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Kimster
05-23-2012, 12:56 PM
Which of the following best describes your current position on what happened to 6-year-old Isabel Celis who went missing from her home in Tuscon, AZ on April 20?

Submitted by BetteDavisEyes

dog.gone.cute
05-23-2012, 01:16 PM
:seeya: :kimsterwink:

Wow ... what an interesting list of choices here ...

I had to vote "Other" because I cannot decide IF :

- Isabel was accidentally killed by one of her parents, and they are both involved in a cover-up.

- One of Isabel's parents murdered the little girl, and both parents are involved in a cover-up.


:please: I sure hope they find little Isabel soon :please:

JMO and :moo:

Gracelin
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Isabel was taken from home by extended family or friend and is in a location unknown to parents. Thanks this poll was a good idea!

MaryAnn
05-23-2012, 02:11 PM
I voted for #1 in hopes that Isabel is still alive. I refuse to blame her parents until I have some hard core evidence! I can't imagine losing a child and then to be blamed for it. Even with CPS involved I still don't think Isa's parents had anything to do with her dissapearance. JMO

Nana46
05-23-2012, 02:15 PM
Other for me....I just don't know what to think.

seattlechiquita
05-23-2012, 02:21 PM
I voted for #1 in hopes that Isabel is still alive. I refuse to blame her parents until I have some hard core evidence! I can't imagine losing a child and then to be blamed for it. Even with CPS involved I still don't think Isa's parents had anything to do with her dissapearance. JMO

I'm with you re:parents. However, I am not so hopeful that we will have her back alive :(

time
05-23-2012, 02:36 PM
I was looking for the word 'acquaintance' in the choices :) but I voted ...

"Isabel was taken from home by extended family or friend and is in a location unknown to parents."

... instead of other.

I really don't know what to think. I have some feeling there is involvement by someone who knew the Celis' being either extended family, friend, or an acquaintance - the Celis' may have more info that we do not know of and suspect this/someone also. I would also not rule out some older friend(s) of the 14/15 year old.

However, I would not be surprised if any of the responses turn out to be true. I just don't think we have enough information at this point.

AnaTeresa
05-23-2012, 02:44 PM
Other for me too - not enough evidence at all in this case to tell me what happened. Reminds me a lot of Kyron Horman.

oceanblueeyes
05-23-2012, 03:41 PM
I voted 'other' because I dont think the person is a registered SO. I believe it is going to be like in the case of Sierra Lamar where the perp was not a RSO but may have had some run ins with the law but with little convictions.

Or they may have no criminal past whatsoever like David Westerfield didnt and this was the first time they went out of their comfort zone to kidnap a young child. They may have molested children in their own family in the past who have never told.

I think it very well could be a stranger but also think it could be someone that lives in the general area of the Celis family or someone who worked close by. Maybe even someone who would blend in at the functions the Celis family attended.

Someone mentioned that if Isa was abducted by a stranger she was targeted and that is true. Just like all the other stranger pedophile abductors chose their victim(s).

I do believe Isa is deceased and has been shortly after she was abducted.

IMO

marazul
05-23-2012, 04:43 PM
I voted 'other' because I dont think the person is a registered SO. I believe it is going to be like in the case of Sierra Lamar where the perp was not a RSO but may have had some run ins with the law but with little convictions.

Or they may have no criminal past whatsoever like David Westerfield didnt and this was the first time they went out of their comfort zone to kidnap a young child. They may have molested children in their own family in the past who have never told.

I think it very well could be a stranger but also think it could be someone that lives in the general area of the Celis family or someone who worked close by. Maybe even someone who would blend in at the functions the Celis family attended.

Someone mentioned that if Isa was abducted by a stranger she was targeted and that is true. Just like all the other stranger pedophile abductors chose their victim(s).

I do believe Isa is deceased and has been shortly after she was abducted.

IMO

I voted RSO, but I agree with you. Wish there was an option for "abducted non family but not necessarily RSO".

nursebeeme
05-23-2012, 07:46 PM
thank you for the poll Bette and Kimster! :rocker:

StrayKat
05-23-2012, 07:48 PM
I voted RSO but, think it may be gang related... 14 to 16 yr olds, maybe. I think it may be an acquaintance... maybe, of a family member/sibling? JMO

writer7
05-24-2012, 12:13 AM
I voted 'other' because I think only one parent knew at the time what happened that night/morning.

I think there was probably some form of abuse, and Sergio must have killed her (is that accidentally?).

I think someone else helped cover it up, but not the rest of the immediate family. The mom may be covering now, though, imho.

norest4thewicked
05-24-2012, 09:01 AM
I voted 'other' because I think only one parent knew at the time what happened that night/morning.

I think there was probably some form of abuse, and Sergio must have killed her (is that accidentally?).

I think someone else helped cover it up, but not the rest of the immediate family. The mom may be covering now, though, imho.

This is what I think as well.

Ladylub
05-24-2012, 10:07 AM
Either a person who is not on the RSO list because s/he has not been caught or one parent accidentally killed her and the other helping to cover it up. I cant make up my mind. I do not feel sexual abuse happened here at least right now anyway.

huckleberryhound
05-24-2012, 01:03 PM
#5 and #6 say the same thing, don't they?

BetteDavisEyes
05-24-2012, 01:24 PM
#5 and #6 say the same thing, don't they?

Here are the statements as I submitted them to administration for the poll:

5) Isabel was taken from her home by an extended family member or friend and is in a location known to her parents.

6) Isabel was taken from her home by an extended family member or friend and is in a location unknown to her parents.

I will ask Kimster to edit so that the statements reflect my original intentions. Thanks for your input.

ETA: Kimster has edited the poll. My statements were too long and had to be edited for posting. If anyone needs to change their vote in either #5 or #6, please let her know. Thanks.

Anita Richman
05-24-2012, 08:29 PM
Being alive and held by a RSO or other stranger doesn't necessarily equate with being "safe", in my mind, but I voted for it. I'm hoping beyond hope that Isa is brought home.

TechWriter797
05-24-2012, 08:36 PM
I voted this afternoon, but I just now listened to the 911 tape and want to change my vote to "One of Isabel's parents murdered the little girl, and both parents are involved in a cover-up." EXCEPT, I would strike the "both parents are involved in a cover-up" part.

(I had been deliberately NOT listening to the 911 call up until this point.)

marikesh
05-26-2012, 04:19 PM
Hi. I've been following the case, just not posting before.

I voted other. I think it's quite possible that Isabel is still alive and possible that only one parent knows where she is.
From my experience with families who had their children removed and were not allowed to see them for a time ... is not just because of physical abuse against the youngsters. There have been cases that CP has gotten involved in when there was extreme fighting/arguing by the parents which can also cause the children to suffer emotionally. If this is picked up by astute teachers in school, it's possible this was relayed to the police after the fact of Isabel going missing.
Was there fighting between the parents? I don't know, but if there was and a divorce was in the talks ... fill in the best answer ...

Desdemona
05-26-2012, 07:52 PM
"Other."

Isabel may have died, with her body then secretly removed from the home for disposal, due to foul play at the hands of one parent, i.e. death may have been unintentional but was caused by criminal abuse/neglect on the part of the parent.

Maybe the other parent does not know what happened and is therefore not part of the cover up?

Dad's 911 call is chilling IMO.

jacct
05-27-2012, 06:23 PM
I voted other, still need more info to determine what happened.

NewsMuse
06-07-2012, 02:30 PM
I voted extended family member/place known to parents. However, I believe this is my heart speaking. After hearing the 911 call (that chuckle, who does that?), it was harder to ignore the behavior of Isa's parents. Then CPS was smack in the middle of everything, only to find out they had been to the very same home in Dec 2011, I'm also confused at the (apparent) lack of urgency on the part of LE but understand.

I really hate to judge anyone and lack of information drives me crazy. On the other hand, LE keeping most everything close to the vest is very important, especially if Isa is still alive.

:praying:

SapphireSteel
06-13-2012, 03:52 PM
My choice was there.

Isabel was murdered at home by one parent and it was covered up by both parents.

Sad to say in this case, but the most obvious scenario is usually the one that occurred.

Early on I did hope that it was a staged abduction (for profit) but the release of info regarding writing in Isa's closet and blood on her bedroom floor pretty much erased that hope for me.

What I cannot understand is the release of so much sensitive information so early in an investigation, then silence.

They have the initial testing results by now.

BetteDavisEyes
06-13-2012, 04:31 PM
My choice was there.

Isabel was murdered at home by one parent and it was covered up by both parents.

Sad to say in this case, but the most obvious scenario is usually the one that occurred.

Early on I did hope that it was a staged abduction (for profit) but the release of info regarding writing in Isa's closet and blood on her bedroom floor pretty much erased that hope for me.

What I cannot understand is the release of so much sensitive information so early in an investigation, then silence.

They have the initial testing results by now.

Thanks for voting, SapphireSteel, and WELCOME to Websleuths!

TerriM
06-18-2012, 02:38 PM
New to posting on the thread but I have been following the case. Thanks for the poll, I like to read what everyone is thinking. I'm just so sad that another child is gone , like Caylee, Zarah, Kyron Lisa and all the others before her broke my heart Isabel did as well. One day this will happen and well get the happy news that,the child was found alive, i hope its Isabel but the silence has been deafening.
OH I voted that she was taken by extended family / friend and parents do not know. Being there are other children in the,family I hope the parents are innocent in all this.

oceanblueeyes
06-21-2012, 10:59 AM
In this particular poll the 'other' is the majority vote.

And it has many options to pick from.

I find that very interesting.

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 03:29 PM
In this particular poll the 'other' is the majority vote.

And it has many options to pick from.

I find that very interesting.

That's true, obe: There could be as many different opinions about "other" as there are posters who voted this way (41).

That said, currently, 118 voters in five different selections on the poll believe that Isabel is deceased. Sadly, a majority of voters believe that Isabel is no longer alive. Whoever abducted the little girl, is hiding her somewhere away from her family, or has murdered the child should be arrested, charged, and brought to justice. :moo:

FrayedKnot
08-02-2012, 10:48 PM
That's true, obe: There could be as many different opinions about "other" as there are posters who voted this way (41).

That said, currently, 118 voters in five different selections on the poll believe that Isabel is deceased. Sadly, a majority of voters believe that Isabel is no longer alive. Whoever abducted the little girl, is hiding her somewhere away from her family, or has murdered the child should be arrested, charged, and brought to justice. :moo:

BDE:

Have I told you lately that I love you?

Big hugs,
Frayed :)

BetteDavisEyes
08-07-2012, 08:11 AM
BDE:

Have I told you lately that I love you?

Big hugs,
Frayed :)

:blowkiss: :loveyou:

LadyL
08-10-2012, 05:59 PM
I voted other. I believe her father is involved but I don't know how. I do not think her mother had anything to do with it. She may have suspicions now though.

SapphireSteel
09-04-2012, 06:30 PM
Ha! She knows...

It's always so hard for us to believe.

It goes against nature to murder your own child. Good and loving parents cannot comprehend it. We try to think of every possible alernative scenario rather than accept what is statistically most likely.

DIRK SCHILLER
10-09-2012, 09:34 AM
:seeya: :kimsterwink:

Wow ... what an interesting list of choices here ...

I had to vote "Other" because I cannot decide IF :

- Isabel was accidentally killed by one of her parents, and they are both involved in a cover-up.

- One of Isabel's parents murdered the little girl, and both parents are involved in a cover-up.


:please: I sure hope they find little Isabel soon :please:

JMO and :moo:

that´s exactly my problem

Reader
10-21-2012, 02:42 PM
In this particular poll the 'other' is the majority vote.

And it has many options to pick from.

I find that very interesting.

Now this option is 1 vote ahead:


One of Isabel's parents murdered the little girl, and both parents are involved in a cover-up.

That's how I voted when the poll first came out....

Beachgirl17
01-10-2013, 09:03 PM
I thought a eye witness saw a man chases a little girl around the time the little girl went missing.

BetteDavisEyes
01-11-2013, 12:35 PM
I thought a eye witness saw a man chases a little girl around the time the little girl went missing.

Thanks for your post. I don't recall having heard/read about this. Do you have a link for verification?

Please join the discussion about the Isabel Celis case on the Missing board:

AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #25 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Lexington
01-20-2013, 05:46 PM
I voted that the father did it, with the mother covering for him. My gut feeling from the very start was that he is responsible. He is just so "off". I think the mother just can't bring herself to this realization. I wouldn't rule out a sexual agenda as to why Isabel had to "disappear".

Foxfire
04-02-2013, 01:44 PM
Folks, imo from day one all indicators pointed to a stranger sexual predator/s abduction..

Check this out: Child abduction; SanDiego, CA - Isabel Cellis's abduction Tucson, AZ - Same MO
Is the (CA) abduction & Isabel Celis (AZ) abduction & the SD, CA abduction related?

http://www.lapdblog.org/

One suspect Daniel Martine'z of West Hills, in the kidnapping has been apprehended, but another is still at large -- as far as reports are indicating...

Tobias Dustin Summers, 30, remains at large but a 29-year-old by the name of Daniel Martinez has been arrested on suspicion of the crimes.

LAPD/F.B.I. Seek Public’s Help Locating Child Kidnapping Suspect
Los Angeles: The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Robbery Homicide Division and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are asking for the public’s help in locating 30-year-old Tobias Dustin Summers.

Summers is wanted in connection with the kidnapping of a 10-year-old girl from the Northridge Area. He is described as a male White, 160 pounds with blonde hair and blue eyes. Summers is described as having close cropped hair.
Below is the release associated with this suspect:

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 around 1 a.m., a 10-year-old girl was last seen by her mother in bed at their residence in the 8000 block of Oakdale Avenue in the Northridge area. Around 3:30 a.m., the girl’s mother went to check on her and discovered that she was missing.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...olice-confirm/

CBS/AP) PHOENIX - Police investigating the disappearance of 6-year-old Arizona girl Isabel Mercedes Celis confirmed Tuesday they believe she was abducted.
Pictures: 6-year-old vanishes from Arizona home
Investigators have searched the girl's Tucson, Ariz., home, interviewed more than 500 sex offenders and waded through 1,000-plus tips. So far, they haven't named a suspect.
Police previously characterized the case as a "suspicious disappearance/possible abduction."

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Neighbor-of-Isabel-Celis-says-she-heard-voices-dogs-barking-the-morning-of-girls-disappearance-149181685.html
Neighbor Alicia Stardevant lives next door to the family's home; a wall separates her bedroom from Isabel's. On Saturday she woke up to noises outside her window.
"I noticed two male voices outside my bedroom window and I also noticed their dogs just going crazy, too," Stardevant said. "I didn't really think anything of it because it was light outside and I thought maybe someone was going for a walk."

Foxfire
04-02-2013, 01:53 PM
Meth related, as are most sex related abductions, either directly or indirectly, imo.. Check out the at large suspect's pic:

L.A. kidnapping suspect may be hiding out in San Diego

http://www.cbs8.com/story/21849533/1-suspect-arrested-in-la-abduction-2nd-may-be-in-san-diego

oceanblueeyes
05-14-2013, 11:44 AM
Folks, imo from day one all indicators pointed to a stranger sexual predator/s abduction..

Check this out: Child abduction; SanDiego, CA - Isabel Cellis's abduction Tucson, AZ - Same MO
Is the (CA) abduction & Isabel Celis (AZ) abduction & the SD, CA abduction related?

http://www.lapdblog.org/

One suspect Daniel Martine'z of West Hills, in the kidnapping has been apprehended, but another is still at large -- as far as reports are indicating...

Tobias Dustin Summers, 30, remains at large but a 29-year-old by the name of Daniel Martinez has been arrested on suspicion of the crimes.

LAPD/F.B.I. Seek Public’s Help Locating Child Kidnapping Suspect
Los Angeles: The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Robbery Homicide Division and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are asking for the public’s help in locating 30-year-old Tobias Dustin Summers.

Summers is wanted in connection with the kidnapping of a 10-year-old girl from the Northridge Area. He is described as a male White, 160 pounds with blonde hair and blue eyes. Summers is described as having close cropped hair.
Below is the release associated with this suspect:

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 around 1 a.m., a 10-year-old girl was last seen by her mother in bed at their residence in the 8000 block of Oakdale Avenue in the Northridge area. Around 3:30 a.m., the girl’s mother went to check on her and discovered that she was missing.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...olice-confirm/

CBS/AP) PHOENIX - Police investigating the disappearance of 6-year-old Arizona girl Isabel Mercedes Celis confirmed Tuesday they believe she was abducted.
Pictures: 6-year-old vanishes from Arizona home
Investigators have searched the girl's Tucson, Ariz., home, interviewed more than 500 sex offenders and waded through 1,000-plus tips. So far, they haven't named a suspect.
Police previously characterized the case as a "suspicious disappearance/possible abduction."

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Neighbor-of-Isabel-Celis-says-she-heard-voices-dogs-barking-the-morning-of-girls-disappearance-149181685.html
Neighbor Alicia Stardevant lives next door to the family's home; a wall separates her bedroom from Isabel's. On Saturday she woke up to noises outside her window.
"I noticed two male voices outside my bedroom window and I also noticed their dogs just going crazy, too," Stardevant said. "I didn't really think anything of it because it was light outside and I thought maybe someone was going for a walk."

Thank you. I have always believed this was a stranger abduction. The dogs wouldn't have kept barking if they knew the two men.

I pray everyday for Isa and her family that one day they may have answers.

I think sometimes some just don't want to believe a child can be taken out of a home in the middle of the night without the family knowing a thing. I think it happens more than we are aware. Just like the case you have linked. I wouldn't have known about that case if I didn't read it here.

IMO

rob
06-17-2013, 11:07 AM
IMO, the father was doing a bad acting job each time he went public, then CPS separated him from the children, and he agreed to it. Most people, at a time like that, would not have agreed.
The mother is also off in her behavior. Hard to peg her, but I think it is a cover-up by her.
My hope is that one day, one of the boys will come forward, and tell what was going on in that house.
One last thing, if also seemed odd to me that extended family did not speak out. An hispanic friend, told me 'no way, they would be screaming from the rooftops', it's the hispanic way, in her opinion. That sealed the case for her, that something the whole family knows or are involved in, drug-trafficing, something illegal sexually, etc....

LisaB
07-10-2013, 10:23 AM
If I was to choose "Isabel was accidentally killed by one of her brothers, and the parents are involved in a cover-up." is that going to get me into trouble? The boys are/were minors and have never been suggested by LE as POI...

I thought WS rules prohibited us from pointing fingers at minors, and non-POIs? Is it different if it is a poll?

Sharmila
07-19-2013, 12:04 PM
I voted for one parent did it and both parents are covering up. I dont think the brothers knew anything although may know by now. I found it very strange that the father was chuckling during the 911 call as if she was just playing hide and seek. He was just a little too relaxed under the circumstances. The mother is also rather odd.

Their reluctance to do any media appearances especially at the beginning didn't make any sense to me considering how many parents run to the media and beg for their child to be returned. I felt like they took forever to do that. And when they did their mannerisms and body language was all off. I hope to god Im wrong about all these wild assumptions... and the beautiful little girl is found well and happy. Although now that its taken so long Im loosing hope:-(

Cherry
07-19-2013, 12:06 PM
Which of the following best describes your current position on what happened to 6-year-old Isabel Celis who went missing from her home in Tuscon, AZ on April 20?

Submitted by BetteDavisEyes

I feel both parents r involved, and something happened in that shower which is why LE took shower curtain into evidence. Jmmho

Nvgirl
08-19-2013, 11:14 PM
Imo
1. I think the uncle and the dad was in a child ring making video type thing, and thats what would go on in the red car. And she didnt want to do it anymore and was becoming uncoprative. Started talking more. Mb said she was going to tell.
2. The uncle and dad were in the huge drug world, and she was "taken" and why he was acting funny cause he was guilty cause drug dealers warned them.

These are the 2 I think the neighbor heard early that morning. I am meaning the STEP uncle the one that made them call him uncle.

HauntsForHope
08-27-2013, 06:56 PM
The uncle took her to an undisclosed location. http://************.com/2012/05/03/isabel-celis-missing-breaking-news-investigation-focuses-on-celis-relative-uncle-justin-mastromarino-cousin-is-also-former-houseguest/

CanManEh
08-27-2013, 07:10 PM
If they had the phones tapped and cell records I bet you would be able to figure this one out hopefully they did and we just don't know about it...

ScarlettScarpetta
08-27-2013, 07:36 PM
Parents are innocent.

Someone close to them though.

oceanblueeyes
08-29-2013, 09:06 AM
Parents are innocent.

Someone close to them though.

I am still convinced the parents are innocent.

However the cousin or uncle that stayed with them for months is suspect for me and I believe this is the family member that has hired a lawyer which I find highly suspicious.

In 18 months the Celis family has never hire an attorney but they have hired a PI to look for Isa.

I just hope she wasn't offered up to settle a drug debt that this family member may have had.:(

I am so glad though that the Celis' still try to keep Isa's case in the media.

oceanblueeyes
08-29-2013, 09:12 AM
I feel both parents r involved, and something happened in that shower which is why LE took shower curtain into evidence. Jmmho

They took it out of the abandoned car because it had a reddish stain on it. If it had been Isa's blood there would have been an arrest. Lots of people throw shower curtains in the trunk to lay plants on so the trunk doesn't get dirty or use them to spread out on the ground when sitting in a park or it could have been old paint if it was used as a drop cloth, etc.

I don't think they found one thing pointing to the Celis family. They did find an unidentified fingerprint on the open window though.

Hopefully one day they will be able to find the suspect so they can match that fingerprint up.

IMO

oceanblueeyes
08-29-2013, 09:26 AM
I voted for one parent did it and both parents are covering up. I dont think the brothers knew anything although may know by now. I found it very strange that the father was chuckling during the 911 call as if she was just playing hide and seek. He was just a little too relaxed under the circumstances. The mother is also rather odd.

Their reluctance to do any media appearances especially at the beginning didn't make any sense to me considering how many parents run to the media and beg for their child to be returned. I felt like they took forever to do that. And when they did their mannerisms and body language was all off. I hope to god Im wrong about all these wild assumptions... and the beautiful little girl is found well and happy. Although now that its taken so long Im loosing hope:-(

If you think his nervous chuckle is odd then you haven't heard odd unless you have already seen this.

Listen to this 911 call by a mother who found her son dead and his head decapitated.

She had absolutely nothing to do with his murder and the man who murdered him has been convicted and sent to prison for life. Oh but everyone in Ohio was just sure this mother had something to do with her son's death because she doesn't chuckle but laughs out loud. When in truthfulness she just couldn't grasp what was happening.

There is no correct way for people to act on 911 calls. I think Sergio really felt the police would come and find Isa somewhere in the neighborhood.

Mom Finds Beheaded Son, Calmly Calls 911 - YouTube

MissJ
08-29-2013, 10:01 AM
On HLN last night parents are speaking out about a relative they think "knows something".

lisette
10-18-2013, 05:46 PM
I think that if I had a relative that might "know something" about my missing daughter, that relative would either be talking or not able to talk because of the beating that I would put on them...just sayin'

Cagney
12-29-2013, 03:01 AM
Has there been any news about Isabel?

justice2013
01-21-2014, 04:34 PM
I think that if I had a relative that might "know something" about my missing daughter, that relative would either be talking or not able to talk because of the beating that I would put on them...just sayin'
I agree with that. And that is why I think dad is lying. I think its a ploy to again get the focus on anyone else but them. That has always been their only focus. Kinda like the Mccanns.

Becky sold me on her death when she finally spoke after weeks hiding out at home rather than search for her child... When....she said the reason they did not speak out was that they were "greiving". You greive when your child is dead. Missing children can be found. She told us the truth in that moment.


And.. they were in the news again his past week since cops have camped out again in the area to try to get new leads by going door to door....


Below what the mom and dad said to the news. Note how the main concern is about getting the focus off of them and not about finding their child. No talk of how grateful they are that the cops are looking again.



and yes... this is what they said. as jumbled and rambling as it looks. Becky especially sounded like she was stressed.... but not stressed about her child missing, but that the cops were back....

so what I have below is what they said word for word as odd as it is.

So, imagine your child is missing, the horror of what they may be going thru (im pretending for a moment she is missing as they claim but I believe she is dead)

This was what they had to say.


BECKY: It’s a good thing.. It’s a thing that you know and you see them and you know that there are gonna.. they are trying um im hoping that what.. yah know that’s the thought that they are trying and trying to get what they need out of this and so it’s a positive but has a negative effect too, it does bring back the memories of the whole thing.

SERGIO: "We have a lot of questions that aren't answered, a lot of things that we wish we could just close the book on. But until then, there's so many things that are left so wide open. You know, they did so much digging right here right here, in our house, right here between me and Becky, into our family, you know, we have already been stripped away from our little daughter and we were violated all over again. And we're hoping that this time around maybe someone else can get the attention. And maybe that, you know, all that strength, and all that force, can go somewhere else and we can really get down to a lot of answers,"

justice2013
01-27-2014, 05:09 PM
1. Dad laughed on the 911 call. Reminds me of how the McCanns laughed and smiled 4 days after Madeline was “kidnapped” on what would have been her birthday. Yes, their website that is all about discrediting and/or explaining the evidence or their behavior stated it was because balloons flew in their face. Sorry, balloons in my face will not crack me up and leave me smiling for some time if my child has been taken. NOTHING IS FUNNY! I would be horrified at what could be happening to him.
2. The parents did not search. Instead hid out for 2 weeks. Mom later claims they were “grieving”. If you lose your child in the store, would you and go home and grieve? OR… would you fanatically search and not give up?
a. Again, grieving…… this is done when the child is deceased. Not when you just discovered her missing. You do not grieve at this point. You search!
3. Parents stated Isabel ALWAYS slept with her brothers. Yet dad states he first went to her room to wake her up… then when she was not there, he then checked her brothers room.
a. If she always slept with them, he would have checked their rooms first.
4. Mom stated she left for work at about 6:47 which would mean that at 6:30am when the neighbor heard both her dogs and the Celis’s dogs “going crazy barking and men’s voices talking” (the time was confirmed because she said it was so early, she right away looked at her clock curious what time it was as it was the weekend) she would have been awake as she would be about ready to leave for work. The whole family claims they heard “nothing”. If your dogs are barking at that hour, with the rest of the house asleep, you would know. Plus the neighbor said it was not a usual bark but seemed more like a frantic one.
a. Also, her brothers rooms also have windows on the same wall of the house near Isabel’s. If their 3 dogs were frantically barking, they would have woken up.
i. For those that want to argue that teen boys can sleep through anything… I have a teenage step son. He can sleep through my son running around the house making loud noises, blaring tv and music… but our neighbors dog is always on the side of the house by the bedroom window of the room he sleeps in when he is at our house. The distance is about the same as the one from the neighbors to the Celiss home…..and if that dog is barking over something as simple as someone parked out front, it wakes him up every time. And that is the dog next door not right under the window and I think the Celis family had 3 dogs and the neighbor 2. So we have about 5 dogs barking? I think not.
5. They also stated that their dogs were kept inside. But the neighbor said the dogs were usually outside and it was obvious by how loud the dogs were, that they were in fact outside right by Isabel’s bedroom window which is just feet from the neighbors own bedroom window. If the dogs had been inside, it is likely the neighbor would not have heard them at all.
6. Blood was found in Isabel’s room and the parents have since re-painted it. This is alarming 2 levels. First, if she was kidnapped, there may be some evidence still in that room. Changing anything would remove any chance of finding anything additional. Second, innocent parents refuse to change their kids rooms, instead it becomes more of a shrine until they return.
7. Becky’s facebook page looks more like a normal happy family than one dealing with the kidnapping of one of their precious kids. She does post things about Isabel (I think more for show) but most of it is about fun times with the family. They have clearly moved on. This is not what normal families do. Check it out for yourself (she is under Rebecca Celis).
8. There has been a lot of rumor about something being written on Isabels door frame. Others have said there was nothing. But from what I read, the police took that piece of the door frame as evidence. If there was nothing there, they would not have cut it off and taken it as evidence.
9. And last but not least, the father was asked to leave the home. I don’t recall any other abduction case where this occurred.

justice2013
01-27-2014, 05:34 PM
If you think his nervous chuckle is odd then you haven't heard odd unless you have already seen this.

Listen to this 911 call by a mother who found her son dead and his head decapitated.

She had absolutely nothing to do with his murder and the man who murdered him has been convicted and sent to prison for life. Oh but everyone in Ohio was just sure this mother had something to do with her son's death because she doesn't chuckle but laughs out loud. When in truthfulness she just couldn't grasp what was happening.

There is no correct way for people to act on 911 calls. I think Sergio really felt the police would come and find Isa somewhere in the neighborhood.

Mom Finds Beheaded Son, Calmly Calls 911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzMj4Q4mhM)







I had not previously heard about this case and read up on it.
There is very little information out there…… And while does seem very clear that the mother did not do this…. I still am concerned by the laugh. Which I did not hear as only a small clip was left of the call that I could find.
But that even seemed more like she was calling in to report a kid spray painting a wall.

However, if that was the only odd behavior, there may be another factor.
But with Becky and Sergio, there was not just the laugh on the 911 call. There were many other factors that to me lead to their guilt.
And for parents that do not seem to show the level of concern as us normal parents do, I think there are 2 reason:
1. They were abusive parents or did not enjoy their child. There may be some relief to be rid of them even if they are not personally responsible.
2. They were responsible.
My husbands mother is very cold. 2 weeks after her oldest daughter was killed in a car bombing (she was helping women in Afghanstan) when someone said to her they were sorry for her loss. She replied “oh, I am fine. I have already come to terms with it”.
I remember being so completely shocked. Especially as a mother now myself, I am not sure I could go on if I lost my son. Must less would I be fine in 2 weeks.
As it was, my husband could barely get out of bed. I had to force him to eat. He just cried and slept. Even to this day (7 years later) her name, a song she liked or any memory brings him to tears. His mother never shed a tear. Even at the funeral. She never shed a tear.
Now, this mother….. if you can call her that gave birth to 11 kids with 6 different men. She was never loving to any of them. She was abusive and often left them with family and even strangers for months at a time. My son, her grandson sees her as a stranger still to this day and he is 6. She does not feel like a “grandmother”. When we see her, sometimes my husband will tell him to give her a hug and my son always looks at me and asks “do I have to”.

So my point is that in this case, while she was clearly not the car bomber that killed her daughter, she did not care for her kids or ensure their safety and I honestly believe based on all that I have learned about her over the years and the horrible things she did and allowed others to do was that she did not love her kids and losing them was not devestating as it would be for a normal parent.

But with Sergio, while he may not have personally been responsible, I think he does know what happened and I do think there was some abuse in that home. They do not act like parents that are trying to bring their little girl home.
So the laugh alone may not be enough, but it was the other factors in the case that convinced me of their guilt.
So I still stand by the fact that they were involved.
They never searched
They spoke of her in the past tense early on
They repainted her room

There was more to it, but those were some of the basics.
Too many concerning factors in this case.

oceanblueeyes
01-28-2014, 10:04 AM
I had not previously heard about this case and read up on it.
There is very little information out there…… And while does seem very clear that the mother did not do this…. I still am concerned by the laugh. Which I did not hear as only a small clip was left of the call that I could find.
But that even seemed more like she was calling in to report a kid spray painting a wall.

However, if that was the only odd behavior, there may be another factor.
But with Becky and Sergio, there was not just the laugh on the 911 call. There were many other factors that to me lead to their guilt.
And for parents that do not seem to show the level of concern as us normal parents do, I think there are 2 reason:
1. They were abusive parents or did not enjoy their child. There may be some relief to be rid of them even if they are not personally responsible.
2. They were responsible.
My husbands mother is very cold. 2 weeks after her oldest daughter was killed in a car bombing (she was helping women in Afghanstan) when someone said to her they were sorry for her loss. She replied “oh, I am fine. I have already come to terms with it”.
I remember being so completely shocked. Especially as a mother now myself, I am not sure I could go on if I lost my son. Must less would I be fine in 2 weeks.
As it was, my husband could barely get out of bed. I had to force him to eat. He just cried and slept. Even to this day (7 years later) her name, a song she liked or any memory brings him to tears. His mother never shed a tear. Even at the funeral. She never shed a tear.
Now, this mother….. if you can call her that gave birth to 11 kids with 6 different men. She was never loving to any of them. She was abusive and often left them with family and even strangers for months at a time. My son, her grandson sees her as a stranger still to this day and he is 6. She does not feel like a “grandmother”. When we see her, sometimes my husband will tell him to give her a hug and my son always looks at me and asks “do I have to”.

So my point is that in this case, while she was clearly not the car bomber that killed her daughter, she did not care for her kids or ensure their safety and I honestly believe based on all that I have learned about her over the years and the horrible things she did and allowed others to do was that she did not love her kids and losing them was not devestating as it would be for a normal parent.

But with Sergio, while he may not have personally been responsible, I think he does know what happened and I do think there was some abuse in that home. They do not act like parents that are trying to bring their little girl home.
So the laugh alone may not be enough, but it was the other factors in the case that convinced me of their guilt.
So I still stand by the fact that they were involved.
They never searched
They spoke of her in the past tense early on
They repainted her room

There was more to it, but those were some of the basics.
Too many concerning factors in this case.

There is absolutely no evidence that Isa's parents were abusive to her. Imo, they both doted on her because she was their youngest child and only daughter.
Everyone that worked closely with Sergio said he has always been an outstanding father.

It is not uncommon for parents not to search. Sierra Lamar never searched for her daughter either but was very involved in putting up and handing out fliers as the Celis parents have done.

I have found in the past 12 years of being on Crime Message boards it is best to not judge others by what "I' would do or how they act or how "I" think they must act to meet my approval. I cant remember one missing child case where the parents weren't seen as suspicious and did not meet the approval of the internet masses. Yet many of those parents who were unmercifully criticized too were not the ones who had harmed their children whatsoever and didn't know the person WHO DID.

It seems to have become commonplace with internet chatter for the majority to see suspicion in all parents....even innocent ones.

I gather from all I have read that the Celis parents were very loving to all of their children and their lives revolved around them.

There is no fact to your statement:"So I still stand by the fact that they were involved." Facts are supported by evidence .....not speculation.

Marlene Lamar also spoke in past tense very early on before they found Sierra's killer and so did Ed Smart and other innocent parents. They were both innocent so speaking in past tense is no evidence of guilt. Mental health doctors have spoken out before about this very subject and said it is because the child is not with the parents or parent where the parents know they should be when they speak. Nothing sinister about it.

They did not paint her room and give it to one of the boys. They painted ISA's bedroom into things she liked and colors she loves so it would be pretty for her when she returned. They didn't make her room into a den. It is still Isa's room and in girly colors she loved.

I do not believe the parents of Isa had one thing to do with her disappearance. They think a family member knows but imo they don't. They think this because they cling to hope she is alive.

I have always felt, like in a lot of other child abduction cases, it is someone that saw her and lived in the neighborhood or visited there. Maybe even pretending to befriend her parents in order to know the layout of her home.

The dogs barking mean nothing. When Joe Duncan came inside the Greone home and murdered three and kidnapped Shasta and Dylan he knew there were two large pit bulls INSIDE the home. He was ready to kill them too he told Shasta but all they did was whimper and get under the dining room table and hide the entire time.

When Jessica Lunsford was kidnapped from her grandparents home she had a dog sleeping in the bed with her. It never made a sound and John Couey was able to remove her from the home undetected.

I don't believe the dogs barking outside later on after Rebecca had put them out that morning had anything to do with Isa. I think she had been kidnapped when it was in the middle of the night and dark..like most abductors do.

IMO

Beachgirl17
02-15-2014, 11:10 AM
On Nancy Grace show Cold Cases she featured Isabelle Celis case and Nancy stated that there was a eye witness that someone came forward and reported they saw a man chasing a young girl. This is the only time I have heard this stated and it was by Nancy Grace.