Darin's involvement

[Shamrock]

I believe Darin may have started this whole thing. Now, I don't know that he intended to have anyone killed, but if he did, I believe it was Darlie that he wanted dead. Darin admitted (after Darlie's conviction) that he had spoken with people just three days before the murders about having the house burglarized for the insurance money.

I think that what may have happened is that someone (possibly more than one person) came into the house that night and either intended to burglarize the home for the insurance money OR to harm/kill Darlie because she had asked for a separation that night.

Maybe Darin wanted the home burglarized and Darlie awoke and put up a fight? Maybe Darin knew they were going to do it but didn't know what night it would be done (if he knew, I'm sure he would have preferred Darlie to be upstairs with him in the bedroom where she would be less likely to hear anything)? Or maybe, after she asked for the separation, he became furious and wanted her either harmed or dead.

Thoughts, anyone?

[indallas2]

I believe Darin may have started this whole thing. Now, I don't know that he intended to have anyone killed, but if he did, I believe it was Darlie that he wanted dead. Darin admitted (after Darlie's conviction) that he had spoken with people just three days before the murders about having the house burglarized for the insurance money.

I think that what may have happened is that someone (possibly more than one person) came into the house that night and either intended to burglarize the home for the insurance money OR to harm/kill Darlie because she had asked for a separation that night.

Maybe Darin wanted the home burglarized and Darlie awoke and put up a fight? Maybe Darin knew they were going to do it but didn't know what night it would be done (if he knew, I'm sure he would have preferred Darlie to be upstairs with him in the bedroom where she would be less likely to hear anything)? Or maybe, after she asked for the separation, he became furious and wanted her either harmed or dead.

Thoughts, anyone?


Yup, I've always thought that there was more to this story then what we heard in the media. As for Darin, I think he had something to do with what happened but I'm not sure what. After hearing about the insurance scams that Darin wanted/did do, I thought exactly what you said - maybe it's close to what ACTUALLY happened, I doubt we will ever know the entire truth.

[Jeana (DP)]

Darlie and Darin have always said that they thought Darlie was attacked first. Of course, the evidence doesn't prove this to be true - but it does fit with your theory.

My problem with it is the fact that Darlie's injuries compared to those of the boys don't match. Darlie's got slicing injuries whereas the boys have deep penetrating wounds to their torsos. It just seems to me that whomever killed the boys knew what type of injuries to inflict to get the job done. If Darlie was not only the intended target, but attacked first, why did they not stab her in the chest? Why would they knowingly leave her alive when she hadn't even screamed before they left? Even if she had, if Darin set it up, she could have screamed and he wouldn't have done anything to help her.

[dasgal]

The major problem with this is that this wasn't the first time that the Routiers scammed the insurance company. They had done it once before with the car, and Darlie had to know about it.

It goes to figure she was in full knowledge of the burglary scam. Yet the night of the murders, absolutely nothing was taken. Not even stuff no burglar can walk by without snatching.

Also, as far as the talk of separation, that is said to have taken place after Darin returned from taking Dana home. It would have been late at night by that time. So how could Darin have asked the "burglars" to kill his wife for asking for a separation? If he did, it was three days before she ever actually asked for one.

[dani]

Hello.

I am new to the Darlie board. I have read most of your threads and I saw the Court TV one hour show earlier this week. (That's what drew my interest.)

I have not seen anyone's thoughts on a MOTIVE for this crime. Does anyone know how either Darlie or Darin, or both, could benefit by the death of their two little sons?

I don't have enough info to make a stand for innocent or guilty. But I do remember seeing that *silly string* funeral on the news and thinking, "That woman murdered her babies!" (Just gut feelings.)

I would appreciate being aimed towards any good links you might know of.

Thank you!

[Jeana (DP)]

Dani, I've heard of lots of different reasons why people kill their children, but not once has it been for any sort of "gain." I think the strain of being alone day after day with three little boys, the marital problems, the financial problems, the business failing, broken down car, and the taking of diet pills combined with post partum depression may have been too much on this young woman. I've yet to hear of a good reason for murdering one's children. I don't think anyone can provide one for Darlie either. Unfortunately, it happens all too frequently.

[Usher737]

I wonder if Darin had a large life insurance policy on Darlie. Does anyone know for sure? He could have been looking for someone to kill Darlie instead of a robbery to get out of debt. Especially if he was having an affair or thought she was going to leave him.

Also he could have had a key made for this person to gaurentee entry and told them to make it look like a breakin. He advised to use the back door and that she would probably be on the couch. The dog did not bark because it was a quiete form of entry. He probably did not count on the boys sleeping downstairs and was unsure which night this would happen.

I also I am curious if phone records were ever checked, especially after the murders and Darlie's arrest.

If something like this occured Darin can not give information to free Darlie without incriminating himself.


Another possible scenerio is that these thugs were to rob the house only, but committed murder and sexual assult instead. I read that a pubic hair was found and Darlie's underwear were missing. Could she have been drugged and sexualy assualted?

There is so much evidence that needs to be tested an accounted for. How did Darlie's saliva get on the sock found outside? Can the timeline prove her innocent?

I honestly do know what to think about her guilt or innocence. I do believe in hard, physically evidence and things need to be analyzed more to reach a conculsion.

[Jeana (DP)]

I wonder if Darin had a large life insurance policy on Darlie. Does anyone know for sure? He could have been looking for someone to kill Darlie instead of a robbery to get out of debt. Especially if he was having an affair or thought she was going to leave him.


There was a life insurance policy on both Darlie and Darin, but I don't think it was "large." Darlie was the first one attacked that night. However, her wounds were only superficial. Had the killer wanted her dead, why not just plunge the knife into her heart? There is absolutely no evidence that Darin was having an affair. Since Darlie had no income, no car and no skills, its rather impossible that she was thinking about leaving him for real, although from what I've heard and read about Darlie, she threatened to so quite often.

Also he could have had a key made for this person to gaurentee entry and told them to make it look like a breakin. He advised to use the back door and that she would probably be on the couch. The dog did not bark because it was a quiete form of entry. He probably did not count on the boys sleeping downstairs and was unsure which night this would happen.

Not possible for reasons outlined above.

I also I am curious if phone records were ever checked, especially after the murders and Darlie's arrest.

Yes, the records were checked.

If something like this occured Darin can not give information to free Darlie without incriminating himself.

True.


Another possible scenerio is that these thugs were to rob the house only, but committed murder and sexual assult instead. I read that a pubic hair was found and Darlie's underwear were missing. Could she have been drugged and sexualy assualted?

There was no sexual assault. The only person who said Darlie's panties were missing is Darlie and since nothing else she said that night was the truth, its my opinion and the opinion of many others that she simply took them off and put them into the same basket of dirty laundry that she took the sock out of.


There is so much evidence that needs to be tested an accounted for. How did Darlie's saliva get on the sock found outside? Can the timeline prove her innocent?

Where did you get the impression that there was "saliva" on the sock? There was DNA on the sock, and the experts said (if I'm not mistaken) that it was most likely dead skin cells.

I honestly do know what to think about her guilt or innocence. I do believe in hard, physically evidence and things need to be analyzed more to reach a conculsion.

The FBI and state crime labs - AND experts from Darlie's defense team have all analyzed the evidence and the results all come back to Darlie being the perp.




Welcome Usher. I'm going to reply point by point if you don't mind!!! See above - mine will be in bold.

[Usher737]

Hi Jeana! Thanks for the welcome and the reply.

I did so much reading about this case yesterday. Once I got started I could not stop! I cant find right now where I read that information about the sock. I will keep looking.

The evindence that needs to be tested is those 2 prints: 1 on the door to the garage and 1 on living room table. Also the hairs.

[gemini666]

Hello, everyone; I saw an episode of Forensic Files about this case, but heard nothing else about it here in England.

Since I was led to this site yesterday, I have been reading everything I can!
Where is the evidence of an argument between Darin and Darlie? I am surprised they owned up to having one.
It's so hard to understand how someone could murder their children, but I am sure she did it. It's obvious, isn't it, that you have to take EVERYTHING she says about that night with a pinch of salt...from Darin leaving her downstairs at whatever time, onwards.
You all know so much more than I do, so I will keep trawling through.
Best wishes to you all.

[cami]

I believe Darin may have started this whole thing. Now, I don't know that he intended to have anyone killed, but if he did, I believe it was Darlie that he wanted dead. Darin admitted (after Darlie's conviction) that he had spoken with people just three days before the murders about having the house burglarized for the insurance money.

I think that what may have happened is that someone (possibly more than one person) came into the house that night and either intended to burglarize the home for the insurance money OR to harm/kill Darlie because she had asked for a separation that night.

Maybe Darin wanted the home burglarized and Darlie awoke and put up a fight? Maybe Darin knew they were going to do it but didn't know what night it would be done (if he knew, I'm sure he would have preferred Darlie to be upstairs with him in the bedroom where she would be less likely to hear anything)? Or maybe, after she asked for the separation, he became furious and wanted her either harmed or dead.

Thoughts, anyone?

And the boys? He wanted them dead also? If Darin wanted Darlie dead, she'd be dead. I don't believe Darin's "burglary" story and neither did the appellate judges. If he had arranged to have the house burglarized why didn't he tell someone and offer up the names of the burglars right away before Darlie was arrested. His sons were murdered, not burgled.

The burglary story is suspect. MOO

[Goody]

Hello, everyone; I saw an episode of Forensic Files about this case, but heard nothing else about it here in England.


I am pretty new around here, too, but welcome anyway. I know the case pretty well and so do many others here. So ask away. You can find the court documents and trial transcripts at fordarlieroutier.com. There's another site that has documents, too, but I have forgotten that addy. Maybe someone else here will post it for you. I think it is justicefor darlie or something like that, Happy sleuthing.

[cami]

I am pretty new around here, too, but welcome anyway. I know the case pretty well and so do many others here. So ask away. You can find the court documents and trial transcripts at fordarlieroutier.com. There's another site that has documents, too, but I have forgotten that addy. Maybe someone else here will post it for you. I think it is justicefor darlie or something like that, Happy sleuthing.


www.justicefordarlie.net. It's easier to get around the transcripts at this site. They are all indexed for you.

[Jeana (DP)]

Hello, everyone; I saw an episode of Forensic Files about this case, but heard nothing else about it here in England.

Since I was led to this site yesterday, I have been reading everything I can!
Where is the evidence of an argument between Darin and Darlie? I am surprised they owned up to having one.
It's so hard to understand how someone could murder their children, but I am sure she did it. It's obvious, isn't it, that you have to take EVERYTHING she says about that night with a pinch of salt...from Darin leaving her downstairs at whatever time, onwards.
You all know so much more than I do, so I will keep trawling through.
Best wishes to you all.


Welcome. You'll have to look through the post-trial affidavits and appellate documents filed by Darlie to see Darin's affidavit. Darlie's mother told me that they fought that night and she asked for a "separation." She then lied to all of Darlie's supporters, and anyone else who would listen, and say I was a liar. Low and behold, several years later, Darin signs an affidavit swearing to same. Once the fact that she was the liar, and not me, made another whole group of fence sitters fall off on the "guilty" side. ;)

[messiecake]

I still think Darin cut Darlie's neck .
I also think Darin was having an affair with Dana.
I think Darin planted the sock.


As convincing as Jeana is(:D) about Darlie being the lone muderer
Killer I also think Darin was involved in that too(although by no means do I think Darlie is innocent!)

[sharon25]

how much insurance money, if any, were on these two children? and darlie?
how much is on darin? if there is a substantial difference wouldn't that make him look pretty guilty of involvement as well?

also i think he definitely would've heard those two kids screaming for their life, so i believe he would've came downstairs right away. does this give the intruder, or darlie time to cut herself?

I don't think either darlie or darin would cover up for the other one. what would there be to gain from darin to cover up the fact that he saw her kill them, or knows that she did.

the window could've either been cut earlier and have nothing to do with this case- or she could've had this all planned out and did that earlier.

am i making any sense? or do i need more sleep?

sharon

[sharon25]

I still think Darin cut Darlie's neck .
I also think Darin was having an affair with Dana.
I think Darin planted the sock.


As convincing as Jeana is(:D) about Darlie being the lone muderer
Killer I also think Darin was involved in that too(although by no means do I think Darlie is innocent!)
I was thinking this too, that the slicing of her neck is something that i would picture as someone being behind you and holding the knife to your neck and cutting it, instead of stabbing you while you are standing in front of them.

although i don't see why he would help her cover up the fact that she killed the kids, and i don't see this as being a joint effort. while kill just two of them? what did darlie have to gain by helping her soon to be ex kill them?
darin on the other hand could have motive for killing the two oldest kids and darlie..
the baby is still young enough that darin would have no problem raising that child with his new woman-

sharon

[Dani_T]

also i think he definitely would've heard those two kids screaming for their life, so i believe he would've came downstairs right away. does this give the intruder, or darlie time to cut herself?

It depends if they had a chance to scream or not. They were both supposedly asleep when they were attacked and so it may have been a fairly silent attack.


the window could've either been cut earlier and have nothing to do with this case- or she could've had this all planned out and did that earlier.
Highly doubtful that the screen cut had nothing to do with it. In fact impossible to believe considering it was the entry and exit point. No way did an intruder just happen to stumble across a cut screen.

But, yes she could have cut the screen earlier. I think her sister Dana said she had left the window open that day so presumably she would have noticed a cut screen on the window at that point but it could be that
a) Darlie cut it later that night and before the attacks
b) Dana DID notice the cut screen and maybe that is why she has never testified? Pure speculation and unlikely... but...