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Whisperer
06-07-2012, 05:47 PM
Did we finally ever establish that Camo Man was indeed wearing turkey camo?

If there was a Camo Man?

I will have to find the link. It was said by Clint. I know I picked up on it fairly recently. It may have been in that blog the family wrote but I do know that I read it or heard Clint state it. Clint said "Full Camo". That caught my attention. I was looking to see if the perp was wearing a hat etc.

OldSteve
06-07-2012, 06:00 PM
Did we finally ever establish that Camo Man was indeed wearing turkey camo?

If there was a Camo Man?

Yes! Many threads ago - lots of discussion, IIRC...

MizStery
06-07-2012, 06:13 PM
The cousin was only mentioned by John Walsh on America's Most Wanted and AMW gets stuff wrong all the time. For example, just last week they showed a picture of the wrong truck when doing an update on Mickey Shunick. Instead of showing the picture of the truck that LE needs to ID, AMW showed a picture of the truck that was already cleared. And just the week before they got the route that Mickey had probably ridden home wrong. I wouldn't put any stock in the cousin being mentioned by Clint unless we hear it come out of Clint's mouth.

Oh,there is plenty of misinformation and blame to pass around.

Giving inaccurate or downright false inforation is a pattern that has played out over and over.
Perhaps America Most Wanted did misspeak when 'cousin' was used in the segment dealing with Holly. Maybe,Clint said 'cousin' or maybe he didn't to John Walsh. Our lone eye witness has changed and obsured his account so many times ...I challenge anyone to give me a clear narrative of events that
morning. Then we have relatives and family who are trotted out ~a reality star cousin (who sings)and lectures that we don't know the real story..and she does??? Then,perhaps she could share with us for starters 'where is Holly'. The lone fact is ...we are no closer to either the truth or finding Holly now than over a year ago. MOO

goldiegirl
06-07-2012, 07:54 PM
This might be a dumb question...

Is it possible for someone unrelated to the family to hire a PI to investigate a case?

I'm really not sure how I feel about this case anymore. I used to be really frustrated with those who were skeptical, but now I really want answers, too. I'm not implicating the family, just saying I want to know what happened. This has really got me thinking. Is the public entitled to know what happened if it's something the family wants to keep secret? Is it unethical to butt into their business? Or do we deserve to know what happened since some of us have donated money or helped participate in searches?

If LE did, in fact, find Holly, I know they'd release it to the public, because people are still searching, posting flyers, etc. But let's say that they haven't found her but they now believe it was something other than an abduction, do you think they would tell us? I guess they have no obligation to.

Now, suppose that the family or others do know more than they've even told to LE. In this case I really wish some PI would get on the case. I don't like it when families of crime victims are exploited and have their dirty laundry aired, but if they are hiding any details from LE and misleading the public, then I would like to know.

There are PIs who choose to take on cases on their own. For example, there is a man who has made it his own personal mission to investigate the Maura Murray case. People have mixed feelings about the way he's going about it, and the family does not want to participate. But her case has been cold for a long time. He has chosen to do this on his own without payment, other than whatever he gets for releasing his book, which he claims will bring him to break even, if anything. This may not be a popular idea, but I have to admit I am tempted to encourage him or another PI to do something similar with Holly's case.

I wouldn't personally do this, of course, but just out of curiosity - can a random person hire a PI to look into something like this? I guess if they can look into cheating spouses, they can look into pretty much anybody, right? But that sounds so wrong and creepy.

I just want Holly found.:banghead:

wishuwerehere
06-07-2012, 08:42 PM
When you look at the statement of known facts that Carla posted and weigh that against how desolate the area is she lived in, she was as low risk a victim as you could find, but an extremely high risk victim to any local predators who knew her situation in life. This was a PLANNED attack on her property, on a Wednesday morning (one of the two days during the week she attended classes and left home at 7:40AM~), in the middle of nowhere, by a man in full camoflauge clothing, in no hurry to abduct her, partially witnessed by her brother when he was not usually home, blood found where her brother saw silhouettes kneeling in the garage and she is escorted off the property towards the woods within a couple minutes of CB seeing figures in the garage. How many people could navigate the woods on her property and disappear within minutes of LE being on the scene? The suspect list in this case was very short and is probably very, very small right now. This case has been bogged down for over a year now with NOTHING new, it's a stalemate.
The 250k reward is also very misleading, I believe 25k was what was originally offered, 5k from local LE, 50k from governor and the 170k that was later added is questionable because it has no obvious backing behind it (anonymous donor and no bank account affiliated with it), MSM didn't even bother to report on it. This case could of used the media in the worst way to progress it, but everyone seems fine with it being handled behind closed doors and it is leading nowhere.

BBM – I see the opposite being the bigger possibility. This was not a planned crime and the only one who has disappeared is Holly. The perp never disappeared. He is and has been right there the whole time.

The fact that Holly’s blood was found in the carport supports the theory that Holly was killed on her property. She never walked off the property with the perp. Holly was abducted alright, after she was killed.

I believe this was a “in the heat of the moment” type of crime. An argument ensued between Holly and the perp, things got out of hand, and Holly was struck and killed out of anger. The perp panicked. (You know what they say, the cover-up is always worse than the actual crime?) Holly was then removed (“abducted” [or should we say a “home invasion” occurred?]) from the scene. Some of Holly’s items were strewn about town in a way to make us believe that the perp traveled that way.

jmo

Plumeria5
06-07-2012, 08:58 PM
Just follow the story about the Darden Pastor who cold-c*cked the father of the bride. You will see how LE works in the Deep South. Pastors and Sheriffs are tight. They keep their communities run the way they want them to run. I bet the church/pastor receives and handles some of the monies collected from this case....and there was a lot of it.

This case reeks of a cover-up. Any LE in the country would be able to figure out this case when they arrive within 10 minutes of a crime and there is an eye witness. Are you kidding me?

I like how you don't beat around the bush and tell it like it is!:goodpost:

docwho3
06-08-2012, 12:59 AM
. . . various evidence being found (and a lot not disclosed)
does not indicate a run away,. . .
The evidence which was found away from the home,
more than anything else, is what has tilted me towards this being
a crime rather than a runaway case.

There are some few things which I have repeatedly read about in crimes
but not in runaway cases.

There are some sorts of things one finds in both types of cases but there
are those few things which do not seem to overlap.
(Though I admit that just because I have not seen a thing overlap yet
in the cases I have read does not mean it could never happen.)

Carla Lashelle
06-08-2012, 08:14 AM
BBM – I see the opposite being the bigger possibility. This was not a planned crime and the only one who has disappeared is Holly. The perp never disappeared. He is and has been right there the whole time.

The fact that Holly’s blood was found in the carport supports the theory that Holly was killed on her property. She never walked off the property with the perp. Holly was abducted alright, after she was killed.

I believe this was a “in the heat of the moment” type of crime. An argument ensued between Holly and the perp, things got out of hand, and Holly was struck and killed out of anger. The perp panicked. (You know what they say, the cover-up is always worse than the actual crime?) Holly was then removed (“abducted” [or should we say a “home invasion” occurred?]) from the scene. Some of Holly’s items were strewn about town in a way to make us believe that the perp traveled that way.

jmo

The blood found was said to be a small amount not indicative of a lethal injury. And, there would not be much time to get rid of a body even if this were the case (am 1000% sure its not). Since there were screams heard by a neighbor, 911 calls made not by the family, etc. It would be hard to kill someone, totally drag the body off and hide it in such a short time without leaving more evidence. And, we do have Clint saying he saw them walking away. Seemingly the FBI believes this.

nosyone
06-08-2012, 10:05 AM
Ergo - Holly was taken by someone local who wants her but knows she is or will not be interested in him, OR Holly was taken by someone who recently saw her and realized he had the opportunity to take her. Because the thug was in turkey camouflage gear, must be local or familiar with customs of area - knowing it was the 1st day of turkey hunting and seemingly using that to advantage...

Your last statement caught my eye! Using that to advantage could have more than one meaning!!!!!

Frogzilla
06-08-2012, 12:29 PM
Turkey hunting season starts the first week of April in TN, so it was not the starting date.
I took a quick look for a website to confirm, couldn't find it, but I am 99.99% sure of this.

OldSteve
06-08-2012, 01:04 PM
Turkey hunting season starts the first week of April in TN, so it was not the starting date.
I took a quick look for a website to confirm, couldn't find it, but I am 99.99% sure of this.

Thanks, and actually, that it would be second week of the season or so, perhaps even better for a thug since there might be less people in the woods, yet it he would still fit in as someone hunting!

wishuwerehere
06-08-2012, 02:17 PM
The blood found was said to be a small amount not indicative of a lethal injury. And, there would not be much time to get rid of a body even if this were the case (am 1000% sure its not). Since there were screams heard by a neighbor, 911 calls made not by the family, etc. It would be hard to kill someone, totally drag the body off and hide it in such a short time without leaving more evidence. And, we do have Clint saying he saw them walking away. Seemingly the FBI believes this.

First things first: A fatal injury does not always produce a lot of blood (neck breaking, blow to the temple, a hit in the nose just so, strangling, etc.). There could have been a scuffle which produced a little bit of blood, then a fatal strike was committed that produced no blood.

Second: AFAIK there was a scream (singular) heard by the neighbor, not screams. If I am wrong about this, please direct me to the correct source/link. I want to understand correctly. And I am not sure why you stated that a 911 call made by a non family member has anything to do with whether Holly was killed on her property or not?

Third: Who said anything about dragging a body off? I believe her body could have been stashed (maybe in the trunk of a car?) and removed later along with her belongings.

Fourth: The theory I have laid out about Holly being killed on her property is one that suspects Clint’s story as being incorrect.

Fifth: Whether the FBI believes what has been told or not, I don’t know. But are you saying the FBI has never believed a lie before this crime?

Also, I don’t know how you can be 1000% sure about anything in this case. More power to ya!

jmo

Carla Lashelle
06-08-2012, 03:52 PM
First things first: A fatal injury does not always produce a lot of blood (neck breaking, blow to the temple, a hit in the nose just so, strangling, etc.). There could have been a scuffle which produced a little bit of blood, then a fatal strike was committed that produced no blood.

Second: AFAIK there was a scream (singular) heard by the neighbor, not screams. If I am wrong about this, please direct me to the correct source/link. I want to understand correctly. And I am not sure why you stated that a 911 call made by a non family member has anything to do with whether Holly was killed on her property or not?

Third: Who said anything about dragging a body off? I believe her body could have been stashed (maybe in the trunk of a car?) and removed later along with her belongings.

Fourth: The theory I have laid out about Holly being killed on her property is one that suspects Clint’s story as being incorrect.

Fifth: Whether the FBI believes what has been told or not, I don’t know. But are you saying the FBI has never believed a lie before this crime?

Also, I don’t know how you can be 1000% sure about anything in this case. More power to ya!

jmo



Well Holly was moving pretty good if she was strangled or had a broken neck, since she was seen in the garage and back yard. LE also said they had found the location that they had entered the woods (so I assume there were foot prints or some other evidence that they had gone in that direction).

IIRC it was screams not scream but it really doesn't matter... the neighbor heard it. As mentioned before there is a video (link posted here wayyy back) interview with the neighbor about it.

The 911 call by the neighbor starts the clock by which LE would arrive at the Bobo house. Its very important (maybe not to you but to me). Assuming (big assumption) that Holly was killed on the spot at 8:30-8:40 how would someone know the cops were coming? Would they/could they hide the body in a short time? What about possible evidence found that Holly and the susupect had left the property?

It was LE that said the blood found was not a lethal amount.

LE was camped out at the house for some time so I am not sure the family had the body stashed in a car trunk there, etc. But then I do not believe this scenario at all. Its unlikely with LEs presence at the house there that someone would take the family car out to leave clues scattered around town.

Although Clint's story is vague, it has seemingly held up to inspection by local LE, the TBI and FBI. I am sure they get duped sometimes but look at how fast more bogus stories unravel. Take the Runaway Bride for example... If the FBI, TBI etc still consider this active and still consider this an abduction then I assume it is an abduction.

I can be sure of things that I know not to be true or that (to me) seem to be totally absurd and made up

wishuwerehere
06-08-2012, 05:29 PM
Well Holly was moving pretty good if she was strangled or had a broken neck, since she was seen in the garage and back yard. LE also said they had found the location that they had entered the woods (so I assume there were foot prints or some other evidence that they had gone in that direction).

IIRC it was screams not scream but it really doesn't matter... the neighbor heard it. As mentioned before there is a video (link posted here wayyy back) interview with the neighbor about it.

The 911 call by the neighbor starts the clock by which LE would arrive at the Bobo house. Its very important (maybe not to you but to me). Assuming (big assumption) that Holly was killed on the spot at 8:30-8:40 how would someone know the cops were coming? Would they/could they hide the body in a short time? What about possible evidence found that Holly and the susupect had left the property?

It was LE that said the blood found was not a lethal amount.

LE was camped out at the house for some time so I am not sure the family had the body stashed in a car trunk there, etc. But then I do not believe this scenario at all. Its unlikely with LEs presence at the house there that someone would take the family car out to leave clues scattered around town.

Although Clint's story is vague, it has seemingly held up to inspection by local LE, the TBI and FBI. I am sure they get duped sometimes but look at how fast more bogus stories unravel. Take the Runaway Bride for example... If the FBI, TBI etc still consider this active and still consider this an abduction then I assume it is an abduction.

I can be sure of things that I know not to be true or that (to me) seem to be totally absurd and made up

BBM – You are making assumptions as well. Aren’t we all, so we can fill in the blanks of our own THEORIES?

One scream versus multiple screams does matter. If there was more than one scream it could possibly show that Holly put up more of a fight. One scream shows that her voice could have been cut short (killed). Either way this supports my theory that Holly did not walk off the property. If Holly was screaming, this means she was resisting and would not have “walked” off the property with the perp, she would have run away from him, screaming for her life, IMO.

If LE was camped out at the house, it doesn’t mean someone at the Bobo home didn’t leave in a vehicle to go anywhere, like searching, etc. The Bobo’s weren’t under house arrest.

IMO Clint’s story is more than vague, it has holes in it, and it has never been told in its entirety to the public.

Your assumptions versus my assumptions are only differences in opinion.

What I find absurd is someone believing that their assumptions are the only ones that fit. Open mindedness solves crimes, closed mindedness misses the nuances.

jmo

MizStery
06-08-2012, 05:35 PM
Well Holly was moving pretty good if she was strangled or had a broken neck, since she was seen in the garage and back yard. LE also said they had found the location that they had entered the woods (so I assume there were foot prints or some other evidence that they had gone in that direction).

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Although Clint's story is vague, it has seemingly held up to inspection by local LE, the TBI and FBI. I am sure they get duped sometimes but look at how fast more bogus stories unravel. Take the Runaway Bride for example... If the FBI, TBI etc still consider this active and still consider this an abduction then I assume it is an abduction.

I can be sure of things that I know not to be true or that (to me) seem to be totally absurd and made up

Foremost,I respect your analysis of the events leading to Holly's disappearance. It would be so boring if we could not bring our unique critical thinking skills to this thread.

You concede that Clint's story is vague. Then you say,Clint's story has held
up,albeit (seemingly),not to intense scrutiny or fact checking. If i misspeak
please correct me.

Clint tells a long tedious recital of events the morning of Holly's disappearance. The narrative is a work in progress. I believe in giving Clint,the benefit of the doubt in his recollection of the stressful events of that morning. But,my suspicions are peaked by his self serving reinvention of the facts that leave more questions than answers. To what purpose,I do not
know. But,I will go on record that what Clint has retold is a fictionalization of
the events of the morning of Holly's disappearance. I further suspect it is
collaborative effort ...that renewed revisions attempt to keep a kernel of the truth but are both vague and maintain his distance from the events.MOO

Carla Lashelle
06-08-2012, 06:51 PM
What I mean is that, over a year later, all local, state and federal LE agencies believe Clint's story.

And, to be fair to Clint, we have not seen him tell HIS whole story, start to finish, uninterrupted. We get various interpretations by John Walsh, etc. mixed in with actual statements by Clint, the local sheriff, TV reporters etc.

I just don't buy that this is a covered up runaway, or more mysteriously a spur of the moment murder where somehow the killer took the body away (with seemingly no prior planning). That just doesn't make sense. Lots of people are abducted and then killed, but I can't think of many where the victim would be killed, then carried off.

Carla Lashelle
06-08-2012, 06:54 PM
Clint tells a long tedious recital of events the morning of Holly's disappearance. The narrative is a work in progress. I believe in giving Clint,the benefit of the doubt in his recollection of the stressful events of that morning. But,my suspicions are peaked by his self serving reinvention of the facts that leave more questions than answers. To what purpose,I do not
know. But,I will go on record that what Clint has retold is a fictionalization of
the events of the morning of Holly's disappearance. I further suspect it is
collaborative effort ...that renewed revisions attempt to keep a kernel of the truth but are both vague and maintain his distance from the events.MOO

I would not be surprised that the family has been told not to say certain things, for a variety of reasons. This happens in a lot of cases. Or, he really didn't see a whole lot, did a lot of convoluted things that morning, and this choppy story (that we have not heard start to finish, direct from the horses mouth) is all we have. I think there is more to it, but what? I don't know. I do think the earlier reports of a home invasion type crime are probably accurate. But why the change? I doubt the family changed the type of crime and the details provided.

wishuwerehere
06-08-2012, 08:10 PM
What I mean is that, over a year later, all local, state and federal LE agencies believe Clint's story.

And, to be fair to Clint, we have not seen him tell HIS whole story, start to finish, uninterrupted. We get various interpretations by John Walsh, etc. mixed in with actual statements by Clint, the local sheriff, TV reporters etc.

I just don't buy that this is a covered up runaway, or more mysteriously a spur of the moment murder where somehow the killer took the body away (with seemingly no prior planning). That just doesn't make sense. Lots of people are abducted and then killed, but I can't think of many where the victim would be killed, then carried off.

BBM - Either does Clint's accounting of events. That's why there are mulitple theories surrounding this case, including my own (I have a few, not just one). But one person's theory leads to another, and before you know it, aha we may agree on something that neither one of us acknowledged before hashing it out. By playing out theories, we may stumble onto what really happened.

Once again, my theory never stated the body was carried off. "Stashed" is what my theory claims, then removed later along with the belongings.

jmo

nosyone
06-08-2012, 08:25 PM
Thinking about CB being under stress as was posted. He really wasn't under stress until he spoke with KB. Does anyone think that maybe his initial impression of the situation before he spoke with KB might be the correct one? Maybe the sense of panic she exhibited on the phone, skewed his account of events. Probably grabbing at straws!

cluciano63
06-08-2012, 10:07 PM
I think Clint's story "evolved" due to the reaction from the public about his lack of...doing anything at the time. I don't think it is sinister, just self-protective. JMO

OldSteve
06-08-2012, 11:12 PM
I think Clint's story "evolved" due to the reaction from the public about his lack of...doing anything at the time. I don't think it is sinister, just self-protective. JMO
Good point - agree. Clint had no way to know ahead of time that his actions that morning would be scrutinized so and it's been my impression he wasn't prepared for whatever reason to deal with the situation unfolding before his eyes.

MizStery
06-09-2012, 12:21 AM
I would not be surprised that the family has been told not to say certain things, for a variety of reasons. This happens in a lot of cases. Or, he really didn't see a whole lot, did a lot of convoluted things that morning, and this choppy story (that we have not heard start to finish, direct from the horses mouth) is all we have. I think there is more to it, but what? I don't know. I do think the earlier reports of a home invasion type crime are probably accurate. But why the change? I doubt the family changed the type of crime and the details provided.


The following is my opinion only.

In interviews and when the media are invited to see and hear about events of that morning...it is scripted and the lone eye witness is kept on a short leash. LE in this case also seem to be on a short leash. For all intents only Karen seems to have a good understanding of the timeline.Karen has all the answers. All events turn on her narration heck ..I haven't figured out why our eye witness even bothers to show up....he adds nothing but confusion to the re-telling of the morning's tragic events. I have no idea what happened that morning. All I do know is Holly was abducted and we are not any closer now than over a year ago. MOO

Whisperer
06-09-2012, 01:51 AM
...yeah, we're missing some facts. I don't like to speculate when we have nothing. My gut keeps telling me Clint observed the crime happening from someplace other than inside the house.

Whisperer
06-09-2012, 02:05 AM
Why would a stranger approach her at the house? There had to be at least two cars parked there if Clint was at the house. Even the craziest of perps would have to think x2 about that. So if Clint's car was there, who would walk right up to the carport and harm her?

She dropped the coke can and bled, yet managed to carry her books and bag to the perp's car? Do I believe it happened like that? nope.

Why would Clint think it was ok if it was Drew who was leading her into the woods @ 7:45am? Do I believe that? nope.

.....Why would Clint lie? It would have to be he is covering for somebody...imo.

docwho3
06-09-2012, 04:18 AM
I wish I knew more about the state of the evidence recovered away from her home.

For instance: If her school notebook papers were found, found intact or
or found crumpled up individually and wadded up & strewn about.

Whisperer
06-09-2012, 06:38 AM
I wish I knew more about the state of the evidence recovered away from her home.

For instance: If her school notebook papers were found, found intact or
or found crumpled up individually and wadded up & strewn about.

Rumor had it that her books and papers were thrown out near her school where she goes daily.

~n/t~
06-09-2012, 07:21 AM
I think Clint's story "evolved" due to the reaction from the public about his lack of...doing anything at the time. I don't think it is sinister, just self-protective. JMO

The one thing that didn't "evolve" was his belief it was Drew. Well, except for the recent AMW segment where it was changed to cousin for whatever reason but until then it was always Drew in his mind. That is one piece of evidence that remained consistent in his story, imo.

~n/t~
06-09-2012, 07:23 AM
Rumor had it that her books and papers were thrown out near her school where she goes daily.

One would think something like that should be confirmed or denied by LE shouldn't it? They said her lunch bag was found and where it was found so why wouldn't they tell the public about her books and papers......and her cellphone?:waitasec:

TxLady2
06-09-2012, 03:09 PM
Whew!

The problem as I see it is that some are prone to take certain aspects and make up a whole new theory, adding suppositions and speculations as they go to make the facts fit their theory. That's when it starts to get complicated. I prefer the K.I.S.S. method myself. When you have to invent things just to explain points in your theory, it just simply doesn't work.

I don't know why it wouldn't be just as simple and easy to believe that Holly was kidnapped by some guy she may or may not have been acquainted with. Either they stalked her, or just followed her home and waited for their chance. All these theories of her running away for whatever reason, or a community-wide coverup involving not only the sheriff's dept. but TBI is just mind-boggling. It's even possible that her boyfriend was the perp, but I think LE would have figured that out by now.

I don't buy that she ran away for any reason. I don't buy that LE are crooked and covering up for some big-shot in the community. I don't buy that the sheriff/pastor had any involvement, either in the actual kidnapping or the coverup. There is simply no evidence to point to any of those scenarios. And being from the South myself I highly resent the implication that we are all crooked as snakes and so stupid we couldn't pour pee out of a boot with the directions on the heel. There are good and bad in ANY profession, and I would bet my boots that this is true in all 50 states. Not to mention the thousands of missing persons cases all over the country that have never been solved.
I don't mind reading and considering other theories but a decent theory should be supported by facts, not speculations.

docwho3
06-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Rumor had it that her books and papers were thrown out
near her school where she goes daily.
I wonder if the rumors say if the papers were scattered loose as if just
thrown out in haste or if they were individually crumpled and tossed?

I also wonder if those papers from any sort of spiral notebook were
torn loose from the book or if the whole notebook was tossed as a
unit.

marycarney
06-09-2012, 06:50 PM
This case makes me nuts. I cannot get away from the hinky feeling I have about her brother. Just can't shake it. Curious.

CocoChanel
06-09-2012, 07:52 PM
Whew!

The problem as I see it is that some are prone to take certain aspects and make up a whole new theory, adding suppositions and speculations as they go to make the facts fit their theory. That's when it starts to get complicated. I prefer the K.I.S.S. method myself. When you have to invent things just to explain points in your theory, it just simply doesn't work.

I don't know why it wouldn't be just as simple and easy to believe that Holly was kidnapped by some guy she may or may not have been acquainted with. Either they stalked her, or just followed her home and waited for their chance. All these theories of her running away for whatever reason, or a community-wide coverup involving not only the sheriff's dept. but TBI is just mind-boggling. It's even possible that her boyfriend was the perp, but I think LE would have figured that out by now.

I don't buy that she ran away for any reason. I don't buy that LE are crooked and covering up for some big-shot in the community. I don't buy that the sheriff/pastor had any involvement, either in the actual kidnapping or the coverup. There is simply no evidence to point to any of those scenarios. And being from the South myself I highly resent the implication that we are all crooked as snakes and so stupid we couldn't pour pee out of a boot with the directions on the heel. There are good and bad in ANY profession, and I would bet my boots that this is true in all 50 states. Not to mention the thousands of missing persons cases all over the country that have never been solved.
I don't mind reading and considering other theories but a decent theory should be supported by facts, not speculations.

BBM
I respect you TxLady2, not only because you are from my neck of the woods and have a really cool avatar, but also because you seem to be a clear thinker.
AND I respectfully disagree with the parts BBM.

I think speculating that she might have chosen to disappear with a secret boyfriend is no more of an invention that a random anonymous kidnapper who happened to be at the right place and time to strike.

I also think all theories are worthy of discussion. To pose theories based only on facts would leave us without any explanation whatsoever. Facts are painfully lacking here. The reports from that morning are frankly very unclear and confusing. I think speculation is what results when there are few facts we can hang onto. Otherwise we are left with the scenario of a backwoods camo man appearing at the most opportune time to snatch this girl from her own home, and in spite of having LE and countless others on the scene within 30 minutes, and tireless searches for weeks thereafter, the 2 disappeared into thin air without a trace. THAT is what I can't buy.

I think debate is healthy. I am usually not very good at making my point, but I truly find it productive to hear others discuss pros and cons. It is most interesting to me how diverse our opinions can be, and, at the same time how respectful we can be in our disagreements. I am very grateful for that on WS. Thanks for your take TxLady2. I appreciate the chance to consider it and I hopefully gave my thoughts repectfully in response.

nosyone
06-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Why would a stranger approach her at the house? There had to be at least two cars parked there if Clint was at the house. Even the craziest of perps would have to think x2 about that. So if Clint's car was there, who would walk right up to the carport and harm her?

She dropped the coke can and bled, yet managed to carry her books and bag to the perp's car? Do I believe it happened like that? nope.

Why would Clint think it was ok if it was Drew who was leading her into the woods @ 7:45am? Do I believe that? nope.

.....Why would Clint lie? It would have to be he is covering for somebody...imo.

I love to read the post of Websleuths because you always bring out points that I haven't even considered. I bolded the above sentence that caught my attention, because it is such a great observation! I hadn't even thought of that angle!:what:

Whisperer
06-10-2012, 01:28 AM
One would think something like that should be confirmed or denied by LE shouldn't it? They said her lunch bag was found and where it was found so why wouldn't they tell the public about her books and papers......and her cellphone?:waitasec:

They don't confirm anything. I see no reason why the public can't be informed. They obviously don't agree.

They protect their own. Anywhere else that pastor who killed the father of the bride in Darden/Decatur would have been charged with negligent homicide. I stand by my observation that the LE there are a different breed.

~n/t~
06-10-2012, 06:41 AM
They don't confirm anything. I see no reason why the public can't be informed. They obviously don't agree.

They protect their own. Anywhere else that pastor who killed the father of the bride in Darden/Decatur would have been charged with negligent homicide. I stand by my observation that the LE there are a different breed.

Do you mean local LE in Decatur county? I thought TBI did a tremendous job with the Bain case. Why was that case different? Did the county ask for State assistance in the Bain case whereas in Holly's, local LE told them, eh, we can handle it? Or was it because 2 States were involved in the Bain case?

Carla Lashelle
06-10-2012, 08:12 AM
The thing is with theories...

LE, the TBI and FBI (and the mods here) have said this is an ABDUCTION. So just throwing all that out the window and saying Holly ran away, or was somehow killed at home, the family is covering up etc. just goes against what little bit about her disappearance has been established or held to be true.

There IS evidence she was abducted. There is zero evidence she ran away, family hid her body in a car trunk, etc.

Theories and hypothesis are still based on evidence, fact, logic.

Even if Clint did NOT see ANY of what happened, there is still evidence of an abduction. Actually most of what we know does not have much to do with Clint's two brief glimpses of the subject. Clint did not have to see Holly and the subject in the garage for us to know Holly was there because of the blood found. Clint did not have to see them walking to the woods because LE said they had found the point the pair had entered the woods. We know there were screams or a scream as a neighbor heard those. The time line is pretty much established by independent sources (scream, 911 calls, neighbor and cops arriving at the home etc.)

dejavoodoo64
06-10-2012, 11:13 AM
The thing is with theories...

LE, the TBI and FBI (and the mods here) have said this is an ABDUCTION. So just throwing all that out the window and saying Holly ran away, or was somehow killed at home, the family is covering up etc. just goes against what little bit about her disappearance has been established or held to be true.

There IS evidence she was abducted. There is zero evidence she ran away, family hid her body in a car trunk, etc.

Theories and hypothesis are still based on evidence, fact, logic.

Even if Clint did NOT see ANY of what happened, there is still evidence of an abduction. Actually most of what we know does not have much to do with Clint's two brief glimpses of the subject. Clint did not have to see Holly and the subject in the garage for us to know Holly was there because of the blood found. Clint did not have to see them walking to the woods because LE said they had found the point the pair had entered the woods. We know there were screams or a scream as a neighbor heard those. The time line is pretty much established by independent sources (scream, 911 calls, neighbor and cops arriving at the home etc.)

That says something right there. If they could track to the woods, why couldn't they go even further. Scent on the ground through the yard, but nothing on all the brush, leaves and tree limbs the two would of had to touched? So yes they tracked them to the edge of the woods, but what happen next? Did the perp just want it too look as if they went into the woods and double back to a vehicle? Maybe told Clint to say they went into the woods under threat to kill Holly right then? I honestly don't know, but I don't believe it went down as described. JMO

And yes I am glad too that we all agree to honor everyones opinion. It makes things so much nicer. Each of us present our theories and we pick them apart until something works. With a little more evidence I believe we would know what happened. Who knows if thats why more evidence hasn't been released?

:peace:

Carla Lashelle
06-10-2012, 11:31 AM
That says something right there. If they could track to the woods, why couldn't they go even further. Scent on the ground through the yard, but nothing on all the brush, leaves and tree limbs the two would of had to touched? So yes they tracked them to the edge of the woods, but what happen next? Did the perp just want it too look as if they went into the woods and double back to a vehicle? Maybe told Clint to say they went into the woods under threat to kill Holly right then? I honestly don't know, but I don't believe it went down as described. JMO


We do not know for certain that the dogs did not track Holly past the tree line. That premise comes from a vague comment by Mark Fuhrman on a TV show where he said he "called Tennessee" and they told him that. But if the dogs did not track into the woods it holds with my theory that the suspect had a car parked inside the tree line there. Looking at various aerial photos of the property you could have a car/truck within yards of the home and make an easy exit back to Swan Johnson Rd.

I do think there is more to what happened than has been described for some unknown reason. I assume LE has chosen to keep various details quiet, and has instructed the family to do so as well. This is not entirely unusual either. It happens in lots of other cases. That would also account for some of the discrepancies in the description of what happened - dragged vs. led vs. walking, home invasion etc. But we can also work around that with the few facts available... screams, blood, neighbor calling 911 and going to the house, etc.

wishuwerehere
06-10-2012, 03:24 PM
I find it comical how some posters call out other WS members for creating independent theories and in the same breath those same posters make assumptions of their own that have no basis in fact. As in, when they don’t back up their own assumptions with fact, they claim (make a leap) LE must have this evidence hidden from the public.

Nothing gets solved by everyone following one person’s predetermined set of assumptions. We all work with our own theories on how we each interpret what little evidence there is. Certainly, we all do not think alike, which is a good thing.

I find Clint’s story to be impeachable. Therefore, my theories will be very different from others who do believe his story.

I challenge anyone to support Clint’s story without making excuses for him.

In the meantime, I will be formulating my theories on how I interpret with what little information we have. Throw tomatoes if you like. Hey, times are tough, so when you miss, I’ll make a salad. If you happen to land one, I’ll make a sauce. I make a mean sauce.

jmo

RoseRed
06-10-2012, 03:56 PM
Do you mean local LE in Decatur county? I thought TBI did a tremendous job with the Bain case. Why was that case different? Did the county ask for State assistance in the Bain case whereas in Holly's, local LE told them, eh, we can handle it? Or was it because 2 States were involved in the Bain case?

I think most of the credit in the Bain case goes to Mississippi LE and FBI.

Hippy Chick
06-10-2012, 05:33 PM
I agree with Judge Judy "if it dosen't make sense its not true" and nothing about the stories from the morning of the abduction makes any sense to me. I don't know what happened I wasen't there but I don't believe the story Clint told it just dosen't make sense. If he heard Holly and who he thought was Drew squatted down looking at a turkey why didn't he go out to look at it too? Why call mama at her job to ask her whats going on when he is right there? Don't buy it at all. I would think if he was scared he would call his dad instead of his mom. There were several firearms at his disposal why not get one and go outside to see. Then he makes the statement that he don't think they will see Holly for a long time how does he know this? What does anyone else think about these questions?

cluciano63
06-10-2012, 10:53 PM
I agree with Judge Judy "if it dosen't make sense its not true" and nothing about the stories from the morning of the abduction makes any sense to me. I don't know what happened I wasen't there but I don't believe the story Clint told it just dosen't make sense. If he heard Holly and who he thought was Drew squatted down looking at a turkey why didn't he go out to look at it too? Why call mama at her job to ask her whats going on when he is right there? Don't buy it at all. I would think if he was scared he would call his dad instead of his mom. There were several firearms at his disposal why not get one and go outside to see. Then he makes the statement that he don't think they will see Holly for a long time how does he know this? What does anyone else think about these questions?

I totally agree his behavior as stated was bizarre...I never understood him making ANY calls when Holly is right there practically in front of him. Did he call out her name at all? Why all the phone calls when she was in sight? Calling Mom, calling her phone, calling Drew's phone, etc...

Honestly, I have no idea what to think anymore. I do think he embellished later, when there was so much buzz about him not doing anything to help his sister. If I remember correctly, it was only much later that we heard anything about him supposedly getting a gun and going into the woods. Did he really? And if so, why did he stop? If he had gone further he may have seen a vehicle leaving the scene.

But all that aside, I do not think he is guilty of anything other than lack of action and some very poor decision-making. There are a lot of baffling cases here at WS, but nothing to top this one, IMO.

Whisperer
06-11-2012, 02:20 AM
Why would a perp park at the woods and walk to the house? How in the world was he going to get her to the car? Why not pull right up beside her car and grab her?

Whisperer
06-11-2012, 02:25 AM
Why was Drew hunting on Grandma's property on the other side of town and not at his GF's property?

....Karen gave him permission, she says. Karen never told Holly about it. Drew tells Holly about being confronted. I have to wonder if he did this in person and not by phone.

Whisperer
06-11-2012, 02:38 AM
Anyone care to venture a guess of why LE refuses to release the 911 tapes?

Mysterylover
06-11-2012, 09:21 AM
This case makes me nuts.
I cannot get away from the hinky feeling I have about her brother.
Just can't shake it. Curious.

Marycarney, Yes, hinky, confusing and nuts!
I have never believed C. told his mom that all was well with H. walking arm and arm with Drew, looking at a turkey.
The Mom's reaction to what ever was told the her on the phone, says a lot to me.
Overreaction, maybe and maybe not.
Common sense tells me she was told 'something' really bad that morning to react the way she did.

Her actions/near collapse and unable to walk alone, at the news conference, caused me to feel/suspect H. was possibly dead..jmo

Mysterylover
06-11-2012, 09:26 AM
Oh,there is plenty of misinformation and blame to pass around.

Giving inaccurate or downright false inforation is a pattern that has played out over and over.
Perhaps America Most Wanted did misspeak when 'cousin' was used in the segment dealing with Holly. Maybe,Clint said 'cousin' or maybe he didn't to John Walsh.
Our lone eye witness has changed and obsured his account so many times ...
I challenge anyone to give me a clear narrative of events that
morning.
Then we have relatives and family who are trotted out ~a reality star cousin (who sings)and lectures that we don't know the real story..and she does???
Then,perhaps she could share with us for starters 'where is Holly'.

The lone fact is ...we are no closer to either the truth or finding Holly now than over a year ago. MOO

Mizstery, Sadly you are correct.. will we ever learn the truth?....imo

Mysterylover
06-11-2012, 09:34 AM
Why was Drew hunting on Grandma's property on the other side of town and not at his GF's property?

....Karen gave him permission, she says.
Karen never told Holly about it.

Drew tells Holly about being confronted. I have to wonder if he did this in person and not by phone...


Whisperer, All those early phone calls that morning about a simple hunting dispute.
That same morning, within an hour or so of those calls, the neighbor hears a loud argument coming from the B. property..what a coincidence.

Let's hope LE throughly checked the pings and cells phones of everyone.

AnonymousD
06-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Why was Drew hunting on Grandma's property on the other side of town and not at his GF's property?

....Karen gave him permission, she says. Karen never told Holly about it. Drew tells Holly about being confronted. I have to wonder if he did this in person and not by phone.

BBM

Speculation only, as I am around hunters frequently: GF's property could've already "been done" and they weren't having any luck hunting there.....there could've been others in the woods hunting there/too crowded......Grandma's property could've been more promising for the hunt.....Grandma could've had more land to hunt on.....

Yes, I agree something isn't right w/ this entire case. I can't put my finger on what or who it is. I just wanted to offer thoughts on the hunting aspect.

cluciano63
06-12-2012, 02:24 AM
Whisperer, All those early phone calls that morning about a simple hunting dispute.
That same morning, within an hour or so of those calls, the neighbor hears a loud argument coming from the B. property..what a coincidence.

Let's hope LE throughly checked the pings and cells phones of everyone.

I never heard about an argument, loud or otherwise...do you know where this was stated?

~n/t~
06-12-2012, 05:20 AM
I never heard about an argument, loud or otherwise...do you know where this was stated?

fwiw...the Examiner but perhaps Mysterylover saw it somewhere else, IDK

So, after much digging, I have come across this information. Mind you, I have no verification, but many times, information like this comes out to be true. This information make more sense than anything else that is out there.


According to the source, Holly had two ex-boyfriends. One from a few days ago and the other, she had a restraining order against, because he threatened to kill her. Holly left the house to go to school and her brother heard her arguing with her ex-boyfriend who was dressed in camo, outside the home. He saw them both walking towards the wooded area of the yard, and he went back to what he was doing. About an hour later he noticed his sister's car was still in the driveway. He called his parents, a friend of Holly's and then the ex-boyfriend, and then the police.


http://www.examiner.com/article/holly-bobo-fbi-says-led-away-not-dragged-through-carport

wfgodot
06-12-2012, 11:23 AM
So, after much digging, I have come across this information. Mind you, I have no verification, but many times, information like this comes out to be true. This information make more sense than anything else that is out there.
Emphasis mine.

A reminder: the Examiner is not a credible source. "Mind you"? "comes out to be true"??

deca
06-12-2012, 12:32 PM
And the Examiner thing doesn't make a lot of sense. An ex-boyfriend killing her is possible----but if CB saw a ex (that had threatened HB in the past ) arguing with her early in the morning I doubt he would just go back to what he was doing and not check on her for an HOUR.

I probably shouldn't even be talking about this until we get it from a credible source.

~n/t~
06-12-2012, 01:44 PM
And the Examiner thing doesn't make a lot of sense. An ex-boyfriend killing her is possible----but if CB saw a ex (that had threatened HB in the past ) arguing with her early in the morning I doubt he would just go back to what he was doing and not check on her for an HOUR.

I probably shouldn't even be talking about this until we get it from a credible source.

Unless the ex boyfriend is/was a friend of the brother (??)

I know the Examiner is not a credible source and that's why I started my post with fwiw.

That said, Examiner was not the only source of this rumour early on. Sometimes I wonder if rumours do tend to have some truth to them. This is a small town and perhaps the truth lies among the small town gossip. :moo:

~n/t~
06-12-2012, 01:45 PM
Emphasis mine.

A reminder: the Examiner is not a credible source. "Mind you"? "comes out to be true"??

I think she meant rumours (gossip)

wfgodot
06-12-2012, 01:47 PM
I think she meant rumours (gossip)
My reference was to the absolutely unprofessional wording present in that piece of "journalism."

dejavoodoo64
06-12-2012, 09:16 PM
We do not know for certain that the dogs did not track Holly past the tree line. That premise comes from a vague comment by Mark Fuhrman on a TV show where he said he "called Tennessee" and they told him that. But if the dogs did not track into the woods it holds with my theory that the suspect had a car parked inside the tree line there. Looking at various aerial photos of the property you could have a car/truck within yards of the home and make an easy exit back to Swan Johnson Rd.I do think there is more to what happened than has been described for some unknown reason. I assume LE has chosen to keep various details quiet, and has instructed the family to do so as well. This is not entirely unusual either. It happens in lots of other cases. That would also account for some of the discrepancies in the description of what happened - dragged vs. led vs. walking, home invasion etc. But we can also work around that with the few facts available... screams, blood, neighbor calling 911 and going to the house, etc.

I have wondered that also. So Clint didn't see or hear a vehicle that was just beyond the tree line, often described as logging roads? Also I have wondered if the screams happened at home in the carport or from in a vehicle, or from the woods as she was led away. If she was in a vehicle that would seem to confirm the evidence that was found was planted to lead LE in another direction.

*On vacation and with kids is hard to keep up much less reply.

dejavoodoo64
06-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Anyone care to venture a guess of why LE refuses to release the 911 tapes?

The only possible reasons I can think of is he named who it was or maybe identified someone LE knows absolutely didn't do it. Or lastly he identified someone in LE. If Karen had the reaction as reported I would suspect she was told someone who very likely could and would have done it, such as the guy Holly had the restraining order against. To me thats too easy. If he was identified as the guy and LE knows he didn't do it, what does that leave? And where does the leave Clint? Sorry this was hastily typed and put together, I hope what I'm trying to say comes across.JMO

MizStery
06-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
Anyone care to venture a guess of why LE refuses to release the 911 tapes?


Quote:
Dajavoodoo64:
The only possible reasons I can think of is he named who it was or maybe identified someone LE knows absolutely didn't do it. Or lastly he identified someone in LE. If Karen had the reaction as reported I would suspect she was told someone who very likely could and would have done it, such as the guy Holly had the restraining order against. To me thats too easy. If he was identified as the guy and LE knows he didn't do it, what does that leave? And where does the leave Clint? Sorry this was hastily typed and put together, I hope what I'm trying to say comes across.JMO

MizStery comment:
Quote:
Names and addresses can be redacted before the 911 call transcript is released. Then entire transcript can be released. MOO

Carla Lashelle
06-13-2012, 03:36 PM
I have wondered that also. So Clint didn't see or hear a vehicle that was just beyond the tree line, often described as logging roads? Also I have wondered if the screams happened at home in the carport or from in a vehicle, or from the woods as she was led away. If she was in a vehicle that would seem to confirm the evidence that was found was planted to lead LE in another direction.

*On vacation and with kids is hard to keep up much less reply.

Initially I thought the scream(s) must have come later in the abduction when Holly was away from the house. But, it seems now they happened FIRST. Going by what Karen said, Clint did not hear them because he was asleep. Clint did not hear them although they may have contributed to his waking up I would think.

Holly most certainly had to be taken away in a vehicle as their house is remote enough I can't imagine a kidnapper walking away with her X miles to his house or where ever. Clint never mentioned hearing a vehicle but he was inside at the time getting ready to go to school or something. He had just seen Holly walking around in the back yard. There could be the chance that the suspect's car was idling or running so there wouldn't be a start up noise either. Now, whether the evidence was dropped out of the car as he drove off with her, or if he came back later or back tracked around dropping stuff out is unknown.

Carla Lashelle
06-13-2012, 03:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
Anyone care to venture a guess of why LE refuses to release the 911 tapes?


Quote:
Dajavoodoo64:
... If Karen had the reaction as reported I would suspect she was told someone who very likely could and would have done it, such as the guy Holly had the restraining order against. ...JMO

MizStery comment:
Quote:
Names and addresses can be redacted before the 911 call transcript is released. Then entire transcript can be released. MOO


Do we know for a fact that there is someone who she has a restraining order against? It has never been mentioned in any mainstream article or report. Apparently also public record notices have failed to turn up such an action.

concentric
06-13-2012, 03:59 PM
This was just posted in Up to the Minute thread:

Authorities searched Tuesday for a man they say sexually assaulted and stabbed a lone hiker at Great Smoky Mountains National Park in Tennessee.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justice/tennessee-smokies-assault/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

wfgodot
06-13-2012, 04:33 PM
Gatlinburg's about six hours east of Darden.

dejavoodoo64
06-13-2012, 10:55 PM
Do we know for a fact that there is someone who she has a restraining order against? It has never been mentioned in any mainstream article or report. Apparently also public record notices have failed to turn up such an action.

Oh I did not know that. I was under the impression there was one. I withdraw it and thank you for correcting me. Now I have to figure out where I got that as I haven't taken notes and I'm going from memory.

*oooh, I found where I read it and remember reading it now. One is something you do with your eyes, lol. The other is one that I thought would be credible, I won't name it, but it does feature Missing Persons in America.

docwho3
06-14-2012, 04:41 AM
If this was a book of fiction I suppose the reason for the 911 calls not being made available
would be something dramatic such as the name of a person being
spoken. This would be partly supported by rumors that her mom responded
right away as if she had an idea who had taken Holly.
In a book of fiction I would expect to read that this person was someone
that LE strongly suspected and one who did not have a
satisfactory alibi to clear him from the short list of suspects.
In a book of fiction this would be supported by the statement made in MSM
by LE that they believed Holly was still in state, which would not be too likely
unless they had a good idea who did the crime.

In such a book I would expect they did not want to mess up their case against
the suspect by releasing any part of the tape/s. In a book perhaps LE
would have been loathe to have the suspect/s know just how far
along they were in their investigation from the very beginning.

If this were a book I would expect he left LE a sign of some sort
and this piece of evidence would have been held back although
some rumors would have leaked out about some exciting
but unnamed bit of evidence.

But this is not a book of fiction and the reasons things happen in this case
may be far more boring and sane for all I know.

I hope the real case is solved as soon as possible.

Whisperer
06-14-2012, 04:55 AM
My guess is LE doesn't want the tape released because it is prejudicial to the family. No other scenario fits.

~n/t~
06-14-2012, 09:00 AM
Country Singer Asks Fans To Tweet For Her Missing Cousin

http://wreg.com/2012/06/13/country-singer-asks-fans-to-tweet-for-her-missing-cousin/

Mysterylover
06-14-2012, 11:01 AM
fwiw...the Examiner but perhaps Mysterylover saw it somewhere else, IDK



http://www.examiner.com/article/holly-bobo-fbi-says-led-away-not-dragged-through-carport


To answer the question: Thanks, Yes, several places.
In an interview, I heard the Sheriff tell of the neighbor hearing loud shouting/screaming (plural) coming from the B. property.
Check the Sheriffs interviews, although it's been a year, it may still be available to hear.
Sheriff Wyatt-kidnapping
Try this link: Jacksonsun.com/videonetwork/903287

wishuwerehere
06-14-2012, 07:19 PM
To answer the question: Thanks, Yes, several places.
In an interview, I heard the Sheriff tell of the neighbor hearing loud shouting/screaming (plural) coming from the B. property.
Check the Sheriffs interviews, although it's been a year, it may still be available to hear.
Sheriff Wyatt-kidnapping
Try this link: Jacksonsun.com/videonetwork/903287


I couldn’t get that video to load.

Anyway, it is interesting to contemplate those “flurry of calls” may have been a result of something that was playing out in person with Holly or vice a versa.

I’m having a hard time believing Holly walked off the property with someone especially after a scream or screaming by Holly. She seems like a spitfire. And I mean that in the most complimentary of ways. Instead of walking off, why didn’t she run from this person? And to top it off she was carrying all of her stuff with her. I can’t believe she would weigh herself down in that way. If you’re going to walk off with an attacker, I can’t fathom bringing “stuff” with you. Your house is right behind you. Run to it. Your car is right there. Hit the horn.

The only way I can believe Holly walked off with someone was if this person was an authority figure to her. I don’t buy it.

I don’t believe Holly walked off the property. She would have run to the house if she didn’t know her attacker. I strongly believe Holly knew her attacker well.

jmo

Plumeria5
06-14-2012, 10:34 PM
I couldn’t get that video to load.

Anyway, it is interesting to contemplate those “flurry of calls” may have been a result of something that was playing out in person with Holly or vice a versa.

I’m having a hard time believing Holly walked off the property with someone especially after a scream or screaming by Holly. She seems like a spitfire. And I mean that in the most complimentary of ways. Instead of walking off, why didn’t she run from this person? And to top it off she was carrying all of her stuff with her. I can’t believe she would weigh herself down in that way. If you’re going to walk off with an attacker, I can’t fathom bringing “stuff” with you. Your house is right behind you. Run to it. Your car is right there. Hit the horn.

The only way I can believe Holly walked off with someone was if this person was an authority figure to her. I don’t buy it.

I don’t believe Holly walked off the property. She would have run to the house if she didn’t know her attacker. I strongly believe Holly knew her attacker well.

jmo

I totally agree Wishuwerehere. If there was some sort of terrible accident then that would explain Karen's reaction to the phone call. First thought that comes to mind is she was accidentally shot but not enough blood and no gunshot was reported. What other accident scenarios could there be in which Holly died with just a small amount of blood?

goldiegirl
06-14-2012, 11:41 PM
I hope this is okay to post. If not, mods, feel free to delete.

I saw that on June 1 DS's brother (whose initials are also DS) posted a picture of himself, Drew and their mom. In the picture, their mom is wearing a Holly Bobo shirt. The profile is public, so anyone can see it.

Just wanted to mention this since it's a statement of support from the bf's family, and there's been a lot said about how he and his family haven't seemed to say or do much that we know of related to the case.

I guess it is worth mentioning, though, that it was the mom and not Drew who was wearing the shirt, but it was a shirt with a girly pattern, so that probably means nothing. Still, though, I wish Drew would make a public statement.

~n/t~
06-15-2012, 09:45 AM
I hope this is okay to post. If not, mods, feel free to delete.

I saw that on June 1 DS's brother (whose initials are also DS) posted a picture of himself, Drew and their mom. In the picture, their mom is wearing a Holly Bobo shirt. The profile is public, so anyone can see it.

Just wanted to mention this since it's a statement of support from the bf's family, and there's been a lot said about how he and his family haven't seemed to say or do much that we know of related to the case.

I guess it is worth mentioning, though, that it was the mom and not Drew who was wearing the shirt, but it was a shirt with a girly pattern, so that probably means nothing. Still, though, I wish Drew would make a public statement.

His mom is very pretty.

The tshirt says "Still Waiting for Holly Bobo". I thought that was very odd. Normally they have a photo of the missing person with Please Help Find or something along those lines. The tshirt she's wearing doesn't have a photo of Holly on the front. Perhaps on the back, IDK.

Still. Weird wording, imo.

~n/t~
06-15-2012, 09:50 AM
My guess is LE doesn't want the tape released because it is prejudicial to the family. No other scenario fits.

or there is no 911 call from anyone but the neighbour? We know Clint was about to call 911 when the neighbour showed up but I don't think he ever did. As for Karen, perhaps she called the school and everyone else but not 911 thinking perhaps Clint or the neighbour called? If that emergency system was triggered, perhaps nobody called 911 but the neighbour.

Sorry I don't recall what the system is called but it was posted here by a local.

kseal07
06-15-2012, 04:13 PM
driving to my daughters wedding in gatlinburg. We passed an indian bureau of investigation command center mobile unit. I'd never seen one b4. iare they searching in tn today?

Whisperer
06-16-2012, 01:23 AM
I totally agree Wishuwerehere. If there was some sort of terrible accident then that would explain Karen's reaction to the phone call. First thought that comes to mind is she was accidentally shot but not enough blood and no gunshot was reported. What other accident scenarios could there be in which Holly died with just a small amount of blood?

When the blood was first discussed there was word that there was splatter found on the lawn (that tells me out front of the house). Later Clint claims blood in the "garage" where they were kneeling. Later it was described as a small puddle.

A small puddle conjures up (for me) a severe wound...that came from a wound free of clothing. It had to be dripping and she wasn't moving when it was.

I suspect there was more blood than what was mentioned. LE won't say, as usual.

I'm out here with the Sierra Lamar case and LE tells much info about what they find. This whole rural TN thing drives me crazy. If they wanted help, LE would share. They don't want help. They want it to go away. I think they know who did it...and I don't think Holly is alive.

Plumeria5
06-16-2012, 02:03 AM
When the blood was first discussed there was word that there was splatter found on the lawn (that tells me out front of the house). Later Clint claims blood in the "garage" where they were kneeling. Later it was described as a small puddle.

A small puddle conjures up (for me) a severe wound...that came from a wound free of clothing. It had to be dripping and she wasn't moving when it was.

I suspect there was more blood than what was mentioned. LE won't say, as usual.

I'm out here with the Sierra Lamar case and LE tells much info about what they find. This whole rural TN thing drives me crazy. If they wanted help, LE would share. They don't want help. They want it to go away. I think they know who did it...and I don't think Holly is alive.

Unfortunately, I don't think she is alive either. During the 20-30 minute "abduction" there could have been time for someone to transport Holly's body.
Wonder if they ever had cadaver dogs on the property?

goldiegirl
06-16-2012, 04:49 AM
Alright, this more than anything else confirms for me that something is weird.

I noticed that a particular Holly Bobo Facebook page hadn't posted any updates for a while. I searched for the page and realized that EVERY HB-related page was taken down.

I know one of the ladies who ran one of the pages, and I asked her what happened to the page. She told me that the Bobo family asked that all Holly-related pages be taken down, because there were no updates to post.

WHAT?! How do they know there won't be updates in the future? Why wouldn't they want those pages up in the event that there are more searches organized, more information that comes in, or more information to pass on to the public? What can it hurt to have those pages up with information on how the public can pass on tips?

I just can't fathom a family asking for all pages relating to their missing child to be removed, but that's what she told me.

goldiegirl
06-16-2012, 04:50 AM
His mom is very pretty.

The tshirt says "Still Waiting for Holly Bobo". I thought that was very odd. Normally they have a photo of the missing person with Please Help Find or something along those lines. The tshirt she's wearing doesn't have a photo of Holly on the front. Perhaps on the back, IDK.

Still. Weird wording, imo.

Good catch. I actually couldn't read the rest of the wording on the shirt, so I hadn't noticed that. You're right, that's odd...

CocoChanel
06-16-2012, 09:57 AM
Alright, this more than anything else confirms for me that something is weird.

I noticed that a particular Holly Bobo Facebook page hadn't posted any updates for a while. I searched for the page and realized that EVERY HB-related page was taken down.

I know one of the ladies who ran one of the pages, and I asked her what happened to the page. She told me that the Bobo family asked that all Holly-related pages be taken down, because there were no updates to post.

WHAT?! How do they know there won't be updates in the future? Why wouldn't they want those pages up in the event that there are more searches organized, more information that comes in, or more information to pass on to the public? What can it hurt to have those pages up with information on how the public can pass on tips?

I just can't fathom a family asking for all pages relating to their missing child to be removed, but that's what she told me.

IMHO a family asks that webpages of their missing loved one be taken down because they do not want any more scrutiny on a painful family situation. The painful family situation could be anything - as unique as individual families are. But my guess is that it involves some sort of internal family crisis or longtime dysfunction that is too traumatic for them to reveal, perhaps even to themselves. And I am not casting stones. I believe EVERY family has some kind of dysfunction - mine included. Some of us are in such deep denial we truly don't see it especially when it is closest to us, God bless us all.

CocoChanel
06-16-2012, 10:03 AM
His mom is very pretty.

The tshirt says "Still Waiting for Holly Bobo". I thought that was very odd. Normally they have a photo of the missing person with Please Help Find or something along those lines. The tshirt she's wearing doesn't have a photo of Holly on the front. Perhaps on the back, IDK.

Still. Weird wording, imo.

Very weird wording, I agree. I think it implies that HB herself has the ability to show up to end the waiting. It could also be a subtle but pointed dig at the whole situation. This is all specuation of course, and others may make something else of those 4 words. But I think it is a significant comment from a person who no doubt knows more than we do about that morning, and the days and weeks leading up to it.

Carla Lashelle
06-16-2012, 02:13 PM
I belong to a Holly Bobo group on FB and its still active. There isnt much info, but it hasn't been taken down. Actually I belong to a couple pages on there. I know at least one that did have some involvement with the family also had a huge struggle with trolling, abuse, etc. and the people that started the page quite after it had been hacked. There are at least 10 Holly Bobo FB pages as of today

goldiegirl
06-16-2012, 04:32 PM
I belong to a Holly Bobo group on FB and its still active. There isnt much info, but it hasn't been taken down. Actually I belong to a couple pages on there. I know at least one that did have some involvement with the family also had a huge struggle with trolling, abuse, etc. and the people that started the page quite after it had been hacked. There are at least 10 Holly Bobo FB pages as of today

Interesting. I still can't find any of them. I was a member of three. The particular page I referenced was not taken down because of trolling or hacking. I know that the admins had contact with the Bobo family, because it was the same group that tried to organize a fundraiser that was called off after the Bobos requested it. There were some hurt feelings for a while after that, because KB said they "had everything they needed". But basically the family did ask them to take down the page because "there were no updates to post".

AnonymousD
06-16-2012, 09:15 PM
Alright, this more than anything else confirms for me that something is weird.

I noticed that a particular Holly Bobo Facebook page hadn't posted any updates for a while. I searched for the page and realized that EVERY HB-related page was taken down.

I know one of the ladies who ran one of the pages, and I asked her what happened to the page. She told me that the Bobo family asked that all Holly-related pages be taken down, because there were no updates to post.

WHAT?! How do they know there won't be updates in the future? Why wouldn't they want those pages up in the event that there are more searches organized, more information that comes in, or more information to pass on to the public? What can it hurt to have those pages up with information on how the public can pass on tips?

I just can't fathom a family asking for all pages relating to their missing child to be removed, but that's what she told me.

This page is still active:
https://www.facebook.com/HollyBoboPrayers

goldiegirl
06-17-2012, 03:58 AM
This page is still active:
https://www.facebook.com/HollyBoboPrayers

Thanks. That's one I hadn't seen before. All I know is what I was told. Maybe she didn't literally mean ALL pages (although that's what she wrote), or maybe KB couldn't reach the admins of some of the pages. Although the woman I talked to did say "all", I'll just stick to the point for now that KB at least asked her to take down her page, which was one of the main ones, and the reason she gave was that "there were no updates to post". I'll stop talking about it now, but I just thought that was odd.

Eileen730
06-17-2012, 04:56 PM
When the blood was first discussed there was word that there was splatter found on the lawn (that tells me out front of the house). Later Clint claims blood in the "garage" where they were kneeling. Later it was described as a small puddle.

A small puddle conjures up (for me) a severe wound...that came from a wound free of clothing. It had to be dripping and she wasn't moving when it was.

I suspect there was more blood than what was mentioned. LE won't say, as usual.

I'm out here with the Sierra Lamar case and LE tells much info about what they find. This whole rural TN thing drives me crazy. If they wanted help, LE would share. They don't want help. They want it to go away. I think they know who did it...and I don't think Holly is alive.

I think you are probably right!
To add ```I think the reward is bogus they know no one will come forward to claim it....No one else saw what happend. No one else knows tiddly squat!

And i dont think Holly is alive!

JMO

nosyone
06-17-2012, 09:06 PM
The link to the article I am attaching from April 16, 2011, NY Daily News, reports that the camo man actually had her arm going into the woods. Does anyone remember this being mentioned?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/news/29461333_1_nursing-student-brother-cell-phone

AnonymousD
06-17-2012, 09:46 PM
Thanks. That's one I hadn't seen before. All I know is what I was told. Maybe she didn't literally mean ALL pages (although that's what she wrote), or maybe KB couldn't reach the admins of some of the pages. Although the woman I talked to did say "all", I'll just stick to the point for now that KB at least asked her to take down her page, which was one of the main ones, and the reason she gave was that "there were no updates to post". I'll stop talking about it now, but I just thought that was odd.

It's ok, it's the only one I've ever "liked". Although I did search "Holly Bobo" & found these:

https://www.facebook.com/BHBHS (this one has over 23,000 likes)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holly-Bobo/210492292313447

https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-will-find-you-Holly-Bobo/220056171341582


I guess it just seems strange to me that the Bobo family, who hasn't talked to anyone recently, would ask someone to remove a FB page?

AWOLNATION
06-18-2012, 12:53 AM
Bumping for Holly, Never Forget the innocent

goldiegirl
06-18-2012, 02:05 AM
It's ok, it's the only one I've ever "liked". Although I did search "Holly Bobo" & found these:

https://www.facebook.com/BHBHS (this one has over 23,000 likes)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holly-Bobo/210492292313447

https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-will-find-you-Holly-Bobo/220056171341582


I guess it just seems strange to me that the Bobo family, who hasn't talked to anyone recently, would ask someone to remove a FB page?

She told me they removed it quite a while ago. I had stopped following the FB pages and just checked WS for my updates, so I didn't notice. I agree that that seems strange, but I think this probably happened around the time when this particular FB group was planning a fundraiser that the Bobos asked them to cancel. It may have happened within the same conversation. I was just late to find out.

ETA: And that really was a loooong time ago. I don't remember when that fundraiser was scheduled, but I don't even think it was within the last 6 months (could be wrong).

AnonymousD
06-18-2012, 09:16 PM
She told me they removed it quite a while ago. I had stopped following the FB pages and just checked WS for my updates, so I didn't notice. I agree that that seems strange, but I think this probably happened around the time when this particular FB group was planning a fundraiser that the Bobos asked them to cancel. It may have happened within the same conversation. I was just late to find out.

ETA: And that really was a loooong time ago. I don't remember when that fundraiser was scheduled, but I don't even think it was within the last 6 months (could be wrong).

BBM

Ahh I see. I thought this was recently.

AnonymousD
06-18-2012, 10:16 PM
His mom is very pretty.

The tshirt says "Still Waiting for Holly Bobo". I thought that was very odd. Normally they have a photo of the missing person with Please Help Find or something along those lines. The tshirt she's wearing doesn't have a photo of Holly on the front. Perhaps on the back, IDK.

Still. Weird wording, imo.

What I see on the tshirt is "Still Praying for Holly Bobo"

Plumeria5
06-19-2012, 12:24 AM
The link to the article I am attaching from April 16, 2011, NY Daily News, reports that the camo man actually had her arm going into the woods. Does anyone remember this being mentioned?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/news/29461333_1_nursing-student-brother-cell-phone

I believe on AMW Clint said both Holly and the male had their arms "down or down at their sides". It is like that telephone game we played in school. Every time someone repeats something it seems to change. Clint said they were walking while other news reports said she was dragged into the woods in fear of her life.:please: I just wish there was one version!

Whisperer
06-19-2012, 03:32 AM
I think the last place Holly was alive was where the blood puddle was seen. In some ways, It seems the perp was really mad and throwing her things out. It would be great if the police would tell what they found. We know a lunchbox, cellphone and rumors of her school papers/books being thrown on the main drag near her school.

It appears the perp was in a rage at the time and indicates (to me) that he was young.

Whisperer
06-19-2012, 03:36 AM
If somebody loses a puddle of blood, do they leave the spot and pick up their books and purse and walk with a guy into the woods?

~n/t~
06-19-2012, 10:23 AM
What I see on the tshirt is "Still Praying for Holly Bobo"

You're right. After taking a second closeup look, it does say "praying". I apologize.

~n/t~
06-19-2012, 10:30 AM
FWIW...I don't know if any of you watch Homicide Hunter on the ID Channel with Lt. Joe Kenda. One of his interrogation skills (which I'm sure many other LE agencies use) is inconsistent statements.

I recommend this particular episode because the one who seems like the most likely suspect, is NOT.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/homicide-hunter-joe-kenda/episodes/episode-guide.html

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/homicide-hunter-lorraine-laribos-beaten-body-found.html

wishuwerehere
06-19-2012, 05:17 PM
FWIW...I don't know if any of you watch Homicide Hunter on the ID Channel with Lt. Joe Kenda. One of his interrogation skills (which I'm sure many other LE agencies use) is inconsistent statements.

I recommend this particular episode because the one who seems like the most likely suspect, is NOT.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/homicide-hunter-joe-kenda/episodes/episode-guide.html

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/homicide-hunter-lorraine-laribos-beaten-body-found.html

BBM: ~nt~, to jump off of your post – Another interesting way to look at this case would be to look at the person who has been least likely to have the media spotlight on them. Of course, LE may be investigating this person, we just don’t know anything about it.

If I take Clint’s story as fact (maybe he has a hard time telling a story from a linear standpoint):

Clint says he saw someone with Holly who he thought was Drew. Okay. Who looks like Drew, but is not Drew?

Clint says the perp was wearing camo. Who was wearing camo that morning, but it’s not Drew?

Clint says he heard voices coming from the garage/carport. Also, it has been stated by KB that there was a misunderstanding on her mother’s property that morning regarding hunting privileges. So, who had a beef with Holly (and/or the Bobo family) about being dressed down and embarrassed, but it’s not Drew?

I thought I would put this out there only because I have not heard anyone talk about this line of suspicion and it seems almost every other possibility has been discussed.

JMO

nosyone
06-19-2012, 10:05 PM
I had an idea that I would like to work on involving the timeline that I believe OldSteve created, can anyone tell me what thread # that was on and whether that is the most accurate and complete one? I seemed to remember that he had put a lot of work into it and that it seemed really complete.

MizStery
06-19-2012, 10:48 PM
I had an idea that I would like to work on involving the timeline that I believe OldSteve created, can anyone tell me what thread # that was on and whether that is the most accurate and complete one? I seemed to remember that he had put a lot of work into it and that it seemed really complete.

Here is Mr. Noatak's timeline.

My opinions only, no facts here:

My original (conservative) timeline posted earlier on Websleuths, is below. This timeline will be followed by a timeline that includes very speculative reports (excluding the most bizarre!) and extends well beyond April 13th. In the second timeline, speculative reports and rumors will be distinguished from more mainstream information, as explained in the header to my second timeline. To the mods- as usual I present no familial names except Holly Bobo and there are no links to outside sites.

4:30 AM (Holly awoke and was in bedroom studying, witnesses unknown)
5:30-5:35 (Holly still in bedroom, witness is father)
5:30-5:35 (Holly’s father leaves for work, witness is himself)
6:30-7:00 (Holly in bedroom and at breakfast table and mother makes a lunch for Holly, witness is mother)
7:00-ish (Holly’s mother leaves for work, witness is herself)
7:00-ish (Holly talking on phone with college girlfriend, witness is girlfriend)
7:30-ish (Holly talked with boyfriend on phone about him being accused of trespassing on her grandmother’s property across the county that morning while turkey hunting, witness is boyfriend)
7:30-ish (a flurry of calls between Holly/Holly’s boyfriend and Holly’s mother about the mistaken trespassing incident, witnesses are boyfriend and mother)
7:30-7:35 (Holly talked with mother on phone, witness is mother)
7:40-ish (Holly going outside to car-possibly 5 minutes earlier than usual so as to not miss a college exam, no witnesses)
7:40 (someone screamed at Holly’s house, male witness to scream is nearest neighbor to Holly’s house)
7:40-ish (male neighbor tells his own mother who also lives with him about hearing the scream)
7:40-ish (male neighbor’s mother calls Holly’s mother at work about the scream, witness is secretary who relays info to mother)
****note that earlier newspaper accounts may indicate a 7:30 time for the scream AND that the neighbors called 911 at this same time, curiously the 7:30 time for a 911 call was supposedly mentioned by an official; it seems that this is now corrected to 7:40- but did someone call 911 before Holly’s mother?****
7:50 (Holly’s brother wakes up because their house dog is barking, witness is himself; note that I have previously suggested that he may have awakened as early as 7:40 to 7:45 because this allows enough time for all of the following incidents to occur)
7:50-ish (looking out the window Holly’s brother notices Holly’s car is still there and sees the silhouettes of two people kneeled down by the car, he also hears voices of two people, witness is himself)
7:50ish- Holly’s brother calls his mother but gets no answer because mother’s phone is not with her, witnesses are himself and secretary)
7:50-ish (mother gets message from secretary and calls son/Holly’s brother who tells his mother about Holly’s car still being there and the two people he saw, witnesses are son and mother)
7:50-ish (the alarmed mother calls 911 but is not satisfied that she talked to the right office, witness is Henderson County dispatch)
7:50-ish (Holly is seen being led into woods by a man, witness is brother)
7:50-ish (mother calls son again and son says Holly is walking into woods with a man he thinks is her boyfriend-mother says it cannot be her boyfriend and to call 911 and go outside with a gun and follow them, witnesses are son and mother)
7:50-ish (mother calls 911 again, witness is Decatur County dispatch)
7:50-ish (brother tries to call Holly but gets voicemail, witness is himself)
7:50-ish (brother tries to call Holly’s boyfriend but gets voicemail, witness is himself)
7:50-ish (brother gets a pistol and walks out of house and notices blood and a spilled can of soda by Holly’s car, witness is himself)
8:00 (neighbor woman pulls up to Holly’s house and reports the scream her son heard to Holly’s brother, neighbor woman and Holly’s brother are witnesses for each other)
8:00-ish: (brother calls 911 as he hears sirens, witness is presumably the dispatcher- note that this call may have been at 7:59 based on a supposed official comment)
8:00-ish (first police car arrives “just after 8 o’clock”)
8:00-ish (the immediate woods where Holly was last seen were searched by up to three officers; this is both indicated and contradicted by these two statements: (“Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt said as soon as deputies arrived, they took a statement from Clint and began searching where Holly was last seen” AND “Wyatt said deputies did not want to enter the area or allow others to do so for fear that they would impair some evidence that might be found and because they were waiting on a search dog and trying to gather information leading them to go a certain direction.”)
later than 8:15: (the State Patrol brought in a search dog or dogs; it is implied that this was the same day that Holly disappeared)
__________________________________________________ ____________

Now I present my Holly Bobo case timeline, with many additional entries of estimable credibility and even some outright rumors added. I have made subtle changes even for the more credible entries, to clarify the witness situation. The very speculative entries will be ?bracketed in question marks.? REMEMBER, phrases that are ?bracketed in question marks? are either unsubstantiated, very speculative, internet rumors, or the consequence of clever trolls. But if you are deeply interested in this case, please read and study the following timeline to get a few new angles.

APRIL 13, 2011

4:30 AM (Holly awoke and was in bedroom studying, witnesses unknown) (An inch of rain fell the day before; this means that anyone using unpaved roads in the area should have left foot tracks and/or tire impressions) (?This would also aid tracking dogs, because the prior rain washed away earlier scents, making new scents seem stronger?)
5:30-5:35 (Holly is still in her bedroom, available witness is father)
5:30-5:35 (Holly’s father leaves for work, available witness is himself and possibly the mother)
6:30-7:00 (Holly is in her bedroom and at her breakfast table and mother makes a lunch for Holly, available witness is mother)
7:00-ish (Holly’s mother leaves for work, available witness is mother)
7:00-ish (Holly talking on phone with college girlfriend, available witness is girlfriend)
7:30-ish (Holly talked with boyfriend on phone about him being accused of trespassing on her grandmother’s property across the county that morning while turkey hunting, available witness is boyfriend)
7:30-ish (a flurry of calls between Holly/Holly’s boyfriend and Holly’s mother about the mistaken trespassing incident, available witnesses are boyfriend and mother)
7:30-7:35 (Holly talked with mother on phone, available witness is mother)
7:40-ish (Holly is going outside to her car-possibly 5 minutes earlier than usual so as to not miss an important college exam, no available witnesses) (?some reports suggest the car was in her long driveway, and other reports suggest it was in a carport?)
7:40-ish (?Holly is confronted by the perpetrator near her black Mustang automobile. She drops her can of pop. According to officials the mystery perpetrator is likely to be someone who was familiar with her daily schedule?) (?it is also said that Holly was led a short distance from the carport back into a semi-enclosed garage?)
7:40 (someone screamed at Holly’s house, male witness to scream represents household of the nearest neighbors to Holly’s house)
7:40-ish (male neighbor tells his own mother who also lives with him about hearing the scream)
7:40-ish (male neighbor’s mother calls Holly’s mother at work about the scream, witness is school secretary who relays info to Holly's mother) (?Note that earlier newspaper accounts may indicate a 7:30 time for the scream AND that the neighbors called 911 at this same time, curiously the 7:30 time for a 911 call was supposedly mentioned by an official; it seems that this is now corrected to 7:40 AM- but did someone call 911 before Holly’s mother?)
7:40 to 7:50 (?Holly is attacked in some manner and leaves a small amount of blood on the carport floor, see later comments?) There seems to be widespread support that blood was found. (My judgment- ?a knife was used in the crime?)
7:50 (Holly’s brother wakes up because their house dog is barking, available witness is himself; note that I have previously suggested that he may have ?awakened as early as 7:40 to 7:45 because this allows enough time for all of the following incidents to occur?) (?It has been claimed that there were two dogs, one inside the house and one tied up or penned outside of the house?)
7:50-ish (looking out the window Holly’s brother notices Holly’s car is still there and sees the silhouettes of two people kneeling down by the car, he also hears voices of two people, available witness is himself) (Note that I am confused about whether the two silhouettes were seen leaning down, kneeling, squatting or sitting)
7:50ish- Holly’s brother calls his mother but gets no answer because mother’s phone is not with her, witnesses are himself and the mother’s school secretary) (I want to clarify this statement; the mother may have physically had her cell phone but since she was in class she turned it off)
7:50-ish (mother gets message from school secretary and calls her son/Holly’s brother who tells his mother about Holly’s car still being there and the two people he saw, available witnesses are son and mother)
7:50-ish (the alarmed mother calls 911 but is not satisfied that she talked to the right office, witness is Henderson County dispatch)
7:50-ish (Holly is seen being led into woods by a man, available witness is brother)
7:50-ish (mother calls son again and son says Holly is walking into woods with a man he thinks is her boyfriend-mother says it cannot be her boyfriend and to call 911 and go outside with a gun and follow them, available witnesses are son and mother)
7:50-ish (mother calls 911 again, witness is Decatur County dispatch) (?some early official reports make it sound like the mother made only one 911 call, but I think she made two and this is an honest error?)
7:50-ish (brother tries to call Holly but gets voicemail, available witness is himself)
7:50-ish (brother tries to call Holly’s boyfriend but gets voicemail, available witness is himself)
7:50-ish (brother gets a pistol and walks out of house and notices blood and a spilled can of soda by Holly’s car, available witness is himself) (?there are early reports that the brother called 911 at this time, but I believe this refers to a slightly later call?, mentioned below) (?Note that I am confused here, because some reports indicate the blood was in the semi-enclosed garage and other reports indicate the blood was by Holly’s car, which I understand was not IN the semi-enclosed garage?)
just before 7:55 AM: (?the abductor has left the woods and is in a vehicle?) This is purportedly based upon early published comments from investigators.
8:00 (the previously-mentioned neighbor woman pulls up to Holly’s house and reports the scream her son heard earlier to Holly’s brother; the neighbor woman and Holly’s brother are witnesses for each other)
8:00-ish: (brother calls 911, just as he hears sirens, witness is presumably the dispatcher- note that this call may have been at 7:59 based on a supposed official comment)
8:00-8:05 AM: (the first police car arrives at Holly Bobo’s house, “just after 8 o’clock”)
8:00-ish (the immediate area where Holly was last seen was searched by up to three officers; this is both indicated and contradicted by these two versions: “Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt said as soon as deputies arrived, they took a statement from Clint and began searching where Holly was last seen” AND “Wyatt said deputies did not want to enter the area or allow others to do so for fear that they would impair some evidence that might be found and because they were waiting on a search dog and trying to gather information leading them to go a certain direction.”)
8:15 AM-ish (?based upon the original timeline and travel time, this would be the earliest that Holly’s mother would be expected to have made it to her home, assuming that she left from the school where she worked?) (The mother was driven to her home by a friend) (If a friend drove Holly’s mother to the house, it is not clear to me why the mother was not using her own vehicle)
about 8:30 AM: (Holly’s father arrives home from his workplace)
8:35 AM (?this is about when the police may have began a ground search around the property?)
later than 8:35 AM: (the State Patrol brought in a search dog or dogs; it is implied that this was the same day that Holly disappeared) (I cannot establish when the tracking dogs were employed, but believe that it was not particularly long after Holly disappeared)
later than 8:35 AM: (?there are two principal stories; one is that the dogs could not track Holly’s scent into the woods; the other version is that the dogs crossed the lawn to a path and continued a short distance on that path into the woods and lost the scent near a logging road?)
9:06 AM: (?Holly’s cell phone pinged, placing her phone about a mile from her house, near the junction of Swan Johnson and 5 Forks Roads?) (This is a rumor that appeared as early as April 21 to 22, but the exact time and more precise location of this ping may have been added to the rumor mill at a later date)
9:12 AM: (?A cell phone belonging to a publicly-unidentified individual pinged ‘six minutes away’ from the location of Holly’s 9:06 AM ping?) (?The cell phone owner’s vehicle is said to have been seen earlier on Swan Johnson Road on the morning of April 13, 2011?) (?This ping may correlate with the one said to have occurred from a location near the intersection of Highway 882, and Russ Long-Cub Creek Hill Roads?)
possibly the afternoon of April 13: (?It is said that 250 volunteers searched around Holly Bobo’s home. This seems unlikely at such an early date?, but is based upon earliest newspaper reports)

APRIL 14, 2011

daytime: (?at least 50 searchers are active?)

APRIL 14, 2011

evening: (?A landowner discovered Holly’s white sling-bag/lunch box along a creek about 6 to 8 miles from her abduction site. This should also represent the so-called Bible Hill discovery, although it is said to actually be on Gooch Road?) (?I pick the 14th for this find, rather than the 15th, based upon earliest news accounts?) (?Note that this version of discovery is confusing because the earliest reports talked about ‘searchers’, but the initial find was supposedly made by one landowner. Possibly the police immediately went to the site and contributed to the discoveries?)

APRIL 15, 2011

midday to afternoon: (strong storms were forecast for the region during this time period, perhaps searches were delayed for a short time)

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 16 or 17, 2011

daytime: (?The volunteer search is moved to the Gooch Road/Bible Hill area. The duct tape with hair and additional items may have been found here, a day or two later into this search?) (?Anyway, several items may have been recovered, leading to odd internet rumors of the discovery of lipstick, chapstick, jeans, a dollar bill with Holly’s name and two pages from a psychology textbook with Holly’s name on the pages?) It is not perfectly clear to me if these rumors are directed at discoveries in the Gooch Road area.

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 17 or 18, 2011

daytime: (?this is the earliest time span where I can establish that searches were conducted in Natchez Trace State Park, with 350 volunteers, although I have found dates as late as April 22 for the extended search here?) Note that the earliest possible dates for this search could predate the recovery of cell phone records, and instead be based upon a tip or an investigative hunch. Also, around this time interval, officials asked local citizens to be on the lookout for changes in behavior of anyone they know; exhibiting such behavior as missing work Wednesday through Friday or someone who may have excessively cleaned or sold a vehicle or all-terrain vehicle.

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 18, 2011

daytime: (underwater searches for evidence are conducted)

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 19, 2011

daytime: (?The area between Holly Bobo’s home and the yet-to-be-discovered “Easter evidence” location is being searched?) (?It is said that five roads leading to and from Holly Bobo’s house were searched during this time?)

APRIL 21, 2011

daytime: (?The area east of the yet-to-be-discovered “Easter evidence” is searched?)

APRIL 22, 2011

daytime: (500 volunteer searchers are said to be looking at a more narrowly-defined area, after authorities ruled out territory that has been previously thoroughly searched) (My thoughts- ?the police may have acquired and analyzed cell phone records by the 22nd or 23rd?)

APRIL 22 TO 23, 2011

daytime: (?The searches are now reported to be split into two areas. One area matches the search at the intersection of 5 Forks Road and Swan Johnson Road, described below. The other area is said to be the southernmost search, and this location may be equivalent to one shown on the location map I saw on Websleuths?) (my thoughts- ?now armed with the cell phone records, the police are searching the area of the first ping?) (?As mentioned above, there are reports of searches at this late date in Natchez Trace Park; these searches may have been further north and in another county?)

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 23, 2011

daytime: (?police receive DNA information from the blood found at Holly Bobo’s house?) (?It has been claimed on TV that this was indeed Holly’s DNA?) (?The area around the intersection of 5 Forks Road and Swan Johnson Roads, as well as other areas closer to the abduction site may have been searched. The timing of the 5 Forks-Swan Johnson search on the 22nd or 23rd could relate to the internet rumors that Holly’s cell phone pinged about a mile from her house. It seems unlikely that the cell phone records could have been obtained via warrants and evaluated by the police until several days passed from the time of the abduction. So, that could explain why this close-by area was searched at a later point in time- it took days to acquire and analyze the phone data showing where Holly’s cell phone pinged?)

APRIL 23 TO APRIL 24, 2011

daytime: (?This search included the area that has been variously described as “Holladay Road, Highway 69, Eaton Plant off Highway 641, Kolpack, the Tennessee Technology Center where Holly attended school, and the Tri-County Concrete property at 100 Eaton St.” This search location could have been based upon a ping or call from the perpetrator’s cell phone or a ping from Holly’s cell phone, but there is a news report that it was based upon a phoned-in-tip. Anyway, this should be where the so-called “significant find” or “Easter evidence” was made. Early reports and internet chat described a “card”, even a hotel door card, and later rumors suggest either a SIM card or cell phone or both?) (The timing and wording of early news reports suggest either the 23rd or the 24th as the discovery date and that a singular “item” was found) (?It was reported that the police backtracked and later said this evidence might not be related to the case?)

AFTER APRIL 24, 2011

Anytime: (?The public searches ended?)


SLEUTH ON!

concentric
06-20-2012, 10:45 AM
I didn't read this in either timeline above:

Didn't Clint think that the figure with Holly in the garage was Drew and that he could have been showing her a turkey he had shot? And that could explain the blood to him?

Carla Lashelle
06-20-2012, 11:20 AM
Yes that goes back to IIRC the JVM interview where Clint says he saw silhouettes kneeling in the garage and he thought it was Drew and Holly and a turkey he had shot. He did not see blood at that time.

I believe he became suspicious later when he went back and saw blood, the spilled coke can, etc. Of course him mom had told him it was not Drew by that point anyway...

concentric
06-20-2012, 11:24 AM
Thanks Carla, I remember a lot of us went 'round and 'round about the turkey comment, who, what, when, where, why, how.

AnonymousD
06-20-2012, 12:47 PM
You're right. After taking a second closeup look, it does say "praying". I apologize.

It's quite alright! It took me some linking back & linking back to figure out the other DS before I could even see the picture.

MizStery
06-20-2012, 11:13 PM
BBM: ~nt~, to jump off of your post – Another interesting way to look at this case would be to look at the person who has been least likely to have the media spotlight on them. Of course, LE may be investigating this person, we just don’t know anything about it.

If I take Clint’s story as fact (maybe he has a hard time telling a story from a linear standpoint):

Clint says he saw someone with Holly who he thought was Drew. Okay. Who looks like Drew, but is not Drew?

Clint says the perp was wearing camo. Who was wearing camo that morning, but it’s not Drew?
Clint says he heard voices coming from the garage/carport. Also, it has been
stated by KB that there was a misunderstanding on her mother’s property that morning regarding hunting privileges. So, who had a beef with Holly (and/or the Bobo family) about being dressed down and embarrassed, but it’s not Drew?

I thought I would put this out there only because I have not heard anyone talk about this line of suspicion and it seems almost every other possibility has been
discussed.

JMO

OK,as I read through 'wishyouarehere's ' post...I am struck by the thought Clint in retelling events implicated Drew. Perhaps,Drew didn't take kindly to that ...so now,on America's Most Wanted. The same narrator nixed the similarities to Drew...and now we have the 'perp' looking like a 'cousin'

It is clear that in recounting details of Holly's disappearance it was important to advance a line of thought, while leaving out or distorting other telltale evidence(i.e. turkey blood)There is utter confusion in the relating of these incidents because details are rearranged and a precise chronology is impossible. MOO

A Grand Jury (in my opinion)might be the only hope of discovering what happened that terrible morning. Everyone else in this tragedy has moved on with their lives but poor innocent Holly is still missing. MOO

Mysterylover
06-21-2012, 12:25 PM
BBM: ~nt~, to jump off of your post – Another interesting way to look at this case would be to look at the person who has been least likely to have the media spotlight on them. Of course, LE may be investigating this person, we just don’t know anything about it.

If I take Clint’s story as fact (maybe he has a hard time telling a story from a linear standpoint):

Clint says he saw someone with Holly who he thought was Drew. Okay. Who looks like Drew, but is not Drew?

Clint says the perp was wearing camo. Who was wearing camo that morning, but it’s not Drew?

Clint says he heard voices coming from the garage/carport.
Also, it has been stated by KB that there was a misunderstanding on her mother’s property that morning regarding hunting privileges.

So, who had a beef with Holly (and/or the Bo
bo family) about being dressed down and embarrassed, but it’s not Drew?

I thought I would put this out there only because I have not heard anyone talk about this line of suspicion and it seems almost every other possibility has been discussed.

JMO
wishuwerehere, Good points!
I mentioned the same thing a while back....big coincidence that same morning.
Didn't Clint also said the person had a YOUNG sounding voice?

I'd think if Drew was his friend and H.'s boyfriend, Clint would have reconized his voice.
All the telephone calls and the hunting dispute on that SAME morning is no coincidence, imo..
Who was the person who ran Drew and his Dad off Grandmothers property?
Was he a cousin?
What agency is in charge of bringing this case in front of a Grand Jury?
It's time, imo...

wishuwerehere
06-21-2012, 02:43 PM
MizStery and Mysterylover: Thanks for your comments.

There is definitely some confusion in the telling of events about the morning Holly went missing. You would think the Bobo’s would want to clear up the confusion, and I think they have tried in their own way. Every time they get back in front of the camera a new line of confusion emerges, and we have more questions. It probably has something to do with what is being left out of the narrative. They may be talking around it so their telling of events is confusing. I think we can all agree that there are nuggets being left out of the narrative.

Speculation – KB: “That’s not Drew. It’s ____________.” Maybe KB was so sure it was not Drew because she already had a firm grasp on who was at the house with Holly. KB may have named someone to Clint over the phone (as well as the 911 call). However, if this is the case why wouldn’t LE name this someone as a POI???

Mysterylover
06-21-2012, 06:48 PM
And yes, like someone previously mentioned recently,
when they did not make any statements for the first 3 months, it kind of set the tone that something is strange about this case.

Why all the slience for 3 months when you have a missing family member that needs to be found.

It does not make any sense whatsoever IMO....

Hatfield, I just finished reading AMW.com and here is a snip of what I read. I noticed the story has changed again, from D. to a cousin.
It's been over a year, it's time the truth is revealed and we know what happened to Holly...imo
I hope it's o.k. to quote this:
Search Continues For Abducted Tenn. Woman

http://media.amw.com/multimedia/fileRepository/db/472/242/Holly-Bobo_content1.jpg

http://www.amw.com/images/magglass_red.gif View Larger (http://media.amw.com/multimedia/fileRepository/db/472/242/Holly-Bobo_enl1.jpg)
Holly was last seen on April 13, 2011.


Tennessee police are still searching for 21-year-old Holly Bobo, who disappeared on Wednesday, April 13, 2011.
Cops say Holly may have been abducted from her home in Decatur County, Tenn., at around 7:30 a.m. Her family says that's when she gets ready to leave for her classes in nursing school.

She was last seen by her brother, who says he saw her walking into the woods with a man he thought was their cousin.
The man was wearing camouflage, but that was not an unusual sight in the area at that time because it was turkey-hunting season.

Moments later, a neighbor drove up saying she heard yelling coming from the garage 20 minutes prior.
Realizing something was terribly wrong, Holly's brother dialed 9-1-1.

The neighbor had contacted Holly's mother at work a few minutes earlier, and she had called 9-1-1 as well before rushing home.

When officers arrived and checked the house, they found evidence of blood on the floor of the garage.

Plumeria5
06-22-2012, 01:55 AM
wishuwerehere, Good points!
I mentioned the same thing a while back....big coincidence that same morning.
Didn't Clint also said the person had a YOUNG sounding voice?

I'd think if Drew was his friend and H.'s boyfriend, Clint would have reconized his voice.
All the telephone calls and the hunting dispute on that SAME morning is no coincidence, imo..
Who was the person who ran Drew and his Dad off Grandmothers property?
Was he a cousin?
What agency is in charge of bringing this case in front of a Grand Jury?
It's time, imo...

BBM Yes, not only the same morning, but within minutes of her disappearing. Very strange series of events. Unless there were voice mails then there is no way for le to know the details of the conversations during those phone calls?

Almondjoy
06-23-2012, 06:31 AM
I am relatively new to posting here, so have patience, please! I have been reading as many of the threads as I can digest and trying to make sense of the chain of events!

What I specifically wanted to discuss is the layout of the Bobo home and this "carport area." I live in TN and get my news from the Middle Tennessee news outlets mostly. If you don't live in TN, you may not know that our state has three distinct geographical areas--West, Middle, and East. Our news is covered by stations whose signals primarily go out to one of the three specific regions. Nashville, our capital city, lies in Middle TN. Here, we do not hear much news from the other two regions, unless the story is big, as it was with Holly's story.

One of our local channels in Middle TN did a story recently on Holly, and Clint spoke in the story, explaining a little about the "carport." I wish I had the link, and perhaps I can find it, if the story is up on the news site. At any rate, I heard from Clint's own mouth a detail I had not heard before. He was explaining that there was an outer carport, where the cars were, and then there was some kind of enclosed room-- maybe where a garage used to be-- but that had been closed in to some kind of room.

I'm going from memory on this story, but the way he described it, something woke him (dogs barking?) and he got up and went in the kitchen. In the kitchen, there was a door with a window in it. This door led to what used to be the garage, but was now closed in. He saw two people crouched down, like squatting, with their backs to him. One was Holly. The other was the guy in camo clothing. They appeared to be examine something. I'm pretty sure he went on to say that this was the spot where he later saw blood.

So, my question is--if this account is correct--what happened from the time Holly exited the house until her brother saw her in the enclosed room? I submit, and these are my opinions based on what we've been told, that she exited the home carrying a purse (with items girls carry, cellphone, I.d.'s, etc.), a can or cup of soda (my youngsters like to drink a Mountain Dew or the like to wake them up before a test) , and a lunch bag (supposedly packed by her mother), AND her college books ( possibly in a book bag.) That is a lot to carry! In addition, she might have been fumbling with keys (don't know if she locked car at night or not.) my point is, her hands were full.

At this juncture, it would seem she meets up with someone outside. I suspect that this person's arrival is what set off the dogs! I know my dog can hear someone driving up our long gravel driveway before I can. The frequency of gravel crunching drives my little dog insane, and she reacts strongly, even when it's people she knows! I believe the person was already in place by the time Holly got outside, and he intercepted her as she was distracted and fumbling the many things she carried!

I know that when I am startled, I have screamed loudly at times! Perhaps Holly's scream was a reflex reaction to being surprised by someone who had slipped up behind her. When you turn and see someone there, when you thought no one was around, you scream sometimes! Perhaps her scream set the dogs off. The brother didn't hear it, but that is not out of the realm of possibility! If his door was shut, and he had a fan going or music, or even a pretty soundproof room on the other end of the house, he would not hear anything. But the dogs have much better hearing than humans!

Perhaps the man who approached Holly scared her and she screamed, and the dogs began to bark, and he panicked and punched her, telling her to be quiet! Perhaps she tried to run back inside, knowing Clint was there. Somehow, they ended up back in the enclosed part of the garage area. Clint stated in this interview that what he saw was more like silhouettes than clear images. (I'm paraphrasing his comments as I remember them.) At this point, I think the only thing he thought was weird about this situation was that Holly was not getting to school. I don't think he particularly sensed any danger yet, according to reports.

So, has anyone else read or heard these same facts? Do you think there is anything to the story of two different garage or carport areas? Can anyone put their finger on which interview it was where he said these things?

MizStery
06-23-2012, 10:40 AM
I am relatively new to posting here, so have patience, please! I have been reading as many of the threads as I can digest and trying to make sense of the chain of events!

I'm going from memory on this story, but the way he described it, something woke him (dogs barking?) and he got up and went in the kitchen. In the kitchen, there was a door with a window in it. This door led to what used to be the garage, but was now closed in. He saw two people crouched down, like squatting, with their backs to him. One was Holly. The other was the guy in camo clothing. They appeared to be examine something. I'm pretty sure he went on to say that this was the spot where he later saw blood.

So, my question is--if this account is correct--what happened from the time Holly
exited the house until her brother saw her in the enclosed room?
<snipped>

So, has anyone else read or heard these same facts? Do you think there is anything to the story of two different garage or carport areas? Can anyone put their finger on which interview it was where he said these things?

Welcome to Websleuths. :welcome3:Thanks for the insight in news broadcast for TN. Here's some place to start. Hope you get some of your questions answered!

Quote:
Originally Posted by*Woe.be.gone*
How does one see into an attached garage from inside one's house?
CB claims the garage is attached to the house.
I've been under the impression that the garage was that carport that looks
to be in the back and to the right of the house if you're facing the front of the house with the circular drive in front of it.
If there is an attached garage it would be to the left of the front door.
How would CB be able to see into that garage from the inside of his house?


Quote:
Originally Posted by MizStery
I believe this is from the "Jackson Sun" newspaper.
This describes the relationship of where the blood by the car is in relation to the house.~n/t~ on*
the previous page of the thread has the transcript from Valez-Mitchell interview where she asks CB about that.

Clint described the man as wearing a noninsulating type of camouflage a turkey hunter might wear and said that he could not see the man's face or hands. He
believes he might have been wearing gloves and a cap. He said both Holly and the man had their backs turned to him. Clint told investigators the man was between 5 feet 8 inches and 6 feet tall and weighed around 200 pounds.

Karen said she told Clint to get a gun and go after the man. She hung up to call 911 again and reached Decatur County. She still had not told Clint about Drew being on the other side of the county, and Clint said he still believed the man to be Holly's boyfriend.


Clint got a loaded pistol,*walked out of the back door and went through an open garage attached to the house. That's when he saw a puddle of blood near Holly's car.

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said. "I thought, 'He's killed a turkey up here on this trail behind the house and brought it to the house to show Holly before she goes to school.'"

"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams."

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Link(not sure if it will work)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7550199#post7550199

wfgodot
06-23-2012, 11:22 AM
"The thing is there was no turkey." Words to live by, Clint, words to live by.

MizStery
06-23-2012, 11:41 AM
"The thing is there was no turkey." Words to live by, Clint, words to live by.

:goldstar:
:goldstar:
:goldstar:

dejavoodoo64
06-23-2012, 09:49 PM
Hatfield, I just finished reading AMW.com and here is a snip of what I read. I noticed the story has changed again, from D. to a cousin.
It's been over a year, it's time the truth is revealed and we know what happened to Holly...imo
I hope it's o.k. to quote this:
Search Continues For Abducted Tenn. Woman

http://media.amw.com/multimedia/fileRepository/db/472/242/Holly-Bobo_content1.jpg

http://www.amw.com/images/magglass_red.gif View Larger (http://media.amw.com/multimedia/fileRepository/db/472/242/Holly-Bobo_enl1.jpg)
Holly was last seen on April 13, 2011.


Tennessee police are still searching for 21-year-old Holly Bobo, who disappeared on Wednesday, April 13, 2011.
Cops say Holly may have been abducted from her home in Decatur County, Tenn., at around 7:30 a.m. Her family says that's when she gets ready to leave for her classes in nursing school.

She was last seen by her brother, who says he saw her walking into the woods with a man he thought was their cousin.
The man was wearing camouflage, but that was not an unusual sight in the area at that time because it was turkey-hunting season.

Moments later, a neighbor drove up saying she heard yelling coming from the garage 20 minutes prior. Realizing something was terribly wrong, Holly's brother dialed 9-1-1.

The neighbor had contacted Holly's mother at work a few minutes earlier, and she had called 9-1-1 as well before rushing home.

When officers arrived and checked the house, they found evidence of blood on the floor of the garage.

I wonder how she knew the yelling was coming from the garage? It could be AMW is confused, which I've read here happens with them sometimes.

cluciano63
06-23-2012, 10:23 PM
"The thing is there was no turkey." Words to live by, Clint, words to live by.

(oh there was a turkey, alright...)

Plumeria5
06-23-2012, 10:44 PM
(oh there was a turkey, alright...)

:applause:

wishuwerehere
06-24-2012, 12:35 AM
<snipped from MizStery's post above, Clint stated:> "...I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams."

This has been one of my MAIN questions from the beginning of this case, and of course, it is still looming.

If the call from the neighbor was KB’s first inclination something was wrong at the house (i.e., screams were heard), why didn’t KB tell this to Clint over the phone? I keep waiting for that information to come out and it never does. Does this indicate that Clint got in touch with his mother before the neighbor did? Possibly. But Clint has stated when he placed the call he couldn’t get in touch with his mother. (I don’t know if he left a voicemail on her cell phone, left a message with the school, or if any message was left at all.) So if KB got in touch with Clint based on a reaction to the neighbor’s call and not Clint’s call to her, WHY didn’t she mention the SCREAMS to Clint????

As bolded above, we are to believe that Clint’s initial awareness about the screams were directly from the neighbor. That doesn’t make any sense. Because if KB told Clint to get a gun and go after them, that means she was already aware of the screams that were heard. So why is the information about KB telling Clint about the screams being deleted from the narrative? 3…2…1…

Plumeria5
06-24-2012, 01:33 AM
<snipped from MizStery's post above, Clint stated:> "...I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams."

This has been one of my MAIN questions from the beginning of this case, and of course, it is still looming.

If the call from the neighbor was KB’s first inclination something was wrong at the house (i.e., screams were heard), why didn’t KB tell this to Clint over the phone? I keep waiting for that information to come out and it never does. Does this indicate that Clint got in touch with his mother before the neighbor did? Possibly. But Clint has stated when he placed the call he couldn’t get in touch with his mother. (I don’t know if he left a voicemail on her cell phone, left a message with the school, or if any message was left at all.) So if KB got in touch with Clint based on a reaction to the neighbor’s call and not Clint’s call to her, WHY didn’t she mention the SCREAMS to Clint????

As bolded above, we are to believe that Clint’s initial awareness about the screams were directly from the neighbor. That doesn’t make any sense. Because if KB told Clint to get a gun and go after them, that means she was already aware of the screams that were heard. So why is the information about KB telling Clint about the screams being deleted from the narrative? 3…2…1…

Very true. And not only why didn't Karen tell Clint about the screams but...
why didn't Clint hear the screams?? I think a long time ago I estimated the distance between the houses was about a football field, 300 feet. How could the neighbor hear and not Clint. Granted, if the neighbor son was outside checking the oil in his car as some have said then maybe it was easier for him to hear. And Clint was inside the house but he couldn't have been over what, 40 or 50 feet away at most?

~n/t~
06-24-2012, 07:02 AM
Just checking in for news. It's mind boggling that this case like so many others remain unsolved even the ones I thought for sure were on their way to getting solved quickly like Mickey Shunick, Sierra Lamar, Katelyn Markham and so many others.

Depressing and frightening.

Carla Lashelle
06-24-2012, 12:14 PM
If Clint were asleep, inside, with the door closed, he may very well have not heard a scream. I think, perhaps, the scream may have woken him up but by then there was nothing to hear. The neighbor that heard it was outside at the time.

I too would like to know who said what to whom and in what sequence on the phone.

Whisperer
06-24-2012, 01:23 PM
The public has been mislead from day 1. LE knows the real story and is protecting somebody.

Clint distorted the truth every time he spoke. NOW it was a cousin he thought he saw and not Drew. Do any of us believe that? NOPE! The family needs to be called out and so do the police. This is disgusting.

We couldn't even figure out what Clint was saying regarding a garage. We now assume the garage is a family room that has a glass paneled door which leads to the kitchen, It also appears there is a window over the sink that faces the "open" carport.

It was first reported as a home invasion; then we were told that was not true; we were then told Holly was dragged to the woods; then we were told that was not true; then we were told the guy appeared to be Drew; then we were told that was not true; then were told there was blood splatter on the leaves of the grass; then we were told no, there was a small puddle of blood in the carport. Then we were told there were shadows seen in the garage of people kneeling down. Come on now!

If he saw shadows, there was light. It was most likely from the glass door leading to the enclosed garage which is now a living room/den. It may have been covered with sheers. There may have been a light on in the room. That is how he saw shadows. He certainly didn't see shadows in daylight from the kitchen window (over the sink) and observe them kneeling because I am betting that that window covering stayed open. There would not be shadows in a carport. I am still at a loss as to whether the crime occurred in front or in back of the house.

It is my opinion that the family is lying. The Pastor/police are not going to question them. They have received tons of donations and I bet the church is holding on to it. Call my cynical but this case is a sham. Clint was not observing any of this from inside the house. I am sick of excuses being made for this family. They have not come out and pleaded much at all..but they have collected money. We have thought and spoken about our feelings on other cases where the family is silent but this one seems to get a pass.

The final straw was changing the perp from Drew to a cousin. What is going on in that part of the country? Not one reporter has called the family out on this....have they?

Whisperer
06-24-2012, 01:35 PM
Has this family had a mental health assessment? I highly suggest it..

marycarney
06-24-2012, 01:53 PM
This case frustrates me to no end. So much so that I only 'allow' myself to check the thread once a week or so.
Argggghh............

cluciano63
06-24-2012, 03:22 PM
To be fair, I think AMW got the "cousin" thing wrong...they are not known for accuracy. On the other hand, maybe Drew IS a cousin...

nosyone
06-24-2012, 04:00 PM
I was under the impression that KB was the first 911 caller and am wondering if she reported the incident as a home invasion. If so, why??? How could LE get that wrong, they definitely have the recordings. I really believe if the call(s) were released, it would shed a whole new light on the case!

Carla Lashelle
06-24-2012, 06:08 PM
I was under the impression that KB was the first 911 caller and am wondering if she reported the incident as a home invasion. If so, why??? How could LE get that wrong, they definitely have the recordings. I really believe if the call(s) were released, it would shed a whole new light on the case!

We don't know the exact sequence of who called whom and when but I don't think Karen would have been the first person to call 911 since I think the neighbor called first.

MizStery
06-24-2012, 08:23 PM
We don't know the exact sequence of who called whom and when but I don't think Karen would have been the first person to call 911 since I think the neighbor called first.

:doorhide:
Does anyone think,Holly might have have initiated one of the 911calls?
:whiteflag:

nosyone
06-24-2012, 09:07 PM
:doorhide:
Does anyone think,Holly might have have initiated one of the 911calls?
:whiteflag:


WOW! That's an interesting question!

dejavoodoo64
06-24-2012, 10:25 PM
The public has been mislead from day 1. LE knows the real story and is protecting somebody.

Clint distorted the truth every time he spoke. NOW it was a cousin he thought he saw and not Drew. Do any of us believe that? NOPE! The family needs to be called out and so do the police. This is disgusting.

We couldn't even figure out what Clint was saying regarding a garage. We now assume the garage is a family room that has a glass paneled door which leads to the kitchen, It also appears there is a window over the sink that faces the "open" carport.

It was first reported as a home invasion; then we were told that was not true; we were then told Holly was dragged to the woods; then we were told that was not true; then we were told the guy appeared to be Drew; then we were told that was not true; then were told there was blood splatter on the leaves of the grass; then we were told no, there was a small puddle of blood in the carport. Then we were told there were shadows seen in the garage of people kneeling down. Come on now!

If he saw shadows, there was light. It was most likely from the glass door leading to the enclosed garage which is now a living room/den. It may have been covered with sheers. There may have been a light on in the room. That is how he saw shadows. He certainly didn't see shadows in daylight from the kitchen window (over the sink) and observe them kneeling because I am betting that that window covering stayed open. There would not be shadows in a carport. I am still at a loss as to whether the crime occurred in front or in back of the house.

It is my opinion that the family is lying. The Pastor/police are not going to question them. They have received tons of donations and I bet the church is holding on to it. Call my cynical but this case is a sham. Clint was not observing any of this from inside the house. I am sick of excuses being made for this family. They have not come out and pleaded much at all..but they have collected money. We have thought and spoken about our feelings on other cases where the family is silent but this one seems to get a pass.

The final straw was changing the perp from Drew to a cousin. What is going on in that part of the country? Not one reporter has called the family out on this....have they?

Yeah I expected an immediate clarification of cousin or looked like Drew. Never heard a thing. If family like a cousin was mentioned looks like they would want to clarify it right away. If for no other reason than the scrutiny of the cousins by locals. Something ain't right at all. Or at least give a description of the cousin if they don't think he had anything to do with it.

dejavoodoo64
06-24-2012, 10:40 PM
WOW! That's an interesting question!

It sure is and on that recording she may say who it is. And whoever she mentioned has an ironclad alibi possibly. I don't know, just guessing and its JMO of course. Also if someone was wearing camo I would think they were wearing one of those face covering tobbogans. The ones with just eye, nose and mouth holes. I've worn one many times in bad weather and hunting sometimes. I mean why would someone that does this risk having their face seen? *Shrug* This is the biggest mess I've ever seen of a case.

cluciano63
06-24-2012, 10:47 PM
One of the biggest mysteries is the time lapse that Holly apparently spent talking to him before they left...I think she HAS to know him...

Whisperer
06-24-2012, 11:38 PM
Beats the jeezies out of me how can LE arrive within minutes of a crime, have an eye witness, and not be able to solve it? I don't think I have ever heard of anything like this before.

~n/t~
06-25-2012, 08:40 AM
I agree with you all that the inconsistent statements and the ever changing story is quite supsect and begs questioning as to why they're not being investigated.

Did they all take polygraphs including Drew and his family? What about Holly's friends and acquaintances were they questioned? Extended family members? We don't even know where Holly was the night before, do we? Did Drew end up hunting or not? Or did he leave and go to work? Is that his alibi? What about Drew's dad? Did he go to work after they were denied to hunt on the property? Clint's alibi was he was at home witnessed by the neighbour at 7:40 am or thereabouts. Mom's alibi was work. Dad's alibi was work. Holly's best friend was at school already when Holly didn't show up at 8 am and by that time they already knew something happened.

Are we missing anybody else? We assume all RSO's were checked out and the ones who were missing or unaccounted for are in jail (??) Are they ruled out? None of them looked like Drew.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 09:52 AM
Yeah, mostly the deep South. Look at the Tara Grinstead case for starters.

These Sheriff/Pastor types like to keep things to themselves....and the people don't seem to mind either. They follow the Sheriff/Pastors' orders....like sheep.

The Bobo case and the Grinstead case should have both been solved in the first 48 hrs. Can you imagine any LE in the U.S arriving at the scene of the crime within x10 min of 911 (Bobo), with an eye witness and NOT solving the crime. In GA and TN, it seems to happen more than anywhere else in the country.

I don't mean to be rude, but I was reading back through the thread to catch up and this post really offended me. I live in Tennessee and we certainly don't have a monopoly on not so good cops. It not difficult to find any number of cases across the country that could have been, should have been, solved early on but were not.

There is a big difference between what the police know or think and what they can prove on a case. If I have enough evidence to be pretty sure what happened, but not enough to charge someone, why would I make a statement? Asking for info or help? The only thing that would do is let the perp know that I'm no closer to nailing him or her.

Everyone in the area already knows she is still missing. What else is there to say? Just wondering....

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 10:54 AM
This case makes my head hurt. I no longer have any guesses as to what happened, all I know is it stinks!
I will be peeved if it turned out that Holly had just run away. (although at least that would mean she's alive) I don't believe that though, but who knows.

I really don't think she ran away or that TBI believes she ran away. She was over 18 and has a legal right to live where she likes. If TBI decided she left on her own, they would say so and take her picture down. Plus, TBI has zero motiviation to keep that information quiet to help the family convince her to come home.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 11:08 AM
Thanks, and actually, that it would be second week of the season or so, perhaps even better for a thug since there might be less people in the woods, yet it he would still fit in as someone hunting!

Bless your heart. :) Avid hunters go out every possible chance they get. First day, second day, last day, they don't stop until the season closes.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 11:15 AM
<snipped>Once again, my theory never stated the body was carried off. "Stashed" is what my theory claims, then removed later along with the belongings.

jmo

Okay, so assuming you are correct, and that she was killed (either spur of moment or planned) why stash the body instead of just getting the heck out of dodge? And where would they stash it on short notice where it would not have been found during the initial few days? The smell alone should have given away that body's location after a couple of days.

And, more importantly to me - if you may have gotten away with murder, why would you go back and risk being caught moving the body? Why not just leave it where it is?

There are clearly many things we don't know, but I just cannot buy this particular theory. :)

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 11:27 AM
My guess is LE doesn't want the tape released because it is prejudicial to the family. No other scenario fits.

I disagree. It could be that the 911 call mentions someone else and they don't want that person publicly lynched if there is no evidence to support their involvement. Or they are protecting another witness who saw something because they want to keep that info to themselves. Police often solve cases by NOT showing all their cards, yet we continue to insist that they throw them all on the floor.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 11:39 AM
<snip>Clint says he saw someone with Holly who he thought was Drew. Okay. Who looks like Drew, but is not Drew?

Clint says the perp was wearing camo. Who was wearing camo that morning, but it’s not Drew?

I just looked up turkey camo (hubby doesn't hunt turkeys) and realized that full turkey camo includes a face cover. I probably couldn't identify my husband from 10 feet away wearing all that mess. If the person really was in full turkey garb, I'm not surprised Clint can't give a better description, but he might have assumed it was Drew and went about his business. Just a thought.

dejavoodoo64
06-25-2012, 01:30 PM
I really don't think she ran away or that TBI believes she ran away. She was over 18 and has a legal right to live where she likes. If TBI decided she left on her own, they would say so and take her picture down. Plus, TBI has zero motiviation to keep that information quiet to help the family convince her to come home.

BBM

It is JMO, but I believe if she was thought to have run away and of legal age they are still required to make contact with the individual and make sure that is the truth. In other words they need verification, make certain the person isn't being held under threat and he/she left and is where they want to be. Until it has been established if she left on her own or abducted LE can't say one way or the other. In this case I've seen kidnapping, abducted, possibly abducted and run away. Some(including myself) see it as plausible that she ran away. I hope that is the case anyway.

MizStery
06-25-2012, 01:47 PM
I disagree. It could be that the 911 call mentions someone else and they don't want that person publicly lynched if there is no evidence to support their involvement. Or they are protecting another witness who saw something because they want to keep that info to themselves. Police often solve cases by NOT showing all their cards, yet we continue to insist that they throw them all on the floor.

Names and addresses can be redacted before the 911 call transcript is released. MOO

wishuwerehere
06-25-2012, 02:02 PM
Very true. And not only why didn't Karen tell Clint about the screams but...
why didn't Clint hear the screams?? I think a long time ago I estimated the distance between the houses was about a football field, 300 feet. How could the neighbor hear and not Clint. Granted, if the neighbor son was outside checking the oil in his car as some have said then maybe it was easier for him to hear. And Clint was inside the house but he couldn't have been over what, 40 or 50 feet away at most?

Plumeria5:

Thanks for your comment. It makes me think about how justified Clint was for not reacting to the events of that morning:

1. Clint didn’t hear Holly scream.
2. As far as we know, KB did not tell Clint about the screams on the phone.
3. Clint believed Holly was talking/walking with Drew. (No need for alarm.)
4. Clint assumed Holly and Drew were kneeling over a turkey, so no need for concern there.
5. According to Clint, he never did see the perp’s face, so he can’t help with identification.
6. Although Clint did try to call both Holly and Drew on their cells, he wasn’t able to reach them. Hmm.. too bad he didn’t just stick his head out of the door and find out what was going on.

Yes, very justified for not reacting. It seems everything lined up for Clint not to react to help Holly in any way UNTIL it was too late.

jmo

wishuwerehere
06-25-2012, 02:05 PM
I just looked up turkey camo (hubby doesn't hunt turkeys) and realized that full turkey camo includes a face cover. I probably couldn't identify my husband from 10 feet away wearing all that mess. If the person really was in full turkey garb, I'm not surprised Clint can't give a better description, but he might have assumed it was Drew and went about his business. Just a thought.

Thanks for your opinions. We all have our own.

Here's a thought: Next time you quote a post, quote the whole post. By snipping only a portion of my post above, you missed the whole point. I suggest standing on your own positive points.

JMO

Plumeria5
06-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Plumeria5:

Thanks for your comment. It makes me think about how justified Clint was for not reacting to the events of that morning:

1. Clint didn’t hear Holly scream.
2. As far as we know, KB did not tell Clint about the screams on the phone.
3. Clint believed Holly was talking/walking with Drew. (No need for alarm.)
4. Clint assumed Holly and Drew were kneeling over a turkey, so no need for concern there.
5. According to Clint, he never did see the perp’s face, so he can’t help with identification.
6. Although Clint did try to call both Holly and Drew on their cells, he wasn’t able to reach them. Hmm.. too bad he didn’t just stick his head out of the door and find out what was going on.

Yes, very justified for not reacting. It seems everything lined up for Clint not to react to help Holly in any way UNTIL it was too late.

jmo

So true. And, Clint was right. "Holly isn't coming home anytime soon."

wishuwerehere
06-25-2012, 02:44 PM
Okay, so assuming you are correct, and that she was killed (either spur of moment or planned) why stash the body instead of just getting the heck out of dodge? And where would they stash it on short notice where it would not have been found during the initial few days? The smell alone should have given away that body's location after a couple of days.

And, more importantly to me - if you may have gotten away with murder, why would you go back and risk being caught moving the body? Why not just leave it where it is?

There are clearly many things we don't know, but I just cannot buy this particular theory. :)

BBM – I know you’re not talking about me. WTH? Who is this “you”?

First of all, this theory is based on a “in the heat of the moment” crime.

Also, I never stated the body was stashed for days. That is your assumption of the theory.

Have you ever heard of the phrase “returning to the scene of the crime?” I believe criminals do this for many, many reasons. Moving a body would be one of many.

But you are right about one thing: There is a smell associated with this case and it is coming directly from Clint’s telling of events.

jmo

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 03:12 PM
BBM

It is JMO, but I believe if she was thought to have run away and of legal age they are still required to make contact with the individual and make sure that is the truth. In other words they need verification, make certain the person isn't being held under threat and he/she left and is where they want to be. Until it has been established if she left on her own or abducted LE can't say one way or the other. In this case I've seen kidnapping, abducted, possibly abducted and run away. Some(including myself) see it as plausible that she ran away. I hope that is the case anyway.

I'm sure they would prefer to talk to them to be 100% sure. However, if someone files a missing person's report on a legal adult and the initial investigation turns up no evidence of foul play, my understanding is that the police will politely remind the family that the person is of legal age and close the file.

But, with at least initial evidence of foul play and a 911 call, if the family later came to believe she had run away, even if the police agreed, I don't believe they would pretend they still believed she was abducted. Their mission is to help those in immediate danger and to solve crimes, not reunite dysfunctional families. JMO, of course.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 03:15 PM
BBM – I know you’re not talking about me. WTH? Who is this “you”?

First of all, this theory is based on a “in the heat of the moment” crime.

Also, I never stated the body was stashed for days. That is your assumption of the theory.

Have you ever heard of the phrase “returning to the scene of the crime?” I believe criminals do this for many, many reasons. Moving a body would be one of many.

But you are right about one thing: There is a smell associated with this case and it is coming directly from Clint’s telling of events.

jmo

Obviously I wasn't talking about anyone here but, since it bothered you, how is this: If I had killed someone and escaped the scene undetected, and the police clearly had not found my victim, no way no how would I go back to to move the body while there is a state-wide criminal investigation and search underway.

maskedwoman
06-25-2012, 03:18 PM
Names and addresses can be redacted before the 911 call transcript is released. MOO

Yes, they can, of course. I suppose it depends on what they are holding back. And, of course, I'm assuming a lot, just like we all are.

Hmm... maybe I can work "of course" into that post just ONE more time, lol.

wishuwerehere
06-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Obviously I wasn't talking about anyone here but, since it bothered you, how is this: If I had killed someone and escaped the scene undetected, and the police clearly had not found my victim, no way no how would I go back to to move the body while there is a state-wide criminal investigation and search underway.

Thank you for the clarification.

Anyway, it just depends on where a body could have been stashed. If in the trunk of a car, someone could have driven off with it and no one would be the wiser.

I do not have information whether LE searched the trunk of vehicles which were parked on the Bobo property at the time of abduction. That is why this particular theory is still a possibility, IMO.

jmo

~n/t~
06-25-2012, 07:06 PM
I just looked up turkey camo (hubby doesn't hunt turkeys) and realized that full turkey camo includes a face cover. I probably couldn't identify my husband from 10 feet away wearing all that mess. If the person really was in full turkey garb, I'm not surprised Clint can't give a better description, but he might have assumed it was Drew and went about his business. Just a thought.

Why did he assume Drew? Out of hundreds who may have been hunting that day, why do you think he assumed it was Drew? And if he did assume it was Drew even after his mom told him it wasn't, why didn't he go out and yell out his name? They were buddies.

~n/t~
06-25-2012, 07:12 PM
Okay, so assuming you are correct, and that she was killed (either spur of moment or planned) why stash the body instead of just getting the heck out of dodge? And where would they stash it on short notice where it would not have been found during the initial few days? The smell alone should have given away that body's location after a couple of days.

And, more importantly to me - if you may have gotten away with murder, why would you go back and risk being caught moving the body? Why not just leave it where it is?

There are clearly many things we don't know, but I just cannot buy this particular theory. :)


DNA found on the body would identify the suspect, imo. In this scenario, it could be someone close or a RSO who has their DNA in the database. I'm going to speculate that it is someone close to Holly because RSO's really don't give a darn about the victim and they would have done whatever they needed to do and left the body there. IMO, if it was a RSO, she would have been found by now.

AnonymousD
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
:doorhide:
Does anyone think,Holly might have have initiated one of the 911calls?
:whiteflag:

Wow. Now there's a line of thought I hadn't even considered.

Perhaps leading more into the why they haven't released the calls?

dejavoodoo64
06-25-2012, 09:49 PM
Its nice to see some posts in this thread again. Even started a new page.

CocoChanel
06-25-2012, 11:36 PM
I'm sure they would prefer to talk to them to be 100% sure. However, if someone files a missing person's report on a legal adult and the initial investigation turns up no evidence of foul play, my understanding is that the police will politely remind the family that the person is of legal age and close the file.

But, with at least initial evidence of foul play and a 911 call, if the family later came to believe she had run away, even if the police agreed, I don't believe they would pretend they still believed she was abducted. Their mission is to help those in immediate danger and to solve crimes, not reunite dysfunctional families. JMO, of course.

I don't think any of the principals in this case are "pretending they still believe she was abducted". Nor do I think LE would try to reunite a dysfunctional family. I think it is possible that Clint saw Holly leave with someone that frightened KB terribly, and that the family knew she was not going to be coming back for a long time.

Liberty's Way
06-26-2012, 09:19 PM
I am new to websleuths, and I've read what I could of all the HB threads. There's just a few things that i wonder and must ask... (I apologize if these have been asked and answers before, as I have not read all of the threads.)
1. If it was confirmed that there was blood, was it enough to believe she was deceased? IMO I want to believe she is alive, but I go back and forth about it.
2. Have LE questioned any of the men she knew? (acquaintances, friends, ex boyfriends, etc. I know they believe this man could have been a complete stranger stalking her for a while, but did Holly get hints that she had a stalker?)
3. Could her abductor be someone her brother knew, but she didn't?
4. Has her brother been given a polygraph test? Based of the fact he waited a WHOLE HOUR (what was he doing during that time?), I would have looked into it.
5. Were there ANY reports of a vehicle starting up and going full speed across the road? From my understanding, the woods was full of farmland. Some dogs could have gone off barking if they sensed some sort of threat.
6. Did the dogs pick up anything at all while tracking Holly's scent? If there was blood involved, couldn't they have picked up on something?
(Sorry for so many questions!)

Plumeria5
06-26-2012, 09:37 PM
I am new to websleuths, and I've read what I could of all the HB threads. There's just a few things that i wonder and must ask... (I apologize if these have been asked and answers before, as I have not read all of the threads.)
1. If it was confirmed that there was blood, was it enough to believe she was deceased? IMO I want to believe she is alive, but I go back and forth about it.
2. Have LE questioned any of the men she knew? (acquaintances, friends, ex boyfriends, etc. I know they believe this man could have been a complete stranger stalking her for a while, but did Holly get hints that she had a stalker?)
3. Could her abductor be someone her brother knew, but she didn't?
4. Has her brother been given a polygraph test? Based of the fact he waited a WHOLE HOUR (what was he doing during that time?), I would have looked into it.
5. Were there ANY reports of a vehicle starting up and going full speed across the road? From my understanding, the woods was full of farmland. Some dogs could have gone off barking if they sensed some sort of threat.
6. Did the dogs pick up anything at all while tracking Holly's scent? If there was blood involved, couldn't they have picked up on something?
(Sorry for so many questions!)

Great questions and :wagon:

MizStery
06-26-2012, 11:12 PM
I am new to websleuths, and I've read what I could of all the HB threads. There's just a few things that i wonder and must ask... (I apologize if these have been asked and answers before, as I have not read all of the threads.)
1. If it was confirmed that there was blood, was it enough to believe she was deceased? IMO I want to believe she is alive, but I go back and forth about it.
2. Have LE questioned any of the men she knew? (acquaintances, friends, ex boyfriends, etc. I know they believe this man could have been a complete stranger stalking her for a while, but did Holly get hints that she had a stalker?)
3. Could her abductor be someone her brother knew, but she didn't?
4. Has her brother been given a polygraph test? Based of the fact he waited a WHOLE HOUR (what was he doing during that time?), I would have looked into it.
5. Were there ANY reports of a vehicle starting up and going full speed across
the road? From my understanding, the woods was full of farmland. Some dogs could have gone off barking if they sensed some sort of threat.
6. Did the dogs pick up anything at all while tracking Holly's scent? If there was blood involved, couldn't they have picked up on something?
(Sorry for so many questions!)
:welcome:

Way back on thread #19 AmandaReckonwith posted a link to (her?)photobucket thread with many
pages of photo's and some video's. You have to page through
the screens to find what you may find helpful. Most links to newspapers and video's are only available now by subscribing. That is to say it is hit or miss on
finding news links that still are active.

If you can find newspaper or news videos links that work in previous threads.... that is the very best way to find information on your excellent questions.

Good luck sleuthing!


Hope link works.....
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ12

SmoothOperator
06-26-2012, 11:38 PM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..

MizStery
06-27-2012, 12:20 AM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very
specific and it
was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it
was all very very tragic and felt that
there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..


I have thanked Mr Noatak and yourself many times for the timelines you both have independently compiled.

Many thanks to you and your husbands co workers for their insights!

I just tonight was thinking how the searches and even Witney Duncan's frequent
tweets ceased...... after the phoned tip on Easter of 2011 ... (which rumor has it led to the) recovery of Holly's cell. I have always felt that something??? was
revealed that took the high profile abduction investigation in a different direction. This is only my thoughts and musings. MOO

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 12:26 AM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..

Wow! Thanks for sharing that Smooth Operator! If it were true it would explain why so much time elapsed, the scream, the flurry of phone calls, Karen's reaction, and the blood in the carport where she could have been put in a vehicle.

Mr. Noatak
06-27-2012, 02:57 AM
Wow! Thanks for sharing that Smooth Operator! If it were true it would explain why so much time elapsed, the scream, the flurry of phone calls, Karen's reaction, and the blood in the carport where she could have been put in a vehicle.

My opinions only, no facts here:

The theory of an accidental shooting is not impossible. But that hypothesis does not fully account for the timeline, or human nature. The neighbor man who heard the scream would probably also have reported a gunshot, presuming that the scream and gunshot would have to be close together in time.

With regards to human nature, if someone accidentally shot Holly and her relatives were aware of this, I do not think it would be possible for everyone involved to remain silent to this day. An accidental shooting is not even necessarily a crime. Someone would have come clean by now, if the matter was so legally trivial.

The poster who asked about who has taken a polygraph test is spot on. This question was asked by John Walsh on TV some time ago. I wish that America's Most Wanted would follow up and ask the local authorities- who has taken a polygraph?

Almondjoy
06-27-2012, 03:51 AM
Great questions and :wagon:

Welcome, Liberty's Way! You raise some good questions. I don't believe there are too many people who know very much about this case, other than the person or persons responsible for the disappearance of HB. Most of your questions could only be answered at this point by law enforcement, and they have been very tight-lipped. To my knowledge, they have not let out much at all about any of the details of what evidence has been recovered. We have only been told some things by the family (like the fact that the blood was indeed Holly's, according to her dad) I did hear somewhere, if I recall correctly, that there was not enough blood to necessarily indicate a mortal wound. There was enough blood that it was noted, so I am assuming it was at least a little more than a couple of drops. But as far as I know, we have no record of exactly how much blood was there.

Regarding question two, there are mixed reports that there was a restraining order that Holly had against a previous boyfriend. Since LE nor the family is talking, nothing much is being confirmed or denied. Reports also came out that she had broken up with her most current boyfriend 3 days prior to the disappearance. However, since, to my knowledge, the family has not commented on this, I don't feel it is useful to speculate. Law enforcement said shortly after HB's disappearance that they felt the abductor was someone familiar with the area, because they would have had to know the paths through the backwoods to be able to escape undetected.

There has been a lot of criticism about how long it took to get the crime scene secured, since lots of people heard Holly was missing and showed up at the house to help look. It also was a while, I believe, before anyone launched off into the woods to look for Holly. I believe that the first thing that should have been done was to get a search crew started into the woods, preferably with dogs. To let someone get such a head start on LE is, IMHO, unpardonable.

I hope that if the family or close friends are still monitoring these discussions that you would reconsider your silence and think about putting your whole story out there. If the family has nothing to hide, then what harm could come from putting the facts out there? Perhaps someone would remember something that could crack the case and help bring Holly home.

I want to comment on the theory that maybe there was some kind of accident, like a hunting accident, and Holly was mortally wounded and then removed by someone to cover the accident. I just don't see that. Most people know that if there is an accident, especially involving people that are highly esteemed in the community, the person responsible is not criminally charged. I don't think this family would have gone to such lengths to cover something that was obviously an accident.

The scientific principle called "Occam's razor" reasons that if you have two or more theories that explain observed facts, you should go with the simplest of the theories, until you have more evidence which changes the facts. In this case, the simplest explanation seems to be that someone, not a member of the family, was lying in wait for Holly on the morning she disappeared. He waited for her to exit the house, and he likely surprised her, causing her to drop her soda that she was carrying. He removed her so quickly from the scene that she did not have time to drop her phone, purse, lunch or books. All those apparently went with her into the woods. I don't think he expected her to scream as loudly as she did, and maybe it was at that point that he caused her to crouch or sit down to hide from the neighbor across the way who was getting into his car to leave for work about that time. (I have no idea if the man who heard Holly scream had a visual on the back of her property.) Perhaps this was the exact moment the brother looked out the window and saw Holly and her abductor crouching or sitting on the ground. As soon as the coast was clear, the man stood Holly up and walked her into the woods, where, perhaps, some ATV or the like was waiting to take them out to a waiting vehicle parked in a hidden place. I don't think the perp expected Clint to be home. I think he thought Holly was the last one out that morning, and I don't think he would have taken a chance on abducting her if he thought her brother was inside watching his actions from the kitchen.

One other thing that deserves mention. Why didn't the guy just force Holly into her own car and force her to drive wherever he wanted to go? If he was someone scary enough, she probably would have complied. Or, he could have bound her, put her in the car, and driven her car away himself. The fact that he did not use her vehicle tells me that he had his own mode of transportation and a destination in mind that would not have been a good place to park Holly's car, as it would have drawn attention to him.

According to all reports, this family had a stellar reputation in the community. There is no evidence to suggest there was any friction in the home. The simplest explanation is that this is the work of a stalker, either known to Holly or a complete stranger--but someone who wanted her for his own reasons. Until more evidence is revealed, if it ever is, complicated, outlandish theories don't hold a lot of water.

All these are my own humble opinions, thoughts, and musings, which are no more right or wrong than the theories of others.

Mysterylover
06-27-2012, 08:50 AM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..

SmoothOperator,
Interesting theory.
I agree, K. acted as though something terrible had happened to Holly.
I do not feel IF it was a shooting accident, someone would hide Holly's body instead of taking her to the hospital.
Now, I can see them Hiding the body IF the body could show the shooting/injuries was possibly close-up with other bodily injuries.

Mysterylover
06-27-2012, 09:13 AM
My opinions only, no facts here:

The theory of an accidental shooting is not impossible. But that hypothesis does not fully account for the timeline, or human nature. The neighbor man who heard the scream would probably also have reported a gunshot, presuming that the scream and gunshot would have to be close together in time.

With regards to human nature, if someone accidentally shot Holly and her relatives were aware of this,
I do not think it would be possible for everyone involved to remain silent to this day.
An accidental shooting is not even necessarily a crime.
Someone would have come clean by now, if the matter was so legally trivial.

The poster who asked about who has taken a polygraph test is spot on. This question was asked by John Walsh on TV some time ago. I wish that America's Most Wanted would follow up and ask the local authorities- who has taken a polygraph?

Mr. Novak, I agree, Accidents are not crimes...so why the cover up?
The planting of evidence came across to me as plainly immature.

I read the neighbor heard screaming, plural. Someone was alive to be screaming.
What we don't know is, was the screaming BEFORE or AFTER the 911 call at 7:27 am.
Who was screaming? Maybe Holly and maybe not...could it have been K.?

Who made the 911 call on who's phone and why.
Had 'something' already happened?
or was the 911 caller scared/upset about something/someone on the B. property before 7:27 am?

Was anyone with Holly before Karen left that morning?
LE said "things are not what they seem'.
IMO, the ever changing stories, and overlapping time lines have always been full of holes are totally BS.
So why all the stories @abduction, home invasion, fundraisers IF Holly was shot by accident??
With all the bull we've been fed, Can't buy it....jmo

TobyWong*
06-27-2012, 09:20 AM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..


My only theory all along. Specifically dad, boyfriend, boyfriends dad, & brother.jmo. a single shot to the head would produce that quick blood spot. If it was a clear head shot they could determine quickly especially being hunters if she was alive or not. Imo it was a decision made in haste & it was qucikly determined to be made into something easier for all involved to handle. At the time. I also think this can account for the flurry of calls and the weird run around mom gave about her phone being in her classroom so the secretary (iirc) had to Give message. Imo mom was trying to make it seem like she had been at school longer than she really was. This is jmo. I think in the panic it seemed like it would b easier on all involved if holly were abducted than shot down in a hunting accident. Questions & possible trial. The humility. Imo

~n/t~
06-27-2012, 09:37 AM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..


That was my theory all along and I don't live anywhere close to TN. To me, that makes the most sense in light of everything about this case.

I hope and pray if this is true that something will be done.

~n/t~
06-27-2012, 10:58 AM
My opinions only, no facts here:

The theory of an accidental shooting is not impossible. But that hypothesis does not fully account for the timeline, or human nature. The neighbor man who heard the scream would probably also have reported a gunshot, presuming that the scream and gunshot would have to be close together in time.

With regards to human nature, if someone accidentally shot Holly and her relatives were aware of this, I do not think it would be possible for everyone involved to remain silent to this day. An accidental shooting is not even necessarily a crime. Someone would have come clean by now, if the matter was so legally trivial.

The poster who asked about who has taken a polygraph test is spot on. This question was asked by John Walsh on TV some time ago. I wish that America's Most Wanted would follow up and ask the local authorities- who has taken a polygraph?

How do we know "the scream" was Holly? The neighbour heard a scream coming from the Bobo home. What if the "accident" occurred way before 8 am?

IMO, if that is what happened, a cover up took place. Nobody was supposed to know the blood was Holly's and that was a slip by dad on one of the talk shows who was immediately replaced by the pastor as soon as that was revealed on air.

I think churches or places of worship should be looked at, imo. IMO, Holly is buried there.:moo:

~n/t~
06-27-2012, 11:03 AM
fwiw....my theory was posted in the "basement".

Onyx
06-27-2012, 11:58 AM
What exactly is the "basement"? Could someone please explain this to me? TIA.

I really can't go along with the theory that Holly was accidentally shot by family, and they all know it. If they had Holly's body, I believe the family would have wanted a big funeral for her. I just can't believe that EVERYTHING the family has said and done from the beginning is one huge lie, and it would be if this theory was correct.

TobyWong*
06-27-2012, 03:09 PM
What exactly is the "basement"? Could someone please explain this to me? TIA.

I really can't go along with the theory that Holly was accidentally shot by family, and they all know it. If they had Holly's body, I believe the family would have wanted a big funeral for her. I just can't believe that EVERYTHING the family has said and done from the beginning is one huge lie, and it would be if this theory was correct.

Imo. I believe that the call to cover it up was made by someone in charge and close to her. I believe to save themseles or close loved one/close hunting buddy the horror of saying she was accidently killed because they thought she was a turkey or hunting that close to the house. Maybe the cover up was to save the mom the heart ache of losing her daughter & possibly a close family member who was goofing not paying close attention. Who might have to go thru involuntary manslaughter charges.

I think the basement is at the bottom of the forum. Members only so you can open up discusion a little more. Iirc. But it takes me forever to get thru to missing persons much less trials or to the basment.

~n/t~
06-27-2012, 03:13 PM
What exactly is the "basement"? Could someone please explain this to me? TIA.

I really can't go along with the theory that Holly was accidentally shot by family, and they all know it. If they had Holly's body, I believe the family would have wanted a big funeral for her. I just can't believe that EVERYTHING the family has said and done from the beginning is one huge lie, and it would be if this theory was correct.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136204&page=6


You can't post anything from there up here...fyi

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 04:42 PM
I agree with Mr. Noatak that the accidental shooting does not coincide with each of our very detailed timeline of that mornings events.. but I also agree with those that state that the timeline of events are not necessarily at all what they appear to be.. meaning we've all time after time in scouring over the timeline have agreed that the events of that morning cannot be as they are stated to be for the truth is not at all seen in the timeline imo..there IMO has always been deception throughout much of what we know about the events of that morning(not stating nefarious motive for deception as honestly I'm baffled by the events as we're told they are to be) ..

This is obviously nothing but a rumor and I made certain to preface and disclaimer it as such.. nonetheless IMO there are definite aspects of the possibility that make alot of sense IMO.. does it clear everything up and make everything fit perfectly? ..no.. i don't know that anything will ever make sense with the information that we have in this case.. mainly due to the fact that regardless of what happened that morning(accidental death, abduction, homicide) IMO the information that we have been told is largely inaccurate and not the truth.. i don't know why and again I fear we will never know the truth..

It was these three men's opinion that Holly's body will never be found.. never.. unless someone were for some reason to decide to tell the truth of what happened that day..

Anyhow I'm by no means stating anything as fact and I am doing nothing but relaying the information that was stated by these 3 locals.. take it fwiw and DO NOT take it that I am personally claiming this information to be facts of the case.. i made very very clear what, where, who, how this information came to be.. if you find it inaccurate, impossible BS then disregard and move along.. I know that most appreciate it for exactly what its worth and are of the intelligence to decide what weight they should so choose to place on the information..

:heartbeat:
Smooth

Telicity
06-27-2012, 05:16 PM
Well the timeline doesn't make any sense, to begin with. So things not lining up with it are pretty much what you'd have to expect...

That's been my theory since the beginning as well (well not the IMMEDIATE beginning of course), although we used to have to be a lot more vague about it in discussion. In the beginning, we really weren't even allowed to question certain things, because it was targetting the family.

The only thing that supports this being a kidnapping is one witness testimony. One that has never made any sense, raises more questions than it answers. Take away the witness testimony and you have everything pretty much fall into place, with the exception of there being time to hide the body. However it is MOO that since the timeline can't really be trusted, time for that certainly could have been there.

It explains the mother breaking down on the phone when she got a call. It explains the neighbour hearing a scream and Clint not. It even makes Drew's absence in all of this make sense (well it also could have been him that shot her - I'm willing to give that they both could've been around and known what happened).

The abduction has always needed too much stretching, supposing and explaining to make sense. You have to suspend disbelief, throw guesses in the air and hypothesise.

And if anyone in the family knows, I don't blame them. They lost a daughter, they don't want to lose the son as well.

Aaaand if things really went down as claimed, there would be no reason for all the deception. Why would there be?

cluciano63
06-27-2012, 05:52 PM
There doesn't seem to have been time for all of this to have happened...Holly spoke with at least one person outside of her family that morning...not long before this all started...so where is she and how did Clint get far away enough to "hide" her and be there when neighbor showed up?

I don't believe this is what occurred that day (the accidental shooting theory), but I do see how a community might come to think it had.

Oriah
06-27-2012, 05:59 PM
We're talking about one huge conspiracy theory here, folks. (??)
Why on earth would multiple levels of LE- local- state- federal- involve themselves with a charade like this???

Bumping for you again, Holly:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 06:15 PM
There doesn't seem to have been time for all of this to have happened...Holly spoke with at least one person outside of her family that morning...not long before this all started...so where is she and how did Clint get far away enough to "hide" her and be there when neighbor showed up?

I don't believe this is what occurred that day (the accidental shooting theory), but I do see how a community might come to think it had.
Yes it is that one person who can place Holly alive a little after 7 that morning.. its supposed she was shot while outside going to leave for school.. the ONLY THING THAT HAS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT TIME FRAME OF UNDER AN HOUR IS HOLLY'S BODY REMOVED FROM THE BOBO PROPERTY...THAT'S IT! ..of course her body would not have been concealed in that short amount of time as there was plenty of time for that at any given later time, by anyone in the family or otherwise..

So say the times in the timeline are accurate her last being spoken to.. her saying she was about to leave for school.. she does so and this is when the accidental shooting occurs.. it does fall into the timeline and again the only thing that had to be accomlished was Holly removed from the Bobo property.. as we know Dana arrived back atvthe Bobo property after LE had already arrived.. IMO he could have taken Holly's body anywhere and her buried at a later point..

I'm not saying its what happened but I do want to point out that aas far as the times and the persons unrelated to the family that can place Holly alive IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% POSSIBLE TO HAVE BEEN EASILY DONE WITHIN THE TTIMEFRAME WE HAVE...

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 06:27 PM
We're talking about one huge conspiracy theory here, folks. (??)
Why on earth would multiple levels of LE- local- state- federal- involve themselves with a charade like this???

Bumping for you again, Holly:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Charade? Conspiracy theory? I dont see anyone saying that.. atleast I know I'm not, nor were the men who stated this was their opinion.. nothing remotely similar..

I live and have lived here in Tennessee for 34 years the proof is in the pudding as fforTBI .. and their record for investigating and solving cases.. take at look at just the cases here on WS that are handled by our agencies.. nothing more is needed to be said it loudly and clearly speaks for itself.. have you not read the many posts in multi cases that people sure as hell hope they never get murdered or go missing in the state of TN? ..there's a reason that people feel that way and quite frankly LE conspiracy theories and multi level charades of concealment havent a damn thing to do with it.. ..JMO

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 07:20 PM
Yes it is that one person who can place Holly alive a little after 7 that morning.. its supposed she was shot while outside going to leave for school.. the ONLY THING THAT HAS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT TIME FRAME OF UNDER AN HOUR IS HOLLY'S BODY REMOVED FROM THE BOBO PROPERTY...THAT'S IT! ..of course her body would not have been concealed in that short amount of time as there was plenty of time for that at any given later time, by anyone in the family or otherwise..

So say the times in the timeline are accurate her last being spoken to.. her saying she was about to leave for school.. she does so and this is when the accidental shooting occurs.. it does fall into the timeline and again the only thing that had to be accomlished was Holly removed from the Bobo property.. as we know Dana arrived back atvthe Bobo property after LE had already arrived.. IMO he could have taken Holly's body anywhere and her buried at a later point..

I'm not saying its what happened but I do want to point out that aas far as the times and the persons unrelated to the family that can place Holly alive IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% POSSIBLE TO HAVE BEEN EASILY DONE WITHIN THE TTIMEFRAME WE HAVE...

I agree with everything you have said. And something just came to mind. Upon hearing something happened to Holly, Karen's first reaction was she fell to her knees crying. If she gets the news Holly was kidnapped, she must have been thinking how quickly she needed to get home to try to find her. Just me but my first response would have been to run to the car and drive home in a panic. Did she know it was too late to help Holly?

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 09:54 PM
As I recall, Karen left her phone at the school. I don't know about others, but the phone would have had to be pried from my fingers. That would be my lifeline to my daughter. Somebody else drove her home and IIRC, she used their phone to call 911. Who drove her home, I don't recall that part?

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 09:58 PM
I have a hard time coming to terms that the family covered up an accident. I guess I could think one member but not the whole family. It could also have been Drew.

If it was Clint, I could possibly see this and it fits with my theory that his observations as told to LE and the public were from a different vantage point than from inside the house.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Were we ever told where Clint parked his car that day? Was he in front or in back of the residence?

Oriah
06-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Charade? Conspiracy theory? I dont see anyone saying that.. atleast I know I'm not, nor were the men who stated this was their opinion.. nothing remotely similar..

I live and have lived here in Tennessee for 34 years the proof is in the pudding as fforTBI .. and their record for investigating and solving cases.. take at look at just the cases here on WS that are handled by our agencies.. nothing more is needed to be said it loudly and clearly speaks for itself.. have you not read the many posts in multi cases that people sure as hell hope they never get murdered or go missing in the state of TN? ..there's a reason that people feel that way and quite frankly LE conspiracy theories and multi level charades of concealment havent a damn thing to do with it.. ..JMO

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

What I meant was that I can't imagine how so many different factions of LE- on several different levels- would maintain a specific denotation of a very specific type of crime without evidence thereof. Hope that makes sense?

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 10:02 PM
As I recall, Karen left her phone at the school. I don't know about others, but the phone would have had to be pried from my fingers. That would be my lifeline to my daughter. Somebody else drove her home and IIRC, she used their phone to call 911.

Yes and that person that drove her home and whose phone she used is none other than one of your favorite peoples wives, whisp! ..Bromley, the original family spokesperson..

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 10:11 PM
Yes and that person that drove her home and whose phone she used is none other than one of your favorite peoples wives, whisp! ..Bromley, the original family spokesperson..

Oh, Lord-:what:ey!

Is she a teacher??

Didn't her sister teach at the same school?

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 10:17 PM
I have a hard time coming to terms that the family covered up an accident.I guess I could think one member but not the whole family. It could also have been Drew.

If it was Clint, I could possibly see this and it fits with my theory that his observations as told to LE and the public were from a different vantage point than from inside the house.
Above BBM.. I do as well..for me its the crutch that so many use in wanting to believe the best rather than the worst.. I never even consider it in a case a viable option.. i believe people so very often offer it up as a way to "explain" why it appears as tho a family has involvement yet still in their minds are innocent of any ill intention..

I just believe it next to never happens.. that there is in fact almost aalways a nefarious factor that is involved and it is the nefarious unknown factor that causes the decision to cover up the supposed "accidental death"..

So with that ssaid I too am with you on finding the theory of absolute accidental unintentional death covered up in this manner to be hard to come to terms with as absolutely accurate of what occurred here..

My points made above are strictly in theory and agree with plumeria and that it can and does easily fit into the definite marked times of the timeline.. beyond that I do not have a clue.. possible? ..yes...probable? ..no, atleast not as easily cut and dry as what it is in theory of the accidental death.. kwim?

nosyone
06-27-2012, 10:21 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to type from memory. As I understand it, Karen spoke to both Holly and Drew and maybe grandmother first, either on the way to school or when she first got to school. I am assuming that the snafu with hunting was straightened out. Then, I am unclear as to who called first, CB asking who was in the garage or the neighbor saying that her son had heard a scream from their property . Reportedly, she called CB to tell him that he should get the gun and follow Holly, she was in the clutches of someone dangerous, and dashed out being driven home by a friend who was a school employee, using the employee's phone to call 911 because she had left hers at school. In MOO, in this sequence of events, (as poorly as I've relayed them) I think that there was never a snafu with hunting and I truly believe that Karen knew the whole story before she ever left the school and probably relayed to LE what happened on the 911 tape and maybe that's why they haven't released it. WHY? I don't have a clue.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 10:26 PM
Yes and that person that drove her home and whose phone she used is none other than one of your favorite peoples wives, whisp! ..Bromley, the original family spokesperson..

ahh....:thud:

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 10:35 PM
1. Let's see ... Drew called Holly about being confronted. ( I say he was very, very angry)

2. Holly called Karen to tell her about Drew being confronted l( I say Holly must have considered the information from Drew VERY important to bother her mother at schoo)
Wouldn't Holly have been more concerned about going to school than this nonsense?

3. Karen claims to have just spoken to Drew when Clint called and told her that Drew was with Holly. She told him to get a gun and go after him. (did he?)

We have Holly, Drew, Karen and Clint all on the phone about the same time Holly disappears. The answers are withing these calls. This is just way too much coincidence for me.

I keep getting a nagging feeling the Drew was at the house in person and furious. I bet he and Holly got into some sort of argument over the hunting debacle.

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 10:38 PM
1. Let's see ... Drew called Holly about being confronted. ( I say he was very, very angry)

2. Holly called Karen to tell her about Drew being confronted l( I say Holly must have considered the information from Drew VERY important to bother her mother at schoo)
Wouldn't Holly have been more concerned about going to school than this nonsense?

3. Karen claims to have just spoken to Drew when Clint called and told her that Drew was with Holly. She told him to get a gun and go after him. (did he?)

We have Holly, Drew, Karen and Clint all on the phone about the same time Holly disappears. The answers are withing these calls. This is just way too much coincidence for me.

I keep getting a nagging feeling the Drew was at the house in person and furious. I bet he and Holly got into some sort of argument over the hunting debacle.

BBM Yep! And Dad seems to be out of the loop during this time.

Yoda
06-27-2012, 10:39 PM
Yes it is that one person who can place Holly alive a little after 7 that morning.. its supposed she was shot while outside going to leave for school.. the ONLY THING THAT HAS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT TIME FRAME OF UNDER AN HOUR IS HOLLY'S BODY REMOVED FROM THE BOBO PROPERTY...THAT'S IT! ..of course her body would not have been concealed in that short amount of time as there was plenty of time for that at any given later time, by anyone in the family or otherwise..

So say the times in the timeline are accurate her last being spoken to.. her saying she was about to leave for school.. she does so and this is when the accidental shooting occurs.. it does fall into the timeline and again the only thing that had to be accomlished was Holly removed from the Bobo property.. as we know Dana arrived back atvthe Bobo property after LE had already arrived.. IMO he could have taken Holly's body anywhere and her buried at a later point..

I'm not saying its what happened but I do want to point out that aas far as the times and the persons unrelated to the family that can place Holly alive IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% POSSIBLE TO HAVE BEEN EASILY DONE WITHIN THE TTIMEFRAME WE HAVE...

Thanks for the locals' thoughts. It is comforting to hear they still think about her. It is so quiet otherwise you get the feeling that everyone just went on their way and forgot about her.

Their thoughts on CB shooting her could make more sense if it wasn't accidental, if it was intentional. Then the coverup by family, and pastor's family, would make sense. The pastor's wife driving her instead of her sister, who also works there, iirc, could mean that the shooting happened before kb left for work and that she confided in her. Maybe the screaming was KB when she found out CB had shot HB. Although DB does not look like a man that would let his son hide from the consequences of his actions. I'm still leaning towards the angry relative scenario, although that too is just a theory built on a bread crumb. Moo

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 10:43 PM
Yes and that person that drove her home and whose phone she used is none other than one of your favorite peoples wives, whisp! ..Bromley, the original family spokesperson..

So the pastor's wife drove Karen home and the pastor becomes the family spokesperson? This just keeps getting better and better. We got cops who are pastors and pastors who are spokespeople. It seems like the hats are interchangeable in that town. Much is hidden.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 10:47 PM
BBM Yep! And Dad seems to be out of the loop during this time.

yep, I noticed that from the first day. I don't know what to make of it. Why would Clint call his mom instead of his dad? There had to be something going on with Clint, Holly and Karen at the time. All of this is within minutes of her disappearance. Was Dana involved? Did he take Holly somewhere? Well, somebody threw her schoolbooks and papers out there in Parsons. Karen, Holly and Dana both work out there, don't they?

Drew called Holly (says Karen) and Holly called Karen (says karen) concerning this incident and turkey hunting that morning. When Holly's phone was found, this investigation shut down, imo.

ETA: School books and paper thrown in Parsons not confirmed by LE.

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 10:48 PM
So the pastor's wife drove Karen home and the pastor becomes the family spokesperson? This just keeps getting better and better. We got cops who are pastors and pastors who are spokespeople. It seems like the hats are interchangeable in that town. Much is hidden.

Just like that episode of I Love Lucy called The Marriage License! "Mr. Willoughby serves as the town's fireman, gas station owner/attendant, hotel manager/front desk clerk, hotel bellboy, sheriff, and justice of the peace. Mrs. Willoughby is head of the license bureau and the mayor. "

shefner
06-27-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't believe this incident was accidental. I don't think Karen would receive a phone saying, "I accidentally shot Holly...now lie and say its an abduction." That makes no sense at all. But I can see how that theory might seem plausible considering what we know.

The problem is that we are only receiving a portion of the facts....and even some of those are questionable. Its like attempting to put a jigsaw puzzle together without a photo to follow...and without over half of the pieces. Almost impossible.

I hope LE knows a bit more than they are telling us. But there is no doubt that something significant happened on Easter when they supposedly located Holly's phone. That was certainly a turning point in this important case...because that was the day this case died.

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 10:51 PM
1. Let's see ... Drew called Holly about being confronted. ( I say he was very, very angry)

2. Holly called Karen to tell her about Drew being confronted l( I say Holly must have considered the information from Drew VERY important to bother her mother at schoo)
Wouldn't Holly have been more concerned about going to school than this nonsense?

3. Karen claims to have just spoken to Drew when Clint called and told her that Drew was with Holly. She told him to get a gun and go after him. (did he?)

We have Holly, Drew, Karen and Clint all on the phone about the same time Holly disappears. The answers are withing these calls. This is just way too much coincidence for me.

I keep getting a nagging feeling the Drew was at the house in person and furious. I bet he and Holly got into some sort of argument over the hunting debacle.

BBM I thought this too...Needing to get to school to take a big test would Holly have the time to worry about Drew's hunting problem?

Just suppose Holly and Drew did break up a few days prior and because of this Drew wasn't allowed to hunt on the family's property. He got upset and confronted Holly. ?

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:02 PM
I have never been known to be a conspiracist. I have a hard time thinking there was with the family. Saying that, I have a difficult time with the separation of clergy and cops. Just looking at the pastor's case there in Darden and the dead father-of the-bride, it shows me how close-knit they are out there.

I have followed the Tara Grinstead Case in GA. It follows along the same lines as this one. Again, we were led to believe a total stranger showed up at her house and took her away. Again, very rural. No suspects, say LE. No resolution here either.

My suspicions lie with pastors being cops and spokespeople...this tips the scales when it is a Southern Bible Belt and entire communities are under their control. These people in control of the community, imo, would help out a family that needed help. Would they go so far as to cover up a crime if it were somebody they were fond of? I think so.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:11 PM
How come the places that "want to keep everything close to the vest" have a terrible record of solving crime?

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:26 PM
Dana did not see Holly that morning. He talked to her through a closed door and said he was leaving money for her lunch/gas on the counter. Karen says she made Holly breakfast and left for work. She said Holly was sitting at the dining room table when she left. Karen tells us she closed Clint's door before she left.

We really don't have a verified timeline on most of these calls.
1. Holly gets call from schoolmate. Holly states she is putting on shoes and leaving.
2. Holly gets call from Drew, according to Karen.
3. Holly calls Karen, according to Karen.
4. Clint sees shadows in garage (carport?)
5. Clint hears loud voices and isn't sure who it is.
6. Clint calls Karen to tell about voices....and to ask if Holly is supposed to be at school
7. ....elapsed time
8. Clint calls Karen or Karen calls Clint. Clint says Holly is with Drew.
9. Karen tells Clint she spoke with Drew and it isn't him. She tells Clint to get his gun
10. neighbor hears scream and tells his mother.
11. the mother of the person who heard scream calls Karen
12. Karen becomes hysterical, leaves her phone, and Bromley's wife drives her home.
13. Karen calls 911 from the Bromley phone on the way home.

We need to hear the 911 calls to hear what was said regarding Clint and Karen. They are being held from the public. Why? Who are they protecting? A stranger perp? There is something about the phone calls that LE don't want out there

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:33 PM
It appears there was an argument with someone. There was blood. Holly is missing. I wish we knew more about the blood. If it was a puddle, that is a good clue that a probable serious wound happened. She was clothed so if it was a puddle, either the wound came from an area of her body that wasn't clothed or it was so serious that is poured through clothing. Even a small puddle is telling. I suspect there was more blood than just one puddle. There had to be traces elsewhere...imo.

Under no circumstances, do I see her carrying her belongings and walking into the woods with a stranger who just harmed her. Since I don't believe she did, I doubt Clint's story.

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 11:47 PM
Here's my old timeline
4:30am*Holly awoke to study for an exam @8am. She studied in her room, alone, on her bed, and with the door shut..(time verified only via Holly's telling her mom later that morning)

5:30am*Dana stops at Holly's bedroom door and speaks to Holly thru her closed door asking did she need any money. She replies yes and he leaves it for her on kitchen counter.

5:35am*Dana leaves for work.

5:35am*Karen awoke and went into Holly's room to speak with her. Holly was studying on her bed.

Just shy of 7:00am*Holly is now studying at the kitchen table. Karen packs Holly's lunch and puts her breakfast in the microwave.

7:00am*Karen leaves to go to work(26 min travel time to work)

7:00am*Hannah calls Holly from her home landline on Holly's cell.. Holly indicates she is going to eat her breakfast and put her shoes on to leave.

Almost 7:30am*Holly's at the kitchen table studying when she receives a call from Drew. He proceeds to tell her of the cousin not recognizing him and wasn't giving permission for he and his dad to hunt on her grandma's 60acres located across the county.

7:30-7:35am*A flurry of calls take place between Holly, Drew, and Karen discussing the incident of Drew's not being recognized to hunt grandma's property.

7:35am*Karen speaks to Holly for the last time via cell phone.<Noted that Clint was still in bed asleep.>.

7:40am*James Barnes(neighbor to the south)Hears a scream from the Bobo's house. He alerts his mom(who lived there as well) and then left for work.

Around 7:40am*Cathy Wise(James' mom) calls Karen at school amd leaves her a msg in the office.

7:45am*Karen receives the neighbor's msg while in the school cafeteria.

7:50am*Clint is awakened by the dog barking. He looks out the window and sees no unfamiliar vehicles, but does see Holly's car. This prompts him to call mom as he'd already looked around and knew Holly was not in the home. He says his call was to ask if Holly had received a ride to school or did not have school that day. Mom's phone is in her classroom so he gets no answer.

At some point AFTER 7:50am* mom after receiving neighbor's msg she uses library phone to call home. Clint tells mom that Holly's car is still home. Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911(routed to Henderson Co)

7:50am*After the call Clint looks out the kitchen window and sees his sister and who he believed to be Drew casually walking towards the woods. This prompts him to call Holly's cell. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail. He then calls Drew's phone.. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail.<Noted that this assures Clint that Holly/Drew were indeed together with neither answering their cell phone.>.

7:55am*Karen again calls home with Clint relaying he'd just seen Holly/Drew walking towards the woods. Mom immediately tells Clint that is NOT DREW.call 911.Mom then tells Clint to get a gun and go after the man! Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911 a second time.*<Noted that at this time mom still HAD NOT told Clint that Drew had been on the other side of the county hunting.. THO THAT WAS MUCH EARLIER BUT FACT WAS CLINT STATED AT THAT TIME HE STILL BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW.

8:00am*Clint with loaded gun leaves out the backdoor of the residence, walks thru the open garage attached to the house. He sees a puddle of blood near Holly's car. *<Noted that even at this point Clint was still NOT alarmed, still believed it was Drew, and the blood was from a turkey(tho clearly no turkey in site)>.

About 8:00am*Clint walked towards the woods when Cathy Wise pulls up the driveway( James who heard the scream's mother)*<Noted that the school secretary told Cathy to go to the Bobo home to check> Cathy proceeds to tell Clint about the screams she had heard just some 15-20mins prior.[I personally noted that it does state that "she" heard the scream(s), but could just be the author's choice in words and not meaning it that "she" actually heard the scream(s)] *<Noted it is at this point that Clint becomes alarmed for the first time> .

About 8:00am*Clint calls 911 at the same time as he heard the engines rev of the quickly approaching patrol cars onto their Swan Johnson Rd. *<Noted that Clint states that the first officers were on the scene IN LESS THAN 10 mins from the time that he saw his sister/male walking towards the woods>

8:00am*Drew is at his job in Parsons

8:00am-ish*Mom arrives home with Terrie Bromley from school.

8:30am*Dana arrives back home.

SmoothOperator
06-27-2012, 11:54 PM
So it wwas 7am that Hannah, the last person other than family that can attest to her being alive.. i was thinking closer to 7:30 or after.. but 7am leaves an entire hour prior to LE.. still sounds crazy that it was an accidental shooting IMO.. given the timeline.. could it fit? ..yea.. but believable IMO? ..no.. i don't know what the hell happened but IMO its not anything as what we're being told.. jmo

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:56 PM
Thanks Smooth.

According to this, that would mean KB arrived at the school @ 0730 and Immediately got the call (since she told us it takes 26 min) and left again...arriving home by 0800. That means she wasn't at school, but maybe, x5 min @ best.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:57 PM
Who confirmed Drew being at work by 0800?

I was curious as to why he was hunting clear across the county...and not on the Bobo property.

Whisperer
06-27-2012, 11:58 PM
So Clint was going to the woods when the neighbor pulled in the driveway. He stopped his pursuit with gun in hand and walked to the front of the house to see neighbor??

Plumeria5
06-27-2012, 11:59 PM
Does anyone know where Dana was working that morning?

SmoothOperator
06-28-2012, 12:02 AM
OK so here's a question I don't believe has been asked.. supposedly Drew calls Holly at 7:30 and is just now telling her about the confrontation and her family not allowing him to hunt on their land.. i say just now due to the fact that it was quite obviously hours prior when he arrived on the land to attempt to hunt.. as in more like a5am or prior due to the fact that he was scheduled to be at work at 8am along with the fact that hunters enter the woods prior to sunrise.. well prior fto sunrise rom my family and in laws thatvare avid hunters in two totally opposite corners of the U. S. (just saying its that way alotvplaces and not just TN..

Why just now calling at supposedly 730 to tell Holly he wasn't allowed on property? ..i believe that call likely ttook place waaay before 730

SmoothOperator
06-28-2012, 12:05 AM
Who confirmed Drew being at work by 0800?

I was curious as to why he was hunting clear across the county...and not on the Bobo property.

that info came from that JacksJacksonSun article that was not sourced by anyone other than family for the most part.. jmo

*sorry for typos damn tablet!

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:06 AM
So it wwas 7am that Hannah, the last person other than family that can attest to her being alive.. i was thinking closer to 7:30 or after.. but 7am leaves an entire hour prior to LE.. still sounds crazy that it was an accidental shooting IMO.. given the timeline.. could it fit? ..yea.. but believable IMO? ..no.. i don't know what the hell happened but IMO its not anything as what we're being told.. jmo

....Somebody took an injured Holly and placed her in a vehicle...then threw her cellphone away and possilby threw her books and papers in the town of Parsons, near her school and that Quarry.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:08 AM
that info came from that JacksJacksonSun article that was not sourced by anyone other than family for the most part.. jmo

*sorry for typos damn tablet!

So, Smooth, we don't even know if the 0700 call was accurate..:banghead:

The Bobo family wrote out this information and how do they know it is true if they don't have her cellphone to confirm.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:10 AM
OK so here's a question I don't believe has been asked.. supposedly Drew calls Holly at 7:30 and is just now telling her about the confrontation and her family not allowing him to hunt on their land.. i say just now due to the fact that it was quite obviously hours prior when he arrived on the land to attempt to hunt.. as in more like a5am or prior due to the fact that he was scheduled to be at work at 8am along with the fact that hunters enter the woods prior to sunrise.. well prior fto sunrise rom my family and in laws thatvare avid hunters in two totally opposite corners of the U. S. (just saying its that way alotvplaces and not just TN..

Why just now calling at supposedly 730 to tell Holly he wasn't allowed on property? ..i believe that call likely ttook place waaay before 730


He would have called WAY before that, Smooth. IIRC, Karen told Clint she had spoken to Drew earlier that morning. She didn't say a few minutes. Seems like there is a possibility that he drove to the house...angry perhaps?.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:19 AM
OK so here's a question I don't believe has been asked.. supposedly Drew calls Holly at 7:30 and is just now telling her about the confrontation and her family not allowing him to hunt on their land.. i say just now due to the fact that it was quite obviously hours prior when he arrived on the land to attempt to hunt.. as in more like a5am or prior due to the fact that he was scheduled to be at work at 8am along with the fact that hunters enter the woods prior to sunrise.. well prior fto sunrise rom my family and in laws thatvare avid hunters in two totally opposite corners of the U. S. (just saying its that way alotvplaces and not just TN..

Why just now calling at supposedly 730 to tell Holly he wasn't allowed on property? ..i believe that call likely ttook place waaay before 730

.....hmmm..you're good! Got me thinking. If he was already dressed and geared up for hunting, why wouldn't he leave the prop. where he was confronted and go to the Bobo property to hunt?

.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:24 AM
All Karen did was drive to work, stay a few minutes, she is devastated and unable to drive, leaving her phone and her car behind. Mrs. Bromley, the pastor's wife, is a witness...can't do too much better than that!

All we have is a guy, wearing TURKEY camo took Holly.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
According to the KISS theory..one could assume, DS got there and was angry, they got into an argument and things went downhill from there. The family cannot accept that DS would harm Holly and have made the pieces fit a stranger. That is the stripped down version and frankly makes more sense than any other.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 12:38 AM
Does anyone know where Dana was working that morning?

I don't. It appears that most of the work and businesses are in Parsons. Did he work for a landscaping or something like that? He could have been anywhere...couldn't he?

ETA: McKenzie Tree Service in Parsons.

SmoothOperator
06-28-2012, 12:52 AM
So, Smooth, we don't even know if the 0700 call was accurate..:banghead:

The Bobo family wrote out this information and how do they know it is true if they don't have her cellphone to confirm.
I'm not positive but I do believe Hannah was one of the only other people besides family that were quoted in that Jackson Sun article. Ill have to see if i can dig up that old article.. but its why I say I believe that to be the only person outside family that can say she was alive at 7..your points about it being Drew and that he came to the Bobo residence either to hunt or was angry due to be turned away at grandma's are IMO very valid.. and not to mention make perfect sense with his having literal dropped off the face of the earth..

SmoothOperator
06-28-2012, 12:59 AM
Found it
[ Right after Karen left, Holly spoke on the phone with Hannah Reece, her friend and fellow nursing student. Reece was the last of Holly's classmates to speak with her.

"I knew Holly before I started the nursing program, but at the start of the year she was just a nursing classmate," Reece said. "By April, she was like my best friend."

The morning Holly disappeared, Reece and Holly texted back and forth about their test that morning. Reece's cell phone signal was weak.

"So around seven o'clock, I called her on her cell phone from my house phone," she said.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120101/NEWS25/102200007/Final-hours-Holly-Family-friends-police-reconstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 02:46 AM
My, Clint quit both jobs. I wonder if he is working or in school yet.

Researching articles and it says Clint loaded his gun and went after them. He should have been able to get them.....BUT the neighbor pulled up in his driveway and they talked. Somebody tell me this make sense because it doesn't work for me. If the neighbor pulled up in his driveway which is in the front, why did he stop his pursuit of Holly and the perp in the back of the house?

LE was there within x10 min and they have an eye witness and CAN"T solve this crime? It appears that Clint never did go into those woods after Holly...

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 03:01 AM
Anyone know anything about this? It has Dana Bobo as principle owner.

http://www.manta.com/c/mtqc85p/bobo-s-timber-service-inc

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 03:11 AM
I recall there being specks of blood on the grass. LE tried to hush that up too. I always pictured that being in the front. Is the backyard grass covered also?

Why don't I have a clear picture of what Clint saw? This drives me crazy. Did LE process the inside of the home? I don't recall ever hearing anything about that.

We never got a view of the crime scene, if it was in the back....strange. Anyone recall seeing a close up of the carport/garage? I am still waiting to find out where Clint parked his car.

Plumeria5
06-28-2012, 03:11 AM
"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck.

Clint says he thought maybe they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. Are the Bobos accustomed to hunters, Drew or visitors parking in their woods?

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 03:14 AM
If there was splatter on the grass and a puddle near the car, we have a new situation here. Dollars to donuts, there is more blood.....where, is the question....

Plumeria5
06-28-2012, 03:18 AM
If there was splatter on the grass and a puddle near the car, we have a new situation here. Dollars to donuts, there is more blood.....where, is the question....

If a dog was brought in right away I think your question could have been answered.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 03:21 AM
"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck.

Clint says he thought maybe they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. Are the Bobos accustomed to hunters, Drew or visitors parking in their woods?

From all I know, it could be Pllumeria. He didn't seem concerned. Clint could have even parked in the woods. It's clear they don't want us to know much. A stranger would have to be insane to do this in daylight with Clint's car parked at the house.

I contend things are not what they seem. Till I am proven wrong, I say Clint was observing this from a different vantage point. Maybe we should reverse what he told us. They left the woods and walked to the carport...:banghead: Does anyone know what kind of car Clint drives?

If that car was in the woods and LE arrived within x10 min, this is just crazy. LE could have blocked Swan Johnson rd...immediately when they got the call. The getaway car had to have gone either N or S on Swan Johnson. Heck, Clint could have chased him, in my opinion. He knew there was a logging road in the woods. Did LE get prints from the tires?

Plumeria5
06-28-2012, 03:23 AM
I recall there being specks of blood on the grass. LE tried to hush that up too. I always pictured that being in the front. Is the backyard grass covered also?

Why don't I have a clear picture of what Clint saw? This drives me crazy. Did LE process the inside of the home? I don't recall ever hearing anything about that.

We never got a view of the crime scene, if it was in the back....strange. Anyone recall seeing a close up of the carport/garage? I am still waiting to find out where Clint parked his car.

On AMW they did show the backyard which included the attached carport as well as a detached carport. I would guess that Clint parked in the detached carport if Karen shared the closer one with Holly. Not sure if you can replay that episode or not. It gives a much better perspective of the layout.

Whisperer
06-28-2012, 03:28 AM
If a dog was brought in right away I think your question could have been answered.

Didn't Furhman say the dog stopped at the woods/treeline?

Plumeria5
06-28-2012, 03:36 AM
Didn't Furhman say the dog stopped at the woods/treeline?

I wasn't clear on whether a dog was brought in from the start or whether later on they brought one in. Yes, I think it was mentioned that the dog stopped and didn't pick up a scent in the woods. Puzzling.

Almondjoy
06-28-2012, 08:04 AM
From all I know, it could be Pllumeria. He didn't seem concerned. Clint could have even parked in the woods. It's clear they don't want us to know much. A stranger would have to be insane to do this in daylight with Clint's car parked at the house.

I contend things are not what they seem. Till I am proven wrong, I say Clint was observing this from a different vantage point. Maybe we should reverse what he told us. They left the woods and walked to the carport...:banghead: Does anyone know what kind of car Clint drives?

If that car was in the woods and LE arrived within x10 min, this is just crazy. LE could have blocked Swan Johnson rd...immediately when they got the call. The getaway car had to have gone either N or S on Swan Johnson. Heck, Clint could have chased him, in my opinion. He knew there was a logging road in the woods. Did LE get prints from the tires?

I was watching old clips last night to catch up on the case. There is an interview that Karen gives to what seems to be a local news lady. I can probably find the clip if anyone is interested, but I'm not clear on what links can be posted here. Anyway, in this clip, Karen walks the lady out through the back yard to show her where Holly was parked that day, and also to show her where Holly and the perp were supposedly seen by Clint entering the wooded area. First, Holly appears to have parked in the far away shed; Karen points to it and says, "Holly was parked out there by Clint's ...." And the tape cut off for a second, leaving out part of her sentence. But she did seem to indicate Holly walked all the way out to that "garage," and that was where the blood was found later.

Another interesting thing was the camera was pointed back at the house to show what a long way it was to where she was seen entering the woods, and Karen pointed out that Clint would have had a hard time seeing detail from that distance from the kitchen window. It was a short but interesting clip that I had not seen before!

believe09
06-28-2012, 11:18 AM
No victim bashing is a basic rule of WS. The Bobos are victims. Holly is clearly a victim. Why are they being constantly raked over the coals here? I dont get this. I really really dont. :(

believe09
06-28-2012, 11:26 AM
Just to remind everyone and especially those who are newer:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

http://www.fbi.gov/header_kidnapping.png

believe09
06-28-2012, 11:26 AM
(believe steps off of her soapbox now, lol.)

nursebeeme
06-28-2012, 01:26 PM
I really cannot believe I have to post the warning again about discussing/sleuthing the family! KNOCK IT OFF. Also, please refer to the link to the fbi poster for Holly that was already re-linked to upstream.:nurse:

TobyWong*
06-28-2012, 02:21 PM
Sorry sorry nursebee. I get excited to open up dialog sometimes. Some threads allow for that after a time. But I hear you.

wishuwerehere
06-28-2012, 04:37 PM
I wasn't clear on whether a dog was brought in from the start or whether later on they brought one in. Yes, I think it was mentioned that the dog stopped and didn't pick up a scent in the woods. Puzzling.

Woof! Grrrrr....

jmo

SmoothOperator
06-28-2012, 04:53 PM
Sorry for any problems I caused. I believe most know that is not at all my intention.. its very sad to me that this young woman's life has been erased and by a vast majority of the world(including some in her own community) its almost as if Holly Bobo never existed and she certainly is not discussed.. its like its the dirty secret that no one wants to talk about(and I am not speaking of us here but rather more local) .. there is literally NOTHING AT ALL, NOTHING and I was happy to share a tiny modicum of the information that was stated..

I don't know if this young woman will ever receive justice or even just the respect she more than deserves of it being known what happened to this young, full of life woman who had the world before her and had only just begun.. moo is she at the very least deserves to have the truth known of what and why her life is gone.. and that very simply has and is and always will be MY ONLY motive here for Holly Bobo..

Plumeria5
06-28-2012, 05:28 PM
Sorry for any problems I caused. I believe most know that is not at all my intention.. its very sad to me that this young woman's life has been erased and by a vast majority of the world(including some in her own community) its almost as if Holly Bobo never existed and she certainly is not discussed.. its like its the dirty secret that no one wants to talk about(and I am not speaking of us here but rather more local) .. there is literally NOTHING AT ALL, NOTHING and I was happy to share a tiny modicum of the information that was stated..

I don't know if this young woman will ever receive justice or even just the respect she more than deserves of it being known what happened to this young, full of life woman who had the world before her and had only just begun.. moo is she at the very least deserves to have the truth known of what and why her life is gone.. and that very simply has and is and always will be MY ONLY motive here for Holly Bobo..

:clap: I know your heart is in the right place. And I applaud your postings.

I think of the victims, often. When I am at the mall, they should be shopping. When I get my hair done, they should be having fun getting pampered too. Holidays they don't get to celebrate and milestones and special events, their wedding day, their honeymoon, their first child...and on and on. Sometimes I actually feel guilty that I am getting to enjoy all of these things and they aren't. Justice for Holly.

cluciano63
06-28-2012, 06:38 PM
The FBI has been involved in Holly's case for a long time. I feel confident they would have uncovered any kind of a cover-up, especially if they were getting "vibes" from the family. And why would Holly's mom be asking for help from President Obama, as she was last year, if in fact the whole thing was a cover-up?

This family basically quit their jobs and do what they can as a small family in an impossible situation to try to find Holly. They are evidently not great with media and may not know what more they can or should be doing.

I wish Marc K. or someone like him would contact them, even now, and see what he can do to drum up interest, support and even light a fire under LE. Not sure it is even possible, but anything to try to get Holly's case active.

CanManEh
06-29-2012, 01:09 AM
When did all this come out about her bf calling or a argument about hunting on the land driving to the woods neibhour with a gun perp looking like a cousin maybe all is a cover up . Im Lost

SmoothOperator
06-29-2012, 03:03 AM
When did all this come out about her bf calling or a argument about hunting on the land driving to the woods neibhour with a gun perp looking like a cousin maybe all is a cover up . Im Lost

Not sure what you mean by lost but its a detail that's been known from the beginning.. here it is below in my old timeline I created way back.. and below that is the detail quoted from Jackson sun article stating the approx time the calls were made..hope that helps clear it up..
Here's my old timeline
4:30am*Holly awoke to study for an exam @8am. She studied in her room, alone, on her bed, and with the door shut..(time verified only via Holly's telling her mom later that morning)

5:30am*Dana stops at Holly's bedroom door and speaks to Holly thru her closed door asking did she need any money. She replies yes and he leaves it for her on kitchen counter.

5:35am*Dana leaves for work.

5:35am*Karen awoke and went into Holly's room to speak with her. Holly was studying on her bed.

Just shy of 7:00am*Holly is now studying at the kitchen table. Karen packs Holly's lunch and puts her breakfast in the microwave.

7:00am*Karen leaves to go to work(26 min travel time to work)

7:00am*Hannah calls Holly from her home landline on Holly's cell.. Holly indicates she is going to eat her breakfast and put her shoes on to leave.

Almost 7:30am*Holly's at the kitchen table studying when she receives a call from Drew. He proceeds to tell her of the cousin not recognizing him and wasn't giving permission for he and his dad to hunt on her grandma's 60acres located across the county.

7:30-7:35am*A flurry of calls take place between Holly, Drew, and Karen discussing the incident of Drew's not being recognized to hunt grandma's property.

7:35am*Karen speaks to Holly for the last time via cell phone.<Noted that Clint was still in bed asleep.>.

7:40am*James Barnes(neighbor to the south)Hears a scream from the Bobo's house. He alerts his mom(who lived there as well) and then left for work.

Around 7:40am*Cathy Wise(James' mom) calls Karen at school amd leaves her a msg in the office.

7:45am*Karen receives the neighbor's msg while in the school cafeteria.

7:50am*Clint is awakened by the dog barking. He looks out the window and sees no unfamiliar vehicles, but does see Holly's car. This prompts him to call mom as he'd already looked around and knew Holly was not in the home. He says his call was to ask if Holly had received a ride to school or did not have school that day. Mom's phone is in her classroom so he gets no answer.

At some point AFTER 7:50am* mom after receiving neighbor's msg she uses library phone to call home. Clint tells mom that Holly's car is still home. Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911(routed to Henderson Co)

7:50am*After the call Clint looks out the kitchen window and sees his sister and who he believed to be Drew casually walking towards the woods. This prompts him to call Holly's cell. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail. He then calls Drew's phone.. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail.<Noted that this assures Clint that Holly/Drew were indeed together with neither answering their cell phone.>.

7:55am*Karen again calls home with Clint relaying he'd just seen Holly/Drew walking towards the woods. Mom immediately tells Clint that is NOT DREW.call 911.Mom then tells Clint to get a gun and go after the man! Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911 a second time.*<Noted that at this time mom still HAD NOT told Clint that Drew had been on the other side of the county hunting.. THO THAT WAS MUCH EARLIER BUT FACT WAS CLINT STATED AT THAT TIME HE STILL BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW.

8:00am*Clint with loaded gun leaves out the backdoor of the residence, walks thru the open garage attached to the house. He sees a puddle of blood near Holly's car. *<Noted that even at this point Clint was still NOT alarmed, still believed it was Drew, and the blood was from a turkey(tho clearly no turkey in site)>.

About 8:00am*Clint walked towards the woods when Cathy Wise pulls up the driveway( James who heard the scream's mother)*<Noted that the school secretary told Cathy to go to the Bobo home to check> Cathy proceeds to tell Clint about the screams she had heard just some 15-20mins prior.[I personally noted that it does state that "she" heard the scream(s), but could just be the author's choice in words and not meaning it that "she" actually heard the scream(s)] *<Noted it is at this point that Clint becomes alarmed for the first time> .

About 8:00am*Clint calls 911 at the same time as he heard the engines rev of the quickly approaching patrol cars onto their Swan Johnson Rd. *<Noted that Clint states that the first officers were on the scene IN LESS THAN 10 mins from the time that he saw his sister/male walking towards the woods>

8:00am*Drew is at his job in Parsons

8:00am-ish*Mom arrives home with Terrie Bromley from school.

8:30am*Dana arrives back home.
And heres Jackson sun quote and link:
Holly studied at the kitchen table for a few minutes, then got a call from her boyfriend, Drew Scott, who had been turkey hunting on the other side of Decatur County on Holly's grandmother's property. Since April 2, the opening day of turkey season, hunters from around the state had been entering the woods a half hour before daybreak.

One of Karen's relatives did not recognize Drew and his dad, and Drew explained to them that he was Holly's boyfriend and that Holly's grandmother, Karen's mother, had given him permission to hunt on her 60 acres on the south end of the county. Drew called Holly and told her what happened. That was just before 7:30 a.m., according to the family.

A flurry of phone calls followed between Holly, Drew and Karen about the confusion over Drew hunting on Karen's mother's property.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120101/NEWS25/102200007/Final-hours-Holly-Family-friends-police-reconstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

~n/t~
06-29-2012, 06:30 AM
Whatever happened to the Calabrese dude? Was he ever charged? The last time we heard about him was when LE raided his home and took his computer. Was anything found on his computer?

Whisperer
06-29-2012, 07:55 AM
I was watching old clips last night to catch up on the case. There is an interview that Karen gives to what seems to be a local news lady. I can probably find the clip if anyone is interested, but I'm not clear on what links can be posted here. Anyway, in this clip, Karen walks the lady out through the back yard to show her where Holly was parked that day, and also to show her where Holly and the perp were supposedly seen by Clint entering the wooded area. First, Holly appears to have parked in the far away shed; Karen points to it and says, "Holly was parked out there by Clint's ...." And the tape cut off for a second, leaving out part of her sentence. But she did seem to indicate Holly walked all the way out to that "garage," and that was where the blood was found later.

Another interesting thing was the camera was pointed back at the house to show what a long way it was to where she was seen entering the woods, and Karen pointed out that Clint would have had a hard time seeing detail from that distance from the kitchen window. It was a short but interesting clip that I had not seen before!

So according to this story, Holly doesnt even park her car near the house? Her and Clint choose to park on the opposite side of the yard, way across from the house.

I clearly recall saying, he was watching them in the garage attached to the house. This was on JVM. She asked him directly. Now, we are being told she wasn't near the house but out in that storage shed away from the house? :banghead:

Frankly, I am getting real tired of the ever changing story. If people want to accept this, that is their choice. If they feel the family has every right to stay inside their castle and not speak to the press, it is the public's choice to continue treating them as victims. Till I hear a factual story that is backed up by evidence and some information on the three of them passing a poly, I reserve my right to be skeptical of their stories.

Well, this is just dandy! Clint and Holly weren't near a driveway or in the carport attached to the house but across the yard in the stand alone shed. It is time to bring up the interview with JVM>

Whisperer
06-29-2012, 08:03 AM
Whatever happened to the Calabrese dude? Was he ever charged? The last time we heard about him was when LE raided his home and took his computer. Was anything found on his computer?

They went after him with all the power they had. He was trying to do his own investigation. Who knows what they happened to him? Let no stranger enter that area and try to investigate...My opinion.

Carla Lashelle
06-29-2012, 08:16 AM
seemingly nothing happened to that Tony character. Agents raided his house and IIRC some computers were seized but no one was ever arrested or charged with anything. IMHO the guy was a creeper inserting himself into the Holly Bobo case, but there is no evidence that has ever came up that he had ever even been in Darden. There is the slim possibility had had some general familiarity with Whitney Duncan's name due to some shady music industry ties. Perhaps thats what caught his attention when Holly went missing?

~n/t~
06-29-2012, 08:29 AM
seemingly nothing happened to that Tony character. Agents raided his house and IIRC some computers were seized but no one was ever arrested or charged with anything. IMHO the guy was a creeper inserting himself into the Holly Bobo case, but there is no evidence that has ever came up that he had ever even been in Darden. There is the slim possibility had had some general familiarity with Whitney Duncan's name due to some shady music industry ties. Perhaps thats what caught his attention when Holly went missing?

Yah it's too bad we'll never get to know what he discovered, if anything. I'd love to know what discoveries he made along the way. IMO, he wasn't looking at family but perhaps some of Holly's acquaintances (??)

This is the last article I could find.

The Channel 4 I-Team reached Calabrese at his home in East Liverpool, Ohio.

"You're a guy in Ohio who has all this interest in the case. I don't know if you can blame investigators for being suspicious about your interest in this case," said WSMV chief investigative reporter Jeremy Finley.

"I don't blame them at all for that. What I do blame them for is wasting time," Calabrese said.

Calabrese said the TBI is just angry with him because he found information about Holly's disappearance and passed it along to Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam.

Calabrese admits he hasn't physically come to Tennessee to help in the search, and has done all his work by computer.

He also said he has never run a search and rescue team before Holly's disappearance.

"Are you misleading people with this search and rescue team?" Finley asked.

"Several times, I have stated, that we are not law enforcement," Calabrese said.

As for the complaints from the other Holly Bobo Facebook page creator, Calabrese said he doesn't post on those pages and stays away from them.

"The TBI has told you to stop interfering with this investigation. Are you gonna stop?" Finley asked.

"I told Karen Bobo I would do anything I could, like anybody else, trying to find her daughter to bring that girl home," Calabrese said.

Calabrese said his search and rescue team is made up of volunteers, many who have physically come to Darden to search.

Calabrese would not elaborate on what he said he's found out about Holly's disappearance.

Karen Bobo, Holly's mother, had no comment.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16464858/i-team-new-details-in-search-for-holly-bobo-case

~n/t~
06-29-2012, 08:36 AM
I don't like the ever changing stories either. I can understand a few details being added as one remembers something after the initial shock but not like the constant evolving tale that's being spun in this case.

I said it before. The only detail that's remained consistent was Clint's description of the perp. He thought it was Drew even up until the end when he said he thought it was Drew and Holly walking back to his vehicle with the turkey. He was so convinced it was Drew that he even called Drew's cell phone. No answer. It went to voice mail. So did Holly's. After 5 rings.

:moo:

Carla Lashelle
06-29-2012, 01:08 PM
Yeah but now its not Drew its the Cousin... so that changed too (somehow).

dejavoodoo64
06-29-2012, 02:29 PM
This can be taken for strictly what its worth.. i will preface it with disclaimers of jmo as well as RUMOR ALERT.. my having followed Holly's case since the beginning some may recall that I've stated that my hubby is a trainmaster for a RR here In Memphis.. his division he's in charge of runs all the way to Nashville and in between.. I've stated prior that many of the men on his various crews are from in/and around the Darden area where Holly is from.. early on I wanted him to ask them what they believed happened to Holly.. he laughed at me and said I'm not getting involved in your websleuthing.. lol..

Last night he said that one the local men brought up Holly Bobo and a pretty detailed convo ensued.. as I said I'm prefacing with jmo and all that jazz.. along with rumor alert.. this conversation took place with my husband and 3 local Darden men that work on my husbands RR crew.. they were very specific and it was their opinion that multiple locals had long since known what happened to Holly .. that Clint was hunting on their property that morning and that he accidentally shot Holly.. they were very specific about particular details and again state that many locals have long since known what happened ..

Take fwiw.. rumor.. just thought that I would share and state that these three men are family men and in no way whatsoever would have motive or gain from this.. in fact my husband said they said it was all very very tragic and felt that there was absolutely no intention whatsoever and a tragic accident that has now become something so very much more..

Again jmo and take it fwiw..

:what:Wow. Just wow. I know you said it was rumor and I will take it as that. The only question I have now is where is her body? Did Clint have someone haul her off and hide her or did he? I hope not. If it was an accident he wouldn't face prosecution. Or if he was charged it would go to grand jury to legally decide it was an accident or went forward. I don't know. I guess when something like that happens you won't think very clearly and know what to do. I've followed this so long I'm kinda speechless and doubt what I've typed makes any sense. It also casts a lot of doubt on the family who I was trying to trust until lately as it just didn't add up. JMO.:maddening:

dejavoodoo64
06-29-2012, 02:53 PM
How do we know "the scream" was Holly? The neighbour heard a scream coming from the Bobo home. What if the "accident" occurred way before 8 am?

IMO, if that is what happened, a cover up took place. Nobody was supposed to know the blood was Holly's and that was a slip by dad on one of the talk shows who was immediately replaced by the pastor as soon as that was revealed on air.

I think churches or places of worship should be looked at, imo. IMO, Holly is buried there.:moo:

Like a quiet paupers funeral? This whole rumor makes the most sense to me. Accident and panic. I can't tie the cell phone or whatever was found that Karen said she was relieved about though. Unless someone else shot her and took her and Clint saw it. Froze maybe? They don't know how badly she was wounded and just know shes gone. JMO I really have no idea at this time. Help somebody! Makes something fit here.

Carla Lashelle
06-29-2012, 02:57 PM
To me the rumor makes zero sense... Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc. Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO. Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.

dejavoodoo64
06-29-2012, 03:05 PM
There doesn't seem to have been time for all of this to have happened...Holly spoke with at least one person outside of her family that morning...not long before this all started...so where is she and how did Clint get far away enough to "hide" her and be there when neighbor showed up?

I don't believe this is what occurred that day (the accidental shooting theory), but I do see how a community might come to think it had.

Well I kinda hate to say it, but do we know for sure her father was a work that morning? The same goes for the boyfriend, cousin or friend that may of been hunting close by. Someone else may have taken her body with Clint left at the house to call Mom, 911 and be there for the neighbor. JMO

wishuwerehere
06-29-2012, 03:40 PM
To me the rumor makes zero sense... Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc. Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO. Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.

I don’t believe the whole Bobo family is engaged in a cover-up based on an accident.

BBM - I would like to point out that the scene of the crime was not cleaned up, i.e. the blood and coke can. There may have been more evidence, but with the onslaught of people arriving at the Bobo house shortly after Holly disappeared, who knows what evidence was trampled on and/or destroyed?

IMO, whoever the perp is, he doesn't seem to be concerned with what is left behind, or found, as long as it is not Holly. It almost seems as though there was a purposeful trail left by the perp - Holly's blood, she was seen being led to the woods, then her lunchbag was found, and cell phone.

jmo

~n/t~
06-29-2012, 05:19 PM
Yeah but now its not Drew its the Cousin... so that changed too (somehow).

Right. Now, I don't know who changed that part. Some have said that John Walsh or AMW may have gotten it wrong. My feeling is they wouldn't just come up with "a cousin" if it didn't come from the only eye witness in this case. Therefore, I'm left scratching my head wondering why the story has changed once again when we all know up until the AMW episode, Clint always remained consistent with his theory that it was Drew. He was so convinced it was Drew that he even called his cellphone and then Holly's cell.

I have no idea why it was changed to cousin after a year.