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nursebeeme
05-07-2012, 10:11 AM
discuss the trial here

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 10:18 AM
I just got back from vacation yesterday and red all the threads for the days I missed. Thank you all for making it easier to catch up. I've also been watching the re-cap portions of InSession that I DVR'd. I have one or two days to catch up on later, so I'll get to see the cleavage with the religious thingie!

It sounds like TS will testify today. I'll not miss a minute!

artsy1
05-07-2012, 10:30 AM
I just wanted to say this, to contradict TPS's defense. Even if your heart is in the right place, you still have to pay the price for breaking the law.

For example, Jane Jones has heard from her neighbors that John Doe is a serial child molester who hasn't been caught by the police yet. Even though she has no children herself, she feels empathy for the children who have been molested, and cries herself to sleep at night for them. So one day in the grocery store, she sees John Doe in the canned foods aisle, picks up a large can, bashes him over the head, and kills him. She says, my heart was in the right place - I had to stop him from hurting more innocent children. But she still killed a man, and has to be punished legally for her crime. And as it turns out, those were just rumors about John Doe - he never molested anyone - it was just a rumor started by a bitter ex-girlfriend. So not only did Jane Jones not check "the facts" from the beginning, she also has to pay for killing an innocent man.

I know that scenario is a much grander crime than what Tammi is accused of, but I wanted to make the point that even if you think your heart is in the right place, you need to check the facts and get all sides to a story before committing an illegal act.


ETA: And then be prepared to pay the consequences for your actions.

saba
05-07-2012, 10:32 AM
Good Morning. It's a beautiful spring day here after a hard rain last night. Got my coffee and wifi. Perfect.

Here are the streams:

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html

http://www.kpho.com/

Melanie
05-07-2012, 11:04 AM
What time is it starting today. Oh boy, if TS gets on the stand today expect some fireworks ;)

Mel

tezi
05-07-2012, 11:16 AM
I hope to be following along today also. My, if TS takes the stand today, I hope the bailiff and the judge have taken their valium, because they are going to need it....LOL You know she's not just going to answer the questions posed to her, she's going to go off on a tangent when asked something that really peeves her. I can already picture her defense attorney's defense going down in flames....

JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 11:57 AM
Glad I'm not the only one who will be glued to the feed!

leighmarker
05-07-2012, 12:03 PM
who wants to take bets on "NOT" starting on time? tee hee

tezi
05-07-2012, 12:09 PM
who wants to take bets on "NOT" starting on time? tee hee

I'm shooting for 1:30 PST this afternoon....LOL:floorlaugh:

Melanie
05-07-2012, 12:13 PM
I'm shooting for 1:30 PST this afternoon....LOL:floorlaugh:

9:30 I hope? I'm waiting - LOL

Melanie
05-07-2012, 12:17 PM
If she does testify today, I bet her attorney had her in the witness box ALL weekend to try to train her. But will it work ;)

tezi
05-07-2012, 12:22 PM
If she does testify today, I bet her attorney had her in the witness box ALL weekend to try to train her. But will it work ;)

Trained her, drugged her, he probably did both trying to get her to understand....But, he's probably fighting a losing battle, TS is going to do WHAT she wants. It's going to be a train wreck for sure!

OneLove
05-07-2012, 12:50 PM
Stopping by whenever I can; family events AND moving at the same time. Thank you, thank you for keeping us informed. I am here in spirit sending many blessings. I will NEVER forget Gabriel or the lessons he still teaches us about the faces of mental illnesses and their masks.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 12:52 PM
In Session was just replaying the LE interview with TPS where she says they wanted 2 kids, because "2 kids is the perfect family".

Wonder what her 3 biological kids think hearing that??? :what:

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 01:03 PM
Patricia Ramirez will be back on the stand today. Probably, the pros. will rest tomorrow. Ramirez is up to Jan 14 or 15.

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:11 PM
New age progressed sketch of Gabriel
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/575180_10151648635600221_756360220_24176121_114060 8553_n.jpg

Melanie
05-07-2012, 01:19 PM
hmmmm...I don't think that looks like a 3 year old. The facial features are too infant looking IMHO. Could be just me.

MOO

Mel

CA Lady
05-07-2012, 01:30 PM
It's 10:30 am in Arizona......Someone tell the Judge!!

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 01:37 PM
On InSession: Mr. Smith's attorney can't be there for his testimony. He's having a new one appointed today. That's why he hasn't been at the trial. He's a sequestered witness.

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:37 PM
Jack Smith is being assigned a new attorney.

saba
05-07-2012, 01:38 PM
Tammi looks like she's dressed for a funeral.

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Tammi looks like she's dressed for a funeral.

Her own perhaps? :giggle: Or maybe someone told her black is slimming.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 01:45 PM
Just logged in -- who is Tammi talking to on the tape?

luvlife
05-07-2012, 01:48 PM
I can't find the trial on the azfamily.com. Has anyone else been able to?

TIA

saba
05-07-2012, 01:49 PM
I can't find the trial on the azfamily.com. Has anyone else been able to?

TIA

they are on- just late - try refreshing the page

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:50 PM
I can't find the trial on the azfamily.com. Has anyone else been able to?

TIA

It's not on AZfamily but I'm getting it here http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/kphocom-local-live-streaming

Troubled
05-07-2012, 01:50 PM
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html

that is the link i have up

Melanie
05-07-2012, 01:51 PM
direct link - Tammi yapping on tape now.

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:52 PM
Well, I tried azfamily first and it wasn't on there so I went to kpho...good to know that both links are working though.

momtective
05-07-2012, 01:53 PM
direct link - Tammi yapping on tape now.

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html

They didn't even need any witnesses for this trial...all they needed was the audio recording...Tammi's going to send herself to prison all by herself.

luvlife
05-07-2012, 01:54 PM
Saba,

I owe you big! I refreshed and it worked, so thanks once again.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:00 PM
OMG "the baby" has a name. His name is Gabriel!

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:02 PM
"anybody who doesn't follow what the court says - something is wrong with them"...

TPS Jan 2010

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:03 PM
This makes me wonder what shenanigans TP and JP pulled to get Hanna adopted..

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:04 PM
"you're getting all upset"

Det. Ramirez "no, I'm not upset"

"you're right, you're not upset"


paranoia???

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:05 PM
"anybody who doesn't follow what the court says - something is wrong with them"...

TPS Jan 2010

I know!! :lol:

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:05 PM
Ah-ha...Jack's son has a condo in Nashville!

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:07 PM
She's taken rambling lessons from Cindy Anthony.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:08 PM
She seems very satisfied with what's being aired now. She was telling EJ what the "right" thing to do was.

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:13 PM
OMG if I was Tammi I would be begging them to just arrest me, send me to jail....just make it stop! But no....she just sits there looking so indignant, thinking all of this makes perfect sense and shows how much she was trying to just help EJ.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:13 PM
WTH is her attorney involved for. And calling Logan a jerk, and he hates the baby, and is an alcoholic. Grrr....

And she had only known EJ for 3 weeks at this point? OMG ~

leighmarker
05-07-2012, 02:16 PM
I don't think EJ was manipulating this BIMBO....

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:18 PM
Such selective memory...and I just love how the detective just lets her corner herself and then she wiggles, wiggles, wiggles to get out of the corner she's been backed in to. :floorlaugh:

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

OMG Seattlechiquita (((((((((hugs))))))))))) to you! I'm so sorry about the loss of your friend.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

I'm so sorry to hear this. Bless you and her family. Such a very sad thing to have to go through.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Ooh the detective is schooling her about how she played a role, not just "helped with moral support".

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Moral support and research??? Heck, she even tries to slip in how she managed to forge her cousin's name in those documents.

I'm glad Rodriguez gets her point across in spite of her attempt to snow her with an overabundance of CA blathering.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:23 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

:eek: OMG that's terrible! :hug:

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:23 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

Ah, hon - I'm soooo very sorry. Maybe today isn't a good day to be listening to Tammi's garbage. You have enough on your plate.

We're here for you if you want to talk about it.

Luv n' hugs --

Mel

saba
05-07-2012, 02:24 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

Oh Seattle, that is so awful.

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:25 PM
Donnie or Luke, Jack's two sons...:yes:

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:25 PM
Moral support and research??? Heck, she even tries to slip in how she managed to forge her cousin's name in those documents.

I'm glad Rodriguez gets her point across in spite of her attempt to snow her with an overabundance of CA blathering.

ohhh...Rodriguez is getting a bit PO'd about now with her joking and laughing about putting someone else on the birth certificate.

And you can't tell me TS didn't know she used CC's name! I call bullchit.

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Who's gay? Craig Cherry?

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Oh that splains it! They were just kidding! Dining wine! Ruh Roh she just outed her cousin. I wonder if he really is gay and if so if he was out of the closet.

saba
05-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Tammi dumps the gay bomb on Craig Cherry.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:26 PM
OMG - her cousin's gay? I thought he recently had a baby....

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Who's gay? Craig Cherry?

Allegedly. Not just gay but Very! Gay! :waitasec:

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Thanks peoples. I'd rather be here than obsessing about my girlfriend :(

Ooooh, someone's all pouty....

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:28 PM
Who's gay? Craig Cherry?

Yes, and he's SUPER GAY. Rodriguez says "I don't even know what that means".

:what:

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:28 PM
Oh that splains it! They were just kidding! Dining wine! Ruh Roh she just outed her cousin. I wonder if he really is gay and if so if he was out of the closet.

Well if he wasn't...he is now! If I was him I'd be super pizzed!

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 02:28 PM
Allegedly. Not just gay but Very! Gay! :waitasec:

VERY gay. As in really, truly, super, ultra, extremely gay. Because being gay is just not enough.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:29 PM
Allegedly. Not just gay but Very! Gay! :waitasec:

If it's not true, she's in big trouble with him for another reason now. Who would even think to joke about putting someone else's name on a birth certificate.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:29 PM
Calling her out for asking another friend to put her hubbys name on birth certificate. TS claims it was the same night they were drinking wine. Is that true? She asked her friend that at a different time, right?

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:31 PM
VERY gay. As in really, truly, super, ultra, extremely gay. Because being gay is just not enough.

Doesn't this just show how freakin' (not so smart) she is! Like someone could be a "little" gay. smdh

saba
05-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Calling her out for asking another friend to put her hubbys name on birth certificate. TS claims it was the same night they were drinking wine. Is that true? She asked her friend that at a different time, right?

Yes- on the way to the courthouse according to the friend

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Ugh! TS is so self-confident she thinks she can snow the detective.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 02:31 PM
SHE wanted to put my husband's name??????? SHE??????????

I mean, EJ is a youknowwhat, but this one is a psychopath. Wow.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Oh now she's getting whiney. Oh she gave her a name of someone who is gay. And that's ok cuz he's gay. :waitasec:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Elizabeth just used his name, oh wait, I gave her Craig's name, she wanted to make up names, oh wait, I gave her Craig's name....

waltzingmatilda
05-07-2012, 02:34 PM
Calling her out for asking another friend to put her hubbys name on birth certificate. TS claims it was the same night they were drinking wine. Is that true? She asked her friend that at a different time, right?

Thanks for the laughs everybody! Been under the weather the past several days and have been watching this trial on IS. I know only a few things about the details.

Boy oh Boy! That TS is a piece of work eh? Loves hearing herself talk IMO.

moo
wm

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:34 PM
If she only knew EJ for 3 weeks, how could she have really known that EJ had no one to help her?

Where was EJ's grandma? Where was EJ's grandpa? Where was EJ's twin brother? ....

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Oopsie! She just admitted to forgery...

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Since I learned from the Caylee case that there are certain interview techniques I recognize the "everybody makes mistakes" technique that YM and JA tried.

leighmarker
05-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Hi everyone. Out of sorts today. One of my BFFs committed suicide yesterday afternoon. I'm all effed up.

omg, I am so sorry. That has to be horrible for you. prayers and thoughts your way.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:39 PM
The more I hear, the more I like Det. Ramirez. She starts off as your friend, and zowee! "Here's where I caught you..."

waltzingmatilda
05-07-2012, 02:39 PM
VERY gay. As in really, truly, super, ultra, extremely gay. Because being gay is just not enough.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:40 PM
And why did she want Craig to submit to drug testing???

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:42 PM
So this is the document that said Craig Cherry was the father? TS forged it? Sorry for my extreme ignorance.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:43 PM
I wish Craig Cherry were on the witness list.

I keep thinking Detective Duplicitous when they say that name.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:45 PM
And why did she want Craig to submit to drug testing???

I know. But didn't she just say a few minutes ago.

"we joked and laughed about using the very gay craig cherry's name on the birth certificate" BUT SHE SAID "OH, I NEVER THOUGHT SHE'D USE IT. We were just joking!"

So how does his name end up on the court papers in her writing?

TS is a whack-a-doodle!

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:46 PM
What is she reading from?

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:46 PM
So this is the document that said Craig Cherry was the father? TS forged it? Sorry for my extreme ignorance.

That's what I heard. It's her writing, and TS said "oh yah, yah, yah, that's my writing, yah".

saba
05-07-2012, 02:47 PM
Love the list- a co-conspirator makes a cheat sheet- let's get our stories straight!

eta- and she continues to trash Logan.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 02:49 PM
So this is the document that said Craig Cherry was the father? TS forged it? Sorry for my extreme ignorance.

I could be wrong... but TS indicated she filled out forms for EJ on line. Oh... I am so confused!

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 02:49 PM
I wish Craig Cherry were on the witness list.

I keep thinking Detective Duplicitous when they say that name.

Oooooh... that would be beyond :rocker:

Thanks all seriously for the virtual hugs -- I was talking to our group of lady friends and we realized we became mothers to three wonderful young men yesterday, and they need all of us. Lesley will always be in my heart. :hug:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 02:51 PM
I wish Craig Cherry were on the witness list.

I keep thinking Detective Duplicitous when they say that name.


He was. He was the only civilian who testified without having his face shown.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:52 PM
"when this kid comes back"?

Gosh she makes me so mad!

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Rushing is not an excuse for breaking the law!

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Yes you did say No Logan's Not the Father! You can't have two dads! SMH

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:55 PM
Here's a quarter, buy a clue.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:56 PM
He was. He was the only civilian who testified without having his face shown.

Oh OK! Wow. Poor guy

Melanie
05-07-2012, 02:56 PM
Am I going to get in trouble for this?

Yes - I do believe there will be criminal ramifications.

I love this detective!

momtective
05-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Tammi: Can I get in trouble for this? :floorlaugh:

Me: Well Yeah! :doh:

strawberry
05-07-2012, 02:57 PM
She just doesn't get it. "Can I get in trouble for this?" Oh brother.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 03:03 PM
I'm taking an Excederin because I feel a headache coming on with another hour + of this. Det. Rodriguez is a real hero for those interviews.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 03:04 PM
So, she wasn't going to tell Logan to sign the papers and EJ would come back in 5 days, but...

she DID text that to Logan

she and her husband DID call Logan to tell him that

at least twice now that we've heard in TPS's own voice she tells LE to go in on that plan with her to tell Logan to sign the papers



ETA: In fact, she texted that to Logan WHILE LE was at her house....

artsy1
05-07-2012, 03:08 PM
Yes, and he's SUPER GAY. Rodriguez says "I don't even know what that means".

:what:


Maybe she meant that Super Gay is like SuperMan??? :floorlaugh:

luvlife
05-07-2012, 03:38 PM
are they at lunch?

Troubled
05-07-2012, 03:41 PM
are they at lunch?

Yes. Its been about 40 minutes so far.

leighmarker
05-07-2012, 04:15 PM
Doesn't this just show how freakin' (not so smart) she is! Like someone could be a "little" gay. smdh

is that like being sorta pregnant? :what:

smokey
05-07-2012, 04:19 PM
I wish Craig Cherry were on the witness list.

I keep thinking Detective Duplicitous when they say that name.

sorry if your post has been responded to
Craig Cherry has already testified
he was the witness we heard but they didnt show his face
:)

momtective
05-07-2012, 04:24 PM
is that like being sorta pregnant? :what:

Exactly! :doh:

I just can't imagine the jury finding her not guilty, but it's happened before so I just can't get too excited right now. How's everyone else feeling about the probability of a guilty verdict? Anyone think she will actually serve time or will she just get probation? Anyone think there's a chance of a not guilty verdict?

Troubled
05-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Exactly! :doh:

I just can't imagine the jury finding her not guilty, but it's happened before so I just can't get too excited right now. How's everyone else feeling about the probability of a guilty verdict? Anyone think she will actually serve time or will she just get probation? Anyone think there's a chance of a not guilty verdict?

IF she is found guilty (I dont see how she could be found not guilty but we all know that happens) I wonder if the jury will get to hear about her prior criminal record. I know its not lengthy. If I read correctly doesnt she have a prior forgery conviction or charge? As far as sentencing who knows. I think it will depend on the jury takes her testifying if she really does.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 04:33 PM
I wonder exactly how much of the prosecution's evidence the defense even took the time to look at or listen to before trial started, because lately Lee's had that "doe in the headlights" look about him.

Maybe that was why all he had last week was the EJ is a very pretty girl business....

Melanie
05-07-2012, 04:37 PM
I sure hope she doesn't get probation, but that sure is a possibility. I just hope she's not allowed to terrorize anymore young women into giving their baby to her!

Troubled
05-07-2012, 04:37 PM
Its back on.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 04:37 PM
Not back yet?

tezi
05-07-2012, 04:39 PM
Seattle, I am so sorry to hear about your friend. (((Hugs)))

And all I can say about TS, is she is a "special piece of work." I can't believe the things I am hearing coming out of her mouth. :what:

I'm thinking a guilty verdict, but I have to hear JS's excuses after he gets his new attorney.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Everytime she says "you know what I mean" or "you know what I'm saying" that tells me she's trying to convince the detective to believe her lies.

Stop shaking your head no TS!

momtective
05-07-2012, 04:49 PM
Here come the tears! :doh:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm not friends with the I-ACT people...

that's why they are friends with TPS and her kids on FB.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 04:54 PM
liar, liar, pants on fire. Jack has contacts in Texas!

saba
05-07-2012, 04:59 PM
"Her and her new boyfriend"- was ej dating a new boyfriend?

Melanie
05-07-2012, 05:14 PM
Logan was NEVER going to give up Gabriel. I don't believe that he was on the phone "all cool with that".

beccajo
05-07-2012, 05:24 PM
[QUOTE=Melanie;7883260]Logan was NEVER going to give up Gabriel. I don't believe that he was on the phone "all cool with that".


And I hope Logan sues their pants off and wins big time.

saba
05-07-2012, 05:32 PM
This detective needs her own TV show. She is amazing.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 05:34 PM
I wish the judge would put a stop to TS animated comments to her attorneys

Melanie
05-07-2012, 05:52 PM
LOL - you can't serve the search warrant, it's our bedtime!

HUH?????

Who's bedtime? Tammi's? Jack? Child H? You know if there was a pregnant woman who wanted to come over and talk about adopting, her door would be wide open.

I just find that excuse hilarious. Was she hiding something?

strawberry
05-07-2012, 05:55 PM
What are you guys looking for?

strawberry
05-07-2012, 05:56 PM
I missed something..how did she know they were coming with a search warrant? Is it normal to warn people?

Troubled
05-07-2012, 05:56 PM
I am betting the defense attorneys are thinking "OMG she never shuts up"

strawberry
05-07-2012, 05:56 PM
Drinking wine again! We should introduce her to Debbie.

Troubled
05-07-2012, 05:59 PM
If in doubt blame the wine. Apparently she only makes poor decisions when she is drinking wine. She must drink a LOT of wine.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:00 PM
Drinking wine again! We should introduce her to Debbie.


:partyguy: and :partyguy2:

Ransom
05-07-2012, 06:01 PM
Drinking wine again! We should introduce her to Debbie.

Better yet, she needs to be Friends with Bill W.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:01 PM
I am betting the defense attorneys are thinking "OMG she never shuts up"

I know I'm thinkng that

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:01 PM
wait.... wait... wait... pouty look.... scrunched lip.... hard breathing... rolleye... wait... tears in 5, 4, 3, 2... :floorlaugh:

Ransom
05-07-2012, 06:03 PM
I missed something..how did she know they were coming with a search warrant? Is it normal to warn people?

Det. Ramirez called to tell her and is keeping her yakking (on the phone) to not destroy evidence. :moo:

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:03 PM
She interrupts over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over!

Melanie
05-07-2012, 06:04 PM
:partyguy: and :partyguy2:

I think she's drinking too much wine to care for baby Gabriel. She's making way too many excuses and blaming it on the wine -- just like Debbie.

This detective is wayyyyy to patient. I woulda hung up on her by now!

LOL

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:04 PM
She doesn't remember what she was telling people while she was drinking, but she remembered what to look up on the computer the next day???? HUH???

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:05 PM
Well at least her smirk is gone.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:05 PM
:Banane48: Detective Ramirez Fan Club :Banane48:

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:05 PM
:partyguy: and :partyguy2:

:lol: :floorlaugh:

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:06 PM
THere's too much that you have shared...freudian slip? :lol:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:06 PM
Ignorance of the law is no excuse....

Troubled
05-07-2012, 06:09 PM
Can you tell me what you are looking for and what you have on me. I need to know what to destroy and what to say next.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:12 PM
She needs to stop talking and go get the febreeze and dryer sheets to destroy the evidence

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:13 PM
Anything I worded wrong I did not mean it that way. Anything I worded right I meant it that way. OK now just drop the charges and I'll buy you a glass of wine.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:15 PM
Lee looks like he's been through the wringer....


He looks like "OMG - pahhhhleeeeze let this trial be over!"

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:16 PM
Pschwwweeeew time for a break

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:17 PM
Haha the judge wants them to warn him if a tape is long. LOL

Marigold
05-07-2012, 06:17 PM
I think I will take this time to go out in my back yard and scrub out my ears with a branch from a cholla cactus. It can't be anymore painful than listening to TS on tape.

Troubled
05-07-2012, 06:17 PM
Really they are trying for a mistrial? Give me a break the detective was trying to get off the phone with Tammi it was Tammi that wouldnt shut up. And Tammi was the one that said she didnt have a problem with them searching.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
Really they are trying for a mistrial? Give me a break the detective was trying to get off the phone with Tammi it was Tammi that wouldnt shut up. And Tammi was the one that said she didnt have a problem with them searching.

Cheney Mason asked for a mistrial at least twice a day. Now I wish he had gotten one. It worked for a trial here recently. :eek:

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
Really they are trying for a mistrial? Give me a break the detective was trying to get off the phone with Tammi it was Tammi that wouldnt shut up. And Tammi was the one that said she didnt have a problem with them searching.

I know, wtf.... her lawyers s.u.c.k.

saba
05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
OMG. The defense is familiar with this tape. Defense stipulated to the evidence and then created the error themselves. Talk about your bottom feeders.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
Haha I have it on mute and the judges faces are priceless.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 06:20 PM
Mistrial huh? Defense never even objected to playing the video, and now says "woopsie - we really didn't want that in".

Judge: why are we even have this discussion. Was it a fundamental error that you didn't even object to it?

Judge: I'm looking at this differently, had you objected to it before.

Puhllleeezzzzeeee!

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Shouldn't get a mistrial just because the defense dropped the ball. That's what the appeals process is for.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Both defense attorneys look wiped out

Ransom
05-07-2012, 06:23 PM
OH!! other way around. TS called Det. Ramirez. Oops by me. :slap: myself

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:25 PM
Mistrial huh? Defense never even objected to playing the video, and now says "woopsie - we really didn't want that in".

Judge: why are we even have this discussion. Was it a fundamental error that you didn't even object to it?

Judge: I'm looking at this differently, had you objected to it before.

Puhllleeezzzzeeee!

But pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee your Honor,.... :please: we fvked up... :please:

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:25 PM
Lee looks like he's thinking "oh carp, this is going to continue... guess we should have done our homework better...."

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:26 PM
OH!! other way around. TS called Det. Ramirez. Oops by me. :slap: myself

S.H.O.C.K.E.R. She thought she could talk her way out of it.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:27 PM
Your honor, well, you'll see... we were having dinner at Tammy's and well... we had a little wine.... and then we all walked into a bar....

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:28 PM
Your honor, well, you'll see... we were having dinner at Tammy's and well... we had a little wine.... and then we all walked into a bar....

:rocker:

Troubled
05-07-2012, 06:29 PM
I am thinking the judge is not happy with the defense right now.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:30 PM
I think defense is grasping at straws to get the trial to end before having to put TPS on the stand.

Ransom
05-07-2012, 06:31 PM
I am thinking the judge is not happy with the defense right now.

Not at all. Why in the world did they let THAT recorded testimony into this trial? To later call "foul" seems like bait and switch. JMO since I'm not an attorney and don't pretend to be one on the internet.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:31 PM
In Session ‏ @InSession
Judge doesn't want to potentially open door to more problems, in regards to playing next audio recording. Defense has break to look over it.

Great, how long is this next tape. That might call it a day.

saba
05-07-2012, 06:31 PM
I think defense is grasping at straws to get the trial to end before having to put TPS on the stand.

you betcha.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:34 PM
In other crappy news:

Kevin McCarty ‏ @KevinKIRO
Judge Ronald Culpepper grants motion to throw out Child Porn charge against #StevePowell. #SusanCoxPowell #FindSusan

But there are still all the other charges

Troubled
05-07-2012, 06:35 PM
Maybe the defense is working on an ineffective counsel appeal.

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 06:37 PM
Well, I suppose the attorneys got so used to TS mentioning she talked to a lawyer so many times they gave up paying attention. Heck, I don't know how Det. Ramirez managed to deal with the yakkatayakkatayakkatayakkatayakkata hour after hour after hour. Pass the Excederin, again, pleeze.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 06:37 PM
In other crappy news:

Kevin McCarty ‏ @KevinKIRO
Judge Ronald Culpepper grants motion to throw out Child Porn charge against #StevePowell. #SusanCoxPowell #FindSusan

But there are still all the other charges

No way. Man, it is frustating living in WA sometimes.

strawberry
05-07-2012, 06:45 PM
Tammi has it backwards.

“In vino veritas.” (In wine there is truth.) – Pliny, the Elder, 23-79 A.D.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 06:59 PM
Looks like the judge is thinking "OMG, not more of these audio recordings..."

saba
05-07-2012, 07:02 PM
Ms. Phillips obviously unprepared after 3 day week-end. Like a fish floundering on the end of the dock.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 07:03 PM
OMFG TS lawyers are driving me nuts. Seriously, wth is wrong with them.

seattlechiquita
05-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Ms. Phillips obviously unprepared after 3 day week-end. Like a fish floundering on the end of the dock.

saba, don't hate just cuz they didn't invite you to Tammi's martini BBQ.... :woohoo:

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 07:07 PM
Sit on the carpet? Whaaa? Sort of like a girly-girly giggle chat.

LadyL
05-07-2012, 07:10 PM
"too tired to remember the details"

wth ever Tammi

tezi
05-07-2012, 07:13 PM
Looks like the judge is thinking "OMG, not more of these audio recordings..."

Well, I know I am thinking that, but that poor judge...He'll be hearing her voice in his sleep....

Melanie
05-07-2012, 07:14 PM
I think defense is grasping at straws to get the trial to end before having to put TPS on the stand.

I agree. I might go crazy if I have to listen to her say "you know what I mean, but honestly, you know, you know what I mean, but honestly, you know, yah, yah, yah".

:maddening:

Melanie
05-07-2012, 07:15 PM
shades of Anthony - she's busy writing like a mad woman!

CarolinaMoon
05-07-2012, 07:17 PM
TS really left her traces on more than one document! All because she can't spell her future baby's mommy's middle name correctly

Melanie
05-07-2012, 07:19 PM
TS really left her traces on more than one document! All because she can't spell her future baby's mommy's middle name correctly

She can't get around that can she! She did all this within the 3 weeks she knew EJ? It must have been a full time job!

LadyL
05-07-2012, 07:36 PM
with all the time spent discussing how long the recordings are going to take to listen to, they might as well have just listened to them & got it over with

Ransom
05-07-2012, 07:37 PM
What was the name of the atty to be called by the defense? Ken Sheff? help

NM: it's Ken Schutt.

LadyL
05-07-2012, 07:39 PM
Tammi mouthing "wow" "wow" "wow" at Det. R's notes about the confrontational interview, like she's offended that a detective would 'confront' her

yes, Tammi - that's what detectives do - they confront you with the truth in an attempt to get you to admit the truth

saba
05-07-2012, 07:42 PM
See ya tomorrow.

:offtobed:

momtective
05-07-2012, 07:49 PM
I absolutely do not understand how the DT is going to defend her after everything we've heard from her own mouth. Is there a defense? Was TPS ever offered a plea deal? If so why in the world didn't she take it?

artsy1
05-07-2012, 09:02 PM
I absolutely do not understand how the DT is going to defend her after everything we've heard from her own mouth. Is there a defense? Was TPS ever offered a plea deal? If so why in the world didn't she take it?

I believe I heard that there were last minute plea deal offers going back and forth the day before the trial, but neither side was satisfied with the other's offer.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 09:33 PM
She can't get around that can she! She did all this within the 3 weeks she knew EJ? It must have been a full time job!


BBM

Technically, she only knew EJ for 6 days when she "helped" EJ file the court documents with CC's name on it, since EJ didn't call her until Dec 8, and the papers were filed Dec 14.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 09:59 PM
And if Tammi really "knew" EJ, then she would have known about EJ's twin brother, and that he was friends with Logan. Then Tammi could have asked the brother to verify what EJ was saying about Logan.

Melanie
05-07-2012, 10:13 PM
BBM

Technically, she only knew EJ for 6 days when she "helped" EJ file the court documents with CC's name on it, since EJ didn't call her until Dec 8, and the papers were filed Dec 14.

Pretty dam scary to say she wanted to be a mother to EJ and provide moral support after a couple of hours. She wanted Gabriel, period - and was gonna do whatever she had to do to get him!

IMHO - I don't believe she knows where baby G is. She may have set up the getaway for EJ (and I think she did), but I don't think the baby transfer ever happened. EJ is a psychopath from what I've researched, and IMHO couldn't handle it anymore and decided just to get rid of baby G. Get rid of baby G and get rid of the problems. She just assumed (IMHO) that to tell LE that she passed baby G off she would be in the clear.

Again - MOO

Mel

momtective
05-07-2012, 10:25 PM
BBM

Technically, she only knew EJ for 6 days when she "helped" EJ file the court documents with CC's name on it, since EJ didn't call her until Dec 8, and the papers were filed Dec 14.

And 2 of the 6 days were Sat. & Sun. so she was actually working within the time frame of 4 business days. :what:

Dec. 8th was a Tuesday, Dec. 14th was a Monday.

artsy1
05-07-2012, 10:38 PM
And 2 of the 6 days were Sat. & Sun. so she was actually working within the time frame of 4 business days. :what:

Dec. 8th was a Tuesday, Dec. 14th was a Monday.


What am I missing here. How does working days fit in with how long EJ and TPS knew each other? :waitasec:

momtective
05-07-2012, 11:19 PM
What am I missing here. How does working days fit in with how long EJ and TPS knew each other? :waitasec:

Just sayin'...of the 6 days she knew EJ, 2 of those 6 were weekend days. Somehow I seriously doubt EJ spent those 2 days hangin' out with the Smith's, getting to know them. I seriously doubt EJ spent more than a couple of hours tops with the Smith's before court on the 14th and that was probably on the 8th...or was the 8th when EJ called Tammi and Tammi told her to sleep on it? When exactly did Gabriel arrive at the Smith's home, on the 8th or 9th. Any way you slice it they only knew one another for less than a week when Tammi filed the custody paperwork.