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04-27-2012, 09:15 AM
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Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:18 AM
FIRST!! :giggle:
g'morning everyone.
and thank you, Ima.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
Would a gag order stop Crump and his team from talking about the case as well?
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
NO gag order
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
No gag order??!! WTH?
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
He's not going to entertain the gag order issue at this time.
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
No gag order, Judge Lester feels both sides have conducted themselves appropriately.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:20 AM
Judge will not entertain request for a gag order at this time.
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 09:22 AM
Why are they not discussing the 200,000 ?
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:23 AM
No gag order??!! WTH?
I'm happy about that. Why should Justice be "gagged"? Lester did say the gag order could be entertained at another time.
Thanks to the mod for the new thread!
francie
04-27-2012, 09:24 AM
Judge couldn’t WAIT to move on to next subject, away from gag order. This is not good for the state. jmo
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:25 AM
Sounds like a doc dump is incoming.
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 09:25 AM
Files unsealed but on case by case basis...will seal if appropriate.
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 09:25 AM
So here we have another lawyer who wanted a gag order, yet he's the only one being seen on TV ????
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:25 AM
Case by case basis for sealing discovery?
Marshmallow
04-27-2012, 09:26 AM
Judge couldn’t WAIT to move on to next subject, away from gag order. This is not good for the state. jmo
it really doesn't affect the state. it may seem like the defense is gaining some sort of ground with the tv appearances but every time they talk another glaring mistruth shows itself. the more the defense says the more likely the evidence won't match it.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:27 AM
So here we have another lawyer who wanted a gag order, yet he's the only one being seen on TV ????
The state requested the gag order I believe.
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:27 AM
Discovery becomes public record today! Doc Dump?
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:28 AM
it really doesn't affect the state. it may seem like the defense is gaining some sort of ground with the tv appearances but every time they talk another glaring mistruth shows itself. the more the defense says the more likely the evidence won't match it.
Very true Marshmallow. Let them keep talking.
~jmo~
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 09:29 AM
WOW! GZ's attorney sure is nervous? Wonder why?
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:29 AM
It feel's like everyone's antsy today ... on a swimming starter's block.
Our judge is a fast-talker. :)
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:30 AM
MO'M looks perfectly calm to me.
JMO
francie
04-27-2012, 09:30 AM
it really doesn't affect the state. it may seem like the defense is gaining some sort of ground with the tv appearances but every time they talk another glaring mistruth shows itself. the more the defense says the more likely the evidence won't match it.
I feel as though the judge has been favoring the defense, because Lester is friends with O'Mara? Something very odd about Lester's behavior. JMO IMO
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:31 AM
I love to hear Bernie talk!
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 09:31 AM
MOM wants witness statements protected.
Pros wants witness identies protected.
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 09:32 AM
Did BDLR (pros.) just say the defense asked not to be given discovery? Dang they all talk too fast. Or I need more coffee.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:32 AM
I feel as though the judge has been favoring the defense, because Lester is friends with O'Mara? Something very odd about Lester's behavior. JMO IMO
Seriously?
Lester is a well respected judge handling a case.
I am sure he is handling it as he would any other.
JMO
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:33 AM
Discovery becomes public record today! Doc Dump?
Yes. Thank you.
At first I had some faith in O'Mara but I'm currently losing my faith. What in the world did he mean by getting "discovery" today or 10 days later and he would address it then. And, why hasn't he received all the discovery from prosecution? Sorry, but this getting laughable. JMO.
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 09:33 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
–A judge in the George Zimmerman case this morning rejected Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's request for a gag order on Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara.
tpgks
04-27-2012, 09:34 AM
Is the female attorney for the media the same lady who argued in the Casey trial?
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:35 AM
LOL
The problem is the TV witness who's always out there talking. (Judge)
Marshmallow
04-27-2012, 09:35 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
–A judge in the George Zimmerman case this morning rejected Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's request for a gag order on Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara.
good. he should keep talking on tv and in the press. but it might be a good idea to talk with his client too.
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:35 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
–A judge in the George Zimmerman case this morning rejected Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's request for a gag order on Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara.
hummmmmmmm. I'm still trying to figure out this whole gag order thing? Does it apply to the media as well? I saw the media attorney up there, but didn't know the outcome of that discussion. TIA if any one knows.
francie
04-27-2012, 09:35 AM
Seriously?
Lester is a well respected judge handling a case.
I am sure he is handling it as he would any other.
JMO
Yes, seriously. I don't like what I see, reminds me of ITO. Lester comment, "Mr O'Mara is absolutely correct" on media. :eek: JMO
:moo:
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:36 AM
State is saying the 911 call should of never been released.
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 09:36 AM
Is the female attorney for the media the same lady who argued in the Casey trial?
yes. I think so.
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:36 AM
It would seem we're not the only ones that wish to gag Mr. Taafee.
Concerned Papa
04-27-2012, 09:36 AM
The judge said the witnesses he was concerned about were the ones constantly on TV, LOL......Wonder who he meant?:floorlaugh:
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Is the female attorney for the media the same lady who argued in the Casey trial?
I saw a guy arguing for the media, but don't know if he was with Casey Trial or not.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Yes, seriously. I don't like what I see, reminds me of ITO. Lester comment, "Mr O'Mara is absolutely correct" on media. :eek: JMO
:moo:
Why is that shocking?
If the man was correct, he was correct.
And it seems he was.
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Here we go ! spill it O'Mara
O'Mara bringing up the $$$$ Z had now...
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Here we go!!
TonyGatto
04-27-2012, 09:38 AM
State is saying the 911 call should of never been released.
Got on SPD's case about it. I believe it has to do with the fact that the 911 call has the deadly shot on it.
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:38 AM
Here we go ! spill it O'Mara
As if the judge doesn't know exactly what he is going to "disclose" LOL
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:39 AM
At the time of the hearing, 150k in the account.
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
donations to gz from last 30 to 45 days....has used some of the money for living expenses. amt down to 150.000.
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
The money that the FAMILY did not disclose ! HA !
150,000.00 at the time of the hearing when Omara said his client was indigent - was in Z's account.
francie
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
Why is that shocking?
If the man was correct, he was correct.
And it seems he was.
Lester said he had to read up or whatever on how to deal with media law! That doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing JMO
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
So Zimmerman and <Mod Snip> used $50,000 in living expenses.
nomoresorrow
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
Already used some of the funds for living expenses...so yes, at least George and his wife knew about, and had excess to these funds and lied about it - IMO.
francie
04-27-2012, 09:41 AM
Let's see the PayPal records of when the money was deposited. jmo
TonyGatto
04-27-2012, 09:41 AM
Prosecutor: "family members pretended they didn't have any money, when they did"
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:41 AM
$700 website administered by friend
$2000 website administered by - oh, maybe that friend too...
GZ has used some of the $200,000.
$150,000 was available in paypal & not disclosed to court. In spite of the fact that GZ was in court.
Prosecuter saw it on the news.
Pros says that changes the bond circumstances. Court should address.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Doesn't sound like he's going back to jail IMO.
Concerned Papa
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
A little quick math here....$204K in donations....$150K left?:waitasec:
They've gone through $54K in the last 30 - 45 days?
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Why is it up to MOM to investigate? Shouldn't LE investigate?
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 09:43 AM
So Zimmerman and clan used $50,000 in living expenses.
How on earth could they have used that much money in such a short period of time? :eek:
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 09:44 AM
Judge wants paypal account detail, to determine if Judge has authority over it.
MOM is doing a little dance now.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:44 AM
Why is it up to MOM to investigate? Shouldn't LE investigate?
What law was broken that gets LE involved?
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:44 AM
Absolutely ridiculous.
francie
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Judge acts as if this is no big deal, that George didn't disclose the money. JMO IMO
strawberry
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
What law was broken that gets LE involved?
I don't know..just reacting to my gut thought.
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
I'm not liking this judge. JMO Tho I don't fault him for wanting to see the paypal records.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:46 AM
I think the worst that's going to happen is he's gotta pay more money. State wasn't even asking to have his bond revoked.
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:46 AM
Rut roh, the state has something they want to approach the bench about. Hmmm.
Concerned Papa
04-27-2012, 09:46 AM
Isn't this our first sidebar?
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 09:46 AM
First bench discussion! Damnit, I wanna know it all. Not like I'm entitled to, but I wanna!
:floorlaugh:
raeann
04-27-2012, 09:47 AM
So Zimmerman and <Mod Snip> used $50,000 in living expenses.
in thirty days!!! must be a nice life they are living!!!
jmo
TonyGatto
04-27-2012, 09:47 AM
How on earth could they have used that much money in such a short period of time? :eek:
Long term housing.
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:47 AM
150,000.00 at the time of the hearing when Omara said his client was indigent - was in Z's account.
Lots of heads will roll for not being informed as to what was actually going on? I'm so confused at this point... who set up the account and managed it? IIRC, it was Zimmerman's brother. JMO.
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 09:47 AM
How on earth could they have used that much money in such a short period of time? :eek:
LOL maybe she went to the quilt shop and bought lots of fabric :-)
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:48 AM
During the Bail Hearing, didn't the GZ's wife specifically state that GZ's brother had control of the internet site and account that was collecting $? If that is so, and the brother wasn't questioned, then it's the state's/court's problem. Not sure how GZ would know what was in the account, unless he received calls/visit from family/brother that would have advised him and then aren't those video/audio taped?
Concerned Papa
04-27-2012, 09:48 AM
in thirty days!!! must be a nice life they are living!!!
jmo
Sweet gig if you can get it.
grandmaj
04-27-2012, 09:49 AM
$54,000 used? That is allot of money in 30 days.
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 09:49 AM
During the Bail Hearing, didn't the GZ's wife specifically state that GZ's brother had control of the internet site and account that was collecting $? If that is so, and the brother wasn't questioned, then it's the state's/court's problem. Not sure how GZ would know what was in the account, unless he received calls/visit from family/brother that would have advised him and then aren't those video/audio taped?
JMO, GZ knew enough about the account to spend $50,000 of it.
raeann
04-27-2012, 09:50 AM
Sweet gig if you can get it.
Even if you figure it based on 45 days, that's well over $1,000 per day!!!
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 09:50 AM
How on earth could they have used that much money in such a short period of time? :eek:
No kidding. WTF? Are they eating out for breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the Ritz on crab puffs or something? Holy moly, they are living like celebrities with using that much money in 30 to 45 days!!!! They don't even know what indigent means!
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 09:50 AM
This could be the first time that a paypal donation site has come into play in a active case, idk
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 09:51 AM
Long term housing.
There has GOT to be long term housing that is cheaper than that. Good LORD. He'll really be indigent in three more months at the rate the money is being spent.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:51 AM
Bingo! Junkasaurus just recapped GZ's wife saying GZ's brother knew about the account during the bail hearing.
i.b.nora
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Can't see the hearing but how did the amount go from $200 - $204 thousand last night to $150 thousand today?
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Did anyone catch O'Mara trying to say he didn't know about the account to the prosecutor when they were heading back to the judges chambers ? the prosecutor was shaking his head then the sound went off. LOL
francie
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Long term housing.
In a MANSION?? JMO
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
If his brother had access the funds, he may have pocketed a large sum of $$. Have to wait and see who can access the funds from paypal.
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Will they dump any docs today? TIA
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
I have no doubt that the state will verify everything that O'Mara gives them in relation to the money.
~jmo~
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
During the Bail Hearing, didn't the GZ's wife specifically state that GZ's brother had control of the internet site and account that was collecting $? If that is so, and the brother wasn't questioned, then it's the state's/court's problem. Not sure how GZ would know what was in the account, unless he received calls/visit from family/brother that would have advised him and then aren't those video/audio taped?
BBM
This is exactly how it's going to play out IMO. GZ's wife already testified that the brother was running it. GZ and family can come right out and say they didn't know how much was in the account and since the brother never testified that he didn't know how much was in there, then how do you prove anyone lied?
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
If his brother had access the funds, he may have pocketed a large sum of $$. Have to wait and see who can access the funds from paypal.
I think it was already said in court that 50,000 went to GZ's living expenses. Are you saying the brother got that money for them from the account? I'm confused here.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
JMO, GZ knew enough about the account to spend $50,000 of it.
Am not defending GZ, but what information is available to show that GZ actually spent $50,000 and not someone else?
francie
04-27-2012, 09:54 AM
Did anyone catch O'Mara trying to say he didn't know about the account to the prosecutor when they were heading back to the judges chambers ? the prosecutor was shaking his head then the sound went off. LOL
Yes! O'Mara 'whined' to prosecutor as they were leaving "Yeah but I didn't know"... right O'Mara. JMO
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 09:55 AM
WHAT ?? bob kealing @bobkealing
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Judge: Neither #Zimmerman nor his Atty will be at May 8 arraignment. Hearing over.
How can his lawyer not show up ?
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 09:55 AM
I think I might faint. Another Florida case with $200,000 and some already spent. What is it with cases in Florida and not really indigent clients?
Marshmallow
04-27-2012, 09:55 AM
There has GOT to be long term housing that is cheaper than that. Good LORD. He'll really be indigent in three more months at the rate the money is being spent.
well, there was that nifty new suit too.
it is a lot of $$$ and I think it will do more damage than good because it appears they family lied and it also appears Mr Zimmerman's atty may have avoided knowing so he wouldn't have to admit the amount in court.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 09:55 AM
No kidding. WTF? Are they eating out for breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the Ritz on crab puffs or something? Holy moly, they are living like celebrities with using that much money in 30 to 45 days!!!! They don't even know what indigent means!
Paying for housing and perhaps protection, then add in meals and incidentals. Stuff can add up after a bit.
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:56 AM
Bingo! Junkasaurus just recapped GZ's wife saying GZ's brother knew about the account during the bail hearing.
Can he/bro be held accountable for siphoning of funds? (sorry for that horrible spelling?)
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:56 AM
I think it was already said in court that 50,000 went to GZ's living expenses. Are you saying the brother got that money for them from the account? I'm confused here.
I started watching the court coverage in the last 10 minutes, so I don't know who said what. Did O'Mara say that $50,000 was used as GZ's living expenses?
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 09:57 AM
If his brother had access the funds, he may have pocketed a large sum of $$. Have to wait and see who can access the funds from paypal.
If he did, he'd be in a whole lot of trouble wouldn't he?
But I thought MOM stated that GZ used the funds, or GZ and family...that might include the brother. Hmmm...did the entire family and all the relatives go into hiding? Then, well...maybe that'd cost a lot. All JMO, of course.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 09:57 AM
WHAT ?? bob kealing @bobkealing
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Judge: Neither #Zimmerman nor his Atty will be at May 8 arraignment. Hearing over.
How can his lawyer not show up ?
I thought GZ had to be at his own arraignment? Or at least his lawyer? I am totally baffled about this.
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 09:57 AM
BBM
This is exactly how it's going to play out IMO. GZ's wife already testified that the brother was running it. GZ and family can come right out and say they didn't know how much was in the account and since the brother never testified that he didn't know how much was in there, then how do you prove anyone lied?
Yep. And from now on I will question their truthfulness or self imposed ignorance. All too slick (no offence Cityslick :)) for me.
JMO
The State did ask for an increase in bail.
tpgks
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I have not heard any official word from MOM, but this appears to be the new GZ Defense fund website. It is not open to donations yet, but should be soon. It is registered to the O'mara law office in Orlando.
I removed the link due to rules.
<modsnip>
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I hope the jail calls are released. I'm curious if there was any discussion about the paypal acct.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
Can he/bro be held accountable for siphoning of funds? (sorry for that horrible spelling?)
If the brother's name is listed as able to access the paypal account, I doubt it, unless GZ was smart enough to have some kind of contract that controlled how the account was handled.
Dr.Fessel
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
Paying for housing and perhaps protection, then add in meals and incidentals. Stuff can add up after a bit. He doesn't need to pay for protection, his wife is packing with her CWP. LOL
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I started watching the court coverage in the last 10 minutes, so I don't know who said what. Did O'Mara say that $50,000 was used as GZ's living expenses?
Uh, yeah, pretty much said that as I recall.
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I think it was already said in court that 50,000 went to GZ's living expenses. Are you saying the brother got that money for them from the account? I'm confused here.
I think that's what's being said. Bro could be in deep doo-doo, especially because of all the donators who were dooped. The initial site said for defense costs, IIRC. JMO.
$54,000 used? That is allot of money in 30 days.
JMO/IMO
That's the truth.
Now I'm just speculating, but, isn't there a Waldorf Astoria in the area? Suite, room service, cabana, massages....it's not cheap living the good life. :D
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 10:00 AM
If the brother's name is listed as able to access the paypal account, I doubt it, unless GZ was smart enough to have some kind of contract that controlled how the account was handled.
Sorry, but GZ was smart enough to be sure he wasn't charged with first degree murder. Fast on his feet, that's GZ. JMO.
I also think GZ was living with his brother, can't prove it though, so JMO.
grandmaj
04-27-2012, 10:01 AM
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"I am the real George Zimmerman," a message on the site begins. "On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries."
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It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my "Defense Fund" or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman
Remember the uproar from the previous 2 Attorneys when this site appeared? And they suggested George should maintain quiet?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/09/11104813-george-zimmerman-takes-to-web-to-raise-money-for-legal-costs-lawyers-confirm?lite
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:01 AM
Did anyone catch O'Mara trying to say he didn't know about the account to the prosecutor when they were heading back to the judges chambers ? the prosecutor was shaking his head then the sound went off. LOL
A comment like that would make me wonder whether any of the $50,000 went into O'Mara's hand? Especially with O'Mara bringing it up in court today.
JeannaT
04-27-2012, 10:02 AM
Can he/bro be held accountable for siphoning of funds? (sorry for that horrible spelling?)
What funds were "siphoned"? These were donations to GZ, from the public at large.
Interesting, I think ALL of us here knew about the donations account - why didn't the prosecution know?
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:02 AM
donations to gz from last 30 to 45 days....has used some of the money for living expenses. amt down to 150.000.
So Zimmerman and <Mod Snip> used $50,000 in living expenses.
Already used some of the funds for living expenses...so yes, at least George and his wife knew about, and had excess to these funds and lied about it - IMO.
I started watching the court coverage in the last 10 minutes, so I don't know who said what. Did O'Mara say that $50,000 was used as GZ's living expenses?
The quotes above are what I read in this thread. I can't watch the hearing at work, but I assume from those posts that it was said in court. I just don't know by who, sorry.
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
He doesn't need to pay for protection, his wife is packing with her CWP. LOL
:what: I have been out of the loop with the flu, are you serious?
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
O'Mara states the Zimmerman account was closed and that the $150,000 is in a trust account solely controlled by O'Mara.
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
What funds were "siphoned"? These were donations to GZ, from the public at large.
Interesting, I think ALL of us here knew about the donations account - why didn't the prosecution know?
No one knew. Prosection or defense. I keep thinking no wonder those first attornies "bailed out". You can't defend someone when you don't know all the facts. (Except maybe Baez. Sorry for that!) My bad.
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
A comment like that would make me wonder whether any of the $50,000 went into O'Mara's hand? Especially with O'Mara bringing it up in court today.
We think alike ;)
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
What funds were "siphoned"? These were donations to GZ, from the public at large.
Interesting, I think ALL of us here knew about the donations account - why didn't the prosecution know?
Why didn't the MO'M know? The state may have known about the site but they would have no way of knowing how much was in it.
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:05 AM
I think they will get away with this.
The brother didn't testify, so they'll all just play dumb.
Doesn't answer how they wouldn't know if they were spending money for expenses, but since the brother didn't testify they'll still get away with it.
Even if nothing comes of it, it gives more insight into these people, at least for me, and it ain't pretty. I'm fed up with all the ridiculous excuses.
200K in 30-45 days, I hope they release the donor list and amounts, we don't need to know names of small donors, but any political organizations they should release.
Gee, I wonder if Fox News, Sean Hannity contibuted?
JMHO
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 10:05 AM
O'Mara states the Zimmerman account was closed and that the $150,000 is in a trust account solely controlled by O'Mara.
THUD! :what:
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:05 AM
This is all a bunch of bull. I want to see the autopsy and all other records. This $$ thing is nothing more than a smoke screen!
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 10:06 AM
The quotes above are what I read in this thread. I can't watch the hearing at work, but I assume from those posts that it was said in court. I just don't know by who, sorry.
LOL sorry....MOM was splainin it to the judge.
Phoenixfla
04-27-2012, 10:06 AM
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They have already entered his plea.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:06 AM
Why didn't the MO'M know? The state may have known about the site but they would have no way of knowing how much was in it.
Especially since none of GZ's relatives that testified knew about the account either at the last hearing. And the one person who knew didn't testify. That can't be a coincidence. Didn't know my foot. So what did they spend, $50,000 in Monopoly money?
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:07 AM
I have to say that went as I expected it too last night, nothing, not even a slap on the wrist, O'Mara is left to find out the details. It would have been better if an investigator not partial to either side were checking out the details, I don't trust O'Mara as far as I can throw him.
It seems to me all defense lawyers are pretty much the same, resorting to sneaky, tricky ways when the going gets tough JMO :maddening:
francie
04-27-2012, 10:07 AM
If he did, he'd be in a whole lot of trouble wouldn't he?
But I thought MOM stated that GZ used the funds, or GZ and family...that might include the brother. Hmmm...did the entire family and all the relatives go into hiding? Then, well...maybe that'd cost a lot. All JMO, of course.
Could've bought a bunch of guns & other weapons too for his new hide-out & also for the family who are supposedly getting hateful emails; George LOVED his gun & he seems too paranoid to not have one, imo. I don't think LE is searching where he lives at all & he only has to 'check in' every 3 days, he can buy all the guns he wants without worry. All JMO
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:07 AM
What funds were "siphoned"? These were donations to GZ, from the public at large.
Interesting, I think ALL of us here knew about the donations account - why didn't the prosecution know?
It has nothing to do with the prosecution not knowing, they knew there was a website, it has everything to do with the amount in the account.
That wasn't up to the prosecution find out and disclose.
JMHO
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:08 AM
THUD! :what:
And, all eyes at the Fla Disciplinary Board will be on O'Mara, guarantee it!
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 10:08 AM
MOM said:
Total collected from paypal from day 1 = $204,000 (gross collected)
Amt actually in paypal acct day of hearing = $150,000 (current balance).
Difference = $54,000, gone from account. IIRC, MOM said GZ has an accounting of where it went, or was preparing that accounting?
Maybe GZ paid his 1040ES after all. That would be a big chunk. Especially with no dependents or schedule A deductions. :giggle:
Alternatively, I suppose MOM could have required a $50,000 advance retainer to cover expenses.
Phoenixfla
04-27-2012, 10:08 AM
Paying for housing and perhaps protection, then add in meals and incidentals. Stuff can add up after a bit.
I would think that the $15K that they had to post would have come from that also.
Plus paypal fees are outrageous. I wonder if the $200k is before or after paypal took their fees?
Dr.Fessel
04-27-2012, 10:08 AM
:what: I have been out of the loop with the flu, are you serious?
Yes, they both got their CWP and pistols at the same time.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 10:09 AM
Why didn't the MO'M know? The state may have known about the site but they would have no way of knowing how much was in it.
I think he knew about the site but not the amounts. I just don't think their conversations went there (about the site), he's only be talking with his client for about 3 weeks.
I understand he's a defense attorney, but from what I understand MOM has a pretty impeccable reputation as far as the legal field is concerned. I don't think he would purposely deceive the court during the bond hearing, arguing about indigent status if he knew there was a nice amount of money available.
JeannaT
04-27-2012, 10:09 AM
It has nothing to do with the prosecution not knowing, they knew there was a website, it has everything to do with the amount in the account.
That wasn't up to the prosecution find out and disclose.
JMHO
I think actually, it was. If they knew of a source of income (surely they knew) and didn't bother to ask how much was in it, it's on them.
IMHO.
I just listened again to MOM telling the judge about the Paypal accounts. What he was saying is that of last Friday, the day of the bond hearing, there was $150,000 in the account. Since that day they have used some for living expenses and used $5000 towards the bond. Then more donations must have come in and the amount is up to $204,000.
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:09 AM
I think they will get away with this.
The brother didn't testify, so they'll all just play dumb.
Doesn't answer how they wouldn't know if they were spending money for expenses, but since the brother didn't testify they'll still get away with it.
Even if nothing comes of it, it gives more insight into these people, at least for me, and it ain't pretty. I'm fed up with all the ridiculous excuses.
200K in 30-45 days, I hope they release the donor list and amounts, we don't need to know names of small donors, but any political organizations they should release.
Gee, I wonder if Fox News, Sean Hannity contibuted?
JMHO
Makes me wonder if that's why GZ's brother didn't testify last Friday. GZ was put forth as a man who had very little money with regards to bail. This whole thing stinks like yesterdays diapers but I guess the judge doesn't care.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
I would think that the $15K that they had to post would have come from that also.
Plus paypal fees are outrageous. I wonder if the $200k is before or after paypal took their fees?
Paypal fees, can't recall what they are. I used them through ebay when selling stuff, but that was nickel and dime compared to this. Need to do a look up.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
I think actually, it was. If they knew of a source of income (surely they knew) and didn't bother to ask how much was in it, it's on them.
IMHO.
Hello, they did ask, and no one knew! It's not the states fault that the defense played tricky with the money. This is just ridiculous. GZ is living large but saying he's indigent. It's an outrage!
francie
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
MOM said:
Total collected from paypal from day 1 = $204,000 (gross collected)
Amt actually in paypal acct day of hearing = $150,000 (current balance).
Difference = $54,000, gone from account. IIRC, MOM said GZ has an accounting of where it went, or was preparing that accounting?
Maybe GZ paid his 1040ES after all. That would be a big chunk. Especially with no dependents or schedule A deductions. :giggle:
:floorlaugh:
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
O'Mara also stated that $5,000 went towards the bail money from the account.
~jmo~
JeannaT
04-27-2012, 10:11 AM
Hello, they did ask, and no one knew! It's not the states fault that the defense played tricky with the money. This is just ridiculous. GZ is living large but saying he's indigent. It's an outrage!
No one knew? How could that be?
If they wanted to find out, they could surely have taken a 3 minute recess so someone with a laptop could access the account and give it a look-see.
tpgks
04-27-2012, 10:11 AM
Especially since none of GZ's relatives that testified knew about the account either at the last hearing. And the one person who knew didn't testify. That can't be a coincidence. Didn't know my foot. So what did they spend, $50,000 in Monopoly money?
If this is how it went down, brilliant legal maneuvering by MOM. The website went up on the 9th, Zimmerman was in jail on the 11th. There is no way that he had personal knowledge of how much was in the account, besides any second-hand "hearsay" information.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:11 AM
O'Mara also stated that $5,000 went towards the bail money from the account.
~jmo~
I wonder why only $5000? Why not pay off the whole thing if the money's there? Oh wait, those darn expensive living expenses! :banghead::banghead::banghead:
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 10:11 AM
I just listened again to MOM telling the judge about the Paypal accounts. What he was saying is that of last Friday, the day of the bond hearing, there was $150,000 in the account. Since that day they have used some for living expenses and used $5000 towards the bond. Then more donations must have come in and the amount is up to $204,000.
Thank you!:seeya:
octobermoon
04-27-2012, 10:12 AM
Yes, they both got their CWP and pistols at the same time.
Interesting, was she his second in command for NW? :what:
J/K
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:13 AM
No one knew? How could that be?
If they wanted to find out, they could surely have taken a 3 minute recess so someone with a laptop could access the account and give it a look-see.
The prosecution can't just access the account. They would probably have to get a warrant for that. That would be a huge privacy issue that MOM would be screaming about if they tried it without a warrant. The court system does not work that fast.
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:13 AM
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"I am the real George Zimmerman," a message on the site begins. "On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries."
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It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my "Defense Fund" or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman
Remember the uproar from the previous 2 Attorneys when this site appeared? And they suggested George should maintain quiet?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/09/11104813-george-zimmerman-takes-to-web-to-raise-money-for-legal-costs-lawyers-confirm?lite
This should be a sticky on this folder. I don't for one minute believe that GZ didn't keep up with the balance in his account. If his brother stole the money or they used it for living expenses or whatever, there is no freaking way that GZ didn't know the balance, down to the penny. :maddening:
magnolia
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
Doesn't sound like he's going back to jail IMO.
I'm not surprised. I've learned not to have any faith in what the TH's say. Much ado about nothing,IMO :rolleyes:
Phoenixfla
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
I hope the jail calls are released. I'm curious if there was any discussion about the paypal acct.
Personally, I doubt that there were any jail calls, other than to MOM (but not Mom).
JeannaT
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
They can't just access the account. They would probably have to get a warrant for that. That would be a huge privacy issue that MOM would be screaming about if they tried it without a warrant. The court system does not work that fast.
GZ was sitting right there. It seems if they wanted to know, they could say to his attorney um hey we know he has this paypal account, how much is in it? Use my laptop if necessary to access it.
In the same way the jury member, from the jury box, suggested to SP's prosecution that they ask what tax bracket SP was in during the trial.
saguaro
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
I have to say that went as I expected it too last night, nothing, not even a slap on the wrist, O'Mara is left to find out the details. It would have been better if an investigator not partial to either side were checking out the details, I don't trust O'Mara as far as I can throw him.
It seems to me all defense lawyers are pretty much the same, resorting to sneaky, tricky ways when the going gets tough JMO :maddening:
The exact same thing could be said about prosecutors.
IMO!
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
Bernie DLR's also questioned Zimmerman Sr. about this website as well. It starts at the 46:22 mark on the video below...
This is one bunch of liars. I thought the Anthony family was bad, the Zimmerman's have them beat hands down.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815
~jmo~
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
Another set of much-sought-after records may be another, bigger fight. Those are the ones collected by the special prosecutor and spelling out what evidence she has against Zimmerman.
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:15 AM
And, all eyes at the Fla Disciplinary Board will be on O'Mara, guarantee it!
Fla. disciplinary board did absolutely nothing to Baez, I suspect O'Mara won't be any different. MOO
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:15 AM
I'm really upset that the judge doesn't care. Apparently in Florida, it's okay to have big money and spend it, and also claim you're indigent. Wonderful state there.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:16 AM
Did a quick pay pal look up, 2.9% looks like max fee plus a charge for each transaction.
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 10:17 AM
I just listened again to MOM telling the judge about the Paypal accounts. What he was saying is that of last Friday, the day of the bond hearing, there was $150,000 in the account. Since that day they have used some for living expenses and used $5000 towards the bond. Then more donations must have come in and the amount is up to $204,000.
We heard it backwards? :waitasec:
So GZ earned $54,000 in paypal donations in 4 days since the bond hearing?
If I heard correctly, did MOM say they intend to continue to tap in to the donation stream by arranging a trust? Or was that just a holding trust?
Dr.Fessel
04-27-2012, 10:18 AM
If this is how it went down, brilliant legal maneuvering by MOM. The website went up on the 9th, Zimmerman was in jail on the 11th. There is no way that he had personal knowledge of how much was in the account, besides any second-hand "hearsay" information.
Zimmerman could have called Paypal from the jail for the balance. OMara could of accessed the account for Zimmerman as his lawyer.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:18 AM
O'Mara also stated that $5,000 went towards the bail money from the account.
~jmo~
If that's the case, I sure hope GZ's parents didn't mortgage their home for his bail $. If that were the case, GZ would surely be paying me back now, but pro blem here is, O'Mara is in control of the $ now, not GZ.
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 10:19 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
Two weeks ago, Zimmerman's lawyer formally asked Corey to provide the records by today, a deadline she is required by law to meet.
Once she provides them to him, they're public records, meaning they should be available to anyone who asks for them.
grandmaj
04-27-2012, 10:19 AM
O'Mara said only 5K was used for the bond.
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:20 AM
No one knew? How could that be?
If they wanted to find out, they could surely have taken a 3 minute recess so someone with a laptop could access the account and give it a look-see.
Are you implying that the state would somehow have access to GZ's paypal account? How would they have gotten that information? I don't understand why MO'M didn't demand GZ be honest with him!! :what:
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
Any legal eagles in here? I want to know how it's okay that GZ has over $200,000, but it's not a big deal to the judge. Has GZ been declared indigent? How can he maintain this status with his money making Paypal account? I just don't understand this at all. I so wish we had a legal thread for this case as we sorely need one.
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
Are you implying that the state would somehow have access to GZ's paypal account? How would they have gotten that information. I don't understand why MO'M didn't demand GZ be honest with him!! :what:
Not only that, but news about the paypal account has been all over the news from the get go!
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
And so it begins, again, another circus coming through the legal system
Isabelle
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
Am just waiting for O'Mara to say he didn't really know what paypal was.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:23 AM
And so it begins, again, another circus coming through the legal system
No kidding. We are going to need a sidebar thread for this case to keep us sane!!!!
francie
04-27-2012, 10:24 AM
If his brother had access the funds, he may have pocketed a large sum of $$. Have to wait and see who can access the funds from paypal.
O'Mara told Anderson Cooper that George fedexed him checks from PayPal donations so he must have been on the account, imo. And I can't imagine George not wanting to know how much money was in there when the entire family is supposedly so strapped for cash & he and wife "can't work" now! :floorlaugh:
:moo:
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 10:24 AM
IIRC, Fridays were always a pretty reliable bet for doc dumps. :)
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:24 AM
Are you implying that the state would somehow have access to GZ's paypal account? How would they have gotten that information. I don't understand why MO'M didn't demand GZ be honest with him!! :what:
No kidding, sheesh
MOM, the defense attorney, the one who went before the court and told the judge that the family little resources, that GZ was indigent, didn't need to do his job and verify how much was in his own client's account before going to court, an account he was well aware of prior to going to court?
The family who said in court that they knew that JR would know the amount, didn't bother to check to see how much was in there when they were trying to come up with money for bond, money that they claimed would be hard to come up with?
Riiiiiigght
JMHO
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:26 AM
O'Mara told Anderson Cooper that George fedexed him checks from PayPal donations so he must have been on the account, imo. And I can't imagine George not wanting to know how much money was in there when the entire family is supposedly so strapped for cash & he and wife "can't work" now! :floorlaugh:
:moo:
I was so hoping O'Mara was above the usual defense trickery, smoke, and mirrors. I am so disappointed that he seems to be on Baez's level with it! What else is he going to use smoke and mirrors for? What a circus, and what a ringmaster lawyer at the center of it!
LambChop
04-27-2012, 10:26 AM
I think actually, it was. If they knew of a source of income (surely they knew) and didn't bother to ask how much was in it, it's on them.
IMHO.
The hearing was to establish he had no money. MOM is the one who said he had no money. MOM is the one who took down the site. In court today MOM was the one who said he discussed the bond with the family and that they wanted to pay the full bond out of this account. Anything GZ discussed with his attorney is attorney/client privilege and that would include how much money GZ had at his disposal. If MOM did not know as he claims shame on him because he knew it was important to disclose it. jmo
Emma Peel
04-27-2012, 10:26 AM
Makes ya think a few someones had a meeting of the minds about bail amount before bail hearing.
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Will MOM be held accountable for how that money is spent?
We heard it backwards? :waitasec:
So GZ earned $54,000 in paypal donations in 4 days since the bond hearing?
If I heard correctly, did MOM say they intend to continue to tap in to the donation stream by arranging a trust? Or was that just a holding trust?
Yes, when I listened to MOM again that is what he was saying. Keep in mind there must have been more than the $204,000 that they have right now. He used some for living expenses and $5000 towards that bond. So donations were coming in before and after the bond hearing. As I said before, a large portion of the money may have come in the day GZ was arrested and thereafter. MOM has to give an accounting to the state and thats what I want. In all fairness we need all need to know when GZ was aware of the amount in the Paypal accounts. It just doesn't make sense that if the family knew of this money why would coming up with $15,000 for the bond be a problem. Makes me think the family didn't really know or were under the impression that they couldn't use any of the money for some reason.
WillenFan21
04-27-2012, 10:28 AM
Does anyone have a link to the hearing?
magnolia
04-27-2012, 10:29 AM
Any legal eagles in here? I want to know how it's okay that GZ has over $200,000, but it's not a big deal to the judge. Has GZ been declared indigent? How can he maintain this status with his money making Paypal account? I just don't understand this at all. I so wish we had a legal thread for this case as we sorely need one.
JBean set up one yesterday.
Trayvon Martin -George Zimmerman Verified Lawyer Q&A **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
LambChop
04-27-2012, 10:30 AM
Any legal eagles in here? I want to know how it's okay that GZ has over $200,000, but it's not a big deal to the judge. Has GZ been declared indigent? How can he maintain this status with his money making Paypal account? I just don't understand this at all. I so wish we had a legal thread for this case as we sorely need one.
I guess it's not a big deal for the judge because guess what, the state won't be paying for this man's defense. jmo
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 10:30 AM
No one knew? How could that be?
If they wanted to find out, they could surely have taken a 3 minute recess so someone with a laptop could access the account and give it a look-see.
That goes for both sides, yes?
JMO/IMO
Who was the one witness that's frequently on TV that the judge is concerned about? Is it FT???
Phoenixfla
04-27-2012, 10:31 AM
Any legal eagles in here? I want to know how it's okay that GZ has over $200,000, but it's not a big deal to the judge. Has GZ been declared indigent? How can he maintain this status with his money making Paypal account? I just don't understand this at all. I so wish we had a legal thread for this case as we sorely need one.
What the Judge said is that he may not have jurisdiction over the money. If the account was setup by RX, controlled by RZ and RZ was the only one with access, then the court does not have jurisdiction over it.
What'sThatClue
04-27-2012, 10:31 AM
Will MOM be held accountable for how that money is spent?
I would imagine so, now that he's put the balance in a trust account.
Elley Mae
04-27-2012, 10:31 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
O'Mara asked the judge if he could disclose a donor list and information about who had authority over the accounts in a private meeting to avoid publicly exposing contributors to "ridicule and danger."
I'm really upset that the judge doesn't care. Apparently in Florida, it's okay to have big money and spend it, and also claim you're indigent. Wonderful state there.
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Hi, I think the Judge said something about the money affecting the bail amount. Sounded to me like he would check something out. If he continues to get money like that he wont be able to claim he is indigent. People will actually hurt him by contributing to him.:floorlaugh:
Phoenixfla
04-27-2012, 10:32 AM
IIRC, Fridays were always a pretty reliable bet for doc dumps. :)
I dont think there are any documents to dump yet. I dont think the prosecution has provided any discovery that could be dumped yet. I'm guessing some time next week.
I was so hoping O'Mara was above the usual defense trickery, smoke, and mirrors. I am so disappointed that he seems to be on Baez's level with it! What else is he going to use smoke and mirrors for? What a circus, and what a ringmaster lawyer at the center of it!
If MOM was using trickery, smoke and mirrors, then he would have kept this money hidden. He came forward to disclose this of his own free will. Had MOM not disclosed this I am not sure how it would have ever been found out.
tpgks
04-27-2012, 10:33 AM
Zimmerman could have called Paypal from the jail for the balance. OMara could of accessed the account for Zimmerman as his lawyer.
I do not have a link, but I am pretty sure that PayPal would not accept a collect call from a jail. :floorlaugh:
If GZs brother had control over the PayPal account, there is no way legally that O'mara could have access without the brothers permission. JMO
LambChop
04-27-2012, 10:34 AM
That goes for both sides, yes?
The account was cancelled by MOM last week. jmo
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:34 AM
JMO/IMO
Who was the one witness that's frequently on TV that the judge is concerned about? Is it FT???
It'll be interesting to see if FT appears tonight on Anderson Cooper or one of those shows he's been on many times defending GZ.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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Hi, I think the Judge said something about the money affecting the bail amount. Sounded to me like he would check something out. If he continues to get money like that he wont be able to claim he is indigent. People will actually hurt him by contributing to him.:floorlaugh:
Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. So I guess he hasn't been declared indigent yet? I hope you're right about this. I hope people keep sending him money so it does hurt him.
ETA: Oh wait, MOM had the account shut down. Well, at least he won't be getting any more money. It just irks me that an accused murderer is apparently living better than most people right now.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:35 AM
It'll be interesting to see if FT appears tonight on Anderson Cooper or one of those shows he's been on many times defending GZ.
Oh please, Taafe, explain this to us. I really want to hear this explanation!
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 10:36 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-hearing-20120427_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer
Another set of much-sought-after records may be another, bigger fight. Those are the ones collected by the special prosecutor and spelling out what evidence she has against Zimmerman.
This is what I'm waiting for, evidence against GZ and evidence in his favor, if there is any.
LambChop
04-27-2012, 10:38 AM
If MOM was using trickery, smoke and mirrors, then he would have kept this money hidden. He came forward to disclose this of his own free will. Had MOM not disclosed this I am not sure how it would have ever been found out.
How about IRS? The Justice Department? Not disclosing it could get MOM disbarred, IMO. Not sure MOM is willing to give up his income as an attorney just so GZ can hide some money from the court. jmo
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:38 AM
If MOM was using trickery, smoke and mirrors, then he would have kept this money hidden. He came forward to disclose this of his own free will. Had MOM not disclosed this I am not sure how it would have ever been found out.
AFTER the bail hearing, which is where he SHOULD have disclosed the money first. That is still smoke and mirrors to me. He waited to disclose it to get his client a lower bail. And now he comes forward? Probably to protect himself and his reputation. He's not going down for GZ, but he'll sure use trickery to get things for his client. Not good at all in my book. He's just another sleazy defense lawyer in Florida. And I was defending him before today!
waltzingmatilda
04-27-2012, 10:40 AM
Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. So I guess he hasn't been declared indigent yet? I hope you're right about this. I hope people keep sending him money so it does hurt him.
ETA: Oh wait, MOM had the account shut down. Well, at least he won't be getting any more money. It just irks me than accused murderer is apparently living better than most people right now.
MOM has set up a GZ legal defense fund thru his law office. Someone linked it several pages ago. It isn't open for donations yet, IIRC.
magnolia
04-27-2012, 10:40 AM
If MOM was using trickery, smoke and mirrors, then he would have kept this money hidden. He came forward to disclose this of his own free will. Had MOM not disclosed this I am not sure how it would have ever been found out.
O'Mara did the right thing. I admire him for that.
LambChop
04-27-2012, 10:40 AM
Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. So I guess he hasn't been declared indigent yet? I hope you're right about this. I hope people keep sending him money so it does hurt him.
ETA: Oh wait, MOM had the account shut down. Well, at least he won't be getting any more money. It just irks me that an accused murderer is apparently living better than most people right now.
I think MOM put the $150,000 in a trust under the law firms control so they can get more money donated into the trust. jmo
dunlurken
04-27-2012, 10:40 AM
As I was just cooking some lunch... I thought about something. Who thinks $150,000 will last long as a defense fund. Flying in experts, etc. LOL. It's a mere drop in the bucket. I think the legal question here is can bond/bail be paid from a legal defense fund? I don't see why it could. Some peeps are in deep doo-doo for misrepresenting their intentions. JMO.
It'll be interesting to see if FT appears tonight on Anderson Cooper or one of those shows he's been on many times defending GZ.
Do we know if FT was a witness to what happened that night? Was he there at all that night? If not, then I think the judge was talking about another witness.
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:42 AM
I think MOM put the $150,000 in a trust under the law firms control so they can get more money donated into the trust. jmo
Hopefully, but I doubt it, that money will go to legal fees. I just don't trust MOM at this point.
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:43 AM
O'Mara did the right thing. I admire him for that.
He really had no choice. I suspect he didn't appreciate being blindsided by GZ.
mercuriod
04-27-2012, 10:43 AM
The judge said the witnesses he was concerned about were the ones constantly on TV, LOL......Wonder who he meant?:floorlaugh:
Ahh, yes, but what that told us is that Francis Taaffe IS a witness in this case!
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:43 AM
He really had no choice. I suspect he didn't appreciate being blindsided by GZ.
I think it was more that he was willfully blind, IMO.
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:46 AM
Any legal eagles in here? I want to know how it's okay that GZ has over $200,000, but it's not a big deal to the judge. Has GZ been declared indigent? How can he maintain this status with his money making Paypal account? I just don't understand this at all. I so wish we had a legal thread for this case as we sorely need one.
BBM
Didn't the judge say that he needs more information before he can reach any decision, like the paypal records?
I can understand that. I do wonder why MOM didn't already have that information before he went to court this morning, it couldn't have been hard to get?
JMHO
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:47 AM
O'Mara holding a press conference - on InSession.
~jmo~
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:47 AM
Ahh, yes, but what that told us is that Francis Taaffe IS a witness in this case!
I caught that too, I can't remember exactly what was said but it was MOM saying something about Taaffe's account being merged, and then looked over to the prosecutor and said something about him being a witness.
JMHO
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:48 AM
Just the same old crap, blah, blah, blah.
~jmo~
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:48 AM
O'Mara on In Session talking outside the courthouse.
Hopefully, but I doubt it, that money will go to legal fees. I just don't trust MOM at this point.
MOM has to give the state a full accounting of the money, then the state can ask the judge to raise the bond or whatever they feel is appropriate be done.
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:49 AM
Oh please, we need to keep in mind what Zimmerman has gone through for the last couple of months.
~jmo~
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:50 AM
O'Mara says it could've been an "over sight" by GZ ! yeah right
magnolia
04-27-2012, 10:50 AM
I'm going to say this and I hope I don't offend anyone. What in the world were the Zimmerman's thinking? It's almost if they wanted some sort of tragedy to make some $$$$$ off of. I don't think for a nano second they were worried about George. They took advantage, IMO, of the situation. And, additionally, so is O'Mara. (O'mara needs to think twice before his reputation ends up like Geragos.) Not to mention the Prosecutor in the Anthony case. (See I can't even remember his name.) Unfortunately, this is an extremely high profile case... for many reasons.
IMO, a lot of folks are making money off this case.:)
annalia
04-27-2012, 10:51 AM
O'Mara holding a press conference outside his office - on InSession.
~jmo~
He says that GZ knew about the money but it's a good thing because it showed he didn't take the money and run??
I love how he said that people gave money from their hearts and then said that he hasn't seen the records so he doesn't know who or how much each donor donated.
His spin is good, I'll give him that, his passive/aggressive manner is good too.
ETA: talking about the fake GZ twitters, and how disgusting they are and they're meant to incite. Hmmmm, I wonder if he has checked to see if any of those twitters who he says are death threats and hateful comments towards his client are fake as well, trying to incite people as a way to garner more sympathy for his client. Or are we to believe that it is all only one sided??
JMHO
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 10:53 AM
Even if GZ is not declared indigent now, could he become indigent later on during his trial?
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:54 AM
Talking now about a fake twitter account and claiming it's from Zimmerman.
~jmo~
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:55 AM
Twitter post said Zimmerman was wearing a bullet proof vest and the person stated "aim for the head."
mercuriod
04-27-2012, 10:55 AM
:what: I have been out of the loop with the flu, are you serious?
Yes, Mrs. GZ, also has a CWP and they bought their guns at the same time, how sweet the family that "packs" together sticks together, oh wait she hasn't seen him since he went into hiding so she says..
strawberry
04-27-2012, 10:55 AM
O'Mara on In Session talking outside the courthouse.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 10:56 AM
He made sure that he got that new web address out there for donations.
~jmo~
jaded cat
04-27-2012, 10:56 AM
MO'M just announced the url of the only approved websites. Can we give the links at this point?
ETA: Ooops, too late. Thanks waltzingmatilda!
uvamerica
04-27-2012, 10:56 AM
Is O'Mara having denture problems ? he's talking so fast it looked like they were gonna fall out :floorlaugh:
grammieto5
04-27-2012, 10:57 AM
Oh please, we need to keep in mind what Zimmerman has gone through for the last couple of months.
~jmo~
Yeah, he's gone through about 50 thousand!
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 10:59 AM
MOM has to give the state a full accounting of the money, then the state can ask the judge to raise the bond or whatever they feel is appropriate be done.
Thank you. I think I overreacted a bit and didn't realize what was actually said in the hearing since I couldn't watch it. I understand now. Still not totally happy, but at least something is being done.
magnolia
04-27-2012, 10:59 AM
Even if GZ is not declared indigent now, could he become indigent later on during his trial?
Good question
Trayvon Martin -George Zimmerman Verified Lawyer Q&A **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Aedrys
04-27-2012, 11:00 AM
Oh please, we need to keep in mind what Zimmerman has gone through for the last couple of months.
~jmo~
Yes, since most of us know what it is like to go through $50,000 in one month. Because we can relate to that. *eyeroll*
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 11:00 AM
Thank you. I think I overreacted a bit and didn't realize what was actually said in the hearing since I couldn't watch it. I understand now. Still not totally happy, but at least something is being done.
I think once the state sees a complete accounting of this account, they will either ask for a bond increase or possibly ask for his bond to be revoked. It will be up to the state to decide once they have the information. Somehow I don't think Bernie DLR or Angela Corey like to play games.
~jmo~
CathyinTexas
04-27-2012, 11:01 AM
LOL
The problem is the TV witness who's always out there talking. (Judge)
Was he talking about Francis? So he will be witness, I wonder for which side, lol.
strawberry
04-27-2012, 11:01 AM
Are they in front of a busstop?
CathyinTexas
04-27-2012, 11:03 AM
State is saying the 911 call should of never been released.
If it hadn't been then there would not have been a public outcry and he might not have this case to try.
annalia
04-27-2012, 11:04 AM
Was he talking about Francis? So he will be witness, I wonder for which side, lol.
Just a guess, but iirc, MOM looked over to the prosecutor when he said it so I'd say he's the prosecution's witness.
JMHO
strawberry
04-27-2012, 11:04 AM
He's sounding a little testy this morning from what I can hear over the traffic
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 11:05 AM
Zimmerman's 911 call is not what the state was referencing. It was the 911 call with the screaming and the gunshot.
~jmo~
Donjeta
04-27-2012, 11:07 AM
O'Mara says it could've been an "over sight" by GZ ! yeah right
Yeah, it happens to me all the time... I constantly overlook 200K in my account... no one can keep track of such small change...
Yes, since most of us know what it is like to go through $50,000 in one month. Because we can relate to that. *eyeroll*
I want to become indigent too, it sounds lovely.
CathyinTexas
04-27-2012, 11:07 AM
Judge wants paypal account detail, to determine if Judge has authority over it.
MOM is doing a little dance now.
I hope the prosecutor argues hard about this. It has been stated repeatedly and confirmed that it was GZ's website and his paypal account. Why is the judge so ready to ignore this? Something isn't right, jmo
Just K
04-27-2012, 11:08 AM
I don't like the way he uses the word "coincidentally." I say, we need to pay close attention to every time he says that word in the context of something he either didn't know or let slip. I noticed he uses that word when there is a question about his or his clients actions.
Also, O'Mara had no concern about the GF and the media tracking her down.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 11:09 AM
Oh well. Not the expected fireworks huh?
Handled like it should have been IMO.
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 11:09 AM
I hope the prosecutor argues hard about this. It has been stated repeatedly and confirmed that it was GZ's website and his paypal account. Why is the judge so ready to ignore this? Something isn't right, jmo
I'm hoping it's just because he wants to see it in black and white before making a ruling on it.
~jmo~
rossva
04-27-2012, 11:09 AM
Personally, I don't begrudge George Zimmerman for spending what ever he wants to. After all, he may end up going to jail for a very long time for defending his life, a lawful act.
Sweet gig if you can get it.
Kimberlyd125
04-27-2012, 11:09 AM
Is O'Mara having denture problems ? he's talking so fast it looked like they were gonna fall out :floorlaugh:
I love how he uses correct English.
annalia
04-27-2012, 11:10 AM
I don't like the way he uses the word "coincidentally." I say, we need to pay close attention to every time he says that word in the context of something he either didn't know or let slip. I noticed he uses that word when their is a question about his or his clients actions.
Also, O'Mara had no concern about the GF and the media tracking her down.
BBM
I think MOM isn't above doing some inciting himself.
JMHO
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 11:11 AM
Oh well. Not the expected fireworks huh?
Handled like it should have been IMO.
I think it went exactly the way it was supposed to happen. The judge is asking for a complete accounting of the funds, etc. which will be turned over to the prosecution to decide whether they will ask for an increase in his bond or a revocation of the bond.
~jmo~
cityslick
04-27-2012, 11:11 AM
I'm hoping it's just because he wants to see it in black and white before making a ruling on it.
~jmo~
I don't see how it's going to be proven that GZ was still running the site and the fund while he was in jail, up to the point of the bond hearing. At that point the judge may say he has not jurisdiction over it.
I'm hoping it's just because he wants to see it in black and white before making a ruling on it.
~jmo~
That's my take. I think he wants to see $$ amounts, dates, times, deposits, withdrawals before he commits to anything.
If true, I think this is a good way to go.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 11:12 AM
I think it went exactly the way it was supposed to happen. The judge is asking for a complete accounting of the funds, etc. which will be turned over to the prosecution to decide whether they will ask for an increase in his bond or a revocation of the bond.
~jmo~
The state already said they simply want him to pay more money, not to revoke his bond.
Adrienne37
04-27-2012, 11:13 AM
The state already said they simply want him to pay more money, not to revoke his bond.
They are allowed to change their minds you know.
~jmo~
CathyinTexas
04-27-2012, 11:14 AM
BBM
This is exactly how it's going to play out IMO. GZ's wife already testified that the brother was running it. GZ and family can come right out and say they didn't know how much was in the account and since the brother never testified that he didn't know how much was in there, then how do you prove anyone lied?
It was a conspiracy of dishonesty, and I believe it included O'Mara. He intentionally remained ignorant, and probably didn't ask GZ or his family directly before the hearing, on purpose. It was out there in the media that there were paypal accounts before O'Mara ever took on this case. He probably suspected there was going to some large sums of cash for him from this case, JMO.
annalia
04-27-2012, 11:14 AM
I'm hoping it's just because he wants to see it in black and white before making a ruling on it.
~jmo~
I do think that's what it is, how could he rule on anything without seeing all of the information first?
But I do have a feeling they're going to skate by on this one, not because I think that any of them are telling the absolute truth though. Sneaks, snakes and slick maneuvering.
JMHO
JeannaT
04-27-2012, 11:14 AM
That goes for both sides, yes?
Yes it does. The thing is, what interest is it for the defense to try to ferret out money he has? None, actually. It serves the defense not to look too closely at things that don't work in his favor.
I've certainly heard that. Well, we don't need to go down that trail.
cityslick
04-27-2012, 11:15 AM
They are allowed to change their minds you know.
~jmo~
Can they in this instance? The judge has already heard the state on their position, he will review the records, MOM will share it with the state and the judge will make a ruling.
saguaro
04-27-2012, 11:15 AM
I love how he uses correct English.
It's refreshing, isn't it?
IMO!
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