I would love to let Darlie Kee know....

[Cindee]

Read all the Darlie Books, watched all media coverage, 20/20, 48 Hours, American Justice.....You name it, the media seems to keep us still guessing. Am I the only one who feels this way? About a year ago I purchased MTJD on Ebay from Dpskee, little did I know it was Darlie Kee. Let me tell you, what a piece of garbage that book was! It read like Halloween What? I'd like to ask the idiot CWB if Michael Myers (the halloween man) ever returned to Eagle Drive or Rowlett or anywhere near that area. In my opinion, this book did more harm than good. Makes that snake Darin look shi...... than the other three. Oh yeah, Mr. Most Likely to Succeed, livin' large but too dumb to hire a lawyer. Yea, let's just play dumb and dumber this way the Police will think were innocent. I wonder if Mama still loves her son-in-law??? :behindbar Would love to see him in there too!

[Jeana (DP)]

Hi and welcome to Websleuths!! Yes, Mama Darlie still loves . . . or pretends to love Darin. She knows that HE KNOWS it all. He can be the one to end all of the charades. She's got a handful of rabid supporters who remember her birthday, mother's day (gives me the creeps), etc. They keep her in stationery and stamps and money on her books. If she (or Darin) ever come clean, there are going to be some pretty angry people.

As for the "book," yes, I've heard from many other people that they were on the fence before they bought the book, but quickly fell to the side of the prosecutor once they were finished with it. The so-called "author" of the book did a horrible disservice to Darlie Lynn. LOL Not that I'm too upset about that. ;)

I'm not naive enough to think that every person on death row is guilty, but I won't shed a tear on the day of Darlie's execution.

[Dani_T]

The only reason to even open the cover of MTJD is for the photos. Don't be tempted to believe the captions under them though - they are absolutely riddled with errors... some of them so big that either CWB has a gross misunderstanding of certain parts of the case or else he decided to just say what he wanted to and facts be damned.

Has your book got a autograph from Darlie Kee in the front of it like mine? ;) Open your eyes to the injustice in texas- Darlie Kee

[Jeana (DP)]

The only reason to even open the cover of MTJD is for the photos. Don't be tempted to believe the captions under them though - they are absolutely riddled with errors... some of them so big that either CWB has a gross misunderstanding of certain parts of the case or else he decided to just say what he wanted to and facts be damned.

Has your book got a autograph from Darlie Kee in the front of it like mine? ;) Open your eyes to the injustice in texas- Darlie Kee


HaHaHa!! No the one and only CWB himself signed mine!! :rolleyes:

[Jeana (DP)]

One other thing about Darlie Kee. Although I don't approve of her methods, I do understand at least at the core, of what she's doing. She's lost two grandsons and will most likely lose one of her daughters. I would be doing everything in my power too to save my daughter's life. However, that's where our similarities end.

By continuing the lies started by her daughter and son in law, I believe Darlie Kee has hindered Darlie's trial and appeals process.

I believe that a jury can tell when its being lied to. There was absolutely no way this jury was going to believe the lies told by the Routiers. Those lies continued for years after the trial. Some have been admitted to, but many remain. If you're on trial in Texas for murdering your two boys in their sleep with a butcher knife and get on the witness stand and lie, you're going to the death house. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

[Dani_T]

Although I don't approve of her methods, I do understand at least at the core, of what she's doing. She's lost two grandsons and will most likely lose one of her daughters. I would be doing everything in my power too to save my daughter's life.

Absolutely.

[Mary456]

"The only reason to even open the cover of MTJD is for the photos."

And even some of the photos must be taken with a grain of salt. No doubt in my mind that CWB has altered some of those pictures, especially the ones of Darlie's left arm.

Look at her left arm in MTJD (dark purple) and then read Jody Cotner's testimony about yellow-green bruises, several days old, on that same arm. Someone is distorting the truth, and it ain't Jody Cotner.

[cami]

I think Darlie Kee is eaten up with guilt and that's what motivates her. She wasn't the best mother to those three girls. She herself says she left the two youngest ones to be practically raised by Darlie. Darlie may have carried a lot of hidden anger and resentment into adulthood. It appears she did anyway by her treatment of the children in the last year or so of their lives. Especially Devon. My opinion only.

[Jeana (DP)]

I think Darlie Kee is eaten up with guilt and that's what motivates her. She wasn't the best mother to those three girls. She herself says she left the two youngest ones to be practically raised by Darlie. Darlie may have carried a lot of hidden anger and resentment into adulthood. It appears she did anyway by her treatment of the children in the last year or so of their lives. Especially Devon. My opinion only.


I think that's definately part of it.

[stlouischili]

I've read a couple of books about this case, but I never paid much attention to this one because I'm a "Darlie Did It" kind of girl.

Now I'm curious. What in this book caused people to turn to the prosecutor's side? If there's too much to post, could you just point me in the right direction where I can get a copy?

Also, was this written by Darlie Kee with a ghostwriter (or co-writer)?

[Jeana (DP)]

I've read a couple of books about this case, but I never paid much attention to this one because I'm a "Darlie Did It" kind of girl.

Now I'm curious. What in this book caused people to turn to the prosecutor's side? If there's too much to post, could you just point me in the right direction where I can get a copy?

Also, was this written by Darlie Kee with a ghostwriter (or co-writer)?

I never dreamed that she did it in the days immediately following the murders. I was caught totally off guard. However, once the pieces started falling into place, there was no other way for me to look at it. So, unfortunately I can't answer your question, but hopefully someone else here can.

Darlie Kee didn't write the book, but I'm sure she had a hand in it.

[Nehemiah]

So, if you knew little about this case, which book would you say is the absolute best?

[Jeana (DP)]

So, if you knew little about this case, which book would you say is the absolute best?


Nehemiah, my recommendation would be to purchase a copy (used if you can) of Media Tried, Justice Denied and read the transcripts. The photos along with what actually came out in court is better than 100 books authored by "true crime" writers with little more than their opinion and the time to make it into a book. No offense to any "true crime" writers in the forum!

[cherub]

what floored me was that the family would publish death photos of the boys for the world to see. Were that my loved one it would break my heart way too much to even look upon my boys in death let alone flaunt them like that just to try to win favor. :doh: it was disgusting.

[Jeana (DP)]

what floored me was that the family would publish death photos of the boys for the world to see. Were that my loved one it would break my heart way too much to even look upon my boys in death let alone flaunt them like that just to try to win favor. :doh: it was disgusting.


Hi Cherub! (I love your name)!

I think some "brainiac" told them that it would help her. Every comment I've heard about the book was that it either changed their mind from "innocent" to "guilty" or sealed the fact that they KNEW she was guilty. If any one person has gone from "guilty" to "innocent," they're not saying so out loud!

Its from beginning to end with her and the boys. Neighbors said that they were used to seeing dad outside with the boys, but never Darlie!!! She was the PRIMARY caregiver for Christ sake!! She was at home all day every day with the boys. These are boys under the age of 7 who were allowed to play outside ALONE!!! Sure, it was a pretty decent neighborhood, but now a days (is that one word?), kids are being plucked out of their own backyards. Who let's their young children out alone in the neighborhood? These kids were allowed to play in the hot tub alone. This was a separate structure from the house and there wasn't even a way to supervise while standing at the back window. Anything could have happened in there.

Darlie murders them in their sleep. At least one of them (possibly both) saw her doing it. Then, as if all this wasn't enough, she allows them to dig their coffin up and have their hands chopped off in order to try and save her sorry neck! If Darin wasn't involved, he should have put his foot down and said ABSOLUTELY NOT!

[pantone11]

Strange case...confusing to work out who's who with everyone's name starting with 'D'!

Is it possible that it was the hubby who went ballistic, and insanely she won't tell that story...or am I reading too much in?


:banghead:

[Jeana (DP)]

Strange case...confusing to work out who's who with everyone's name starting with 'D'!

Is it possible that it was the hubby who went ballistic, and insanely she won't tell that story...or am I reading too much in?


:banghead:


Yes, its impossible. Some think that he helped stage afterward. Some think that he knows what happened, but for reasons of his own (illegal activities), he's keeping quiet in order to keep Darlie quiet. After all, if he tells what he knows, so does she!!

[pantone11]

Wanabe mafia code of silence....jeez!

[Jeana (DP)]

Wanabe mafia code of silence....jeez!


I don't think its as involved as all that Pantone11. LOL Just desperation to save one's ass. LOL :behindbar

[less0305]

I still think he killed one child and she killed the other.

[JimPence]

If that's true (and I don't think it is), it makes the murders all the more abhorrent.

I can see Darlie losing control and stabbing the boys in a fit of rage. But if Darlie and Darin each stabbed one child, then you have an act that was coldly calculated and premeditated. It would have required planning. Who's going to go first? Who is going to kill which child? When and how are we going to do it?

It sends chills up my spine to even think about it.

JMHO

Jim

[Jeana (DP)]

If that's true (and I don't think it is), it makes the murders all the more abhorrent.

I can see Darlie losing control and stabbing the boys in a fit of rage. But if Darlie and Darin each stabbed one child, then you have an act that was coldly calculated and premeditated. It would have required planning. Who's going to go first? Who is going to kill which child? When and how are we going to do it?

It sends chills up my spine to even think about it.

JMHO

Jim

I agree Jim and I don't think that's what happened. I'm definately no expert on reading blood patterns, but I don't think what was found supports that theory at all.

[Dani_T]

I can see Darlie losing control and stabbing the boys in a fit of rage. But if Darlie and Darin each stabbed one child, then you have an act that was coldly calculated and premeditated. It would have required planning. Who's going to go first? Who is going to kill which child? When and how are we going to do it?


I also agree. I think the chances that both Darin and Darlie were cold blood child killers is remote to say the least. Unless we are talking about two sociopaths here (again what are the chances?) I find it very difficult to believe that they would sit down and discuss the murder of their sons together and plan it out. I think Darin is somehow involved in a cover-up (either deliberately or subconciously) but I don't think the evidence points to him having the knife in his hand (unless it was perhaps the bread knife...).

BTW- Jim... was interested to hear about your prison ministry. I went to a seminar a number of years ago by a group who did prison ministry here in Sydney and was really interested. One of the people at our church is also a prison chaplain and it is very encouraging to hear how God changes the hearts of some of those he has ministered too. I'm going to theological college for 4 years as of 2005 and am leaving it open as an option when I have completed it.

[stlouischili]

I just thought of something. Maybe Darin is not involved in the killing of the boys, but he knows Darlie did it and helped cover it up. Perhaps the reason that he helped cover for her and supports her is because Darlie has knowledge of other (unrelated or not), criminal activities Darin has been involved in, and she threatens to spill the beans about those if Darin doesn't tow the line.

What do you guys think?

[Dani_T]

I just thought of something. Maybe Darin is not involved in the killing of the boys, but he knows Darlie did it and helped cover it up. Perhaps the reason that he helped cover for her and supports her is because Darlie has knowledge of other (unrelated or not), criminal activities Darin has been involved in, and she threatens to spill the beans about those if Darin doesn't tow the line.

What do you guys think?

Possible. If Darin is actively covering for her (and did so on the night) then whatever it is that she is holding over him has to be bad enough that he would decide pretty much on the spot to protect the murder of his two little boys... or else he just loves her so much that he would do anything to protect her.

[cherub]

They are sure sick and twisted to allow those boys to be dug and and have the bodies hands cut off. What evil selfish people they are, especially as they know fully damn well they did it and covered up (albeit poorly :doh: )
They have no sense of remorse or decent compassion.

[Dani_T]

They are sure sick and twisted to allow those boys to be dug and and have the bodies hands cut off. What evil selfish people they are, especially as they know fully damn well they did it and covered up (albeit poorly :doh: )
They have no sense of remorse or decent compassion.

I think that is a bit harsh on Darlie Kee really. I think she is a very strong woman who is fighting for her daughter's life. I also think she truly believes Darlie is innocent. It was probably agonising for her to know her little grandbabies had to be exhumed and have their hands removed.

[MistyGirl]

I too am a mother, a single mother for that matter and I was young 19 when I had my daughter. But I can honesty say with out a doubt that if my daughter did what Darlie did I would not be fighting to save my daughter's life I would be fighting for my two poor dead Grandson's memory and dignity. Now I am not saying I would not love my daughter any longer, I would but you would not catch me spending one single cent on her defense or feeling one bit sorry for her. I am sure Darlie Kee has even more information then we are all privy too and if she is that blind and thinks her daughter is innocent then I can honestly say that poor women needs help.



I am all for being there for your children but what Darlie did is wrong and she deserves to be punished for actions, my goodness I am sorry but again I ask the question who stands up for Damon and Devon...........not even their own father, grandmother or relatives......strangers who only have come to know them because of this terrible crime are the one who are here for them.



As far as Darin goes if he is covering up for her in fear of her knowing something about him such as drugs, illegal activities.........come on your not the "GodFather" or the ring leader of the "Mafia" I can't imagine that whatever Darin has done that she knows about is worth helping the mother of your children who stabbed them in cold blood while they slept. All I have to say is if that is what his fear is he must have done something more horrific then Darlie, and I find that hard to imagine. I believe he covered up for her not sure why, maybe he was scared in the beginning but he must know now whatever she has on him is nothing compared to what he has on her. These are two of the most self absorbed, selfish, people I have ever seen.

[annie mae]

:woohoo: I have been waiting to use this guy! haha Just a big happy smile that CAGE SCRUGGINS has been FOUND!!!!!!!! He is OK and dad is in JAIL!:clap: Blessings, annie

[lisag]

:woohoo: I have been waiting to use this guy! haha Just a big happy smile that CAGE SCRUGGINS has been FOUND!!!!!!!! He is OK and dad is in JAIL!:clap: Blessings, annie

:confused:

[annie mae]

:doh: Lisa I am soooo sorry about my message, I guess I thought everyone worked for "Dion":) We had an Amber Alert here in Tulsa earlier this week. Dad took son after slapping mom and child's mom around, then fled to Tulsa. Cage Scruggins was the little guy's name and he was found safe and sound. Grandmother and mother are fine too. I apologize again, I am kinda knew to this Forum posting but I am learning.:) Blessings, annie

[londonPI]

I think if your on death row and you KNOW someone else helped or may have committed the crime, ie; your husband, i just think you would probably rat them out to save your a$$

[Jeana (DP)]

I think if your on death row and you KNOW someone else helped or may have committed the crime, ie; your husband, i just think you would probably rat them out to save your a$$

If it would save Darlie's, I'm sure she would do so. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Since she's already been convicted of the crime and there is no evidence to prove that she didn't do it, the best they could do is arrest and try the second perpetrator. The bottom line is that Darlie would be executed anyway. If they roll over on each other, Darlie is going to lose that support group they've got going for her and I don't think Darlie could life not being able to play the poor little victim in this case.

[Kaly]

Is there an approximate date set for her execution?
Thanks.

[Jeana (DP)]

Is there an approximate date set for her execution?
Thanks.


No, not yet. She's not finished with the appeals process. This last appeal, however, was denied very quickly.

[MistyGirl]

How many appeals is someone allowed???? Is there a set amount? Or once they have reached that then they are done??? Or can they just keep appealing on and on?

[Jeana (DP)]

How many appeals is someone allowed???? Is there a set amount? Or once they have reached that then they are done??? Or can they just keep appealing on and on?


It depends on the case to be honest. Darlie's is different in that there were problems with the trial transcript. The appeal cannot be started until the transcript is reviewed by the appellate attorney. There were literally hundreds of errors in Darlie's transcript. The court reporter eventually lost her license and had to repay the state for having them redone. Luckily, there is also audio tapes, so a new court reporter was able to come in and redo them. The defense claims that one of the pre-trial motions audio was misplaced and therefore not a part of the official transcript, thereby making it uncertifiable. The court did not agree and it was indeed certified. She's lost two appeals now in the state. She's still got the federal level to go and then she'll appeal to the Governor - whoever that is by then!

[cami]

what floored me was that the family would publish death photos of the boys for the world to see. Were that my loved one it would break my heart way too much to even look upon my boys in death let alone flaunt them like that just to try to win favor. :doh: it was disgusting.

I would certainly say it totally backfired on them. I had to look at those photos,as startling as they are, to try and understand why a perfect stranger would do that to two little boys, two sleeping boys, and then only scratch up the mother, the adult, who was right there with the children and could have identified him/her.

[Kelly Sons]

Her next appeal is actually January 25th. She is trying despretly to get the bloody fingerprint that was found at the scene tested. WHich it should have been done anyway. How is she on death row when there was a bloody fingerprint found that was determined not to b elong to anyone that lived there, visited there, police or emergency techs.
That is definetly resonable doubt. If they do not DNA test that blood something is stinking in TX.

[Dani_T]

Her next appeal is actually January 25th. She is trying despretly to get the bloody fingerprint that was found at the scene tested. WHich it should have been done anyway. How is she on death row when there was a bloody fingerprint found that was determined not to b elong to anyone that lived there, visited there, police or emergency techs.
That is definetly resonable doubt. If they do not DNA test that blood something is stinking in TX.

The fingerprint has certainly not been identified as not belonging to Darlie. An expert with very impressive credentials was able to exclude every other person on the scene except one of Darlies fingers. The defense's own expert concluded that the fingerprint was twice as likely to have belonged to an adult female rather than an adult male.

There is a difference of opinion between experts on this (just as two defense experts completely contradict each other on another print in the house) but regardless of what Darlie's support team like to say it was not been shown beyond any reasonable doubt that the print in the living room was not from Darlie.

[JimPence]

I would certainly say it totally backfired on them. I had to look at those photos,as startling as they are, to try and understand why a perfect stranger would do that to two little boys, two sleeping boys, and then only scratch up the mother, the adult, who was right there with the children and could have identified him/her.
I agree, Cami. This is precisely why I cannot join the "Darlie is innocent and got a raw deal" camp.

For a burglar/sexual predator/intruder of any kind to have brutalized the boys in this way while leaving Darlie with superficial wounds makes no sense at all. The person clearly knew how to kill. So why wasn't she taken out, too? The only way it would make sense would be if the person had been hired to kill the boys only. But that begs the question of who would have done the hiring, and you come full circle to the parents again.

Jim

[Jeana (DP)]

Her next appeal is actually January 25th. She is trying despretly to get the bloody fingerprint that was found at the scene tested. WHich it should have been done anyway. How is she on death row when there was a bloody fingerprint found that was determined not to b elong to anyone that lived there, visited there, police or emergency techs.
That is definetly resonable doubt. If they do not DNA test that blood something is stinking in TX.


There are not enough points for the fingerprint to be put into the database - from everything that I've seen, read and heard. All they know is that its too small to belong to a grown man. I'm not sure why you think they need to DNA test the fingerprint. There were three people bleeding in the house that night that could have made that print (in theory only of course). If there was any "intruder" who was bleeding why would he/she/they only leave that amount of blood on a fingerprint and none outside?

[Kelly Sons]

I think that the bloody fingerprint should be tested because I dont think a person should be put to death without first checking and rechecking every possible alternative. There have been so many cases of people being proven innocent after execution.
They are also testing other evidence besides the fingerprint. Which I think needs to be done and should have been done before she was given death.

[Jeana (DP)]

I think that the bloody fingerprint should be tested because I dont think a person should be put to death without first checking and rechecking every possible alternative. There have been so many cases of people being proven innocent after execution.
They are also testing other evidence besides the fingerprint. Which I think needs to be done and should have been done before she was given death.


Something tells me you haven't read the response of the prosecutor's office to their latest claim. Your opinion makes sense if you're only hearing Darlie's side to the story. However, as you know, there are two sides to every story. Here's an excerpt from the Dallas Morning News:

Routier lawyers assail judge, ruling

They demand access to trial evidence for new analysis in slaying case


1Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Two weeks after a state district judge rejected convicted child killer Darlie Routier's second appeal, the former Rowlett homemaker's attorneys gathered at the courthouse steps to criticize the ruling and demand access to trial evidence.

Attorney Richard Burr said Judge Robert Francis and prosecutors have an obligation to turn over evidence for new analysis that could get Ms. Routier off death row.

* * *

Assistant District Attorney John Rolater, an appellate specialist, said defense attorneys have not taken advantage of numerous opportunities to examine evidence they now seek. In September 2002, the district attorney's office offered to have evidence tested by an agreed-upon expert, but the defense did not accept, he said.

And in October 2002, the court granted an order giving the defense access to evidence, but Mr. Rolater said the defense never followed up.

* * *


Mr. Rolater said dozens of DNA tests have been performed since Ms. Routier's 1996 arrest and 1997 conviction, and each analysis pointed to Ms. Routier or the children as the source of the DNA material.

"Everything points at her," he said. "She's the only one with the opportunity and the motive and the animus toward the children."

* * *

Two fingerprint experts for the state concluded that the prints could exclude everyone in the household except Ms. Routier.

* * *

In his ruling on the appeal, Judge Francis sided with the prosecution and said the defense expert used procedures that were "not sound." Attorney Michael Flanagan said the judge should allow for more analysis.

* * *

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081804dnmetroutier.8861abe9.html

[angarella]

The only reason to even open the cover of MTJD is for the photos. Don't be tempted to believe the captions under them though - they are absolutely riddled with errors... some of them so big that either CWB has a gross misunderstanding of certain parts of the case or else he decided to just say what he wanted to and facts be damned.

Has your book got a autograph from Darlie Kee in the front of it like mine? ;) Open your eyes to the injustice in texas- Darlie Kee

Can anyone explain why this book is SO expensive?

TIA

[JimPence]

Can anyone explain why this book is SO expensive?

TIA
It's a self-published book with an apparently small print run. The limited number of available copies has pushed the price through the roof. Over 100 dollars/copy on half.com!

You can get it on ebay from Mama Darlie. The reserve is set at $25.00. Don't bid above that. I bid 26, and someone outbid me. I decided that I wasn't going to go any higher than that and let it go.

The next day I got a "second chance" email that let me buy it at my original bid.

When the copy arrived, it was in poor condition. The front cover was dirty. A complete section of the book had been bound upside down. The binding and trimming were cheaply done. Made me feel that I had paid way too much.

It did have an autograph from Mama Darlie, though. Sigh.

Jim

[nanandjim]

Yes, its impossible. Some think that he helped stage afterward. Some think that he knows what happened, but for reasons of his own (illegal activities), he's keeping quiet in order to keep Darlie quiet. After all, if he tells what he knows, so does she!!
Could it be that Darlie threatened to expose Darin's illegal activities to police if he didn't help her cover up the crime? I'm not sure what he did that was illegal, but would it be enough to scare him or bribe him to help her with a cover up?

I know that I would take my chances and would never help anyone cover up a murder. My goodness, if Darlie is capable of viciously murdering her two boys while they slept, what would stop her from murdering Darin in his sleep? If I were Darin (before Darlie's arrest and conviction), I definitely would have been sleeping with one eye open...

[Jeana (DP)]

Could it be that Darlie threatened to expose Darin's illegal activities to police if he didn't help her cover up the crime? I'm not sure what he did that was illegal, but would it be enough to scare him or bribe him to help her with a cover up?

I know that I would take my chances and would never help anyone cover up a murder. My goodness, if Darlie is capable of viciously murdering her two boys while they slept, what would stop her from murdering Darin in his sleep? If I were Darin (before Darlie's arrest and conviction), I definitely would have been sleeping with one eye open...

Sure. Anything is possible with these two. If either of them would ever agree to a tell-all (truthfully) interview, I'd be in the front row!!

[Dani_T]

It did have an autograph from Mama Darlie, though. Sigh.


Let me guess - "Open your eyes to the injustice in Texas?

News just came through on the official Darlie website (www.fordarlieroutier.org) that MTJD is now officially sold out. I suspect that means that any copies at ebay etc will only be more expensive now. Darlie Kee has one on ebay at the moment starting at $20 (with a reserve). In the item description she writes

Again, due to the horrible mistake at the publishers warehouse, all books have now been destroyed with the exception of these final few copies.

[Kelly Sons]

Something tells me you haven't read the response of the prosecutor's office to their latest claim. Your opinion makes sense if you're only hearing Darlie's side to the story. However, as you know, there are two sides to every story.Yep, Ive read those things and some more recent documents as well.
I dont really understand what difference it makes whose side you take.
The fact remains that a person will be executed and there are still questions. That cannot be allowed. Either give her LWOP or prove without doubt that she did it.
When I wrote TX Gov. Rick Perry about allowing the testing I asked him about the motive she was attributed to. I was told that the state of Texas doesnt have to prove motive.
I havent really formed an opinion either way on t his case. There are just too many holes.

[Kelly Sons]

Can anyone tell me if any of these questions have been answered by anyone?


Who left the bloody fingerprint on the living room table?

Who left two fingerprints - including a bloody print - on the door to the garage?

Whose blood is on the blue jeans of Darlie Routier's husband?

Who left limb hairs on a bloody tube sock found outside the Routiers’ home?

Who left a pubic hair in the Routiers' living room?

Whose blood was on Darlie Routier’s night shirt, and how did it get there?

[Dani_T]

ep, Ive read those things and some more recent documents as well.
I dont really understand what difference it makes whose side you take.
The fact remains that a person will be executed and there are still questions. That cannot be allowed. Either give her LWOP or prove without doubt that she did it.

The legal system, including capital cases, is not founded on 'proof without a doubt' - it is founded on proof beyond reasonable doubt.

It is highly unlikely that in any case there would be no doubt. You'd need to have an iron-clad confession (and we all know confessions doesn't necessarily mean guilt) as well as iron-clad eye witnesses and all the forensic evidence supporting it.

Even if you had an iron-clad confession and iron-clad eye witnesses I bet you could find some forensic evidence which could be used to muddy the waters.

It was proved beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law that Darlie murdered Damon.

When I wrote TX Gov. Rick Perry about allowing the testing I asked him about the motive she was attributed to. I was told that the state of Texas doesnt have to prove motive.

No they don't need to. The evidence spoke for itself.

Can anyone tell me if any of these questions have been answered by anyone?

[list]
Who left the bloody fingerprint on the living room table?
The state has ruled out everyone except Darlie. One defense expert (who completely contradicts the other defense expert on the door print) said it wasn't Darlie's and the other defense expert concluded it was twice as likely that the print belonged to an adult female rather than an adult male.

Bottom line - the print is a smudged, partial bloody print and despite what everyone says - Darlie has not been ruled out as the donor


Who left two fingerprints - including a bloody print - on the door to the garage?
The non-bloody print could belong to any number of people who had been in the routier house. There is nothing to tie it directly to the crime scene

Only the defense have released conclusions from their experts on the bloody print and, suprise, suprise, they say it isn't Darlies. However, we haven't heard anything from a state or independent expert and as I have mentioned bedore the two defense experts who examined this print also completely disagree with each other on the non-bloody print (I think it is that one) as one as said it is Darins and the other has said it definitely is not Darin's. Doesn't inspire a great degree of confidence really.

Whose blood is on the blue jeans of Darlie Routier's husband?

Have a look at the states response to the motion (www.fordarlieroutier.org) for more info on that.

In any case if all three of their blood was found on Darin's jeans that is perfectly expected since he was in contact with Devon, Damon and Darlie that night according to his, and Darlie's statements.


Who left limb hairs on a bloody tube sock found outside the Routiers’ home?

Again, check the states response on this- even if the limb hair is completely foreign there is no way it can be tied to the murders. There was a deer hair on the sock too- how did that get there?

Who left a pubic hair in the Routiers' living room?
See above


Whose blood was on Darlie Routier’s night shirt, and how did it get there?

Lots of hers and also cast-off from both of the boys (<-- which presents a major problem for the defense)

[Mary456]

"When I wrote TX Gov. Rick Perry about allowing the testing I asked him about the motive she was attributed to. I was told that the state of Texas doesnt have to prove motive."

It's not just Texas, Kelly. There isn't a state in our country that has to prove motive, and for a good reason: we can't get inside someone's head to determine why they did what they did.

[Kelly Sons]

It's not just Texas, Kelly. There isn't a state in our country that has to prove motive, and for a good reason: we can't get inside someone's head to determine why they did what they did.
Are you serious? Thats total B.B. (edited by DP because of profanity). If thats the case people could just go around accusing everyone and anyone of murder.

Also, I think that with DNA evidence and forensics, cases can be proven without ANY doubt. I could not be the one to give her a fatal injection at this point. I just dont feel comfortable saying she is guilty. Or not guilty for that matter.
Why is she only accused of killing one son. Who killed the other? If they dont believe there was a intruder why isnt she charged with both murders?

Is it possible that she did this and her husband not know it?
Its all so confusing.

[chicoliving]

Not so confusing for some.....Darlie was charged with one murder....she can always be charged with the other, anytime. It's not unusual for DA's to hold back one charge of murder when there is more than one victim.

You may think its BS but motive does not have to be proven......what possible motive would justify intentional murder? None. Motive does not have to be proven in a court of law but as humans we like to know "why"....the court doesn't need to know why, only who.

Anyone can accuse anyone of anything.....charges are brought if there is evidence to support the accusation then the prosecution goes forward if there is enough evidence to prove a case during a trial.

Of course its possible she did this and her husband wasn't aware....he was upstairs and she was downstairs with the boys....doesn't sound like the boys were able to put up a fight so what is there to hear?

[Dani_T]

Are you serious? Thats total bull****.If thats the case people could just go around accusing everyone and anyone of murder.

A motive does not prove who committed a crime. In any given crime there could be 10 people with a motive or there could be none. The evidence proves who committed the crime. Sure it helps to have a motive but that's not always going to be the case and the minute we start hanging up our hat saying we need motive to convict someone of a crime is the minute we better start opening a lot of prison doors.

Also, I think that with DNA evidence and forensics, cases can be proven without ANY doubt.

Sorry but that is a naieve statement. Despite what might happen on this weeks episode of CSI forensic evidence does not always, or even normally, work in that way. For example, in the Routier case we have expert testimony & evidence which shows that the bread knife from the kitchen was used to cut the window screen- that is that someone inside the house cut the screen. And yet what do the defense come back with? Things like a limb hair found on a sock outside of the house might belong to someone other than any of the Routier's and might belong to an intruder and might have been deposited on the sock during the commission of the crime.

There is very strong forensic evidence which supports Darlie's conviction - but there is always going to be evidence (like a partial, smeared, bloody fingerprint which no experts can agree on) which can be used to muddy the water. Again, if you want to hang your hat on the forensic evidence and say that there must be no doubt from any of it then better be ready to open a whole lot more prison doors.


Why is she only accused of killing one son. Who killed the other? If they dont believe there was a intruder why isnt she charged with both murders?

Because killing a child under 6 is a capital case in itself. If they tried her for Damon's murder and she was acquitted then they could try her again for Devon's murder and use evidence they kept back from the first trial. It doesn't mean they don't think she is guilty of both murders.

Is it possible that she did this and her husband not know it?
Possible but I can't help thinking it is unlikely. I think it is more likely that either Darin knows outright she did it and is covering for her for some reason or Darin subconciously knows she did it. I don't think he knew she was doing it during the commission of the crime or prior to it.

[stlouischili]

IIRC, the limb hair on the sock belonged to Darin. I think I read that in one of the latest motions on the Darlie website, but I'm not sure.

Also, I vaguely remember the people who cracked the DNA code somewhere saying that they were horrified that it was being used in law enforcement. IIRC, they said that DNA travels very easily and is so microscopic that it shouldn't be used like that. In my opinion, other evidence should be used and I could never convict someone solely on DNA evidence. That said, I believe that there is ample evidence other than DNA that points to Darlie's guilt.

[Kelly Sons]

This is all very interesting but I must say that Im catching a tone of condescention here. I am not an expert and I may be niave but I came here to learn other opinions on this case. Forgive me if my asking questions appears dumb to you.
That being said, it just seems logical to me that someone would have to have a motive to kill their children but I suppose that she could just be insane or something. The author (Barbra Davis, is it?) That changed her opion on Darlie,
Does anyone know what convinved her so strongly?
I read somewhere recently that Darin had spoke with Darlies step father about trying to hire someone to come in and rob him while the house was empty. Then when questioned about it, he lied for years and then finally admitted it.
Do you think that has something to do with it?

And finally, there was Darlie's and the boys blood on Darin's jeans but also another sample that has went untested. Whose is that?

[Dani_T]

This is all very interesting but I must say that Im catching a tone of condescention here. I am not an expert and I may be niave but I came here to learn other opinions on this case. Forgive me if my asking questions appears dumb to you.

My apologies if my post/s came across that way. They were not intended to at all. I clearly remember being a newbie to this case and am nowhere near an expert on it so it was not my intention to be at all condescending.

That being said, it just seems logical to me that someone would have to have a motive to kill their children but I suppose that she could just be insane or something.

Oh Darlie definitely had a motive (whether it be a sane one or one brought on due to depression and particular medication/drugs). What I was trying to say is that it can't be necessary for us to actually get into her head and understand what she was thinking before she can be convicted on the crime based on the evidence. For what it is worth I don't think Darlie did it for one particular reason... I suspect that there were a whole lot of factors which pushed her over the edge (possibly enhanced by the meds she was taking).

The author (Barbra Davis, is it?) That changed her opion on Darlie,
Does anyone know what convinved her so strongly?
The main thing she refers to on the interviews I have seen are photos of the bruising (you can see some of the interviews/segments about Darlie at www.justicefordarlie.net). She claims if she had seen the photos at trial of the bruising then she would never have thought Darlie guilty. What suprises me about this are
1) In her book she spends a fair amount of time towards the end explaining how she think Darlie got that terrible dark bruise right up and down her arm. So if she didn't see the pictures why does she indicate she has in this part of the book?
2) She spends the rest of the book building an intensive and rather vitriolic case against Darlie and then all of a sudden photos of bruises can make her forget all of that and say she is innocent?
3) Both the prosecution and Darlie's own defense at the time say all of those photos were admitted into evidence.

I read somewhere recently that Darin had spoke with Darlies step father about trying to hire someone to come in and rob him while the house was empty. Then when questioned about it, he lied for years and then finally admitted it.
Do you think that has something to do with it?

Highly doubt it. Whether it is true or not remains to be seen (it could be just a play to muddy the waters) but the attack that night was nothing like a robbery. Nothing was taken, two defenseless boys were killed and the one person who could really ID them left alive, it was the middle of the night which mean that the occupants would have been at home etc etc. It doesn't add up to me

And finally, there was Darlie's and the boys blood on Darin's jeans but also another sample that has went untested. Whose is that?

Where did you read this?

[Jeana (DP)]

Yep, Ive read those things and some more recent documents as well.
I dont really understand what difference it makes whose side you take.
The fact remains that a person will be executed and there are still questions. That cannot be allowed. Either give her LWOP or prove without doubt that she did it.
When I wrote TX Gov. Rick Perry about allowing the testing I asked him about the motive she was attributed to. I was told that the state of Texas doesnt have to prove motive.
I havent really formed an opinion either way on t his case. There are just too many holes.

What motive would be good enough to murder your two little boys? Maybe the state shouldn't have to prove it because its a ridiculous question. No "reason" could be good enough for murder, yet it happens every day. The State of Texas has no question about Darlie's guilt.

[Kelly Sons]

I read the statements about the blood on Darins jeans in the paper work that Darlie sent to me when we first began writing. That is one of the things that they are asking the Gov to have tested.
Does anyone find it curious that from studies done so far all of the women killers had some form of sexual or physical abuse in thier childhood but darlie did not.
What do you think is causing so many people to be behind her if it is so cut and dry that she is guilty?
Oh, Im sure that the state of texas is not confused. But so many people get proven innocent years after spending time on death row. Im sure the state was totally sure they had it right in those cases too.
The things about Darin setting up the robbery I read from a Ken Hollingsworth, writing for a TX paper. He thinks Darin did it because Darlie admitted to asking for a seperation that same day. hmmm

[Jeana (DP)]

I read the statements about the blood on Darins jeans in the paper work that Darlie sent to me when we first began writing. That is one of the things that they are asking the Gov to have tested.
Does anyone find it curious that from studies done so far all of the women killers had some form of sexual or physical abuse in thier childhood but darlie did not.
What do you think is causing so many people to be behind her if it is so cut and dry that she is guilty?
Oh, Im sure that the state of texas is not confused. But so many people get proven innocent years after spending time on death row. Im sure the state was totally sure they had it right in those cases too.
The things about Darin setting up the robbery I read from a Ken Hollingsworth, writing for a TX paper. He thinks Darin did it because Darlie admitted to asking for a seperation that same day. hmmm

I've got a post into the other forum on this case that I post at because those women have a much better memory than I do about this case. However, I seem to recall someone posting that Darlie HAD been abused.
I'm not sure what you mean by "so many people" being behind her. How many are there? I know that half of the people outspoken about her are simply against the death penalty. Had she received life without, they wouldn't care less. I don't think that its far to compare death row prisoners or their cases. No matter what, these people have family who care about them and yes, even lawyers who put in their blood, sweat and tears into these cases. How can you possibly compare an innocent person on death row who was INNOCENT with the likes of guilty murderers? Don't you think that each case should stand alone?

If Darin had done the murders, why didn't Darlie just say so? SHE SAID SHE FOUGHT WITH THE GUY. She said she knew who did it. Why is there no evidence that Darin did it?

[Kelly Sons]

By so many people, that is exactly what I mean. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people that write to the governor on her behalf monthly and show up at the capital buildings for rallies to demad her hearings etc.

It's amazing really.

From what I read by Ken hollingsworth, he seems to think that because there was a amt of pot in the house that Darin had drug connections and Darlie had asked for a divorce that day and threatened to call the authorities on him. He thinks that Darlie is covering for him for some reason.

[Jeana (DP)]

By so many people, that is exactly what I mean. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people that write to the governor on her behalf monthly and show up at the capital buildings for rallies to demad her hearings etc.

It's amazing really.

From what I read by Ken hollingsworth, he seems to think that because there was a amt of pot in the house that Darin had drug connections and Darlie had asked for a divorce that day and threatened to call the authorities on him. He thinks that Darlie is covering for him for some reason.

From what I read, they both engaged in drugs taking occasionally, but there was no "problem," in that no one was addicted, etc.

Where did you hear that Darlie threatened to call police on Darin? I've been around this case since day one and never heard that.

If Darlie is covering for Darin, then she's screwed. She's the one on death row.

[cami]

By so many people, that is exactly what I mean. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people that write to the governor on her behalf monthly and show up at the capital buildings for rallies to demad her hearings etc.
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I think it's because as DP said they are opposed to the death penalty. Most likely they have been taken in by Darlie's "good girl who wouldn't lie" facade when she's really a pathological liar. I can guarantee you that none of them have immersed themselves in the trial transcripts or any other pertinent documents from her trial and the case--as we have. And I betcha not one of them has contacted the other side. MOO. For instance, I'd ask these people if they really believe that Damon walked and talked with six stab wounds in his little body---into his lungs and liver?

I oppose the dp too but I would never ever rally for Darlie Routier. She's so guilty.

[Jeana (DP)]

I've heard that quite a few people who originally thought she was innocent have changed their minds after reading the transcripts, the books available, but mostly after seeing Media Tried Justice Denied!!! Ah, those pictures!! Priceless for the prosecution's arguments!!!!

[Kelly Sons]

I heard that Darlie was going to call the police on Darin from the same interview with her stepfather done by Skip Hollandsworth called "Maybe Darlie didnt do it..."

Im not so sure that NO ONE that rallys for her has ever read the transcripts. Thats to broad of a statement. And isnt there also a few of the people who originally thought her guilty that now think she's not?

[Jeana (DP)]

Im not so sure that NO ONE that rallys for her has ever read the transcripts. Thats to broad of a statement. And isnt there also a few of the people who originally thought her guilty that now think she's not?

I think that most of supporters that I've heard from have read the transcripts. I have no idea if anyone changed their minds from guilty to innocent. I've never heard of anyone from the forums making that change. Of course, stranger things have most likely happened.

[Pocono Sleuther]

Hi Cherub! (I love your name)!

I think some "brainiac" told them that it would help her. Every comment I've heard about the book was that it either changed their mind from "innocent" to "guilty" or sealed the fact that they KNEW she was guilty. If any one person has gone from "guilty" to "innocent," they're not saying so out loud!

Its from beginning to end with her and the boys. Neighbors said that they were used to seeing dad outside with the boys, but never Darlie!!! She was the PRIMARY caregiver for Christ sake!! She was at home all day every day with the boys. These are boys under the age of 7 who were allowed to play outside ALONE!!! Sure, it was a pretty decent neighborhood, but now a days (is that one word?), kids are being plucked out of their own backyards. Who let's their young children out alone in the neighborhood? These kids were allowed to play in the hot tub alone. This was a separate structure from the house and there wasn't even a way to supervise while standing at the back window. Anything could have happened in there.

Darlie murders them in their sleep. At least one of them (possibly both) saw her doing it. Then, as if all this wasn't enough, she allows them to dig their coffin up and have their hands chopped off in order to try and save her sorry neck! If Darin wasn't involved, he should have put his foot down and said ABSOLUTELY NOT!

WTF??? Really??? I've only read one book on this case, so I'm sort of new. But I hadn't heard this. WHY?:(

[Jeana (DP)]

Because some genius on her "crack legal team" told her that since she's guilty, she could prove it by eliminating the boys as the source of the "fingerprint." So she should allow them to dig them up and chop off their little hands in a b.s. effort to try rehydrate the digits in an effort to obtain their fingerprints. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Nice hey? :confused: :confused:

[Pocono Sleuther]

Because some genius on her "crack legal team" told her that since she's guilty, she could prove it by eliminating the boys as the source of the "fingerprint." So she should allow them to dig them up and chop off their little hands in a b.s. effort to try rehydrate the digits in an effort to obtain their fingerprints. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Nice hey? :confused: :confused:
Gosh that is sick. There are so many things in this case that are puzzling. There are times where I read the info on her website and think "well, that is a possibility". But then there are times like this when I imagine, as a mother, allowing someone to dig up my child and cut off their hands that I say NO WAY! I think the majority of the problem is I can't imagine a mother stabbing her children to death for any reason. No matter how many times I think about the other's who've done it...I just can't reason it. I can't grasp how they can do such a horrific thing. Andrea Yates clearly had psychological problems and her family was aware of it. Darlie's family claims there are no mental health issues aside from some postpartum after Drake's birth. So, why did she do it? What made her flip? AND, most importantly to me, what did she think she'd gain from it? Freedom? That didn't work well for her. Plus she still had Drake to care for, a home, a failing business, and a husband. As sick as it sounds, killing all the children makes more sense. Was it a homicide/suicide? And she couldn't go through with it. What's ur take on why?

[accordn2me]

I think that most of supporters that I've heard from have read the transcripts. I have no idea if anyone changed their minds from guilty to innocent. I've never heard of anyone from the forums making that change. Of course, stranger things have most likely happened. Hey Jeana, some days I can spell, some days I can type, but it's hard to get them both right at the same time. :D

I'm really rusty on this case, but I seem to remember seeing one of the jurors, a man, Mr. Charlie or Mr. Sam :confused:, who said if he'd seen all the pictures of Darlie's bruises, he'd have voted NOT guilty.

Yes, the jury had access to all of the photos. But he said they spent a large part of their deliberations on watching the "silly string" video- something like 8 times. I believe his story because the first time I saw this on the news, I remember Greg Davis saying that when he saw Darlie in that video, he knew she was guilty! The video is bad, appalling even, when taken out of context. Had the jury seen the entire day at the cemetery on video, maybe it wouldn't have been so damning.

Personally, I have gone from 'guilty' to 'has reasonable doubt' and would like to see Darlie get a new trial. Accordn2me:razz:, Mulder could win the prize for Worst Defense in History for his performance, or lack of, in this case. He is a :loser: disgrace to the profession. A novice could have done a better job. Too bad Darlie didn't stick with public defenders.

On the subject of pictures: I haven't seen many - just the ones from her site. Of those, why all the alterations (e.g. the sink with baby bottle standing, then a different picture of sink with cleaners right next to the sink)? That's misleading if you ask me.

Also, has anyone said anything about the picture of the garage door - door from house to garage - with what looks like fresh wood from the lock being forced open? And those prints and the blood on the door, were they ever identified?

Thanks to everyone for catching me up.:clap:

[Pocono Sleuther]

I am thinking as you are. I do think she deserves a new trial. There were too many jurors focusing on the silly string. Yes, I understand that her boys did not have a chance to appeal for their lives, but I think Darlie deserves one. We have no way of knowing exactly what happened that night. Putting someone to death is very serious and in this case there is reasonable doubt. How many people are wrongly convicted and how many of those are sitting on death row? It happens.

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm really rusty on this case, but I seem to remember seeing one of the jurors, a man, Mr. Charlie or Mr. Sam :confused:, who said if he'd seen all the pictures of Darlie's bruises, he'd have voted NOT guilty.

Yes, the jury had access to all of the photos. But he said they spent a large part of their deliberations on watching the "silly string" video- something like 8 times. I believe his story because the first time I saw this on the news, I remember Greg Davis saying that when he saw Darlie in that video, he knew she was guilty! The video is bad, appalling even, when taken out of context. Had the jury seen the entire day at the cemetery on video, maybe it wouldn't have been so damning.

Personally, I have gone from 'guilty' to 'has reasonable doubt' and would like to see Darlie get a new trial. Accordn2me:razz:, Mulder could win the prize for Worst Defense in History for his performance, or lack of, in this case. He is a :loser: disgrace to the profession. A novice could have done a better job. Too bad Darlie didn't stick with public defenders.



The photographs were admitted into evidence and they were available for the jury to view in the jury room. If this juror you speak of didn't take the time to review the evidence, then there's not much we can do about it now. I mean COME ON!!!! For crying out loud, the photos were THERE plain as day!

As for Darlie's defense attorney - all I can tell you is that Mulder is an excellent defense attorney. His client and her husband took the witness stand and lied through their teeth. He's a lawyer, NOT Houdini. He had to work with what they gave him, which frankly, was ZIP - less than ZIP. I say we give the guy a break and put the blame where it belongs - on a GUILTY client and a husband who doesn't have the sense to get out of his own way.

[mollymalone]

SNIP
Because killing a child under 6 is a capital case in itself. If they tried her for Damon's murder and she was acquitted then they could try her again for Devon's murder and use evidence they kept back from the first trial. It doesn't mean they don't think she is guilty of both murders.

Possible but I can't help thinking it is unlikely. I think it is more likely that either Darin knows outright she did it and is covering for her for some reason or Darin subconciously knows she did it. I don't think he knew she was doing it during the commission of the crime or prior to it.So what kind of evidence do you think they would hold back and not present in the first trial?

That night I think he was so shocked by what happened that he believed her initially. Darrin was someone who was very close to Darlie. Something he saw or heard Darlie do/say that night or since then has clued him in ... I think Darrin feels she did it, but is either still besotted by her or cares for her so much that he feels he must support her to the bitter end.

[mollymalone]

I read the statements about the blood on Darins jeans in the paper work that Darlie sent to me when we first began writing. That is one of the things that they are asking the Gov to have tested.
Does anyone find it curious that from studies done so far all of the women killers had some form of sexual or physical abuse in thier childhood but darlie did not.
What do you think is causing so many people to be behind her if it is so cut and dry that she is guilty?
Oh, Im sure that the state of texas is not confused. But so many people get proven innocent years after spending time on death row. Im sure the state was totally sure they had it right in those cases too.
The things about Darin setting up the robbery I read from a Ken Hollingsworth, writing for a TX paper. He thinks Darin did it because Darlie admitted to asking for a seperation that same day. hmmmThat's a blanket statement that all women killers had some form of sexual or physical abuse in their childhood. History is full of women who murdered for gain, for revenge or for some other cockamamie reason known only to them, who had not had any abuse or violence in their lives.

This is the first I've heard about Darlie admitting to asking for a separation that day. From the statements Darlie made in writing and signed, everything was fine. She did say they had had "words" but made up.

[Jeana (DP)]

That's a blanket statement that all women killers had some form of sexual or physical abuse in their childhood. History is full of women who murdered for gain, for revenge or for some other cockamamie reason known only to them, who had not had any abuse or violence in their lives.

This is the first I've heard about Darlie admitting to asking for a separation that day. From the statements Darlie made in writing and signed, everything was fine. She did say they had had "words" but made up.


Darlie also claims abuse by her step-father. As for Darlie's "statements" about that day - she lied. Plain and simple. Her mother told me that she asked for a separation and its also in Darin's affidavit filed post-conviction.

[brynn]

My niece worked at a daycare center in the Garland-Rowlett area about the time of the murders. Occasionally Darlie would leave her boys on a drop-in basis. My niece said Darlie was a drama queen, and that the boys cowered around her. She said that one time Darlie lost an earring in the center, and had everyone crawling around to find it (a piece of costume jewelry). My niece went on to say that she loved being the center of attention, and that it was most obvious.

My niece has no reason to lie. She was not surprised when the jury found Darlie guilty.

[Goody]

My niece worked at a daycare center in the Garland-Rowlett area about the time of the murders. Occasionally Darlie would leave her boys on a drop-in basis. My niece said Darlie was a drama queen, and that the boys cowered around her. She said that one time Darlie lost an earring in the center, and had everyone crawling around to find it (a piece of costume jewelry). My niece went on to say that she loved being the center of attention, and that it was most obvious.

My niece has no reason to lie. She was not surprised when the jury found Darlie guilty.
Thanks for posting this, brynn. It is always nice to hear from people who actually had or knew someone who had interactions with Darlie and her family. I wish someone who knows Darin or Dana Stahl would post some insights.

[mollymalone]

Darlie also claims abuse by her step-father. As for Darlie's "statements" about that day - she lied. Plain and simple. Her mother told me that she asked for a separation and its also in Darin's affidavit filed post-conviction.I figured she lied about not arguing because she said they'd had words. To me and many others, that means they had a verbal fight. I think she lied when she glossed over what it was about.

I hadn't realized that Darin had stated that. I'm still catching up!

[mollymalone]

My niece worked at a daycare center in the Garland-Rowlett area about the time of the murders. Occasionally Darlie would leave her boys on a drop-in basis. My niece said Darlie was a drama queen, and that the boys cowered around her. She said that one time Darlie lost an earring in the center, and had everyone crawling around to find it (a piece of costume jewelry). My niece went on to say that she loved being the center of attention, and that it was most obvious.

My niece has no reason to lie. She was not surprised when the jury found Darlie guilty.I read where the neighbors said they always saw Darin outside with the boys interacting with them, but never or hardly ever Darlie.

When I looked at the photos of Darlie gussied up in her finery, she was clearly trying to be someone she wasn't. IMO

[Goody]

I read where the neighbors said they always saw Darin outside with the boys interacting with them, but never or hardly ever Darlie.

When I looked at the photos of Darlie gussied up in her finery, she was clearly trying to be someone she wasn't. IMO
According to one author (Don Davis), neighbors said that Darlie would go garage saling in a thong bikini. The neighbors on Bond Street, I think. Can you imagine what a stir she must have caused? LOL!

[Fritzy's Mom]

...There have been so many cases of people being proven innocent after execution.
Oh, please! What an absolutely ridiculous statement to make...

Link please?

[Fritzy's Mom]

I just thought of something. Maybe Darin is not involved in the killing of the boys, but he knows Darlie did it and helped cover it up. Perhaps the reason that he helped cover for her and supports her is because Darlie has knowledge of other (unrelated or not), criminal activities Darin has been involved in, and she threatens to spill the beans about those if Darin doesn't tow the line.

What do you guys think?
If that's what's going on, then Darrin doesn't have too much to worry about anymore. Anything Darrin could have been involved with - drugs, insurance fraud, theft, etc. - would probably have run under the statute of limitations by now.

If Darrin is covering for Darlie, I think it's for one reason and one reason only - he's completely enamoured of her. Darrin definitely thought he "married up" and that Darlie was every man's dream girl...She must have really had an effect on him - he's stood by her for nine years. Wonder how long it'll last - she's not quite the same person anymore since the blonde hair, makeup and skimpy outfits are gone...

[speedlimitmama]

Her next appeal is actually January 25th. She is trying despretly to get the bloody fingerprint that was found at the scene tested. WHich it should have been done anyway. How is she on death row when there was a bloody fingerprint found that was determined not to b elong to anyone that lived there, visited there, police or emergency techs.
That is definetly resonable doubt. If they do not DNA test that blood something is stinking in TX.

I have always believed that husband had it done, except darlie did not die so of course that changed things. if husband did not support wife then maybe he felt they would look at him. Am I thee only one that thinks husband had it done???

[IrishMist]

If Darrin is covering for Darlie, I think it's for one reason and one reason only - he's completely enamoured of her. Darrin definitely thought he "married up" and that Darlie was every man's dream girl...She must have really had an effect on him - he's stood by her for nine years. Wonder how long it'll last - she's not quite the same person anymore since the blonde hair, makeup and skimpy outfits are gone...
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, FM.
But I think he really believes she's innocent. She has him totally wrapped.

[IrishMist]

I have always believed that husband had it done, except darlie did not die so of course that changed things. if husband did not support wife then maybe he felt they would look at him. Am I thee only one that thinks husband had it done???
You are probably not the only one, but the evidence really doesn't support an intruder...

[Rachael]

I think you've hit the nail on the head there, FM.
But I think he really believes she's innocent. She has him totally wrapped.

I agree and I have said so in other threads. He thinks or thought Darlie was the big prize. He didn't want to lose her. He may have covered for her at the time hoping she wouldn't go to jail. Now he certainly isn't going to go back and tell the truth about everything (if he knows anything) because it will only make him look bad too.

[Rachael]

I have always believed that husband had it done, except darlie did not die so of course that changed things. if husband did not support wife then maybe he felt they would look at him. Am I thee only one that thinks husband had it done???


I do not think Darin had anything to do with the murderers. I feel it was all Darlie. IMO if Darin knew anything it was 'after the fact'. I don't feel he would have participated in the murder of his sons.

[Fritzy's Mom]

I have always believed that husband had it done, except darlie did not die so of course that changed things. if husband did not support wife then maybe he felt they would look at him. Am I thee only one that thinks husband had it done???
No, actually, Robert St. James has all kinds of theories about Darrin...he definitely thinks he did it! Read through some of the "Darrin" threads...