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angie2980
12-09-2004, 11:35 AM
This is a very bizzare case, I beleive she was a victim of foul play. When authorities went to check the security camera's for that area of the ship, the tape had been tampered with:

Annette Mizener, 37, had just finished a vacation with her parents and teenage daughter and was returning home Saturday night when she vanished from a Carnival Cruise Lines ship.
The FBI is investigating to determine whether Mizener might have fallen accidentally from the ship, jumped overboard on purpose, or become a victim of foul play.

"We are not ruling out any possibility at this juncture," said Cathy Viray, spokeswoman for the FBI in Los Angeles.

Mizener's purse was found alongside a railing on the cruise ship, which is about the size of a football field. Authorities said a search of the vessel and ocean waters off of Mexico turned up no sign of her.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wauk/dec04/282103.asp

Please, please pray for this family as they are my next door neighbors!!!

tennessee
12-09-2004, 01:13 PM
I wonder if any of the employees on this ship were on the other Carnival ship that "lost" a passenger a few weeks ago? I hope that they can find her.

lisag
12-09-2004, 01:49 PM
I heard about this on the news.. Very strange. Her family is very firm in stating that they do not beleive she would have jumped. I too think foul play is involved... I just don't think they will really ever know.. If she is in those waters, they will never find her.
How sad.

angie2980
12-09-2004, 01:54 PM
Good Morning America was at their house this morning interviewing John, her husband, and he believes there is NO WAY she would have commited suicide. I too beleive there is no way they will find her, if she is in those waters, she's gone. This is so sad, especially since she's my neighbor. It's so strange.

real eyes
12-09-2004, 02:03 PM
I was just on a cruise and I was thinking that it is amazing that more people haven't fallen accidentally. I wonder if she was drinking that night, I know that I did one night and I was wandering around and I fell on the stairs :blushing: . I wonder if any of the crew was the same as other one a little bit ago or the same with Amy Bradley. How horrible.

WasBlind
12-09-2004, 05:14 PM
Dec. 7th article (http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/3979919/detail.html)

Dec. 8th article (http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/3983282/detail.html)

With prayers of HOPE for Annette, Lanie

CeeJay
12-09-2004, 05:38 PM
Tenessee? Can you tell us more about the person that was "lost" from a cruise ship a few weeks ago? I don't remember hearing about that. I wonder if there is any way to compare the ship's crew or passengers manifest from this ship, to that ship, to the one of Amy Bradley.

Casshew
12-09-2004, 05:47 PM
This is very sad. Remember a few years ago a girl vanished travelling with her brother and parents?

If the security tapes have been tampered with it is definately not a suicide... I am so sorry angie that these are your neighbours, how awful :(

WasBlind
12-09-2004, 06:03 PM
Amy's thread (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4936)

Prayers for Annette, for answers and soon.

With love and HOPE, Lanie

angie2980
12-10-2004, 12:01 PM
John, Annette's husband, was on the news again last night. Apparently, Annette couldn't swim, and she really didn't want to go on this cruise. So I feel there is no way Annette is alive, or if her body will ever be found. Plus, you can tell that John is getting extremely frustrated with everyone asking if she "commited suicide". Why would the security camera for that part of the deck be tampered with? Everytime I leave for work and come home, there is just news vehicles parked right outside their home. I really feel bad for them. But I keep praying that they will get answers soon.

real eyes
12-10-2004, 12:36 PM
I wonder how the video camera was tampered with. I know that from the cruise that I was just on (Princess), the cameras were not very obvious. A few were, but for the most part, unless you knew where to look you would not notice them. Was it the tape that was tampered with or the actual camera? So many questions...

tennessee
12-10-2004, 10:47 PM
Tenessee? Can you tell us more about the person that was "lost" from a cruise ship a few weeks ago? I don't remember hearing about that. I wonder if there is any way to compare the ship's crew or passengers manifest from this ship, to that ship, to the one of Amy Bradley.
Here is a link to a couple of articles about him. I was just wondering the crew changes and they might go to different ships? He was on a Bahamas cruise and hers was Mexican, I believe.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=28363

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-11-26-cruise-missing_x.htm?POE=TRVISVA

gatetrekker44
12-13-2004, 12:04 AM
that she disappeared after one of her parents saw her on their room balcony...and that the parents believed that she had been forcibly removed from the ship. But I can't remember what cruise line was involved-do you?

Sam
12-13-2004, 12:44 AM
I remember a couple of years ago a girl named Amy Bradley or Bradly dissappeared from the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line. The family believed she was kidnapped for slavery or something. We still pray for her and her family.

real eyes
12-13-2004, 11:50 AM
From talking to the people that worked on the cruise lines, they remain on the ship they are assigned to and do not change ships. They work 6 months straight and then have 2 months off (or something similar to that). They are allowed to leave the ship sometimes when at a port, depending on their shift.

CeeJay
12-13-2004, 02:01 PM
I suppose if these disappearances are foul play - it could just as easily be a copy-cat situation. A sadly "perfect crime" for a sick individual. I've never been on a cruise. Could someone legitimately fall off? I wouldn't think that the railing would have space big enough for a person to accidentally fall. And what about when the boat goes to port? Do they document who or what leaves the ship and returns to help keep track of passengers? What happens if you don't come back in time after being at port? Do they wait for you?

real eyes
12-13-2004, 02:36 PM
It can be fairly easy to "jump". It is not likely anyone can "fall". There is railing and usually it has plastic/plexiglass that someone would have to climb up on and go over. (This is from my experience from Royal Caribbean and Princess... I would assume Carnival is the same).

When you board the ship, you are given a card that you have to carry everywhere (like a driver's license and credit card in one) This card is used for purchases and when leaving the ship, you have to scan/swipe the card to get off or get back on. If you do not have your card, you will not be allowed to leave. You will not be allowed off the ship without scanning/swiping your card.

MichaelG
12-23-2004, 12:06 PM
Here is a copy of the fax I sent to the Los Angeles FBI office:


Fax

To:



From:

Michael G

Fax:



Pages:



Phone:

408-

Date:

12//2004

Re:

Missing Passenger from Carnival Pride

CC:




Urgent For Review Please Comment Please Reply Please Recycle


l Comments:

Hello, I am the passenger aboard the Carnival Pride that found the articles from the woman that went missing aboard the Carnival Pride on Saturday night (December 04, 2004). I am providing a breakdown of the timeline of what happened and what actions were taken by the Carnival Security personnel on the ship. All times are approximate.

04 DEC 2004

2200 – Purse (small black, beaded evening bag), overturned drink glass, and scattered papers found by myself and security. Security camera was covered (but the camera does not directly cover area where passenger went missing). I was questioned and my name taken by security.

2230 – Returned to Deck 3 outside of Internet Café/Library where items found. Noticed note tucked into life ring and emergency strobe partially out of it’s bracket. Approximately 20’ further aft, also found pen. Alerted Security to all items which they picked up by hand and removed from scene. At this time, Annette M. from Cabin 6169 was paged from ship’s system. She was asked to report to or call the Purser’s Office at x7777.

2300 – Again returned to scene, talked to the woman’s daughter. Daughter stated she was there with mother and grandparents. Father was in San Diego, CA. Found beads from purse on deck and spots of blood. Pages to passenger of Cabin 6169 continue. The announcement is made approximately every 10 minutes.

2330 – Security starts to walk around ship with passenger’s picture and announcements continue.

05 DEC 04

0100 – Meet with daughter again and she informs me that there was a man harassing her mother aboard ship. Security had been notified of this many times. Security stated it was not their problem. Captain announces that they will begin a search of the ship, including passenger cabins.

0115 – Informed by crew member that at 0030, US Coast Guard helicopter drops two USCG officers aboard the Carnival Pride.

0145 – I inform Assistant Cruise Director and Head of Security that the area where passenger went missing from should be roped off and any evidence preserved. Both were standing approximately 10’ from where woman went missing from. I was told to mind my own business.

0200 – Ship was turned around and all informed we were participating in SAR action.

0400 – Security brings to scene ‘caution tape’ and excludes passengers from area where woman went missing.



GENERAL OBSERVATIONS

When I first went on the deck at 2200 on 04 DEC 2004, I noticed the security camera covered, an empty overturned drink glass on the deck, the purse, and scattered papers. When security went through her purse, they also removed a considerable amount of money from it. Security members complained about having to start a search and that this was going to ruin their vacation as the Carnival Pride was going into dry-dock in San Francisco after this voyage. In front of the daughter at 2300, ship’s security was telling her that she (the mother) had committed suicide. None of the security at the time seemed concerned about the missing woman although they were convinced she was already overboard.

During this time, I was followed and harassed by Carnival Cruise Lines Security employees who insinuated that I had something to do with the passenger’s disappearance. My cabin (5164) was search without my authorization PRIOR to the Captain announcing that there would be a ship wide search for the missing passenger.



Feel free to contact me at the phone number above if there are any questions. I feel it deplorable that Carnival Cruise Lines is trying to soft-pedal and whitewash this incident.



Sincerely,





Michael G,

Passenger in Cabin 5164

Juliana
12-23-2004, 12:29 PM
MichaelG,
Thanks for posting about your experience. I'm sure it was and is very troubling to you to have been so close to the situation.

I read that you found a note. Was it handwritten? I hadn't heard anything about the note or blood droplets. And this man who had been harrassing her. It is terrible that Carnival would not intervene in that situation. I'll definitely not be taking any cruises on Carnival.

Please let us know if anything develops.

imo

MichaelG
12-23-2004, 12:35 PM
I believe the note was handwritten. I was not able to read it as security took it inside and opened it. I believe there was writing on the paper. As for the blood, no one has mentioned it anywhere.

This was a horrible experience for me. The head of Carnival security in Florida called me and asked if there was anything they could do for me. I was like, DUH! Make sure the FBI gets all the information they need so that Annette's family knows what is going on.

I am very disappointed in the way Carnival has handled this whole fiasco (on their part). I will never trust a cruise line's security ever again. They are SO incompetent and DO NOT know how to handle a crime scene. I mean, sela off the area AFTER 6 hours? Please...


MichaelG

lisag
12-23-2004, 12:52 PM
Wow, Michael G, you have provided us with much more info that is available via the WWW or news !!
Hearing about the man harassing her, the blood, the overturned glass, scattered papers,covered camera, beads from her purse and the note- all really confirm some type of foul play.

I cant believe the employees complained about a search !! and told the daughter that her mother had commited suicide !! Puh-lease !! How uncaring! This poor girl was/is obviously worried, upset, scare, etc... and they make an unfounded statement such as that !

You provided us much insight - thank you. I am sorry that you had such a traumatic experience.

Bless you for coming forward and talking to the FBI - going above the cruise line as you felt they were not following up correctly.

real eyes
12-23-2004, 01:14 PM
MichaelG, thank you for the information. It is very interesting and hopefully will give some sort of clue or closure for Annette's family and friends.

I agree with the problems with security. I worked at a theme park for many years and the security was mostly a bunch of jerks that were more bothered with "having to do work" and were mostly unhelpful (there were a few there that did their job and did a great job) . It is so sad that there are people like that out there in positions like that.:snooty:

AuntieKaren
12-24-2004, 01:04 AM
MichaelG--
Bless you for getting involved! I am sorry for this traumatic experience you had and for the awful way you were treated. What a sad situation.
Karen

gadfly
12-29-2004, 02:26 AM
I was with a group of about 200 from the Las Vegas Hilton that included Annette Mizener, her daughter and parents. I was stunned to read the postings by a fellow passenger, MichaelG. What he writes has a ring of truth. The Carnival authorities seemed more interested in keeping their schedule than with solving a possible crime. Our group traveled in four buses from Las Vegas to Long Beach, dined together and gambled together in the casino. The FBI, which boarded the ship in Long Beach, never asked our group (which was gathered together for some time waiting for debarkation) any questions. Did anyone see her that night? At dinner, at the casino or when she did her karaoke performance? Did anyone see someone harassing her? The rumors were rampant the next morning but all had the same thread-her purse was found damaged and the surveillance camera had been covered. I feel very bad for her and her family. I have done a little research and found a gaping hole in area of protection under the law when on the high seas.

WasBlind
12-29-2004, 04:40 AM
I was with a group of about 200 from the Las Vegas Hilton that included Annette Mizener, her daughter and parents. I was stunned to read the postings by a fellow passenger, MichaelG. What he writes has a ring of truth. The Carnival authorities seemed more interested in keeping their schedule than with solving a possible crime. Our group traveled in four buses from Las Vegas to Long Beach, dined together and gambled together in the casino. The FBI, which boarded the ship in Long Beach, never asked our group (which was gathered together for some time waiting for debarkation) any questions. Did anyone see her that night? At dinner, at the casino or when she did her karaoke performance? Did anyone see someone harassing her? The rumors were rampant the next morning but all had the same thread-her purse was found damaged and the surveillance camera had been covered. I feel very bad for her and her family. I have done a little research and found a gaping hole in area of protection under the law when on the high seas.

gadfly, please contact me at MissingProfiles@yahoo.com should you wish to reach the persons investigating Annette's disappearance.
Here is how to retrieve and reply to Private Messages (http://websleuths.com/forums/private.php?)

Thank you for caring about Annette and her family.

With love and HOPE, Lanie

tuppence
12-29-2004, 09:27 AM
wow. I wish i could say i was surprised at how badly this was handled.

A good reminder - don't just trust people in authority to do everything needed. There is incompetence everywhere. Don't be afraid to stick up for yourself and your family and push to make sure things are being handled right. Ask questions, take notes, ask more questions. If people feel like something is being documented then they will be more likely to follow "procedure"

This goes for all kinds of situations - get a second opinion for any major decision/health issue/repair. ask lots of questions. Be as informed as you can.

Not that long ago I would have just trusted that everything was being done "right" now I feel like you hvae to assume it may not be. People are often afraid to question people in certain types of authority positions (security, police, doctors, lawyers,...)

Don't be afraid! It's your right to ask questions. If someone acts like its unreasonable to question them or gets belligerent then it probably means you REALLY need to be asking them! Just stay calm, composed, polite, but don't back down.

fourboys
01-10-2005, 04:09 PM
Passenger says he found missing woman’s purse,
saw tampered camera
FBI continues investigation into woman’s disappearance from ship

By KOLLIN KOSMICKI - GM Today Staff
January 6, 2005

WAUKESHA - A man aboard the cruise ship from which Annette Mizener disappeared a month ago says he’s the one who found an array of her belongings on a deck, and that he witnessed a security camera covered with paper near those items.

Michael Gaither, of Milipitas, Calif., said he was surprised the FBI never contacted or interviewed him because he was one of three people who knew firsthand where the items were found. He said he also sent the FBI and Carnival Cruise Lines a detailed account of his observations, along with times.

"I consider myself sort of, kind of, a suspect," Gaither said sarcastically in a phone interview.

Mizener, 37, of Waukesha, went missing from the Carnival Pride cruise ship traveling back to Long Beach, Calif., from its voyage to Mexico. A Carnival spokeswoman has said crew workers found Mizener’s purse on a deck that night. A search for Mizener on the ship and in surrounding waters failed to locate a body.

The FBI is still investigating Mizener’s disappearance and an agency spokeswoman declined to comment on Gaither’s observations.

Gaither, who provided documentation to The Freeman confirming he was a ship passenger, said he discovered Mizener’s purse when he went on the deck to smoke a cigarette.

He said he noticed it at about the same time as two nearby security personnel, who then came out and searched it to identify the owner.

He left the area of the ship and returned about 15 minutes later, he said. When he returned, he said, the area had not been taped off.

The first thing he noticed was a security camera covered with a piece of paper, what he described as a brochure that was possibly wet and "draped" over the camera.

"A lot of people have been saying it’s a rumor," Gaither said about the security camera reportedly being covered. "It’s not a rumor. I saw it myself."

He said he also noticed nearby an emergency strobe light out of place on a buoy ring, some sort of note or piece of paper tucked onto the ring, an overturned glass and a pen, he said.

He informed security and left the area, he said, only to return again about 15 minutes later. Mizener’s 17-year-old daughter, Danielle, was at the scene "looking around" when he came back, he said.

At that point another teenage boy helping them search the area climbed a ladder and observed beads from the purse that were "spread all over the ground where the bag was first found."

Gaither said he was frustrated it took security several hours to rope off that area and he estimated that a couple hundred people had walked through the vicinity after the discovery of the purse.

A Carnival spokeswoman handling media inquiries about the disappearance, Jennifer de La Cruz, didn’t return phone calls Wednesday and this morning.

Mizener’s family members, including her husband John, have not commented for weeks on the disappearance.

"I guess John doesn’t want to get involved every day with somebody saying this or that," said the family’s spokesman, the Rev. Rick Kielley. "We’re trying to give him some time to face the facts."

http://www.gmtoday.com/news/local_stories/2005/January_05/01062005_01.asp

Casshew
01-10-2005, 05:49 PM
So what the heck happened to this poor lady?? :confused:

chicoliving
02-12-2005, 03:02 PM
So......no news, no anything? Someone has to know something....

derf5585
02-14-2005, 06:14 PM
I am a member of www.cruisecritic.com (http://www.cruisecritic.com) and we also have a thread on the tragic death of Annette Mizner.

I received this email from the Pastor of the church Annette Mizener attended
__________________________________________________ ____________

Dear Fred,

Nothing really has changed. Channel 4 in Milwaukee had John and I on
Thursday the 27th of January. We aren't going to let this fade away without
answers. We are praying and seeking the truth, even if it's not to our
liking. We hope that by hiring an attorney the investigation will yield the
truth. The preliminary investigation should be completed by the end of
February and then we can proceed legally. Thanks for your prayers and
concerns - Never give up!

Your friend,
Pastor Rick Kielley

__________________________________________________ ______________

chicoliving
02-14-2005, 06:19 PM
I am a member of www.cruisecritic.com (http://www.cruisecritic.com/) and we also have a thread on the tragic death of Annette Mizner.

I received this email from the Pastor of the church Annette Mizener attended
__________________________________________________ ____________

Dear Fred,

Nothing really has changed. Channel 4 in Milwaukee had John and I on
Thursday the 27th of January. We aren't going to let this fade away without
answers. We are praying and seeking the truth, even if it's not to our
liking. We hope that by hiring an attorney the investigation will yield the
truth. The preliminary investigation should be completed by the end of
February and then we can proceed legally. Thanks for your prayers and
concerns - Never give up!

Your friend,
Pastor Rick Kielley

__________________________________________________ ______________
Thank you derf and welcome to WS....thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I hope and pray for the truth also...

derf5585
02-14-2005, 06:30 PM
thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I hope and pray for the truth also...
Here is the link. Be warned the discussion sometimes turnes lighthearted (Mainly by me). As I have read this thread it seems as if this board is more serious.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=108618&page=1&pp=40

You have been warned.

chicoliving
02-14-2005, 06:45 PM
lighthearted is much better than nasty so I'm sure it will be fine :)

Trino
02-14-2005, 07:31 PM
The link that Derf mentioned also provides a link to the 1998 Amy Bradley case, another bizarre disappearance.

I, too, wonder about background checks of cruise line workers. Rapists often go after who is available at the moment their urge strikes. Both of these women may have been alone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

derf5585
02-16-2005, 11:04 PM
Annette Marie Mizener
from
http://www.legacy.com/OnWisconsin/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2923829

angie2980
02-18-2005, 02:45 PM
There house has been pretty quiet too. I haven't seen anyone out. Although there have been a couple times where I have seen cars there from a different state, but that could be family members. The family is hanging pretty low key.

I still pray for them everynight. No answers would drive me crazy!!!!! :confused:

derf5585
03-04-2005, 01:27 AM
WAUKESHA - Nearly three months into an FBI investigation of his wife’s disappearance
from
http://www.gmtoday.com/news/local_s...03012005_01.asp

Husband Sues Cruise Line Over Wife's Disappearance
from
http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/...355/detail.html

Lakergirl123
03-04-2005, 09:21 AM
I went on a Carnival Cruise a year ago and their security couldn't even speak english.

There was a guy in the room next to us who was drunk one night and was yelling and fighting with his wife. We called security who went to their door and put their finger to their mouth and said, "Shhhh". Then left. Numerous other people called security and so they had to come back and all they did was hold a tape recorder to the door to record their noise.

Then the man started beating on his wife. That's when my husband stepped in. He called security, then kicked the neighbour's door open and put the guy on the ground and told him that if he heard him yelling again or touching his wife again that he'd have to answer to him.

The guy was quiet the rest of the trip. Security didn't do a THING! Security couldn't even speak English, they were tiny little guys who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

I will NEVER go on another Carnival Cruise again!

CaliKid
03-22-2005, 01:24 AM
Fights, robberies, men harassing women who appear to be on their own- it happens all the time on Carnival cruises, and the staff just looks the other way. I would never go on a Carnival cruise. They have the worst reputation in the business.

camracrazy
10-17-2005, 01:24 PM
Annette's family was on the Montel show today. It was the first time I had heard of the case. I am glad they are getting some publicity for her.

PrayersForMaura
10-17-2005, 01:42 PM
Annette's family was on the Montel show today. It was the first time I had heard of the case. I am glad they are getting some publicity for her.
I was wondering if anything was ever going to become of this case.
The camera covered clearly suggests foul play, at least to me and probably most anyone else with the least bit of a light bulb that turns on in their head every once in a while! :doh:

I pray for justice for Annette's family!

jodierenee
10-17-2005, 03:28 PM
i wonder what was on that note....

and why would they target that poor lady?!

so sad.

angie2980
10-20-2005, 08:36 PM
I feel so horrible for that family. Could you imagine your loved one dissapearing like that? I am their neighboor, and he's put their house up for sale. It's been on the market for a while now. I wonder if he's moving closer to where this all happened. I hope for the best with them.

WackyLadyCaet
10-21-2005, 11:50 AM
From the sounds of it, an overturned drink glass, blood droplets, broken purse.. sounds like perhaps she was drugged, her purse gone through, and then she was taken to cover it up.

angie2980
10-29-2005, 10:52 AM
New details.......apparently she and her husband were filing for bancruptcy

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wauk/oct05/366649.asp

ShowerSinger
01-27-2006, 03:16 AM
www.abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1542501

I'm not only boycotting Aruba, I'm boycotting cruise ships, til they get a serious grip on security.

Prayers for this family.

Bobbisangel
01-27-2006, 11:59 PM
Isn't it interesting that every time a person goes missing on one of these ships they have committed suicide :furious: It is only obvious that someone tried to grab this lady's purse. She must have hung on for dear life if it caused the beads to be torn off. And the camera being covered. Anyone with half a brain would get what that was all about.

The security working on the ship weren't worth the wages they were being paid. Anyone would know that you have to preserve the scene of a crime and that you don't pick up evidence with your bare hands.

Did the husband file a suit against the cruise lines? I hope he carried through with it. It is obvious that security didn't know what they were doing and that they had an "we don't give a rip" attitude.

How sad for this whole family to lose their loved one in such a horrible way. If that ship had stopped when they realized that she was missing they just may have found her. Probably not but the family deserved a search of the water to take place right away.....not hours later.

My daughter and I went on a cruise on Carnival years ago. One thing that I noticed.....most everyone that works on the cruise line is foreign and they don't speak good english. Maybe the big wigs are white and speak english but their crew are all foreign and speak different languages. Kind of hard to communicate when you can't understand what they are saying.