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tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 05:44 PM
This website is a place for my family and I to share what we have on our Painted Corners Farm. The children came up with the name since we have such a wide color scheme on our property. We are a family of 5. Made up of my husband, Gary, our three daughters, and myself, Jodie. In the house we have 1 Harlequin Great Dane named Allie Mae, 1 Rottweiler named Zeeva, 1 mixed indoor/outdoor cat for mice named Ella, and the children have a Hamster named Dots. Whew! That's a lot to deal with let me tell ya ;o)! As far as outside goes we have 5 Guineas, a trio of Golden Sebrights, and 24 Black Australorps. We have 3 Buff Orpington, 5 Rosecomb and 2 Black Australorp in the baby hutch that just hatched.

We have Australorp eggs for sale. These can be eating or hatching eggs. I do ship eggs!

She sounds like a wonderful person with a great family. So sad! AM is clearly delusional.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 05:45 PM
Another ARREST!
A neighbor
http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

I wonder if this what all the LE attention was on earlier. I bet this guy was hiding him at some point.

Seek&Find
05-09-2012, 05:46 PM
I thought in the affadavit Joann was killed in the garage and the older daughter somewhere else.

"The latest police affidavit reveals that Teresa watched her husband kill Jo Ann Bain in a Whiteville garage. She also told investigators Mayes killed Adrienne in the same town."

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18242709/fbi-will-hold-news-conference-regarding-missing-bain-girls-at-2-pm

Per the affidavit Here (http://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/affidavitagainstadamteresamayes.pdf), Adrienne was also killed at the residence.

susan1122
05-09-2012, 05:46 PM
Is this a new news conference or the one from earlier today?

Earlier, I think.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 05:48 PM
Per the affidavit Here (http://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/affidavitagainstadamteresamayes.pdf), Adrienne was also killed at the residence.

Things are confusing reading the affidavit and news articles about what the affadavit states. :crazy:

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 05:51 PM
The address listed on the website I posted before appears to be owned by JB's father Joe Thompson:

http://www.whitepages.com/10646/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Joe&name=Thompson&city_zip=85936&state_id=AZ

We can conclude from my links the following:

1) JB, GB, and kids lived in Tucson, AZ area from 2003-2009
2) JB and family return to Tennessee in March 2009 and have a ranch in Whiteville, TN called "Painted Corners"
3) JB and family return to Saint Johns, AZ in late 2010/early 2011 to be with her ailing father Joe Thompson; put home in Whiteville up for sale:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8590-Whiteville-Newcastle-Rd-Whiteville-TN-38075/41509965_zpid/
4) Joe Thompson passes away in March 2011 http://www.tributes.com/show/Joe-Mcauthor-Thompson-91178027
5) JB and family take care of the property owned by her father; possibly sell it
6) JB and family return to Tennessee in April 2012; plan to move all their property from the ranch in Whiteville to a new home in the Tucson area
7) AM upset at what appears to be a permanent decision to move away; kidnap and murder

The home is now listed as not for sale on Realtor.com as of May 4. This could be due to the deaths, or the home was sold thus requiring their final move out. Click the "property history" in the below link and you can see that JB and GB bought the property in March 2009.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8590-Whiteville-Newcastle-Rd_Whiteville_TN_38075_M72524-01195?source=web

http://www.intelius.com/Find-Phone-Address/Whiteville-TN/Joe-Thompson.html

Patty G
05-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Per the affidavit Here (http://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/affidavitagainstadamteresamayes.pdf), Adrienne was also killed at the residence.

Looking at the affidavit, it appears, like I mentioned, that Joann was killed in the garage, and the older daughter somewhere else AND not in the garage, and appears it was at the same residence.

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 05:55 PM
I believe that it's absolutely understandable why there is so much confusion surrounding the "facts" about where the family was presently living.. Where were they just "visiting".. Where were the kids enrolled in school.. Were they merely just returning back to AZ with this uhaul of more of their stuff.. Or was it they were just now moving to AZ, and if so was it now or the end of May.. And also understandable that ppl are questioning was GB going to move as well or was Joann leaving her husband..

It's a mess of info along with it certainly seems to be some severe instability in their living situation over the course of the past several years.. So sad as it seems these girls were ping ponged back and forth to TN from AZ and schools as well..

As far as problems within the marriage well.. That stems directly from GB, himself.. He initially believed that Joann had willingly left with Adam and took to his Facebook pleading for her to come back and "they could work it out".. His believing this also is why we saw no amber alert until a week later..

So, IMO there is absolutely every reason in the world for why there has been a level of confusion.. With what is known and the situations at play here there is A LOT TO SORT THROUGH TO GET TO WHAT'S FACT AND WHAT'S FICTION..jmo..


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SailorMoon
05-09-2012, 05:56 PM
Again.. Teresa told LE the entire motive was to kidnap THE TWO YOUNGEST BAIN DAUGHTERS!!!!!


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Geeze - this is like poor Shasta Groene's family.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 05:57 PM
Looking at the affidavit, it appears, like I mentioned, that Joann was killed in the garage, and the older daughter somewhere else AND not in the garage, and appears it was at the same residence.

I think it means TM did not actually witness the daughters murder but it did happen at the residence. Still possible it was in the garage but TM just saw her dead and did not see it happen.

Seek&Find
05-09-2012, 05:57 PM
Things are confusing reading the affidavit and news articles about what the affadavit states. :crazy:

Yeah, as we know, MSM is like that. I try to grab the original sources when I can/have the time. Wmctv has a section dedicated to the search for the girls with articles and affidavits together here (http://www.wmctv.com/story/18186309/wife-and-mother-of-suspected-kidnapper-arrested-and-charged).

Just trying to help. We're moving so fast, if something inaccurate gets posted, it's carried forward on a tidal wave, and I know all of us are just searching for these girls and the truth.

okiedokietoo
05-09-2012, 05:58 PM
Per the affidavit Here (http://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/affidavitagainstadamteresamayes.pdf), Adrienne was also killed at the residence.

absolutely right - guess we need to stick to official info release from LE and reliable sources. But how to discern reliable sources from rumor?

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 05:58 PM
Does RN show up on AM's FB page?

Hope32
05-09-2012, 05:59 PM
I wonder if this what all the LE attention was on earlier. I bet this guy was hiding him at some point.

it was stated on the help find them page (posted somewhere up thread sorry) that they were thinking there was a mole on the page giving him information.. maybe this was what the arrest was for?? Guess we will have to see when it comes out.. Or completely unrelated????

winterrose
05-09-2012, 05:59 PM
Another ARREST!
A neighbor
http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

Offender Name: RICHARD CREATON NORMAN
Offender ID:
2010050520
Date of Birth:
10/27/1964
Age:
47
Race:
White
Gender:
Male

Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Rankin County Sheriff's Department

I wonder if he violated a probation, because he was in the Mississippi Dept of Corrections before.

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 06:00 PM
Rumor from friend of friend of relative of the Bain's, so take it with a grain of salt or two...

AM drugged them (not sure if all or just parents) in their own home. Apparently, the mother woke up and began to fight, so he strangled her. Then, the oldest daughter woke up, doing the same, and he strangled her, too. Mayes also believes the youngest is his.

The above rumor/theory looks as good as any I have seen posted, and it fits the official reports (although emphasis is different).

I can believe that the goal was the abduction of the two youngest, and the two deaths were NOT planned.

Hope32
05-09-2012, 06:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Jo-Ann-Thompson-Bain-and-Girls/383639408343945?filter=1

per the find jo ann page on facebook.. it says he could be driving a white Oldsmobile.. this was a shared link to a news channels page btw

Maybe his neighbor that was arrested gave it to him

Eileen730
05-09-2012, 06:02 PM
Per Link (http://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/affidavitagainstadamteresamayes.pdf), the plan was to abduct the younger two girls.

Well i think the plan was all 4 but he only wanted the two youngest girls
This is why 2 are dead now!

In one of the links it says this was all planned take all 4 but he only wanted the 2

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 06:03 PM
From local tv action news 5.. The sister of TM stated that Adam had an unhealthy obsession with one of the Bains daughters.


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Cazzie
05-09-2012, 06:04 PM
Does RN show up on AM's FB page?
IDK, and his FB was taken down very recently.

katydid23
05-09-2012, 06:06 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/09/mayes-neighbor-says-suspect-wanted-viagra
"Police say Adam Mayes is on the run and wanted for double murder and the kidnapping of two young girls. Now a neighbor reveals that the suspect wanted to buy Viagra from him and that the victims were at Mayes' home "all the time."

Viagra???? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 06:07 PM
From action news 5.. According to Terry Dycus, private atty for Mary Mayes says that both women are in fear for the two girls that are with Adam..

Yea after TM has been saying they weren't in fear of Adam and he'd not harm them. Now we hear this!!


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SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 06:09 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Jo-Ann-Thompson-Bain-and-Girls/383639408343945?filter=1

per the find jo ann page on facebook.. it says he could be driving a white Oldsmobile.. this was a shared link to a news channels page btw

Maybe his neighbor that was arrested gave it to him

I read on a news site post that they think when he left the store he bought the drink at he may have gotten into a white car.

SurfieTX
05-09-2012, 06:09 PM
I wonder if this what all the LE attention was on earlier. I bet this guy was hiding him at some point.

And "the mole?"

Quester
05-09-2012, 06:11 PM
Wasn’t there a report that JB and AB’s appearances (insinuating hair color, length change like believed with younger girls) were altered? My memory may be faulty.

If so, when would this have happened? post-mortem to give impression they were on board with the departure from the B household?

???

SurfieTX
05-09-2012, 06:15 PM
In the Facebook pictures of AM, you can see him wearing one of these as a necklace (the feather earrings). He is also wearing a necklace in the latest surveillance video, but unsure what it is:

http://paintedcornersranch.weebly.com/handcrafted-jewelry.html

Seek&Find
05-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Looking at the affidavit, it appears, like I mentioned, that Joann was killed in the garage, and the older daughter somewhere else AND not in the garage, and appears it was at the same residence.

For clarity's sake, the affidavit states Adrienne was murdered at the residence, it does not specify where. Could've been the garage, we don't know.


Someone mentioned a silenced gun as the murder weapon. Just thinking that would've probably left too big a mess that GB would've found. Instead he thought they'd left, initially, so IMO whatever method it was, it wasn't messy or they contained/cleaned the mess.

epiphany
05-09-2012, 06:16 PM
During the interview, Teresa also stated that Adam Mayes' plan was to kidnap the two younger girls. The murders of Jo Ann and Adrienne were directly part of the kidnapping.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18242709/fbi-will-hold-news-conference-regarding-missing-bain-girls-at-2-pm

okiedokietoo
05-09-2012, 06:16 PM
From action news 5.. According to Terry Dycus, private atty for Mary Mayes says that both women are in fear for the two girls that are with Adam..

Yea after TM has been saying they weren't in fear of Adam and he'd not harm them. Now we hear this!!


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we knew, from past experience, that the defense junk was coming - we have to ignore it this time, lesson learned and focus on the two girls. Having said that it still makes me mad. Bet mother and wife are trying to talk up a storm to LE to try and get deal - re:TM talking now, too little too late - it's all so disturbing. I just pray LE gets him d or a and the girls are ok

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 06:17 PM
And "the mole?"

Yeah. That is a jaw dropper!!!

KelliKat
05-09-2012, 06:18 PM
Can confirm that the Bain's appear to have been residing in Arizona until 2011; here is a website for the "ranch" they were operating:

http://paintedcornersranch.weebly.com/sales-list.html

Yet on this page, it appears they were in Tennessee in 2010. Looks like a lot of indecision on where to reside:

http://paintedcorners.jigsy.com/

Hello! I am a little confused by why she would go by Jodie and Jo Ann? Does anyone have any incite into this? Thank you.

Cazzie
05-09-2012, 06:18 PM
Wasn’t there a report that JB and AB’s appearances (insinuating hair color, length change like believed with younger girls) were altered? My memory may be faulty.

If so, when would this have happened? post-mortem to give impression they were on board with the departure from the B household?

???
think that was a misunderstanding...JMO.

Eileen730
05-09-2012, 06:19 PM
During the interview, Teresa also stated that Adam Mayes' plan was to kidnap the two younger girls. The murders of Jo Ann and Adrienne were directly part of the kidnapping.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18242709/fbi-will-hold-news-conference-regarding-missing-bain-girls-at-2-pm

thanks for the link i knew i read it somwhere!

raeann
05-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Hello! I am a little confused by why she would go by Jodie and Jo Ann? Does anyone have any incite into this? Thank you.

It's just a nickname...I have an Aunt Joanne that also goes by Jody to friends and family, too.

jmo

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 06:22 PM
http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/2/8d/6b/Richard-Norman_mugshot.140x140.jpg

This is from a previous arrest.

Richard Norman
Booking No: 163313

Name:: RICHARD NORMAN
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Date of Birth: 10/27/1964
Height: 5′ 11″ (1.80 m)
Weight: 170 lb (77 kg)
Complexion: N/A
Build: N/A
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Entry Date: N/A

Location: CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI COUNTY JAIL
Unit: RANKIN CJ
Location Change Date: 4/12/2012 at 12:00
Number of Sentences: 1
Total Length: N/A

Charges:
Offense: FALSE PRETENSE
Sentence Length: 3 YEARS
County of Conviction: RANKIN
Sentence Date
Tentative Release

Mugshots.com ID: 7708170

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Mississippi/Rankin-County-MS/Richard-Norman.7708170/details/

susan1122
05-09-2012, 06:25 PM
Hello! I am a little confused by why she would go by Jodie and Jo Ann? Does anyone have any incite into this? Thank you.

Jodie is her nickname.....

okiedokietoo
05-09-2012, 06:26 PM
rumor or bogus or true?
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Relative-Kidnap-suspect-claimed-girls-were-his-3544625.php

Mayes' mother-in-law told The Associated Press he thought he might be the girls' father and it caused trouble in the marriage to her daughter, who's jailed in the case.

"She was tired of him doting on those two little girls that he claimed were his," Josie Tate said in an exclusive phone interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday.


Is the "she" TM? was she more involved in the planned kidnapping and murders than we know?

tehcloser
05-09-2012, 06:26 PM
http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/2/8d/6b/Richard-Norman_mugshot.140x140.jpg

This is from a previous arrest.

Richard Norman
Booking No: 163313

Name:: RICHARD NORMAN
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Date of Birth: 10/27/1964
Height: 5′ 11″ (1.80 m)
Weight: 170 lb (77 kg)
Complexion: N/A
Build: N/A
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Entry Date: N/A

Location: CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI COUNTY JAIL
Unit: RANKIN CJ
Location Change Date: 4/12/2012 at 12:00
Number of Sentences: 1
Total Length: N/A

Charges:
Offense: FALSE PRETENSE
Sentence Length: 3 YEARS
County of Conviction: RANKIN
Sentence Date
Tentative Release

Mugshots.com ID: 7708170

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Mississippi/Rankin-County-MS/Richard-Norman.7708170/details/

Who is this? How does he connect........I'm behind. TIA.

Alisha8191
05-09-2012, 06:27 PM
Breaking news in Memphis -- Teresa Mayes charged with first degree murder. Reports say Jo Ann Bain and Adrienne Bain killed by Adam Mayes in garage next to their home in Whiteville, their bodies driven to Mississippi by his wife. http://www.wmctv.com/story/18242709/fbi-will-hold-news-conference-regarding-missing-bain-girls-at-2-pm

In the link above it says AM's father is in New Albany, Ms.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 06:29 PM
False Pretense is a crime involving obtaining some object of value or money from another person (companies / corporations are usually included in the definition of "person"). The person from whom the object of value or money was obtained must have been moved to transfer the object or money because of an untruth or lie. Mississippi courts have said that the essence of the crime of false pretense is "lying and cheating".

False pretense is criminalized under Mississippi Code Section 97-19-39. It can be charged as a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the value of that is at stake.

SurfieTX
05-09-2012, 06:30 PM
Who is this? How does he connect........I'm behind. TIA.

4:18 p.m. - A man named Richard Norman who lives in Union County near the home Adam Mayes was living in was taken into custody by U.S. Marshals according to a neighbor.

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

palaminodee
05-09-2012, 06:30 PM
And "the mole?"

On the FindJBandGirls FB page today; the moderator asked everyone not to post where LE is investigating (as in your sitings of lots of LE vehicles, helicopters etc...). She said they believe there is a "mole" feeding info to AM as to what is being reported on FB and in the news.

SurfieTX
05-09-2012, 06:31 PM
On the FindJBandGirls FB page today; the moderator asked everyone not to post where LE is investigating (as in your sitings of lots of LE vehicles, helicopters etc...). She said they believe there is a "mole" feeding info to AM as to what is being reported on FB and in the news.

Yeah, Richard.

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 06:32 PM
Who is this? How does he connect........I'm behind. TIA.

Teh he was just arrested

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 06:34 PM
Another ARREST!
A neighbor
http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

Interesting from that same article:

FBI press conference: Haven't completed autopsies yet. Don't know cause of death for Bain mom, daughter.

Which means WHAT? That the bodily harm was so extreme they don't yet know which blow was the fatal one? For either victim?

Sounds messy.

Also noted:

FBI press conference: We can not discuss any info about #Mayes last cell communications.


At least we have confirmation he did have a cell. We thought so because he posted to FB via Android.

Portabella
05-09-2012, 06:35 PM
When all is said and done, I wonder how many players there are going to be involved/arrested in this....This is unreal....:(

katydid23
05-09-2012, 06:35 PM
What I can't get over is this: how can 2 people be killed in the garage, the bodies loaded into a car with two additional children (who must have been in a panic) also loaded into the car.... silently? Without even a whisper? I thought GB was sleeping and his eldest daughter was also in the house, along with her child? AND NOBODY HEARD ANYTHING at all????

Maybe he drugged everyone the night before so he could get them out before anyone woke up.

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 06:36 PM
I'm not sure how LE and FBI would do this but I wonder if the press conference was to flush out the "mole"?

winterrose
05-09-2012, 06:36 PM
RN was taken into custody by US Marshalls, not local LE, interesting.

sonicfanaticsmommy
05-09-2012, 06:38 PM
How do people like this exist, let alone multiple people who flock together to do such heinous things? I just can't fathom that :(

I think the girls were probably still in school in TN - even though they changed locations on their FBs - mainly bc GB is NOT suspected of anything in this case, and he wouldn't say he thought they weren't in school if they weren't still attending. They could have taken some absences to help move/settle in/register for school in AZ, etc, but that doesn't mean they weren't still in school in TN.

I hope so badly that Alexandria and Kyliyah are found safe and sound. Their daddy needs them and they deserve to live the rest of their lives!

As for the Mayes family and the neighbor.... ROT! The world doesn't need scummy people like you!

Patty G
05-09-2012, 06:40 PM
Yeah, as we know, MSM is like that. I try to grab the original sources when I can/have the time. Wmctv has a section dedicated to the search for the girls with articles and affidavits together here (http://www.wmctv.com/story/18186309/wife-and-mother-of-suspected-kidnapper-arrested-and-charged).

Just trying to help. We're moving so fast, if something inaccurate gets posted, it's carried forward on a tidal wave, and I know all of us are just searching for these girls and the truth.

I so appreciate your help. :blowkiss:

What happened is when I posted, it was in response to a member indicating both were killed in the garage. This is how is all started with trying to indicate they both weren't killed in the garage.

It so hard to write this sort of stuff, knowing what happened, what is still happening and if the two precious, beautiful young girls will be found safe. :cry:

rotterdam
05-09-2012, 06:45 PM
we knew, from past experience, that the defense junk was coming - we have to ignore it this time, lesson learned and focus on the two girls. Having said that it still makes me mad. Bet mother and wife are trying to talk up a storm to LE to try and get deal - re:TM talking now, too little too late - it's all so disturbing. I just pray LE gets him d or a and the girls are ok

I am keeping up hope that the two girls are still alive. He went thru the trouble, apparently, of cutting and dying their hair. If he was planning to murder them in the very near future, he would not have gone thru that trouble IMO. It was reported though that two suffered from asthma, do not know which two. That is scary,however, if there are no inhalers available. Are inhalers an over the counter item? And if he is a druggie/alcoholic, I also assume he will try to get more drugs/alcohol. With nobody having spotted him for a while, is very disturbing though.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 06:46 PM
rumor or bogus or true?
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Relative-Kidnap-suspect-claimed-girls-were-his-3544625.php


Is the "she" TM? was she more involved in the planned kidnapping and murders than we know?

I lean towards thinking TM is very much more involved than we know. I won't be the slightest bit shocked if we learn she had a direct hand in the murders.

The fact that other neighbours note that she would frequently go into screaming fits at AM points to both instability - and possibly that she wasn't always being controlled, but could possibly be controlling.

I have a hunch that as this plays out, her anger and resentment will prove to be part of motive. Maybe not for the kidnapping, but very possibly for JB's murder specifically.

mysteriew
05-09-2012, 06:47 PM
I'm new to this case and was confused as to the relationships of the principals. I found this article from the 7th and thought I would post it in case others need it. It does describe the relationship and some family history. The article is from the period of the bodies being found but not identified.



A man accused of abducting a mother and her three daughters was a family friend described as being like an uncle to the girls.

snip....Jo Ann Bain's husband Gary and Mayes knew each other, Tennessee authorities said.

Mayes "thought the world of those little girls," observed Melvin Herron, 42, who lives next door to the Bain family in western Tennessee and recalled seeing the girls playing outside, running and going down water slides.

snip....Mayes and Gary Bain had long been acquainted, having once been married to sisters. Helm said he was viewed as an uncle.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57429206/alleged-kidnapper-of-tenn-mom-3-girls-was-friend/

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 06:48 PM
When all is said and done, I wonder how many players there are going to be involved/arrested in this....This is unreal....:(


Too bleeping many! Not only unreal; it's hard to fathom that evil is so contagious.

Seek&Find
05-09-2012, 06:49 PM
rumor or bogus or true?
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Relative-Kidnap-suspect-claimed-girls-were-his-3544625.php


Is the "she" TM? was she more involved in the planned kidnapping and murders than we know?

And there's this from above link:


In an earlier interview, Tate's daughter Bobbi Booth said Teresa Mayes suspected her husband was having an affair with Jo Ann Bain.

Info seems dubious to me. Wife (TM) is mad he dotes on the two youngest, so she helps him kidnap them? If TM thought there was an affair and didn't like the attention paid to the two girls, wouldn't them moving away be a good thing? Not sure if these relatives are really in the know, just hearing family/ town rumors, or wanting 15 minutes.

Hoping the two girls are rescued shortly, Adam is captured or killed trying to escape, and we hear the whole story. So sad. It can be so easy to trust the wrong people, even for years.

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 06:49 PM
Go back to the video in the store with AM. You'll notive AM looking behind him and looking at "someone" or something in the store. Then you'll see another man appear after the little girl. He is wearing a black T-shirt and beige ball cap. He appears to be nervous. Does this man look like RN to anyone beside me?

sonicfanaticsmommy
05-09-2012, 06:50 PM
Inhalers definitely aren't OTC. There are some home "remedies" that could be tried if one of the girls had an attack, but I doubt AM knows how or even has access to what he would need for that, since he's on the run with them...

But, my son has bad allergies which cause asthmatic symptoms sometimes. He's never had an actual attack, he just gets wheezy. He needs his inhaler when he's wheezy, but he's not in extreme distress, KWIM? Hopefully the girls' asthma is similar in this instance.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 06:50 PM
RN looks so familiar!

katydid23
05-09-2012, 06:51 PM
I am keeping up hope that the two girls are still alive. He went thru the trouble, apparently, of cutting and dying their hair. If he was planning to murder them in the very near future, he would not have gone thru that trouble IMO. It was reported though that two suffered from asthma, do not know which two. That is scary,however, if there are no inhalers available. Are inhalers an over the counter item? And if he is a druggie/alcoholic, I also assume he will try to get more drugs/alcohol. With nobody having spotted him for a while, is very disturbing though.

Do we have confirmation that it was for sure the girls whose hair was cut and dyed? because we now know that he dyed and cut his own hair. So maybe they just saw that evidence and assumed he did the girls hair as well. ?

Anna1964
05-09-2012, 06:51 PM
http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/2/8d/6b/Richard-Norman_mugshot.140x140.jpg

This is from a previous arrest.

Richard Norman
Booking No: 163313

Name:: RICHARD NORMAN
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Date of Birth: 10/27/1964
Height: 5′ 11″ (1.80 m)
Weight: 170 lb (77 kg)
Complexion: N/A
Build: N/A
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Entry Date: N/A

Location: CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI COUNTY JAIL
Unit: RANKIN CJ
Location Change Date: 4/12/2012 at 12:00
Number of Sentences: 1
Total Length: N/A

Charges:
Offense: FALSE PRETENSE
Sentence Length: 3 YEARS
County of Conviction: RANKIN
Sentence Date
Tentative Release

Mugshots.com ID: 7708170

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Mississippi/Rankin-County-MS/Richard-Norman.7708170/details/

Sorry to ask, but is this the neighbor? In Mississippi?

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 06:52 PM
In the Facebook pictures of AM, you can see him wearing one of these as a necklace (the feather earrings). He is also wearing a necklace in the latest surveillance video, but unsure what it is:

http://paintedcornersranch.weebly.com/handcrafted-jewelry.html

Necklace in AM twitter profile picture may match child's jewelry

https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1837448388/s2SvcbrU

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 06:52 PM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18242709/fbi-will-hold-news-conference-regarding-missing-bain-girls-at-2-pm


Shortly after the news conference, Chopper 5 spotted a camouflage tent set up deep in the woods in Union County. When Chopper 5 alerted authorities, they sent heavily armed officers into the woods to investigate. There is no word on what, if anything, the officers found in the tent, or whether it is connected to the case.

This is just one example of how officers are taking all leads seriously and checking every single one that comes is reported to them.

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 06:52 PM
The school thing is still very questionable.. It's been stated that they HAD ALREADY MOVED TO ARIZONA AND THAT FAMILY FB SHOWED SPRING SCHOOL PIX OF THE GIRLS FROM THEIR SCHOOL IN ARIZONA.. They'd already moved to Arizona and were only home for funeral..


____________________...
Posting via mobile as well as via tablet so plz forgive all typos.. Btwn the sucky touch keyboard and the obsessive auto-correct it's a big ol' mess :crazy:

That was bad reporting, those pics were taken in 2009. They had lived there but had moved back.

Eileen730
05-09-2012, 06:53 PM
RN looks so familiar!

I thought so too!
but from where?

epiphany
05-09-2012, 06:53 PM
Snipped

Tate described her daughter as a slow learner who spent her school life in special education. Teresa Mayes was also incapable of having her own children, she said.

Snipped

Mayes' mother-in-law told The Associated Press that Mayes thought he might be the girls' father and it caused trouble in the marriage to her daughter, who's jailed in the case.

"She was tired of him doting on those two little girls that he claimed were his," Josie Tate said in an exclusive phone interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday. In an earlier interview, Tate's daughter Bobbi Booth said Teresa Mayes suspected her husband was having an affair with Jo Ann Bain.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Relative-Kidnap-suspect-claimed-girls-were-his-3544625.php

Cazzie
05-09-2012, 06:53 PM
from this link already posted:

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right


Mayes' mother-in-law, who lives in Chatsworth, Ga., said she's known him for 25 years but didn't approve of him because his family never seemed to stay in one place and he couldn't hold down a job.
"Teresa's father and I begged her: 'Do not marry him, do not go off with him, do not live with him," she said.
Tate described her daughter as a slow learner who spent her school life in special education. Teresa Mayes was also incapable of having her own children, she said.The bolded is something I had wondered about...could have caused problems in AM/TM marriage.

Her sister and mother seem to be on the same page about TM being a slow learner. Not surprising, but maybe it's true. The "school life in special education" can possibly be verified.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 06:55 PM
I thought so too!
but from where?

Not sure, but when I saw him, I thought, I have seen that face before. Maybe a RSO, and that is a BIG "maybe".

Seek&Find
05-09-2012, 06:59 PM
Inhalers definitely aren't OTC. There are some home "remedies" that could be tried if one of the girls had an attack, but I doubt AM knows how or even has access to what he would need for that, since he's on the run with them...

But, my son has bad allergies which cause asthmatic symptoms sometimes. He's never had an actual attack, he just gets wheezy. He needs his inhaler when he's wheezy, but he's not in extreme distress, KWIM? Hopefully the girls' asthma is similar in this instance.

Since the girls went to his house often, there could've been spare inhalers at his home already, or as they planned the abductions, he could've kept a couple if they were sent back & forth with the girls. I can't imagine what the endgame was here for AM/TM/MM with the girls...unfortunately, there are indications of what was on AM's mind, but what did TM/MM expect to happen after the abduction? And, clearly TM wasn't truthful with her sis when all she originally said was she saw him digging a hole. I hope the charges frighten them enough to tell everything and to come up with valuable info that will lead to AM.

Eileen730
05-09-2012, 07:02 PM
Not sure, but when I saw him, I thought, I have seen that face before. Maybe a RSO, and that is a BIG "maybe".

I do not know!
But it hit me that way also!

when i looked i said to myself i saw this guy before!

Eileen730
05-09-2012, 07:04 PM
Since the girls went to his house often, there could've been spare inhalers at his home already, or as they planned the abductions, he could've kept a couple if they were sent back & forth with the girls. I can't imagine what the endgame was here for AM/TM/MM with the girls...unfortunately, there are indications of what was on AM's mind, but what did TM/MM expect to happen after the abduction? And, clearly TM wasn't truthful with her sis when all she originally said was she saw him digging a hole. I hope the charges frighten them enough to tell everything and to come up with valuable info that will lead to AM.

One could have been in JB's car or her purse!
Or one in both places!

JMO

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 07:05 PM
I'm still on pg 18, can someone clarify for me please? Are they now saying that they were killed at JB's home?

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Go back to the video in the store with AM. You'll notive AM looking behind him and looking at "someone" or something in the store. Then you'll see another man appear after the little girl. He is wearing a black T-shirt and beige ball cap. He appears to be nervous. Does this man look like RN to anyone beside me?

With "Game Over" t shirt?

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 07:07 PM
I do not know!
But it hit me that way also!

when i looked i said to myself i saw this guy before!

Look upthread! Another poster said he looked like the man behind the little girl who was behind AM in the jiffy store video!

I have to go look now too! OMG if this pans out!


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SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 07:08 PM
Does anyone have a link to the video? Last time I tried to deviate from this page I barely got back on.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:08 PM
Per Jane Show:

Convenince store employee indicates Adam bought a coke and Adam cut off his pony tail because he it was too hot.

Adam very polite, pleasant and quiet is his normal character.

palaminodee
05-09-2012, 07:09 PM
from this link already posted:

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

The bolded is something I had wondered about...could have caused problems in AM/TM marriage.

Her sister and mother seem to be on the same page about TM being a slow learner. Not surprising, but maybe it's true. The "school life in special education" can possibly be verified.

FOX news Memphis reports TM has a special ed high school diploma and took care of AM's disabled father...

From two good sources I understand he is not well.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 07:09 PM
Ok, with Mayes being put on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list, $175,000 now in reward leading directly to his arrest, and hundreds of officers involved in this manhunt - I can't help but hope that means he'll be caught SOON, and the girls returned SAFELY.

I think AM's ability to run will soon hit it's 'best before' date. WTH kind of life does he now imagine he can give the girls, on the off chance that he does really care about them? A life on the run while they're missing their sister, Mom & Dad?

I hope those little girls did get to hear the FBI guy speaking directly to them to let them know everyone is working hard to bring them home safely. They must be terrified. And that might give them hope.

Cazzie
05-09-2012, 07:09 PM
I'm still on pg 18, can someone clarify for me please? Are they now saying that they were killed at JB's home?
Yes, per latest affidavit (link should be in post# 1).

Jo Ann in the garage, Adrienne "at that location" (context implies "at that address").

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 07:10 PM
I'm still on pg 18, can someone clarify for me please? Are they now saying that they were killed at JB's home?

Yes, per the latest affidavit for Teresa's added charges.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:10 PM
Per Store Employee on the phone with Jane:

The cops checked the video from the store and Adam got into a white car. White Oldsmobile Alero, Four Door with a Blue License Plate with "Ole Miss" on it.

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 07:10 PM
white oldsmobile alero, 4 door, blue licence plate, says "old miss' on it.

JVM per the clerk

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:12 PM
Adrienne's High School Guidance Counselor on the phone with Jane.

dotr
05-09-2012, 07:13 PM
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=80019
"Mayes' mother Mary and his wife Teresa have since been arrested. Authorities believe the duo worked with Adam Mayes to take Jo Ann and her daughters from their home in Tennessee to Mississippi.

Cops say Teresa and Mary both confessed during a police interview that on April 27, they witnessed Mayes digging holes in Mary's backyard -- the location where the bodies of Jo Ann and Adrienne were found. Cops say Teresa also told authorities that she was there when Adam killed Jo Ann and Adrienne in the garage of the Bain home in Tennessee.

Authorities say Teresa also admitted that the plan was to kidnap Kyliyah and Alexandria. Authorities believe the two girls are with Mayes.

Mary Mayes has been charged with conspiracy to commit especially aggravated kidnapping, and Teresa is charged with committing especially aggravated kidnapping.

Adam Mayes is considered to be armed and dangerous, and has been added to the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

If you have any information regarding the whereabouts of Adam Mayes, call our hotline right away at 1-800-CRIME-TV.




Wanted For:
Especially Aggravated Kidnapping , Whiteville , TN ; Apr 27, 2012
Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution , Whiteville , TN ; Apr 27, 2012
First Degree Murder , Whiteville , TN ; Apr 27, 2012
(Information valid as of May 9, 2012) "

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:13 PM
Counselor knew Adrienne from the ball-field and didn't have many conversations with her and no family conversations ever took place.

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 07:15 PM
With "Game Over" t shirt?

Yes, watch his actions.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:16 PM
I am wondering if RN is the owner of the White Oldsmobile and maybe that is why he was arrested and charged with "False Pretense."

ETA: Charges were OLD charges.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 07:17 PM
Adrienne's High School Guidance Counselor on the phone with Jane.

That answers another question, the counselor is at the Tennessee school, so they were still in school in TN.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 07:17 PM
Does anyone have a link to the video? Last time I tried to deviate from this page I barely got back on.

Here it is on the FBI page:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/mayes_050912/mayes_050912

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 07:18 PM
Yes, per latest affidavit (link should be in post# 1).

Jo Ann in the garage, Adrienne "at that location" (context implies "at that address").

Gezzz just when you think you are getting the facts straight it all changes.

Please let this girls be alive and he gives them up safely:please:

dotr
05-09-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/09/relative-kidnap-suspect-claimed-girls-were-his/?ap
"Mayes' mother-in-law told The Associated Press that Mayes thought he might be the girls' father and it caused trouble in the marriage to her daughter, who's jailed in the case.

"She was tired of him doting on those two little girls that he claimed were his," Josie Tate said in an exclusive phone interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday. In an earlier interview, Tate's daughter Bobbi Booth said Teresa Mayes suspected her husband was having an affair with Jo Ann Bain.

Authorities refused to comment on the motive for the April 27 slayings and abductions at a Wednesday news conference"

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 07:21 PM
BTW, check the tags on threads when looking for specific resources. Mods and some posters on cases try to add tags for specific posts with things like the affidavits, videos, etc.

Makes searching for key case artefacts much easier. You can often find the # for a specific post to grab what you need.

mysteriew
05-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Background on Mayes
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=2&tc=pg

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 07:26 PM
I am wondering if RN is the owner of the White Oldsmobile and maybe that is why he was arrested and charged with "False Pretense."

I give up, who is RN?

I miss 5 hrs today and feel like I'm just now learning about the case.

Lava
05-09-2012, 07:26 PM
The guy in the video definetely looks like RN...but, its just not clear enough to tell for sure (plus hat and glasses!)

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 07:26 PM
Does anyone have a link to the video? Last time I tried to deviate from this page I barely got back on.

Word. Me too. For like a week now. :(


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bessie
05-09-2012, 07:33 PM
Here's an interview with Mayes' brother in Upstate, SC. Gives info about their mother.



Johnny Mayes II said his mother and Adam Mayes, the youngest of the Mayes children, had a close relationship.

“She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II, who described his brother as self-centered, egotistical and controlling, particularly with his parents.

“What I want people to know is that my brother has ties to this area, and if they see him, to call 911,” Johnny Mayes II said. “He could be anywhere, and somebody is going to have to put a stop to him.”
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=1&tc=pg

passionflower
05-09-2012, 07:34 PM
probably in his 'comfort zone'.........on JVM

Lava
05-09-2012, 07:35 PM
I give up, who is RN?

I miss 5 hrs today and feel like I'm just now learning about the case.

RN is a neighbor, arrested by US Marshalls today - unknown why.

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 07:35 PM
The guy in the video definetely looks like RN...but, its just not clear enough to tell for sure (plus hat and glasses!)

And I originally thought that little girl looked like her hair was super dark and not her real color, but then I read she was NOT one of the missing girls.


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Jezbel
05-09-2012, 07:35 PM
I think it is Mayes' neighbor

passionflower
05-09-2012, 07:35 PM
AM is wierd, unusual...........according to the sister in law and so is his family she says on JVM

Lava
05-09-2012, 07:36 PM
I am wondering if RN is the owner of the White Oldsmobile and maybe that is why he was arrested and charged with "False Pretense."

I think that is an old charge? Not the current one?

rotterdam
05-09-2012, 07:37 PM
Do we have confirmation that it was for sure the girls whose hair was cut and dyed? because we now know that he dyed and cut his own hair. So maybe they just saw that evidence and assumed he did the girls hair as well. ?

Just from being mentioned on NG. I know, not very reliable. On the other hand ,I do not think that the FBI would confirm this info, even if they would know the color of the hair dye/new length of hair. It could compromise the safety of the sisters IMO, and spook AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have information that he has altered the appearances of everybody, including himself, primarily from cutting their hair.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/08/ng.01.html

soyesterday
05-09-2012, 07:40 PM
Just from being mentioned on NG. I know, not very reliable. On the other hand ,I do not think that the FBI would confirm this info, even if they would know the color of the hair dye/new length of hair. It could compromise the safety of the sisters IMO, and spook AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have information that he has altered the appearances of everybody, including himself, primarily from cutting their hair.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/08/ng.01.html

But how would someone know that for sure? About all the girls?

passionflower
05-09-2012, 07:40 PM
so AM does drugs and drinks, so he will need these 2 things under stress of being a wanted man and with 2 little girls that I am sure by now are crying and wanting to go home. He is AGRESSIVE nd bets wife so I am VERT afraid for these little ones! @JVM
show and NG covering tonight

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:41 PM
Looks like Nancy's show will talk about the video tonight, that was released yesterday. :maddening:

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 07:42 PM
Looks like Nancy's show will talk about the video tonight, that was released yesterday. :maddening:

I changed the channel, learn more from you guys.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 07:43 PM
I think that is an old charge? Not the current one?

OOPS!!! :blushing: Better fix my post really quick!! Thank you.

pinkhistorybuff
05-09-2012, 07:44 PM
WMCTV mentioned they'd be dedicating a good portion of the 10:00 news to this case.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 07:44 PM
Background on Mayes
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=2&tc=pg

From your link talking about Mayes Mother : "She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II, who described his brother as self-centered, egotistical and controlling, particularly with his parents."

ETA: just noticed Bessie posted this already.

Ghostwheel
05-09-2012, 07:47 PM
There is a time line thread for links and known happenings. No discussion, but a great place to post links to stories and catch up!

Thank you HeinekenMan and nursebeeme.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171583Quoting myself again. If anyone has any good media links with LE released information or factual information (Especially with links), please post on the timeline thread to help people catch up.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 07:49 PM
where is AM father and why no mention of him while he lived with the parents???

mamamia54
05-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Quoting myself again. If anyone has any good media links with LE released information or factual information (Especially with links), please post on the timeline thread to help people catch up.

Gosh that would help a lot, because I'm so confused at this point who is who, it's not even funny. Thank you for suggesting it.

CharlestonGal
05-09-2012, 07:50 PM
But how would someone know that for sure? About all the girls?

Perhaps mom or wifey told LE that they and/or AM altered the girl's hair. Mom and wifey seem to have told LE quite a few of the details. I think the younger girls were at AM/TM/MM's trailer for a day or two (maybe more) after the kidnapping and murder. AM was seen at the convenience store May 1, which was 4 days after he dug the graves in his back yard. The girls had to be somewhere close by and I think mom and wifey know exactly where they were and I think they helped hide them and change their appearances.

I think mom and wifey are in this thing up to their necks and I think both of them are now going to great lengths to minimize their own roles in these heinous crimes. I would take anything either of them says with a huge pile of salt.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 07:50 PM
The guy in line behind AM could be RN. The cap and sunglasses make him look like someone who doesn't want to be recognised.

simlyme
05-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Here it is on the FBI page:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/mayes_050912/mayes_050912

They have everyone blurred out now except AM and the cashier.

Lava
05-09-2012, 07:51 PM
OOPS!!! :blushing: Better fix my post really quick!! Thank you.

This case is so confusing sometimes!

CharlestonGal
05-09-2012, 07:53 PM
where is AM father and why no mention of him while he lived with the parents???

According to LE, the father is currently in New Albany. They do not say where he was when the bodies were brought to the house and buried. LE has not (yet) said what AM's father's role in all this was. I won't be shocked if he is arrested as well.

CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 07:54 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

Anna1964
05-09-2012, 07:54 PM
I think that is an old charge? Not the current one?

This is the neighbor? Does anyone know if he has moved there recently?

Portabella
05-09-2012, 07:54 PM
"She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II

Mama Mayes sounds like a piece of work, she had all these children and that is some harsh words from her son. She did not care for any of her kids except Adam....OMG...

Cazzie
05-09-2012, 07:55 PM
Per goupstate.com link just previously posted...Johnny Mayes II, one of AM's brothers. says interesting things about both parents and family dynamics.

I wonder who (in AM's life and mind) would be the most likely person to be a "Voice of Reason" and get thru to him (via media, or if there's ever a direct "negotiation" opportunity)...

CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 07:56 PM
AM is wierd, unusual...........according to the sister in law and so is his family she says on JVM

Those in glass houses.....

Lava
05-09-2012, 07:56 PM
"She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II

Mama Mayes sounds like a piece of work, she had all these children and that is some harsh words from her son. She did not care for any of her kids except Adam....OMG...

Sigh...the more we learn the more this was like a disaster just waiting to happen. :banghead:

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 07:57 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing


It was not in the home it was in a garage detached from the house and in the back.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 07:58 PM
He's 6'3"

And, mods forgive me, he'd make one seriously ugly woman. I think he'd stick out more in drag than as a guy.


ETA I see we have a consensus on that fact. 3 posts in a row. Heh.

I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

~n/t~
05-09-2012, 07:58 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

And LE too. Did they not see something? Or maybe they did? Did they know Joann and Adrienne were already dead? If so, why wasn't the Amber Alert issued sooner? Why did they wait until the next day to publicize it.

Maybe I'm way behind and these questions have already been answered but I hear what you're saying. I have a lot of questions about the crime scene in TN and MS.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 07:58 PM
According to LE, the father is currently in New Albany. They do not say where he was when the bodies were brought to the house and buried. LE has not (yet) said what AM's father's role in all this was. I won't be shocked if he is arrested as well.

where is New Albany??

Honestly how could a woman (women) stay in a house with dead people in the back yard?
This creeps me out so much!

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:00 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

If they died of strangulation, there is no sound. I think GB is a victim in this and I feel so sorry for him. I think these are questions he is asking himself now and he is going to have to deal with that as well as bringing this monster into his family circle. I hope to God his support system is strong. I so hope they bring his little girls home to give him a reason to live, he needs them right now as much as they need him....IMHO

rotterdam
05-09-2012, 08:01 PM
But how would someone know that for sure? About all the girls?

May be from the things they found in the blue trailer or from TM and/or his mom.

It is mentioned here again

Investigators believe the younger girls are still alive, but Mayes may have changed their appearances by dying or cutting their hair.

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=1&tc=pg

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:02 PM
what are the LE doing with canisters??? in the back yard?
Is that footage of where the graves were?

sonicfanaticsmommy
05-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Based on the video I'd say AM is 190-200, not 175-230 or whatever LE has said.

~n/t~
05-09-2012, 08:03 PM
This case is what nightmares are made of. <shudder>


Those poor girls. Please God help LE find them. :please:

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:04 PM
Mother of AM sure has a mean look to her, JMOO

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:05 PM
How does NG know the mom was killed in the garage? Oh, her statement. Is the statement available online?

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 08:05 PM
New Albany, MS is about an hour and half south of Memphis and about 20miles north of Guntown, MS


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palaminodee
05-09-2012, 08:06 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

I agree; red flags are flying for me with all the belongings left behind etc...
I update my husband daily and he said the same thing you did..there must be more in the dynamics we do not know

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:06 PM
OMG she drove the bodies down with the other girls? Sorry, I've been following Tammi and Steve all day and am behind.

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:06 PM
This case is what nightmares are made of. <shudder>


Those poor girls. Please God help LE find them. :please:

Yes. Makes me think of the horrors of realizing what happened to Zahra

Lava
05-09-2012, 08:07 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

I really don't think there were any signs of a problem in the house. If there was in the garage, I'm not sure it was so obvious. If a murder occurred while I was sleeping in my garage, I can tell you I probably wouldn't have noticed until the afternoon when I do laundry - I don't go in there for any other reason. I think LE knows they were killed there because there was some slight evidence and/or TM told them.

GDUD
05-09-2012, 08:08 PM
It's actually New Albany, MS just a few miles fr his home where the 2 were found buried.. Have family in this entire Northeast region of Mississippi and its EXTREMELY densely wooded.. Very easy to hide and very difficult to search..



The issue tho is this.. The girls were no longer enrolled as students in TN.. They had moved to Tucson, AZ and the girls were enrolled and had been attending school in Tucson.. They were only back in TN for a funeral and were packing to head back to AZ where they'd moved to earlier and where all 3 daughters were attending school..

This is what makes no sense for the father to say he assumed all 3 girls were at school when he woke up??!! They no longer attended school in TN.. They went to school in AZ and were heading back to AZ some point soon thereafter the funeral.. Why would he say the girls were at school he thought?? That doesn't make sense at all??

So, it's that Issue that is being questioned.. HTH:)


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I wonder if they rented the place in TN that the mom and daughter were killed in and I wonder what their new address in AZ is. I don't think anyone has mentioned it. I am surprised their Real Estate agent for AZ hasn't spoken or their agent on the house in TN. Everyone is keeping quiet. No interviews from family, friends of the kids, clergy, or anyone. HMMMMM.

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 08:09 PM
Per goupstate.com link just previously posted...Johnny Mayes II, one of AM's brothers. says interesting things about both parents and family dynamics.

I wonder who (in AM's life and mind) would be the most likely person to be a "Voice of Reason" and get thru to him (via media, or if there's ever a direct "negotiation" opportunity)...

Sadly I think he has way crossed a line that a voice of reason can make a difference. One can only hope that the FBI resources can find him and find those girls alive. I will stop short of the sniper scenario because he needs to face Justice and general population for what he has done even if it costs taxpayer money to do so.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:09 PM
AM never held a job! NG TV show

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:09 PM
what are the LE doing with canisters??? in the back yard?
Is that footage of where the graves were?

Soil Samples...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n9_v62/ai_14538654/

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 08:10 PM
what are the LE doing with canisters??? in the back yard?
Is that footage of where the graves were?

Said they were taking soil samples..


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Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:11 PM
How does NG know the mom was killed in the garage? Oh, her statement. Is the statement available online?

The affidavit indicates the mother was killed in the garage.

sonicfanaticsmommy
05-09-2012, 08:11 PM
Neighbor saying AM wanted Viagra, but knew AM and TM didn't sleep in the same bed and everyone in the town knew that

CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 08:11 PM
If they died of strangulation, there is no sound. I think GB is a victim in this and I feel so sorry for him. I think these are questions he is asking himself now and he is going to have to deal with that as well as bringing this monster into his family circle. I hope to God his support system is strong. I so hope they bring his little girls home to give him a reason to live, he needs them right now as much as they need him....IMHO

I too see him as a victim , just really struggling with this issue. There were at least 6 people in that home. Strangling is not necessarily a quiet event. The house is not that large.

The only thing I can think of is he had all of them restrained in the garage already when he strangled them.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 08:13 PM
Thank you ng!!!

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:14 PM
Wife can't be to 'special needs' if she could drive a car with 2 dead bodies and 2 small girls ...........

CharlestonGal
05-09-2012, 08:15 PM
OMG she drove the bodies down with the other girls? Sorry, I've been following Tammi and Steve all day and am behind.

Yes, she did. She watched him murder them, helped load the bodies, then drove the live younger girls and the dead bodies to her house in MS, where she watched him bury them.

I hope she gets the death penalty right along with her POS husband.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:15 PM
Nancy's show apparently was taped before the 3:00 PM EDT FBI New Conference.

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 08:16 PM
To all those who are trying to catch up...this is a link that I think could help. It has been updated daily.

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 08:16 PM
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

I have read each and every word and letter of so many of your posts. You are a voice of reason, intelligence and so many of your posts are based on experience and education. To me you are a beautiful woman inside and out.

And no, I didn't miss the point of your post I have thought he could fade undercover as a woman, but I don't believe he has the guts to do so.

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 08:16 PM
But how would someone know that for sure? About all the girls?

Through TM they could know this.. She drove them to the home in MS and she was still there when the graves were dug I'd say she was around them for several days in which we know for certain that Adam had the drastic change .. Quite possibly the girls did as well at the same time.. Therefor TM would've been around for all of that(possibly even helped with the hair as well) and this is why LE are certain the girls appearance has in fact been altered as well..jmo


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CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 08:17 PM
Nancy's show apparently was taped before the 3:00 PM EDT FBI New Conference.

If one more guest suggests AM and JB were having an affair, I fear Nancy's head will explode

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 08:18 PM
This is my personal opinion but I have a hard time with what AM's mother-in -law is saying. I don't like it one bit. Just an intuition I have.

rotterdam
05-09-2012, 08:18 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

No, I do not think of it as odd. Very early in the case, LE thought that JB left willingly with AM. They must have gotten that impression from interviewing GB. Hence no Amber Alert for a while and no immediate detail searching of GB's home. GB must feel very horrible now.

palaminodee
05-09-2012, 08:19 PM
Neighbor saying AM wanted Viagra, but knew AM and TM didn't sleep in the same bed and everyone in the town knew that

The neighbor also said he drank a lot; was on drugs, no job, did basically nothing!

Wow; a double life in MS vs. hanging out with the Bains in TN??

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:19 PM
I too see him as a victim , just really struggling with this issue. There were at least 6 people in that home. Strangling is not necessarily a quiet event. The house is not that large.

The only thing I can think of is he had all of them restrained in the garage already when he strangled them.

Actually strangulation can be quite inaudible, not that I have ever seen anyone strangled...:( I have however cut down a couple of suicide attempts and the noise was very very minimal....IMHO

When you consider it happened in a shed/garage a good distance from the home and the others were inside the home, I can see they would not hear a thing. IMHO (only speculating on the strangulation).

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 08:19 PM
I have read each and every word and letter of so many of your posts. You are a voice of reason, intelligence and so many of your posts are based on experience and education. To me you are a beautiful woman inside and out.

Me too GrannieDu I agree.

2sharpe2
05-09-2012, 08:20 PM
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

GrainneDhu there are no ugly people in this world and I am sure you are truly beautiful..

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:20 PM
If one more guest suggests AM and JB were having an affair, I fear Nancy's head will explode

Thankfully I am not recording her show tonight because of this kind of stuff.

Heck, if AM and JB had a thing at one point, and for Nancy's head to explode over it ... well, hummm, better just say :censored:

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 08:21 PM
That's what I don't understand. His face is everywhere, this is on all the news stations. How is he not being seen?

He has to have help, that's the only thing I can think of. He has to be hiding out somewhere with help, or he's deep in a forest somewhere, living off the land. I think that would make it even harder to find him, unfortunately.

If he does have help, hopefully they will get greedy and want that money, so they'll give him up. Afterall, if they're helping him, they're already shady as all heck in my book.

BBM

Shades of Eric Rudolph. Took forever to capture him because he was living in the mountains and occasionally moving into town to dumpster dive in the middle of the night.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 08:21 PM
Yes, she did. She watched him murder them, helped load the bodies, then drove the live younger girls and the dead bodies to her house in MS, where she watched him bury them.

I hope she gets the death penalty right along with her POS husband.

Then she tells her sister in the phone conversation the day before she was arrested that JB was having an affair with AM. Her sister hadn't even talked to her in years. But now this rumor is getting spreaded around as if it's truth. I wouldn't believe a word TM said, she had just helped AM murder and kidnap them.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:21 PM
This is my personal opinion but I have a hard time with what AM's mother-in -law is saying. I don't like it one bit. Just an intuition I have.

what did she say? Hubby turned NG off...........

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:21 PM
If one more guest suggests AM and JB were having an affair, I fear Nancy's head will explode

In that case lets hope another guest suggests it....I am so naughty....

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 08:23 PM
Actually strangulation can be quite inaudible, not that I have ever seen anyone strangled...:( I have however cut down a couple of suicide attempts and the noise was very very minimal....IMHO

When you consider it happened in a shed/garage a good distance from the home and the others were inside the home, I can see they would not hear a thing. IMHO (only speculating on the strangulation).

I keep thinking strangulation would lead to scratches on AM. And he was interviewed by LE soon after.

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by GrainneDhu
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

Our face is our roadmap of our life, every line, every scar tells of our journey. I think your gorgeous darling....

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 08:24 PM
what did she say? Hubby turned NG off...........

Sorry Passion, it's in this article not on N.Grace

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

winterrose
05-09-2012, 08:25 PM
This is my personal opinion but I have a hard time with what AM's mother-in -law is saying. I don't like it one bit. Just an intuition I have.

Later I hope the Bain family addresses the slander said publicly with no proof and has a really good lawyer, just sayin.

mamamia54
05-09-2012, 08:26 PM
If one more guest suggests AM and JB were having an affair, I fear Nancy's head will explode

LOL, seriously, I thought the same thing.

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 08:27 PM
Ditto for me as well about GrainneDhu!! Your intelligent and insightful posts not to mention you and I's posts about handcuffs + the great outdoors to boot..:giggle: Your inner beauty resonates from within which without a doubt makes you both beautiful on the inside and out..


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passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:27 PM
If AM dresses like a woman and the girls as boys..............Robert Durst comes to mind.
Wonder what TV programs AM watched.

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 08:28 PM
"She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II

Mama Mayes sounds like a piece of work, she had all these children and that is some harsh words from her son. She did not care for any of her kids except Adam....OMG...

In my life experience, all the men I've met who were controlling egomaniac types, thinking the entire world should bow down and give them what they want whether they earned it or not, had held a special place with their mom who was usually colder to their siblings. I think that is one way to raise a psycho.

CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 08:28 PM
Actually strangulation can be quite inaudible, not that I have ever seen anyone strangled...:( I have however cut down a couple of suicide attempts and the noise was very very minimal....IMHO

When you consider it happened in a shed/garage a good distance from the home and the others were inside the home, I can see they would not hear a thing. IMHO (only speculating on the strangulation).

You ladies have convinced me that this shouldn't be of concern:silenced: Almost

Back to my primary concern, the safety of the two precious children.

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:31 PM
So he killed the two at their home in TN and Teresa helped drive him, the girls, and the bodies to his home in MO is that right? And his home where he buried the bodies is in Guntown? Is that right?

What town and date were the surveillance videos?

simlyme
05-09-2012, 08:31 PM
Something kept AM coming back.
JB & GB allowed him for years to be extensively involved with the children.
No, Im not saying ANYONE deserves what is going on or what has happened already, BUT, I'm seething! Is there a vent thread somewhere?

Mjskit
05-09-2012, 08:32 PM
So he killed the two at their home in TN and Teresa helped drive him, the girls, and the bodies to his home in MO is that right? And his home where he buried the bodies is in Guntown? Is that right?

What town and date were the surveillance videos?

BBM not MO but MS = Mississippi

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:33 PM
So he killed the two at their home in TN and Teresa helped drive him, the girls, and the bodies to his home in MO is that right? And his home where he buried the bodies is in Guntown? Is that right?

What town and date were the surveillance videos?

The question I have, is were the girls with Mom and Wifie while he was at this convenience store? If not ....I think he is hiding in plain sight in the area...IMHO

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:34 PM
Can anyone point me to the affidavit where TM says she saw him kill the two in the garage?

necco
05-09-2012, 08:34 PM
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

In my experience, no one who thinks they are ugly are. In fact, they are some of the most beautiful souls that walk the earth. To be truly ugly, one must be evil and evil people don't know it.

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 08:35 PM
No, I do not think of it as odd. Very early in the case, LE thought that JB left willingly with AM. They must have gotten that impression from interviewing GB. Hence no Amber Alert for a while and no immediate detail searching of GB's home. GB must feel very horrible now.

Maybe one reason GB thought JB might have left him for AM is because he is 60 and AM is 35, JB was 31. Maybe he had a little insecurity that his wife might see something desirable about this guy, especially since AM put on such a good front of being super-nice, helpful, and great with the girls. I think plenty of husbands might begin to question if their wife could have left them for the bad-boy type on a motorcycle who is seemingly "good with kids". (Now I have to go wash my hands for typing that about POS Adam Mayes... ewwww.)

simlyme
05-09-2012, 08:35 PM
Can anyone point me to the affidavit where TM says she saw him kill the two in the garage?

http://files.wmctv.com/WEDTBaffidavit.pdf

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:35 PM
Something kept AM coming back.
JB & GB allowed him for years to be extensively involved with the children.
No, Im not saying ANYONE deserves what is going on or what has happened already, BUT, I'm seething! Is there a vent thread somewhere?

I have felt the same way with regards to JB and especially GB allowing AM to be so involved with the children. Most husbands do NOT like when another male is hanging around their home.

It makes me wonder about the common sense in the Bain family of adults, and also with the common sense of the Mayes family. JMO

ETA: Just read about AM being the uncle to GB's oldest daughter. Makes sense now why AM was at the house, or a way to be at the house all the time.

sijiazhentan
05-09-2012, 08:36 PM
Yes, that's GB in the background behind AM...in Arizona. Recent pic. http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/253557_215616091794652_100000387883698_720796_4999 796_n.jpg

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:38 PM
BBM not MO but MS = Mississippi

Thanks! That's what I meant!

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:38 PM
Can anyone point me to the affidavit where TM says she saw him kill the two in the garage?

IIRC, only the mother was killed in a garage, and the oldest daughter somewhere at the 8590 Whiteville-New Castle Road. Unless the affidavit has been updated very recently.

strawberry
05-09-2012, 08:39 PM
Sounds to me like he was obsessed with these girls and was not about to let them move to AZ

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:40 PM
Is 8590 Whiteville-New Castle Road the Bain address? Just trying to be clear with the address in the affidavit.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 08:41 PM
Something kept AM coming back.
JB & GB allowed him for years to be extensively involved with the children.
No, Im not saying ANYONE deserves what is going on or what has happened already, BUT, I'm seething! Is there a vent thread somewhere?

GB's oldest daughter, TB, is by GB's first wife, PJB.(AM's sister). So he's TB's biological Uncle, making that Mary Mayes the grandmother, unfortunately. So he's the three girl's step uncle and Mary the step grandmother.GB and AM worked on vehicles together and were close friends. It seems like they carried on that brother in law relationship.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:42 PM
Does AM have children of his own?
Said wife couldn't have children.
What about him with other women?
I know he thinks these 2 are his.
Maybe they are but has he fathered anyone else?

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 08:42 PM
It would be pretty obvious if a man, with two young girls were walking with a tent and/OR sleeping bags. Although, very possible, and they are walking through the woods carrying some sort of sleeping equipment and food, etc. to survive.

Eric Rudolph had at least three camps set up and local LE think he probably had more. He didn't need tents and he kept blankets, food, etc, cached at each camp.

If AM has a history of hunting, he could live pretty comfortably out there in the woods. At this time of year and that far south, theres plenty to eat out there if you know what you're doing. Easy enough to make a shelter and at this time of year, it is warm even at night.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 08:45 PM
Eric Rudolph had at least three camps set up and local LE think he probably had more. He didn't need tents and he kept blankets, food, etc, cached at each camp.

If AM has a history of hunting, he could live pretty comfortably out there in the woods. At this time of year and that far south, theres plenty to eat out there if you know what you're doing. Easy enough to make a shelter and at this time of year, it is warm even at night.

do we know if AM hunts? fishes? camps? he seems to be a bum, sheltered by mom. Can he do this with 2 little girls? This worries me.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:45 PM
Eric Rudolph had at least three camps set up and local LE think he probably had more. He didn't need tents and he kept blankets, food, etc, cached at each camp.

If AM has a history of hunting, he could live pretty comfortably out there in the woods. At this time of year and that far south, theres plenty to eat out there if you know what you're doing. Easy enough to make a shelter and at this time of year, it is warm even at night.

Wasn't he in hiding all alone though?

mamamia54
05-09-2012, 08:45 PM
Hmmm, he only purchased smokes and a can of coke at the convience store. Nothing for the girls. I don't even like the sound of that. Where would he be keeping them?

soyesterday
05-09-2012, 08:46 PM
Perhaps mom or wifey told LE that they and/or AM altered the girl's hair. Mom and wifey seem to have told LE quite a few of the details. I think the younger girls were at AM/TM/MM's trailer for a day or two (maybe more) after the kidnapping and murder. AM was seen at the convenience store May 1, which was 4 days after he dug the graves in his back yard. The girls had to be somewhere close by and I think mom and wifey know exactly where they were and I think they helped hide them and change their appearances.

I think mom and wifey are in this thing up to their necks and I think both of them are now going to great lengths to minimize their own roles in these heinous crimes. I would take anything either of them says with a huge pile of salt.

Ok duh....i didn't think of that. Obviously they would have known since they were involved.
Thanks.
Also, i think it's so strange....like way risky.....that Adam brought the girls back to his house to stay for a while. Cuz i would have thought that Gary would have gone to his good friend when he realized his family was missing.
Did Adam go over to Gary's house at all at the beginning when he first reported them missing or did Gary suspect Adam right away? I don't know that part i guess. I do know that they questioned him but then let him go though.
Ugh this is so frustrating :(

winterrose
05-09-2012, 08:47 PM
Did AM sell both motorcycles or do we know?

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 08:50 PM
Am I crazy to say BS on the denials... I believe that little girl behind AM in the surveillance video is Kyliyah and the guy behind her is nervous as heck in that hat and sunglasses, and is probably recently arrested neighbor RN? I just can't shake this hunch even as people swear she is unrelated to the case.

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:51 PM
Ok duh....i didn't think of that. Obviously they would have known since they were involved.
Thanks.
Also, i think it's so strange....like way risky.....that Adam brought the girls back to his house to stay for a while. Cuz i would have thought that Gary would have gone to his good friend when he realized his family was missing.
Did Adam go over to Gary's house at all at the beginning when he first reported them missing or did Gary suspect Adam right away? I don't know that part i guess. I do know that they questioned him but then let him go though.
Ugh this is so frustrating :(

You are amazing...that was just so in our face. Why why why would GB not go to his good buddies house if his wife and kids were missing...That my dear is a wonderful question. AM was supposed to be helping GB load and drive, wife goes missing....Kids were at his house for days.... Why didn't GB go there...now that is perplexing...HOLY COW.....IMHO

Peliman
05-09-2012, 08:52 PM
Eric Rudolph had at least three camps set up and local LE think he probably had more. He didn't need tents and he kept blankets, food, etc, cached at each camp.

If AM has a history of hunting, he could live pretty comfortably out there in the woods. At this time of year and that far south, theres plenty to eat out there if you know what you're doing. Easy enough to make a shelter and at this time of year, it is warm even at night.

Eric Rudolf also used to get food by going to dumpsters at food stores late at night and returning to the woods.

Lava
05-09-2012, 08:52 PM
Am I crazy to say BS on the denials... I believe that little girl behind AM in the surveillance video is Kyliyah and the guy behind her is nervous as heck in that hat and sunglasses, and is probably recently arrested neighbor RN? I just can't shake this hunch even as people swear she is unrelated to the case.

I'm not ruling it out completely. The only thing I've seen about the girl is a FB post saying someone recognized her, but I think that video is not clear enough to ruler her out completely. I definitely think that hair color was way too dark. I dye my hair black and there is a huge difference between BLACK and NATURAL BLACK.

tiredblondy
05-09-2012, 08:53 PM
Can anyone point me to the affidavit where TM says she saw him kill the two in the garage?

There is a link here to the affidavits.

http://www.djournal.com/view/full_story/18514013/article-UPDATE--FBI-puts-Adam-Mayes-on-FBI-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list?instance=home_news_right

Patty G
05-09-2012, 08:53 PM
The little girl in the video is not Kyliyah. It appears as though she pays for her own purchase.

susan1122
05-09-2012, 08:53 PM
Background on Mayes
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=2&tc=pg

Interesting.....thank you. JLM2 says his mother MM was cruel and abusive and has mental issues.

Lava
05-09-2012, 08:53 PM
You are amazing...that was just so in our face. Why why why would GB not go to his good buddies house if he is wife and kids were missing...That my dear is a wonderful question. AM was supposed to be helping GB load and drive, wife goes missing....Kids were at his house for days.... Why didn't GB go there...now that is perplexing...HOLY COW.....IMHO

wasn't it like 80 miles away?

Portabella
05-09-2012, 08:54 PM
I'm not ruling it out completely. The only thing I've seen about the girl is a FB post saying someone recognized her, but I think that video is not clear enough to ruler her out completely. I definitely think that hair color was way too dark. I dye my hair black and there is a huge difference between BLACK and NATURAL BLACK.

Cannot remember where I saw it, but MSM already addressed the speculation and it was confirmed by LE that this little girl is that of a teacher in Alpine. She is confirmed not to be one of the missing kids....

susan1122
05-09-2012, 08:55 PM
I'm not ruling it out completely. The only thing I've seen about the girl is a FB post saying someone recognized her, but I think that video is not clear enough to ruler her out completely. I definitely think that hair color was way too dark. I dye my hair black and there is a huge difference between BLACK and NATURAL BLACK.

I read yesterday, that it is not either KB or AB. The parents of the girl wanted her face blurred, for privacy.

palaminodee
05-09-2012, 08:58 PM
Cannot remember where I saw it, but MSM already addressed the speculation and it was confirmed by LE that this little girl is that of a teacher in Alpine. She is confirmed not to be one of the missing kids....

correct; she is a local; parent asked her image to be removed from the video

Dreamwallaby
05-09-2012, 08:58 PM
You are amazing...that was just so in our face. Why why why would GB not go to his good buddies house if he is wife and kids were missing...That my dear is a wonderful question. AM was supposed to be helping GB load and drive, wife goes missing....Kids were at his house for days.... Why didn't GB go there...now that is perplexing...HOLY COW.....IMHO

Also, why didn't LE send someone to AM's house? GB didn't realize the girls were missing until they didn't get off the bus. He thought JB was at school herself (or possibly left after they had a fight the night before) Did GB think it odd that his buddy who spent the night to help move wasn't there in the morning to help him move? When he did realize everyone was missing, I would think that LE would have wanted to send someone to AM's residence to check. Even if they thought she left voluntarily at that point, why wouldn't they send someone just to "lay eyes on her".

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 08:59 PM
I think the guy wearing the sunglasses and fidgeting made me more suspicious that she really is Kyliyah... maybe LE wanted to release the video so people would be more likely to recognize AM, but maybe they want AM to think they don't recognize that as Kyliyah (or his friend RN in the back) so as not give away how much they know? This video was taken one day BEFORE cops started searching for AM. It just really seems like if he walked in to a store he went to frequently, even with his new "disguise," and some other dude is wearing a hat and sunglasses *inside* the whole time he's in the store... and there is a little girl with seemingly dyed hair and a scared face... maybe this was taken as RN was giving him a ride outta Dodge? The very moment he was heading out on the run?

ETA: And yes, everyone keeps saying it is NOT Kyliyah or Alexandria. Based on the parents saying "hey that is our girl" or on her paying for her own purchase, or even LE saying "it's not her"... but at risk of seeming like a looney conspiracy theorist, I am personally thinking it IS her, regardless.

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 09:00 PM
In my experience, no one who thinks they are ugly are. In fact, they are some of the most beautiful souls that walk the earth. To be truly ugly, one must be evil and evil people don't know it.


Eric Rudolph had at least three camps set up and local LE think he probably had more. He didn't need tents and he kept blankets, food, etc, cached at each camp.

If AM has a history of hunting, he could live pretty comfortably out there in the woods. At this time of year and that far south, theres plenty to eat out there if you know what you're doing. Easy enough to make a shelter and at this time of year, it is warm even at night.

From the beginning of this case I felt he had a hideaway, but in retrospect a person who grew up in the woods, probably knows how to hunt and survive and could survive in the woods without a hideaway. I feel like thats why LE believes he could be in a designated radius nearby.

I say that because I spent many years in the Sierras. If I wanted to hide I could fish for trout, use fallen pine trees for cover, find an abandon cabin, recognize local berries on and on and I was a amateur.

That being said, if the girls are alive they may not know the dire straights they are in. I can only hope that is the case.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:00 PM
A man alone hiding in the wilderness can do most anything to survive. A man with two girls ages 8 & 12 would make it very difficult.

I am so concerned that AM is alone and trying to survive and I so hope I am wrong. :cry:

Dreamwallaby
05-09-2012, 09:00 PM
After the news conference today, News5 chopper spotted a camouflage tent set up deep in the woods in Union County. They alerted authorities, which sent heavily armed officers into the woods to investigate. There is no word on what they found in the tent. I'd say if it was, we would have heard already or maybe if it was we'll hear later.

If was just a random camper, he got the crap scared outta him for sure.

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 09:02 PM
Sorry for the double quote , meant to quote GrainneDhu

simlyme
05-09-2012, 09:02 PM
I have felt the same way with regards to JB and especially GB allowing AM to be so involved with the children. Most husbands do NOT like when another male is hanging around their home.

It makes me wonder about the common sense in the Bain family of adults, and also with the common sense of the Mayes family. JMO

ETA: Just read about AM being the uncle to GB's oldest daughter. Makes sense now why AM was at the house, or a way to be at the house all the time.

I agree, except with the last sentence, an uncle doesnt "need" to spend "ALL" that time with nieces or nephews. Unless,or maybe, if an uncle lives with the family and responsibly contributes to his family. But, Still...

Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:02 PM
I think the guy wearing the sunglasses and fidgeting made me more suspicious that she really is Kyliyah... maybe LE wanted to release the video so people would be more likely to recognize AM, but maybe they want AM to think they don't recognize that as Kyliyah (or his friend RN in the back) so as not give away how much they know? This video was taken one day BEFORE cops started searching for AM. It just really seems like if he walked in to a store he went to frequently, even with his new "disguise," and some other dude is wearing a hat and sunglasses *inside* the whole time he's in the store... and there is a little girl with seemingly dyed hair and a scared face... maybe this was taken as RN was giving him a ride outta Dodge? The very moment he was heading out on the run?

It appears that the FBI has the video from the store, since it was mentioned on Jane's show by the store owner. He indicated that the vehicle AM got into is a four-door White Oldsmobile. So they would know if the little girl is Kyliya, of which, I highly doubt it was her.

EGirl
05-09-2012, 09:03 PM
GB's oldest daughter, TB, is by GB's first wife, PJB.(AM's sister). So he's TB's biological Uncle, making that Mary Mayes the grandmother, unfortunately. So he's the three girl's step uncle and Mary the step grandmother.GB and AM worked on vehicles together and were close friends. It seems like they carried on that brother in law relationship.

How would Mary be the step grandmother of the three younger girls?

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 09:04 PM
Ok I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this case because I don't understand how everyone is related.

1. How exactly are Adam Mayes and Gary Bain connected? I have heard two different possibly contradictory stories. The first is that at one time Adam and Gary were married to a pair of sisters. The second is that Gary was married to Adam's sister Pamela. What are the names of Gary and Adam's previous wives?

2. Is Gary Bain the biological father of all 3 of these girls?

3. Is Jo Ann the biological mother of all 3 of these girls?

I keep seeing speculation that the eldest daughter is Gary's daughter with Adam's sister Pamela but I've also seen speculation that Adam is the father of the oldest daughter with Jo Ann (did they date as teenagers?) then I also see rumors that the two youngest daughters are Adam's and not Gary's and another rumor that at least 2 of the children were fathered by a man who is neither Adam or Gary.

I'm confused.

There are reports that Adam Mayes and Gary Bain were once married to sisters, but Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Kristin Helm said that is not correct. Helm confirmed Wednesday that Gary Bain and Adam Mayes became acquainted when Gary and Pamela Bain were married years ago. After their divorce, Adam Mayes kept in touch with Gary Bain, who later married Jo Ann Bain.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120509/ARTICLES/120509630?p=2&tc=pg

soyesterday
05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
You are amazing...that was just so in our face. Why why why would GB not go to his good buddies house if he is wife and kids were missing...That my dear is a wonderful question. AM was supposed to be helping GB load and drive, wife goes missing....Kids were at his house for days.... Why didn't GB go there...now that is perplexing...HOLY COW.....IMHO

It's so strange. And it actually just came to me. I couldn't figure out what it was. Something was just not connecting. I mean yah they were planning on doing the move and stuff. They were supposedly so close. Why in the world would he not call Adam...go to Adam's house crying hysterically looking for his family...begging his "friend" to help him find them!
They were probably right there the whole time for a while at least. And his wife and oldest daugther were being buried in the back yard.
And all that time, Gary never bothered to drive over there and plead for help?

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
Dear Mom,

Guess what I got you for Mother's Day?!?

5-10 in the State pen!

Love,
Adam

passionflower
05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
The little girl in the video is not Kyliyah. It appears as though she pays for her own purchase.

and didn't her parents come forward and ask LE to blurr her out of video???
IIRC

susan1122
05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
In my experience, no one who thinks they are ugly are. In fact, they are some of the most beautiful souls that walk the earth. To be truly ugly, one must be evil and evil people don't know it.

I so agree with you. I really believe that outer appearance has everything to do with what is going on in the inside.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
What I can't get over is this: how can 2 people be killed in the garage, the bodies loaded into a car with two additional children (who must have been in a panic) also loaded into the car.... silently? Without even a whisper? I thought GB was sleeping and his eldest daughter was also in the house, along with her child? AND NOBODY HEARD ANYTHING at all????

The garage was a separate building from the house.

With the work associated with the move, etc, I think it's reasonable that GB, his eldest daughter and grandchild were sleeping more soundly than usual.

At this point, I have seen absolutely zero evidence that LE considers GB to be anything but a victim.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 09:06 PM
If was just a random camper, he got the crap scared outta him for sure.

Oh my goodness, I'll bet, can you imagine all those officers with guns drawn? :rocker:

jjenny
05-09-2012, 09:09 PM
In that case lets hope another guest suggests it....I am so naughty....

Yea, I'd pay to see it.

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 09:09 PM
It appears that the FBI has the video from the store, since it was mentioned on Jane's show by the store owner. He indicated that the vehicle AM got into is a four-door White Oldsmobile. So they would know if the little girl is Kyliya, of which, I highly doubt it was her.

I know it's like believing in Bigfoot or chupacabra. I am saying I think they know it is Kyliyah but are denying it for strategic reasons. I told you, I am a looney conspiracy theorist on this one! And willing to be proven wrong.

Sorry in advance for when it turns out I am wrong but I can't shake this belief... JMO

Coldpizza
05-09-2012, 09:09 PM
Well goodnight all, please let the girls be found safe by the am.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 09:10 PM
"She didn't have feelings for any of us except Adam,” said Johnny Mayes II

Mama Mayes sounds like a piece of work, she had all these children and that is some harsh words from her son. She did not care for any of her kids except Adam....OMG...

Betcha a wooden nickel that if they catch AM, his lawyer will pull up Mom Mayes as a mitigating factor for whatever defense they come up with. "My Mama done made me the monster that I am today! Lawd have mercy & pass the Kleenex!"

:banghead:

jjenny
05-09-2012, 09:12 PM
I know it's like believing in Bigfoot or chupacabra. I am saying I think they know it is Kyliyah but are denying it for strategic reasons. I told you, I am a looney conspiracy theorist on this one! And willing to be proven wrong.

Sorry in advance for when it turns out I am wrong but I can't shake this belief... JMO

I don't think they would deny it. So I believe its not her. He was also not monitoring what the girl was doing. He left while she was still buying her drinks.

Jayarre
05-09-2012, 09:13 PM
It's so strange. And it actually just came to me. I couldn't figure out what it was. Something was just not connecting. I mean yah they were planning on doing the move and stuff. They were supposedly so close. Why in the world would he not call Adam...go to Adam's house crying hysterically looking for his family...begging his "friend" to help him find them!
They were probably right there the whole time for a while at least. And his wife and oldest daugther were being buried in the back yard.
And all that time, Gary never bothered to drive over there and plead for help?

I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 09:17 PM
Johnny Mayes II said his father also has some mental problems and is in failing health

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 09:17 PM
I don't think they would deny it. So I believe its not her. He was also not monitoring what the girl was doing. He left while she was still buying her drinks.

You are probably 100% right jjenny... but what if that guy behind her is RN and HE watched her buy her own soda and walked out after her, so they didn't all seem to be together? Then they got in the car and left. I know, I'm crazy... but I'm sticking with it. Watching that video I thought "what are the chances some nervous guy is wearing hat and sunglasses behind AM and a girl with oddly dark hair around the same age as KB?" What are the odds? My brain has seized on it and won't let go.

SmoothOperator
05-09-2012, 09:18 PM
Because Pamela Bain is MMary Mayes daughter therefore Pamela's children would be Marys grandchildren(Ppamela was married to Gary Bain before Joann married him) this is how Adam was GaryBain's brother in law.. because Gary was married to Adams sister Pamela Bain

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 09:20 PM
I think the comment about AM not being able to pass as a woman incognito is due more to his height than anything. How common is it for a woman to be 6' 3"? Not very. Someone that height who was also dressed as a female would be noticed. Whether they were attractive or unattractive, they would still stick out because the height and gender (assuming dressed as female) would be unexpected.

And that, of course, says nothing about AM's ability to even look female. Not just makeup and a wig, but walking, talking, adam's apple, etc. Humans quickly take in and process gender but if there's a disconnect then it's noticed (or noticeable).

Jabarn
05-09-2012, 09:20 PM
Well... Premeditation, staying coherent buying the Coke, manipulating his formerly in
special education wife to watch the youngest gals while he interviews with the police... Now FBI 10 Most Wanted since they can't find him (would not happen with a delusional, disorganized perpetrator). He is described as a child, marries another childlike adult, now has actually found a way to be with a child. This is what a pedophile is, folks.

chakti
05-09-2012, 09:20 PM
It's so strange. And it actually just came to me. I couldn't figure out what it was. Something was just not connecting. I mean yah they were planning on doing the move and stuff. They were supposedly so close. Why in the world would he not call Adam...go to Adam's house crying hysterically looking for his family...begging his "friend" to help him find them!
They were probably right there the whole time for a while at least. And his wife and oldest daugther were being buried in the back yard.
And all that time, Gary never bothered to drive over there and plead for help?

Yeah the whole Gary thing is making me nuts. Where the heck is he. Not on tv making a plea for his friend to bring back his babys. nothing na da !!!

Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:21 PM
Johnny Mayes II said his father also has some mental problems and is in failing health

At this point, nothing surprises me with regards to there being some issues with the family going back a few generations.

GDUD
05-09-2012, 09:22 PM
What I can't get over is this: how can 2 people be killed in the garage, the bodies loaded into a car with two additional children (who must have been in a panic) also loaded into the car.... silently? Without even a whisper? I thought GB was sleeping and his eldest daughter was also in the house, along with her child? AND NOBODY HEARD ANYTHING at all????

I totally agree. I posted this many threads ago because I only have one daughter and somehow with breakfast, backpack, signing papers cleaning up dishes and doing hair, we manage to wake my husband up every morning. Also, if all of their phones were there, why didn't that set off a red flag when he called the phones? Didn't he hear them ring? Or did AM hide them? Where were the backpacks that were not taken to school? In the kitchen where we kleep ours? In the bedrooms?

Quester
05-09-2012, 09:22 PM
It's so strange. And it actually just came to me. I couldn't figure out what it was. Something was just not connecting. I mean yah they were planning on doing the move and stuff. They were supposedly so close. Why in the world would he not call Adam...go to Adam's house crying hysterically looking for his family...begging his "friend" to help him find them!
They were probably right there the whole time for a while at least. And his wife and oldest daugther were being buried in the back yard.
And all that time, Gary never bothered to drive over there and plead for help?

The way this case is going, maybe GB is in a "hotel" also ????

I've got to imagine that GB placed a few calls to AM on that fateful day but we haven't heard anything of the sort.

simlyme
05-09-2012, 09:24 PM
Since this manhunt has been going on, I hate when it gets dark out, I feel like they just wont be able to close in on him, and I have a feeling hes sleeping during daylight so he can keep moving during the night.
Anyone else think that?
I stayed up all night last night until I went to bed at 6:00AM, then thought, NO, they wont close in during dark, it would be too risky.(for the girls)
This is beyond evil.

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 09:24 PM
As for the alleged past involvement between AM and JB, what is probably driving that assumption is the opinion AM appears to hold that the youngest girl is his biological daughter. Why would he think that was possible if there had never been any involvement between him and JB? Of course he could be lying and making that up (we don't yet know).

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Good Grief - what a difference a day makes.

When I was last in front of a computer: TBI was saying that TM was Adam Mayes' ex-wife. Now, the affidavits and TBI both say she is the wife. (as in current)

Also, I thought it was 100 % verified that the young girl in store video behind AM was NOT one of the Bain children. But, catching up on the 28 pages of the new thread, I am seeing a lot of confusion on this. Has this "fact" also been changed?

Also, not surprised that TM played more of a role than what she initially let on.

raeann
05-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Johnny Mayes II said his father also has some mental problems and is in failing health

Oh my....I must need to rest....I have been popping in and out to read while trying to keep up with a hectic few weeks of real life. I read your sentence as saying he is " in FAITH HEALING". Good thing I read it twice cause my first thought was just what this case needs is a faith healer! oops then I read it again....:what:

jjenny
05-09-2012, 09:26 PM
As for the alleged past involvement between AM and JB, what is probably driving that assumption is the opinion AM appears to hold that the youngest girl is his biological daughter. Why would he think that was possible if there had never been any involvement between him and JB? Of course he could be lying and making that up (we don't yet know).

What was said is that he believes both children might be his.
If he believes that, either he is delusional, or he isn't.

LietKynes
05-09-2012, 09:26 PM
" I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops. "
Resp. snipped

True, MM and TM seem to be worried about saving their own hides. Hopefully if they have any idea where AM might be heading, one or both of them will 'rat him out'.


I was going to say 'squeal like pigs'; but that isn't nice. Too late, I've said it.
Sorry for the rudeness, but I've been following this case for a few days and the whole thing makes me sick. Every moment that goes by without locating AM is more dangerous for those girls !

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 09:28 PM
If AM could murder JB and the older daughter, I can't imagine he would care what GB might have to say. Any plea by GB would be useless. They're not friends. AM is a cold-blooded killer.

Further, why must GB be on camera and/or giving interviews and publicly grieve or else be thought suspicious of something? Why does he need to prove something to us (the public)? I guarantee if he did he'd be analyzed up the yingyang and every blink of his eye would be scrutinized because that's what people love to do. Then someone would have a bad feeling or a dream or something based on their interpretation of what they think they saw when he was on TV. Ugh.

Allegedly, according to one unconfirmed report, AM somehow drugged the family. Or the father was asleep and perhaps AM lured the mother and older daughter separately to whatever room or outside garage where he killed them.

But GB not giving interviews and being 'seen' by the viewing public shouldn't be made into anything hinky. The man lost at least part of his family, and possibly most, and there's an expectation that he should do something that is for public consumption (and curiosity)? No.

CuriousGuy
05-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Just a thought, I wonder if AM is part of a militia. He and the neighbor RN look the part. Those groups would have all sorts of places to bunker down and not be seen.

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Ok I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this case because I don't understand how everyone is related.

1. How exactly are Adam Mayes and Gary Bain connected? I have heard two different possibly contradictory stories. The first is that at one time Adam and Gary were married to a pair of sisters. The second is that Gary was married to Adam's sister Pamela. What are the names of Gary and Adam's previous wives?

2. Is Gary Bain the biological father of all 3 of these girls?

3. Is Jo Ann the biological mother of all 3 of these girls?

I keep seeing speculation that the eldest daughter is Gary's daughter with Adam's sister Pamela but I've also seen speculation that Adam is the father of the oldest daughter with Jo Ann (did they date as teenagers?) then I also see rumors that the two youngest daughters are Adam's and not Gary's and another rumor that at least 2 of the children were fathered by a man who is neither Adam or Gary.

I'm confused.

The relationships are key, and much of the confusion steps from multiple media reports falsely claiming that AM and GB married sisters. In reality, GB married AM's sister when AM was 9 years old. AM has five siblings and an older sister married GB. The daughter from that marriage actualy was at GB's house the night before the abduction, by she was NOT abducted (and she is AM's niece).

The three girls who were abducted were JB's. At issue is the paternaty for these three. Legally, the two oldest (12 and 14) are from JB's first husband, while the youngest is from GB. Thus, GB had two biological children, one with AM's sister and one with JB.

However, multiple reports have suggested AM and JB had a relationship that goes back over a decade, raising the possibility that he fathered JB's two youngest (who are the two who are at large with AM).

Thus, there is the posiibilty that AM is the father of one or both, or that he thinks he is the father of one or both.