View Full Version : trial thread: 5/9/2012
nursebeeme
05-09-2012, 09:41 AM
discuss here
artsy1
05-09-2012, 10:15 AM
Since yesterday's thread is locked, in response to Noor and the issue of the judge stopping the trial.
The trial wasn't stopped because of Tammi crying. One of the jurors ran out of the room, and the judge was asking her when the jury returned if she was alright - not Tammi.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 10:38 AM
Posted by Saba on yesterday's trial thread:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Tammi-S...150646485.html
Tammi Smith's sister attempted to murder baby
I wonder if TPS's family "leaked" that info to AZ Family (since Laurie Merrill has been in court covering the trial) to get the mental history in the Smith family out there since the judge didn't give TPS a directed verdict in the case.
Wonder if someone is worried that she'll be found guilty, and plan to use witnesses to show psych issues - especially since TPS herself wrote on a blog a long time ago that an ex-hubby and a doctor conspired to force psych drugs down her to combat (allegedly) phony mental illness.
ETA: that blog was where she was touting a book she was writing about her life, and how that particular ex was trying to control her with medication.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Since yesterday's thread is locked, in response to Noor and the issue of the judge stopping the trial.
The trial wasn't stopped because of Tammi crying. One of the jurors ran out of the room, and the judge was asking her when the jury returned if she was alright - not Tammi.
You're right about the juror running out of the room but the judge also did ask Tammi if she was alright. He said You doing OK Ms. Smith? Or something like that.
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 11:40 AM
Good Morning everyone.
I finally have a day when I can follow the trial.
I read on the twitter roll from azfamily this morning while reading the article about Tammi's sister that Tammi's husband will be taking the stand. Does anyone know if that's correct? Or was that yesterday?
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Tammi-Smiths-Biological-Sister-Attempted-Murder-of-Baby-150646485.html
artsy1
05-09-2012, 11:46 AM
Good Morning everyone.
I finally have a day when I can follow the trial.
I read on the twitter roll from azfamily this morning while reading the article about Tammi's sister that Tammi's husband will be taking the stand. Does anyone know if that's correct? Or was that yesterday?
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Tammi-Smiths-Biological-Sister-Attempted-Murder-of-Baby-150646485.html
Jack will be first up this morning.
Dave AHFB
05-09-2012, 11:51 AM
He is 1st up today, followed by TS
strawberry
05-09-2012, 11:52 AM
Man, I was hoping Steve Powell started at 9 but he doesn't start til 10. Grr. Hoping they can get a live stream for that one as well.
Jack is going to get on the stand and plead the 5th, I just have a bad feeling....
gitana1
05-09-2012, 12:33 PM
Anyone have a link to the trial feed? I can watch for a bit.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 12:48 PM
Good morning peoples.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 01:00 PM
Anyone have a link to the trial feed? I can watch for a bit.
Its not up yet but this is the link I use.
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html
artsy1
05-09-2012, 01:01 PM
Here's az family, where I've been watching
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html
Since yesterday's thread is locked, in response to Noor and the issue of the judge stopping the trial.
The trial wasn't stopped because of Tammi crying. One of the jurors ran out of the room, and the judge was asking her when the jury returned if she was alright - not Tammi.
Yes, you're correct, the way I wrote that came across the wrong way.
sorry.
Marigold
05-09-2012, 01:04 PM
Once again, I am unable to stream anything from the internet, so play-by-plays are greatly appreciated. Plus, I will give brownies to anyone posting screen shots. :)
http://live.cnn.com/
Here's an other link, if you scroll down a little you can see the trial will start at 1:30 pm (EST).
cnn always works good for me, the only thing they sometimes forget to turn the sound on during the first few minutes, other than that it's good, sound and all.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:18 PM
Well, the folks at InSession are all salivating over what will happen today. They have Jeff Guardiere (sp?), some sort of shrink on again. What will Jack say on cross? What will Tammi say? Will they come across all smoochy-coochy (my term) as they did with THE KISS yesterday? Mike Brooks brought up my favorite part of the anticipation... JURY QUESTIONS!
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:31 PM
Thank goodness for tabbed browshing. One for Tammi, one for Steve Powell
Thank goodness for tabbed browshing. One for Tammi, one for Steve Powell
Speaking of Steve, does anyone get the feeling he's going to walk out with a slap on the wrist??? Anyone besides me???
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:34 PM
Speaking of Steve, does anyone get the feeling he's going to walk out with a slap on the wrist??? Anyone besides me???
This judge makes me nervous about that, yes. He already threw out the child porn charges.
momtective
05-09-2012, 01:35 PM
Posted by Saba on yesterday's trial thread:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Tammi-S...150646485.html
Tammi Smith's sister attempted to murder baby
I wonder if TPS's family "leaked" that info to AZ Family (since Laurie Merrill has been in court covering the trial) to get the mental history in the Smith family out there since the judge didn't give TPS a directed verdict in the case.
Wonder if someone is worried that she'll be found guilty, and plan to use witnesses to show psych issues - especially since TPS herself wrote on a blog a long time ago that an ex-hubby and a doctor conspired to force psych drugs down her to combat (allegedly) phony mental illness.
ETA: that blog was where she was touting a book she was writing about her life, and how that particular ex was trying to control her with medication.
Interesting how this news has been known for over 2 years and it's just now being released...just when the rule 20 could be reconsidered. :banghead:
Poor Gabriel, he didn't stand a chance with these two women.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:35 PM
Any live links yet?
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:36 PM
Speaking of Steve, does anyone get the feeling he's going to walk out with a slap on the wrist??? Anyone besides me???
I know what your saying and I certainly hope they can throw the whole book at them.
Back to topic.. watching to see Tammi's next outfit.
InSession just showed Tammi and Jack walking to the courthouse.
She's wearing the same lovely top she wore yesterday.
Maybe she was thinking she was going to take the stand yesterday.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:36 PM
Interesting how this news has been known for over 2 years and it's just now being released...just when the rule 20 could be reconsidered. :banghead:
Poor Gabriel, he didn't stand a chance with these two women.
:eek: What's rule 20?
momtective
05-09-2012, 01:37 PM
If what I just saw on In Session is footage from today, Tammi's wearing the same outfit she wore yesterday.
Any live links yet?
They're still just showing the seal..................won't be long!
I know what your saying and I certainly hope they can throw the whole book at them.
Back to topic.. watching to see Tammi's next outfit.
I'm sure it will be special...Heavy on religious jewelry....
here we go, Jack on the stand
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:39 PM
And... we're live! I saw the same outfit. Must be her fave... for some unknown reason.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:39 PM
Interesting how this news has been known for over 2 years and it's just now being released...just when the rule 20 could be reconsidered. :banghead:
Poor Gabriel, he didn't stand a chance with these two women.
That link doesn't work anymore. I really want to read it!
Jack looks thin.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Ugh my wonderful wife. Blech
Melanie
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Any live links yet?
Jack is taking the stand right now
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CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
No, not same outfit! Must be a re-run. Watch how often Jack looks over to testify directly to the jury.
No I was wrong, now Tammi is wearing a white top.
That was weird because InSession showed her walking with Jack in the same outfit as yesterday.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 01:45 PM
Dude is weird looking. He reminds me of the I-refuse-to-age kind that gets face lifts and wears wigs.
Melanie
05-09-2012, 01:46 PM
ahhh...he's talking about the kids she threw away.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:46 PM
Tammi's Testimony Togs
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii103/ritanita/Misc%20Crimes/Untitled-1.jpg
strawberry
05-09-2012, 01:48 PM
Oh I missed him talking about her first kids! Coworkers comin in!
Troubled
05-09-2012, 01:50 PM
He is talking so slowly. I know they told him to speak slowly for the court reporter but to me it sounds like he is trying to chose his words carefully.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 01:50 PM
WAIT! He looks like the guy in Columbo!!! :woohoo:
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 01:51 PM
ahhh...he's talking about the kids she threw away.
Dude. Wait. WHAT????
Really? They took Hanna away because her mother is an alcoholic.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 01:53 PM
Wow they have another child. Apparently JS daughter was pregnant again and they were able to get that baby as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/noorbe/Capture-2.png
dizzychick
05-09-2012, 01:54 PM
Good Lord ive lost count how many kids underage kids do they have? A brood LOL and they want gabriel too..geesh,,the one thing that crossed my mind was a tax write off!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 01:55 PM
Speaking of Steve, does anyone get the feeling he's going to walk out with a slap on the wrist??? Anyone besides me???
Yes.
I'm very surprised not to hear hearsay objections. The prosecution is really allowing them to paint a picture of normal adoptions, normal relationships between Tammi and her older kids and paint the father of Hannah as a deadbeat.
I would be objecting like mad.
I really, really hope the prosecution rebuts this testimony with the fathers of all the kids, and really shows that these adoptions were off the radar and would not be allowed normally, due to TS' criminal background.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 01:55 PM
I've never heard of Savannah! So, they have the "perfect family" now? Oh, this is since the case?
So, Tammi and Jack got married in 2004, 8 years ago.
Her youngest son is 15 now, she left her own son when he was only 7!
artsy1
05-09-2012, 01:56 PM
No I was wrong, now Tammi is wearing a white top.
That was weird because InSession showed her walking with Jack in the same outfit as yesterday.
In Session was showing Tammi and Jack leaving court yesterday with Tammi's attorneys. Tammi never shows up with the attorneys.
dizzychick
05-09-2012, 01:57 PM
So wanting a sibling means you go on the prowl for another kid. Not good i wouldnt have gone in that direction, just saying
momtective
05-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Wow they have another child. Apparently JS daughter was pregnant again and they were able to get that baby as well.
Yup, the baby was born about 9 months after Gabriel disappeared and Tammi got exactly what she wanted, a baby!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 01:58 PM
This guys is slick, IMO. Comes off as greasy to me. Jury will probably love him though.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 02:00 PM
This guys is slick, IMO. Comes off as greasy to me. Jury will probably love him though.
I'm going to wait for cross, Gitana. There have been a few good questions to follow up on.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 02:01 PM
What did he say about Tammi's other kids?
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:01 PM
Why is the prosecution allowing so much hearsay? Make the defense work! And leading questions! By allowing them to get away with so much, yes, it makes things go faster but it allows the defense to paint a rosy picture through this slick, used car salesman. They better step it up or she's gonna' walk.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 02:02 PM
I'm going to wait for cross, Gitana. There have been a few good questions to follow up on.
Yes that'll be the interesting part!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:04 PM
They would not be eligible for adoption via a normal agency due to Tammi's criminal history.
momtective
05-09-2012, 02:04 PM
This guys is slick, IMO. Comes off as greasy to me. Jury will probably love him though.
He's a performer, he played steel guitar with the band the Happy Goodman's back in the day. His first wife was Vickie Goodman, daughter of Howard Goodman and Vestal Goodman. Jack's daughter that keeps popping out the babies is the granddaughter of Howard & Vestal.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 02:04 PM
The prosecution may be letting the defense ask all their questions so they will open the door for their questions they may not be able to ask otherwise? (just my speculation)
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:04 PM
tammi's older sister was a surrogate? the younger sister was diagnosed with schizophrenia? ok . . . who's best interest was this in?
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:05 PM
This is horrible. It's hearsay and speculation since he was not there. He comes off much better than Tammi. Why doesn't the state force the defense to get this info out though Tammi?
What???
The girl (Raechel) at Jack in the Box never had seizures.....
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:07 PM
Again, hearsay, about what the attorney said to them about money!
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 02:07 PM
They weren't ok buying a baby but had no issues staling a baby!
strawberry
05-09-2012, 02:08 PM
There you go Gitana! Hearsay objection
ETA: Ooops I posted that in the Powell forum. Knew that would happen.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:09 PM
Again, hearsay about what EJ said to Tammi. And what Tammi said to EJ.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 02:09 PM
What???
The girl (Raechel) at Jack in the Box never had seizures.....
And it sounds like it was a Downs Syndrome baby? Rachel didn't mention that, did she? She also didn't mention anything about money.
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:09 PM
What???
The girl (Raechel) at Jack in the Box never had seizures.....
I must have missed something . . . not sure what you are referencing
dizzychick
05-09-2012, 02:10 PM
Does anyone know ball park what kind of tax write off you get for each kid? I recall a friend of mine who was a nurse but didnt make that much money one year and she had 2 boys and got back 9 thousand dollars and paid in almost nothing. i keep thinking this is one real incentive besides creating your own cult
What did he say about Tammi's other kids?
No much, just that he has 3 other kids, he had a little trouble remembering what their ages are, I believe he said they had contact with one daughter.
Other than that it was left up in the air, (where they are now we don't know).
Maybe the prosecution will ask Jack.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:10 PM
This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.
Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:11 PM
They "were just blessed with a beautiful new home" and Jack said "the more the merrier" when asked if they wanted to still adopt baby Gabriel . . . . (wow . . . God really does give them money I guess!)
artsy1
05-09-2012, 02:12 PM
Did Jack lie on the stand??? His real estate license expired in 2010 and has not been renewed but yet he is currently a realtor???
I must have missed something . . . not sure what you are referencing
Jack testified that Tammi told him that Rachel had "seizureque" behavior. I guess that was the excuse for Tammi talking to Rachel.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 02:13 PM
This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.
Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.
I suspect the Prosecution has cards up their sleeves that they want Jack to keep talking and catch him in.
Also, notice the stories that TPS allegedly told JS about how she met Rachel, etc. are so different from what TPS told Det. Ramirez.
momtective
05-09-2012, 02:13 PM
This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.
Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.
Indeed! Would someone in the Phoenix area please run over to the courthouse and tell the SA to get their shiza together!
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:14 PM
Tammi is a nurse but has felony convictions and lost custody of her own children . . . . how is that even congruent since she would be caring for vulnerable populations? Is she still a nurse or had some nurse's training in the past?
artsy1
05-09-2012, 02:15 PM
And it sounds like it was a Downs Syndrome baby? Rachel didn't mention that, did she? She also didn't mention anything about money.
Rachel said that one of her children had DS and that the first test on her unborn baby showed it might have DS, and that's why she asked Tammi to pay for a second test.
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 02:15 PM
Did Jack lie on the stand??? His real estate license expired in 2010 and has not been renewed but yet he is currently a realtor???
He may have let it expire in Az but is an active realtor in Tenn.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 02:15 PM
He implies that TS is a nurse. She has a "nursing backgrouind". What is she exactly (or was she) licensed as? Not a nurse.
This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.
Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.
I hope not.
Lets wait and see what the prosecution will do.......
artsy1
05-09-2012, 02:17 PM
He may have let it expire in Az but is an active realtor in Tenn.
Then why would he care what the current real estate market in AZ is like.... :waitasec:
Dave AHFB
05-09-2012, 02:19 PM
This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.
Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.
You may as well base it on the sky being blue.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 02:20 PM
He called EJ Rachel twice! He's having trouble keeping them straight.
dizzychick
05-09-2012, 02:20 PM
They "were just blessed with a beautiful new home" and Jack said "the more the merrier" when asked if they wanted to still adopt baby Gabriel . . . . (wow . . . God really does give them money I guess!)
Colon cleansing must pay good LOl or where does he get his money? How old is he too, btw, he aint bad looking..if I werent married...well..maybe minus the baby magnet behavior
leighmarker
05-09-2012, 02:21 PM
Jack sounds like he is reading from a script (good memory) lol
leighmarker
05-09-2012, 02:23 PM
I don't think a sane person would of continued to deal w/EJ after the first night with the cops showing up.
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 02:26 PM
Then why would he care what the current real estate market in AZ is like.... :waitasec:
I just looked up Jack's license info. He terminated his license on 4-30-2010.
Maybe that was around the same time they moved.
The only reason I can think why he still cares about the Phx r/e market is maybe they still own properties or he would like to be an active agent again once the market improves.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 02:27 PM
I can't listen to this guy anymore. Either he is beyond delusion, or he is as psychopathic as his wife is. Either option is svcky.
Isabelle
05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
Here's az family, where I've been watching
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Watch-LIVE-Trial-of-Baby-Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html
Is there a live stream with good audio?
Isabelle
05-09-2012, 02:30 PM
When asked if the adoption was finalized for Hannah, in a roundabout way he said it was not and later when answering another question he said the adoption was finalized? Which is it??
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 02:30 PM
He called EJ Rachel twice! He's having trouble keeping them straight.
Makes you kinda wonder if Rachel was a code name for EJ. I wonder if there were any emails or texts from a Rachel........
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:30 PM
Jack testified that Tammi told him that Rachel had "seizureque" behavior. I guess that was the excuse for Tammi talking to Rachel.
Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.
You may as well base it on the sky being blue.
As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.
He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:31 PM
When asked if the adoption was finalized for Hannah, in a roundabout way he said it was not and later when answering another question he said the adoption was finalized? Which is it??
I think he was talking about two different kids/adoptions. One being H and the other, S. Probably the dad of S is refusing to sign away his rights.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 02:33 PM
Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.
As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.
He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.
[bbm] Which is why I am putting on some $$$ on the prosecutors being ready with an AK-47 of questions that will bring his entire testimony down in flames.
Why would they let it go through otherwise? What's your take on this, as a lawyer?
artsy1
05-09-2012, 02:34 PM
Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.
As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.
He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.
Well, I suspect the defense was trying to "awe" the jury by having Jack say what big names he played with, like oh, they are important people, so they couldn't have done anything wrong.
leighmarker
05-09-2012, 02:34 PM
He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.
do you have any idea why the pros isn't objecting?
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:34 PM
They obtained a temporary guardianship for Rachel's baby and had not completed the foster/adoption classes . . . . the document was sent to them by Ken Schutt (Atty) for that baby . . . . they had that form with them @ EJ's as Tammi had conversation with EJ . . .there was a possiblity that EJ would say . . . here take my kid with you. (as an aside he keeps referring to Gabriel as "the child"). Temporary Guardianship/Power of Atty that EJ signed on 12/9/09. Purpose of the document "because we didn't know the mental state of the Mother and if child got hurt we wouldn't be able to obtain care for the child without the document. We strapped his little car seat in the car and went home. . . stopped on way home @ Walmart to get diapers/lotion and few things like that. Unusual happening the night he came home with Smiths phone rang approx 11pm it was Det. Agulara (sic) . . . @ Logan's employment there was a disturbance created by EJ and LE wanted to know where the child was . . . showed up @ our house @ 1:30 am need to verify child there . . . Det. Agulara and others with him - they were @ home due to fight between EJ and Logan . . . LE had to verify Gabe was in their home and safe. Gabe was in the bassinette next to their bed . . . Det. A said I have been with parents, both mother and father and baby is safer here . . . .objection - hearsay -
Where was Gabriel when LE left your home? In same bassinette asleep not knowing what happened. Gabriel lived with Smith approx. 9 days . . . one week from that following friday . . . 17th or 18th. Dec 9 - 18ish, 2009 . . . .Smiths did their own slight research pull up LE records (basically what we are all legally privy to) . . . those confirmed what Ej told us. Part of us wanted to get ahold of him, we were trying to determine EJ's mental state and determine Logan was what EJ said he was . . . Smiths understoon Logan had lot prob's as youngster - felony arrests . . . Gabriel life was a joy during the 9 days . . . JS tried to love on him a lot and speculated there was a lack of bonding . . .took him to see Santa - monumental thing in year one . . . took Gabriel to see EJ several times . . "everytime we were together except for one time" when TS took Gabe alone. Everytime we went we would load up everything EJ gave us for Gabriel . . .felt at some point EJ would come to her senses and ask for child back. . . . one time she called and said "I just need to see if he is ok now goback to your home".
EJ spoke of Logan durin the visits w/Gabriel . . . EJ was trying to Logan on board and allow them to adopt Logan . . . they were not a couple and he was not the Father according to EJ one time . . . he wasn't part of the equation as far as we knew . . . EJ was frightened of Logan. EJ filed with court . . . they learned Tues following the 9th on 13 or 14 - EJ had to answer a complaint that Logan had filed with court - JS did not personally see the paperwork . . .EJ and Logan went to court about 15th on Thurs. . . .Dec. 2009. Gabriel still living with Smiths on that day. Smiths didn't go to court with EJ that day but met her outside of court . . . Smith's had Gabriel and Hana with them. Did not meet w/EJ before the hearing. Plan to meet after court with Logan and Frank to discuss adoption with EJ and TS present. Outside courthouse . . . out front after the hearing. Smiths were excited to meet Logan for the first time . . . let Logan see they are good people - that never happened. TS jumped out . . . JS let TS out of the car - he went to park car - got kids out . . .. EJ very excited - she won he didn't get anything . . . JS concerned about when going to meet the Dad. . . EJ said Logan and Frank stormed out and passed them that day.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 02:35 PM
I think I heard that the father of S did sign the papers, but the adoption isn't finalized yet.
He's sounding more and more sleazy.
cindysnow3
05-09-2012, 02:35 PM
Is there a live stream with good audio?
I watch on this site... audio is great
http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/cbs-5-local-live-streaming
dizzychick
05-09-2012, 02:36 PM
a real estate license here in Texas is outrageuos like 25 years ago it was 500 a year and you might need some sort of insurance too I just know unless your seeling I wouldnt want to pay it year after year for nothing.
As for nursing, at one time here in Texas they were so hard up for nurses I had a kook client who had all kinds of drug charges etc and she still got a job wherever she wanted even got to pick her schedule. I dont think it is like that now but in the 90's early 2000 they would take any nurse they could get. Now with all the public criminal records hospitals are being more picky i guess due to liability.
Dave AHFB
05-09-2012, 02:36 PM
As an attorney you know that cross follows. Assuming you have no crystal ball I would wait for cross so as not to acquire foot in mouth virus.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 02:38 PM
As an attorney you know that cross follows. Assuming you have no crystal ball I would wait for cross so as not to acquire foot in mouth virus.
I agree with that 100%.I think it's better for them to stay put and slam his sorry azz on cross, rather than be seen as a constant objectionobjectionobjection team. So far the prosecution has done quite a good job, or so I think.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 02:39 PM
Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.
As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.
He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.
I understand what your saying I just hope the jurors are NOT falling for it. I am hoping the prosecutors will show his true colors in their cross. Although if the jurors fall in love with him then the prosecutors will look mean. They will need to be very careful.
Isabelle
05-09-2012, 02:40 PM
Good Lord ive lost count how many kids underage kids do they have? A brood LOL and they want gabriel too..geesh,,the one thing that crossed my mind was a tax write off!
LOL, not worth it!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:41 PM
[bbm] Which is why I am putting on some $$$ on the prosecutors being ready with an AK-47 of questions that will bring his entire testimony down in flames.
Why would they let it go through otherwise? What's your take on this, as a lawyer?
Too busy writing down notes for cross, not that good, not that worried because they aren't that good, I don't know.
I think the defense is doing some real damage with this salesman, to the prosecution's case.
I just hope they have great rebuttal witnesses. People who can completely refute the picture of what he is saying.
Problem is, it has been established that EJ is a nut and a criminal. The jury can choose to blame everything on her and find this hapless couple simply were duped. Logan's criminal background has come out so the jury may view this couple as really seeing Logan as the bad guy (poor EJ was so scared of him!).
But, has anything come out about Tammi's bizarre criminal and other history? Past forgery? Theft? Bigamy? Operating without a license? Etc.? Because normally, evidence of a defendant's past character can't come in.
Granted, they may have opened that door when talking about the foster-adopt agencies they went to. Let's see if the state walks through that door and if the judge will let them.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 02:42 PM
AAAAWEWWWWW.... Gabriel was crying when they gave him back, because he wanted to be with THEM :rolleyes:
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 02:43 PM
Too busy writing down notes for cross, not that good, not that worried because they aren't that good, I don't know.
I think the defense is doing some real damage with this salesman, to the prosecution's case.
I just hope they have great rebuttal witnesses. People who can completely refute the picture of what he is saying.
Problem is, it has been established that EJ is a nut and a criminal. The jury can choose to blame everything on her and find this hapless couple simple were duped. Logan's criminal background has come out so the jury may view this couple as really seeing Logan as the bad guy (poor EJ was so scared of him!).
But, has anything come out about Tammi's bizarre criminal and other history? Past forgery? Theft? Bigamy? Operating without a license? Etc.? Because normally, evidence of a defendant's past character can't come in.
Granted, they may have opened that door when talking about the foster-adopt agencies they went to. Let's see if the state walks through that door and if the judge will let them.
Thanks. I love your insights :)
momtective
05-09-2012, 02:44 PM
Jack! Just answer the danm question!
Troubled
05-09-2012, 02:45 PM
Interesting why would he say "personally no we did not go by the trailer"? Then who did he send to the trailer?
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:46 PM
Why would he want Gabriel to stay the night before Logan's visitation, with the mother who admitted she had not bonded with Gabriel and who wanted to give him away to strangers? Why would they not jump at the opportunity to meet Logan and conduct the exchange with him? Let's see if the state explores this.
Melanie
05-09-2012, 02:46 PM
What did he say about Tammi's other kids?
I think it's more about what he didn't say. He made it appear that they were one big happy family, with one of the kids staying at their house several times during the last few months. No mention that Tammi abandoned them, instead he rattled off names and ages and said something to the effect that they interact with them.
Uggghhhh....
Mel
Cherry Baby
05-09-2012, 02:47 PM
Sleazy is the right word. The more he talks I do think he's giving the prosecution a lot of opportunity to grill him like a cheese sandwich. He's too vague about some things, and then way too detailed about inconsequential stuff.
I think EJ is just something I can't say here - but TS and JS aren't much better.
Melanie
05-09-2012, 02:48 PM
As an attorney you know that cross follows. Assuming you have no crystal ball I would wait for cross so as not to acquire foot in mouth virus.
It's always nice to see you Dave :) Haven't seen ya in awhile!
Mel
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:49 PM
Logan would pick up Gabriel to EJ to exchange child for Logan's visit on Sat morning. . . . JS said no he would not get the children up @ 5:30 am to have the children @ 8 am in Tempe. JS wanted EJ to sleep with Gabriel that night (weird sounding statement to me?!)
They had already planned on deliver product . . . met at the Glass and Grass Church on McDonald . . . assume EJ picked church with a big parking lot. Logan was his Father he is supposed to be with his father!
Last time dropped Gabe off was with EJ . . . didn't know EJ was going to leave the State, during the 8-9 days they had started bonding with child, he was whining and whimpering and wanting to be back with Smiths when handing child over to EJ. EJ had no cell phone - landline - called her home and left msg on answering machine . . . left another message a little later on Friday evening - within a few hours. Tammi might have called EJ twice and left messages and didn't hear from EJ that night. EJ was not home she was out somewhere . . . concerned for what going on for the child. Smiths called again that Sat. morning - didn't reach EJ - left 3-4 messages on Sat. More messages on Sunday . . . increasing aggressive messages - if you have gotten back with Logan just tell us and we want to know Gabriel is okay. Did not go by the trailer . . . it was way out of the way . . . they had no means of contactng Logan. Didn't have a phone . . .no idea how to get ahold of him . . . went to Logan's place of work on Monday. TS came downstairs completely dressed . . . we gave our word we will meet him @ 8 am to meet Logan - went immediately to the trailer - no one came to the door.
Smiths went next door to neighbor - no answer there - no other trailers across or on other side of her. Went to Denny's and had breakfast. Back to trailer to no avail. Only other option was to see if find the Father. They remembered EJ's filing response to Logans allegations (a PO Box). . . look up 99 cent store in Tempe where he worked part time. (ETA . . . What? didn't LE call them to tell them first night that EJ was @ Logan's employment? How did he get a 99 cent store from a PO Box?)
Melanie
05-09-2012, 02:51 PM
Why would he want Gabriel to stay the night before Logan's visitation, with the mother who admitted she had not bonded with Gabriel and who wanted to give him away to strangers? Why would they not jump at the opportunity to meet Logan and conduct the exchange with him? Let's see if the state explores this.
I believe this is a CYA moment. In reality, they sent EJ on her way to pack and get going on the trip they all planned. That would be hard to do if Gabriel was at the Smith's house and needed to be passed off to Logan the next morning.
IMHO - Jack and Tammi knew exactly where EJ was going. It just didn't make sense to keep Gabriel at their house for the plan to work.
Again, JMHO.
Mel
Troubled
05-09-2012, 02:51 PM
He keeps saying "I said We said" which is it?
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:52 PM
As an attorney you know that cross follows. Assuming you have no crystal ball I would wait for cross so as not to acquire foot in mouth virus.
Having experienced enough trials, I'm not worried about foot and mouth disease! LOL. I was taught, and experience has proven to me, that it is much more effective, in certain situations, to forestall or interrupt the rhythm the other side wants to create, than to try to make a now likeable witness look like an a$$.
They really allowed this guy to paint a positive picture of Tammi's motivations and actions. I hope they can undo some of that damage on cross but letting that happen to begin with, when it can be prevented, is very risky.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 02:52 PM
I should turn off my phone! I missed the last bit. Thanks for being so thorough.
How can he demonize Logan when he never met him? Yet, he mentioned earlier that the reason they kept Gabriel after LE saw he was safe due to a domestic violence call due to EJ's behavior???
That would have sent off alarm bells that she might not be telling all the facts about Logan. Fact is, his own wife is no better and I wish the jury could know about HER record!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:53 PM
I believe this is a CYA moment. In reality, they sent EJ on her way to pack and get going on the trip they all planned. That would be hard to do if Gabriel was at the Smith's house and needed to be passed off to Logan the next morning.
IMHO - Jack and Tammi knew exactly where EJ was going. It just didn't make sense to keep Gabriel at their house for the plan to work.
Again, JMHO.
Mel
Exactly.
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 02:58 PM
JS . . . I can't remember if I talked with Logan . . . I am sure I did. . . . yeah . . . Man to Man . . . I did talk to him (??????????)
Logan told Smiths he had seen a myspace entry 11 hours ago . . . Buddy beginning to crawl? . . . .JS went into his computer . . ..look up EJ's and there were several . . . . it did say that . . .JS sent her a message . . . . "EJ please let us know you and Gabriel are ok - we have something serious to talk about . . . Yeah I did tell Logan I sent it (high pitch). Text came into TS phone from EJ . . . 15 min after he made myspace post . . . he has no idea if Logan contacted EJ directly . . . EJ said Yes I should have told you . . . everythin is fine - JS said there are problems - what is up?
TS sent a text back saying too much info to text . . . call us. . . . EJ did not tell where she was . . . general local . . . on a 210 area code . . . JS was talking to EJ . . . Tammi looked up where is 210 . . . San Antonio Tx ., she was afraid they would tell Logan and life or safety would be at risk. EJ found someone who going to get her new identity go under ground, change hair color and never hear from her again. On Speaker phone during this conversation . . . Jack told EJ to come home, not the way to do this, what happens if he breaks his leg . . .can't get him in a hospital. Conversation ended with EJ on Tues. following friday after giving Gabriel back. EJ was upset . . . Jack picked up phone and immediately called Logan and told EJ they told Logan and gave EJ's phone number with the 210 area code.
Tell EJ anything other than come home . . . NO it was come home, that is not teh way to do things .. . no - come home.
Provided Logan with EJ's phone number - conversation with Logan because of volitle relationship they have - she is angry . . . you need to find her . . . .she is in San Antonio it is not that big of a town. Get your father to help you with LE involvement. WE were under the threat she was going to change her identity.
Lunch Break - back @ 1:30
gitana1
05-09-2012, 02:59 PM
Sleazy is the right word. The more he talks I do think he's giving the prosecution a lot of opportunity to grill him like a cheese sandwich. He's too vague about some things, and then way too detailed about inconsequential stuff.
I think EJ is just something I can't say here - but TS and JS aren't much better.
Let me say this, while I find this guy to be as greasy as a pizza, I would be ecstatic to have him as my witness. He is very, very good. Very smooth, very well-spoken, knows how to inject emotion into his testimony and he will come across as believable to most jurors. Ick.
wenwe4
05-09-2012, 03:02 PM
Let me say this, while I find this guy to be as greasy as a pizza, I would be ecstatic to have him as my witness. He is very, very good. Very smooth, very well-spoken, knows how to inject emotion into his testimony and he will come across as believable to most jurors. Ick.
My personal opinion here. . . he has a "Drew Peterson/Jerry Sandusky" sort of look and feel to him. Not suggesting anything other than that . . . . I do not mean to paint a picture that isn't relevant - just my initial reaction.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 03:03 PM
My personal opinion here. . . he has a "Drew Peterson/Jerry Sandusky" sort of look and feel to him. Not suggesting anything other than that . . . . I do not mean to paint a picture that isn't relevant - just my initial reaction.
Yeah, I agree. I can only hope that there are some on the jury who see it the same way!!!!:please:
momtective
05-09-2012, 03:06 PM
Let me say this, while I find this guy to be as greasy as a pizza, I would be ecstatic to have him as my witness. He is very, very good. Very smooth, very well-spoken, knows how to inject emotion into his testimony and he will come across as believable to most jurors. Ick.
Remember though, the jury has already heard the recording of Jack when he said to Logan "What? Do you want your son living in a trailer?!" The jury has already heard the ugly side of Jack and believe me, what they are seeing now is a real contrast. :eek:
Dave AHFB
05-09-2012, 03:08 PM
It's always nice to see you Dave :) Haven't seen ya in awhile!
Mel
I do not come here as much. It seems some are happier when they do not see me, and staying away makes the moderators job much easier. Besides, I have a goal to have 30 websites (28 new) by the end of the year. 23 1/2 to go!
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Remember though, the jury has already heard the recording of Jack when he said to Logan "What? Do you want your son living in a trailer?!" The jury has already heard the ugly side of Jack and believe me, what they are seeing now is a real contrast. :eek:
You give me hope! Hope the prosecutor brings that up, among other things.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 03:18 PM
I'd love to have the prosecution play the tapes where Tammi is describing Jack's daughter in *ahem* less than flattering terms (making her sound MUCH worse than Jack), and get Jack's reaction to what his wife said about his daughter....
gitana1
05-09-2012, 03:23 PM
Remember though, the jury has already heard the recording of Jack when he said to Logan "What? Do you want your son living in a trailer?!" The jury has already heard the ugly side of Jack and believe me, what they are seeing now is a real contrast. :eek:
Good point. I hope that sticks with them through this. Personally, I'm worried.
CathyinTexas
05-09-2012, 03:27 PM
And it sounds like it was a Downs Syndrome baby? Rachel didn't mention that, did she? She also didn't mention anything about money.
She was asked about whether she asked for money and she said no! I believe her. I wonder what she thinks about this testimony and how they are portraying her.
Hunnydolll
05-09-2012, 03:30 PM
Howdy everyone!! Been a long time since I have been on here! I am home sick and watching the trial. Are there archive videos of the trial? Thanks!
artsy1
05-09-2012, 03:30 PM
And Mr. Smith, since you already testified about meeting Rachel Hoover, what exactly did you say to her during that meeting (that allegedly freaked out Rachel to her not wanting them to adopt her baby after all)????
luvlife
05-09-2012, 03:34 PM
My streaming is down now, anyone else?
italiangal
05-09-2012, 03:36 PM
tammi is a nurse but has felony convictions and lost custody of her own children . . . . How is that even congruent since she would be caring for vulnerable populations? Is she still a nurse or had some nurse's training in the past?
they need to ask where did ts receive her nurseing experiance.
My streaming is down now, anyone else?
They're on their lunchbreak right now, trail will start again in about an hour.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:39 PM
I'm sure I'm late but the video showing her and her lawyers + husband were from yesterday.
Howdy everyone!! Been a long time since I have been on here! I am home sick and watching the trial. Are there archive videos of the trial? Thanks!
No there's not.
InSession plays back the next day from the privious day, because they stop airing at 3:00 pm.
Sleuths4Me
05-09-2012, 03:40 PM
both of the live feeds are down for me...azfamily and KPHO..any other link?
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:40 PM
Tammi is a nurse? RN?
artsy1
05-09-2012, 03:42 PM
I wonder why, since Jack mentioned one of Tammi's sisters having been a surrogate twice before, it was out of the question for them??
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:43 PM
Why O why does True TV stop at 3pm eastern time??? Now I have to watch on my hot laptop with headphones because my volume stinks! Then the kids are arriving home and need things ugh. Plus my ears are so painful and full from allergies LOL. Guess I need better drugs.
Speaking of True Tv, they were better off keeping it COURT TV. Less confusing.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:45 PM
Jack stated that he was getting older, so wonder why he was all for adopting yet another child (Gabriel). Makes you wonder who wears the pants in that house. Like I'm one to talk haha. I think most men just go along with what their wives want, it's easier than losing a fight lol.
Anakerie
05-09-2012, 03:45 PM
both of the live feeds are down for me...azfamily and KPHO..any other link?
Court is on lunch break... :twocents:
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:48 PM
I do not come here as much. It seems some are happier when they do not see me, and staying away makes the moderators job much easier. Besides, I have a goal to have 30 websites (28 new) by the end of the year. 23 1/2 to go!
Dave, why do they like you gone lol? What did you do now hehe. What does "AHFB" stand for anyway?
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 03:51 PM
Court is on lunch break... :twocents:
How dare court take a lunch break? No breaks deserved LOL. No seriously though, we could get through this trial a lot faster if we muddled through faster ie: 10 min. breaks, .5 hr. lunches. I suppose though that many leave for lunch, therefore have to fight lunch road traffic. Too bad they do all just eat right there because TIME IS ALWAYS MONEY.
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 03:59 PM
My streaming is down now, anyone else?
Mine too. Lunch time maybe?
Sleuths4Me
05-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Court is on lunch break... :twocents:
Thanks, I was watching it and the sound went all crazy and then to the bar screen so didn't hear the judge recess for lunch
Hunnydolll
05-09-2012, 04:05 PM
No there's not.
InSession plays back the next day from the privious day, because they stop airing at 3:00 pm.
Hi Noor,
Thank you so much for answering. I am home with bronchitis, so I am going to stay home tomorrow, too. So at least I'll get to see some more of it! Very interesting!
Hunnydolll
05-09-2012, 04:07 PM
Why O why does True TV stop at 3pm eastern time??? Now I have to watch on my hot laptop with headphones because my volume stinks! Then the kids are arriving home and need things ugh. Plus my ears are so painful and full from allergies LOL. Guess I need better drugs.
Speaking of True Tv, they were better off keeping it COURT TV. Less confusing.
I totally agree! I loved it when they were all day! 9-3pm just stinks! Who cares about car chase programs, etc. They should save those for the evening!
italiangal
05-09-2012, 04:07 PM
Tammi is a nurse? RN?
Where did you see that TS was a RN.
Isabelle
05-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Think Tammi will be on the stand today?
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:16 PM
I totally agree! I loved it when they were all day! 9-3pm just stinks! Who cares about car chase programs, etc. They should save those for the evening!
Oh I know! Makes me feel sick just to hear the car chase stuff right after court. Just makes no sense at all. Wonder if we can petition the TV network about this? Help us Vinnie Politan lol
I wonder why, since Jack mentioned one of Tammi's sisters having been a surrogate twice before, it was out of the question for them??
Wow. Just got home so I missed some good stuff . This sister's surrogacy really disturbs me, mainly because she has a sibling who is a diagnosed schizophrenic. While researchers are still debating the familial aspects of bipolar disorder, there is no doubt about schizophrenia- it runs in families.
jamiect
05-09-2012, 04:19 PM
Thanks for all the narratives. I watched Jack for about 10 minutes and quickly muted him.
Something about the way he's testifying that reminded me of George/Cindy Anthony. Yuck
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:35 PM
Heck no Tammi won't be on today. Takes all day just for breaks haha. I twittered both TruTV and TruTV producers to make trials go past the 3pm eastern time b/c we could care less about car chases like someone stated.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
Thanks for all the narratives. I watched Jack for about 10 minutes and quickly muted him.
Something about the way he's testifying that reminded me of George/Cindy Anthony. Yuck
Made me sad to see Caylee's picture just now. I was a friend of Cindy's before she threw me under the bus. Tammi Smith and Cindy have a lot in common, especially their inability to stop talking so much ugh.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
hmm, anybody getting feed yet?
gitana1
05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
Is TruTv where they have In sessions? I don't think I get that channel.
Live feed still not up on link: http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/WATCH-LIVE-Tammi-Smith-trial-150616995.html
They were supposed to be back at 1:30 p.m..
smokey
05-09-2012, 04:38 PM
Steven Powell trial
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54079649-78/powell-steve-susan-trial.html.csp
gitana1
05-09-2012, 04:41 PM
It's on. Looks like it started before the feed turned on.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Back on!
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:47 PM
I really like Jack. He is handsome as well. And he loves his wife regardless of what they have done or not done.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 04:47 PM
That was such a b.s. answer, about the trailer park.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 04:48 PM
Huh, so he wanted EJ to go to TN so they could give Gabriel back to Logan, but Tammi told LE that they wanted her to go to TN so that they could stress Logan into giving up Gabriel.
Guess they didn't compare stories before he came to court today!
gitana1
05-09-2012, 04:49 PM
I really like Jack. He is handsome as well. And he loves his wife regardless of what they have done or not done.
I think the jury is going to feel the same way as you do, for the most part. Do you think he's being honest?
CathyinTexas
05-09-2012, 04:50 PM
I really like Jack. He is handsome as well. And he loves his wife regardless of what they have done or not done.
I personally don't like him. He and Tammi are two peas in a pod, and coconspirators, imo. I think at the very least they are withholding information that could lead to Gabriel. jmo
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:51 PM
Ugh, my feed keeps stopping, what is going on here? Guess will have to watch on CNN.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:52 PM
I think the jury is going to feel the same way as you do, for the most part. Do you think he's being honest?
I do yes. He seems upright for the most part.
I really like Jack. He is handsome as well. And he loves his wife regardless of what they have done or not done.
I really do not like him at all.
Everything that comes out of his mouth is very calculated, he has to think to long to answer, sometimes he answers the question with a question, to give him time to think about his answer.
I understand he's there to help his wife, to me it does not come over as being honest.
I can't wait till cross.
It will be a different story.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 04:55 PM
So TPS, JS, and HS were all watching TV when the police showed up, but TPS told Det. Ramirez on the phone that they were all in bed....
artsy1
05-09-2012, 04:56 PM
Go ahead and do the search without the warrant, but on the call between TPS and Det. Ramirez, you can hear him in the background saying they couldn't search without the warrant.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:56 PM
I really like that we can all agree to disagree and are respectful to one another. Opinions are just that: opinions. No one right, no one wrong. Nice that we can let God be the judge because Lord knows, I didn't do a crime...yet...but we all have our issues. This could very well be us someday, God forbid. People are capable of anything unfortunately.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 04:58 PM
I too always like the "cross." Very interesting.
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 04:58 PM
I think the jury is going to feel the same way as you do, for the most part. Do you think he's being honest?
I'm not sure if he's being honest or not but imo he sure is choosing his words very carefully.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Ah geez, waterworks again...
Sleuths4Me
05-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Made me sad to see Caylee's picture just now. I was a friend of Cindy's before she threw me under the bus. Tammi Smith and Cindy have a lot in common, especially their inability to stop talking so much ugh.
Wow, I'm sure you have a ton of stories...can't imagine how you must feel
gitana1
05-09-2012, 04:59 PM
I really do not like him at all.
Everything that comes out of his mouth is very calculated, he has to think to long to answer, sometimes he answers the question with a question, to give him time to think about his answer.
I understand he's there to help his wife, to me it does not come over as being honest.
I can't wait till cross.
It will be a different story.
I think this guy is going to hold his own during cross. He's a salesman, an actor, IMO. He knows what he's doing and he is doing it well, unfortunately.
His smirk really bothers me. It reveals such artifice, IMO.
He's so slick. Hear that? He was SO unconcerned that he actually fell asleep on the couch during the search! And the search was so unnecessary, I mean they have answered every question and gave LE access whenever they wanted. And poor H had to fall asleep on his lap during that unnecessary search.
Oh, he's good. Subtle, slick, excellent.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:00 PM
we didn't want to do all the media interviews? huh?
luckygirl
05-09-2012, 05:01 PM
The tears from TS are coming now....
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:01 PM
His big beautiful home is most important, then the business and then protection of his family!!! Wow, what about concern for baby Gabriel?
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:02 PM
And here come the cross examination.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Cross already? I like this DA from Arizona with a Minnesota accent.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:03 PM
we still own a home in TN, but have to have the state of AZ to pay for my wife's defense....
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:04 PM
He had a hard time saying that he visits Tenn. from time to time. I wonder why?
Can't remember his Tenn. lawyer's name?
He's getting tentative in his answers.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:04 PM
I'd want to choose my words carefully too if I was on the stand, especially if I didn't want my spouse to go to jail lol. It's just too easy to speculate and speculation can be dangerous too.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:06 PM
Cross already? I like this DA from Arizona with a Minnesota accent.
Did you read my mind yesterday LOL?? Before my membership was approved on here, I was dying to ask if this other prosecutor was from Minnesota!!! I'm from there lol....
jamiect
05-09-2012, 05:06 PM
His big beautiful home is most important, then the business and then protection of his family!!! Wow, what about concern for baby Gabriel?
Can I say superficial???
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Here comes impeachment
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:08 PM
He's scared sh###tless that he's going to mess up and he's second guessing himself. That's what happens when you have to remember lies IMO
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:09 PM
I can slight signs of nervousness in him right now.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:09 PM
His big beautiful home is most important, then the business and then protection of his family!!! Wow, what about concern for baby Gabriel?
Is that what he said?
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:10 PM
Did you read my mind yesterday LOL?? Before my membership was approved on here, I was dying to ask if this other prosecutor was from Minnesota!!! I'm from there lol....
SHe does sound like she's from Minahsoda LOL Welcome!
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:11 PM
Anyone know where we can find info/names of these prosecutors? Want to see where they are from.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:12 PM
Prosecutor is doing a good job so far, but a bit inexperienced, IMO. Any trial attorney knows they can't show a witness a document without showing the other attorney first.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:13 PM
SHe does sound like she's from Minahsoda LOL Welcome!
You mean Minnasnowda?? The land of too many frozen lakes lol?? How do you know that accent, you from there? Sent you pm.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:14 PM
You know what it means when people start a sentence with "honestly". Casey Anthony syndrome.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:14 PM
Prosecutor is doing a good job so far, but a bit inexperienced, IMO. Any trial attorney knows they can't show a witness a document without showing the other attorney first.
Yeah she seems pretty young. She's good though.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:15 PM
She is managing to bring out that Jack wasn't the powerhouse behind the legal business.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:15 PM
OMG - people do that everyday, give their child up to strangers after only knowing them a few hours????????
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:15 PM
I have to go for a moment, can someone transcribe a bit or summarize so I can know what happened while I'm away???
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Oh the prosecution is warming up. They are asking some really good questions.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:16 PM
People offer to give up their babies every day? No, not odd at all!
Boots-OK
05-09-2012, 05:16 PM
He's scared sh###tless that he's going to mess up and he's second guessing himself. That's what happens when you have to remember lies IMO
The answers aren't coming as easily now it seems. He is really tripping up
badly, imo, on the small things.....
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 05:17 PM
OMG - people do that everyday, give their child up to strangers after only knowing them a few hours????????
Apparently... ;)
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:17 PM
Yeah she seems pretty young. She's good though.
She joined the prosecution team only a few weeks before trial started (it's in the minutes). She went right from one trial to this one - the prosecution wanted her on the team because her experience is in computer crimes, as I understand.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:18 PM
I'm trying Gitana but I'm confused on some of this stuff. Talking about how Rachel did not have the resources they did but were expected to get own legal help? Prosecutor calling him out that they just could not afford a baby, it wasn't that they were not going to buy one. JS says it doesn't matter if they did not or could not afford a baby.
peedoffinny
05-09-2012, 05:19 PM
I hope you guys don't mind me joining in. I'm watching trial and feel like slapping this guy across the face - lol. He has the classic actions of a liar - pursing his lips (Cindy Ant style whenever she lied) and touching his face all of the time. He's so sarcastic - grrr. OK, I'm done. Thanks.
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:20 PM
$3500 for medical and possible legal fees is low for a private adoption. The baby was too expensive?
His answer about that made no sense at all. $500 to each parent and $300 for legal fees. Was he bargain shopping.
He doesn't know Tammi was willing to pay $900/mo. for a surrogate and didn't really get into those minor details with her?
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Your wife says they would pay up to $900 per month for a surrogate. Were you aware of that? No. Did you discuss surrogacy plans with her? No
He's about to go George Anthony on this attorney. Getting snippy.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:21 PM
He sure was stammering there a good bit. I am thinking he realized he said something wrong and had to figure a way out.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:21 PM
This prosecutor needs to be more scary hehe...get in yer car and drive to Fargo lol
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:21 PM
You mean Minnasnowda?? The land of too many frozen lakes lol?? How do you know that accent, you from there? Sent you pm.
No but I watch a lot of TV. J/K my friend's hubby is from there.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:22 PM
What was that message that he was not aware of til now? And why not? Didn't her attorneys share discovery with him?
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:24 PM
Atty Lee looks confused that TPS did all this stuff behind JS's back....
Boots-OK
05-09-2012, 05:25 PM
Is it just me or does Mr. Smooth appear a little green around the gills during this cross?
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 05:26 PM
OMFG I LOVE THIS PROSECUTOR. :rocker: sister!!!
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:26 PM
wonder who's in the courtroom - TPS just turned around & smiled at someone.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:26 PM
You know if you were truthful from the get go you wont have a problem remembering it.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 05:26 PM
Is it just me or does Mr. Smooth appear a little green around the gills during this cross?
:floorlaugh: and is it just me or Tammi's smirk just turned into an OMGWTF face? :floorlaugh:
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:27 PM
Is it just me or does Mr. Smooth appear a little green around the gills during this cross?
LOLOL. Mr. Smooth
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:28 PM
According to Jack, Tammi didn't know about doing the paperwork. Yet Tammi was busy trying to get names of other men to put on the document!
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 05:29 PM
It's the little things... the little details... I love how the prosecutor is "playing naive"... appealing to his gigantic ego....
I think this guy is going to hold his own during cross. He's a salesman, an actor, IMO. He knows what he's doing and he is doing it well, unfortunately.
His smirk really bothers me. It reveals such artifice, IMO.
He's so slick. Hear that? He was SO unconcerned that he actually fell asleep on the couch during the search! And the search was so unnecessary, I mean they have answered every question and gave LE access whenever they wanted. And poor H had to fall asleep on his lap during that unnecessary search.
Oh, he's good. Subtle, slick, excellent.
BBM, see that would turn me off as a juror, WTH falls asleep while all these BIG scary LE people invade my house in the middle of the night, destroying every room and drawer, he's so at peace that he can fall asleep.
Nah, not buying it.
A little too slick for me.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:30 PM
Mr. and Mrs. Smith, the movie hehe.
Look at Tammi's male attorney...he always has this look on his face like he's about to take a dump lol. Or keep it in hehe. My bad.
seattlechiquita
05-09-2012, 05:31 PM
Mr. and Mrs. Smith, the movie hehe.
Look at Tammi's male attorney...he always has this look on his face like he's about to take a dump lol. Or keep it in hehe. My bad.
But with ugly people... :floorlaugh:
momtective
05-09-2012, 05:32 PM
I wish he wouldn't assume...you know what that does....makes an azz out of you and ummm....well in this case...just you! :giggle:
Lawyer Lee wants to crawl under the table......
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Mr. and Mrs. Smith, the movie hehe.
Look at Tammi's male attorney...he always has this look on his face like he's about to take a dump lol. Or keep it in hehe. My bad.
LOL I was just gonna comment that he looks lost, scared, and looks like he has no clue what is happening.
momtective
05-09-2012, 05:34 PM
Lawyer Lee wants to crawl under the table......
I think he just wants to :puke:
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:34 PM
It just struck me that EJ didn't want to meet them at the trailer because they would see she'd deep-sixed the baby stuff and rented out the room.
LOL! Tammi wrote the memo about the 1 piece of clothing, one bottle, etc.
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:36 PM
On one hand I feel a little sorry for JS. When your with crazy it does rub off. I think he probably does really love his wife and he gives her whatever she wants.
On the other hand at some point you have to put your foot down especially if it comes to taking others babies and doing other illegal things.
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:36 PM
Interesting. The Anthonys were all allowed in the courtroom but Jack wasn't and he is contradicting her left and right. You'd think he would have watched it from home. Oh wait that would be illega. Oh wait.
momtective
05-09-2012, 05:36 PM
Selective memory...I swear Jack and Tammi have the most selective memory I've ever seen!
strawberry
05-09-2012, 05:38 PM
It just struck me that EJ didn't want to meet them at the trailer because they would see she'd deep-sixed the baby stuff and rented out the room.
LOL! Tammi wrote the memo about the 1 piece of clothing, one bottle, etc.
Yes! He seems really clueless about what TS did and said.
Boots-OK
05-09-2012, 05:38 PM
Packed one diaper, one bottle, one outfit and one jar of baby food for Baby Gabe per EJ's instructions. She wanted to show Logan what it was like to have to get the baby stuff and provide for him.
Question for the Smiths....if you truly loved this baby and were so concerned with his well-being - why did you follow EJ's instructions? Why not pack his bag with far more than he would need (if you cared about HIM - Baby Gabriel). Nothing they say makes the least bit of sense to me.... jmho
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:38 PM
I think he just wants to :puke:
LOL,laughed when I saw your toilet!!! Amazing what puters can do ha!
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:38 PM
Selective memory...I swear Jack and Tammi have the most selective memory I've ever seen!
Selective memory, or maybe he better pay closer attention to what his wife is doing before going on national tv defending her actions... :what:
momtective
05-09-2012, 05:40 PM
Packed one diaper, one bottle, one outfit and one jar of baby food for Baby Gabe per EJ's instructions. She wanted to show Logan what it was like to have to get the baby stuff and provide for him.
Question for the Smiths....if you truly loved this baby and were so concerned with his well-being - why did you follow EJ's instructions? Why not pack his bag with far more than he would need (if you cared about HIM - Baby Gabriel). Nothing they say makes the least bit of sense to me.... jmho
I sincerest hope is that you are representative of the jury.
olivia1984
05-09-2012, 05:40 PM
ooooooh, he is getting testy now lol
CarolinaMoon
05-09-2012, 05:41 PM
Why is it odd a father would want to "adopt" his car without a house and car? He has a house thing.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:41 PM
ooh, the claws come out....
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:42 PM
"It seems odd that he didnt have a house or a car and he wanted to adopt a child" LOL oh I love this prosecutor. So you think they have to have a car and house.
My question would be Mr Logan wasnt trying to adopt a child he was trying to get custody of HIS child.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:43 PM
we tried to get ahold of Logan by running his criminal history....
Marigold
05-09-2012, 05:43 PM
I want to thank EVERYONE for giving such great descriptions of the trial's happenings. Please keep up the good work!!! You all are TERRIFIC!!
Troubled
05-09-2012, 05:44 PM
Packed one diaper, one bottle, one outfit and one jar of baby food for Baby Gabe per EJ's instructions. She wanted to show Logan what it was like to have to get the baby stuff and provide for him.
Question for the Smiths....if you truly loved this baby and were so concerned with his well-being - why did you follow EJ's instructions? Why not pack his bag with far more than he would need (if you cared about HIM - Baby Gabriel). Nothing they say makes the least bit of sense to me.... jmho
And wouldnt that go to show they were trying to STRESS the father into giving up his rights? Therefore interfering with Logans custodial rights.
artsy1
05-09-2012, 05:44 PM
Why is it odd a father would want to "adopt" his car without a house and car? He has a house thing.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: I know what you mean, but thanks for the laugh! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
:seeya:
Selective memory...I swear Jack and Tammi have the most selective memory I've ever seen!
Seriosly, somethings are cristal clear in his mind, other (important) details he does not remember, after all it's been 2 1/2 years ago.
momtective
05-09-2012, 05:45 PM
They were going to name him Jacob.
gitana1
05-09-2012, 05:46 PM
No way, nothing further?
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