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Salem
06-17-2012, 12:53 PM
Good Morning Everyone!

We are going to give this a shot - but please keep in mind that this thread could be shut down at any moment.

This thread is for discussion of the video and comparison of different aspects of the video. Still shots can be compared here - but you have to use GOOD sense. Remember our threads are accessible to the underaged.

If there is NO SCIENTIFIC value to the photos they will be removed. And photos of private areas may NOT be posted here. All of this is at MOD/ADMIN/MGMT DISCRETION.

Please post accordingly,

Salem

mrs hunt
06-17-2012, 01:50 PM
I have not seen the video/I just can't

can someone isolate a shot or even describe by breed/color the poor dog that was used/abused and post it

sinwonderland
06-17-2012, 02:08 PM
THIS PICTURE IS A LITTLE BIT GRAPHIC

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/554068cap20120613a768185346.jpg

Karmady
06-17-2012, 02:24 PM
I have not seen the video/I just can't

can someone isolate a shot or even describe by breed/color the poor dog that was used/abused and post it

SWL posted a shot just now that is the clearest still I've seen. My impression from watching the vid was that this is a barely weaned puppy based on its size and movements -- some of which I perceived as "kneading". I have no idea about the breed, or even if there is one. Imo, most likely to just be a mixed breed since I can't see lm paying a lot of money for a purebred puppy for any purpose, much less for this one.

novaspy
06-17-2012, 02:28 PM
I did find a possible connection to the puppy on Twitter, and it seems it was female approx. 7-8 months old and adopted, however I'm afraid I cannot repost the link ... (protection of the person's identity)

Hopefully this person will come forward about giving the puppy to LRM.

deanna82437
06-17-2012, 02:44 PM
I did find a possible connection to the puppy on Twitter, and it seems it was female approx. 7-8 months old and adopted, however I'm afraid I cannot repost the link ... (protection of the person's identity)

Hopefully this person will come forward about giving the puppy to LRM.

Did you mean 7-8 Weeks old? The puppy in the video/pic sure doesn't look any older than that.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 03:03 PM
Rather than retyping my other post from the general thread here is the link:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9


In summary; I found the editing of the video a bit odd. You'll notice by the time stamps I've indicated on the attached image that some of the wounds disappear & reappear at unusual times.

Mozzmo
06-17-2012, 03:13 PM
I have not looked at the video repeatedly...only once. So definitely not able to answer some of the questions on here with anything but a one time view. I do recall the disjointedness of segments. I think I was so overwhelmed with disgust the variances of things like pubic hair and stab wounds or bloodiness didn't stand out. Still we know he edited this video. I am not sure if LM had a checklist of all the horrors he would conduct or if he winged it spontaneously. Once he was working on the editing he may have sequenced some things in a manner that suited him and his message of unbridled gore...rather then being concerned about being accurate with time sequencing.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 03:55 PM
I have not looked at the video repeatedly...only once. So definitely not able to answer some of the questions on here with anything but a one time view. I do recall the disjointedness of segments. I think I was so overwhelmed with disgust the variances of things like pubic hair and stab wounds or bloodiness didn't stand out. Still we know he edited this video. I am not sure if LM had a checklist of all the horrors he would conduct or if he winged it spontaneously. Once he was working on the editing he may have sequenced some things in a manner that suited him and his message of unbridled gore...rather then being concerned about being accurate with time sequencing.


I agree... I just wonder why he photoshopped out the wounds in a few segments and not others. It is evident (IMO) in a few sections... in other words; he is holding the camera and recording from the top (or bottom) of the body to the other end & back again in one fluid motion without stopping & starting.

Just another strange behaviour from the mind of a whacko that we will probably never understand.

Reannan
06-17-2012, 04:09 PM
I think the puppy looks like a bearded collie puppy. Here is a picture:

Reannan
06-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Rather than retyping my other post from the general thread here is the link:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8057733&postcount=947)


In summary; I found the editing of the video a bit odd. You'll notice by the time stamps I've indicated on the attached image that some of the wounds disappear & reappear at unusual times.

I am glad you posted this as well. I noticed that there were just a few stab wounds before the film was cut and you first see LM with the ice pick. JL had been tied up, but then the film is cut and you see LM move to the left side of the bed with the ice pick. At first, I thought this was when the stabbing first started, but it isn't. Something had already happened when we first see LM use the ice pick. God, this is so hard to right and think about. What a horrible, horrible crime.

prima.facie
06-17-2012, 04:29 PM
IMAGES:

Comparisons from killvid & regular LM pics:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13666
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13665
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13663
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13662
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13661

LM pic w/ MM shirt compared to LM pic w/ MM shirt at airport
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13672

Above LM pics taken from Flickr (see below post for albums)

Ring from killvid
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13656


Collage of hands from the killvid and LM reg pics.....[/COLOR][/U][/B]

(super sized) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13675

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13721

badhorsie
06-17-2012, 04:52 PM
This crime makes me literally sick, however two points;
I didn't watch the video but saw the still of the body parts in the bath and noticed lots of cuts on the victim's thigh.
The puppy looks like a Border Collie to me, I have always had these pups. I do hope that he/she is alright

Mozzmo
06-17-2012, 05:05 PM
Nice collage albeit morbid...but let's face it, can't really talk or see much about this case without that smacking one in the face! Its pretty clear that LM's penchant for plastering his photos all over the net certainly connect him to his own apt/furnishings. Those comparisons are a no brainer IMO. However, the hand grab pics from the video are just too blurred IMO to be as equally compelling of some of the other comparisons. The most notable detail I see is the ring on the third finger. Hopefully LE has a high resolution version.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 05:21 PM
Here are the left hand comparison shots I made...

(as required photo and video credit to be given to Lucca Rocco Magnotta... cough, cough)

Killvid vein comparison with a regular LRM photo.

Streets
06-17-2012, 05:24 PM
I skimmed through the video a few weeks ago, maybe seeing 10 seconds worth of it, but now I can't find the video online anywhere. Any suggestions?

Mozzmo
06-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Yeah similarities there. Just gotta say those silver pants scream prostitute! JMO.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 05:26 PM
I grabbed some pretty clear right hand killvid shots but have not found a clear right hand regular photo for comparison.

I'm posting these in case someone else happens to stumble across one that can be used.

(again video credit to LRM as mentioned above)

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 05:28 PM
I skimmed through the video a few weeks ago, maybe seeing 10 seconds worth of it, but now I can't find the video online anywhere. Any suggestions?

I'm guessing you tried Google for 1 Lunatic 1 Icepick or Ice Pick?

Mozzmo
06-17-2012, 05:30 PM
FootballMom...are you able to find a purple hoodie that matches that color in his other pics? I don't recall thinking he was in purple in the video, it was pretty dimly lit and hard to make out a definitive color.

Streets
06-17-2012, 05:34 PM
I'm guessing you tried Google for 1 Lunatic 1 Icepick or Ice Pick?

Yes, the sites that had it, don't have it anymore.. and all the other results are reaction videos. I'm still looking..

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 05:35 PM
FootballMom...are you able to find a purple hoodie that matches that color in his other pics? I don't recall thinking he was in purple in the video, it was pretty dimly lit and hard to make out a definitive color.

Yep! I did notice the purple show up in a few frames and was surprised/happy to see that... not sure if I grabbed one but will look & post if I do. I was focused on wound & hand images for comparison.

Mozzmo
06-17-2012, 05:38 PM
What I meant is are there other pics of LM in a purple hoodie that he posted.... it would create another comparison/connection possibly.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 05:38 PM
[QUOTE=prima.facie;8059064]IMAGES:

Comparisons from killvid & regular LM pics:

LM pic w/ MM shirt compared to LM pic w/ MM shirt at airport

Above LM pics taken from Flickr (see below post for albums)

Ring from killvid

Collage of hands from the killvid and LM reg pics.....[/COLOR][/U][/B]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13675

Thank you for bringing this over! Is it possible to resize your images so the frames are in alignment? If not, no big deal just thought I'd check. Awesome, awesome work! :)

Shimmers
06-17-2012, 05:46 PM
IMAGES:

Comparisons from killvid & regular LM pics:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13666
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13665
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13663
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13662
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13661

LM pic w/ MM shirt compared to LM pic w/ MM shirt at airport
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13672

Above LM pics taken from Flickr (see below post for albums)

Ring from killvid
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13656


Collage of hands from the killvid and LM reg pics.....[/COLOR][/U][/B]

(super sized) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13675

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1555&pictureid=13721

When I click the link, it doesn't work. All I get is a white page...

Jujercu
06-17-2012, 05:55 PM
I watched the video and took many notes ...I counted 100 stabs...yet so little damage seemed done when the camera pans over the body...I agree the disappearing stab wounds are curious. I though maybe just lo quality video ...but I couldn't tell for sure....AWESOME version of that dog still..btw ... :)

fearless
06-17-2012, 06:17 PM
@streets------->try "documenting Reality dot com!"

Streets
06-17-2012, 06:34 PM
So I found the video. Does anyone else find it odd that there is a table on the bed @ 8:35... and on top of that, what appears to be the portion of the body that was removed with a knife & fork?

Scientific
06-17-2012, 10:18 PM
Is it possible that Luka might have drained the body of blood by slashing Lin's neck, and then rearranged the time sequence of the video so that it seemed like the icepick stabs came beforehand? And then the stabs might only draw a little blood and seem to vanish. Or maybe he drilled holes somewhere in the body, Dahmer-style, to drain it of blood, before he even started with stabbing and cutting. Or possibly, between segments of the video he cleaned wounds somehow.

I'm assuming (since I haven't and will not watch the footage) that due to the poor quality of the video, the blood oozing from wounds was visible rather than the actual puncture marks in the flesh.

...What an odd thing to try to puzzle out. The other day I almost walked away from this case altogether because it's so disturbing.

I watched the video and took many notes ...I counted 100 stabs...yet so little damage seemed done when the camera pans over the body...I agree the disappearing stab wounds are curious. I though maybe just lo quality video ...but I couldn't tell for sure....AWESOME version of that dog still..btw ... :)

Reannan
06-17-2012, 10:45 PM
Is it possible that Luka might have drained the body of blood by slashing Lin's neck, and then rearranged the time sequence of the video so that it seemed like the icepick stabs came beforehand? And then the stabs might only draw a little blood and seem to vanish. Or maybe he drilled holes somewhere in the body, Dahmer-style, to drain it of blood, before he even started with stabbing and cutting. Or possibly, between segments of the video he cleaned wounds somehow.

I'm assuming (since I haven't and will not watch the footage) that due to the poor quality of the video, the blood oozing from wounds was visible rather than the actual puncture marks in the flesh.

...What an odd thing to try to puzzle out. The other day I almost walked away from this case altogether because it's so disturbing.

There are definitely stab wounds to the stomach area BEFORE LM starts to stab JL's body. I noticed this about the 3rd time I watched the video when I was trying to see the dog better. I think LM stabbed JL before he cut his throat, but for some reason, this part is not filmed on the version submitted to the internet. I also noticed that when LM is slicing at the body with the knife he uses, there is absolutely NO blood at all.... I wonder if LM killed JL and then placed the body in some sort of freezer before removing the body and completing the video? If so, that is another level of crazy, IMHO. I captured a screen shot towards the end of the video where the head, the left arm, and a leg are laying in what appears to be ice. Did LM have access to a chest type freezer or a VERY large cooler? There is another screen shot of the right arm laying inside what is obviously the freezer compartment of a regular refrigerator. I wish I had noted the time stamp for these screen shots. They are all towards the end, and there are numerous rapid screen shots woven into the video.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm assuming (since I haven't and will not watch the footage) that due to the poor quality of the video, the blood oozing from wounds was visible rather than the actual puncture marks in the flesh.

...What an odd thing to try to puzzle out. The other day I almost walked away from this case altogether because it's so disturbing.

{RSBM}

It is odd and disturbing... but also an incredible mystery to solve around every twist and turn.

Yes, the quality/lighting is poor at times but when the camera is directly over the body it is quite evident that one frame before there were visible wounds then they disappear... then reappear in the frame following. What is incredibly odd is that the 4 original wounds disappear but the later wounds are visible.

The time reference is easy to follow with the dismemberment... Which is how I am able to tell the frames are not out of sequence... unless I am totally missing something. :banghead:

There are 4 puncture wounds (with blood) before he begins with the pick... then later there are 8 wounds (with blood), then the original 4, then only the last 4 at the bottom which are barely visible, then none, then back to 8 again with much more blood...

A few have mentioned counting over 100 stabs... that is another thing that strikes me as very odd because no more than 8 obvious wounds from the navel area to just above the pubic area are ever visible. There are a few wounds on the clavicle near the beginning but they were too small to track... not at all like the other ones.

Reannan
06-17-2012, 10:57 PM
So I found the video. Does anyone else find it odd that there is a table on the bed @ 8:35... and on top of that, what appears to be the portion of the body that was removed with a knife & fork?

I did not see that. I dreadfully looked for the video again, but thankfully, I can't find it. I did notice the last time I watched it, that the fork with flesh on it appears again after it is initally removed from camera, right before the dog is placed on the bed. As horrible as this video is, the editing of it offers another huge view into the mind of LM. Why would it be edited the way it was??? It is disgusting and disturbing without a doubt, but it is also very odd. :waitasec:

Jujercu
06-17-2012, 11:01 PM
So I found the video. Does anyone else find it odd that there is a table on the bed @ 8:35... and on top of that, what appears to be the portion of the body that was removed with a knife & fork?

Yes streets I noticed that...I assume he is using a small table top tripod with a handheld cam. To get the best angle of what he was doing he probably had to have that stable to put the camera on...and yes that is the fork it pans over.

FootballMom
06-17-2012, 11:06 PM
What I meant is are there other pics of LM in a purple hoodie that he posted.... it would create another comparison/connection possibly.


I did not find any "obvious" photos posted anywhere with him wearing a purple hoodie... however, since we are 99% sure it is him wearing the purple hoodie in the YouTube "Preview" videos he posted before the murder... I've done a comparison of the unaltered YT hoodie with the killvid hoodie sleeve. I increased the exposure only; I didn't fool with any of the colors so we can see the killvid sleeve in better light is almost an exact match with the YT video in brighter lighting.

FWIW... from what I can tell... with exposure & brightness adjustments the purple sweat pants we have seen him wear do not match the hoodie. It is an entirely different hue. I even tried to adjust the tint to see if I could get it to match and it wasn't close. IMO the pants have more pink undertones and the hoodie has a darker blue undertone. I could be totally wrong but that was just from my 5 minutes of goofing around and I don't think it is that important in the grand scheme of things.

Jujercu
06-17-2012, 11:10 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kodak-PLAYFULL-ZE1-SILVER-Digital-Video-Camera-ACC-NEW-/390310849748?pt=Camcorders_Professional_Video_Came ras&hash=item5ae056ecd4#ht_4123wt_1140

Here is example of the type of camera I think he used...notice this camera comes with a tiny tripod about 4" high. I think this is the type of set up he used for the killvid. IMO

matou
06-17-2012, 11:25 PM
Is it possible the killvid was created using his laptop and not a separate movie camera? Also, I think the "advertisement" shots posted on May 15th were from a camera with flash or taken with a light shining on him since the lighting is way brighter than the killvid.

Jujercu
06-17-2012, 11:59 PM
Is it possible the killvid was created using his laptop and not a separate movie camera? Also, I think the "advertisement" shots posted on May 15th were from a camera with flash or taken with a light shining on him since the lighting is way brighter than the killvid.

No I don't think so. You can see the hand strap for the hand held cam in the kill vid on more than one occasion. I am 99% sure it was a cam like the one I just posted a link for.

Haunted82
06-18-2012, 12:20 AM
Hi everyone, I just joined the board, I posed an initial hello message on the main LM Thread, but I'm following this one too. I have many questions like everyone else, about the video ... but one of the questions I had, I believe somewhere on one of the other threads a couple of people mentioned they thought there was a second dog in the room (an adult dog) . At one point I clearly hear the puppy bark once , but its clearly a high pitched yap typical of a young pup that we see. I don't recall any evidence of a second dog, though so I'm curious what may have lead people to think that. Perhaps I overlooked something.

Summerfun
06-18-2012, 01:31 AM
Having watched that horrific video a few questions come to my mind.

Is there anything more disturbing that he could have done to the body?

He covered all his bases to make this the most disturbing, disgusting video ever. Putting in every element that he could. A killing, dismemberment, masturbation with a limb, cannibalism, necrophilia, the puppy,the wine bottle. And mailing the limbs to various places.

This was a very well thought out killing. Just to get the instruments needed to dismember, getting a puppy for that heinous act would have taken time and a lot of thinking.

This was premeditated 100 percent. It was not a spur of the moment killing. There will be no insanity plea.

Let's hope this sick little attention seeking coward rots in jail for the rest of his disturbed useless life.

blah956
06-18-2012, 01:59 AM
Having watched that horrific video a few questions come to my mind.

Is there anything more disturbing that he could have done to the body?

He covered all his bases to make this the most disturbing, disgusting video ever. Putting in every element that he could. A killing, dismemberment, masturbation with a limb, cannibalism, necrophilia, the puppy,the wine bottle. And mailing the limbs to various places.

This was a very well thought out killing. Just to get the instruments needed to dismember, getting a puppy for that heinous act would have taken time and a lot of thinking.

This was premeditated 100 percent. It was not a spur of the moment killing. There will be no insanity plea.

Let's hope this sick little attention seeking coward rots in jail for the rest of his disturbed useless life.

certainly a very disgusting video and while all videos capturing a real lost of life is disturbing and disgusting, it almost seems *safe* video for him to have made. IMO, i think the reason it is edited and not *as* graphic as some of the other readily available to download videos (like that hammer video) is because he probably restrained himself. I think he was disgusted with the gruesome'ness of the torture and dismemberment of Lin..he probably had to take breaks (perhaps even vomit?) during the whole thing. Perhaps take some medicine or drugs to get him to go through with the dismembering..
I certainly think it is possible. He built himself a reputation of being a hardcore and cold individual with little to no emotion. While I do believe he lacks empathy, I have a feeling he felt somewhat repulsed during that night from something. Maybe the smell, maybe other things he didn't stop to think about would occur during a murder... Perhaps editing the video was his way of hiding what he viewed as a weakness from the persona he built up.

Reannan
06-18-2012, 08:12 AM
Hi everyone, I just joined the board, I posed an initial hello message on the main LM Thread, but I'm following this one too. I have many questions like everyone else, about the video ... but one of the questions I had, I believe somewhere on one of the other threads a couple of people mentioned they thought there was a second dog in the room (an adult dog) . At one point I clearly hear the puppy bark once , but its clearly a high pitched yap typical of a young pup that we see. I don't recall any evidence of a second dog, though so I'm curious what may have lead people to think that. Perhaps I overlooked something.

Welcome to WS for all of the new members!!! I don't recall anything that would make someone think of a second dog being in the room. I was thinking about it more last night, and I bet LE knows what happened to the dog because they have not asked anyone with information about where he got to dog to come forward. The fact that nothing is being said from LE about the dog probably means the dog did not survive. I hope I am wrong....

Haunted82
06-18-2012, 09:25 AM
Having watched that horrific video a few questions come to my mind.

Is there anything more disturbing that he could have done to the body?

He covered all his bases to make this the most disturbing, disgusting video ever. Putting in every element that he could. A killing, dismemberment, masturbation with a limb, cannibalism, necrophilia, the puppy,the wine bottle. And mailing the limbs to various places.



Well what will still be interesting is if the 15 min version shows more actual acts, or if a true raw version of who knows how long ever surfaces, what it shows. The necrophilia is simulated and suggested only, as he's fully clothed. And the cannabilism is actually only at this point, suggested too, as we never see proof it was sampled. Part of me is still in belief this is still the 'trailer' to the true raw version (not the 15 min one), which was held back for the highest bidder who wanted 'everything'. But, time will tell.

Haunted82
06-18-2012, 09:29 AM
Welcome to WS for all of the new members!!! I don't recall anything that would make someone think of a second dog being in the room. I was thinking about it more last night, and I bet LE knows what happened to the dog because they have not asked anyone with information about where he got to dog to come forward. The fact that nothing is being said from LE about the dog probably means the dog did not survive. I hope I am wrong....

I forgot which forum I was on but I saw an identical ad from a year or two ago from Arizona looking for a dog. What turned the light on was the reference to the "family owning a pet store" . I believe it was under his cutelittlenemo1 moniker, so the May 20 ad on montreal's craigslist had to be him. Perhaps LE could first contact the ad to see if they get a response, or try to recover emails on the computer linking him to the ad.

AudreyRose
06-18-2012, 10:41 AM
Hi Everyone! I haven't watched the kill vid and don't plan to. I do however, feel the video is the most important aspect of this case and worth discussing - so here I am! I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute without having seen the video (only one particularly horrible still that I wished I didn't see...) but I've read the descriptions and have a general idea of what went on.

That being said, the hand/ring comparison shots are very helpful. I could tell right away those were LM's hands, because in every picture of him where I can see them, I shudder. He has the creepiest, spindliest, longest fingers. Yuck.

I also believe the Craigslist ad was written by LM. But I find it funny no one has come forward and been like "Oh man, I gave him that dog!". I suppose the person might be afraid of public scrutiny. Or maybe LM had no luck with the ad and stole a dog?

novaspy
06-18-2012, 03:19 PM
Did you mean 7-8 Weeks old? The puppy in the video/pic sure doesn't look any older than that.

It might have been weeks. The twitter was in French (which I don't speak very well) so I had to use google translate for most of it.

sinwonderland
06-18-2012, 04:04 PM
At 3:24, right before LM pans to the Casablanca poster, JLs hands are free, when it cuts back to JL, there is still the string or rope around his wrist and hanging from his right arm. Don't know why it caught my eye but it seemed strange.

DD_bwest
06-18-2012, 04:39 PM
this was posted in the other thread.. in response to how he got thru the bone..

"He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I


looking back it does somewhat look like an angle grinder, but it definitely has an electrical cord of sorts dangling from it.. its the same object he picks up from the side of the bed, as you get a frame or 2 where parts of the cord are visible..

edit: does anyone have a real good screen capture of the ice pick itself? is it an actual icepick? or a knife at is jsut similar.. reason being, an actual icepick would make a rather small puncture wound, especially on a dead victim. the holes on JL stomach seem to large for an actual icepick, could he have been attempting to aim his stabs into centralized areas to make them larger and more visible?

FootballMom
06-18-2012, 06:02 PM
At 3:24, right before LM pans to the Casablanca poster, JLs hands are free, when it cuts back to JL, there is still the string or rope around his wrist and hanging from his right arm. Don't know why it caught my eye but it seemed strange.

Yep.. I caught that too...

another really odd thing I noticed at 3:34 (in my initial viewing still not wanting to believe it was real) is that JL's hand is MUCH darker than his arm and body (under his hand so it isn't the result of the lighting). It looked like a mannequin.

Also in this same frame (3:34) it is well after the pick because his left arm has been amputated but there are absolutely NO visible wounds on his trunk... further lending to my speculation that LRM photoshopped some of the frames; maybe he goofed up and didn't correct the coloring of his hand as there is an obvious line?

Perhaps he photoshopped some of the frames to lead us to question whether or not there was more than one victim?

It's just a small snippet to show the coloring it is not graphic but I will remove it if anyone thinks it should not be shown.

matou
06-18-2012, 06:38 PM
I only watched 2 minutes of the video and I remember seeing something that looked like an icepick and I stopped the video. It was a long and thin instrument so the context led me to believe it was an icepick.

I need some help with my memory. I thought I saw body hair on the victim. Did I imagine this? I thought I saw hair on the tummy area. TIA.

sinwonderland
06-18-2012, 06:43 PM
Yep.. I caught that too...

another really odd thing I noticed at 3:34 (in my initial viewing still not wanting to believe it was real) is that JL's hand is MUCH darker than his arm and body (under his hand so it isn't the result of the lighting). It looked like a mannequin.

Also in this same frame (3:34) it is well after the pick because his left arm has been amputated but there are absolutely NO visible wounds on his trunk... further lending to my speculation that LRM photoshopped some of the frames; maybe he goofed up and didn't correct the coloring of his hand as there is an obvious line?

Perhaps he photoshopped some of the frames to lead us to question whether or not there was more than one victim?

It's just a small snippet to show the coloring it is not graphic but I will remove it if anyone thinks it should not be shown.

I'm not sure but it doesn't look like a knife. Looks like an ice pick (or maybe a screwdriver??)

FootballMom
06-18-2012, 07:09 PM
"He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I

edit: does anyone have a real good screen capture of the ice pick itself?


{RSBM}

see images for "pick", knife and angle grinder attached...

ETA: the more I think about it I wonder if he used a screwdriver before the ice pick or instead of due to the size of the trunk wounds.

FootballMom
06-18-2012, 07:13 PM
I only watched 2 minutes of the video and I remember seeing something that looked like an icepick and I stopped the video. It was a long and thin instrument so the context led me to believe it was an icepick.

I need some help with my memory. I thought I saw body hair on the victim. Did I imagine this? I thought I saw hair on the tummy area. TIA.


Yes, there was pubic hair in the beginning... not later (see attached composite I created).

Reannan
06-18-2012, 08:03 PM
{RSBM}

see images for "pick", knife and angle grinder attached...

ETA: the more I think about it I wonder if he used a screwdriver before the ice pick or instead of due to the size of the trunk wounds.

I agree. I just found the video again and got up the nerve to watch it in 'full screen' mode. I noticed things I did not notice before. For one thing, the first wounds you see are from the knife I believe - or definitely a much larger object than the ice pick. You see him repeatedly stab the victim with the ice pick, but you do NOT see wounds appearing for the most part. There are also wounds of different sizes on the chest. I wonder if some of the wounds are repeated stabs into the same place??? In any case, I am posting a close up of the original wounds, and a closes up of the chest wounds. Mods, if this is too much, please remove, and I will rephrase without the pictures. I find the pictures really helpful in understanding, but I understand that some people may not be up to seeing this nightmare. I certainly mean no disrespect to JL... quiet the opposite. I want LM put away for life. I cannnot bear another Casey Anthony situation.

Reannan
06-18-2012, 11:28 PM
No I don't think so. You can see the hand strap for the hand held cam in the kill vid on more than one occasion. I am 99% sure it was a cam like the one I just posted a link for.

Is this the camera strap or something from the hoodie he was wearing? You see this item swinging in and out of view as the camera is moved around.

Reannan
06-19-2012, 12:33 AM
this was posted in the other thread.. in response to how he got thru the bone..

"He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I


looking back it does somewhat look like an angle grinder, but it definitely has an electrical cord of sorts dangling from it.. its the same object he picks up from the side of the bed, as you get a frame or 2 where parts of the cord are visible..


SBM - I agree that the weapon that was probably used to dismember was something like an angle grinder. Here is a screen shot of the weapon as seen 0:04 into the video, as well as a picture of an angle grinder. In addition, I searched for "angle grinder murder weapon" and found a horrible story on that horrible Bestgore site about a woman who decapitated her son and killed her infant daughter with an angle grinder. I am going to bed now.... this is just all too much. My family was upset with me tonight for even looking at this stuff. I want evidence to be found, documented, and for it to be above reproach in court. Please God, let this case see justice!!!

AudreyRose
06-19-2012, 09:37 AM
It's interesting that people are finding descrepancies with the video (i.e. disappearing wounds, ties around LM's wrists, the darker coloured hand). Why would LM edit the video this way? We know he was handy with editing photographs. I'm wondering if he thought it would confuse LE and make a conviction more difficult? After all, LM did think himself pretty crafty (even though we all know now that he's not).

One thing other thing I've been wondering - how long would it take someone to do this kind of editing? I just have trouble imagining LM sitting in his apartment with JL's body parts scattered around, meticulously editing video. And does anyone know what program he might have used?

matou
06-19-2012, 01:13 PM
When Bernardo and Homolka were arrested for their horrible crimes, there were so many rumours going around via email about the details in the case. One of the rumours was that Homolka was using the hand from a dead victim to masturbate with and that it was filmed. That escalated to even worse and more shocking rumours of her using a severed hand from one of the victims to masturbate with (at the time, we knew that Leslie Mahaffy, one of the victims, was found dismembered). This rumour is STILL out there on the internet. It turned out that Homolka did use the hand of an unconscious victim (I can't remember who, maybe it was "Jane Doe") I have to wonder if LM's obsession with Karla helped with his sick ideas of what to do with Lin Jun's body parts. Just throwing that out there.

pingpattern
06-19-2012, 01:51 PM
As far the bloodless wounds go, the victim had probably already bled out. When the body is flipped over it seems that remaining blood had already begun to settle to his back, so the icepick wounds wouldn't have welled up due to lack of circulation (and gravity).

matou
06-19-2012, 01:57 PM
As far the bloodless wounds go, the victim had probably already bled out. When the body is flipped over it seems that remaining blood had already begun to settle to his back, so the icepick wounds wouldn't have welled up due to lack of circulation (and gravity).

I think this is called LIVOR MORTIS. Blood congeals in the capillaries due to gravity in about 4-5 hours (from wikipidia). Does the back have a black and blue colour? This could indicate some time between the actual death and when the body was flipped over.

pingpattern
06-19-2012, 02:04 PM
I think this is called LIVOR MORTIS. Blood congeals in the capillaries due to gravity in about 4-5 hours (from wikipidia). Does the back have a black and blue colour? This could indicate some time between the actual death and when the body was flipped over.

There is discoloration, but not as much as google images links to livor mortis, so it might be early in the onset, or something else altogether. It's just something I noticed at the time.

Scientific
06-19-2012, 09:43 PM
What I was wondering a day or so ago, was whether Luka murdered one person around the time he posted online about snuff films, and then murdered Jun Lin a couple weeks later, at that point splicing footage of both murders together. Does that seem feasible to anyone who has watched the video? Maybe he found a bidder after the first video who wanted a body part as evidence, and so had to make another film and keep the body that time.

Having no experience with video editing software, I can only tell you that a google search for the best free video editing software 2012, might help you to sort it out.

But, yeah, I've considered whether everything he's done in the past decade or so has been done with the ultimate goal of being a notorious serial killer. He might have researched ways to evade detection, hence the discrepancies in the video.

It's interesting that people are finding descrepancies with the video (i.e. disappearing wounds, ties around LM's wrists, the darker coloured hand). Why would LM edit the video this way? We know he was handy with editing photographs. I'm wondering if he thought it would confuse LE and make a conviction more difficult? After all, LM did think himself pretty crafty (even though we all know now that he's not).

One thing other thing I've been wondering - how long would it take someone to do this kind of editing? I just have trouble imagining LM sitting in his apartment with JL's body parts scattered around, meticulously editing video. And does anyone know what program he might have used?

Jujercu
06-19-2012, 10:12 PM
Is this the camera strap or something from the hoodie he was wearing? You see this item swinging in and out of view as the camera is moved around.

I am not sure where that image was from. You can see the camera strap in a few places. Whe I get back to my notes (not with me) I will post at what points you see it in the vid.

sinwonderland
06-19-2012, 10:17 PM
What I was wondering a day or so ago, was whether Luka murdered one person around the time he posted online about snuff films, and then murdered Jun Lin a couple weeks later, at that point splicing footage of both murders together. Does that seem feasible to anyone who has watched the video? Maybe he found a bidder after the first video who wanted a body part as evidence, and so had to make another film and keep the body that time.

Having no experience with video editing software, I can only tell you that a google search for the best free video editing software 2012, might help you to sort it out.

But, yeah, I've considered whether everything he's done in the past decade or so has been done with the ultimate goal of being a notorious serial killer. He might have researched ways to evade detection, hence the discrepancies in the video.

To me, it's for sure only one victim. I'm not sure if anyone else sees any different but personally I think it's always the same person.

Jujercu
06-19-2012, 10:18 PM
It's interesting that people are finding descrepancies with the video (i.e. disappearing wounds, ties around LM's wrists, the darker coloured hand). Why would LM edit the video this way? We know he was handy with editing photographs. I'm wondering if he thought it would confuse LE and make a conviction more difficult? After all, LM did think himself pretty crafty (even though we all know now that he's not).

One thing other thing I've been wondering - how long would it take someone to do this kind of editing? I just have trouble imagining LM sitting in his apartment with JL's body parts scattered around, meticulously editing video. And does anyone know what program he might have used?

I have made a few short type films like you are talking about. in fact my 12 year old showed me how to do it..depending on your computer everyone probably already has some type of video or picture video maker...it would take him minutes to edit that video. Really very easy. You can add pieces of videos...still shots and then drop a music track on top...in 20 or 30 minutes.

elepher50
06-20-2012, 09:52 AM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

matou
06-20-2012, 12:01 PM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

Is he seen actually making the cuts? Does he use a knife and is it the same knife used to cut off a piece of the buttock? Maybe he was cutting to try and remove a square piece of flesh from Lin Jun's back?

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06-20-2012, 12:22 PM
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matou
06-20-2012, 12:31 PM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

A Chinese character?

HastingsChi
06-20-2012, 12:43 PM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

I just ran a reverse image search (on both Google and TinEye) of the image and pattern you drew on the attachment and came up empty, none of the similar images even fit that basic pattern.

Reannan
06-20-2012, 01:23 PM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

Good question Elepher.... I think he was cutting at the body for the purpose of shocking the audience. I also think he was somewhat fascinated by what he was doing. There was a certain "attitude" to the way he cut the body. It was a strange mixture between a caress and hatred. At least that is what I saw. I have never seen anything like it before....and hope to never see it again.

elepher50
06-20-2012, 01:24 PM
Is he seen actually making the cuts? Does he use a knife and is it the same knife used to cut off a piece of the buttock? Maybe he was cutting to try and remove a square piece of flesh from Lin Jun's back?

Yes, the cuts are done with the knife and you can see the hand holding the knife and very precisely and methodically makes the marks. I don't know if this is the same knife as was used to cut the buttock as I couldn't stomach any more of the video.

elepher50
06-20-2012, 01:27 PM
A Chinese character?

That is what I thought too but came up empty when I looked - I see HastingChi has done an image lookup and has come up empty.

Was anything like this cutting done in any of the fav movies - like Basic Instinct? I am really not a big movie buff so have not watched the BI movie.

elepher50
06-20-2012, 01:31 PM
Good question Elepher.... I think he was cutting at the body for the purpose of shocking the audience. I also think he was somewhat fascinated by what he was doing. There was a certain "attitude" to the way he cut the body. It was a strange mixture between a caress and hatred. At least that is what I saw. I have never seen anything like it before....and hope to never see it again.

The vid is very hard to watch. The cutting on the back really made me wonder if LM is a "cutter" to himself and maybe that is why he photoshopped a lot of his images on the internet. Yes, there was an odd mixture of love/hate in the way the cutting was done.

HastingsChi
06-20-2012, 01:43 PM
That is what I thought too but came up empty when I looked - I see HastingChi has done an image lookup and has come up empty.

Was anything like this cutting done in any of the fav movies - like Basic Instinct? I am really not a big movie buff so have not watched the BI movie.

Eleph I'm also searching various resources for the cutting patterns used by serial and notable killers (both real world and fictional) that Magnotta has either mentioned or other clues show potential admiration.

I'll let you know what I'm able to find.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II

jacksonsquare
06-20-2012, 01:56 PM
I watched it twice and have yet to see the actual murder - Lin appears immobile to me except for what seemed like drugged movements when in the restraints. Opinions?

AnonymousD
06-20-2012, 02:20 PM
Not_my_kids, would you mind linking me to your transcription of the video?

I've gone back 3 pages in your posts & can't find it....and the search function didn't bring me to anything except for another reference of the transcription on 06/05/12.

Thank you!

matou
06-20-2012, 02:26 PM
Has anyone seen BOTH the killvid and the movie A Serbian Film? I'm afraid to watch the latter and I will not watch the full killvid. It seems to me, from reading the description of A Serbian Film and see the trailer, that LM was very much inspired by this film, as much as with Basic Instinct. There is a description that someone has sex with the head of a victim and it makes me sick that LM may have done this with his victim as well.

Karmady
06-20-2012, 02:35 PM
I watched it twice and have yet to see the actual murder - Lin appears immobile to me except for what seemed like drugged movements when in the restraints. Opinions?

I think the concensus is that the actual death blow, if there was one (assuming that the victim didn't die from some kind of drug administered beforehand) is not depicted in the edited version of the video. We don't know for sure yet whether it appears on the "raw" version obtained by the police. I think another concensus is that if he didn't die from a drug, that he died from having his throat cut prior to what's depicted in the edited version. Although, iirc, there has been some dispute about whether the blood from that wound shows that he was alive at the time. Personally, I have seen stills suggesting that he was alive, or killed very shortly beforehand, because of blood around that wound. Others, however, have posted about seeing a fairly clean wound. If the latter, those shots they may have been taken subsequent to the one I saw, after a bit of clean-up. jmo

lizzybeth
06-20-2012, 02:37 PM
See post #61


I haven't seen the video or read the transcript. I have seen one or two things mentioned elsewhere as to what happens in the video. I would also like to read the transcript but I didn't see it in post #61.

TIA

Karmady
06-20-2012, 02:38 PM
Has anyone seen BOTH the killvid and the movie A Serbian Film? I'm afraid to watch the latter and I will not watch the full killvid. It seems to me, from reading the description of A Serbian Film and see the trailer, that LM was very much inspired by this film, as much as with Basic Instinct. There is a description that someone has sex with the head of a victim and it makes me sick that LM may have done this with his victim as well.

No, but from what I've read, the most significant difference would be the involvement of a child. Otherwise, it sounds like a pretty good fit to me. Especially since, iirc, lm posted about it. It could even fit with the "crazy agent" story since I've read that the plot of the Serbian film was that the killer was told he could get out of the business by making the video w/o knowing what he was in for. jmo

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 02:39 PM
The dog was a Boston terrier.

The majority of the stab wounds were concentrated on the same entry points. You may notice the intentional precision of the person in the video.

FootballMom
06-20-2012, 03:08 PM
I think this is called LIVOR MORTIS. Blood congeals in the capillaries due to gravity in about 4-5 hours (from wikipidia). Does the back have a black and blue colour? This could indicate some time between the actual death and when the body was flipped over.

I did notice a bit of lividity in the area below the left scapula but oddly none present on the sides of the victim where it would normally be most apparent. I think the body was turned a few times hindering normal affects of gravity. That and the lighting was terrible.

FootballMom
06-20-2012, 03:17 PM
As far the bloodless wounds go, the victim had probably already bled out. When the body is flipped over it seems that remaining blood had already begun to settle to his back, so the icepick wounds wouldn't have welled up due to lack of circulation (and gravity).

You are correct under "normal" decomposition... the strangeness occurs where the wounds appear & disappear... and it is not because it is out of sequence (obvious by the dismemberment).

I cannot figure out why he would photoshop (edit) out the wounds unless it was meant to make us wonder if there was more than one victim... which I can say I did consider initially... he just didn't do enough editing to make that plausible (IMO) probably because he was rushed.

FootballMom
06-20-2012, 03:23 PM
Think of watching the video as selling Luka Magnotta a piece of your humanity.

NMK... :heartbeat:

don't forget the reason why we watched it & are breaking it down scientifically, medically & psychologically... We are learning from it so we can spot and prevent this from happening to others. Good can come from this - we don't have to give him the results he wanted.

Chin up! :)

FootballMom
06-20-2012, 03:35 PM
What I was wondering a day or so ago, was whether Luka murdered one person around the time he posted online about snuff films, and then murdered Jun Lin a couple weeks later, at that point splicing footage of both murders together. Does that seem feasible to anyone who has watched the video? .

{RSBM}

I really thought there were two victims... based on height, weight, coloring, body hair, genitalia, stab wounds (which I mentioned several times here)... It didn't take me long to realize that it was one person.

The thing that assured me was the logical sense that he didn't have the physical strength to remove a body without dismembering it. The smell of death would have been evident weeks prior to JL...

and we probably would have seen that video too. He would not have been able to help himself.

That is not to say that I don't think he killed other people before and possibly even after JL... we just haven't made those connections yet. They were most likely random "experimental" killings building with intensity. At least that is how it usually works, so I can only go by what I have learned.

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 03:37 PM
I've seen A Serbian Film. I loved it. Very sick movie. I don't really see anthing in that film being duplicated in our mystery killer's video, though. Other than just the idea of creating a video intended to shock.

italianWSfan
06-20-2012, 04:29 PM
"A Serbian film", for me, is the most disturbing movie I have ever seen in my entire life. I watched it out of curiosity, because normally horror movies are really no problem for me. But this movie was. When I had finished watching it, I immediately deleted any trace of it from my computer, because i thought that nobody in my family should ever come across this sickness. Weeks after I was still thinking about that movie, and I also had nightmares. I kept thinking about that this movie could for sure encourage some sick minds to do disgusting things.
To be honest, LMs "1 lunatic 1 icepick" FOR ME was way easier to watch, although I knew it was real.
A Serbian Film, in my opinion, really deserves the ban! Nobody needs to see such sickness, especially because sex and extreme violence are deliberately connected in this film.

When I first came across LMs plagariazed review of the movie, it gave me the creeps. I dont know if thats where he got his idea from, but it could very well be possible.

MOO, of course.

KDOGG
06-20-2012, 04:34 PM
"A Serbian film" is not american correct? its not in english i dont think.

italianWSfan
06-20-2012, 04:40 PM
"A Serbian film" is not american correct? its not in english i dont think.

It was made in Serbia, original language is serbian, but I have watched it in English.

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 04:44 PM
It's not in English. It's sick and twisted, but it's loud and over the top. For me that allowed me to remain conscious of the fact that it's just a movie.

The 1lunatic movie is real, and by that simple fact is much more disturbing. There are no quick cuts and loud music. It takes place in one room and is clearly homemade. You can't escape the fact that what you are watching is real. Much more disturbing than watching a movie with actors and a script.

I refuse to call it the Luka Magnotta video, though. I suspect that if it's revealed to be Luka, we will find out there's much more to this video.

pannekoek
06-20-2012, 05:00 PM
Has anybody seen Aftermath a 1994 horror movie? I saw a man on a youtube video connecting it to 1 lunatic 1 ice pick. He said it has the same sequence of events done to a dead body.

I cant watch it myself at the moment. Laptop died and using a very vintage Mac Os that doesnt support the current software...

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 05:08 PM
Aftermath is a short film that features a mortuary worker blending a corpse's heart and feeding it to his dog.

There are going to be a lot of movies out there that resemble this murder. I would wager that this video wasn't emulating any one movie, and the influence was simply going through a list of acts that would be certain to shock an audience.

matou
06-20-2012, 05:10 PM
Has anybody seen Aftermath a 1994 horror movie? I saw a man on a youtube video connecting it to 1 lunatic 1 ice pick. He said it has the same sequence of events done to a dead body.

I cant watch it myself at the moment. Laptop died and using a very vintage Mac Os that doesnt support the current software...

OK, there's a dog involved in that movie too, based on the description only. He takes photos of himself mutilating and having sex with a corpse.

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 05:16 PM
Anyone else have New Order stuck in their head? No pun intended.

Haunted82
06-20-2012, 05:36 PM
Anyone else have New Order stuck in their head? No pun intended.

Not only is it stuck in my head, but its forever changed for the rest of my life whenever I hear that song now. Many people on youtube have commented on the same thing. The same way Charles Manson "stole" Helter Skelter from the Beatles, True Faith by New Order is forever associated with this. I don't think psychologically we'll ever be able to erase the connection, so its always going to be there. Instant trigger. The incredible power of music.

pannekoek
06-20-2012, 05:45 PM
Anyone else have New Order stuck in their head? No pun intended.

Yeps, but I already loved new order ;)

sinwonderland
06-20-2012, 06:22 PM
Does anybody know offhand why the guys who made the 3 guys 1 hammer made that video?? I ask because the title of LMs videos (1 boy 2 kittens, 1 lunatic 1 icepick) obviously came from the 3 guys 1 hammer video.

pannekoek
06-20-2012, 06:31 PM
Does anybody know offhand why the guys who made the 3 guys 1 hammer made that video?? I ask because the title of LMs videos (1 boy 2 kittens, 1 lunatic 1 icepick) obviously came from the 3 guys 1 hammer video.

There were rumours that they did it for money, sell them to a gore site owner. They say some of the guys friends heard them talk about it, but it has never been proved...

Lera213
06-20-2012, 06:32 PM
Sorry to fellow posters: I cannot read one post here but came in to thank those that can post about it and to the mods for creating this thread so I can follow the stories without having to bypass a lot of talk about the Killvid.

Big kuddo's to all

thefreshestthing
06-20-2012, 06:32 PM
Well, they're all plays on the 2 girls 1 cup video title.

Lera213
06-20-2012, 06:43 PM
um, if you guys and gals come up with good stuff I hope you'll share it with LE for you never know if they could use it or further investigate what you've come up with.

sinwonderland
06-20-2012, 06:55 PM
Well, they're all plays on the 2 girls 1 cup video title.
:nevermind: I'm not going there.

Is there a puking smiley??

sinwonderland
06-20-2012, 07:02 PM
The dog was a Boston terrier.

The majority of the stab wounds were concentrated on the same entry points. You may notice the intentional precision of the person in the video.

How are you sure it was a Boston Terrier?? I know some people said it could be but I have pekingese/shih tzu puppies who looked like that puppy, too. Lots of puppies look like that one.

wfgodot
06-20-2012, 08:40 PM
Boston terriers are very distinctive-looking at any age (see avatar). One might mistake one for a French bulldog but little else.

Dane
06-20-2012, 08:46 PM
How are you sure it was a Boston Terrier?? I know some people said it could be but I have pekingese/shih tzu puppies who looked like that puppy, too. Lots of puppies look like that one.

I must agree.
At that age (barely weened, very young) most puppies do look much the same.

Sizewise, proportions, behaviour. Be it a Great Dane, an Alaskan Sleigh Dog, Australian Dingo or even a Pekingeze...
So it will be practically impossible to tell. Coloring is a clue... but with strays/not thoroughbreds, the black w. white markings is the most common in very young mixed breed puppies (as they are with mixed breed cats as well.).
Just like this one.

I also find the subject moot. What difference doest it make. No statements or questions to the public have been made by LE regarding the dog. The puppy in question is most likely dead. I am still guessing it was in one of the garbage bags which LE hopefully recovered, and that it's stomach contents may be evidence in the case. And good for the puppy. Then it didn't die completely in vain.

EDIT: I failed to mention that a vast majority of mixed breeds start out with just these colors. When they mature, their colors change, most often quite dramatically.
You rarely have mixed breeds true to their infant puppy coloring (and in several breeds that goes for thoroughbreds as well).

JMO, MOO, all that.:moo:

:)

HastingsChi
06-20-2012, 09:05 PM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.

eleph wanted to update you and everyone on my search which was attempting to connect the cut pattern which you shared with us to the cut patterns of various serial killers or high profile killers (both real world and fictional) which Magnotta has either mentioned or that our fellow members have pointed out as potential killers which Magnotta exhibited traits of.... I've compared your pattern with as much information as I've been able to locate and am sad to share that I've found no connection so far.

elepher50
06-20-2012, 09:35 PM
eleph wanted to update you and everyone on my search which was attempting to connect the cut pattern which you shared with us to the cut patterns of various serial killers or high profile killers (both real world and fictional) which Magnotta has either mentioned or that our fellow members have pointed out as potential killers which Magnotta exhibited traits of.... I've compared your pattern with as much information as I've been able to locate and am sad to share that I've found no connection so far.

Thanks HastingsChi - I have been looking too and have not found any connection to the distinctive, deliberate cut pattern. It probably means nothing - thanks for looking with me though.

The only other thought that did cross my mind went something like this:

Sometimes when we are counting with the children to track things we will put a vertical line on a piece of paper for each item and then when we reach the 5th item, we will put a horizontal line through the vertical lines. But when my thoughts go in this "counting direction" my heart says "no" this couldn't be but my head is telling me otherwise.

To visualize, here is a crude drawing of what I am talking about.

eleph

Reannan
06-20-2012, 11:31 PM
I can't quote both HastingsChi and Elepher50 at the same time, but I just wanted to say thanks to BOTH of you for asking, and seeking ansewers to a question about this case, i.e the pattern of the cut marks. THAT is what makes WS's a valuable tool, IMHO. People see patterns where others do not, and then others seeks answers to the questions raised. In the face of all that is horrible, disgusting, vile, and disturbing..... it is somewhat comforting to be in the gutter with bright minds like yours. :blowkiss:

Summerfun
06-21-2012, 12:50 AM
I had someone watch the video today, they used to be a movie producer with a very good eye for detail.

Her is what they told me, LM slashed the throat of JL when he is sitting on top him, one cut ear from ear. There were no other people in the room, just LM, it was not edited, just stopped at various times.
The dismemberment cuts were too sharp and not jagged, so it was not with the knife, maybe a saw.
The lighting in the room changed so it took very many hours to do this. The pubic hair disappearing was only because of the light conditions, he did not shave him.

My theory he will be diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. All the signs are there and we know LM had very many identities all over the web. And he will certainly play the part, because he is an actor, so not too hard for him to do.

No jail for him, just a nice psychiatric hospital.

CuriousRus
06-21-2012, 01:44 AM
A Chinese character?

My sig other is Chinese and I showed him the picture of the cuts and he did not think it was a Chinese character.

CuriousRus
06-21-2012, 02:01 AM
Does anybody know offhand why the guys who made the 3 guys 1 hammer made that video?? I ask because the title of LMs videos (1 boy 2 kittens, 1 lunatic 1 icepick) obviously came from the 3 guys 1 hammer video.

There was also a porn video that had a similar name called 2girls1cup which you can wiki, but it's about as low as you can go. Wiki dates it 2007.

Karmady
06-21-2012, 02:18 AM
There was also a porn video that had a similar name called 2girls1cup which you can wiki, but it's about as low as you can go. Wiki dates it 2007.

I've mentioned the naming convention here before. I don't know for sure that 2girls1cup came before the hammer one, but I think it did. And I do know exactly who told me about the former, though, so I can peg it in time very precisely to when it first came out and the wiki is correct. I think I've posted here before that is was about 5 years ago. Plus, it goes along with lm's known scat fetish. He could easily have glommed that from the sites he was on at the time, since I'm sure that video was VERY popular and much copied there...gah!

CuriousRus
06-21-2012, 03:07 AM
I had someone watch the video today, they used to be a movie producer with a very good eye for detail.

Her is what they told me, LM slashed the throat of JL when he is sitting on top him, one cut ear from ear. There were no other people in the room, just LM, it was not edited, just stopped at various times.
The dismemberment cuts were too sharp and not jagged, so it was not with the knife, maybe a saw.
The lighting in the room changed so it took very many hours to do this. The pubic hair disappearing was only because of the light conditions, he did not shave him.

My theory he will be diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. All the signs are there and we know LM had very many identities all over the web. And he will certainly play the part, because he is an actor, so not too hard for him to do.

No jail for him, just a nice psychiatric hospital.

I know much of what I write here has been discussed, but I guess that's why we're all here.

If he, the alleged murderer, can distinguish between right from wrong, which I believe he can, will that send him to a psych ward or jail? I can't help but think the video is all simply for shock value and attention and fame, just like his hero, Karla. And I'm banking in his mind, he is a mastermind brilliant guy that has figured out a way to get all this attention using the media/Internet, only to get a weak sentence and eventually walk away from it all like his hero and disappear, because he will then have achieved his fame status and there will no longer be a need for anymore killing or attention ploys.

There is simply too much suggested simulation in the video. The simulated sexual acts, the appearance of cannibalism, the zooming in on the poster for an effect, the fact that you never see the victim scream or struggle to escape (drugged and then dead before torture?), the slow deliberate wimpy stabbings all seem to suggest he is very aware of what he is doing; he seems to be staging everything.

In my mind, this seems different from someone who simply craves the sadism and killing and thrives on it. Maybe I give him too much sanity credit. He's clearly twisted in his thinking, but I believe he can help himself but made the choice not to stop. He is turning 30 in July, knowing his escort days and looks were no longer that of an early 20s twink, perhaps he felt compelled to make his mark now or never. Who knows, maybe drugs helped fuel his courage.

Take, for instance, the cannibalism. If, in fact, the fork has the flesh on it when the puppy is on the bed, then he did not eat it at the time in the video where he suggests he eats it. That's staging. Maybe in my mind i'm trying to assess the level of evil he is. He clearly ranks up there with evilest, but if he only suggests the cannibalism and only suggests the penetration, that makes me more inclined to believe he is not in the same category of a Bundy or a Dahmer. And if Dahmer didn't go to a psych ward, there is no way one can justify Magnotta going to one if he's determined guilty.

On the ring, does anyone think the style in which he wears the ring is also unique? It seems pushed down away from the hand and sits closer to the second knuckle on his finger from the fingertip.

FootballMom
06-21-2012, 04:11 AM
If he, the alleged murderer, can distinguish between right from wrong, which I believe he can, will that send him to a psych ward or jail?

{RSBM}

We have a psych discussion thread going if you would like to pose your question over there for additional feedback.

Armchair psych profile and background-Who is Luke Magnotta? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


IMO and as evidenced by many cases of psychotic killers... a murderer can distinguish right from wrong from a legal perspective (they would be arrested) but they may not have the ability to appreciate the morality of what they are doing is wrong (in their mind they believe it is justified).

AudreyRose
06-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Does anybody know offhand why the guys who made the 3 guys 1 hammer made that video?? I ask because the title of LMs videos (1 boy 2 kittens, 1 lunatic 1 icepick) obviously came from the 3 guys 1 hammer video.

From what I read, the guys who created the "3 Guys 1 Hammer" video didn't even name it that, it was a nickname the internet community gave it once it was leaked onto the net.

I personally have a hard time believing they did it because someone was paying them. They seemed to enjoy it too much. Plus, if someone was paying them to do it, why attend the funerals and flip off the victim's graves? They were just a couple of twisted individuals who got off on the "hunt" of humans.

AudreyRose
06-21-2012, 11:09 AM
How are you sure it was a Boston Terrier?? I know some people said it could be but I have pekingese/shih tzu puppies who looked like that puppy, too. Lots of puppies look like that one.

I also thought it looked like a BT, based on stills I saw (that were very poor quality for the most part). I've seen some people suggesting it looked more like a cat or a rabbit (although, I pretty much dismiss the rabbit idea since rabbits are not carnivores.) I haven't watched the video - can a dog be heard barking in the background?

Haunted82
06-21-2012, 11:12 AM
I also thought it looked like a BT, based on stills I saw (that were very poor quality for the most part). I've seen some people suggesting it looked more like a cat or a rabbit (although, I pretty much dismiss the rabbit idea since rabbits are not carnivores.) I haven't watched the video - can a dog be heard barking in the background?

Yes, shortly before the dog appears in the video for its part, there is 2 quick barks in the tone of a young pup that are easily heard.

AudreyRose
06-21-2012, 01:38 PM
Yes, shortly before the dog appears in the video for its part, there is 2 quick barks in the tone of a young pup that are easily heard.

Hmm, I wonder then where the dog was up until he brought it in for it's "part". I've been checking the Montreal SPCA strays page pretty much daily in the hopes of seeing a similar dog - but no luck. I have a feeling that poor pup did not meet a good end. So awful :notgood:

Reannan
06-21-2012, 11:14 PM
Hmm, I wonder then where the dog was up until he brought it in for it's "part". I've been checking the Montreal SPCA strays page pretty much daily in the hopes of seeing a similar dog - but no luck. I have a feeling that poor pup did not meet a good end. So awful :notgood:

Right now, I want to know what happened to that dog. BIG SIGH!!!! Why has LE not mentioned the dog?? Why has the media not asked this question?? I am not going to give up on getting an answer to the question of where the dog came from, and what happened to it. BIG SHOUT OUT TO ANY MEDIA READING HERE..... PLEASE cover this aspect of the story!!!! PLEASE!!!! :banghead:

Justme84
06-22-2012, 12:19 AM
There is simply too much suggested simulation in the video. The simulated sexual acts, the appearance of cannibalism, the zooming in on the poster for an effect, the fact that you never see the victim scream or struggle to escape (drugged and then dead before torture?), the slow deliberate wimpy stabbings all seem to suggest he is very aware of what he is doing; he seems to be staging everything.

In my mind, this seems different from someone who simply craves the sadism and killing and thrives on it.

Take, for instance, the cannibalism. If, in fact, the fork has the flesh on it when the puppy is on the bed, then he did not eat it at the time in the video where he suggests he eats it. That's staging. .

.

I have not seen the video so I lose credibility in that
but I think the same. For a true sadist or necrophiliac
this would have been a porn video for them
as well as whoever else they released it to.
They would want to take their time and try
all their weird desires. It's horrible what was
done. Please don't take this the wrong way but
it's all been done. It's like a transcript of
evil things other killers have done. All of it evil but nothing
his own. it comes off as a checklist.

The truth remains it was done. It's not any
less horrible because he didn't get off on it.

claudicici
06-22-2012, 06:21 AM
I think it may even be more horrible because of it.
Those others like Dahmer aparently could not stop,could not help it because of their sickness,their uncontrollable passion to do these horrible things.
LM truly comes of as someone who made that choice,who acted as "one of them"
without truly being "into it"

Justme84
06-22-2012, 06:43 PM
I think it may even be more horrible because of it.
Those others like Dahmer aparently could not stop,could not help it because of their sickness,their uncontrollable passion to do these horrible things.
LM truly comes of as someone who made that choice,who acted as "one of them"
without truly being "into it"

I'm trying to decide his motive. Fame, curiosity, or something else

Sunday
06-23-2012, 01:36 AM
Here are the left hand comparison shots I made...

(as required photo and video credit to be given to Lucca Rocco Magnotta... cough, cough)

Killvid vein comparison with a regular LRM photo.
That's compelling evidence that could certainly hold up in court!

Sunday
06-23-2012, 01:51 AM
Welcome to WS for all of the new members!!! I don't recall anything that would make someone think of a second dog being in the room. I was thinking about it more last night, and I bet LE knows what happened to the dog because they have not asked anyone with information about where he got to dog to come forward. The fact that nothing is being said from LE about the dog probably means the dog did not survive. I hope I am wrong....
There were 6 packages mailed and only 4 received, correct? We have accounted for 4 appendages and know the head is still out there, but what other body part could it be? Could it be the puppy rather than a body part? Sorry, this may have been discussed but I'm not about to fish around for it.

Sunday
06-23-2012, 02:12 AM
Question: Is there any significance to the cuts that were made on the back - this struck me as being done very precisely and methodically. Here is a hand drawing of the cuts - the vertical ones were done first and then the horizontal ones. Is this a symbol that I should know what it means or is this just regular LM being LM.
Maybe it's his initials? The bottom one looks like an M and the top could be a lower case L rotated to be horizontal. I really don't know.

claudicici
06-23-2012, 02:57 AM
I'm trying to decide his motive. Fame, curiosity, or something else

IMO Attention & notoriety

Scientific
06-23-2012, 03:56 AM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but perhaps the cut marks show how many people he has killed ...if they are a symbol for counting.

Thanks HastingsChi - I have been looking too and have not found any connection to the distinctive, deliberate cut pattern. It probably means nothing - thanks for looking with me though.

The only other thought that did cross my mind went something like this:

Sometimes when we are counting with the children to track things we will put a vertical line on a piece of paper for each item and then when we reach the 5th item, we will put a horizontal line through the vertical lines. But when my thoughts go in this "counting direction" my heart says "no" this couldn't be but my head is telling me otherwise.

To visualize, here is a crude drawing of what I am talking about.

eleph

Sunday
06-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but perhaps the cut marks show how many people he has killed ...if they are a symbol for counting.
I thought about this, but the one above doesn't make sense, and usually you count to 5, not 4, but who really knows?

angela
06-23-2012, 07:38 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but perhaps the cut marks show how many people he has killed ...if they are a symbol for counting.

I had not thought of that. That is scary.

sinwonderland
06-23-2012, 07:51 PM
He made a lot of cuts on the body in the video. Splitting of the skin is one thing my stomach can't take. Even in fake movies I can't stand the sight. Anyway, just wondering if anyone knew how many times he cut the body in all? It may not have any significance but I definitely cannot go back and count or look at the cuts. I don't understand why he made all of those cuts to begin with. (Not that there's anything I really CAN understand about any of this)

Karmady
06-23-2012, 08:15 PM
He made a lot of cuts on the body in the video. Splitting of the skin is one thing my stomach can't take. Even in fake movies I can't stand the sight. Anyway, just wondering if anyone knew how many times he cut the body in all? It may not have any significance but I definitely cannot go back and count or look at the cuts. I don't understand why he made all of those cuts to begin with. (Not that there's anything I really CAN understand about any of this)

SAME! What's up with that? I can watch a full autopsy up-close and personal EXCEPT for the incision. I had to change my major from pre-med for that reason and because I also can't stand a blood draw. I guess you would get used to it, but in the meantime I was like, ummm, no!

Shimmers
06-24-2012, 09:16 AM
Sorry for my post being OffTopic and totally random, but that picture with the red cloths and little side table thingie...... I really thought he just glued his head onto another one's body/picture. Check the shoes... those look like someone would wear when they have a brace or have a limb. Good collage though and accurate!

Reannan
06-24-2012, 10:10 PM
Sorry for my post being OffTopic and totally random, but that picture with the red cloths and little side table thingie...... I really thought he just glued his head onto another one's body/picture. Check the shoes... those look like someone would wear when they have a brace or have a limb. Good collage though and accurate!

I don't recall anything like what you are talking about Shimmers, and I don't want to view the video again. Where was this in the video? Thanks in advance, and welcome to WS's.

Sunday
06-25-2012, 03:52 AM
Going back to the cut pattern on the back: Perhaps it's indicating the 4 cats/animals and 1 human? I know it's a speculative longshot but it's all I've got for ya!

AudreyRose
06-25-2012, 11:20 AM
There were 6 packages mailed and only 4 received, correct? We have accounted for 4 appendages and know the head is still out there, but what other body part could it be? Could it be the puppy rather than a body part? Sorry, this may have been discussed but I'm not about to fish around for it.

This has been nagging at me too. I've been wondering why LE haven't said anything about the 6th package/part. They DID say the note said 6 parts...

Shimmers
06-25-2012, 12:49 PM
I don't recall anything like what you are talking about Shimmers, and I don't want to view the video again. Where was this in the video? Thanks in advance, and welcome to WS's.

I wasn't talking about any of his video's, but i was reffering to the photo collage prima-facie has made. ( first page on this thread ) :)

Thanks!

Shimmers
06-25-2012, 12:51 PM
Going back to the cut pattern on the back: Perhaps it's indicating the 4 cats/animals and 1 human? I know it's a speculative longshot but it's all I've got for ya!

I was thinking... with a lot of creativity, you can make his initials out of it LRM. Maybe I'm handy-dandy enough to use paint and make it visable what i mean.

JayFriend
06-25-2012, 03:11 PM
This has been nagging at me too. I've been wondering why LE haven't said anything about the 6th package/part. They DID say the note said 6 parts...

If they're still on the lookout for the head, they certainly haven't put out any pleas to watch for it. Perhaps they intercepted it or the recipient notified them without making a fuss about it to the media. That would really frustrate LM, who would be expecting more shock and awe in the media.

Sunday
06-25-2012, 03:19 PM
Yes! I proposed that earlier! The lower 4 slashes are the M and the top slash is a horizontal lower case L(l).

Sunday
06-25-2012, 03:30 PM
This has been nagging at me too. I've been wondering why LE haven't said anything about the 6th package/part. They DID say the note said 6 parts...
I believe the penis was ruled out but cannot recall why. So what's left? Entrails? I am hoping he just let the puppy go, or that the puppy left with a 3rd person in the room. I can't deal with the thought of a puppy suffering and dying. As humans we make our own decisions, even those that may innocently lead to our own demise, but animals don't have that same freedom of choice. Well, not domesticated animals.

AudreyRose
06-26-2012, 09:53 AM
I believe the penis was ruled out but cannot recall why. So what's left? Entrails? I am hoping he just let the puppy go, or that the puppy left with a 3rd person in the room. I can't deal with the thought of a puppy suffering and dying. As humans we make our own decisions, even those that may innocently lead to our own demise, but animals don't have that same freedom of choice. Well, not domesticated animals.

It's definitely hard to hear about the suffering of any animal. I don't feel any stronger about the possible death of the dog than I do about the death of JL though. Both are equally horrendous - with the biggest difference being poor JL's family losing a son/brother/nephew...

That being said - I don't think LM let the dog go and I don't believe there was a third person involved. Based on his track record with animals, letting the dog go just doesn't sound like LM. I also think that since LE haven't commented at all on the dog, they know what happened to it. But, I keep checking the Montreal SPCA strays page every day...because you just never know.

Haunted82
06-26-2012, 05:07 PM
Can someone clarify something for me about the video. This is for those who have seen it, or have the ability to review the end of it again. There is alleged to have been a picture at the end of the video that gave a hint it was LRM (like we needed anymore hints by the end, with the Casablanca poster, etc). But here's a couple of quotes to explain my question. On the Gore site that orig featured the video first, the site host wrote in the video explanation "It would appear that at the end of the video the perp posted a photo of himself. It’s difficult to recognize the person from it clearly, but still – reach of the internet is wide and can’t be underestimated. "

Also, in that 4chan archive forum , the person alleged to possibly have been LRM (or a troll pretending to be him) said :

blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)21:17:41 No.403108716

i understand peoples impression of him may get distorted due to medias interpretation of events, but i dbout this 'luka' character will get arrested, luka obviously wanted people to find out it was him by the inclusion of certain tell tale items in the video, such as the photo at the end, the inclusion of a cat, relating to lukas previous endeavours and the casablanca poster, it would obviously be traced back to luka

** GRAPHIC CONTENT **

Thing is, I never saw this picture. The version I saw, which I believe is the widely circulated one, ends with a close up of JL's upper body on the bed with a cut throat. And the graphic photos of the body parts shown prior to that do not show any pics of "the perp" . Anybody?

italianWSfan
06-26-2012, 05:30 PM
Haunted82, I am pretty sure it was this picture:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01523/SNN0709J---5328_1523309a.jpg

Link: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01523/SNN0709J---5328_1523309a.jpg

Haunted82
06-26-2012, 05:35 PM
Haunted82, I am pretty sure it was this picture:





Edit: Sorry that its so huge!

Oh no problem, but I never saw that in the actual murder video. That was from the promo video from 2 weeks before from you-tube. ?

italianWSfan
06-26-2012, 05:46 PM
Oh no problem, but I never saw that in the actual murder video. That was from the promo video from 2 weeks before from you-tube. ?

I am not 100% sure, but I remember this picture being at the end when I first watched the video on some gore website (video has been removed from that site). I just went to look for it to just watch the last seconds, and you are right, this picture is not there.
Maybe I remember it wrong?
Or are the videos which were reuploaded maybe a bit shorter, so it was cut out?

Haunted82
06-26-2012, 06:10 PM
I am not 100% sure, but I remember this picture being at the end when I first watched the video on some gore website (video has been removed from that site). I just went to look for it to just watch the last seconds, and you are right, this picture is not there.
Maybe I remember it wrong?
Or are the videos which were reuploaded maybe a bit shorter, so it was cut out?

I saw 2 versions of the kill video. The first and only time I saw the first version, was basically the same as the other only with no soundtrack (or sound at all, I can't recall - the new order song was not dubbed in). I never saw that version again, and have never seen it since online, it was of slightly poorer quality. The second and widely circulated version has the song on it and the 'ync' tag floating on the screen. It is 10:25 seconds which is widely reported. I'm still baffled by this picture reference.

sinwonderland
06-26-2012, 08:20 PM
I went back to the end of the video to see but I didn't see any still shots of LM. Didn't know about a version with no music, that's interesting.... also though the guy mentioned the cat as tying the video to LM but it was a dog... hmm.

Jujercu
06-26-2012, 08:39 PM
I am not 100% sure, but I remember this picture being at the end when I first watched the video on some gore website (video has been removed from that site). I just went to look for it to just watch the last seconds, and you are right, this picture is not there.
Maybe I remember it wrong?
Or are the videos which were reuploaded maybe a bit shorter, so it was cut out?

I think that before the gore site pulled the video.... their version included the still shot shown above...maybe they added that to the upload as they are the ones who put the facts together in the beginning and came up with the fact that it was indeed LM in the kill vid ...

sinwonderland
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
I think that before the gore site pulled the video.... their version included the still shot shown above...maybe they added that to the upload as they are the ones who put the facts together in the beginning and came up with the fact that it was indeed LM in the kill vid ...

Was best gore the ONLY site that had the video?? That's kinda odd to me because you'd think LM would want it EVERYWHERE he could get it... or was it live leak too??

Mbshafeena
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
It's definitely hard to hear about the suffering of any animal. I don't feel any stronger about the possible death of the dog than I do about the death of JL though. Both are equally horrendous - with the biggest difference being poor JL's family losing a son/brother/nephew...

That being said - I don't think LM let the dog go and I don't believe there was a third person involved. Based on his track record with animals, letting the dog go just doesn't sound like LM. I also think that since LE haven't commented at all on the dog, they know what happened to it. But, I keep checking the Montreal SPCA strays page every day...because you just never know.

He put the trash out on Friday and some of it was already picked up. I am pretty sure the dog was more than likely in one of those bags. The torso was in the suitcase and I saw an interview where it was said it was locked and they had to get something to cut the lock off.

We are lucky that the suitcase was not picked up at the same time or he would have had lots of time to hide in Europe.

prima.facie
06-26-2012, 09:04 PM
Haunted82, I am pretty sure it was this picture:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01523/SNN0709J---5328_1523309a.jpg

Link: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01523/SNN0709J---5328_1523309a.jpg

this image is the first image seen after the "film title" in text....and the very last image seen at end of video. there are no other images of LM.....i showed in my collage his hands w/ the ring compared w/ regular pics....that along w/ furnishings, etc....

HOWEVER, in it's present form....as we see it....defense can argue it is not him. i know its not a truth anyone wants to hear...but as we see it, there is zero proof it is him in the vid. prosecution is going to need more...and i hope they have more...

w/ that said, i dont think the cut marks mean anything...sometimes a cut is just a cut....or we could take it really far and say it was a message to someone who would view it....

Haunted82
06-26-2012, 09:13 PM
Was best gore the ONLY site that had the video?? That's kinda odd to me because you'd think LM would want it EVERYWHERE he could get it... or was it live leak too??

I don't believe it was on liveleak, but the widely circulated copy may have been from 'theync' as their tag is stamped all over the most frequently circulating copy. Now i wished I'd kept that orig one to see if it had the pic at the end.
So possibly some sites did some editing of their own on the video.

Haunted82
06-26-2012, 09:17 PM
this image is the first image seen after the "film title" in text....and the very last image seen at end of video. there are no other images of LM.....i showed in my collage his hands w/ the ring compared w/ regular pics....that along w/ furnishings, etc....

HOWEVER, in it's present form....as we see it....defense can argue it is not him. i know its not a truth anyone wants to hear...but as we see it, there is zero proof it is him in the vid. prosecution is going to need more...and i hope they have more...



the 10min 25sec version with 'theync' stamp on it has no text of the title at the beginning nor any purple hoodie image of him at the beginning nor the end. strange.

AudreyRose
06-27-2012, 10:38 AM
the 10min 25sec version with 'theync' stamp on it has no text of the title at the beginning nor any purple hoodie image of him at the beginning nor the end. strange.

This is the first I've heard of two different versions of the video. Interesting. I'm not even sure what to make of that...

OEJ
06-27-2012, 01:58 PM
the 10min 25sec version with 'theync' stamp on it has no text of the title at the beginning nor any purple hoodie image of him at the beginning nor the end. strange.

On his Emily Williams Youtube account, on May 26th, he actually put a link in the description to the 'ync' website.

the seeker
06-27-2012, 02:34 PM
Having watched that horrific video a few questions come to my mind.

Is there anything more disturbing that he could have done to the body?

He covered all his bases to make this the most disturbing, disgusting video ever. Putting in every element that he could. A killing, dismemberment, masturbation with a limb, cannibalism, necrophilia, the puppy,the wine bottle. And mailing the limbs to various places.

This was a very well thought out killing. Just to get the instruments needed to dismember, getting a puppy for that heinous act would have taken time and a lot of thinking.

This was premeditated 100 percent. It was not a spur of the moment killing. There will be no insanity plea.

Let's hope this sick little attention seeking coward rots in jail for the rest of his disturbed useless life.

I disagree that getting a puppy would have taken a lot of time and thinking. Unfortunately the over population of dogs means that puppies are NOT hard to come by; and I doubt that he was picky about the breed/mix.

Amandes
06-27-2012, 05:44 PM
I always wondered about the weird nose on that photo, does anybody know why it looks like a skin colored clown nose?

matou
06-27-2012, 06:05 PM
I always wondered about the weird nose on that photo, does anybody know why it looks like a skin colored clown nose?

Which photo are you referring to Amandes? Is it the one with the purple hoodie?

Sigh Sister
06-27-2012, 06:11 PM
I always wondered about the weird nose on that photo, does anybody know why it looks like a skin colored clown nose?

The nose does look strange

Shimmers
06-27-2012, 06:19 PM
The nose does look strange

Also look at the mount, i know it is very difficult since it is ffining grainy. I think luka's upperlip is fuller that this one. We need to look up a profile pic of luka and compair it with this one, i suggest. Any volunteers?? :D
Also it looks like the person in the pic is wearing glasses aswell.

Amandes
06-27-2012, 06:20 PM
Which photo are you referring to Amandes? Is it the one with the purple hoodie?

yes :)

Sigh Sister
06-27-2012, 06:52 PM
Also look at the mount, i know it is very difficult since it is ffining grainy. I think luka's upperlip is fuller that this one. We need to look up a profile pic of luka and compair it with this one, i suggest. Any volunteers?? :D
Also it looks like the person in the pic is wearing glasses aswell.

The lips look right to me, but the nose....

I didn't notice the glasses before, but I see what you're talking about,

popoju
06-27-2012, 07:19 PM
I don't believe it was on liveleak, but the widely circulated copy may have been from 'theync' as their tag is stamped all over the most frequently circulating copy. Now i wished I'd kept that orig one to see if it had the pic at the end.
So possibly some sites did some editing of their own on the video.it was on liveleak......and still is

Haunted82
06-27-2012, 07:19 PM
The lips look right to me, but the nose....

I didn't notice the glasses before, but I see what you're talking about,

Likely did doctor it a bit prior to uploading it. That way it could cast some doubt as to its authenticity. All part of the game.

Sigh Sister
06-27-2012, 07:32 PM
Likely did doctor it a bit prior to uploading it. That way it could cast some doubt as to its authenticity. All part of the game.

That's what I'm thinking. It would fit with his claims that he is being framed by his "insane agent".

thefreshestthing
06-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Well that picture was released weeks before the murder even took place. The face has clearly been "painted".

thefreshestthing
06-28-2012, 11:56 AM
Can we talk about his porn here? I can't create a new thread.

The simulated humping in the kill vid is just as passionless as in his porn work. My guess is that he's asexual. Very common in sociopaths, which is why a large portion call themselves bisexual. Due to the lack of a real investment in the sex itself, the gender of the partner is really irrelevant.

My guess is that for Luka, sex was another useful tool for manipulation, and a bridge for his darker more violent urges.

mrs hunt
06-30-2012, 09:09 AM
I was wondering about the ice...does anyone know that local area,where could Luka have bought that much ice..did I understand there was an ice machine there??
did he have it there when Jun Lin arrived and how did he explaine that?
did he have Jun Lin bring some??? could go to sure guilt at the trial
can anyone guess as to the ammount shown and how fast it would have melted

is it possible to mail something in dry ice{but I know it would weigh more too}

Haunted82
06-30-2012, 11:03 AM
I mentioned it in another thread, if you're referring to the parts in the tub (that quick still shot in the vid at the end thats so fast you have to pause it to actually look at) that may be water droplets instead of ice. It appears they were in the tub to either be rinsed or temporarly stored. If it is ice, you can easily buy bags of ice at most variety stores. He could have bought it after the killing for all we know, or just had it sitting in the tub. There is a variety store just next to the building by the Place Lucy side called AKK Depanneur, so he was literally a few steps away.

Mozzmo
06-30-2012, 01:30 PM
RE: "Pre-release" photo

I agree that it could be challenging to definitively ID the person in the photo as LM. Still, I believe there could be lots of circumstantial evidence in that photo that makes it compelling. If LE found the wig, poster, clothing and/or ice pick at the crime scene or in LM's belongings upon arrest. Maybe other photos could be used showing LM wearing the hoodie and/or wig....and we know he posted other pics of him with the poster in the background. Perhaps some sort of specialist could compare LM's profile with that observed in the photo and confirm that the profile is "consistent" with that of LM. If numerous points of information come together that support the photo is consistent with that being LM, that along with all the apt evidence is pretty damning IMO.

OEJ
07-01-2012, 08:01 AM
I screwed up yesterday by putting a post about this video in the "Lin Jun's Head" thread, so I thought I'd bring the topic here before I derail the other discussion.

I had a strange experience of attempting to watch this video with music but kept my eyes shut through most of it. Then, I watched it all the way through without music on a second try only to realize I could barely remember what I had just watched.

vorpal22 mentioned having a similar experience with accompanying depression for several days, so I thought maybe it might help to talk about how people are coping with having been exposed to this video.

Personally, I've had some depression from trying to view it. My broken heart won't let my mind fully comprehend it. Many reactions I've seen outside Websleuths have been little easier to bare with comments like how boring the video is or how wonderful Magnotta is for having made this abomination.

italianWSfan
07-01-2012, 09:28 AM
My video (and this case) experience, if anyone is interested:

I watched it about 2 times when the case hit the news. To be honest, I did very well - I think I have the ability to distance myself a bit through the computer screen and because I didnt know much about Jun Lin, LM and the rest of the case, it was not that bad for me.
However - I then started to learn more about the murder, joined your wonderful webite, read ALL the many pages on here. I learned about the poor victim Jun Lin, saw his photos and his bright smile. I learned about LM, who in some pics and videos seems so arrogant its unbearable - and in some, to me, he seems pretty normal. I also learned about Canada, how and when exactly the crime happened and a lot more. All that time I never watched it again.
Then I felt the need to check something once more in the video and went back to see it. But this time I was overwhelmed. I could not watch, it made me really sick, sad and angry. I was surprised by how much my emotions had changed. I even had the impression of being able to smell the bloody mattress, and that was the point when I closed the site and decided to never watch it again and let Jun Lin rest in peace.
Also, when I first talked to my boyfriend about the murder 2 weeks ago, I described him some details and then all of a sudden I felt very sick. I was probably imagining to dismember a human body myself, actively, and that was too much. I dont mind reading about disturbing details, but talking about it went too far for me.
Strange, huh :)
But I have to say I am very happy that I indeed felt sick and sad at some point, I was a little scared of myself at first because I thought I wouldnt have any empathy or emotions at all.
I dont know if I regret watching it... I realised that I forget the content very fast. I somehow felt bad for watching it because LM actually put the video in the web because he wanted people to see it, and I feel like doing him a favour by watching it. I also feel like doing him a favour every time I write a post about this case on here. I imagine him getting out of prison someday in the future (dont hope so, but I dont know!) and reading everything on here and feeling very good.

And something else is my mind these days (sorry for the long post, I feel the need to share it)...
There will be for sure similiar stories in the future, murders being uploaded on the internet, for the fame and attention.
And just because a few idiots just like LM (and the disturbed people who enjoy child pornography) need to do such senseless ********, the internet will change completely and get more and more censored.
The world wide web is such a great invention that can be used for so many good things - but the dark side of humans will make it impossible to use.

LM is a loser. The world doesnt need him anymore.

Jujercu
07-02-2012, 11:36 PM
Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

Donyale
07-03-2012, 12:23 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

OMG, I've just watched the youtube comparison and the chest and underarm hair does look like it belongs to Magnotta, not JL. I can't discuss any further since I never watched the killvid, but it looked like LM in my opinion. Strange

HastingsChi
07-03-2012, 01:07 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

Just watched it and now I have more questions than answers...
Certainly another potential twist...

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katriana
07-03-2012, 01:29 AM
OMG, I've just watched the youtube comparison and the chest and underarm hair does look like it belongs to Magnotta, not JL. I can't discuss any further since I never watched the killvid, but it looked like LM in my opinion. Strange

i just watched the beginning of the video again, where it shows someone alive, but blindfolded and a mask around his jaw (like bank robbers in the old west used, you know?) and then i fast forwarded it to a shot of the body after it is not alive, and it seems the pec muscles are very different, more formed, not flat like the first part...more like what jun lin's were depicted like in photo's of him without a shirt on...i find that really weird, i am now thinking the beginning part is not lin at all...you don't see lin being actually killed in the video, it is edited...(and to be clear, the dead body has pec's like lins, i know some have said muscles look different laying down, but these two parts were different, the live body were really flat and not 'worked out', so to speak)...pretty strange, opens up a whole new realm of questions for me...

misstyker
07-03-2012, 02:42 AM
i just watched the beginning of the video again, where it shows someone alive, but blindfolded and a mask around his jaw (like bank robbers in the old west used, you know?) and then i fast forwarded it to a shot of the body after it is not alive, and it seems the pec muscles are very different, more formed, not flat like the first part...more like what jun lin's were depicted like in photo's of him without a shirt on...i find that really weird, i am now thinking the beginning part is not lin at all...you don't see lin being actually killed in the video, it is edited...(and to be clear, the dead body has pec's like lins, i know some have said muscles look different laying down, but these two parts were different, the live body were really flat and not 'worked out', so to speak)...pretty strange, opens up a whole new realm of questions for me...

I watched the whole video again, and I agree with you. The first part seems to show somebody tied up, but not Jun Lin. This leads me to question whether, Jun Lin and Magnotta were "playing" before the murder, you know like sexual role-play. Who knows maybe that is Luka himself being tied up in the beginning and Jun filming? Then they switch, and that's when Luka decides to become evil and sadistic?

I dunno, but after analyzing the video more, I'm still puzzled.

Sunday
07-03-2012, 03:22 AM
I mentioned it in another thread, if you're referring to the parts in the tub (that quick still shot in the vid at the end thats so fast you have to pause it to actually look at) that may be water droplets instead of ice. It appears they were in the tub to either be rinsed or temporarly stored. If it is ice, you can easily buy bags of ice at most variety stores. He could have bought it after the killing for all we know, or just had it sitting in the tub. There is a variety store just next to the building by the Place Lucy side called AKK Depanneur, so he was literally a few steps away.
I won't watch the video again and didn't give that much thought other than thinking that they were probably soap bubbles. I recall thinking the parts all looked particularly clean so perhaps that's why soap came to mind rather than ice or anything more logical.

Jujercu
07-03-2012, 08:30 AM
Just watched it and now I have more questions than answers...
Certainly another potential twist...

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Me too! That nose thing...and the feet! They are both LMs features not JL. I am thinking more than ever now that the alive person in the video is not JL. It would explain a lot but yes..it also opens up a whole new set of questions. :banghead:

Jujercu
07-03-2012, 09:07 AM
I do think there is more than meets the eye. Why would he disguise himself in the video yet make obvious references in the video that it was him? (Casablanca post for example) I still think the " stabber" in the video might not be LM either...too thick..different body structure IMO

We have been assuming it was JL and LM each in their respective roles...but I think that might not be the case ...thinking the alive JL isn't JL ..the people who did that research are also Asian and would be sensitive to Asian features...something i never paid attention to before..I think they make an amazing point with that video they made...kudos to them!

Just my opinion but it's been weeks now and I can't shake those feelings. I keep going back to it. Something definitely isn't as it appears in this video...

HastingsChi
07-03-2012, 09:26 AM
Me too! That nose thing...and the feet! They are both LMs features not JL. I am thinking more than ever now that the alive person in the video is not JL. It would explain a lot but yes..it also opens up a whole new set of questions. :banghead:

I am shifting towards agreeing with what you're saying.

I've long thought that Magnotta didn't fight extradition because he has something up his sleeve that he's confident will exonerate him. While I don't think this is it, I think it certainly might be part of it.

Btw I noticed the YouTube video was posted last week; how did we miss it until now?

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katriana
07-03-2012, 09:29 AM
I watched the whole video again, and I agree with you. The first part seems to show somebody tied up, but not Jun Lin. This leads me to question whether, Jun Lin and Magnotta were "playing" before the murder, you know like sexual role-play. Who knows maybe that is Luka himself being tied up in the beginning and Jun filming? Then they switch, and that's when Luka decides to become evil and sadistic?

I dunno, but after analyzing the video more, I'm still puzzled.


i am inclined to think he killed lin in a rage/passion and didn't film it, but did film himself desecrating the body...to make his little movie more sinister, he filmed the first part and that is why the beginning goes from someone alive right to someone dead without a killing scene...(i am just speculating here)...it always struck me as a little odd that there was no kill scene in this video, and perhaps the reason it is not there is because it was not filmed...or perhaps there is more to the video that he edited out, i have heard that LE has a longer version of the video, but don't know if that is a fact or just a rumour at this point...too many questions, not enough answers, very frustrating...

AudreyRose
07-03-2012, 10:47 AM
I personally think it's text book LM to sneak a clip of his own naked/bound body at the beginning of the video. I'm sure the idea of millions of people unknowingly looking at his nude body would be a great thrill for him.

Of course, that begs the question: who tied him up and filmed it? Could it have been a clip from a video filmed at a different time/date? Was it JL prior to his death, thinking they were just having some consensual fun?

Silverlona
07-03-2012, 11:12 AM
My 1 post...

Iīve only watched the first minute of the video so far
because there was something odd with the
first minute.

In the beginning of the video thereīs a clip
of someone holding the icepick with the
casablana poster in the background.
This pic was taken before the video was made
but added later so ignore that clip.

Next clip (1)
shows someone (A)
toutching the face of a person (B).

Third clip (2)
shows someone (A)
sitting on top of a person (B).

I think it was videotaped in this order (So far..):

1. Clip 2 and itīs showed backwards.
(If you watch this clip backwards you can see A put something away,
on the right, next to Bīs head.
Then A sitting on top of B and itīs cut.

Maybe A gave B some drug with a syringe,
but canīt be seen because it was cut right there.

2. Clip 2 showes A put itīs the knee on the bed and
do something with itīs hand on Bīs face.

Maybe A is checking to see if B is alive/counscious?

Thatīs what I got so far...
Confused?! =)

Mozzmo
07-03-2012, 11:29 AM
I do think there is more than meets the eye. Why would he disguise himself in the video yet make obvious references in the video that it was him? (Casablanca post for example) I still think the " stabber" in the video might not be LM either...too thick..different body structure IMO

We have been assuming it was JL and LM each in their respective roles...but I think that might not be the case ...thinking the alive JL isn't JL ..the people who did that research are also Asian and would be sensitive to Asian features...something i never paid attention to before..I think they make an amazing point with that video they made...kudos to them!

Just my opinion but it's been weeks now and I can't shake those feelings. I keep going back to it. Something definitely isn't as it appears in this video...

I definitely agree that the people who researched the Asian features illuminated something non-Asians would not be likely to notice as readily. Really good work on their part. If this is accurate and it is LM in the live shot, then it could reflect a role play vignette. This would sync with the CL post that sought the male to "act in a video without pay". I find it hard to imagine JL as answering a post like that but one never knows. Even if he did not answer the post and the two knew each other in another way, it would seem JL was down with the role play. Perhaps LM went first to being tied up as another means of disarming JL so that he'd be more trusting and easier to manage once he was tied up?

I am open to the possibility that someone else was involved, a 3rd person present, but struggle getting too much into that theory because there's been no evidence that definitively indicates that. Yes, the dude sitting on JL looks a bit bulky, but is that the loose fitting clothing or another LM attempt to disguise himself? The apt was loaded with evidence. I would like to believe that if another person's dna, finger prints, shoe prints or images found on the unedited version were found that the LE would alert the public that a second killer is on the loose...

thefreshestthing
07-03-2012, 11:58 AM
I dont think it's Luka tied up. I've seen his naked body a lot recently and that's not him. The nose does look like Jun's - the comparison isn't very apt since they don't use the same angle.

But what is this about him having a boyfriend and being very much in love? That's news to me!

Silverlona
07-03-2012, 11:58 AM
Oh.. "2. Clip 2" should have been 2. Clip 1. Dont know how to edit by post.

Karmady
07-03-2012, 03:45 PM
I dont think it's Luka tied up. I've seen his naked body a lot recently and that's not him. The nose does look like Jun's - the comparison isn't very apt since they don't use the same angle.

But what is this about him having a boyfriend and being very much in love? That's news to me!

Agree. I watched that video and was like "really?" To me, it doesn't even look close. While I couldn't swear that the person is Lin Jun, there's no question in my mind that it's not lm. And it certainly looks a lot like Lin Jun, also imo. Especially the nose and the build.

Jujercu
07-03-2012, 03:55 PM
I am shifting towards agreeing with what you're saying.

I've long thought that Magnotta didn't fight extradition because he has something up his sleeve that he's confident will exonerate him. While I don't think this is it, I think it certainly might be part of it.

Btw I noticed the YouTube video was posted last week; how did we miss it until now?

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I have no idea...I was doing some googling about this case...as I do every night ( to wind down...funny huh) and I found it...then remembered the Chinese poster on WS a few weeks back talking about the nose ...based on the other vids posted about JL with his friends...I am assuming the person who posted on YouTube is also the Chinese WS poster from a few weeks ago but can't remember the Name they posted under to ask them more questions.

Jujercu
07-03-2012, 05:23 PM
I dont think it's Luka tied up. I've seen his naked body a lot recently and that's not him. The nose does look like Jun's - the comparison isn't very apt since they don't use the same angle.

But what is this about him having a boyfriend and being very much in love? That's news to me!

Again...it seems the person who posted those photos was friends with JL or friends with his friends. So maybe they knew something...or are just trying to let everyone know that JL was not involved romantically with LM which is what all the MSM outlets are saying...or some are still saying, grrrr

italianWSfan
07-03-2012, 05:50 PM
I dont know but I do think that the man lying on the bed is Jun Lin, from the beginning until the end.
The only thing really really strange is the sneeze. The camera is moving around at the time of the sneeze, LM has it in his hands and is even zooming in and out on the puppy. But the camera does not shake the slightest bit!
This is impossible!?
That sneeze is the only reason why I havent ruled out an accomplice yet.
:moo:

HastingsChi
07-03-2012, 10:02 PM
I have no idea...I was doing some googling about this case...as I do every night ( to wind down...funny huh) and I found it...then remembered the Chinese poster on WS a few weeks back talking about the nose ...based on the other vids posted about JL with his friends...I am assuming the person who posted on YouTube is also the Chinese WS poster from a few weeks ago but can't remember the Name they posted under to ask them more questions.

Great discovery Jujercu! You don't know how much I appreciate you sharing it and hate the questions it raises...

While I've become somewhat of an expert on everything Magnotta is into sexually and documented himself doing sexually, I'm clueless about the victim's interests. I fully support the WS policy on not sleuthing the victim, but I wish I had done some personal recon in the first days after the crime on Lin's interests to help fill in the blanks...

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HastingsChi
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Watching the other videos that had JL in them were difficult. Such a sweet guy..and to actually see him moving in a video was a whole new level ..until I found those videos I had only seen his pictures, what an amazing guy with friends who truly enjoyed his company. Something LM never ever had.

Yes, it was nice to see him in video form with friends being happy. Considering the only video images I had previously seen of him were horrific, I found the other, happier video footage of him to be therapeutic for me. Makes me appreciate you sharing the link even more because I found those other videos in the user's profile.

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Jujercu
07-03-2012, 10:57 PM
I dont know but I do think that the man lying on the bed is Jun Lin, from the beginning until the end.
The only thing really really strange is the sneeze. The camera is moving around at the time of the sneeze, LM has it in his hands and is even zooming in and out on the puppy. But the camera does not shake the slightest bit!
This is impossible!?
That sneeze is the only reason why I havent ruled out an accomplice yet.
:moo:

I heard the sneeze but didn't note the camera didn't move when it happened. Good find....odd...something else to confuse us..oh joy. Lol

sillybilly
07-03-2012, 11:21 PM
I heard the sneeze but didn't note the camera didn't move when it happened. Good find....odd...something else to confuse us..oh joy. Lol

I have not watched the video, but do you think the sneeze could have been the puppy?

Haunted82
07-03-2012, 11:52 PM
I have not watched the video, but do you think the sneeze could have been the puppy?

No, there are 2 sneezes in succession, and they are definitely from a human.

Jujercu
07-04-2012, 12:00 AM
No, there are 2 sneezes in succession, and they are definitely from a human.

I agree they are human.

claudicici
07-04-2012, 02:53 AM
My video (and this case) experience, if anyone is interested:

I watched it about 2 times when the case hit the news. To be honest, I did very well - I think I have the ability to distance myself a bit through the computer screen and because I didnt know much about Jun Lin, LM and the rest of the case, it was not that bad for me.
However - I then started to learn more about the murder, joined your wonderful webite, read ALL the many pages on here. I learned about the poor victim Jun Lin, saw his photos and his bright smile. I learned about LM, who in some pics and videos seems so arrogant its unbearable - and in some, to me, he seems pretty normal. I also learned about Canada, how and when exactly the crime happened and a lot more. All that time I never watched it again.
Then I felt the need to check something once more in the video and went back to see it. But this time I was overwhelmed. I could not watch, it made me really sick, sad and angry. I was surprised by how much my emotions had changed. I even had the impression of being able to smell the bloody mattress, and that was the point when I closed the site and decided to never watch it again and let Jun Lin rest in peace.
Also, when I first talked to my boyfriend about the murder 2 weeks ago, I described him some details and then all of a sudden I felt very sick. I was probably imagining to dismember a human body myself, actively, and that was too much. I dont mind reading about disturbing details, but talking about it went too far for me.
Strange, huh :)
But I have to say I am very happy that I indeed felt sick and sad at some point, I was a little scared of myself at first because I thought I wouldnt have any empathy or emotions at all.
I dont know if I regret watching it... I realised that I forget the content very fast. I somehow felt bad for watching it because LM actually put the video in the web because he wanted people to see it, and I feel like doing him a favour by watching it. I also feel like doing him a favour every time I write a post about this case on here. I imagine him getting out of prison someday in the future (dont hope so, but I dont know!) and reading everything on here and feeling very good.

And something else is my mind these days (sorry for the long post, I feel the need to share it)...
There will be for sure similiar stories in the future, murders being uploaded on the internet, for the fame and attention.
And just because a few idiots just like LM (and the disturbed people who enjoy child pornography) need to do such senseless ********, the internet will change completely and get more and more censored.
The world wide web is such a great invention that can be used for so many good things - but the dark side of humans will make it impossible to use.

LM is a loser. The world doesnt need him anymore.

I had the exact same reaction,the first time I saw it I was shocked by how little it affected me but after getting to know JunLin and reading so much about the case I can not bring myself to watch it,there's just no way and I am also relieved that those emotions kicked in.
Part of me wants to watch it again because there is so much that's still a mystery but I just can't....
Thank you for linking to the live footage of Jun Lin that was much needed because at times part of me starts feeling sorry for LM and this makes me realize that no matter how much he ever went through he is a sick discusting creature that has lost the right for empathy with his actions.

Silverlona
07-04-2012, 05:56 AM
The audio isnīt from when he made the video,
itīs from when he put the video together.
That means that the dog was still alive so if he killed it,
it must have been after he put the video together.
You can hear cars go by outside.
Maybe it was somewhere around 9 am?!

italianWSfan
07-04-2012, 08:44 AM
The audio isnīt from when he made the video,
itīs from when he put the video together.
That means that the dog was still alive so if he killed it,
it must have been after he put the video together.
You can hear cars go by outside.
Maybe it was somewhere around 9 am?!

Why do you think the audio could not be from the video?

I think it is. The only thing LM added is the New Order song, but after that, the audio matches IMO.
The bed is making noises, and those match with LMs movements. Also you can hear him walk around and grab the camera.
I dont remember hearing cars, but there was a constant beeping noise, but it was not monotone, it always changed going faster and slower.
Anyone know what that noise could have been?

Silverlona
07-04-2012, 11:46 AM
First of all, maybe there are other "versions"
of "1L1I".
I've got the one that shows the photo
in the beginning, that was used to promote the
video on youtube.
In the end he's lying on the
bed and doing *you know what* with JL's hand,
and it's followed by photos of the crime.
There's a Best(Gore)dotcom mark on it too.

Second, I belive he was alone in the room,
except for the dog and Jun Lin.

Here's what I hear.

Audio Layer 1:
Loud New order song.
Put there with some kind of
software.
Maybe the video editing software he
used to put the video together.

Audio Layer 2:
(I belive he was recording this audio while he
edited the video.)
In the background, at the same time,
it's the same New Order song.
When the song ends I hear someone walking around (?),
even when he isn't doing that in the vid.
I can hear him touching the camera by
the sound that the mic picks up,
but some of the times I hear it when he isn't
near the camera.

If the mic was capturing the audio while he
was doing the crime,
there are sounds you should be able to hear,
that you don't.
There's also sounds you hear, when you shouldn't.

And can you hear that the audio cut
when the video is cut? I can't.

I shouldn't have written "You can hear cars go by outside",
rather "It sounds like cars go by outside".
I just recognize that dull sound of motors from when I've
recorded audio where there is traffic.

I'm trying to hear if the audio can be out of sync,
but my opinion now is that it's not the audio from
the killing etc.

By the way, I hear that beeping sound too..
I wonder what that could be..

Haunted82
07-04-2012, 03:10 PM
First of all, maybe there are other "versions"
of "1L1I".
I've got the one that shows the photo
in the beginning, that was used to promote the
video on youtube.
In the end he's lying on the
bed and doing *you know what* with JL's hand,
and it's followed by photos of the crime.
There's a Best(Gore)dotcom mark on it too.

Second, I belive he was alone in the room,
except for the dog and Jun Lin.

Here's what I hear.

Audio Layer 1:
Loud New order song.
Put there with some kind of
software.
Maybe the video editing software he
used to put the video together.

Audio Layer 2:
(I belive he was recording this audio while he
edited the video.)
In the background, at the same time,
it's the same New Order song.
When the song ends I hear someone walking around (?),
even when he isn't doing that in the vid.
I can hear him touching the camera by
the sound that the mic picks up,
but some of the times I hear it when he isn't
near the camera.

If the mic was capturing the audio while he
was doing the crime,
there are sounds you should be able to hear,
that you don't.
There's also sounds you hear, when you shouldn't.

And can you hear that the audio cut
when the video is cut? I can't.

I shouldn't have written "You can hear cars go by outside",
rather "It sounds like cars go by outside".
I just recognize that dull sound of motors from when I've
recorded audio where there is traffic.

I'm trying to hear if the audio can be out of sync,
but my opinion now is that it's not the audio from
the killing etc.

By the way, I hear that beeping sound too..
I wonder what that could be..

Yes, there are 2 versions of the video, the one you describe with the title and promo photo at the beginning, and the promo photo at the end. The most common version circulating edits out the pics at the start and end for some reason. It seems once BG pulled it offline, ync or one of the others
edited it (why i have no idea, its an important part of the video leaving it intact). Your observations are very accurate. It would appear he was playing the True Faith song live during filming . Someone else in an earlier thread wondered why there was a table sitting on the end of the bed. This was used to sit the camera on.

Silverlona
07-04-2012, 03:52 PM
So the version I've got is the one that was first uploaded?!

I didn't mean that the "second audio" was recorded while he
was filming the crime.
I think it was recorded while he edited the video.

But I still haven't tried to figure out if the "second audio"
is in fact from when he was filming the video.
As I wrote, there's no cuts in the "second audio".
So maybe he edited the video,
put the audio in it, from when he was filming
and ontop of that he put another audio layer on,
the loud New Order song.

Haunted82
07-04-2012, 04:56 PM
So the version I've got is the one that was first uploaded?!

I didn't mean that the "second audio" was recorded while he
was filming the crime.
I think it was recorded while he edited the video.

But I still haven't tried to figure out if the "second audio"
is in fact from when he was filming the video.
As I wrote, there's no cuts in the "second audio".
So maybe he edited the video,
put the audio in it, from when he was filming
and ontop of that he put another audio layer on,
the loud New Order song.

For the first half of the video, when you hear the loud New Order song (from the beginning), that was overdubbed with the regular audio while editing. When that songs ends, the orig 'ambience' and audio of the room, including a distant version of the new order song continues as is , live.

Silverlona
07-05-2012, 05:56 AM
..When that songs ends, the orig 'ambience' and audio of the room, including a distant version of the new order song continues as is , live.

I'm not sure I understand that part..
English isn't my main language, you know.

Haunted82
07-05-2012, 11:16 AM
I'm not sure I understand that part..
English isn't my main language, you know.

It just means as the dubbed in loud song fades out, beginning around 5:30 into the video, the original sound resumes that was recorded.

AudreyRose
07-05-2012, 03:03 PM
I haven't (and won't) watch the video, but I'm curious about the sound and background noises. It would be helpful if someone could create a file with all of the audio, but none of the video. Anyone know if this exists?

Silverlona
07-05-2012, 04:43 PM
It's a louder New order song playing.
In the background there's the same song.
When the louder NO song ends,
the same NO song keeps playing in the background.
When the song ends, there's a dog barking once and
then "whining"? once,
a couple of sneezes, some sort of alarm (might be an
automatic firealarm or something),
maybe some trafficsound and that's it, I think.
Haven't gone through the vid so much, yet.

italianWSfan
07-05-2012, 04:46 PM
I haven't (and won't) watch the video, but I'm curious about the sound and background noises. It would be helpful if someone could create a file with all of the audio, but none of the video. Anyone know if this exists?

I extracted the audio online and uploaded the mp3 on filedropper. Just download it. Please tell me if it works.

http://www.filedropper.com/thujul052218272012

Silverlona
07-05-2012, 05:01 PM
Worked! Thanks!

Jujercu
07-05-2012, 05:18 PM
Yes, there are 2 versions of the video, the one you describe with the title and promo photo at the beginning, and the promo photo at the end. The most common version circulating edits out the pics at the start and end for some reason. It seems once BG pulled it offline, ync or one of the others
edited it (why i have no idea, its an important part of the video leaving it intact). Your observations are very accurate. It would appear he was playing the True Faith song live during filming . Someone else in an earlier thread wondered why there was a table sitting on the end of the bed. This was used to sit the camera on.

Since best gore is the first one to upload the video and also the people to put two and two together and figure out if was LM in the beginning that they inserted the hype promo pic in the beginning and the end? Since they are the only ones to have that version...it would make sense to me to add the hype picture to the video to give the veiwer the whole experience. Just a thought.

Jujercu
07-05-2012, 05:20 PM
So the version I've got is the one that was first uploaded?!

I didn't mean that the "second audio" was recorded while he
was filming the crime.
I think it was recorded while he edited the video.

But I still haven't tried to figure out if the "second audio"
is in fact from when he was filming the video.
As I wrote, there's no cuts in the "second audio".
So maybe he edited the video,
put the audio in it, from when he was filming
and ontop of that he put another audio layer on,
the loud New Order song.
From watching the video it seems to me like the new order song was also playing in real time during the dismemberment but wasn't loud enough so he dubbed it in. IMO

Haunted82
07-05-2012, 06:58 PM
Since best gore is the first one to upload the video and also the people to put two and two together and figure out if was LM in the beginning that they inserted the hype promo pic in the beginning and the end? Since they are the only ones to have that version...it would make sense to me to add the hype picture to the video to give the veiwer the whole experience. Just a thought.


Actually, in the 4chan, the user '(ID: blUNJBxK) ' { source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6aIS1EDWBCkJ:chanarchive.org/4chan/b/47050+http://chanarchive.org/4chan/b/47050.&cd=1&hl=pt-BR&ct=clnk&gl=br&client=firefox-a } who many believe to have been Luka commenting from Paris, actually made reference to the clues in the video including the 'picture' at the start/end. I was flustered because I had never seen that version, until the other day when I finally did (pulled it off torrent, of all places). So, this was the original format, presumably uploaded by LRM, and posted to BestGore. A friend of mine pointed out that a probably reasoning for editing out the intro and ending text and pictures was done by the other main site to host it at that time called 'ync'. They wanted to edit it and cut out Bestgores's big label under it to release as their own. Bestgore's servers were totally overloaded that first week so people (myself included) were being directed to other sites who had the cut version.
I was glad I was finally able to solve that little mystery. Those who had seen the original all along had no clue what those of us were talking about ... hahaha (what do you mean no picture!? its RIGHT THERE!) .

Haunted82
07-05-2012, 07:02 PM
From watching the video it seems to me like the new order song was also playing in real time during the dismemberment but wasn't loud enough so he dubbed it in. IMO

Absolutely correct, and if you listen real closely as the dubbed song fades in the 5min 30sec area, you can start to clearly hear the real time audio in background so as a layer it was always on there all the way through. I guess he was playing it off his laptop speaker or phone device, its very tinny.

OEJ
07-05-2012, 07:37 PM
One of Luka's sockpuppets, Lindawilliams on youtube uploaded the still on May26th with a link in the description to the YNC site. The owner of BestGore said someone, not Luka, brought his attention to it. So YNC had it provided to them by Luka first.

Baudi Moovan
07-05-2012, 08:19 PM
I think I am the only one that doesnt believe that 4chan user was Luka. At all.

Ive been wrong before though :)

OEJ
07-05-2012, 08:51 PM
I think I am the only one that doesnt believe that 4chan user was Luka. At all.

Ive been wrong before though :)

I don't think it's Luka, either

Haunted82
07-06-2012, 12:20 AM
I don't think it's Luka, either

Well, I'll just pull a few quotes from the 4chan thread that are just too knowledgable, IMO, to be anybody else. As you know in the thread, the user 'blUNJBxK' continues to switch between 1st person and 3rd person. These are just a sampling of quotes that seem too strange to be said on May 30th when the whole world was just beginning to be tuned into the case...
--------------
"he was already dead by that stage, his throat was cut before he was introduced to mr ice pick."

-- how would he know the order of operations?

------------

- ID: blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)20:02:04 No.403093528

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

-- (above) in 1st person now. would a troll go to that length to make such a comment?

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ID: blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)20:06:39 No.403094415

he did it to drain the blood, cutting the throat and letting all the blood drain would make dismembering the body easier, he was wanting to have a continuous video including cutting the arms and legs of, the only way to accomplish this was to cut the throat and let all the blood drain first.

-- back to 3rd person again, but , again, too much information.

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ID: blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)21:25:18 No.403110504

true but this is due to the cultural brain washing of society, i about luka will care weather it is fame or infamy that is bestowed upon him. i imagine notoriety is what he wanted and the show looks to be just getting started.

-- in 3rd person, 'just getting started' .. as in the note "more killings" ? , which I only recall being reported as early as May 31....

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ID: blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)21:38:03 No.403113425

yes, the reports say luka knew the person who was involved, although the gentleman linked in the post below seems to believe he was lukas second choice for the movie

-- Well, very interesting, so this refers to the former actor, McKinnon from the Decarie building who was invited down but declined. Was that story even public yet on the 30th? Don't think so !

--------

And there were many other comments as well.
As always, just my opinion, but if that's a troll, that was one slick well informed troll who had a lot of info, opinions and statements to make on the first day of the case being publicly covered.

zvzvzv
07-06-2012, 12:45 AM
"There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing."

this is from American Psycho, copied & pasted just like luka's more intelligent appearing postings.

OEJ
07-06-2012, 01:05 AM
blUNJBxK said the animal in the video was a cat, but it wasn't. It was a pup.

ToBeHonest
07-06-2012, 01:27 AM
blUNJBxK said the animal in the video was a cat, but it wasn't. It was a pup.

This was the disparity I noticed also. I agree, though, that this person, even if they are not Luka, has a lot of information that seems to indicate they know what went on behind the scenes, they could be guessing, but if they are it sounds eerily similar to what you would guess Luka was thinking and seems creepily excited to describe the gore behind the scenes in great detail...friend/accomplice? Probably not but anything is possible.

Apple OC
07-06-2012, 02:55 AM
blUNJBxK said the animal in the video was a cat, but it wasn't. It was a pup.

Just my opinion, I don't believe the 4chan guy is Luka posting on the 30th. Whoever did post that stuff could have watched the video dozens of times (it had already been out for 4 days) To me, it seems like common speculation on his part. He did not say anything that hasn't already been said or seen.

I personally don't believe Luka did any posting on the run. IMO, I believe the last postings done by Luka are the May 24 - 25 RipOff report postings on the day of the murder. Then I think he went on the run and never posted anything, even that hour he was in the Berlin cafe, I don't believe he was posting, just looking and trying to print the passport.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Body/Tony-Luciforia.aspx

IMO, the postings by Luka on the day of the murder hold a clue somewhere?

There is another murder day posting here

http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/luka-magnotta-bisexual-male-model-and-porn-star-psychotic-behavior-and-psychopathic-tendencies-c78766.html

Donyale
07-06-2012, 02:58 AM
- ID: blUNJBxK) 05/30/12(Wed)20:02:04 No.403093528

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

-- (above) in 1st person now. would a troll go to that length to make such a comment?



That was a quote from the movie American Psycho.
He probably just did copy cut & paste from imdb on the 4chan page.
Btw, I was the one who asked about the 4chan user in some previous thread here on websleuths, one of my first posts, thread 9 or 10, I guess.

I think that's Luka but I'm no expert, I remember I wanted to ask more about it but I was a newbie and hate flame wars so I just let it go and didn't talk any further, lol. Anyway there were diverse replies, some people are totally sure it is Luka others say it is not Luka, could be the police impersonating him and trying to find out his location to arrest. Could be another perp or just a troll fooling around. So many possibilities... I think we will never know that for sure, right?

On a side note, I don't remember the police confirm if it is a dog or cat in the video, did the authorities, a credible source from the press (some major canadian newspaper) stated it was a puppy? I've read so many boards talking about it and some people who watched it several times said it was a dog others a cat even a ferret. thanks in advance

claudicici
07-06-2012, 04:26 AM
Some posters suggested this person could be that BeavisButthead guy?

Silverlona
07-06-2012, 08:22 AM
I have some "quick" notes about the audio:



New Order Song - Extended Version 05.37min

Audio:

00.00-05.44 Loud New Order song
01.19-06.56 Low New Order song

00.06-00.08 Touching camera/Mic
01.03-01.06 Touching camera/Mic
03.44-03.46 Touching camera/Mic
05.47 Touching camera/Mic
06.06-06.06 Walking around
06.10-06.19 Walking around
06.19 Hummar
06.23-06.27 Walking around

06.23-> Beeping sound

06.29 Dog barks
06.30 Moves and hits the dog?
06.31 Dog whimpers

06.55 -> Beeping sound is heard clearly

06.36 Touching camera/Mic
06.38-06.42 Walking around
06.45-06.53 Walking around
06.56-07.10 Walking around. Doing something..
07.12-07.14 Traffic
07.14-07.20 Walking around
07.25/26 Someone sneezes/coughs, far away
07.28 Again Someone sneezes/coughs, far away
07.29-07.49 Walking around
07.39 Sniffles
07.41/42 Someone shouts/talks, outside?
07.53-08.13 Walking around
08.16 Sniffles
08.20-09.03 Walking around. Doing something..
08.54-08.56 --> Strange sound, bird?
09.04-09.11 Car driving by
09.19 Sneeze
09.21 Sneeze
09.26-09.30 Touching camera/Mic
09.28-09.33 Walking around
09.37 --> Strange sound, a lighter? Inhalation? (Smoking?)
10.10-10.20 Cars drive past
10.20 Someone shouting/talking, outside?
10.23 Again Someone shouting/talking, outside?
10.24-10.26 Touching camera/Mic
10.29 Sniffles
10.32-10.33 Someone calls/talking (e.g "Yeah" ?) outside?
10.36 Sniffles
10.40 Turning sound of
10.41 End of Audio

I don't think the recorded sound is from the dismemberment.
You can record a sound on the computer in the same time as you are recording the sound around the computer.
Hope you understand..
This is just a quick note, I'm still moulding my "theory".

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 09:36 AM
blUNJBxK said the animal in the video was a cat, but it wasn't. It was a pup.

Do we know that for 100% sure yet? I do think it was a dog as well...but I can't recall any official word on it. It hasn't been found nor addressed by LE. Which is just so strange. But wondering if anyone has official word that it was a dog.

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 09:44 AM
Just my opinion, I don't believe the 4chan guy is Luka posting on the 30th. Whoever did post that stuff could have watched the video dozens of times (it had already been out for 4 days) To me, it seems like common speculation on his part. He did not say anything that hasn't already been said or seen.

I personally don't believe Luka did any posting on the run. IMO, I believe the last postings done by Luka are the May 24 - 25 RipOff report postings on the day of the murder. Then I think he went on the run and never posted anything, even that hour he was in the Berlin cafe, I don't believe he was posting, just looking and trying to print the passport.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Body/Tony-Luciforia.aspx

IMO, the postings by Luka on the day of the murder hold a clue somewhere?

There is another murder day posting here

http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/luka-magnotta-bisexual-male-model-and-porn-star-psychotic-behavior-and-psychopathic-tendencies-c78766.html
From the scam informer article...

"Are you positive all these allegations are true? Perhaps people who are less fortunate then him are jealous? Its a pretty common occurance , that when you ditch your ex friends because your moving up in life and they aren't they become jealous. *It makes sense to me. He has money, travels the world, and is model material. These allegations seem to have been started by a jilted ex lover or friend whom he ignored or forgot to call probably. *By the way what type of pathetic individual would be stalking this man? Fat people? Ugly People? or people with no lives whom are obsessed with him. Groupies!*"

The words out of LMs own mouth...his fan pages need to see that.

AudreyRose
07-06-2012, 09:50 AM
I extracted the audio online and uploaded the mp3 on filedropper. Just download it. Please tell me if it works.

http://www.filedropper.com/thujul052218272012

This is great - thank you so much! Sometimes it's easier to pick things up when you're just listening and not watching the accompanying video.

:gthanks:

AudreyRose
07-06-2012, 10:07 AM
I wonder why he was sneezing and sniffling so much during the audio (assuming LM was doing the sneezing/sniffling). Drugs? Simple allergies (allergic to dogs, maybe)? It seems like a lot of sneezing to me, for a fairly short period.

Solariis
07-06-2012, 10:21 AM
Has anyone noticed this yet? This is the first time I've seen confirmation that police DO in fact have an "unedited version" of the video. It even states that this other raw version shows him actually eating some of the parts of the body. Is this confirmed anywhere else??

This is stated right underneath the picture with the Map of the park on this site:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168912/Luka-Magnotta-case-Police-confirm-severed-head-belongs-Jun-Lin.html#ixzz1zqtVqVvF


"A second, unedited version of the video seen by police shows him eating parts of the body."

Haunted82
07-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Just my opinion, I don't believe the 4chan guy is Luka posting on the 30th. Whoever did post that stuff could have watched the video dozens of times (it had already been out for 4 days) To me, it seems like common speculation on his part. He did not say anything that hasn't already been said or seen.

I personally don't believe Luka did any posting on the run. IMO, I believe the last postings done by Luka are the May 24 - 25 RipOff report postings on the day of the murder. Then I think he went on the run and never posted anything, even that hour he was in the Berlin cafe, I don't believe he was posting, just looking and trying to print the passport.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Body/Tony-Luciforia.aspx

IMO, the postings by Luka on the day of the murder hold a clue somewhere?

There is another murder day posting here

http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/luka-magnotta-bisexual-male-model-and-porn-star-psychotic-behavior-and-psychopathic-tendencies-c78766.html

Well, he was widely believed to be actively replying to some of the youtube videos under his sockpuppet accounts , like annamansfield and rita van volkenberg, among others, right up to the point of being arrested at the cafe.
As for the other poster who pointed he mentioned a cat, instead of a dog in the video, that could have been more distortion to confuse whether it was him or not. It seemed to be an on again off again routine in that 4chan thread. Who knows for sure, but we all have our gut instincts.

Haunted82
07-06-2012, 10:45 AM
Has anyone noticed this yet? This is the first time I've seen confirmation that police DO in fact have an "unedited version" of the video. It even states that this other raw version shows him actually eating some of the parts of the body. Is this confirmed anywhere else??

This is stated right underneath the picture with the Map of the park on this site:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168912/Luka-Magnotta-case-Police-confirm-severed-head-belongs-Jun-Lin.html#ixzz1zqtVqVvF


"A second, unedited version of the video seen by police shows him eating parts of the body."

I think that may be misinterpreted and sensationalized for media. Unless someone can show me a link from police actually saying that, I don't believe that to be true. I remember police saying in one of their press conferences, gross as it was, the raw video also indicates that MAY have taken place. It was suggested, but the original video never shows it. Two possible reasons... one, it never happened (which I believe) , or two ... it wasn't shown on the released video because it would show too much of his face.
IF it was captured on the recovered raw video then we'll know, but as much as he simulated the necrophilia, I believe the cannabilism was only suggested and simulated as well. The raw video recovered was only 15 mins, so, less than 5 mins longer, which isn't a whole lot of time for extra content.
People/Media will stretch anything for sensationalism. I've seen postings on other boards where people say they heard the raw video included more dismemberment and the victim screaming ... how would they know? The video's never been released nor talked about!

Solariis
07-06-2012, 10:58 AM
I think that may be misinterpreted and sensationalized for media. Unless someone can show me a link from police actually saying that, I don't believe that to be true. I remember police saying in one of their press conferences, gross as it was, the raw video also indicates that MAY have taken place. It was suggested, but the original video never shows it. Two possible reasons... one, it never happened (which I believe) , or two ... it wasn't shown on the released video because it would show too much of his face.
IF it was captured on the recovered raw video then we'll know, but as much as he simulated the necrophilia, I believe the cannabilism was only suggested and simulated as well. The raw video recovered was only 15 mins, so, less than 5 mins longer, which isn't a whole lot of time for extra content.
People/Media will stretch anything for sensationalism. I've seen postings on other boards where people say they heard the raw video included more dismemberment and the victim screaming ... how would they know? The video's never been released nor talked about!

I can't help but agree with you in almost every aspect you mentioned. Everything you said makes complete sense and logic applies that there's a very good chance it is simply media tactics and not verifiable fact. The only reason I thought this was even a remotely true possibility was due to the fact that the article was just posted yesterday and that perhaps it was new information on the case. Again though, as you stated, I want a verifiable source, such as LE, to confirm this before I will believe this without a doubt.

If said statement turns out to be true though, this would mean they do have LM's face shown in the video. How else could they show him "eating" the body parts without his face being visible or at least partially visible?

Haunted82
07-06-2012, 11:03 AM
I can't help but agree with you in almost every aspect you mentioned. Everything you said makes complete sense and logic applies that there's a very good chance it is simply media tactics and not verifiable fact. The only reason I thought this was even a remotely true possibility was due to the fact that the article was just posted yesterday and that perhaps it was new information on the case. Again though, as you stated, I want a verifiable source, such as LE, to confirm this before I will believe this without a doubt.

If said statement turns out to be true though, this would mean they do have LM's face shown in the video. How else could they show him "eating" the body parts without his face being visible or at least partially visible?

Unless he did a side shot, with the hoodie still masking most of his face and dimly lit room where u could see him put the fork up to his head. But, I believe he would have included that in the orig video, that would have guaranteed more shock and outrage. So, until otherwise proven, I'm not a believer cannabilism ever actually occured.

Silverlona
07-06-2012, 11:28 AM
I wonder why he was sneezing and sniffling so much during the audio (assuming LM was doing the sneezing/sniffling). Drugs? Simple allergies (allergic to dogs, maybe)? It seems like a lot of sneezing to me, for a fairly short period.

LRM only sneezed twice.
Someone outside or in another apartment sneezed (Sounds like it.) twice.
The sniffling could be allergy, or was he catching a cold?
Was it just bad habit or did it have something to do with drugs?
If so, was he on a drug at the time or was the cause snorting drugs years ago?
Interesting questions...

AudreyRose
07-06-2012, 11:38 AM
LRM only sneezed twice.
Someone outside or in another apartment sneezed (Sounds like it.) twice.
The sniffling could be allergy, or was he catching a cold?
Was it just bad habit or did it have something to do with drugs?
If so, was he on a drug at the time or was the cause snorting drugs years ago?
Interesting questions...

Ah yes, the distant sneezes...it would make sense they came from outside or maybe the hallway. With LM seen crying on the plane, that made me wonder about drugs - a possible withdrawl? Just the idea of someone doing something as casual as sneezing during/after doing what he did gives me the creeps.

The voices the previous poster said sounded like they came from outside - that almost sounds like a voice (automated?) coming from a nearby phone to me. Like an automated voice message or something.

And that's the first time I've heard the dog bark. It sounds angry (the first bark). I don't understand why LE haven't addressed the dog at all.

OEJ
07-06-2012, 11:45 AM
Do we know that for 100% sure yet? I do think it was a dog as well...but I can't recall any official word on it. It hasn't been found nor addressed by LE. Which is just so strange. But wondering if anyone has official word that it was a dog.

Personally, I don't need an official to tell me what a puppy bark sounds like or what a puppy looks like.

thedissent
07-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Just my opinion, I don't believe the 4chan guy is Luka posting on the 30th. Whoever did post that stuff could have watched the video dozens of times (it had already been out for 4 days) To me, it seems like common speculation on his part. He did not say anything that hasn't already been said or seen.

I personally don't believe Luka did any posting on the run. IMO, I believe the last postings done by Luka are the May 24 - 25 RipOff report postings on the day of the murder. Then I think he went on the run and never posted anything, even that hour he was in the Berlin cafe, I don't believe he was posting, just looking and trying to print the passport.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Body/Tony-Luciforia.aspx

IMO, the postings by Luka on the day of the murder hold a clue somewhere?

There is another murder day posting here

http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/luka-magnotta-bisexual-male-model-and-porn-star-psychotic-behavior-and-psychopathic-tendencies-c78766.html

Here's one clue: the postings give us a reason why LRM sent body parts to Vancouver.

We've all been trying to figure out why he did that. Police, and people on here, have all offered some strained theories as to why this might be the case.

The same-day postings offer a clue: in the RipOff Report's second post, he explicitly links himself to "kitten killing" going on in Vancouver in 2011.

By combining the same-day postings with the fact that LRM sent body parts to Vancouver, maybe he was expecting LE to eventually connect the dots.

I don't know if he was in Vancouver at that time, nor whether he was responsible. I'm guessing not. But in a bid to increase his shock value, he's trying to take credit for that brutality as well.

Apple OC
07-06-2012, 12:41 PM
Has anyone noticed this yet? This is the first time I've seen confirmation that police DO in fact have an "unedited version" of the video. It even states that this other raw version shows him actually eating some of the parts of the body. Is this confirmed anywhere else??

This is stated right underneath the picture with the Map of the park on this site:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168912/Luka-Magnotta-case-Police-confirm-severed-head-belongs-Jun-Lin.html#ixzz1zqtVqVvF


"A second, unedited version of the video seen by police shows him eating parts of the body."

JMO ... the above report is from the Daily Mail (they are known to stretch the story a bit to make things sound even more shocking) I am not sold that police have seen Luka's face or have seen him actually put remains into his mouth on the extended video.

Even in the 10 min video, one might describe that scene similar to "As gross as it sounds, it appears there were acts of cannibalism committed"

We just won't know until the trial

zvzvzv
07-06-2012, 12:56 PM
Perhaps he did film himself trying to eat the body but made a nasty face and had to spit it out so it ended up on the cutting-room floor.

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 01:28 PM
Personally, I don't need an official to tell me what a puppy bark sounds like or what a puppy looks like.

Being in animal rescue ..nor do I...normally. But with this case...no way to know for sure until its confirmed. For me atleast. I prefer facts...not positive speculation..IMO

OEJ
07-06-2012, 01:34 PM
Being in animal rescue ..nor do I...normally. But with this case...no way to know for sure until its confirmed. For me atleast. I prefer facts...not positive speculation..IMO

I promise I'm not trying to argue, and I respect your right to "see" whatever you think you see, but, it is, in fact a puppy. Barely weaned at that. Should have still been at home with his mommy, imo.

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 01:54 PM
I promise I'm not trying to argue, and I respect your right to "see" whatever you think you see, but, it is, in fact a puppy. Barely weaned at that. Should have still been at home with his mommy, imo.

Again, I agree that is appears to be a puppy. But again ...my original question is. ....has anyone with LE verified that.

AudreyRose
07-06-2012, 02:12 PM
Again, I agree that is appears to be a puppy. But again ...my original question is. ....has anyone with LE verified that.

As far as I'm aware, LE hasn't said anything about the use of any animal in the video :wink:

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 02:17 PM
As far as I'm aware, LE hasn't said anything about the use of any animal in the video :wink:

Thanks...I have to say. The stuff they are being silent about is bugging me the most...hoping it all comes out in the trial. :please:

Baudi Moovan
07-06-2012, 02:20 PM
If they found a dog in the apartment or garbage; they wouldn't say as Im sure it would be used as evidence. Not trying to be insensitive here; but the dog would likely have flesh/DNA in its belly.

Jujercu
07-06-2012, 02:42 PM
******Graphic and GROSS...MOSTLY GROSS*******If the dog was alive...would they just collect it's stools for a long period of time Baudi? I don't really know how that's works...so..yeah

Silverlona
07-06-2012, 03:12 PM
I have a question about the beeping sound, I think you all can help me with that one.
Would a fire alarm be beeping that fast?
How do all of you recall fire alarms vs burglary alarms?
I'm not saying the beeping is any of it,
but I would like to read your personal "knowledge" about it.

Silverlona
07-06-2012, 03:25 PM
I forgot, I listened to the audio when I was out walking and I am positive it is a lighter and inhalation at 09.37.
If you can hear the traffic, and maybe, people talk, the window could be open.

I have thought about the automatic voice, but I don't think it's it.

AudreyRose
07-06-2012, 03:31 PM
I have a question about the beeping sound, I think you all can help me with that one.
Would a fire alarm be beeping that fast?
How do all of you recall fire alarms vs burglary alarms?
I'm not saying the beeping is any of it,
but I would like to read your personal "knowledge" about it.

I'm having trouble even hearing the beeping in the audio track. How long does it last? Could it be a cell phone? The camera low-battery singal? An alarm? Microwave? Just trying to brainstorm things that could've been in the apartment at the time.