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nursebeeme
03-30-2012, 07:53 AM
New thread for a new day. Please remember the rules


:tos:






When posting an opinion please remember to use IMO or JMO.

:moo:





the crown will present its case in chapters:

Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
"Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

Salem's warning from last week:
Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
Thank you,
Salem
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Salem
04-04-2012, 12:37 AM
Please continue here.

matou
04-04-2012, 09:55 AM
The Crown alleges Michael Rafferty, 31, raped Tori before killing her, but Dr. Michael Pollanen said that cannot be determined through the pathology.
Tori's remains were so decomposed by the time of the autopsy on July 20, 2009, one day after a police officer acting on a hunch found them, much of the physical structures in that region of the body had deteriorated completely, he said.


http://www.am980.ca/channels/news/local/Story.aspx?ID=1681211

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 09:56 AM
Good Morning!

http://nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/tori-stafford1.jpg

mkozub
04-04-2012, 09:57 AM
Is the date on this thread wrong? Isn't it the 4th?

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 09:58 AM
testimony at the Tori Stafford murder trial was too much for the 8-year-old's parents to stomach on Tuesday http://bit.ly/He5zm8 #ldnont

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Tori Stafford trial: Coroner back on the stand for cross-examination http://bit.ly/I0fNDf #ToriStafford #Rafferty

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 09:59 AM
Mike Knoll: Just thought I'd throw this out here... from Day 1 of the trial, the Crown laid out how the trial will proceed based on chapters -- right now we're on chapter 4:

Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.

An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.

Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."

"Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 09:59 AM
Linda Nguyen‏@LindaNguyenPN

Tori Stafford trial: Coroner back on the stand for cross-examination http://bit.ly/I0fNDf #ToriStafford #Rafferty

Kamille
04-04-2012, 09:59 AM
Is the date on this thread wrong? Isn't it the 4th?

Yes it appears they unlocked the wrong one. No worries, I'm sure they can fix that up no problem.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:01 AM
RaffertyLFP: Dr. Michael Pollanen expected to face cross-examination at Michael Rafferty trial this morning

matou
04-04-2012, 10:01 AM
Yes it appears they unlocked the wrong one. No worries, I'm sure they can fix that up no problem.

I think I asked for the wrong thread to be opened. ooops.:doh:

matou
04-04-2012, 10:03 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187540362749947905)Dr. Michael Pollanen expected to face cross-examination at Michael Rafferty trial this morning.

Kamille
04-04-2012, 10:03 AM
I think I asked for the wrong thread to be opened. ooops.:doh:

LOL...they can just change the titles. No problem.

nobodyzgirl
04-04-2012, 10:06 AM
trial set to resume with the Chief Pathologist facing cross-examination. So far Tori's parents aren't here.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:06 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteveReply
#Rafferty trial set to resume with the Chief Pathologist facing cross-examination. So far Tori's parents aren't here. #sl

:(

matou
04-04-2012, 10:06 AM
I deleted the tweet where it said the doctor's name was Michael Rafferty, LFP didn't have enough coffee yet today.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:06 AM
The jury is entering the courtroom.

Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Pollanen

Derstine asking it Tori's sinuses were damaged. Asking if she would have choked on her blood from that injury. Pollanen says yes.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:07 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187541497116233729)The jury is entering the courtroom.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:07 AM
RaffertyLFP:
Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Pollanen.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:07 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187541645837860864)Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Pollanen.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:08 AM
Pollanen agrees very substantial force was applied to the head. Blunt force can cause bleeding, he said.

Derstine asks Pollanen to explain how blunt force would cause bleeding. Skin would have been split.

Pollanen agrees bleeding can occur after death in some cases

matou
04-04-2012, 10:08 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187541766436687873)Derstine asking it Tori's sinuses were damaged. Asking if she would have choked on her blood from that injury. Pollanen says yes.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:09 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187542040517677056)Pollanen agrees very substantial force was applied to the head. Blunt force can cause bleeding, he said.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:09 AM
Great question Derstine! keep asking about the facial injuries! JMO

matou
04-04-2012, 10:10 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187542139603910657)Derstine asks Pollanen to explain how blunt force would cause bleeding. Skin would have been split.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:10 AM
Linda Nguyen‏@LindaNguyenPN
Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Dr. Michael Pollanen on the amount of blood #ToriStafford lost prior to her death #Rafferty

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:10 AM
Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Dr. Michael Pollanen on the amount of blood #ToriStafford lost prior to her death

Also asking about blood flow after death. Pollanen doesn't know how much blood was lost or produced.

"I can't determine the volume of blood that was lost in this case." - Pollanen

matou
04-04-2012, 10:11 AM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187542303492153344)Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine questioning Dr. Michael Pollanen on the amount of blood #ToriStafford (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23ToriStafford) lost prior to her death

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187542397545234432)Pollanen agrees bleeding can occur after death in some cases.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:11 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187542723270676481)Also asking about blood flow after death. Pollanen doesn't know how much blood was lost or produced.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:11 AM
RaffertyLFP:
"I can't determine the volume of blood that was lost in this case." - Pollanen [via Twitter]

RaffertyLFP:
Pollanen agrees bleeding can occur after death in some cases. [via Twitter]

matou
04-04-2012, 10:12 AM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187542839540981760)"I can't determine the volume of blood that was lost in this case." - Pollanen

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:12 AM
In some cases, Pollanen would know. Not this one, body was too decomposed.

Rafferty listening with little expression. Wearing white shirt, blue striped tie, brown suit

Injuries to head would have caused death by selves, Pollanen said.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:13 AM
RaffertyLFP:
Rafferty listening with little expression. Wearing white shirt, blue striped tie, brown suit. [via Twitter]

myzzy
04-04-2012, 10:13 AM
Brought over from other thread as it is being closed


http://nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stafford-shirt.jpg?w=240&h=389

The shirt Tori Stafford was discovered in. :(

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/christie-blatchford-science-tells-us-how-tori-stafford-died-but-not-how-someone-could-kill-her/

Using your post for image :)

Does the shirt seem like its pulled to the side of the torn/cut sleeve? as if being grabbed and stretched?

If a body is never found...does it mean there was no murder. People have been trialed and convicted in absence of a body.:twocents:

I believe its much harder to prove murder without a corpse, It happens more often now then it did 10 years ago iu think.


As for the sexual assult, I personally would want some physical proof it happed before convicting someone soley on sexual assult. And up to this point in the case I do not believe the Crown has estabilished enough proof to show me that a sexual assult transpired. Now, once the case is all over and the defence has had its turn in explaining what happened that night according to their client MR, my opinion may change, as taking the WHOLE CASE evidence into consideration and may believe that chances are a sexual assult did happen by looking at everything as a whole.

Personally, At this point, I do not think the Crown has proven beyond a doubt that MR comminted Kidnapping ( Have yet to see it his side, could be a dupped ) Sexual assult ( No physical evidence only circumstantial evidence) and Murder ( TLM testified that MR did not kill Tori and as of yet nothing to state he took part in the murder )

Now, we have yet to hear anything from the defence so anything can happen and the evidence that we have yet to hear about or even know about has not come out yet. They may have something in evidence that we have no clue about and will turn the whole case on a dime. We the public only hear what they want us to hear. We also have seen daily, how the tweets get twisted by a word or two as this is not a OFFICAL transcript and we are going on the tweets to convict MR.

Im not saying he is innocent by any stretch of the imagination as he has and had some responsibilty in the cover up of Tori's death at the very least and should be punished for those crimes regardless of the outcome of this case. BUT, they have only charged him with Kidnapping, Sexual Assult and murder. I assume that if he is found not guilty that the crown will recharge him with accessory after the fact or something like that, they wont just let him go scott free in my opinion

matou
04-04-2012, 10:13 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187543037575036929)In some cases, Pollanen would know. Not this one, body was too decomposed.

r.e. about the volume of blood lost. JMO

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Pollanan agrees with Derstine, that more force than was needed to kill Tori was applied.

Nothing could have saved her from the head injuries, Pollanen agrees

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve


Derstine begins his cross-examination asking Dr. Pollanen about amount of blood loss and whether it can be measured #sl

matou
04-04-2012, 10:14 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187543523757785088)Pollanan agrees with Derstine, that more force than was needed to kill Tori was applied.

nobodyzgirl
04-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Derstine begins his cross-examination asking Dr. Pollanen about amount of blood loss and whether it can be measured

matou
04-04-2012, 10:15 AM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

I (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187543388625707010)njuries to head would have caused death by selves, Pollanen said.

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187543608478531584)Nothing could have saved her from the head injuries, Pollanen agrees.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:15 AM
Pollanen says at least four hammer blows were applied, but could have been more.

Pollanen repeats that the medical evidence is silent on whether there was a sexual assault.

Derstine gives hypothetical: No sexual assault, Tori hit with a hammer, then kicked and stomped. Pollanen could not refute that.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:16 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187543746706026497)Pollanen says at least four hammer blows were applied, but could have been more.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:16 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187544062721667073)Pollanen repeats that the medical evidence is silent on whether there was a sexual assault.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:17 AM
Pollanen agrees medical evidence also silent on who inflicted injuries on Tori Stafford. Pollanen finished testifying

Derstine asks Pollanen if science could say who inflicted these fatal wounds on #ToriStafford. Doctor says no

Derstine suggests all his expertise could not tell us who inflicted those wounds. Pollanen agrees. That's all the questions for Pollanen.

Two tweets ago should not have said "then kicked and stomped". Remove the word then.

Next witness is police officer John Stirling

matou
04-04-2012, 10:17 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187543988960632832)Derstine gives hypothetical: No sexual assault, Tori hit with a hammer, then kicked and stomped. Pollanen could not refute that.

‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187544261154193409)Derstine suggests all his expertise could not tell us who inflicted those wounds. Pollanen agrees. That's all the questions for Pollanen.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:18 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187544319664726017)Pollanen agrees medical evidence also silent on who inflicted injuries on Tori Stafford. Pollanen finished testifying.

Great work Derstine! They did it together like the Crown suggested! JMO

matou
04-04-2012, 10:19 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187544549458059266)Next witness is police officer John Stirling.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:20 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Tara McDonald, Tori's mom, has arrived at the courthouse

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:20 AM
The crown has called Sgt. John James Sterling.

He will be the final witness in the crown's Mount Forest chapter.

Stirling is an OPP sergeant and ERT coordinator. Responded to more than 1,300 calls.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187544319664726017)Pollanen agrees medical evidence also silent on who inflicted injuries on Tori Stafford. Pollanen finished testifying.

Great work Derstine! They did it together like the Crown suggested! JMO

I wish Crown would have redirect on that point!!!

matou
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187544842140778497)The crown has called Sgt. John James Sterling.

‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187544977071538176)He will be the final witness in the crown's Mount Forest chapter.

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)[/URL]

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187545097011863553)
[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187545097011863553"]Stirling is an OPP sergeant and ERT coordinator. Responded to more than 1,300 calls.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
Derstine raises the question of whether #ToriStafford was sexually assaulted at all

"I could not refute it. But I will say what I said to the Crown, that the medical evidence is silent on sexual assault," replies Pollanen

matou
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187545041525415937)"I could not refute it. But I will say what I said to the Crown, that the medical evidence is silent on sexual assault," replies Pollanen

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:21 AM
Stirling coordinated search efforts for Tori Stafford. Brought in on April 17, 2009.

Stirling was part of the group of officers who searched for Tori Stafford.

He's part of the OPP Emergency Response Team.

Two phases to search. First was in city of Woodstock. Second phase shifted to Wellington County

matou
04-04-2012, 10:22 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187545442966437888)Stirling was part of the group of officers who searched for Tori Stafford.

Kamille
04-04-2012, 10:22 AM
Brought over from other thread as it is being closed




Using your post for image :)

Does the shirt seem like its pulled to the side of the torn/cut sleeve? as if being grabbed and stretched?



I believe its much harder to prove murder without a corpse, It happens more often now then it did 10 years ago iu think.


As for the sexual assult, I personally would want some physical proof it happed before convicting someone soley on sexual assult. And up to this point in the case I do not believe the Crown has estabilished enough proof to show me that a sexual assult transpired. Now, once the case is all over and the defence has had its turn in explaining what happened that night according to their client MR, my opinion may change, as taking the WHOLE CASE evidence into consideration and may believe that chances are a sexual assult did happen by looking at everything as a whole.

Personally, At this point, I do not think the Crown has proven beyond a doubt that MR comminted Kidnapping ( Have yet to see it his side, could be a dupped ) Sexual assult ( No physical evidence only circumstantial evidence) and Murder ( TLM testified that MR did not kill Tori and as of yet nothing to state he took part in the murder )

Now, we have yet to hear anything from the defence so anything can happen and the evidence that we have yet to hear about or even know about has not come out yet. They may have something in evidence that we have no clue about and will turn the whole case on a dime. We the public only hear what they want us to hear. We also have seen daily, how the tweets get twisted by a word or two as this is not a OFFICAL transcript and we are going on the tweets to convict MR.

Im not saying he is innocent by any stretch of the imagination as he has and had some responsibilty in the cover up of Tori's death at the very least and should be punished for those crimes regardless of the outcome of this case. BUT, they have only charged him with Kidnapping, Sexual Assult and murder. I assume that if he is found not guilty that the crown will recharge him with accessory after the fact or something like that, they wont just let him go scott free in my opinion

The defence does not get a chance to enter their explanation into evidence without putting MR on the stand. Anything the defence says in their opening statement is not evidence and cannot be viewed as such. They have to back up their statement with circumstantial or direct evidence just as the Crown is doing. I don't think they're going to be able to do that and they don't have to. But if they don't, anything they say is not to be used as evidence when determining the outcome of this trial.

MOO

matou
04-04-2012, 10:22 AM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187545422636658689)Stirling coordinated search efforts for Tori Stafford. Brought in on April 17, 2009.

‏ @LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187545496901009408)OPP Sgt. James Stirling is the next Crown witness. He is a coordinator of a police search and rescue team

nobodyzgirl
04-04-2012, 10:23 AM
Tara McDonald, Tori's mom, has arrived at the courthouse

antiquegirl
04-04-2012, 10:23 AM
Just curious why this thread has tomorrow's date on it. :)

matou
04-04-2012, 10:23 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187545629067714562)He's part of the OPP Emergency Response Team.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:23 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Derstine wraps cross saying: “Science and all of your skill cannot tell us who inflicted these wounds” Pollanen: “That is correct” #sl

matou
04-04-2012, 10:24 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187545807719903233)Two phases to search. First was in city of Woodstock. Second phase shifted to Wellington County.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:24 AM
For those wanting to know, Rafferty is wearing a grey suit with a white shirt and a blue and grey striped tie.

It was the largest search in OPP history and probably the nation's, he says

13,800 people involved in search for Tori.

OPP respond to 300-400 missing persons cases per year. Most wrapped up within 10 hours.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:24 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187545929602183170)For those wanting to know, Rafferty is wearing a grey suit with a white shirt and a blue and grey striped tie.

Confusedashell
04-04-2012, 10:26 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187545929602183170)For those wanting to know, Rafferty is wearing a grey suit with a white shirt and a blue and grey striped tie.

This is kind of funny one of the other reporters said he is wearing a white shirt with a brown suit

matou
04-04-2012, 10:26 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187546417919832064)OPP respond to 300-400 missing persons cases per year. Most wrapped up within 10 hours.

Confusedashell
04-04-2012, 10:27 AM
London Free Press ‏ @RaffertyLFP Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Rafferty listening with little expression. Wearing white shirt, blue striped tie, brown suit.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:27 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187546478858878976)13,800 people involved in search for Tori.

@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187546419916320769)Stirling says #ToriStafford (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23ToriStafford) investigation was largest ever in OPP and perhaps the country

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:27 AM
Search far exceeded the number involved in search after the killing of the Regiers in Huron County

Stirling explaining the process of a missing persons case.

Also explaining how officers involved in the search are trained.

myzzy
04-04-2012, 10:27 AM
Just curious why this thread has tomorrow's date on it. :)

Mod i believe opened the wrong one and is waiting for it to be changed to the correct one :).. But i wanted to beleive we were one day ahead and could see what yesterday was :)

Confusedashell
04-04-2012, 10:27 AM
are the reporters looking at the same person????

matou
04-04-2012, 10:28 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187546710480928768)Stirling explaining the process of a missing persons case.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:28 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187546819625099265)Search far exceeded the number involved in search after the killing of the Regiers in Huron County.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:29 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187547118632841216)Also explaining how officers involved in the search are trained.

Kamille
04-04-2012, 10:30 AM
are the reporters looking at the same person????

Probably a little colour blind. Brown and grey look the same? :waitasec: :floorlaugh:

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:30 AM
Stirling outlining all the police resources that can be involved in a search.

Showing the jury a map of the area between Woodstock and Mount Forest.

puppyraiser
04-04-2012, 10:30 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187545929602183170)For those wanting to know, Rafferty is wearing a grey suit with a white shirt and a blue and grey striped tie.


Bet we don't see MR wearing purple again during this trial. If the defense team thought it was appropriate for him to have a purple shirt and tie to show support during the most difficult day of testimony, it backfired horribly on them. Every media outlet has commented on his attire. IMO he should have 'supported' Tori during the brutal assault if he's so innocent in all of this.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:31 AM
Probably a little colour blind. Brown and grey look the same? :waitasec: :floorlaugh:

They are seeing MR on a monitor I think. JMO

matou
04-04-2012, 10:32 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187547744741765121)Showing the jury a map of the area between Woodstock and Mount Forest.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 10:33 AM
are the reporters looking at the same person????

lol my sentiments exactly. LFP brown suit...AM980 says grey suit on MTR

matou
04-04-2012, 10:34 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187548561938980864)"As the crow flies", 94 kilometers between the two. 130 kilometers if you drive 401/highway six.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:35 AM
"As the crow flies", 94 kilometers between the two. 130 kilometers if you drive 401/highway six.

Stirling giving distances from crime scene to towns in area

Stirling's team initially assisted in ground search in Woodstock.

Searches start at point last seen.

Kamille
04-04-2012, 10:35 AM
lol my sentiments exactly. LFP brown suit...AM980 says grey suit on MTR

Must be taupe then. :)

matou
04-04-2012, 10:36 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187548879158382592)Stirling giving distances from crime scene to towns in area.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:37 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187549137846272001)Stirling's team initially assisted in ground search in Woodstock.

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187549322110435328)Searches start at point last seen.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:39 AM
At that point in investigation involving an abduction only 2 per cent are found alive, Stirling said

Stirling says police were on the look out for clothing or other items Tori had the day she went missing.

Police were looking for number of items associated with Tori - coat, earrings

Also searched for the woman from the CASS video (now known to be Terri-Lynne McClintic).

matou
04-04-2012, 10:42 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187550086732062720)Stirling says police were on the look out for clothing or other items Tori had the day she went missing.

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187550309525102592)Also searched for the woman from the CASS video (now known to be Terri-Lynne McClintic).

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187550340281925633)Police were looking for number of items associated with Tori - coat, earrings.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:44 AM
RaffertyLFP: Officers searching areas were tracked with GPS, providing map of areas covered.

RaffertyLFP: 11 different waterways searched with divers and sonar.

Officers searching areas were tracked with GPS, providing map of areas covered.

OPP searched waterways, even after Rafferty/McClintic were arrested. Showing search patterns on Guelph Lake.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:46 AM
Rafferty jury show graphic autopsy photos

with video by Randy Richmond.

http://www.parisstaronline.com/2012/04/04/rafferty-jury-show-graphic-autopsy-photos

Ardy
04-04-2012, 10:46 AM
Bet we don't see MR wearing purple again during this trial. If the defense team thought it was appropriate for him to have a purple shirt and tie to show support during the most difficult day of testimony, it backfired horribly on them. Every media outlet has commented on his attire. IMO he should have 'supported' Tori during the brutal assault if he's so innocent in all of this.

Maybe, but the jury isn't watching media reports and would be unaware of the families feelings.

Given the circumstances of MR's place of abode...........the defense team would be laying out his clothes for the next day, and they probably have someone assigned to that task.

The clothes could very well be rented from a local clothier, such as they do for local news anchors and weather people.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:46 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling says when OPP was called in, statistics were already against them, only 2% of missing people in that situation were found alive #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
After arrest of McClintic & Rafferty, Stirling led the search north of Guelph for Tori's remains #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling now giving geographic overview of scope of the search for Tori Stafford. Woodstock to Mt. Forest, including Guelph, Cambridge #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling talking about OPP search method: "We don’t look for the person, we look for the clues left behind by this missing person" #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling says it was the largest search in the OPP history and perhaps the largest ever in Canada #sl #rafferty

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling helped co-ordinate search for Tori, says they were called in to help Woodstock Police on Apr. 17/09 #sl


Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Court now hearing from Sgt John Stirling from OPP Search and Rescue, talking about search for Tori Stafford #sl

matou
04-04-2012, 10:47 AM
@RaffertyLFP

11 different waterways searched with divers and sonar.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:47 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187551566398627840)OPP searched waterways, even after Rafferty/McClintic were arrested. Showing search patterns on Guelph Lake.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:47 AM
Linda Nguyen‏@LindaNguyenPN
Stirling says #ToriStafford investigation was largest ever in OPP and perhaps the country #Rafferty

Kamille
04-04-2012, 10:48 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187546478858878976)13,800 people involved in search for Tori.

@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187546419916320769)Stirling says #ToriStafford (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23ToriStafford) investigation was largest ever in OPP and perhaps the country


Imagine that. 13,800 people involved in the search for Victoria and one guy zipping around town in his recently converted two seater car who could have solved the whole case for them the night of the abduction. :waitasec:

MOO

matou
04-04-2012, 10:48 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187551942770307072)Stats show that 14 per cent of time bodies are found in the water when there has been an abduction.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:48 AM
Showing the Salford landfill. Woodstock garbage goes there. Trying to find clues.

Officers searching areas were tracked with GPS, providing map of areas covered

14 officers were involved in searching the garbage.

They were looking for Tori's clothing and personal items.

Looking for personal effects of Tori and female seen in video. No items found.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 10:48 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
OPP searched 11 different waterways for this investigation, 11 different divers involved, some using sonar #sl #rafferty

matou
04-04-2012, 10:49 AM
Imagine that. 13,800 people involved in the search for Victoria and one guy zipping around town in his recently converted two seater car who could have solved the whole case for them the night of the abduction. :waitasec:

MOO

Absolutely. He also said he was going to help search for Tori too. Said this to Barb Armstrong. JMO

Oldsoul2
04-04-2012, 10:49 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

"As the crow flies", 94 kilometers between the two. 130 kilometers if you drive 401/highway six.


<modsnip>, said 68 miles= 110 Kilometers, pretty close

matou
04-04-2012, 10:49 AM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187552169766035456)Showing the Salford landfill. Woodstock garbage goes there. Trying to find clues.

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187552335889825794)Salford landfill searched to check Woodstock garbage. 14 officers involved in search.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:51 AM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187552318093410304)14 officers were involved in searching the garbage.

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187552442530013186)They were looking for Tori's clothing and personal items.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:51 AM
RaffertyLFP: Officers pulled open garbage bags and looked through them. 25 truck loads examined each day.

RaffertyLFP: About 830 tonnes of garbage were searched by police - 366 truck loads

Officers left the site in early May, but returned after Rafferty was arrested.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:51 AM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187552523056455680)Looking for personal effects of Tori and female seen in video. No items found.

matou
04-04-2012, 10:52 AM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187552966453116928)From Apr20-May7, searchers used an excavator to look for #ToriStafford (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23ToriStafford) at a landfill site near Woodstock

matou
04-04-2012, 10:53 AM
gotta go bbl xoxo

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:54 AM
RaffertyLFP: Returned to landfill to find car seat, but never located the specific one looking for

Officers were looking for the back seat of a 2003 Honda.

They never found it. Also considered searching Waterloo Region landfill, but there was too much garbage.

Considered searching Waterloo region landfill. Too much garbage to check

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:55 AM
During this time, searchers looked thru 800 tonnes of garbage

From Apr20-May7, searchers used an excavator to look for #ToriStafford at a landfill site near Woodstock

Investigative team decided too many officers would be needed, and odds of finding anything significant would be low in Waterloo.

Court shown map of ground search between Guelph and Mount Forest

Showing areas the OPP searched around Guelph. Rafferty moves towards the screen for a closer look.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 10:57 AM
During this time, searchers looked thru 800 tonnes of garbage

From Apr20-May7, searchers used an excavator to look for #ToriStafford at a landfill site near Woodstock

Investigative team decided too many officers would be needed, and odds of finding anything significant would be low in Waterloo.

Court shown map of ground search between Guelph and Mount Forest

I wonder if the evidence was buried in the ground.:banghead::moo: or burned

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 10:58 AM
Ground searches covered 18,144 kilometres, equivalent to one and a half times around the moon

The team returned on May28-29 to look for a Honda Civic back seat. They found a few but not one believed be missing from #Rafferty's car

Stirling says team then got info about searching a landfill in Guelph for backseat but it was too big for it to be "feasible

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:00 AM
Officers on Stirling's team also looked for the shoes McClintic and Rafferty discarded the night Tori was killed.

RaffertyLFP: Search expanded to include clothing of Michael Rafferty, hammer, garbage bags, shopping bags

ERT team search efforts never included the place where Tori was found.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:01 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
OPP returned to landfill to search for car seat of 2003 Honda. Didn't find specific seat. Tried Waterloo dump but too much trash #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling says despite extensive search of landfill, they did not come across any clues. #sl

Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
During landfill search 20-25 truck loads of garbage examined each day. 830 tonnes of garbage was searched overall #sl


Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
14 OPP officers spent 3 weeks searching landfill near Woodstock as part of search, using excavators, dump truck, bulldozers. #sl



Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
OPP searched 11 different waterways for this investigation, 11 different divers involved, some using sonar #sl #rafferty

Kamille
04-04-2012, 11:02 AM
RaffertyLFP: Officers pulled open garbage bags and looked through them. 25 truck loads examined each day.

RaffertyLFP: About 830 tonnes of garbage were searched by police - 366 truck loads

Officers left the site in early May, but returned after Rafferty was arrested.

Nice. Police officers going through likely biohazardous garbage for weeks while the defendent said and did nothing to help bring a resolution to this case. :maddening:

MOO

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:03 AM
First map shows searchers didn't search the area of the scene before July 17th. They were too far south.

Search came within 6.8 kilometres of scene where remains were found.

Police searched the area surrounding the 401 in late May, early June 2009. Looking for chunks of the Honda's back seat or discarded clothing

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:04 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling says OPP and partner police forces covered an area roughly 1.5 times the circumference of the moon in their search for Tori #sl

puppyraiser
04-04-2012, 11:04 AM
Nice. Police officers going through likely biohazardous garbage for weeks while the defendent said and did nothing to help bring a resolution to this case. :maddening:

MOO

Nope, but it seems he's taking an interest in the map displayed of where they searched in Guelph.
AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court

Showing areas the OPP searched around Guelph. Rafferty moves towards the screen for a closer look.

Kamille
04-04-2012, 11:04 AM
I wonder if the evidence was buried in the ground.:banghead::moo: or burned

The evidence was likely at the Cambridge landfill, which they did not check apparently. Because by the time TLM spoke out, it would have been virtually impossible to locate a few trash bags from "somewhere in Cambridge" in a landfill.

MOO

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:05 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Police had searched area where shoes had been located. Stats told them in 56% of cases, evidence discarded within 1 mile of body #sl


Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling showing map of early search, the site of Tori's remains is just north of search area, wasn't covered by police #sl

snoofer
04-04-2012, 11:06 AM
Nice. Police officers going through likely biohazardous garbage for weeks while the defendent said and did nothing to help bring a resolution to this case. :maddening:

MOO

the crown should launch a civil suit against MTR to recoup some of the losses. Oh wait....he didn't work or add to society. IMO They could I suppose sell his whitewashed vehicle. His poor son who has to live in the shadow of this piece of work. IMO I hope he has a loving and responsible mother.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:07 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Stirling says officers walked 51 km along westbound lanes of the Hwy 401 btw Woodstock and Cambridge looking for evidence #sl


Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Map shows that police had initially come within 6.8 km of the site of Tori's remains but didn't find it #sl

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:09 AM
From May 27-June 3, OPP officers walked 51 kilometres along westbound lanes of Hwy 401 from Cambridge to Woodstock looking for evidence

51 kilometres of Hwy. 401 searched for pieces of foam, clothing and hammer. None found.

Officers walked along the 401. 51 kilometers in total.

This search of Hwy 401 did not yield any results, says Stirling

Kamille
04-04-2012, 11:09 AM
Nope, but it seems he's taking an interest in the map displayed of where they searched in Guelph.
AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court

Showing areas the OPP searched around Guelph. Rafferty moves towards the screen for a closer look.

I guess the car seat may be somewhere in the Guelph area then?

MOO

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:12 AM
Next slide shows rock piles police searched in the Guelph/Mount Forest area.

As they were searched, investigators working with McClintic were consulted.


B]Court on 20 minute recess.[/B]

myzzy
04-04-2012, 11:12 AM
I hope that MR did tell them where and what happened to that backseat so so many of us could lay that piece of evidence to rest. Its damning to think why that backseat was missing

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:13 AM
Nope, but it seems he's taking an interest in the map displayed of where they searched in Guelph.
AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court

Showing areas the OPP searched around Guelph. Rafferty moves towards the screen for a closer look.

I hope the jury is just as attentive watching him.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:14 AM
RaffertyLFP:
Court on 20 minute recess. [via Twitter]

Oldsoul2
04-04-2012, 11:34 AM
What happened? Where dd everyone go?

nettie_82
04-04-2012, 11:35 AM
What happened? Where dd everyone go?

Court is on a 20 min break...I guess everyone left WS for a break too :)

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:43 AM
Jury has returned.

RaffertyLFP: Court back in session. Air searches being detailed

OPP Helicopter was used in late May 2009 as part of the search. Helicopter searches never moved north of Arthur.

OPP helicopter used to search areas between Guelph and Fergus. 955 kilometres flown in helicopter search.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 11:43 AM
I hope the jury is just as attentive watching him.

too bad they didn't use retina technology to see what part of map exactly he zeroed in on with his eyes :maddening:IMO

snoofer
04-04-2012, 11:45 AM
Court is on a 20 min break...I guess everyone left WS for a break too :)

was shower time :seeya: hot tub to be exact:woohoo:

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:46 AM
RaffertyLFP:
OPP helicopter used to search areas between Guelph and Fergus. 955 kilometres flown in helicopter search. [via Twitter]

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:47 AM
RaffertyLFP:
A total of 70 rock piles were searched. [via Twitter]

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:47 AM
RaffertyLFP: A total of 70 rock piles were searched.

RaffertyLFP: McClintic was in helicopter for searches on May 21, 22, of 2009.

McClintic was in the helicopter on May 21st and May 22nd.

McClintic searches never made it north of Arthur in the helicopter. Stirling not sure where she went in ground searches.

RaffertyLFP: OPP searched for houses built on angle to road. Stirling said he didn't realize how many such homes there were until this case.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 11:48 AM
RaffertyLFP:
OPP helicopter used to search areas between Guelph and Fergus. 955 kilometres flown in helicopter search. [via Twitter]

so much time and heart invested in that beautiful child. :tyou: LE

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:48 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
Court back after recess. Stirling back detailing search for Tori. Helicopter search focused on Guelph/Fergus, didn't get to Mt. Forest #sl

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:49 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

May 20, 21, 2009 was when McClintic went up in OPP chopper to help aid search, flew 735 km over 2 days #sl #Rafferty

nobodyzgirl
04-04-2012, 11:51 AM
the crown should launch a civil suit against MTR to recoup some of the losses. Oh wait....he didn't work or add to society. IMO They could I suppose sell his whitewashed vehicle. His poor son who has to live in the shadow of this piece of work. IMO I hope he has a loving and responsible mother.

Whose son are you talking about?

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:52 AM
RaffertyLFP: The closest rock pile searched was 18 kilometres from where the remains were found

Stirling was told on July 19th that Detective Staff Sgt. Smyth had located Tori's body. Cell tower 4.7 kms away from crime scene.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:54 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Stirling says OPP searched 70 rock piles around Fergus. As crow flies, closest rock pile was 18 km away from site of Tori’s remains #sl

myzzy
04-04-2012, 11:54 AM
Whose son are you talking about?

I assume they are refering to MR son ( Sorry was thinkingin initially dillian)

snoofer
04-04-2012, 11:55 AM
Whose son are you talking about?

I believe it has been posted several times that MTR has a son...IMO.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 11:55 AM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Cell phone tower that Det-Sgt. Jim Smyth used to help find Tori's remains was 4.7 km from site #sl #Rafferty

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 11:57 AM
Stirling says police searched 70 rock piles for #ToriStafford's remains. Also did number of helicopter searches, incl one w McClintic

Showing thejury overheadshots of the crime scene, from a distance.

Jury being shown maps of scene where remains were found.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:00 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

On a side note, just one member of public in the overflow room today. Main courtroom still busy, but not as many people here today

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:02 PM
too bad they didn't use retina technology to see what part of map exactly he zeroed in on with his eyes :maddening:IMO

That's what I was thinking.....where is the seat and the other evidence Rafferty?

JMO

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:02 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Court now seeing various satellite images of the area around where remains were found #sl #Rafferty

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:02 PM
RaffertyLFP: Aerial photo of scene shown

The jury is seeing satellite views of the scene. Creek, nearby house, lane way and trees are visible.

Investigators did a weather inquiry for that area on April 8th, 2009.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:03 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187570855549743104)The jury is seeing satellite views of the scene. Creek, nearby house, lane way and trees are visible.

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187570878517743617)Aerial photo of scene shown.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:05 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Unlike yesterday, Michael #Rafferty is paying close attention to the maps shown today. Often leaning in to get closer look #sl

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:06 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Jury now seeing satellite and topographical aerial views of the scene where Tori Stafford's remains were found #sl

matou
04-04-2012, 12:07 PM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187571776618893312)Investigators did a weather inquiry for that area on April 8th, 2009.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:09 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187572243629473793)Temperature was as high as 5 degrees at 5 p.m. that day. Went down to zero by 9 p.m. Sunset was at 6:59.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:09 PM
Temperature was as high as 5 degrees at 5 p.m. that day. Went down to zero by 9 p.m. Sunset was at 6:59.

RaffertyLFP: Sunset time was of interest to police. It was at 6:59 pm on April 8, 2009, Stirling said.

Showing the areas police searched in the Mount Forest area after Tori's body was found.

RaffertyLFP: After Tori's remains we're removed from scene, ERT team members searched the area

RaffertyLFP: Police were looking for claw hammer, folding knife, garbage bags, shopping bags, receipts.

Unlike yesterday, Michael #Rafferty is paying close attention to the maps shown today. Often leaning in to get closer look

matou
04-04-2012, 12:13 PM
RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187573100295106560)After Tori's remains we're removed from scene, ERT team members searched the area.

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187572854118825985)Showing the areas police searched in the Mount Forest area after Tori's body was found.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:13 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187573404117893120)Police looked for a claw hammer, a knife, the garbage bags, the Home Depot bag, and other articles.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:14 PM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187573398719840256)Police were looking for claw hammer, folding knife, garbage bags, shopping bags, receipts.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:14 PM
Police looked for a claw hammer, a knife, the garbage bags, the Home Depot bag, and other articles.

Jury now seeing satellite and topographical aerial views of the scene where Tori Stafford's remains were found

Next slide shows where surrounding the scene OPP searched. None were found.

Search over 6 days failed to turn up items.

sillybilly
04-04-2012, 12:15 PM
I trust the Crown will eventually remind the jury that, to this day, MTR has never revealed the location of the back seat. What possible explanation could he have? Evaporation perhaps? ;)

Oldsoul2
04-04-2012, 12:16 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Unlike yesterday, Michael #Rafferty is paying close attention to the maps shown today. Often leaning in to get closer look #sl

Because HE knows where he dumped everything and he wants to see if they searched there

matou
04-04-2012, 12:17 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187574246124429312)Next slide shows where surrounding the scene OPP searched. None were found.

none? none of items, I guess. JMO

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:17 PM
Not sure what happened to CBC Steve and Linda Nguyen. They stopped tweeting.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:19 PM
Police expanded the search. Trying to find items that may have been thrown out of the car.

Found none on highway six, no more questions from Carnegie. Derstine now questions Stirling.

Cross examination of Stirling starting.

Derstine asking about topographical map of crime scene

matou
04-04-2012, 12:19 PM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187574923051532288)Police expanded the search. Trying to find items that may have been thrown out of the car.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:19 PM
GlobalNews.ca‏@globaltvnews

Search for Tori #Stafford http://ow.ly/a4VUJ likely largest in Canadian history, cop testifies at #Rafferty trial

matou
04-04-2012, 12:20 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187574953477017600)Search over 6 days failed to turn up items.

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187575051648905219)Cross examination of Stirling starting.

puppyraiser
04-04-2012, 12:20 PM
Because HE knows where he dumped everything and he wants to see if they searched there
Absolutely. There is no innocent reason for chunks of the seats to have been cut out, nor for the entire thing to be removed. IMO it is doubtful that the damage inflicted on Tori could have been done inside the backseat of a small car. So why would he need to dispose of the seat if there was no sexual assault?

matou
04-04-2012, 12:21 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187575133844680704)Found none on highway six, no more questions from Carnegie. Derstine now questions Stirling.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:21 PM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187575281773576192)Derstine asking about topographical map of crime scene.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:22 PM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187575681977303040)Derstine asks for satellite view of scene... Questions about elevation of the rock pile.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:23 PM
Derstine asks for satellite view of scene... Questions about elevation of the rock pile.

Stirling agrees with Derstine about the elevation. Asks about moving between the fence and rock pile, if it is up hill.

It is up hill, but not steep, Stirling says.

RaffertyLFP: Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line.

RaffertyLFP: Stirling says it would not be a steep grade.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:27 PM
‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187576617088983040)Stirling agrees with Derstine about the elevation. Asks about moving between the fence and rock pile, if it is up hill.

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187576735552905219)It is up hill, but not steep, Stirling says.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:27 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve

Derstine is now questioning Stirling. Focusing on topography of site where Tori's remains were found #sl

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:28 PM
Steven D'Souza‏@cbcsteve
For those asking, #Rafferty is wearing a white shirt and one of the blue striped ties he often wears

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:29 PM
RaffertyLFP:
Stirling says it would not be a steep grade. [via Twitter]


RaffertyLFP:
Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line. [via Twitter]

matou
04-04-2012, 12:29 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187577094463700992)Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line.

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187577252169523200)Stirling says it would not be a steep grade.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:31 PM
RaffertyLFP:
Stirling done on stand, completing Mount Forest chapter of trial. [via Twitter]

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:32 PM
Derstine: Generally, the higher up I am, the further I can see. Stirling agrees, but says that's subject to conditions. No more questions.

RaffertyLFP: Next witness expected to deal with arrests.

RaffertyLFP: Team called on to arrest Michael Rafferty

RaffertyLFP: Det. Sgt. Walter Lima testifying.

Crown has called Walter Lima. Venne handling the questions. He's a 22 year police officer.

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:32 PM
RaffertyLFP:
Next witness expected to deal with arrests. [via Twitter]

matou
04-04-2012, 12:32 PM
‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187578115986427905)Stirling done on stand, completing Mount Forest chapter of trial.

@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187578211591393280)Next witness expected to deal with arrests.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:33 PM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187578225348706306)Stirling agrees in cross that the Mt. Forest field where #ToriStafford (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23ToriStafford) was found had different elevations and vantage points

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187578233401782272)Derstine: Generally, the higher up I am, the further I can see. Stirling agrees, but says that's subject to conditions. No more questions.

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187578566261743616)Det. Sgt. Walter Lima testifying.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:34 PM
Starting Chapter 5 now.

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187578461525778434)Crown has called Walter Lima. Venne handling the questions. He's a 22 year police officer.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:35 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187578686147534848)Team called on to arrest Michael Rafferty.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:35 PM
RaffertyLFP: When arrived at Woodstock address Rafferty's Honda civic not there

RaffertyLFP: Vehicle spotted driving on Woodstock street. It pulled into a lot

matou
04-04-2012, 12:35 PM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187579034815836160)OPP Det. Sgt. Walter Lima is now testifying about #Rafferty (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Rafferty)'s arrest on the evening of May 19, 2009

matou
04-04-2012, 12:36 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187579059323154432)Police searched for Mr. Rafferty's Honda Civic. 2003, dark coloured.

Ardy
04-04-2012, 12:36 PM
I'm really confused about the Crown strategy here.

Why put a witness on the stand who basically says the search revealed nothing?

The only one who gained anything from the testimony was Derstine, who disagreed with Det. Scoyne the other day about the elevation, and this witness confirmed that Derstine was correct.

Am I missing something?

matou
04-04-2012, 12:36 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187579290211196928)Vehicle spotted driving on Woodstock street. It pulled into a lot.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:36 PM
Police searched for Mr. Rafferty's Honda Civic. 2003, dark coloured.

He located the vehicle on Norwich Drive in Woodstock, the followed the vehicle to the GoodLife fitness in Woodstock.

RaffertyLFP: Man got out and walked with bags to Honda Accord. Woman in driver's seat

matou
04-04-2012, 12:37 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187579280895639552)He located the vehicle on Norwich Drive in Woodstock, the followed the vehicle to the GoodLife fitness in Woodstock.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:38 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187579526556033024)Man got out and walked with bags to Honda Accord. Woman in driver's seat.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:38 PM
Rafferty put plastic bags in a Honda Accord at the gym. A woman was driving. Rafferty was getting into the car.

At 7:37 initiated takedown. Vehicle blocked

Lima says they began a take down. Rafferty was arrested for the abduction of Tori Stafford.

Rafferty approached and he verbally identified self. Placed under arrest for abduction of Tori Stafford.

Lima radioed in and was told the charges against Rafferty would be murder

matou
04-04-2012, 12:39 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187579634878128129)Rafferty put plastic bags in a Honda Accord at the gym. A woman was driving. Rafferty was getting into the car.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:39 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187579967926833153)Rafferty approached and he verbally identified self. Placed under arrest for abduction of Tori Stafford.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 12:40 PM
:what:Police searched for Mr. Rafferty's Honda Civic. 2003, dark coloured.

He located the vehicle on Norwich Drive in Woodstock, the followed the vehicle to the GoodLife fitness in Woodstock.

RaffertyLFP: Man got out and walked with bags to Honda Accord. Woman in driver's seat

good lord:what:

matou
04-04-2012, 12:40 PM
@LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187579906887131137)Police waited for #Rafferty (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Rafferty) at his home in Woodstock. He wasn't there. They found him an hr later in the parking lot of Goodlife Fitness

crazyladi
04-04-2012, 12:40 PM
OMG i wonder who the women was and how she is coping now!!!

Alison
04-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Quick reply here before I must go clean my house. Someone said yesterday that it did not make sense that MR would leave TS shirt on while raping her. However it does make sense as rape is not about sexual pleasure but about power and control over the other person. Secondly most women who are raped do not have there shirts taken off, the rapist only removes the necessary clothes to do his awful deed.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:41 PM
Rafferty taken into custody. Honda Civic seized by police.

The woman driving the vehicle Rafferty was getting into was Joy Woods. Identified by her driver's license. No more questions.

No cross examination. Lima done. Court recessing until 2 p.m.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:41 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187580017658703872)Lima says they began a take down. Rafferty was arrested for the abduction of Tori Stafford.

‏ @AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187580207702609920)Rafferty taken into custody. Honda Civic seized by police.

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)


(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187580299453018112)Lima radioed in and was told the charges against Rafferty would be murder.

matou
04-04-2012, 12:41 PM
‏ @LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187580247221346304)Police arrested him in the car of a woman in the parking lot. His own car was seized

matou
04-04-2012, 12:42 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187580567448076289)The woman driving the vehicle Rafferty was getting into was Joy Woods. Identified by her driver's license. No more questions.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 12:42 PM
OMG i wonder who the women was and how she is coping now!!!

lol I wonder if it was the one he told LE about in the audio tape..said he didn't want to tell name as didn't want to ruin it:twocents:

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:42 PM
Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV (https://twitter.com/#%21/cristina_CHCHTV) Tues May 19th, evening, #Rafferty (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Rafferty) arrested, police found him driving his Honda in Woodstock and initiated a takedown. #London (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23London)

12:40 PM - 4 Apr 12 via

1m (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN/status/187579906887131137) Linda Nguyen ‏ @LindaNguyenPN (https://twitter.com/#%21/LindaNguyenPN)

Police waited for #Rafferty (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Rafferty) at his home in Woodstock. He wasn't there. They found him an hr later in the parking lot of Goodlife Fitness

1m (https://twitter.com/#%21/cbcsteve/status/187579861085327360)
Steven D'Souza ‏ @cbcsteve (https://twitter.com/#%21/cbcsteve)

D/Sgt. Walter Lima is up now, talking about the arrest of Michael #Rafferty (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Rafferty) #sl (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23sl)

matou
04-04-2012, 12:42 PM
@RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187580562284875776)No cross examination. Lima done. Court recessing until 2 p.m.

crazyladi
04-04-2012, 12:43 PM
Well it was one of the girls that he didnt give a last name for Snoofer

matou
04-04-2012, 12:44 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187580735673212930)None from Derstine. Lunch break until 2.

Salem
04-04-2012, 12:46 PM
We have the woman's name now in the one tweet. From here on out, please use her initials.

She would be an innocent party/victim and we don't need to have her name all over our pages.

Thanks!

Salem

sillybilly
04-04-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm really confused about the Crown strategy here.

Why put a witness on the stand who basically says the search revealed nothing?

The only one who gained anything from the testimony was Derstine, who disagreed with Det. Scoyne the other day about the elevation, and this witness confirmed that Derstine was correct.

Am I missing something?

I could be wrong Ardy, but I think it is to show the exhausting search while MTR was of no help whatsoever, even though the defence has admitted his knowledge of the crime and subsequent disposal of items. Not to mention that the Crown has to let the jury know that they did in fact search for evidence.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 12:50 PM
We know that JW was older than MR

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:53 PM
I'm really confused about the Crown strategy here.

Why put a witness on the stand who basically says the search revealed nothing?

The only one who gained anything from the testimony was Derstine, who disagreed with Det. Scoyne the other day about the elevation, and this witness confirmed that Derstine was correct.

Am I missing something?

To show precisely the impact and resources expended by Canadian Law Enforcement Agencies and the Community as a whole, as they searched in vain for the missing child and the evidence, as a direct result of the accused, his crime and lack of disclosure.

JMO

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:55 PM
12:27
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Stirling says it would not be a steep grade. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png
12:27
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:55 PM
2:31
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Next witness expected to deal with arrests. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png
12:31
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Stirling done on stand, completing Mount Forest chapter of trial. [via Twitter]

Ardy
04-04-2012, 12:57 PM
I could be wrong Ardy, but I think it is to show the exhausting search while MTR was of no help whatsoever, even though the defence has admitted his knowledge of the crime and subsequent disposal of items. Not to mention that the Crown has to let the jury know that they did in fact search for evidence.

Thanks........maybe it leads into finding evidence later.

Everyone must be wondering what was in the plastic bags MR put into JW car.

Is it possible that MR kept the bags from the crime scene for over a month?

But, if that was true..........didn't TLM testify they threw everything out?

Guess we will find out shortly..........

Alice Ramnit
04-04-2012, 12:57 PM
Imagine that. 13,800 people involved in the search for Victoria and one guy zipping around town in his recently converted two seater car who could have solved the whole case for them the night of the abduction. :waitasec:

MOO

So there were actually 12,799 people searching for Tori!

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 12:57 PM
We have the woman's name now in the one tweet. From here on out, please use her initials.

She would be an innocent party/victim and we don't need to have her name all over our pages.

Thanks!

Salem

Hi Salem,

Just for clarification. If JW is mentioned in MSM articles and it is revealed who she is, is it ok to sleuth her? TIA

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 12:57 PM
12:38
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:

At 7:37 initiated takedown. Vehicle blocked. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png


12:36
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:

Man got out and walked with bags to Honda Accord. Woman in driver's seat. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png


12:36
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:

Vehicle spotted driving on Woodstock street. It pulled into a lot. [via Twitter]

sillybilly
04-04-2012, 12:57 PM
The only one who gained anything from the testimony was Derstine, who disagreed with Det. Scoyne the other day about the elevation, and this witness confirmed that Derstine was correct.

Am I missing something?<rsbm>

The witness agreed with Derstine re the elevation of the rock pile but disagreed on the grade between the rock pile and the fence (Derstine says steep grade while witness says not very steep).

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 01:00 PM
Tori Stafford trial: Search was largest in OPP history
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1156481--tori-stafford-trial-search-was-largest-in-opp-history-officer-testifies

~n/t~
04-04-2012, 01:01 PM
BBL Have a good lunch everyone!

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 01:02 PM
Equivalent to 1 1/2 Times around the Moon?

OMG. :(

So many kind, wonderful people. 13,900 GOOD people.

More than 13,900 people were involved in the search and they covered more than 18,000 kilometres from April 18 to mid-July, said Det-Sgt. Jamie Stirling, the OPP’s Emergency and Rescue Coordinator.


“They went one-and-a-half-times around the moon,” said Stirling. “Definitely the largest seen in the history.” The circumference of the moon is 10,800 km, he pointed out to the jury.


http://www.thespec.com/news/article/699096--tori-stafford-search-the-longest-in-opp-history

Oldsoul2
04-04-2012, 01:04 PM
So they had to hunt him down living his life as if everything is fine and dandy. I can't wait for the next testimony on what happened when they arrested him. It will definitely tell the tale to the jury. By this point, here he is going to the gym, saying to LE that he knows TLM but not that well, knows nothing about the crime just heard about it meanwhile they, the jury, have already heard to this point that he was in fact there. Interesting. Derstine you have quite the challenge ahead IMO

Wondergirl
04-04-2012, 01:04 PM
Imagine that. 13,800 people involved in the search for Victoria and one guy zipping around town in his recently converted two seater car who could have solved the whole case for them the night of the abduction. :waitasec:

MOO

OMG, put in that perspective, it is even more sickening. Ugh.

Salem
04-04-2012, 01:12 PM
Hi Salem,

Just for clarification. If JW is mentioned in MSM articles and it is revealed who she is, is it ok to sleuth her? TIA

Not unless she really has some connection to this case. At this point it appears that she is just someone that knew MR and/or gave him a ride. Maybe she dated him, maybe they were old school chums BUT that does NOT involve her in the case.

It is not fair to drag innocents through our pages just because they knew someone. There has to be a solid connection to the case at hand, kwim?

HTH,

Salem

Tahorn
04-04-2012, 01:16 PM
I wonder if she will be called to the stand.

crazyladi
04-04-2012, 01:24 PM
I am wondering how many women he knew will be on the stand. That should be coming up soon I would think.

nettie_82
04-04-2012, 01:25 PM
It would be interesting to see MTR mugshot from his arrest to see if he had cold sores at that point showing how stressed he was?

Delaware
04-04-2012, 01:44 PM
I agree with everyone who is talking about the back seat of the car which is so mysteriously missing! If MR did not sexually assault that girl then there would be no reason for him to conceal the location of the seat and not assist LE in finding it! Oh right, I forgot, his lawyer says he only helped to clean up the mess at the scene (*pfffffttt whatever!*).

Thanks to all those who are providing us with the tweet updates because without them, I have no doubt I wouldn't be able to keep up while working most days! You folks are awesome!

JUSTICE FOR VICTORIA ELIZABETH STAFFORD AND HER LOVED ONES!

crazyladi
04-04-2012, 01:47 PM
I agree with everyone who is talking about the back seat of the car which is so mysteriously missing! If MR did not sexually assault that girl then there would be no reason for him to conceal the location of the seat and not assist LE in finding it! Oh right, I forgot, his lawyer says he only helped to clean up the mess at the scene (*pfffffttt whatever!*).

Thanks to all those who are providing us with the tweet updates because without them, I have no doubt I wouldn't be able to keep up while working most days! You folks are awesome!

JUSTICE FOR VICTORIA ELIZABETH STAFFORD AND HER LOVED ONES!

Well that the thing. If he doesn't take the stand and say where the seat is or what he did with it he is leaving it to the jury to make the assumption and that wouldnt help his case. I just dont get it.

paris_paris
04-04-2012, 01:49 PM
Maybe JW could shed some light on when the back seat disappeared. If a day could be pinpointed, then phone pings may help find the location.

It sounds like he was meeting her at Goodlife. Had plastic bags with him... going from his car to hers. It's possible he was planning to go into hiding. She would be able to help with that info too.

crazyladi
04-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Maybe JW could shed some light on when the back seat disappeared. If a day could be pinpointed, then phone pings may help find the location.

It sounds like he was meeting her at Goodlife. Had plastic bags with him... going from his car to hers. It's possible he was planning to go into hiding. She would be able to help with that info too.

Maybe he was going to stay over at her house and was bringing clothes with him?

Juris_Prudence
04-04-2012, 01:53 PM
Original comment asked who the woman was but I have deleted it because since I have caught up, I noticed the woman's name was already mentioned. Maybe we will find out more information about the woman and her connection to MR later. I was thinking maybe she was a drug dealer or someone he sold to but maybe not. If she is not pertinent to the case at hand then it doesn't matter I guess.

Ardy
04-04-2012, 01:59 PM
12:27
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Stirling says it would not be a steep grade. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png
12:27
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1862937618/trialavatar_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/RaffertyLFP)RaffertyLFP:
Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line. [via Twitter] http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/icons/fb_share2.png

I believe Derstine and Scoyne disagreed on if there was any incline or not, not the degree of the incline.

Prior to the tweets you referenced, LE agreed with Derstine there is in fact an incline.

Not much I agree..........but Derstine did purposefully establish that.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:00 PM
have there ever been any family of Rafferty's in court?

I've been told no. But, lots of people. Impossible to know 100%.

Mike Knoll: - we have been told by Rafferty's lawyer that no family members are present.

we've been on lunch break. About to return.

Tahorn
04-04-2012, 02:05 PM
have there ever been any family of Rafferty's in court?

I've been told no. But, lots of people. Impossible to know 100%.

Mike Knoll: - we have been told by Rafferty's lawyer that no family members are present.

we've been on lunch break. About to return.


If thay are going to be called to testify the will not be in the court room...I think.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:06 PM
The jury is back in the courtroom. Ready to begin

RaffertyLFP: Sgt. Neil Butler called as next witness by the crown

Sgt. Neil Butler has been called by the crown.

Butler is presently employed by Woodstock Police; has been an officer for 23 years

RaffertyLFP: Butler participated in 'drive-along tours' with Terri-Lynne McClintic.

He was an Identification Constable when Tori went missing.

Hello_Kitty
04-04-2012, 02:07 PM
Search far exceeded the number involved in search after the killing of the Regiers in Huron County

Stirling explaining the process of a missing persons case.

Also explaining how officers involved in the search are trained.

BBM: Here is a link to the Regiers case, it's interesting because of the sentence Jesse Imeson got.

http://pbdba.lfpress.com/perl-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=248353&s=manhunt

‏ @RaffertyLFP (https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/RaffertyLFP/status/187573398719840256)Police were looking for claw hammer, folding knife, garbage bags, shopping bags, receipts.


BBM: Hmmm, why were they looking for the knive, I thought they found that among MR's possession?

@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187579634878128129)Rafferty put plastic bags in a Honda Accord at the gym. A woman was driving. Rafferty was getting into the car.


BBM I wonder if those are the left-over garbage bags.

So they had to hunt him down living his life as if everything is fine and dandy. I can't wait for the next testimony on what happened when they arrested him. It will definitely tell the tale to the jury. By this point, here he is going to the gym, saying to LE that he knows TLM but not that well, knows nothing about the crime just heard about it meanwhile they, the jury, have already heard to this point that he was in fact there. Interesting. Derstine you have quite the challenge ahead IMO

I can see why the crown has the chapters in that order :)

swedie
04-04-2012, 02:07 PM
@AM980_Court (https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court)

(https://twitter.com/#%21/AM980_Court/status/187579634878128129)Rafferty put plastic bags in a Honda Accord at the gym. A woman was driving. Rafferty was getting into the car.


:what:Wonder who the woman driving the Honda Accord was? Girlfriend 1, girlfriend 2, girlfriend 3... ? We know it wasn't TLM as she was in the detention centre. Maybe his mom? Will this woman be called to testify? :moo::moo:

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:08 PM
Tori Stafford trial: Autopsy doesn't show who killed girl: pathologist http://bit.ly/Hequll #ToriStafford #Rafferty

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:09 PM
RaffertyLFP: Butler is an identification constable; talking about the process of admitting prisoners into Woodstock police station.

RaffertyLFP: Butler came into contact with Rafferty in the early morning hours of May 20, 2009.

RaffertyLFP: Butler says he seized his closing in the 4am hour on the 20th of May; fingerprinted at 8:15 that day

Rafferty was brought to Woodstock Police HQ on May 19th.

Butler came into contact with Rafferty on May 20th, 2009. His clothes were seized at 4:07 a.m.

Hello_Kitty
04-04-2012, 02:11 PM
:what:Wonder who the woman driving the Honda Accord was? Girlfriend 1, girlfriend 2, girlfriend 3... ? We know it wasn't TLM as she was in the detention centre. Maybe his mom? Will this woman be called to testify? :moo::moo:

It was his current girlfreind Swedie

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Butler says Rafferty was 5-9, 176 pounds, 28 years old at the time of the arrest; medium complextion, brown hair, blonde hi-lights, goatee

Rafferty was removed from his cell to have personal information data entry, mug shot taken.

Rafferty had blond highlights at the time of the arrest. Also had a goatee.

RaffertyLFP: Jury shown arrest mugshots of McClintic and Rafferty.

Showing the jury Rafferty and McClintic's mug shots.

snoofer
04-04-2012, 02:12 PM
I could be wrong Ardy, but I think it is to show the exhausting search while MTR was of no help whatsoever, even though the defence has admitted his knowledge of the crime and subsequent disposal of items. Not to mention that the Crown has to let the jury know that they did in fact search for evidence.

Obviously money would have had no bearing in the search for Tori..glady and heartfeltly done. IMO Think about this...his actions costed IMO millions to the province, hundreds of men and women and thousands of hours of work, on top of the horrific days, weeks, months and years.....in human toll on this family...what because of MTR????? If someone can..just do that....yep just cause all that...the same type of mentality goes into what he is accused of IMO. Who does that?:twocents:

swedie
04-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Rafferty taken into custody. Honda Civic seized by police.

The woman driving the vehicle Rafferty was getting into was Joy Woods. Identified by her driver's license. No more questions.

No cross examination. Lima done. Court recessing until 2 p.m.

Oops my post above. I asked too soon. What number is this girlfriend? Or is she a girlfriend? I remember him speaking of a Joy during police interview but he would not give her last name. Can someone refresh my memory who MR said Joy was to him? TIA:moo:

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:15 PM
McClintic went through the same process as Rafferty.

Butler asked by Derstine if there are 15 elementary schools in Woodstock. Says the number "sounds fair". Derstine lists them all.

Derstine lists 15 public schools; Butler done on the stand.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:16 PM
In cross, Derstine lists off 15 elementary schools in Woodstock to see if Butler has heard of them. Yes he replies. That concludes cross.

No more questions. Venne calls Detective Constable Ralph Christmas.

Crown's next witness is Ralph Christmas; retired OPP officer, employed 30 years - was working with Huron County crime unit as Det. Const

He's a retired OPP officer. Worked with police for 30 years.

Sailor Bug
04-04-2012, 02:19 PM
RaffertyLFP: Christmas referring to notebook re: May 19, 09; working in Woodstock that day - was assigned to secure 2 vehicles that day for forensic ID.

He was working in Woodstock on May 19th. He was assigned to take Rafferty's vehicle into custody, along with another vehicle.

Christmas says cars were a dark blue 4-door Honda Civic and a black Honda Accord. Says civic in bad condition, Accord in good condition

snoofer
04-04-2012, 02:19 PM
RaffertyLFP:
Stirling says it would not be a steep grade. [via Twitter]


RaffertyLFP:
Derstine and Stirling disagreeing how steep the walk would be from the stone pile east to a tree line. [via Twitter]

Let me guess...on one of the supposed returns to the area defense will say it was too slippery for him to have gone up that incline that day....yadda yadda blah blah blah:twocents:

snoofer
04-04-2012, 02:21 PM
It would be interesting to see MTR mugshot from his arrest to see if he had cold sores at that point showing how stressed he was?

i would like to see a picture of him on the 9th! and not that black and white grainy one from the cash machine IMO