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bessie
02-19-2012, 05:16 PM
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Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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Chili Fries
02-19-2012, 06:53 PM
To answer HauntsForHope's question from the last thread about how Michael King targeted Denise Lee...the only info I've seen is that a witness remembered seeing both King and Denise in the post office at the same time the morning she was abducted. It's very possible that something about her caught his eye, so he decided to act on his urge and follow her home and abduct her.

Denise was able to call 911 while she was in King's car using his phone. The police listened in while she had a conversation with him and heard her say that she had never seen him before. Her husband also had no knowledge of King. It seems that King noticed her without her noticing him.

I think something like this could have happened with Holly or the abductor could be somebody who she just met in passing without realizing she made an impact on him. Maybe somebody who works/worked with a family member or friend or something like that. A fleeting encounter could have precipitated this.

Carla Lashelle
02-19-2012, 07:20 PM
The Denise Amber Lee murder happened just south of where I live. LE really dropped the ball big time in this case, and is directly responsible for her death.

Exactly how King came into contact with Denise is not known. The story that they were in line together at the post office was refuted by her husband, who said Denise had not gone to the post office that day. I don't know if King was at the post office himself but if he was in line behind some woman it was not Denise.

Ultimately King was convicted of rape, murder, etc.

HauntsForHope
02-19-2012, 07:38 PM
The Denise Amber Lee murder happened just south of where I live. LE really dropped the ball big time in this case, and is directly responsible for her death.

Exactly how King came into contact with Denise is not known. The story that they were in line together at the post office was refuted by her husband, who said Denise had not gone to the post office that day. I don't know if King was at the post office himself but if he was in line behind some woman it was not Denise.

Ultimately King was convicted of rape, murder, etc.

So Tragic...

HauntsForHope
02-19-2012, 07:43 PM
To answer HauntsForHope's question from the last thread about how Michael King targeted Denise Lee...the only info I've seen is that a witness remembered seeing both King and Denise in the post office at the same time the morning she was abducted. It's very possible that something about her caught his eye, so he decided to act on his urge and follow her home and abduct her.

Denise was able to call 911 while she was in King's car using his phone. The police listened in while she had a conversation with him and heard her say that she had never seen him before. Her husband also had no knowledge of King. It seems that King noticed her without her noticing him.

I think something like this could have happened with Holly or the abductor could be somebody who she just met in passing without realizing she made an impact on him. Maybe somebody who works/worked with a family member or friend or something like that. A fleeting encounter could have precipitated this.

Yes, I can imagine HB driving through town in her muscle car. You just know she attracted a lot of attention. I was looking at pictures this morning, of her showing off her black Mustang. I have been driving Mustangs myself since my very first car at age 17 and I can tell you they get a LOT of attention and comments from strangers. It would be easy enough to follow her home to see where she lived, and maybe scope out the house from the logging road...

HauntsForHope
02-19-2012, 07:55 PM
So, with all things considered, a local stalker is our likely perp.
If thats the case... this guy looks good for it, no? Looks like LE is reeling him in....
Britt also has a pending charge in Decatur County, where he is accused of violating the sex offender registry law. That arrest warrant was issued late last year.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120208/NEWS01/302080010/Jackson-officials-Sex-offender-Terry-Lee-Britt-threat

HauntsForHope
02-19-2012, 08:03 PM
Hopefully the increase in the reward will loosen a few tongues while he's in prison.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120202/NEWS03/302020066/Reward-250-000-Holly-Bobo-case

Wondergirl
02-19-2012, 11:34 PM
Where is Holly? :(

Plumeria5
02-20-2012, 12:59 AM
Where is Holly? :(

We only know where she isn't...at home with her family. =(

mrsu
02-20-2012, 01:18 AM
So, with all things considered, a local stalker is our likely perp.
If thats the case... this guy looks good for it, no? Looks like LE is reeling him in....

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120208/NEWS01/302080010/Jackson-officials-Sex-offender-Terry-Lee-Britt-threat

So this guy delivered newspapers? Is that what this article said? I wonder if the Bobo's got the paper delivered or if any of their neighbors did??

Carla Lashelle
02-20-2012, 11:53 AM
So this guy delivered newspapers? Is that what this article said? I wonder if the Bobo's got the paper delivered or if any of their neighbors did??

didn't someone already answer this that the "newspaper" was some sort of bulk mail flier?

Wonless
02-21-2012, 11:01 PM
It seems like to me that if they had any shred of evidence on this guy we would have seen him charged by now. IMO this is another road that's headed nowhere. I guess we can start looking forward to the "Holly has been gone 1 year...and we still don't have a clue day."

mrsu
02-22-2012, 02:50 AM
didn't someone already answer this that the "newspaper" was some sort of bulk mail flier?

Sorry if I missed it! I didn't have time to read all the way back. Thanks.

tiredblondy
02-22-2012, 04:34 AM
Hopefully the increase in the reward will loosen a few tongues while he's in prison.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120202/NEWS03/302020066/Reward-250-000-Holly-Bobo-case

Well that sure looks hopeful to me.

cluciano63
02-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Does the size of a reward really matter if someone knows that a violent criminal is possibly involved in another crime? Whatever happened to people just wanting criminals to be taken off the streets for the safety of their families and the rest of the community? I hate to think anyone has just been waiting to tell what happened to Holly until the reward increased, or until an arrest of a sex offender is made. I can't recall many cases at all where a reward size made any difference. Rewards are not claimed all that often anyway, JMO.

Some people have presented a picture of this community being frozen with fear, knowing who the offender is but too scared to say. Really? Sorry, but that sounds utterly ridiculous to me. Sure, a person or two may know, but chances are they have some involvement before, during or after the crime. I seriously doubt there is a "conspiracy of silence" by the locals due to fear. If it is true, Holly has no hope of being found. JMO

Oriah
02-22-2012, 01:50 PM
Bumping:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

Reward or no reward- that doesn't prevent any of us for printing out one poster of Holly- just one poster- and putting it up in a prominent place in our community, wherever we are.

Hope everyone is able to do that. TIA.

Frogzilla
02-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Does the size of a reward really matter if someone knows that a violent criminal is possibly involved in another crime? Whatever happened to people just wanting criminals to be taken off the streets for the safety of their families and the rest of the community? I hate to think anyone has just been waiting to tell what happened to Holly until the reward increased, or until an arrest of a sex offender is made. I can't recall many cases at all where a reward size made any difference. Rewards are not claimed all that often anyway, JMO.

Some people have presented a picture of this community being frozen with fear, knowing who the offender is but too scared to say. Really? Sorry, but that sounds utterly ridiculous to me. Sure, a person or two may know, but chances are they have some involvement before, during or after the crime. I seriously doubt there is a "conspiracy of silence" by the locals due to fear. If it is true, Holly has no hope of being found. JMO
Nice post cluc and I think you raise some interesting points. I think it would be fair to say that every situation is unique and people's motivations are always evolving.
Do rewards work, yes they do. Do rewards work a fair percentage of the time, no they don't. The unibomber was turned in by his brother for a one million dollar reward.
Bin Laden had a 30 million dollar bounty but I don't think anyone expected somebody to step forward and try to collect it. Here are links to a case that happened in my neck of the woods, the Riley Fox case-
http://www.criminallawyerrollingmeadows.com/tipster-reward-denied-in-riley-fox-case/
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-03/news/ct-met-riley-fox-reward-20120204_1_riley-fox-murder-trisha-kiefer-scott-eby
The father confessed to killing his daughter and spent 8 months in jail to then be exonerated by DNA evidence and then received an 8 million dollar settlement. The FBI got involved and asked the community for tips and five years later a woman had vague suspicions that her ex-boyfriend could of been involved and the ex-boyfriend eventually confessed a year later to the murder while he was in jail for another crime. The tipster claimed she never came forward before because Mr. Fox was charged with the crime and she had no proof her ex-boyfriend was involved, she felt that this man was dangerous and should be looked at in connection to this crime, she was not purely motivated by a reward.
Getting back on topic, I do think the Decatur county citizens are frozen with fear and although I do agree it isn't because they "all know" who abducted HB, it's probably because they "all know" being to nosy can get them into serious trouble. This is a small community where everybody is familiar with one another and LE pointed the finger at the community as a whole. I think one could draw a parallel between 10 random people being invited to a old house on an island somewhere and then being told that a violent person is among them. Also, this area has a history of strange criminal behavior. I'm still amazed at how many RSO live in that community and iirc, 11 RSO live within 5 miles of the Bobo home. Also, doing the math it equates to roughly 200 citizens for every RSO in Parsons and the TN state average is roughly 1,000 citizens for every RSO. If we then consider that all of the RSO in Parsons are male and then evenly split the population by gender, the number becomes a staggering 1 out of 100~ males are RSO, or 1%.
If I was a betting person, I would lean more towards the "conspiracy of silence" being people not trying to pry too much info and then being put in the position where somebody thinks they may know something. The quote from TBI, "People have info they are not sharing", rings a bell. I would also agree all this silence is not helpful to finding HB, but people's motivations do change over time and who knows what will be the catalyst to finding her. This case is tragic on so many levels and sometimes I find myself wondering how any community as a whole would tolerate this for 10 months and now into the foreseeable future. JMO

cluciano63
02-22-2012, 05:03 PM
Nice post cluc and I think you raise some interesting points. I think it would be fair to say that every situation is unique and people's motivations are always evolving.
Do rewards work, yes they do. Do rewards work a fair percentage of the time, no they don't. The unibomber was turned in by his brother for a one million dollar reward.
Bin Laden had a 30 million dollar bounty but I don't think anyone expected somebody to step forward and try to collect it. Here are links to a case that happened in my neck of the woods, the Riley Fox case-
http://www.criminallawyerrollingmeadows.com/tipster-reward-denied-in-riley-fox-case/
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-03/news/ct-met-riley-fox-reward-20120204_1_riley-fox-murder-trisha-kiefer-scott-eby
The father confessed to killing his daughter and spent 8 months in jail to then be exonerated by DNA evidence and then received an 8 million dollar settlement. The FBI got involved and asked the community for tips and five years later a woman had vague suspicions that her ex-boyfriend could of been involved and the ex-boyfriend eventually confessed a year later to the murder while he was in jail for another crime. The tipster claimed she never came forward before because Mr. Fox was charged with the crime and she had no proof her ex-boyfriend was involved, she felt that this man was dangerous and should be looked at in connection to this crime, she was not purely motivated by a reward.
Getting back on topic, I do think the Decatur county citizens are frozen with fear and although I do agree it isn't because they "all know" who abducted HB, it's probably because they "all know" being to nosy can get them into serious trouble. This is a small community where everybody is familiar with one another and LE pointed the finger at the community as a whole. I think one could draw a parallel between 10 random people being invited to a old house on an island somewhere and then being told that a violent person is among them. Also, this area has a history of strange criminal behavior. I'm still amazed at how many RSO live in that community and iirc, 11 RSO live within 5 miles of the Bobo home. Also, doing the math it equates to roughly 200 citizens for every RSO in Parsons and the TN state average is roughly 1,000 citizens for every RSO. If we then consider that all of the RSO in Parsons are male and then evenly split the population by gender, the number becomes a staggering 1 out of 100~ males are RSO, or 1%.
If I was a betting person, I would lean more towards the "conspiracy of silence" being people not trying to pry too much info and then being put in the position where somebody thinks they may know something. The quote from TBI, "People have info they are not sharing", rings a bell. I would also agree all this silence is not helpful to finding HB, but people's motivations do change over time and who knows what will be the catalyst to finding her. This case is tragic on so many levels and sometimes I find myself wondering how any community as a whole would tolerate this for 10 months and now into the foreseeable future. JMO

The thing is "people have info they aren't sharing" and "we are one clue away" are cliches to be used by LE anytime, in any case, so they have little value to me. JMO

Frogzilla
02-22-2012, 05:27 PM
The thing is "people have info they aren't sharing" and "we are one clue away" are cliches to be used by LE anytime, in any case, so they have little value to me. JMO
Fair enough, but why get hung up on statements like that when they are presented with a basis, not like the TBI did by just throwing up in the air. IMO you are comparing apples and oranges. I 100% agree that those statements on their own were not worth the breath used to speak that sentence, but as a sleuther, if you are not trying to make connections then you are just banging your head against the wall.
"Progress is our ability to complicate simplicity." - Thor Heyerdahl

HauntsForHope
02-23-2012, 11:27 AM
What I found interesting about the increase in the reward is the timing and the amount. LE rounded up all the RSO's for questioning, all but one, were located right after the abduction. (And yes, they are concentrated here.) Britt being seen in Parsons in Aug is relevant because he couldnt be found by LE until recently, a violation of the RSO regulations. By offering a quarter million dollars for Hollys Safe Return, tells me someone believes she is still alive. So, why did Britt skip town, where did he go, and does it even matter? Or does this small town have another local perve that has the guts to snatch a young woman form her doorstep?

HauntsForHope
02-24-2012, 11:52 AM
It seems like to me that if they had any shred of evidence on this guy we would have seen him charged by now. IMO this is another road that's headed nowhere. I guess we can start looking forward to the "Holly has been gone 1 year...and we still don't have a clue day."

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2012/02/sex-maniac-terry-britt-and-his-partner.html

Frogzilla
02-24-2012, 02:07 PM
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2012/02/sex-maniac-terry-britt-and-his-partner.html
That PI is all over the place with his suppositions. First it was a long haul trucker who was involved in the disappearance of all these young woman. Then it was an absconded SO from Kentucky who was involved in all these disappearances and his new flavor of the month is Mr. Britt who is possibly now involved. Is he also inferring that his boogeymen are some type of zodiac/numerology kidnappers since he makes a point to note the missing woman that HE highlighted all went missing on a date that had the number 3 in it. Now he supposes that TB accomplice (according to the TBI, he was not working alone) is the other SO from KY? What, did these two SO pitch in to buy a long haul truck and kidnap all these young woman on a date that had the number 3 in it? Is that really what we are being offered?
If he would provide even the slightest hint of a real connection between these SO and these missing young woman, I would be the first one to sing his praises, but until that time I don't think anybody can take what he says seriously. IMO it's like the national enquirer of PI blogs and on a side note, that blog is difficult to read, much less make any sense of it.

Plumeria5
02-24-2012, 08:54 PM
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2012/02/sex-maniac-terry-britt-and-his-partner.html

Probably just a coincidence but...
If you look at the missing women in this link they came up missing on:
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday

and then...
Holly missing April
Lauren June
Katelyn August
Karen October

Each skips a month until the next one. All in 2011.

Maybe nothing...but thought it strange.

TxLady2
02-25-2012, 05:55 PM
That PI is all over the place with his suppositions. First it was a long haul trucker who was involved in the disappearance of all these young woman. Then it was an absconded SO from Kentucky who was involved in all these disappearances and his new flavor of the month is Mr. Britt who is possibly now involved. Is he also inferring that his boogeymen are some type of zodiac/numerology kidnappers since he makes a point to note the missing woman that HE highlighted all went missing on a date that had the number 3 in it. Now he supposes that TB accomplice (according to the TBI, he was not working alone) is the other SO from KY? What, did these two SO pitch in to buy a long haul truck and kidnap all these young woman on a date that had the number 3 in it? Is that really what we are being offered?
If he would provide even the slightest hint of a real connection between these SO and these missing young woman, I would be the first one to sing his praises, but until that time I don't think anybody can take what he says seriously. IMO it's like the national enquirer of PI blogs and on a side note, that blog is difficult to read, much less make any sense of it.

Kinda what I thought, too.

Carla Lashelle
02-25-2012, 08:23 PM
Probably just a coincidence but...
If you look at the missing women in this link they came up missing on:
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday

and then...
Holly missing April
Lauren June
Katelyn August
Karen October

Each skips a month until the next one. All in 2011.

Maybe nothing...but thought it strange.

Hard to say. The problem is that this is like looking at clouds and seeing faces. People like to categorize things and put them into some sort of order, whether its realistic or not. If they are related (no evidence they are) then there could be something to it. But if they are not related then we are creating a falsehood.

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:24 PM
There has been a body found in parsons tenn!

http://missingpersonsnews.com/?p=1646

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:25 PM
MissingPersonsNews has received information that a body has been found in the area of Parsons, TN. No specific details are available at this time, and MPN’s policy is not to speculate on remains regarding missing persons’ cases.

We are checking sources and will continue to bring you more information as it becomes available through Law Enforcement channels

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:27 PM
I have a feeling this is her!
JMO

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:35 PM
Now they are saying it is a hoax

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:36 PM
Who would do something like that

Pensfan
02-25-2012, 09:38 PM
That news article was posted around two hours ago and other news sites haven't picked up on the story. That is odd. What is going on?

Edit: Ok, I just read the hoax comment. Someone is very evil if this hoax was meant to disturb Holly's family.

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:43 PM
OK we wait it out
Might be true!

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:44 PM
It was said that searching was going on in parsons today tho!

SmoothOperator
02-25-2012, 09:45 PM
OMG I am so very disgusted if this is a hoax!! It's an absolute evil intention if so!!! I mean whoever "hoaxed" this KNOWS that EVERYONE WOULD IMMEDIATELY BELIEVE IT WAS HOLLY!!!

That is pathetic if it a hoax and IMO they should be absolutely called out and publicized for doing something so very cruel!!!!:furious:

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:47 PM
There was a search today with cadaver dogs! i believe!
FB

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 09:48 PM
100 rescue workers
I do not think its a hoax

cluciano63
02-25-2012, 10:26 PM
100 rescue workers
I do not think its a hoax

Where are you hearing/seeing this?

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 10:38 PM
Where are you hearing/seeing this?

the ocals on the holly bobo updates and prayers page but that page is goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee now poof!

It was there 5 mins ago!

Something is going on!

Eileen730
02-25-2012, 10:53 PM
update!!!!







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UPDATE: Remains found in Tennessee?

By Erica Morse
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updated at 8:20pm CST, February 25th, 2012

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christee
02-25-2012, 11:12 PM
From Whitney Duncan's Twitter:


whitneyduncan (https://twitter.com/#!/whitneyduncan) Whitney Duncan

I have no idea why people make up hurtful stuff. This has been hard enough on our family. A body has NOT been found. #hollybobo (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23hollybobo)

SmoothOperator
02-25-2012, 11:29 PM
I am holding out hope that it's true!! Just feel it is.. Of course hat means diddly squat but I'm praying hard that the time has actually come..

I know for a fact that this is not the first, nor second search for her recently and with there having been no real spikes in even so much as a news blip at all when those were done leads me to believe this really could be something..

Praying hard for resolution and for Holly to be brought home!!

liltexans
02-26-2012, 12:08 AM
From Whitney Duncan's Twitter:


whitneyduncan (https://twitter.com/#!/whitneyduncan) Whitney Duncan

I have no idea why people make up hurtful stuff. This has been hard enough on our family. A body has NOT been found. #hollybobo (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23hollybobo)

Will Nunley seems to concur:

@willnunley
It's a shame bored people with Facebook accounts take it upon themselves to stir emotions like this. Not journalists. Not cops. #hollybobo
1 hour ago via HTC Peep

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/willnunley

cluciano63
02-26-2012, 01:30 AM
If this is a rumor, rather than a hoax, it is not so much cruel, as normal in cases such as these, IMO. If someone heard a body had been found in Parsons, one would have to expect chatter about it, and these things tend to spread like crazy, even if the initial "facts" are not correct. It does not have to have been mean-spirited. JMO

~n/t~
02-26-2012, 08:54 AM
Will Nunley seems to concur:

@willnunley
It's a shame bored people with Facebook accounts take it upon themselves to stir emotions like this. Not journalists. Not cops. #hollybobo
1 hour ago via HTC Peep

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/willnunley

Wish Will would confirm if searches are happening. Who owns that Missing Persons News site? They seem so sure of their "sources". They didn't confirm a body was found but that authorities confirmed searches are going on in Parsons and cadaver dogs are being used.

If true, what is the big secrecy?

http://missingpersonsnews.com/?p=1646

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 09:27 AM
Wish Will would confirm if searches are happening. Who owns that Missing Persons News site? They seem so sure of their "sources". They didn't confirm a body was found but that authorities confirmed searches are going on in Parsons and cadaver dogs are being used.

If true, what is the big secrecy?

http://missingpersonsnews.com/?p=1646



Can i post something from FB?

There aare two ppl on there that says there were searches yesterday
I dont think LE is the one searching i think it might be a search team from Missouri. and they searched a few locations ..

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 09:29 AM
I dont understandall the secrecy either!
This is the strangest case i have ever followed.
Its like they dont want any info going out at all and every piece of info we do get
gets changed. JMO

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 10:25 AM
If this is a rumor, rather than a hoax, it is not so much cruel, as normal in cases such as these, IMO. If someone heard a body had been found in Parsons, one would have to expect chatter about it, and these things tend to spread like crazy, even if the initial "facts" are not correct. It does not have to have been mean-spirited. JMO



The thing is these searches have been going on as i have seen posted on FB by locals..Why has it not been brought to the publics attention Its like there is a shroud of secrecy over this entire case.

The public wants to help why not let them know somethings they dont have to be informed of everything but a crumb here and a crumb ther would be nice.

The silence to me makes me suspicious!!!!

JMO

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 10:26 AM
that missing person news site looks legit to me and i for one am happy to see someone brave enuff to post something. JMO

cluciano63
02-26-2012, 10:27 AM
Wish Will would confirm if searches are happening. Who owns that Missing Persons News site? They seem so sure of their "sources". They didn't confirm a body was found but that authorities confirmed searches are going on in Parsons and cadaver dogs are being used.

If true, what is the big secrecy?

http://missingpersonsnews.com/?p=1646

I thought Will N. had taken a job out of state last year?

liltexans
02-26-2012, 10:53 AM
Police Using Psychics In Search For Holly Bobo



The TBI's Kristin Helm told NewsChannel5 Investigates, "We've received psychic leads from all across the country and even from out of the country, from as far away as Belgium or Hungary."

Helm says the TBI has gotten more than 150 tips from psychics or people who have consulted with them. Many more than most cases.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17005963/police-using-psychics-in-search-for-holly-bobo

Carla Lashelle
02-26-2012, 11:27 AM
Given that the discoveries of various bodies around TN have always made the news and that there is no mention of any body in Parsons on any regular news web site is suspicious. Even the missing persons network posting about it was from yesterday. Sounds hokey to me...

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 11:47 AM
Given that the discoveries of various bodies around TN have always made the news and that there is no mention of any body in Parsons on any regular news web site is suspicious. Even the missing persons network posting about it was from yesterday. Sounds hokey to me...

True but i think the media was asked not to say anything and this site decided to publish..

there were many places searched yesterday it seems as was talked about by the Holly bobo
update site on FB... the locals even said where they were and how many so I kind of think something is happening.

At least someone is out looking for her!

Kimster
02-26-2012, 12:07 PM
After spending time in the UID forum, I've learned that there are so many missing persons and unidentified remains that if they have found remains, it could be any one of a hundred or more people. Seriously.

Be hopeful, but please know that #1, this is not being reported by law enforcement or MSM and #2, we're far from determining this is Holly.

~n/t~
02-26-2012, 12:31 PM
I thought Will N. had taken a job out of state last year?

I thought so too but I guess he's still somewhat involved or following this case.

~n/t~
02-26-2012, 12:33 PM
Police Using Psychics In Search For Holly Bobo



The TBI's Kristin Helm told NewsChannel5 Investigates, "We've received psychic leads from all across the country and even from out of the country, from as far away as Belgium or Hungary."

Helm says the TBI has gotten more than 150 tips from psychics or people who have consulted with them. Many more than most cases.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17005963/police-using-psychics-in-search-for-holly-bobo


When police start using Psychics I think we can assume they have absolutely nothing. What a shame!

Eileen730
02-26-2012, 12:39 PM
When police start using Psychics I think we can assume they have absolutely nothing. What a shame!

I think that title was a bit deceiving!
If you read the article they have not called in Psychics for help but Psychics bombard LE with all their visions and LE has to check each one out...
JMO

grandmaj
02-26-2012, 12:43 PM
We have a FB page here, please take any FB discussion to this thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136204&page=7

MizStery
02-26-2012, 01:58 PM
Just my opinion .....but the secrecy and anger toward any level of scrutiny of the facts in this case is suspicious ...it gives new meaning to the idiomatic expression,"Skeleton in closet". :sigh: MOO

Wonless
02-26-2012, 10:42 PM
So we can not confirm the story that has been posted on *********** at this time other than WD and WN denials via twitter???

cluciano63
02-26-2012, 11:18 PM
The article on *********** is just a compilation of what was posted on the missing persons site yesterday. So no more or less confirmation than we ever had.

Wonless
02-27-2012, 02:04 AM
What could possibly generate a story like that, outside of a high school prank..I draw a blank. Who would gain from making up a story like this? What is the motive if this is untrue?

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 02:15 AM
I think that title was a bit deceiving!
If you read the article they have not called in Psychics for help but Psychics bombard LE with all their visions and LE has to check each one out...
JMOIf LE bothered to check out psychic tips, they were in fact wasting time by, in essence, acting upon - using - information provided by psychics.

cluciano63
02-27-2012, 02:19 AM
What could possibly generate a story like that, outside of a high school prank..I draw a blank. Who would gain from making up a story like this? What is the motive if this is untrue?

It could just be an unfounded rumor, something overheard incorrectly, that spread too quickly...i.e. maybe there was a sign by a dog, etc...who knows. Everyone is probably as anxious for news as we are.

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 03:00 AM
This was from Saturday; it's where Will Nunley learned his info and, unlike the dubious *********** site (et al.), it's from an actual in-state MSM source:


Natasha Chen
‏ @NChen_WREG3
@davidd0069 @willnunley @hurricanemike50 @3onyourside @whitneyduncan TBI agent John Mehr confirms there is NO body in Parsons, TN.

Walker007
02-27-2012, 03:50 AM
The person who wrote that article.. well.. no comment. It is BS what these people do to the families who suffer a missing person all in hopes to try and trump or be the first in line..to say ME ME ME .. this should be a crime in general... when there is no head of the line here and the information is false. Sick people out there.



Try to read this article IN FULL - since many did not read the whole police using psychics article and only went by a misleading title - where it was clearly stated they do not USE psychics -- However, if you feel they are utilizing because they "check out" tips - that is false as well - it would be negligent to ignore any tip irregardless because anyone could call in pretending to be a psychic and give a legit tip but not want to be identified as such - - maybe this will shed some light and this article only touches the surfaces barely of what the families are subjected to:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/families-holly-bobo-samantha-koenig-private-torment/story?id=15508160

wishuwerehere
02-27-2012, 03:56 AM
From the news article: http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17005963/police-using-psychics-in-search-for-holly-bobo

"Higheagle says she gets her information from tarot cards and claims her readings are 97% accurate."

And in other news, a fairy was seen riding a unicorn yesterday.

But seriously, Holly we're still thinking of you, hoping you are found soon, and justice is served.

jmo

cluciano63
02-27-2012, 04:06 AM
This was from Saturday; it's where Will Nunley learned his info and, unlike the dubious *********** site (et al.), it's from an actual in-state MSM source:

I wonder if that means no body was found anywhere in the county...since they indicate that none was found in Parsons...

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 04:13 AM
I wonder if that means no body was found anywhere in the county...since they indicate that none was found in Parsons...
Yeah, was wondering that myself. I assume the reporter assumed that it was a denial covering more ground than merely the city limits of Parsons TN. But, with TBI - well, who can say. I think it's just a Facebook-spawned rumor. We'll see!

Oriah
02-27-2012, 10:54 AM
The person who wrote that article.. well.. no comment. It is BS what these people do to the families who suffer a missing person all in hopes to try and trump or be the first in line..to say ME ME ME .. this should be a crime in general... when there is no head of the line here and the information is false. Sick people out there.



Try to read this article IN FULL - since many did not read the whole police using psychics article and only went by a misleading title - where it was clearly stated they do not USE psychics -- However, if you feel they are utilizing because they "check out" tips - that is false as well - it would be negligent to ignore any tip irregardless because anyone could call in pretending to be a psychic and give a legit tip but not want to be identified as such - - maybe this will shed some light and this article only touches the surfaces barely of what the families are subjected to:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/families-holly-bobo-samantha-koenig-private-torment/story?id=15508160

Thank you Walker007, for bringing that link here.

"We were definitely caught by surprise. We had no idea of the cruelty out there," Karen Bobo, the mother of missing Tennessee nursing student Holly Bobo (http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-hundreds-volunteers-comb-woods/story?id=13394953), told ABCNews.com.

My heart breaks for the Bobo's. :(

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 11:14 AM
Helm makes it clear the TBI does not work with psychics, but agents do end up spending a lot of time checking out leads from them, leads, she says, that don't give investigators much to work with.
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17005963/police-using-psychics-in-search-for-holly-bobo

Now, on this psychics thing - if a person calls in and says he or she is a "psychic" and wants to relay a "tip," and if police go out and investigate it, LE has to spend a similar amount of the day looking into that as they do when they work a legitimate tip, right? From normal, non-psychic, townsfolk, perhaps? If so - and this is based on what Kristin Helm confirmed - perhaps the article should read, "Psychics using police in search for Holly Bobo" instead of the other way around, as it does read. Six of one, a half-dozen of the other, time wasted is time wasted, and if police think they need to act upon all tips, including those without "much to work with," they're squandering work hours better spent in investigating this or other matters.

Utterly ridiculous, but in keeping with what one can only say has been a botched investigation from its first hour.

The only other explanation I can think of is LE wanting to "cover themselves" in case a psychic guesses right. Which they won't.

TxLady2
02-27-2012, 11:41 AM
How is LE supposed to know when a tip is legitimate?? Much of investigating IS following leads and tips... it is not a waste of time. I can understand their frustration if they KNOW that the tip came from a psychic, but what if the psychic does not say he/she is one, and just gives them a lead? Shouldn't they follow that lead anyway?
I know of a few cases when people complain because LE doesn't seem to be doing anything, doesn't follow up on tips, so where do they draw the line? They would have to be psychic themselves to be able to determine whether a lead or a tip is worth looking into or whether it's just B.S. the minute they get it.
I would hope that LE is following up on everything... legitimate or not... because you never know, that lead could produce another one that might turn out to be useful.

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Well something is afoot... this is the first fairly large scale official search I have heard about in some months; the DeKalb County Sheriff's Mounted Unit

http://www.waff.com/story/17027461/dekalb-county-sheriffs-mounted-unit-assists-with-holly-bobo-search

Not only that, they seem to have found something (but then we have heard that before...)

"The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to find several significant articles of evidence. They tagged each piece of evidence with their GPS system and turned it over to the TBI.

DeKalb County Sheriff Jimmy Harris said these articles will allow the TBI to move forward with their investigation."

Note that the Sheriff said the items WILL ALLOW the TBI to move forward with their investigation. He did not say could....

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 03:28 PM
Here is a different article...

http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/DeKalb-County-Investigators-Join-Bobo-Search/KWVADzzPpEuX5dZE6mSDYA.cspx

Now, it says the dateline is Ft. Payne Alabama and mentions searches in Lexington which were fruitful. I guess its Lexington TN based on the article. How far is that from Darden?

liltexans
02-27-2012, 03:37 PM
According to Google maps, Lexington is 10.6 miles from Darden.

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 04:16 PM
According to Google maps, Lexington is 10.6 miles from Darden.

yes its in Henderson County

liltexans
02-27-2012, 04:19 PM
Might be time to get the scanner thread going again for this case...

Montjoy
02-27-2012, 05:59 PM
How is LE supposed to know when a tip is legitimate?? Much of investigating IS following leads and tips... it is not a waste of time. I can understand their frustration if they KNOW that the tip came from a psychic, but what if the psychic does not say he/she is one, and just gives them a lead? Shouldn't they follow that lead anyway?

I would contend that following tips drawn out of thin air, such as psychic visions, is a waste of time. LE can imagine possible (though unsupported) facts as well as anyone. And there are certainly some ways to sort out worthy from worthless tips. One would be just to ask: "What makes you say that?" "How do you know that this is worth our time?" The thing is, there are only so many hours in the day and so many officers who can work a case. The more time LE spends on illegitimate/garbage/groundless tips, the less they have for legitimate tips and legitimate work.

In fact, LE *must* use some sort of informational triage when evaluating tips. For instance, many times people have sent LE on wild goose chases to distract or displace LE, to make it easier to commit crimes elsewhere. Or it could just be general mischief. At the very least, pursuing psychic tips is a waste of time and money; at worst, it can open LE to other forms of risk and abuse. Psychic tips are no more useful than having a blindfolded person throw darts at a map. They are hunches (often derived from common outcomes in cases -- 'I think the body is in the water'), and LE is much better equipped to generate their own hunches than rely on the hunches of psychics.

cluciano63
02-27-2012, 06:30 PM
OK, that could be why TBI was specific in saying nothing was found in Parsons, TN...they did not say nothing was found, period.

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 06:33 PM
Right. This search apparently is in that Natchez Trace park area

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 06:37 PM
"Several significant articles of evidence." Hmmmm.......

cocomod
02-27-2012, 06:47 PM
At least there is some movement in Holly's case. I cannot believe how quiet her case has been. She deserves to be found; and I hope that justice will also be met.

Walker007
02-27-2012, 06:59 PM
I am really surprised the media doesn't fact check but maybe they have limited budgets. All this does is cause problems for the investigation and stress on the family.

HauntsForHope
02-27-2012, 07:07 PM
Right. This search apparently is in that Natchez Trace park area

That's the park behind her home. I thought she was taken away by car and her stuff found 8 miles North....:waitasec:

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 07:44 PM
That's the park behind her home. I thought she was taken away by car and her stuff found 8 miles North....:waitasec:

The only confirmed item found was the lunch bag I think off Goonch road (? i forget now). But LE and the family had said perhaps that was planted as a ruse.

cluciano63
02-27-2012, 09:30 PM
http://www.wdef.com/news/story/DeKalb-County-Mounted-Patrol-Helps-in-Holly-Bobo/iFxvSStjDUWSQB0rdyQn7w.cspx

Just to get things back to "normal" for this case...this article says that they "did not find any evidence."

Many of the areas searched were impassable by anything other than a horse. The Unit conducted their search using spiral and grid technologies, and did not find any evidence. They did tag with the areas searched with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 10:43 PM
What's very odd is the quotes ate the same but with words left out. " they did tag with the areas searched with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI" makes NO sense. Why were words left out to change the meaning?

cluciano63
02-27-2012, 10:55 PM
Maybe it is just a really poorly -written sentence...meaning they marked the search areas on their GPS and turned the data over to TBI?

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Maybe it is just a really poorly -written sentence...meaning they marked the search areas on their GPS and turned the data over to TBI?

That's not what it said in the quote I posted a bit ago. This quote leaves out a lot of words!

Carla Lashelle
02-27-2012, 11:36 PM
http://www.waff.com/story/17027461/d...ly-bobo-search

I copied and pasted this line earlier...

"The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to find several significant articles of evidence. They tagged each piece of evidence with their GPS system and turned it over to the TBI.

DeKalb County Sheriff Jimmy Harris said these articles will allow the TBI to move forward with their investigation."

wfgodot
02-27-2012, 11:40 PM
At this point, I'd say "I'm officially baffled," but I've been officially baffled ever since the first or second day of this case, and it would therefore be largely rhetorical to admit it.

Safe money's still on "this will come to nothing," though. Sadly. Based on prior-but-temporary excitements in the case.

T4Tide
02-27-2012, 11:55 PM
yes its in Henderson County

Henderson County.... near where Holly's grandmother's land is located?

:innocent:

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 12:11 AM
That's not what it said in the quote I posted a bit ago. This quote leaves out a lot of words!

I know, I was just trying to hazard a guess at what the sentence might be trying to say...who knows...

shefner
02-28-2012, 12:18 AM
I think we are feeling some movement in Holly's case...starting with the arrest of the SO. (And I'm not saying the SO has anything to do with Holly's case) You can feel a bit of intensity building, even if all the info we are receiving isn't exactly verified. ANY movement in a case of this length is good...if nothing more than for publicity. Hopefully the perp is feeling some pressure....

ThoughtFox
02-28-2012, 12:38 AM
My two cents :twocents: ~ the TBI knows they are running out of time if they are going to find any evidence before Spring comes. I mean, everything is blooming here in Tennessee right now because it has been warm, and things are greening up. The weeds will be several feet high and the snakes will be out by May, so they only have a short time left to do these searches.

ThoughtFox
02-28-2012, 12:43 AM
Well something is afoot... this is the first fairly large scale official search I have heard about in some months; the DeKalb County Sheriff's Mounted Unit

http://www.waff.com/story/17027461/dekalb-county-sheriffs-mounted-unit-assists-with-holly-bobo-search

Not only that, they seem to have found something (but then we have heard that before...)

"The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to find several significant articles of evidence. They tagged each piece of evidence with their GPS system and turned it over to the TBI.

DeKalb County Sheriff Jimmy Harris said these articles will allow the TBI to move forward with their investigation."

Note that the Sheriff said the items WILL ALLOW the TBI to move forward with their investigation. He did not say could....

That is so interesting about tagging things with GPS. Campsites? Equipment dumped in the woods? Empty food or fuel cans? Sleeping bags?

There are just so many possibilities and reasons why they might just tag it and leave it where it is for the TBI.

MizStery
02-28-2012, 12:55 AM
That's not what it said in the quote I posted a bit ago. This quote leaves out a lot of words!

Carla, I read your post and went back to the article I read at Fox 6.

I checked the wording it is exactly as you originally quoted,"
The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to find several significant articles of evidence. They tagged the areas searched with their GPS system and turned it over to the TBI."
Link

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/17027461/dekalb-county-sheriffs-mounted-unit-assists-with-holly-bobo-search?clienttype=printable

MagnoliaMom
02-28-2012, 02:41 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17031447/sheriff-evidence-found-in-holly-bobo-disappearance


People who work at Dottie's Convenience store say there were at least 100 people searching and many of them were on horseback.

"We was asking if they were here searching and they said they couldn't disclose that information and stuff and they wouldn't really tell us much," said Kayla Hatley, a clerk at the store.

However, Hatley said one person finally did confirm that the search was for Holly Bobo.

HauntsForHope
02-28-2012, 03:13 AM
The only confirmed item found was the lunch bag I think off Goonch road (? i forget now). But LE and the family had said perhaps that was planted as a ruse.

planted? oh, i hadn't heard that. so le is working off the theory that HB was killed and left in the local woods and the lunch bag tossed 8 mi North as a diversion?

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 03:19 AM
Carla, I read your post and went back to the article I read at Fox 6.

I checked the wording it is exactly as you originally quoted,"
The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to find several significant articles of evidence. They tagged the areas searched with their GPS system and turned it over to the TBI."
Link

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/17027461/dekalb-county-sheriffs-mounted-unit-assists-with-holly-bobo-search?clienttype=printable

I just don't get why the wdef article said the opposite, that NOTHING was found...why is everything such a muddle in this case???

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 05:10 AM
Cluciano be sure to read the entire article linked at the end.
As Carla LaShelle pointed out in her post why would WDEF completely edit out any mention of the items from the weekend search sent on to the TBI.

Thanks to MagnoliaMom for the link. The following quote is from WMCTV.
People who work at Dottie's Convenience store say there were at least 100 people searching and many of them were on horseback.

"We was asking if they were here searching and they said they couldn't disclose that information
and stuff and they wouldn't really tell us much," said Kayla Hatley, a clerk at the store.

However, Hatley said one person finally did confirm that the search was for Holly Bobo.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/17031447/...-disappearance (http://http://www.wmctv.com/story/17031447/...-disappearance)

I did read both, the two stations had opposite info as to whether or not anything was found...

MizStery
02-28-2012, 06:20 AM
I did read both, the two stations had opposite info as to whether or not anything was found...
Here is the paragraph from the WMCTV article which MagnoliaMom linked in her post that refers to found articles in the search.


"However, Hatley said one person finally did confirm that the search was for Holly Bobo.

"One mounted unit came from DeKalb County, AL, and the sheriff wrote a news release saying that they discovered "significant articles of
evidence."

The sheriff wouldn't say what those items were and neither would the TBI."
So the WMCTV (above)website agrees with the Fox6 website that I
quoted in my previous post.


The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to
find several significant articles of evidence.

Now,I am not sure I answered your question or if I am still so baffled by the
flip flop at the WAFF website which changed their article from "significant
article" found in search..... to "did not find anything".

So we have two news sources (WMCTV and Fox6) saying "significant" and WAFF switching from "significant" to "did not find anything".

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 09:29 AM
Here is the paragraph from the WMCTV article which MagnoliaMom linked in her post that refers to found articles in the search.


"However, Hatley said one person finally did confirm that the search was for Holly Bobo.

"One mounted unit came from DeKalb County, AL, and the sheriff wrote a news release saying that they discovered "significant articles of
evidence."

The sheriff wouldn't say what those items were and neither would the TBI."
So the WMCTV (above)website agrees with the Fox6 website that I
quoted in my previous post.


The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to
find several significant articles of evidence.

Now,I am not sure I answered your question or if I am still so baffled by the
flip flop at the WAFF website which changed their article from "significant
article" found in search..... to "did not find anything".

So we have two news sources (WMCTV and Fox6) saying "significant" and WAFF switching from "significant" to "did not find anything".


Why should that surprise you!
Ever sind April 13th all inf has flip flopped since she was Dragged led or walked in fear for her life. JMO

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 09:30 AM
Right. This search apparently is in that Natchez Trace park area


Here is a map of the area!



http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.681744079500184~-88.13704944803163&lvl=19&dir=0&sty=h&where1=457%20Jack%20Baker%20Loop,%20Parsons,%20TN% 2038363&form=LMLTCC

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 09:34 AM
I am really surprised the media doesn't fact check but maybe they have limited budgets. All this does is cause problems for the investigation and stress on the family.

They do fact check!
I think they might be told to change certain things!

JMO

Nothing out of the local news so my guess is they were asked to remain quiet!

Jmo

nursebeeme
02-28-2012, 09:53 AM
Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."

http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/DeKalb-County-Investigators-Join-Bobo-Search/KWVADzzPpEuX5dZE6mSDYA.cspx

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 10:00 AM
A bit more detail... search between the Yellow Springs and Bible Hill areas. This reporter has a copy of the Sheriff's report saying some evidence was found.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/17031447/sheriff-evidence-found-in-holly-bobo-disappearance

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Anyone know where Hollys grandmothers property is located?
TIA

nursebeeme
02-28-2012, 10:38 AM
posting a gentle reminder that we are not sleuthing family members: they are victims. (we have had problems with this in the past... so this is a preventative reminder)

this lands at random

AmandaReckonwith
02-28-2012, 11:22 AM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/

Holly Bobo case archive.

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 11:25 AM
Anyone know where Hollys grandmothers property is located?
TIA

not in the direction of the latest searches if I remember correctly. Isn't that property in Darden and this is in Henderson also?

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 11:51 AM
not in the direction of the latest searches if I remember correctly. Isn't that property in Darden and this is in Henderson also?

thanks Carla i found it~
Its opposite direction!

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 11:52 AM
Why do u suppose LE keeps changing the latest info?
they found something they didnt find anything!

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 11:55 AM
Im not sure LE changed it or the news station bungled it. Most all reports including new ones today say something was found.

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 11:55 AM
I do think and this is just my opinion that LE requested silence.
the local news has said nothing.
Its all come from out of ther area.

Strangest case i ever followed and that the truth!

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 12:19 PM
I do think and this is just my opinion that LE requested silence.
the local news has said nothing.
Its all come from out of ther area.

Strangest case i ever followed and that the truth!

I dont think LE requested silence since 10 to 1 news reports cite the Sheriff as saying things were found and one station showed his actual printed release.

Walker007
02-28-2012, 12:33 PM
They do fact check!
I think they might be told to change certain things!

JMO

Nothing out of the local news so my guess is they were asked to remain quiet!

Jmo

They didn't do a complete fact check in these recent articles. Sometimes there is a reason why things are not in the media as it could hurt an investigation. While I know people are curious, have concern and want to know everything that is going on naturally.. if it is in the best interest of an investigation for information to remain confidential then I think anyone would be willing to forgo - When you read the parts in the article about the locals saying the searchers would not disclose information that means 99.9 percent of the teams that were also there know how to follow instructions as professionals.

I will post this article again and I HIGHLY recommend for people to share it with all about what families are subjected to when they have a missing person - This goes PERFECTLY inline with the "blogger" who claimed a body was found this past weekend - totally false and puts a family in a tailspin and creates another mountain of anguish on top of one another:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/families-holly-bobo-samantha-koenig-private-torment/story?id=15508160#.T00AHJh9020


SNIPPED:


Monica Caison, the founder and director of the North Carolina-based CUE Center for Missing Persons, has had clients get terrifying phone calls in the middle of the night with someone wailing "Mommy" and pretending to be their missing child. Caison said the mother had a "complete nervous breakdown" following the call.

Others fend off virtual attacks.

"It's a scary thing when you open up a friend request and it's your kids," Caison said. "For two seconds, your heart drops. For 10 minutes, you wonder if it's the thing you've been waiting for."


SNIPPED:


"The families are tormented by letters from psychics, fake Facebook pages, anonymous letters and mysterious phone calls, among other attacks.

"It's very hard. I went through everything. My son was missing for two years, two months and 12 days," Dwayne Baker told ABCNews.com. "Psychics called me. I even received a DVD in the mail that a guy claimed he could talk to the dead and this was Travis' voice, with no return address. I don't understand why people would want to do that."


SNIPPED:



"We were definitely caught by surprise. We had no idea of the cruelty out there," Karen Bobo, the mother of missing Tennessee nursing student Holly Bobo, told ABCNews.com.

SNIPPED:


"The Bobo family has also received "strange" and "hurtful" emails and letters.

"At the moment when you do receive a letter or something, there's an instant panic that sets in and then you get past that and you have to remember to keep focus where it should be and that's finding Holly," Bobo said. "It's extremely hard for me to comprehend what someone would gain from something like that."

The anguish takes a toll on families already coping with the disappearance."

More at the link posted above - Please share

Eileen730
02-28-2012, 01:07 PM
News Channel 3 Official Fan Page(google if link doesn't work)

http://www.facebook.com/wreg3 (scroll down to older posts on AL Sheriff - holly bobo search

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 01:20 PM
Who do they have writing these releases a bunch of gibbons?

HauntsForHope
02-28-2012, 02:51 PM
Why do u suppose LE keeps changing the latest info?
they found something they didnt find anything!

When I was a member of TES, as we did searches we would mark anything we found along the way. Clothes, discarded items like soda cans, food wrappers, etc.... while these items might be of evidence, they also might not. But during the search EVERYTHING gets marked, just in case. Then after LE gets to look them over to decide if they are relevant or not, much of it is disregarded. So, while during the search, lots of stuff is found, in the end, you got nothing.

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 02:56 PM
Here is the paragraph from the WMCTV article which MagnoliaMom linked in her post that refers to found articles in the search.


"However, Hatley said one person finally did confirm that the search was for Holly Bobo.

"One mounted unit came from DeKalb County, AL, and the sheriff wrote a news release saying that they discovered "significant articles of
evidence."

The sheriff wouldn't say what those items were and neither would the TBI."
So the WMCTV (above)website agrees with the Fox6 website that I
quoted in my previous post.


The unit searched using spiral and grid technologies and was able to
find several significant articles of evidence.

Now,I am not sure I answered your question or if I am still so baffled by the
flip flop at the WAFF website which changed their article from "significant
article" found in search..... to "did not find anything".

So we have two news sources (WMCTV and Fox6) saying "significant" and WAFF switching from "significant" to "did not find anything".

I didn't really have a question...just pointing out that as per usual with this case, we have different versions of a simple fact, whether or not LE claims anything was found that will help the investigation. I have no opinion on it, as I have no idea. Just a little disgusted that we get both versions. That's all.

MizStery
02-28-2012, 03:24 PM
I didn't really have a question...just pointing out that as per usual with this case, we have different versions of a simple fact, whether or not LE claims anything was found that will help the investigation. I have no opinion on it, as I have no idea. Just a little disgusted that we get both versions. That's all.

If you have the best logic in the world but you start with bad information you can get a false conclusion. That is why we are frustrated here at Websleuths we depend(expect) on *facts to be correct. When we are given information or facts which are *conflicted,deceptive or just outright false & misleading over & over .....it is just frustrating...which makes you suspicious of why?* MOO

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 03:44 PM
What is maddening is we have the exact same "quote" from the same sheriff but in one instance key words are omitted. like in one case it says DID find and in the other DID NOT find.

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 04:00 PM
What is maddening is we have the exact same "quote" from the same sheriff but in one instance key words are omitted. like in one case it says DID find and in the other DID NOT find.

Yes. My point exactly.
To what purpose???? This is bizarre.

Carla Lashelle
02-28-2012, 04:11 PM
Yes. My point exactly.
To what purpose???? This is bizarre.

very bizarre! And if the original release was wrong how do you explain that??? Don't they have proof readers? There is a big difference between FOUND and DID NOT find

maskedwoman
02-28-2012, 04:24 PM
My two cents :twocents: ~ the TBI knows they are running out of time if they are going to find any evidence before Spring comes. I mean, everything is blooming here in Tennessee right now because it has been warm, and things are greening up. The weeds will be several feet high and the snakes will be out by May, so they only have a short time left to do these searches.

I'm not sure how "east" you are, or how elevated, but Parson's is about an hour west of me. It's been so warm here most of the "winter" I'm not sure the snakes ever went to sleep! The vegetation will spring up very quickly once it gets warm. Things that are visible now will be covered over by greenery and could disappear forever.

maskedwoman
02-28-2012, 04:35 PM
I know I'm stating the obvious but it's just ridiculous that we can't even get a clear idea of what the Sheriff really said. Three different MSM outlets have vastly different quotes. I think even the proverbial monkeys typing out the classics could do better!

http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/DeKalb-County-Investigators-Join-Bobo-Search/KWVADzzPpEuX5dZE6mSDYA.cspx

Now, according to this article that includes quotes from a "prepared release" by Sheriff Harris, they did find several "crucial" articles.

cluciano63
02-28-2012, 08:30 PM
Well, I am not getting my hopes up that anything important or leading to Holly was found. It is sad that between the media and LE in this case, they immediately seem to take away any little hope they might offer that they are getting closer to a resolution. JMO of course.

cocomod
02-29-2012, 01:01 AM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120228/NEWS01/120228012/Officials-TBI-say-no-new-evidence-discovered-Bobo-case?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE


Local officials with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation said a search in Decatur County this weekend did not lead to new evidence in the case of missing student Holly Bobo.




He said Sheriff Jimmy Harris in DeKalb County, Ala. sent out incorrect information in a press release

cocomod
02-29-2012, 01:05 AM
I am going to go out on a limb here. I rarely do this, but I must say something. If I were Kristen Helm with the TBI, I would honestly be embarrassed. There are several high profile cases in TN this year, and the TBI has NOT solved even one of these cases. I just do NOT get it!

:thewhip: Coco :nono:

I am disciplining myself! Bad Coco Bad Coco! :runaway:

Plumeria5
02-29-2012, 01:32 AM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120228/NEWS01/120228012/Officials-TBI-say-no-new-evidence-discovered-Bobo-case?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

How disappointing! Not wanting to find a body but at least find some clues!! Back to square one. :notgood:

wishuwerehere
02-29-2012, 01:32 AM
Is anyone here surprised?

Holly deserves better than this.

jmo

marlame
02-29-2012, 01:35 AM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120228/NEWS01/120228012/Officials-TBI-say-no-new-evidence-discovered-Bobo-case?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

I find it hard to believe that when the sheriff said this...

"Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."

...That it was " incorrect information in a press release". My bet is TBI didn't want this info released. WTH????

Please let them find Holly! :please:

JMHO~ MarlaMe

Plumeria5
02-29-2012, 01:46 AM
I find it hard to believe that when the sheriff said this...

"Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."



...That it was " incorrect information in a press release". My bet is TBI didn't want this info released. WTH????

Please let them find Holly! :please:

JMHO~ MarlaMe

Very true! It is one thing to say there is evidence but then they elaborated with the "tagged with GPS and turned over to the TBI". Someone is not being truthful here and I have a feeling it is the TBI.

Yoda
02-29-2012, 01:57 AM
This is one bizarre case. And usually the bizarre part of a case is the circumstances leading up to and the disappearance of a person. What happened, and continues to happen, after Holly's disappearance just keeps raising the level of bizarre.
Jmo

cluciano63
02-29-2012, 01:59 AM
Or the items they tagged and turned over were worthless to the investigation as they cannot be connected to Holly. Who knows...I guess we will find out sooner or later, that is, if they really did find anything, but I don't think they did. JMO

Yoda
02-29-2012, 02:14 AM
Is this the only case in tn where they have had multiple incorrect press releases?! They did not have any clarifications for Karen swift or Gail palmgren did they? The very first press release was revised several times for Holly. Dragged, pulled, guided, walked. And mom was there, mom wasn't there, etc?!

Wonless
02-29-2012, 02:31 AM
I am going to go out on a limb here. I rarely do this, but I must say something. If I were Kristen Helm with the TBI, I would honestly be embarrassed. There are several high profile cases in TN this year, and the TBI has NOT solved even one of these cases. I just do NOT get it!

:thewhip: Coco :nono:

I am disciplining myself! Bad Coco Bad Coco! :runaway:

I agree.

wishuwerehere
02-29-2012, 02:31 AM
It’s been over 10 months since Holly has been missing. TBI’s secretive nature in handling this case has, obviously, not produced Holly. It seems as though TBI’s secret investigation has made things appear more complicated at least from where I’m standing. And now there is more money on the table, $250,000 and the vultures (psychics, et al) are circling. Did the increase of the reward prompt the latest search which turned up “significant articles of evidence” but then, wait for it, no, nothing, never mind people. Nothing to see here. Move along now. Hey, if more money makes LE move their butts to search for Holly, then great. Or I could be totally off base here, and maybe the recent arrest of RSO Britt gave them some info. Or LE could have found a tip on where to look for Holly by searching through that Calabrese guy’s things. But that new money on the table sure did seem like a push. I just hope that this is not a sign of things to come as in if you want LE to find your missing loved one, you better have “big” money in escrow.

IMO, more than ever, TBI should give a press conf. and clear up a few things.

jmo

Wonless
02-29-2012, 02:37 AM
I find it hard to believe that when the sheriff said this...

"Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."

...That it was " incorrect information in a press release". My bet is TBI didn't want this info released. WTH????

Please let them find Holly! :please:

JMHO~ MarlaMe

I disagree, I don't believe its would be legal for LE "if" a piece of information where leaked that they didn't want leaked, for them to lie about the existance of the information/evidence...I think if that where the case you would something more like "We have no comment at this time..." or "We can not discuss an ongoing investigation.." Want I mean is that I think its legally shakey ground for public officials to knowingly lie to the public, and I doubt that they would.

~n/t~
02-29-2012, 07:39 AM
Is this the only case in tn where they have had multiple incorrect press releases?! They did not have any clarifications for Karen swift or Gail palmgren did they? The very first press release was revised several times for Holly. Dragged, pulled, guided, walked. And mom was there, mom wasn't there, etc?!

I followed Karen's case and don't recall all these inconsistencies. But then again, that case remains unsolved.

I'm wondering why they had to get LE from Alabama to do a search? I realize they have horses but so does TES and perhaps TES has other equipment that can handle such remote areas?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're actually doing ground searches rather than para gliders but wondering why not get experienced SAR teams with proper equipment? :waitasec:

Carla Lashelle
02-29-2012, 08:38 AM
I followed Karen's case and don't recall all these inconsistencies. But then again, that case remains unsolved.

I'm wondering why they had to get LE from Alabama to do a search? I realize they have horses but so does TES and perhaps TES has other equipment that can handle such remote areas?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're actually doing ground searches rather than para gliders but wondering why not get experienced SAR teams with proper equipment? :waitasec:

This particular sheriff's unit has a good record, had the equipment, expertise, etc. They were asked to do the search. I would trust a trained agency like the DeKalb unit over a private bunch any day.

~n/t~
02-29-2012, 08:52 AM
This particular sheriff's unit has a good record, had the equipment, expertise, etc. They were asked to do the search. I would trust a trained agency like the DeKalb unit over a private bunch any day.

Well ok then. Let's hope they found something. Anything to solve this case!

Eileen730
02-29-2012, 10:02 AM
Very true! It is one thing to say there is evidence but then they elaborated with the "tagged with GPS and turned over to the TBI". Someone is not being truthful here and I have a feeling it is the TBI.



What are they hiding?

Eileen730
02-29-2012, 10:31 AM
I dont think this case will be solved anytime soon! JMO

Eileen730
02-29-2012, 10:37 AM
This particular sheriff's unit has a good record, had the equipment, expertise, etc. They were asked to do the search. I would trust a trained agency like the DeKalb unit over a private bunch any day.

Only thing here is i do not believe TES would change their story like DeKalb did.
LE is LE! and changing their story made them look really bad its sad!
JMO

I do not for one second think its media reporting on all this now i understand why Media does not cover this!

jmo

ThoughtFox
02-29-2012, 10:47 AM
I followed Karen's case and don't recall all these inconsistencies. But then again, that case remains unsolved.

I'm wondering why they had to get LE from Alabama to do a search? I realize they have horses but so does TES and perhaps TES has other equipment that can handle such remote areas?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're actually doing ground searches rather than para gliders but wondering why not get experienced SAR teams with proper equipment? :waitasec:

That part of northern Alabama has some very remote wilderness areas where people get lost all the time. So I'm sure they have an excellent search team. I think it can only be a good thing that they are involved. I'm sure they have the proper equipment, but more importantly they are very professional.

TxLady2
02-29-2012, 10:59 AM
I disagree, I don't believe its would be legal for LE "if" a piece of information where leaked that they didn't want leaked, for them to lie about the existance of the information/evidence...I think if that where the case you would something more like "We have no comment at this time..." or "We can not discuss an ongoing investigation.." Want I mean is that I think its legally shakey ground for public officials to knowingly lie to the public, and I doubt that they would.

Maybe not illegal, but certainly unprofessional, as well as unethical. Nine times out of ten it is the media who reports inaccurately. Even when they report something as a direct quote from LE, you can't be certain it is exact word-for-word. They will edit out words which could alter the whole meaning.

Oriah
02-29-2012, 11:38 AM
Bumping Holly's FBI poster again:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

Carla Lashelle
02-29-2012, 12:01 PM
Only thing here is i do not believe TES would change their story like DeKalb did.
LE is LE! and changing their story made them look really bad its sad!
JMO

I do not for one second think its media reporting on all this now i understand why Media does not cover this!

jmo

Im not sure if its DeKalb changing anything or the TBI/Henderson/Darden LE. TES sure screwed things up here in FL with the Haleigh Cummings fiasco thats for sure when they tried to play cop and run an undercover investigation of their own

RoseRed
02-29-2012, 01:16 PM
Im not sure if its DeKalb changing anything or the TBI/Henderson/Darden LE. TES sure screwed things up here in FL with the Haleigh Cummings fiasco thats for sure when they tried to play cop and run an undercover investigation of their own
Yes and thank you for saying that definitely needs to be repeated.

MizStery
02-29-2012, 02:34 PM
Is this the only case in tn where they have had multiple incorrect press releases?! They did not have any clarifications for Karen swift or Gail palmgren did they? The very first press release was revised several times for Holly. Dragged, pulled, guided, walked. And mom was there, mom wasn't there, etc?!

Spin~revise,rearrange edit,deny,redefine...twist & turn until the facts support your intended interpretation of the story and events. Anyone remember,"depends on your definition of "is"....MOO

cluciano63
02-29-2012, 04:58 PM
Seems to be spreading...there is a "found not found evidence" dispute in Ailiyah's case now too...media changing what they previously wrote...good grief...

AmandaReckonwith
02-29-2012, 05:34 PM
Hard to know what to save and what to say pffft to.

Case archive:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/

Carla Lashelle
02-29-2012, 06:49 PM
You know things are seriously messed up when Gather issues a retraction

HauntsForHope
02-29-2012, 06:59 PM
Im not sure if its DeKalb changing anything or the TBI/Henderson/Darden LE. TES sure screwed things up here in FL with the Haleigh Cummings fiasco thats for sure when they tried to play cop and run an undercover investigation of their own

Yes, they got in way over their head in that case. I don't think you will see them involved like that in a case ever again. Tim Miller's Heart has always been in the right place. Things got ugly in the Casey Anthony case too. TES is private and they charge a fee. They also require a contract with LE. They will not work without LE consent and cooperation. I left after the searches for Tracy Ocasio wound down. I just can't hike the tropical terrain anymore. But as long as they stick to what they do best, which is Horse back searches, they are a top notch SAR team! jmo

Chili Fries
02-29-2012, 07:13 PM
I find it hard to believe that when the sheriff said this...

"Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."

...That it was " incorrect information in a press release". My bet is TBI didn't want this info released. WTH????

Please let them find Holly! :please:

JMHO~ MarlaMe

Sounds to me like Sheriff Harris is tooting his own horn here. Notice that he also throws in the fact that the TBI was impressed by his team's tactics, not what they actually found.

I'm glad to see something happening in the search for Holly and appreciate Sheriff Harris and his unit's efforts but I think the good Sheriff is probably making more of what they were able to accomplish than what it actually provided the TBI in terms of investigative evidence or leads. No shame in that though, we know that most searches turn up nothing.

And yes, the snakes are already out and about here in north Alabama. I had a corn snake outside my garage door this morning.

Onyx
03-01-2012, 12:04 AM
What ever happened to Holly hopefully being brought home by the end of the year (2011)?!

HauntsForHope
03-01-2012, 12:25 AM
Sounds to me like Sheriff Harris is tooting his own horn here. Notice that he also throws in the fact that the TBI was impressed by his team's tactics, not what they actually found.

I'm glad to see something happening in the search for Holly and appreciate Sheriff Harris and his unit's efforts but I think the good Sheriff is probably making more of what they were able to accomplish than what it actually provided the TBI in terms of investigative evidence or leads. No shame in that though, we know that most searches turn up nothing.

And yes, the snakes are already out and about here in north Alabama. I had a corn snake outside my garage door this morning.

They can all toot their horns as loud as they like as long as it brings back Holly. In fact, it might be a good sign when they start taking their bows, might mean they're wrapping up the case....one can hope.

Plumeria5
03-02-2012, 02:45 AM
Just watching the Natalie Holloway docudrama on LMN. How frustrating it was for Beth and the family to try to get justice for Natalie! Wondering if in Holly's case, there are those that are covering for the person/persons responsible for her disappearance. Something tells me there is more than one person involved.

Walker007
03-02-2012, 03:05 AM
No legitimate search org toots their own horns and inserts themselves into cases. That is red flag 101 in the search world --- Plenty claim they don't come in unless LE calls them but in reality the high profile ones many gravitate to and will indeed insert themselves and claim otherwise . I am surprised nobody has dug enough to see that this Sheriff did toot his own horn. He was one of dozens of teams that were brought in from 11 states with more than 5 resources in SAR that were utilized on this search -Sheriff was called in by a national org who did not inset themselves into this case but were requested by top law officials. Calling outside mounted teams not in typical network is not uncommon when you can't fly a horse to a location. You would expect more from a sheriff department so one would think. Again, goes to show the professionalism of those who were indeed brought in --- 99.9 % of the other teams present who did not send out press releases. This sheriff has NO jurisdiction and this was indeed a toot my horn moment as I said earlier the other 99.9 % of teams did not press release themselves out in this type of fashion.

Carla Lashelle
03-02-2012, 09:02 AM
Well its not like the DeKalb unit just inserted themselves - they were asked to do the search by TN authorities.

ThoughtFox
03-02-2012, 09:09 AM
No legitimate search org toots their own horns and inserts themselves into cases. That is red flag 101 in the search world --- Plenty claim they don't come in unless LE calls them but in reality the high profile ones many gravitate to and will indeed insert themselves and claim otherwise . I am surprised nobody has dug enough to see that this Sheriff did toot his own horn. He was one of dozens of teams that were brought in from 11 states with more than 5 resources in SAR that were utilized on this search -Sheriff was called in by a national org who did not inset themselves into this case but were requested by top law officials. Calling outside mounted teams not in typical network is not uncommon when you can't fly a horse to a location. You would expect more from a sheriff department so one would think. Again, goes to show the professionalism of those who were indeed brought in --- 99.9 % of the other teams present who did not send out press releases. This sheriff has NO jurisdiction and this was indeed a toot my horn moment as I said earlier the other 99.9 % of teams did not press release themselves out in this type of fashion.

It's a directly neighboring state. People just across the Alabama line have close ties with Tennessee, and vice versa.

So he tooted his own horn - so what? Every search team I've ever read about does that. TES does the same thing, and has hundreds of fans lined up to do it for them. Some of us are not as thrilled with them - they don't find everyone they are looking for - not even close. They didn't find Caylee Anthony and she was right there in the neighborhood. They apparently searched everywhere except in her own back yard. :twocents:

I actually applaud LE for bringing in some new eyes and horses on the ground. These folks may not have found Holly, but they searched a wide area that can be cleared. Knowing where someone is not is just as important as knowing where someone is. JMOO :cow:

Oriah
03-02-2012, 09:59 AM
It's a directly neighboring state. People just across the Alabama line have close ties with Tennessee, and vice versa.

So he tooted his own horn - so what? Every search team I've ever read about does that. TES does the same thing, and has hundreds of fans lined up to do it for them. Some of us are not as thrilled with them - they don't find everyone they are looking for - not even close. They didn't find Caylee Anthony and she was right there in the neighborhood. They apparently searched everywhere except in her own back yard. :twocents:

I actually applaud LE for bringing in some new eyes and horses on the ground. These folks may not have found Holly, but they searched a wide area that can be cleared. Knowing where someone is not is just as important as knowing where someone is. JMOO :cow:
BBM:
I agree.

MOO, but often SAR groups (as Walker stated above) do insert themselves into high profile cases, and it is a red flag- not for lack of skill or experience necessarily- but often just because they can. I truly don't know if that's necessarily the case here, because so many states and regions share resources when they simply do not have the same access to equipment or time or manpower- or have already exhausted their own resources on a case, and need outside support.

Maybe the sheriff knew a sheriff who knew another sheriff or whatever- that happens all the time. I think what it all comes down to, is desperation.
And trying to clear or confirm cleared areas. :(

iluvmua
03-02-2012, 12:11 PM
I hope hope hope they found some evidence and this case can be closed.

Carla Lashelle
03-02-2012, 12:59 PM
BBM:

Maybe the sheriff knew a sheriff who knew another sheriff or whatever- that happens all the time. I think what it all comes down to, is desperation.
And trying to clear or confirm cleared areas. :(

The DeKalb unit was ASKED to search as they were a mounted unit not available in Henderson or Darden. They didnt just think of going and searching there on their own.

Oriah
03-02-2012, 01:21 PM
The DeKalb unit was ASKED to search as they were a mounted unit not available in Henderson or Darden. They didnt just think of going and searching there on their own.

I think maybe you misunderstood my post? That's what I meant. It is very common for LE from different jurisdictions to share resources when local resources have been exhausted, or are simply not available.

Carla Lashelle
03-02-2012, 04:11 PM
I think maybe you misunderstood my post? That's what I meant. It is very common for LE from different jurisdictions to share resources when local resources have been exhausted, or are simply not available.

I was really answering the couple of other posts and used yours in my reply. But yeah its quite common. I don't know why people don't get that.

cluciano63
03-05-2012, 06:46 PM
No posts in over 72 hours...
Just posting...because...

Carla Lashelle
03-05-2012, 08:10 PM
Yeah sad but what are people supposed to post on? Honestly every possible thing has been beat to death in the last year...

nosyone
03-05-2012, 08:59 PM
I have been wondering if the requested search was due to the arrest of TB or whether a tip has come in to LE. Any thoughts?

Wonless
03-05-2012, 11:56 PM
I have been wondering about the search area as well..but reports makes it seem like this was an area were terrain was impossible to cover in any other way except with the methods and equipment used be this search unit. It kind of feels like this was a finishing up the original unfinished search more so than a search based on new evidence. If my understanding of the area searched is correct, they were searching an area that was in between the Bobo's Swan Johnson home and the Eaton Rd "Easter" evidence.
In my opinion from my reading of this event, LE was unable to search this area before due to terrain and vegetation restrictions after finding the "Easter" evidence, so they are simply covering all the bases of the original search, i.e. the possibility that Holly was taken from her home and traveled in the direction of the Eaton Rd. IMO for what we know, the other possibility, that Holly was taken in the direction of the Gooch Rd. evidence, I think that LE feel the area was searched fairly thoroughly during the first week after the disappearance.

IMO, if my understanding of the search area is correct, and that understanding comes from WS posts... I think that this search could be an indication that LE has no new leads or evidence in this case.

Sadly I think this indicates that Holly's Case has gone cold...but i'll be more that happy to have someone prove me wrong:fence:

eileenhawkeye
03-06-2012, 02:07 AM
Yeah sad but what are people supposed to post on? Honestly every possible thing has been beat to death in the last year...

I have seen people say the same thing, that we've discussed everything there is to say, in many cases...but there are cases that are decades old and have entire forums to talk about them. What's the difference between Holly's case and those cases? I'm sure there's a lot more information out there about Zodiac...Jack the Ripper...The Black Dahlia...etc but after 50+ years, you're basically talking in circles yet people do it.

Plumeria5
03-06-2012, 08:02 PM
I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now (or should I say found since there is always a small hope she could be found alive) as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!:bigfight:

nosyone
03-06-2012, 08:17 PM
I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!:bigfight:


Several years ago, (I am 57 years old) I would have certainly scoffed at your suggestion, but now with all of the abductions and strange things going on, I think it may be a good idea to place some sort of device to locate people on each individual. But really think about this, we microchip our pets, so that if they get lost or stolen, we can locate and claim them. Have we become reduced to animal level? The recent cases, Holly Bobo, Samantha Koenig, Karen Swift, etc. seems to indicate that we have, which makes me very, very sad.

Chili Fries
03-06-2012, 10:17 PM
I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now (or should I say found since there is always a small hope she could be found alive) as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!:bigfight:

Chip GPS trackers aren't possible with current technology because of the battery limitations. They can't make a battery small enough to implant, and it has to be recharged...think of your cellphone battery.

The GPS trackers sold now for children or the elderly with dementia, or problems like that, are pretty much cellphone sized or fairly bulky wristwatches. They could be easily removed from the abducted (unless it's a watch type and the abductor doesn't realize it).

The implanted pet chips just identify the pet if it goes to a shelter or vet and is scanned, they don't track.

Plumeria5
03-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Chip GPS trackers aren't possible with current technology because of the battery limitations. They can't make a battery small enough to implant, and it has to be recharged...think of your cellphone battery.

The GPS trackers sold now for children or the elderly with dementia, or problems like that, are pretty much cellphone sized or fairly bulky wristwatches. They could be easily removed from the abducted (unless it's a watch type and the abductor doesn't realize it).

The implanted pet chips just identify the pet if it goes to a shelter or vet and is scanned, they don't track.

We went to the moon...surely there is a way it can be done. Maybe not in our lifetime but someday...

Chili Fries
03-06-2012, 10:31 PM
We went to the moon...surely there is a way it can be done. Maybe not in our lifetime but someday...
Oh yeah, it will definitely happen someday, although it may take quite a while. Just not possible now.

For The Kids
03-07-2012, 07:06 AM
that missing person news site looks legit to me and i for one am happy to see someone brave enuff to post something. JMO

For what its worth i know of her from the Hailey Dunn case..she seems more about headlines and drama than fact.

JMO

shefner
03-07-2012, 04:28 PM
I think this case was botched from minute one. Just my opinion and I don't want to hurt LE's feelings. But when you have someone go missing in such a rural area, and do not immediately set up appropriate road blocks, but then have hundreds of untrained strangers and townspeople come roaming around to search, then you have a mess. I don't disagree with LE using volunteers...this happens quite frequently, especially where there is a lot of ground to cover. But the time to act was immediately at the scene (LE was there quickly too, just minutes after Holly went towards the woods), to secure the surrounding areas and to set up check points along the way, especially at on ramps to interstates or larger access roadways.

It just seems obvious to me that this perp was someone who knew the area well. I'm praying its only a matter of time....

TxLady2
03-07-2012, 05:50 PM
I think maybe you misunderstood my post? That's what I meant. It is very common for LE from different jurisdictions to share resources when local resources have been exhausted, or are simply not available.

Yes, they do. Especially sheriff's depts. Our county has a high-tech crime scene van which they bring to other counties to help with major crimes all over this area. They also have a mounted patrol that helps in searches in other counties that don't have them.
It's always nice when different jurisdictions help each other out.

TxLady2
03-07-2012, 06:11 PM
I think this case was botched from minute one. Just my opinion and I don't want to hurt LE's feelings. But when you have someone go missing in such a rural area, and do not immediately set up appropriate road blocks, but then have hundreds of untrained strangers and townspeople come roaming around to search, then you have a mess. I don't disagree with LE using volunteers...this happens quite frequently, especially where there is a lot of ground to cover. But the time to act was immediately at the scene (LE was there quickly too, just minutes after Holly went towards the woods), to secure the surrounding areas and to set up check points along the way, especially at on ramps to interstates or larger access roadways.

It just seems obvious to me that this perp was someone who knew the area well. I'm praying its only a matter of time....

You could be right, though I have a feeling that the unsub took Holly on the back roads, not a main thoroughfare... more like a little trail leading to the boonies, some remote hideout that would have been hard to find.
I don't know that part of Tenn. but around here there are hundreds of roads and trails leading to the middle of nowhere, and it would be impossible to cover them all. It would have taken thousands of officers.
I try not to second-guess LE, but I still don't know why they didn't send people into the woods in the direction that CB pointed out, if there was a chance they could have found her in time to save her life. But... it's surprising how far you can get in 15 to 30 minutes if you're running from the law. He may have had a 4 wheel drive waiting nearby and been nearly out of the state by the time they had searchers rounded up.

TxLady2
03-07-2012, 06:16 PM
No legitimate search org toots their own horns and inserts themselves into cases. That is red flag 101 in the search world --- Plenty claim they don't come in unless LE calls them but in reality the high profile ones many gravitate to and will indeed insert themselves and claim otherwise . I am surprised nobody has dug enough to see that this Sheriff did toot his own horn. He was one of dozens of teams that were brought in from 11 states with more than 5 resources in SAR that were utilized on this search -Sheriff was called in by a national org who did not inset themselves into this case but were requested by top law officials. Calling outside mounted teams not in typical network is not uncommon when you can't fly a horse to a location. You would expect more from a sheriff department so one would think. Again, goes to show the professionalism of those who were indeed brought in --- 99.9 % of the other teams present who did not send out press releases. This sheriff has NO jurisdiction and this was indeed a toot my horn moment as I said earlier the other 99.9 % of teams did not press release themselves out in this type of fashion.

He doesn't need jurisdiction to help search for a missing person. He wasn't there to arrest someone, just to help search.

shefner
03-07-2012, 08:48 PM
You could be right, though I have a feeling that the unsub took Holly on the back roads, not a main thoroughfare... more like a little trail leading to the boonies, some remote hideout that would have been hard to find.
I don't know that part of Tenn. but around here there are hundreds of roads and trails leading to the middle of nowhere, and it would be impossible to cover them all. It would have taken thousands of officers.
I try not to second-guess LE, but I still don't know why they didn't send people into the woods in the direction that CB pointed out, if there was a chance they could have found her in time to save her life. But... it's surprising how far you can get in 15 to 30 minutes if you're running from the law. He may have had a 4 wheel drive waiting nearby and been nearly out of the state by the time they had searchers rounded up.

I have considered the thought of a trail in the woods...but to pull 2 full grown adults on one of those 4-wheelers for miles, through underbrush so deep that trained search dogs could not gain access, seems unlikely . However, it must be an idea that LE considered, since they mentioned seeking ATV tires that had been sold just after the crime.

Criminologists have long stated that, in a majority of cases, the path of least resistance (or the simplest, most feasible logic) is the most likely occurrence. Thinking things through, just for me, I have to believe the perp led Holly through the woods on foot to a waiting vehicle (and a waiting driver? perhaps). I would dare to say (eek) that the perp even passed LE who were en route to the scene of the crime. I believe this perp was local...someone who had access to a car/s...someone Holly knew....someone who searched for her after her disappearance....someone who planted evidence...someone right under LE's nose....someone who is being protected by family or an accomplice. Of course, I could be totally wrong.

Wonless
03-08-2012, 02:48 AM
We need a break...no doubt about it, but...

I wonder if it would be possible to convince the Bobo's sit down with an intelligent and articulate volunteer and to come up with a clear and concise printed version of exactly what happened along with a timeline of the morning of the disappearance that could be released to the public. IMO I feel that the only smallest hope left of actually generating a tangible "lead" would be to release a complete and accurate version of the story. OK, so maybe its the smallest chance in the world, but the Darden/Parsons area has a population of several thousand people, and each one of those people is a camera angle into this crime. The problem is, none of these camera angles are any good if there operators don't know what they are looking at.
IMO this would give each camera angle a solid context with witch they could review and evaluate there footage.

Eileen730
03-08-2012, 01:43 PM
http://www.greatcall.com/5star_urgent_response/

I got them for myself and my family!

Better than nothing i say and i tell them to hide it on you person and dont let anyone know u have it.... not even friends.

Carla Lashelle
03-09-2012, 08:36 AM
This was mentioned on a HB FB page. Probably unrelated but interesting...

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17109033/hendersonville-suspect-arrest

Attempted abduction

TxLady2
03-09-2012, 06:47 PM
I have considered the thought of a trail in the woods...but to pull 2 full grown adults on one of those 4-wheelers for miles, through underbrush so deep that trained search dogs could not gain access, seems unlikely . However, it must be an idea that LE considered, since they mentioned seeking ATV tires that had been sold just after the crime.

Criminologists have long stated that, in a majority of cases, the path of least resistance (or the simplest, most feasible logic) is the most likely occurrence. Thinking things through, just for me, I have to believe the perp led Holly through the woods on foot to a waiting vehicle (and a waiting driver? perhaps). I would dare to say (eek) that the perp even passed LE who were en route to the scene of the crime. I believe this perp was local...someone who had access to a car/s...someone Holly knew....someone who searched for her after her disappearance....someone who planted evidence...someone right under LE's nose....someone who is being protected by family or an accomplice. Of course, I could be totally wrong.

I agree with you. And to clarify, I meant a 4-wheel drive truck or a Jeep.. not a 4-wheeler.

TxLady2
03-09-2012, 07:03 PM
We need a break...no doubt about it, but...

I wonder if it would be possible to convince the Bobo's sit down with an intelligent and articulate volunteer and to come up with a clear and concise printed version of exactly what happened along with a timeline of the morning of the disappearance that could be released to the public. IMO I feel that the only smallest hope left of actually generating a tangible "lead" would be to release a complete and accurate version of the story. OK, so maybe its the smallest chance in the world, but the Darden/Parsons area has a population of several thousand people, and each one of those people is a camera angle into this crime. The problem is, none of these camera angles are any good if there operators don't know what they are looking at.
IMO this would give each camera angle a solid context with witch they could review and evaluate there footage.

Good idea about having the family give an accurate story of the events, but while that might satisfy the curiosity of the public, I don't see how it could help in locating Holly at this point. I'm sure that LE has gone over it many times with all 3 of them, and since her brother was the only other person there, there really isn't much more they can get out of him, IMO. I'm sure he is kicking himself for not being more alert. If no other neighbors saw or heard anything.... they can't be much help, either.
The scary thing is... someone is bound to have seen or passed whatever vehicle this guy was driving and never known anything was wrong. He could have had her in the trunk or a toolbox, or tied up and covered with a tarp or blanket, with a gag in her mouth to keep her from making noise. She could have been 20 feet from someone and they wouldn't realize it.

cluciano63
03-09-2012, 07:32 PM
Good idea about having the family give an accurate story of the events, but while that might satisfy the curiosity of the public, I don't see how it could help in locating Holly at this point. I'm sure that LE has gone over it many times with all 3 of them, and since her brother was the only other person there, there really isn't much more they can get out of him, IMO. I'm sure he is kicking himself for not being more alert. If no other neighbors saw or heard anything.... they can't be much help, either.
The scary thing is... someone is bound to have seen or passed whatever vehicle this guy was driving and never known anything was wrong. He could have had her in the trunk or a toolbox, or tied up and covered with a tarp or blanket, with a gag in her mouth to keep her from making noise. She could have been 20 feet from someone and they wouldn't realize it.

I think this most likely did happen...perhaps even a police vehicle on the way to the Bobo house passed them, as at that point they were not looking for any vehicle, just armed with the knowledge that she set off on foot into the woods with a man. JMO
Too bad they did not all those dash cams that record all the time...maybe they would have been able to look back at other cars and trucks on the roads.

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:12 AM
I will spell it out here - The Dekalb County Mounted Unit was NOT directly called in by TN Authorities - that sheriff saying that was tooting his own horn and a direct lie. They were brought in by CUE along with every other team present. When it falls into LE to LE agencies when a non-for-profit is requesting agency - it tends to fall into a guideline of LE blessing for a team to deploy and this Sheriff used that to garner his press.

The CUE Center For Missing Persons was called in by the top officials in TN - In turn CUE brought in and funded ALL the resources of this LARGE scale search in which was operated & commanded by the CUE Center Founder Monica Caison. There were over 60 horse teams on location. Dekalb was a small part of a very large mounted effort as well as additional 200 + personal. I would not want to be Dekalb at this moment as their "press release" went against professionalism and the requirements set forth by officials. The CUE Center is 100 percent non-for-profit and does NOT charge any fee to any family or gov agency and relies on donations of it's supporters. Period.

To learn more about CUE you can watch this educational video on the org and what all entails operating a search:

In Support Of The Cue Center For Missing Persons - YouTube

I hope this clears up any speculation or questions you all have.

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:15 AM
It's a directly neighboring state. People just across the Alabama line have close ties with Tennessee, and vice versa.

So he tooted his own horn - so what? Every search team I've ever read about does that. TES does the same thing, and has hundreds of fans lined up to do it for them. Some of us are not as thrilled with them - they don't find everyone they are looking for - not even close. They didn't find Caylee Anthony and she was right there in the neighborhood. They apparently searched everywhere except in her own back yard. :twocents:

I actually applaud LE for bringing in some new eyes and horses on the ground. These folks may not have found Holly, but they searched a wide area that can be cleared. Knowing where someone is not is just as important as knowing where someone is. JMOO :cow:


BBM - You are 100 percent correct in the BBM - Eliminating space is instrumental - The media broadcasting search zones - not so much.

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:21 AM
The DeKalb unit was ASKED to search as they were a mounted unit not available in Henderson or Darden. They didnt just think of going and searching there on their own.

Correct - They were asked by the CUE Center who was requested - Not the TBI - Don't think they will be asked back - Don't think the DOZENS of other teams find respect in their presser after others traveled just as far and farther. But you don't see that out there do you?

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:24 AM
For what its worth i know of her from the Hailey Dunn case..she seems more about headlines and drama than fact.

JMO

That article should be considered Criminal for what it did to the BOBO family. Too many people trying to get a TRUMP on something when they get wind of info on searchers in area.. just IN CASE they find a body.

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:40 AM
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I think this most likely did happen...perhaps even a police vehicle on the way to the Bobo house passed them, as at that point they were not looking for any vehicle, just armed with the knowledge that she set off on foot into the woods with a man. JMO
Too bad they did not all those dash cams that record all the time...maybe they would have been able to look back at other cars and trucks on the roads.

Those roads are empty - Can be on them for 3 hours and not see a vehicle. Twists and turns so quick - can loose someone easily and they would have no clue which way someone went.

Walker007
03-10-2012, 12:43 AM
Those roads are empty - Can be on them for 3 hours and not see a vehicle. Twists and turns so quick - can loose someone easily and they would have no clue which way someone went.

Adding more item - if a vehicle is passed on these roads it is noted - there is no traffic - literally.

ThoughtFox
03-10-2012, 01:31 AM
Walker: I understand that you're upset about the press leak, but good heavens - everyone around there for miles knew where they were searching, I bet.

And for all that any of us know, they might have found something that will lead to this case being solved.

The only reason I took up for the DeKalb rescue team is that I know they do good work when people get lost down there in northern Alabama. Sorry - I was just expressing some local pride.


This was mentioned on a HB FB page. Probably unrelated but interesting...

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17109033/hendersonville-suspect-arrest

Attempted abduction

Yes, that's interesting but it seems that suspect was working in his comfort zone around Hendersonville and Gallatin.

ThoughtFox
03-10-2012, 01:34 AM
That article should be considered Criminal for what it did to the BOBO family. Too many people trying to get a TRUMP on something when they get wind of info on searchers in area.. just IN CASE they find a body.

If they did find a body, they wouldn't just ride away and leave it in the woods, though.

And also . . . they didn't find a body. Neither did any of the other multitude of groups searching. That's doesn't seem like a valid criticism to me. :twocents:

Walker007
03-10-2012, 10:41 AM
If they did find a body, they wouldn't just ride away and leave it in the woods, though.

And also . . . they didn't find a body. Neither did any of the other multitude of groups searching. That's doesn't seem like a valid criticism to me. :twocents:

We can disagree on this. That's okay. Your correct in one statement - the family would be notified by TBI FIRST. Not some online blogger who was gambling on whether a body was found or not. I see what it does to families when people are trying to fame out their grief. Awful. Here is an article you may find interesting. I can't wait for the follow ups as I think the public literally needs to understand more about the varies capacities of suffering these families of the missing are subjected to and it doesn't end with what is entailed in this article.

There was no press there. Anyone can sit behind a computer and put on a media cap and write stories - some good and some not so good. And yes, it was no secret that locals saw searchers.
What did the locals say in the articles? ---->The searchers did not discuss information with them and this was not to be rude but following direct orders. The locals were very polite about this as they clearly have the family best interest for a resolution in this case.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/families-holly-bobo-samantha-koenig-private-torment/story?id=15508160#.T1tk4VHns20

As for the Dk Mounted Team it is a shame the Sheriff did that to their team. A press release stating they participated and spoke about their own unit and what they do as a Sheriff Posse would have been appropriate.

I don't want you to think I am angry - not at all - I understand this website is for discussion and I think there are some amazing talented researchers on this website.

cluciano63
03-10-2012, 12:03 PM
I wonder how different this case might be viewed if the "drops" or "flecks" of blood had not been found? Would LE still have considered this to be an abduction right away? Or would it be more like Katelyn Markham's case, where LE is still saying they don't know if she left on her own or was a victim of foul play? Just wondering...not that it makes any difference in helping to find her at this point.

But the blood bothers me because even once Clint heard about the scream, he did not charge into the woods after his sister-he had seen the blood, dismissed it as "turkey" blood, but once he knew a scream had been heard, one would think he would have seen that blood in a new light and instinct/nature would have taken over, causing him to run after her. JMO

OldSteve
03-10-2012, 12:43 PM
I wonder how different this case might be viewed if the "drops" or "flecks" of blood had not been found? Would LE still have considered this to be an abduction right away? Or would it be more like Katelyn Markham's case, where LE is still saying they don't know if she left on her own or was a victim of foul play? Just wondering...not that it makes any difference in helping to find her at this point.

But the blood bothers me because even once Clint heard about the scream, he did not charge into the woods after his sister-he had seen the blood, dismissed it as "turkey" blood, but once he knew a scream had been heard, one would think he would have seen that blood in a new light and instinct/nature would have taken over, causing him to run after her. JMO

Like you, I'm puzzled about events of that morning - in the calm perspective of hindsight allot doesn't make sense:
Why a mom who was not there was so panicked about something bad happening.
Why a bother who was there seems so non-reactive, reluctant to act to the situation.

But so be it, things happen the way they happen sometimes and as we are almost a month away from the one-year anniversary we as the public don't know more than we did a month after this happened.

wishuwerehere
03-10-2012, 03:51 PM
I wonder how different this case might be viewed if the "drops" or "flecks" of blood had not been found? Would LE still have considered this to be an abduction right away? Or would it be more like Katelyn Markham's case, where LE is still saying they don't know if she left on her own or was a victim of foul play? Just wondering...not that it makes any difference in helping to find her at this point.

But the blood bothers me because even once Clint heard about the scream, he did not charge into the woods after his sister-he had seen the blood, dismissed it as "turkey" blood, but once he knew a scream had been heard, one would think he would have seen that blood in a new light and instinct/nature would have taken over, causing him to run after her. JMO

One of the many things I find odd about the story is: Wouldn’t KB inform Clint over the phone about the scream being heard? I believe they spoke a couple of times. (Then he would have known about the scream before he saw the blood.) But according to Clint’s recollection of events, he doesn’t mention being aware of the scream until he encounters the neighbor in the driveway, which prompts Clint to attempt to call the police.

jmo

Carla Lashelle
03-10-2012, 06:47 PM
One of the many things I find odd about the story is: Wouldn’t KB inform Clint over the phone about the scream being heard? I believe they spoke a couple of times. (Then he would have known about the scream before he saw the blood.) But according to Clint’s recollection of events, he doesn’t mention being aware of the scream until he encounters the neighbor in the driveway, which prompts Clint to attempt to call the police.

jmo

Clint didn't call the police. He had gone outside presumably to search for Holly, the neighbor arrived, and he decided to wait for the police to arrive at that point.

All of the guessing and speculating could be cleard up if the multitude of 911 calls were released

wishuwerehere
03-10-2012, 07:47 PM
Clint didn't call the police. He had gone outside presumably to search for Holly, the neighbor arrived, and he decided to wait for the police to arrive at that point.

All of the guessing and speculating could be cleard up if the multitude of 911 calls were released

BBM: Yeah, I know.
I stated he attempted to call the police. According to Clint, he had a phone in his hand (and a gun) when he encountered the neighbor in the driveway. When the neighbor told Clint that a scream had been heard, Clint attempted to call the police (as in about to dial the phone). Clint stated that’s when he heard the police coming up the road. So, no need to actually call them.

ETA: I do not believe the release of the 911 calls would tell us if KB told Clint over the phone she was informed by the neighbor that a scream had been heard coming from the Bobo residence.

And, one more thing: I don’t REALLY know if Clint did or did not connect with 911. That is still a mystery.

But releasing the 911 calls certainly would solve that one!


jmo

Plumeria5
03-11-2012, 04:15 AM
BBM: Yeah, I know.
I stated he attempted to call the police. According to Clint, he had a phone in his hand (and a gun) when he encountered the neighbor in the driveway. When the neighbor told Clint that a scream had been heard, Clint attempted to call the police (as in about to dial the phone). Clint stated that’s when he heard the police coming up the road. So, no need to actually call them.

ETA: I do not believe the release of the 911 calls would tell us if KB told Clint over the phone she was informed by the neighbor that a scream had been heard coming from the Bobo residence.

And, one more thing: I don’t REALLY know if Clint did or did not connect with 911. That is still a mystery.

But releasing the 911 calls certainly would solve that one!


jmo

Was there a reason given for not releasing the 911 calls? Even Daniel Von Bargen's chilling 911 tape was released.

wishuwerehere
03-11-2012, 03:06 PM
Plumeria – TN 911 calls are exempt from open records laws.

This is from 2010: http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/dispatchers-want-911-calls-exempt-open-records-law

This is from 2011 where the TN Senate voted for the exemption of 911 calls: http://purplelawfirm.com/blog_news/2011/04/21/freedom-of-press-and-information-act-tennessee-senate-votes-to-prevent-broadcast-of-911-calls/

"The bill does not seek to prevent subpoena or other court ordered release of these calls to a criminal defendant in court. It appears that the amended Bill only seeks to limit the media’s ability to rebroadcast the calls or republish transcripts."

shefner
03-11-2012, 04:37 PM
Those roads are empty - Can be on them for 3 hours and not see a vehicle. Twists and turns so quick - can loose someone easily and they would have no clue which way someone went.

I understand these are rural roads but to ride on them and see no cars for 3 hours? I find that hard to conceive. I have lived in very rural areas...and urban areas, primarily in NC. I lived in Madison County, which is one of the most rural counties in the mountains...it borders TN...and while there was never "traffic," there were vehicles coming and going.

I say this because we know that Holly, Clint, and each of their parents drove cars down that road daily. Also they had neighbors that traveled that road daily. Then you have friends (such as Drew and Holly's girlfriends) coming up and down that road. So we know the road was traveled frequently.

The day of the incident, the Bobo's front yard was full of friends and neighbors within minutes of the report....

I do wonder if LE was so focused on getting to the residence that they may have missed or overlooked any vehicles traveling past them....I wonder this since they did not set up any roadblocks or check points in an effort to encapsulate the area. I'm not saying this would have located Holly and her abductor/s, but it would have helped eliminate some scenarios.

cluciano63
03-11-2012, 05:06 PM
All of those people who showed up to search probably drove there, which would/should have made the roads busier than usual, if anything...the odd car NOT headed toward the Bobo house should have stood out...they must have joined the rural roads at some point to make the lunch pail drop and to get out of the general area, IMO.

shefner
03-11-2012, 10:38 PM
All of those people who showed up to search probably drove there, which would/should have made the roads busier than usual, if anything...the odd car NOT headed toward the Bobo house should have stood out...they must have joined the rural roads at some point to make the lunch pail drop and to get out of the general area, IMO.

I don't think it was necessarily an "odd car." I think the perp was a local.

Eileen730
03-12-2012, 09:45 AM
I understand these are rural roads but to ride on them and see no cars for 3 hours? I find that hard to conceive. I have lived in very rural areas...and urban areas, primarily in NC. I lived in Madison County, which is one of the most rural counties in the mountains...it borders TN...and while there was never "traffic," there were vehicles coming and going.

I say this because we know that Holly, Clint, and each of their parents drove cars down that road daily. Also they had neighbors that traveled that road daily. Then you have friends (such as Drew and Holly's girlfriends) coming up and down that road. So we know the road was traveled frequently.

The day of the incident, the Bobo's front yard was full of friends and neighbors within minutes of the report....

I do wonder if LE was so focused on getting to the residence that they may have missed or overlooked any vehicles traveling past them....I wonder this since they did not set up any roadblocks or check points in an effort to encapsulate the area. I'm not saying this would have located Holly and her abductor/s, but it would have helped eliminate some scenarios.

Does LE have dashboard cams?
that would and could help!

Walker007
03-13-2012, 09:34 AM
All of those people who showed up to search probably drove there, which would/should have made the roads busier than usual, if anything...the odd car NOT headed toward the Bobo house should have stood out...they must have joined the rural roads at some point to make the lunch pail drop and to get out of the general area, IMO.

I understand your logic - I too would follow the same. But TRUST me when I say you could have got away from that area without being detected. Those roads are nothing in reality than what they look like on a map. If perp had gone south back toward the main highway - would have given a chance for someone to see. Had they traveled northern.. the chances of going undetected are more than great.

Carla Lashelle
03-13-2012, 05:36 PM
Given that Holly and the suspect were most likely on the road before Clint even made it back outside I would say they just drove off. No one would have been looking for them yet. At that time cops didn't even know what had happened.

Wonless
03-13-2012, 10:16 PM
Given that Holly and the suspect were most likely on the road before Clint even made it back outside I would say they just drove off. No one would have been looking for them yet. At that time cops didn't even know what had happened.

100% agree.

IMO Clint thought the guy was holly's boyfriend and went back to bed.

cluciano63
03-13-2012, 11:03 PM
Didn't Le show up when Clint was about to call them? If so, they must have known at least several minutes before the neighbor came by.

Carla Lashelle
03-14-2012, 08:54 AM
Didn't Le show up when Clint was about to call them? If so, they must have known at least several minutes before the neighbor came by.

What LE knew is probably up for speculation but I doubt they knew Holly had been abducted and that she was most likely being driven away by the suspect. One 911 call was about screams heard from the direction of the property. Holly's mom called 911 but we don't know what she told them, but she was not at home and did not know exactly what was going on. At best LE probably thought they were responding to a domestic situation with a screaming girl, people in a garage, etc. It seems that even after Clint told them what happened, it took some time for LE to actually get going. Dana or Karen commented that they just waited around in their yard waiting for more cops to arrive.

iluvmua
03-14-2012, 08:56 AM
This case is so sad. Holly is most likely dead and I hope they solve this case soon.

cluciano63
03-14-2012, 09:51 AM
What LE knew is probably up for speculation but I doubt they knew Holly had been abducted and that she was most likely being driven away by the suspect. One 911 call was about screams heard from the direction of the property. Holly's mom called 911 but we don't know what she told them, but she was not at home and did not know exactly what was going on. At best LE probably thought they were responding to a domestic situation with a screaming girl, people in a garage, etc. It seems that even after Clint told them what happened, it took some time for LE to actually get going. Dana or Karen commented that they just waited around in their yard waiting for more cops to arrive.

True, but if ANY traffic on these roads is really as rare as sighting Bigfoot, than one would think LE would be used to looking at/noting (mentally) every vehicle they pass. Depending on where all the LE came from that morning, someone may well have passed the car/truck carrying Holly. Anyway, it hardly seems to matter now, JMO.

Walker007
03-14-2012, 10:15 AM
True, but if ANY traffic on these roads is really as rare as sighting Bigfoot, than one would think LE would be used to looking at/noting (mentally) every vehicle they pass. Depending on where all the LE came from that morning, someone may well have passed the car/truck carrying Holly. Anyway, it hardly seems to matter now, JMO.

I will agree with this part. If you did see a car you would remember because they are not in abundance. Look on the map and zoom in carefully. You see all those little twists and forks. Some of those are like dirt roller coasters. You dip up, you dip down, you twist, you turn which can put you out of side in an instant. They are not wide.

Carla Lashelle
03-14-2012, 05:41 PM
Yes but people going about their business do not really pay attention to that stuff at 8 AM when they are going to work. Over a year later its probably moot anyway. No one is going to remember seeing something that there is not even a description of.

Darcyline
03-14-2012, 07:14 PM
If it was a local of some sort then I think they would be less likely to make note of vehicles. I personally would be less likely to notice the car even if there aren't many cars on the road. At my parents' cabin I see the same 15 or so cars almost every day. If some tragedy happened two days ago and cops interviewed me about which cars I saw or didn't see I may not be able to answer with certainty. It becomes part of the scenery almost.
I think that is what happened. Some sort of local (I don't necessarily mean a close neighbor or friend, but perhaps someone on the periphery) did it and then if the car or truck was seen it didn't even register as something to notice.
That seems like the most logical chain of events, but the only problem is that it seems like it is hard to hide an obsession like that. Like, if he did become obsessed with Holly I feel like someone else had to have seen some signs. They are either ignoring the signs for some reason or the person was a real loner-not seen as a threat, but not so actively involved with other people on a day-to-day basis that a warning sign would have been obvious. I guess he could just also be a creep/murderer/rapist and not necessarily obsessed with just Holly. That is a scary option.

cluciano63
03-14-2012, 08:10 PM
I agree except I thought that maybe the LE descending upon the home might be a little more aware of what they may have seen, if anything...they were going into a "situation" which may have been unclear, but there was always the chance that a vehicle would be leaving the home or the area, IMO. As I said earlier, it hardly matters now, as evidently nothing useful was noted, as far as we can tell.

Walker007
03-14-2012, 10:21 PM
I agree except I thought that maybe the LE descending upon the home might be a little more aware of what they may have seen, if anything...they were going into a "situation" which may have been unclear, but there was always the chance that a vehicle would be leaving the home or the area, IMO. As I said earlier, it hardly matters now, as evidently nothing useful was noted, as far as we can tell.

Most likely point of travel from LE would be from the main highway up - if perp went up - likelihood of anyone seeing them - slim to zero. This is not an area where 10 cars are going by - literally would be lucky if you saw one vehicle. Desolate does not begin to describe.

nosyone
03-14-2012, 11:11 PM
I have been going back to try to review comments from HB's parents and brother since the kidnapping and saw this one tonight which I don't believe I have seen. On other forums that I have been reading, people are beginning to question the whole scenario as to whether there was really a kidnapping. Does anyone remember seeing this interview? Any thoughts?

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story

Wonless
03-15-2012, 02:47 AM
Anything else new about this guy..

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17109033/h...suspect-arrest


At first it seems hard to picture...but on second thought, it takes a pretty bold and daring perp to commit both Holly's abduction and the attempted kidnapping that this guy is in jail for...

Oriah
03-16-2012, 09:33 AM
I have been going back to try to review comments from HB's parents and brother since the kidnapping and saw this one tonight which I don't believe I have seen. On other forums that I have been reading, people are beginning to question the whole scenario as to whether there was really a kidnapping. Does anyone remember seeing this interview? Any thoughts?

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story

Bumping Holly's FBI poster.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

and the Memphis field office info.
http://www.fbi.gov/memphis/wanted/@@wanted-fieldoffice?selected-office=memphis

shefner
03-18-2012, 08:26 PM
Who would have ever thought we would be approaching a year without any word of Holly?

Plumeria5
03-18-2012, 08:50 PM
Who would have ever thought we would be approaching a year without any word of Holly?

It is hard to believe that Holly has been gone almost a year. A year of her life that she has missed. Nursing graduation, fun with friends, dates with boyfriends, and holidays that have come and gone.

I have followed the McStay family disappearance and it is incredibly frustrating that people, even whole families, can simply vanish without a trace.

Oriah
03-19-2012, 02:58 PM
It is hard to believe that Holly has been gone almost a year. A year of her life that she has missed. Nursing graduation, fun with friends, dates with boyfriends, and holidays that have come and gone.

I have followed the McStay family disappearance and it is incredibly frustrating that people, even whole families, can simply vanish without a trace.

Thank you Plumeria5, for talking about what Holly has missed.

I can only imagine how Holly's family and friends feel. :(

houndstooth
03-21-2012, 11:24 AM
I have been going back to try to review comments from HB's parents and brother since the kidnapping and saw this one tonight which I don't believe I have seen. On other forums that I have been reading, people are beginning to question the whole scenario as to whether there was really a kidnapping. Does anyone remember seeing this interview? Any thoughts?

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story

Yes, this is the one that gave me pause about the whole thing!

I wish they would have posted the entire interview on their website,
rather then these few edited clips from it.

Wouldn't you think Natasha Chen would have strolled to the window and looked out with the camera as her eyes. To show the folks back home,
the view Clint had as he guided her throught that fateful day?

One has to wonder what got left on the cutting room floor when they chose
to air these snippets.

Plumeria5
03-21-2012, 07:02 PM
Yes, this is the one that gave me pause about the whole thing!

I wish they would have posted the entire interview on their website,
rather then these few edited clips from it.

Wouldn't you think Natasha Chen would have strolled to the window and looked out with the camera as her eyes. To show the folks back home,
the view Clint had as he guided her throught that fateful day?

One has to wonder what got left on the cutting room floor when they chose
to air these snippets.

Houndstooth, you should have been the reporter on this case! She could have reenacted what happened that day unless for some reason someone didn't want that part shown.

deca
03-21-2012, 07:39 PM
If it wasn't a kidnapping, what do you think happened? Curious about your thoughts.

nosyone
03-21-2012, 07:49 PM
If it wasn't a kidnapping, what do you think happened? Curious about your thoughts.

I just don't know WHAT happened! I keep asking myself how someone can just disappear without a trace, but along with Holly, I think about Natalie Holloway, Amy Bradley, etc.. I guess we have all been conditioned by TV that there is always a solution and it happens in an hour and these cases prove that it is definitely not the case. Any thoughts from your end on what happened?

cluciano63
03-21-2012, 09:58 PM
I just don't know WHAT happened! I keep asking myself how someone can just disappear without a trace, but along with Holly, I think about Natalie Holloway, Amy Bradley, etc.. I guess we have all been conditioned by TV that there is always a solution and it happens in an hour and these cases prove that it is definitely not the case. Any thoughts from your end on what happened?

Yet it happens all the time...thousands of people just vanish every year, many never to be seen again. Whether or not this started as a kidnapping, it became one, IMO, as Holly never made contact with anyone again. Even if she HAD gone willingly into the woods, it was never with the intent to be gone forever, IMO. And then there is the blood. That kind of seals it for me, anyway, that this was not voluntary. As far as Natalee...well, the ocean is a very large and unforgiving place, not as surprising there would be no trace.

I don't have the optimism that people will be found and cases will be solved...not to say I don't wish it, of course, but so many are not. Right now, I am waiting with very bated breath about Hailey...a case I have felt strongly about from the start and I've never stopped thinking about her. Certain ones stay with us, or touch us differently, I guess...Hailey is one of mine for one reason, and with Holly, it is partly that and partly the sheer mystery of what/who/how and the tiny bits of info known about her case. Her case seems unlike any other, IMO.

TxLady2
03-22-2012, 10:33 AM
I like to hold out hope that every missing person will be found, but sadly there are so many that never are. They didn't vanish into thin air, something happened to them. The problem is with some, nobody really knows where to look. Sometimes remains are found by accident, but not all of these cases are so easily solved. Sometimes they end up as cold cases and a few are lucky enough that somebody in LE decides to take another look at them decades later and finds a clue that someone else missed, or follows a lead that didn't pan out the first time.
Most people would be surprised to learn that the cold case files in a lot of places far outnumber the current investigations. LE can't perform miracles, they do the best they can with the information they have, but sometimes luck plays a big part in solving cases, and often luck doesn't seem to be on the side of the law.

OldSteve
03-22-2012, 10:50 AM
Thinking about this case.... based on so many other cases I've seen, my gut feeling is that LE has a perp or perps clearly in mind, but are stuck because the perp(s) has been given good alibis by family or friends.

Carla Lashelle
03-22-2012, 03:37 PM
Thinking about this case.... based on so many other cases I've seen, my gut feeling is that LE has a perp or perps clearly in mind, but are stuck because the perp(s) has been given good alibis by family or friends.

I don't buy that for the simple reason we have exactly the same situation here in Florida with a missing woman. Her boyfriend is the ONLY person of interest and prime suspect in her disappearance, yet there is zero evidence linking him to her disappearance. That has not kept law enforcement, the victim's family, etc. from putting his name out there as the suspect. Pressure on him was so great that actually his new g/f cancelled their engagement because of the alleged crime. I can't see law encorcement and/or the family just covering up something and keeping it quiet if they had any real evidence. There are many other cases where LE will put a potential POI or suspect's name out there to get more people to come forward. Keeping it secret makes zero sense to me.

deca
03-22-2012, 06:48 PM
I believe it to be a kidnapping, possibly by an acquaintance but I really don't know.

I guess for the non-kidnapping theories we could have an accident of some sort or some sort of hurting Holly as payback scenario but I think that is pretty far fetched.

Plumeria5
03-23-2012, 01:15 AM
I believe it to be a kidnapping, possibly by an acquaintance but I really don't know.

I guess for the non-kidnapping theories we could have an accident of some sort or some sort of hurting Holly as payback scenario but I think that is pretty far fetched.

Jilted boyfriend or one that wanted to be her boyfriend. That is :moo:

Carla Lashelle
03-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Jilted boyfriend or one that wanted to be her boyfriend. That is :moo:

Myself I think its someone that saw Holly around town. Someone that knew her but she did not know or know well. Anyone closer to her would have been known by her family and friends. There does not seem to be some obvious "jealous ex boyfriend" in the woodwork. Holly and Drew seem to have been together for some while too. I think more likely its someone, perhaps, like a mechanic at her garage, guy at the auto parts store, maintenance man at her school, etc. A person who Holly may have only known, seen, or met casually in a sort of hi/bye/oh thank you type of situation.

Plumeria5
03-23-2012, 01:50 PM
Myself I think its someone that saw Holly around town. Someone that knew her but she did not know or know well. Anyone closer to her would have been known by her family and friends. There does not seem to be some obvious "jealous ex boyfriend" in the woodwork. Holly and Drew seem to have been together for some while too. I think more likely its someone, perhaps, like a mechanic at her garage, guy at the auto parts store, maintenance man at her school, etc. A person who Holly may have only known, seen, or met casually in a sort of hi/bye/oh thank you type of situation.

So wouldn't what you are saying fit my "wanted to be her boyfriend" scenario?

nosyone
03-23-2012, 07:13 PM
I have a "Holly Bobo" alert with Google and received this alert. I have copied the link, but if this isn't allowable, please Madam Moderator, delete if it's not allowed. This is really, really, creepy! This person's "intuition" sounds a little too knowledgeable to me!

http://www.issues.cc/complaints/holly-bobo/holly-bobo-suspect-valhalla

Carla Lashelle
03-23-2012, 07:15 PM
So wouldn't what you are saying fit my "wanted to be her boyfriend" scenario?

Well if you mean in his own head (only) then yeah. But I do not think he ever had any relationship with Holly outside of perhaps a passing hi or thank you or whatever. I don't see the suspect as the stalker type that usually hassles and threatens his victim, as there is no evidence of that. Seemingly no one was bothering Holly to the point that she told her friends of family about anyone. You would think something like that would have come up over the last year if it were true.

Wonless
03-23-2012, 11:26 PM
I have a "Holly Bobo" alert with Google and received this alert. I have copied the link, but if this isn't allowable, please Madam Moderator, delete if it's not allowed. This is really, really, creepy! This person's "intuition" sounds a little too knowledgeable to me!

http://www.issues.cc/complaints/holly-bobo/holly-bobo-suspect-valhalla

Sadly, I really think that Valhalla's post could be a very plausible theory involving HB's disappearance. It certainly fits the known facts in the case..granted not a very tall hurtle, and it also fits in with LE belief that a local was involved, and it fits in with any one of a 100 TV and movie plots that i'm sure we have all seen...
I mean IMO if I where a local this is exactly the type of person I would be asking myself, "who do I know like that gives me that not quite right feeling." Mental Illness is real, and it has symtoms just like every desease..and if people pay attention, they can spot these types of people.

OldSteve
03-24-2012, 12:18 PM
I don't buy that for the simple reason we have exactly the same situation here in Florida with a missing woman. Her boyfriend is the ONLY person of interest and prime suspect in her disappearance, yet there is zero evidence linking him to her disappearance. That has not kept law enforcement, the victim's family, etc. from putting his name out there as the suspect. Pressure on him was so great that actually his new g/f cancelled their engagement because of the alleged crime. I can't see law encorcement and/or the family just covering up something and keeping it quiet if they had any real evidence. There are many other cases where LE will put a potential POI or suspect's name out there to get more people to come forward. Keeping it secret makes zero sense to me.

Respectfully disagree that the two cases are similar situations, but so be it...

I think the case you are referring to is that of Kelly Rothwell which I've followed as well.

FL FL - Kelly Rothwell, 35, Indian Rocks Beach, 12 March 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


There is no one who stands out in Holly's case like Kelly's BF does in her's...

Fishee
03-24-2012, 12:48 PM
When was the bf named as a POI/Suspect?

OldSteve
03-24-2012, 03:00 PM
When was the bf named as a POI/Suspect?

Boyfriend of missing Pinellas police cadet Kelly Rothwell named as suspect

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_south_pinellas/st_petersburg/boyfriend-of-missing-pinellas-police-cadet-kelly-rothwell-named-as-suspect#ixzz1q3vZzPZT

Fishee
03-24-2012, 03:22 PM
Sorry, I thought we were talking about Holly Bobo.

Carla Lashelle
03-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Thats just it Oldsteve... there IS no one in the Holly Bobo case. If LE knew about someone they probably would have made it known. Or the family would have indicated they suspected someone. But with Holly we have heard nothing.

This article assumes she is dead (probably a good assumption but still)...

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/17246740/ark-womans-death-not-connected-to-other-killings

Carla Lashelle
03-24-2012, 05:45 PM
When was the bf named as a POI/Suspect?

No in the local disappearance of Kelly Rothwell her b/f is the only POI and only suspect, yet LE has no real evidence and despite questioning him, he has not been arrested. The lack of evidence has not kept LE from being very public in their statements about his assocaition with Kellys disappearance, however. Its not like they have been silent at all. And, all of Kelly's friends have been vocal about him too.

cluciano63
03-24-2012, 05:51 PM
Thats just it Oldsteve... there IS no one in the Holly Bobo case. If LE knew about someone they probably would have made it known. Or the family would have indicated they suspected someone. But with Holly we have heard nothing.

This article assumes she is dead (probably a good assumption but still)...

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/17246740/ark-womans-death-not-connected-to-other-killings

What a weird article...says Karen's death is not linked to the "death of Holly Bobo"...at least it does until someone changes it...

Carla Lashelle
03-24-2012, 06:46 PM
Yeah a really weird article...