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nursebeeme
04-25-2012, 09:21 AM
thread for trial discussion: 4/25/2012

nursebeeme
04-25-2012, 09:27 AM
http://www.azfamily.com/video/?id=148713635&sec=507127

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 10:44 AM
looks like the cops in AZ are looking for a missing child. Hope they find her, but give me back my live feed for Gabe!

DevilsPlayThing
04-25-2012, 12:03 PM
Father of Logan { Baby Gabriel Grandfather } will take the stand today.

Should be taking stand today - Court ending early today. He is there tho and ready - so if not today - tomorrow.

DevilsPlayThing
04-25-2012, 12:14 PM
looks like the cops in AZ are looking for a missing child. Hope they find her, but give me back my live feed for Gabe!

http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/cbs-5-local-live-streaming

This link is very good for live stream. It broadcasts after others have stopped - showing the courtroom discussions with no jury present. Until the Judge says to go off record - then the stream is closed for the day - but other live streams have went off when jury exits I noticed.

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 12:53 PM
Early dismissal again today? I can't believe this judge. Lazy, much?

saba
04-25-2012, 01:04 PM
Good morning!

Here's a new article-

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/25/baby-gabriels-mother-youll-never-find-me

Baby Gabriel's mom: 'You will never find me'

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Early dismissal..and has it even started yet?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:23 PM
Oh I just checked twitter. @InSession said they were about 30 minutes away and that was 25 minutes ago. Must start at 1:30 ET. Sheesh

momtective
04-25-2012, 01:36 PM
Just started on In Session.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 01:42 PM
AZ fam.com link working thanks

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:44 PM
Finally. Sheesh

http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/kphocom-local-live-streaming

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:47 PM
What is a 403?

momtective
04-25-2012, 01:47 PM
403...404...404b...:doh: Is there an attorney in the house?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:51 PM
LOL trying to explain TS home business. I missed the beginning of this argument. TS was going to inseminate who with whose sperm? What?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:53 PM
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_403

RULE 403. EXCLUDING RELEVANT EVIDENCE FOR PREJUDICE, CONFUSION, WASTE OF TIME, OR OTHER REASONS

The court may exclude relevant evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by a danger of one or more of the following: unfair prejudice, confusing the issues, misleading the jury, undue delay, wasting time, or needlessly presenting cumulative evidence.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 01:54 PM
what difference does it make that the prosecution can bring up artificial Ins. in office or at home?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 01:56 PM
I'm awake! I'm awake! I'm awake!

aaaawwww... DEFENDANT IS SAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Well, too damn bad.

momtective
04-25-2012, 01:57 PM
Oh boo freakin' hoo...TPS's is upset! Cry me a freakin' river!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 01:57 PM
I am glad she is crying now, not in front of the jury...dont feel sorry for her...she isn't smirking now. think she is crying cause they are going to allow the IUI in the home testimony?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 01:58 PM
OFGS now TS wants to call it a day because she's in pain and took a lot of pain meds.

saba
04-25-2012, 01:58 PM
Tammi's upset. The truth is upsetting. boohoo. Can't wait to hear this testimony.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 01:58 PM
next delay will be TS going to the hospital......

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:00 PM
What's I miss? She's sad? I hit mute because I was disgusted and thought she was going to say she was in pain. She said she was sad? She acts out and makes faces? What? Because of pain meds? I've had chronic pain and it never made me act out. What did she say??

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:00 PM
Is she inferring TS is a loose cannon they can't control. I can't wait to see her now.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:02 PM
she didn't start crying until the judge said they could use the IUI testimony (re: home not the office) office insemination not allowed. home ok-then she started crying and the lawyer said she has pain from a car accident last fall. anyone know anything about that?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:06 PM
The judge is finally getting irritated. Let's get on with it!

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:06 PM
next delay will be TS going to the hospital......

She's going to have a melt down for sure and delay this trial even more. As far as I'm concerned her pain doesn't even compare to what Logan and his family have been through.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:07 PM
she didn't start crying until the judge said they could use the IUI testimony (re: home not the office) office insemination not allowed. home ok-then she started crying and the lawyer said she has pain from a car accident last fall. anyone know anything about that?

Is she in the courtroom? I was listening while doing work but not watching. Did they have the pain med excuse ready? Were they talking about her having outbursts while she was sitting there?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:08 PM
TS becomes less and less of a sympathetic defendant BY THE SECOND. She cries if we talk about her uterus? Woman grow up!! ARGHHH.

Wait. Is the court reporter wearing a PISTACHIO colored sweater? *faints*

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:09 PM
So what happens if she does go ape ***** in front of the jury? What happens then? Will that hurt or help her case?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:09 PM
Is she in the courtroom? I was listening while doing work but not watching. Did they have the pain med excuse ready? Were they talking about her having outbursts while she was sitting there?

Nope, they talked about that after she left to "compose herself".. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

saba
04-25-2012, 02:10 PM
omg- a scene in the hall i bet

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:11 PM
omg- a scene in the hall i bet

NOOOOOOO!!!! Not my uterus!!!! :please:

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:11 PM
omg- a scene in the hall i bet

Without question Saba! Oh to be a fly on the wall in that hallway. :giggle:

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Since this trial is so boring, I want o remind y'all kids that natural cosmetics as FABULOUS, and good for you.

Eat your veggies.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:12 PM
I wonder if her fisties were flying. :giggle:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:13 PM
So she was inseminating HERSELF in her home?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:15 PM
I'd love to see the video or a screenshot of her crying.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:15 PM
no straw, she wanted to to inseminate a client of hers, with her hubs sperm.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:16 PM
well I think more than one but this is one that is testifying.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:16 PM
Oh I see she's still crying. It worked for FCA remember the time she got "ill" and trial was cancelled for the rest of the day.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:17 PM
no straw, she wanted to to inseminate a client of hers, with her hubs sperm.

Ewww that's weird. Was she going to keep the baby then? Surrogate mother?

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:19 PM
Tammi dabbing eyes with tissue, clearing throat....jury look at me, look at me!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:19 PM
I don't think its weird....ITS FREAKING BAT CHIT CRAZY...

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:20 PM
no straw, she wanted to to inseminate a client of hers, with her hubs sperm.


WHAAAAAAAAAAA???? no way!!! :sick:

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:22 PM
oh yeah, she asked this lady...not sure how many others she asked. Still researching. Freaking wackadoooo:what:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Is this a colonic client?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:23 PM
oh yeah, she asked this lady...not sure how many others she asked. Still researching. Freaking wackadoooo:what:

That is effed up. She is now officially a sociopath in my mind. Or is it psychopath? Gross.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:24 PM
yes, straw

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:24 PM
We spend at least 45 minutes each session while she gave me a high colonic...#awkward

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:25 PM
OK so this isn't the IUI chick, since she had a hystro...but TS must of told her about it

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:25 PM
That is effed up. She is now officially a sociopath in my mind. Or is it psychopath? Gross.

I was thinking the same exact thing. She was grooming her to carry her child. Sociopathic

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:25 PM
oh yeah, she asked this lady...not sure how many others she asked. Still researching. Freaking wackadoooo:what:

Poor Hannah....she will one day google Tammi and see what this woman is made of. I see major problems for Hannah as an adult coming to terms with how she was adopted by her grandfather and this <modship> woman Tammi whom she calls Momma. Poor Hannah.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:27 PM
We spend at least 45 minutes each session while she gave me a high colonic...#awkward

I couldn't be friends with someone who gave me an enema!:rocker:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:27 PM
Wow they like to eat.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:28 PM
Well this testimony is much more interesting than GPS forensics. I'm nervous the witness is going to screw up and mention what she's not supposed to mention.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:31 PM
haha his sperm! omg...she said it

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:32 PM
We spend at least 45 minutes each session while she gave me a high colonic...#awkward

"oh and get this... I just got a new turkey baster, check THIS OUT!" :floorlaugh:

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:33 PM
haha his sperm! omg...she said it

Hey don't hate.... he had NICE SKIN.... :floorlaugh:

"Hey so about Sam's sperm..."

"pass the pastries?"

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:34 PM
this poor witness.....feel for her. liking the judge much better!

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:35 PM
I hope she keeps her insemination equipment separate from her colonic equipment.

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:36 PM
TPS sure is making some nasty faces....why isn't the judge doing something about that?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:41 PM
Wait she met a woman at a Jack in the Box and talked her into carrying a baby for her?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:41 PM
I hope she keeps her insemination equipment separate from her colonic equipment.

Girl, gross!!! I like how you think :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:42 PM
TPS sure is making some nasty faces....why isn't the judge doing something about that?

I think the state would have to object? Maybe not

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:42 PM
think the Jack in the box baby was a different one

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:42 PM
Wait she met a woman at a Jack in the Box and talked her into carrying a baby for her?

She said she did. I think she was laying the ground for her to take Baby Gabriel, and the JIB encounter never happened.

OMG look at her face. Beeyatch is scary.

saba
04-25-2012, 02:47 PM
She said she did. I think she was laying the ground for her to take Baby Gabriel, and the JIB encounter never happened.

OMG look at her face. Beeyatch is scary.

It did happen- the woman was pregnant when she saw them in JIB. Their names are in the 2 part police report and I thought one of the couple might testify.

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:48 PM
It did happen- the woman was pregnant when she saw them in JIB. Their names are in the 2 part police report and I thought one of the couple might testify.

Oh, I see... Thanks saba!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:48 PM
the JIB chick was pgt. and TS wanted to adopt- (that is what I got out of it) they were going to get the paperwork together, then she got gabe

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:48 PM
At the airport, who brought up adoption first? I'm thinking it was TS?

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:50 PM
I wonder what the jury thinks about these faces TS is making? Shouldn't be allowed.

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:50 PM
I really like this witness, there is just an air of honesty about her. I hope the jury is seeing it. I hope they believe every word she is saying.

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Holy frekkin sh.... :what:

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 02:52 PM
totally off topic, but check out this smilie: :razz: EEEEWWWW.

Ok, I'll be good now :notgood:

momtective
04-25-2012, 02:54 PM
At the airport, who brought up adoption first? I'm thinking it was TS?

That's what I recall. I think she probably approached many women who were either pregnant or had an infant and just boldly asked them if they wanted to place their baby for adoption. jmo

indicat
04-25-2012, 02:55 PM
I wonder what the jury thinks about these faces TS is making? Shouldn't be allowed.

It makes her look even worse (if possible). I say keep it up. The difference in her demeaner and Logan's is astounding....I hope the jury takes a good look at that. Tammi has no creadibility.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:55 PM
So crazy woman met crazy woman and a baby is gone as a result.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:57 PM
I like this witness too.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 02:57 PM
No! No lunch break! I hate this time difference it's 3 here

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 02:58 PM
whoo hoo good witness-I am going to lunch also

momtective
04-25-2012, 03:00 PM
Mistrial?

CarolinaMoon
04-25-2012, 03:00 PM
Ah the usual mistrial business!

I just got here and have to leave soon. :(

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 03:01 PM
knew it was coming.....not gonna happen

momtective
04-25-2012, 03:02 PM
wheeeewww! No mistrial. :clap:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 03:03 PM
Ah the usual mistrial business!

I just got here and have to leave soon. :(

I know! CM asked for one every day in the FCA trial. BUT. One happened here recently. It was a pretty high profile case here too..

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8526279

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8530088

smokey
04-25-2012, 03:09 PM
did you see TS get her purse and walk out while the judge was still talking?
boy oh boy...this woman has a set ;)

strawberry
04-25-2012, 03:14 PM
did you see TS get her purse and walk out while the judge was still talking?
boy oh boy...this woman has a set ;)

Yeah! Besides being rude is she even allowed to do that? Seems she has to be present to hear everything!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:37 PM
we are back!

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:41 PM
we are back!

Do you have a live stream?

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:42 PM
yep its back up...def turn

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:44 PM
http://www.azfamily.com/video/?id=148713635&sec=507127

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:48 PM
Is Tammi's "profession" one that needs a license?

momtective
04-25-2012, 04:50 PM
Oh please...where is she going with this line of questioning?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:50 PM
She is just repeating every thing the DA had asked? Why doesn't the DA object and say asked and answered?

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:50 PM
she is supposed to have one, she has been in trouble for practicing without a license

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:51 PM
sounds like either Tammi has lied to her lawyer or this witness is not telling the truth, cars? free treatment?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:51 PM
She just asked if she had received free medical treatment and she said no and the lawyer dropped it. Did she ask that knowing it wasn't true? Shady. TS looks just like a woman I used to work with..same smirk..she was a miserable person.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:54 PM
We've heard all this! She just verified every thing the DA said.

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 04:56 PM
anyone have a clue y the defense asked about the free medical and car? weird subject to bring up

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:57 PM
Doesn't TS have older kids that she had nothing to do with? Why did she want a baby so bad if she couldn't be bothered with the older ones? Didn't she relinquish custody of them or something? I'm reaching back 2 years in memory here.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 04:58 PM
anyone have a clue y the defense asked about the free medical and car? weird subject to bring up

I guess to infer she had used TS and wasn't on the up and up?

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:00 PM
Big fail imo

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:01 PM
Doesn't TS have older kids that she had nothing to do with? Why did she want a baby so bad if she couldn't be bothered with the older ones? Didn't she relinquish custody of them or something? I'm reaching back 2 years in memory here. from what I have read she didn't give them up willing. there was a horrible custody suit with former hubs. the kids have said they didn't know why she wanted them, cause she was never around..blah blah I think she has 3 older ones

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:03 PM
Does this guy have a man purse or is that gun holster?

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:05 PM
Does this guy have a man purse or is that gun holster?

u can't usually see a holster...so who knows?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 05:08 PM
I'm back! :wave:

Did I miss something important?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:11 PM
I'm back! :wave:

Did I miss something important?

Not really. The cross exam was pretty much the DT restating all the questions from direct. On redirect DA did get the witness to say that TS was obsessed with getting a baby. This is an LE who either is wearing a man purse or a gun holster we're not sure.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:14 PM
Are they going to show us the myspace? I guess they are setting the foundation to do that...

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:15 PM
TS is rubbing her neck...I am telling ya she is gonna go to the hostpital and we are going to have to wait some more.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:15 PM
Aww TS's whilplash must be acting up she's rubbing her neck. This guy has a Yuri quality to him. :blowkiss:

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:16 PM
You and I have been on the same page all day Leigh. :lol:

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:17 PM
we sure have!:woohoo: great minds think alike!

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:21 PM
Now TS is doing the Casey eye-poke trick

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Logan's dad?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Grandpa is next.

what's his story?

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:23 PM
Grandpa is next.

what's his story?

He strongly wanted LM to take custody of Gabe..was very mad that LM sort of backed off and agreed to joint custody

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 05:24 PM
He strongly wanted LM to take custody of Gabe..was very mad that LM sort of backed off and agreed to joint custody

:rocker: right on dad!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 05:24 PM
he is a retired cop, he is the reason that Logan actually recorded conversations

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 05:32 PM
he is a retired cop, he is the reason that Logan actually recorded conversations

Cool. I don't like the shirt he chose -- looks like a prison uniform. But I like him.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 05:45 PM
What is with her and big rings?

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 05:54 PM
What is with her and big rings?

Inorite????? Hey TS! The 80's called... they want their looks back!

strawberry
04-25-2012, 06:23 PM
Aww I was hoping for a stinky squirrel striking at midnight

strawberry
04-25-2012, 06:25 PM
OMG these attorneys are so confused

seattlechiquita
04-25-2012, 06:30 PM
omfg this guy is a lazy SOB. seriously.

CarolinaMoon
04-25-2012, 06:39 PM
Grrr... why did today have to be the day I had to go out? Thanks for keeping me in the loop.

Egad, we're still on the GPS???? Sheesh.

ETA: At least I got to see TS' meltdown on HLN!

leighmarker
04-25-2012, 06:42 PM
looks like I missed some stuff, anything worth talking about?
Cant watch streaming at home...just at work.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 06:43 PM
Grrr... why did today have to be the day I had to go out? Thanks for keeping me in the loop.

Egad, we're still on the GPS???? Sheesh.

ETA: At least I got to see TS' meltdown on HLN!

Oh man I missed it! I was listening when it happened but was at work and had another window up.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 06:45 PM
Tempe is pronoucned TemPEE? Huh

strawberry
04-25-2012, 06:52 PM
Oooh the claws are out between the lawyers. This guy is bright red.

saba
04-25-2012, 07:01 PM
Oooh the claws are out between the lawyers. This guy is bright red.


Whiners! Perfect for Tammi.

momtective
04-25-2012, 07:03 PM
OMG...complaining about freakin' blue ribbons the state is wearing to support victims rights! This is just too much..they are really reaching!!!

CarolinaMoon
04-25-2012, 07:04 PM
Geeze, I was hoping that the prosecution would bring up TS's facial expressions during testimony, since everybody's whining.

momtective
04-25-2012, 07:06 PM
I think the defense is feeling the waves as TPS is being drug under...they pretty much know their client is done for and all they can hope for is a major blunder by the State by which they can request a mistrial.

strawberry
04-25-2012, 07:06 PM
OMG...complaining about freakin' blue ribbons the state is wearing to support victims rights! This is just too much..they are really reaching!!!

What? I came in at the end of that..thought they were talking about ribbons the witnesses were wearing. Good grief

momtective
04-25-2012, 07:16 PM
Live feeds are down.

CathyinTexas
04-25-2012, 08:14 PM
I just had to interject here, oh my gosh! I was reading about Tammi's meltdown but hadn't watched yet, so I went and watched recorded In Session. This is getting good! I was surprised at how kind and understanding the judge was toward Tammi, and I think it shows she is very manipulative. Where is Jack??!!

MissJames
04-25-2012, 09:19 PM
So crazy woman met crazy woman and a baby is gone as a result.

Remember all throughout Caylee's case we kept asking how all these people find each other? JW ,DC,CA,JH,etc... It's like a secret society with a secret code so they recognize each other.
In this case TS was constantly on the lookout for young women who were pregnant or had a baby .

artsy1
04-25-2012, 10:34 PM
If I were on the jury, I would have wanted to ask DeeAnn:

When Tammi told you that Logan didn't want to give Gabriel up for adoption, did you say or do anything to try to convince Tammi to leave Gabriel alone?

If so, what was Tammi's response?

If not, why not? Didn't you realize how wrong that was?

MissJames
04-26-2012, 12:43 PM
If I were on the jury, I would have wanted to ask DeeAnn:

When Tammi told you that Logan didn't want to give Gabriel up for adoption, did you say or do anything to try to convince Tammi to leave Gabriel alone?

If so, what was Tammi's response?

If not, why not? Didn't you realize how wrong that was?

Good questions! I'd like to know the answers ,also.

TS strikes me as someone who comes across as a helpful friend who would convince others to confide in her. Then she would use those private discussions as weapons against anyone who didn't go along with her warped thinking.
It's clear to me that TS didn't care for anyone but herself. The babies were objects she coveted .It's scary and I can't help but wonder how far she would go. We hear horror stories about pregnant woman or newborn mothers who are murdered so an obsessed person can get their baby. The manipulations by TS ,disregarding the law and unafraid of providing the court with blatantly false documents has me convinced she might go there.JMO

Melanie
04-26-2012, 01:07 PM
Is there court today? I see the seal in the courtroom - maybe they're out to lunch.

http://www.azfamily.com/video/?id=148713635&sec=507127

Sleuths4Me
04-26-2012, 01:13 PM
I believe it starts in 15min? usually 1:30pm ET

leighmarker
04-26-2012, 01:18 PM
will they start onetime? anyone taking bets? lol

debloree
04-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Wow after all this time I finally get a day to watch this trial. I've been catching up here and on InSession. TS can't hide her nasty demeanor....Love it!

momtective
04-26-2012, 01:25 PM
Are we going to stay on this thread today or is a new thread needed?

nursebeeme
04-26-2012, 01:29 PM
I will open up the thread for today and will close this one...