4 that Gentz has told investigators he was contracted by Bashara to do the killing.

“I’m not a nefarious person, but I’m certainly not going to hire an idiot to kill my wife in my garage. Doesn’t make sense and because it’s not true,” Bashara said. “I have nothing to do with that. I am a loving husband, was a loving husband. “

In Bashara’s interview with Dateline’s Dennis Murphy, he says Gentz is lying.

Dennis Murphy: “Did you murder your wife? Did you cause her death?”

Bashara: “Absolutely not.”

Dennis Murphy: “Were you in cahoots with this handyman guy?”

Bashara: “No.”

Bashara says Gentz began demanding more jobs and money. So, Bashara said, he tried to distance himself.

Bashara said he thinks Gentz went to his home on Jan. 24 while Jane was home.

“He must have come over here looking for me, I wasn’t here on the 24th, ran across Jane and said, ‘I’m here to see Bob,’ or ‘I need to talk to Bob.’ She probably told him, ‘He’s not here.’ Maybe he pushed her? Maybe he came in and … I don’t know what happened,” Bashara said. “I got to imagine that Jane told him to ‘go to hell, get out of my house.’ And he snapped.”

Gentz is currently locked up in the Dickerson jail in Hamtramck, awaiting a preliminary hearing that is set for June.

Dateline: Secrets in the Suburbs airs at 10 p.m. Friday on Local 4.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Bob-Bashara-opens-up-about-Joe-Gentz-connection/-/1719314/13071960/-/d1rskp/-/

Love the "I'm a pacifist" --- one who likes to whip women!

BlarneyBoy
05-12-2012, 03:48 PM
It just became clear as to why BB's team reported missing clothes - Jane wasn't wearing a bra and JG told that to LE as a detail in his account of what happened. JG said that when he and BB moved Jane's body from the floor of the garage into her car her shirt had moved up exposing her breasts. BB pulled the shirt down and uttered, 'sorry baby'.

At the recovery scene they never found Jane's bra because she hadn't been wearing one. That small detail matches up with JG's account to LE of what he and BB did to Jane.

That JG reported her not wearing a bra and LE not finding one doesn't mean much --- after all, JG confessed to the murder and that it happened in the Bashara garage. He didn't need to corroborate anything really, --- his bruises and torn jacket were enough.

BlarneyBoy
05-12-2012, 04:09 PM
So, do people think Valhall's site closing down has something to do with her covering issues surrounding Jane's murder?

Or is it just that she's burnt out and needs time to sort out and deal with personal issues?

Does it sound as if she was being harrassed or something to suddenly pull her site? Maybe she's just fed up with trying to maintain it?

Whatever the reasons, I wish her well and hope she gets some rest and is able to resolve her feelings towards her mother. I'm sure she did the best she knew how to do at the time while trying to cope with her father's illness. It sounds as if she loves him very much.

On the Reality Chatter it was reported that Val got fed up with the viciousness on the Trayvon Martin thread. Why not just shut down that thread though?

Woe.be.gone
05-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Love the "I'm a pacifist" --- one who likes to whip women!

I know - that remark darn near knocked me over. :woohoo:

Woe.be.gone
05-12-2012, 04:44 PM
That JG reported her not wearing a bra and LE not finding one doesn't mean much --- after all, JG confessed to the murder and that it happened in the Bashara garage. He didn't need to corroborate anything really, --- his bruises and torn jacket were enough.

I beg to differ. Those are the type of details that LE look for when deciding if peeps are telling the truth. Believe it or not, cuz it's hard to believe, people frequently make false confessions and tell LE all kinds of lies. So I guess when JG gave the account of the shirt moving up and then the bra was missing, it gives credence to JG's account of what happened and may indicate the rest of what he told LE is accurate also. Plus, considering BB's alledged role in Jane's murder, and trying to uncover the truth about it, BB's response would be a detail that would be hard to make up imo. It sounds like a spontaneous incident that is likely to have happened. That's how I interpret the info anyway.

Woe.be.gone
05-12-2012, 04:55 PM
Family friend remembers Bashara couple

Season 2012 : Episode 0511

May 11: A family friend, Kim Towar, shares her thoughts and memories on Bob and Jane Bashara. This web extra video is from the Dateline report 'Secret in the Suburbs' from Friday, May 11th.

----- VIDEO -----

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1859/clipboard01wu.jpg

Source:

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/family-friend-remembers-bashara-couple/6cl12b5

or:

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/family-friend-remembers-bashara-couple/17y63mi6j


Extra photos: (click on Spoiler below to view)


http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7528/clipboard02se.jpg

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/636/clipboard03ag.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8787/clipboard04s.jpg


She sounds as if she supports Bob. I'm afraid that she is thinking about the good times they had and it's too difficult for her to accept the truth.

The only other scenario I can imagine is that RG hired JG and framed Bob. That's the angle the defense (if BB's ever arrested) will take I bet. But is there any evidence that points to that because JG is saying it is BB who was standing in the garage giving him orders. Why would JG remain loyal to RG?

Woe.be.gone
05-12-2012, 05:15 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with their Internet connection?

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 05:18 PM
On the Reality Chatter it was reported that Val got fed up with the viciousness on the Trayvon Martin thread. Why not just shut down that thread though?
It was also mentioned at the forum HERE ... in this post actually: (click on the link below to view it)

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MI - Woman, Jane Bashara, Found Strangled - #2

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 05:51 PM
Dateline NBC on facebook ... Bashara case discussion:

http://www.facebook.com/datelinenbc/posts/131073727026927

-- almost 400 comments posted there already, looks like ...

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 05:55 PM
Glad to find you guys!
kh

Welcome, khintx ;)

Jan_53
05-12-2012, 08:37 PM
Im sorry to see Hinky gone, but thankful to have found this site! Did anyone else notice the ever do conspicuous glass that Big Blob was drinking out of during the interview? 'you're the man Bob'. BARF!!!

Jan_53
05-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Im sorry to see Hinky gone, but thankful to have found this site! Did anyone else notice the ever do conspicuous glass that Big Blob was drinking out of during the interview? 'you're the man Bob'. BARF!!!

Darkman00
05-12-2012, 08:44 PM
...

Did anyone else notice the ever do conspicuous glass that Big Blob was drinking out of during the interview? 'you're the man Bob'. BARF!!!
YES .. lol :please:

Waiting for some Video of Dateline online .. so i can capture that glass and convert it into picture......

Probably was presented to him by someone .. some time ago.

angelindisguyz
05-12-2012, 11:50 PM
Im sorry to see Hinky gone, but thankful to have found this site! Did anyone else notice the ever do conspicuous glass that Big Blob was drinking out of during the interview? 'you're the man Bob'. BARF!!!

I did notice that but didn't catch what it was. He made sure he had that in camera view. His ego needs it's own zip code. :rolleyes:

jking
05-13-2012, 12:23 PM
She sounds as if she supports Bob. I'm afraid that she is thinking about the good times they had and it's too difficult for her to accept the truth.

The only other scenario I can imagine is that RG hired JG and framed Bob. That's the angle the defense (if BB's ever arrested) will take I bet. But is there any evidence that points to that because JG is saying it is BB who was standing in the garage giving him orders. Why would JG remain loyal to RG?

I can't imagine there is any evidence pointing to that scenario. Surely LE checked out RG's whereabouts at the time of the murder and eliminated her as a suspect early on. Also, I don't think JG could have kept his story together about BB this long, if RG was the one who hired him.

I'm sure your right though, that BB's defense will push that angle.

shazammy
05-13-2012, 04:36 PM
I was just told BigBob was caught rifling through Rachel Gillett's garbage, and that LE knows. Anyone seen this on the news or have any more details? This seems too good to be true, but is from a good source.

Darkman00
05-13-2012, 04:55 PM
shazammy .. when did this occur? ... just recently or?

shazammy
05-13-2012, 05:00 PM
I'm assuming--I don't really know. Every other time I've got an update like this, it's been right when [whatever] was going down, but I haven't heard anything else regarding this yet.

Darkman00
05-13-2012, 05:53 PM
Dateline Shows Dark Side of Bashara and Grosse Pointe

By Bill McGraw | May 12th, 2012, 9:24 AM

Bob Bashara opened his home and his heart to NBC's Dateline Friday night, but the result was a tale of a Grosse Pointe Park sex dungeon for a national audience. What did he expect?

...

Bashara has been defensive toward local media outlets, but he welcomed Dateline into his home, showing off the pond, burbling water and ferns in his backyard, and allowing the camera to capture him leafing through a book in the living room, next to a glass that carried the words “You’re the Man, Bob”.

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More at the Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/321/dateline_shows_dark_side_of_bashara_and_grosse_poi nte

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michmi
05-13-2012, 10:02 PM
I'm just catching up on the case...I dropped away because I lost my mom on April 1. I'm back, such as I am.

Shazammy, wow!

shazammy
05-13-2012, 10:19 PM
pretty sure it's nothing, for every good bit, there's 2 bits o nothing

Darkman00
05-13-2012, 11:40 PM
Very sorry about your loss, michmi ...

jking
05-13-2012, 11:51 PM
I'm just catching up on the case...I dropped away because I lost my mom on April 1. I'm back, such as I am.

Shazammy, wow!

I'm very sorry for your loss.

Judy

Nieschk
05-14-2012, 06:58 AM
I'm just catching up on the case...I dropped away because I lost my mom on April 1. I'm back, such as I am.

Shazammy, wow!

Sorry to hear about the loss of your Mom Michmi.....

Belinda
05-14-2012, 07:41 AM
I find it a complete outrage that Bashara has not been arrested. Makes me wonder who is pulling strings. How can it be so obvious, but they don't have enough to arrest him? Phooey.

Darkman00
05-14-2012, 12:18 PM
Bob Bashara says wife knew of his affairs

Published: Monday, May 14, 2012

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com

http://www.macombdaily.com/storyimage/MD/20120514/NEWS03/120519762/AR/AR-120519762.jpg&MaxW=2000&MaxH=330

In his latest nationally televised interview, murder suspect Bob Bashara says he had an “understanding” with his wife similar to an open marriage that allowed him to see other women -- a claim at least one longtime friend of the deceased woman says is unlikely.

Bashara -- declared by police as a person of interest in the death of his wife, Jane -- touched on a number of topics in his interview with by “Dateline NBC” that aired May 11.

...

Longtime family friends such as David and Ruann Marshall of Chesterfield Township do find it hard to believe. They say the scenario “doesn’t fit” with Jane Bashara’s background and her Christian values.

“I can’t say for the record that she did not know (about the affair) but I just find it hard to believe,” said David Marshall, a missionary, whose wife knew Jane Bashara when they grew up in Mount Clemens together and later attended Central Michigan University.

“If Jane did know, I would have to think she endured it only to try to save their marriage and protect their two children. Her marriage and her children were her greatest concern. She was just a bright, caring woman who was a good mother and a good wife,” Marshall said.

...

For Jane Bashara’s family and close friends, the seemingly endless horror story continue to pound away at her memory and their inability to find closure.

David Marshall said he and his wife always consult with Jane’s family before commenting to the media because all of her supporters are sensitive to how she is portrayed in the media where the stories center on such unseemly topics as infidelity, kinky sex, and cheating -- all the antithesis of her values and lifestyle.

“What Bob is saying are things he must say to protect himself. But Jane had a spiritual investment in her family, her children, her career, but not in wealth or material things,” David Marshall said. “All of what he is saying is contrary to the lifestyle she sought and lived.”

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More at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120514/NEWS03/120519762/bob-bashara-says-wife-knew-of-his-affairs&pager=full_story

TallCoolOne
05-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Okay, so let me get this straight. Bob told his wife the truth about his involvement with another woman, yet he lied to the woman with whom he was having the affair, at least by what RG has stated, she wasn't aware Bob was still married as he had told her they were divorced.

So, is it just me, or is this a whole lotta hoohaw? Me thinketh he doth protest too much........

RubyBlu
05-14-2012, 03:34 PM
:furious:Okay, so let me get this straight. Bob told his wife the truth about his involvement with another woman, yet he lied to the woman with whom he was having the affair, at least by what RG has stated, she wasn't aware Bob was still married as he had told her they were divorced.

So, is it just me, or is this a whole lotta hoohaw? Me thinketh he doth protest too much........

"Master" Bashara's profile resides here:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_know_if_someone_is_a_sociopath

We can only hope for an arrest SOON.

Woe.be.gone
05-14-2012, 05:41 PM
Im sorry to see Hinky gone, but thankful to have found this site! Did anyone else notice the ever do conspicuous glass that Big Blob was drinking out of during the interview? 'you're the man Bob'. BARF!!!

Despite the glass, he appears trimmer. Stress will do that to you I guess.

Woe.be.gone
05-14-2012, 06:01 PM
Bob Bashara says wife knew of his affairs

Published: Monday, May 14, 2012

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com

http://www.macombdaily.com/storyimage/MD/20120514/NEWS03/120519762/AR/AR-120519762.jpg&MaxW=2000&MaxH=330

In his latest nationally televised interview, murder suspect Bob Bashara says he had an “understanding” with his wife similar to an open marriage that allowed him to see other women -- a claim at least one longtime friend of the deceased woman says is unlikely.

Bashara -- declared by police as a person of interest in the death of his wife, Jane -- touched on a number of topics in his interview with by “Dateline NBC” that aired May 11.

...

Longtime family friends such as David and Ruann Marshall of Chesterfield Township do find it hard to believe. They say the scenario “doesn’t fit” with Jane Bashara’s background and her Christian values.

“I can’t say for the record that she did not know (about the affair) but I just find it hard to believe,” said David Marshall, a missionary, whose wife knew Jane Bashara when they grew up in Mount Clemens together and later attended Central Michigan University.

“If Jane did know, I would have to think she endured it only to try to save their marriage and protect their two children. Her marriage and her children were her greatest concern. She was just a bright, caring woman who was a good mother and a good wife,” Marshall said.

...

For Jane Bashara’s family and close friends, the seemingly endless horror story continue to pound away at her memory and their inability to find closure.

David Marshall said he and his wife always consult with Jane’s family before commenting to the media because all of her supporters are sensitive to how she is portrayed in the media where the stories center on such unseemly topics as infidelity, kinky sex, and cheating -- all the antithesis of her values and lifestyle.

“What Bob is saying are things he must say to protect himself. But Jane had a spiritual investment in her family, her children, her career, but not in wealth or material things,” David Marshall said. “All of what he is saying is contrary to the lifestyle she sought and lived.”

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More at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120514/NEWS03/120519762/bob-bashara-says-wife-knew-of-his-affairs&pager=full_story

Going by gut and what I've read about his lifestyle (double life, double wife), I totally believe the positive comments regarding Jane's character. Bob was drawn to her for those reasons exactly. Some men, I've noticed, hide behind their 'cleansed' wife. Two faced Bob needed Jane to maintain his public image as an upstanding community member and father then he roamed around in the dark after hours. My heart breaks for her that she got ripped off - she didn't get the same quality person in return that she was willing to give. I'm sure Bob was able to fool her for a long time. Over time spiritual detects fake spiritual.

michmi
05-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Well, I'm glad Jane had some true friends who know the way she lived her life and aren't letting BB's version go unanswered.

Darkman00
05-15-2012, 02:53 PM
Dateline NBC's Dennis Murphy
by Film Festival Radio
Featured Host: Janice Malone

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Friday, May 11 at 10p/9c
A mother of two is found dead in her Mercedes. Her husband, a respected resident in their affluent town of Grosse Pointe Park, Michigan denies any involvement in the death. One week later, the couple’s handyman confesses to murder and is eventually arrested for murder and conspiracy to murder. But, it takes two people to conspire. After discovering his secret life in the alternative sex community, police wonder if the husband had any involvement. Dennis Murphy reports.

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Listen at the Source: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/film-festival-radio-/2012/05/11/dateline-nbcs-dennis-murphy

or: Download this episode (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/film-festival-radio-/2012/05/11/dateline-nbcs-dennis-murphy.mp3)

RayStar
05-15-2012, 04:18 PM
I could only watch part of the interview. Bob makes me sick. Now his mil has filed a complaint against him with the Roseville police dept. She fears him and wants him to stop dragging her daughther's name thru the mug. GPPD must be one of the worst in the nation. His mother was at the home cleaning in the garage very soon after Jane was found murdered in a car on the east side of Detroit. What was Joe banging on doors in that neighborhood for???? FEAR perhaps. WDIV is doing a fine job in keeping he public informed about any developments in this case.

Jan_53
05-15-2012, 04:59 PM
This is rather interesting. I feel so bad for her parents.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Jane-Bashara-s-mother-files-police-report/-/1719314/13407172/-/t0m9eoz/-/index.htm

notbornyesterday
05-15-2012, 05:28 PM
Jane Bashara's mother files police report, says she is afraid for her safety

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/jane-basharas-mother-files-police-report-says-she-is-afraid-for-her-safety#ixzz1uyaAnfXe

Woe.be.gone
05-15-2012, 05:39 PM
I could only watch part of the interview. Bob makes me sick. Now his mil has filed a complaint against him with the Roseville police dept. She fears him and wants him to stop dragging her daughther's name thru the mug. GPPD must be one of the worst in the nation. His mother was at the home cleaning in the garage very soon after Jane was found murdered in a car on the east side of Detroit. What was Joe banging on doors in that neighborhood for???? FEAR perhaps. WDIV is doing a fine job in keeping he public informed about any developments in this case.

bbm ~ when was Joe banging on doors? in what neighborhood?
Are you referring to when Bob allegedly banged on RG's door?

Woe.be.gone
05-15-2012, 05:42 PM
:welcome2:

notbornyesterday
05-15-2012, 05:46 PM
In Bashara murder case, victim's mother accuses son-in-law of harrassment

http://www.freep.com/article/20120515/NEWS02/120515058/In-Bashara-case-victim-s-mother-accuses-son-in-law-of-harrassment?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Seriously, can anyone who works for any news agency in the Detroit area spell??

notbornyesterday
05-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Jane Bashara's mother files police report against son-in-law

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120515/METRO01/205150426#ixzz1uyg9SRdH

Darkman00
05-15-2012, 06:53 PM
Jane Bashara's mother files police report against Bob Bashara

Lorraine Englebrecht says she's afraid of her daugher's husband, Grosse Pointe Park's Bob Bashara

...

LOCAL 4 DEFENDERS EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENT: Read the police report (http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/13407208/data/2/-/ctv77tz/-/Jane-Bashara-mom-police-report-pdf.pdf)

...

The rest is at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Jane-Bashara-s-mother-files-police-report/-/1719314/13407172/-/t0m9eoz/-/index.html

Police report could be viewed at above link in PDF format...

...if the link at their site dies - HERE are alternative links to download that PDF:

Download Police Report (in PDF format) (http://www.4shared.com/office/qaxyooro/Jane-Bashara-mom-police-report.html)

or:

Download Police Report (in PDF format) (http://www.mediafire.com/?9hk5nbi58a4dg9u)


... or view it directly HERE in JPG format: (under Spoiler below)


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or: http://s015.radikal.ru/i332/1205/94/516092cecc32.jpg

Darkman00
05-16-2012, 12:41 AM
Jane Bashara’s Mother ‘Scared’, Files Complaint About Bob Bashara

May 15, 2012 5:49 PM

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ROSEVILLE (WWJ) – The family of Jane Bashara of Grosse Pointe Park, who was found murdered late last year, has filed a complaint against her husband, Bob Bashara.

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WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with Bashara’s attorney David Griem.

“Bob listened to her complaint. She was very upset. She threatened Bob … to do exactly what she did here,” Griem said. “So, there were two phone calls from the mother in law to Bob. Bob, a few minutes later, called her back to try to calm her down but was unsuccessful.”

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More at the Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/05/15/jane-basharas-mother-scared-files-complaint-about-bob-bashara/

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According to the police report, Lorraine called Bashara once requesting that he “stop dragging my daughter's name through the mud.”

LOCAL 4 DEFENDERS EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENT: Read the police report (http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/13407208/data/2/-/ctv77tz/-/Jane-Bashara-mom-police-report-pdf.pdf)

Bashara called back twice, "trying to plead to her about his innocence."


Underlined and CBBM (above) by me.

Notice: In Police Report and in the Media it said that Jane's mom called Bob once, and then Bob called her back twice ... But what Griem said (or, at the very least, how his words were reported in by the Media) was vice verse ... that Jane's mom called Bob two times ... and then, few minutes later, Bob called her back... :rolleyes:

Darkman00
05-16-2012, 03:04 AM
Mother-in-Law Files Police Report against Bob Bashara

Updated: Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 10:47 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 5:49 PM EDT

By TARYN ASHER
WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

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Has Bob Bashara become mentally unstable? His mother-in-law thinks so. Over the weekend, she filed a police report against her son-in-law claiming she's worried for her safety.

This all started after a "Dateline NBC" special aired on Friday about the Jane Bashara murder case. In it, Bob Bashara, his mistress, his S&M lifestyle was under the microscope. He claimed in this piece that his wife approved of some of this and when Jane Bashara's mother heard this, she had enough.

Upset with what she saw on national television, Lorraine Engelbrecht picked up the phone and called her son-in-law Saturday blasting him for how he portrayed his wife. Because of his reaction, she filed a police report with Roseville police.

"Bob tried to calm her down," said David Griem, Bashara's attorney.

According to the police report, Engelbrecht felt just the opposite. During their initial phone conversation, she told Bashara to stop dragging her daughter's name through the mud, not to bring her down to this level. She then hung up the phone.

She claims Bashara called back twice pleading to her about his innocence.

"Indicated to her let's think about the children. We shouldn't be fighting. We should be praying together for Jane and for the kids," Griem explained.

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She called Tim Matouk, an investigator from the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office, who advised her to make a police report.

"I have information that he instigated the report, helped with the report for his own reasons and that is his investigation of Bob Bashara," Griem said.

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"This isn't an investigation. It's a lynch mob being lead by a rogue cop, and all we're asking for is a fair and impartial investigation," said Griem.

We asked the prosecutor's office about this. They choose not to comment because this case is still under investigation.

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More at the Source: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/mother-in-law-files-police-report-against-bob-bashara-20120515-ms

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Few readers' comments at the Source: (Click on Spoiler below to view)


Chris Hurley
Wait, let me get this straight; he gives an interview, she doesn't like what he said, so she called him, he did not initiate contact, and then she hung up on him before he could respond? So he calls her back and pleads his innocence, and her response is to call an investigator who says call the police? Because she felt threatened, even though he never made any threatening statements? Sounds more like a publicity stunt on her part because she didn't like what he said in the Dateline interview.

Janet Williams
Is it just me or does the lawyer sound drunk.

Wanda Dudley
This is news because? O right! No arrest warrent issued for BB! senseless.

Zeel Phaggin
Tune in tomorrow for anothe episode of, "As the Stomach Turns".

Wanda Dudley
lol....Right!!
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Darkman00
05-16-2012, 03:53 AM
Bob Bashara accused of harassing mother-in-law

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com
Posted: 05/15/12 10:14 pm
Updated: 05/15/12 11:57 pm

... Lorraine Engelbrecht, the mother of the late Jane Bashara, filed the report with the Roseville Police Department after she spoke with her son-in-law after watching the May 11 “Dateline NBC” television show about her daughter.

“We took the report and forwarded the information to Grosse Pointe Park police because that’s their case,” said Roseville Deputy Police Chief James Berlin. “I have no further comment on this matter.”

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Dave Griem, Bob Bashara’s defense attorney, said his client made no threats and asked her to think about the couple’s children, asking her to avoid additional arguments.

Griem went on to point out that the police report shows Engelbrecht was counseled at her home by Tim Matouk, an investigator with the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office, who urged her to file the complaint. He said Matouk is a “renegade investigator” who is the source of complaints from people being interviewed in the Bashara case.

“We know several people who have said they were willing to cooperate with the prosecutor’s office but didn’t want to talk to Matouk,” Griem said. “We are aware of one individual contacted by the prosecutor’s office who felt so badgered and threatened by Matouk that he went to the hospital after his encounter.”

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office, declined to respond to the allegations because “the investigation into the homicide of Jane Bashara is ongoing.”

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Full Story is at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120515/NEWS/120519624/-1/news/bob-bashara-accused-of-harassing-mother-in-law&pager=full_story

Nieschk
05-16-2012, 06:50 AM
Well I guess now, according to how Griem operates, Jane's mom is now a POI.

ScubaTwinn
05-16-2012, 09:48 AM
Bob Bashara accused of harassing mother-in-law

By Mitch Hotts
mitch.hotts@macombdaily.com
Posted: 05/15/12 10:14 pm
Updated: 05/15/12 11:57 pm

... Lorraine Engelbrecht, the mother of the late Jane Bashara, filed the report with the Roseville Police Department after she spoke with her son-in-law after watching the May 11 “Dateline NBC” television show about her daughter.
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Dave Griem, Bob Bashara’s defense attorney, said his client made no threats and asked her to think about the couple’s children, asking her to avoid additional arguments.

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office, declined to respond to the allegations because “the investigation into the homicide of Jane Bashara is ongoing.”

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Full Story is at the Source: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20120515/NEWS/120519624/-1/news/bob-bashara-accused-of-harassing-mother-in-law&pager=full_story

Respectfully snipped for space. Shouldn't Bob have thought about their children before going on Dateline instead of afterwards?

Darkman00
05-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Well I guess now, according to how Griem operates, Jane's mom is now a POI.
Not yet ... Maybe some day. :)

Don't give 'm any ideas now... :floorlaugh:

pointed barbs
05-16-2012, 03:10 PM
Respectfully snipped for space. Shouldn't Bob have thought about their children before going on Dateline instead of afterwards?

Bob is a narcissistic sociopath,he 'knows' he is slicker then everyone else...and believes he can make them believe him...I bet the video crew could hardly refrain from laughing when he brought out the 'Your the man Bob' glass...

If he wasn't such a piece of work,it would almost be sad...He is not going to do well in prison..

Darkman00
05-16-2012, 03:22 PM
pointed barbs ... No idea where this "You are the man, Bob" glass come from? :what:

Darkman00
05-18-2012, 01:23 AM
Elsewhere on the net incog88 said about the "You are the man, Bob" glass:

people talking about the 'you're' the man bob cup... they were given to him by his family at a 'bob' store (everything about bob)... Pretty sure he has a bob shirt and clock and doormat too lol

Darkman00
05-18-2012, 01:02 PM
EXCLUSIVE!


LNS has asked me to post the below from a source close to Rachel Gillett that LNS believes to be trustworthy and credible:


"There was NO letter and no contact of any kind between RG and Jane ever... that was a rumor that somehow started at the beginning of this case. It never happened and there will be no proof of any contact come out during the trial.

"There was no reason for RG to contact Jane. RG thought that a divorce was pending and that the marriage was over by mutual consent. Then she was told the divorce was final and that they (RG and Bob) could go on with their life together. RG thought this was just a couple who was in the process of a MUTUAL divorce. She thought that both Jane and Bob would move on and be happier without the other person.

"There was no reason for RG to confront Jane about anything, there was nothing for her to be mad or vengeful about. She never thought this was a happy marriage, she'd been given many, many instances from Bob of how they did not get along. Also, RG didn't know anyone else in GP or anyone who knew Bob and Jane... so unfortunately she got all her information from Bob who she trusted and loved. When he told RG that the divorce was coming soon and that Jane wanted it too, she believed him.

"That makes his current stand on being the loving husband, who had no intention of leaving his wife for RG so much sicker. People who saw RG and Bob together could see how in love they were, it was very obvious even to strangers that they were crazy about each other.` He had many talks with RG's family, friends and grown children about his intentions of a future with RG, taking care of her etc.. "

While the source does not believe Jane knew anything about RG or the alternative lifestyle, they believe that after 26 years Jane must have known that Bob was a cheater. They feel sure she had to catch him in many, many lies over the years.

angelindisguyz
05-19-2012, 12:12 AM
Just seen that Channel 4 News is airing an interview with RG Sunday night. I'm very surprised that she is coming out in the public to share that info.
I believe that info Darkman but.......I scratch my head on how she never had a clue in all that time that he may of been yankin her chain. LOL No pun intended

Darkman00
05-19-2012, 01:21 AM
It's HERE:

Bob Bashara's Former Mistress Breaks Her Silence

Published On: May 18 2012 04:54:46 PM EDT

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SUNDAY AT 11 P.M. - A Defenders Exclusive! Chilling new details from the woman who had everything to lose.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/Bob-Bashara-s-Former-Mistress-Breaks-Her-Silence/-/1719524/13483832/-/wp9t5nz/-/index.html


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Darkman00
05-19-2012, 12:38 PM
EXCLUSIVE!


LNS has asked me to post the below from a source close to Rachel Gillett that LNS believes to be trustworthy and credible:


"There was NO letter and no contact of any kind between RG and Jane ever... that was a rumor that somehow started at the beginning of this case. It never happened and there will be no proof of any contact come out during the trial.

"There was no reason for RG to contact Jane. RG thought that a divorce was pending and that the marriage was over by mutual consent. Then she was told the divorce was final and that they (RG and Bob) could go on with their life together. RG thought this was just a couple who was in the process of a MUTUAL divorce. She thought that both Jane and Bob would move on and be happier without the other person.

"There was no reason for RG to confront Jane about anything, there was nothing for her to be mad or vengeful about. She never thought this was a happy marriage, she'd been given many, many instances from Bob of how they did not get along. Also, RG didn't know anyone else in GP or anyone who knew Bob and Jane... so unfortunately she got all her information from Bob who she trusted and loved. When he told RG that the divorce was coming soon and that Jane wanted it too, she believed him.

"That makes his current stand on being the loving husband, who had no intention of leaving his wife for RG so much sicker. People who saw RG and Bob together could see how in love they were, it was very obvious even to strangers that they were crazy about each other.` He had many talks with RG's family, friends and grown children about his intentions of a future with RG, taking care of her etc.. "

While the source does not believe Jane knew anything about RG or the alternative lifestyle, they believe that after 26 years Jane must have known that Bob was a cheater. They feel sure she had to catch him in many, many lies over the years.
Maybe in light of what RG said above and in light of her upcoming TV interview this Sunday at 11 P.M. --- possibly some people would like to listen to this before the Sunday night interview:

It's ... Mojo in the Morning with Alias Beth and Aaron (AUDIO of their phone calls to Mojo, re: Bob Bashara and Rachel Gillett) ... Here it is:

http://www.mojointhemorning.com/player/?mid=21808634

angelindisguyz
05-19-2012, 12:59 PM
Elsewhere on the net incog88 said about the "You are the man, Bob" glass:

people talking about the 'you're' the man bob cup... they were given to him by his family at a 'bob' store (everything about bob)... Pretty sure he has a bob shirt and clock and doormat too lol

How about a cup that says You're a CHEATER


I wish they had enough on him to arrest him, already!! I wonder if they are waiting on JG results? Each day he has his freedom, must make JB's family sick!!!

Nieschk
05-19-2012, 01:38 PM
How about a cup that says You're a CHEATER


I wish they had enough on him to arrest him, already!! I wonder if they are waiting on JG results? Each day he has his freedom, must make JB's family sick!!!

I often wonder the same thing. I realize that every day he goes uncharged, Griem cannot look at any discovery but something does not feel right about all the delays. It would appear that most of what we are waiting on hinges on JG but there has to be more incriminating evidence than just testimony from JG. What is the real reason behind the delay???????

Woe.be.gone
05-19-2012, 02:24 PM
Maybe in light of what RG said above and in light of her upcoming TV interview this Sunday at 11 P.M. --- possibly some people would like to listen to this before the Sunday night interview:

It's ... Mojo in the Morning with Alias Beth and Aaron (AUDIO of their phone calls to Mojo, re: Bob Bashara and Rachel Gillett) ... Here it is:

http://www.mojointhemorning.com/player/?mid=21808634

Beth sure sounds as if she has compassion for Jane - the woman who lost her life because her good friend, Rachel, broke up with Jane's husband. NOT! I hate when people refer to victims as 'this woman' or 'that woman' - why the disdain for Jane, Beth?

Woe.be.gone
05-19-2012, 03:08 PM
Just seen that Channel 4 News is airing an interview with RG Sunday night. I'm very surprised that she is coming out in the public to share that info.
I believe that info Darkman but.......I scratch my head on how she never had a clue in all that time that he may of been yankin her chain. LOL No pun intended

I'm surprised too because RG's not believable - methinks she's scared of what might be coming her way.
There is NO way that Rachel was unaware of BB's marital status beyond the first few months of 'dating' him. How old is she? How long were they together (behind Jane's back)? If Rachel was a woman in her twenties, I might believe her but at her age? NO WAY. The truth is imo, she was fed up that BB had not fulfilled his promise to her to ditch Jane after so many years of promising that he would do so.
Maybe RG did break up with Bob AGAIN, but I'm not sure I believe that she did. That said, BB and RG looked very happy at RG's daughter's wedding on New Years Eve 2011, just prior to Jane's murder.

RG's work performance had been suffering, she was on the verge of being fired (per records that have been released) and, like a love starved teenager, was allowing a man to control her life and be the measure of her happiness. No woman wants to be 'the other woman'. RG's friend, Beth, said that RG didn't want to be 'the other woman' - what woman does? Beth made the statement suggesting that, if RG had known she was 'the other woman', she would have left the relationship. Not believable imo because RG was 'the other woman' and she knew it, had been for a long time and didn't see her status as 'the other woman' ending anytime soon. That made her a desperate woman as well as the other woman.

It's interesting that RG is coming forward, in her own defense, at this time.

notbornyesterday
05-19-2012, 10:35 PM
Is it just me or does Rachel look like she could be Glenda the Good Witch's evil older kinky psycho sister? Her voice sound sweet but her eyes look deceptive. In the pictures of Jane her eyes look sad even though she is smiling. :/

crocus
05-19-2012, 11:08 PM
Bob Bashara and Jane were well known in their community.

Not buying what RG is slinging. imo

CocoChanel
05-20-2012, 02:43 PM
EXCLUSIVE!


LNS has asked me to post the below from a source close to Rachel Gillett that LNS believes to be trustworthy and credible:


"There was NO letter and no contact of any kind between RG and Jane ever... that was a rumor that somehow started at the beginning of this case. It never happened and there will be no proof of any contact come out during the trial.

"There was no reason for RG to contact Jane. RG thought that a divorce was pending and that the marriage was over by mutual consent. Then she was told the divorce was final and that they (RG and Bob) could go on with their life together. RG thought this was just a couple who was in the process of a MUTUAL divorce. She thought that both Jane and Bob would move on and be happier without the other person.

"There was no reason for RG to confront Jane about anything, there was nothing for her to be mad or vengeful about. She never thought this was a happy marriage, she'd been given many, many instances from Bob of how they did not get along. Also, RG didn't know anyone else in GP or anyone who knew Bob and Jane... so unfortunately she got all her information from Bob who she trusted and loved. When he told RG that the divorce was coming soon and that Jane wanted it too, she believed him.

"That makes his current stand on being the loving husband, who had no intention of leaving his wife for RG so much sicker. People who saw RG and Bob together could see how in love they were, it was very obvious even to strangers that they were crazy about each other.` He had many talks with RG's family, friends and grown children about his intentions of a future with RG, taking care of her etc.. "

While the source does not believe Jane knew anything about RG or the alternative lifestyle, they believe that after 26 years Jane must have known that Bob was a cheater. They feel sure she had to catch him in many, many lies over the years.

BBM
That seems to be such a double-standard. RG's camp is saying she was in the dark about BB's deception and really believed what he was shoveling about his marriage and imminent divorce. YET they don't give the same grace to poor Jane, instead saying "....they feel sure she had to catch him in many, many lies...". Seriously? Do they not see how hypocritical that statement is?

Darkman00
05-20-2012, 04:08 PM
I thought i read somewhere .. some comment (can't remember now where) that Jane knew Bob is a liar ... and even told her friends that "Bob lies..." (or something like that)

Can't remember the source though ... so take it with a grain of salt i guess :rolleyes:

Besides...

... Bob and Jane DID have problems... they, admittedly so, saw a marriage counselor ... and in a Public Statement, previously issued by Jane's family, it states something like: "Even though Jane's family were aware of problems in Bob and Jane's relationship, Jane wouldn't stand for an "open marriage...." etc

Woe.be.gone
05-20-2012, 04:40 PM
RG stated that she does not believe Jane knew about the S&M lifestyle though. What if Jane had recently found out about the S&M and/or the long term affair bb had going on - Jane probably saw those pictures from NYE.

Problems versus outright deceit (repeated), continuing affair/s, etc. are not tolerable over the long haul and something has to give imo. Jane may have found out more than she ever wanted to know causing tensions to escalate between her and bb. If Jane where here to speak for herself, I doubt she'd put her own name on a list for sainthood. Then again I don't think her sins would stack up nearly as high as bb's do. For 'the other woman' to say outloud the type of '*****y' wife bb claims Jane was, is lower than low imo. Of course he's going to tell RG that - fool! After three or four years (I'm minimizing the time frame as RG is publically doing), RG might have figured out bb was lying about Jane's intolerable evils simply by the fact that he stayed with Jane for so long after meeting wonderful her. Besides, if you're living with a lying creep it tends to tear away at your charming side over time.

Darkman00
05-21-2012, 10:17 AM
Bob Bashara's mistress says he manipulated her, told her he was divorced

7:28 AM, May 21, 2012

A woman who dated Bob Bashara before his wife was found slain says the Grosse Pointe Park man first portrayed himself online as widowed and later told her he was getting divorced as they were building a life together.

But a few days after Bashara's wife Jane was found dead in January, strangled in the back of her SUV in a Detroit alley, Rachel Gillett, 51, said she was shocked as she watched Bashara crying and mourning his wife's loss on television.

"Obviously, first of all, that he was still married, that the divorce that I thought had happened in May didn't happen," Gillett said in an interview that first aired on WDIV Channel 4 Sunday night. "And that he'd lied to me, and I was just -- I went in shock pretty much."

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Gillett, who has since filed a personal protection order against Bob Bashara, said she met the businessman online. She said his profile claimed he was widowed and raising a teenaged daughter by himself. But Gillett found out during the relationship he was married.

"Over the course of that relationship, I unfortunately began to care very much for him and fell in love," Gillett said. "In retrospect, I realize that he lied to me and manipulated me. And now I find myself in a position I never, ever imagined I would be in."

Bashara told her that he and his wife were living separate lives.

"At no time did I think this was a good, solid relationship," she said. A year before the killing, she said Bob told her he was divorcing.

"For the last eight months of our relationship, I thought he was finally divorced," Gillett said. "We looked for a house. We went many places in Grosse Pointe and in the area. I never tried to hide my relationship. My friends, my family, my coworkers all knew of Bob as my boyfriend. This was a relationship that I thought was mutual. He led me to believe he wanted a future with me as much as I wanted it. And I have since discovered that he had no intention of ever divorcing. And I still have a difficult time. I don't understand how you can do that."

Gillett, who has since moved out of state, said she waited to speak publicly until after Mother's Day out of respect for the Bashara children.

"I want to offer my deepest sympathies and condolences and prayers to the members of Jane's family who actually really loved her," Gillett said. "It's still devastating. And it's devastating to everybody in the community -- and I understand that -- and to Jane's family. She does not have the opportunity to move on with her life and to get a divorce and go on and have a new life. That was taken from her. And I don't know what else to say."

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More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120521/NEWS02/120521010/Bob-Bashara-Rachel-Gillett-Jane-Bashara-Grosse-Pointe