View Full Version : Dina Shacknai Sueing County for MS Autopsy Photos
Mrs. Holmes
04-03-2012, 08:46 PM
Here is the news article.
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-dina-shacknai-sues-county-for-sons-autopsy-photos-20120403,0,5372696.story
I can see why she would want a copy of the file. Who knows what will come of it.
Lovejac
04-04-2012, 12:01 AM
Here is the news article.
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-dina-shacknai-sues-county-for-sons-autopsy-photos-20120403,0,5372696.story
I can see why she would want a copy of the file. Who knows what will come of it.
Does she believe her sons death wasn't an accident?
Mrs. Holmes
04-04-2012, 08:45 AM
Does she believe her sons death wasn't an accident?
I wonder if she will sue JS as the homeowner/father because MS died in his house, under his care? Or is this a veiled threat to the Zahau family to back off? Why now? I wonder if DS has been questioned again by the States Attorney's Office? This seems like things are bubbling up behind the scenes.
I still think about the harm that DS and the previous wife came to at the hands of JS, when he was upset about less important issues. What do you think he would do to someone who he believed actually killed his son? DS certainly would know first hand about JS's temper, maybe she believes JS did harm MS and possibly RZ?
Here is the news article.
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-dina-shacknai-sues-county-for-sons-autopsy-photos-20120403,0,5372696.story
I can see why she would want a copy of the file. Who knows what will come of it.
I think family members should be entitled to see anything related to an autopsy or an investigation of a death immediately in a death termed suicide or accidental. There is no reason to keep those secret and it stinks to make them jump through hoops to try and get access. If foul play is expected, I can see holding off on some evidence only the killer would know. If a family member is indicted there would still be access to all discovery by the defense team.
I wonder if she will sue JS as the homeowner/father because MS died in his house, under his care? Or is this a veiled threat to the Zahau family to back off? Why now? I wonder if DS has been questioned again by the States Attorney's Office? This seems like things are bubbling up behind the scenes.
Lots of questions ! :)
Yeah, she may try to sue Jonah - wonder what has been going on there in terms of financial support, her house in Coronado, etc.?
Seems like Nina tried to imply from the beginning that RZ did something, even before she turns up dead. The two of them - late night call, witnesses seeing one or both of them at the house, and so on. The doctor misdiagnosing the problem on top of already having great disdain for RZ. All of that could go to motive. However, Dina appears to have some alibi? Nina, Jonah, and Adam - uhm, no?
I still think about the harm that DS and the previous wife came to at the hands of JS, when he was upset about less important issues. What do you think he would do to someone who he believed actually killed his son? DS certainly would know first hand about JS's temper, maybe she believes JS did harm MS and possibly RZ?
Jonah's behavior was bad, but I think the story with the first wife and second is quite different? It appears that he and Dina both contributed to the storm as far as I have seen. I've said this before, but how could they have been operating in the best interest of a child to let it get that bad and keep it going on. Their physical and psychological abuse storm went on for years. If Jonah did anything to RZ, I have to think he had a lot of influence between Monday and Tuesday late night.
inthedark14
04-04-2012, 01:46 PM
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/justice/coronado-mansion-deaths-focus-now-on-boy-04042012
This is also making news in Arizona...
Money Girl
04-04-2012, 08:01 PM
Wrongful death suit in the future?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/04/mother-boy-killed-in-bizarre-california-mansion-death-sues-for-autopsy-photos/?test=latestnews
Mrs. Holmes
04-05-2012, 10:13 AM
I wonder what Gore will make of this? Seems all the Shacknai's are not happy campers as he would like to think.
a thought...
...... "she saved him, can you save her" ....... this could be a direct response from DS... if at the hospital at any time JS said....with regards to RZ... "she tried to save him".... JS defending RZ and DS response is..... sarcastic... and cruel..... could DS have murdered RZ on her own? I can't see AS helping and the twin sister... maybe..
arielilane
04-15-2012, 03:31 PM
Does she believe her sons death wasn't an accident? The suit is news, however, how DS has felt is not news to people who have followed this case from the start. There are a few posters here whom "know DS" that have posted on this forum and have previously stated that DS did not feel that Max's fall was an "accident".
arielilane
04-15-2012, 03:34 PM
My opinion...the fact remains - evidence that RZ was murdered.
dovebar
05-06-2012, 01:09 AM
I could turn out to be very wrong, but it seems to me the only wrongful death suit possible would be against the surviving Zahau sister. Or would it be possible to sue Rebecca Zahau's estate? But surely she didn't HAVE an estate or any money to recover.
We need an attorney to weigh in.
inthedark14
07-13-2012, 10:00 AM
It appears that Dina has given an interview...
“My first wish is to have him back,” Dina Shacknai told the magazine. “My second wish is to have [Rebecca Zahau] back… to ask her what happened.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/paradise_valley/new-mansion-mystery-death-details-from-mother-of-max-shacknai-boy-who-died-at-coronado-home#ixzz20Vi3B1Eu
IzzyBlanche
07-14-2012, 02:44 AM
Wasn't sure where to post this...no media only thread? :waitasec:
Anyway. Interesting. More at link.
In an interview with Phoenix Magazine, the boy's mother, Dina Shacknai, talked for the first time about her suspicion of Rebecca Zahau and the story Zahau told police about how Max fell.
Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopened as well.
"It's been really hard to be quiet and say nothing," Shacknai told the magazine. "It's still my job to find out what really happened to him."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19024331/coronado
inthedark14
07-16-2012, 03:14 PM
Dina Shacknai held a press conference today to announce the formation of Maxie's H.O.U.S.E. a foundation to support blended families. http://maxieshouse.org/
It was also announced that she conducted a privately funded investigation and that she and her team were not satisfied with the scenario surrounding Max's accident and that they had been in contact with Coronado Police to request a meeting to discuss the findings.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Mom-of-boy-in-Coronado-mansion-death-breaks-silence-162601416.html
inthedark14
07-16-2012, 04:32 PM
The following link shows the press conference video.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later
Mrs. Holmes
07-16-2012, 08:58 PM
Wow... Dina's body language..... does anyone find it odd... there is artwork right next to her that has an image of a naked asian or black woman?
I applaud the efforts of this charity............however it seems more a vehichle to throw suspicion on RZ.
I would love a body language export to read DS..... my first instinct is that she disengenuios and would lie to stay in denial. RZ not to care for MS when there are other members of the Zahau family? The RZ last name thing.... it was because of a married name... as I remember.... the shoplifting is a concern... but DS doesn't mention that anyone else in her family had any kind of record and certainly it would have come to light with all the media scrutiny..... it's like she is casting shadows where there are none...she does mention she never went to the courts with this... I suspect there is NO documentation that would prove DS had these kinds of "restrictions" in place with JS.
A waste up naked photo of her son? Odd.
I find DS very odd. Childlike voice... is she wearing a wig?
It's unkind considering what she has gone through.... I don't mean to be harmful.... but in my experience.... I have never come across a woman quite like this.... educated, but a child voice... childlike mannerisms...
I wonder who she is making eye contact with.....
Her reaction when the reporter asks do you believe there is a murderer out there.. wow..... like she was hit with a shock wave...
This is a woman grieving..... and her scope and perspective is still very narrow.
She never breaks down once... and her lack of a more somber demeanor... considering the topic... she seems like she is gloating...
Considering the violence in her relationship with JS during their marriage... the previous volatile marriage....JS should be the person she would be most concerned about being with her son. We still don't know exactly where JS was that morning.
Anyone else have thoughts and insight after viewing this video? Odd it keeps cutting out... edited?
Karmady
07-16-2012, 09:38 PM
I heard about this case for the first time in a long time on the radio today and the lawyer speaking on DS's behalf was Hallier. I'm assuming that's Angela Hallier. Was she DS's lawyer in her divorce? Idk if she would be handling a civil suit, but I know she is strictly known as 100% divorce -- ruthless, cutthroat high $$ divorce. She's THE go-to pit viper in PV (golddigger central - AZ is a community property state).The "real housewives of PV" practically pass her card around at happy hour(s).
Also, re Dina's demeanor, I'm about 1000% sure I saw her at Walgreens rolled up in a shiny new Mercedes in her tennis outfit. She was talking to another customer and a guy behind the counter. The tone of the conversation was condolences toward her, but she seemed kind of angry and distracted. Not at those people, but just in general. I didn't get a sad vibe, either. I got a po'd and frustrated vibe. Not that that wouldn't be understandable. But this was several months ago and I remember being surprised that she was "at the club" and not more sad in her demeanor, kwim? Definitely weird vibe. And, for the record, I don't know her personally, at all.
Mrs. Holmes
07-16-2012, 09:48 PM
While DS and her lawyer clearly want to shed blame in RZ's direction to very possibly get money from JS....
DS comes across as easily manipulated and in denial. Really glad to have seen and heard her. I can't see this woman murdering anyone.
Who was more violent JS or RZ?
Mrs. Holmes
07-16-2012, 09:50 PM
Interesting how DS and her sister NR decided not to be seen together in this video.
freespeech
07-16-2012, 10:13 PM
My opinion...the fact remains - evidence that RZ was murdered.
Arielilane, I agree. That Max may have been intentionally harmed may provide a motive for why Rebecca was murdered.
If Rebecca was was believed to have caused Max's injury then the motive could be revenge. However, if Rebecca knew who caused his injury then the motive could be to silence her.
Each motive can point to a different potential killer.
During Dina's presser she seemed to indicate she believed Rebecca injured Max when she talked about Rebecca's 'criminal past' and her wish that Max never be alone with Rebecca when she was with another Zahau family member. OK, that doesn't really make sense to me but if she had an agreement with Jonah or even just expressed her concern about it and he did not exercise proper caution then yes I think she would be entitled to sue the socks off him.
However, since Dina has chosen to open this can of worms then Jonah will be forced to prove that he and the other kids were not at the house when Max was injured.
Mrs. Holmes
07-16-2012, 10:29 PM
I wonder how DS can prove she requested that RZ not be alone with MS when another Zahau family member be present?
Maybe she has an email. What could possibly be her reasoning for this? It seems they are grasping at straws.
I would think going after the railing not being safe etc. The use of the scooter on the second floor would be more relevant.
Pointing out the legal name thing? Weak... I know several woman who begin using their maiden name before a divorce is final.
I sure like the idea of knowing exactly where JS was. DS's lawyer is pretty smart... I wonder how well thought out this is? The lawyer does not seem in the least bit confident they will have any luck with the local police re-openiong the death of MS.
freespeech
07-16-2012, 10:48 PM
Wow... Dina's body language..... does anyone find it odd... there is artwork right next to her that has an image of a naked asian or black woman?
I applaud the efforts of this charity............however it seems more a vehichle to throw suspicion on RZ.
I would love a body language export to read DS..... my first instinct is that she disengenuios and would lie to stay in denial. RZ not to care for MS when there are other members of the Zahau family? The RZ last name thing.... it was because of a married name... as I remember.... the shoplifting is a concern... but DS doesn't mention that anyone else in her family had any kind of record and certainly it would have come to light with all the media scrutiny..... it's like she is casting shadows where there are none...she does mention she never went to the courts with this... I suspect there is NO documentation that would prove DS had these kinds of "restrictions" in place with JS.
A waste up naked photo of her son? Odd.
I find DS very odd. Childlike voice... is she wearing a wig?
It's unkind considering what she has gone through.... I don't mean to be harmful.... but in my experience.... I have never come across a woman quite like this.... educated, but a child voice... childlike mannerisms...
I wonder who she is making eye contact with.....
Her reaction when the reporter asks do you believe there is a murderer out there.. wow..... like she was hit with a shock wave...
This is a woman grieving..... and her scope and perspective is still very narrow.
She never breaks down once... and her lack of a more somber demeanor... considering the topic... she seems like she is gloating...
Considering the violence in her relationship with JS during their marriage... the previous volatile marriage....JS should be the person she would be most concerned about being with her son. We still don't know exactly where JS was that morning.
Anyone else have thoughts and insight after viewing this video? Odd it keeps cutting out... edited?
Yes, her demeanor was odd. I can't quite put my finger on how though. You picked up 'gloating.' I saw that too but wasn't really sure.
She seemed overly self conscious at times which gave me the impression that she was playing to the audience. At other times she seemed to have a slightly inappropriate smile almost like a smirk.
I saw incongruence. She seemed slightly concerned or insecure about how she 'looked and came off' but there was also a hint of smug superiority.
I feel petty in pointing all that out though under the circumstances but her demeanor palpably sucked the air out of that room.
Considering her unnatural presentation I suspect the blackouts were due to editing out flubs.
freespeech
07-17-2012, 12:36 PM
While DS and her lawyer clearly want to shed blame in RZ's direction to very possibly get money from JS....
DS comes across as easily manipulated and in denial. Really glad to have seen and heard her. I can't see this woman murdering anyone.
Who was more violent JS or RZ?.
BBM
Mrs. Holmes, I agree with all your assessments of Dina's presser. Though I must admit your insightful observations are disturbing.
I think seeing Dina's lack of confidence and her deferring attitude seems to point to someone else causing harm to Rebecca but who? Though Jonah was violent with his ex-wives I don't see him getting his hands dirty with a messy murder.
There is a poll on this forum that asks for opinions on how Rebecca died. I was undecided but am now leaning toward hired hit possibly with on site supervision. This is a troubling case. The known facts don't add up to the sheriff's conclusion...
4Jacy
07-17-2012, 01:38 PM
Megyn Kelly on Foxx News will have info on this case in a few minutes.
Yes, it is unkind to be saying such things about a woman who has lost her only child tragically while she is announcing a charitable organization for the benefit of other children.
Has MSM made reference to her as POI? Otherwise WS considers her a victim to be treated with some respect.
It’s obvious that she has facial and lip injections and they are masking her true expressions.
So she likes that photo of Max – maybe it was the last one she took of him. They did have a home at the beach after all.
So what if she dies her hair or wears a wig and are all Asian or AA visuals to be banned from the surroundings, come on!
I saw a woman that is still deeply hurting. I saw pleased that she found an active way to honor her son.
If there was an underlying vibe it seemed to be: this will not be swept under the rug.
I find it very interesting that she says she did concede that RZ would be able to care for MS while alone but not in the company of other family members and then says that was the case at that time of the incident……
She had the benefit of knowing RZ personally and is an educated professional so I am not so inclined to throw away her worries as unfounded especially considering the outcome of just the scenario she prohibited to JS.
I don’t blame her in the least for being angry and distracted she no longer has her son, the center of her world, under circumstances that were just as she feared.
Why shouldn’t she be at the club seeing her friends, getting exercise and having meals?
Is she supposed to buy a used beater when she can afford a new expensive car just because she is in mourning?
I’m not wild about the very rich but that is pretty superficial.
It has been a year so even though she didn’t break down her "childlike” ways to me are vulnerability, she’s an open wound with grieving stages askew.
All imo
4Jacy
07-17-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't think Dina will be able to get this case re-opened. Jonas has too much money and is controlling all of this. None of us really know what happened but I find it strange that Jonas' brother lied to his land lord. I definately think RZ was murdered; to think it was a suside is laughable.
Betty P
07-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Interesting press conference. I'm seeing some deception and use of distancing language from DS. She's also making unfounded inferences about RZ, which also indicates she's lying about other things as well. Her jerky eye movements, stiff stance, rapid speech and mumbling are red flags.
She's angry and wants revenge, seems incapable of accepting that this was a tragic accident, one that could have happened regardless of who was watching MS.
I'm picking up on some denial and projection - possibly trying to assuage guilt and rationalize something she's done to harm RZ. By harm, I mean anything from impugning RZ's reputation, insulting her family or other things.
Non-profit organizations are supposed to serve the public good in some form or fashion. So how does funding an investigation into Max's death serve the public? It doesn't.
ETA: Notice how she tenses up during questions and relaxes when someone changes the subject away from Max & RZ? Another sign of dishonesty.
MOO
Betty P
07-17-2012, 06:01 PM
Mother of boy killed in mansion fall claims 'new information'
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/mother-of-boy-killed-in-mansion-fall-has-new-information.html
"Not wanting to go back to the courts, I sat down with Jonah to see what we could do to help me feel more comfortable with having Max ... be around Rebecca," she said, adding she initially asked her ex-husband that he not leave Max alone with Zahau.
If DS was so concerned about Max's safety while in RZ's care, why did it take LE 2 hrs to get hold of her to notify her that Max had been in an accident? Recall, she was sleeping all day and didn't hear her phone ringing.
inthedark14
07-18-2012, 09:52 AM
DS interview with Phoenix Magazine...
Almost a year has passed since Max died in a San Diego hospital bed – reduced to a sobering footnote in the tabloid circus that ensued after the nude, bound body of Rebecca Zahau, his father’s girlfriend, was discovered in the same Coronado mansion where Max suffered a mortal fall two days earlier.
Read more: http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted/
freespeech
07-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Mother of boy killed in mansion fall claims 'new information'
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/mother-of-boy-killed-in-mansion-fall-has-new-information.html
If DS was so concerned about Max's safety while in RZ's care, why did it take LE 2 hrs to get hold of her to notify her that Max had been in an accident? Recall, she was sleeping all day and didn't hear her phone ringing.
Betty P, good point! Dina must have know that Rebecca's sister and Jonah's other kids were in town. I'm surprised she wasn't on the phone with Jonah demanding that Max not be alone with them. She claimed to take issue with that and claimed to have a prior agreement with Jonah about it.
Also, anytime a young kid is away from their mother especially if she is overprotective that mother would always be available by phone and also calling frequently to check up on her child. So what happened here?
All Dina's red flags were up yet she wasn't alert and on duty. Why? I thought that Dina did not get to the hospital until about 3PM almost 5 hours later but I can't find the article now.
Mrs. Holmes
07-19-2012, 03:35 PM
I found the above article...... a PR Piece...... the part about DS being a statuesque woman and how Jonah was so besotted with her.... it is like DS is desperate to reclaim her place as JS's wife...
I find the whole thing odd.... these people are just not adding up.... something is waaaaaay off.
Again let's remember the previous violence in their relationship.... it seems an attempt to change the story line again. It is really creepy this PR method of re-writing history with a new positive story so the horrendous negative past hopefully disappears. It is dishonest and dysfunctional.... bordering on evil.
freespeech
07-19-2012, 05:32 PM
I found the above article...... a PR Piece...... the part about DS being a statuesque woman and how Jonah was so besotted with her.... it is like DS is desperate to reclaim her place as JS's wife...
I find the whole thing odd.... these people are just not adding up.... something is waaaaaay off.
Again let's remember the previous violence in their relationship.... it seems an attempt to change the story line again. It is really creepy this PR method of re-writing history with a new positive story so the horrendous negative past hopefully disappears. It is dishonest and dysfunctional.... bordering on evil.
I agree. It seems that the PR's job was to convince everyone to believe their lies. Who ever challenged discrepancies with questions was assassinated by character destruction. For whatever reason this investigation was botched as the public was told to back off while the family grieved. However, that still left a possible murder go unquestioned.
For some reason this family felt entitled to be exempt from any investigation whatsoever. They immediately assumed a posture of how dare you question us. We are above suspicion and you must accept what we tell you as truth.
They went so far as to threaten anyone who didn't conform to the thoughts they were promoting with law suits. Total propaganda, brainwashing and now rewriting history. Desperate much? Not only blaming Rebecca for her own death but now also trying to blame her for Max's death too. They're trying to look innocent by placing all the blame on a dead woman.
They come off as a very entitled bunch who are outraged that people don't just obey their demands to comply with their wishes. They appear dysfunctional and borderline psychotic as their alternate reality comes into a full force collision with common sense and reality.
Case in point they shamelessly exaggerate Rebecca's criminal past while somehow forgetting the public is aware of their own criminally violent behavior with each other as well as Jonah's past law suits for unethical business practices.
If their PR's job was to win them sympathy then in my opinion they failed miserably.
freespeech
07-19-2012, 05:39 PM
Deleted duplicate post.
Mrs. Holmes
07-20-2012, 09:41 AM
I agree. It seems that the PR's job was to convince everyone to believe their lies. Who ever challenged discrepancies with questions was assassinated by character destruction. For whatever reason this investigation was botched as the public was told to back off while the family grieved. However, that still left a possible murder go unquestioned.
For some reason this family felt entitled to be exempt from any investigation whatsoever. They immediately assumed a posture of how dare you question us. We are above suspicion and you must accept what we tell you as truth.
They went so far as to threaten anyone who didn't conform to the thoughts they were promoting with law suits. Total propaganda, brainwashing and now rewriting history. Desperate much? Not only blaming Rebecca for her own death but now also trying to blame her for Max's death too. They're trying to look innocent by placing all the blame on a dead woman.
They come off as a very entitled bunch who are outraged that people don't just obey their demands to comply with their wishes. They appear dysfunctional and borderline psychotic as their alternate reality comes into a full force collision with common sense and reality.
Case in point they shamelessly exaggerate Rebecca's criminal past while somehow forgetting the public is aware of their own criminally violent behavior with each other as well as Jonah's past law suits for unethical business practices.
If their PR's job was to win them sympathy then in my opinion they failed miserably.
Great Post!
JS's accountants received the LARGEST fine EVER for their unethical behavior regarding his accounts. He was sued by his stockholders and forced to give back millions and millions of dollars to them. The scrapes and bruises on DS after an argument with JS ...... and this family has the nerve to point at RZ.
Outrageous! DS needs to wake up.... your ex-husband, the child's father, was the most DANGEROUS person in your child's life.
Wasn't sure where to post this...no media only thread? :waitasec:
Anyway. Interesting. More at link.
In an interview with Phoenix Magazine, the boy's mother, Dina Shacknai, talked for the first time about her suspicion of Rebecca Zahau and the story Zahau told police about how Max fell.
Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopened as well.
"It's been really hard to be quiet and say nothing," Shacknai told the magazine. "It's still my job to find out what really happened to him."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19024331/coronado
I found this interesting, but I suppose it has already been pointed out.
The mansion's owner, Arizona millionaire Jonah Shacknai, 55, purchased a beachside vacation home last October in Del Mar for $3.3 million under the company Seafare Holdings LLC, according to real estate records.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19024331/coronado
Wow... Dina's body language..... does anyone find it odd... there is artwork right next to her that has an image of a naked asian or black woman?
I applaud the efforts of this charity............however it seems more a vehichle to throw suspicion on RZ.
I would love a body language export to read DS..... my first instinct is that she disingenuous and would lie to stay in denial. RZ not to care for MS when there are other members of the Zahau family? The RZ last name thing.... it was because of a married name... as I remember.... the shoplifting is a concern... but DS doesn't mention that anyone else in her family had any kind of record and certainly it would have come to light with all the media scrutiny..... it's like she is casting shadows where there are none...she does mention she never went to the courts with this... I suspect there is NO documentation that would prove DS had these kinds of "restrictions" in place with JS.
A waste up naked photo of her son? Odd.
I find DS very odd. Childlike voice... is she wearing a wig?
It's unkind considering what she has gone through.... I don't mean to be harmful.... but in my experience.... I have never come across a woman quite like this.... educated, but a child voice... childlike mannerisms...
I wonder who she is making eye contact with.....
Her reaction when the reporter asks do you believe there is a murderer out there.. wow..... like she was hit with a shock wave...
This is a woman grieving..... and her scope and perspective is still very narrow.
She never breaks down once... and her lack of a more somber demeanor... considering the topic... she seems like she is gloating...
Considering the violence in her relationship with JS during their marriage... the previous volatile marriage....JS should be the person she would be most concerned about being with her son. We still don't know exactly where JS was that morning.
Anyone else have thoughts and insight after viewing this video? Odd it keeps cutting out... edited?
The video is choppy for me, so I won't comment much on her demeanor, but also your facial expressions don't look right if you've had plastic surgery and botox - and, yes, that looks like a jet black wig with bangs ala Betty Page. I find the whole thing odd. The pic they chose to display of Max, why? The over glamorized atmosphere (feels like Stepford Wives II) and the whole idea this is about 'blended families' when a volatile and sometimes violent marriage (per the Shacknai/Romano police calls) can devastate children. Jonah and Dina needed to stand up and be responsible for what they created, instead we know they co-released a press announcement that poo-pooed all that.
To me, it's more immoral to carry on this way (for years in their case) than to be guilty of one shoplifting event.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42849140/death-and-the-ceo-spouse-abuse-records-dont-explain-timeline-at-shacknais-house/
She alleged he failed to pull his dog off her when it bit her in 2006, and that he had elbowed her in the chest (http://www.10news.com/news/28591208/detail.html) in 2009. He reported that she tried to choke him while drunk and high on pills, and that Dina once broke his finger. No charges were filed and the couple released a graceful joint statement that said in part:"These police reports are not reflective of the totality or the precise details of the events during a difficult time in our marriage that we worked through together." It's blatantly obvious that Rebecca Zahau was murdered. It's not obvious at all that poor Max's death was anything but an accident nor have I ever heard some big reason that Rebecca should not have been alone with Max.
I guess Dina passed her last exam and cleared up her training experience hours if she is now a PhD? Dr. Dina Shacknai, is a graduate of Argosy University (melmedcenter.com/drshacknai link no longer works)
Dina Shacknai, Psy.D. – Committee members proceeded with a substantive review of Dr. Shacknai’s application. Upon review, the Committee noted that Dr. Shacknai’s Supervised Psychology Internship or Training Experience Verification form from Melmed Centers, indicated, and Dr. Chao verified, that her internship experience occurred from “02/2006 – present” which does not fulfill the requirements of A.R.S. § 32-2071(F)(10). In addition Dr. Shacknai’s Postdoctoral Professional Psychology Experience Verification form, from Melmed Centers indicated, and Dr. Chao verified, that her postdoctoral experience occurred from “02/2006 – present 2010” which does not fulfill the thirty six month completion requirements of A.R.S. § 32-2071(G)(6). In addition, both verification forms indicated that Dr. Shacknai was accruing postdoctoral supervision experience simultaneously with internship supervision hours (02/2006 – present). Pursuant to A.R.S. § 32-2071(G), postdoctoral supervision hours cannot be accrued until after written conferral of the applicant’s graduate degree and completion of internship supervision hours as described by A.R.S. §32-2071(F). It was the consensus of the Committee to issue Dr. Shacknai a RAID letter requesting clarification of the deficiencies.https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:y4AB96sjKBIJ:www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf+dina+shacknai+PhD+degree&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjKfGIu44GrOyN044ec-OhJEqeJn8b-waAOpiVU_894fKDbV4Y_mznBFfdnHGwWtePo0OhuPpsAeCL8sm vmaH-aRykDWv7fn3yR5ShAUCQOg-NDuwj8BvHvqPsabH5vIp4TpMk-&sig=AHIEtbRxpwCIcIM52rhJXPwbdChzSKDZ1w
DS interview with Phoenix Magazine...
Almost a year has passed since Max died in a San Diego hospital bed – reduced to a sobering footnote in the tabloid circus that ensued after the nude, bound body of Rebecca Zahau, his father’s girlfriend, was discovered in the same Coronado mansion where Max suffered a mortal fall two days earlier.
Read more: http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted/
Dina endeavored to turn the Paradise Valley home into a haven of enrichment and fun. She read him poetry from an early age, migrating from Maurice Sendak to Shakespeare to Pablo Neruda. She took him on trips to Italy and New York. http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted/
BBM - :waitasec: is this really what a 5 year old wants to be read?
I found the above article...... a PR Piece...... the part about DS being a statuesque woman and how Jonah was so besotted with her.... it is like DS is desperate to reclaim her place as JS's wife...
I find the whole thing odd.... these people are just not adding up.... something is waaaaaay off.
Again let's remember the previous violence in their relationship.... it seems an attempt to change the story line again. It is really creepy this PR method of re-writing history with a new positive story so the horrendous negative past hopefully disappears. It is dishonest and dysfunctional.... bordering on evil.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Mrs. Holmes
07-23-2012, 05:37 PM
The video is choppy for me, so I won't comment much on her demeanor, but also your facial expressions don't look right if you've had plastic surgery and botox - and, yes, that looks like a jet black wig with bangs ala Betty Page. I find the whole thing odd. The pic they chose to display of Max, why? The over glamorized atmosphere (feels like Stepford Wives II) and the whole idea this is about 'blended families' when a volatile and sometimes violent marriage (per the Shacknai/Romano police calls) can devastate children. Jonah and Dina needed to stand up and be responsible for what they created, instead we know they co-released a press announcement that poo-pooed all that.
To me, it's more immoral to carry on this way (for years in their case) than to be guilty of one shoplifting event.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42849140/death-and-the-ceo-spouse-abuse-records-dont-explain-timeline-at-shacknais-house/
It's blatantly obvious that Rebecca Zahau was murdered. It's not obvious at all that poor Max's death was anything but an accident nor have I ever heard some big reason that Rebecca should not have been alone with Max.
I guess Dina passed her last exam and cleared up her training experience hours if she is now a PhD? Dr. Dina Shacknai, is a graduate of Argosy University (melmedcenter.com/drshacknai link no longer works)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:y4AB96sjKBIJ:www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf+dina+shacknai+PhD+degree&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjKfGIu44GrOyN044ec-OhJEqeJn8b-waAOpiVU_894fKDbV4Y_mznBFfdnHGwWtePo0OhuPpsAeCL8sm vmaH-aRykDWv7fn3yR5ShAUCQOg-NDuwj8BvHvqPsabH5vIp4TpMk-&sig=AHIEtbRxpwCIcIM52rhJXPwbdChzSKDZ1w
Very interesting......a great deal of deception goes on in these peoples lives.... isn't JS sometimes referred to as doctor? In this article he is referred to as a dr.
http://www.coronadonewsca.com/news/article_792a7e1a-b48c-11e0-a5cf-001cc4c002e0.html#user-comment-area
Mrs. Holmes
07-23-2012, 05:57 PM
The other man that was with JS. Dr. HL... I believe that at that time JS was learning about the investigation into the accounting deceptions ... I think this was a big crisis point for JS and Medici right at the time MS had his fall... I belive Dr. HL was in Coronado not for his friend but was already on his way because of the share holder and accounting crisis....
In my mind JS could have been volatile and could have lashed out at his son inadvertently causing the accident...the closing of the gym.... is just too coincidental.... the one place where JS needs an alibi..... very hard to subpoena documents from a business that no longer exists...
I think the JS children and RZ's younger sister have the answers..... we are looking for...unfortuneately the JS children can be easily controlled.....
The PR piece.... made a big point of how JS and RZ regularly go there.... why was that so important.... there are clues in what those PR stories point out..... "look here" "I can explain this" "don't look here".. they say alot when you read between the lines...
Mrs. Holmes
07-23-2012, 06:11 PM
This also seems abnormal to me... this page shows how many jobs are available at Medicis... 40 positions..
http://www.medicis.com/employ/careers_apply_now.asp
Meh ... I'm still iffy on any JS involvement. If he's involved in RZ murder, then I'd have to say the gals had something to do with it.
Apparently, mom not only couldn't be found for a while after the accident but took 12 hours away from the hospital to boot. And, then there are sightings of the twins at the house and late night phone calls. Preexisting rage and hate as far as I can see, toward Rebeccca. Private investigators hired by one or both parties way before this (per verified insider info). Violence in the household for years. None of this had anything to do with who Rebecca was and claiming it was suicide is uber ridiculous, but then again you need to do that in order to justify smearing her name in public at a press conference. Ridiculous also - starting this nonprofit when the problem with the mixed families had to do with a horrendous marriage, divorce, and post-divorce fighting. Who has the most motive? I wonder what kind of dollars are coming the ex Mrs. Shacknai's way via JS, if any?
Leomoon80
07-24-2012, 08:26 PM
Ref"
The video is choppy for me, so I won't comment much on her demeanor, but also your facial expressions don't look right if you've had plastic surgery and botox - and, yes, that looks like a jet black wig with bangs ala Betty Page. I find the whole thing odd.
Did someone say there was a Video on this thread for Dina S?
I found this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/phoenixktvk3tv-15751070/dina-shacknai-launches-non-profit-in-son-s-name-30000845.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fphoenixktvk3tv-15751070%252Fdina-shacknai-launches-non-profit-in-son-s-name-30000845.html
I just don't understand however, WHY she had all these Rules concerning RZ, as though she or her family were dangerous to be left alone with Max, the dead son. Why did she have these rules anyway? Is there anything in RZ's background or her family that she was under such tight control by the bio mother?
Ref"
Did someone say there was a Video on this thread for Dina S?
I found this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/phoenixktvk3tv-15751070/dina-shacknai-launches-non-profit-in-son-s-name-30000845.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fphoenixktvk3tv-15751070%252Fdina-shacknai-launches-non-profit-in-son-s-name-30000845.html
I just don't understand however, WHY she had all these Rules concerning RZ, as though she or her family were dangerous to be left alone with Max, the dead son. Why did she have these rules anyway? Is there anything in RZ's background or her family that she was under such tight control by the bio mother?
There are only two things Dina claimed on the videotape (link is above)
1. RZ had a shoplifting charge - a misdemeanour and fine, attending classes IIRC
2. Dina claims that Rebecca did not give her her real legal name - however, who knows if that is true and Rebecca was in the process of a divorce
I think all this pales in contrast to ongoing documented domestic violence that seems perpetrated by both involved. Makes me wonder what wasn't documented, what was true and what wasn't ... but obviously something bad was going on in their household just to call the police out so many times and claims it went on for at least 3 years of their marriage.
Here's the full video
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later
freespeech
07-27-2012, 01:43 PM
There are only two things Dina claimed on the videotape (link is above)
1. RZ had a shoplifting charge - a misdemeanour and fine, attending classes IIRC
2. Dina claims that Rebecca did not give her her real legal name - however, who knows if that is true and Rebecca was in the process of a divorce
I think all this pales in contrast to ongoing documented domestic violence that seems perpetrated by both involved. Makes me wonder what wasn't documented, what was true and what wasn't ... but obviously something bad was going on in their household just to call the police out so many times and claims it went on for at least 3 years of their marriage.
Here's the full video
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later
Dina must be very out of touch with reality if she does not realize how bad she makes herself look by exaggerating Rebecca's shortcomings. In fact where she is straining for sympathy she only manages to draw negative attention to herself and her severely dysfunctional marriage to Jonah.
Dina seems somewhat delusional in her attempt to control and dominate Jonah. She appears to have not moved on after their divorce and she comes off as jealous, bitter and vindictive.
This is sad because though most people can empathize with her loss and she would benefit from public support. However, her crazy behavior and talk is so off putting that I suspect many such as myself cannot fully identify with the totality of her situation.
Leomoon80
07-27-2012, 06:42 PM
Personally, after watching this video I wondered about the money they are asking people to donate to their cause. I often wonder these days about such causes set up, especially when it's wealthy people, who are doing the asking.
They already have tons of money if they want to open anything and donate their time and/or money to it, and put their child's name onto it.
Many do this all on their own without asking for public donations.
That always makes me a tad bit skeptical these days.
I recall when comedian Gilda Radnor died, her husband put up the money for Gilda's House, but do not recall hearing that Gene Wilder was asking for donations. Perhaps, as I don't live in Hollywood, nor know the folks he knows there were big donors that continued it to be a thriving success over the country too.
Hard to say the whys and wherefors I suppose. We can only hope it's for a good cause and is overseen by auditors.
http://springhousefilms.com/wordpress/tag/gilda-radner/
Dina must be very out of touch with reality if she does not realize how bad she makes herself look by exaggerating Rebecca's shortcomings. In fact where she is straining for sympathy she only manages to draw negative attention to herself and her severely dysfunctional marriage to Jonah.
Dina seems somewhat delusional in her attempt to control and dominate Jonah. She appears to have not moved on after their divorce and she comes off as jealous, bitter and vindictive.
This is sad because though most people can empathize with her loss and she would benefit from public support. However, her crazy behavior and talk is so off putting that I suspect many such as myself cannot fully identify with the totality of her situation.
Yeah, you said it all well.
BBM - now that doesn't speak well to her possibly claiming the domestic abuse was all his fault.
freespeech
07-28-2012, 03:12 AM
Personally, after watching this video I wondered about the money they are asking people to donate to their cause. I often wonder these days about such causes set up, especially when it's wealthy people, who are doing the asking.
They already have tons of money if they want to open anything and donate their time and/or money to it, and put their child's name onto it.
Many do this all on their own without asking for public donations.
That always makes me a tad bit skeptical these days.
I recall when comedian Gilda Radnor died, her husband put up the money for Gilda's House, but do not recall hearing that Gene Wilder was asking for donations. Perhaps, as I don't live in Hollywood, nor know the folks he knows there were big donors that continued it to be a thriving success over the country too.
Hard to say the whys and wherefors I suppose. We can only hope it's for a good cause and is overseen by auditors.
http://springhousefilms.com/wordpress/tag/gilda-radner/
I don't think Dina is wealthy. I seems that Jonah was her main line to that particular lifestyle and the same was true of Rebecca.
Dina was entitled to child support and possibly some alimony at some point
but I would assume she is probably no longer getting that. It seems as though she has not worked since Max's death. I believe that she mentioned being on a leave of absence since then in the Phoenix Magazine article.
I would imagine that her financial resources have dried up since then but who knows. I guess it would depend on how much she received in the divorce settlement.
Anyhow, I don't get the impression that she is wealthy anymore. That might be why she is looking for donations to run Max's House.
Also, if she's out of work she can create a job position for herself, run the organization and pay herself a salary from the donations.
I don't think Dina is wealthy. I seems that Jonah was her main line to that particular lifestyle and the same was true of Rebecca.
Dina was entitled to child support and possibly some alimony at some point
but I would assume she is probably no longer getting that. It seems as though she has not worked since Max's death. I believe that she mentioned being on a leave of absence since then in the Phoenix Magazine article.
I would imagine that her financial resources have dried up since then but who knows. I guess it would depend on how much she received in the divorce settlement.
Anyhow, I don't get the impression that she is wealthy anymore. That might be why she is looking for donations to run Max's House.
Also, if she's out of work she can create a job position for herself, run the organization and pay herself a salary from the donations.
BBM - why does that make me feel kind of queasy given her past circumstances! I think you could be right, she doesn't have a job right now. I suspect Jonah has probably supported her through some transition, but I don't think he would be expected to keep up any maintenance on a home or whatever for her with Max gone.
I suspect the others involved in this charity do have money though and this does keep her connected to that crowd plus allows them to claim they are board members or whatever. I also suspect we may see her trying to sue Jonah sometime in the near future for quite a sum of money since part of what she is claiming is that RZ was not supposed to be left alone with her per their agreement (have we seen that agreement?). I'd expect even filing a lawsuit would result in an offer to settle from JS,m especially since she has now let him know she can and will get publicity.
Is Dina actually licensed as a clinical psychologist in Arizona? Because she isn't listed under either Shacknai or Romano, as active or inactive.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PsySearch.asp?txtSearch=S&licenseTypeId=1
I wonder if she ever met the criteria for licensure? Or is she a graduate who never sat for, or passed boards for her license? Hmmm. Because in order to actually sit for psych licensure boards, one has to apply for approval. The committee then determines if things like a candidate's clinical experience and supervision MEETS criteria, according to the law. And there is a statute:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/32/02071.htm&Title=32&DocType=ARS
If she is unlicensed, that would explain her odd, defensive focus on the classes she took, and the volunteer experiences she had, on her bio on the nonprofit website. No professional at that level continues to highlight how they progressed thru their graduate program and met criteria for graduation. They highlight what they have DONE, what they have PUBLISHED, and what they are DOING in their field.
If she is unlicensed, as it seems she may be, she has very few options for employment AS a clinical psychologist. But there are many other jobs she can hold, and there is nothing compelling someone who graduates from a program to sit for boards. She CAN be the CEO of certain kinds of nonprofits.
And if she is unlicensed, she must be very careful not to use a title that is protected by law. If someone claims to be a health care professional that is protected by title, and they are not, they can face charges for that. As I read between her lines, she is very careful to use her graduate PsyD degree title over and over "Doctor ....", but refrains from using language about her license and clinical practice. That is typically a red flag for someone who is an unlicensed graduate. The title of "Doctor" is conferred by the university (Argosy). The title of licensed psychologist, or behavioral psychologist is conferred by completing and maintaining licensure as a health care professional.
Dina continues to put herself out there for criticism, and if she continues to discuss her "professional career", there may be things that come to light that are not favorable for what she is claiming.
I'd also think that having multiple police reports for domestic violence, WITH A CHILD in the home, as a potential witness to the violence, could make getting a job difficult. What with background checks being mandatory, etc. And malpractice insurance would be difficult with that history.
Somewhat hypocritical to start a nonprofit about child safety in blended families, when she has several police reports naming her in domestic violence altercations with her then- husband.
She has a lot to overcome in her personal life before the professional world will regard her seriously, imo.
Melanie
07-29-2012, 01:23 AM
I personally didn't find anything unusual about the the presser. She lost a precious 6 year old son and held up better than I would have (remembering how I felt a year after my mom died). I bet it was awfully difficult to get through that.
Just my opinion.
Mel
I guess Dina passed her last exam and cleared up her training experience hours if she is now a PhD? Dr. Dina Shacknai, is a graduate of Argosy University (melmedcenter.com/drshacknai link no longer works)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:y4AB96sjKBIJ:www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf+dina+shacknai+PhD+degree&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjKfGIu44GrOyN044ec-OhJEqeJn8b-waAOpiVU_894fKDbV4Y_mznBFfdnHGwWtePo0OhuPpsAeCL8sm vmaH-aRykDWv7fn3yR5ShAUCQOg-NDuwj8BvHvqPsabH5vIp4TpMk-&sig=AHIEtbRxpwCIcIM52rhJXPwbdChzSKDZ1w
Dina Shacknai is not a PhD. She did not attend a university program that confers a PhD. Her degree is a clinical doctorate, a PsyD, from Argosy University (a for-profit university), most likely the Phoenix branch.
Argosy University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I can find no evidence in the public record that she corrected the deficiencies, reapplied, and received approval to sit for her licensure. There is no evidence I can find in public licensure records that she ever was licensed in AZ. No active, or inactive license is listed in either Shacknai or Romano.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PsySearch.asp?txtSearch=S&licenseTypeId=1
freespeech
07-29-2012, 02:36 AM
I actually feel so sorry for Dina. She really seems to be a hot mess all the way around.
She lost her son and now she will need to reinvent herself because she lost her tie to Jonah and his attractive lifestyle.
I read that Jonah has already moved on to a younger, very attractive female. It's sad but he can do that. Money attracts people.
I would want Dina to blame Rebecca less and realize that they were both Jonah's discards as was Kimberly and as the new woman will be when Jonah gets tired of her or she reaches her expiration date. If only Dina had some compassion for Kimberly, Rebecca, herself and any and all women that hope Jonah will care for them for more than his own pleasure seeking.
It's sad but if she learns from her mistakes she can move on and have a good life. She's still young and good looking but her attitude needs to change. I wonder if Maxie's House is her Arizona residence and if she owns it. I read that Jonah owned the Coronado residence where she stayed.
That information could show whether she would benefit from claiming her Arizona residence as a non for profit organization if she has actually really done that. Dina seems to bend the truth to accommodate her needs. Nonetheless, she appears as a mentally unstable and tragic figure in light of her losses and delusions.
katydid23
07-29-2012, 02:54 AM
I personally didn't find anything unusual about the the presser. She lost a precious 6 year old son and held up better than I would have (remembering how I felt a year after my mom died). I bet it was awfully difficult to get through that.
Just my opinion.
Mel
THANK YOU. I am kind of embarrassed about the bashing going on here. This woman is a victim. She lost her 6 yr old precious baby in a horribly tragic accident. Who cares if she was asleep when the call came in? Hasn't anyone else here missed a phone call because they were asleep? Ghheeezzzzz.
Who cares if she and her ex husband used to fight and carry on over his cheating with other women? Nobody else here ever done that. Give her a freakin break.
katydid23
07-29-2012, 02:57 AM
I actually feel so sorry for Dina. She really seems to be a hot mess all the way around.
She lost her son and now she will need to reinvent herself because she lost her tie to Jonah and his attractive lifestyle.
I read that Jonah has already moved on to a younger, very attractive female. It's sad but he can do that. Money attracts people.
I would want Dina to blame Rebecca less and realize that they were both Jonah's discards as was Kimberly and as the new woman will be when Jonah gets tired of her or she reaches her expiration date. If only Dina had some compassion for Kimberly, Rebecca, herself and any and all women that hope Jonah will care for them for more than his own pleasure seeking.
It's sad but if she learns from her mistakes she can move on and have a good life. She's still young and good looking but her attitude needs to change. I wonder if Maxie's House is her Arizona residence and if she owns it. I read that Jonah owned the Coronado residence where she stayed.
That information could show whether she would benefit from claiming her Arizona residence as a non for profit organization if she has actually really done that. Dina seems to bend the truth to accommodate her needs. Nonetheless, she appears as a mentally unstable and tragic figure in light of her losses and delusions.
I would have a really hard time NOT blaming the woman who was supposed to be watching my child if he fell to his death, and I thought she was negligent or worse. Especially if she had also stolen my husband. I really cannot blame her for being bitter. There is no excuse for what happened to that little boy. Something is really hinky, imo.
katydid23
07-29-2012, 02:59 AM
Dina Shacknai is not a PhD. She did not attend a university program that confers a PhD. Her degree is a clinical doctorate, a PsyD, from Argosy University (a for-profit university), most likely the Phoenix branch.
Argosy University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argosy_University)
I can find no evidence in the public record that she corrected the deficiencies, reapplied, and received approval to sit for her licensure. There is no evidence I can find in public licensure records that she ever was licensed in AZ. No active, or inactive license is listed in either Shacknai or Romano.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PsySearch.asp?txtSearch=S&licenseTypeId=1
And? What does that mean ? Does that mean she is not a victim in this victim friendly forum? She lost her baby in a horrid, negligent fashion. I think she deserves some sympathy and some respect.
freespeech
07-29-2012, 04:57 AM
I would have a really hard time NOT blaming the woman who was supposed to be watching my child if he fell to his death, and I thought she was negligent or worse. Especially if she had also stolen my husband. I really cannot blame her for being bitter. There is no excuse for what happened to that little boy. Something is really hinky, imo.
Now wait a minute here. Didn't Dina steal Jonah away from Kimberly when Kim was still married to and living with Jonah and carrying his child? Let's not get all delusional and crazy about this. OK. Dina made Kim a victim the same way she became one because of Rebecca. You know, what goes around comes around. Dina needs to let it go and stop blaming Rebecca. Dina wasn't married to Rebecca. She was married to Jonah and he was the one who betrayed her over and over again. Where was Jonah when Max fell???
Stop blaming Rebecca. It's useless to do so. She and her family have suffered enough already for the mistake she made with Jonah. Let it go and seek the real truth. Where was Jonah when Max fell???
No one has produced any proof anywhere that Jonah was not in the house when Max fell INCLUDING law enforcement and Jonah has publicly proved himself a liar when he lied about the sale of the house and denied Rebecca's family the chance to examine the alleged "suicide room."
Stop blaming Rebecca for everything...her murder and Max's death. It's time that Dina and Jonah assume some responsibility for this sad mess and stop playing the victims that they are not. Max and Rebecca are dead. Dina and Jonah are alive. They share responsibility in what happened. PROPERLY INVESTIGATE BOTH DEATHS TO REVEAL THE TRUTH!!!
freespeech
07-29-2012, 05:06 AM
Duplicate post
katydid23
07-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Now wait a minute here. Didn't Dina steal Jonah away from Kimberly when Kim was still married to and living with Jonah and carrying his child? Let's not get all delusional and crazy about this. OK. Dina made Kim a victim the same way she became one because of Rebecca. You know, what goes around comes around. Dina needs to let it go and stop blaming Rebecca. Dina wasn't married to Rebecca. She was married to Jonah and he was the one who betrayed her over and over again. Where was Jonah when Max fell???
Stop blaming Rebecca. It's useless to do so. She and her family have suffered enough already for the mistake she made with Jonah. Let it go and seek the real truth. Where was Jonah when Max fell???
No one has produced any proof anywhere that Jonah was not in the house when Max fell INCLUDING law enforcement and Jonah has publicly proved himself a liar when he lied about the sale of the house and denied Rebecca's family the chance to examine the alleged "suicide room."
Stop blaming Rebecca for everything...her murder and Max's death. It's time that Dina and Jonah assume some responsibility for this sad mess and stop playing the victims that they are not. Max and Rebecca are dead. Dina and Jonah are alive. They share responsibility in what happened. PROPERLY INVESTIGATE BOTH DEATHS TO REVEAL THE TRUTH!!!
So when the ambulance arrived, Jonah was hiding somewhere? If Jonah had been there I think we would know that by now.
Max died under Rebecca's watch. <modsnip>. You say that Dina should just 'get over it?' Maybe the same thing can be said about Rebecca's family then.
Salem
07-29-2012, 01:03 PM
Please don't bicker. It appears everyone has valid points. Please read them carefully and respond to the point being made - not the one you thought you read......
Salem
And? What does that mean ? Does that mean she is not a victim in this victim friendly forum? She lost her baby in a horrid, negligent fashion. I think she deserves some sympathy and some respect.
Of course Dina deserves our sympathy for the loss of her only son in a horrible accident. There is no official evidence of negligence-- that is your opinion of the events. She is a grieving mother-- that is without question.
However, like other family members of dead and murdered victims, she has chosen to be visible in the media. And just as people such as George and Cindy Anthony deserve our sympathy for the horrible loss and murder of their granddaughter, their OTHER public actions are open to scrutiny. Dina has chosen to say a number of things about her career and her education that are only barely ethical and accurate. She has chosen to highlight what she believes are her professional accomplishments in order to present herself as an authoritative professional. That is fair game to question.
Dr. Shacknai earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration from San Francisco State University and a Doctoral degree in Clinical Psychology from Argosy University in Phoenix. A native of San Francisco, she worked in computer networking and medical sales prior to her move to the Phoenix area thirteen years ago.
While volunteering at the Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center (SARRC), Dr. Shacknai organized and coordinated numerous successful projects. She was the volunteer Director of the SARRC Therapeutic Camp for Children with Autism and their families located at Whispering Hope Ranch (WHR). She was responsible for developing and writing the curricula as well as managing and facilitating the day-to-day operations of this program for two years, after which time SARRC and WHR hired a full-time Director. This unique volunteer opportunity served as a catalyst for Dr. Shacknai, as she realized her passion was inextricably tied to working with children. She subsequently returned to graduate school to pursue her doctorate in Clinical Psychology, with an emphasis in Developmental Psychology, completing two clinical rotations, a doctoral dissertation, and a requisite APA approved internship.
Dr. Shacknai has years of specialized experience working with children and their families, and has worked extensively at the distinguished Melmed Center in Arizona, conducting evaluations, providing treatment for children and adolescents, writing curricula, and facilitating social skills groups for children with developmental disabilities.
Maxie's untimely death unfortunately necessitated an indefinite leave of absence from Dr. Shacknai's established professional practice.
http://maxieshouse.org/about.php#dina
The real truth is that there is no evidence that Dina ever achieved approval to take her professional licensure boards. In fact, there is a document that clearly indicates that as of December 2010, just 7 months before Maxie's tragic death, she was directed by the board to repsond in writing as to why her clinical experiences did not meet AZ state statute requirements for approval to sit for boards. In fact, she tried to use one volunteer experience to also meet POST-doc requirements for supervised experience, as well as using the SAME clinical experience to meet pre-graduation requirements. And the psychologist who VERIFIED her experiences at Melmed, also confirms this to the licensure approval committee. The fact is, she did not meet requirements in Dec 2010, and was not approved to sit for boards.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf
Now, a prudent candidate would take that to heart and actively seek to repair discrepancies, so that they could be eligible as soon as possible. And if a candidate actually thought that the clinical experiences MET board requirements, and the school approved them, and then found out the experiences DID NOT meet approval, I'd think the student/ graduate would be filing all sorts of grievances and suits against the school for fraudulently leading the student to believe they were meeting requirements.
We know that Dina left AZ to spend the summer in Coronado, just a few months after the board declined to approve her application to sit for licensure. The clinical facility she used on her application is in Scottsdale, AZ. Pretty hard to rack up hours of clinical experience, and supervisory hours, when you are out of state.
http://www.melmedcenter.com/
Janet Chao is the psychologist Dina reported to the board as supervising her clinical experience. Dr. Chao's bio on the Melmed Center website clearly states she is accustomed to supervising students, so I'm sure she is aware of the requirements for clinical experience, as well as the timeframe those have to be accomplished in. I'm sure she is accustomed to filing out reports for the AZ licensing committee, too. So, you have to scratch your head and ask "why" would Dina's experiences there not meet the state licensing board requirements? Why would her mentor write a report to the board that she surely KNEW did not meet statutory requirements??
Dina has stated publicly that she is on a "leave of absence". She has refrained from saying WHERE she is on a leave of absence FROM. It is highly unlikely that she was in a paid position at Melmed. Whatever her position was there, volunteer, or organized clinical experience, the board made it clear that no one can count pre-graduation experience concurrently with POST-doc supervisory requirements. That makes me laugh even thinking about it-- here-- count one experience a bunch of different ways. Do we as the public really want health care professionals fudging their clinical requirements? The board's job is to VERIFY the experiences of applicants against statutory requirements. Dina did not meet requirements. They treated her the same as they would any other applicant, from what I see.
Perhaps that is why Dina has an ax to grind on her website bio about all of her "experience" and how she "met all requirements" for awarding her degree. She is pissed, imo, that the board dared to question her.
Dina's nonprofit strokes her own ego and vindictiveness on a number of levels. She can't get a job as a licensed psychologist if she isn't licensed, but she CAN be the paid CEO of her own nonprofit. She probably needs some kind of income-- I doubt Jonah will support her forever. There are other jobs she can get, as well-- she is not required to sit for her license now, or anytime in the future. However, she is on VERY thin ice trying to market and groom her rather non-existent credentials as a professional psychologist. She must be VERY careful not to use any title that is protected by licensure laws.
All of this behavior that Dina has put out to the public, combined with public records such as licensure records, says to me Dina is not really aspiring to be the professional she wants everyone to think she is. Her self-proclaimed experiences are all volunteer (and student clinical) experiences at The Whispering Hope charity, SARRC, and Melmed. That is not really a robust professional vitae. And it is definitely fair game to criticize, since Dina opened the conversation by giving interviews, a press conference, and posting on her website. None of any of this has anything to do with the compassion most people feel toward the family members of children who have died tragically. But starting a nonprofit as a vindictive act to bash your ex-husband and his girlfriend, and misrepresenting your own professional credentials is definitely fair game for criticism. And praise, if worthy of such. Dina is not beyond ALL criticism simply because she is also a grieving mother.
If, as she continues to proclaim publicly, she wants to be tasken seriously as a professional, then she needs to DO what professionals do. Starting with obtaining the required clinical experience to sit for boards, and get her license. Then WORK in the field-- at a real job.
Those of us who are REAL licensed professionals can see right through her BS. She went to Argosy and was graduated (presumably). She is unlicensed, according to state records. That is where her professional credentials end, and it is unethical and fraudulent for her to continue to present herself as any kind of practicing professional, now or in the past. There is no public evidence that she has ever worked as a psychologist-- and in fact, would not be able to do so. (Unless hired into a government position-- occasionally some entities such as prisons, and other federally funded health care entities will hire unlicensed individuals into management positions, or such.)
I hope Maxie's House accomplishes something worthy for someone beyond Dina. But I have serious doubts. I don't think Maxie's House has much at all to so with Maxie-- it is exploitative of his name and memory, and very hypocritical, given her OWN history of domestic violence reports. And that is my opinion.
jjenny
07-29-2012, 03:42 PM
I would have a really hard time NOT blaming the woman who was supposed to be watching my child if he fell to his death, and I thought she was negligent or worse. Especially if she had also stolen my husband. I really cannot blame her for being bitter. There is no excuse for what happened to that little boy. Something is really hinky, imo.
There is such a thing as an accident. If child was running and fell there might have been nothing anyone could have done, even if everybody else was in the house.
Update- August 2011-- This indicates Dina was approved to sit for her boards.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn46.pdf
Still cannot find any evidence that she actually followed through, took boards, passed, and was licensed.
If someone else finds it, please post.
katydid23
07-29-2012, 10:50 PM
There is such a thing as an accident. If child was running and fell there might have been nothing anyone could have done, even if everybody else was in the house.
The circumstances of that fall seem more than just a simple accident. A child does not land on a chandelier and pull it from the ceiling just with a simple fall. JMO
freespeech
07-30-2012, 01:33 AM
The circumstances of that fall seem more than just a simple accident. A child does not land on a chandelier and pull it from the ceiling just with a simple fall. JMO
BBM
This is what frustrates me.
Why was Jonah in such a hurry to remodel and unload the house and why didn't he let the Zahau family investigate the premises?
If he or Dina question how that chandelier came down... and who wouldn't then they certainly had the access and ability to make that discovery but they did not do that...did they? I believe I read that they immediately discarded the chandelier rather than investigate how it fell. I wonder why?
You, I and most people would have definitely looked into that...no? To be honest I would have no idea how that huge fixture could fall. I doubt that Max or Rebecca together could pull it down but down it came. The police investigators should have discovered this. If not them then the parents.
If Jonah could hire PR and lawyers and get rid of all the evidence in an effort to protect himself then he could have also spent a minute or two trying to figure out how the chandelier came down. The same with Dina. If she had the energy to bash and accuse Rebecca then she should have sublimated some that rage to discover how Max's accident happened while the mansion was still intact. JMO.
ATasteOfHoney
07-30-2012, 01:52 AM
Of course Dina deserves our sympathy for the loss of her only son in a horrible accident. There is no official evidence of negligence-- that is your opinion of the events. She is a grieving mother-- that is without question.
However, like other family members of dead and murdered victims, she has chosen to be visible in the media. And just as people such as George and Cindy Anthony deserve our sympathy for the horrible loss and murder of their granddaughter, their OTHER public actions are open to scrutiny. Dina has chosen to say a number of things about her career and her education that are only barely ethical and accurate. She has chosen to highlight what she believes are her professional accomplishments in order to present herself as an authoritative professional. That is fair game to question.
http://maxieshouse.org/about.php#dina
The real truth is that there is no evidence that Dina ever achieved approval to take her professional licensure boards. In fact, there is a document that clearly indicates that as of December 2010, just 7 months before Maxie's tragic death, she was directed by the board to repsond in writing as to why her clinical experiences did not meet AZ state statute requirements for approval to sit for boards. In fact, she tried to use one volunteer experience to also meet POST-doc requirements for supervised experience, as well as using the SAME clinical experience to meet pre-graduation requirements. And the psychologist who VERIFIED her experiences at Melmed, also confirms this to the licensure approval committee. The fact is, she did not meet requirements in Dec 2010, and was not approved to sit for boards.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf
Now, a prudent candidate would take that to heart and actively seek to repair discrepancies, so that they could be eligible as soon as possible. And if a candidate actually thought that the clinical experiences MET board requirements, and the school approved them, and then found out the experiences DID NOT meet approval, I'd think the student/ graduate would be filing all sorts of grievances and suits against the school for fraudulently leading the student to believe they were meeting requirements.
We know that Dina left AZ to spend the summer in Coronado, just a few months after the board declined to approve her application to sit for licensure. The clinical facility she used on her application is in Scottsdale, AZ. Pretty hard to rack up hours of clinical experience, and supervisory hours, when you are out of state.
http://www.melmedcenter.com/
Janet Chao is the psychologist Dina reported to the board as supervising her clinical experience. Dr. Chao's bio on the Melmed Center website clearly states she is accustomed to supervising students, so I'm sure she is aware of the requirements for clinical experience, as well as the timeframe those have to be accomplished in. I'm sure she is accustomed to filing out reports for the AZ licensing committee, too. So, you have to scratch your head and ask "why" would Dina's experiences there not meet the state licensing board requirements? Why would her mentor write a report to the board that she surely KNEW did not meet statutory requirements??
Dina has stated publicly that she is on a "leave of absence". She has refrained from saying WHERE she is on a leave of absence FROM. It is highly unlikely that she was in a paid position at Melmed. Whatever her position was there, volunteer, or organized clinical experience, the board made it clear that no one can count pre-graduation experience concurrently with POST-doc supervisory requirements. That makes me laugh even thinking about it-- here-- count one experience a bunch of different ways. Do we as the public really want health care professionals fudging their clinical requirements? The board's job is to VERIFY the experiences of applicants against statutory requirements. Dina did not meet requirements. They treated her the same as they would any other applicant, from what I see.
Perhaps that is why Dina has an ax to grind on her website bio about all of her "experience" and how she "met all requirements" for awarding her degree. She is pissed, imo, that the board dared to question her.
Dina's nonprofit strokes her own ego and vindictiveness on a number of levels. She can't get a job as a licensed psychologist if she isn't licensed, but she CAN be the paid CEO of her own nonprofit. She probably needs some kind of income-- I doubt Jonah will support her forever. There are other jobs she can get, as well-- she is not required to sit for her license now, or anytime in the future. However, she is on VERY thin ice trying to market and groom her rather non-existent credentials as a professional psychologist. She must be VERY careful not to use any title that is protected by licensure laws.
All of this behavior that Dina has put out to the public, combined with public records such as licensure records, says to me Dina is not really aspiring to be the professional she wants everyone to think she is. Her self-proclaimed experiences are all volunteer (and student clinical) experiences at The Whispering Hope charity, SARRC, and Melmed. That is not really a robust professional vitae. And it is definitely fair game to criticize, since Dina opened the conversation by giving interviews, a press conference, and posting on her website. None of any of this has anything to do with the compassion most people feel toward the family members of children who have died tragically. But starting a nonprofit as a vindictive act to bash your ex-husband and his girlfriend, and misrepresenting your own professional credentials is definitely fair game for criticism. And praise, if worthy of such. Dina is not beyond ALL criticism simply because she is also a grieving mother.
If, as she continues to proclaim publicly, she wants to be tasken seriously as a professional, then she needs to DO what professionals do. Starting with obtaining the required clinical experience to sit for boards, and get her license. Then WORK in the field-- at a real job.
Those of us who are REAL licensed professionals can see right through her BS. She went to Argosy and was graduated (presumably). She is unlicensed, according to state records. That is where her professional credentials end, and it is unethical and fraudulent for her to continue to present herself as any kind of practicing professional, now or in the past. There is no public evidence that she has ever worked as a psychologist-- and in fact, would not be able to do so. (Unless hired into a government position-- occasionally some entities such as prisons, and other federally funded health care entities will hire unlicensed individuals into management positions, or such.)
I hope Maxie's House accomplishes something worthy for someone beyond Dina. But I have serious doubts. I don't think Maxie's House has much at all to so with Maxie-- it is exploitative of his name and memory, and very hypocritical, given her OWN history of domestic violence reports. And that is my opinion.
I couldn't agree more. It is highly unusual for someone to get their Bachelor's in Business Admin and be accepted into a grad school to be a PsyD. To try to get accepted into an on-site PhD Psychology program would have been virtually impossible for her. Therefore, she had the money to try to "buy" a lesser degree and go the route she did but still came up short....no license to practice!
Dina Shacknai is not a PhD. She did not attend a university program that confers a PhD. Her degree is a clinical doctorate, a PsyD, from Argosy University (a for-profit university), most likely the Phoenix branch.
Argosy University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argosy_University)
I can find no evidence in the public record that she corrected the deficiencies, reapplied, and received approval to sit for her licensure. There is no evidence I can find in public licensure records that she ever was licensed in AZ. No active, or inactive license is listed in either Shacknai or Romano.
http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PsySearch.asp?txtSearch=S&licenseTypeId=1
Thank you KZ - I figured she didn't go to another U to get a PhD. I guess they either led on the media or just didn't correct it. Per the license, interesting. I knew at one point she failed an exam and, maybe, she was scheduled for another, but I lost track. I wonder if all this has to do with why she isn't working at Melmed anymore.
And? What does that mean ? Does that mean she is not a victim in this victim friendly forum? She lost her baby in a horrid, negligent fashion. I think she deserves some sympathy and some respect.
Where is your proof this was preventable and negligent? This forum is about RZ. The problem here is that it is very believable that Max's death was the result of an unfortunate accident. It is not at all believable that a woman committed suicide while naked, possibly on her period, with hands and feet bound with intricate knots then hopped to the balcony and flung herself over.
I'll say t his again, because I know I read all the articles before and others probably did too. Max was 6 years old when he died. The abuse int he Shacknai household went on for at least 3 years. That domestic abuse is documented in police records as being pretty horrible and included a lot of severe emotional abuse and physical injuries on both sides including a broken finger and dog bites. I looked at all of that for a long time and could only come to the conclusion that they were both promoting the domestic violence and kept repeating it. That means Max spent at least half his life in a chaotic home with a lot of animosity being flung around. I don't see that as two parents whose main objective is to care for their child or put them first. Any child psychologist would tell you this is traumatic for a child and not a good environment.
freespeech
07-30-2012, 02:07 PM
I'll say t his again, because I know I read all the articles before and others probably did too. Max was 6 years old when he died. The abuse int he Shacknai household went on for at least 3 years. That domestic abuse is documented in police records as being pretty horrible and included a lot of severe emotional abuse and physical injuries on both sides including a broken finger and dog bites. I looked at all of that for a long time and could only come to the conclusion that they were both promoting the domestic violence and kept repeating it. That means Max spent at least half his life in a chaotic home with a lot of animosity being flung around. I don't see that as two parents whose main objective is to care for their child or put them first. Any child psychologist would tell you this is traumatic for a child and not a good environment.
BBM
Thank you for saying the above. One of the most precious gifts two parents can give a child is to model loving and respectful relationships especially with each other. This can set the tone for a happy family.
However, when one or both parents are out of control then you know that the children in that environment will be miserable and insecure. I can see how Max could have been unhappy with the tension and periodic bursts of hatred between his parents. Couple that with the broken home, having to incorporated previous and current parental partners and half siblings and at least one parent with drug and alcohol addictions as well as both parents with probable narcissistic disorders and you have a very volatile environment devoid of any compassion for the child.
All the candy bars and parties in "all the universes" can't make up for that.
Of course Max loved his Mom the best. All children do but is it any wonder that Max would probably find relief with calmer more stable persons like Rebecca, Nina or even grandma Romano. Thanks to God children are very resilient and can survive much upheaval.
I don't see Dina's name on the new Melmed site. I'm sure all the publicity about the murder and Dina's history of domestic violence was not good for their reputation. Looks like they washed her out of the system because she was not mentioned under professional staff. If she was on a leave of absence and planned to return she would still be on the roster...no?
This whole thing is so outrageous because Rebecca has been blamed not only for her own murder but now Dina is bashing her as a home wrecker with a criminal record and also insinuating that Rebecca was at fault for Max's death.
The more Dina speaks the more negative attention she draws to herself. Jonah is the smart one. He's so silent you hardly know that he really exists. He's probably hoping that if he's as quiet as a mouse this whole thing will simply evaporate into thin air like his alleged early morning 'suicide trigger' call to Rebecca did.
Just to put some facts on this all - here is part of the timeline, this (and there was more) came from the HM, but it no longer exists.
July 11th – Max is transferred from Sharp Coronado emergency dept to Rady Children’s pediatric intensive care unit. – police attempt to locate Dina Shacknai (Max’s mom) and eventually find her. Dina arrives at Rady’s Hospital at 2:00 PM.
– Xena apparently cuts herself trying to help clean up the shattered glass from the chandelier. A police officer drivers Xena and Rebecca to a local urgent care to have 4 stitches in her leg.
– at some point in the afternoon Rebecca picks up Dina’s twin sister Nina from the airport.
– Howard Luber Jonah’s friend from PV Arizona also arrives some time on Monday.
July 12th – Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog, said Zahau called the Coronado kennel last Monday, shortly after the boy’s fall, to ask that someone pick up her 14 month-old Weimaraner, Ocean. She said her child was hospitalized after an injury.
– at 1:55 AM Jonah attempts to stay at the Ronald McDonald House but it is full. He stays at a nearby hotel instead, the Homestead Inn. July 12th – Jonah returns to the hospital at approx 5:30-6:00 AM.
– around 8:00 AM Dina leaves the hospital. She goes back home and spends about 12 hours resting.
– approx 6:00 PM Adam and Rebecca pick up Jonah and Howard from the hospital. They drop Howard off at the airport. Jonah, Rebecca and Adam then get some dinner.
– Dina returns to the hospital between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**
- After dinner Jonah returns to the hospital at about 8:00 PM. Dina is still there.
- at approx 8:00 PM Rebecca and Adam return home to Coronado mansion.
– text message in from Nina @ 10:41 PM asking if she can drop by to talk about “what happened” to Max. Rebecca never responds.
– 11:30 PM anonymous “sources” claim to hear someone scream “help” from or near the mansion.
(I believe there is more that could be added here now with witnesses see a woman at the door, who looked like Dina?)
July 13 – 12:30 AM Jonah claims he sent a voicemail message to Rebecca stating that Max’s condition was grave and his death was imminent.
– 12:50 AM allegedly Rebecca retrieves the voicemail message and deletes it. [there is no proof that Rebecca herself retrieved and deleted the voicemail]
– at about 1:00 AM Jonah goes to the Ronald McDonald House.
– Adam Shacknai said he awoke at approx 6:30 AM and made his way to the main house. He saw Rebecca hanging, ran to the kitchen to find a knife, pulled a table underneath her and cut her down. He claims the shirt was covering her mouth so he removed it in order to try to perform CPR as instructed to do by the 911 dispatch (told him to take the gag out of her mouth).
– 6:48 AM 911 is called. Adam stating he found Rebecca and was attempting CPR.
- at about 6:48 AM Jonah claims he received a text message from Adam advising Rebecca had hung herself.
– Coronado Police Dept are the first to respond. Unable to locate a pulse they began CPR. Coronado Fire Dept arrived at 6:54 AM Rebecca was cold to the touch and rigor mortis was present in her jaw. They pronounced Rebecca deceased. They quickly decide they do not have the resources to deal with a homicide and call in San Diego County to help. The ME is called at 8:09 AM. SDSO arrives at approx 9:20 AM.
– at about 7:00 AM Dina who was at Max’s bedside received a call from Jonah telling her Rebecca had killed herself.
– Jonah returns to the hospital at approx 7:00 AM. J
– Jonah calls Rebecca’s sister Mary, but reaches her husband Doug instead. Jonah informs him that Rebecca has killed herself. July 13th – Adam Shacknai is interviewed by Detectives Lebitski and Hillen.
– Attorney Paul Pfingst shows up at the mansion, won’t say who he’s representing, but does say it’s not Jonah.
– Later Adam is given a polygraph examination by Paul Redden. Redden says he couldn’t draw a conclusion. He recommends that Adam be given a 2nd test but was never asked by SDSO to do the follow up.
– Special Agents Resendiz and Burtis from the DOJ interview Dina. She tells the agents she left Rady Hospital on the 12th at about 8:00 AM and returned at 8:00 PM. July 13th – Jonah Shacknai is interviewed by Detectives Norton and Palmer.
– at 7:15 PM 13 hours after Rebecca’s body is discovered the ME finally arrives. They determine Rebecca’s death to be somewhere between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM.
July 15th – Jonah Shacknai is re-interviewed by Detective Norton. He tells them he left the hospital on the 12th at about 6:00 PM and that Dina had returned to the hospital around 6:00 PM.
July 21st – Jonah hires L.A. PR company Sitrick & Co. July 23rd
Aug 15th – LE states they power Rebecca’s cell phone on for the first time (however there are data transfers on dates prior to this date).
Aug 24th – LE requests permission, receives and executes search warrants for cell phone records for two phones owned by Jonah Shacknai. It assumed they belong to Dina and Jonah. LE receives these records the same day.
Aug 31st – LE conducts first and only interview with Rebecca’s sister, Mary.
Sept 2nd – LE conducts press conference. They declare Rebecca’s death a suicide and the case closed. Max’s death is declared an accident.
Sept 5th – Dr. Cyril Wecht, pathologist, and expert consulting with the family attorney Anne Bremner, says ‘a number of factors in the autopsy ruling do not add up’. He strongly questions the 4 subgaleal hemorrhages to the scalp, saying in his opinion they are evidence of blunt force trauma, therefore there was a struggle. He would classify the manner of death as “undetermined”.
Sept 6th – Jonah’s attorney Dan K. Webb sends a “cease and desist” letter to Anne Bremner, to stop making false public statements that ‘have the effect of severely damaging Jonah’s personal and business reputations’.
TorisMom003
07-30-2012, 05:37 PM
Time, Great write-up and review of events. One thing though. When police/EMS showed up at the house because Adam called 911 Rebecca was found face down on the grass with her hands still bound behind her back. There is no way, IMO, that Adam performed CPR.
ETA: I should clarify. Rebecca's head was found to the side but she was on her stomach.
Melanie
07-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Where is your proof this was preventable and negligent? This forum is about RZ. The problem here is that it is very believable that Max's death was the result of an unfortunate accident. It is not at all believable that a woman committed suicide while naked, possibly on her period, with hands and feet bound with intricate knots then hopped to the balcony and flung herself over.
IMHO, I'm more inclined to think that Maxie's death was an accident and RZ's death was some kind of revenge. I still don't think it was suicide, and am upset that LE gave up so darn quickly. No one even talks about it anymore (well not that I hear of in San Diego anyway).
Sad what IMHO money can buy.
MOO
Mel
Time, Great write-up and review of events. One thing though. When police/EMS showed up at the house because Adam called 911 Rebecca was found face down on the grass with her hands still bound behind her back. There is no way, IMO, that Adam performed CPR.
ETA: I should clarify. Rebecca's head was found to the side but she was on her stomach.
Good point! Thanks for the correction/addition. I'm going to bold it and if there are more, I add to what I posted.
And, would someone perform CPR on a dead person who already was cold with rigor anyway? I forget exactly what he said on the 911 call, but if the body has been dead that long, there is no reason to perform CPR. I wouldn't do it! But I wouldn't claim I had done it either especially if the position of the body made it impossible. Geesh.
IMHO, I'm more inclined to think that Maxie's death was an accident and RZ's death was some kind of revenge. I still don't think it was suicide, and am upset that LE gave up so darn quickly. No one even talks about it anymore (well not that I hear of in San Diego anyway).
Sad what IMHO money can buy.
MOO
Mel
Mel, I agree. I think there could be some slightly different explanation for how Max had his accident esp if no one saw it. I definitely am suspicious that Rebecca death was revenge or else due to pressure or something akin to blackmail/future ruin ... Remember, the doctor initially thought Max was suffocated (?) and I think that mixed with past hatred started the ball rolling. I believe there was even something to be filed with CPS ready to file the day Rebecca was found (or had been filed or discussed). Too bad the doc didn't realize till autopsy that he was wrong. Who knows, the outcome for Rebecca might have been different.
TorisMom003
07-30-2012, 08:32 PM
There are issues with Dina that one does not typically find with mothers who have lost their children. Dina has made it abundantly clear that she places the blame of Max's death solely on Rebecca. Dina's whereabouts on the night of Rebecca's death are in question. Rebecca's death is still under question as to it being a homicide, although there are those that continue to claim she committed suicide. Dina has been shown to have a temper. It seems that either Dina or her twin sister were at the house the night that Rebecca died.
Hopefully the above explains why I feel that Dina is suspect. Things that Dina says and/or does is suspect to me. While she is a victim in Max's death, accidental or not, it does not absolve her from remaining questions in Rebecca's.
MOO
TorisMom003
I think you expressed my sentiments, but in simpler form! Thank you
TorisMom003
07-30-2012, 09:19 PM
Another point that I forgot to mention in my above post. While Dina is a victim in Max's death, Rebecca's family are also victims. Dina seems to expect sympathy for her loss yet she continues to trash Rebecca and not give that same sympathy and respect to Rebecca's family. One must remember to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If one wants sympathy and respect due to the loss of a family member then one should extend the same courtesy to others.
MOO
Leomoon80
07-30-2012, 09:21 PM
I cannot find Dina S. a public figure, date of birth. I have Rebecca's however.
Does anyone know what it is by any chance?
More evidence that all of Dina's volunteer "professional" activities have a connection back to Jonah. Jonah's connections opened a lot of doors for Dina.
Raun Melmed (founder of the Melmed Center)
Raun D. Melmed, MD
Developmental Pediatrician & Clinical Director
Dr. Raun Melmed, medical director of the Melmed Center and a developmental and behavioral pediatrician, founded Developmental Pediatric Associates, now known as the Melmed Center in 1989. He is a co-founder and the medical director of the Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center.
http://www.melmedcenter.com/raun-melmed.html
I cannot find Dina S. a public figure, date of birth. I have Rebecca's however.
Does anyone know what it is by any chance?
I can't find it either. Here is more info on the family.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/mercurynews/obituary.aspx?n=mary-ambrose&pid=145811810&fhid=2400#fbLoggedOut
freespeech
07-31-2012, 12:58 PM
I think Dina was more a stay at home Mom than a professional which I believe is wonderful especially when the child is preschool. It gives the Mom time to learn the child's interests and help them to engage in meaningful activities. I believe Dina did that and Max had a developed interest in soccer and was athletic.
Dina may have been working toward a profession goal to fulfill her time when Max started first grade. She seems to have an interest in working with children as well as a childlike quality of her own.
I actually feel a lot of compassion for Dina's loss of Max and also for the loss of her marriage to Jonah. From what I have read ending the marriage was not her choice. Dina's struggles to seek a career are laudable.
However, even though I have positive and compassionate thoughts and feelings toward Dina reality warrants looking at the whole picture. There was severe dysfunction going on in her home and relationships that I believe stemmed from her own attitude, reactions and actions and possibly a lack of self-control over her own behavior.
I don't know who killed Rebecca but I just don't see any convincing evidence that she committed suicide. I feel that it is unjust to walk away as if to say well even if Rebecca was murdered she must have deserved it because Max died on her watch. That still has not been proven or determined by law enforcement and I do not condone vigilantism.
Dina and Jonah garner my distrust because of their volatile, addictive and out of control life styles as well as all the lies they have both been caught telling. Neither Rebecca or Max can speak for themselves so I as one of many feel the need to question this.
Hopefully, Martin Rudoy is correct when he speculated that we should hear by September whether the Attorney General Kamala Harris will investigate. I hope she does the right thing and opens investigations into both deaths because I believe that Max also deserves justice.
*Lash*
07-31-2012, 02:59 PM
Respectfully snipped for space-
Just to put some facts on this all - here is part of the timeline, this (and there was more) came from the HM, but it no longer exists.
– Dina returns to the hospital between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**
Hi Time :)
I am one of the original authors of THM timeline. I still have the full timeline if ever needed. Thank you for continuing to use it as a basis to establish the events and times of these two tragedies.
When creating the timeline the discrepancy in time when Dina returned to the hospital on July 12th stood out. It still does. On July 12th, how did Jonah see Dina at the hospital at 6:00pm when Dina told detectives she was home getting some sleep? Dina stated she returned to the hospital at 8:00pm. This can be found in search warrants 11-164 from information obtained by separate detectives in interviews with Dina and Jonah.
Dina and Nina were both interviewed by Special Agents from the DOJ. Special Agents perform investigations for the Attorney General's legal Divisions, assist district attorneys and local law enforcement in complex multi-jurisdictional investigations and conduct special investigations as directed by the Attorney General in response to the Governor, the Legislature or other state agencies.
Warrant 11-164 - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
Respectfully snipped for space-
Hi Time :)
I am one of the original authors of THM timeline. I still have the full timeline if ever needed. Thank you for continuing to use it as a basis to establish the events and times of these two tragedies.
When creating the timeline the discrepancy in time when Dina returned to the hospital on July 12th stood out. It still does. On July 12th, how did Jonah see Dina at the hospital at 6:00pm when Dina told detectives she was home getting some sleep? Dina stated she returned to the hospital at 8:00pm. This can be found in search warrants 11-164 from information obtained by separate detectives in interviews with Dina and Jonah.
Dina and Nina were both interviewed by Special Agents from the DOJ. Special Agents perform investigations for the Attorney General's legal Divisions, assist district attorneys and local law enforcement in complex multi-jurisdictional investigations and conduct special investigations as directed by the Attorney General in response to the Governor, the Legislature or other state agencies.
Warrant 11-164 - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
Hi! Thank you for working on that timeline and glad to know it is still available.
The search warrant says they will be able to determine if Jonah or Dina were lying because they will know where there phones were - however, I do not remember hearing the results of that. I do remember the controversy about the 6-8 pm time period a while back - thinking there was also something more to that (or to what others were doing around that time) but I can't remember now! Arg! I don't remember them ever really pinning down where people were (via camera either?)
Excerpt from the warrant you linked:
Maxie's untimely death unfortunately necessitated an indefinite leave of absence from Dr. Shacknai's established professional practice.
http://maxieshouse.org/about.php
BBM.
Below is an example of Dina's established professional practice. And may I note that Dina moved out of Arizona to Coronado for the summer well before Maxie's tragic accident, and that was NOT part of her "indefinite leave of absence."
Girl Talk™
An activity oriented social skills group for girls that combines art, drama, and games to help them learn to make and keep friends, communicate, problem solve, monitor moods, and improve decision making and social sportsmanship skills.
EARLY REGISTRATION discounted fee is $500.00 for 10 meetings (includes supplies and final report).
http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=-1771500373&page_url=//www.melmedcenter.com/girltalk&page_last_updated=2008-11-08T23:00:21&firstName=Dina&lastName=Shacknai
Kind of expensive for non-insurance covered, social activity "playgroup therapy" of 75 min each. IMO. Girl Scouts or a church youth group with a reasonably sensitive leader could accomplish the same goals for a lot less money, imo.
I agree with the poster above that Dina was essentially a stay at home mom for most of Maxie's life. That is extremely laudable- especially with all of the marital chaos that was going on, and her choice not to use a full time nanny.
I fail to understand why it is necessary for Dina to focus on the careful presentation of her "professional practice" to justify the establishment of a memorial charity. It wasn't necessary to mention her career aspirations at all, which is why it seems so self-serving for her to focus on herself, unfounded accusations about Rebecca, and her anger at Jonah, and not Maxie. Maxie is like a small side note in all of the "other" issues Dina seems to need to put forth first. Makes me think Maxie's House is just a platform for Dina's anger and vindictiveness toward Jonah and Rebecca. Especially with her history (documented) of domestic violence.
It will be interesting to see what Maxie's House actually accomplishes over the next year or so. It definitely has a shelf life-- we'll see how long that is.
I find it is some people's longterm MO to hype who they are. Maybe it is a substitute for doing the hard work adding in some overly inflated ego mixed with some entitlement. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to find that people who operate this way elevate themselves avoid being accountable for their own actions by degrading others and trying to place blame on them. Many of the behaviors are the very signs of an abusive and dysfunctional individual.
inthedark14
08-01-2012, 11:44 AM
So we know for a FACT that DS has asked LE to look at the ruling of accident of MS death. It's been over two weeks and we've heard nothing. She does not believe that his death was actually an accident. Ok, that's fair and she has every right to find the truth behind what happened to her son.
Rumors are flying about what the results of this inquest will be. Will the police actually reopen the case? Will DS make public the results of her private investigation? Already people are stating things as fact, when nothing has been made public.
If in fact they reopen MS's file, then by default you would think they would have to open RZ's file as well. If it is PROVEN that RZ had something to do with MS's fatal fall, then wouldn't they have to open RZ's case to show that it was not a REVENGE murder? Also, if what those experts have come up with doesn't conclusively show that she had something to do with his fall.....well wouldn't it still have to be opened to show that it wasn't a mistaken REVENGE murder?
JMO
If in fact they reopen MS's file, then by default you would think they would have to open RZ's file as well. If it is PROVEN that RZ had something to do with MS's fatal fall, then wouldn't they have to open RZ's case to show that it was not a REVENGE murder? Also, if what those experts have come up with doesn't conclusively show that she had something to do with his fall.....well wouldn't it still have to be opened to show that it wasn't a mistaken REVENGE murder?
JMO
You know, I was wondering if Dina just opened the hornet's nest should they actually grant her requests! On the other hand, let's speculate that, if she was involved in RZ murder in any way, this could serve one or two purposes - getting her side of the story out now for sympathy or that she wouldn't get it out in this manner later. I think in her mind though, she's thinking more people will be convinced Rebecca committed suicide if Max's death was not an accident. Backfire! And, as you say, it would probably necessitate revisiting the ruling on RZ's death. I think it's fine she questions Max's death, but why not earlier?
Thanks for the pic of Dinah Foundation logo ... I don't know, but that gave me a creepy feeling given the tubes of paint found with Rebecca, and in RED :(
*Lash*
08-01-2012, 12:31 PM
Hi! Thank you for working on that timeline and glad to know it is still available.
The search warrant says they will be able to determine if Jonah or Dina were lying because they will know where there phones were - however, I do not remember hearing the results of that. I do remember the controversy about the 6-8 pm time period a while back - thinking there was also something more to that (or to what others were doing around that time) but I can't remember now! Arg! I don't remember them ever really pinning down where people were (via camera either?)
Excerpt from the warrant you linked:
The results of Jonah's and Dina's whereabouts were released by Sheriff Gore during a press conference on November 16, 2011 that was given after the Dr. Phil Show. Sheriff Gore states they have Jonah on surveillance. Then later Gore tells us that Dina was not on seen on surveillance. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, her phone was in the vicinity of the hospital. I leave my cell phone at home all the time. It doesn't have to go everywhere I go. In my opinion a location of a phone does not equate to the location of its owner.
A reporter asked if Dina was seen on surveillance tape the night of the murder. The reporter actually says murder. Here is a transcript from the presser.
DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: Was she on surveillance tape the night of the murder – er, the night of the death, of Rebecca’s death?
GORE: [Exhales deeply – pushes back from table, sound of two thumps on table, addresses someone in the back of the room] Um -*‐-*‐ I will put... Who do we have back there? Um, Dave, I don't believe we have her -*‐-*‐ did you hear the question?
DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: I understand Jonah may have been on surveillance tape but not Dina. Is that right?
GORE: Let’s get an exact answer for you. Right. Yeah... yeah.
REPORTER: Sheriff, I’m going to move to some statements made by Cyril Wecht for a second, Dr. Cyril Wech
Later...
GORE: Anything else from another channel [Gore laughter]?
REPORTER: There was something that somebody was going to check on that we asked about earlier. I don’t know if it came in... you are going to check on that.
GORE: Oh.. [Woman from back of room delivers document to Gore. WOMAN: Incoming... Airmail]
GORE: I forgot what the question was.
REPORTER: Dina on surveillance tape.
GORE: [Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.
http://www.10news.com/news/29790096/detail.html
inthedark14
08-01-2012, 12:32 PM
@time
It's not a logo...it was the "placeholder" (I think that's what it's called) on the webpage the day before it went live. I took a screenshot on Sunday, July 15th when I first went to the Maxie's House website. The site wasn't live yet. That is what was there...it kind of gave me the ickies too.
Lash ... thank you.
"Then later Gore tells us that Dina was not on seen on surveillance. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, her phone was in the vicinity of the hospital. I leave my cell phone at home all the time. It doesn't have to go everywhere I go. In my opinion a location of a phone does not equate to the location of its owner. "
No, location of a cell phone does not equal location of it's owner. Geesh, he seemed evasive because how could he not automatically know a key piece of information. If they verified the location of her cell phone, who did she call and when - or do some cell phone constantly ping when not being used?
Was there ever any more explanation for her not being seen on surveillance, coming and going?
Also, did they figure out the location of Nina's cell phone when she called Rebecca? IIRC, she left a message and that was verified and it was her voice?
A couple more things...
I never understood why Jonah was at the hospital so late the night given they seemed to be trading shifts and he must have been exhausted.
And, there was never an explanation for why he would be calling so late to give bad news - as if they were just told. How did this come about. Jonah could have driven home to talk with Rebecca if he had something so serious to talk about. Of course, his first wife said he didn't seem to have many emotions, or something like that.
We know, that message was never heard or confirmed. But did they say that message was actually sent at the same time they could pinpoint his phone at the hospital? How do we know he even had his own phone at that point.
freespeech
08-01-2012, 02:26 PM
You know, I was wondering if Dina just opened the hornet's nest should they actually grant her requests! On the other hand, let's speculate that, if she was involved in RZ murder in any way, this could serve one or two purposes - getting her side of the story out now for sympathy or that she wouldn't get it out in this manner later. I think in her mind though, she's thinking more people will be convinced Rebecca committed suicide if Max's death was not an accident. Backfire! And, as you say, it would probably necessitate revisiting the ruling on RZ's death. I think it's fine she questions Max's death, but why not earlier?
Thanks for the pic of Dinah Foundation logo ... I don't know, but that gave me a creepy feeling given the tubes of paint found with Rebecca, and in RED :(
Thanks for your comments. Btw, I feel the same way. Yes the logo is very creepy. Either the designer of it is totally out of touch with reality or someone is rubbing something in everyone's faces.
Mrs. Holmes
08-01-2012, 02:50 PM
:fence:Thanks for your comments. Btw, I feel the same way. Yes the logo is very creepy. Either the designer of it is totally out of touch with reality or someone is rubbing something in everyone's faces.
Add to that the artwork on the wall during the press conference....in the house... I commented on this before I learned Max's house is actually DS's home.. well the artwork is of a naked dark skinned woman. And the death room in the mansion of the old realtor photos... had artwork of a naked woman. It could have still been there... there were items taken out of the room by the police that did not seem to make it on the evidence list..
"Time will tell your secrets."
freespeech
08-01-2012, 03:26 PM
:fence:
Add to that the artwork on the wall during the press conference....in the house... I commented on this before I learned Max's house is actually DS's home.. well the artwork is of a naked dark skinned woman. And the death room in the mansion of the old realtor photos... had artwork of a naked woman. It could have still been there... there were items taken out of the room by the police that did not seem to make it on the evidence list..
"Time will tell your secrets."
BBM
I thought that Maxie's House was Dina's home too but the address at the website is shown as 90 E. Via de Ventura F-110 #216 Scottsdale, AZ 85258.
Is it possible that Dina only held the press conference at her private residence? That would explain the unusual art work.
Also as was mentioned there was a feature in place to give donations. However, the non for profit goal is 'education' but there is nothing shown under stories and resources. So what would one be donating to if there is no dissemination of information to needy parents? Is Dina looking for start-up money?
freespeech
08-01-2012, 03:46 PM
Statements taken from Maxie's House website are bolded:
Every donation generates discussion and impacts children's lives of blended families.
What does this mean? There are no resources, stories and no discussion board.
Thank you for investing in a child’s safety and well-being!
How is giving money to a website with no educational information or resources investing in a child's safety and well being?
Statements taken from Maxie's House website are bolded:
Every donation generates discussion and impacts children's lives of blended families.
What does this mean? There are no resources, stories and no discussion board.
Thank you for investing in a child’s safety and well-being!
How is giving money to a website with no educational information or resources investing in a child's safety and well being?
They have already pre-spent a ton of those donations for PR. I imagine a PR firm was hired by the looks of the coverage she got. And, there is a FB page.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22maxie%27s+house%22+non+profit+&oq=%22maxie%27s+house%22+non+profit+&gs_l=hp.3...11930.14460.4.14772.2.2.0.0.0.0.96.186 .2.2.0...0.0...1c.24OBN7F1fBc&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=6d7d95267627f3a9&biw=1460&bih=856
There has been so much discussion in this thread about Dina's new nonprofit, that we have gone off course on the original topic of the thread, which was Dina suing the county for autopsy pictures.
I think I'm going to start a new thread dedicated to the nonprofit discussion, and related matters. Perhaps a moderator will move the appropriate posts to the new thread, but if not, we can continue there.
*Lash*
08-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Was there ever any more explanation for her not being seen on surveillance, coming and going?
Also, did they figure out the location of Nina's cell phone when she called Rebecca? IIRC, she left a message and that was verified and it was her voice?
There was never any further explanation of Dina not being seen on surveillance.
Nina did not call Rebecca. She sent Rebecca a text message at 9:41m on July 12th. Rebecca's phone records show 10:41pm and Nina's show 9:41pm. Interesting tidbit. This may be an innocent conflict in home cell phone time zones. Nina said she waited for an answer from Rebecca until 9:55pm. When she did not get a response, Nina walked to the mansion. She rang the door bell and did her walk around the house. Nina states the only light that was on was "that second bedroom the sitting room". That's what she calls it.
Source - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3
There was never any further explanation of Dina not being seen on surveillance.
Nina did not call Rebecca. She sent Rebecca a text message at 9:41m on July 12th. Rebecca's phone records show 10:41pm and Nina's show 9:41pm. Interesting tidbit. This may be an innocent conflict in home cell phone time zones. Nina said she waited for an answer from Rebecca until 9:55pm. When she did not get a response, Nina walked to the mansion. She rang the door bell and did her walk around the house. Nina states the only light that was on was "that second bedroom the sitting room". That's what she calls it.
Source - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3
I do not see how this hour disparity timeframe in when that call was made could go unexamined. It's not rocket science. If Rebecca's phone was somehow off an hour then how to explain not just the time on the calls to and from her sister, but also the supposed time of the message left from Jonah - which was actually used in the whole suicide scenario. Let alone, of course, that they couldn't bother to check on such a crucial piece of evidence until it was too late they said to retrieve it.
Leomoon80
08-08-2012, 03:25 PM
It may simply be where the phone was activated. If in Arizona, then a 1 hr time difference between there and Calif. certain times of the year.
It may simply be where the phone was activated. If in Arizona, then a 1 hr time difference between there and Calif. certain times of the year.
So, you are saying that Nina's phone time was off? But Nina wasn't from Arizona.
I don't see how it was possible for Rebecca's phone to be off only on one call.
I also believe the phone company should be able to verify the time of a call by some standard time or some indication if it is PDT/PST, Mountain time or whatever.
Which time do you think is correct and why?
Leomoon80
08-08-2012, 10:05 PM
So, you are saying that Nina's phone time was off? But Nina wasn't from Arizona.
I don't see how it was possible for Rebecca's phone to be off only on one call.
I also believe the phone company should be able to verify the time of a call by some standard time or some indication if it is PDT/PST, Mountain time or whatever.
Which time do you think is correct and why?
of course, I thought they meant "Dina". I don't know where Nina is from. Just a suggestion not a proclomation :)
of course, I thought they meant "Dina". I don't know where Nina is from. Just a suggestion not a proclomation :)
Thanks. I wasn't being antagonistic, just confused!
Just Checking
08-09-2012, 04:14 PM
More evidence that all of Dina's volunteer "professional" activities have a connection back to Jonah. Jonah's connections opened a lot of doors for Dina.
Raun Melmed (founder of the Melmed Center)
Raun D. Melmed, MD
Developmental Pediatrician & Clinical Director
Dr. Raun Melmed, medical director of the Melmed Center and a developmental and behavioral pediatrician, founded Developmental Pediatric Associates, now known as the Melmed Center in 1989. He is a co-founder and the medical director of the Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center.
http://www.melmedcenter.com/raun-melmed.html
The mansion is reported as sold, but to whom - oh LLC that Jonah is a member of....
Just Checking
08-09-2012, 04:32 PM
Of course Dina deserves our sympathy for the loss of her only son in a horrible accident. There is no official evidence of negligence-- that is your opinion of the events. She is a grieving mother-- that is without question. ..... I hope Maxie's House accomplishes something worthy for someone beyond Dina. But I have serious doubts. I don't think Maxie's House has much at all to so with Maxie-- it is exploitative of his name and memory, and very hypocritical, given her OWN history of domestic violence reports. And that is my opinion.
Nice post - thank you for the clarity and non-drama.
CuriousGeorgia
08-09-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't think that was a nice post...a compliment veiled within rude comments about the victim's mother is not nice at all. IMO.
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