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daisy7
04-20-2012, 07:27 AM
SANFORD -- On the eve of accused shooter George Zimmerman’s bond hearing, members of the Sanford community gathered to discuss the tragedy that has overtaken the city for weeks, since the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, hoping to define the path towards racial conciliation.

A group of city officials, community leaders and pastors unveiled a nine-point working draft of a plan that included asking the Department of Justice to investigate the Sanford Police Department’s practices. The plan also calls for the creation of a diverse, inter-faith alliance to study race relations in the city and the launching of an anti-violence campaign.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/19/2758080/sanford-residents-look-for-a-way.html#storylink=cpy

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:29 AM
Attorney responds to Zimmerman request to meet with parents

George Zimmerman's attorney said his client wanted a face-to-face meeting with Martin's parents, but Crump made it clear the request was too late.

"We believe Zimmerman's request at this time is very self-serving. At this time, it's very self serving, some 50 days later -- the day before his bond hearing.

Attorney: Martin family to attend Zimmerman bond hearing

Martin's family and their attorneys are expected to attend Zimmerman's Friday bond hearing.

"Some crimes, on their face, [are] non-bondable offenses. Second-degree murder is one of them," Crump said.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/4/19/trayvon_martin_town_.html

Trayvon's parents vowed to be at every hearing..so they will be present for this bond hearing...

Who/what network is televising this hearing, if any?

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:32 AM
George Zimmerman: Community meeting leads to 9-point proposal By John W. Davis, Reporter
Last Updated: Thursday, April 19, 2012 @ 11:02PM

SANFORD --
City and community leaders held a community meeting Thursday night to discuss the Trayvon Martin case.

Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte and Acting Police Chief Darren Scott attended the meeting, which took place at Second Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church.

During the meeting, Sanford leaders rolled out a preliminary nine-point plan aimed to move the community forward. However, several community members felt the most important point was absent. Community members are still calling for the firing of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, who has temporarily stepped down.

City Manager Norton Bonaparte defended his decision to not fire Lee.



http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/19/trayvon_martin_commu.html

daisy7
04-20-2012, 07:33 AM
WKMG and WESH have said they will break into their regular schedules to carry the hearing, which starts at 9 a.m. Friday. Central Florida News 13 will carry the hearing. WOFL-Channel 35 will be in news at that hour. WFTV-Channel 9 said it would be ready to break in to carry the hearing. .

WFTV also announced Thursday that Bill Sheaffer will return as its legal analyst on Friday. His first assignment: Zimmerman’s bond hearing.

(snip)

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/04/george-zimmerman-will-trayvon-martins-parents-meet-him.html

:woohoo:

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 07:33 AM
Caught in the door again. :)

Bringing over Donjeta's post from the last thread:

(http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-20/george-zimmerman-bail-hearing/54423928/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=aepwlifw1yer)
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-20/george-zimmerman-bail-hearing/54423928/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=aepwlifw1yer)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-20/george-zimmerman-bail-hearing/54423928/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=aepwlifw1yer


"Normally, the conditions are that you stay local. I think that is going to be difficult," O'Mara said in an interview. "I think nobody would deny the fact that if George Zimmerman were walking down the street today, he would be at risk. That is a reality."

All he was trying to do was make the streets safer to walk for everyone by getting rid of another drug using a***** and look what happened.

BBM

Isn't that just the ultimate irony!! :furious:

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:34 AM
Title: George Zimmerman Bond Hearing - LIVE Courtroom Updates

Date: Friday April 20, 2012
Time: 8:30AM EDT
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/about/services/live-chat.html

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:36 AM
Florida judge to decide on bail for Trayvon Martin's killer
By Barbara Liston

SANFORD, Florida | Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:13am EDT

SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - A Florida judge will decide on Friday whether to release murder suspect George Zimmerman on bail pending his trial for the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. took over the racially charged case on Wednesday after another judge recused herself over a potential conflict of interest. He was to preside over a pre-trial detention hearing beginning at 9 a.m. EDT (1300 GMT), as he takes up a case that has riveted the United States.

Court officials in Sanford, Florida, the seat of Seminole County where 17-year-old Martin was gunned down on February 26, have provided few details about Friday's bond hearing. But they said it would include testimony from Zimmerman's family, after the defense filed an unopposed motion to allow them to speak on his behalf by phone.




http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/20/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83J0JT20120420?feedType=RSS

203_forensics
04-20-2012, 07:45 AM
ABCnews has posted a photo of GZ with blood on the back of his head. I now would like to see the sidewalk where his head was laying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FLy9mHfTp

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:47 AM
Trayvon Martin's parents turn down invitation to meet with son's killer George Zimmerman
Request is 'self-serving,' attorney Benjamin Crump says
Comments (23)

By Matthew Lysiak In Sanford, Fla. AND Helen Kennedy / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 4:59 PM
Updated: Friday, April 20, 2012, 2:00 AM


Trayvon Martin's parents have turned down an invitation to meet with their son’s killer, their lawyer said Thursday.

The request from George Zimmerman’s camp a day before his bond hearing is “self-serving,” attorney Benjamin Crump said.

“He had a Web page — never apologized there. Had the voicemails we’ve heard — never apologized then,” Crump said at a news conference. “So, we feel that you all can conclude for yourselves what motivations there are.”



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/trayvon-martin-suspect-george-zimmerman-free-friday-article-1.1064429#ixzz1sa2bzg00

saguaro
04-20-2012, 07:53 AM
ABCnews has posted a photo of GZ with blood on the back of his head. I now would like to see the sidewalk where his head was laying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FLy9mHfTp

Holy smokes!

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 07:54 AM
ABCnews has posted a photo of GZ with blood on the back of his head. I now would like to see the sidewalk where his head was laying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FLy9mHfTp


Warning Graphic...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

I would like to know WHO took this photo three minutes after the tragic death of Trayvon...

Yes, it appears very bloody, dripping down but who is the one who took this photo???

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:01 AM
Warning Graphic...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

I would like to know WHO took this photo three minutes after the tragic death of Trayvon...

Yes, it appears very bloody, dripping down but who is the one who took this photo???

I'm thinking 3 minutes after the police arrived??

I also want to know who took the photo.

pcrum12
04-20-2012, 08:07 AM
Well, He obviously WAS injured. IMO.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 08:11 AM
I'm thinking 3 minutes after the police arrived??

I also want to know who took the photo.


Well, He obviously WAS injured. IMO.

Who gave this 'exclusive' photo to ABC???

Yes, we knew he was injured and treated at the scene and released...Never took the ambulance it was cancelled on the scene...so, if he was that injured, why didn't he go to the hospital...

I am very skeptical about this photo, unless it was taken by LE...but why wasn't this shown previous to GZ's arrest??? Did the SA see it???

Very skeptical...

lisalei321
04-20-2012, 08:11 AM
Warning Graphic...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

I would like to know WHO took this photo three minutes after the tragic death of Trayvon...

Yes, it appears very bloody, dripping down but who is the one who took this photo???

And...who's blood is it?

And where is the date/time stamp?

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Marshmallow
04-20-2012, 08:13 AM
the video/photo appear to be small scratches and there is blood that is watered down and has streaked but that is to be expected as it was raining. I'm wondering how Mr Zimmermanwas able to be on his phone after the police arrived, the police had said he was cuffed but you can see a phone in his hand. I'd like to know who took this photo and also how ABC got it.

If Mr Martin were fighting for his life I'd imagine a scuffle so these scratches are expected. I wonder if there are more photos/video with the beaten to a bloody pulp proof and the bashed in nose.

grandmaj
04-20-2012, 08:14 AM
Pretty much makes me wonder who released this photo if it was taken by police, when there is a restriction on release of records right now ya know?

Donjeta
04-20-2012, 08:19 AM
Why is the upper limit of the bloodied area straight horizontally? Was he wearing a baseball cap?
The top of his head above the red border is whited out.

LambChop
04-20-2012, 08:26 AM
Who gave this 'exclusive' photo to ABC???

Yes, we knew he was injured and treated at the scene and released...Never took the ambulance it was cancelled on the scene...so, if he was that injured, why didn't he go to the hospital...

I am very skeptical about this photo, unless it was taken by LE...but why wasn't this shown previous to GZ's arrest??? Did the SA see it???

Very skeptical...

We know GZ put his hands on his head after he stood up from shooting TM. Prior to that he had his hands on TM. The problem with the photo is there is no visible wound only the blood. It could have very well be TM's blood...not saying it was, just that it could have been. So unless there are wounds in the area of that photo my guess is the blood could have been transferred from TM's body. With that amount of blood from his head the EMT would have put something on his head to keep the wound clean. I still want to see that report before I believe GZ was injured that he required stitches. jmo

nomoresorrow
04-20-2012, 08:26 AM
Warning Graphic...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

I would like to know WHO took this photo three minutes after the tragic death of Trayvon...

Yes, it appears very bloody, dripping down but who is the one who took this photo???

Same here and who was George talking to on the phone? (notice he has his cellphone up to his ear...)

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 08:26 AM
About the photo..

Can't imagine it was LE taking it ...did GZ ask someone to take it for him? What is chain of custody of this photo and how/why was it obtained/released now?

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 08:27 AM
Why is the upper limit of the bloodied area straight horizontally? Was he wearing a baseball cap?
The top of his head above the red border is whited out.

In the words of Cindy Anthony, "There's something wrong."

daisy7
04-20-2012, 08:27 AM
ABCnews has posted a photo of GZ with blood on the back of his head. I now would like to see the sidewalk where his head was laying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FLy9mHfTp

from the link:

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

The photographer said that after the shooting, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call his wife. When the photographer asked him what to say, Zimmerman blurted out, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 08:29 AM
from the link:

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

The photographer said that after the shooting, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call his wife. When the photographer asked him what to say, Zimmerman blurted out, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."

If the gunpowder burns were visible on Trayvon's back (since he was face down), would that mean he was shot in the back????

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:31 AM
If the gunpowder burns were visible on Trayvon's back (since he was face down), would that mean he was shot in the back????

I believe it shows that he was shot at very close range.

MOO.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 08:32 AM
Why is the upper limit of the bloodied area straight horizontally? Was he wearing a baseball cap?
The top of his head above the red border is whited out.

He was on top of TM...he wasn't wearing a hat when escorted to the police station...

Blood drips down, not horizontally, unless he was lying on his side..that's the only way I can see it flowing that way..

I still feel this might be doctored..You know, I don't trust GZ...I find him to be incredible...after the mini western dialogue...:maddening:

nomoresorrow
04-20-2012, 08:33 AM
Something just isn't right here...a bystander who supposedly overheard, but did not actually see an altercation, went to the scene and immediately thought to take a photo of GZ'z injuries - 3 minutes after the shooting? Well I guess that answers one question, obviously no lifesaving measures were taken on Trayvon.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 08:35 AM
If the gunpowder burns were visible on Trayvon's back (since he was face down), would that mean he was shot in the back????

Good point. Although the photographer doesn't say the burns were on his back, we know that is the position of the body. Who would take this photo? If it was someone who just happened on the scene -- wouldn't they take a photo of the body? I'm thinking this photo was taken by a good friend of GZ.

grandmaj
04-20-2012, 08:37 AM
How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 08:37 AM
from the link:

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

The photographer said that after the shooting, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call his wife. When the photographer asked him what to say, Zimmerman blurted out, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."


If the gunpowder burns were visible on Trayvon's back (since he was face down), would that mean he was shot in the back????

We know by the probable cause affidavit, TM was shot in his chest...TM was lying face down, so how did he see the GSR on his back? Not buying what they're selling...

So, this is not LE who took the photo, then I doubt the authenticity of it and the time frame. It could have been days later, doctored photo...

Asked that same person to call his wife...man, just tell her I shot someone...Wow, really???

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:38 AM
It still collaborates the police report that there was blood dripping down the back of his head.

If not true, there is someone going through a lot of trouble to not only put fake info on a police report, but to produce a fake photograph with dripping blood and produce a enhanced video still which shows red marks on his head.

Ambrosia
04-20-2012, 08:38 AM
ABC News Video. Photo clearer here. New Photo Shows Zimmerman's Bloody Head Injuries - YouTube

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:40 AM
Something just isn't right here...a bystander who supposedly overheard, but did not actually see an altercation, went to the scene and immediately thought to take a photo of GZ'z injuries - 3 minutes after the shooting? Well I guess that answers one question, obviously no lifesaving measures were taken on Trayvon.

I would many of us would have taken that photo if we lived in the area. I know I would have.

I believe GPS on the phone verifies the photo being taken at the scene and at the time soon after the shooting took place.

MOO.

Donjeta
04-20-2012, 08:40 AM
How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

It could be that GZ told him or loaned his phone or they were prior acquaintances.

Hope I never have to make that phone call. "Hey I'm here with your husband and he just killed somebody, have a good day."

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:41 AM
How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

I would think that GZ gave it to him??

I know when I was in a car accident years ago the first thing out of my mouth was "call my mother" after which I gave them her phone number.

IMO.

grandmaj
04-20-2012, 08:42 AM
from the link:

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

The photographer said that after the shooting, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call his wife. When the photographer asked him what to say, Zimmerman blurted out, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."

OK key words here, prostrate body (face down) on the wet grass.
gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

There would be no gunpowder burns on TM's back if he was shot in the chest as has been reported.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 08:42 AM
How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

Because his name is FT?

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:43 AM
The key will be to verify when exactly the photo was taken. The only way to do this is from testimony from the EMT that saw exactly what we are seeing in the photo.

This is what happens when no information (EMT report) is released. The jump to conclusion is to automatically assume it's a fake because nothing else has been released to support it. Add in a low resolution video that didn't appear to show injuries.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 08:44 AM
B.A.L.O.N.E.Y - utterly disgusting.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 08:44 AM
Pretty much makes me wonder who released this photo if it was taken by police, when there is a restriction on release of records right now ya know?


How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

Correct, Grandmaj...anything that pertains to this case is under seal, so it didn't come from LE...I'm guessing a good friend is putting this out there for GZ's sake...but it's going to cause quite a stir...

I'd like to know that too...did GZ vocalize the number to this person? Did he look it up in the contacts...Too many questions rise out of this...mostly the conspiracy theories will now take flight...

nomoresorrow
04-20-2012, 08:46 AM
I would many of us would have taken that photo if we lived in the area. I know I would have.

I believe GPS on the phone verifies the photo being taken at the scene and at the time soon after the shooting took place.

MOO.

Yes, I agree but not 3 minutes after the shooting. 3 minutes after the shot was fired, I would have been too busy assessing/and trying to see if there was anything I could do to help the person who had been shot - TRAYVON in this case!

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 08:46 AM
How did this person see the gunshot residue on Trayvon's hoodie if Trayvon was shot from the front and supposedly ending up on his stomach with his hands underneath him? This is the biggest crock of crap I've ever seen.

Sure makes Jr.'s interview even more ridiculous - just 3 minutes earlier he was barely conscious, 1 step away from being spoon fed and wearing diapers. Yea, Zimmerman, we really believe what you and your minions are dishing out!


~jmo~

LambChop
04-20-2012, 08:47 AM
If GZ were on his back and he moved his head over onto the grassy area, as he has said, wouldn't that blood be smeared from rubbing on the grass? Something is not right with this picture. jmo

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:48 AM
Correct, Grandmaj...anything that pertains to this case is under seal, so it didn't come from LE...I'm guessing a good friend is putting this out there for GZ's sake...but it's going to cause quite a stir...

I'd like to know that too...did GZ vocalize the number to this person? Did he look it up in the contacts...Too many questions rise out of this...mostly the conspiracy theories will now take flight...

There have been leaks by LE in this case already though (orlando sentinel article on GZ's account of events for example). Wasn't the video initially leaked and then fully released by LE?

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 08:48 AM
It still collaborates the police report that there was blood dripping down the back of his head.

If not true, there is someone going through a lot of trouble to not only put fake info on a police report, but to produce a fake photograph with dripping blood and produce a enhanced video still which shows red marks on his head.

Well I don't know if you've ever had to take photos for an accident you might have been in...to make it look better for court, you put some red sauce or ketchup on the wounds to make them appear worse than what they truly are..but we know have photoshop...it could be done for effect..to corroborate the SYG defense...

We know GZ was injured but he wasn't that injured that night if he didn't go to the hospital...I don't see a gash that would need stitches as his brother stated..If they are being untruthful, they need to watch out for there's a fine line for obstruction...

Ambrosia
04-20-2012, 08:49 AM
I'm sorry. That was my first post and I thought it would be a link to the video without such graphic on site. Now I need some coffee.

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 08:49 AM
If George was on the phone, why didn't he call his wife himself? I guess the first call had to be to Daddy so he could start the coverup??

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 08:50 AM
ABCnews has posted a photo of GZ with blood on the back of his head. I now would like to see the sidewalk where his head was laying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FLy9mHfTp

Wow! Yep that's blood.
A lot of blood.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:51 AM
Can you fake the metadata of the pic on an iphone pic?

The ABC video shows the photo was taken that evening

jaded cat
04-20-2012, 08:51 AM
Oregon checking in for news about the hearing.

I don't even know what to think about that photo. The circumstances are very puzzling to me.

Emeralgem
04-20-2012, 08:51 AM
It still collaborates the police report that there was blood dripping down the back of his head.

If not true, there is someone going through a lot of trouble to not only put fake info on a police report, but to produce a fake photograph with dripping blood and produce a enhanced video still which shows red marks on his head.


BBM.. CYA ..YaBetcha....JMHO

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:53 AM
I'm sorry. That was my first post and I thought it would be a link to the video without such graphic on site. Now I need some coffee.

Welcome!!

I'm new too. It's a nice place.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 08:54 AM
The photo doesn't really mean much to the case. We know there was a scuffle.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:54 AM
BBM.. CYA ..YaBetcha....JMHO

You think police are the ones doing all this? If so, it makes the Rodney King thing look like small potatoes.

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 08:54 AM
It says law enforcement has seen the picture (and evidently heard the "story" the witness is telling). I think we are going to find out there are some very good reasons for the 2nd degree murder charges and I really wish they would release the docs. If we keep getting leaks of things that make Zimmerman look better, you have to wonder if the judge will still refuse to let everything out.

saguaro
04-20-2012, 08:54 AM
Wow! Yep that's blood.
A lot of blood.

Self inflicted...don't cha know.

:banghead:

CarolinaMoon
04-20-2012, 08:54 AM
The wounds are still too high on the head to be the result from bashing. The scalp is very vascular and bleeds a lot. Add in the rain...

I'm hoping that Trayvon had strong fingernails that did the damage as he was defending himself. Wonder what fingernail DNA will say!

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 08:55 AM
I'm sorry. That was my first post and I thought it would be a link to the video without such graphic on site. Now I need some coffee.

Welcome, Ambrosia!! No worries. Ya did good. :)


If he had to tell someone to call his wife, why does he have a phone to his ear in that photo? What a load of bull this is!

Cher352
04-20-2012, 08:56 AM
Why is the upper limit of the bloodied area straight horizontally? Was he wearing a baseball cap?
The top of his head above the red border is whited out.

I mentioned this one time before after seeing the enhanced video.

With the injury appearing to be in a straight line it could be that he head was hitting the edge of the sidewalk where it meets the grass.

Also concerning where is picture came from. In the very beginning I hear on one of the newscast that one of the officers took pictures with his cell phone but I never brought it up since I could not find a news article written saying that same thing.

Just K
04-20-2012, 08:57 AM
How would this person know what GZ's wife's phone number is?

I have a theory as to what happened in the missing one minute and right after GZ ask the non-emergency operator to have LE call him, as to his whereabouts, when they arrive.

In his call there are several tapping noises, like a quiet knocking on someone's door. Several people, including the man going by the name "John" have said they were outside and saw the "scuffle."

It is possible that GZ had a pre-arrranged signal for a "friend" and/or neighbor witness for any future sightings of "suspicious" people. Perhaps for the friend to come outside and help him corner a "suspect" and then go in and call 911. At the same time as this man "sees" the altercation a woman is calling 911 and telling someone named "Jeremy" to come inside. Then, after the gunshot, a man...so far unidentified calls 911 to report the one in the grass is dead.

It seems Travvon was cornered and feeling threatened and possibly physically accosted tried hopelessly to defend himself. If GZ, as he has had others state, went for his cell phone and his gun was not already out then it is possible that Trayvon saw the gun and started to run. Yet, he suddenly is impeded behind this women's house who just happens to be saying "Jeremey, get inside..." while she continues to report the fight and then gunshot to the 911 operator.

I would hope that LE and the DA will subpoena the call records of this Jeremey, "John" and the first 911 caller. IF you saw heard a fight and a gunshot and then could see a young guy lying lifeless on the ground...would you go outside with a flashlight and your camera, approach the shooter and take a picture of his head.....

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 08:57 AM
Welcome, Ambrosia!! No worries. Ya did good. :)


If he had to tell someone to call his wife, why does he have a phone to his ear in that photo? What a load of bull this is!

Yep, I'd like to see his phone records from that night.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 08:57 AM
http://livewire.wesh.com/Event/George_Zimmermans_Bond_Hearing

someone PLEASE transcribe this. I have to restart my puter. My speakers pooped out:banghead:

cityslick
04-20-2012, 08:58 AM
WESH has live video

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:00 AM
TM family, attorneys, prosecutor in the courtroom.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:01 AM
Odds on if he's get bond (despite how much)?

Gotta go with 50/50 at this point.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:01 AM
I mentioned this one time before after seeing the enhanced video.

With the injury appearing to be in a straight line it could be that he head was hitting the edge of the sidewalk where it meets the grass.

Also concerning where is picture came from. In the very beginning I hear on one of the newscast that one of the officers took pictures with his cell phone but I never brought it up since I could not find a news article written saying that same thing.

I still believe the injury is too high up on his head to reflect it being beaten repeatedly into the concrete..I still believe he hit his head on one of the meters on the outside of the town homes, while he was in between the homes in pursuit of TM...not on the concrete, especially since TM's dead body laid on the grass, on his face, hands and arms beneath him...

Something stinks...with that photo...

saguaro
04-20-2012, 09:01 AM
Wow, they're all on time.

Nice!

Cher352
04-20-2012, 09:02 AM
If GZ were on his back and he moved his head over onto the grassy area, as he has said, wouldn't that blood be smeared from rubbing on the grass? Something is not right with this picture. jmo

Probably was smeared in the beginning but these could be new drips showing up because the cuts were still bedding even after it got up and maybe even after his head was initially wiped off.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:04 AM
O.M.G. - a suit and a tie, REALLY?????

Emeralgem
04-20-2012, 09:04 AM
You think police are the ones doing all this? If so, it makes the Rodney King thing look like small potatoes.

I've learned never to underestimate what people with an agenda or goverment will do in order to save face and their car-rears... :banghead:JMHO

mercuriod
04-20-2012, 09:04 AM
Uggg, Francis T just walked in

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:05 AM
O.M.G. - a suit and a tie, REALLY?????

What's wrong with that?

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:05 AM
Is this the first time MOM has met GZ in person?

corq
04-20-2012, 09:06 AM
Self inflicted...don't cha know.

:banghead:

If real (and I kinda think it's real, IMO), the "flat edge" of the blood hypothetically could mean falling on one's back, tapping one's head against the edge of a sidewalk during the altercation, or simply losing one's balance and falling backward.

A good chest push "let me go, get out of my way, man!" could have caused GZ a loss of balance, falling backward, if he was standing in front of TM, impeding TM's abilty to walk past/escape.

HYPOTHETICAL/JMO: GZ, is attempting to isolate TM until cops get there .. but doesn't ID himself or what authority he has (if any).

TZ zigs to get past GZ, GZ reaches instinctively for TM's sholder to slow him.

TM reacts to the shoulder grab, pushes back HARD, sending GZ backward... all this while in the grass, with the sidewalk behind GZ.

I can imagine GZ falling backward, smacking head. Again, utterly hypothetical, and JMO. this is just what I glean from the shape of the mark and blood.

However, I don't think that one linear mark looks like multiple bashings as described. I'd expect repeat dissimilar gashes/scrapes, if this "head bashing" took place.. JMO

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:06 AM
Well now... doesn't he just look nice this morning?

Let's get this thing underway. I'm late for work. LOL

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:06 AM
What's wrong with that?

because he does not normally dress like that, from what I have seen.JMO

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:07 AM
O.M.G. - a suit and a tie, REALLY?????

The suit does not seem to fit him. I wonder if it is borrowed or if it is from weight loss since the incident??

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:07 AM
I'm tuned in to CNN for the hearing. Live now.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:08 AM
because he does not normally dress like that, from what I have seen.JMO

Better than jeans and a t shirt. It is court, wish everyone dressed appropriately for it.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:08 AM
The suit does not seem to fit him. I wonder if it is borrowed or if it is from weight loss since the incident??

It is by design. To make him look more "helpless".JMO

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:08 AM
What's wrong with that?

BECAUSE HE IS AN ACCUSED MURDER, HE SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEFENDANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. He should be in his inmate uniform.



~jmo~

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:08 AM
Will call the parents first and then the state will respond to the affidavit at the end?

grandmaj
04-20-2012, 09:08 AM
The sound is much better here

http://www.wftv.com/s/watchlive/

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:09 AM
Better than jeans and a t shirt. It is court, wish everyone dressed appropriately for it.

I agree on that. I have seen soooooooooo much worse than jeans and a t-shirt.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:09 AM
O'Mara voluntarily surrendered GZ's passport to the court...

saguaro
04-20-2012, 09:09 AM
because he does not normally dress like that, from what I have seen.JMO

He's in court. Don't people normally dress up???

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:09 AM
Attorney surrenders GZ's passport that expires next month.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:10 AM
BECAUSE HE IS AN ACCUSED MURDER, HE SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEFENDANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. He should be in his inmate uniform.



~jmo~

If it was trial he would be in a suit.

< mod snip >

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:10 AM
The wounds are still too high on the head to be the result from bashing. The scalp is very vascular and bleeds a lot. Add in the rain...

I'm hoping that Trayvon had strong fingernails that did the damage as he was defending himself. Wonder what fingernail DNA will say!

Yep! The more I think about it, I believe the true evidence will come from Trayvon's autopsy report.

saguaro
04-20-2012, 09:10 AM
The sound is much better here

http://www.wftv.com/s/watchlive/

Thank you!

It is a lot better.

pkz
04-20-2012, 09:10 AM
hmmmmmm.....looks like someone has been dieting

What'sThatClue
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
GZ wife is on speaker phone

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
The sound is much better here

http://www.wftv.com/s/watchlive/

grandmaj to the rescue! I have the grandbabies so I can't use headphones.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
GZ wife on the phone and others will testify --ON THE PHONE.

saguaro
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
BECAUSE HE IS AN ACCUSED MURDER, HE SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEFENDANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. He should be in his inmate uniform.



~jmo~

:what:

Just K
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
Same here and who was George talking to on the phone? (notice he has his cellphone up to his ear...)
Is that a cellphone or the gun. I think the first person outside with a flashlight was not a LE officer but this person who took the picture.

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:12 AM
What I've learned this morning...

Even a photo of GZ with blood dripping from his head with GPS info with exact time to the second the photo was taken is scrutinized.

It matches what GZ and LE have stated.

Who cares who took the photo?
It's there! The blood and injuries are clearly visible.
The markings on the enhanced video are in the same spots as the injuries shown in the new photo.

The photo was taken 3 minutes after the shot.

How on earth could this photo be staged?

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:12 AM
If it was trial he would be in a suit.

No need for caps btw,

This isn't the trial. Most defendants appear in jail jumpsuits for bond hearings. IMO

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:13 AM
This is absolutely ridiculous the lengths they are going to for this accused murder. His family should have been made to come to the courthouse just like any other defendant in the state of Florida.


~jmo~

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:13 AM
BECAUSE HE IS AN ACCUSED MURDER, HE SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEFENDANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. He should be in his inmate uniform.



~jmo~

Good point! I don't think I've seen anyone who is in custody wear a suit for a bond hearing.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:14 AM
He's in court. Don't people normally dress up???

Usually a motion is given and the court will accept or deny..I wonder how this got to be...

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:14 AM
This isn't the trial. Most defendants appear in jail jumpsuits for bond hearings. IMO

His lawyer is trying to present an image for the bond hearing. You know what that tells me?

His lawyer is smart.

oh_gal
04-20-2012, 09:14 AM
BECAUSE HE IS AN ACCUSED MURDER, HE SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEFENDANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. He should be in his inmate uniform.



~jmo~

Wow. My ears hurt.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:15 AM
What I've learned this morning...

Even a photo of GZ with blood dripping from his head with GPS info with exact time to the second the photo was taken is scrutinized.

It matches what GZ and LE have stated.

Who cares who took the photo?
It's there! The blood and injuries are clearly visible.
The markings on the enhanced video are in the same spots as the injuries shown in the new photo.

The photo was taken 3 minutes after the shot.

How on earth could this photo be staged?

You're right. The argument that it was staged is ridiculous. But it still has nothing to do with the case. We know there was a scuffle. IMO, this photo doesn't help GZ.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:15 AM
What I've learned this morning...

Even a photo of GZ with blood dripping from his head with GPS info with exact time to the second the photo was taken is scrutinized.

It matches what GZ and LE have stated.

Who cares who took the photo?
It's there! The blood and injuries are clearly visible.
The markings on the enhanced video are in the same spots as the injuries shown in the new photo.

The photo was taken 3 minutes after the shot.

How on earth could this photo be staged?
chain of evidence? And my 19 yr old IT whiz son can make the data on ANY pic say whatever you want it to.JMO

Emeralgem
04-20-2012, 09:16 AM
This is absolutely ridiculous the lengths they are going to for this accused murder. His family should have been made to come to the courthouse just like any other defendant in the state of Florida.


~jmo~

BBM.. You DAMN right..JMHO

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:16 AM
Wow. My ears hurt.

Sometimes, around here, you have to yell to be heard.I am sure she meant no harm JMO

Emeralgem
04-20-2012, 09:17 AM
chain of evidence? And my 19 yr old IT whiz son can make the data on ANY pic say whatever you want it to.JMO


Yes, and my 12 year old grandson can do the same...

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:18 AM
chain of evidence? And my 19 yr old IT whiz son can make the data on ANY pic say whatever you want it to.JMO

There is no "chain of evidence" for us. We are not a court of law. Neither is ABC.

We are not at trial.

Our eyes can see the injuries. The photo is clearly marked by a smartphone's GPS and time stamp info.

The photo is real. No doubt about it.

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:19 AM
The wife is a nursing student? And, why does she have a notary with her when she is testifying?

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:19 AM
Here comes the indigent status as well...both appear to be out of work, so how do they pay bills...

Does not own the home they live...

Liquid assets to come up with money for bond...None that I know of..

Indigent status....other family members with you....have you spoke about pooling money together to put up bond...We are trying to do that....

Previous discussions you have evidence of concern for your safety and your husbands...is this why you are testifying by telephone...are the other members concerned, yes they are...keep the location of potential release point to be kept secret...will YOU keep in touch with court...for any anticipated changes in G's location...Yes I will...

Since they are talking such fear...stay in jail...

She doesn't think he's a danger to his community...No concerns whatsoever...

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:19 AM
Yes, and my 12 year old grandson can do the same...

Zimmerman a threat to the community? He's not a threat to anyone other than black kids wearing hoodies.



~jmo~

Emma Peel
04-20-2012, 09:20 AM
rut-roh.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:20 AM
Prosecutor (male) coming out like a pit bull going after GZ's criminal history.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:21 AM
Bada bing - bada boom. The state of Florida ain't playing no games this morning!!!!

Emma Peel
04-20-2012, 09:21 AM
any chance someone has a bulletproof vest on?

strawberry
04-20-2012, 09:21 AM
This SA sounds angry.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:22 AM
There is no "chain of evidence" for us. We are not a court of law. Neither is ABC.

We are not at trial.

Our eyes can see the injuries. The photo is clearly marked by a smartphone's GPS and time stamp info.

The photo is real. No doubt about it.

With all due respect, it very well may be, but I was not there when it was taken, So I have some doubts. But for me, I kinda have to know the situation in which it was taken, why has the person who took it not come forward, were there witnesses? It could very well be an actual photo of his head, but was it taken while TM lay dying? THAT speaks volumes to me. Let this kid die, but here take a pic of my head to CMA. JMO

Just K
04-20-2012, 09:22 AM
If real (and I kinda think it's real, IMO), the "flat edge" of the blood hypothetically could mean falling on one's back, tapping one's head against the edge of a sidewalk during the altercation, or simply losing one's balance and falling backward.

A good chest push "let me go, get out of my way, man!" could have caused GZ a loss of balance, falling backward, if he was standing in front of TM, impeding TM's abilty to walk past/escape.

HYPOTHETICAL/JMO: GZ, is attempting to isolate TM until cops get there .. but doesn't ID himself or what authority he has (if any).

TZ zigs to get past GZ, GZ reaches instinctively for TM's sholder to slow him.

TM reacts to the shoulder grab, pushes back HARD, sending GZ backward... all this while in the grass, with the sidewalk behind GZ.

I can imagine GZ falling backward, smacking head. Again, utterly hypothetical, and JMO. this is just what I glean from the shape of the mark and blood.

However, I don't think that one linear mark looks like multiple bashings as described. I'd expect repeat dissimilar gashes/scrapes, if this "head bashing took place.". JMO

And just to add to the above BBM: There ought to be swelling and some bruising if it occurred three minutes after Trayvon was shot. Head injuries and goose eggs come up almost immediately.

The only thing slightly visible is what looks like a fingernail size gouge of skin. Like a small bit of the scalp has been dug out.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:22 AM
Here comes the STATE...whoo hooo....go get em...


Do you not agree that 2nd degee murder is a violent charge..

Ooooooo bringing up his arrests for battery on a LE officer..:woohoo:


The State is fierce...I doubt bond will be a good move on GZ's part nor will he get bonded out...no money in the family....

Reading from the arrest on the police officer...

Concerned Papa
04-20-2012, 09:23 AM
Something just isn't right here...a bystander who supposedly overheard, but did not actually see an altercation, went to the scene and immediately thought to take a photo of GZ'z injuries - 3 minutes after the shooting? Well I guess that answers one question, obviously no lifesaving measures were taken on Trayvon.


Is it just me, or does it seem like there's some kind of full court press been run at us for the last 3 days before his bond hearing tomorrow morning?

Day before yesterday "neighbors", whose names don't show up on the appraiser's site, were coming forward for the first time after 2 months talking about seeing bandages and swelling the next day.

Yesterday, Francisxxxx er a "friend" told us about self made pictures of the grievous injuries that GZ had that's gonna set him free soon as a judge sees em, and shame every journalist in the western hemisphere.

Today, "remorseful" George wants to meet with the parents of the 17 year old boy that he killed, presumably to express his sincere regrets about their loss and, of course, his own captivity.

Wonder what's next?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7806251&postcount=584

Silly me..........:banghead:

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:23 AM
WFTV keeps breaking up :banghead:

Marshmallow
04-20-2012, 09:23 AM
There is no "chain of evidence" for us. We are not a court of law. Neither is ABC.

We are not at trial.

Our eyes can see the injuries. The photo is clearly marked by a smartphone's GPS and time stamp info.

The photo is real. No doubt about it.

the photo is real but it appears someone enhanced the colors and saturation. That blood red color is not a natural part of that photo as evidenced by the odd coloring of the rest of the photos. And yes it may be blood but as it was raining, it is expected that water and blood mixed would make paths.

my questions relate to who took the photo, why Mr Zimmerman was not cuffed, why he was on a phone, and whether or not the State will have phone records for Mr Zimmerman and the phone this photo was taken on.

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:23 AM
This is absolutely ridiculous the lengths they are going to for this accused murder. His family should have been made to come to the courthouse just like any other defendant in the state of Florida.


~jmo~

If they are afraid of being seen, they could have come to court and not been on video. Why does everyone bow down to this family???

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:24 AM
What I've learned this morning...

Even a photo of GZ with blood dripping from his head with GPS info with exact time to the second the photo was taken is scrutinized.

It matches what GZ and LE have stated.

Who cares who took the photo?
It's there! The blood and injuries are clearly visible.
The markings on the enhanced video are in the same spots as the injuries shown in the new photo.

The photo was taken 3 minutes after the shot.

How on earth could this photo be staged?

It's not authenticated.....anyone could have taken this...

Emma Peel
04-20-2012, 09:25 AM
absolutely

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:25 AM
From GZ's rap sheet..."slapped her in the mouth -- asked her how it felt" threw her on the bed.

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:25 AM
It is by design. To make him look more "helpless".JMO

Next will be lowering of the chair like....opps not supposed to go there GZ has very wide shoulders

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:25 AM
WFTV keeps breaking up :banghead:

I see some icky weather in the area ( we are leaving tomorrow for Mickey's) I was thinking about heading that way today,but I hate driving in rain.

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:26 AM
This SA sounds angry.

I think it sounds like he's all about the business at hand.

ETA: OTOH...the defendant's wife sounds a little defensive and arrogant. IMO

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:26 AM
Is it wrong that I hate his wife just hearing how she answers these questions????

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:26 AM
absolutely

What Emma?? BEEEEE specific:what:


:seeya::blushing:

Emeralgem
04-20-2012, 09:27 AM
Dang it.. I have to go in to work..

strawberry
04-20-2012, 09:27 AM
I think it sounds like he's all about the business at hand.

I don't know, he sounds less angry now. I had to step away. What was that about a slap and asked her how it felt? Who did he slap?

strawberry
04-20-2012, 09:28 AM
Oh nvmd Insession just tweeted it was an exgirlfriend. Nice.

Emma Peel
04-20-2012, 09:28 AM
How much is in the website $$ ??

She doesn't know. Maybe GZ's brother knows.

That is hard to believe.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:28 AM
Is it wrong that I hate his wife just hearing how she answers these questions????

That's a little unfair, she's his wife, she didn't do nothing wrong. She's defending her spouse, as is her right.

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:28 AM
who did the SA refer to that was not in the room with her?

Emma Peel
04-20-2012, 09:28 AM
What Emma?? BEEEEE specific:what:


:seeya::blushing:

:nevermind:

I had a little flashback, is all.

oops. there's another one.

raeann
04-20-2012, 09:29 AM
I don't think the SA sounds angry.....but I do think the wife sounds angry and disrespectful and combative!

jmo

snowshuze
04-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Apparently Mr Z left the state while he was "in hiding".

whiteangora
04-20-2012, 09:30 AM
I think it sounds like he's all about the business at hand.

ETA: OTOH...the defendant's wife sounds a little defensive and arrogant. IMO

I'm picking up quite a bit of sarcasm from her. ugh absolutely

nomoresorrow
04-20-2012, 09:31 AM
I knew it - There's no proof of any death threats to his wife! Boy o' boy, GZ and everyone associated with him sure do love to embellish stories...

Just K
04-20-2012, 09:31 AM
Everyone around GZ seems to get shoved up against walls, it seems

francie
04-20-2012, 09:31 AM
who did the SA refer to that was not in the room with her?

Her brother-in-law, the one who is taking care of george's website.. robert jr?

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:32 AM
As usual, Zimmerman's minions aren't doing him any favors. I think it's hilarious. These people think they are all above the law. Sickening!



~jmo~

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:32 AM
I don't think the SA sounds angry.....but I do think the wife sounds angry and disrespectful and combative!

jmo

The wife is claiming he's not a violent man, yet his arrests are for violence...

didn't she say it was the girlfriends fault for that DV incident???

The state doesn't want him out...Glad De La Rionda is on this case.

grandmaj
04-20-2012, 09:32 AM
This is due process folks. The tone and manner of speech of the witness will be weighed. We want due process.

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:33 AM
I don't think the SA sounds angry.....but I do think the wife sounds angry and disrespectful and combative!

jmo

I think she sounds sno**y. :moo:

lisalei321
04-20-2012, 09:33 AM
OMG

The wife has no clue...

IDK

IDK

She sounds like my 12 year old...

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:33 AM
:nevermind:

I had a little flashback, is all.

oops. there's another one.

:floorlaugh:took me a minute.

Just K
04-20-2012, 09:34 AM
Oh someone else scratched him and he "picked her up and put her on the couch."

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:34 AM
So did they get to the bottom of how much money the website had made thus far?

magnolia
04-20-2012, 09:35 AM
Wow! Yep that's blood.
A lot of blood.

Yep, and it is becoming quite obvious, Zimmerman had injuries, IMO.

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:35 AM
GZ sure has had to protect himself from a lot of people.

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:35 AM
Wow, married five years and he has NEVER been angry. He is a SAINT!!!

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:36 AM
Dad's on

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:36 AM
Dad testifying.

luckyme
04-20-2012, 09:37 AM
Please dont throw stones at me!!!! George is the one that killed Trayvon, not his family. They must care about him and are standing by him. George is the one that should be punished if convicted not the family. moo Now let me duck!:seeya:

Dr.Fessel
04-20-2012, 09:37 AM
LOL No anger problems? No.

azzholes always get away. fn punks. LOL

magnolia
04-20-2012, 09:38 AM
Wow! Yep that's blood.
A lot of blood.

It's becoming very obvious to me, Zimmerman had injuries, IMO.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:38 AM
Obviously, Zimmerman didn't learn anything from his anger management classes.



~jmo~

lisalei321
04-20-2012, 09:39 AM
So did they get to the bottom of how much money the website had made thus far?

Wife had no idea...go figure?

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:39 AM
Why are all the people testifying on phone?
I want to see their actions.
Facial expressions!

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:39 AM
the photo is real but it appears someone enhanced the colors and saturation. That blood red color is not a natural part of that photo as evidenced by the odd coloring of the rest of the photos. And yes it may be blood but as it was raining, it is expected that water and blood mixed would make paths.

my questions relate to who took the photo, why Mr Zimmerman was not cuffed, why he was on a phone, and whether or not the State will have phone records for Mr Zimmerman and the phone this photo was taken on.

I do not believe the photo was enhanced. I believe his head and the blood appear to be brighter than the background because the flash was used and the picture was taken up close. It was dark.

strawberry
04-20-2012, 09:40 AM
The wife did sound defensive and arrogant. I wonder if he's ever hit her.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:40 AM
Turn the other cheek?

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:40 AM
Yep, he sure turns the other cheek doesn't he?



~jmo~

francie
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
So, since his family has no money, how's he going to live? Welfare? He can't live with his parents if he wants to be in a secret location, right?

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
Why are all the people testifying on phone?
I want to see their actions.
Facial expressions!

Fear....they are fearful for their safety so I don't understand why they want him released...

Of course they will say he's not a violent person,. yet his arrests are all for violence..not violent unless provoked...turn the other cheek???Outrageous..

No money, so I doubt bond will be met..

lisalei321
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
Dad is now a disabled vet, not a magistrate? No money??? Really?

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
Dad: He would turn the other cheek. Uhh...

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
Please dont throw stones at me!!!! George is the one that killed Trayvon, not his family. They must care about him and are standing by him. George is the one that should be punished if convicted not the family. moo Now let me duck!:seeya:

but never lie about his anger etc...........
dad says he never knew GZ to be violent:banghead:

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:43 AM
GZ's dad: "If he's provoked, he turns the other cheek." :what:

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:43 AM
LOL No anger problems? No.

azzholes always get away. fn punks. LOL

Add to that slapping his ex-gilrfriend, and throwing her on the couch ????

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:43 AM
OMG - I love this guy!!!

snowshuze
04-20-2012, 09:44 AM
I have no respect for, nor trust the integrity of ABC news.



ETA: http://www.**************/222511/casey-anthonys-lawyer-thanks-abc-news-says-network-paid-for-winning-defense/

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:44 AM
I'm liking this guy from the SA's office. :)

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:44 AM
Dad mumbling as he is asked about would you consider the attack on the le officer turning the other cheek?

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:44 AM
Wonder if some of these gun lobbying groups would raise the money for his bond if he gets it. I can see that's how he would get the money to get out.

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:44 AM
Why are all the people testifying on phone?
I want to see their actions.
Facial expressions!

They're skeered :eek:

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:45 AM
Is was an ABT officer that was the former arrest???

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:45 AM
Dad believe's son because he has been HONEST his WHOLE life.................
Dad put his head in sand allot.
GZ must be a 'golden boy' in dad's eyes..........

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:46 AM
I have no respect for, nor trust the integrity of ABC news.

Same people that funded another infamous trial....

Isabelle
04-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Family testifying by phone from notary office is overkill! No sympathy here.

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:47 AM
If GZ ever hurt wife ever, now is her time to tell and run from him.............

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Turn the other cheek?

Means slapping his ex-girlfriend

Dr.Fessel
04-20-2012, 09:47 AM
LOL Criminal Justice Major.........Yes he was.

Poor < mod snip > George lying to his dad.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Didn't this guy just take an oath to tell the truth?

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:48 AM
How can the Dad not know who is operating the website?

luckyme
04-20-2012, 09:48 AM
Dad believe's son because he has been HONEST his WHOLE life.................
Dad put his head in sand allot.
GZ must be a 'golden boy' in dad's eyes..........

It happens, believe me. Got one of those in my family. :moo: :banghead:

cityslick
04-20-2012, 09:49 AM
How can the Dad not know who is operating the website?

That's not the only site trying to collect money for GZ.

Isabelle
04-20-2012, 09:49 AM
They're skeered :eek:

Their fear is overkill! They haven't been in the media. Trying for sympathy.

Oh, now dad is commenting on head being beaten and he saw him the next day. Where are the photos!

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:49 AM
GZ is safer in jail, IMO..........keep him there.
ahh scars and beaten head.......really dad???
dad says no psyc problems

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Wanted to be able to help some people out in society?

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Always been concerned about people and society. Uh huh.

Gin
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Pappy is trying to get a little testifyin' in. Interesting. This guy doesn't use very good judgement.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Two vertical gashes on the back of his head? The ABC photos shows horizontal blood dripping. This family is absolutely the biggest bunch of liars that I've ever seen and yes, they top the Anthony bunch.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 09:51 AM
OOO OOO
questioning Dad about THE new photo.

Isabelle
04-20-2012, 09:51 AM
2 vertical gashes on the back of his head. Yep, he slammed his head into the poopscoop disposal thingy. I would bet my life on it!

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:51 AM
I love how his father is trying to give testimony during this BOND hearing.

"having his head beaten against the pavement."

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 09:51 AM
GZ's dad: "If he's provoked, he turns the other cheek." :what:

I'm pretty sure Trayvon and his family would disagree!!!!

daisy7
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
Now GZ also had a cut and swollen lip the next day?

Rob774
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
Two vertical gashes on the back of his head? The ABC photos shows horizontal blood.

Was thinking the same thing...

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
This is just incredible...

They are misrepresenting the truth to GZ's violent history...

Never a good thing...

He's always been interested in criminal justice...

Are you aware of NWP...yes...they are not to follow people...well, when they are patrolling they are not to..

Back on the DV issue...never spoke to his son about it..

Website created for his son, Yes...how much money...NO idea...who's in charge of that website...I'm not sure...I have no idea if there's any money or how much money...

Do you know if you son had any medical issues you are aware of...no mental problems correct? Well......ahhh.....I have had little contact with my son since his head was beaten...where did you see him? At his house..

O'Mara....did G ever talk to you about criminal justice...sometime in his life he'd like to be a majestrate or judge...wanted to help somehow...

What did G's head look like the day after...face was swollen, protective cover over his nose, lip was cut, two vertical gashes on the back of his head..
Did you see any pictures of that? Have you seen any of them..No

Breifly in Sanford. How long after the event..I'm not sure...not shown any pictures..

This is going to be a huge issue...but he didn't go to the hospital that night...who's to say what happened to him the next day...He could have had someone beat the crap out of him just to cover his ass...

I dont' trust this family, they remind me of that other family who went to great lenghts to muddy the waters....:banghead:

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
no emotion from GZ as people testify.........he has been 'trained' by lawyers very well.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
Mom up next.

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:53 AM
Dad says the day after the shooting, he saw GZ and GZ's face was swollen, he had a protective cover over his nose, his lip was swollen and cut, and had 2 vertical gashes on the back of his head.

lisalei321
04-20-2012, 09:53 AM
Moms up...

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 09:54 AM
Dammit! I have to go to work - already late. :(

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:54 AM
Mom's accent is thick.

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:54 AM
Dad says the day after the shooting, he saw GZ and GZ's face was swollen, he had a protective cover over his nose, his lip was swollen and cut, and had 2 vertical gashes on the back of his head.

Yet they appear to be horizontal....:maddening:

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:55 AM
Mom says they have recieved a lot of threats.
She fears for GZ's well being.

TonyGatto
04-20-2012, 09:55 AM
Dad says the day after the shooting, he saw GZ and GZ's face was swollen, he had a protective cover over his nose, his lip was swollen and cut, and had 2 vertical gashes on the back of his head.

This is the same dad that knew nothing about his son's domestic violence history.

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM
Mom says there is equity in the home they own.
Does not know amount.

She would be willing to pledge that equity for GZ's bond.

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM
words used by parents NEVER, ABSOLUTELY,ALWAYS...........I once read this is a bad way to answer while listening to OJ Simpson trial.

Just K
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM
absolutely

After the CA trial, I don't trust anyone who says "absolutely." So far his wife and his mother have said, "Absolutely!"

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM
Mom says they have recieved a lot of threats.
She fears for GZ's well being.

Then why do they want him released?

I think he's safer in PC in the county jail....

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM
This is the same dad that knew nothing about his son's domestic violence history.

What does that have to do with his injuries?

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:57 AM
Then why do they want him released?

I think he's safer in PC in the county jail....

They want him released to a safe secret location.
She just said that.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:57 AM
Let's see, vertical - At right angles to a horizontal plane; in a direction, or having an alignment, such that the top is directly above the bottom.

horizontal - Adjective:
Parallel to the plane of the horizon; at right angles to the vertical.

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 09:57 AM
I posted about this yesterday and am still baffled by the notion that bond should be determined by the family's ability to pay. WTF!! We're not talking about getting financial aid for college expenses. Bond should be set based upon the severity of the crime. :moo:

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 09:58 AM
After the CA trial, I don't trust anyone who says "absolutely." So far his wife and his mother have said, "Absolutely!"

His wife and mother are not on trial here.

Not to mention, a word in someone's vocabulary does not mean much as far as character.

JMO

LyndyLoo
04-20-2012, 09:58 AM
Does anyone here think the Judge is going to buy that these witnesses are telling the truth and being forethcoming in their answers?? Who here believes that Zimmerman Sr. does NOT know how much money has been collected on that website?? He thinks george only gets angry when provokes..and even then turns the other cheek?..Wowza..

:what:

passionflower
04-20-2012, 09:58 AM
Wondering what dad's temper and GZ home life growing up...........is he immitating what he learned? GZ wanted to be a judge like dad.

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 09:58 AM
O.M.G. - whatever!!

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 09:59 AM
They want him released to a safe secret location.
She just said that.

He's not intitled to 'special' treatment....but I do understand the high profile of this case but he's safer in PC...

luckyme
04-20-2012, 09:59 AM
Then why do they want him released?

I think he's safer in PC in the county jail....

I agree. If they r scared its gonna be more scarey if they release him. I dont think he is going to get out. moo

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 10:00 AM
He's not intitled to 'special' treatment....but I do understand the high profile of this case but he's safer in PC...

The court has authority to keep his location secret.
That's what she is asking for.

passionflower
04-20-2012, 10:00 AM
GZ is a MENTOR to a boy????? OMG

BiancaS
04-20-2012, 10:00 AM
I thought he mentored TWO kids???? I'll bet it had to do with community service or part of his school program.

daisy7
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
I want to know the name of the mentoring program.

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
He's not intitled to 'special' treatment....but I do understand the high profile of this case but he's safer in PC...

I am thoroughly convinced that FCA has opened up a whole new way of treating the defendant.:maddening:

minazoe
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
boy George is a VICTIM....always.

cityslick
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
Does anyone here think the Judge is going to buy that these witnesses are telling the truth and being forethcoming in their answers?? Who here believes that Zimmerman Sr. does NOT know how much money has been collected on that website?? He thinks george only gets angry when provokes..and even then turns the other cheek?..Wowza..

:what:

Nevertheless, I'm not sure the state has illustrated how 'violent' GZ is. Granted, I think they are a little hamstrung in this type of proceeding.

passionflower
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
Does GZ have children of his own???

Adrienne37
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
Wonder if he taught the kids to shoot first and ask questions later?

grammieto5
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
GZ is showing emotion while his mom is speaking

cityslick
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
I am thoroughly convinced that FCA has opened up a whole new way of treating the defendant.:maddening:

I am thoroughly convinced FCA has opened up a whole new way of viewing a defendant and their family members.

Isabelle
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
Two vertical gashes on the back of his head? The ABC photos shows horizontal blood dripping. This family is absolutely the biggest bunch of liars that I've ever seen and yes, they top the Anthony bunch.

Looks like halloween make-up. Funny the photo comes out on the day of the bail hearing. I don't believe it. I want medical documentation.

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
What does all this BS about GZ being alleged protective of other people and mentoring have to do with a freakin' BOND hearing??!!

redkatrampant
04-20-2012, 10:02 AM
The court has authority to keep his location secret.
That's what she is asking for.

IMVHO I think that we have seen that GZ will not stay quiet or secret. I do not think he can pull off the laying low.

who
04-20-2012, 10:04 AM
Does GZ have children of his own???
No. I think that would have been mentioned if they had kid(s).

LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2012, 10:04 AM
G is protective of people...

Recognized by the mayor for his work in the community..

Taking care of two kids...mentored his two children for the last two years.

G tried his best to give them love, good manners...G used to go see them twice a month...I begged G not to go....too dangerous...Ma if I don't go they don't have nobody..

Dangerous place where he goes to....racial background of two children AAs...nothing further..


Likes to defend other people...He tries to protect people.

You are aware of this prior cases which he was arrested..yes sir..2005

did you talk to your son about it..No

LE follows directions and orders...that G told me he never id'd himself as a police officer...did he G say he was defending himself...I don't recall that sir..

Do you have access to the website...No aaaa..I have no access to it...

BetteDavisEyes
04-20-2012, 10:04 AM
The family members sound much too scripted and well-coached. :moo:

passionflower
04-20-2012, 10:04 AM
I thought he mentored TWO kids???? I'll bet it had to do with community service or part of his school program.

yes and mom just said the one boy is AFRICAN AMERICAN..............more testimony for race issues????

Kimberlyd125
04-20-2012, 10:05 AM
IMVHO I think that we have seen that GZ will not stay quiet or secret. I do not think he can pull off the laying low.

What???
How have we seen that?

He was a free man for weeks after the shooting.
We never heard a word from him or saw a photo of him.

That's laying pretty low if you ask me.

LyndyLoo
04-20-2012, 10:06 AM
Yet they appear to be horizontal....:maddening:

I saw that picture and I can say conclusively those 2 sites on his noggin were so minor..something any kid can get if they trip and fall. The top one is not a laceration but a punture..no stitches..other is about 1 and half inch which maybe needs 1 good stitch only..however treatment is worse than injury so 95% leave it alone!

Its not a wonder the police and EMT's thought it was a minor ding on head..They like myself know true bloody messes that require immediate attentions..

Bottomline...I think george tripped and knocked his head on that tree where TM was located..NOT from head bashing!!

suzihawk
04-20-2012, 10:06 AM
This is sickening. I'm ALMOST glad I have to go to work. LOL

Keep up the good work reporting what's happening. Thanks LLL!