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jmarple
02-15-2012, 03:37 PM
Just reported on KIRO radio Seattle, relatives of Josh are seeking to bury him in the same cemetery(Woodbine in Puyallup) where the children are buried.
I'll try to find a link.

IMHO There is another cemetery near Puyallup, why couldn't they just put him there?

jmarple
02-15-2012, 03:40 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671

Attorney for the Cox family is trying to stop this.

Goldblum
02-15-2012, 03:42 PM
Yuck. Are you kidding me?

RoseTree
02-15-2012, 03:49 PM
UGH! Are you kidding me?

DLT88
02-15-2012, 03:50 PM
Just reported on KIRO radio Seattle, relatives of Josh are seeking to bury him in the same cemetery(Woodbine in Puyallup) where the children are buried.
I'll try to find a link.

IMHO There is another cemetery near Puyallup, why couldn't they just put him there?

How appalling! Have they no decency?!

DLT88
02-15-2012, 03:51 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671

Attorney for the Cox family is trying to stop this.

Thank GOD!!! I hope they succeed!

Amster
02-15-2012, 03:54 PM
Just reported on KIRO radio Seattle, relatives of Josh are seeking to bury him in the same cemetery(Woodbine in Puyallup) where the children are buried.
I'll try to find a link.

IMHO There is another cemetery near Puyallup, why couldn't they just put him there?

Classless, heartless, cruel.....:twocents:

strawberry
02-15-2012, 03:58 PM
I just saw this on twitter. Someone here predicted this the other day when the Powell's delayed Josh's funeral. Disgusting.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Ugh. Not just in the same cemetary; 25 feet away! Thanks for the link Dr Fessel
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671

Dr.Fessel
02-15-2012, 04:04 PM
Ugh. Not just in the same cemetary; 25 feet away! Thanks for the link Dr Fessel
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671 I can not believe the Powells are trying this. Best thing the Cox"s could do would be go after his estate if they do not change their plans.

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 04:05 PM
Ugh. Not just in the same cemetary; 25 feet away! Thanks for the link Dr Fessel
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671

I hope that does not happen. That's just wrong on sooo many levels. IF they ever find Susan she should be buried there NOT Josh.

If no one can stop the burial maybe some will steal his body and hide it.
Wonder how the Powell's would feel not knowing where THEIR dead family was??

Pookie's Mom
02-15-2012, 04:20 PM
Those beautiful boys should not have to lie eternally next to the monster who killed them! Does that family have no shame? Seriously, I know that they are in heaven with their mom, but the Cox family shouldn't have to walk past him everytime they want to visit those lil boys.

jmarple
02-15-2012, 04:21 PM
Ugh. Not just in the same cemetary; 25 feet away! Thanks for the link Dr Fessel
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671

Woodbine is a good-sized cemetery, one can only think that the 25 feet is a deliberate "in your face" move by the Powell family. I am appalled!!:maddening:

JBmom
02-15-2012, 04:33 PM
Appalled, but not surprised. Ick.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 04:51 PM
Isn't there a good prison cemetary around there .... ?

just sayin'

Dr.Fessel
02-15-2012, 04:52 PM
KIROTVPierceCo KIRO TV Pierce Co
#CityofPuyallup says that unless a judge blocks #joshpowell burial, they will have no choice in allowing his burial near boys.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 04:54 PM
His final wishes, maybe .. another "ef u" ...

JenniferTx
02-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Those two boys will not be able to rest in peace if the monster that killed them is just a few feet away from them for eternity. They should just creamate Josh and throw his ashes in a sewer drain.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 05:03 PM
Those boys are already at peace ... imo.

It's the living that will be forced to walk past JP's grave everytime they visit the boys' graves.

And how convenient for the Powell family .. to have all three in one spot ............ with no sign of Susan ...

JUST.AINT.RIGHT.

imo

karen7868
02-15-2012, 05:04 PM
OMG. You know it is Alina that made this decision.

matou
02-15-2012, 05:05 PM
It's another twisted outcome of his "surprise" that he had for his kids, I suppose. JMO

Sassygerl
02-15-2012, 05:10 PM
This is just disgusting. If the plans go through at least The Cox's will be within spitting distance. I'm just sickened.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 05:11 PM
I'm having really ugly thoughts ..... *smirk*

SOMEBODY.STOP.ME.....

uvamerica
02-15-2012, 05:15 PM
I can't help but think Josh put this in his instructions to his sister, first I think he planned on being buried with the boys, but when that didn't happen,his sister thought the next best thing was for Josh to be buried near the boys. I think the reason the Powell's didn't cause a fuss at the funeral was because they had this already in mind. One last dig to the Cox's. :maddening: I pray they are stopped by a judge, or someone comes in and buys that plot before they do !

cleo612
02-15-2012, 05:21 PM
If I had the money, I would go in and buy up every single available plot in that cemetery immediately.

What a disgusting move on the part of the Powells.

Gypsy Road
02-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Why can't they just cremate his body since he obviously wanted that anyway! He burned down the house didn't he?!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Cremate his body and throw the ashes in the desolate desert!

The Powell family is so disgusting to me!

DLT88
02-15-2012, 05:24 PM
Those beautiful boys should not have to lie eternally next to the monster who killed them! Does that family have no shame? Seriously, I know that they are in heaven with their mom, but the Cox family shouldn't have to walk past him everytime they want to visit those lil boys.

I LOVE that quote from Kirk Graves at the bottom of your posts!!! It IS so true. :) JP is probably kicking himself and wandering around the lower realms looking for his boys who he thought were "his" while they are now way above him with their mother who now has full custody. LOVE THE THOUGHT!

ITA -- does that family have no shame?! Have they learned no lessons from all this?

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 05:41 PM
IMO he lost his "right" to be buried wherever he pleased when he murdered his children. (and Susan)
The state should be the ones to make that decision. Not Alina.

His family will need to place guard at his grave if the Powell's are dumb enough to bury him there. Did they buy a plot for SP as well?

SmoothOperator
02-15-2012, 05:42 PM
I too love Kirk Graves statement that BTW the custody battle is over and Susan has been granted custody of the boys.. I have had many thoughts of this from the moment JP killed them.. I can't help but gloat and feel a satisfaction that for all of his hard evil work and conniving that he did with the final eff you to the Cox family being his taking the boys in death with him for eternity.. You see this soulless bastard thought those boys would be with him somehow.. He believed everything against God, and heaven, and anything good..

But just as gwenabob said I too bet that Satan said to JP "I've got a surprise for you! "... That surprise was Josh firmly secured in one of the hottest pits of hell was given a crystal clear glimpse into heaven to see the final eff you was after all on JP, himself.. I haven't a doubt he was able to see that beautiful image of "his" boys in heaven with Susan holding them.. That may sound crazy to some but I believe it with all my heart as do I believe the Cox family does as well.. For me it does indeed give me a satisfaction in knowing this monster in the end was the one that got effed!!!!

Dr.Fessel
02-15-2012, 06:02 PM
BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Just interviewed @annembremner about plans to bury #JoshPowell near the sons he killed. She's filing a restraining order. #findsusan

https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow

karen7868
02-15-2012, 06:11 PM
Didn't really know where to post this. I don't think I was the only one wondering if LE positively identified JP's body, and it looks like they did. Thank God.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53520152-78/powell-josh-steve-county.html.csp?page=2

A portion of the $6,500 Josh Powell withdrew from his bank account the day prior to the murder when to his Jeffrey Bassett via an electronic payment, Wood said. He transferred the rest to a bank account belonging to his sister, Alina Powell, and instructed her to pay bills with it.

Wood said dental records have positively identified Josh and Charlie Powell’s remains. There are no dental records for Braden, Wood said, but detectives were able to recognize his remains at the scene.

MsFacetious
02-15-2012, 06:19 PM
I know that we are not supposed to be angry at anybody...

But it sure would be nice if there was a law that stated...
"If you murder someone, you don't get to be buried next to them."
The end.

There would be times when nobody would object and that would be fine, whatever if nobody has an issue with it.
But situations like this, where almost everybody objects?? It's absurd.

I can only imagine if Duncan wanted to be buried next to Dylan, or Couey next to Jessica, or whatshisname next to Jorelys.

Just because this guy happened to be their father before he killed them... doesn't mean he gets to be buried next to them.
Brutally killing them kind of erases anything you did before that to deserve it.

I also cannot believe that the cemetery doesn't have the right to say "absolutely not, we do not want to deal with the negativity, vandalism and likely grave robbers that will come with his burial here."

Those who have to deal with the grave itself, should have a choice in the matter as well.

Well... maybe they don't care...

"We don't have any rules or procedures regarding refusing plots to anyone," Dannenberg said.
"We're going to wait to see what the outcome is in court."

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/family-wants-josh-powell-buried-near-sons-he-kille/nHdQ2/

Alright then, put him on the opposite side of the cemetery if you don't mind him being there.
Certainly sounds to me like something needs to be changed here... but, that's just my opinion.

believe09
02-15-2012, 06:30 PM
What a mess. I agree that any place Josh is buried will have to consider vandalism and plan accordingly. I think that a restraining order to prevent Josh from being buried near his sons is a waste of energy, although I completely get the principal behind it.

They are dead. They are not going to care. War is being waged on dead bodies here.

Pookie's Mom
02-15-2012, 06:38 PM
The Grandparents and family aren't dead. They shouldn't have to be reminded of him everytime they want to visit thier precious boys. Just sayin...

Anakerie
02-15-2012, 06:43 PM
What a mess. I agree that any place Josh is buried will have to consider vandalism and plan accordingly. I think that a restraining order to prevent Josh from being buried near his sons is a waste of energy, although I completely get the principal behind it.

They are dead. They are not going to care. War is being waged on dead bodies here.
Yes, there are dead bodies here, but there are also the family members who are still here and are mourning the loss of those little boys. Can you picture them visiting the boy's grave and looking 25 feet away at the grave of the man who took the boys out of this life? Picture the sister, Alina standing there by Josh's grave glaring at the Cox family the way I've seen her in a few photos.. What a lovely reminder of the way those children were murdered.

Put Josh on the furthest corner of that cemetery if Alina and the rest of the Powells insist on his being there... Or, put him in another cemetery clear across town.. Or in another county... Geezzzz... They need to put him where his grave is NOT visible from where the boys are.

Just K
02-15-2012, 06:45 PM
Trying to remain decent and not say (blank that blank and his blank relatives)
So I will say this, let the evil one be buried where he wants and then let's help the Cox Family by donating to a fund to move the boys to a beautiful and private resting place. That is one cause I would have no problem giving my hard earned money to...

DLT88
02-15-2012, 06:52 PM
I know that we are not supposed to be angry at anybody...

But it sure would be nice if there was a law that stated...
"If you murder someone, you don't get to be buried next to them."
The end.



I also cannot believe that the cemetery doesn't have the right to say "absolutely not, we do not want to deal with the negativity, vandalism and likely grave robbers that will come with his burial here."

Those who have to deal with the grave itself, should have a choice in the matter as well.

Well... maybe they don't care...

"We don't have any rules or procedures regarding refusing plots to anyone," Dannenberg said.
"We're going to wait to see what the outcome is in court."

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/family-wants-josh-powell-buried-near-sons-he-kille/nHdQ2/

Alright then, put him on the opposite side of the cemetery if you don't mind him being there.
Certainly sounds to me like something needs to be changed here... but, that's just my opinion.


That's a good point about the cemetary. I think most all businesses have the right to refuse service to someone for whatever reason. If only other patrons of that cemetary all appeal to that cemetary that they do not want the drama and horridness of JP buried so close to the children he killed, it might make a difference. Also, I like to think that some remains from Susan will eventually be found and they will be buried right next to her children's remains. Her grave should also not be next to the one who killed her. The cemetary just might not want to deal with all this and tell the Powells NO. Let's hope so. But I'm glad there is a restraining order against it for now. I think this whole country is on the Cox side in this issue.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 06:52 PM
The point is..the Powells are doing this ON PURPOSE. They are looking at a plot 25 ft from the boys. Josh's grave could be vandalized and desecrated. The boys need a peaceful place to rest where people can (and I'm sure will) visit them. I remember a cemetary in Williamsburg that had the graves of two unmarried lovers. They were not allowed to be buried near each other by that century's mores. Well, this centuries mores should be that murderers do not get to be buried near the people they murder. Do I smell the necessity of another law that should not have to be a law a la Caylee's Law?

Just K
02-15-2012, 06:53 PM
The more people who know where that SSOS is buried, the more people will go there to do all types of fowl things. I would think that group of Powell's would want to quietly and secretly bury their family monster.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 06:53 PM
If your thoughts are going something like stealing body, quietly having him cremated then dumping the remains in the local dump........DO NOT GO THERE!!!

He was already cremated in that house..just throw him in a swamp.

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 06:53 PM
BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Just interviewed @annembremner about plans to bury #JoshPowell near the sons he killed. She's filing a restraining order. #findsusan

https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow

I hope they can get a temporary injunction, then innumerable delays before they can get into court for a hearing. LOL the P's might have to pay for storage for his body while they are waiting for the court case.

LydiaDeetz
02-15-2012, 06:56 PM
Every few days it is something new with this nightmare. First the murders, then the news of the chopping injuries, then the child porn, now this insane request. And I don't have a good enough memory to list all the other outrageous things that happened between the day Josh murdered Susan and the day he murdered her sons.

He isn't a martyr, he's a sick murderer and he shouldn't even go to potter's field.

DLT88
02-15-2012, 06:56 PM
The more people who know where that SSOS is buried, the more people will go there to do all types of fowl things. I would think that group of Powell's would want to quietly and secretly bury their family monster.

Yes, that's what decent-minded people would do. If my brother did something like this, I would quietly have him cremated and either keep the ashes inside my own house or toss them somewhere he liked to be. But I would do it all quietly because I would be ashamed of what he did.

LCoastMom
02-15-2012, 07:04 PM
I would like to see JP dropped in the ocean. No stone to mark a grave, I don't want anyone to say his name again. At least with a burial at sea his death will have had some meaning - he'll be fish food which is more than he amounted to in life.

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 07:09 PM
What a mess. I agree that any place Josh is buried will have to consider vandalism and plan accordingly. I think that a restraining order to prevent Josh from being buried near his sons is a waste of energy, although I completely get the principal behind it.

They are dead. They are not going to care. War is being waged on dead bodies here.

I too believe that it won't matter to the boys. But my concern is for the family and friends who might go to visit. Even if they don't look, they will know he is buried near. Imagine JenniferG going to visit the boys graves, hoping to remember and mourn them, and running into her sister crying over JP. Imagine the Cox's going to visit, knowing that a few steps away their killer lies.

Dr.Fessel
02-15-2012, 07:10 PM
PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in

https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff

believe09
02-15-2012, 07:11 PM
The Grandparents and family aren't dead. They shouldn't have to be reminded of him everytime they want to visit thier precious boys. Just sayin...


Yes, there are dead bodies here, but there are also the family members who are still here and are mourning the loss of those little boys. Can you picture them visiting the boy's grave and looking 25 feet away at the grave of the man who took the boys out of this life? Picture the sister, Alina standing there by Josh's grave glaring at the Cox family the way I've seen her in a few photos.. What a lovely reminder of the way those children were murdered.

Put Josh on the furthest corner of that cemetery if Alina and the rest of the Powells insist on his being there... Or, put him in another cemetery clear across town.. Or in another county... Geezzzz... They need to put him where his grave is NOT visible from where the boys are.

Fair enough guys. I understand your point of view. I never even considered the trauma of the Cox's viewing Josh's name on his stone.

I would love the hate to end. There is so much tragedy here already.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 07:12 PM
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in
Retweeted by Ben Winslow

:great:

Kimster
02-15-2012, 07:12 PM
The Powells need to think about the reality here, the boys were murdered! Do not put their murderer near them!

No, JP is not a victim. He is a murderer!

passionflower
02-15-2012, 07:15 PM
The Powell family realy should consider a very PRIVATE burial/memorial.
IF they truely love/care about jp!
Whatever they do should be secret and very low keyed.
Away from the Cox family.
Is there no Powell plots???
great grandparents etc?

Just K
02-15-2012, 07:15 PM
That cruel being just wants to keep reaching out from the bowels of evil to keep striking blows against decent souls. This subject has brought so many of us to the edge. His madness continues and it needs to end.

Powell family, please see that you are only further fueling the fires of disdain. It is wrong...

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 07:16 PM
PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in

https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff:denied:

:skip::skip:
CRIME STOPPERS
:yourock:

I would not be surprised if other groups don't start purchsing more plots
surrounding the boys!

diphi
02-15-2012, 07:17 PM
They should have a public funeral and put him in the same place he put Susan. Then, Susan could be moved to where her boys are.

Definitely not near the boys. That is incredibly wrong on so many levels. I can't believe the P's are still doing this "stuff". Just let the Coxes be in peace.

This is just insane, Powell family. Drop it.

<modsnip>

IMO

passionflower
02-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Away from the Cox family.
Is there no Powell plots???
great grandparents etc

strawberry
02-15-2012, 07:18 PM
Ben Winslow @BenWinslow
MT @PierceSheriff: Sheriff Paul Pastor: "It's Disgusting that a murder suspect would be buried next to his victims

Just K
02-15-2012, 07:18 PM
:denied:

:skip::skip:
CRIME STOPPERS
:yourock:

I would not be surprised if other groups don't start purchsing more plots
surrounding the boys!

Thank Goodness! I love that man.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 07:19 PM
Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO
Chuck Cox "very grateful" Crimestoppers buys grave sites next to Charlie & Braden Powell

Now there's a place next to them for when Mommy comes home.

strawberry
02-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Ben Winslow @BenWinslow
Crime Stoppers has posted this flier on a memorial for Charlie & Braden: bit.ly/AFf42v

Just K
02-15-2012, 07:23 PM
Everyday, I think that I will not be brought to tears re: the boys, the Cox Family and there loved ones. Everyday, I am wrong!

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 07:23 PM
:denied:

:skip::skip:
CRIME STOPPERS
:yourock:

I would not be surprised if other groups don't start purchsing more plots
surrounding the boys!

Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You

passionflower
02-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Thankyou CrimeStoppers!
Now this is an org. I would donate to!!!

SmoothOperator
02-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Hallelujah!!!! I knew this would happen!!! Without a doubt that those with money would ensure there were no plots available for the POWELL family to have this OPTION!! I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE POWELL IS MAKING THESE CHOICES/DECISIONS... <modsnip>!

dog.gone.cute
02-15-2012, 07:27 PM
Just reported on KIRO radio Seattle, relatives of Josh are seeking to bury him in the same cemetery(Woodbine in Puyallup) where the children are buried.
I'll try to find a link.

IMHO There is another cemetery near Puyallup, why couldn't they just put him there?


BBM: I just heard this HORRIFIC NEWS ... :maddening:

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY should JP be buried in the same cemetary as Charlie and Braden ...:maddening:

I am APPAULED ... :waitasec: but then again, this is the "Powells" here ...

Oh ... I feel for Mr. and Mrs. Cox ! Mr. and Mrs. Cox, the Cox's Family and Friends, and the boys and Susan have been through SO MUCH <mod snip> from the Powells -- NOW THIS !

MOO ... :maddening::maddening:

AnaTeresa
02-15-2012, 07:29 PM
CrimeStoppers, you are angels!

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Thankyou CrimeStoppers!
Now this is an org. I would donate to!!!
FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN DONATING...
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff

Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
If you would like to take part of helping and being part of this please go to tpcrimestoppers.com

http://www.tpcrimestoppers.com/case.php?id=377

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 07:30 PM
I think this is part of the instructions that JP sent to Alina with the money he sent her. IMO the money he sent her was to buy the gravesite and to pay for his burial.

I just pray that the attorney can get the restraining order then delay a hearing as much as possible. If they want to even bury him in the same graveyard, let them fight and pay for it.

diphi
02-15-2012, 07:31 PM
Thank you, Crime Stoppers! What little discretionary funds I have for donations are absolutely headed your way.

IMO

dog.gone.cute
02-15-2012, 07:32 PM
Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO
Chuck Cox "very grateful" Crimestoppers buys grave sites next to Charlie & Braden Powell
Now there's a place next to them for when Mommy comes home.


BBM:

Oh Thank God ! Some GOOD news !

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Slyster
02-15-2012, 07:33 PM
Bury him like they did Bin Laden. Perfect.

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 07:33 PM
http://www.tpcrimestoppers.com/case.php?id=377

Donations are being accepted by Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County to help pay for the memorial site for Charlie and Braden Powell at the Woodbine Cemetery in Puyallup, WA. Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County has purchased the plots surrounding Charlie and Braden Powell's place of rest to create a memorial site for the boys. Please send your check or cash donation to Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County at 6824 19th St. W. #139 in University Place, WA 98466. Any donations received over the cost of the memorial site will go toward beautification of the site and toward supporting other victims of crime in our community. Crime Stoppers is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization and all donations are tax-deductible.

believe09
02-15-2012, 07:33 PM
If we are a snap shot of the general public and this is how strongly everyone feels, I am also grateful to Crimestoppers for providing a buffer around their graves while the burial of their father/murderer is sorted out.

While I dont agree with everyone's responses to my post, :innocent:, I apologize for inserting an insensitive comment that did not take into consideration the extreme suffering of the Cox family and those who love the boys.

Just K
02-15-2012, 07:34 PM
EDIT: NEVERMIND....
(Does anyone one have a contact or a link for Pierce County CrimeStoppers?)
Great minds!

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 07:36 PM
Does anyone one have a contact or a link for Pierce County CrimeStoppers?

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D7605353%26posted%3D1%23post76053 53&v=1&libid=1329348904608&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpcrimestoppers.com%2Fcase.ph p%3Fid%3D377&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26p%3D7605338&title=Josh%20Powell%20Burial%20-%20Page%203%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpcrimestoppers.com%2Fcase.ph p%3Fid%3D377&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13293489359271

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 07:38 PM
How about the cemetery ... Can we call and let them know how we feel??

believe09
02-15-2012, 07:40 PM
How about the cemetery ... Can we call and let them know how we feel??

Can we table this? Their hands might be tied-the restraining order may give them enough legal leg to stand on. I suspect that they know how we feel...and it seems likely they feel the same way.

Jacie Estes
02-15-2012, 07:40 PM
I'm having really ugly thoughts ..... *smirk*

SOMEBODY.STOP.ME.....

Road trip? I'm in!

x_files
02-15-2012, 07:41 PM
:denied:

:skip::skip:
CRIME STOPPERS
:yourock:

I would not be surprised if other groups don't start purchsing more plots
surrounding the boys!

YEAH!!!
The madness needs to stop. Save it for Susan.

gngr~snap
02-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Can we table this? Their hands might be tied-the restraining order may give them enough legal leg to stand on. I suspect that they know how we feel...and it seems likely they feel the same way.

I agree the cemetery didn't invite the family to bury him there!
Looks like the public's got it taken care of along with Crime Stoppers.
A restraining order may not even be needed! :D

Jacie Estes
02-15-2012, 07:50 PM
PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in

https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff

Reading this gave me chills. What a great thing to do; kudos to them.

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 07:50 PM
I agree the cemetery didn't invite the family to bury him there!
Looks like the public's got it taken care of along with Crime Stoppers.
A restraining order may not even be needed! :D

I'd like to see him barred from the whole cemetary. Of all the cemetaries in this world, why does he have to be buried in this one?

Just K
02-15-2012, 07:59 PM
This is an honest question: Where have other serial killers been buried? Because, if we count Susan, that evil JP killed at least four people (including himself) I think that qualifies as a serial killer.

lynnview21
02-15-2012, 08:05 PM
Thank you, Crime Stoppers:))))

JustJax
02-15-2012, 08:06 PM
They should have a public funeral and put him in the same place he put Susan. Then, Susan could be moved to where her boys are.

Definitely not near the boys. That is incredibly wrong on so many levels. I can't believe the P's are still doing this "stuff". Just let the Coxes be in peace.

This is just insane, Powell family. Drop it.

IMO
I'll do ya one better...he does not deserve to be buried until Susan can be. <modsnip>...

LCoastMom
02-15-2012, 08:13 PM
If we are a snap shot of the general public and this is how strongly everyone feels, I am also grateful to Crimestoppers for providing a buffer around their graves while the burial of their father/murderer is sorted out.

While I dont agree with everyone's responses to my post, :innocent:, I apologize for inserting an insensitive comment that did not take into consideration the extreme suffering of the Cox family and those who love the boys.

:grouphug: I can't even imagine what you and the other mods have been through in the last 10 days. No one deserves to be attacked for stating their opinion. Least of all someone(s) who give(s) as much as you (all) do. :grouphug:

JustJax
02-15-2012, 08:13 PM
CrimeStoppers buys cemetary plots to keep Josh Powell away from boys

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/CrimeStoppers-buys-plots-to-keep-Josh-Powell-away-3334185.php#ixzz1mV0aLmxJ
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/CrimeStoppers-buys-cemetary-plots-to-keep-Josh-3334185.php

strawberry
02-15-2012, 08:14 PM
This is an honest question: Where have other serial killers been buried? Because, if we count Susan, that evil JP killed at least four people (including himself) I think that qualifies as a serial killer.

Well Jeffrey Dahmer was cremated:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5186

So was Ted Bundy:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3089

Concerned Papa
02-15-2012, 08:23 PM
CrimeStoppers buys cemetary plots to keep Josh Powell away from boys

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/CrimeStoppers-buys-plots-to-keep-Josh-Powell-away-3334185.php#ixzz1mV0aLmxJ
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/CrimeStoppers-buys-cemetary-plots-to-keep-Josh-3334185.php

As far as I'm concerned, along with the others in this video, Crime Stoppers has proven there really are Angels Among Us.

Alabama - Angels Among Us - YouTube

Mosby
02-15-2012, 08:29 PM
:denied:

:skip::skip:
CRIME STOPPERS
:yourock:

I would not be surprised if other groups don't start purchsing more plots
surrounding the boys!

I sure hope so. I'm be more than willing to make a donation.

To the poster who suggest the Coxes move the boys elsewhere, I'd be more than willing to donate to that as well.

I know that WS is victim-friendly, but jeez this family is making it really hard.

bessie
02-15-2012, 08:36 PM
Mod Note: Just a random reminder that WS does not allow organizing or promoting fundraising campaigns on the board without the approval of the owners.

believe09
02-15-2012, 08:43 PM
I sure hope so. I'm be more than willing to make a donation.

To the poster who suggest the Coxes move the boys elsewhere, I'd be more than willing to donate to that as well.

I know that WS is victim-friendly, but jeez this family is making it really hard.

BBM-boy oh boy, you nailed my sentiments exactly.

Dr. Know?
02-15-2012, 08:46 PM
Pierce County Sheriff buys plots to prevent Josh Powell from being buried near slain boys

snipped

Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their own money and funds from Crime Stoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to buy plots two and four. The boys are buried together in number three.

more at link

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=108&sid=628606&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Great guys to do this. Woot! The bad part is look at the picture, it looks like a whole new section.

peeples
02-15-2012, 09:01 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10418602-police-buy-cemetery-plots-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-next-to-his-boys?fb_ref=.Pjlltokvlg8.like&fb_source=home_multiline

Cubby
02-15-2012, 09:17 PM
The Powell family realy should consider a very PRIVATE burial/memorial.
IF they truely love/care about jp!
Whatever they do should be secret and very low keyed.
Away from the Cox family.
Is there no Powell plots???
great grandparents etc?



I agree.. Not only should the living Cox family have a peaceful place to visit the boys, imagine what kind of vandalism might occur to JP if not buried privately. I imagine a lot of urine and a lot of spit. Not that I am suggesting it, but there are people out there who will do that type of thing, and other things.

I'm really glad crime stoppers stepped in and purchased the grave sites next to the boys.

I also hope the cemetery is legally able to refuse to bury JP in that cemetery.

Cubby
02-15-2012, 09:21 PM
Everyday, I think that I will not be brought to tears re: the boys, the Cox Family and there loved ones. Everyday, I am wrong!


It's something else isn't it? I did not follow the case closely and have only been reading sporatically since the boys were murdered. I didn't think it could get worse and the Powell family could/would continue to try and "raise the bar" (to put it politely) and I find myself shaking my head that they would even consider burying JP near the boys. Some truly know no boundaries.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 09:22 PM
I agree.. Not only should the living Cox family have a peaceful place to visit the boys, imagine what kind of vandalism might occur to JP if not buried privately. I imagine a lot of urine and a lot of spit. Not that I am suggesting it, but there are people out there who will do that type of thing, and other things.

I'm really glad crime stoppers stepped in and purchased the grave sites next to the boys.

I also hope the cemetery is legally able to refuse to bury JP in that cemetery.

Yeah and there might be people that would poor gasoline on the grave so the grass won't grow ... Or acid on the stone so you can't read the name ..... (man, am I glad I'm in Tx)

disclaimer ... I don't know anyone who would do those things....

imo

Cubby
02-15-2012, 09:25 PM
Yeah and there might be people that would poor gasoline on the grave so the grass won't grow ... Or acid on the stone so you can't read the name ..... (man, am I glad I'm in Tx)

disclaimer ... I don't know anyone who would do those things....

imo


Very true. There would be all kinds coming out of the woodwork to desecrate the grave. If the Powell family has any feelings for those boys they will make the choice both should be laid to rest without the mess that would happen by making JP's place of burial public and his being buried near the boys.

Not only for the Cox family, but for EVERY family with loved ones buried there, so they can all visit their loved ones without the mess that will happen if JP is buried there.


ETA: If the Powell family was smart, they would have JP cremated and delay burial for sometime until much of the emotion with this passes over. Maybe even bury him with another family member? Perhaps that might keep people from desecrating the grave. Personally, I don't believe a quick burial is in anyone's best interests.

TexasCharm
02-15-2012, 09:26 PM
Really, I imagine the JP camp .. And probably JP wrote .. That 'the haters' were trying to keep the boys away from him in life .. And now they are doing it in death ...

Poor persecuted Josh.

Man, I wish they could step back and get a clearer picture ... He was a VERY flawed man ...

Sad.

Sharai
02-15-2012, 09:30 PM
His final wishes, maybe .. another "ef u" ...
Seems that way.

rotterdam
02-15-2012, 09:34 PM
Man, how he must have hated the Coxes to come up with such a "post death" scheme.
Anyway, if he is a decent distance away, does it really matter that much?
He is dead. It would be worse for the Coxes if he was still alive, pampered in jail and only the boys were dead.

Sharai
02-15-2012, 09:36 PM
Every few days it is something new with this nightmare. First the murders, then the news of the chopping injuries, then the child porn, now this insane request. And I don't have a good enough memory to list all the other outrageous things that happened between the day Josh murdered Susan and the day he murdered her sons.

He isn't a martyr, he's a sick murderer and he shouldn't even go to potter's field.
Amazing that he managed to set in motion harrassment beyond the grave. His dedication to evil is beyond belief.

Sharai
02-15-2012, 09:38 PM
PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in

https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff
Wow. What a kind and generous act.

AnaTeresa
02-15-2012, 09:44 PM
Pierce County Sheriff buys plots to prevent Josh Powell from being buried near slain boys

snipped

Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their own money and funds from Crime Stoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to buy plots two and four. The boys are buried together in number three.

more at link

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=108&sid=628606&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Great guys to do this. Woot! The bad part is look at the picture, it looks like a whole new section.

BBM. Bless them. These men are heroes to act so quickly.

gitana1
02-15-2012, 10:11 PM
Yes, that's what decent-minded people would do. If my brother did something like this, I would quietly have him cremated and either keep the ashes inside my own house or toss them somewhere he liked to be. But I would do it all quietly because I would be ashamed of what he did.

But this family appears so disordered by the generations of parental alienation and outright hatred, decency is non-existent for them. They can do whatever they want and everyone else is wrong and the enemy. It's quite frightening. It seems only Jennifer got out of that mess. God bless her. She must be made of some tough, golden stuff.


Every few days it is something new with this nightmare. First the murders, then the news of the chopping injuries, then the child porn, now this insane request. And I don't have a good enough memory to list all the other outrageous things that happened between the day Josh murdered Susan and the day he murdered her sons.

He isn't a martyr, he's a sick murderer and he shouldn't even go to potter's field.

It's even worse. First it was the murder of Susan. Second, it was the coward refusing to allow the Coxes to see her surviving children. Third, his refusal to allow them to have any of her belongings. Fourth was his and his father's taunting of the Coxes with Susan's belongings by, instead of returning them to the Coxes, threatening to publicize her silly teenage journals. Fifth was accusing them of abusing Susan as a child. Sixth was the coward and his father attempting, with disgusting little smirks, to destroy Susan's reputation, by claiming she wanted a sexual relationship with her mentally ill, stalker father-in-law, and claiming she was a sexually suggestive person who ran off with some other guy. Then came the seventh new nightmare, murdering Susan's little sons. And finally, the eighth fresh hell is the coward, through his surviving family, demanding to be buried next to Susan's children, the same babies he brutally destroyed with an axe and fire.

This family is so outside the bounds of normal decency they do not appear human, at all.


I would like to see JP dropped in the ocean. No stone to mark a grave, I don't want anyone to say his name again. At least with a burial at sea his death will have had some meaning - he'll be fish food which is more than he amounted to in life.

I will never say his name again. Once he killed Charlie and Braden, I refused to use his name. He's "the coward" to me now and always will be.


Fair enough guys. I understand your point of view. I never even considered the trauma of the Cox's viewing Josh's name on his stone.

I would love the hate to end. There is so much tragedy here already.

I hear ya', but the hate came from one end. This is not a case of two families warring. This is a case of a lovely, dignified and patient family being murdered and tormented by one man, and his father, while most of his siblings supported that conduct. The Coxes NEVER expressed hatred toward the coward. The expressed bewilderment, anguish, fear, desperation. Never hate.

That came from one direction. But I'm sending it right back to his dead corpse and the corpse's pseudo-human father. I hate the coward and his father for what they did to the Coxes - destroying Susan and then her boys and torturing the Coxes with new evil every chance they got. Torturing two, sad, scared parents who just wanted to know what happened to their baby and to see her lovely children again and hug them and make sure they were okay. Yeah, I hate him and that hate does not end because he offed himself after "surprising" Susan's children by axing them to death and letting them burn in an inferno he created.

And I hate the actions of some of the coward's surviving family. Much like their brother, they are showing no humanity, no compassion to a family who have lost almost everything because of the actions of their beloved monster.

Hate doesn't end just because the demon who created it is in hell. What he has done will have ramifications that last several lifetimes.

gwenabob
02-15-2012, 10:13 PM
I sure hope so. I'm be more than willing to make a donation.

To the poster who suggest the Coxes move the boys elsewhere, I'd be more than willing to donate to that as well.

I know that WS is victim-friendly, but jeez this family is making it really hard.

I don't really see the Powells as victims. I see them as enablers and accomplices after the fact.

Kimster
02-15-2012, 10:17 PM
I understand that everyone is very upset. I really do. I'm upset as well. However, we need to stop the comments about what to do with JP's remains.

:tyou:

mck16
02-15-2012, 10:21 PM
I understand that everyone is very upset. I really do. I'm upset as well. However, we need to stop the comments about what to do with JP's remains.

:tyou:

thanks for deleting my post. I was going back to do the same. Not a very nice thing for me to say.

Salem
02-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Okay Guys - A reminder here. This post lands at random.

We don't call names. I understand everyone is upset. I'm pretty upset myself. But we don't post the uglyness. If necessary - we write out the post and then erase it, before hitting submit.

Crimestoppers stepped in here and have taken the high road. Let's follow their lead. They didn't bash and trash, they just did what they could and it was A LOT.

WS does consider the extended Powell family to be victims. And while some of their actions are questionable - we are not going to trash and bash them. Try to keep in mind that they are probably reeling also and while that may not be an excuse for their behavior, it does make them victims of JP's actions.

So, when talking about the extended Powell family, remember we attack the behavior, not the person committing the behavior - just like we attack the post and not the poster.

If you have concerns, please feel free to pm any mod and we will give you a hand.

Thanks,

Salem

diphi
02-15-2012, 10:35 PM
The extended Powell family's behavior is reprehensible.

IMO

Thinker Belle
02-15-2012, 10:43 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

gwenabob
02-15-2012, 10:46 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

It doesn't matter to the dead at all. It matters to the living. That's what cemeteries are for. For the living to come and feel peace and quiet and think about the love they feel for the departed. Josh's family is trying to destroy the Coxes' ability to feel that peace. It is not fair and should be stopped.

diphi
02-15-2012, 10:49 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

IDK, Thinker Belle...it just seems to matter a lot for many...

IMO

Thinker Belle
02-15-2012, 10:51 PM
It doesn't matter to the dead at all. It matters to the living. That's what cemeteries are for. For the living to come and feel peace and quiet and think about the love they feel for the departed. Josh's family is trying to destroy the Coxes' ability to feel that peace. It is not fair and should be stopped.

I do agree with you completely and now that I really look at it, it is pretty repulsive. It is not fair that those who would like to mourn those little angels should have to also look at the grave of the one who murdered them. His remains should be put elsewhere for the sake of the Cox family, IMO.

Thinker Belle
02-15-2012, 10:52 PM
I guess I am just thinking that it doesn't matter in the sense, that it those little boys will not hurt from it. But I do agree it is a slap in the face to those left behind.

katydid23
02-15-2012, 10:55 PM
God Bless Crimestoppers. What a wonderful thing to do. I bet they end up using those burial plots for someone more worthy and in need of a place to rest forever.

What a selfless act to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak.

mysteriew
02-15-2012, 11:04 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

That's very true. But the living have to live with what happened and grieve the remains of their family. Should they have to walk by the grave of the person they believed destroyed their family, in order to visit the graves of the ones they lost? When they go to the graves of the boys, should they have to watch people grieve for the killer?

Aedrys
02-15-2012, 11:24 PM
I knew it. I knew there was going to be controversy with the burials. I thought it would be with the boys at first, but what do you know, it's with Josh. He wanted control from beyond the grave, and I bet he knew some of his family would try to make it happen for him. I am so disgusted with some of the Powells. They are even worse than the Anthonys. Unbelievable that they can't leave well enough alone after what Josh did! Sorry, Josh. You don't get those boys in death, and you sure as heck don't get lay beside them for eternity. You gave up that right when you killed them! I am eternally grateful to Crimestoppers for buying those plots! God Bless them for that! Hopefully someday, the right person will be laid to rest next to them, Susan!

gngr~snap
02-16-2012, 12:05 AM
OMG! It's 25 feet BEHIND the boys!
This video shows where it has been dug.
http://www.fox13now.com/videogallery/68135360/News/powell-burial***here

http://media.bonnint.net/seattle/7/725/72508.jpg

just below the last e in here!

passionflower
02-16-2012, 12:14 AM
After his burial I am wondering what will be next?
Maybe more to come, Some more surprises?
Hopefully allot of ANSWERS!

gngr~snap
02-16-2012, 12:17 AM
here is a better picture of where they want to bury "that man"
just in front of the bush between the first two trees (above the balloons)

http://media.king5.com/images/powell-grave-cropped-021512.jpg
http://www.king5.com/news/Josh-Powells-family-wants-burial-near-slain-boys-139381213.html?gallery=y&img=0&c=y#/news/Josh-Powells-family-wants-burial-near-slain-boys-139381213.html?gallery=y&img=2&c=y&c=y
The last known pic of JP at the Bank of America that the npolice released is also on this website gallery.

passionflower
02-16-2012, 12:19 AM
OMG! It's 25 feet BEHIND the boys!
This video shows where it has been dug.
http://www.fox13now.com/videogallery/68135360/News/powell-burial***here

http://media.bonnint.net/seattle/7/725/72508.jpg

just below the last e in here!

oh no, I just watched the video........on the hill looking down.........
to much!
Please cremate his remains and secretly spred them in a location only known to his immediate family...............................there will be to much desecration to holy burial grounds!

Dr. Know?
02-16-2012, 12:40 AM
25 feet from the boys but looking above the boys? Not appropriate at all. That takes a twisted logic in my book. He's not a martyr, JP could have provided more but he didn't to anyone except maybe his family, he's murdered 2 of his children and not proven yet, Susan their mom. Big wake up, if you kill your children, it's not acceptable. It's murder 1. The family should have never tried this action unless they planned a fight over the outrage, honestly. How sad and hopefully some logic will apply to the Powell family, somehow.

Josh murdered his boys. Fact.

Krisy
02-16-2012, 12:40 AM
I just have to say God Bless them for buying the plots next to the boys! Amazing that strangers care more than the man that should have loved them the most!

LNL
02-16-2012, 12:42 AM
Yep, the looking down part bothered me also.

CanManEh
02-16-2012, 12:50 AM
I didn't know about this untill tonighit after seeing anne bremner on JVM .What a Joke How dissrespectfull can one family be to another and no matter what the circumstance they still think he was a good father It's unbelievable almost well untill you actually sit down and listen to the sicko Spowell It's disgusting what these people are trying to do . Does this wanting him buried with the children also include the sister JP's sister I was of the impression she wanted nothing to do with any of them I hope thats still the case.

Stripehaven
02-16-2012, 12:55 AM
For heaven's sake, can't the cemetery decline to sell the plot to the Powells?? Or did they already own a plot, or plots, near the Coxes? So confused.

God bless Crimestoppers and Ed Troyer and Paul Pastor - but they certainly can't buy all the surrounding plots. This is HORRIBLE, especially since the proposed JP grave is overlooking the boys.

May Anne Bremner be successful in blocking this travesty.

Isabelle
02-16-2012, 12:58 AM
Didn't really know where to post this. I don't think I was the only one wondering if LE positively identified JP's body, and it looks like they did. Thank God.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53520152-78/powell-josh-steve-county.html.csp?page=2

A portion of the $6,500 Josh Powell withdrew from his bank account the day prior to the murder when to his Jeffrey Bassett via an electronic payment, Wood said. He transferred the rest to a bank account belonging to his sister, Alina Powell, and instructed her to pay bills with it.

Wood said dental records have positively identified Josh and Charlie Powell’s remains. There are no dental records for Braden, Wood said, but detectives were able to recognize his remains at the scene.

What is "Jeffrey Bassett"?? Thanks

brighidin
02-16-2012, 01:05 AM
What is "Jeffrey Bassett"?? Thanks

The word attorney should be in there as in "to his attorney Jeffrey Bassett."

HTH!

mysteriew
02-16-2012, 01:06 AM
What is "Jeffrey Bassett"?? Thanks

Isn't he an attorney that represented JP? I think this is him

http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/98310-wa-jeffrey-bassett-1267538.html


In her Jan. 12 order, the judge noted that Jeffrey Bassett, Powell’s attorney, was seeking to have Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, returned to their father’s care at a hearing set for the next week.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53514692-78/images-powell-hearing-child.html.csp

Dr. Know?
02-16-2012, 01:09 AM
Josh murdered both Charlie & Braden due to his selfish reason he couldn't live without them, well...That's about his feelings and not the two young boys, his sons might be adapting pretty well, he hacked them with an axe to try to kill before the fire. Murderers shouldn't be allowed to be placed by their victims. .

Dr. Know?
02-16-2012, 01:20 AM
I haven't been here as much but has this been declared a murder/suicide offically yet? tia

Allusonz
02-16-2012, 01:22 AM
Ok. This was my absolute breaking point.

I will pray that these 2 boys can rest in peace and the Cox family can visit them without additional reminders.

I hope the courts put this issue to rest once and for all as we all need closure.

Etilema
02-16-2012, 01:51 AM
I haven't been here as much but has this been declared a murder/suicide offically yet? tia

Yes. Not only did he intentionally set the fire, according to police, but also chopped the boys in their necks with a hatchet first.

tiredblondy
02-16-2012, 02:00 AM
I hope many others buy plots all around the boys. They can be sold at any time to others and one can be selective who they sell it to.

<modsnip>

SmoothOperator
02-16-2012, 02:15 AM
Did the cemetery not tell the sheriff when They plots next to boys that powell was being buried above the boys?????

Dr. Know?
02-16-2012, 02:21 AM
Did the cemetery not tell the sheriff when They plots next to boys that powell was being buried above the boys?????

I surely hope he hasn't been buried yet. It's only been 2 days so far since the release of his body? Gah..

AmandaReckonwith
02-16-2012, 02:59 AM
Just in case there are people who have not seen this,
here is the case archive, Murder/Suicide. It is a sub-album of the Susan Powell case.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Cox%20Powell%20%20-UT-/Murder-Suicide-%20A%20cowards%20way%20out/

CarmelEyesD
02-16-2012, 04:20 AM
Where I grew up, the way I grew up, suicides could not be buried in the cemetary-they weren't allowed to be buried in hallowed ground.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 04:28 AM
I hope many others buy plots all around the boys. They can be sold at any time to others and one can be selective who they sell it to.

<modsnip>

I think the point is that, as a municipal cemetery that does not already have any rules for exclusion, they *can't* be selective in sales. They have to sell to anyone who can buy a plot.

I imagine it will have to be settled in court. I'm guessing a court would probably say that JP may be buried in the same cemetery but not within sight of the boys' grave.

I think the Crimestoppers solution was inspired.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 04:31 AM
Where I grew up, the way I grew up, suicides could not be buried in the cemetary-they weren't allowed to be buried in hallowed ground.

As a municipal entity, I don't think the cemetery is allowed to observe the tenets of any particular religion.

rotterdam
02-16-2012, 05:33 AM
What a crazy twist to this tragedy. Why on earth would the Powell family even honor this outlandish request. <modsnip>.
And I bet, this cemetery will get some strange questions on future sales of lots. Like we want no lot close to this murderer.

Donjeta
02-16-2012, 05:35 AM
Pierce County Sheriff Paul Pastor and Detective Ed Troyer, who heads the anti-crime organization Crimestoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County, responded by buying the two plots on either side of the boys to make sure Josh Powell didn't wind up there. The cost is being paid by Crimestoppers, other organizations and private donations.


Read more: Josh Powell's family wants burial near slain boys - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19970671#ixzz1mXEykDco

There are some good people out there, I am glad to see.

rotterdam
02-16-2012, 05:40 AM
I think the point is that, as a municipal cemetery that does not already have any rules for exclusion, they *can't* be selective in sales. They have to sell to anyone who can buy a plot.

I imagine it will have to be settled in court. I'm guessing a court would probably say that JP may be buried in the same cemetery but not within sight of the boys' grave.

I think the Crimestoppers solution was inspired.

I agree, it should be out of sight when the Cox family visit the boys' grave and should also not even visible to them on their trip to the grave.

Innocent Bystander
02-16-2012, 07:26 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mW9Zn8OD?test=latestnews

:woohoo:

NocturnalLady
02-16-2012, 09:36 AM
What a mess. I agree that any place Josh is buried will have to consider vandalism and plan accordingly. I think that a restraining order to prevent Josh from being buried near his sons is a waste of energy, although I completely get the principal behind it.

They are dead. They are not going to care. War is being waged on dead bodies here.

The Cox family shouldn't have to experience pain every time they have to walk by that monster's grave just to get to "visit" their grandkids. I don't think JP should be allowed to ruin the Coxes visitation for the rest of eternity.

momtective
02-16-2012, 09:46 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mW9Zn8OD?test=latestnews

:woohoo:

I know! Don't cha just tove this! :great:

Two Washington state cops have purchased plots next to Josh Powell's young sons to prevent family members from burying him next to the boys he killed.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mYJDovpx

davehead21
02-16-2012, 09:56 AM
How does this keep happening? Just when I think this case can't get any worse, something happens to prove me wrong. This is just absolutely disgusting. These people are worse than the Anthonys.

artzypantz
02-16-2012, 09:59 AM
first thing that came to my mind......

altho he was placed in a tomb by those who loved him, Jesus burial place was guarded by the roman soldiers, only to have the Heavenly Angels roll the stone away and remove his body, that no longer housed his spirit.

I think its very important. Just because the spirit is no longer in the body does in no way suggest that burial of the dead is insignificant and unimportant to the eternal spirit, whoevers eternal spirit that may be.

(Adding to my post)
Wow.....im in no way connecting the two police officers who purchased the plots and the roman soldiers who guarded Jesus tomb in any manner. After posting this and then reading about the two cops purchasing to plots to protect charlie and braden i felt real strange about what i posted about the roman soldiers. I am very glad they did purchase those plots and i think i just read about powell family wanting to bury josh 25 feet away and looking toward the boys, well the first thoughts of this for me is josh is wanting to be above them and control the boys. He needs to be far away in my opinion.

just my thoughts....

RIP susan...charlie....braden

Kateyes
02-16-2012, 10:02 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mW9Zn8OD?test=latestnews

:woohoo:
Thanks, Innocent Bystander! You beat me to it - I had just copied the link and was going to post it when I saw your post. Welcome to Websleuths - it is the best forum, with members who are respectful of each other, and the victims and their families. Glad you found your way here!

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 10:04 AM
I agree, it should be out of sight when the Cox family visit the boys' grave and should also not even visible to them on their trip to the grave.

Well, that was just my speculation as to what a court might rule. I think it would be the fairest *legal* solution, since I can't think of any argument for not selling the Powell family some plot in a municipal facility.

I wonder if the Cox family will decide to move the boys to a private cemetery (if there are any), with rules that would allow for excluding Josh Powell's memorial. It is galling to think that after all their suffering, they might have to do this but it may be the most expedient solution.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 10:06 AM
first thing that came to my mind......

altho he was placed in a tomb by those who loved him, Jesus burial place was guarded by the roman soldiers, only to have the Heavenly Angels roll the stone away and remove his body, that no longer housed his spirit.

I think its very important. Just because the spirit is no longer in the body does in no way suggest that burial of the dead is insignificant and unimportant to the eternal spirit, whoevers eternal spirit that may be.

just my thoughts....

RIP susan...charlie....braden

It is a cultural thing, definitely. Other cultures feel differently about the disposition of human remains.

Since burial is apparently something important to the Cox family, I hope they can find a solution that satisfies them.

Just K
02-16-2012, 10:17 AM
http://www.tpcrimestoppers.com/case.php?id=377

Donations are being accepted by Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County to help pay for the memorial site for Charlie and Braden Powell at the Woodbine Cemetery in Puyallup, WA. Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County has purchased the plots surrounding Charlie and Braden Powell's place of rest to create a memorial site for the boys. Please send your check or cash donation to Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County at 6824 19th St. W. #139 in University Place, WA 98466. Any donations received over the cost of the memorial site will go toward beautification of the site and toward supporting other victims of crime in our community. Crime Stoppers is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization and all donations are tax-deductible.

Done! I have never felt more motivated to assist. I can definitely get behind this one!

Cubby
02-16-2012, 10:24 AM
As a municipal entity, I don't think the cemetery is allowed to observe the tenets of any particular religion.



I'm a little confused. How do we know this is a "municipal" entity? I guess I'd always assumed cemetery's were privately owned and like any "retailer" could refuse their services to whomever they chose. I never thought or considered cemeteries were governed by something similiar to say fair housing laws (for a lack of another example to use).

I'm not trying to be snarky. I honestly don't know.....

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm a little confused. How do we know this is a "municipal" entity? I guess I'd always assumed cemetery's were privately owned and as any "retailer" could refuse their services to whomever they chose. I never thought or considered cemeteries were governed by something similiar to say fair housing laws (for a lack of another example to use).

I'm not trying to be snarky. I honestly don't know.....

There are both privately and publicly owned cemeteries. The one where Charlie and Braden is buried is public:

http://www.cityofpuyallup.org/services/cemetery/

Hamsterdance
02-16-2012, 10:34 AM
I know! Don't cha just tove this! :great:

Two Washington state cops have purchased plots next to Josh Powell's young sons to prevent family members from burying him next to the boys he killed.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mYJDovpx


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mW9Zn8OD?test=latestnews

:woohoo:

Amazing!! I had just read this as well:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1132201--crimestoppers-buys-graves-so-josh-powell-can-t-be-buried-next-to-his-sons?bn=1

Totally made my day!

JP should not even be allowed in the same cemetary.

lorann
02-16-2012, 10:53 AM
When graves sites are purchased, one gets a deed, it is property. Often in the newspaper people have ads where they want to sell 2 or more graves sites - because it is property they own. There are certain parts of the cemetery that were sold with the provision that only one person would be interred per grave, other parts set up for couples, some set up for cremains only, some you can buy as few or as many spaces as you want.

I doubt there is anything that can prevent this murderer from being buried there and we know we can't count on good taste from his family.

waltzingmatilda
02-16-2012, 11:08 AM
Lack of empathy for others seems to be a character trait of the P clan in WA. (I am not saying all of the Powell's, just SP's clan) Ugh, they remind me of that Phelps cult clan with WBC. MOO. I was hoping that the P's would have a quiet ceremony and have JP cremated since he decided to straddle a gas can and go out with a bang while murdering Charlie and Braden too.

Tacky, tacky, tacky behavior by the P's! And not only tacky, but mentally and emotionally abusive toward the Coxes.

I agree w/ GrainneDhu that if JP's buried at the the top of that hill overlooking the boys, I would simply have them relocated to a different spot or a different cemetary. (if I could afford it, as I know it would be costly.) IMO

I am still aghast at the gall of the P's. Do they not consider the risk to his grave they are taking by burying him there where everyone knows his remains lie? Have they considered that his grave could be defaced? There are people out there who would do such a thing due to the shock and emotion of a father who uses a hatchet on his sons before he explodes the house!

I hope the cemetary considers the possible risk of JP being buried there too. Realistically, they may want to consider hiring extra security for a 'cooling off period'. JP is the most hated man in America right now, posthumously.

This is all Moo. Thanks for listening.

wm

Velouria
02-16-2012, 11:14 AM
Wondering if some of you local posters know anything about the Woodlawn Abbey Cemetery in Puyallup? From my Google search, it appears to be the town's only private cemetery.

Perhaps the donations could go towards helping the Coxes move the boys there instead. Just a thought...

Thinker Belle
02-16-2012, 11:19 AM
WOW. I did not realize that they wanted JP buried so close to Braden and Charlie. 25 feet??!!?? I was thinking it would be in the same cemetery, but maybe in a dark corner somewhere far from them, perhaps behind a tree or something. The gall of the Powell family is appalling. I agree with what a few others have mentioned.. they are worse than the Anthony's. They refuse to acknowledge that those boys were victims at the hands of their own father and won't give them dignity even in death. Disgusting.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 11:20 AM
Lack of empathy for others seems to be a character trait of the P clan in WA. (I am not saying all of the Powell's, just SP's clan) Ugh, they remind me of that Phelps cult clan with WBC. MOO. I was hoping that the P's would have a quiet ceremony and have JP cremated since he decided to staddle a gas can and go out with a bang while murdering Charlie and Braden too. But then this bunch would probably decide to scatter his ashes on the boys' grave as I wouldn't put anything past them at this point. Tacky, tacky, tacky behavior! And not only tacky, but mentally and emotionally abusive toward the Coxes.

I agree w/ GrainneDhu that if JP's buried at the the top of that hill overlooking the boys, I would simply have them relocated to a different spot or a different cemetary. (if I could afford it, as I know it would be costly.) If the P's then have JP's remains moved close to the boys, well that is pure harassment, IMO

I am still aghast at the gall of the P's. Do they not consider the risk to his grave they are taking by burying him there where everyone knows his remains lie? Have they considered that his grave could be defaced,<modsnip>? There are people out there who would do such a thing due to the shock and emotion of a father who uses a hatchet on his sons before he explodes the house!

I hope the cemetary considers the possible risk of JP being buried there too. Realistically, they may want to consider hiring extra security for a 'cooling off period'. JP is the most hated man in America right now, posthumously.

This is all Moo. Thanks for listening.

wm


I fully agree, well said. I'll add, I don't think there would be any problem with the expense of reburial if it came to that. I'm certain donations would pour in so quickly there would be an excess of funds which could be used in other ways to remember the boys.

passionflower
02-16-2012, 11:21 AM
I am feeling sorry for the people who have bought plots for their selves that will be around jp. Because we all know what people will do around his grave.
I would not want my loved one's grave next to his.
The family should keep this as low keyed as they can.......
maybe take his cremated remains 'camping'

Cubby
02-16-2012, 11:22 AM
Wondering if some of you local posters know anything about the Woodlawn Abbey Cemetery in Puyallup? From my Google search, it appears to be the town's only private cemetery.

Perhaps the donations could go towards helping the Coxes move the boys there instead. Just a thought...


Thank you. I wasn't aware there was only one private cemetery in Puyallup.

passionflower
02-16-2012, 11:25 AM
I hope the family does what is right.
Moving the boys is to sad for me to think of.
Let them rest in peace.
Do not let jp rest in peace!

artzypantz
02-16-2012, 11:30 AM
Wow i hope there is just a HUGE amount of public pressure that wins out concerning where josh will be buried. In my opinion josh needs to be in banishment & torment......far far away from susans sons....spiritually, literally, figuratively, and symbolicly......forever.

But a part of me wont be surprised if he does end up buried near them.
Those who have eyes to see will see, and those who are blind will remain blind even in the reality of the evil behavior josh displayed by the event of killing his own sons.

All of the past two years with the powell family has been disturbing at best, there has to be a triumph of good here....somewhere, somehow!

I do believe charlie and braden are in heaven with their mommy susan along with Jesus, but some part longs for good to triumph on earth also, concerning them.

21merc7
02-16-2012, 11:32 AM
I hope this all gets sorted out.

I don't understand wanting to bury him at all. The murderer clearly wanted to be cremated, why not make his final act just that. Why would you want a site for a murderer? You know it will just be defaced in some ugly way within hours. Why would you want anything that reminds anyone that a family member is a multiple murderer in town? I don't understand. This is the nicest thing I could say.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 11:36 AM
If JP is buried in the same cemetery as his boys, it would not surprise me in the least if someone choose to take JP out of that cemetery in the same manner he took out the boys. :innocent: Probably destroying more than just JP's grave.


The P family should really consider the public outrage when deciding where he should be buried.

No, I am not suggesting anyone do this. I'm just saying there are some crazy people out there who probably would and would not care about the repercussions.

waltzingmatilda
02-16-2012, 11:40 AM
I fully agree, well said. I'll add, I don't think there would be any problem with the expense of reburial if it came to that. I'm certain donations would pour in so quickly there would be an excess of funds which could be used in other ways to remember the boys.


Thanks Cubby! There's no doubt that the general public and us sleuths would rally around this cause. Those babies should not lay in rest just yards away from their murderer, that's just wrong. If I win the lottery, I will pay for relocating Charlie and Braden myself, if need be.

I am hoping and praying that the P's have a change of heart, moment of clarity, something to change their mind from going forward with this plan. (not really holding my breathe)

MOO

wm

grandmaj
02-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Property in a cemetery is owned by the property owner be it private or publicly owned property. When you purchase a lot you own the rights to the property for inurnment or interment. You don't own the actual real estate. Just the right to use it in perpetuity for the purpose stated on the deed. The property is not actually deeded out at the registry of deeds like real property would be. You don't get a tax bill on the property. The owner of the cemetery does.

I know years ago that wasn't the case and some old deeds were not conveyed properly. But in today's world that is how cemetery property is sold. Yes you have a right to resell the use of the lots. But the cemetery has to be involved and will issue a new use deed.

pip
02-16-2012, 12:13 PM
If the<modsnip> Powell's gets away with this and do plant JP in the vicinity of the kids, I hope that the Crime Stopper donations keep rolling in and are used to move Charlie and Braden to a private cemetery with a plot for Susan next to them and a beautiful memorial. It may be the only way to resolve this in the end. I just can't stand the thought of that evil, selfish, murdering JP anywhere near the kids. His sick reign of control needs to end here.

AngelWings444
02-16-2012, 12:50 PM
Well, for a family (or parts of the family) who complained tirelessly about the media, Internet and posting of opinions, they sure know how to throw themselves right back into the spotlight..and NOT in a good way. This latest "stunt" (and I do believe it's just that) has made national news today.

The Cox family was so generous and gracious when they put their feelings aside and allowed the P family to attend the services for the boys, now the P's pull this? Disgusting!!

Give the Cox family and those boys some PEACE for pete's sake!! :maddening:

Dr.Fessel
02-16-2012, 12:56 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-cemetery-decision-139445153.html

Powell family won't bury Josh Powell next to sons


Credit: PCSO

by Associated Press and KING 5 News

Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Updated today at 8:51 AM

Related:

CrimeStoppers buys plots to keep Josh Powell from boys' graves

SEATTLE -- A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah mom Susan Powell says they have been told her husband will not be buried in the same cemetery as the two sons he killed in an explosive house fire.

Attorney Steve Downing says he was informed by Josh Powell's estranged sister, Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision.

Downing says Susan's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, had threatened to move the boys' casket if Josh Powell were interred nearby.

Columbo
02-16-2012, 12:59 PM
I just heard on KTVU-channel 2 in S.F. that the coward will not be buried in the same cemetery as the boys. I hope this is true!

Dr. Fessel, sorry, I didn't see the sentence at the end of your post, stating the same thing....

Hurrah. Good triumphs over evil at least a little bit in this case.

momtective
02-16-2012, 01:05 PM
Finally, some good news in this terrible tragedy. Now I wish the Powell family would quietly fade away and let the Coxes find some much needed peace.

Dr.Fessel
02-16-2012, 01:09 PM
I just heard on KTVU-channel 2 in S.F. that the coward will not be buried in the same cemetery as the boys. I hope this is true!

Dr. Fessel, sorry, I didn't see the sentence at the end of your post, stating the same thing....

Hurrah. Good triumphs over evil at least a little bit in this case. I added it after your post.

This could be interesting. "Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision."

cleo612
02-16-2012, 01:12 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-cemetery-decision-139445153.html

Powell family won't bury Josh Powell next to sons


Credit: PCSO

by Associated Press and KING 5 News

Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Updated today at 8:51 AM

Related:

CrimeStoppers buys plots to keep Josh Powell from boys' graves

SEATTLE -- A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah mom Susan Powell says they have been told her husband will not be buried in the same cemetery as the two sons he killed in an explosive house fire.

Attorney Steve Downing says he was informed by Josh Powell's estranged sister, Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision.

Downing says Susan's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, had threatened to move the boys' casket if Josh Powell were interred nearby.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I do not trust anything that the Powell family says, at this point.

That is my opinion.

Stripehaven
02-16-2012, 01:25 PM
Very interesting if JP's mom or Jennifer has control of the remains. Or maybe they were somehow able to talk some sense into Alina.

I'm trying to tell myself that the effort to have JP buried near the kids might not be an "eff you," but more evidence that Alina and/or the other sibs are still struggling to reconcile the JP they, inexplicably, loved and supported with the sub-human he actually was. Not that their reasons matter; it just cannot be allowed to happen.

On this morning's local news (Seattle/Tacoma), it was announced the Crimestoppers has received $5,000 to purchase plots, and a local radio station raised $18,000! And it was also stated that this cemetary, being municipal, would have to sell a plot to the Powells, but could dictate which plot it would be.

I believe Ann Bremner is going ahead in seeking a restraining order as well.

The news of the donations made me cry more than anything else so far; I guess the only way we can stand living in a world that contains horrors like this case, is knowing that it also contains angels like Ed Troyer, Paul Pastor, and all the good and loving people who are helping in any way they can to support the Coxes.

I've liked Ed Troyer for a long time - he's a pretty high-visibility guy up here. What a good person.

BetteDavisEyes
02-16-2012, 01:38 PM
The Powells have no shame. <modsnip>. jmo

mysteriew
02-16-2012, 01:52 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-cemetery-decision-139445153.html

Powell family won't bury Josh Powell next to sons


Credit: PCSO

by Associated Press and KING 5 News

Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Updated today at 8:51 AM

Related:

CrimeStoppers buys plots to keep Josh Powell from boys' graves

SEATTLE -- A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah mom Susan Powell says they have been told her husband will not be buried in the same cemetery as the two sons he killed in an explosive house fire.

Attorney Steve Downing says he was informed by Josh Powell's estranged sister, Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision.

Downing says Susan's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, had threatened to move the boys' casket if Josh Powell were interred nearby.

Well thank goodness someone in that family is displaying some good sense and maybe even a little class.

But now the next thing to worry about is if JP is cremated. Guess where the ashes will be dumped. And for that there will be no way to stop it. All they would need would be a day when no one was around.

For that reason I hope the Cox's go ahead and purchase plots near the boys and put up a headstone. As a reminder to the P's that until Mom can be near, that Grandpop and Grandma will be close.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 02:03 PM
I added it after your post.

This could be interesting. "Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision."


Interesting. With pops in the slammer, the mother that he alienated from his children will be the one with the legal right to make the decision on where he is buried? Do I understand that correctly? Or will something like a will written by the murderer override his estranged mothers decisions?


I can't help but be a little leery here considering the alienation and estrangement within the P family.

mysteriew
02-16-2012, 02:10 PM
Interesting. With pops in the slammer, the mother that he alienated from his children will be the one with the legal right to make the decision on where he is buried? Do I understand that correctly? Or will something like a will written by the murderer override his estranged mothers decisions?


I can't help but be a little leery here considering the alienation and estrangement within the P family.

Good Points. Legally wouldn't Mom and Pops be JP's next of kin? And if Mom takes an action that Pops doesn't like, he would have to sue her to stop her. Which he could do I guess, but it might be difficult with him in the slammer.

Good question about whether or not JP left a legal will. Wonder if we could get any reporters checking on that? Did he leave a will and who are the excuters if he did?

Salem
02-16-2012, 02:34 PM
Okay Guys - it's time to step up and get our manners back in place. No more name calling, no more giving members of the public ideas (you know what I mean) and no more bashing.

Let's just hope the Powell's follow through on the latest news. In the meantime, we need to bring our focus back to Susan, the boys and the Cox family. We need to show them the respect they deserve and we need to do our best to honor the message from Mr. Cox regarding this horrible and very tragic situation.

Thanks,

Salem

BetteDavisEyes
02-16-2012, 02:36 PM
Just posted on my Comcast homepage:

Dad won't be buried in Wash. near sons he killed
By GENE JOHNSON, AP
47 minutes ago

SEATTLE — The man who killed his two sons in an explosive house fire in Washington state will not be buried in the same cemetery as the children, his family said Thursday.

Kirk Graves, the brother-in-law of Josh Powell, told The Associated Press that his mother has decided to give up a plot tentatively reserved at Woodbine Cemetery overlooking the boys' final resting place...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120215/US.Missing.Mom.Utah.Burial/

Oops! Sorry. Looks like someone already posted this AP news above.

Pensfan
02-16-2012, 02:46 PM
What can the Cox family do now to stop more harassment and lies? Can the Cox family quickly "trademark" Charlie's and Braden's name (or take other legal action involving their names) so that the Powells cannot use their names in books/blogs/memorials which will cause more pain to the Cox family? (I doubt this is the end of the Powells harassment.)

sayd
02-16-2012, 02:49 PM
Good Points. Legally wouldn't Mom and Pops be JP's next of kin? And if Mom takes an action that Pops doesn't like, he would have to sue her to stop her. Which he could do I guess, but it might be difficult with him in the slammer.

Good question about whether or not JP left a legal will. Wonder if we could get any reporters checking on that? Did he leave a will and who are the excuters if he did?

Legally, I think Susan is his next of kin. She hasn't been declared dead and they are still married.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 02:58 PM
Legally, I think Susan is his next of kin. She hasn't been declared dead and they are still married.


Hmm, interesting. Who is next in line -legally- then being Susan is not available to make those decisions?

Where oh where is gitana1, our verified attorney, when we need one?

I can't help but think wouldn't it be a hoot if Susans parents were the ones with the legal ability to make those decisions in lieu of Susan? but I don't want to make that leap being a non expert.

mysteriew
02-16-2012, 03:24 PM
Legally, I think Susan is his next of kin. She hasn't been declared dead and they are still married.

And since she isn't available, does that put the Cox's in charge?

mysteriew
02-16-2012, 03:26 PM
What can the Cox family do now to stop more harassment and lies? Can the Cox family quickly "trademark" Charlie's and Braden's name (or take other legal action involving their names) so that the Powells cannot use their names in books/blogs/memorials which will cause more pain to the Cox family? (I doubt this is the end of the Powells harassment.)

The A's tried that and it didn't work. Most likely they won't be able to stop them unless they make an untrue allegation against the Cox's.

TexasCharm
02-16-2012, 03:28 PM
Okay Guys - it's time to step up and get our manners back in place. No more name calling, no more giving members of the public ideas (you know what I mean) and no more bashing.

Let's just hope the Powell's follow through on the latest news. In the meantime, we need to bring our focus back to Susan, the boys and the Cox family. We need to show them the respect they deserve and we need to do our best to honor the message from Mr. Cox regarding this horrible and very tragic situation.

Thanks,

Salem

:seeya: Guilty .. and consider myself admonished!

:couch:

It's just soooooooooooooo hard sometimes!

Meri
02-16-2012, 03:42 PM
I'm a little confused about which plots Crime Stoppers bought (God Bless Them). Were there two open plots right next to the boys and they bought those?? Not the one that is up on the hill, between the two trees, right? The whole area where the boys are looks like a new part of the cemetery as I don't see any other headstones at all - it looks like there would be a lot of places to bury Josh Powell beyond the two right next to the boys.

grandmaj
02-16-2012, 03:56 PM
This is how I would make that determination for the case of a burial. Cremation would be different.

Spouse or if not available as in this case

next in line

Children if they are of legal age- in this case both minors are deceased

next in line

Birth Parents one or both for (burial)

next in line

Siblings

grandmaj
02-16-2012, 03:58 PM
I'm a little confused about which plots Crime Stoppers bought (God Bless Them). Were there two open plots right next to the boys and they bought those?? Not the one that is up on the hill, between the two trees, right? The whole area where the boys are looks like a new part of the cemetery as I don't see any other headstones at all - it looks like there would be a lot of places to bury Josh Powell beyond the two right next to the boys.

The boys were buried in the middle space of 3 in that block. They had an empty space on each side of them. Those two empty spaces were purchased by Crimestoppers.

gitana1
02-16-2012, 04:00 PM
Hmm, interesting. Who is next in line -legally- then being Susan is not available to make those decisions?

Where oh where is gitana1, our verified attorney, when we need one?

I can't help but think wouldn't it be a hoot if Susans parents were the ones with the legal ability to make those decisions in lieu of Susan? but I don't want to make that leap being a non expert.

His next of kin after his wife would be his parents. One is in jail, so it should be his mother. However, if he left instructions in a will, then other family could fight whatever the mother does, if it goes against the provisions of the will.


And since she isn't available, does that put the Cox's in charge?

No.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/#ixzz1mW9Zn8OD?test=latestnews

:woohoo:

I want to give credit where credit is due. Innocent Bystander posted this news before anyone else and everyone passed it by or misread it! I waded through numerous posts anguishing about the burial plans, thinking "Hey, didn't you guys see?" before someone else finally re-posted the news!

Hopefully, the coward's mother can make sure this happens.

chasing.halos
02-16-2012, 04:02 PM
I've had to sit on my hands and not post in this thread for fear of being beamed up. :kimsterwink:

Man I am glad that it looks like he won't be buried near them. HOW DARE THEY.

katydid23
02-16-2012, 04:11 PM
Crimestoppers was very kind because I bet the Cox's themselves would want to be buried next to their beloved grandsons. Or, hopefully, Susan's remains if they are found. :rose:

Dr.Fessel
02-16-2012, 04:17 PM
READ: Statement from Josh Powell's mother regarding Josh's burial

Terrica Powell, Josh Powell's mother, issued the following statement to FOX 13 News regarding the burial of her son.

We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh’s burial arrangements. We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort. We have made the determination that Josh will not be buried at Woodbine Cemetery, but are in the process of making other arrangements. Thank you to all who have so lovingly supported us in this time of inexpressible anguish. Our hearts go out to all of you who – like us – are reeling with shock and grief.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/seenontv/kstu-read-statement-from-josh-powells-mother-regarding-joshs-burial-20120216,0,5226795.story

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 04:47 PM
Oh...thank God! This must be a huge relief to the Cox family.....for once they are finally given some reprieve from the devastation that other family has caused them for so long!


READ: Statement from Josh Powell's mother regarding Josh's burial

Terrica Powell, Josh Powell's mother, issued the following statement to FOX 13 News regarding the burial of her son.

We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh’s burial arrangements. We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort. We have made the determination that Josh will not be buried at Woodbine Cemetery, but are in the process of making other arrangements. Thank you to all who have so lovingly supported us in this time of inexpressible anguish. Our hearts go out to all of you who – like us – are reeling with shock and grief.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/seenontv/kstu-read-statement-from-josh-powells-mother-regarding-joshs-burial-20120216,0,5226795.story

gitana1
02-16-2012, 04:55 PM
My heart goes out to Terrica whose relationship with most of her children was destroyed by a madman, who helplessly watched as her son was disfigured by a monster, such that he eventually chose to become a monster himself and who saw her grandchildren slain as a result of the generations of evil she married into.

But who thought for one moment that the idea of burying the coward anywhere near Susan's boys would be a loving, considerate and respectful decision? I'm glad they have seen the light.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 05:03 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-cemetery-decision-139445153.html

Powell family won't bury Josh Powell next to sons

SBM

Amazing.

I find myself saying yet again "I didn't see THIS coming" but this time with relief rather than horror.

passionflower
02-16-2012, 05:04 PM
Terrica shows class, love and I am sorry for her in many ways.
She made the right decision.
Now I hope she can lay her son to rest secretly.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 05:13 PM
My heart goes out to Terrica whose relationship with most of her children was destroyed by a madman, who helplessly watched as her son was disfigured by a monster, such that he eventually chose to become a monster himself and who saw her grandchildren slain as a result of the generations of evil she married into.

But who thought for one moment that the idea of burying the coward anywhere near Susan's boys would be a loving, considerate and respectful decision? I'm glad they have seen the light.

Excellent post, very well said. I pray no one in the P family tries to fight Terrica's loving, kind and considerate actions here. She, like the Cox's, have had more than their share of uphill battles. I'm afraid I will still be leery until the burial of JP actually occurs away from his boys. If only because I fear her decision will be fought as they were in the past.

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 05:31 PM
On Wednesday morning he received a call from the management telling him the Powells had reserved a plot. According to Troyer, not only had they reserved the plot but a hole was already being dug for Josh's remains.

<<snipped>> then more:


Those who were in Puyallup for the boys' funeral services last weekend said Josh's mother, Terrica "Terri" Powell, was in attendance at the public and private graveside ceremonies for her grandsons. "She knew what cemetery the boys were buried in, all right," an anonymous source told Examiner.com Thursday morning.


http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/pierce-county-sheriff-confirms-powell-family-was-buying-plot-digging-hole

LinasK
02-16-2012, 05:35 PM
My heart goes out to Terrica whose relationship with most of her children was destroyed by a madman, who helplessly watched as her son was disfigured by a monster, such that he eventually chose to become a monster himself and who saw her grandchildren slain as a result of the generations of evil she married into.

But who thought for one moment that the idea of burying the coward anywhere near Susan's boys would be a loving, considerate and respectful decision? I'm glad they have seen the light. I'm guessing Alina???:waitasec:

Meri
02-16-2012, 05:40 PM
I don't know how you want us to discuss the father without feeling anger and voicing such anger. The boy's grandparents--same thing. We're not talking someone who committed petty theft here.

I'm trying to look at it like this - Josh Powell, himself, was once just like his little boys. Had he not been raised by a madman, only God knows what kind of person he could have been.

AngelWings444
02-16-2012, 05:45 PM
I'm trying to look at it like this - Josh Powell, himself, was once just like his little boys. Had he not been raised by a madman, only God knows what kind of person he could have been.
Many people escape horrible situations and do not murder their wife, nor their children. Josh's sister managed to get out and become a better person. Josh made his own decisions to be a vile "human" being and a murderer.

Glad someone in that family has a lick of sense. Hopefully, this is the last we will hear from them until Susan is found and brought home to rest next to her boys.

Cubby
02-16-2012, 06:08 PM
Many people escape horrible situations and do not murder their wife, nor their children. Josh's sister managed to get out and become a better person. Josh made his own decisions to be a vile "human" being and a murderer.

Glad someone in that family has a lick of sense. Hopefully, this is the last we will hear from them until Susan is found and brought home to rest next to her boys.


BBM. Sadly, I have to agree with this. Josh chose to maintain a relationship with his father long after he became an adult and had the choice to sever ties.

At some point, we have to stop excusing behavior because of childhood events when people become adults.

I can only pray with time, the rest of the P family is able to see with some clarifity how destructive their family is/was and place the responsibility where it appropriately belongs. It does not diminish their good memories or the love they had.....

The bible tells us to 'love the sinner, but hate the sin'. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves of such.

Meri
02-16-2012, 06:09 PM
Many people escape horrible situations and do not murder their wife, nor their children. Josh's sister managed to get out and become a better person. Josh made his own decisions to be a vile "human" being and a murderer.

Glad someone in that family has a lick of sense. Hopefully, this is the last we will hear from them until Susan is found and brought home to rest next to her boys.

I knew someone would post this and I do agree. But, I think Josh was singled out by his father more than the other kids, groomed to be as sick as his dad. I don't think Josh ever stood a chance of even knowing what normal was. I'm not excusing him, believe me. But, we all know that abuse is the 'gift' that keeps on giving. God only knows what he put those two babies through during their short lifetime.

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 06:11 PM
I'm trying to look at it like this - Josh Powell, himself, was once just like his little boys. Had he not been raised by a madman, only God knows what kind of person he could have been.

Does anyone remember one of the most horrific cases of child abuse that I've ever heard of (the victim wrote a book about it called "A Child Called It". He went through more torture and abuse then I've ever heard before. He is now grown and married with children and a good man.

I believe that no matter what you go through, you can CHOOSE whether you will live the same kind of lifestyle when you are older and continue to cry that you're a victim.

OR

You can CHOOSE to realize that what happened to you was wrong and that you will not repeat that violence or type of behavior that you were brought up with.

Isabelle
02-16-2012, 06:11 PM
READ: Statement from Josh Powell's mother regarding Josh's burial

Terrica Powell, Josh Powell's mother, issued the following statement to FOX 13 News regarding the burial of her son.

We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh’s burial arrangements. We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort. We have made the determination that Josh will not be buried at Woodbine Cemetery, but are in the process of making other arrangements. Thank you to all who have so lovingly supported us in this time of inexpressible anguish. Our hearts go out to all of you who – like us – are reeling with shock and grief.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/seenontv/kstu-read-statement-from-josh-powells-mother-regarding-joshs-burial-20120216,0,5226795.story

So sorry for his mother.

rotterdam
02-16-2012, 06:57 PM
My heart goes out to Terrica whose relationship with most of her children was destroyed by a madman, who helplessly watched as her son was disfigured by a monster, such that he eventually chose to become a monster himself and who saw her grandchildren slain as a result of the generations of evil she married into.

But who thought for one moment that the idea of burying the coward anywhere near Susan's boys would be a loving, considerate and respectful decision? I'm glad they have seen the light.

You have to give people under stress the benefit of doubt when they make a controversial decision. It is possible that Terrica is convinced JP has nothing to do with the disappearance of Susan. And probably excused his insane crime as a result of harassment by LE that made him snap. Personally I think that JP left some kind of instructions about the handling of his remains. And she was just honoring his last wishes without any rational thinking.

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 07:03 PM
You have to give people under stress the benefit of doubt when they make a controversial decision. It is possible that Terrica is convinced JP has nothing to do with the disappearance of Susan. And probably excused his insane crime as a result of harassment by LE that made him snap. Personally I think that JP left some kind of instructions about the handling of his remains. And she was just honoring his last wishes without any rational thinking.

Pardon me but I do not have to give someone who is under stress of whatever kind any benefit of the doubt. In my opinion - what is right, is always going to be right. What is wrong, is always going to be wrong.

I'm not going to go into my own personal heartbreaking or emotional sob stories but, no matter what devastating or horrific things happen to you in your life - if you have a pure heart - you will always do the right thing.

Meri
02-16-2012, 07:09 PM
Problem with that, the "right" thing is pretty subjective.

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 07:16 PM
Problem with that, the "right" thing is a pretty subjective.

I would suppose that you mean that in your opinion doing what is the right thing to do is subjective.

I have never had that opinion. To me, what is right and what is wrong is almost always crystal clear.

Kimster
02-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Let's start to move back toward the topic. Sounds like it has resolved itself. Thank Goodness!!!!

rotterdam
02-16-2012, 07:57 PM
Pardon me but I do not have to give someone who is under stress of whatever kind any benefit of the doubt. In my opinion - what is right, is always going to be right. What is wrong, is always going to be wrong.

I'm not going to go into my own personal heartbreaking or emotional sob stories but, no matter what devastating or horrific things happen to you in your life - if you have a pure heart - you will always do the right thing.

BBM. Right or wrong is always in the eyes of the (individual) beholder.
If it was that simple and concrete, there would be no wars, fights etc.
That said, I do hope that they will find Susan soon. So the Coxes can really have closure and peace. Glad this troubling episode has come to a common sense closure.

hollyblue
02-16-2012, 08:04 PM
BBM. Right or wrong is always in the eyes of the (individual) beholder.
If it was that simple and concrete, there would be no wars, fights etc.
That said, I do hope that they will find Susan soon. So the Coxes can really have closure and peace. Glad this troubling episode has come to a common sense closure.

Agree. If you only live in the black and white, your missing a whole lot shades of grey that you've never seen before.

JSR
02-16-2012, 08:06 PM
My heart goes out to Terrica whose relationship with most of her children was destroyed by a madman, who helplessly watched as her son was disfigured by a monster, such that he eventually chose to become a monster himself and who saw her grandchildren slain as a result of the generations of evil she married into.

But who thought for one moment that the idea of burying the coward anywhere near Susan's boys would be a loving, considerate and respectful decision? I'm glad they have seen the light.

That's the point I don't think it was a loving, considerate and respectful decision. I doubt that Terrica was the one who sought to bury Josh next to Susan's sons. I'm sure that Jennifer Graves (Josh's seemingly only sane sibling) would have advised her that it would have been a incredibly cruel thing to do. And Terrica is actually living with Jennifer.

No this choice sounds like something the other Powells would do. This sounds much like the Powell's who blamed everyone who could walk, with the exception of the one person who made his own choices, Josh himself.

To me this sounded very much like a one last big eff you to the Coxes.

Which pretty much goes in line with the Powell MO with the exception of Josh's mother and one sister (Jennifer).

I'm just glad that the Powell family decided to do something right, for once.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm trying to look at it like this - Josh Powell, himself, was once just like his little boys. Had he not been raised by a madman, only God knows what kind of person he could have been.

Thank you was not enough.

I agree with you. And even SP was once a little boy and who knows what happened to him? I don't condone their actions but I do try to feel compassion for them as human beings.

I had the advantage of a loving family and yet I've hurt people at times when I lost my way. I've never killed anyone and I hope I have never caused such pain that they could not consider forgiving me. I hope that those I've hurt have found it within themselves to forgive me, as I forgive those who have hurt me.

I sure don't know what I would be like today if I had been raised the way JP apparently was (judging from his parent's divorce filings).

Who am I to do less for someone else than what I hope to receive for myself?

waltzingmatilda
02-16-2012, 08:27 PM
"His sister and their mother, Terrica Powell, went to the cemetery. It was Josh's sister Alina who had actually picked out the plot that still has wood over the top of it," Troyer said.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Pierce County Sheriff: Confirms Powell family was buying plot, digging hole - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/pierce-county-sheriff-confirms-powell-family-was-buying-plot-digging-hole#ixzz1matqorup

Thank goodness for Terrica Powell being a voice of reason. Bless her.

wm

Gypsy Road
02-16-2012, 08:28 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

I understand what you are saying, but it would matter to me if I were a family member. I wouldn't want the grave of the killer just steps away from my grandbabies. Just imagine the emotions it would stir in the Cox family.

To some people, it does matter where bodies are laid to rest. Not to some mind you - (a few come to mind here - the Powells, the Anthonys - oh I digress) but to others it does matter. It gives a family a place to go, to pray, to lay flowers, etc. I can totally understand why the Cox family was upset about this and am so thankful that Crimestoppers acted so quickly and bought the plots.

Gypsy Road
02-16-2012, 08:38 PM
Does anyone remember one of the most horrific cases of child abuse that I've ever heard of (the victim wrote a book about it called "A Child Called It". He went through more torture and abuse then I've ever heard before. He is now grown and married with children and a good man.

I believe that no matter what you go through, you can CHOOSE whether you will live the same kind of lifestyle when you are older and continue to cry that you're a victim.

OR

You can CHOOSE to realize that what happened to you was wrong and that you will not repeat that violence or type of behavior that you were brought up with.

Thank you so much for this post!

Maybe Josh was abused as a child, but he knew right from wrong as an adult. He had choices! And he chose to murder his children!

princesspjs
02-16-2012, 08:39 PM
BBM. Right or wrong is always in the eyes of the (individual) beholder.
If it was that simple and concrete, there would be no wars, fights etc.
That said, I do hope that they will find Susan soon. So the Coxes can really have closure and peace. Glad this troubling episode has come to a common sense closure.

The only part you bolded in my post was the fact that I said "In my opinion". Then you went on to spout your OPINION as fact. WTH?

I will never agree with you that right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder. I can't even wrap my mind around that type of thinking. So, JP blew his kids up and it was the right thing to do in his mind so you're ok with that since it was his interpretation of what is right. :what:

I'm not buying it and I will never understand how you came to your life decision that right and wrong is speculative.

Wars and fights have NOTHING to do with right and wrong. They have to do with greed, dishonesty, nuclear weapons, broken treaties or one government (usually the US) trying to force another one to think and do as they do.

When I talk about right and wrong - especially in these WS forums, I'm not talking about wars and unrest in other countries. I am talking about these individuals who murder and rape and lie and steal and kidnap and torture other people - the basic right and wrong of MORAL VALUES and HUMAN COMPASSION.

One of the most obvious morally wrong things to do would be to bury JP anywhere near his precious children that he hatcheted about their necks and heads to unconsciousness and then he blew them up to smithereens!

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 08:44 PM
I understand what you are saying, but it would matter to me if I were a family member. I wouldn't want the grave of the killer just steps away from my grandbabies. Just imagine the emotions it would stir in the Cox family.

To some people, it does matter where bodies are laid to rest. Not to some mind you - (a few come to mind here - the Powells, the Anthonys - oh I digress) but to others it does matter. It gives a family a place to go, to pray, to lay flowers, etc. I can totally understand why the Cox family was upset about this and am so thankful that Crimestoppers acted so quickly and bought the plots.

BBM

To add to your list of people to whom it apparently doesn't matter where a body ends up, you can add billions of Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

It really is a cultural thing, not just the province of the Powells or the Anthonys.

utmomof2
02-16-2012, 08:49 PM
Regardless of the Powell family's intentions, I am so glad that he will not be buried near those precious boys. I am glad that they have reconsidered.

rotterdam
02-16-2012, 08:54 PM
"His sister and their mother, Terrica Powell, went to the cemetery. It was Josh's sister Alina who had actually picked out the plot that still has wood over the top of it," Troyer said.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Pierce County Sheriff: Confirms Powell family was buying plot, digging hole - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/pierce-county-sheriff-confirms-powell-family-was-buying-plot-digging-hole#ixzz1matqorup

Thank goodness for Terrica Powell being a voice of reason. Bless her.

wm

Terrica Powell lost a son and two grandchildren in a horrific crime/suicide. Let us not forget that. And I venture some folks got to her and even threatened to disturb JP's grave site unless they changed the location.
It is not going to happen now so let us stop pointing accusing fingers about something that never materialized anyway and without really knowing who came up with the idea in the first place. My money is still on JP. However, it is over now. JP is dead. He can not hurt folks anymore.

Gypsy Road
02-16-2012, 09:03 PM
BBM

To add to your list of people to whom it apparently doesn't matter where a body ends up, you can add billions of Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

It really is a cultural thing, not just the province of the Powells or the Anthonys.

LOL. Thanks. I had no idea there was province called the Powells or the Anthonys. Maybe there should be:waitasec: ?

It matters to the Cox family, so I guess that's really all that matters here, and I'm just glad for them that they will not have to worry about this matter any longer. Those poor folks have had to deal with too much already. My heart goes out to them.

Meri
02-16-2012, 09:04 PM
The only part you bolded in my post was the fact that I said "In my opinion". Then you went on to spout your OPINION as fact. WTH?

I will never agree with you that right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder. I can't even wrap my mind around that type of thinking. So, JP blew his kids up and it was the right thing to do in his mind so you're ok with that since it was his interpretation of what is right. :what:

I'm not buying it and I will never understand how you came to your life decision that right and wrong is speculative.

Wars and fights have NOTHING to do with right and wrong. They have to do with greed, dishonesty, nuclear weapons, broken treaties or one government (usually the US) trying to force another one to think and do as they do.

When I talk about right and wrong - especially in these WS forums, I'm not talking about wars and unrest in other countries. I am talking about these individuals who murder and rape and lie and steal and kidnap and torture other people - the basic right and wrong of MORAL VALUES and HUMAN COMPASSION.

One of the most obvious morally wrong things to do would be to bury JP anywhere near his precious children that he hatcheted about their necks and heads to unconsciousness and then he blew them up to smithereens!

We are ALL on the same side here. I think you are missing what the poster above, and myself, have really been trying to say. There was nothing about what Josh Powell did that was right, in his mind or anyone else's.

GrainneDhu
02-16-2012, 09:31 PM
LOL. Thanks. I had no idea there was province called the Powells or the Anthonys. Maybe there should be:waitasec: ?

It matters to the Cox family, so I guess that's really all that matters here, and I'm just glad for them that they will not have to worry about this matter any longer. Those poor folks have had to deal with too much already. My heart goes out to them.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/province


prov·ince (prvns)
n.
1. A territory governed as an administrative or political unit of a country or empire.
2. A division of territory under the jurisdiction of an archbishop.
3. provinces Areas of a country situated away from the capital or population center.
4. A comprehensive area of knowledge, activity, or interest: a topic falling within the province of ancient history. See Synonyms at field.
5. The range of one's proper duties and functions; scope or jurisdiction.
6. Ecology An area of land, less extensive than a region, having a characteristic plant and animal population.
7. Any of various lands outside Italy conquered by the Romans and administered by them as self-contained units.

I used the word "province" in the sense of definition #4 or 5 above.

Sulamith
02-16-2012, 09:32 PM
Color me old fashioned..but I would have had a private service, not a media event. The whole mess has been turned into a media circus.

JSR
02-16-2012, 09:32 PM
What does it matter where the bodies are buried? The souls are no longer within the bodies and in Eternity are in 2 entirely separate places anyways..

That's same line of thinking Cindy Anthony reasoned when confronted with what her daughter did to her granddaughter by throwing her in a swamp. That the body no longer matters when the soul is gone. Although I believe what Cindy spewed that the body is just a shell it still doesn't mean you can go willy-nilly and disrespect both a murder victim (even if it is just their shell) and the loved ones of the murder victims.

A final resting place is supposed to be restful and peaceful. It truly isn't meant for the person who has already gone but is for the loved ones left behind. It would have been incredibly disrespectful for the Coxes to have to pass by Josh's grave to visit their grandsons. It's Josh who single evenhandedly wiped out the entire family. I see no reason to still allow him to control the family he killed even in death.

gitana1
02-16-2012, 11:20 PM
BBM. Sadly, I have to agree with this. Josh chose to maintain a relationship with his father long after he became an adult and had the choice to sever ties.

At some point, we have to stop excusing behavior because of childhood events when people become adults.

I can only pray with time, the rest of the P family is able to see with some clarifity how destructive their family is/was and place the responsibility where it appropriately belongs. It does not diminish their good memories or the love they had.....

The bible tells us to 'love the sinner, but hate the sin'. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves of such.


I knew someone would post this and I do agree. But, I think Josh was singled out by his father more than the other kids, groomed to be as sick as his dad. I don't think Josh ever stood a chance of even knowing what normal was. I'm not excusing him, believe me. But, we all know that abuse is the 'gift' that keeps on giving. God only knows what he put those two babies through during their short lifetime.


Does anyone remember one of the most horrific cases of child abuse that I've ever heard of (the victim wrote a book about it called "A Child Called It". He went through more torture and abuse then I've ever heard before. He is now grown and married with children and a good man.

I believe that no matter what you go through, you can CHOOSE whether you will live the same kind of lifestyle when you are older and continue to cry that you're a victim.

OR

You can CHOOSE to realize that what happened to you was wrong and that you will not repeat that violence or type of behavior that you were brought up with.

I think the coward was irreparably damaged by his father's evil. But, everyone does have a choice. Children, for example, have an innate sense of fairness and know innately if something is right or wrong. I agree with Meri that he would have been totally different if not raised by steve powell. But, I don't think he would have been a strong, ethical human being if not abused as he was. Innate character AND choice likely play a part.

The fact is, the emotional abuse he was subjected to did twist his soul but as an adult, he decided to embrace evil and he did have another choice. His mother provided that choice to him his whole life. He made the decision. As a result, now he is dead and dead he shall remain.

gitana1
02-16-2012, 11:22 PM
I'm not really following your line of thinking. Can you explain? I don't see how choosing a church, or choosing to murder your children can be compared. Or am I misunderstanding your post? Please accept my apology in advance if I misinterpreted your post.

I took it to mean why did she give him an ultimatum instead of just getting out and fast. The point being that a choice is not always that easy.

txsvicki
02-16-2012, 11:44 PM
All I have to say is that narcissism/pychopathy can be inherited, but what it looks like IMO is simply that a controlling serial killer wanted ultimate control of helpless victims even after death. I highly doubt if the little boys will ever see him again on resurrection day at all, but 1,000 to 1,007 years later when the final judgement is meted out.

Peazzzer
02-17-2012, 12:03 AM
Oh my!!! The roller coaster ride this thread was!! I am so glad that a decision was made regarding this matter. May comfort come to those who need it, all of them. I am just so grateful that this was not my family going thru all of this! I am so thankful! I hope I never have to suffer the way the Cox family has or suffer the loss they have at the hands of another "family" member.
How sad that the grieving was postponed for the Cox family. Jee whiz, the anguish I was feeing for them was just awful and I don't know them! They have such grace and dignity, something Josh lacked so miserably. I feel wherever Josh is laid to rest will cause pain or sadness to anyone buried nearby. How sad is that? Infamy. Wow.

susan1122
02-17-2012, 12:06 AM
All I have to say is that narcissism/pychopathy can be inherited, but what it looks like IMO is simply that a controlling serial killer wanted ultimate control of helpless victims even after death. I highly doubt if the little boys will ever see him again on resurrection day at all, but 1,000 to 1,007 years later when the final judgement is meted out.

I have been thinking about how a personality disorder can be genetic. Does a psychopath, who was raised by a very sick person or psychopath have a choice? I don't know. In some cases yes, and in some, maybe, no? It is an interesting question that I don't have an answer for.

Storm
02-17-2012, 01:12 AM
Problem with that, the "right" thing is pretty subjective.

Murder is not subjective. The "right" thing is not subjective.

I was born into a horrifically dysfunctional family...I can remember
starting to think of how I could escape if I had to at 6 years old..
I spent the next 12 years imagining how I'd make my life different.
In the end, I had to set boundaries..I understood that when my
1st son was born..They don't know my family (except for one
awesome brother) and now that they are 30 and 23, they've
told me that they can't imagine how hard it was to literally give
up your birth family. I explained that you would do anything for
your children.
The "right" thing is not subjective. If you have a conscience
and the intelligence to know right from wrong...it's just not
a choice. We know when we do the wrong thing and so did
Josh and that man didn't have a conscience..^i^

hollyblue
02-17-2012, 01:48 AM
I keep thinking of a relative of mine when we entered into a discussion of the war in Iraq, the belief systems, etc. The relative is very stern in their religious beliefs, and stated they would try to tell the Muslims they were wrong in their beliefs. They were "just wrong". I tried to tell them that the Muslims had prolly been following their family's belief system for generations, as ours did ours, and would prolly turn to them and say they were "just wrong". Long story short....relative never "got" it. My relative's belief system was so ingrained they wouldn't fathom to think anyone could believe just as strongly in another religion. They were willingly indifferent to the point of no acknowledgement....it was unthinkable to them. I see the same for JP. He was so ingrained with his belief in way things should be...because his family was appropriate and knew best. The controlling and narcissistic behaviors of his father. I'd bet SP, being the negative and critical person (& twisted) criticized many to his children, including their mother and other relatives...and just about anyone who didn't view the world from his perspective. SP bent, molded and controlled JP to his death as sure as JP lead his children into his den of inferno. Somehow, and I hope someone can put it together, but SP's obsession with Susan was not only a convenience for his sexual perversions while she was living there, but in maintaining control over JP also. Susan won control over JP by moving to UT, that had to highly impact SP. Maybe SP fed JP lies upon lies about Susan's willingness with him, etc. to turn JP loyalty back to him? Women were only good for their bodies...producing YOUR children and controlling. Basically, what I'm trying to say is SP had controlled, lied and manipulated JP (not nurtured) into being so ef'd up JP didn't have a snow balls chance. No telling what JP or any of his siblings had to live thru, especially after Jen left. Men keep, raise and control their children...the courts said "No" to everything JP had been raised to believe in from the time he knew there was a difference between male and female and their prospective role models.

Poor Susan, she had no way out with the children. JP and his father wouldn't let that happen....ever...

**I was thinking today about what it must be like in that house now with just AP and the mentally challenge brother. Can't help but think they will be in news down the road...somehow. If AP or MP went into counseling and wrote a book about their lives with SP, they'd make a mint; but their perspective is prolly so skewed with dysfunction, it's unlikely.

JMO, IMO, etc.

Melanie
02-17-2012, 02:34 AM
I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I'm pleased to see that the monster won't be buried at the same cemetary as the boys:

Josh Powell will not be buried in the same cemetery where his two sons were laid to rest, according to his mother.


Source: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20570986,00.html

pip
02-17-2012, 04:59 AM
From an outsiders perception of this family... with the facts we know...
I would have to say I believe JP's mother was/is obviously a victim as well, and feels very sad and guilty for the outcome of her children because of the influence her husband SP has had on them. She has likely chosen to support JP out of that guilt and sadness. I feel she hasn't come to full grips of the fact that her son JP had become as bad as SP and blames herself somehow. It seems the Graves have been supportive and protective of her, yet have made it somehow clear that she has not come to grips, or has not made rational/sensible decisions because of her confusion/guilt. I would say to her...
You have been victimized enough. Let go. Stand up and say NO MORE. You have lost one child, a daughter in law and two grandsons. Let go of the guilt over your damaged children and be proactive, Save the one's who are left behind, still semi-functioning in a deluded haze. Wake up, own up, step up and shout out. No more passive hiding. Speak up and help your surviving children to heal and become healthy of mind and soul. Break the cycle. You have support.

bessie
02-17-2012, 10:07 AM
I removed several posts that had veered way off track, and I could have removed more. The topic is JP's burial. Thank goodness, that issue seems to be resolved. The thread might close later, but while it's open please limit your comments to the controversy surrounding the Powell family's first choice to bury Josh at the same cemetery as the boys, and now his mother's announcement that they will not go forth with that decision, after all.

Oriah
02-17-2012, 11:32 AM
Thank you, bessie.

Murderers die every day. They are murdered themselves, they commit suicide, they die of disease or accident. Some take innocent lives with them, and some don't.
No matter the situation, there are inevitably other living and innocent victims in these victimizers' lives... and personally, I think these 'left behind' victims are perhaps the most damaged of all. They have to live with every decision they have ever made- anything that may have inadvertantly aided a murderer.

My heart breaks for these victims nearly as much as it breaks for the victims of murderers.

I am glad that the issue of burial seems to have been resolved, but my heart will continue to break for the innocent members of both the Cox and the Powell families.

I cannot imagine having to make a decision of where to bury my child under such intense duress and pain- especially if I was fully aware of the terrible things my child had done. :(

The Cox's have been amazingly gracious throughout this terrible time. I think Josh's mother has returned that grace.

I hope WS's can continue that chain of grace.

Hope that makes sense.

mamamia54
02-17-2012, 11:38 AM
From an outsiders perception of this family... with the facts we know...
I would have to say I believe JP's mother was/is obviously a victim as well, and feels very sad and guilty for the outcome of her children because of the influence her husband SP has had on them. She has likely chosen to support JP out of that guilt and sadness. I feel she hasn't come to full grips of the fact that her son JP had become as bad as SP and blames herself somehow. It seems the Graves have been supportive and protective of her, yet have made it somehow clear that she has not come to grips, or has not made rational/sensible decisions because of her confusion/guilt. I would say to her...
You have been victimized enough. Let go. Stand up and say NO MORE. You have lost one child, a daughter in law and two grandsons. Let go of the guilt over your damaged children and be proactive, Save the one's who are left behind, still semi-functioning in a deluded haze. Wake up, own up, step up and shout out. No more passive hiding. Speak up and help your surviving children to heal and become healthy of mind and soul. Break the cycle. You have support.

Actually you make alot of sense. The woman COULD do something positive now, as well as could Jennifer. They could both stand up against the sickness that must have permeated the Powell family for as long as it existed. Jennifer is the only daughter that stood up, now it's time that her mother did the same.

As far as where they bury the monster, who really cares? The only thing that he is now, is a bag of bones.

watchinginky
02-17-2012, 01:11 PM
Thank you, bessie.

Murderers die every day. They are murdered themselves, they commit suicide, they die of disease or accident. Some take innocent lives with them, and some don't.
No matter the situation, there are inevitably other living and innocent victims in these victimizers' lives... and personally, I think these 'left behind' victims are perhaps the most damaged of all. They have to live with every decision they have ever made- anything that may have inadvertantly aided a murderer.

My heart breaks for these victims nearly as much as it breaks for the victims of murderers.

I am glad that the issue of burial seems to have been resolved, but my heart will continue to break for the innocent members of both the Cox and the Powell families.

I cannot imagine having to make a decision of where to bury my child under such intense duress and pain- especially if I was fully aware of the terrible things my child had done. :(

The Cox's have been amazingly gracious throughout this terrible time. I think Josh's mother has returned that grace.

I hope WS's can continue that chain of grace.

Hope that makes sense.

:goodpost: Very nicely said.

DLT88
02-17-2012, 02:58 PM
That's same line of thinking Cindy Anthony reasoned when confronted with what her daughter did to her granddaughter by throwing her in a swamp. That the body no longer matters when the soul is gone. Although I believe what Cindy spewed that the body is just a shell it still doesn't mean you can go willy-nilly and disrespect both a murder victim (even if it is just their shell) and the loved ones of the murder victims.

A final resting place is supposed to be restful and peaceful. It truly isn't meant for the person who has already gone but is for the loved ones left behind. It would have been incredibly disrespectful for the Coxes to have to pass by Josh's grave to visit their grandsons. It's Josh who single evenhandedly wiped out the entire family. I see no reason to still allow him to control the family he killed even in death.

I think that anyone who treats a dead body like garbage, also had no respect for that soul who once inhabited that body. I treat my recently-deceased pets' bodies with respect and will even do that with any dead wildlife I see. As I see it, the body is/was the temple where that soul resided and deserves to be treated respectfully.

So JP had no respect for Susan since he dumped her body in some mine or whatever. He also had no respect for his sons either doing that to their bodies -- and kicking all 3 of them out of their bodies which he had no right at all to do.

Getting angry again. Sometimes I'm sitting at my PC and see his photo and the anger wells up and I yell "You SOB!!!" I guess I have no respect for JP's body since he didn't have respect for anyone else's. But if I were his sister or mother, I might feel differently, I admit.

BetteDavisEyes
02-17-2012, 03:44 PM
Does the Mormon faith allow cremation? If this is an option, perhaps the family of Josh Powell should consider it. jmo

wenwe4
02-17-2012, 03:58 PM
Does the Mormon faith allow cremation? If this is an option, perhaps the family of Josh Powell should consider it. jmo

Highly frowned upon, I do not know one practicing Member of the LDS church that has ever had a family member opt for cremation. Usually funerals are held with viewing of the body and are open casket.

Jacie Estes
02-17-2012, 05:37 PM
It would be ironic if he were to be buried in a Mormom ceremony. Wasn't that the crux of the problem he and steve had with Susan?

Jacie Estes
02-17-2012, 05:41 PM
I think that anyone who treats a dead body like garbage, also had no respect for that soul who once inhabited that body. I treat my recently-deceased pets' bodies with respect and will even do that with any dead wildlife I see. As I see it, the body is/was the temple where that soul resided and deserves to be treated respectfully.

So JP had no respect for Susan since he dumped her body in some mine or whatever. He also had no respect for his sons either doing that to their bodies -- and kicking all 3 of them out of their bodies which he had no right at all to do.

Getting angry again. Sometimes I'm sitting at my PC and see his photo and the anger wells up and I yell "You SOB!!!" I guess I have no respect for JP's body since he didn't have respect for anyone else's. But if I were his sister or mother, I might feel differently, I admit.

I agree with you; even in hunting, American Indian cultural practice is to honor the animal that is killed. jp had no respect for Susan, his sons or any one.

OT...DLT88, I carry a package of Bugler tobacco in the vehicle and have been known to stop and offer tobacco for deer, birds and other wildlife. :)

gwenabob
02-17-2012, 07:27 PM
Highly frowned upon, I do not know one practicing Member of the LDS church that has ever had a family member opt for cremation. Usually funerals are held with viewing of the body and are open casket.

We had my father cremated, but only because that was his wish. It is unusual and not recommended, but not something anyone would do or say anything about.

Besides, Josh wasn't a Mormon anymore. He left the church and disavowed its teachings.

passionflower
02-17-2012, 09:34 PM
Highly frowned upon, I do not know one practicing Member of the LDS church that has ever had a family member opt for cremation. Usually funerals are held with viewing of the body and are open casket.

he is 1/2 on his way to being cremated by himself........
since he hated mormons so badly, maybe we can hope he is buried
in a mormon cemetary.

Zoe Bogart
02-18-2012, 09:17 PM
Herman Webster Mudgett, aka Dr. Henry Howard Holmes, a notorious serial murderer in the years before and during the World's Columbian Exposition (Chicago World's Fair) of 1893, was tried and hanged in Philadelphia, then buried in Holy Cross Cemetery (Roman Catholic), Delaware County, Pennsylvania, many states away from his family members in Massachusetts. He'd sell his victims' skeletons to medical schools. His evil deeds were notorious, yet the Archdiocese allowed his burial in one of their cemeteries. His executed body is encased in concrete and his grave has no headstone.

My point is, in Mudgett's case, even the most vile are buried among the law-abiding citizens of this world, but often, their graves are unmarked or have a simple stone with only initials and/or dates. Not all, but many.

I would imagine burying the notorious would be a huge problem for cemetery owners, managers, sextons.

One would hope the families of such people would be considerate of those who will be unknowingly burying their own loved ones near the grave of the notorious. :please:

stilettos
02-18-2012, 09:44 PM
I removed several posts that had veered way off track, and I could have removed more. The topic is JP's burial. Thank goodness, that issue seems to be resolved. The thread might close later, but while it's open please limit your comments to the controversy surrounding the Powell family's first choice to bury Josh at the same cemetery as the boys, and now his mother's announcement that they will not go forth with that decision, after all.

Thank you God that the resting place of these innocent children will not be marred by the remains of the animal (no offense to animals..they are better than he) that viciously took them from the earth. I have nothing but vile things to say about the monster. I would think the family might want to keep his grave location private.