17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21 [Archive] - Page 4

rossva

04-11-2012, 11:13 AM

Turn himself in for what? I can't see Cory telling some one that, "hey, we're gonna arrest you in 72 hours".

ITA...all this took place over the phone. GZ's hiding, has been since day two probably...can he waive his legal rights over the phone? I'm guessing he can as long as the SA has it recorded or else there's no proof...and a good attorney will get that thrown out...under a technicality...

I'm truly wondering if this 72 hour wait has to do with ACory giving GZ time to turn himself in peacefully...
I believe ACory has access to the autopsy report and can't wait to see that myself. That will be the driving force to charge GZ or not..along with the alleged racial slur..if that is heard, his charge would be elevated...and his account of things must match the evidence she uncovers..if its found he did not follow the dispatchers instructions to not follow, that turns his defense in the opposite direction..then the rest would be gravy...

HiHater

04-11-2012, 11:14 AM

Turn himself in for what? I can't see Cory telling some one that, "hey, we're gonna arrest you in 72 hours".

Why not? Are people not given notice like that, to either turn themselves in or be arrested?

JeannaT

04-11-2012, 11:14 AM

Until the rally's and the media coverage, the investigation WAS over.

Well, the tox tests were (and still are) out.

annalia

04-11-2012, 11:16 AM

I have never seen anyone come out to defend themselves while a case is still under investigation.Any actual evidence that exists is in the hands of investigation where it should be,not the front page of a newspaper just so those in the public whose questions have not been answered are satisfied.In most investigations parents are not told all of whats going on until the investigation is over.JMO

You haven't?

I have, just to name a few;

Scott Peterson
Drew Peterson
Joran Van Der Sloot

JMHO

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 11:17 AM

um....Isn't there something about the burden shifting when you claim the SYG defense?

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 11:18 AM

Turn himself in for what? I can't see Cory telling some one that, "hey, we're gonna arrest you in 72 hours".

I can see it, especially if he's no where close to Florida...........

LiveLaughLuv

04-11-2012, 11:18 AM

Does this make any sense?

If the Special Prosecutor was not planning on charging George Zimmerman she could have talked to him all he wanted to.

I think because she refused to talk to him it means charges are coming.

It does make sense Dr.Fessel...makes perfect sense and I do believe a manslaughter charge is on the horizon...I believe she will go with what that homicide detective wanted to charge GZ with...as long as she sees what the detective saw to draw his attention to a manslaughter change since he felt it's not s SYG defense...

SA's office could also be gearing up for a backlash either way..If GZ is charged, his supporters won't be happy..If he's not charged, TM's supporters won't be happy...either way, someone is unhappy..but as long as justice is the priority, whatever happens they will have to live with it..

I wonder if the National Guard is on alert....

Sensei

04-11-2012, 11:18 AM

You haven't?

I have, just to name a few;

Scott Peterson
Drew Peterson
Joran Van Der Sloot

JMHO

Kobe Bryant
Duke LaCrosse
Jonbenet Ramsey

Karmady

04-11-2012, 11:19 AM

Does this make any sense?

If the Special Prosecutor was not planning on charging George Zimmerman she could have talked to him all he wanted to.

I think because she refused to talk to him it means charges are coming.

Imo, there is no way she would have talked to him. Charges or not. You are not permitted to have any ex parte contact with a represented individual, particularly in connection with the very matter they are being represented on, regardless of whether there are charges coming. Just for example, if there is a non-party witness to a case and that non-party is represented by counsel, you still cannot contact that party directly -- even to discuss a matter as trivial as when or where their deposition will take place. That is true whether or not there is any basis whatsoever for potential civil or criminal liability on the part of the witness. jmo

annalia

04-11-2012, 11:19 AM

Why not? Are people not given notice like that, to either turn themselves in or be arrested?

I'm not 100% sure how it always works, but didn't GZ's now former attorney say just that, that GZ would turn himself in? How could he have done that if he isn't given notice?

JMHO

rossva

04-11-2012, 11:19 AM

BBM IMO, that is the understatement of the year.

I worry about this 72 hours thing. That is a long time. He could be long gone at that point, or take his life by that point. The SA is taking a huge gamble by waiting 72 more hours. Or maybe she knows something we don't know and it will all be okay, I don't know. I just hope he didn't promise to turn himself in and then doesn't turn around and kill himself instead.

Thinking about it, why would they trust anything he says to them anyway? As a show of good faith? This whole thing doesn't make any sense.

And I seriously think these two lawyers took a page from Cheney Mason's book. What is it with lawyers near retirement age acting like this? You'd think they'd want to go out with a good reputation, not destroy their reputation. Or maybe it's just lawyers near retirement in Florida.

gxm

04-11-2012, 11:21 AM

Two things I check the paper for each morning:

1. GZ's arrest
2. SCOTUS throwing out the Affordable Care Act

IMO, it's just a matter of time.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 11:22 AM

um....Isn't there something about the burden shifting when you claim the SYG defense?

Talking about that on HLN now. You are right about burden of proof in SYG it is on the defense.

Dr.Fessel

04-11-2012, 11:23 AM

Imo, there is no way she would have talked to him. Charges or not. You are not permitted to have any ex parte contact with a represented individual, particularly in connection with the very matter they are being represented on, regardless of whether there are charges coming. Just for example, if there is a non-party witness to a case and that non-party is represented by counsel, you still cannot contact that party directly -- even to discuss a matter as trivial as when or where their deposition will take place. That is true whether or not there is any basis whatsoever for potential civil or criminal liability on the part of the witness. jmo Yep you are right.

Velouria

04-11-2012, 11:23 AM

Thankfully the justice system is not set up where one has to prove their innocence.

Except when you claim you killed someone in self-defense. There should be more than just your word as a defendant to support the use of deadly force.

nursebeeme

04-11-2012, 11:24 AM

nancdru

04-11-2012, 11:24 AM

FWIW, attorneys "fire" their clients all the time, usually for lack of cooperation. I can certainly see criminal defense attorneys throwing in the towel on a client who contacts the prosecutor's office directly without their advice and consent, conducts an interview with a national pundit, or, even if only hinted at, has some hinky financial accounting related to his case. Regardless of the attorneys' unconventional ad lib during the press conference, I can't blame them for their CYA actions.

gxm

04-11-2012, 11:24 AM

Except when you claim you killed someone in self-defense. There should be more than just your word as a defendant to support the use of deadly force.

I completely agree. That's why these laws need to be fixed. People are getting away with murder.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

mysteriew

04-11-2012, 11:27 AM

Even if he is unrepresented, the SA's office cannot speak to him unless he executes a specific waiver of his right to Councel, otherwise that is denying him his Miranda rights

You have a right to remain silent
You have a right to an Attorney ect..

They can't get around that, he has to legally waive that right before they can speak to him without an Attorney.

It sounds to me like he did legally waive his rights to an attorney. From what I have read he said they weren't really his attorneys, just advisors. And that he wanted to represent himself. Under those conditions he can talk to them.

As far as the attorneys, he may have had a verbal agreement with them. But he has the right to fire them at any time. As long as he is considered competent he can even act against his attorney's advice.

And I would guess the special prosecutor probably called the attorneys to advise them as a "professional curtesy." Letting them know that the person they thought was their client, really wasn't.

jaded cat

04-11-2012, 11:28 AM

Well, the tox tests were (and still are) out.

The problem with that is tox tests weren't done on GZ, only TM. Unless of course, the SPD report is wrong :what:

atthelake

04-11-2012, 11:30 AM

I knew better than to follow another case in Florida.:banghead:

Understand where you are coming from, but I am so very glad that I did as I now can light a candle for someone often and keep the *after*case alive for the "other" case, in addition to meeting and getting to know many fellow :websleuther: and mods VERY well over the years that now are here in this thread. :grouphug:

Perhaps more of such through this case as I'm getting to know folks much better in this case it seems.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 11:31 AM

Except when you claim you killed someone in self-defense. There should be more than just your word as a defendant to support the use of deadly force.

Exactly. All we have is GZ's word, and that's just not good enough. That is the point here, that GZ should have to prove that excessive force was necessary to save his life from Trayvon. It just hasn't appeared to be that way at all, actually the opposite, all IMO.

waltzingmatilda

04-11-2012, 11:33 AM

Well, the tox tests were (and still are) out.

JennaT, Do you, or anyone else, know if GZ was drug/alcohol tested at the police station? I have heard that toxicology tests were performed on Trayvon but haven't heard anything definate about GZ.

IMO, GZ's speech sounds slurred in the 911 call as opposed to his speech in his voicemail to his neighbor that was reported in MSM.

I am not intending to bash GZ, just saying that IMO there was a notable difference in the speech and voice inflections in the two recordings and searching for answers.

If SPD didn't test GZ for drugs or alcohol then that was a major fail on SPD's part.

moo

wm

HiHater

04-11-2012, 11:33 AM

Exactly. All we have is GZ's word, and that's just not good enough. That is the point here, that GZ should have to prove that excessive force was necessary to save his life from Trayvon. It just hasn't appeared to be that way at all, actually the opposite, all IMO.

GZ will have to prove that if there are charges. He will either have to convince a judge or a jury. MOO

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 11:33 AM

When former Inmate CA had the Grand Jury indicted, they told her to turn herself in..but they were following close behind her and thought she was running so they stopped her dead in her tracks on the interstate...It does happen..folk are given the opportunity to turn themselves in, which also looks good for them..so, it can and does happen..sorry you don't think so...:what:

It was the same thing with Scott Peterson. When they indicted him on the murder charges for Laci and Connor, he was picked up after undercover cops followed him and realized that he was probably about to bolt. He had all sorts of supplies and money in the trunk of his car.

~jmo~

LiveLaughLuv

04-11-2012, 11:34 AM

The problem with that is tox tests weren't done on GZ, only TM. Unless of course, the SPD report is wrong :what:

Yep, distrubing...SPD should have...

Some think GZ sounded 'drunk' on those 911 calls..his speech was slurred and yet, the police didn't test him? Shouldn't that be standard???

I think SPD botched this from the start..they should have treated GZ as a suspect ... tox reports, GSR...blood splatter, bullet entry...autospy...he should have been told the investigation was still ongoing and that he should not attempt the leave the state of Florida...Now, he might be gone...would his family know where he's at and would they give him up?

This is getting really frightening...I certainly hope someone has a handle on GZ..

Sensei

04-11-2012, 11:34 AM

It sounds to me like he did legally waive his rights to an attorney. From what I have read he said they weren't really his attorneys, just advisors. And that he wanted to represent himself. Under those conditions he can talk to them.

As far as the attorneys, he may have had a verbal agreement with them. But he has the right to fire them at any time. As long as he is considered competent he can even act against his attorney's advice.

And I would guess the special prosecutor probably called the attorneys to advise them as a "professional curtesy." Letting them know that the person they thought was their client, really wasn't.

I could be entirely wrong, but I do believe an arrest is coming. IF he could and did waive his rights over the phone, (which I don't believe that she would accept because it may end up being problematic, how do you know who you are talking to on the phone?) If she did talk to him, and he said something that she could use to charge him, or use in Court I can see a huge legal wrangle over it, and it possibly being tossed....

You would never take that chance if you want to charge someone and take them to Court since there is a less than fifty percent chance that it would survive and ever be heard anyway, let alone the challenge to his Miranda rights and so forth.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 11:34 AM

GZ will have to prove that if there are charges. He will either have to convince a judge or a jury. MOO

Yes, sorry, that is what I meant. There should be charges and then he should have to prove excessive use of force. It all depends on what the SA decides.

grandmaj

04-11-2012, 11:36 AM

my thoughts on the tox test results: ((:moo:))

I bet dimes to donuts they are back and we just are not privy to them. I do not think the prosecutor will move on anything until they are back and figured into the decision making process of charges vs no charges.

(moo and all that)

I agree nurse. On average 4 to 6 weeks generally for final results. It has been that, but also, priority can be assigned for cases when they need the results sooner. IMO evidence in this case is not going to be released by anyone but the special prosecutor .

JeannaT

04-11-2012, 11:36 AM

The problem with that is tox tests weren't done on GZ, only TM. Unless of course, the SPD report is wrong :what:

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

suspicious1

04-11-2012, 11:36 AM

Pure speculation: Trayvon was either shot in the back or from a further distance than we have been led to believe.

JMO IMO MOO

We're on the same page. The autopsy report is going to tell the tale. I find it weird though that not even Crump has seen this report? IMO, either Tray was shot in the back which would show that he was trying to get away from GZ or he was shot standing up with longer distance between the two which would mean to me that GZ had another option to diffuse the situation.....RUN. A shot in the back would also explain him laying face down he could've fell forward from the impact. I wonder why GZ sat on his back afterwards? I still can't figure that one out.

Jmo

JeannaT

04-11-2012, 11:38 AM

We're on the same page. The autopsy report is going to tell the tale. I find it weird though that not even Crump has seen this report? IMO, either Tray was shot in the back which would show that he was trying to get away from GZ or he was shot standing up with longer distance between the two which would mean to me that GZ had another option to diffuse the situation.....RUN. A shot in the back would also explain him laying face down he could've fell forward from the impact. I wonder why GZ sat on his back afterwards? I still can't figure that one out.

Jmo

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

annalia

04-11-2012, 11:39 AM

Yep, distrubing...SPD should have...

Some think GZ sounded 'drunk' on those 911 calls..his speech was slurred and yet, the police didn't test him? Shouldn't that be standard???

I think SPD botched this from the start..they should have treated GZ as a suspect ... tox reports, GSR...blood splatter, bullet entry...autospy...he should have been told the investigation was still ongoing and that he should not attempt the leave the state of Florida...Now, he might be gone...would his family know where he's at and would they give him up?

This is getting really frightening...I certainly hope someone has a handle on GZ..

BBM

You would think so but that always seems to get brushed off. :waitasec:

And since they didn't do any tox tests on GZ, what is the significance of Trayvon's tox tests?

Say they found pot in his system, that means it proves that he wasn't really walking home from the store? We know that pot stays in your system for a certain period of time, so what will that prove?

JMHO

cityslick

04-11-2012, 11:40 AM

GZ will have to prove that if there are charges. He will either have to convince a judge or a jury. MOO

It's also going to come down to what the witnesses saw or heard. If he really did sustain injuries, I would think it would then come down to the fight/scuffle, who saw what, who was really screaming, who was on top of who, etc.

Sensei

04-11-2012, 11:40 AM

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

you think they might have noticed impairment that they could not contribute to a hard whack on the head?

If they thought he was acting funny because he was hit on the head, then they should have sent him to hospital for tests.

If they noticed no such impairment, nothing at all to indicate that he had in fact been hit on the head hard, then where do we put the information that he was in fear of his life because of being hit on the head.

not a blasted thing about that scenario makes any sense at all including the location of the marks on his head. IMO JMHO and stuff.

mysteriew

04-11-2012, 11:40 AM

I could be entirely wrong, but I do believe an arrest is coming. IF he could and did waive his rights over the phone, (which I don't believe that she would accept because it may end up being problematic, how do you know who you are talking to on the phone?) If she did talk to him, and he said something that she could use to charge him, or use in Court I can see a huge legal wrangle over it, and it possibly being tossed....

You would never take that chance if you want to charge someone and take them to Court since there is a less than fifty percent chance that it would survive and ever be heard anyway, let alone the challenge to his Miranda rights and so forth.

Good points.

The other possibility is that he made an appointment to come in and talk with her unrepresented. And that she is saying she won't have the news for 72 hours because she doesn't want media camped out on her doorstep in between time.

angelmom

04-11-2012, 11:42 AM

Not sure a broken nose would show up on an x-ray, unless the part of the skull that is attached to the cartilage forming the bridge of the nose is also broken. In reality a broken nose isn't really 'broken', but is a case where the cartilage is torn/ separated. A look at the front of a skull would tell more in terms of how the cartilage is attached to the skull.

I don't think that's true. I broke my nose on the steering wheel in a minor car accident (no seatbelt :blushing: ) and they took x-rays. They showed me where it was broken, even though it was a very slight fracture that I didn't even have to have treated.

Also, I was transported by ambulance for my own safety since I had hit my head. There were no ifs ands or buts about it.

That was a long time ago, but it was in Florida.

suspicious1

04-11-2012, 11:46 AM

KateNY

04-11-2012, 11:48 AM

Trayvon Martin's coach breaks silence

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/11/trayvon-martins-coach-breaks-silence/?hpt=ng_mid

thanks for that, hadn't seen it

"he didn't have a mean bone in his body"......

mikeysmommom

04-11-2012, 11:49 AM

Until the rally's and the media coverage, the investigation WAS over.

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

waltzingmatilda

04-11-2012, 11:53 AM

Understand where you are coming from, but I am so very glad that I did as I now can light a candle for someone often and keep the *after*case alive for the "other" case, in addition to meeting and getting to know many fellow :websleuther: and mods VERY well over the years that now are here in this thread. :grouphug:

Perhaps more of such through this case as I'm getting to know folks much better in this case it seems.

I am honored to be here with you and everyone else for this case, atthelake!
I've met many friends during the Caylee and Oklahoma girls and other cases since I joined WS in 2008 so I plan to ride this one out with you all. And, we have the best mods ever!

My post was due to my frushtration at the circus atmosphere that has enveloped this case and I didn't mean to offend. {{{Group hug backatcha:)}}}

wm

AngelWings444

04-11-2012, 11:54 AM

IMO They did not portray him as a whack job,just as someone who has had their world turned upside down due to having to defend himself. I would imagine only someone like a gang member who has killed for sport would not be affected by having to shoot a 17yr old.JMO
GZ seemed pretty cool and collected that evening. IMO - it didn't seem to affect him much.

In regards to having an x-ray done of his nose, maybe he did and maybe he didn't. An x-ray could show an old break. IMO - GZ's nose was not broken that evening, nor was his head beaten on the concrete, as it's been reported by GZ's friends/family/attorneys. The police video speaks volumes, no blood, no broken nose, no beating of his head into the concrete. Both of these types of wounds bleed severely, no way to avoid blood on his clothing. Maybe he got a bump on his head? Huge difference. I wonder if the bump on George's head resembles the bump you would receive from the handle of a gun. :waitasec:

JMO - IMO

nursebeeme

04-11-2012, 11:55 AM

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

I agree with this in part (I agree that he is not dead and the paramedics may have noted impairment but not necessarily)

That being said I do not agree that the SPD should not have conducted a thorough investigation including drug/alcohol testing on the GZ who had just shot an unarmed kid. All they had was his (GZ) word. That is not how you conduct an investigation. They should have treated it like any other shooting and homicide investigation imhoo.

I think all kinds of heads will roll over the way they conducted the investigation imhoo.

Well, actually didn't the chief already step down iirc?

jaded cat

04-11-2012, 11:57 AM

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

If he was claiming a head injury, impairment prior to the confrontation is irrelevant. I've never heard of someone who shot someone and claimed self defense not being tested for drugs or alcohol. That is simple standard police procedure.

BBM

What contributed to his death was a bullet. I very much doubt drugs caused that, unless the person using the drugs was GZ.

jaded cat

04-11-2012, 11:59 AM

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

TM's parents would be entitled to have the results of the autopsy report on their son. TM was a minor child, in the eyes of the law. And they certainly knew what they saw when they viewed their son's body, in terms of physical injuries to TM. No reason to expect them to say anything about that.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 11:59 AM

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

Usually when the decision to bring no charges is made, that stops the investigation. Why would they continue to investigate if they decided there was nothing that needed to be investigated?

Sensei

04-11-2012, 12:01 PM

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

That is what the Police Chief SAID, in fact when the media started covering this and there were demands for a reinvestigation Chief Lee stated in one publication that he was confident in his department's work, that their investigation was thorough and complete and he welcomed anyone to come in and look over their investigation....

IOW, he is stating that the investigation was OVER...

BetteDavisEyes

04-11-2012, 12:01 PM

AG vows thorough review in Trayvon Martin case
By PETE YOST and SUZANNE GAMBOA, AP
16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that the Justice Department will take appropriate action in the killing of Trayvon Martin if it finds evidence that a federal criminal civil rights crime has been committed.

The attorney general made the comments in an appearance before a civil rights organization founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton.

Holder said the department will conduct a thorough and independent review of the evidence in the Martin matter. One of the department's top priorities, said Holder, is preventing and combating youth violence and victimization.

The Justice Department launched an investigation of the Martin killing three weeks ago...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120411/US.Holder.Trayvon.Martin/

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 12:02 PM

Trayvon's parents will be holding a press conference today at 1 p.m. HLN will carry live.

RANCH

04-11-2012, 12:03 PM

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?

Sensei

04-11-2012, 12:08 PM

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?

Apart from some religious objections, why would an innocent person refuse?

particularly when they just shot someone? I think they could have arrested him and got a court order for the test if they had been so inclined.

Elley Mae

04-11-2012, 12:12 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

ThoughtFox

04-11-2012, 12:13 PM

I don't think that's true. I broke my nose on the steering wheel in a minor car accident (no seatbelt :blushing: ) and they took x-rays. They showed me where it was broken, even though it was a very slight fracture that I didn't even have to have treated.

Also, I was transported by ambulance for my own safety since I had hit my head. There were no ifs ands or buts about it.

That was a long time ago, but it was in Florida.

Yeah, but you had an x-ray and you were taken to the hospital, so you have proof.

Yesterday on the news people kept saying over and over that George had a broken nose. His attorneys said it also. But where are the x-rays? Where is the doctor's report? Did he really go to the doctor? I'll believe it when I see the evidence that he had a broken nose.

I was hit in the nose with a softball as a child, and I've been conked on the nose when my kids were babies and threw back their little heads while I was holding them - it's extremely painful and gives an instant headache. I could have had a hairline fracture and not known it at the time, but I can't prove that any of that actually happened because I never had an x-ray or a doctor's report.

I guess we are supposed to believe that George was fighting through the pain in the police station video, but he looks quite nonchalant to me.

Off-topic, but I've been watching the show Navajo Cops on National Geographic, and one thing that's really different from Florida is that when there is a fight or dispute, they interview everyone at the scene immediately, put both sides in cuffs, take both people to jail, and then let the judges sort out what happened the next day. If a weapon is discharged in a possibly illegal manner, even if someone is just shooting aimlessly in someone else's direction, somebody is going to jail. If someone feels threatened by someone with a gun, they take it seriously. And they don't assume that the perp is automatically telling the truth or that he/she is sober. I can only imagine what those cops think of what is happening in Florida!

Emeralgem

04-11-2012, 12:14 PM

This is my theory – I know most of you will disagree, and that’s ok.

Yesterday the SP contacted GZ’s attys and said “We are not filing charges, but we want to talk to GZ to make sure that he is safe once the announcement is made”. GZ’s lawyers call and leave a voicemail for GZ with the news, but instead of calling his lawyers, he calls SP. SP probably either tells him to leave the state, or offers some kind of protection.

Once he knows that he is not going to be charged, he calls Sean Hannity because he wants to present his side of the story and needs a show to go on. (Not going to go on NBC now is he?) Why else would anybody call the media??

GZ’s attys fire him because they were not part of the conversation with the SP, and understand that once GZ goes public they will no longer be in the spotlight.

The 72 hours is for police across the country to make preparations for the potential onslaught of riots. Also, it will get us to Friday placing the beginning of the riots over the weekend when businesses are less likely to be affected.

So I predict that sometime mid-friday the SP will announce no charges are supported by the evidence.

Once again, only my theory. We’ll know by Saturday if it is accurate or not.

Right now I'm more than somewhat inclined to believe you just may be right...JMHO

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 12:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

and this article tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

The damage done by George Zimmerman's lawyers
The accused killer's behavior -- and his former attorneys' press conference -- hurt what could have been a strong defense case

The special prosecutor has now announced that she will issue a statement soon. This statement may disclose whether she plans to indict and arrest Zimmerman — a likely outcome. She may have been pressured by the lawyers’ statements to arrest him even more quickly than she had originally intended, because the lawyers acknowledge that they don’t know where their erstwhile client is.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/damage-george-zimmerman-lawyers-article-1.1059728#ixzz1rkW6djMv

~jmo~

redkatrampant

04-11-2012, 12:23 PM

and this article tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

The damage done by George Zimmerman's lawyers
The accused killer's behavior -- and his former attorneys' press conference -- hurt what could have been a strong defense case

The special prosecutor has now announced that she will issue a statement soon. This statement may disclose whether she plans to indict and arrest Zimmerman — a likely outcome. She may have been pressured by the lawyers’ statements to arrest him even more quickly than she had originally intended, because the lawyers acknowledge that they don’t know where their erstwhile client is.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/damage-george-zimmerman-lawyers-article-1.1059728#ixzz1rkW6djMv

~jmo~

I kinda have to agree with you there. The fact that she included this quote from Corey "In discussing the investigation into the shooting death of Martin she said, "What we are asking people to do is take a step back. Pray for Trayvon. Pray for his family. Listen to their words. I believe these are wonderful people who are asking for a peaceful approach to this case, while still demanding the answers they deserve. And I look forward to meeting with them to try to help them on this journey. Our victims always have a tough plight."

speaks volumes to me. But again ONLY IMO

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 12:23 PM

I agree with this in part (I agree that he is not dead and the paramedics may have noted impairment but not necessarily)

That being said I do not agree that the SPD should not have conducted a thorough investigation including drug/alcohol testing on the GZ who had just shot an unarmed kid. All they had was his (GZ) word. That is not how you conduct an investigation. They should have treated it like any other shooting and homicide investigation imhoo.

I think all kinds of heads will roll over the way they conducted the investigation imhoo.

Well, actually didn't the chief already step down iirc?

Good Morning my dear friend. I realize you are not a paramedic, but you are a medical professional and I'd like to ask you a few questions in that regard.

IF you were at the scene of an occurance such as this, and a patient/victim was in need of treatment after a life threatening beating with visible injuries including:

(1) A broken nose that was bleeding

(2) Scalp lacerations and bleeding resulting from repeated bashing of the head on a concrete sidewalk

-How long would you think might be reasonable for whatever treatment is typically done at the scene, prior to transport?

-IF this patient, in lieu of treatment, were to insist he was fine would you expect a release to be signed for the paramedic's liability?

-Conversely, if you WERN'T at the scene and read the following terminology on the incident report, to you, would it indicate a release was signed or treatment concluded?

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/TMCleared-1.png

rossva

04-11-2012, 12:26 PM

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

Apart from some religious objections, why would an innocent person refuse?

particularly when they just shot someone? I think they could have arrested him and got a court order for the test if they had been so inclined.

Emeralgem

04-11-2012, 12:32 PM

Yep, distrubing...SPD should have...

Some think GZ sounded 'drunk' on those 911 calls..his speech was slurred and yet, the police didn't test him? Shouldn't that be standard???

I think SPD botched this from the start..they should have treated GZ as a suspect ... tox reports, GSR...blood splatter, bullet entry...autospy...he should have been told the investigation was still ongoing and that he should not attempt the leave the state of Florida...Now, he might be gone...would his family know where he's at and would they give him up?

This is getting really frightening...I certainly hope someone has a handle on GZ..

I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere SPD isn't even being investigated.. Anyone else recall reading this? JMHO

Sensei

04-11-2012, 12:34 PM

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

It would only be a violation if they took blood without a court order or his permission.

I would however find it disingenuous to refuse permission and then whine when you are suspected of being under the influence of something

The fact is that a test to determine if he was under the influence of ANYTHING not just drugs or any illegal substance, but any other medications including OTC meds should have just been a standard protocol, and apparently they didn't do it.

rotterdam

04-11-2012, 12:35 PM

Except when you claim you killed someone in self-defense. There should be more than just your word as a defendant to support the use of deadly force.

And coupled with immunity , it could be quite expensive for the average local court system with tight budgets, if they arrest that SYG claim perpetrator and lose the case. Plus damaging to those with elected positions.

gitana1

04-11-2012, 12:37 PM

it makes no sense that Mr Zimmerman's not-my-attys are still all over my tv and still stirring things up. In some ways it seems to me that they want a riot type situation

I think the notoriety of the case went to their heads.

This is my theory – I know most of you will disagree, and that’s ok.

Yesterday the SP contacted GZ’s attys and said “We are not filing charges, but we want to talk to GZ to make sure that he is safe once the announcement is made”. GZ’s lawyers call and leave a voicemail for GZ with the news, but instead of calling his lawyers, he calls SP. SP probably either tells him to leave the state, or offers some kind of protection.

Once he knows that he is not going to be charged, he calls Sean Hannity because he wants to present his side of the story and needs a show to go on. (Not going to go on NBC now is he?) Why else would anybody call the media??

GZ’s attys fire him because they were not part of the conversation with the SP, and understand that once GZ goes public they will no longer be in the spotlight.

The 72 hours is for police across the country to make preparations for the potential onslaught of riots. Also, it will get us to Friday placing the beginning of the riots over the weekend when businesses are less likely to be affected.

So I predict that sometime mid-friday the SP will announce no charges are supported by the evidence.

Once again, only my theory. We’ll know by Saturday if it is accurate or not.

I guarantee there will be charges. I am certain of this. What charges, I;m not sure. But, something.

I mentioned yesterday, if my memory is correct, that GZ disappeared well before there were threats against him, he left before the bounty was put out, he left before this whole thing was even a blip in the local media, much less the national media.

If he had nothing to hide then why go into hiding before his safety was even an issue?

Oh, there were threats immediately. I do understand why he went into hiding at once. He knew he just killed a kid for no reason. He knew there would be people out for his blood.

Gin

04-11-2012, 12:38 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

I respect your opinion.
JMO,My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and firmly established himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

impatientredhead

04-11-2012, 12:38 PM

I hope so too. I have grandchildren who are 1/4 Cuban. I'd like to think some day they could go there for a visit and see relatives.

There are ways to go now, as part of a humanatarian visit. You sign up with group and file paperwork with florida. Then you can fly direct from Miami I think

Sensei

04-11-2012, 12:42 PM

I think the notoriety of the case went to their heads.

I guarantee there will be charges. I am certain of this. What charges, I;m not sure. But, something.

Oh, there were threats immediately. I do understand why he went into hiding at once. He knew he just killed a kid for no reason. He knew there would be people out for his blood.

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

ThoughtFox

04-11-2012, 12:44 PM

I respect your opinion.
JMO,My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and firmly established himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

Good point about the end of the statement!!! This gives me hope she will charge!

gitana1

04-11-2012, 12:44 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/hostin-trayvon-martin-jury/

This article in my opinion tells me that the writer thinks A Corey will not find evidence to charge. jmo

I disagree. Even the title is "Let a Jury Decide". The writer doesn't seem to think there isn't enough to charge, but that a jury may not convict, which is a big possibility in my mind.

I am positive there will be charges. Not sure what kind but I am predicting manslaughter rather than 1st or 2nd degree.

rotterdam

04-11-2012, 12:47 PM

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

To me it looks like they ended the investigation the next day with a re- enactment on the homicide scene( with Daddy present) and GZ bolting town that same day. There was no further questioning of GZ after that we know off and he was not told to remain available for further interviews. Case closed. Just tying up some loose ends. All IMO.

gitana1

04-11-2012, 12:47 PM

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.

Elley Mae

04-11-2012, 12:49 PM

I respect your opinion.
My take on the article is that he will be charged, and the fact that he called 911 and established firmly himself as the pursuer will negate SYG.

She ends the article with the statement, "Let a jury decide." And IMO, they most certainly will.

It seems to me if charges where/are there he would have been charged.
I am on the side of Self Defense being used. Who knows maybe Friday 13th will be GZ's unlucky day as it was for Jacque De Moray.

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 12:50 PM

Reporters and news crews appear to be gambling that she'll have Zimmerman arrested and jailed in Sanford.
Crews from NBC and CNN have had trucks parked at the Seminole County Jail since Monday.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-11/news/os-george-zimmerman-corey-deadline-20120411_1_sonner-and-hal-uhrig-special-prosecutor-announcement

nursebeeme

04-11-2012, 12:50 PM

Good Morning my dear friend. I realize you are not a paramedic, but you are a medical professional and I'd like to ask you a few questions in that regard.

IF you were at the scene of an occurance such as this, and a patient/victim was in need of treatment after a life threatening beating with visible injuries including:
First of all, we do not know if he refused treatment which is possible and secondly we do not know if he really sustained the injuries he is claiming
(1) A broken nose that was bleeding
stop the bleeding and possibly immobilize with tape: time would depend on the bleeding.. maybe a few minutes?
(2) Scalp lacerations and bleeding resulting from repeated bashing of the head on a concrete sidewalkchecked for head injury: field neuro assessment. Clean and tape any lacs until he can get to an ER for suturing. Bottom line if he accepted treatment and had a head injury he would be transported to the ER for observation imhoo and the police would have followed him to the hospital... that being said he either refused treatment or did not have any field signs of a head injury. I am thinking the latter but not enough info to figure it out at this point

-How long would you think might be reasonable for whatever treatment is typically done at the scene, prior to transport?based on what you described 10-20 minutes tops imhoo

-IF this patient, in lieu of treatment, were to insist he was fine would you expect a release to be signed for the paramedic's liability?I am an icu bsn/rn so not sure what forms these guys would use... If he refused treatment I would not think he would have to sign anything

-Conversely, if you WERN'T at the scene and read the following terminology on the incident report, to you, would it indicate a release was signed or treatment concluded?as I said above, if he truly had this head injury and consented to treatment he most likely would have been transported to the ER for a physician to evaluate him and the police would have followed the ambulance. Imhoo he is either blowing his injuries out of proportion (my current thoughts) or refused treatment and/or transport. He could have had a field exam and refused transport if that was offered.. that is a possibility as well

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/Papa813_bucket/TMCleared-1.png
I am an icu/cvicu nurse (and verified here). My answers are above:moo::moo:

eta: I just read your link papa :-) It says he was "cleared" that means he was examined and cleared. Means no need for transport or further treatment :moo:

Sensei

04-11-2012, 12:52 PM

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.

I agree, he does have reason to fear, and in fact probably more now than he did before his Attorneys held their press conference. But at that time, he did not, he was free of the police, and there were no rallys no large groups assembled to ask questions, nothing to indicate that this incident would not just to use his words "blow over" so I understand why he is in hiding NOW, I just don't understand why he left when he did, unless he was afraid the PD was going to turn up something and then come arrest him. IMO JMHO and stuff

BetteDavisEyes

04-11-2012, 12:52 PM

HLN: Trayvon's parents within 10 minutes (1:00).

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 12:52 PM

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

I agree, but for some reason it is being kept under seal!

Emeralgem

04-11-2012, 12:54 PM

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

IMHO..You are exactly right.. WHY did he pack up and move out since he wasn't charged? Has anyone even seen him? According to his so called friends, they haven't.. And where is is wife? JMHO

seattlechiquita

04-11-2012, 12:55 PM

HLN: Trayvon's parents within 10 minutes (1:00).

ARGHHHH! I have no HLN acces!! :banghead:

nancdru

04-11-2012, 12:56 PM

In vehicular homicides, the drivers are routinely tested for drugs/alcohol, with no one spouting that it's a civil rights violation. Why would any non-LE shooter responsible for a fatality be any different? Any under-the-influence individual or just a crazy person can say, "I was in fear for my life," and you don't have all the facts to determine the reasonableness of that conclusion without at least a tox screen.

gxm

04-11-2012, 12:57 PM

GZ is a victim of his delusions. So, this would explain why many on this board side with the real victim(s). I don't remember who said this on TV last night but "if GZ had stayed in his car as he was ordered to do so we would not be talking about this".

I totally disagree. If GZ hadn't been carrying a gun then we wouldn't be talking about this. The confrontation would have ended when the cops got there and GZ and/or TM would have been, at worst, roughed up a bit. GZ being a busybody didn't kill TM. GZ carrying a concealed weapon did.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

BetteDavisEyes

04-11-2012, 12:57 PM

ARGHHHH! I have no HLN acces!! :banghead:

I'm sure there will be folks who watch and report ;)

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 01:00 PM

I am an icu/cvicu nurse (and verified here). My answers are above:moo::moo:

eta: I just read your link papa :-) It says he was "cleared" that means he was examined and cleared. Means no need for transport or further treatment :moo:

Great answers! As a fellow RN, I have one for you: While at the scene, if GZ displayed any behavior that would imply he was not competent to make a medical decision on his behalf, don't you think LE would have taken custody and he could be forced to go to an ER for further evaluation. Someone would have to act on his behalf to protect him from further injury? Do you think there is an obligation for LE, SFD, EMT to make sure a person is capable of making the right decision? Thanks

rotterdam

04-11-2012, 01:01 PM

I agree, he does have reason to fear, and in fact probably more now than he did before his Attorneys held their press conference. But at that time, he did not, he was free of the police, and there were no rallys no large groups assembled to ask questions, nothing to indicate that this incident would not just to use his words "blow over" so I understand why he is in hiding NOW, I just don't understand why he left when he did, unless he was afraid the PD was going to turn up something and then come arrest him. IMO JMHO and stuff

I guess he did not want to show his (imaginary/minor?) wounds in public. Could have been another reason why he bolted. Folks/neighbors could have questioned his hard to spot injuries that caused him to fear for his life.

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 01:01 PM

Still waiting on TM's parents conference. Then are in Washington, DC.

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 01:03 PM

I can't believe we can't find any live links.........pppfffttttt.

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 01:03 PM

IMHO..You are exactly right.. WHY did he pack up and move out since he wasn't charged? Has anyone even seen him? According to his so called friends, they haven't.. And where is is wife? JMHO

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

nursebeeme

04-11-2012, 01:04 PM

Now, just hours away from an announcement from the special prosecutor assigned to the case, Angela Corey, the Seminole County jail has changed its business as usual.
Deputies spent Wednesday morning setting up barricades lining the jails booking area for new inmates. A sign that has some thinking the announcement will be an arrest.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30874316/detail.html#ixzz1rkhmVAk8

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grandmaj

04-11-2012, 01:05 PM

HLN online try this link

http://www.onlinetvjunction.com/view/7468/watch-headline-news-hln-live-streaming-online.html

LaLaw2000

04-11-2012, 01:06 PM

My question is what will ACory know within 72 hours that she didn't know yesterday afternoon? IIRC, her PC will be to release 'new' information in this case. What could it be?

This is a very important PC because she is giving the media a 3 hour heads up so they can be set up and ready.

I just cannot see that ACory, or any other SA for that matter, giving GZ any warning if he were about to be arrested. UNLESS either agents were enroute to wherever GZ is to bring him back and an arrest had already been effected by that locations local LE. An arrest warrant can be faxed, but the original signed warrant would have to be shown before GZ would be released to the agents or FDLE. There might would even have to be an extradition hearing from one state to another. This scenario is what I am hoping for.

ACory has been very quiet and I cannot imagine her releasing any 'new' information. IDK! I am rambling now.

Anxiously awaiting Trayvon's parents PC!!

MOO's

Donjeta

04-11-2012, 01:06 PM

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

JMO, it would have been just for his own benefit if he had been able to wave a negative tox screen report.

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 01:07 PM

.live link

http://www.wesh.com/video/30874270/detail.html

jojomonkey

04-11-2012, 01:07 PM

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

I have said from the beginning, if he had sustained "real" injuries, we would have seen pictures by now. He himself would have wanted them released to prove his self-defense excuse. The police would want them released to quell the rising anger over his self-defense theory - that would be the proof to back him up.

Nope, we haven't seen any sign of injuries - only hearsay from his family and friends that they exist.

nursebeeme

04-11-2012, 01:07 PM

Great answers! As a fellow RN, I have one for you: While at the scene, if GZ displayed any behavior that would imply he was not competent to make a medical decision on his behalf, don't you think LE would have taken custody and he could be forced to go to an ER for further evaluation. Someone would have to act on his behalf to protect him from further injury? Do you think there is an obligation for LE, SFD, EMT to make sure a person is capable of making the right decision? Thanks

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

Emeralgem

04-11-2012, 01:08 PM

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

And I suspect the reason for that was because there weren't any near fatal injuries..JMHO

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:08 PM

I've basically been camping out on the Seminole County Clerk of Court's website, refreshing about every half our or so in anticipation of charges. They can't come soon enough for me.

csziggy

04-11-2012, 01:08 PM

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?

Yes, there is a provision in Florida law to compel a test when a firearm is used.

Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.153 Tests for impairment or intoxication; right to refuse.—
(1)(a) Any person who uses a firearm within this state shall submit to an approved chemical or physical breath test to determine the alcoholic content of the blood and to a urine test to detect the presence of controlled substances, if there is probable cause to believe that the person was using a firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages or controlled substances or that the person is lawfully arrested for any offense allegedly committed while he or she was using a firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages or controlled substances. The breath test shall be incidental to a lawful arrest and administered at the request of a law enforcement officer who has probable cause to believe such person was using the firearm within this state while under the influence of alcoholic beverages. The urine test shall be incidental to a lawful arrest and administered at a detention facility, mobile or otherwise, which is equipped to administer such tests at the request of a law enforcement officer who has probable cause to believe such person was using a firearm within this state while under the influence of controlled substances. The urine test shall be administered at a detention facility or any other facility, mobile or otherwise, which is equipped to administer such tests in a reasonable manner that will ensure the accuracy of the specimen and maintain the privacy of the individual involved. The administration of either test shall not preclude the administration of the other test. The refusal to submit to a chemical or physical breath or urine test upon the request of a law enforcement officer as provided in this section shall be admissible into evidence in any criminal proceeding. This section shall not hinder the taking of a mandatory blood test as outlined in s. 790.155.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=firearm%20and%20alcohol&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.153.html

Gin

04-11-2012, 01:08 PM

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.
IMO,JMO...
I agree.
I also think (and I don't know the timeline for this), but as the condo OWNERS in that complex realized how damaging this has been, they are probably pretty universally angry. GZ's armed patrol that resulted in the killing of Trayvon has likely sent their property values much further down than they already were. ( Due to the real estate market mess in Florida-especially in condos.)
IMO, Their complex now has nationwide notoriety and a "reputation" of...if nothing else, a board that is totally out of control or mindless about protecting the financial interests of the owners.

I certainly don't think the owners would do something criminal, but they also might not be exchanging pleasantries with GZ and Daddy as they pick up the mail.

Maybe this also had something to do with GZ being sent on a little vacay somewhere.

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 01:09 PM

raeann

04-11-2012, 01:10 PM

It would only be a violation if they took blood without a court order or his permission.

I would however find it disingenuous to refuse permission and then whine when you are suspected of being under the influence of something

The fact is that a test to determine if he was under the influence of ANYTHING not just drugs or any illegal substance, but any other medications including OTC meds should have just been a standard protocol, and apparently they didn't do it.

IF they didn't and they had wanted to take a blood alcohol test, they could have forced the issue because he had been driving by his own admission. His vehicle was still at the scene. They could have done it under the guise of a DUI suspicion at the very least----IF they had wanted to do that.

jmo

Elley Mae

04-11-2012, 01:11 PM

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

Isabelle

04-11-2012, 01:11 PM

I have said from the beginning, if he had sustained "real" injuries, we would have seen pictures by now. He himself would have wanted them released to prove his self-defense excuse. The police would want them released to quell the rising anger over his self-defense theory - that would be the proof to back him up.

Nope, we haven't seen any sign of injuries - only hearsay from his family and friends that they exist.

He would have uploaded the pics to his own website!

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 01:12 PM

Elley Mae

04-11-2012, 01:12 PM

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

redkatrampant

04-11-2012, 01:13 PM

I've basically been camping out on the Seminole County Clerk of Court's website, refreshing about every half our or so in anticipation of charges. They can't come soon enough for me.

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/

here?

Sensei

04-11-2012, 01:14 PM

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

I have to agree, and I know that protocols are different from state to state and hospital to hospital, but where I am, if you have bloody lacerations or severe hematomas to the back of your head and a story about having your head hit against concrete, you will have earned yourself a ticket to ride to the hospital in the company of one of our PD's finest, until they are sure that you are not going to convulse, or crash and die on them.

I tend to believe that the story about GZ's head injuries and broken nose have been greatly exaggerated IMO JMHO and stuff.

w1df10wr

04-11-2012, 01:17 PM

suppose to be able to watch this, idk
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2

Thank you - I have HLN on tv. And it hasn't begun yet.

Dr.Fessel

04-11-2012, 01:17 PM

I would swear that lawyer yesterday said something about grass stains on the bottom of zimmerman's pants. It was strange he never said coat.

redkatrampant

04-11-2012, 01:18 PM

Sanford Awaits Announcement In Trayvon Case
Mood In City 'Intense,' Some Say

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30874316/detail.html#ixzz1rklK3TZE

4Jacy

04-11-2012, 01:18 PM

I expect nothing less from the Martins' then the decorum they have shown thus far. They are certainly trying to keep this case from erupting into violence.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:18 PM

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/

here?

Yep, be warned they have some wacko captcha's there.

LaLaw2000

04-11-2012, 01:18 PM

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

I still say that the 'broken nose' was from an incident in the past where it had not been set properly or not set at all. The pic in the suit and tie shows what I think to be a broken nose that had either not been set or did not heal correctly. Boxers frequently have noses that look like GZ's, IMO.

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 01:19 PM

I have to agree, and I know that protocols are different from state to state and hospital to hospital, but where I am, if you have bloody lacerations or severe hematomas to the back of your head and a story about having your head hit against concrete, you will have earned yourself a ticket to ride to the hospital in the company of one of our PD's finest, until they are sure that you are not going to convulse, or crash and die on them.

I tend to believe that the story about GZ's head injuries and broken nose have been greatly exaggerated IMO JMHO and stuff.

THAT'S why all we've heard out of Zimmerman and his agents has been shuck and jive talk and false rhetoric.

There were no injuries.

If he had ANYTHING so much as an x ray or doctor's report on a broken nose or injuries to the back of his head, they would have been waving it around every time a camera was pointed in their direction.

IMO, JMO, MOO, etc.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:19 PM

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

That's very interesting. I've brought up a couple of times that what GZ looked like immediately after the confrontation doesn't interest me anywhere near as much as what he looked like the next morning. That's when the bruising really starts to show up and IMO would be more noticeable. When I was attacked, the bruises lasted for what seemed like forever.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:22 PM

So is this press conference with Trayvon's parents happening? Any word?

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 01:23 PM

hmmmmm.........what's going on over there while we are watching here......lmbo.

Sensei

04-11-2012, 01:24 PM

THAT'S why all we've heard out of Zimmerman and his agents has been shuck and jive talk and false rhetoric.

There were no injuries.

If he had ANYTHING so much as an x ray or doctor's report on a broken nose or injuries to the back of his head, they would have been waving it around every time a camera was pointed in their direction.

IMO, JMO, MOO, etc.

I believe that too Papa, I don't think they would have let the opportunity pass to, at the very least, show some 8X10 glossies of the horrible injuries to his head, and his big purple swollen nose....even if they didn't produce the x rays for inspection.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:24 PM

So is this press conference with Trayvon's parents happening? Any word?

HLN says they are will cut away the moment they are there to start speaking.

BetteDavisEyes

04-11-2012, 01:27 PM

Still waiting. Meanwhile, I've heard the Bourbon report several times... enough already!

rossva

04-11-2012, 01:27 PM

BBM

I don't think I have heard George Zimmerman "whining" about anything.

It would only be a violation if they took blood without a court order or his permission.

I would however find it disingenuous to refuse permission and then whine when you are suspected of being under the influence of something

The fact is that a test to determine if he was under the influence of ANYTHING not just drugs or any illegal substance, but any other medications including OTC meds should have just been a standard protocol, and apparently they didn't do it.

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 01:29 PM

I would swear that lawyer yesterday said something about grass stains on the bottom of zimmerman's pants. It was strange he never said coat.

IMO, if there had been a beating put on him by Trayvon, there'd be another kind of stain on this pants.

songline

04-11-2012, 01:29 PM

LaLaw2000

04-11-2012, 01:29 PM

I am not sure (all I have ever had to deal with is AMAs LOL) that being said, if he were showing signs of a head injury he would have been transported but he was cleared per Papa's link... so I am thinking all of his field tests were negative.:moo:

He was cleared to leave the scene in the back of the car with the officer which means he did not need emergent treatment. It does not say that he refused treatment or transport but that he was cleared.

When GZ was marched into the PD he was in cuffs. No one knew whether he would go to jail or not. It is almost every jails policy to not accept an injured arrestee without having been treated first. That is mainly why you see LE in an emergency room with the arrestee. They would not be booked in if injured or requiring medical care.

Jails and Police Departments have seperate budgets and medical care has to be rendered before bringing an arrestee in, otherwise the jail has to pay for it and the medical cost would come out of their budget.

This is all true even if it may not seem to be. I was a booking Lieutenant. I will add an IMO because I cannot prove I know this. Guess I could scan my credentials, LOL. I am just a retired Granny now.

MOO's

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:31 PM

Rev. Al speaking now at the conference. Tracy is there, Sybrina is there as well as Trayvon's brother, Jahvaris

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:32 PM

Someone type what they're saying because some of us can't watch at work, please! Thanks!

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:32 PM

When GZ was marched into the PD he was in cuffs. No one knew whether he would go to jail or not. It is almost every jails policy to not accept an injured arrestee without having been treated first. That is mainly why you see LE in an emergency room with the arrestee. They would not be booked in if injured or requiring medical care.

Jails and Police Departments have seperate budgets and medical care has to be rendered before bringing an arrestee in, otherwise the jail has to pay for it and the medical cost would come out of their budget.

This is all true even if it may not seem to be. I was a booking Lieutenant. I will add an IMO because I cannot prove I know this. Guess I could scan my credentials, LOL. I am just a retired Granny now.

MOO's

Thank you!! This is what I've been saying for the past 2 weeks.

~jmo~

mck16

04-11-2012, 01:33 PM

Blah, blah, blah.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:33 PM

I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have enough information,enough facts.IMO we have more than enough,more than in most cases.We have 911 calls,we have eye witnesses,we have a dead body !!! The only thing missing is TWO MINUTES.
IMO it doesn't take a genius to determine what happened in those minutes.All I know is IMO if Trayvon attacked GZ in those 2 minutes,if he initiated the physical confrontation it was because HE feared for his life.What other reason could there have been? GZ was following him for no reason,of course he was afraid,if he did attack him it would be his SYG right wouldn't it?

I know that I'm very interested to find out the bullet trajectory, where TM was shot, and the distance the gun was fired at. I want facts, not speculation about barely audible words or whether TM actually went to the store or not. Personally, I need more facts to put my speculation into proper perspective. Right now, I find the information that we have to be hopelessly contradictory, and quite confusing.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:34 PM

Blah, blah, blah.

So I'm guessing that's a transcript of Al Sharpton so far? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

mck16

04-11-2012, 01:35 PM

So I'm guessing that's a transcript of Al Sharpton so far? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

You got it!!

redkatrampant

04-11-2012, 01:37 PM

http://www.wesh.com/video/30874270/detail.html

live link

Storm

04-11-2012, 01:37 PM

BBM

You would think so but that always seems to get brushed off. :waitasec:

And since they didn't do any tox tests on GZ, what is the significance of Trayvon's tox tests?

Say they found pot in his system, that means it proves that he wasn't really walking home from the store? We know that pot stays in your system for a certain period of time, so what will that prove?

JMHO

It would prove he was probably mellowed out and walking home ^i^

raeann

04-11-2012, 01:38 PM

They aren't showing the AS remarks, they have cut to discussion again, and will go back when the Martins start speaking.
It isn't so much a press conference format at all....the organization at which the event is being held is announcing their support for the family and for continuing to seek justice in this case. (The National Action Network)

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:38 PM

Benjamin asking for peace.

Kimster

04-11-2012, 01:38 PM

Please try to refrain from chit chat on this thread if possible. That's what the thread in the private forum is for. :tyou:

Debates about Al Sharpton are welcome there.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:38 PM

Those who are watching, please provide commentary. I can't watch because I'll start crying and I'm at work and everyone will wonder what's wrong with me. TIA.

Storm

04-11-2012, 01:38 PM

It's also going to come down to what the witnesses saw or heard. If he really did sustain injuries, I would think it would then come down to the fight/scuffle, who saw what, who was really screaming, who was on top of who, etc.

I do not understand why it isn't about GZ initiating the contact..calling LE and getting out of his truck ^i^

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:39 PM

Follow the example of Tracy and Sybrina, remain in peaceful, having faith in our system, and being prayful. They are such a good example of keeping their exposure.

vlpate

04-11-2012, 01:39 PM

Ya know, as much as I've been following this case, I don't know GZ's address. I don't know why I haven't researched that. It sure would help when I'm looking at maps.

Anyway, I perceived from the report that his landlord may have called him about the rent while he was out and about and he called the police to file a complaint about it. If IIRC, it said GZ would be there in 10 min. But why give that address??

I assumed it was regarding he and his landlord because nobody else was referenced in the comments.

He lives on the other side of the community - this address was near Brandi G.'s home.

ThoughtFox

04-11-2012, 01:39 PM

Trayvon's parents livestream on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2#/video/cvplive/cvpstream2

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:39 PM

Benjamin would like to thank Rev. Al.

Sensei

04-11-2012, 01:40 PM

BBM

I don't think I have heard George Zimmerman "whining" about anything.

If you have heard George Zimmerman Whine, Cry, or recite the 23 psalm, then I will alert the media, because you have heard more from him than his own Attorneys have....Never said GZ was whinning, but instead I was stating that if you are not willing to taketheblood test to prove that you are not under the influence then it is ridiculous to be surprised and upset if people speculate about you being under the influence....and my position hasn't changed on that.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:40 PM

This journey has been 44 days and counting

daisy7

04-11-2012, 01:40 PM

Trayvon's family is asking for peace and non-violence when the SA announces her decision, whatever that decision is.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:41 PM

SPD told Tracy Martin that they WERE NOT GOING TO ARREST ZIMMERMAN.

4Jacy

04-11-2012, 01:41 PM

When GZ was marched into the PD he was in cuffs. No one knew whether he would go to jail or not. It is almost every jails policy to not accept an injured arrestee without having been treated first. That is mainly why you see LE in an emergency room with the arrestee. They would not be booked in if injured or requiring medical care.

Jails and Police Departments have seperate budgets and medical care has to be rendered before bringing an arrestee in, otherwise the jail has to pay for it and the medical cost would come out of their budget.

This is all true even if it may not seem to be. I was a booking Lieutenant. I will add an IMO because I cannot prove I know this. Guess I could scan my credentials, LOL. I am just a retired Granny now.

MOO's

Thank you, LaLaw, I was in a hospital ER once and there was a patient that was handcuffed to his gurney, a police officer was standing next to him. My nurse told me the patient had been in a knife fight and they had to take care of him before they hauled his butt off to jail.

redkatrampant

04-11-2012, 01:41 PM

SPD told Tracy Martin that they WERE NOT GOING TO ARREST ZIMMERMAN.

I missed that.:what:

w1df10wr

04-11-2012, 01:42 PM

So is this press conference with Trayvon's parents happening? Any word?

TM's parents are in Washington DC at the National Action Network convention. They haven't spoken yet, their lawyer Ben Crump is at the moment - http://www.wesh.com/video/30874270/detail.html .

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:42 PM

Squeaky clean background
4 year student in criminal justice
license to carry a concealed weapon
captain of the NWP.

These were the 4 reasons they couldn't arrest Zimmerman.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:44 PM

Drug and alcohol analysis on Trayvon while he was laying there on the ground but not on Zimmerman.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:44 PM

Squeaky clean background
4 year student in criminal justice
license to carry a concealed weapon
captain of the NWP.

These were the 4 reasons they couldn't arrest Zimmerman.

Squeaky clean background? I thought he had violent stuff in his background...

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:44 PM

Trayvon was unknown and unimportant to the Sanford Police Department.

ThoughtFox

04-11-2012, 01:44 PM

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:45 PM

The Martin's just want to fight for simple justice!!

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:45 PM

I do not understand why it isn't about GZ initiating the contact..calling LE and getting out of his truck ^i^

Because I don't think you can prove that GZ initiated the contact at this point. Prove as in, prove to a jury.

Chris_Texas

04-11-2012, 01:46 PM

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

And when it comes to civil liberties, Zimmerman is the champion! :floorlaugh:

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:46 PM

If you have heard George Zimmerman Whine, Cry, or recite the 23 psalm, then I will alert the media, because you have heard more from him than his own Attorneys have....Never said GZ was whinning, but instead I was stating that if you are not willing to taketheblood test to prove that you are not under the influence then it is ridiculous to be surprised and upset if people speculate about you being under the influence....and my position hasn't changed on that.

It's a fact that he refused a blood test? Was he even offered a blood test?

saguaro

04-11-2012, 01:46 PM

Their lawyer speaking now. He said that police told Tracy Martin there were four reasons why they didn't arrest George Zimmerman:

1. He had a squeaky clean background
2. He was a student of criminal justice
3. He had a gun license
4. He was head of the Neighborhood Watch

They did a background check on Trayvon, but not George.

Not that they're not going to arrest him in the future?

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:46 PM

Benjamin glad that Corey did not pass the buck to the grand jury. They feel this was a victory for them.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:47 PM

Trayvon was unknown and unimportant to the Sanford Police Department.

Unforgivable.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:47 PM

They believed from day #1 that there was enough evidence for Zimmerman to be arrested.

saguaro

04-11-2012, 01:47 PM

Because I don't think you can prove that GZ initiated the contact at this point. Prove as in, prove to a jury.

I wouldn't believe much of anything "his" former legal "advisers" are running their mouths about.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:48 PM

Not taking about a conviction. He will have his day in court. All they are asking for is a simple arrest so that all the evidence will be presented in a trial.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:48 PM

I wouldn't believe much of anything "his" former legal "advisers" are running their mouths about.

Good point.

ThoughtFox

04-11-2012, 01:48 PM

They were worried that Angela Corey would pass the buck as Wolfinger did, but they think she is full, fair, and impartial and will make the decision herself.

Live link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2&hpt=hp_c2#/video/cvplive/cvpstream2

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:49 PM

Their lawyer speaking now. He said that police told Tracy Martin there were four reasons why they didn't arrest George Zimmerman:

1. He had a squeaky clean background
2. He was a student of criminal justice
3. He had a gun license
4. He was head of the Neighborhood Watch

They did a background check on Trayvon, but not George.

Wait a minute. How did they know George had a squeaky clean background without doing a background check on him? That makes no sense whatsoever. :banghead::banghead:

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 01:49 PM

I feel that I am hearing one of the very few attorneys that may be of the caliber of the late, great Johnny Cochran in stating a position in the most straightfoward manner our language allows.

daisy7

04-11-2012, 01:50 PM

I think this is the first presser I've ever seen where there is a lot of clapping.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:50 PM

Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton said it is America and that it is Zimmerman's right to do whatever he wants as far as his website.

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:50 PM

Wait a minute. How did they know George had a squeaky clean background without doing a background check on him? That makes no sense whatsoever. :banghead::banghead:

Maybe because GZ had a gun license and the requirements for one are a clean record? Just guessing here.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:51 PM

Discussing press conference yesterday. Sybrina and Tracy said that his attorneys do not know where he is and that is there concern is that he is a flight risk.

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:51 PM

I wouldn't believe much of anything "his" former legal "advisers" are running their mouths about.

I agree. Which then asks the question, have we ever heard the true story from GZ in this case?

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:52 PM

Telling everyone again that they do not condone any violence.

LambChop

04-11-2012, 01:52 PM

Their lawyer speaking now. He said that police told Tracy Martin there were four reasons why they didn't arrest George Zimmerman:

1. He had a squeaky clean background
2. He was a student of criminal justice
3. He had a gun license
4. He was head of the Neighborhood Watch

They did a background check on Trayvon, but not George.

I guess they forgot to tell Tracy that GZ's father was a retired judge. I'm sure that is the first thing GZ told them. jmo

Chris_Texas

04-11-2012, 01:52 PM

Donjeta

04-11-2012, 01:52 PM

Their lawyer speaking now. He said that police told Tracy Martin there were four reasons why they didn't arrest George Zimmerman:

1. He had a squeaky clean background
2. He was a student of criminal justice
3. He had a gun license
4. He was head of the Neighborhood Watch

They did a background check on Trayvon, but not George.

Wait, what? How did they know he had a squeaky clean background if they didn't check? Because he said so?

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:53 PM

No one please do not take matter into their own hands. Please do not act ignorant or stupid. Let the system work.

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:53 PM

IMO I think if he is a flight risk, that would of happened a long time ago, before that press conference yesterday.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:54 PM

Wait, what? How did they know he had a squeaky clean background if they didn't check? Because he said so?

They probably assumed since he had a gun license, he had a clean background. Well, look where that assuming got them!

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:54 PM

Sybrina up now. Thanking everyone for being there.

octobermoon

04-11-2012, 01:54 PM

Again calling for peaceful reactions. Follow the parents lead.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:54 PM

It has been a nightmare for the last 44 days.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 01:55 PM

Sybrina up now. Thanking everyone for being there.

God bless her! She has been so strong and inspiring throughout this whole ordeal!!!

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:55 PM

Okay, I'm gonna let someone else handle this now. I just fall apart when she speaks.

CHICANA

04-11-2012, 01:56 PM

gxm

04-11-2012, 01:56 PM

Thank you to all the members who provided commentary!

Kimster

04-11-2012, 01:56 PM

Looks like they are very concerned other people could get hurt. Bless their hearts.

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:57 PM

I want to see Zimmerman arrested. I would love to see him prosecuted. And I personally see evidence that suggests that this could even have been a premeditated murder.

BUT...

A. Considering that we have every reason to believe that the police did at best an unprofessional investigation, and...

B. Knowing that the talking heads on the right have decided to make Zimmerman their poster boy for this political season...

I see no way in hell that they will find twelve people even willing to convict on manslaughter.

They are going to have a hard time of it if there isn't any earth shattering evidence that points to something very obvious. This case is very attractive for a defense lawyer, probably why the two ex-lawyers are still trying to plead the case to the media.

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 01:57 PM

Mr Martin talking now. He begged Crump to help them and Crump assured him that Zimmerman would be arrested, it's been 44 days now and Zimmerman is still a free man.

cityslick

04-11-2012, 01:58 PM

If he's not going to be arrested, bad stuff is going to happen and everyone knows it. We've seen this kind of stuff play out before.

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 01:58 PM

Mr Martin has promised that he is going to do his best to get laws rectified and to help all of the innocent vicitms out there. (all of this is not word for word)

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 01:59 PM

IMO I think if he is a flight risk, that would of happened a long time ago, before that press conference yesterday.

How do we know it didn't happen a long time ago? He could be anywhere on the phone,

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 01:59 PM

Wow, Daryl Parks (the lawyer speaking now) is President of the National Bar Association. Very impressive.

octobermoon

04-11-2012, 02:00 PM

What wonderful parents. Their strength and grace is amazing.

Donjeta

04-11-2012, 02:00 PM

Well I guess it doesn't matter if he is a flight risk or not if he is not going to be arrested due to his squeaky clean record.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 02:00 PM

Wow, Daryl Parks (the lawyer speaking now) is President of the National Bar Association. Very impressive.

Mr. Parks, please take a close look at what is happening with lawyers in Florida. Seriously!

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 02:01 PM

More about Daryl Parks...

http://www.nationalbar.net/president

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 02:01 PM

Man speaking now (missed his name) thanking AS for coming in and helping out like he has. He is confident that the state of Florida will do the right thing. Talking about other cases similar to Trayvon and racial profiling that happens. They do not in any shape, form or fashion condone violence.

SuziQ

04-11-2012, 02:01 PM

I want to see Zimmerman arrested. I would love to see him prosecuted. And I personally see evidence that suggests that this could even have been a premeditated murder.

BUT...

A. Considering that we have every reason to believe that the police did at best an unprofessional investigation, and...

B. Knowing that the talking heads on the right have decided to make Zimmerman their poster boy for this political season...

I see no way in hell that they will find twelve people even willing to convict on manslaughter.

BBM. This is what I fear. You read public comments on msn websites and GZ has a tremendous amount of support based on various agendas. None of which has anything to do with Trayvon's death.

suzihawk

04-11-2012, 02:02 PM

What wonderful parents. Their strength and grace is amazing.

Yes, it is! And their pain is palpable. It brings tears to my eyes.

Kimster

04-11-2012, 02:02 PM

Well I guess it doesn't matter if he is a flight risk or not if he is not going to be arrested due to his squeaky clean record.

Yeah that was a pretty interesting statement! Josh Powell had a squeaky clean record too! :maddening:

Rob774

04-11-2012, 02:03 PM

SuziQ

04-11-2012, 02:03 PM

Well I guess it doesn't matter if he is a flight risk or not if he is not going to be arrested due to his squeaky clean record.

I believe that was in reference to the night of the shooting and before the State took over the case.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:03 PM

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 02:04 PM

Wow, I'm loving this guy. I didn't catch his name because I was boo-hooing so hard but he is great!

cityslick

04-11-2012, 02:04 PM

How do we know it didn't happen a long time ago? He could be anywhere on the phone,

I know, that's my point. I don't think he's all of a sudden going to decide now to bail out somewhere.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 02:05 PM

Hopefully all the advocating for peace... will have people lay off on Trayvon's parents? This has been their message since day #1 and I don't understand how anyone can say they or the people who support them would be responsible for any kind of violence!

The two lawyers who decided to yap their jaws yesterday are the ones trying to incite violence!

MOO

Yeah, talk about the two most polar opposite press conferences I've ever read about. I'm sure the distinction is even more powerful for those who can actually watch them.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:05 PM

I like this guy!! He is calling out those lawyers for yesterday!

MOO

Kimster

04-11-2012, 02:05 PM

I believe that was in reference to the night of the shooting and before the State took over the case.

I agree. However, that fact was irrelevant at the time anyway. Every criminal starts out with a "squeaky clean record".

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 02:06 PM

This man, again didn't catch his name, is speaking to Zimmerman's two "lawyers" that yesterday said that Zimmerman was suffering from PTSD and that it is the friends and family of Trayvon that is suffering from PTSD because there has been no arrest in this case. He then spoke to Zimmerman since his "lawyers" have said that he is watching........telling him to confess his sins.

uvamerica

04-11-2012, 02:07 PM

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 02:07 PM

I agree. However, that fact was irrelevant at the time anyway. Every criminal starts out with a "squeaky clean record".

And as we've seen in the Casey Anthony case, sometimes a squeaky clean record just means the person hasn't been convicted of a crime yet, not that they've never committed a crime. She was stealing from people for years but wasn't caught until Caylee's murder.

Karmady

04-11-2012, 02:08 PM

Wow, Daryl Parks (the lawyer speaking now) is President of the National Bar Association. Very impressive.

To clarify, and not to diminish his accomplishment any way, because it is very impressive and I thought he was very eloquent -- but the NBA is a national bar association focused on African-Americans and civil rights issues. The national bar association that is not race/ethnicity/issue-specific is the American Bar Association, or ABA.

annalia

04-11-2012, 02:08 PM

I like this guy!! He is calling out those lawyers for yesterday!

MOO

I agree, made me choke up when they were talking about their own PTSD.
A well spoke man whoever he was.

Adrienne37

04-11-2012, 02:08 PM

For those that couldn't watch today, please look for a link later and watch this. That last guy was the one of the most powerful speakers that I have ever heard. He laid it all out and told it like it was.

Donjeta

04-11-2012, 02:08 PM

I agree. However, that fact was irrelevant at the time anyway. Every criminal starts out with a "squeaky clean record".

Yeah...always a first time for everything.

guessing if he had made a habit of shooting people he wouldn't have been there to begin with, he'd have been in prison.

SuziQ

04-11-2012, 02:09 PM

I agree. However, that fact was irrelevant at the time anyway. Every criminal starts out with a "squeaky clean record".

ITA. As if people with squeaky clean records don't commit crimes.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:11 PM

I just want to grab a hold of Trayvon's parents and hug them... cry with them... pray with them.

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 02:12 PM

I just want to grab a hold of Trayvon's parents and hug them... cry with them... pray with them.

Me too!!!!

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 02:13 PM

George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, law enforcement official says

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html

I so hope this is right!!!!!!!!! I caught on of the speakers saying something about "today"....which made me wonder if they didn't already know.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:13 PM

Al Shapton: The Only violence that has happened was the night GZ shot Trayvon and we want to keep it that way.

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Question time from only the media, can't hear the questions though.

Mr Martin said he is not concerned that Zimmerman's whereabouts are not known now, with the government he will be found.

Mr Martin is confident that the SP will investigate completely and do what is best.

AS talking about emails and things concerning rumors about an arrest to be made, they will be in the building and will have another press conference later. They have not checked their emails during this press conference as they are not rude.

Trayvon's mom is talking about it concerning them that Zimmerman's lawyers did not know where he was, but they are sure he will be found.

pkz

04-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Florida prosecutor to make statement at 6 p.m. eastern just heard it on the ED show

just heard on MSNBC that another news conference scheduled for 5 eastern, they are waiting on a confirm text from Corey office

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:14 PM

They seem really confident that there is an arrest coming... I think there will be an arrest soon.

MOO

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html

What'sThatClue

04-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Trayvon Martin Prosecutor Has Decided Whether to Charge George Zimmerman

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-decision-made-trayvon-martin-killing/story?id=16115469#.T4XJedU4zKE

The decision by Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey is expected to be announced at a 6 p.m. news conference in Jacksonville, Fla.

frenchvixen

04-11-2012, 02:15 PM

CNN didn't even bother to show it. How did you guys see it? HLN only showed the part of TM's parents speaking. I missed Mr. Parks' statement.

I guess they are rebutting what the attorneys said yesterday. Glad they had a message for GZ.

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 02:16 PM

The family will be back around 5 or 5:15 pm after they confirm some of the things that were brought up by the media. I would guess, since I couldn't hear the questions, they mean about an arrest.

mercuriod

04-11-2012, 02:16 PM

IMO I think if he is a flight risk, that would of happened a long time ago, before that press conference yesterday.

Who says it hasn't already happened? Even his own "former" legal counsel have never set eyes on him, he could have been calling them from Mars for all they know.

Concerned Papa

04-11-2012, 02:16 PM

I am impressed with the strength and resolve of both of Trayvon's parents. Since this case began, I have been driven by one thought. What if this had been MY son?

I have asked myself what would I do, where would I turn, and I know that I do not posess the resolve of Tracy Martin to rise above the base instincts of emotion. Where Tracy Martin has conducted himself in the light, I know myself well enough to know that I would remain in the darkness, constantly searching until I had found the one who had taken my soul.

I hope Trayvon's parents can find peace.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:16 PM

Anyone who can sit there and listen to Trayvon's parents... look at Trayvon's parents and not feel from the very depths of their soul their pain?? I'm just heartbroken! Like crying!

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:17 PM

uvamerica

04-11-2012, 02:19 PM

TorisMom003

04-11-2012, 02:19 PM

Yes, the press conference is over. AS said that there would be another one around 5 or 5:15 pm.

LolaMoon08

04-11-2012, 02:19 PM

I'm scared to get my hopes up that they are charging him? I feel like I'm waiting for CA's verdict all over again and I don't want to be disappointed the way I was that day.

LaLaw2000

04-11-2012, 02:19 PM

George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, law enforcement official says

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html

Oh, PLEASE let this be true! Thanks for the link, uvamerica!

Aedrys

04-11-2012, 02:20 PM

I'm scared to get my hopes up that they are charging him? I feel like I'm waiting for CA's verdict all over again and I don't want to be disappointed the way I was that day.

No kidding. I can't trust anything after that verdict!

LambChop

04-11-2012, 02:20 PM

There will be some violence, if he's not arrested or not found guilty. Its nothing the parents can do about that. It will always be the few people that take actions into their own hands that will make the paper.

Look at Kentucky during March Madness. Now i bet you there were only a small handfull of kids, turning over cars and setting fires.

Only difference is how the media will handle these outbreaks.

But it does not have to be that way. I don't think the Martins want to hear of another child dying over this matter, we all don't. Look at what they have accomplished so far by saying we will not accept SPD's or the SA's decision. It's just not acceptable because they knew their son, knew what he was capable of. Most of us here are heartbroken with what the Martin family has had to endure. I hope SA does not let them down. jmo

Karmady

04-11-2012, 02:23 PM

I'm quite certain that everyone who chose to visit the link that I provided were quite capable of seeing what the organization was and is.

I'm sorry. I didn't notice the link in your post. Please accept my apology.

LynnM

04-11-2012, 02:23 PM

George Zimmerman will be charged. Those charges will be announced later today. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html

4Jacy

04-11-2012, 02:24 PM

Karmady

04-11-2012, 02:24 PM

Oh, PLEASE let this be true! Thanks for the link, uvamerica!

Between that from the WaPo and the barricades info in the other link, I'd bet on it.

tehcloser

04-11-2012, 02:24 PM

I'm just glad we are finally at this point. I think charges are coming, and rightly so. There wil be those that say she had to to avoid riots and such. Not this lady...from reading about her she would have handcuffed the devil himself...she was not afraid of backlash at all. If I'm wrong and it goes the other way.......well, I'm throwing my computer out the window.

frenchvixen

04-11-2012, 02:25 PM

Yeah that was a pretty interesting statement! Josh Powell had a squeaky clean record too! :maddening:

So did Scott Petersen

BetteDavisEyes

04-11-2012, 02:26 PM

CNN reporting that GZ will likely be arrested and charged. Arrest might be imminent.

Sounds like the 72 hours will be very short ;)

Dr.Fessel

04-11-2012, 02:26 PM