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FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 01:49 PM
Yeah I've read that. Look at how many posts are made in a relativly short time... Imo that says that he easily gets obsessed with things and when he's finished with them he throws them away, like I said jmo.

Good observation, although I will say I am very much like that. Well, maybe not "throw" them away, but "put" them away and pick up again later when my interest in them is re-piqued.

Of course I refer to art media, book genres, web forums, other types of hobbies. Not people or anything skeery like that, lol!

I'm ADD, not a sociopath. Ahem. :P

But back to your comment, LM has definitely shown a pattern of serial one-mindedness (for lack of a better term). While that in itself may not be alarming, combined with his other personality (again, lack of a better word) traits, it could point at some much bigger issues as well as be crucial in leading LE to unsolved crimes.

Again, good observation! :)

Karmady
06-07-2012, 01:50 PM
I have a question: Anybody been on deep web and found anything of use? I'm going to try to convince a friend tonight to go have a look. (I'm not so in to computers myself).

Haven't read all the threads from start so dunno if you guys have this.
http://mafiarussian.hubpages.com/hub/Luka-Magnotta-Russian-Mafia

Is that another of Magnottas accounts? Did he write that himself?

I have. Haven't found anything, but that might not be so easy to do and I haven't looked hard. Also, afaict, most of the worst places down there require invitations or at least registrations. I've checked out some sites where I might have expected him to post due to the subject matter, but nothing came up immediately. But I also wasn't spending the time to check for all of his bazillion sock puppets.

Btw, I blame WS. I was planning to have a glass of wine and read here but the thread was closed. Instead, I found myself on the darknet...hope y'all can live with yourselves lol

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 01:51 PM
Read first post here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt90930.html

Looks like just another Luka plagarism in an attempt to make himself look crazyy :floorlaugh:

Sorry Meowen, I missed your post! Good catch!

thedissent
06-07-2012, 01:53 PM
Hey all, I've updated the timeline again based on feedback.

NOTE: This timeline contains mainly established facts, but also potential suppositions and leads. I have qualified suppositions and leads with words such as "allegedly" or "claimed" or "there is some evidence that..."

In all cases, I've attempted to systematically document any facts, assertions, or suppositions with sources and links so people can verify.

Based on feedback, I've removed some entries concerning "Beavis Butthead" (such as comparisons between BB and the DataLounge troll), and focused mainly on facts concerning BB. Though BB may just be a troll, he has come up often in discussions-- and was accused in MSM that he may be BB-- so I think it's worthwhile to at least have the fact established he is not LRM (despite what some media outlets have erroneously reported).

Of course, I welcome any feedback and will repost to the non-discussion thread.

================
TIMELINE
=================

2007 - LRM allegedly involved in flame wars on YouTube. There is some evidence that LRM already has many sockpuppets on YouTube and that his main YouTube account "lukamagnotta1" is suspended for abuse of TOS.

Evidence of these YouTube flame wars come from, among other things, from videos that other people made in response to LRM's abusive actions.

"Mega Man 999 Mega Man II" found on this YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/LtGradient - mocks LRM's use of "Megaman999Megaman" sockpuppet accounts as well as his hatred of homeless people.

"Goodbye lukamagnotta1" - found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/bloglops - celebrates that LRM's main YouTube account has been suspended.

Also, the dossier compiled by Animal Rights activists pursuing LRM documents some evidence of these early YouTube disputes:

See: http://www.abproject.org/docs/Kitten%20Killer%202010%20-%202011.pdf


May, 2007 - LRM claims that a rumour has circulated around the Internet about him dating Karla Homolka, the infamous spouse and accomplice of serial killer Paul Bernardo. LRM calls into Toronto Sun News to be interviewed in order to "set the record straight". Claims the rumour is ruining his life.

Source: http://www.torontosun.com/videos/1663745829001


December, 2011 – LRM allegedly shows up at Sun News office in the UK to dispute a story that he was involved with animal abuse videos online. After the interview, UK Sun claims LRM emails the Sun with the alias “John Kilbride” and threatens that he will make a "new video" involving "humans" .

Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4349654/Cannibal-on-run-after-chopping-up-man-warned-The-Sun-I-cant-stop-killing.html


April 22, 2012 - YouTube account "Rita VanVolkenberg" uploads several videos of LRM, most entitled “Cannibal Serial Killer - Luka Magnotta”. This is several weeks before the actual murder of Jun Lin.

See: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyFA2kJn70_zCnruYxnzc5A


May 12, 2012 – Someone posts on Yahoo “There is a video circulating TOR ( The Deep Web) all I know is it was shot in San Fransisco, I have been trying to find it for weeks.”

Source: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120515173030AAbc9B7


May 14, 2012 - YouTube account "alexisvaloranreich" uploads a video which consists a single image of a hooded person holding an icepick with a poster of Casablanca in the background. The uploader states: "There is apparently a video circulating around the deep web called " One Lunatic One Ice Pick" Video. Does anyone have a copy of it ?”

See: http://www.youtube.com/user/alexisvaloranreich

Two other accounts "genisismaster" and "adamlemmon" comment on the above video a day later on May 15, 2012, both suggesting they know of the video.

See: http://www.youtube.com/user/genisismaster
See: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK9JM59BAXnTysPyKeDXL0Q/feed

Both accounts have little activity other than these posts. The "genisismaster" account has "favorited" several animal abuse videos, like one where a bunny is fed to a snake.


May 15, 2012 - a poster named "babymaggie11" similarly asks about a "1 lunatic, 1 ice pick" video on OhLookaForum.com

Source: http://www.ohlookaforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17600

The name "babymaggie1" is linked to LRM on other sites, where he appears to have uploaded a photo of himself.

See: http://us.fotolog.com/babymaggie1/56700955/


May 16, 2012 – Someone called "anonymousgirl33" posts a similar video on DailyMotion asking about a "1 Lunatic 1 icepick" video.

Source: http://www.dailymotion.com/anonymousgirl33

Same day, someone called "anonymousgirl4" makes two posts on Psychoforums.com, writing one titled "The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video" and saying, among other things, "There is a video of a guy around aged 20 from San Fransisco, he apparently made real snuff films that depict cannabilisim and necrophilia along with the murder".

Source: http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic89464.html

Notice that "San Francisco" is repeatedly misspelled as "San Fransisco" in these anonymous posts about the video before it has been even made.


May 24, 2012 - Last time Jun Lin is seen by friends. Lin Jun parents lose contact with him.

Source: http://metronews.ca/news/canada/249642/magnotta-nabbed-perusing-web-reports-about-himself/


May 25, 2012 - LRM's neighbour in Montreal claims to have seen him arrying box to post office.

Source: http://metronews.ca/news/canada/249642/magnotta-nabbed-perusing-web-reports-about-himself/


May 25, 2012 - The alleged kill video is posted on BestGore.com by Mark Marek, who now claims he posted after it was sent to him by a contributor to the site.

Interestingly, the posting on May 25 states "Very hard to find, the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video took the internet by the storm as the most horrific shock video to have been released to date. There are speculations that One Lunatic One Ice Pick may be an actual snuff film..." There's also mention of "San Francisco" and "Russia" as the origins.

This is similar to April 22 and May 15/16 posts (noted above) which also spoke of "rumours" of a "snuff film" that may have been filmed in "San Francisco".

Source: http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/1-lunatic-1-ice-pick-video/


May 26, 2012 – A lawyer in Montana claims to have viewed "1 Lunatic, 1 Icepick" video on BestGore.com and calls the Toronto police about it. Apparently, the police tell him to contact "Crime Stoppers".

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/05/pol-magnotta-best-gore-police.html


May 26, 2012 - Magnotta flies out of Montreal to France on an Air Transat flight. He sits in row 33 and his bizarre behavior alarms some passengers. LRM is seen "crying" at the back of the plane at some point.

Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report


May 29, 2012 - A Montreal janitor discovers a suit case containing a human torso in a pile of garbage and discarded furniture on the curb near Place Lucy, LRM's building.

Source: http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/gruesome+discovery+in+suitcase+left+in+montreal+tr ash+bin/6442650312/story.html


May 29, 2012 - A package containing a human foot and a "note" arrives at Conservative Party HQ. A second package, containing a human hand, is discovered at an Ottawa Canada Post warehouse, addressed to the Liberal Party of Canada HQ.

Source: http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/timeline+of+events+body+parts+murder+case/6442651932/story.html


May 29, 2012 - Police investigation focuses on LRM, as video surveillance taken both from LRM's apartment building as well as the local Canada Post mail depot (where the body part packages were mailed) show a "nervous" man matching LRM's description putting garbage at the curb several times, as well as a "nervous" LRM at the Canada Post mail depot.

Source: http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2012/06/05/19840541.html


May 30, 2012 - After LRM's apartment (5309 Place Lucy, Apartment 208) is searched, he becomes #1 suspect and a nationwide warrant is issued for his arrest.

Police also confirm that they are aware of the "Bestgore" kill video, and believe it to be authentic.

Source: http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Pages/Story.aspx?id=6442650854


May 31, 2012 - Police say they have evidence suggesting LRM has left the country, and an international manhunt begins.

Source: www.globaltvedmonton.com/Pages/Story.aspx?id=6442651008


May 31, 2012 – Youtube user “Beavis Butthead” (BB) uploads videos on YouTube claiming LRM is being "framed" by an "insane agent" that he had "fired". Later, BB targets "Kris Sims" of the Toronto Sun News, who ran a story on Toronto Sun News that BB may be LRM.

See: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=plcp

Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/01/new-youtube-video-sounds-like-magnotta-expert

However, BB is not LRM, as BB continues to post after LRM was arrested.


June 1, 2012 - The victim is identified as Jun Lin, a 33 year old Chinese exchange student.

Source: http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/body+parts+victim+missing+chinese+student+montreal +police/6442652308/story.html


June 4-5 2012 - LRM seen in France and then arrested in a cybercafe in Berlin.

Source: www.globaltvedmonton.com/suspected+killer+luka+magnotta+arrested+in+germany/6442653682/story.html


June 5, 2012 - Two packages containing a "note" and body parts arrive at two Vancouver schools.

Source: http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/article/738419--montreal-police-say-foot-found-on-street-today


June 6, 2012 - LRM does not object to extradition, and will likely be back in Canada to face trial by the end of June.

Source: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/07/luka-rocco-meganotta-extradition-likely-by-end-of-june-german-prosecutors-say/

Hamsterdance
06-07-2012, 01:54 PM
I agree with you, Wondergirl; as a former criminal prosecutor (aka District Attorney), and by way of analogy, having prosecuted a number of revolting people for possessing and downloading online child pornography (CP), I know from research and studies that without people to consume such stuff online, there is little market for this crime. This crime is perpetuated by the market and demand that exists for it, which in turn fuels more production of online CP. Many CP sites require payment to enter, and these funds are simply channelled back into CP productions and producer's pockets. Accordingly, in Australia (the jurisdiction I am most familiar with) and many other Western states, it is a crime to upload AND download online CP.

In my view, for the reasons mentioned above, there is little if any difference between online CP and snuff films, hence snuff films are illegal and the making available of them ought to be too (if it is not already?).

In relation to the post to which you were replying (sorry for not requoting - still navigating my use of this site), regarding the suggestion that the video in question does not show a murder taking place, I have two points to make:

Firstly, LE has come out and confirmed that a longer, unedited version of the film which was posted online was obtained by LE in which the victim's "chilling screams" could be heard and acts of cannibalism were shown. These two things were not depicted in the video that was circulating on the net, perhaps explaining why many people have asserted there was no murder depicted. Of course, whilst screams alone do not a murder make, the circumstantial evidence of murder being committed on film is overwhelming.

Secondly, I have seen a number of people comment on this and other forums that the film does not show a murder taking place and I am curious to what people think would convince them of a murder taking place? Do we need to see a struggle? Hear screams? From the video it did appear that the victim was either drugged or dead by the time he was stabbed. However, a criminal case is rarely built around one piece of evidence alone, but rather 'cobbled together' from bits and pieces of evidence which, taken as a whole, construct the prosecution case. Moreover, the prosecutors in this case are already at an enormous advantage having such strong video evidence - circumstantial at worst; direct at best - in their evidence cache from the start. In addition, they have actions consistent with consciousness of guilt (LRM fleeing the country 1-2 days after the alleged crime and evading LEA; wearing a wig and using aliases in the process) and they also have a picture of the suspect in the film in question that very closely resembles many other pictures of the suspect which had been uploaded to the internet under LRM-associated aliases (the picture of LRM in one of the animal torture videos that he allegedly posted is almost identical to the frame shot from the murder video - same hair (wig?), same facial profile, and also wearing a hoodie...

Lastly, the argument that we should be allowed to decide for ourselves what we watch and don't watch and that all censorship is bad fails to take account of the fact that the freedoms of speech, expression, association etc, are not limitless; they must necessarily be restricted to the extent that my exercise of my rights does not impinge upon other rights, eg I cannot claim the right to free speech where my speech incites race hate violence, for eg. I agree that limits ought to be placed on what we can consume, technologically-speaking, but I also am very aware of the slippery slope that censorship can become, and of course there are attendant dangers with it. But the same argument was made many years ago in relation to vehicle seat-belts (ie that making it compulsory to wear them in Australia was impinging on one's individual right to make decisions about what one does), and yet most people today are glad that by enforcing the public to wear seatbelts, that protects not only the wearer but others in the seatbelt-wearer's vicinity too, should they have an accident.

WHOA - that was a long post! :)

And very well written. Thank-you and WELCOME!!
:welcome:

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 01:54 PM
I have seen photos of him with a cross.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mpOOG1aGvyM/T85QZo_Y73I/AAAAAAAAONs/cgg2cAGVHXE/s1600/Luka+Magnotta.JPG


Which I thought was odd considering Newman, IMO, is a Jewish name. I also remember reading reference to Satanism but sorry don't have a link and honestly there has been so much posted about him that hard to know what's true or fake.

IDK about Newman being a Jewish name. There is a Cardinal Newman (Catholic) HS in FL. I have several friends who went there.

But Paul Newman was half Jewish, so maybe it's like Miller, Green, Stone etc.

Interesting point though, given the role religion sometimes plays in the lives of the creepier killers. Wonder what we could find out about that?

james62
06-07-2012, 01:55 PM
Sorry to requote myself.

If the posts on ripoffreport and http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-rep...es-c78766.html (found by james62) are by Luka Magnotta could these be used as evidence against him? If they are proven to be him by IP address or other means.

These posts were on the day of the murder. The reply comment on the ripoffreport was on the 25th May by Tony Luciforia also says "future serial killer" Surely if these are proven to be by him by LE, then this can be used as evidence.

I'm hoping LE is aware of these posts, as i'm sure they are.

My thoughts exactly dan.

Generally I think LE will have their internet forensics dept who will scour the net and get everything, but I wonder... I think these posts are pretty significant. It reinforces the idea of premeditation.

musician
06-07-2012, 01:56 PM
Never seen his sleepwalking mentioned yet ...

http://estrip.org/articles/read/lukamagnotta/49153/Sleep-Walking.html

I know - weird, huh? I would not be surprised if when this matter goes to trial, his defence team try using this as evidence he would sleepwalk and not be conscious at the time of what he was doing. But that would be very difficult to reconcile with the fact he then posted the body parts (presumably he had to be conscious when doing that).

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 01:58 PM
On the estrip.org site...
while a plagiarized post was found....i wouldnt completely dismiss everything written as false...i think in many of his ramblings, there is a bit of truth mixed in with fantasy...
obviously, the dude has issues and many of the posts reveal issues or reveal things that could cause issues....

im sure he is a criminologists dream come true.....

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 01:59 PM
and another snip:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/07/magnotta-linked-to-hollywood-sign-body-parts

:rocker:

musician
06-07-2012, 02:00 PM
My thoughts exactly dan.

Generally I think LE will have their internet forensics dept who will scour the net and get everything, but I wonder... I think these posts are pretty significant. It reinforces the idea of premeditation.

Indeed it does suggest premeditation. The flipside is that it could also be used as part of his defence - ie that he should be found "not guilty by reason of mental impairment" at the time - and that these posts showed he himself thought he was mentally ill.

As to whether such electronic material can be used in evidence, that will depend on 1) whether it is relevant to a fact in dispute; and 2) whether it is admissible. I would say that the large portion of this case will be proven by adducing electronic evidence.

DD_bwest
06-07-2012, 02:01 PM
pure conjecture here.. but someone posted this earlier

http://estrip.org/author/list_articles/lukamagnotta

the last post referring to scientology, while its not confirmed but something about it did cross my mind..

unless im mistaken, im pretty sure scientology doesnt believe in medication for psychiatric conditions etc.. The post was made july, 2009..

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 02:05 PM
On the estrip.org site...
while a plagiarized post was found....i wouldnt completely dismiss everything written as false...i think in many of his ramblings, there is a bit of truth mixed in with fantasy...
obviously, the dude has issues and many of the posts reveal issues or reveal things that could cause issues....

im sure he is a criminologists dream come true.....

Another good point!

Just because he plagiarized posts, does NOT mean they weren't subjects pertaining to him or his current interests/concerns.

Still worth looking at those posts and the subject matter as pertains to LM. :)

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 02:05 PM
IDK about Newman being a Jewish name. There is a Cardinal Newman (Catholic) HS in FL. I have several friends who went there.

But Paul Newman was half Jewish, so maybe it's like Miller, Green, Stone etc.

Interesting point though, given the role religion sometimes plays in the lives of the creepier killers. Wonder what we could find out about that?

Yes, I think you are correct. It was my opinion only that it was a Jewish name. All the Newmans I know are Jewish but there may be other religions using the name as you pointed out.

I don't know if it's even relevant at this point.

Jezbel
06-07-2012, 02:06 PM
Like Leiby Kletzky's mum, I hope Jun's mother doesn't learn the full extent of her son's death. I don't know you would function knowing that that child you carried and raised was treated in such a horrendous manner and millions of people across the world watched it.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/06/02/hi-junlin-852-8col.jpg R.I.P

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 02:06 PM
I think "fact" is a little bit better with the pre-murder stuff (up to May 24). Who else would be uploading Luka Magnotta videos except him? After the murder video became public, stuff just flies off the rails with tons of trolls trying to emulate him.I've got a very weird feeling about all this. We know that animal rights groups have been hounding him for years, and well before July 2011 when, on the one true website we know he created, he writes extensively about people pretending to be him on the internet and cyber-stalking. We already know animal rights groups have freely admitted to using the internet to pose as him.

I think there's a WHOLE lot more going on behind the scenes, and has been since he was accused of being responsible for the kitten incident.

musician
06-07-2012, 02:08 PM
I've been thinking about that too alot. IMO this is his grand finale BUT we havent seen all of his "work" yet. To get the worlds attention, and not just be one of all serial killers (I know he's just a suspect of ONE murder so far). So I'm scared we only seen a little so far... and little by little we're going to be able to see the whole picture of this sick sick mind.

I have been similarly curious as to why, if this is not his first murder, why he didn't refer to his previous crimes online in his gazillion web posts about himself. But I have a very strong inkling that he did in fact commit similar crimes before and was disappointed about the lack of media interest in them/lack of links to him, so he made sure to make Jun Lin's horrific murder very much publicized. And this would also fit with why he started linking himself to Karla Homolka; because he wanted to be known as infamous and he wanted people/LE to start linking him with serial killer crimes. Just a theory.

SurfieTX
06-07-2012, 02:09 PM
When was the review posted about him seeming like a 'wet fish' in regard to his escorting/prostitution?

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 02:10 PM
I had a thought yesterday regarding Justin's head still being missing.

Might he have sent it airpost to Queen Elizabeth? I know it sounds cray cray, but perhaps he had hoped it would arrive during the Jubilee? Talk about "Look at Me".

Has he ever posted anything about the Queen or Royals?

Sorry if this is too far off from what everyone else is speculating.

SurfieTX
06-07-2012, 02:11 PM
I have been similarly curious as to why, if this is not his first murder, why he didn't refer to his previous crimes online in his gazillion web posts about himself. But I have a very strong inkling that he did in fact commit similar crimes before and was disappointed about the lack of media interest in them/lack of links to him, so he made sure to make Jun Lin's horrific murder very much publicized. And this would also fit with why he started linking himself to Karla Homolka; because he wanted to be known as infamous and he wanted people/LE to start linking him with serial killer crimes. Just a theory.

I was just thinking that - If he is responsible for the Hollywood murder, I suspect he thought that would make him front page news, but alas, it really didn't, so he had to up the ante.

thedissent
06-07-2012, 02:13 PM
I've got a very weird feeling about all this. We know that animal rights groups have been hounding him for years, and well before July 2011 when, on the one true website we know he created, he writes extensively about people pretending to be him on the internet and cyber-stalking. We already know animal rights groups have freely admitted to using the internet to pose as him.

I think there's a WHOLE lot more going on behind the scenes, and has been since he was accused of being responsible for the kitten incident.

What do mean?

Who would have prior knowledge of the murder pre-May 15, before the murder took place, other than the murderer (ie LRM) and any accomplice?

As badly as Animal Rights activists wanted this guy, I can't see them creating YouTube accounts to accuse him of being a "cannibal serial killer".

Plus, there is plenty of evidence independent of the Internet that LRM did this crime-- the evidence found in the apartment, video surveillance from his apartment / Canada Post. There will be more evidence that we don't even know about yet.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 02:17 PM
That "Beavis Butthead" character is claiming that he thinks LM's "statement" will be in about 24 hours on Friday. This person keeps making me raise an eyebrow with the info he posts. I'm sure he's just making stuff up, but still...it's strange.

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=watch

udar55
06-07-2012, 02:18 PM
I had a thought yesterday regarding Justin's head still being missing.

Might he have sent it airpost to Queen Elizabeth? I know it sounds cray cray, but perhaps he had hoped it would arrive during the Jubilee? Talk about "Look at Me".

Has he ever posted anything about the Queen or Royals?

Sorry if this is too far off from what everyone else is speculating.
Someone earlier in this thread theorized it may be on its way to The Sun paper in the UK. They did lots of coverage of him regaring the kitten videos. And he sent the journalist a threatening email (that referenced killing humans next) after their face-to-face interview in December 2011. I think that might be a safe bet on its destination.

GroovyHermit
06-07-2012, 02:19 PM
the fingernail post looks like a plagarism http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt90930.html

Quite possible that all 44 posts on that estrip blog are " copy-paste "

But still it's offering us a view into his mind...

Mwitah
06-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Great find. There was a homicide in Tucson, Az that I have been trying to find out some more information about - January 6th/12. Here is a MSM link:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/decapitated-body-found-west-of-tucson/article_6a657250-3898-11e1-91b4-001871e3ce6c.html

Here are some other places I found discussing the Tucson decapitation. Apparently the hands and feet were cut off as well. The feet were buried nearby?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/01/06/20120106tucson-decapitated-body-along-road.html

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/16481400/west-side-residents-concerned-frightened-about-decapitation

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/136822898.html

http://www.southwestbordersheriffs.com/2012/01/decapitated-body-discovered-west-of.html

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/body-found-near-marana-was-decapitated-sheriffs-say/


Investigators say the severed head, hands and feet found in a Hollywood Hills neighborhood this week likely do not belong to a body found in Pima County that was missing those body parts, although they aren't positive.

On Friday, January 6, Pima County Sheriff's Department deputies discovered a body in Western Pima County that was missing its head, hands and feet.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/02/24/20120224torso-found-arizona-not-related-california-case.html

This last article says DNA was compared between the CA & AZ case and they werent' related. I hate to think of how many cases there are out there of people cutting off heads, hands and feet.

musician
06-07-2012, 02:21 PM
I was just thinking that - If he is responsible for the Hollywood murder, I suspect he thought that would make him front page news, but alas, it really didn't, so he had to up the ante.
Upping the ante indeed. Precisely - you said it much more succinctly than I did! Thanks!

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 02:21 PM
That "Beavis Butthead" character is claiming that he thinks LM's "statement" will be in about 24 hours on Friday. This person keeps making me raise an eyebrow with the info he posts. I'm sure he's just making stuff up, but still...it's strange.

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=watch

That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Yes, I think you are correct. It was my opinion only that it was a Jewish name. All the Newmans I know are Jewish but there may be other religions using the name as you pointed out.

I don't know if it's even relevant at this point.

Well, I think it might be. :) You know, if he was raised in a strict, fundamentalist home of whatever religion, he may have experienced guilt or shame for his sexuality. He may have even been physically abused (spare the rod....).

Please, nobody misunderstand my reasoning here. I think that religion and faith are wonderful things and I have seen the positive effects they have had in people's lives.

But I also know that religious extremism in any form can be dangerous and arguable responsible for creating some pretty notorious socio/psychopaths.

It's a valid thing to look into as far as sleuthing LM. What values was he raised with? How did they shape his emotional growth? Does he leave clues referencing religion that may point to other crimes?

musician
06-07-2012, 02:25 PM
That "Beavis Butthead" character is claiming that he thinks LM's "statement" will be in about 24 hours on Friday. This person keeps making me raise an eyebrow with the info he posts. I'm sure he's just making stuff up, but still...it's strange.

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=watch
It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.

jaycee
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Someone earlier in this thread theorized it may be on its way to The Sun paper in the UK. They did lots of coverage of him regaring the kitten videos. And he sent the journalist a threatening email (that referenced killing humans next) after their face-to-face interview in December 2011. I think that might be a safe bet on its destination.That would be a good bet. I too have been thinking overseas but if I had a head to send and I wanted attention, I'd send it to Queen Elizabeth.

SaMy
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Well, I think it might be. :) You know, if he was raised in a strict, fundamentalist home of whatever religion, he may have experienced guilt or shame for his sexuality. He may have even been physically abused (spare the rod....).

Please, nobody misunderstand my reasoning here. I think that religion and faith are wonderful things and I have seen the positive effects they have had in people's lives.

But I also know that religious extremism in any form can be dangerous and arguable responsible for creating some pretty notorious socio/psychopaths.

It's a valid thing to look into as far as sleuthing LM. What values was he raised with? How did they shape his emotional growth? Does he leave clues referencing religion that may point to other crimes?

FWIW his brother (who's last name is also Newman) lists his religion as Christian on his Facebook account.

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.

Wow, I didn't even think of that :what:

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
You know, I might be changing my mind about the Hollywood murder (Medellin).

I was wondering- if he has done this before, why only now does he create such a big buzz about it? (the pre-video hype, the video, the pre-murder post which I believe to be him - see post 670 p.27) and the escape... so carefully staged?

Maybe the Hollywood killing was to see if he could actually do it. 'Practising' on a homeless man before getting ready for his big day. I don't think he is brave, I think he is actually quite scared right now in prison, therefore maybe he needed to prove to himself that he could do it, a rehearsal?

The Hollywood victim (found Jan 18/12) was not a homeless man, but was identified as Hervey Medellin. The Tuscon AZ victim (found Jan 6/12) has never been identified. so could possibly be the "homeless man". The AZ vic was killed prior to Hervey, so you could be right re the practice run.

Very interesting find re the Eric C. Newman traffic violation in Payson AZ. It has a pop. of a little over 15000, so not much there, but there is an airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payson,_Arizona

According to Hervey Medellin's b/f roomie, Hervey said he was going to Mexico. As he was retired from the airlines, he may have had free or low-priced airfare. Presumably Hervey didn't leave in a vehicle, so am wondering if he possibly flew into Payson enroute to Mexico (or just told his roomie he was going to Mexico, as there have been reports of a love triangle. Did he just tell his roomie he was going to Mexico, but made arrangements for a rendezvous somewhere in AZ)?

All spec at this point, but i think it is worthy of consideration.

deanna82437
06-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Tidbit: Badpuppy which is a major adult media company refuses to comment on Magnotta or confirm he did any work for them.

Catching up so apologize if previously posted. He's had that cross on in many of his photos. I wondered about it as well. A few were with a plain chain, but most with the cross.

Sorry, wrong quote. Question was about LRM wearing a necklace with a cross.

musician
06-07-2012, 02:28 PM
That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.
PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 02:32 PM
What do mean?

Who would have prior knowledge of the murder pre-May 15, before the murder took place, other than the murderer (ie LRM) and any accomplice?

As badly as Animal Rights activists wanted this guy, I can't see them creating YouTube accounts to accuse him of being a "cannibal serial killer".

Plus, there is plenty of evidence independent of the Internet that LRM did this crime-- the evidence found in the apartment, video surveillance from his apartment / Canada Post. There will be more evidence that we don't even know about yet.I didn't say he didn't do it. Not sure how you got that from my post.

dallydilly
06-07-2012, 02:32 PM
Someone earlier in this thread theorized it may be on its way to The Sun paper in the UK. They did lots of coverage of him regaring the kitten videos. And he sent the journalist a threatening email (that referenced killing humans next) after their face-to-face interview in December 2011. I think that might be a safe bet on its destination.

Twas me, hope I'm wrong, mind I just want it found for the sake of Jun Lin's family.

Chaslene
06-07-2012, 02:33 PM
That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

I saw that comment with my own eyes! Gone? My friend even saw it on there. So if Magnotta does make that statement LE needs to pay Butthead a visit ASAP!

MaryAnn
06-07-2012, 02:35 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:35 PM
PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

He would have to have a pretty dumb attorney to allow that to happen but there are plenty of stupid lawyers out there so anything is possible.

Chaslene
06-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Personally I think the head is going either to The Sun (read the mail he sent them before) or Jun's family in China...

bodhi93
06-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Just had thought... If LRM is responsible for the Hollywood murder of HM (and I'm not saying he is... just speculating), he placed HM's head under the "HOLLYWOOD" sign... do we have anything here in Canada that would be well known around the world? CN tower... one of his pictures (not sure if it was real), looked like it was taken downtown Toronto by the Roger's Centre (or whatever they call the skydome)... is there anything in Montreal? since it doesn't sound like he left the city between the murder and his flight... it's been so long, the only part I really remember is the Jardin Botanique...

SurfieTX
06-07-2012, 02:37 PM
It has been postulated before by another poster that his trigger was turning 30. I honestly think it could be that simple. His only real identity was that of a model, escort, young 'hot' male. After 30, that persona is a little harder to perpetuate (looks like he was starting to lose his hair as well).

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 02:37 PM
I saw that comment with my own eyes! Gone? My friend even saw it on there. So if Magnotta does make that statement LE needs to pay Butthead a visit ASAP!

Apologies, the comment seems to still be on the actual video itself still but it's no longer listed on his channel activity page.

x_files
06-07-2012, 02:37 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

Doubt he can be rehabbed.

Winnts
06-07-2012, 02:37 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I too think there was a definate mental illness of some sort but what I'm not sure without more facts. Even the fact that after this murders he flies to Paris, with his cell phone on, then in days to come is sitting at an interent cafe for hours at time, shows a person who is not in the real word. Any sane minded criminal trying to evade the law does not carry out those actions. It was almost as if he was in a manic state or perhaps it is schizophrenia. But shizo's are usually paranoid they will get caught, he just seemed clueless to it all (or disorganized, scattered).

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:38 PM
I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.
That is probably true and I certainly would not advocate that he be released but even John Hinkley Jr., who shot President Reagan, and who by all accounts was completely delusional and batshit crazy at the time, is now married, takes unsupervised leaves from his hospital and may very well soon be released completely, for all intents and purposes he has been rehabilitated and is now a normal functioning person.

Lera213
06-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Thinking out of the box a little. Is it possible that LM somewhere in the deep web met up with someone who was also a fan of the convicted murder (forgot name) in Arizona? They met up there, to maybe go visit him, or planned to murder someone to pay homage to him, and in LA that murder was to pay homage maybe to another killer there. Could that person have been the one that mailed out the parts that showed up at the school?

I also think that arrest report in AZ that the poster (forgot name) found should probably send that to the AZ police handling that homicide and LA and Canada investigators on the case.

I also want to apologize for any comments that seemed way off with me. I tend to get emotional with cases these days, and i just blurt out stuff that is just way out in left field at times. Hard to explain, no I do not have any mental issues. LOL It may read like that at times but I don't. I'm dealing with Adrenal issues so hormones are out of whack.

musician
06-07-2012, 02:38 PM
It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.


After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I agree that a cluey defence lawyer would run an insanity defence, but just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean they can run an insanity defence. Have to prove he didn't know right from wrong. His flight from the country post commission of the crime is consciousness of guilt, meaning he knew he'd done wrong. He clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but I doubt that would get him off the hook. I personally think he knew exactly what he was doing and his posts prior to the crime about whether or not he is a psychopath were a deliberate but naive attempt to create an insanity defence down the track, should he be caught (which it seems he wanted to be). And hence, he should be found guilty of murder and sent to a prison (there is no cure for NPD/psychopaths etc) where he will be served his just desserts, irrespective of whether or not he gets 25 years from the judge or less... My firm beliefs in "innocent until proven guilty" are being sorely tested in this building case.

dallydilly
06-07-2012, 02:39 PM
Apologies if already posted.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/07/a-photographers-encounter-with-luka-rocco-magnotta/

Chaslene
06-07-2012, 02:39 PM
Apologies, the comment seems to still be on the actual video itself still but it's no longer listed on his channel activity page.

Phew, good! Thought I from now on need to screen shoot every site I'm on. lol

Lera213
06-07-2012, 02:39 PM
That "Beavis Butthead" character is claiming that he thinks LM's "statement" will be in about 24 hours on Friday. This person keeps making me raise an eyebrow with the info he posts. I'm sure he's just making stuff up, but still...it's strange.

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=watch
I'm having hinky about this too. If I think a little about it, the screen name. Beavis Butthead, that is two cartoon MTV characters Beavis and Butthead. This is why my hinky is on to possibily LM found a like minded friend in the deep web. *shrugs*

Mr.Wendell
06-07-2012, 02:40 PM
Hey everyone, first I want to tell you all what an incredible job you've been doing. I've been lurking since the beginning of the last locked thread (can't believe I've read every page! :eek:). Like most of you, the crazy levels of this case have piqued my interest and I wanted to bring a couple things to light I think should be looked at more closely.

1st, this link from Dutchie below corresponds with Mellomel's earlier CL link in Montrea (http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/pet/3028025108.html)l. Both posts claim to have family owned pet shops and are looking for small animals. That would also put LM in Arizona - apparently with someone else as he mentions "we" - in late December right around the time of the unsolved murder. The similarities are too close IMO.

There are 8 total posts from cutelittlenemo1 on the Animal Lovers site, but you have to register to access them.


Here a posting from cutelittlenemo1 (vladimir Romanov) asking for small animals. In Arizona. December 2011.
http://www.animalloversweb.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1324515757/ -

2nd - the post on ripoffreport.com (http://www.ripoffreport.com/modeling-talent-agencies/luka-magnotta-bisexu/luka-magnotta-bisexual-porn-ac-a0028.htm) has an address which turns out to be the house Marylin Monroe was found dead in. There's also a phone # leading to a landline in Brooklyn.

I haven't seen the video, nor will I ever, but I do believe there's more to this story than we know so far.

x_files
06-07-2012, 02:40 PM
PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

It crossed my mind. Maybe, someone in Berlin favors him or his attorney is allowing him internet time via his laptop? It happened before.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 02:40 PM
PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

I've wondered this too. Mainly because BB goes in between defending LM and condemning him...much like LM has done online. He even referred to LM just a few hours ago as the "grieving boyfriend" :sick:

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 02:40 PM
I've got a very weird feeling about all this. We know that animal rights groups have been hounding him for years, and well before July 2011 when, on the one true website we know he created, he writes extensively about people pretending to be him on the internet and cyber-stalking. We already know animal rights groups have freely admitted to using the internet to pose as him.

I think there's a WHOLE lot more going on behind the scenes, and has been since he was accused of being responsible for the kitten incident.

yup....a very good and valid point and one im sure will be used in his defense...

"see I TOLD YOU PEOPLE WERE POSING AS ME AND FRAMING ME"....

i see it now......

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:41 PM
I too think there was a definate mental illness of some sort but what I'm not sure without more facts. Even the fact that after this murders he flies to Paris, with his cell phone on, then in days to come is sitting at an interent cafe for hours at time, shows a person who is not in the real word. Any sane minded criminal trying to evade the law does not carry out those actions. It was almost as if he was in a manic state or perhaps it is schizophrenia. But shizo's are usually paranoid they will get caught, he just seemed clueless to it all (or disorganized, scattered).

I agree, his actions after the murder do not indicate a sane mentally healthy individual, his mugshot even looks like someone suffering from mental torture IMO. I agree we need more facts to be certain and I am sure those involved will get to the bottom of it but for purposes of discussion here I thought I would just throw that possibility out even though I knew I might get my head taken off or it lol.

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:43 PM
yup....a very good and valid point and one im sure will be used in his defense...

"see I TOLD YOU PEOPLE WERE POSING AS ME AND FRAMING ME"....

i see it now......

Im open to anything at this point. The bad part about all of this is, as a friend from Canada has informed me, Canada goes in to media blackout on cases like this, there will be no coverage, the case will be behind closed doors it will be conducted in French, and at best we will get sketches from an artist and some reports of who testified on what day but not what they testified to. This is not the US and it certainly is not Florida, I have been told the minute Luka sets foot in Canada the media blackout will begin.

Lera213
06-07-2012, 02:43 PM
It is possible I suppose that someone thinks that another person is involved with this...could some of the post of BB be someone trying to draw him out? could a cyber investigation be going on to cast a net, state a little something about the video, to see who bites?

I just don't know anymore.

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 02:45 PM
It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.

Methinks BB reads the posts on WS. ;)

FootballMom
06-07-2012, 02:46 PM
Morning All - glad to see the thread is back. Still have lots of catching up to do so please forgive if this has already been posted. It does contain some interesting leads for historical timeline investigations:

Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington, who recalled Thursday, “He might have been the creepiest person I ever interviewed.”

“You spend 10 seconds with him and you easily come to the conclusion it’s all in his own head and all for attention,” Warmington said on Thursday.

One month before Homolka’s release from prison, Magnotta was convicted on a number of fraud charges in Toronto under his birth name—Eric Clinton Newman. He was sentenced to a nine-month conditional term with nightly curfew, which he served at his mother’s home in Peterborough.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/01/magnotta-and-homolka-anatomy-of-a-rumour/

thedissent
06-07-2012, 02:48 PM
I didn't say he didn't do it. Not sure how you got that from my post.

No, no. I didn't take away from your post that you didn't think LRM did it.

I was just wondering about what you were implying from your post.

I agree that there is a lot of trolling / emulation in this case. LRM's army of sockpuppets does not make it any easier.

Lera213
06-07-2012, 02:49 PM
if the head was sent to his mother, would she notify police or dispose of it?

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:51 PM
I agree that a cluey defence lawyer would run an insanity defence, but just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean they can run an insanity defence. Have to prove he didn't know right from wrong. His flight from the country post commission of the crime is consciousness of guilt, meaning he knew he'd done wrong. He clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but I doubt that would get him off the hook. I personally think he knew exactly what he was doing and his posts prior to the crime about whether or not he is a psychopath were a deliberate but naive attempt to create an insanity defence down the track, should he be caught (which it seems he wanted to be). And hence, he should be found guilty of murder and sent to a prison (there is no cure for NPD/psychopaths etc) where he will be served his just desserts, irrespective of whether or not he gets 25 years from the judge or less... My firm beliefs in "innocent until proven guilty" are being sorely tested in this building case.

Well I am an American so I admittedly do not know the legal requirements for an insanity defense, here they are pretty much as you suggest, you have to show they didnt understand right from wrong, but there have been cases where exceptions to that have been made. Also, at the time of the crime one could be insane and shortly thereafter not so much so, since schizophrenia doesnt always effect a person and can come in cycles.

This will of course be something the lawyers will have to hash out I only throw it out there for purposes of discussion and without knowing exactly how the Canadian legal system works I cant really speak with any authority on that matter, but from the perspective of the US legal system I think there is enough there that a judge would consider long and hard the possibility of allowing an insanity defense in this case.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 02:52 PM
It is possible I suppose that someone thinks that another person is involved with this...could some of the post of BB be someone trying to draw him out? could a cyber investigation be going on to cast a net, state a little something about the video, to see who bites?

I just don't know anymore.

i personally wouldnt put anything past intel groups...or sting ops

but remember....LM is not alone in the world of crazy....there are lots more like him out there....we just dont see them or hear about them....they live amongst us and even function around us....

the BB drama is certainly weird (for lack of better word).....

not_my_kids
06-07-2012, 02:52 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting from my phone, so catching up is kinda hard. Something that I was wondering about last night ... Even though I feel LRM planned the murder itself, I don't know about the mailing of the body parts. Was it an afterthought, was it part of the plot, or was it the reason he killed Jun?

elepher50
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Here are some other places I found discussing the Tucson decapitation. Apparently the hands and feet were cut off as well. The feet were buried nearby?


This last article says DNA was compared between the CA & AZ case and they werent' related. I hate to think of how many cases there are out there of people cutting off heads, hands and feet.

Respectfully snipped by me for space considerations:

I was trying to find if the man in Tucson had ever been identified but couldn't find anything. From what I have read the drug cartels have been busy leaving "messages" by decapitating persons who get in their way.

Jezbel
06-07-2012, 02:55 PM
I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.

Agreed! If he is found mentally ill, I don't think there is a chance of him being rehabilitated, some people are just to sick and twisted. Whichever place he ends up, I hope it's for life.


After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

Pax, I am not sure of I would say he is schizoaffective, I would think there is definitely more. The are two main sub types of schizoaffective which are 1) Depressive sub type and 2) bipolar sub type.

I have some family members who have been diagnosed bipolar and even in their most manic states while off medication have never ever said or done anything remotely so sinister. I also have a cousin who was diagnosed schizoaffective. He has been off his meds a few times, but has never been angry or violent, in anyway while off them. At one point they were giving him too much of his meds and it made him dopey and sleepy. He is now finally on the right dosage and honestly it's almost like he is his old self again.

Though I know these situations do not hold true for every person diagnosed, this is just my personal experience with the disorders and thought I would share.

FootballMom
06-07-2012, 02:56 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

hhhmmm... great minds think alike, eh? ;)

SurfieTX
06-07-2012, 02:56 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting from my phone, so catching up is kinda hard. Something that I was wondering about last night ... Even though I feel LRM planned the murder itself, I don't know about the mailing of the body parts. Was it an afterthought, was it part of the plot, or was it the reason he killed Jun?

IMO, he killed Jun to film it, upload it to the internet, and to mail body parts. Attention.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Well I am an American so I admittedly do not know the legal requirements for an insanity defense, here they are pretty much as you suggest, you have to show they didnt understand right from wrong, but there have been cases where exceptions to that have been made. Also, at the time of the crime one could be insane and shortly thereafter not so much so, since schizophrenia doesnt always effect a person and can come in cycles.



add to that...are they on meds? on meds, they can function like you or me. usually they take their meds, feel great and normal and all that, then decide to go off them......then all hell breaks lose.

my very first boyfriend was diagnosed [via the courts due to a horrible crime he committed] as bi-polar & schizophrenic (i didn't know any of it until it was too late) and oh the stories i could tell......but when he was on his meds......totally normal functioning person and absolutely knew right from wrong...off his meds, completely different story...right or wrong didnt matter nor did behaviors and so on.....

deanna82437
06-07-2012, 02:57 PM
That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

Still there. It's on page 3 as of a few minutes ago.

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Agreed! If he is found mentally ill, I don't think there is a chance of him being rehabilitated, some people are just to sick and twisted. Whichever place he ends up, I hope it's for life.



Pax, I am not sure of I would say he is schizoaffective, I would think there is definitely more. The are two main sub types of schizoaffective which are 1) Depressive sub type and 2) bipolar sub type.

I have some family members who have been diagnosed bipolar and even in their most manic states while off medication have never ever said or done anything remotely so sinister. I also have a cousin who was diagnosed schizoaffective. He has been off his meds a few times, but has never been angry or violent, in anyway while off them. At one point they were giving him too much of his meds and it made him dopey and sleepy. He is now finally on the right dosage and honestly it's almost like he is his old self again.

Though I know these situations do not hold true for every person diagnosed, this is just my personal experience with the disorders and thought I would share.
Appreciate you sharing, sharing is caring. =)


Can I get a link to the BB drama, Im a sucker for punishment and all.

pippirose
06-07-2012, 02:58 PM
I have no idea why. There was a post here last night (IIRC) that said Justin may have attended one of the schools targeted but even he did, why send the package to BC. JT lives and works in Montreal.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=170093&Language=E

Handsome married guy with kids.

In April he boxed for a charity cause against one of his political opponents but it was for charity.

He's a former model? I honestly don't see a connection but I'll keep digging. Probably a waste of time though. lo


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Trudeaujpg.jpg/220px-Trudeaujpg.jpg


fwiw....I adore him. *swoon* LOL


Justin's former friend, also a teacher, taught at St. George's school and was arrested for involvement in a child-porn ring on Facebook.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Former+George+School+teacher+pleads+guilty+child+p orn+charges/6374185/story.html

Karmady
06-07-2012, 02:59 PM
The Hollywood victim (found Jan 18/12) was not a homeless man, but was identified as Hervey Medellin. The Tuscon AZ victim (found Jan 6/12) has never been identified. so could possibly be the "homeless man". The AZ vic was killed prior to Hervey, so you could be right re the practice run.

Very interesting find re the Eric C. Newman traffic violation in Payson AZ. It has a pop. of a little over 15000, so not much there, but there is an airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payson,_Arizona

According to Hervey Medellin's b/f roomie, Hervey said he was going to Mexico. As he was retired from the airlines, he may have had free or low-priced airfare. Presumably Hervey didn't leave in a vehicle, so am wondering if he possibly flew into Payson enroute to Mexico (or just told his roomie he was going to Mexico, as there have been reports of a love triangle. Did he just tell his roomie he was going to Mexico, but made arrangements for a rendezvous somewhere in AZ)?

All spec at this point, but i think it is worthy of consideration.

Very few people would fly into Payson, but not impossible. However, practically everyone I know who lives in AZ has a ticket from Star Valley. It's a notorious speed trap. I'm guessing he claimed not to have his license on him. Which is why he was able to use the Newman name and have no dob on the docket entry. Since it is just a speed trap, so long as he wasn't doing anything to seriously bad, the officer would have just let him go with a ticket. You can prove your license and insurance in court or mail proof in (at least the insurance, not sure about the license) later. Note that he gave his address as Ventura CA. Also, that route is the back way to Phoenix from Tucson. Most people, especially if they were headed to PHX/LA from Tucson would take I10.

eta: Great find! I think that could very easily be him.

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:00 PM
Im open to anything at this point. The bad part about all of this is, as a friend from Canada has informed me, Canada goes in to media blackout on cases like this, there will be no coverage, the case will be behind closed doors it will be conducted in French, and at best we will get sketches from an artist and some reports of who testified on what day but not what they testified to. This is not the US and it certainly is not Florida, I have been told the minute Luka sets foot in Canada the media blackout will begin.

Not sure who told you this. Yes there will be gag orders in place and witnesses will not be able to discuss anything before and during the trial. That includes attorneys. Media will be allowed in the courtroom. As a matter of fact there was an article indicating what courtroom the trial will most likely take place and it mentioned the media. Again, this is NOT the first high profile case in this country. It won't be on television but we will see tweets from the courtroom. We will have sketch artists and not actual photos.

Also, it is against the law for jurors to discuss anything about the case AFTER a verdict is reached.

After the trial, videos, transcripts and anything else can be released to the public. No evidence presented at trial will be shown to the public unless one decides to attend.

joe2857
06-07-2012, 03:02 PM
I'm having hinky about this too. If I think a little about it, the screen name. Beavis Butthead, that is two cartoon MTV characters Beavis and Butthead. This is why my hinky is on to possibily LM found a like minded friend in the deep web. *shrugs*

This concerned me too because in one of the suspicious posts on DataLounge that I mentioned in my earlier post (and that is likely to have been posted by Beavis Butthead), the poster claims that Magnotta created the Beavis Butthead YouTube account but that others have continued posting on it (suggesting that maybe Magnotta created the account but gave a friend or accomplice access to it). This is also the same DataLounge poster who provided alleged details of how Magnotta and the victim met and how the murder was committed that only an accomplice or witness would have. And posted a picture of a package ready to be mailed (an obvious allusion to the mailing of the body parts). Although that image is a close-up of the package, so it's hard to make out the background, it looks like the walls in the background might be the same shade of pale green that I've seen in the videos of Magnotta's apartment.

Having said all of this, it doesn't seem likely that a real accomplice would post all of this information so brazenly on public forums, especially since the Beavis Butthead account has already been mentioned in the media. And I would imagine that LE has already looked into the Beavis Butthead account. So it may just be a troll. But if that's the case, it's one very deranged troll.

FootballMom
06-07-2012, 03:02 PM
Respectfully snipped:

Pax, I am not sure of I would say he is schizoaffective, I would think there is definitely more. The are two main sub types of schizoaffective which are 1) Depressive sub type and 2) bipolar sub type.

I have some family members who have been diagnosed bipolar and even in their most manic states while off medication have never ever said or done anything remotely so sinister. I also have a cousin who was diagnosed schizoaffective. He has been off his meds a few times, but has never been angry or violent, in anyway while off them. At one point they were giving him too much of his meds and it made him dopey and sleepy. He is now finally on the right dosage and honestly it's almost like he is his old self again.

Though I know these situations do not hold true for every person diagnosed, this is just my personal experience with the disorders and thought I would share.

Pax and I were discussing this last night. I would not be at all surprised to learn LM is schizoaffective/bipolar. <modsnip>
There are many degrees of all illnesses in addition to spectrums. Your family member is one example - the man who attacked the person on the bus is another. The same can be said for persons suffering from anxiety - some have mild symptoms others have severe panic attacks. Make sense?

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 03:03 PM
Not sure who told you this. Yes there will be gag orders in place and No evidence presented at trial will be shown to the public unless one decides to attend.


sooooo, who is up for a trip to canada for the trial? lol

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 03:03 PM
I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.

Agreed. As Draconian as it sounds, there are some things that can't be fixed.

I understand the need for mental health care, even for violent criminals, but they should be incarcerated in hospitals without the possibility of release.

I am not a psychiatrist, but IMHO, rehabilitation just isn't viable for some folks. :(

I know Dahmer went to prison, but that was in the US. Not sure if a mentally ill criminal in Canada would be more likely to be remanded to a mental hospital.

Also, there may be a question of legal insanity which wouldn't necessarily depend on the perp's mental health as a whole, but on their ability to appreciate the gravity of their crimes and also on premeditation as opposed to a psychotic break or other trigger.

Any legal eagles care to weigh in on insanity defenses/sentencing?

neesaki
06-07-2012, 03:05 PM
After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

IDK, a potpourri of Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Hannibal Lecter comes to mind. Also Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, and neither are favorable as far as rehabilitation. Could be other things involved as he seems quite delusional, but that can be a component in the two disorders. Maybe he is Schizophrenic or Bipolar, but I just think there's more going on than that. Most Schizo's and Bipolars don't do what he did, in fact probably very few.

Something else comes to mind, that old movie The Bad Seed starring Patty McCormack (i.e., Sociopathic / APD). Only in LM's case, he didn't have a mother to do him in, so therefore got older and had the opportunity to learn and do more vile things; plus little Patty didn't have the WWW or violent video games, etc. to help nurture her talent.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 03:06 PM
This concerned me too because in one of the suspicious posts on DataLounge that I mentioned in my earlier post (and that is likely to have been posted by Beavis Butthead), the poster claims that Magnotta created the Beavis Butthead YouTube account but that others have continued posting on it (suggesting that maybe Magnotta created the account but gave a friend or accomplice access to it). This is also the same DataLounge poster who provided alleged details of how Magnotta and the victim met and how the murder was committed that only an accomplice or witness would have. And posted a picture of a package ready to be mailed (an obvious allusion to the mailing of the body parts). Although that image is a close-up of the package, so it's hard to make out the background, it looks like the walls in the background might be the same shade of pale green that I've seen in the videos of Magnotta's apartment.

Having said all of this, it doesn't seem likely that a real accomplice would post all of this information so brazenly on public forums, especially since the Beavis Butthead account has already been mentioned in the media. And I would imagine that LE has already looked into the Beavis Butthead account. So it may just be a troll. But if that's the case, it's one very deranged troll.

Any chance you could link to that datalounge comment and picture again? I agree that it seems brazen, but everything about this case and LM has been brazen. If it walks, talks and smells like a Luka Magnotta...

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:07 PM
Apologies if already posted.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/07/a-photographers-encounter-with-luka-rocco-magnotta/

Very interesting. So he was in Montreal in April 2011. The apartment described in this article is not in the same area as the one he was in where the crime occurred.

Jezbel
06-07-2012, 03:09 PM
Not sure who told you this. Yes there will be gag orders in place and witnesses will not be able to discuss anything before and during the trial. That includes attorneys. Media will be allowed in the courtroom. As a matter of fact there was an article indicating what courtroom the trial will most likely take place and it mentioned the media. Again, this is NOT the first high profile case in this country. It won't be on television but we will see tweets from the courtroom. We will have sketch artists and not actual photos.

Also, it is against the law for jurors to discuss anything about the case AFTER a verdict is reached.

After the trial, videos, transcripts and anything else can be released to the public. No evidence presented at trial will be shown to the public unless one decides to attend.


Evidence presented at Rafferty's trial was shown to the public during the trial

Lera213
06-07-2012, 03:10 PM
probably not related but found a comment that isn't dramatic by a poster of the name Marylin Monroe. Michael Brea decapitated his mother.

http://www.eonline.com/news/was_ugly_betty_actor_really_just_busted/212801#comments

deanna82437
06-07-2012, 03:10 PM
Appreciate you sharing, sharing is caring. =)


Can I get a link to the BB drama, Im a sucker for punishment and all.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw?feature=plcp

Jezbel
06-07-2012, 03:12 PM
Respectfully snipped:


Pax and I were discussing this last night. I would not be at all surprised to learn LM is schizoaffective/bipolar. (I'll have to pop over to my PM's to copy my reasons for that theory.)

There are many degrees of all illnesses in addition to spectrums. Your family member is one example - the man who attacked the person on the bus is another. The same can be said for persons suffering from anxiety - some have mild symptoms others have severe panic attacks. Make sense?

Yes it makes sense, I am well aware of the many forms and levels of mental illness and anxiety, that's why I said that I know these situations do not hold true for every person diagnosed, this is just my personal experience with the disorders.

pippirose
06-07-2012, 03:13 PM
I came across this yesterday and wanted to share (I apologize if it's already been posted). It's an online journal entry from LM that I found interesting just because it's not something I've seen from him time and time again on multiple sites - nor have I seen him talk about any kind of compulsion.

"Fingernail Compulsion

Ever since I was a little kid, I've had this compulsion to cut my fingernails, cuticles, and the skin around my fingernails, to the point that I've come to identify it as a form of self-mutilation, . I often sit, sometimes for an hour, cutting away at my cuticles with a pair of fingernail clippers, to the point that they're just an awful-looking mass of hardened, brittle tissue and nail. My fingernails are so short, so whittled down, that I can't even open a can without having to grab my keys or a knife to flip the tab up enough for me to grab it. I couldn't find any decent pics, but my fingers look considerably worse than those of a typical nailbiter.
I also have to go get a manicure three times a week because im so self consious of the way my toe and fingernails look.

Do any other adults struggle with this? How do you deal with it?"

LINK: http://estrip.org/articles/read/lukamagnotta/49063/Fingernail-Compulsion.html

Another one of his plagiarized posts. (Not saying that he didn't have that particular problem, though).
Here is the original:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt90930.html

Girlwiththestartat
06-07-2012, 03:15 PM
That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

I was too slow on posting, but I also saw that.

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:15 PM
Evidence presented at Rafferty's trial was shown to the public during the trial

True. London Free Press did a great job. Thanks! Same may happen here.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 03:16 PM
Im open to anything at this point. The bad part about all of this is, as a friend from Canada has informed me, Canada goes in to media blackout on cases like this, there will be no coverage, the case will be behind closed doors it will be conducted in French, and at best we will get sketches from an artist and some reports of who testified on what day but not what they testified to. This is not the US and it certainly is not Florida, I have been told the minute Luka sets foot in Canada the media blackout will begin.Not true.

The case will be conducted in Luka's language of choice, and that will be English.

Media blackouts aren't automatic in Canada, but they are done in most cases here.

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:17 PM
sooooo, who is up for a trip to canada for the trial? lol

I'm here so will probably attend a day or 2 but can't everyday because of work.

Work always seems to get in the way. LOL

kaRN
06-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Here he want's to have a baby with his girlfriend

Baby, Pregnancy And Birth Forum - Babyforum.com - View Profile: cutelittlenemo1 (http://www.babyforum.com/member.php?u=4599) -
http://www.babyforum.com/getting-pregnant-51410.html -

Check the date he posted that 12/21/11. From fatherhood to this. Why didn't he just ask his supposed GF the questions he posted? Or even just Goggle them.

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 03:18 PM
Not sure who told you this. Yes there will be gag orders in place and witnesses will not be able to discuss anything before and during the trial. That includes attorneys. Media will be allowed in the courtroom. As a matter of fact there was an article indicating what courtroom the trial will most likely take place and it mentioned the media. Again, this is NOT the first high profile case in this country. It won't be on television but we will see tweets from the courtroom. We will have sketch artists and not actual photos.

Also, it is against the law for jurors to discuss anything about the case AFTER a verdict is reached.

After the trial, videos, transcripts and anything else can be released to the public. No evidence presented at trial will be shown to the public unless one decides to attend.

Yea that is pretty much what I was told and posted.

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 03:19 PM
I agree that a cluey defence lawyer would run an insanity defence, but just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean they can run an insanity defence. Have to prove he didn't know right from wrong. His flight from the country post commission of the crime is consciousness of guilt, meaning he knew he'd done wrong. <rsbm>

I worry a bit about us bleeding hearts in Canada tho ... a couple of years ago, Allan Schoenborn killed his 3 kids in Merrit BC. He disappeared and was found hiding in the bush outside of Merrit. I was convinced that his post-offence actions would constitute consciousness of guilt, but he was found guilty but NCR, and placed in a psychiatric facility.

BTW ... WELCOME !! :)

elepher50
06-07-2012, 03:20 PM
In all your research done on Eric C. Newman does anybody know if he had an issue with Kris Sims from the Toronto Sun? Was anything about an issue ever documented?

Jezbel
06-07-2012, 03:21 PM
True. London Free Press did a great job. Thanks! Same may happen here.

They most certainly did. I hope the same holds true for when this case goes to trial, I have a feeling there will be a lot of stuff released that could blow our minds.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 03:21 PM
No, no. I didn't take away from your post that you didn't think LRM did it.

I was just wondering about what you were implying from your post.

I agree that there is a lot of trolling / emulation in this case. LRM's army of sockpuppets does not make it any easier.Yes, it's the massive amount of trolling and people posing as Magnotta that has been going on for so long that makes me think there's a whole lot more to this than meets the eye.

It doesn't make sense to me that Magnotta himself would post such denegrating and incriminating things about himself. I'm still trying to get my head around the motives behind people who are definitely trying to pretend they're him. Very bizarre!

joe2857
06-07-2012, 03:26 PM
Any chance you could link to that datalounge comment and picture again? I agree that it seems brazen, but everything about this case and LM has been brazen. If it walks, talks and smells like a Luka Magnotta...

Here's a link to the page on the thread that has the most interesting posts. At Reply 41, the poster mentions details about Luka and the victim. At Reply 58 is the link to the photo of the package.

I've noticed that in another reply, the same poster mentions visiting Web Sleuths, so maybe Beavis Butthead is just a sick troll who's doing this to arouse our attention and we're falling for it.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11649358,3

Here is a link to the page in the thread where the same poster mentions Luka creating the Beavis Butthead account. It's Reply 355.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11631297,18

kaRN
06-07-2012, 03:26 PM
I'm here so will probably attend a day or 2 but can't everyday because of work.

Work always seems to get in the way. LOL

I'd love to hook up with you both to go. We can take notes and tweet back to WS.

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:26 PM
Yea that is pretty much what I was told and posted.

mmmmmk. You said media blackout which is not exactly true. He'll love all those reporters watching him. Maybe he will pose for the sketch artist. :sick:

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 03:27 PM
Yes, it's the massive amount of trolling and people posing as Magnotta that has been going on for so long that makes me think there's a whole lot more to this than meets the eye.

It doesn't make sense to me that Magnotta himself would post such denegrating and incriminating things about himself. I'm still trying to get my head around the motives behind people who are definitely trying to pretend they're him. Very bizarre!

Have you come across anyone you think are people just pretending to be LM?

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 03:30 PM
I'd love to hook up with you both to go. We can take notes and tweet back to WS.

Sure! I'd love to meet my fellow WS'ers:seeya:

Not sure you and I should sit close though. You'll have me LOL and thrown out.:floorlaugh:

neesaki
06-07-2012, 03:33 PM
Wow. I guess I'm a little behind here. I have never, ever heard / known of a guy who is so totally and completely vain about his looks and appearance . I guess he must have just sat in front of the mirror all day and studied himself, alternately admiring, then finding faults, whether real or imagined. How sad and pathetic at the same time.

And "devil horns" ? How creepy is that? Maybe he really is possessed.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Luka+Magnotta+likely+sent+body+parts+Vancouver+sch ools+infamy+Police/6741121/story.html

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 03:35 PM
Have you come across anyone you think are people just pretending to be LM?In one case where the poster was pretending to be Luka, the IP was checked and it was found to be someone in Kansas.

Ooops - I meant Kentucky.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 03:37 PM
Sure! I'd love to meet my fellow WS'ers:seeya:

Not sure you and I should sit close though. You'll have me LOL and thrown out.:floorlaugh:

not me. im seweeus all the time!

however, on a seweeus note....id so love to be sitting in that courtroom...hmmmmmmmm

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 03:38 PM
Here's a link to the page on the thread that has the most interesting posts. At Reply 41, the poster mentions details about Luka and the victim. At Reply 58 is the link to the photo of the package.

I've noticed that in another reply, the same poster mentions visiting Web Sleuths, so maybe Beavis Butthead is just a sick troll who's doing this to arouse our attention and we're falling for it.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11649358,3

Here is a link to the page in the thread where the same poster mentions Luka creating the Beavis Butthead account. It's Reply 355.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11631297,18

Wow. That same person claims to have shared some sort of ID with LM and when someone questions him/her about this he/she claims it was only a joke. This person also claims there's a blog somewhere where LM talks about "shadow people" (I've never come across this).

I don't like how when someone questioned this person about how they knew intimate details of the murder he/she claimed they spent "too much time on web sleuths".

KOUKLA75
06-07-2012, 03:38 PM
Yeah , they did the same think with Homolka back then, we either had to cross the border to US land and buy a paper or this alt forum online!!!!!!

Lera213
06-07-2012, 03:38 PM
Here's a link to the page on the thread that has the most interesting posts. At Reply 41, the poster mentions details about Luka and the victim. At Reply 58 is the link to the photo of the package.

I've noticed that in another reply, the same poster mentions visiting Web Sleuths, so maybe Beavis Butthead is just a sick troll who's doing this to arouse our attention and we're falling for it.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11649358,3

Here is a link to the page in the thread where the same poster mentions Luka creating the Beavis Butthead account. It's Reply 355.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11631297,18
here is a link to the package he linked to: http://i48.tinypic.com/2yzj1ab.jpg

hrm big enough for a head...MOO

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 03:40 PM
Here's a link to the page on the thread that has the most interesting posts. At Reply 41, the poster mentions details about Luka and the victim. At Reply 58 is the link to the photo of the package.<rsbm>

JMO, but it was stated on BC tv that the Vancouver packages were white, so not sure that very generic looking wrap job is the real deal.

badhorsie
06-07-2012, 03:40 PM
Just so you know....the UK Sun is not a legit news source. They feature things such and alien abductions stories and alien type creatures found....

It is what the National Inquire was back when I was a kid: "Elvis is alive and has baby with Bigfoot" type stories.....then they throw in celeb stories and crazy spins to "real news"

It is not the same as the Canadian Sun.....

I am on another forum and anytime a link to the UK Sun is posted, the thread is dismissed as.............crap.

although this is JMO, im sure others may feel it is a legit source for news.


As a Brit, I can say that the Sun is bad, but not that bad. There is usually an element of truth in what they print. I would never buy/read the Sun but they are usually vaguely truthful

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 03:41 PM
here is a link to the package he linked to: http://i48.tinypic.com/2yzj1ab.jpg

hrm big enough for a head...MOO

To me, the background doesn't look like LM's apartment. It looks like a marble counter top and I see a rather ornate vase in the background. Could it be this was posted by the person who received the head in the mail? That or it's someone with a truly grotesque sense of humour...

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 03:42 PM
IDK, a potpourri of Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Hannibal Lecter comes to mind. Also Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, and neither are favorable as far as rehabilitation. Could be other things involved as he seems quite delusional, but that can be a component in the two disorders. Maybe he is Schizophrenic or Bipolar, but I just think there's more going on than that. Most Schizo's and Bipolars don't do what he did, in fact probably very few.

Something else comes to mind, that old movie The Bad Seed starring Patty McCormack (i.e., Sociopathic / APD). Only in LM's case, he didn't have a mother to do him in, so therefore got older and had the opportunity to learn and do more vile things; plus little Patty didn't have the WWW or violent video games, etc. to help nurture her talent.

There is also the possibility that, as in so many aspects of his life, LM has copied and cobbled together the MOs of fictitious and real-life serial killers in an attempt to forge an identity of his own.

Nothing he does is original. Doesn't mean he isn't sick, but because he mimics others so often, it would certainly muddy up a diagnosis from an armchair psychiatrist. JMHO

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 03:42 PM
<rsbm>

JMO, but it was stated on BC tv that the Vancouver packages were white, so not sure that very generic looking wrap job is the real deal.The pictures in the newspaper show a brown box. Darned media.

21merc7
06-07-2012, 03:42 PM
here is a link to the package he linked to: http://i48.tinypic.com/2yzj1ab.jpg

hrm big enough for a head...MOO

Interesting. Wonder if he had a crushed velvet green chair in his apartment (like the one in the photo) and if LE has seen this photo yet?

badhorsie
06-07-2012, 03:44 PM
Scars, holes, scar, abrasions...This guy's face is trashed from the work he's had done.

http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/06/06/magnotta.06062012/large.jpg


Realistically, he just looks like an average guy with bad skin to me. How would he afford to have "work" done?

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 03:45 PM
From EXIF viewer for the photo of the Canada Post box:


Equipment Make: Apple
Camera Model: iPhone 4
Camera Software: Microsoft Windows Photo Viewer 6.1.7600.16385
Sensing Method: One-Chip Color Area

Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Vertical Resolution: 72 dpi
Image Created: 2012:06:06 17:52:11
Exposure Time: 1/15 sec
F-Number: f/2.8
Exposure Program: Normal Program
ISO Speed Rating: 1000
Lens Aperture: f/2.8
Brightness: -1.1 EV
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 3.85 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 1936
Image Height: 2592
Exposure Mode: Auto
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Standard
Sharpness: Soft
Latitude: N 29° 32.09'
Longitude: W 95° 4.47'
Altitude: 12.67 m
Time (UTC): 22:48:25.75

Lera213
06-07-2012, 03:45 PM
shadow people, luka post:

http://www.orato.com/self-help/theories-explaining-shadow-people

Ok it is down: Here is what I saw on google search and I don't know how to do a cache version:



Orato: Theories Explaining 'Shadow People' Mysterious Phenomena ... (http://www.orato.com/self-help/theories-explaining-shadow-people)

By Luka Magnotta August 7th, 2007 - 12:59 am PT. Those who are studying the
shadow people phenomenon say that these entities almost always are seen ...
http://www.orato.com/self-help/theories-explaining-shadow-people

dallydilly
06-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Realistically, he just looks like an average guy with bad skin to me. How would he afford to have "work" done?

agree, it's well known he's had issues with acne scarring and had laser peel to help. Doubt very much he's had actual plastic surgery.

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 03:47 PM
"Magnotta all smiles following Berlin arrest""

from:
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/07/magnotta-all-smiles-following-berlin-arrest

Mianou
06-07-2012, 03:47 PM
The following link leads to an interesting article written by Robert D. Hare, Ph.D.
He is the author of the book Without Conscience, the disturbing world of the Psychopaths among us. (I just finished reading this book and highly recommend it.)
The link is an exert from his book.

"This Charming Psychopath: How to Spot Social Predators Before They Attack"

http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php/2011/02/24/this-charming-psychopath-how-to-spot-social-predators-before-they-attack/

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 03:48 PM
The pictures in the newspaper show a brown box. Darned media.

I haven't seen any pics in the newspaper ... do we have a link?

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 03:52 PM
The following link leads to an interesting article written by Robert D. Hare, Ph.D.
He is the author of the book Without Conscience, the disturbing world of the Psychopaths among us. (I just finished reading this book and highly recommend it.)
The link is an exert from his book.

"This Charming Psychopath: How to Spot Social Predators Before They Attack"

http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php/2011/02/24/this-charming-psychopath-how-to-spot-social-predators-before-they-attack/

That is a great article...thanks for sharing...

dotr
06-07-2012, 03:55 PM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/06/07/19849986.html
"BERLIN - Luka Magnotta was all smiles and sporting sunglasses on the police-car ride to jail Monday after his arrest in the body-parts murder of ex-lover Jun Lin.

A police official told QM Agency that Magnotta was silent except for one request - that police refrain from tipping off photographers who would be pining for a perp shot"

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 03:56 PM
"When I asked him for his name, he said his name was Kurt Trammel," Lilge said. "I asked him to show me his papers and he said didn't have anything. He began to tremble and his voice became nervous.

"He said he had come to Berlin to see a friend."http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2012/06/07/19850001.html

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 03:57 PM
I haven't seen any pics in the newspaper ... do we have a link?Second picture in the series:

http://www.vancouversun.com/Police+seek+Magnotta+link+human+remains+mailed+Van couver+schools+with/6738212/story.html?tab=PHOT

Darn it! I should have read the caption. Nevermind!

It does make sense that the box would be white if he purchased the box from Canada Post in the first place.

thedissent
06-07-2012, 03:58 PM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/06/07/19849986.html
"BERLIN - Luka Magnotta was all smiles and sporting sunglasses on the police-car ride to jail Monday after his arrest in the body-parts murder of ex-lover Jun Lin.

A police official told QM Agency that Magnotta was silent except for one request - that police refrain from tipping off photographers who would be pining for a perp shot"

Laughably delusional right to the end...

This guy is like a psychopathic Derek Zoolander.

I'm waiting for someone to post a clip where Magnotta says something like "There must be something more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking..."

Lera213
06-07-2012, 03:58 PM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/06/07/19849986.html
"BERLIN - Luka Magnotta was all smiles and sporting sunglasses on the police-car ride to jail Monday after his arrest in the body-parts murder of ex-lover Jun Lin.

A police official told QM Agency that Magnotta was silent except for one request - that police refrain from tipping off photographers who would be pining for a perp shot"
LOL something tells me that LM was trying reverse physcology on the cops. Luka was all about posing for a camera. His X even stated he got upset if someone didn't take a picture of him.

DD_bwest
06-07-2012, 04:00 PM
Laughably delusional right to the end...

This guy is like a psychopathic Derek Zoolander.

I'm waiting for someone to post a clip where Magnotta says something like "There must be something more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking..."

did you read the mcleans article someone posted earlie about the photographer who worked with im in montreal last year? the way he described LM posing instantly made me think of zoolander

Mianou
06-07-2012, 04:00 PM
Evidence presented at Rafferty's trial was shown to the public during the trial


I was actually surprised at how detailed the coverage was of the Rafferty trial - many of the articles that I read left nothing to the imagination. I still have images burned into my head. :(

On a side note - one of my neighbors is from Quebec and had told me in the past that she sees a huge difference in the French language news broadcast vs. the English version, she feels that much more information is reported and covered.

Quebec also uses a different system of law than the rest of Canada for civil cases but I am not sure if Criminal cases are prosecuted the same?

susan1122
06-07-2012, 04:00 PM
The following link leads to an interesting article written by Robert D. Hare, Ph.D.
He is the author of the book Without Conscience, the disturbing world of the Psychopaths among us. (I just finished reading this book and highly recommend it.)
The link is an exert from his book.

"This Charming Psychopath: How to Spot Social Predators Before They Attack"

http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php/2011/02/24/this-charming-psychopath-how-to-spot-social-predators-before-they-attack/

Thank you! Robert Hare is fantastic!

FootballMom
06-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Laughably delusional right to the end...

This guy is like a psychopathic Derek Zoolander.

I'm waiting for someone to post a clip where Magnotta says something like "There must be something more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking..."

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Great work, Audrey.

So, being taken on June 6th, and in Texas, we can probably conclude that this is *not* a photo of any body part package, sent or unsent.

Seems that our DataLounge Troll/Beavis Butthead (if the same person) is just being a douchebag troll.

Maybe even a pathological liar and attention seeker like LRM.

LRM, after all, was obsessed with serial killers. Perhaps DLT/BB is obsessed with LRM for the same reason.You'd have to be pretty demented to go to as much trouble as Beavis has in the past few days (if not years) to post with such obsession about Luka. No normal person does that.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Second picture in the series:

http://www.vancouversun.com/Police+seek+Magnotta+link+human+remains+mailed+Van couver+schools+with/6738212/story.html?tab=PHOT

Darn it! I should have read the caption. Nevermind!

It does make sense that the box would be white if he purchased the box from Canada Post in the first place.

That picture caption says the woman is signing for A Canada Post package - it's not THE package with the foot.

Lera213
06-07-2012, 04:03 PM
Thanks! I guess it's somewhat reassuring to know that the person trolling DataLounge is a crazy troll but probably not an accomplice or acquaintance.
I still think it warrants LE to check it out. What if and a big What If, Luka mailed the head to his number one FAN.

FrayedKnot
06-07-2012, 04:04 PM
23301

"I vant to be alone"

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 04:05 PM
I was actually surprised at how detailed the coverage was of the Rafferty trial - many of the articles that I read left nothing to the imagination. I still have images burned into my head. :(

On a side note - one of my neighbors is from Quebec and had told me in the past that she sees a huge difference in the French language news broadcast vs. the English version, she feels that much more information is reported and covered.

Quebec also uses a different system of law than the rest of Canada for civil cases but I am not sure if Criminal cases are prosecuted the same?Most criminal charges as serious as this are federal, and so would be handled the same across the country.

dallydilly
06-07-2012, 04:05 PM
I still think it warrants LE to check it out. What if and a big What If, Luka mailed the head to his number one FAN.

what? himself?

james62
06-07-2012, 04:06 PM
When was the review posted about him seeming like a 'wet fish' in regard to his escorting/prostitution?

Can't post the link but I read it the other day on the agency's website. A genuine review from a 56 year old man who had taken him away for the weekend and found him distracted and distant. Apparently he also wore his clothes in bed.

Bravo
06-07-2012, 04:06 PM
Realistically, he just looks like an average guy with bad skin to me. How would he afford to have "work" done?

I wondered same. Perhaps he did some home remedies.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 04:06 PM
That picture caption says the woman is signing for A Canada Post package - it's not THE package with the foot.
You didn't see my edit where I said "Darnit! I should have read the caption!"

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 04:07 PM
You didn't see my edit where I said "Darnit! I should have read the caption!"

I posted while you were editing - apologies!

janx
06-07-2012, 04:08 PM
Realistically, he just looks like an average guy with bad skin to me. How would he afford to have "work" done?

It's a bit more obvious when the photo is enlarged.

See interview with Nina in this video, at about 1:05:

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/videos/208276

mysteriew
06-07-2012, 04:09 PM
Did Jun Lin wear a ring in any of his pics?

Booth&Brennan
06-07-2012, 04:09 PM
Hmm ... no residential listings at whitepages dot com for that specific addy.

Looks like a subdivision to me on Googlemaps. Unfortunately Street View is available one block over but not that street. There are rows of near identical houses there though, looks like a series of townhomes or lowrise apartment units to me.

edited to add: i think it is extra suspicious that a package of that size and shape from Canada has a picture taken the same day of the delivery to vancouver. my experience with our postal system and selling on ebay is that to ship to the west coast would be in the same timeframe as the southern united states depending only on customs hold ups. i hope it is not a trophy to fan as someone suggested.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 04:11 PM
Hmm ... no residential listings at whitepages dot com for that specific addy.

Probably because it points to an apt address....probably Crow's Nest Apts....

Also, one can remove their listing from whitepages.com

I removed mine because im super anal about having my info out there....

Lera213
06-07-2012, 04:12 PM
what? himself?
hahaha

Well my post up I pasted a google search that apparently when you click on the orginal link that post is gone. THe person on the site stated Luka posted on a blog about shadow people. So in Google search I typed Shadow people and luka's name and about a few down, it showed a blog posted by him but the page is gone. It was back in 2007. If this is true and there was a post by luka on shadow people, then how would the guy know about that post if it is no longer there? Did he do the same as me and just simple searched or did he follow luka for a long time? Texas is just one state away from Arizona. Just thinking again and probably way off, but I'll keep it in the back of my mind.

FootballMom
06-07-2012, 04:12 PM
Following up from my earlier post regarding my Schizoaffective/Bi-Polar theory with some additional points of discussion thrown in to bounce around:


Delusional (grandiose thinking, alternate identities/pseudonyms), paranoid (stalkers), denial about his mental health in his rant about his mother leaving him in a mental ward (I couldn't find a quick link to this blog post), disorganized thoughts (writing style, plagiarism compensates), affective flattening, anhedonia (sexual & social - no close friends or family have been identified for well over a year or more, negative escort reviews - necessary to go to extremes in an attempt to achieve pleasure), notes the use of Risperdal in a post, reporter inquired about his mental health and lack of eye blinking after his Karla H. interview in 2007; stated on Dr. Drew (June 2012) that he was told by LM's agent that "he is fine, just needs his medication".
_________________________________________________

I stumbled across an interview with E. Fuller Torrey (considered to be one of the world's authorities on schizophrenia). I wonder if this might be why LM hates cats so much. Perhaps he was diagnosed and true to form refused to believe it but researched it. Here is the article - http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Schizovirus.html
__________________________________________________ ______

I think the use of the word “OR” will figure prominently in this case:

The defence of mental disorder is codified in section 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada which states, in part:
16. (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.
To establish a claim of mental disorder the party raising the issue must show on a balance of probabilities first that the person who committed the act was suffering from a "disease of the mind", and second, that at the time of the offence they were either 1) unable to appreciate the "nature and quality" of the act, or 2) did not know it was "wrong".
The meaning of the word "wrong" was determined in the Supreme Court case of R. v. Chaulk [1990] 3 S.C.R. which held that "wrong" was NOT restricted to "legally wrong" but to "morally wrong" as well.

Ok... feel free to discuss at your leisure. I have to pop off-line for a bit to work with & love on my GSD for awhile.

dotr
06-07-2012, 04:14 PM
I am just waiting for the 'poor baby boy" routine to completely kick in.


"Meanwhile, Evelyn Ascher, Magnotta's German court-appointed lawyer, says her client is "afraid he will be attacked by other prisoners" inside a Berlin jail because media reports make him out to be a "really, really bad person."


Magnotta has been transferred to an old Berlin prison where he is kept separate from other prisoners 23 hours a day, Ascher told the CBC in an interview"


Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Luka+Rocco+Magnotta+have+sent+body+parts+Vancouver +schools+publicity+police/6746118/story.html#ixzz1x8lGRIYG

Mianou
06-07-2012, 04:14 PM
That picture caption says the woman is signing for A Canada Post package - it's not THE package with the foot.


Wow those pictures are very misleading as they give a date. One of the pictures shows a Canada Post employee, the other a Courier. I have tried to find out which company has black polo shirts with purple but have had no luck so far .

If indeed, some of these packages were delivered by courier..then it opens up much more possibility for when an item could be delivered.

Booth&Brennan
06-07-2012, 04:15 PM
Probably because it points to an apt address....probably Crow's Nest Apts....

Also, one can remove their listing from whitepages.com

I removed mine because im super anal about having my info out there....

Plus if they only use a mobile phone they would not be listed. Unless things are different in the states. here only landlines are listed and i don't know many people who have land lines these days.

thedissent
06-07-2012, 04:17 PM
23301

"I vant to be alone"


:floorlaugh:

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 04:17 PM
peeps: be very careful in posting addresses... we do not know that the box in the picture is THE box.. thanks for your understanding

No_Stone_Unturned
06-07-2012, 04:20 PM
More:

Stephanie Smyth ‏@stephaniesmyth


L.A. police are wondering if #Magnotta was in #Hollywood at time of 66 yr old man's murder #bodyparts @CP24

kaRN
06-07-2012, 04:21 PM
sooooo, who is up for a trip to canada for the trial? lol
I have a beautiful cottage in the Laurentians 60 km away from Montreal we can relax at and decompress over the weekend when courts out. Seriously I would love to have you.

Paximus are you up for a trip north? I can lend you warm clothes :) Here's a more current link for your files that may provide additional info to the one from 2002. http://blog.torontodefencelawyers.com/tag/insanity-defence/

thedissent
06-07-2012, 04:23 PM
Following up from my earlier post regarding my Schizoaffective/Bi-Polar theory with some additional points of discussion thrown in to bounce around:


Delusional (grandiose thinking, alternate identities/pseudonyms), paranoid (stalkers), denial about his mental health in his rant about his mother leaving him in a mental ward (I couldn't find a quick link to this blog post), disorganized thoughts (writing style, plagiarism compensates), affective flattening, anhedonia (sexual & social - no close friends or family have been identified for well over a year or more, negative escort reviews - necessary to go to extremes in an attempt to achieve pleasure), notes the use of Risperdal in a post, reporter inquired about his mental health and lack of eye blinking after his Karla H. interview in 2007; stated on Dr. Drew (June 2012) that he was told by LM's agent that "he is fine, just needs his medication".
_________________________________________________

I stumbled across an interview with E. Fuller Torrey (considered to be one of the world's authorities on schizophrenia). I wonder if this might be why LM hates cats so much. Perhaps he was diagnosed and true to form refused to believe it but researched it. Here is the article - http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Schizovirus.html
__________________________________________________ ______

I think the use of the word “OR” will figure prominently in this case:

The defence of mental disorder is codified in section 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada which states, in part:
16. (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.
To establish a claim of mental disorder the party raising the issue must show on a balance of probabilities first that the person who committed the act was suffering from a "disease of the mind", and second, that at the time of the offence they were either 1) unable to appreciate the "nature and quality" of the act, or 2) did not know it was "wrong".
The meaning of the word "wrong" was determined in the Supreme Court case of R. v. Chaulk [1990] 3 S.C.R. which held that "wrong" was NOT restricted to "legally wrong" but to "morally wrong" as well.

Ok... feel free to discuss at your leisure. I have to pop off-line for a bit to work with & love on my GSD for awhile.

Interesting stuff, but I actually don't think LRM is schizophrenic.

I think he's a straight up psychopath. Grandiose self-worth, need for stimulation, pathological lying, manipulative behavior, lack of remorse, shallowness/callousness, lack of empathy, promiscuous sex life, early behavioral problems, impulsivity, lack of realistic life goals, etc.

All the online sockpuppets and weird postings were part of a grand scheme to make himself famous; to reach his full potential, which is both grandiose, unrealistic, and delusional.

Look at this "test" for psychopathy. LRM has a positive on each trait:

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm

The animal abuse is typical of psychopaths, as they derive pleasure and excitement from testing the boundaries of laws, rules, social conventions. They understand what is legal and illegal, but feel no remorse and have no moral compass. Once LRM realized he could kill kittens without remorse, it was only a matter of time before he realized he could do the same with humans.

Mbshafeena
06-07-2012, 04:24 PM
As some have mentioned before he may go for mental illness (insanity). As I recall when someone posted all the particulars (the real papers that were submitted in 2007) of his bankruptcy, I my memory recalls right there was something owing for medication. Also on Dr. Drew the other night, the guy that was interviewed mentioned how we was freaked out and said something to the individual who was with Luka (his handler - manager) asking if Luka was okay (he wasn't blinking at all) and the manager said "oh ya, he just hasn't taken his meds today".

Had to come back and say sorry Footballmom, just saw your post above with the same information. I was offline till now and should have gone back from where I left off and not jumped to this page first.

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 04:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/accused-canadian-cannibal-luka-magnotta-strike-hollywood/story?id=16519380#.T9EOdI59GXw

Mbshafeena
06-07-2012, 04:28 PM
I agree he is not schizophrenic. He never mentions hearing voices, or being paranoid either and agitated, etc. I do wonder what kind of medication he was suppose to be taking. We know he took drugs, it was I believe on one of his posts, when he was in L.A.

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 04:31 PM
Probably because it points to an apt address....probably Crow's Nest Apts....

Also, one can remove their listing from whitepages.com

I removed mine because im super anal about having my info out there....

Not sure how accurate the picture data is. The address given was 567 Davis for which there are ZERO listings. The Crow's Nest Apts are 501 Davis which has numerous listings.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 04:31 PM
Am I reading correctly that this video "Luka Rocco Magnotta WANTED for a homicide in Montreal" was posted on January 15th, 2012? I believe this is the video the animal activists made, but it's the title of the film that's disturbing. Is this in the timeline?

CAUTION: There is some footage of LM with the kittens, but not showing the actual killing.

youtube.com/watch?v=5tR36SwQIaw&feature=plcp

thedissent
06-07-2012, 04:37 PM
Am I reading correctly that this video "Luka Rocco Magnotta WANTED for a homicide in Montreal" was posted on January 15th, 2012? I believe this is the video the animal activists made, but it's the title of the film that's disturbing. Is this in the timeline?

CAUTION: There is some footage of LM with the kittens, but not showing the actual killing.

youtube.com/watch?v=5tR36SwQIaw&feature=plcp

Thanks for this, Audrey. The problem, is that you can change the title of a video after it's been uploaded. I suspect they changed the title after LRM was wanted for murder in Montreal, to gain some more hits for their video. Look at the video description-- they've added two links to the recent murder. I think both the title edit and description edit was obviously done more recently, and not in January.

AudreyRose
06-07-2012, 04:37 PM
Am I reading correctly that this video "Luka Rocco Magnotta WANTED for a homicide in Montreal" was posted on January 15th, 2012? I believe this is the video the animal activists made, but it's the title of the film that's disturbing. Is this in the timeline?

CAUTION: There is some footage of LM with the kittens, but not showing the actual killing.

youtube.com/watch?v=5tR36SwQIaw&feature=plcp

It actually looks like the uploader changed the title of the video after reading the news reports about the murder. Just ignore me! :blushing:

KDOGG
06-07-2012, 04:40 PM
OMGosh, I can't.catch.up!

Anyway ya'll could slow down a little bit? :please::floorlaugh:

THIS! lol ......hope the debate about the video being accessible ends soon. its def slowing me down! ha

novaspy
06-07-2012, 04:41 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before, but here's a 2008 blog that he wrote about having incest with his sister, and where he refers to himself as a psychopath:

Unbelievablenews20.blogspot.com (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=luka%20magnotta%20sister&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Funbelievablenews20.blogspot.com%2 F2008%2F08%2Fluka-magnotta-incest-with-his-sister.html&ei=Jw3RT5T_DoXw0gH3oOCwDw&usg=AFQjCNH0acPlCSFpBckbfzIfOQXwn0lkoQ&cad=rja)

Interested to see if they find a connection to the Hollywood sign murder case.

An August 2010 article Luka wrote about his "career in adult films" - Living in LA: Link (http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/luka-magnotta-discusses-his-career-world-adult-films)

September 2010 forum post where he claims to have won $142,000 through a lottery and plans to move to California: Link (http://www.gamblingnetwork.com/forums/general-lotto-lottery-forum/14219-luka-magnotta-wins-142-000-lottery-shares-his-secret.html)

More about living in LA in 2011: Link (http://www.palzoo.net/forums/display_topic/id_198/Luka-Magnotta-Male-Model)

The amount of buzz this sicko tried to create around himself is truly something.

seattlechiquita
06-07-2012, 04:41 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/accused-canadian-cannibal-luka-magnotta-strike-hollywood/story?id=16519380#.T9EOdI59GXw

uh oh... :eek:

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 04:42 PM
I have a beautiful cottage in the Laurentians 60 km away from Montreal we can relax at and decompress over the weekend when courts out. Seriously I would love to have you.

Paximus are you up for a trip north? I can lend you warm clothes :) Here's a more current link for your files that may provide additional info to the one from 2002. http://blog.torontodefencelawyers.com/tag/insanity-defence/

sounds awesome....PAX can pick me up on the way....lol well if driving lol



and thanks for the link.....adding to bookmarks and reading!

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 04:42 PM
Footballmom: After we discussed our psychological profile of him last night I have since even found more stuff to support it, I think its pretty darn close!

I have to tend to some business now but I will try and post some of what I have found to support what we discussed when I return.

Peekaboo10
06-07-2012, 04:44 PM
Scars, holes, scar, abrasions...This guy's face is trashed from the work he's had done.

http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/06/06/magnotta.06062012/large.jpg
AND he looks nothing like James Dean!!

matou
06-07-2012, 04:44 PM
Sorry just getting in and reading about the possible connection between LM and the Medellin case. Has anyone found any posts that could be Magnotta on any Medellin forums discussing the case? He's GOTTA be discussing the death and dismemberment IF he is responsible.

Question: was Medellin an animal activist?

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 04:44 PM
Interesting stuff, but I actually don't think LRM is schizophrenic.

I think he's a straight up psychopath. Grandiose self-worth, need for stimulation, pathological lying, manipulative behavior, lack of remorse, shallowness/callousness, lack of empathy, promiscuous sex life, early behavioral problems, impulsivity, lack of realistic life goals, etc.

All the online sockpuppets and weird postings were part of a grand scheme to make himself famous; to reach his full potential, which is both grandiose, unrealistic, and delusional.

Look at this "test" for psychopathy. LRM has a positive on each trait:

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm


The animal abuse is typical of psychopaths, as they derive pleasure and excitement from testing the boundaries of laws, rules, social conventions. They understand what is legal and illegal, but feel no remorse and have no moral compass. Once LRM realized he could kill kittens without remorse, it was only a matter of time before he realized he could do the same with humans.

i agree with your post...
i too am not leaning towards schizophrenic based on my unfortunate realtionship with one loooooooooong time ago. much more leaning towards psychopath.



Key Symptoms of Psychopathy

Interpersonal
Emotional

Social Deviance

Glib and superficial

Impulsive

Egocentric and grandiose

Poor behavior controls

Lack of remorse or guilt

Need for excitement

Lack of empathy

Lack of responsibility

Deceitful and manipulative

Early behavior problems

Shallow emotions

Adult antisocial behavior

http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php/2011/02/24/this-charming-psychopath-how-to-spot-social-predators-before-they-attack/

ETA.....I dont think he is paranoid....I believe his ramblings of stalkers and such are him making it look like he is innocent. I do not believe at all he thinks there are stalkers or people framing him. I truly believe he is manipulative and deceitful and is f.cking w/ everyone by acting like the innocent paranoid victim!

9InchNails
06-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Waw, I finally managed to catch up after being at least ten pages behind these last two days! Just wanted to tell everyone I think you did great work! Reading all those inaccurate news article from french media made me realize how fast you all found and analyzed available information :clap:

kaRN
06-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Regarding a mental health defense in canada. I found this interesting tidbit-
http://http://blog.torontodefencelawyers.com/tag/insanity-defence/

The Court found that the term “disease of the mind” was a legal concept, to be determined by the trier of fact (judge or jury), and not a medical term. It is the function of the psychiatrist to describe the accused’s mental condition and how it is considered from a medical point of view, but it is for the judge to decide whether the condition described constitutes a “disease of the mind.


much more at link

otto
06-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Eric and plastic surgery

http://www.canada.com/news/Video+exclusive+Magnotta+auditions+plastic+surgery +show/6745540/story.html

kaRN
06-07-2012, 04:47 PM
sounds awesome....PAX can pick me up on the way....lol well if driving lol



and thanks for the link.....adding to bookmarks and reading!

I would love that!! My brother makes his own Maple Syrup so I can send you home with truly Quebecois souvenirs :)

Mianou
06-07-2012, 04:56 PM
Arrrghhh.... I am driving myself batty here. I seem to recall seeing somewhere (Pearltrees?) some kind of link to LM and an article "How to React to what are you looking at, is this ringing a bell for anyone here?
One of the characteristics of a psychopath is being unable to show certain emotions (such as empathy for example)
This strongly suggests that LM was aware of not having appropriate responses to things, and was attempting to "teach himself". Just another part of his b.s. persona..

pippirose
06-07-2012, 04:57 PM
Following up from my earlier post regarding my Schizoaffective/Bi-Polar theory with some additional points of discussion thrown in to bounce around:


Delusional (grandiose thinking, alternate identities/pseudonyms), paranoid (stalkers), denial about his mental health in his rant about his mother leaving him in a mental ward (I couldn't find a quick link to this blog post), disorganized thoughts (writing style, plagiarism compensates), affective flattening, anhedonia (sexual & social - no close friends or family have been identified for well over a year or more, negative escort reviews - necessary to go to extremes in an attempt to achieve pleasure), notes the use of Risperdal in a post, reporter inquired about his mental health and lack of eye blinking after his Karla H. interview in 2007; stated on Dr. Drew (June 2012) that he was told by LM's agent that "he is fine, just needs his medication".


_________________________________________________

I stumbled across an interview with E. Fuller Torrey (considered to be one of the world's authorities on schizophrenia). I wonder if this might be why LM hates cats so much. Perhaps he was diagnosed and true to form refused to believe it but researched it. Here is the article - http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Schizovirus.html
__________________________________________________ ______

I think the use of the word “OR” will figure prominently in this case:

The defence of mental disorder is codified in section 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada which states, in part:
16. (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.
To establish a claim of mental disorder the party raising the issue must show on a balance of probabilities first that the person who committed the act was suffering from a "disease of the mind", and second, that at the time of the offence they were either 1) unable to appreciate the "nature and quality" of the act, or 2) did not know it was "wrong".
The meaning of the word "wrong" was determined in the Supreme Court case of R. v. Chaulk [1990] 3 S.C.R. which held that "wrong" was NOT restricted to "legally wrong" but to "morally wrong" as well.

Ok... feel free to discuss at your leisure. I have to pop off-line for a bit to work with & love on my GSD for awhile.

What comes to mind, are the couple of posts that LM had made to the psych forum, I believe, where he went into some detail about his childhood. He definitely mentions his mother's mental illness (bi-polar?) and the fact that he couldn't have friends over, because his mother was a germaphobe--always had on rubber gloves, or something to that effect.
Maybe the cat thing began in his childhood? About cats carrying germs?

Also, if LM was bi-polar, it would explain a lot, with his alternating moods of being anti-social, maybe even depressed, not wanting to go out --and then "manic" episodes with delusional-thinking, grandiosity. And if he was on his meds, he might be alright, IF he didn't also take any other drugs or alcohol with them.

otto
06-07-2012, 05:02 PM
I think Eric Newman is just the garden variety antisocial personality disorder: sociopath. He planned a murder, committed a murder, taunted police with what he did, mailed body parts around the country (nothing new here) and then sat back to enjoy the attention.

Lera213
06-07-2012, 05:03 PM
To me his mom and germaphobe sounds more like she had OCD and not bi-polar

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 05:03 PM
i agree with your post...
i too am not leaning towards schizophrenic based on my unfortunate realtionship with one loooooooooong time ago. much more leaning towards psychopath.




ETA.....I dont think he is paranoid....I believe his ramblings of stalkers and such are him making it look like he is innocent. I do not believe at all he thinks there are stalkers or people framing him. I truly believe he is manipulative and deceitful and is f.cking w/ everyone by acting like the innocent paranoid victim!

The only problem with this is that there may be some evidence that he was indeed on medication for schizophrenia. I am trying to confirm that though.

otto
06-07-2012, 05:05 PM
To me his mom and germaphobe sounds more like she had OCD and not bi-polar

Eric filled the internet with fiction ... why believe the "stories" he concocted about his childhood.

Mwitah
06-07-2012, 05:05 PM
I also think that arrest report in AZ that the poster (forgot name) found should probably send that to the AZ police handling that homicide and LA and Canada investigators on the case.

That was me. I'm new here and won't be contacting anyone, I'll leave that for someone else if it's deemed truly important.

Wanted to say that outside of Phoenix, there's not much but Tucson, so a lot of driving gets done. Hence a lot of tickets outside of those areas can be had. Lots of people drive from the Phoenix area to the LA area - wonder if there are any routes from CA to anywhere in AZ that would include Payson as a waypoint?

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 05:07 PM
The only problem with this is that there may be some evidence that he was indeed on medication for schizophrenia. I am trying to confirm that though.

id agree with that...thus my mention of it earlier...

at this point w/out having more info on him personally and not just him playing online....any guess is on the table...

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 05:10 PM
Road trip to Canada, party at Karn's place!

PAXIMUS
06-07-2012, 05:12 PM
id agree with that...thus my mention of it earlier...

at this point w/out having more info on him personally and not just him playing online....any guess is on the table...

Im behind so I probably missed where you mentioned it. Anyway I gotta run see you all later.

matou
06-07-2012, 05:14 PM
Police in Los Angeles have contacted the Montreal police department about alleged killer Luka Rocco Magnotta.
However, the L.A. Times reports that law enforcement sources in California have said that there is no link between Magnotta and the Hollywood Hills murder case.

I guess that ends that. Even though I am still suspicious. JMO

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/07/magnotta-los-angeles-police-body-parts.html

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 05:16 PM
I guess that ends that. Even though I am still suspicious. JMO

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/07/magnotta-los-angeles-police-body-parts.html

I don't think that is the "latest" if you will (I posted a link in the timeline thread that has a direct quote from LE saying he was in LA during the murder and they are investigating)

:moo:


eta: it was the LA times that reported this yesterday.. (that there is no connection)... but the reports that came out today are different

No_Stone_Unturned
06-07-2012, 05:17 PM
I think Eric Newman is just the garden variety antisocial personality disorder: sociopath. He planned a murder, committed a murder, taunted police with what he did, mailed body parts around the country (nothing new here) and then sat back to enjoy the attention.

Totally agree! I've worked with teen (and younger) socio/psychopaths. He's just another among many!

:jail:

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 05:20 PM
http://www.100wapi.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29860264

the possible connection to LA is hitting talk radio in the states (I have to run nurse kid to baseball in a few so I will listen on our way if he lets me turn off the hip hop for a few seconds :gasp:)

matou
06-07-2012, 05:21 PM
I don't think that is the "latest" if you will (I posted a link in the timeline thread that has a direct quote from LE saying he was in LA during the murder and they are investigating)

:moo:


eta: it was the LA times that reported this yesterday.. (that there is no connection)... but the reports that came out today are different

That's weird, this article was just released and updated less than an hour ago from the CBC.

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Jun 7, 2012 4:34 PM ET

Last Updated: Jun 7, 2012 4:42 PM ET

I'm still suspicious since there are conflicting stories and I went to L.A. Times and didn't find any recent story about Medellin at all.

nursebeeme
06-07-2012, 05:26 PM
That's weird, this article was just released and updated less than an hour ago from the CBC.

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Jun 7, 2012 4:34 PM ET

Last Updated: Jun 7, 2012 4:42 PM ET

I'm still suspicious since there are conflicting stories and I went to L.A. Times and didn't find any recent story about Medellin at all.
the news is just hitting the states right now (abc, talk radio, etc).... I am suspicious too.... I don't think they will be able to connect him to anything until they get him back to Canada and take his DNA for comparison... Hopefully the LA case has some perp DNA.....

susan1122
06-07-2012, 05:26 PM
"The killers in each case also appear to be seeking some publicity. Medellin's killer placed his head near the Hollywood sign, guaranteeing discovery. Montreal police confirm that Magnotta is the man seen killing, dismembering and eating his victim in a video posted on line. "

bbm

I am relieved to read this. I hope this means that there is no question that he will be convicted. It seems LE has a whole lot of evidence.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/accused-canadian-cannibal-luka-magnotta-strike-hollywood/story?id=16519380#.T9Ebpb9hqGp

Mwitah
06-07-2012, 05:26 PM
This article is four hours old. It says they are still moving forward with Magnotta and the Medellin case.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/07/magnotta-linked-to-hollywood-sign-body-parts


Lafreniere said the investigation will move forward once officers are able to get a DNA sample from Magnotta.

It also highlights that he was in LA per his "pimp" and his facebook profile.

Jujercu
06-07-2012, 05:31 PM
did you read the mcleans article someone posted earlie about the photographer who worked with im in montreal last year? the way he described LM posing instantly made me think of zoolander

I was wondering days ago if ben stiller will be able to bring his Zoolander character back ling enough to do the made for TV movie

Mwitah
06-07-2012, 05:32 PM
This article is one hour old on ABC, saying the investigation between Medellin and Magnotta is still open

http://abcnews.go.com/International/accused-canadian-cannibal-luka-magnotta-strike-hollywood/story?id=16519380

It also quotes some of his posts, which I am not sure I've seen before (sorry if it was already posted but I don't recall)


However, posts on one of several Facebook accounts attributed to Magnotta, and which bears his name, date from February and suggest he was in Los Angeles at the time. In those bulletins, first discovered by the New York Observer, the poster appears to be arranging appointments to offer massages and includes a phone number with an L.A. area code.

"Raymond and I are doing massages at his place on La Bra, pick me up at his place after we're done and we'll go out. I NEED A JOINT," reads one post, dated Feb. 19.

susan1122
06-07-2012, 05:33 PM
That's weird, this article was just released and updated less than an hour ago from the CBC.

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Jun 7, 2012 4:34 PM ET

Last Updated: Jun 7, 2012 4:42 PM ET

I'm still suspicious since there are conflicting stories and I went to L.A. Times and didn't find any recent story about Medellin at all.

It seems maybe Montreal LE are giving out more info then the LA police?

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 05:35 PM
The only problem with this is that there may be some evidence that he was indeed on medication for schizophrenia. I am trying to confirm that though.

How will you confirm that? Curious. With our privacy laws up here, it would be difficult to get his "real" medical records. You may get many fake ones though. lol

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 05:36 PM
That's weird, this article was just released and updated less than an hour ago from the CBC.

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Jun 7, 2012 4:34 PM ET

Last Updated: Jun 7, 2012 4:42 PM ET

I'm still suspicious since there are conflicting stories and I went to L.A. Times and didn't find any recent story about Medellin at all.

"The California force requested information about Magnotta's whereabouts during the so-called Hollywood Hills murder case earlier this year, when severed hands, feet and a head where found near the Hollywood sign."

Earlier this year?!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/07/magnotta-los-angeles-police-body-parts.html

Duke Fan4
06-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Not sure I am posting the link correctly but I found the Los Angeles report at abc
http://abcnews.go.com

novaspy
06-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Another post by Luka, under the alias "Camielle Richards" talks about him living in the LA and Arizona area as of the post date (Jan 17, 2012) Luka Magnotta Serial Cat Killer Hunted (http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/87fea63daa/luka-magnotta-serial-cat-killer-hunted)

His travelpod site, location Phoenix AZ although the date isn't apparent:
Luka Magnotta Travelpod (http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-photo/948995/1/1303781991/luka-magnotta-miami.jpg/tpod.html http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-photo/948995/1/1303781991/luka-magnotta.jpg/tpod.html) but it does say he was staying at the Sheraton Hotel in Phoenix AZ in March 2011.

Mwitah
06-07-2012, 05:39 PM
"The California force requested information about Magnotta's whereabouts during the so-called Hollywood Hills murder case earlier this year, when severed hands, feet and a head where found near the Hollywood sign."

Earlier this year?!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/07/magnotta-los-angeles-police-body-parts.html

I think the "earlier this year" references the Hollywood murder, not the time that the request was made. My reaction was initially the same, though!

Sonya610
06-07-2012, 05:39 PM
This article is four hours old. It says they are still moving forward with Magnotta and the Medellin case.

If Magnotta was responsible for the Hollyood murder I am sure there are pictures or video of the event and if that is the case why hasn't he posted them online? Even editing in still shots to a older video of himself, it wouldn't take that long.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 05:41 PM
I think the "earlier this year" references the Hollywood murder, not the time that the request was made. My reaction was initially the same, though!Ah haa! Yes! Thank you!

janx
06-07-2012, 05:41 PM
AND he looks nothing like James Dean!!


hahaha!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 05:45 PM
My name is Luka and I’m a cosmetic surgery addict’: audition tape
http://www.globalnews.ca/my+name+is+luka+and+im+a+cosmetic+surgery+addict+a udition+tape/6442656618/story.html?utm_source=facebook-twitter&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=community

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 05:48 PM
How will you confirm that? Curious. With our privacy laws up here, it would be difficult to get his "real" medical records. You may get many fake ones though. lol

apparently LM had posted on his Myspace blog that he took a known med for schizophrenia....however, the myspace account has been deleted....

OneLove
06-07-2012, 05:48 PM
Eric filled the internet with fiction ... why believe the "stories" he concocted about his childhood.

True. I have never taken his childhood stories as gospel truth. However, whatever the mind believes, the body will react to as though it IS true. So if his PERCEPTION was that an event was unfair, humiliating, traumatizing, etc., the end result is the same as though it DID happen the way he IMAGINED it.

Best example I ever saw personally was a 16 year old boy who, on recounting in detail the trauma of seeing a terrible accident at the age of 10, broke out in sweat, got nauseous, and eventually broke down crying. He was specific about it had given him phobias, nightmares, and changed his life. Darn thing was that he WASNT EVEN THERE when the accident happened, he was far away. He only experienced it second hand from hearing a person retell the details. It didn't matter; it had already affected his life by the age of 16. Convincing him that he did not actually witness this accident was hard work. In the end, it really didn't even matter much as his mind and body had "integrated" this falsehood as though he was there (hearing the screams, seeing the blood, etc). His post traumatic stress symptoms were as real as any I've ever seen.

Sometimes the most effective therapy is getting a person to "reframe" their own story and see it from a different perspective.

Too late for Eric Newman. :( I'd say the fella holds a mighty grudge.

kaRN
06-07-2012, 05:49 PM
I was wondering days ago if ben stiller will be able to bring his Zoolander character back ling enough to do the made for TV movie

Good one!! The likeness is almost spot on. I wonder if Luka can turn left?

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 05:49 PM
This is the full audtion tape

http://www.globalnews.ca/video/index.html?v=FrKKa5GBx68rgyNBu2VVT0BErKkUL_EZ#cana da

joe2857
06-07-2012, 05:49 PM
Another find on DataLounge: The same poster (who may or may not be Beavis Butthead) who posted the earlier creepy messages, including the link to the image of the package, has created a thread there asking whether phone apps are traceable.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11653487,1

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 05:51 PM
apparently LM had posted on his Myspace blog that he took a known med for schizophrenia....however, the myspace account has been deleted....Resperidol? (sp?)

kaRN
06-07-2012, 05:52 PM
apparently LM had posted on his Myspace blog that he took a known med for schizophrenia....however, the myspace account has been deleted....

He had 70 FB accounts per LE and likely had as many on Myspace. It would be interesting to know how much they contradicted each other.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Resperidol? (sp?)


yup...
Risperidone (Risperdal)

i have not been able to find it posted anywhere else....and well since the myspace is gone (darn no screen shots)....then *shrug*

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
apparently LM had posted on his Myspace blog that he took a known med for schizophrenia....however, the myspace account has been deleted....

ok but that doesn't make it true. Far from it. lol

When Pax said he would confirm, I thought he had something "real" not his posts on MySpace.

kaRN
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Resperidol? (sp?)
Risperdal :) http://www.rxlist.com/risperdal-drug.htm
You did good though!

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Another find on DataLounge: The same poster (who may or may not be Beavis Butthead) who posted the earlier creepy messages, including the link to the image of the package, has created a thread there asking whether phone apps are traceable.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html#page:showThread,11653487,1And what a hilarious response he got when he asked: "could the man simply kill me and then delete the app? Would that remove any connection between is (sic)?"

Answer: ".... I would suggest you avoid hooking up with potential killers." LOL

Funny and creepy, all at the same time.

pippirose
06-07-2012, 05:56 PM
Resperidol? (sp?)

Risperdal is used for bi-polar disorder, as well as schizophrenia.

kaRN
06-07-2012, 06:04 PM
My name is Luka and I’m a cosmetic surgery addict’: audition tape
http://www.globalnews.ca/my+name+is+luka+and+im+a+cosmetic+surgery+addict+a udition+tape/6442656618/story.html?utm_source=facebook-twitter&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=community

The surgery he requested wasn't one that any run of the mill 'cosmetic' variety plastic surgeon could have provided however and would have cost 1000%+++ more than had he been unhappy with his ears or nose. The audition tape suggests to me the client required a psych assessment to rule out body dismorphic disorder rather than surgery.
Altering and correcting the bone structure of his skull is cranio-facial reconstruction, a highly specialized form of plastic surgery usually reserved for those with a medical need, not simply a want. It's major surgery and requires lengthy hospitalization.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:05 PM
Risperdal is used for bi-polar disorder, as well as schizophrenia.Yes, unfortunately I knew someone who had been prescribed it for bi-polar disorder. Not a nice drug for anyone to be on.

janx
06-07-2012, 06:09 PM
Eric and plastic surgery

http://www.canada.com/news/Video+exclusive+Magnotta+auditions+plastic+surgery +show/6745540/story.html


And the crazy thing is that he'd already had surgery when he did this interview--I don't know how many times.

If you look at his face in very early photos, when he was relying on hair dye, contact lenses and makeup, you'll notice a visibly thinner face, especially through the cheeks and brow. Here is the classic example of the shots of him when he was younger:

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/International/ht_luka_magnotta_portrait_mnthg_120604_wmain.jpg
(A ten-year old on Halloween?)

Here is another one:
http://thecount.com/wp-content/uploads/Luka-Magnotta-.jpeg

Another:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/News/6727135.bin?size=620x400s

Contrast those with these pictures, which were taken later:

http://funny-videos.eu/wp-content/image/img_232365_cannibal-suspect-luka-magnotta-in-2007-interview.jpg

http://metronewsca.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/luke-magnotta.jpg?w=618&h=408&crop=1

It could be my imagination, I guess, but based on interviews with Nina (and she should know)--it's not.

I have nothing against cosmetic surgery, per se, but this guy seems to be obsessed with cosmetics of all kinds, and a slightly enlarged version of his latest mugshot attests to that. It's terribly sad.

For instance, I can understand Nina's reasons, but I can't understand Eric's. Does that make sense? :seeya:

otto
06-07-2012, 06:10 PM
Totally agree! I've worked with teen (and younger) socio/psychopaths. He's just another among many!

:jail:

I see nothing interesting, unusual, or remarkable about Eric Newman. Everything he did has been done before.

prima.facie
06-07-2012, 06:15 PM
And the crazy thing is that he'd already had surgery when he did this interview--I don't know how many times.

If you look at his face in very early photos, when he was relying on hair dye, contact lenses and makeup, you'll notice a visibly thinner face, especially through the cheeks and brow. Here is the classic example of the shots of him when he was younger:

{{{{snipped images}}}}

It could be my imagination, I guess, but based on interviews with Nina (and she should know)--it's not.

I have nothing against cosmetic surgery, per se, but this guy seems to be obsessed with cosmetics of all kinds, and a slightly enlarged version of his latest mugshot attests to that. It's terribly sad.

For instance, I can understand Nina's reasons, but I can't understand Eric's. Does that make sense? :seeya:

i have to say that if you were to look at a dozen photos of me, i look a bit different in all of them....lightening, camera, makeup on/off, hair up/down, etc plays a huge part in that...i find that a strange thing because its not like my looks change THAT much. lol or so i think....

i wonder if he really did have plastic surgery ever...sure prob facial peals and maybe injections...but im thinking he never went under the knife....he also has at times been pretty fit and other times looked anorexic...

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 06:19 PM
Hmm ... anyone know/recall when LRM was in New York?

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-fourth-department/2005/2005-05691.html

susan1122
06-07-2012, 06:20 PM
http://www.globalnews.ca/pages/story.aspx?id=6442656649

Suspect "enjoys pain"

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:25 PM
Hmm ... anyone know/recall when LRM was in New York?

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-fourth-department/2005/2005-05691.htmlWow, great find there sillybilly! Canandaigua, N.Y. is not too far of a drive from Toronto (two hours tops). Probably a hook-up gone bad.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Hmm ... anyone know/recall when LRM was in New York?

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-fourth-department/2005/2005-05691.htmlI'm wondering if it's the same Eric. I thought it was impossible to enter the U.S. from Canada if you have a criminal record. I know people who have simple mj possession charges from 30 years ago who still can't enter the U.S.

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Googling lukagorgeous and found some pics i haven't seen before:

http://romantics.tumblr.com/

not_my_kids
06-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Did Luka complain of hand or foot cramps anywhere on line?

I only ask because I was placed on Risperdal several years ago when I was still a minor (I attempted suicide, and that's all I intend to say about it here.) I was on what they called a "stabilizing course" meaning I was only on it for about six weeks, but it caused the absolute worst cramps in my hands and feet and they persist to this day. After talking to a lot of people (and i mean a lot) both online and in person, that have taken it, and it seems that those cramps are REALLY common. Much more so IMO than the pharma companies and FDA claim.

It would not be definitive evidence, but it would make it more likely that he took the drug if he did have those cramps. Of course, if he didn't or never posted about it, that of course doesn't mean that he didn't take it and vice versa.

janx
06-07-2012, 06:34 PM
i have to say that if you were to look at a dozen photos of me, i look a bit different in all of them....lightening, camera, makeup on/off, hair up/down, etc plays a huge part in that...i find that a strange thing because its not like my looks change THAT much. lol or so i think....

i wonder if he really did have plastic surgery ever...sure prob facial peals and maybe injections...but im thinking he never went under the knife....he also has at times been pretty fit and other times looked anorexic...


Here is the article that ~n/t~ linked earlier:

http://www.globalnews.ca/my+name+is+luka+and+im+a+cosmetic+surgery+addict+a udition+tape/6442656618/story.html?utm_source=facebook-twitter&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=community


Magnotta’s laundry list of cosmetic surgeries

The procedures he says he’s had in the past involved cutting strips of scalp from the back of his head so hair grafts could fill in what he said was a receding hairline at the corners of his forehead.

“I’ve had my eyes done here because I used to have dark circles underneath my eyes and it was completely making me look like I was tired all the time. I’ve had my nose done. I’ve had two hair transplants like I said before. And I’m planning on having muscle implants in my pecs and my arms,” he tells the show’s producers.

“Yeah, my name is Luka and I’m a cosmetic surgery addict,” he said, laughing.

Read it on Global News: Global News | ‘My name is Luka and I’m a cosmetic surgery addict’: audition tape


:ohoh:

girlinblue
06-07-2012, 06:34 PM
Random, and I haven't seen it mentioned. (Although it could've been. I'm past the point of trying to catch up on these crazy active LRM threads. Don't put me in the stockades!)

When this first happened I happened upon a link that listed Luka as having won the lottery a few years ago. 140k, I think it said. It was 4 AM and I was burning out on LRM overload, so I shut my browser but stupidly without saving the session and haven't been able to find any mention of again. It did list a year but I don't recall what it was. The only detail I remember is that it did say Canada. Is there a Canadian lottery system?

Am I losing it here? Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm googling Magnotta + Lottery right now and got nothing. I'm sure if it were true it would have been talked about since we were trying to deduce his financial ability to travel. I know it doesn't have much relevance but it's bugging me.

Mbshafeena
06-07-2012, 06:36 PM
Wow, great find there sillybilly! Canandaigua, N.Y. is not too far of a drive from Toronto (two hours tops). Probably a hook-up gone bad.

I am sure the entire document of the court transcripts are accessible and available

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 06:36 PM
I'm wondering if it's the same Eric. I thought it was impossible to enter the U.S. from Canada if you have a criminal record. I know people who have simple mj possession charges from 30 years ago who still can't enter the U.S.

Yeah ... will check further. If it is him, it could have been a first offence and could be one of the reasons for his subsequent legal change of name. I don't know how the name change might factor into border crossing. Obviously he has been able to travel under the name LRM.

ETA: There was a reference to LRM previously having been charged with sexual assault, but not sure we have any details on that.

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 06:40 PM
I see nothing interesting, unusual, or remarkable about Eric Newman. Everything he did has been done before.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. No disrespect to Jun Lin. His death was horrific. Then I thought of Zahra Baker and the horrors of her murder and dismemberment. Then I thought of Melanie MacGuire and the murder of her husband and dismemberment and body parts found in a suitcase and so many others.....

Why is this one different? Is it because he publicized it on video? Is it because of the kitten killings?

I think once he's returned to Canada, people will lose interest until the trial. Actually, I give it a few more days.......

This weekend we have the F1 race and festivities, football starts soon, Jazz festival, Comedy fest and of course there is the EuroCup. People will be too busy enjoying Summer. I know I will.

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:40 PM
Random, and I haven't seen it mentioned. (Although it could've been. I'm past the point of trying to catch up on these crazy active LRM threads. Don't put me in the stockades!)

When this first happened I happened upon a link that listed Luka as having won the lottery a few years ago. 140k, I think it said. It was 4 AM and I was burning out on LRM overload, so I shut my browser but stupidly without saving the session and haven't been able to find any mention of again. It did list a year but I don't recall what it was. The only detail I remember is that it did say Canada. Is there a Canadian lottery system?

Am I losing it here? Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm googling Magnotta + Lottery right now and got nothing. I'm sure if it were true it would have been talked about since we were trying to deduce his financial ability to travel. I know it doesn't have much relevance but it's bugging me.I've read it as well. Sorry that I don't have a link, but someone else brought it up again on this thread just this afternoon. I remember it said (that he said) he'd won about $143,000 but he had to split it with 5 or 7 other people, but was going to use the money to move to California.

We have a TON of lotteries up here, but nothing more than $50 million (LottoMax), very unlike some of the massive jackpots you and some other countries have.

Sonya610
06-07-2012, 06:42 PM
Googling lukagorgeous and found some pics i haven't seen before:

http://romantics.tumblr.com/

Those are some good photos of him. I know many here like to make snide comments about his looks but the fact is if HE had been the victim everyone would be saying "he was such a nice looking guy, such waste".

pippirose
06-07-2012, 06:42 PM
Wow, great find there sillybilly! Canandaigua, N.Y. is not too far of a drive from Toronto (two hours tops). Probably a hook-up gone bad.

In 2004, when he was arrested for fraud, he was also charged with sexual assault of the woman he defrauded, but later the sexual assault charge was dropped. This happened in Toronto.


http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2012/05/31/magnotta-no-stranger-to-police

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:43 PM
Yeah ... will check further. If it is him, it could have been a first offence and could be one of the reasons for his subsequent legal change of name. I don't know how the name change might factor into border crossing. Obviously he has been able to travel under the name LRM.

ETA: There was a reference to LRM previously having been charged with sexual assault, but not sure we have any details on that.Once he legally changed his name, his subsequent passport and driver's license would only be issued under Magnotta as well.

The traffic ticket in AZ was subsequent to the name change, so that's probably a different Eric too.

But who knows .. he obviously had ties to underworld folk who produce fake passports so anything is possible.

IntriguedMind
06-07-2012, 06:43 PM
Random, and I haven't seen it mentioned. (Although it could've been. I'm past the point of trying to catch up on these crazy active LRM threads. Don't put me in the stockades!)

When this first happened I happened upon a link that listed Luka as having won the lottery a few years ago. 140k, I think it said. It was 4 AM and I was burning out on LRM overload, so I shut my browser but stupidly without saving the session and haven't been able to find any mention of again. It did list a year but I don't recall what it was. The only detail I remember is that it did say Canada. Is there a Canadian lottery system?

Am I losing it here? Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm googling Magnotta + Lottery right now and got nothing. I'm sure if it were true it would have been talked about since we were trying to deduce his financial ability to travel. I know it doesn't have much relevance but it's bugging me.


I found it quoted on a forum
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3487490&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=8

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 06:43 PM
Did Luka complain of hand or foot cramps anywhere on line?

I only ask because I was placed on Risperdal several years ago when I was still a minor (I attempted suicide, and that's all I intend to say about it here.) I was on what they called a "stabilizing course" meaning I was only on it for about six weeks, but it caused the absolute worst cramps in my hands and feet and they persist to this day. After talking to a lot of people (and i mean a lot) both online and in person, that have taken it, and it seems that those cramps are REALLY common. Much more so IMO than the pharma companies and FDA claim.

It would not be definitive evidence, but it would make it more likely that he took the drug if he did have those cramps. Of course, if he didn't or never posted about it, that of course doesn't mean that he didn't take it and vice versa.

Not enough to stop him from murdering and dismembering a human being or killing kittens, obviously.

Mbshafeena
06-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Well his real name was Eric Clinton Newman so I am going to chase down the full court docs.

susan1122
06-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Googling lukagorgeous and found some pics i haven't seen before:

http://romantics.tumblr.com/

In the zoo photos he definitely looks like he has hair plugs. Look at the one with him next to the giraffe. He is always sticking his head into the frame. Look at ME!!!

girlinblue
06-07-2012, 06:46 PM
I've read it as well. Sorry that I don't have a link, but someone else brought it up again on this thread just this afternoon. I remember it said (that he said) he'd won about $143,000 but he had to split it with 5 or 7 other people, but was going to use the money to move to California.

We have a TON of lotteries up here, but nothing more than $50 million (LottoMax), very unlike some of the massive jackpots you and some other countries have.

Thanks, Sealuzna! I thought I had made it up in my delirium. I'll look for it upthread. ;)

Sealuzna
06-07-2012, 06:49 PM
I found it quoted on a forum
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3487490&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=8Wait .. in what year did he declare bankruptcy again? 2007?

udar55
06-07-2012, 06:50 PM
yup...
Risperidone (Risperdal)

i have not been able to find it posted anywhere else....and well since the myspace is gone (darn no screen shots)....then *shrug*
http://livekite.com/warning-for-risperdal-nov-2003/1227616

Here is a post he did (as "sentinal560") where he says:

sentinal560 says:
April 17, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Did you read Luka Magnotta’s MYSPACE blog? he is the male model…he was on Risperidal.. it caused him ALOT of troubles!

susan1122
06-07-2012, 06:51 PM
Random, and I haven't seen it mentioned. (Although it could've been. I'm past the point of trying to catch up on these crazy active LRM threads. Don't put me in the stockades!)

When this first happened I happened upon a link that listed Luka as having won the lottery a few years ago. 140k, I think it said. It was 4 AM and I was burning out on LRM overload, so I shut my browser but stupidly without saving the session and haven't been able to find any mention of again. It did list a year but I don't recall what it was. The only detail I remember is that it did say Canada. Is there a Canadian lottery system?

Am I losing it here? Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm googling Magnotta + Lottery right now and got nothing. I'm sure if it were true it would have been talked about since we were trying to deduce his financial ability to travel. I know it doesn't have much relevance but it's bugging me.

I saw that, too, and can not remember where. I remember thinking it was a lie.

sillybilly
06-07-2012, 06:51 PM
Those are some good photos of him. I know many here like to make snide comments about his looks but the fact is if HE had been the victim everyone would be saying "he was such a nice looking guy, such waste".

I was more interested in the fact that they are pictures of him at a zoo and an aerial pic of some city that I don't believe we've seen before in relation to his various accounts.

Anyone know what city that aerial shot is of?

DD_bwest
06-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Thanks, Sealuzna! I thought I had made it up in my delirium. I'll look for it upthread. ;)

i remember reading it to, around 140k from the ontario lottery corp

~n/t~
06-07-2012, 06:54 PM
3m Mark Carcasole‏@MarkCarc1010

#Montreal Police Commander Ian Lafreniere tells @newstalk1010 too early to confirm link between #Magnotta & #LA, #Tucson killings.

susan1122
06-07-2012, 06:54 PM
Yeah ... will check further. If it is him, it could have been a first offence and could be one of the reasons for his subsequent legal change of name. I don't know how the name change might factor into border crossing. Obviously he has been able to travel under the name LRM.

ETA: There was a reference to LRM previously having been charged with sexual assault, but not sure we have any details on that.

Yes, that was when he stole around 17,000 from a woman and also was charged with sexually assaulting her. The assault charge was dropped. Maybe 2006?