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HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Here is some more crazy conspiratorial thinking... what if RN really WAS the "mole" feeding AM info, and he sees himself on TV but LE says nothing about him and claims the girl is not KB... meanwhile they have tapped RN's phone to see if he is the mole... and then he calls AM to say "omg, they had all 3 of us on surveillance on TV", then they go arrest RN for aiding. See? When I latch onto a crazy theory I run all the way with it!

No need to tell me I'm wrong, I know I probably am. Can't help myself anyway.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
I think the comment about AM not being able to pass as a woman incognito is due more to his height than anything. How common is it for a woman to be 6' 3"? Not very. Someone that height who was also dressed as a female would be noticed. Whether they were attractive or unattractive, they would still stick out because the height and gender (assuming dressed as female) would be unexpected.

And that, of course, says nothing about AM's ability to even look female. Not just makeup and a wig, but walking, talking, adam's apple, etc. Humans quickly take in and process gender but if there's a disconnect then it's noticed (or noticeable).

Not to mention he'd have to shave.

Even though he cut his hair, you'd think he'd go for max change and cut the beard, too. But nope, he kept it. I think it's part of his personal vanity, and parting with it, even to better disguise himself doesn't seem to be something he was willing to do. At least not at the time he was caught on camera.

Now then, can you imagine him shaving any bodily parts that females often do? :what:

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
I wonder who called the girls in sick to school? If they were..(you have to where I live or the school contacts you).
Also, how do we know that GB didn't contact AM? He could have called him? If my kids were missing I don't think I'd be driving anywhere. I would be home waiting for them.

GDUD
05-09-2012, 09:35 PM
He may in fact have drugged them as mentioned as a possibility or he could have taken them from their sleep one at a time...
He could have had the mom and daughter already killed and in the trailer b4 he ever took the younger two.
They may not even know their mom and sister are deceased...

they trust him and he is obviously a manipulator and could have made up any story to tell these younger ones...

JMO

How could he have gotten JB out of her bed when GB said they went to bed at 1am?

soyesterday
05-09-2012, 09:37 PM
I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops.

Again.....so strange.....but i don't think Gary was involved....
His actions are just so off after they disapeared.
I just can't understand or explain it.
I'm not saying that he knew anything.
I think he was clueless. But how clueless can someone be?
I just don't understand his actions....or should i say "non- action" since
he realized they were missing.
I hope i make sense....

Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
What I am reading, Adrienne and Alexandria are children from the marriage of JB and MJ. Apparently, both girls do not have their father's last name. Now the question is, when did GB and JB get married and did GB adopt the two older children.

Gary Bain, the husband of Jo Ann Bain and the biological father of 8 year old Kaliyah is too upset to talk right now. Mark Johnson the biological father of 14 year old Adrienne and Alexandria is also too upset to talk. Relatives say they are devastated

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18237179/hardeman-county-residents-gather-to-remember-and-pray-for-bain-family

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
Yeah the whole Gary thing is making me nuts. Where the heck is he. Not on tv making a plea for his friend to bring back his babys. nothing na da !!!

With any luck, he is heavily sedated and under Dr's care. He's living in a nightmare that is unimaginable.

I also think LE is carefully shielding him. We don't know what's going on at all behind the scenes. For all we know, LE might indeed have GB communicating pleas through back channels & mutual friends. And if he's not making public pleas, that may very well be at the direction of very wise, experienced people in LE guiding him.

I doubt for a second he'd want to set a foot wrong here or say anything in public that could further jeopardize those two little girls that he loves.

I feel deeply and truly sorry for him. This is a whole new definition of 'devastation'. I can't even begin to imagine.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 09:40 PM
I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

Since the garage is a separate building from the house, I'm assuming GB never went out there. Teresa Mayes's confession sounds like Jo Ann and Adrienne were both killed in the garage (Jo Ann for sure, Adrienne probably).

I may be wrong but I'm just not getting a hinky feeling about GB. And LE certainly had not released any info about him that suggests he's being looked at as a suspect.

Mjskit
05-09-2012, 09:40 PM
" I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops. "
Resp. snipped

True, MM and TM seem to be worried about saving their own hides. Hopefully if they have any idea where AM might be heading, one or both of them will 'rat him out'.


I was going to say 'squeal like pigs'; but that isn't nice. Too late, I've said it.
Sorry for the rudeness, but I've been following this case for a few days and the whole thing makes me sick. Every moment that goes by without locating AM is more dangerous for those girls !

****THEORY**** Maybe TM isn't screaming it from the rooftops because she doesn't know GB is involved. AM and GB were very close so isn't is possible a plan was developed while working on a car together to get rid of JB and the children to, oh I don't know, collect life insurance policies or something.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 09:41 PM
If AM could murder JB and the older daughter, I can't imagine he would care what GB might have to say. Any plea by GB would be useless. They're not friends. AM is a cold-blooded killer.

Further, why must GB be on camera and/or giving interviews and publicly grieve or else be thought suspicious of something? Why does he need to prove something to us (the public)? I guarantee if he did he'd be analyzed up the yingyang and every blink of his eye would be scrutinized because that's what people love to do. Then someone would have a bad feeling or a dream or something based on their interpretation of what they think they saw when he was on TV. Ugh.

Allegedly, according to one unconfirmed report, AM somehow drugged the family. Or the father was asleep and perhaps AM lured the mother and older daughter separately to whatever room or outside garage where he killed them.

But GB not giving interviews and being 'seen' by the viewing public shouldn't be made into anything hinky. The man lost at least part of his family, and possibly most, and there's an expectation that he should do something that is for public consumption (and curiosity)? No.

Yeah. What she said. ^

Wagara
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
I feel like they are in an RV.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
How could he have gotten JB out of her bed when GB said they went to bed at 1am?

maybe they slept in separate beds?
wasn't it mentioned earlier they had a fight that night?
How many bedrooms are in the house?
An adult daughter and child _ 1 bedroom
Mr and Mrs Bain -2 bedroom
3 daughters 3 or 4 bedroom
1 adult male AM 5 bedroom or couch???
(4 adults and 4 children)?
sleeping arrangements?

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 09:45 PM
Again.....so strange.....but i don't think Gary was involved....
His actions are just so off after they disapeared.
I just can't understand or explain it.
I'm not saying that he knew anything.
I think he was clueless. But how clueless can someone be?
I just don't understand his actions....or should i say "non- action" since
he realized they were missing.
I hope i make sense....

What I have read is GB woke up late. They are gone and he was confused as to what was going on. He tries to call Joann. Can't get ahold of her. When school gets out and no kids he calls LE. LE considers first with adults that leaving may be voluntary. So maybe Joann took the kids somewhere with AM. GB sends the fb message "come back, we can work it out," LE interviews AM who lies to them and Joanns truck is found. LE goes back to AM and discovers the graves.

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Here is some more crazy conspiratorial thinking... what if RN really WAS the "mole" feeding AM info, and he sees himself on TV but LE says nothing about him and claims the girl is not KB... meanwhile they have tapped RN's phone to see if he is the mole... and then he calls AM to say "omg, they had all 3 of us on surveillance on TV", then they go arrest RN for aiding. See? When I latch onto a crazy theory I run all the way with it!

No need to tell me I'm wrong, I know I probably am. Can't help myself anyway.

Well, your theory sounds stronger than others I've heard. Now, to back and look closely at a video that hasn't been blurred out already. (Is there one?)

bendrn
05-09-2012, 09:48 PM
GB is a VICTIM in this matter until proven otherwise. I can't imagine what he's going through. He is probably doing good to be able to stand up when he needs to, much less hold a press conference. So maybe get off his case about not standing around gabbing in front of the media's cameras.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
I too see him as a victim , just really struggling with this issue. There were at least 6 people in that home. Strangling is not necessarily a quiet event. The house is not that large.

The only thing I can think of is he had all of them restrained in the garage already when he strangled them.

Judging from the view on Zillow, the house and garage are spaced as far apart as houses are in some towns.

Murders are often committed in a house with neighbours who saw/heard nothing, even though their house is as close as the Bain house and garage.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
This was a planned event according to AM wife..........so what was the plan on how to care and hide the girls eventually someone would know they were kidnapped.

Did AM not tell wife & mother about his plan all the way?

Why didn't AM and wife sleep together? Where did he get his sex that he needed viagra for??

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by GrainneDhu
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed..

Many people say that the internet is an evil thing, a destroyer of personal contact. But I have complete respect for your posts, your reason, your words. Which are a huge part of who you are.

And I think you are just lovely. And I don't give a fig for what you look like! I only know what you think like.

But seriously......Adam in drag? No. Just no. :D.




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Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
This video is NOT blurred out.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=429984167029042

You can clearly see the little girl is not Kyliyah and the man behind the child, starts to smile as the little girl pays for her purchases. You can hear her say "bye".

passionflower
05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Does anyone know how to check the arrest on RN (friend)

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 09:52 PM
I have read each and every word and letter of so many of your posts. You are a voice of reason, intelligence and so many of your posts are based on experience and education. To me you are a beautiful woman inside and out.

And no, I didn't miss the point of your post I have thought he could fade undercover as a woman, but I don't believe he has the guts to do so.

Well, geeeze, now you've made me cry.

Thank you so much. That was a lovely thing to read.

My husband tells me I'm beautiful too but I keep telling him he's delusional... and it's one of the things I love most about him!

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 09:53 PM
Judging from the view on Zillow, the house and garage are spaced as far apart as houses are in some towns.

Murders are often committed in a house with neighbours who saw/heard nothing, even though their house is as close as the Bain house and garage.

Exactly. Isabel Celis was allegedly kidnapped from her room with 3 dogs outside and 4 or more people asleep inside. And nobody heard a thing.


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Patty G
05-09-2012, 09:56 PM
Does anyone know how to check the arrest on RN (friend)

http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/InmateDetails.asp?PassedId=163313

He has two previous offenses: Embezzlement and False Pretense.

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Exactly. Isabel Celis was allegedly kidnapped from her room with 3 dogs outside and 4 or more people asleep inside. And nobody heard a thing.

Whether that was really a "kidnapping" or "an incident in which something went horribly wrong inside that house and Isa was removed/hidden/discarded as a result" has not yet been determined, or at least not publicly declared.

But the larger point is that *we* don't know the details of these cases like LE does. We are on the sidelines, far away, watching the story unfold in the media. We only read about and hear little snippets of info and then try and piece together a cohesive and full story from snippets or start speculating based on each little factoid gathered.

To quote Dr. Phil, "how's that workin' for ya?" And the answer of course is, "Not too well."

jen&jonhart
05-09-2012, 09:57 PM
The little girl in the video belongs to a local teacher. The video was blurred at the familys request. It is very traumatizing to see your young child standing next to a wanted killer. This poor child will probably have nightmares for a long time because of this. I know I would.

epiphany
05-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Adam and Teresa Mayes each have been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/justice/tennessee-missing-children/index.html

Can't have children. Special ed diploma. So what?

Teresa M can cry me a river.

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 09:59 PM
Thanks Patty!

Game Over T shirt guy looks more nervous to me than Adam. He fidgets.. a lot. He doesn't speak to the little girl at all. It's kind of weird. (But, hey, I think it's weird that a child her age drinks Coke.)

jjenny
05-09-2012, 10:00 PM
Thanks Patty!

Game Over T shirt guy looks more nervous to me than Adam. He fidgets.. a lot. He doesn't speak to the little girl at all. It's kind of weird. (But, hey, I think it's weird that a child her age drinks Coke.)

Why would he speak to a little girl if he doesn't know her?

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:02 PM
In that case lets hope another guest suggests it....I am so naughty....

I think we need another button at the bottom of posts for "made me laugh so hard..."

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Thanks Patty!

Game Over T shirt guy looks more nervous to me than Adam. He fidgets.. a lot. He doesn't speak to the little girl at all. It's kind of weird. (But, hey, I think it's weird that a child her age drinks Coke.)

The videos are not always very accurate in time.

The T Shirt guy doesn't speak to the child, but at one point he has, what I believe, is a smile when the child is paying for her purchases. The only one that I heard speak AFTER Adam left was the little girl when she appeared to me to say "bye."

passionflower
05-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Adam and Teresa Mayes each have been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/justice/tennessee-missing-children/index.html

Can't have children. diploma. So what?
Special ed
Teresa M can cry me a river.

BBM she can drive a car! not that unintelligent........right?
Knows right from wrong!:banghead:

ryanemsmom
05-09-2012, 10:05 PM
There was a comment posted on the find Jo Ann FB page that RN was not arrested in connection with Adam Mayes, it was failure to report to his probation officer. She claims to be his cousin, and said that his mother lives near AM, and when he was questioned they discovered his failure to report and arrested him.

From FB, so MOO, rumor, etc.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 10:05 PM
I have some different thoughts on this, GB and AM were very close, he was AM's family, they worked together, and had that relationship for years. It wasn't GB that AM killed, it was JB, what if the reason they were moving to Arizona was because JB wanted to get them away from AM?

AB was 14, you read what her gf said about her and friends being creeped out by AM, always being at the park with the girls. AB wasn't young anymore and easily influenced by AM, her relationship to him could have changed. She probably was seeing him more as her friends were. GB posting on JB's fb about coming back home, we can work this out, could have been a rift about AM in their lives. He was going w/GB to take things to their new home in Arizona, maybe he wanted to move there, also. Could be why GB isn't speaking out, if this is the case, he could be feeling guilty that it all led to this horrible situation. This seemed like an angry revenge murder, because it was the first thing AM did.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:05 PM
I keep thinking strangulation would lead to scratches on AM. And he was interviewed by LE soon after.

I keep reading articles but never finding out exactly how AM was interviewed the first time.

Since LE seems to have thought Jo Ann left voluntarily, I keep wondering if the initial interview was via telephone, since AM was 80 miles away and in another state. Would they have invested the time and mileage to interview him in person in a case that seemed like it was a voluntary disappearance?

Nana46
05-09-2012, 10:05 PM
Early on someone called this like "Deliverance." I now totally agree folks.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Why would he speak to a little girl if he doesn't know her?

I speak to strangers, babies, children. Just the other day, I watched a little boy take a banana that someone didn't want, and they put it on the magazine rack.

He leaned over me to reach the banana, and hide it behind his back. So I watched him waiting for him to put it on the belt and he didn't. So I said to him, before I put my food up, do you want to put your banana there?

He decided to keep hiding the banana from his mother. He was about 6 years old.

I know ... what a cruel lady I am. But heck, his mother was buying bananas!

Susan10
05-09-2012, 10:10 PM
The murderous creep is out of funds and out of options. He will be found soon if with "friends" or relatives. Thank God there's a huge reward out for his arrest. He's done.
I PRAY he doesn't murder the surviving children. It's ok w/me if he kills himself.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:12 PM
new thread


reminders:

1)what happens in the scanner stays in the scanner
2)do not bring over comments from facebook or social media
3)attack the post and not the poster; all opinions are welcome

BBM

Bumping Up!

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I keep reading articles but never finding out exactly how AM was interviewed the first time.

Since LE seems to have thought Jo Ann left voluntarily, I keep wondering if the initial interview was via telephone, since AM was 80 miles away and in another state. Would they have invested the time and mileage to interview him in person in a case that seemed like it was a voluntary disappearance?

Ya know, I was thinking it was a face to face interview. But there has been so many stories and so many links I can't recall.

epiphany
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
BBM she can drive a car! not that unintelligent........right?
Knows right from wrong!:banghead:

Slow learner-is that code for learning disabilities? If so, again, so what? Many intelligent individuals with special ed diplomas. Does Mom mean she's "educable?"

IMO, she was steaming about something else, whether real or imaginary.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I have evidence AM believes that Alexandria and Kyliyah are his children.
Does anyone know the nicknames for these children?

Where is this evidence coming from? We can only post what comes out of LE or MSM?

winterrose
05-09-2012, 10:15 PM
The youngest looks just like GB and the middle one looks like MJ and JB both. AM was telling neighbors, according to media reports they were his, but he's crazy.

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Why would he speak to a little girl if he doesn't know her?

Sorry. Should have clarified. IF the Game Over T shirt guy is WITH the little girl in the video, then it is weird that he fidgets a lot and doesn't talk to her.

It was a complete assumption on my part that these two people were together.

The little girl buys two cokes. Gives the cashier a few dollars. Receives change. And exits.

The Game Over guy says something to the cashier and exits. Seems strange to stand in line all the time just to say something and then leave.

So, I assumed they were together.

Also, playing into this assumption is my own world view> that you don't let children walk into stores alone.

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 10:15 PM
The neighbor also said he drank a lot; was on drugs, no job, did basically nothing!

Wow; a double life in MS vs. hanging out with the Bains in TN??

It was posted upthread that he worked as a "Handyman". Now, that's a scary thought!

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:16 PM
It appears LE briefly interviewed AM as a routine interview as he is a family friend, was at the house, etc., etc.

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 10:18 PM
Early on someone called this like "Deliverance." I now totally agree folks.

Then, I am glad I've never seen Deliverance. All I know is that when people start referencing banjos playing..the word Deliverance is coming..and the rest is not so good!

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 10:18 PM
With any luck, he is heavily sedated and under Dr's care. He's living in a nightmare that is unimaginable.

I also think LE is carefully shielding him. We don't know what's going on at all behind the scenes. For all we know, LE might indeed have GB communicating pleas through back channels & mutual friends. And if he's not making public pleas, that may very well be at the direction of very wise, experienced people in LE guiding him.

I doubt for a second he'd want to set a foot wrong here or say anything in public that could further jeopardize those two little girls that he loves.

I feel deeply and truly sorry for him. This is a whole new definition of 'devastation'. I can't even begin to imagine.

Thank you.

revampz
05-09-2012, 10:20 PM
My theory on the motive is that this guy thinks that the middle child is his. I do beleive that him and JB may have been going out or had a brief relationship before she married GB, in fact that is probably how they met. She may actually be his child. His ex wife could not have children, I am betting he probably made her feel bad/guilty about this and his mum I am sure would see the fairness in him having his own child, her grandchild.

JB was taking her away and this has thrown him into a state, enough to premediate murder.

Yes I think it is about the little girl......with regards to the youngest child, either he became very attached to her as well or he was still having a fling with JB and he thinks she is his...I beleive the former may be true.

This of course is just my theory.

CinnamonGirl
05-09-2012, 10:20 PM
I thought by now this case would be national news, my mom lives in New Jersey and she said there is nothing up there about this case.

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Slow learner-is that code for learning disabilities? If so, again, so what? Many intelligent individuals with special ed diplomas. Does Mom mean she's "educable?"

IMO, she was steaming about something else, whether real or imaginary.

I think that this poster was trying to display that TM can't plead some form of ignorance of not knowing right from wrong due to her special education degree. If she able to operate a motor vehicle without incident, she knew that killing was wrong.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
The youngest looks just like GB and the middle one looks like MJ and JB both. AM was telling neighbors, according to media reports they were his, but he's crazy.

Totally agree. AM is the one that spread these rumors and he's a nutter.

Hope32
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Who is this friend people keep talking about? Was he arrested?

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
I thought by now this case would be national news, my mom lives in New Jersey and she said there is nothing up there about this case.

???

It's all over CNN, CNN.com, FOX, MSNBC, HLN, etc, etc. and has been for days.

Lovejac
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Adam and Teresa Mayes each have been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/justice/tennessee-missing-children/index.html

Can't have children. Special ed diploma. So what?

Teresa M can cry me a river.

Good! About the 1st degree murder charges for Teresa. She was in the garage and did NOTHING to help save the lives of Joann and A.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Something kept AM coming back.
JB & GB allowed him for years to be extensively involved with the children.
No, Im not saying ANYONE deserves what is going on or what has happened already, BUT, I'm seething! Is there a vent thread somewhere?

GB married AM's sister back in 1984, when AM was only 9 years old. GB's eldest daughter is AM's niece. If AM was willing to treat JB's girls as more nieces, I think that GB and JB would probably have appreciated that (it's never good for one child in a family to be singled out for extra attention).

I think it can be really difficult to see through someone you've known since they were a child that young.

AM strikes me as the slick abuser type; someone who was very careful to keep the abuse hidden. Abusers like that are invariably very well controlled and very good at putting up a facade.

Considering the difference in age and the reports that the two men enjoyed working on cars together, I wonder if GB was the one who taught AM how to work on cars.

Also, it has been reported that AM never held a regular job but relied on odd jobs. GB may have felt sorry for him and wanted to give him some help.

If so, then I think it would be even more difficult to see through this brother-in-law and protege.

There have certainly been lots of reports from neighbours and casual acquaintances saying AM seemed like a nice guy, very helpful, etc. GB would not have been alone in being fooled.

Jelly Doughnut
05-09-2012, 10:23 PM
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Teresa-Mayes-Now-Charged-with-Murder-150792435.html

"Adam Mayes additionally faces a charge of filing a false report for allegedly lying to investigators when he was interviewed about the disappearances of the Bains on April 29."


I haven't yet found whether this interview was in person, over the phone, or where it took place. Still looking.

BBM

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:23 PM
Adam Mayes and Gary Bain, who had once been married to sisters, had been planning to drive some of the family's belongings to Arizona the next day because the family was moving to that state

Adam Mayes admitted to authorities that he was the last person to see Jo Ann Bain and her daughters before the disappearance, according to the affidavit.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/crime/wife-mother-of-kidnap-slaying-suspect-arrested/nNyzH/

palaminodee
05-09-2012, 10:23 PM
maybe they slept in separate beds?
wasn't it mentioned earlier they had a fight that night?
How many bedrooms are in the house?
An adult daughter and child _ 1 bedroom
Mr and Mrs Bain -2 bedroom
3 daughters 3 or 4 bedroom
1 adult male AM 5 bedroom or couch???
(4 adults and 4 children)?
sleeping arrangements?

We just recently moved and had the beds and mattresses off in the moving van and slept in sleeping bags a couple nights...
very possible all were not sleeping where they would typically sleep?

Or AM could have lured them out of the house early AM one at a time with some made-up excuse to get them to the garage voluntarily?

GDUD
05-09-2012, 10:24 PM
For clarity's sake, the affidavit states Adrienne was murdered at the residence, it does not specify where. Could've been the garage, we don't know.


Someone mentioned a silenced gun as the murder weapon. Just thinking that would've probably left too big a mess that GB would've found. Instead he thought they'd left, initially, so IMO whatever method it was, it wasn't messy or they contained/cleaned the mess.

Also makes me wonder if they were killed in the garage why GB found no evidence when he went to the garage to drive to work. Or did he not work? Did he park his car in the driveway every day, instead?

HaikuMommy
05-09-2012, 10:25 PM
Who is this friend people keep talking about? Was he arrested?

just a guy who lives near AM that was arrested today, and who looks suspiciously like the man in the back of the surveillance video wearing glasses and a hat. But all sane sources say there is really no connection. Unless you are a Grade A conspiracy theorist like me, lol

Madeleine74
05-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Also makes me wonder if they were killed in the garage why GB found no evidence when he went to the garage to drive to work. Or did he not work? Did he park his car in the driveway every day, instead?

What is the cause of death? If it was a bloodless murder then what evidence would be expected?

mamamia54
05-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Also makes me wonder if they were killed in the garage why GB found no evidence when he went to the garage to drive to work. Or did he not work? Did he park his car in the driveway every day, instead?

If they were strangled, there may not have been any evidence that would appear to the naked eye. If dogs were brought in, they would most likely hit on specific places.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:27 PM
Who is this friend people keep talking about? Was he arrested?

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Mississippi/Rankin-County-MS/Richard-Norman.7708170/details/

Dreamwallaby
05-09-2012, 10:30 PM
I thought by now this case would be national news, my mom lives in New Jersey and she said there is nothing up there about this case.

I live in New Jersey also and my fiance' hadn't heard anything (except what I was telling him) until tonight when it turned up on the Yahoo news thread.

jjenny
05-09-2012, 10:30 PM
No, the oldest of three girls was not his niece. GB's oldest daughter is his niece.

CinnamonGirl
05-09-2012, 10:32 PM
I live in New Jersey also and my fiance' hadn't heard anything (except what I was telling him) until tonight when it turned up on the Yahoo news thread.
I had to tell my Mom. She usually sees stuff in the paper, but she said there was nothing. I guess it is up there now though since he was upgraded to the FBI's top ten list.

Knox
05-09-2012, 10:33 PM
Slow learner-is that code for learning disabilities? If so, again, so what? Many intelligent individuals with special ed diplomas. Does Mom mean she's "educable?"

IMO, she was steaming about something else, whether real or imaginary.

At 1:43 in the video, her sister says Teresa thought Adam and Joann were having an affair.

Sister says she also feels Adam was having an affair with Joann.

I don't think I believe that. Joann was educated, trying to better herself. I agree with the other poster who said the move to Arizona was to get away. The big question mark for me though is letting him take the kids to his home overnight. WHY?

Anyone remember how recent any of the overnight stays were?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/justice/tennessee-missing-children/index.html

Nana46
05-09-2012, 10:35 PM
I never thought about the fact that AM killed his own niece! Can we hate this guy any more?

No his niece was at the house with her child and GB....she was not killed. She is the older daughter of GB and AM's sister (who is GB's ex-wife) I think....Gawd I am so confused.:banghead:

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:37 PM
do we know if AM hunts? fishes? camps? he seems to be a bum, sheltered by mom. Can he do this with 2 little girls? This worries me.

I don't know. I thought I read in at least one article that he liked to hunt but I've looked all over for it and can't find it, so I may have conflated two different cases. My memory is getting so bad but it's likely to be the only one I am ever issued!

I wouldn't have pegged Joseph Duncan as having outdoor skills but he managed to camp with Dylan and Shasta for something like 6 weeks.

Duncan was far less distinctive in appearance than AM and he wasn't even a suspect until he showed up at Denny's with Shasta that night.

So I don't know. I think it's possible and judging from LE response, it seems like I'm not the only one who thinks he may be camped out somewhere.

epiphany
05-09-2012, 10:37 PM
I think that this poster was trying to display that TM can't plead some form of ignorance of not knowing right from wrong due to her special education degree. If she able to operate a motor vehicle without incident, she knew that killing was wrong.

Yes, Passionflower and I are on the same page. Forgive my NoEastern sarcasm.

jjenny
05-09-2012, 10:37 PM
No his niece was at the house with her child and GB....she was not killed. She is the older daughter of GB and AM's sister (who is GB's ex-wife) I think....Gawd I am so confused.:banghead:

Yes, the niece is alive. And I haven't heard anything to suggest he was attached to his niece. I do think he believes the younger two children are his.
And that was the reason for kidnapping. They were going to move to another state and he wasn't going to able to spend time with these girls anymore.

Knox
05-09-2012, 10:38 PM
I thought by now this case would be national news, my mom lives in New Jersey and she said there is nothing up there about this case.

My niece in AZ shared a flyer on her facebook this morning. Said her friend in TX was telling her about it. Then my other niece in FL, saw the flyer and shared it and from there it multiplied rapidly. I think it's national.

Portabella
05-09-2012, 10:39 PM
Also makes me wonder if they were killed in the garage why GB found no evidence when he went to the garage to drive to work. Or did he not work? Did he park his car in the driveway every day, instead?

If he was supposed to be leaving to drive the U Haul to Arizona that day, I doubt he would have been working. I agree I feel awful for GB, his life is shattered right now. I just hope they can bring his two girls home to him.

I still find it odd that GB did not drive to AM when his wife and kids disappeared. I am just trying to figure this out. I DO NOT believe GB is anything but a victim in this, so please don't get me wrong. I am just thinking about the last tweets and posts of the deceased. I wonder if somehow AM did not put a seed of doubt into GB's mind about his own wife. So when she disappeared and AM disappeared (when he was supposed to be there to drive the U haul with him), he did not think that she had run off with AM and the children. The fact that GB wrote that on her fb about her working things out with him, and the statement he made that all she has to do is call and let "LE lay eyes on her" and it would be over or done. I think the poor man actually thought she ran out on him. Perhaps AM mentally manipulated him over time too. I think AM is the freaking devil.... Please God let the babies be brought home to GB. The pain he must be in is unimaginable....IMHO

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Since this manhunt has been going on, I hate when it gets dark out, I feel like they just wont be able to close in on him, and I have a feeling hes sleeping during daylight so he can keep moving during the night.
Anyone else think that?
I stayed up all night last night until I went to bed at 6:00AM, then thought, NO, they wont close in during dark, it would be too risky.(for the girls)
This is beyond evil.

You stayed up all night hoping they would find the girls?

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Wasn't he in hiding all alone though?

Um. Well. According to the feds, yeah, Eric Rudolph was all alone. According to some reporters who have interviewed locals, there's some that think he was not alone 100% of the time, that he was probably getting some help or at least there were people turning a blind eye when food was stolen from their homes, etc.

Joseph Duncan did manage to camp out for 6 weeks or so with Dylan and Shasta Groene. He did have the huge advantage that he was not a suspect in the case (their father was the suspect at the time).

epiphany
05-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Good! About the 1st degree murder charges for Teresa. She was in the garage and did NOTHING to help save the lives of Joann and A.

Adding...it appears that Teresa M must have done more than just nothing when the 2 murders went down!

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:42 PM
GB married AM's sister back in 1984, when AM was only 9 years old. GB's eldest daughter is AM's niece. If AM was willing to treat JB's girls as more nieces, I think that GB and JB would probably have appreciated that (it's never good for one child in a family to be singled out for extra attention).

I think it can be really difficult to see through someone you've known since they were a child that young.

AM strikes me as the slick abuser type; someone who was very careful to keep the abuse hidden. Abusers like that are invariably very well controlled and very good at putting up a facade.

Considering the difference in age and the reports that the two men enjoyed working on cars together, I wonder if GB was the one who taught AM how to work on cars.

Also, it has been reported that AM never held a regular job but relied on odd jobs. GB may have felt sorry for him and wanted to give him some help.

If so, then I think it would be even more difficult to see through this brother-in-law and protege.

There have certainly been lots of reports from neighbours and casual acquaintances saying AM seemed like a nice guy, very helpful, etc. GB would not have been alone in being fooled.

Do you know how old the child is that GB and AM's sister had together?


ETA: Members kind enough to let me know that "she is in her twenties. Thank you everyone.

Jelly Doughnut
05-09-2012, 10:42 PM
http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2012/05/jo-ann-jodi-bain-mother-and-3-daughters.html


"On Sunday, the Hardeman County Sheriff's Department met with a family friend, Adam Christopher Mayes, 35 from Guntown, Mississippi for questioning regarding Jodi and her daughters disappearance."


Still doesn't say where they met, though.

Portabella
05-09-2012, 10:43 PM
Has anyone seen evidence of the dogs chained out with doghouses in the yard at TM MM house? If those dogs are not there, then where is the location where those dogs reside. This could very well be where he and the kids are....Just a thought....

No Stone Unturned
05-09-2012, 10:43 PM
Yes, Passionflower and I are on the same page. Forgive my NoEastern sarcasm.


Only if you can forgive me for stating the obvious!
:floorlaugh:

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 10:44 PM
If he was supposed to be leaving to drive the U Haul to Arizona that day, I doubt he would have been working. I agree I feel awful for GB, his life is shattered right now. I just hope they can bring his two girls home to him.

I still find it odd that GB did not drive to AM when his wife and kids disappeared. I am just trying to figure this out. I DO NOT believe GB is anything but a victim in this, so please don't get me wrong. I am just thinking about the last tweets and posts of the deceased. I wonder if somehow AM did not put a seed of doubt into GB's mind about his own wife. So when she disappeared and AM disappeared (when he was supposed to be there to drive the U haul with him), he did not think that she had run off with AM and the children. The fact that GB wrote that on her fb about her working things out with him, and the statement he made that all she has to do is call and let "LE lay eyes on her" and it would be over or done. I think the poor man actually thought she ran out on him. Perhaps AM mentally manipulated him over time too. I think AM is the freaking devil.... Please God let the babies be brought home to GB. The pain he must be in is unimaginable....IMHO

I wouldn't be surprised if he's been planting all kinds of seeds in GB's head for a while.

passionflower
05-09-2012, 10:45 PM
What RAGE would make AM plan this murder of a young woman and a 14 year old girl?
I guess I can see the kidknapping of 2 children if you think they are yours. But murder?
and wife knew and mother covered this up for days and helped disguised the children?
You could never make this stuff up................

Patty G
05-09-2012, 10:46 PM
Um. Well. According to the feds, yeah, Eric Rudolph was all alone. According to some reporters who have interviewed locals, there's some that think he was not alone 100% of the time, that he was probably getting some help or at least there were people turning a blind eye when food was stolen from their homes, etc.

Joseph Duncan did manage to camp out for 6 weeks or so with Dylan and Shasta Groene. He did have the huge advantage that he was not a suspect in the case (their father was the suspect at the time).

Well, one thing for sure, he wasn't running with two little girls ages 8 & 12 like Adam is currently doing, IF he is still running with them, or no one is running at all!

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:47 PM
Also, why didn't LE send someone to AM's house? GB didn't realize the girls were missing until they didn't get off the bus. He thought JB was at school herself (or possibly left after they had a fight the night before) Did GB think it odd that his buddy who spent the night to help move wasn't there in the morning to help him move? When he did realize everyone was missing, I would think that LE would have wanted to send someone to AM's residence to check. Even if they thought she left voluntarily at that point, why wouldn't they send someone just to "lay eyes on her".

Eighty miles and in a different jurisdiction, maybe? If LE thought it was a voluntary disappearance, would they send someone that far just to interview one possible witness?

I figure that would be at least 4 hours of deputy time. Do they have enough coverage in Hardeman County to invest that much into something that seemed like it was probably a domestic dispute?

RoseRed
05-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Has anyone seen evidence of the dogs chained out with doghouses in the yard at TM MM house? If those dogs are not there, then where is the location where those dogs reside. This could very well be where he and the kids are....Just a thought....

I do not think it is TN or MS as the dirt is not red. JMO though!

passionflower
05-09-2012, 10:53 PM
Maybe AM molested the younger girls for years and was afraid if they moved away, they would tell on him. Maybe mom and sister found out? Thinking why? why did he kill them?
Why did mom and sister go to garage? Did they find one of the small girls missing in the morning? See something they shouldn't in that garage??

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 10:55 PM
If was just a random camper, he got the crap scared outta him for sure.

Maybe for the best, though. If LE is correct and AM is running in those woods, well... I sure wouldn't want to have him discover me in a nice camp ready to rob.

Dreamwallaby
05-09-2012, 10:56 PM
Eighty miles and in a different jurisdiction, maybe? If LE thought it was a voluntary disappearance, would they send someone that far just to interview one possible witness?

I figure that would be at least 4 hours of deputy time. Do they have enough coverage in Hardeman County to invest that much into something that seemed like it was probably a domestic dispute?

I was thinking maybe they would ask the local PD to send someone over, not drive out there themselves.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 11:06 PM
:offtopic:

oy vey I am getting heart-burn! :(

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 11:07 PM
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/lawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509


Sources close to Fox 13 say that at least one of the bodies found in Adam Mayes' Guntown, Mississippi residence was strangled. The killings happened at the Bain's garage in Whiteville, Tennessee on or about April 27. From the article, the lawyers begin to speak...

TM's Lawyer:


Reached by phone, Teresa Mayes' attorney says this is her client's first brush with the law.

"She's very nervous, very quiet," says Public Defender Shana McCoy Johnson. "She's scared."

Johnson says Teresa and Adam married 11 years ago, but were unable to have kids. Johnson says Teresa holds a high school special education diploma. Plus, she's been to a mental health facility before. Johnson recently requested her client undergo a mental health evaluation.Ma <modsnip> Mayes lawyer:


"She did assert that she's not guilty," says Dickus.

Dickus claims, "She's confused and upset, she has a disabled husband and worried about his case, but her primary concern is that these children be returned."

sleuthupdate
05-09-2012, 11:07 PM
Do you know how old the child is that GB and AM's sister had together?

She was at GB's house with her daughter (AM's great niece).

winterrose
05-09-2012, 11:08 PM
Maybe AM molested the younger girls for years and was afraid if they moved away, they would tell on him. Maybe mom and sister found out? Thinking why? why did he kill them?
Why did mom and sister go to garage? Did they find one of the small girls missing in the morning? See something they shouldn't in that garage??

This is what's even more disturbing with him looking for viagra. You know in a SO's sick mind, if they act like a child is thier daughter, they feel they belong to them and can do what they want. Either he's in fantasy about this daughter thing, or he's wanting people to believe it so he can have an excuse to hug and kiss on them in front of people. Sorry, that's so disturbing even writing it, but it's the truth. It makes me wonder if JB and AB were trying to get GB to see it. There's something that caused him to murder them and not just take the girls.

sijiazhentan
05-09-2012, 11:08 PM
Get him

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 11:11 PM
Has anyone reviewed craigslist to see if AM or TM have attempted to sell anything in order to finance their crime?

Not sure but I thought NG said AM sold his motorcycle..

Patty G
05-09-2012, 11:11 PM
She was at GB's house with her daughter (AM's great niece).

Thank you, I am aware she was at GB's house. I was looking for the age of the GB's older daughter.

ETA: Members kind enough to indicate she is in her 20's. Thank you all.

SoBeCzar
05-09-2012, 11:11 PM
From Muckrucker's link. The attorney is talking about his client MM: Dickus claims, "She's confused and upset, she has a disabled husband and worried about his case, but her primary concern is that these children be returned."

What case?
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D7895990%26posted%3D1%23post78959 90&v=1&libid=1336619502294&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews %2Flocal%2Flawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D7895 971&title=TN%20TN%20-%20Joann%20Bain%2C%2014%20y.o.%20daughter%20deceas ed%3B%202%20missing%2C%20Hardeman%2C%2027%20Apr%20 2012%20-%233%20-%20Page%2035%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community%23po st7895990%23post7895990&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews ...t-rpt-20120509&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13366196140811

jen&jonhart
05-09-2012, 11:11 PM
I do not think it is TN or MS as the dirt is not red. JMO though!

I live in Ms and my dirt is brown, and muddy from the rain lol. Oh and the dirt in my garden is kinda black.

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 11:12 PM
No his niece was at the house with her child and GB....she was not killed. She is the older daughter of GB and AM's sister (who is GB's ex-wife) I think....Gawd I am so confused.:banghead:

This is beginning to sound like the song, "Dem Dry Bones". Gb's connected to AM, AM's connected to TM,.............etc etc
:floorlaugh:

FrayedKnot
05-09-2012, 11:13 PM
Thank you, I am aware she was at GB's house. I was looking for the age of the GB's older daughter.

I remember reading she was in her twenties. I will see if I can scare up the article. My brains is hurting awful much, tho, so I might not be so speedy! :/


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jen&jonhart
05-09-2012, 11:13 PM
Thank you, I am aware she was at GB's house. I was looking for the age of the GB's older daughter.

Somewhere one of the links says she's 20. I;m sorry cant remember which one.

Muckrucker
05-09-2012, 11:13 PM
From Muckrucker's link. The attorney is talking about his client MM: Dickus claims, "She's confused and upset, she has a disabled husband and worried about his case, but her primary concern is that these children be returned."

What case?
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D7895990%26posted%3D1%23post78959 90&v=1&libid=1336619502294&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews %2Flocal%2Flawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D7895 971&title=TN%20TN%20-%20Joann%20Bain%2C%2014%20y.o.%20daughter%20deceas ed%3B%202%20missing%2C%20Hardeman%2C%2027%20Apr%20 2012%20-%233%20-%20Page%2035%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community%23po st7895990%23post7895990&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews ...t-rpt-20120509&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13366196140811

I was wondering the same thing. Does she mean his medical case, since it's been reported that he's ill, or did she mean a civil or criminal case?

Jelly Doughnut
05-09-2012, 11:13 PM
From Muckrucker's link. The attorney is talking about his client MM: Dickus claims, "She's confused and upset, she has a disabled husband and worried about his case, but her primary concern is that these children be returned."

What case?
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D7895990%26posted%3D1%23post78959 90&v=1&libid=1336619502294&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews %2Flocal%2Flawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D7895 971&title=TN%20TN%20-%20Joann%20Bain%2C%2014%20y.o.%20daughter%20deceas ed%3B%202%20missing%2C%20Hardeman%2C%2027%20Apr%20 2012%20-%233%20-%20Page%2035%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community%23po st7895990%23post7895990&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmemphis.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews ...t-rpt-20120509&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13366196140811


Maybe "case" was a typo and it should be "care" ---- maybe?

susan1122
05-09-2012, 11:15 PM
What I am reading, Adrienne and Alexandria are children from the marriage of JB and MJ. Apparently, both girls do not have their father's last name. Now the question is, when did GB and JB get married and did GB adopt the two older children.

Gary Bain, the husband of Jo Ann Bain and the biological father of 8 year old Kaliyah is too upset to talk right now. Mark Johnson the biological father of 14 year old Adrienne and Alexandria is also too upset to talk. Relatives say they are devastated

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18237179/hardeman-county-residents-gather-to-remember-and-pray-for-bain-family

That is what I have read....GB adopted the two older girls.

Patty G
05-09-2012, 11:16 PM
I so don't like "sources close to the investigation" as they seem to back-fire from time to time especially with FOX affliates.

The article claims the killings, meaning both, happened in the garage and that is not what is stated in the affidavit. One in the garage, and the other gave the address.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/lawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509

Patty G
05-09-2012, 11:17 PM
I remember reading she was in her twenties. I will see if I can scare up the article. My brains is hurting awful much, tho, so I might not be so speedy! :/


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No need to locate the article. If you read in her twenties, that works for me. Thank you.

winterrose
05-09-2012, 11:17 PM
Thank you, I am aware she was at GB's house. I was looking for the age of the GB's older daughter.

Born 2/88

Nana46
05-09-2012, 11:17 PM
I live in Ms and my dirt is brown, and muddy from the rain lol. Oh and the dirt in my garden is kinda black.

And I am in TN and our dirt is brown, fwiw,lol

Portabella
05-09-2012, 11:19 PM
I so don't like "sources close to the investigation" as they seem to back-fire from time to time especially with FOX affliates.

The article claims the killingsmeaning both, happened in the garage and that is not what is stated in the affidavit. One in the garage, and the other gave the address.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/lawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509

I am just speculating, but that could be because TM actually witnessed the murder of JB, however may have been preoccupied with the children or loading of JB when AB was murdered. If she did not see the murder happen of AB, then she could only state that she knew it happened at the residence but it would be speculation as to the location at said residence. For accuracy purposes on the affidavit I believe that is why it was written as it was....IMHO

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 11:22 PM
If AM could murder JB and the older daughter, I can't imagine he would care what GB might have to say. Any plea by GB would be useless. They're not friends. AM is a cold-blooded killer.

Further, why must GB be on camera and/or giving interviews and publicly grieve or else be thought suspicious of something? Why does he need to prove something to us (the public)? I guarantee if he did he'd be analyzed up the yingyang and every blink of his eye would be scrutinized because that's what people love to do. Then someone would have a bad feeling or a dream or something based on their interpretation of what they think they saw when he was on TV. Ugh.

Allegedly, according to one unconfirmed report, AM somehow drugged the family. Or the father was asleep and perhaps AM lured the mother and older daughter separately to whatever room or outside garage where he killed them.

But GB not giving interviews and being 'seen' by the viewing public shouldn't be made into anything hinky. The man lost at least part of his family, and possibly most, and there's an expectation that he should do something that is for public consumption (and curiosity)? No.

Thank you was not enough.

GB is at an age where he was probably thinking ahead to retirement, to spending his golden years with his daughters and grandchildren and his beautiful wife (who, judging from her FB, seemed devoted to him). It looks like he found love later in life and it must have seemed like such a miracle to him.

And now it has all been ripped away from him.

I don't want to force him to parade his grief in front of millions of people for whom it is just a spectacle. I'm always sad that so many families are forced to do so in order to get help in finding their loved ones.

Let him grieve in private. I hope his daughter and grandchild are a comfort to him.

cluciano63
05-09-2012, 11:24 PM
If he thinks one or both of the girls is his...either he had an affair with Joann at some point, or he is delusional, right? What other answer can there be?

Besides the obvious (what is going on now), is there evidence that he was delusional/deranged in the past?

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 11:26 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171583&highlight=joann+bain+information

Link to timeline, information, and links

epiphany
05-09-2012, 11:26 PM
What RAGE would make AM plan this murder of a young woman and a 14 year old girl?
I guess I can see the kidknapping of 2 children if you think they are yours. But murder?
and wife knew and mother covered this up for days and helped disguised the children?
You could never make this stuff up................


And wife (TM) is so fed up with her hubby (AM) paying so much attention to the younger sisters (Rumor-who may or may not be his daughter/s) that she participates in the murders (2x first degree murder charges), and then drives the bodies away, etc.

Whaat!?!

Perhaps, I've become too jaded...IMO, this stinks of pedophiliac depravities and wife knew about his sickening pedophiliac proclivities, etc. Now, after the fact, she's crying me that river.

Not buying any of it. IMO, this will be some twisted sexual scenario involving pedophilia with knowledge plus more, by Teresa M (the wife).

Shelby2
05-09-2012, 11:29 PM
And wife (TM) is so fed up with her hubby (AM) paying so much attention to the younger sisters (Rumor-who may or may not be his daughter/s) that she participates in the murders (2x first degree murder charges), and then drives the bodies away, etc.

Whaat!?!

Perhaps, I've become too jaded...IMO, this stinks of pedophiliac depravities and wife knew about his sickening pedophilia proclivities, etc. Now, after the fact, she's crying me that river.

Not buying any of it. IMO, this will be some twisted sexual scenario involving pedophilia.

And what about his mother? This is one twisted family.

Ghostwheel
05-09-2012, 11:29 PM
???

It's all over CNN, CNN.com, FOX, MSNBC, HLN, etc, etc. and has been for days.My CNN.com homepage doesn't even show it at all. I have to go to the Justice tab to find anything about it. My msmnbc.com has it buried in the list of "other top stories". If you aren't in the area it happened (AZ probably has something, too), it's not big front page news. It's kind of buried with "Terror Group May Have More Underwear Bombs."

Isabelle
05-09-2012, 11:37 PM
Hopefully someone will turn this goon in, now that the reward is so high!

Reannan
05-09-2012, 11:42 PM
This case makes me sick on so many levels!!! Just got home and trying to catch up to a nightmare. I live in South Carolina and I have looked at every vehicle on the road, today and tonight, trying to find these two little girls who need someone to hug them and make them feel safe. I can't even stand to think about how they feel right now - it drives me insane. How the HE!! does AM think he can murder their Mother and sister, and then just march off into the future with them, and they will be cool with that? How the HE!! does TM think she will benefit by helping her EX-HUSBAND with the kidnapping and murder of a FAMILY!!!!!!??? I just want to bash my head into a wall trying to understand this. I can't understand this. I can't stomach this. I want to put a bullet in AM SO BAD!!!! I want those little girls to be found NOW!!!!! I could just scream about now. :banghead:

MaryJaneSmith
05-09-2012, 11:42 PM
Have been out all day and am trying to catch up. Got the news earlier that TM was charged with murder. However, after reading back a few pages there are a few things i am confused about. First off, what's this about AM and viagra? Second, how much did they raise the reward to? Forgive me, but I am new to this place, and have a tough time navigating to the right places. LOL takes me forever to find the latest pages. What else did I miss since this morning? Whew this place is hopping, and I can't keep up!

JeannieC
05-09-2012, 11:43 PM
Thank you was not enough.

GB is at an age where he was probably thinking ahead to retirement, to spending his golden years with his daughters and grandchildren and his beautiful wife (who, judging from her FB, seemed devoted to him). It looks like he found love later in life and it must have seemed like such a miracle to him.

And now it has all been ripped away from him.

I don't want to force him to parade his grief in front of millions of people for whom it is just a spectacle. I'm always sad that so many families are forced to do so in order to get help in finding their loved ones.

Let him grieve in private. I hope his daughter and grandchild are a comfort to him.

This is just a thought but it might be in the best interest of the girls for GB to stay out of the media. Law Enforcement might be wanting GB to keep quiet and I'm sure he isn't ready yet. This is different from a stranger kidnapping. If GB gets in front of the camera and pleads for the return of his daughters it just might provoke AM.

AM claims they are his. He probably resents GB because the girls. GB had the loving wife and 4 daughters. He had it all.

IF AM is delusional this could set him off. At this point, I'm not sure there is anyone who could talk to AM and get him to surrender the girls. This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. He planned it and involved others. He isn't going to give up that easy. imo

SpongeBathHotPants
05-09-2012, 11:44 PM
Here in AZ there isn't much about this story, I had to come here to find out about it. As for the red dirt, in Sedona (about and hour and a half north of Phoenix) they have the red rocks, it's an entire strech of forest that is nothing but red rocks and red dirt. Hope that helps.

CrankyAngel
05-09-2012, 11:44 PM
Hi all, still trying to catch up! This thread moves fast and furious lol.

I really think the media is almost hurting this case more than anything by releasing half truths and missinformation. So annoying!

What ever happened with the 1% biker gang theory? I felt like they may have helped him in the beginning but stopped after the id's on the bodies were confirmed.

Ghostwheel
05-09-2012, 11:46 PM
I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?

Reannan
05-09-2012, 11:46 PM
This is just a thought but it might be in the best interest of the girls for GB to stay out of the media. Law Enforcement might be wanting GB to keep quiet and I'm sure he isn't ready yet. This is different from a stranger kidnapping. If GB gets in front of the camera and pleads for the return of his daughters it just might provoke AM.

AM claims they are his. He probably resents GB because the girls. GB had the loving wife and 4 daughters. He had it all.

IF AM is delusional this could set him off. At this point, I'm not sure there is anyone who could talk to AM and get him to surrender the girls. This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. He planned it and involved others. He isn't going to give up that easy. imo

Best post ever... I totally agree with everything you said!!! GB is in a horrible place!!!!

Roxye
05-09-2012, 11:51 PM
And I am in TN and our dirt is brown, fwiw,lol


Lol! I am in Tennessee as well and I remember being shocked by the color of the dirt when I moved here from Kentucky 18 years ago. When I till my garden every year, it is red clay dirt I see. ( Then I add fertilizer) It still shocks me every year. You would think I would be used to it by now

BeginnersLuck
05-09-2012, 11:53 PM
I think AM, being a selfish, controlling individual thought of these 2 girls as his property (that he owned them.) I don't believe in anyway that he was the father of either. In his mind though, he had become obsessed to the point of stealing them. He was stated as being a little boy in a big mans body. This indicates to me that he socialized better with children, could control and manipulate them and may have sexual intentions.

This could have lead TM to believe that there was something going on between JB and AM when in reality it was the children he was obsessed with. Not wanting to think that his desires were toward a child, she would assume it was JB. This could play in AM's favor as far getting her to help carry out the murders.

I think that AM probably manipulated each family member individually setting up this scenerio.

He very well may have drugged them so they weren't thinking clearly or to knock them out. He had access to psychiatric meds through his wife for example, or someone could have had a script for sleeping meds. I don't necessarily think that he would have had to drug anyone though to pull this off. A gun would be enough to keep someone quiet while each person was taken out of the house one at a time.

GrainneDhu
05-09-2012, 11:57 PM
If he was supposed to be leaving to drive the U Haul to Arizona that day, I doubt he would have been working. I agree I feel awful for GB, his life is shattered right now. I just hope they can bring his two girls home to him.

I still find it odd that GB did not drive to AM when his wife and kids disappeared. I am just trying to figure this out. I DO NOT believe GB is anything but a victim in this, so please don't get me wrong. I am just thinking about the last tweets and posts of the deceased. I wonder if somehow AM did not put a seed of doubt into GB's mind about his own wife. So when she disappeared and AM disappeared (when he was supposed to be there to drive the U haul with him), he did not think that she had run off with AM and the children. The fact that GB wrote that on her fb about her working things out with him, and the statement he made that all she has to do is call and let "LE lay eyes on her" and it would be over or done. I think the poor man actually thought she ran out on him. Perhaps AM mentally manipulated him over time too. I think AM is the freaking devil.... Please God let the babies be brought home to GB. The pain he must be in is unimaginable....IMHO

I agree with you.

I also think, which is more likely? "My wife and three daughters have been abducted by a crazy man that I've known as a family member for more than 20 years and two of them are already dead!!!" or "Jo Ann ran away..."

Lots of women run away, some with other men. Comparatively few women are abducted with their three children.

Maybe I'm just too easy going but my first thoughts would not have jumped to abduction and mayhem but to a voluntary disappearance.

For all we know, GB did call AM and AM lied in a very convincing manner. Something along the lines of "Nope, I haven't seen Jo Ann or the girls... I thought you and I were leaving for Arizona tomorrow, so I came back home to get some stuff. I woke up early, couldn't sleep, so I left early. I didn't see anyone."

MaryJaneSmith
05-09-2012, 11:58 PM
I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?I tend to agree with you. I guess in order to look at the facts without emotion, a woman with a special ed diploma and/or a low IQ with emotional and mental problems would be an easy mark for someone who likes to have subservient females around them. I think I will save judgement on her until I know more. What kind of woman would allow her husband to go spend time with another woman or the children knowing that he has a thing for them? One that is under the man's control. No woman that hasn't been either beaten or drugged into submission would allow her man to go romance other females, much less abuse children. She is either borderline mentally retarded, or she is controlled in another way. I don't believe she would have gone and done this all on her own without being told what to do by AM. She deserves the punishment she will receive. We just don't know enough to be the jury. MOO Do we know if she could have stopped him? Would he have killed her too? Then again, how do we know that she didn't kill JB in a fit of jealous rage and is conveniently blaming hubby for it? I've missed a lot today, so ya'll steer me back the right way if I am way off track here.

simlyme
05-09-2012, 11:59 PM
You stayed up all night hoping they would find the girls?

YES :blushing:

Ladylub
05-10-2012, 12:00 AM
Sorry. Should have clarified. IF the Game Over T shirt guy is WITH the little girl in the video, then it is weird that he fidgets a lot and doesn't talk to her.

It was a complete assumption on my part that these two people were together.

The little girl buys two cokes. Gives the cashier a few dollars. Receives change. And exits.

The Game Over guy says something to the cashier and exits. Seems strange to stand in line all the time just to say something and then leave.

So, I assumed they were together.

Also, playing into this assumption is my own world view> that you don't let children walk into stores alone.


The cashier reaches over the counter and hands something to her making me think it was one of those automatic change things confusing the girl as to where her change was. Guy behind her to smile a bit. Guy behind her handed cash to the cashier for gas. (Hands cash and points outside saying something.)

sherbetjello
05-10-2012, 12:00 AM
Here in AZ there isn't much about this story, I had to come here to find out about it.

I hear hourly reports about this story on CNN. It does help if news is local, especially searching for a FBI top 10, but this is most defiantly national news.

It's mind boggling that whomever is shacking him up, if anyone, they haven't turned him in for the reward.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:00 AM
We know that mother and her husband did let him spend time with the children. So they must have not believed there was anything strange going on.
I really don't see why it's out of realm of possibility that he actually did date the mother before she married her current husband.

susan1122
05-10-2012, 12:01 AM
If he thinks one or both of the girls is his...either he had an affair with Joann at some point, or he is delusional, right? What other answer can there be?

Besides the obvious (what is going on now), is there evidence that he was delusional/deranged in the past?

I wonder if he is more sinister than delusional. Lying that he thought the girls were his, instead of really believing it. A thought occurred to me. If he is as arrogant and self centered as his brother JLM says, maybe he was angry that TM couldn't have kids. Maybe, to prove his manhood, he said the girls were his. This wouldn't explain way he kidnapped them though. But it could be a complicated mixture of delusion, arrogance, drugs and evil......sociopathy.

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:01 AM
Hi all, still trying to catch up! This thread moves fast and furious lol.

I really think the media is almost hurting this case more than anything by releasing half truths and missinformation. So annoying!

What ever happened with the 1% biker gang theory? I felt like they may have helped him in the beginning but stopped after the id's on the bodies were confirmed.

I'd have to see some more proof of having biker associations instead of him just being a want a be biker. From what we have got so far on him, I don't think the bikers would want him either.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:02 AM
Delusions? He apparently didn't have delusions that the older girl was his. And of course she ended up dead.

JeannieC
05-10-2012, 12:03 AM
This case makes me sick on so many levels!!! Just got home and trying to catch up to a nightmare. I live in South Carolina and I have looked at every vehicle on the road, today and tonight, trying to find these two little girls who need someone to hug them and make them feel safe. I can't even stand to think about how they feel right now - it drives me insane. How the HE!! does AM think he can murder their Mother and sister, and then just march off into the future with them, and they will be cool with that? How the HE!! does TM think she will benefit by helping her EX-HUSBAND with the kidnapping and murder of a FAMILY!!!!!!??? I just want to bash my head into a wall trying to understand this. I can't understand this. I can't stomach this. I want to put a bullet in AM SO BAD!!!! I want those little girls to be found NOW!!!!! I could just scream about now. :banghead:

Don't hold back..........tell us what you really think! :Banane39:

GrainneDhu
05-10-2012, 12:04 AM
Well, one thing for sure, he wasn't running with two little girls ages 8 & 12 like Adam is currently doing, IF he is still running with them, or no one is running at all!

Dylan Groene was 9 years old and Shasta was 8 years old when Joseph Duncan was holding them hostage in the woods.

I think having two children hostage might actually be easier than one because AM could threaten the well being of one child to keep the other child in line. And I doubt he's terribly concerned about giving them good nutritious meals and snacks or making sure they are sleeping in warm, dry beds...

Ghostwheel
05-10-2012, 12:06 AM
I agree with you.

I also think, which is more likely? "My wife and three daughters have been abducted by a crazy man that I've known as a family member for more than 20 years and two of them are already dead!!!" or "Jo Ann ran away..."

Lots of women run away, some with other men. Comparatively few women are abducted with their three children.

Maybe I'm just too easy going but my first thoughts would not have jumped to abduction and mayhem but to a voluntary disappearance.

For all we know, GB did call AM and AM lied in a very convincing manner. Something along the lines of "Nope, I haven't seen Jo Ann or the girls... I thought you and I were leaving for Arizona tomorrow, so I came back home to get some stuff. I woke up early, couldn't sleep, so I left early. I didn't see anyone."Funny thing, my first thoughts WOULD have been abduction and mayhem, not necessarily with the "crazy man that I've known as a family member", though. I would never think a member of my family simply ran away. Spousey would tell me in no uncertain terms "I'm outta here!"

Ladylub
05-10-2012, 12:06 AM
I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

First stop saying you are ugly. Feel good about yourself the way you are. Hard lesson to learn and for me it is taking me till after having kids to see that Im very hard on myself. I raise both my kids to not question what others think of them only to do it myself. My 4 and 6 yr old are quick to tell me to stop worrying about others and they use my line, " Do you like your clothes, hair etc ( whatever they are worried about)?, Do you think and feel you look good?, Then stop worrying about everyone else."

And while men might turn the other way and not look, a female will look and pick every part of her out that they find odd. I have to say I would remember a tall woman like that especially since Im only 4'8.

Thinker Belle
05-10-2012, 12:08 AM
I have been following this case and praying for the safe return of those children. How terrified they must be to know their mom and sis are dead and their fate lies in the hands of the killer. I'm so thankful this case is getting all of the attention it has garnered, increasing the chances the perp is found along with the girls. Just a matter of time.. PLEASE let them be alive and unhurt..

epiphany
05-10-2012, 12:09 AM
I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?

Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.

Muckrucker
05-10-2012, 12:09 AM
Has anyone done the math yet on all the charges against TM? Six felony counts in the case - two first-degree murder charges and four especially aggravated kidnapping charges.

Off to look those up.

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:10 AM
I agree with you.

I also think, which is more likely? "My wife and three daughters have been abducted by a crazy man that I've known as a family member for more than 20 years and two of them are already dead!!!" or "Jo Ann ran away..."

Lots of women run away, some with other men. Comparatively few women are abducted with their three children.

Maybe I'm just too easy going but my first thoughts would not have jumped to abduction and mayhem but to a voluntary disappearance.

For all we know, GB did call AM and AM lied in a very convincing manner. Something along the lines of "Nope, I haven't seen Jo Ann or the girls... I thought you and I were leaving for Arizona tomorrow, so I came back home to get some stuff. I woke up early, couldn't sleep, so I left early. I didn't see anyone."


I agree, this is most likely how it happened or something close to it. I have a feeling that AM had a story for GB and LE in the beginning to hold them off and it did work for a little while unfortunately.

Ghostwheel
05-10-2012, 12:13 AM
Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.Not saying she should be let off the hook. Simply saying she may not be evil incarnate as some would have us believe. Speaking from knowing several people who, when off their meds, do really stupid things, including, but not limited to, nearly starving themselves by forgetting they need to eat, and making passes at their best friends wives.

GrainneDhu
05-10-2012, 12:14 AM
If he thinks one or both of the girls is his...either he had an affair with Joann at some point, or he is delusional, right? What other answer can there be?

Besides the obvious (what is going on now), is there evidence that he was delusional/deranged in the past?

Or he was telling a cold blooded lie to camouflage the true nature of his interest in the girls.

I notice that the people who are saying that AM was claiming that he was the biological father of one or both girls seem like people unlikely to actually come into contact with GB or JB.

I think he was a very slick abuser; one characteristic of such abusers is that they try to keep the people in their lives in separate compartments. It was probably easier because he lived 80 miles away from the Bains.

ETA: And even if those people that AM had claimed to be the biological father of one or both girls did know GB and JB, how likely was it that they would bring up such a delicate subject with them? My mind boggles: "hey, Gary and Jo Ann, do you have an open marriage or what? AM told me he's A and K's biological father but the two of you seem so happy together..."

I think that if AM was lying, he knew darn well there was little to no chance of his claims coming to GB or JB's ears.

KALI
05-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Knew where he was planning on hiding?
Maybe now that they've been arrested he's changed his original plan?

I am still blown away that his wife and Mother participated in the killing of a 14 year old.
I hope they rot in prision forever/ for what they have done.

This is a horror movie that has not even been yet!

I swear, I am even MORE angry at his mother and his wife then him.
I hope the judicial system hits them with ALL they've got.
Dispicable.

CrankyAngel
05-10-2012, 12:18 AM
Haven't seen this posted yet, sorry if I missed it. This case gets more and more disturbing.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/09/mayes-neighbor-says-suspect-wanted-viagra

"NEED TO KNOW
Neighbor says Adam Mayes offered $10 a pill for Viagra
Neighbor: Mayes 'made it loud and clear' to everyone in town that he and his wife did not sleep in same bed
Says victims were at Mayes’ home 'all the time'"

GrainneDhu
05-10-2012, 12:18 AM
My CNN.com homepage doesn't even show it at all. I have to go to the Justice tab to find anything about it. My msmnbc.com has it buried in the list of "other top stories". If you aren't in the area it happened (AZ probably has something, too), it's not big front page news. It's kind of buried with "Terror Group May Have More Underwear Bombs."

You (and the other people who can't find the story on their usual newsfeeds) are probably victims of "bubbling."

Bubbling is where various sites gather and pool personal information about you and then give you the results they think you want rather than the straight-up unfiltered results. So they keep you contained in your own little bubble... which may or may not suit you.

Just your IP address can be used to peg your general geographical location, unless you use a service like TOR.

The problem with TOR is that it is very good at concealing your identity but it is slooooow.

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 12:19 AM
I tend to agree with you. I guess in order to look at the facts without emotion, a woman with a special ed diploma and/or a low IQ with emotional and mental problems would be an easy mark for someone who likes to have subservient females around them. I think I will save judgement on her until I know more. What kind of woman would allow her husband to go spend time with another woman or the children knowing that he has a thing for them? One that is under the man's control. No woman that hasn't been either beaten or drugged into submission would allow her man to go romance other females, much less abuse children. She is either borderline mentally retarded, or she is controlled in another way. I don't believe she would have gone and done this all on her own without being told what to do by AM. She deserves the punishment she will receive. We just don't know enough to be the jury. MOO Do we know if she could have stopped him? Would he have killed her too? Then again, how do we know that she didn't kill JB in a fit of jealous rage and is conveniently blaming hubby for it? I've missed a lot today, so ya'll steer me back the right way if I am way off track here.


Wise wise words, MaryJane. I totally agree. Women with no mental challenges can be totally controlled by and subservient to abusive men. We've seen it here over and over.

Others who question why didn't she stop him, etc there are many here who have explained to us why and what they themselves have been through in abusive situations.

I said in an earlier post I did not believe some of the things that were said about her. If Moma (MM) favored AM as much as AM's brother said then TM was definitely the lowest one on the totem pole in that house.

I am definitely reserving judgement on her.

Muckrucker
05-10-2012, 12:20 AM
Teresa is facing:

* 4 counts of Especially Aggravated Kidnapping in TN - which has the following sentencing guidelines:


(1) Class A felony, not less than fifteen (15) nor more than sixty (60) years. In addition, the jury may assess a fine not to exceed fifty thousand dollars ($50,000), unless otherwise provided by statute;

Definition of Especially Aggravated Kidnapping


39-13-305 - Especially Aggravated Kidnapping —



(a) Especially aggravated kidnapping is false imprisonment, as defined in § 39-13-302:

(1) Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;

(2) Where the victim was under the age of thirteen (13) at the time of the removal or confinement;

(3) Committed to hold the victim for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or

(4) Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury.

(b) (1) Especially aggravated kidnapping is a Class A felony.

(2) If the offender voluntarily releases the victim alive or voluntarily provides information leading to the victim's safe release, such actions shall be considered by the court as a mitigating factor at the time of sentencing.

Teresa is also facing 2 First Degree Murder charges:


39-13-202. First degree murder.
(a) First degree murder is:
(1) A premeditated and intentional killing of another;
(2) A killing of another committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any first degree murder, act of terrorism, arson, rape, robbery, burglary, theft, kidnapping, aggravated child abuse, aggravated child neglect, rape of a child, aggravated rape of a child or aircraft piracy; or
(3) A killing of another committed as the result of the unlawful throwing, placing or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.
(b) No culpable mental state is required for conviction under subdivision (a)(2) or (a)(3), except the intent to commit the enumerated offenses or acts in those subdivisions.
(c) A person convicted of first degree murder shall be punished by:
(1) Death;
(2) Imprisonment for life without possibility of parole; or
(3) Imprisonment for life.
(d) As used in subdivision (a)(1), “premeditation” is an act done after the exercise of reflection and judgment. “Premeditation” means that the intent to kill must have been formed prior to the act itself. It is not necessary that the purpose to kill pre-exist in the mind of the accused for any definite period of time. The mental state of the accused at the time the accused allegedly decided to kill must be carefully considered in order to determine whether the accused was sufficiently free from excitement and passion as to be capable of premeditation.

I don't think TM is going to be seeing the great outdoors for a very, very, very long time. for her 'first brush with the law', she sure started with a bang...

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 12:22 AM
Or he was telling a cold blooded lie to camouflage the true nature of his interest in the girls.

I notice that the people who are saying that AM was claiming that he was the biological father of one or both girls seem like people unlikely to actually come into contact with GB or JB.

I think he was a very slick abuser; one characteristic of such abusers is that they try to keep the people in their lives in separate compartments. It was probably easier because he lived 80 miles away from the Bains.

And they keep the abused one's under their control by isolating them as much as possible.

Seek&Find
05-10-2012, 12:26 AM
Not saying she should be let off the hook. Simply saying she may not be evil incarnate as some would have us believe. Speaking from knowing several people who, when off their meds, do really stupid things, including, but not limited to, nearly starving themselves by forgetting they need to eat, and making passes at their best friends wives.

Not quite equivalent to actively participating in the preplanned abduction of children and the murder of one child and one family friend, assisting in transportation of the bodies (one probably drove JB's vehicle to hide it, one theirs, so she could've taken off to get help), and keeping said children captive.

I worked for years with special ed, learning disabled, mentally troubled and at-risk youth. Differently abled does not equate to lacking a conscience. Moo but the posts defending TM and suspecting GB are offensive and distracting. Two little terrified girls are being held captive.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:26 AM
And they keep the abused one's under their control by isolating them as much as possible.

How did TM show up at the house? AM was staying there to help them pack.
I presume TM had to drive up there?

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:27 AM
"The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

You know for not talking to her sister for 10 years, which she stated in other articles, this woman sure does run her mouth. I really can't place any truth in what Booth says and think maybe she may be one we see behind bars in the future. I'm not saying this statement isn't true but if so these girls have been molested for some time.

CrankyAngel
05-10-2012, 12:27 AM
Not sure but I thought NG said AM sold his motorcycle..

I checked craigslist and didn't find anything that could have been posted by him. There is someone of FB that says she purchased tires from him a week or so before this all happened.

pugglesworth
05-10-2012, 12:29 AM
I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.

-Small head
-Low nasal bridge
-Small eye openings
-Epicanthal folds
-Short nose
-Smooth philitrum
-Underdeveloped jaw
...
-Heart defects

Behavioral traits:

Lack of appropriate social behavior
Manipulative behavior
Places self and others in harms way
Likes to stir up chaos
No cause and effect thinking
Defiant
Failure in school
Poor eye contact
Low IQ
Hygiene issues
Poor memory
(More, but I snipped some that seemed most relevant)

As adults:

Lack of social skills
Inability to read body language
Inability to understand and obey the laws
Can’t take care of personal finances
Thrives in potentially dangerous situations
Inability to tell time on an analog watch
Unable to hold down a job
Sexually inappropriate behavior
Can’t follow directions
No resistance to peer pressure
“In your face” personality
Can’t learn to use public transportation
Likes living on the edge
Drug and alcohol abuse
Memory problems
Mental illness
Inability to focus
Forgets medications
Easily confused
Can’t live independently
Homelessness
Manipulative behavior
Lying and stealing
Victimization
Argumentative nature

http://kidstoadopt.org/adoption-resources/medical-conditions/about-fetal-alcohol-syndrome/

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 12:29 AM
Not saying she should be let off the hook. Simply saying she may not be evil incarnate as some would have us believe. Speaking from knowing several people who, when off their meds, do really stupid things, including, but not limited to, nearly starving themselves by forgetting they need to eat, and making passes at their best friends wives.

Amen to that, I haven't heard anyone say she should go free. I'm sure she will be punished. I've just been around Websleuths long enough to learn that things are not always as they seem and I'm waiting to judge her.

I suspect MM is much more involved as far as the planning and conniving.
I don't buy for one minute she wasn't involved from the get go and I also suspect when push came to shove TM was going to be the scapegoat for MM only TM didn't know that.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:31 AM
Well one thing he doesn't have is a "short turned up nose."
I am not sure why we are diagnosing him with various disorders all of the sudden.

Knox
05-10-2012, 12:32 AM
I tend to agree with you. I guess in order to look at the facts without emotion, a woman with a special ed diploma and/or a low IQ with emotional and mental problems would be an easy mark for someone who likes to have subservient females around them. I think I will save judgement on her until I know more. What kind of woman would allow her husband to go spend time with another woman or the children knowing that he has a thing for them? One that is under the man's control. No woman that hasn't been either beaten or drugged into submission would allow her man to go romance other females, much less abuse children. She is either borderline mentally retarded, or she is controlled in another way. I don't believe she would have gone and done this all on her own without being told what to do by AM. She deserves the punishment she will receive. We just don't know enough to be the jury. MOO Do we know if she could have stopped him? Would he have killed her too? Then again, how do we know that she didn't kill JB in a fit of jealous rage and is conveniently blaming hubby for it? I've missed a lot today, so ya'll steer me back the right way if I am way off track here.

There aren't many, but if you read her posts it seems as if she is very depressed. She talks about meds and 'fussin n fightin" with Adam, among other things.

https://www.facebook.com/smile.mayes?sk=wall

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:33 AM
How did TM show up at the house? AM was staying there to help them pack.
I presume TM had to drive up there?

I am confused by this also. Did he call TM and tell her to come? What vehicle did she drive? So he waits for her to get there and then kills mom and daughter? I do wonder if she didn't assist in the killings.

Ghostwheel
05-10-2012, 12:33 AM
Not quite equivalent to actively participating in the preplanned abduction of children and the murder of one child and one family friend, assisting in transportation of the bodies (one probably drove JB's vehicle to hide it, one theirs, so she could've taken off to get help), and keeping said children captive.

I worked for years with special ed, learning disabled, mentally troubled and at-risk youth. Differently abled does not equate to lacking a conscience. Moo but the posts defending TM and suspecting GB are offensive and distracting. Two little terrified girls are being held captive.Possibly as distracting as are posts bashing TM. MOO

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:34 AM
If she did drive to the house in the middle of the night that would be a long drive.

winterrose
05-10-2012, 12:34 AM
We know that mother and her husband did let him spend time with the children. So they must have not believed there was anything strange going on.
I really don't see why it's out of realm of possibility that he actually did date the mother before she married her current husband.

Anything's possible before JB and GB were married, but didn't he live in Florida around that time? TM's sister however is repeating what TM told her right before she was arrested.that she thinks JB and AM were having an affair. When Andersen asked her if she thought they were, she said yes. How would she know, she wasn't around any of them.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:35 AM
Anything's possible before JB and GB were married, but didn't he live in Florida around that time? TM's sister however is repeating what TM told her right before she was arrested.that she thinks JB and AM were having an affair. When Andersen asked her if she thought they were, she said yes. How would she know, she wasn't around any of them.

I don't know when any of them lived where because they seem to be moving around quite a lot.

pugglesworth
05-10-2012, 12:36 AM
Well one thing he doesn't have is a "short turned up nose."
I am not sure why we are diagnosing him with various disorders all of the sudden.

Well FAS is a lot more relevant than Marfan's is what I am saying, and a lot more probable. It's relevant because it's known to affect impulse control and planning.

GrainneDhu
05-10-2012, 12:36 AM
First stop saying you are ugly. Feel good about yourself the way you are. Hard lesson to learn and for me it is taking me till after having kids to see that Im very hard on myself. I raise both my kids to not question what others think of them only to do it myself. My 4 and 6 yr old are quick to tell me to stop worrying about others and they use my line, " Do you like your clothes, hair etc ( whatever they are worried about)?, Do you think and feel you look good?, Then stop worrying about everyone else."

And while men might turn the other way and not look, a female will look and pick every part of her out that they find odd. I have to say I would remember a tall woman like that especially since Im only 4'8.

Thank you.

I've actually grown to see my lack of physical beauty as a blessing of sorts. When I was younger, I had a horrible time in school and I would have given anything to be pretty or cute. Back then, I could never have admitted out loud that I'm ugly! At least, not without crying for 3 days over it.

I grew up and have had 3 great loves in my life, which is more than some people get. I came to realise that my ugliness is a pretty good filter that turns away people who are just interested in surface appearance.

Unlike some truly beautiful women, I have never had to wonder if my lover appreciated *me* or just my appearance.

As observed by the immortal bard Garth Brooks: "thank God for unanswered prayers."

Muckrucker
05-10-2012, 12:37 AM
How did TM show up at the house? AM was staying there to help them pack.
I presume TM had to drive up there?

Agree. Which is one of the reasons I keep going back to read through the latest affidavit. Honestly I still can't tell if this theory could be possible from the wording.

I've been wondering if TM drove the girls back in one vehicle, and AM drove the bodies back in another.

I swear I've read that affidavit 5 times, and I still can't decipher whether the statement about TM driving included both the live victims - and the bodies.

If it was possible, I would think they wouldn't have wanted the girls to yet know about the murders. They still might not.

And they would have had to drive both vehicles away, so wouldn't that be a plausible scenario?

Knox
05-10-2012, 12:37 AM
Teresa Mayes told investigators Adam planned to kidnap the two younger Bain sisters and the murders are connected to that. She said Adam Mayes, a family friend of the Bain's was fascinated with the girls, especially one of them.

"The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth.

Booth said the Mayes family moved to Mississippi soon after that because someone contacted authorities.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks
Who contacted authorities about what and when?

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:39 AM
Well FAS is a lot more relevant than Marfan's is what I am saying, and a lot more probable. It's relevant because it's known to affect impulse control and planning.

Instead of "short upturned nose" he has a long narrow nose. His philitrum isn't smooth. His jaw doesn't look small or underdeveloped to me.

Patty G
05-10-2012, 12:40 AM
Dylan Groene was 9 years old and Shasta was 8 years old when Joseph Duncan was holding them hostage in the woods.

I think having two children hostage might actually be easier than one because AM could threaten the well being of one child to keep the other child in line. And I doubt he's terribly concerned about giving them good nutritious meals and snacks or making sure they are sleeping in warm, dry beds...

I remember that case for sure, and Dylan being murdered leaving Duncan with one child.

My comment was still on the discussion of Eric Rudolph not traveling with anyone.

Of course, snacks, meals and warm beds would not be Adams main concern. :crazy:

SoBeCzar
05-10-2012, 12:42 AM
I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.
<snipped>

And wide set eyes. The first time I saw his pic I thought of fetal alcohol syndrome.

butterfly1978
05-10-2012, 12:42 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

This woman is getting on my nerves. For her not to have spoken to her sister in 11 years she sure does have aot to say and every day it seems like she has more to add and considering her sister is in jail now I doubt they are talking daily for her to have all this "new" information.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:43 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

This woman is getting on my nerves. For her not to have spoken to her sister in 11 years she sure does have aot to say and every day it seems like she has more to add and considering her sister is in jail now I doubt they are talking daily for her to have all this "new" information.

Yes, I don't know how she would get all this info if she hasn't talked to her sister in 11 years.

Shelby2
05-10-2012, 12:44 AM
YES :blushing:

No don't blush, I have done it too waiting for Isabel Celis-so you're not alone!!
:)

Roxye
05-10-2012, 12:44 AM
Having a documented mood disorder doesn't mean that it has YOU, it means that you have IT. And you control it, not the other way around.

MOO


Just because you have been correctly diagnosed and you are meds, doesn't mean you are the correct meds.

I was diagnosed as bi-polar at 19. In that first year I went through 36 different medication trying to control it. I quit it all! One med worked, but I couldn't sleep, so they gave me a med to sleep. That med made me drowsy when I was trying to wake up, so they gave me a med to awaken me in the morning.....ect...

What it came down to, was one medication that did work, required 4 more to get me through the day! Even then, I was a robot! Life sucked. I thought of suicide everyday.

15 years later, here I am. I am on only four medications that 'control' my mental illness. It isn't a solutions. It isn't a cure. I am still suicidal at times. I am still manic at times. But it is 'close'.

It took me 19 years to realize I would NEVER feel normal. Ever. The best I could hope for was feeling not bad. Going off your meds after this kind of diagnosis is normal. It happens to ALMOST EVER person who has been diagnosed.

Until you can live in that brain with that disorder.... don't judge them... YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

Shelby2
05-10-2012, 12:46 AM
So if his mother and wife were in on this, they must know where he was planning on going?? Unless he saw that they were arrested and had to change his plans?

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:46 AM
Agree. Which is one of the reasons I keep going back to read through the latest affidavit. Honestly I still can't tell if this theory could be possible from the wording.

I've been wondering if TM drove the girls back in one vehicle, and AM drove the bodies back in another.

I swear I've read that affidavit 5 times, and I still can't decipher whether the statement about TM driving included both the live victims - and the bodies.

If it was possible, I would think they wouldn't have wanted the girls to yet know about the murders. They still might not.

And they would have had to drive both vehicles away, so wouldn't that be a plausible scenario?

I see it more like they committed the murders and put them in the trunk or back of vehicle concealed well. Then went in and got the kids, giving them a story of going to stay in MS and having fun. I tend to think the girls were ablivious to what was going on.

jjenny
05-10-2012, 12:48 AM
If the girls don't know their mother and sister have been killed, they might have no clue that they were actually kidnapped. They could be thinking they are on vacation or something like that. He could be easily controlling these children.

winterrose
05-10-2012, 12:48 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

This woman is getting on my nerves. For her not to have spoken to her sister in 11 years she sure does have aot to say and every day it seems like she has more to add and considering her sister is in jail now I doubt they are talking daily for her to have all this "new" information.

She has seemed to change on the story of not talking to TM in 11 years to talking to her and now this added part. Is there a Flo in the family...never mind.

SoBeCzar
05-10-2012, 12:50 AM
Someone had to drive Jo Ann's vehicle to where it was found.

RoseRed
05-10-2012, 12:51 AM
And I am in TN and our dirt is brown, fwiw,lol
i am at my sisters in West Tennessee an the dirt is red . { Carroll County}

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 12:51 AM
Good grief, JJenny, I just typed out a great response to you questions. (Well I think it was great!) made lots of sense to me ;) and it went poof. I'll come back tomorrow and try again. It's past my bedtime and I guess it's the storms here but I keep losing signal.

Just because someone can drive does not mean they do not fear the person giving them orders. I've worked with several mentally challenged and brain injured adults, I suspect there's a lot more going on here with her than depression.

Also didn't MM come with her to Tenn? It's my opinion that MM is one of the planners and connivers here and made sure TM would be her scapegoat too. Think about it if as AM's brother said, MM only cared for one child and that was AM, no one can convince me that MM was not deeply involved from the get-go. Just look at the differences in appearance in the mug shots..If MM gets off scot free I am going to be furious...!
this is all only my opinion except the furious part that's a fact!

Hope this posts and I don't lose this one. If so I'm not trying again.

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 12:52 AM
Someone had to drive Jo Ann's vehicle to where it was found.

Yes, I'm guessing AM did and she followed behind and picked him up and they headed to MS.

Muckrucker
05-10-2012, 12:53 AM
Just because you have been correctly diagnosed and you are meds, doesn't mean you are the correct meds.

I was diagnosed as bi-polar at 19. In that first year I went through 36 different medication trying to control it. I quit it all! One med worked, but I couldn't sleep, so they gave me a med to sleep. That med made me drowsy when I was trying to wake up, so they gave me a med to awaken me in the morning.....ect...

What it came down to, was one medication that did work, required 4 more to get me through the day! Even then, I was a robot! Life sucked. I thought of suicide everyday.

15 years later, here I am. I am on only four medications that 'control' my mental illness. It isn't a solutions. It isn't a cure. I am still suicidal at times. I am still manic at times. But it is 'close'.

It took me 19 years to realize I would NEVER feel normal. Ever. The best I could hope for was feeling not bad. Going off your meds after this kind of diagnosis is normal. It happens to ALMOST EVER person who has been diagnosed.

Until you can live in that brain with that disorder.... don't judge them... YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

I'm sorry you went through such a difficult time. And am grateful that you are still around to share your story.

I deleted my post out of respect.

RoseRed
05-10-2012, 12:55 AM
I live in Ms and my dirt is brown, and muddy from the rain lol. Oh and the dirt in my garden is kinda black.
Sorry in some west TN counties the dirt is red.

Shelby2
05-10-2012, 12:55 AM
Just because you have been correctly diagnosed and you are meds, doesn't mean you are the correct meds.

I was diagnosed as bi-polar at 19. In that first year I went through 36 different medication trying to control it. I quit it all! One med worked, but I couldn't sleep, so they gave me a med to sleep. That med made me drowsy when I was trying to wake up, so they gave me a med to awaken me in the morning.....ect...

What it came down to, was one medication that did work, required 4 more to get me through the day! Even then, I was a robot! Life sucked. I thought of suicide everyday.

15 years later, here I am. I am on only four medications that 'control' my mental illness. It isn't a solutions. It isn't a cure. I am still suicidal at times. I am still manic at times. But it is 'close'.

It took me 19 years to realize I would NEVER feel normal. Ever. The best I could hope for was feeling not bad. Going off your meds after this kind of diagnosis is normal. It happens to ALMOST EVER person who has been diagnosed.

Until you can live in that brain with that disorder.... don't judge them... YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

First of all, I am glad that you are still here!
Secondly, ITA with your post. My daughter would give ANYTHING to be able to control her Bipolar Disorder.

Roxye
05-10-2012, 12:56 AM
I'm sorry you went through such a difficult time. And am grateful that you are still around to share your story.

Thank you! And me too!

GrainneDhu
05-10-2012, 12:57 AM
Just because you have been correctly diagnosed and you are meds, doesn't mean you are the correct meds.

I was diagnosed as bi-polar at 19. In that first year I went through 36 different medication trying to control it. I quit it all! One med worked, but I couldn't sleep, so they gave me a med to sleep. That med made me drowsy when I was trying to wake up, so they gave me a med to awaken me in the morning.....ect...

What it came down to, was one medication that did work, required 4 more to get me through the day! Even then, I was a robot! Life sucked. I thought of suicide everyday.

15 years later, here I am. I am on only four medications that 'control' my mental illness. It isn't a solutions. It isn't a cure. I am still suicidal at times. I am still manic at times. But it is 'close'.

It took me 19 years to realize I would NEVER feel normal. Ever. The best I could hope for was feeling not bad. Going off your meds after this kind of diagnosis is normal. It happens to ALMOST EVER person who has been diagnosed.

Until you can live in that brain with that disorder.... don't judge them... YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

Thank you so much for this post.

I just wanted to add that to every person who has ever said or implied that someone with a mental illness somehow chooses that illness or could simply decide not to have it, I ask: do you really and truly think anyone would choose to feel and/or think that way if they actually had a choice???

I used to have a social services type career and I can say I never met anyone with a mental illness who would not have gladly chosen to be normal. Who wouldn't have given significant years off their lifespan to be normal.

Mental illness is something no one wants. Really.

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 12:58 AM
Thanks Roxye, there are many others here who have a similar story.


Fetal Alcohol syndrome, the wide space between the eyes is a definite possibility and would explain a lot we've heard about him. He actually could have Marfan and be FAS!

Roxye
05-10-2012, 01:01 AM
First of all, I am glad that you are still here!
Secondly, ITA with your post. My daughter would give ANYTHING to be able to control her Bipolar Disorder.

I am glad I am here too! I have a beautiful baby boy that came out this. He is an amazing human!

If your daughter ever needs to talk to someone who has been, and is still dealing with this, let me know. PM me. I would LOVE to share my experiences.

Sorry to sideline this discussion... I just wanted others to understand... mental illness isn't the same as physical. The brain is still a mystery to even the best scientists.

Shelby2
05-10-2012, 01:01 AM
I wonder if TM was being somehow abused by Adam AND his mother?

tiredblondy
05-10-2012, 01:04 AM
Speaking of staying up all night with fellow Websleuthers, I can relate to that. I've been here a long time and I usually end up doing it at least 2-3 times a year. Just sitting here pushing that refresh button knowing that any minute LE's going to find that child, arrest a murderer or as in Charlie and Braden Powell's case out of grief. I don't regret one minute.

It is always with other wonderful caring Websleuthers like you guys. Nite!

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:04 AM
Agree. Which is one of the reasons I keep going back to read through the latest affidavit. Honestly I still can't tell if this theory could be possible from the wording.

I've been wondering if TM drove the girls back in one vehicle, and AM drove the bodies back in another.

I swear I've read that affidavit 5 times, and I still can't decipher whether the statement about TM driving included both the live victims - and the bodies.

If it was possible, I would think they wouldn't have wanted the girls to yet know about the murders. They still might not.

And they would have had to drive both vehicles away, so wouldn't that be a plausible scenario?

And someone had to drive JoAnn's vehicle to where it was found, too. I'm with you about the affidavit.....clear as mud.

RoseRed
05-10-2012, 01:04 AM
Lol! I am in Tennessee as well and I remember being shocked by the color of the dirt when I moved here from Kentucky 18 years ago. When I till my garden every year, it is red clay dirt I see. ( Then I add fertilizer) It still shocks me every year. You would think I would be used to it by now

Sorry for the confusion I may have caused as I am now in Carroll County TN and the dirt is red. I was born in Obion county and thought I remembered red dirt there also.Maybe i made a mistake. Also have relatives in Hardeman Co. but do not know a lot about hardeman co as that is my Grandma.s county.

BeginnersLuck
05-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Mayes has connections in Tucson

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150887555.html

Just adding this for the Tucson. It might be a good idea if we keep track of the specific cities he has connections in .

Roxye
05-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Thank you so much for this post.

I just wanted to add that to every person who has ever said or implied that someone with a mental illness somehow chooses that illness or could simply decide not to have it, I ask: do you really and truly think anyone would choose to feel and/or think that way if they actually had a choice???

I used to have a social services type career and I can say I never met anyone with a mental illness who would not have gladly chosen to be normal. Who wouldn't have given significant years off their lifespan to be normal.

Mental illness is something no one wants. Really.

Hate to side track this current situation! These two young girl's lives are soooo much more important. But thank you!

Roxye
05-10-2012, 01:11 AM
Sorry for the confusion I may have caused as I am now in Carroll County TN and the dirt is red. I was born in Obion county and thought I remembered red dirt there also.Maybe i made a mistake. Also have relatives in Hardeman Co. but do not know a lot about hardeman co as that is my Grandma.s county.

I am in Middle Tennessee. The red clay still shocks me. I fertilize our yard with Blue Kentucky Grass Seed every year....... My friends think I am crazy! Lol... Maybe I am, but I love the smell of fresh Blue Grass

Allusonz
05-10-2012, 01:14 AM
Funny thing, my first thoughts WOULD have been abduction and mayhem, not necessarily with the "crazy man that I've known as a family member", though. I would never think a member of my family simply ran away. Spousey would tell me in no uncertain terms "I'm outta here!"

Abduction or accident is what would come to mind for me as well.

If no sign of accident and once LE got a picture of the possible dynamics which we have truly not been privey to, GB may of been advised to make that statement by LE in the hopes that JB/daughters saw it on the news and would do whatever was required to keep themselves safe.

RoseRed
05-10-2012, 01:17 AM
I am in Middle Tennessee. The red clay still shocks me. I fertilize our yard with Blue Kentucky Grass Seed every year....... My friends think I am crazy! Lol... Maybe I am, but I love the smell of fresh Blue Grass

Hubby is from Adair Co. KY and they have red dirt there also.

HaikuMommy
05-10-2012, 01:17 AM
I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.

-Small head
-Low nasal bridge
-Small eye openings
-Epicanthal folds
-Short nose
-Smooth philitrum
-Underdeveloped jaw
...
-Heart defects



He very well could have FAS. I am the one who originally said he looked like he might have Marfan's. This was just an "interesting aside" and had nothing to do with his character, just his appearance. He reminds me a lot of Vincent Schiavelli, the actor, who used to be honorary co-chairman of the National Marfan Foundation. Here is a pic of him. Notice the eyes, in particular. Anyway, I don't know that it matters if he has Marfans, FAS, or nothing. He is choosing to do evil things and is not legally insane.

LucyOso
05-10-2012, 01:20 AM
Hi all, still trying to catch up! This thread moves fast and furious lol.

I really think the media is almost hurting this case more than anything by releasing half truths and missinformation. So annoying!

What ever happened with the 1% biker gang theory? I felt like they may have helped him in the beginning but stopped after the id's on the bodies were confirmed.


I'd have to see some more proof of having biker associations instead of him just being a want a be biker. From what we have got so far on him, I don't think the bikers would want him either.


I agree BeginnersLuck. First of all, just because someone has a motorcycle or wears a Harley-Davidson t-shirt does not mean they are a 1% Biker. Secondly, most 1% Biker clubs, obviously this is not what the media portrays, would not associate with or be brothers with someone who kills young teens and abducts little girls. Third, the amount of time AM spent interacting with this family would not make him eligible to be in a club as they require serious time commitment. Fourth, contrary to popular beliefs about "biker gangs" and "brotherhood" they actually would report something like this to police and would make sure justice is served. Fifth, most 1% are decent people, but, we always hear via sensational media about the one loose cannon and then we apply a stereotype to all. Just because one doctor, lawyer, rodeo cowboy, police officer etc kills someone does not mean we view all doctors, lawyers, rodeo cowboys, police officers etc as murders or bad guys...

I could go on and on, but the fact the guy has a motorcycle or had one, that happened to have ape hangers is more of a red herring then anything. :twocents:

Storm
05-10-2012, 01:22 AM
I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?


My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:23 AM
Instead of "short upturned nose" he has a long narrow nose. His philitrum isn't smooth. His jaw doesn't look small or underdeveloped to me.

I wouldn't be able to diagnose him.....but I do think he has an under developed jaw. Probably one reason he grew that poofy beard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10012202-8.html?tag=page;next

I definitely think there is something wrong with him!

CuriousGuy
05-10-2012, 01:27 AM
What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

Allusonz
05-10-2012, 01:30 AM
If the girls don't know their mother and sister have been killed, they might have no clue that they were actually kidnapped. They could be thinking they are on vacation or something like that. He could be easily controlling these children.

I have wondered from the start if this was not the reason that they did not release their names sooner.

From following this from the start it appears that LE seems to be moving pretty much up and down an area from N to S running behind his home for the most part.

Kat
05-10-2012, 01:34 AM
I got kind of caught up.

Has anyone been able to determine from what they've read if his fixation is on one of the two girls, if so which one? TIA.

CuriousGuy
05-10-2012, 01:34 AM
My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

I'm sitting here feeling I need to say something but am at a loss for words.

No child should ever have to endure what you did. So glad you survived and apparently thrived despite it all

CuriousGuy
05-10-2012, 01:36 AM
I got kind of caught up.

Has anyone been able to determine from what they've read if his fixation is on one of the two girls, if so which one? TIA.

I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

bessie
05-10-2012, 01:39 AM
Guys, if it's not a fact that AM has been diagnosed with Marfan's Syndrome or another physical/mental condition, let's please table that speculation for now. I appreciate all of your input and knowledge, but some members find it distracting. The case is at a critical point right now with information pouring in rapidly. Let's do our best to keep on point with the facts. :tyou:

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:40 AM
Thank you so much for this post.

I just wanted to add that to every person who has ever said or implied that someone with a mental illness somehow chooses that illness or could simply decide not to have it, I ask: do you really and truly think anyone would choose to feel and/or think that way if they actually had a choice???

I used to have a social services type career and I can say I never met anyone with a mental illness who would not have gladly chosen to be normal. Who wouldn't have given significant years off their lifespan to be normal.

Mental illness is something no one wants. Really.

It is true. No one would want a mental illness. And because of the stigma still attached people sometimes don't want to talk about it or even admit to it. I have members of my family w/ mental illnesses and then other members who can be very judgmental about it. It is always a kind thing to try to imagine what someone is going through.....even if it's impossible. It is sad.

On the other hand crappy things may have happened in AM's life (given the state of the family, etc) and I have only anger and disgust for him.

sreshowtime
05-10-2012, 01:41 AM
What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

I thought Booth said earlier she has been out of contact with her sister for quite some time?
:fence: with her comments

LucyOso
05-10-2012, 01:41 AM
There aren't many, but if you read her posts it seems as if she is very depressed. She talks about meds and 'fussin n fightin" with Adam, among other things.

https://www.facebook.com/smile.mayes?sk=wall

<modsnip>


It is fussin r fRighting....that means she most likely is not only on meds for mental health issues, but anxiety, paranoia or hallucinations as well...frighting is being scared, paranoid or highly anxious...the post does not refer to anything about AM. States she is taking her meds as ordered and maybe her symptoms are decreased...when she says she is "still" taking her meds, if anything it indicates a history of being on and off them. That is common with certain diagnoses and those who have low range IQs. The meds stop when the symptoms go away because they feel better and do not see the correlation between the meds efficacy and the increase functionality. Or for some, they do not like the way the meds feel as they are happy with certain symptoms...

Storm
05-10-2012, 01:45 AM
I'm sorry you went through such a difficult time. And am grateful that you are still around to share your story.

I deleted my post out of respect.

I've been reading here for years..and posting seldom..but I think this is the most caring, compassionate and sincere group of people I've known...in a large group with varied opinions..yet honored for being indivduals..you are all angels ^i^

Roxye
05-10-2012, 01:46 AM
My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

I don't think most of the world understands how usual this type of thing happens. The only thing that saves these predators from repeating their crimes is for a strong woman/girl being able to voice what happened to them!

Thank you for sharing your story!

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:48 AM
I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

I've read that, too.....maybe it was TM's mother or sister that said that?

LucyOso
05-10-2012, 01:53 AM
Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.


Not quite equivalent to actively participating in the preplanned abduction of children and the murder of one child and one family friend, assisting in transportation of the bodies (one probably drove JB's vehicle to hide it, one theirs, so she could've taken off to get help), and keeping said children captive.

I worked for years with special ed, learning disabled, mentally troubled and at-risk youth. Differently abled does not equate to lacking a conscience. Moo but the posts defending TM and suspecting GB are offensive and distracting. Two little terrified girls are being held captive.

These are all great points. We do need to be aware that if she does have a lower range IQ and is mentally ill, as evidenced by her FB post, she may be a victim in some ways as well. It is very possible for her to have been told AM IS the father of the children and believe it when he says he is protecting them and needs to take them. It seems as if TM was not around the family very much. She may not know the reality, especially if AM has fed her a bunch of crap over the years. She may have been convinced she was protecting them or doing them good. I also have worked with DD and MH populations and have seen just how easy it is to manipulate certain people into doing very bad things while convincing them they are doing the right thing. Seriously, how many people send money to the Nigerian prince scam email so they can be millionaires...LOL. And those are normal everyday people. TM may be a a victim, too...And if AM has a wife who is mentally challenged, then he obviously would feel threatened by those who are more intelligent then him...like a 14 year old...:(

I also agree we should focus on the kids as well. But, often it helps to try to get into the life and head of these perps to help us comprehend or figure out what the hello they are thinking...with the goal of saving the victims.

MsFacetious
05-10-2012, 01:54 AM
I had to leave for an appointment during that press conference this afternoon.

I passed one of the FBI most wanted billboards for Adam Mayes.
In Salt Lake City, UT.

Visible from Northbound I-15.
It's just off of/east of I-15, about 2700 S.
Just before the 2100 S/1300 S/900 S exit and the I-80 exits right there.

I HOPE there is also one further south closer to Arizona... but I'm thinking they are all over the place.

However, they definitely had those billboards going before that press conference was even over. :twocents:

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:55 AM
I agree BeginnersLuck. First of all, just because someone has a motorcycle or wears a Harley-Davidson t-shirt does not mean they are a 1% Biker. Secondly, most 1% Biker clubs, obviously this is not what the media portrays, would not associate with or be brothers with someone who kills young teens and abducts little girls. Third, the amount of time AM spent interacting with this family would not make him eligible to be in a club as they require serious time commitment. Fourth, contrary to popular beliefs about "biker gangs" and "brotherhood" they actually would report something like this to police and would make sure justice is served. Fifth, most 1% are decent people, but, we always hear via sensational media about the one loose cannon and then we apply a stereotype to all. Just because one doctor, lawyer, rodeo cowboy, police officer etc kills someone does not mean we view all doctors, lawyers, rodeo cowboys, police officers etc as murders or bad guys...

I could go on and on, but the fact the guy has a motorcycle or had one, that happened to have ape hangers is more of a red herring then anything. :twocents:

I just wanted to mention that upstream someone mentioned that they thought they saw him a couple times in a 1% club......I think that is how that got started.

Storm
05-10-2012, 01:56 AM
I'm sitting here feeling I need to say something but am at a loss for words.

No child should ever have to endure what you did. So glad you survived and apparently thrived despite it all

I did survive...with several loving real aunts and uncles who knew something was wrong.but in the 50's..sexual abuse, incest etc weren't talked about. I have been married 34 years, educated and have 3 sons, one an MD, one working on his PHD and the other working for Cisco. I am about the most blessed person I know. You never forget where you came from..but as an adult, you can control where you are going.
God, please save those angels and give them the strength and ability to live a full life ^i^

susan1122
05-10-2012, 01:59 AM
I've been reading here for years..and posting seldom..but I think this is the most caring, compassionate and sincere group of people I've known...in a large group with varied opinions..yet honored for being indivduals..you are all angels ^i^

Storm, thanks for sharing your story. You are brave. No one should have to go through that....Especially as a child. I hope those 2 girls are strong. Whatever they are going through, it's not good.

Kat
05-10-2012, 02:01 AM
I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.


I've read that, too.....maybe it was TM's mother or sister that said that?

Thanks CG and susan!

If it had to be one, I was hoping it was the older of the two only because she's 12 and the younger one is only 8.

Hopefully he needs the 12 yr old (if only to placate in some way the 8 yr old, the one he is possibly fixated on). He must, or he wouldn't have kept her. JMHO.

It's also JMHO but he won't kill the one he is fixated on until either he has to (more probable) or he has satisfied his fixation enough to be done. KWIM?

I think it's likely that one or both could still be alive at this point in time. But, IMHO time is running out and I hope LE finds them quickly. all JMHO

SoBeCzar
05-10-2012, 02:03 AM
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Mother-of-Accused-Killer-Speaks-Out-About-Adam/NklA1__lU0i77PYRR98rww.cspx

Tate says she and her husband sent Teresa a bus ticket to come. When they picked up Teresa, she was covered in bruises. Tate now wonders if there were warning signs.

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes

Don't know if this has been posted.

CuriousGuy
05-10-2012, 02:13 AM
"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes


Just when I thought AM could not get any more vile and disgusting, along comes this revelation.

LucyOso
05-10-2012, 02:13 AM
I just wanted to mention that upstream someone mentioned that they thought they saw him a couple times in a 1% club......I think that is how that got started.

Thanks, Susan. I missed that post. 1% often open their clubs to outside riders, the public and the media to help dispel the myths about them. Open house events, so people will see other community members there. Free hotdogs and a chance to feel cool...lol. Also, it is not uncommon for someone to be a hang-around for awhile to see if the club or person wants to pursue the relationship further. My guess is he attended some open house deal...it still doesn't make him a 1%er... :)

susan1122
05-10-2012, 02:19 AM
"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes


Just when I thought AM could not get any more vile and disgusting, along comes this revelation.

Exactly. Ugh.

suzier
05-10-2012, 02:34 AM
I noticed some were wondering, like myself, where AM was when they first questioned him. Plus, there was speculation why GB didn't go to AM for help.

Now we know TM drove everyone to MS. I think AM stayed behind to be ready on the spot with his "false report". I believe he was hanging out and attempting to divert attention.

When LE wanted to re-interview AM they still seemed to think JB left on her own. From the article it does sound like the TN LE had talked to him. I think he told them she went to Mexico. Early accounts quoted JB saying "please call we can work it out".

LE said: "As far as we know, there is no sign of foul play. We are not ruling anything out though. There is nothing saying you can't move to Mexico and change your name. There's nothing," he said.

Police continue to search Arizona, Tennessee and Mayes' town of Guntown, Miss. Doolan said Bain's husband and law enforcement hoped for a phone call soon.

"Right now, I got a concerned father. I don't care if it is a phone call, if she would just call and tell us I'm OK, I'll get a law enforcement officer to lay eyes on her and it will be over with." .

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-search-widens-missing-memphis-mom-daughters/story?id=16270151#.T6tYbNWiZqh

After reading many of the articles I am under the impression the family had moved to Arizona. Then after a relative passed away (I think JB father) they moved back to TN. They were planning on moving to AZ, again. I believe GB had planned on driving back to AZ with AM. The rest of the family would return after the girls finished school. IOW, I do think they girls should have been in school the day they went missing.

butterfly1978
05-10-2012, 02:37 AM
What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

consider the source here before you decide, this is the woman who hasn't talked to her sister in 11 years and suddenly knows everything about her. I take this as a grain of salt.

Curious Me
05-10-2012, 02:56 AM
I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.

-Small head
-Low nasal bridge
-Small eye openings
-Epicanthal folds
-Short nose
-Smooth philitrum
-Underdeveloped jaw
...
-Heart defects

Behavioral traits:

Lack of appropriate social behavior
Manipulative behavior
Places self and others in harms way
Likes to stir up chaos
No cause and effect thinking
Defiant
Failure in school
Poor eye contact
Low IQ
Hygiene issues
Poor memory
(More, but I snipped some that seemed most relevant)

As adults:

Lack of social skills
Inability to read body language
Inability to understand and obey the laws
Can’t take care of personal finances
Thrives in potentially dangerous situations
Inability to tell time on an analog watch
Unable to hold down a job
Sexually inappropriate behavior
Can’t follow directions
No resistance to peer pressure
“In your face” personality
Can’t learn to use public transportation
Likes living on the edge
Drug and alcohol abuse
Memory problems
Mental illness
Inability to focus
Forgets medications
Easily confused
Can’t live independently
Homelessness
Manipulative behavior
Lying and stealing
Victimization
Argumentative nature

http://kidstoadopt.org/adoption-resources/medical-conditions/about-fetal-alcohol-syndrome/

RBBM I found your post interesting, but had to look up philtrum. I think I see a smooth philtrum.
http://depts.washington.edu/fasdpn/htmls/lip-philtrum-guides.htm

pieper4
05-10-2012, 03:32 AM
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Mother-of-Accused-Killer-Speaks-Out-About-Adam/NklA1__lU0i77PYRR98rww.cspx

Tate says she and her husband sent Teresa a bus ticket to come. When they picked up Teresa, she was covered in bruises. Tate now wonders if there were warning signs.

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes

Don't know if this has been posted.

He could just be a lazy, gross SOB. Or have a condition involving sensory issues wherein water on the skin caused incredible discomfort. Not like I personally care or think it's germane. Just thinkin' outloud.

Bystander66
05-10-2012, 03:33 AM
This man has to eat, has to have gas if he is driving. Someone has to have seen him. Mom might know where he is. I cannot believe no one has seen him.

Curious Me
05-10-2012, 03:53 AM
There's a big reward. Anyone that would've helped him should know his own mother and wife are behind bars for helping him. I hope he has no one he can count on, but then I worry if he starts to feel too desperate it will put the girls in even more serious danger. Oh, how I pray they find those girls alive soon.

nomoresorrow
05-10-2012, 05:53 AM
My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

From one survivor to another... (((Storm)))

sherryk
05-10-2012, 06:40 AM
I am interested in knowing per the NG show guest when it was that AM was going to the man across the street to try and get viagra?

I wonder if it was (at anytime or that one time) prior to leaving to visit the girls and family?

Viagra from what I read about it is not a drug as in getting high it is merly for one purpose... I could be wrong but that is what I gather.

The viagra just seems odd to me.. VERY ODD.... I still think that molestation of the younger girls was a part in this at sometime.. middle girl for some reason I suspect.

The point made on NG last night.. is what will happen when the girls become not so loving and happy with him.. omg he will feel betrayed and I am so scared he will kill them, or all ready has.

I am in Florida, I wonder what part of connections and WHERE in Florida he is known to have ties to ?

CinnamonGirl
05-10-2012, 06:51 AM
I am interested in knowing per the NG show guest when it was that AM was going to the man across the street to try and get viagra?

I wonder if it was (at anytime or that one time) prior to leaving to visit the girls and family?

Viagra from what I read about it is not a drug as in getting high it is merly for one purpose... I could be wrong but that is what I gather.

The viagra just seems odd to me.. VERY ODD.... I still think that molestation of the younger girls was a part in this at sometime.. middle girl for some reason I suspect.

The point made on NG last night.. is what will happen when the girls become not so loving and happy with him.. omg he will feel betrayed and I am so scared he will kill them, or all ready has.

I am in Florida, I wonder what part of connections and WHERE in Florida he is known to have ties to ?

Lawtey Florida, Bradford County his family used to live there and his wife's family members live there.

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 06:54 AM
I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

Josie Tate, Mayes' mother-in-law, told The Associated Press that Mayes thought he might be the girls' father and it caused trouble in the marriage to her daughter, who's jailed in the case.

"She was tired of him doting on those two little girls that he claimed were his," Tate said in an exclusive phone interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday. In an earlier interview, her daughter, Bobbi Booth, said Teresa Mayes suspected her husband was having an affair with Jo Ann Bain.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/18238426/search-continues-for-kidnap-slaying-suspect

HeinekenMan
05-10-2012, 06:59 AM
I just woke up for the day and wanted to mention a few things. First, I made a timeline and a list of the people associated with this case. I have been unable to edit it. I want to make several corrections, additions, etc. But I can't. I emailed someone about it, but I haven't heard anything. If there is a mod who can help, that would be great. My timeline is on the front of the thread, and I don't want to mislead or confuse people. If you happen to see the timeline, please don't be frustrated. I know that it needs some additional work. Thanks!

Secondly, it's clear to me that we have established two strong possibilities for motive. One is this notion that AM believes he is the father of one or more of the girls. The second is that he is a child sex offender who panicked because the girl or girls he preyed on were about to move to Arizona. Both seem like strong possibilities.

We also have some clearer information about how the abduction was carried out. We know that AM and TM were at the house in Whiteville. We know that TM saw AM kill JoAnn and maybe also Adrienne. We know that TM has said she transported their bodies across state lines. We know that AM and TM left in separate vehicles on their way back to Union County, Mississippi. We know that they dumped one vehicle along the way. We know that they rented a trailer of some kind. I think we can imagine some likely scenarios. JoAnn was killed in the garage, where they had a tarp ready for her. Then Adrienne was killed and placed in a second tarp. AM then placed the bodies in the trailer. Then the two retrieved the other two girls from the house with a story about how they were leaving for Arizona. Since they had a trailer, this probably seemed to make sense. The girls might have fallen asleep again on the way to Mississippi. If not, AM and TM could have concocted a story about why they had to leave the other vehicle on the side of the road.

The above is mostly speculation, and it's really not all that importance except that it establishes a scenario where both girls have no idea that they have been kidnapped. If they believe they are on their way to Arizona, they might not suspect anything for several days. While they don't have the trailer at this point, AM could have concocted another story about how the trailer and U-Haul were being driven by JoAnn and Gary or some other individual. But the girls are old enough to read the billboards. At some point, they must have discovered the truth or are about to discover the truth. It seems like that will be a volatile period.

Bobbi Booth, the sister of TM, has thrown herself into this saga. People who do that often have issues of their own. But I don't think we should discredit anything that she tells us just because she hasn't seen her sister in some time. Remember that there are other family members who could have told her about their own interactions and conversations with TM. At the same time, we probably shouldn't take anything she says as gospel.

There has been a lot of speculation about whether he is actually a biological parent to one or both the younger two girls. The truth is that we just don't know. And it really matters very little. It only plays to motive, and that motive could exist even if he is wrong in thinking that is a father to one or both of the girls.

That's all that I have for now. The most important thing is that they find those two girls. Please post information on your Facebook page and help to spread the word. It's beginning to look like justice will rely on the assistance of the public. You may need to inconvenience yourself a little to help get the message out about these girls. Just do it. If anyone can figure out how we can print and distribute flyers, please let me and others know. If would be great if there was a link to a PDF that we could print and tack up at work and at other places.

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 07:01 AM
Rumor from friend of friend of relative of the Bain's, so take it with a grain of salt or two...

AM drugged them (not sure if all or just parents) in their own home. Apparently, the mother woke up and began to fight, so he strangled her. Then, the oldest daughter woke up, doing the same, and he strangled her, too. Mayes also believes the youngest is his.


The above rumor/theory looks as good as any I have seen posted, and it fits the official reports (although emphasis is different).

I can believe that the goal was the abduction of the two youngest, and the two deaths were NOT planned.

Sources close to Fox 13 say that at least one of the bodies found in Adam Mayes' Guntown, Mississippi residence was strangled. The killings happened at the Bain's garage in Whiteville, Tennessee on or about April 27. They were discovered in Guntown on April 30.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/lawyers-for-mayes-family-speak-out-rpt-20120509

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 07:11 AM
. If anyone can figure out how we can print and distribute flyers, please let me and others know. If would be great if there was a link to a PDF that we could print and tack up at work and at other places.

The FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
has posters for all three

AM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/adam-mayes/view
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/adam-mayes/@@poster.pdf

AB
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/alexandria-bain/view/
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/alexandria-bain/@@poster.pdf

KB
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyliyah-bain/view
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyliyah-bain/@@poster.pdf

gcastle
05-10-2012, 07:12 AM
I've been reading this thread and following it, you are all amazing.

I don't think this was posted yet: Just saw that this will be covered on the show this morning. Not sure what time though.

SurfieTX
05-10-2012, 07:18 AM
A dangerous man whom authorities say killed a Tennessee woman and her teenage daughter and fled with her two younger girls in a kidnapping plot has ties to Cherokee County, his brother said Wednesday.

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Johnny Lee Mayes II, who now lives in Cowpens, said Wednesday that he and Adam Mayes are two of six siblings raised by their parents, Johnny and Mary Frances Mayes. Mary Frances Mayes is originally from Gaffney and still has relatives here, said Johnny Mayes II, 44.

“When we were growing up, we moved around everywhere,” Johnny Mayes II said. “That's why my brother has ties to places all over the country, because we lived sort of this nomadic lifestyle. ... I don't know why. We lived in the Carolinas for most of our lives. And I settled in Cowpens, and they moved to Tennessee.”

Johnny Mayes II said the family once lived in Texas for nine years, the longest period they stayed anywhere.

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/may/10/man-accused-kidnappings-slayings-has-ties-upstate/?partner=RSS

ETA: There is much more in this article about Mary Mayes.

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 07:32 AM
On now.

Bystander66
05-10-2012, 07:35 AM
Interview with Mayes' brother---Johnny Lee Mayes.



http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/may/10/man-accused-kidnappings-slayings-has-ties-upstate/?partner=RSS

Oops, did not notice duplicate post above.

One thing---

[quote]Johnny Mayes II didn't want to confirm the whereabouts of his father because authorities are still searching for Adam Mayes.

Johnny Mayes II said his father also has some mental problems and is in failing health.[quote]

thought the father was living in MS with the mother.

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 07:37 AM
On now.

Not much new in report. Had a couple of local interviews with no real info. Used afidavits for facts which were supplement with news footage of burial site.

Had pictures including video of AM at convenient store near Guntown and had AM picture from twitter account.

Lava
05-10-2012, 07:41 AM
Just woke up and caught up. I really don't like TMs sister. In the beginning she acted like she barely knew anything, but the more she talks the more significant things come our of her mouth. In the beginning all she knew was that he was controlling, and now she has a significant information to believe this man is a pedophile. In fact this was her direct quote from AC360:


"I've known Adam for at least 25 years, and he's always been weird and unusual ... but I never dreamed he would do something like this,

And yet now...she knew AM locked himself in a room with the girls repeatedly? I thought briefly about if she is talking to TM now, but I really don't know if LE would be okay with that while they are searching for AM. I guarantee this woman is loving her 15 minutes and will come out with more and more things to say.

HeinekenMan
05-10-2012, 07:44 AM
I just posted the PDF to my Facebook page and encouraged people to print and tack it up at work. I also encouraged them to distribute it on Facebook. I hope it goes viral.

No Stone Unturned
05-10-2012, 07:51 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

According to Booth, who is TM's sister,


The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth.

Booth said the Mayes family moved to Mississippi soon after that because someone contacted authorities.

Can that last sentence be verified?

shefner
05-10-2012, 07:55 AM
I just woke up for the day and wanted to mention a few things. First, I made a timeline and a list of the people associated with this case. I have been unable to edit it. I want to make several corrections, additions, etc. But I can't. I emailed someone about it, but I haven't heard anything. If there is a mod who can help, that would be great. My timeline is on the front of the thread, and I don't want to mislead or confuse people. If you happen to see the timeline, please don't be frustrated. I know that it needs some additional work. Thanks!

Secondly, it's clear to me that we have established two strong possibilities for motive. One is this notion that AM believes he is the father of one or more of the girls. The second is that he is a child sex offender who panicked because the girl or girls he preyed on were about to move to Arizona. Both seem like strong possibilities.

We also have some clearer information about how the abduction was carried out. We know that AM and TM were at the house in Whiteville. We know that TM saw AM kill JoAnn and maybe also Adrienne. We know that TM has said she transported their bodies across state lines. We know that AM and TM left in separate vehicles on their way back to Union County, Mississippi. We know that they dumped one vehicle along the way. We know that they rented a trailer of some kind. I think we can imagine some likely scenarios. JoAnn was killed in the garage, where they had a tarp ready for her. Then Adrienne was killed and placed in a second tarp. AM then placed the bodies in the trailer. Then the two retrieved the other two girls from the house with a story about how they were leaving for Arizona. Since they had a trailer, this probably seemed to make sense. The girls might have fallen asleep again on the way to Mississippi. If not, AM and TM could have concocted a story about why they had to leave the other vehicle on the side of the road.

The above is mostly speculation, and it's really not all that importance except that it establishes a scenario where both girls have no idea that they have been kidnapped. If they believe they are on their way to Arizona, they might not suspect anything for several days. While they don't have the trailer at this point, AM could have concocted another story about how the trailer and U-Haul were being driven by JoAnn and Gary or some other individual. But the girls are old enough to read the billboards. At some point, they must have discovered the truth or are about to discover the truth. It seems like that will be a volatile period.

Bobbi Booth, the sister of TM, has thrown herself into this saga. People who do that often have issues of their own. But I don't think we should discredit anything that she tells us just because she hasn't seen her sister in some time. Remember that there are other family members who could have told her about their own interactions and conversations with TM. At the same time, we probably shouldn't take anything she says as gospel.

There has been a lot of speculation about whether he is actually a biological parent to one or both the younger two girls. The truth is that we just don't know. And it really matters very little. It only plays to motive, and that motive could exist even if he is wrong in thinking that is a father to one or both of the girls.

That's all that I have for now. The most important thing is that they find those two girls. Please post information on your Facebook page and help to spread the word. It's beginning to look like justice will rely on the assistance of the public. You may need to inconvenience yourself a little to help get the message out about these girls. Just do it. If anyone can figure out how we can print and distribute flyers, please let me and others know. If would be great if there was a link to a PDF that we could print and tack up at work and at other places.

Heinekeman, I love you. Your posts are very helpful....
I think you are on my new "Favorite Posters" list.

Irish_Eyes
05-10-2012, 08:00 AM
Thought this article was interesting...

http://news.discovery.com/human/adam-mayes-manhunt-120509.html

Lava
05-10-2012, 08:02 AM
EDITED: Wrong post :(

sleuthupdate
05-10-2012, 08:02 AM
I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

Teresa Mayes told investigators Adam planned to kidnap the two younger Bain sisters and the murders are connected to that. She said Adam Mayes, a family friend of the Bain's was fascinated with the girls, especially one of them.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

Xina_Marie
05-10-2012, 08:04 AM
OK, Viagra has another use that is not for getting a stiffy. It is a vasodilator and is used in heart patients. It opens the veins to allow blood to flow through more freely. It is used in patients with pulmonary hypertension.

The right side of the heart pumps blood through the lungs, where it picks up oxygen. Then, the blood returns to the left side of the heart, where it is pumped to the whole body. When the small arteries of the lung become narrowed, they cannot carry as much blood. When this happens, pressure builds up. This is called pulmonary hypertension.

Over time, this causes the right side of the heart to become larger. At this point, heart failure involves the right side of the heart.

My daughter had pulmonary hypertension as a result of her premature birth. Try explaining to an insurance company why a 6 month old baby girl needs Viagra...(also known as sildenifil)! And it costs hundreds of dollars a month out of pocket.

Anyway, the point is, it is known he has some heart problems and I wonder if this isn't the source. Pulmonary hypertension is very serious.

winterrose
05-10-2012, 08:05 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/18248363/teresa-mayess-sister-speaks

According to Booth, who is TM's sister,



Can that last sentence be verified?

I don't know, at first BB said in a number of interviews AM hadn't allowed TM to speak to BB for 11 years, now she's saying she talked to her anyway. AM's brother JM said when they were growing up, they moved around everywhere. They lived sort of a nomadic lifestyle. They lived in the Carolinas for most of their lives. They lived in Texas for nine years, the longest period they stayed anywhere.So how did BB know AM for 25 years as she said in an interview? AM's only 35.