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05-18-2012, 11:30 AM
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CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:38 AM
First! ... again!

possumheart
06-20-2012, 10:44 AM
First! ... again!

Sleeeeeep (again)

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:47 AM
Sleeeeeep (again)
:floorlaugh: me too

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:49 AM
Well, time to get my beauty sleep and be alert for what 2:30 pm may bring.

Nite all.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 11:01 AM
Goodnight everyone, I am not into making to many requests to the man upstairs but I will tonight for Allison that justice be served today.

Hopefully the hard working men and women who have worked on this case so far will get rewarded later today.

RIP Allison xxxx

Kimster
06-20-2012, 11:02 AM
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CIB
06-20-2012, 05:15 PM
The big day is here. Let's hope that the right decision is made.

I can't help thinking if they have enough evidence to arrest him, they would surely have enough reason to keep him behind bars and deny bail. How could an alleged murderer be let loose? Even if they don't think he is a risk to reoffend or leave the country, surely they would keep him behind bars just for the fact he most probably murdered his wife!

I for one will be shocked and angry if he is released.

ozazure
06-20-2012, 05:25 PM
Personally I am a bit gleeful at this begging for money business. Nothing like a bit of schadenfreude, I take comfort in it all being a struggle. I do hope he gets his first choice of legal representation and he still goes down for what's been alleged. I hope they wrangle every concession for him in the process, he can stay on the medical ward until he is convicted as far as I care, I want him to get every leg up and privilege he is used to but in the end, he still cops the full consequences of his alleged actions. Big legal fees, loss of social status, loss of liberty, and nothing to whinge about because he had every advantage. If anyone outside his family is silly enough to financially support him, I'm glad to see their money wasted too.

minni
06-20-2012, 05:43 PM
First! ... again!

Challenge Accepted!!! I WILL be first on thread no#26... no time out's permitting of course, and I know I'll be hardpressed guaranteeing THAT haha

Rational
06-20-2012, 05:51 PM
Yes big day is here. May justice for Allison and her three girls be the guide in all of this.

The request for funds for GBCs legal defence is still beyond my comprehension. Apart from it being wrong morally, it is also asks people to deposit money into an account which could e used for any purpose. It s not a trust fund like the Dickies set up for the girls which has clear guidelines on how it can be used.

What is to say that if anyone is silly enough to put money into the OW account it is not used to fly OW backwards and forwards to Bne or even more dubious purposes. Anyway I have given this topic already too much energy.

Today I will trust that justice will start to be done and also seen to be done.

Aunty
06-20-2012, 06:05 PM
I have woken up feeling anxious and appalled that money that is deposited into this account will be also come from criminals ( sympathizers) in australia and who knows, world wide.
IMO , Shame on Ch 10 for putting up the acc details . This acc is now visible to a world wide audience. Shame shame shame .They should be procecuted and fined for Airing these acc details. So , what next for ch10 , can we expect to see all acc nos for every other bloody accused murderer awaiting trial in Australia ?
IMO , If Criminals do give money, because they dislike the police and the justice system, then this money could possibly be from the " proceeds of crime"
This account must be closed immediately , and all funds frozen.
IMO, I know the accused is innocent until proven guilty. I accept that ,
BUT
IMO , IF the accused is found guilty ,and he has used this money to support himself and this crime, then the money paid to his solicitors/ barristers should be given back , as the money is from the proceeds of crime "
IMO, Better still , the solicitors / barrasters of the accused , should now not be allowed to accept any money or gifts for this client and if that doesnt happen , then A forensic accountant should be engaged to make sure that the money does not come from or be supported by the money in this account. " proceeds of crime"
IMO , Shame on ch 10 shame shame shame , this airing is going to have huge implications in the whole system .

Curiousasacat
06-20-2012, 06:21 PM
Unfortunately I was unable to view the 10 news video due to my location(but hey,apparently some of you have sleuthed me so may already know that)
The 10 news showing the email could indeed be a favour for an exclusive or a friend but imagine if Olivia did not give permission for the release, how mortifying.
I believe she may feel embarrassed about the invasion of privacy and the fact that the public now realize they need financial help. ALL MOO of course.

I am sure if they couldtell the truth then surely a Current Affair or Today Tonight would pay for their story

I can see it go something like this -
Presenter-Welcome,we have Olivia here tonight to tell the version of events on behalf of her brother in regards to his wife's mysterious murder.
OW-Well firstly I can't believe they arrested the wrong guy! Why they are not out there arresting the right guy is beyond me. Also,thanks for paying for this interview it will certainly pay for some bribes um legal fees. Because we want the money returned to us when he is released.
Gerard has been too frightened to speak publicly, he can't say what really happened due to fear of the bad men.
Presenter-Bad men?? Please explain.
OW-Well only one bad man for sure but there are probably more. You see what happened on that fateful night was this.
Gerard was saving petrol and thinking of the environment,he is such a thoughtful and gentle man,he was doing his business as usual on his new malvern star bicycle. He was furiously peddling to get home to his darling,delightful wife but then he made a mistake. He cut off a white van on the roundabout. The guy driving the van was so mad like real road rage. Everyone should be out looking for this man. He has long hair and he was wearing gardening gloves, we think he has ties to the finks bicycle club. Gerard was so scared because the man broke his bicycle,he called dad to come and pick up him and the bike.
The long haired man was so mean to dad he couldn't drive so he sat down and cried til he calmed down enough to take Gerard home. Anyway,the guy in the van followed Gerard home. Gerard was so scared that he hid at home.Allison was bored watching the footie show so she decided to take a walk at about 10pm,she had depression you know so she probably wanted to clear her head and show people walking by her new hairdo.
Gerard did warn her that there was a garden glove wearing maniac out there but he figured he was after him not her. Oh how wrong he was hey!
So Gerard went to bed thinking she'd be gone a while on her night time hike but when he woke at 7am to see the porch light still on he thought straight away that the bad man in the van must have got her. He called police and her parents.
A few days later Gerard was driving to the police station to do a sketch of the van man but he must have known because he jumped in front of Gerards borrowed car and made Gerard crash into a pole. He was still wearing the gardening gloves and made a motion with the gloved finger across his neck. So of course Gerard is so scared now, they put him in jail because he's a little bit hurt but he'll be ok. It's really only for his own protection,that's why he's not in the real jail.

or perhaps they could tell the real story????

Curiousasacat
06-20-2012, 06:25 PM
A little light hearted humour for todays tense day xxxx
May justice be served in the best possible way.

Makara
06-20-2012, 06:27 PM
Personally I am a bit gleeful at this begging for money business. Nothing like a bit of schadenfreude, I take comfort in it all being a struggle. I do hope he gets his first choice of legal representation and he still goes down for what's been alleged. I hope they wrangle every concession for him in the process, he can stay on the medical ward until he is convicted as far as I care, I want him to get every leg up and privilege he is used to but in the end, he still cops the full consequences of his alleged actions. Big legal fees, loss of social status, loss of liberty, and nothing to whinge about because he had every advantage. If anyone outside his family is silly enough to financially support him, I'm glad to see their money wasted too.

Ozazure, I like your style. :rocker:

CIB
06-20-2012, 06:28 PM
Unfortunately I was unable to view the 10 news video due to my location(but hey,apparently some of you have sleuthed me so may already know that)
The 10 news showing the email could indeed be a favour for an exclusive or a friend but imagine if Olivia did not give permission for the release, how mortifying.
I believe she may feel embarrassed about the invasion of privacy and the fact that the public now realize they need financial help. ALL MOO of course.

I am sure if they couldtell the truth then surely a Current Affair or Today Tonight would pay for their story

I can see it go something like this -
Presenter-Welcome,we have Olivia here tonight to tell the version of events on behalf of her brother in regards to his wife's mysterious murder.
OW-Well firstly I can't believe they arrested the wrong guy! Why they are not out there arresting the right guy is beyond me. Also,thanks for paying for this interview it will certainly pay for some bribes um legal fees. Because we want the money returned to us when he is released.
Gerard has been too frightened to speak publicly, he can't say what really happened due to fear of the bad men.
Presenter-Bad men?? Please explain.
OW-Well only one bad man for sure but there are probably more. You see what happened on that fateful night was this.
Gerard was saving petrol and thinking of the environment,he is such a thoughtful and gentle man,he was doing his business as usual on his new malvern star bicycle. He was furiously peddling to get home to his darling,delightful wife but then he made a mistake. He cut off a white van on the roundabout. The guy driving the van was so mad like real road rage. Everyone should be out looking for this man. He has long hair and he was wearing gardening gloves, we think he has ties to the finks bicycle club. Gerard was so scared because the man broke his bicycle,he called dad to come and pick up him and the bike.
The long haired man was so mean to dad he couldn't drive so he sat down and cried til he calmed down enough to take Gerard home. Anyway,the guy in the van followed Gerard home. Gerard was so scared that he hid at home.Allison was bored watching the footie show so she decided to take a walk at about 10pm,she had depression you know so she probably wanted to clear her head and show people walking by her new hairdo.
Gerard did warn her that there was a garden glove wearing maniac out there but he figured he was after him not her. Oh how wrong he was hey!
So Gerard went to bed thinking she'd be gone a while on her night time hike but when he woke at 7am to see the porch light still on he thought straight away that the bad man in the van must have got her. He called police and her parents.
A few days later Gerard was driving to the police station to do a sketch of the van man but he must have known because he jumped in front of Gerards borrowed car and made Gerard crash into a pole. He was still wearing the gardening gloves and made a motion with the gloved finger across his neck. So of course Gerard is so scared now, they put him in jail because he's a little bit hurt but he'll be ok. It's really only for his own protection,that's why he's not in the real jail.

or perhaps they could tell the real story????

SO. FUNNY. :floorlaugh:

Greg
06-20-2012, 06:29 PM
My lovely She is... sisters , we need to join together in lifting up Olivia Walton (North Qld She is... Regional Coordinator) in prayer. Olivia's sister-in-law, Allison Baden-Clay, has been missing from her family home since last Thursday. We need to pray for strength, courage and peace for Olivia, her brother (Allison's husband) and their children. Lets also pray that Allison is found soon.
Sue xo

afterthought.......oh btw lets also pray for....

Keep our beautiful North Qld Coordinator, Olivia, in your prayers today. Wear your freedom tshirts and rings today to join with Olivia in proclaiming His freedom today. Olivia sent thru this text: "Please pray for truth and justice to be revealed and for honesty from all who are involved in investigating this nightmare. Strength for today. Angels to guard the hearts of these precious children. Thanks. Love, Olivia x"

cant trust those sneaky QPS blokes!!!!

Aunty
06-20-2012, 06:31 PM
Unfortunately I was unable to view the 10 news video due to my location(but hey,apparently some of you have sleuthed me so may already know that)
The 10 news showing the email could indeed be a favour for an exclusive or a friend but imagine if Olivia did not give permission for the release, how mortifying.
I believe she may feel embarrassed about the invasion of privacy and the fact that the public now realize they need financial help. ALL MOO of course.

I am sure if they couldtell the truth then surely a Current Affair or Today Tonight would pay for their story

I can see it go something like this -
Presenter-Welcome,we have Olivia here tonight to tell the version of events on behalf of her brother in regards to his wife's mysterious murder.
OW-Well firstly I can't believe they arrested the wrong guy! Why they are not out there arresting the right guy is beyond me. Also,thanks for paying for this interview it will certainly pay for some bribes um legal fees. Because we want the money returned to us when he is released.
Gerard has been too frightened to speak publicly, he can't say what really happened due to fear of the bad men.
Presenter-Bad men?? Please explain.
OW-Well only one bad man for sure but there are probably more. You see what happened on that fateful night was this.
Gerard was saving petrol and thinking of the environment,he is such a thoughtful and gentle man,he was doing his business as usual on his new malvern star bicycle. He was furiously peddling to get home to his darling,delightful wife but then he made a mistake. He cut off a white van on the roundabout. The guy driving the van was so mad like real road rage. Everyone should be out looking for this man. He has long hair and he was wearing gardening gloves, we think he has ties to the finks bicycle club. Gerard was so scared because the man broke his bicycle,he called dad to come and pick up him and the bike.
The long haired man was so mean to dad he couldn't drive so he sat down and cried til he calmed down enough to take Gerard home. Anyway,the guy in the van followed Gerard home. Gerard was so scared that he hid at home.Allison was bored watching the footie show so she decided to take a walk at about 10pm,she had depression you know so she probably wanted to clear her head and show people walking by her new hairdo.
Gerard did warn her that there was a garden glove wearing maniac out there but he figured he was after him not her. Oh how wrong he was hey!
So Gerard went to bed thinking she'd be gone a while on her night time hike but when he woke at 7am to see the porch light still on he thought straight away that the bad man in the van must have got her. He called police and her parents.
A few days later Gerard was driving to the police station to do a sketch of the van man but he must have known because he jumped in front of Gerards borrowed car and made Gerard crash into a pole. He was still wearing the gardening gloves and made a motion with the gloved finger across his neck. So of course Gerard is so scared now, they put him in jail because he's a little bit hurt but he'll be ok. It's really only for his own protection,that's why he's not in the real jail.

or perhaps they could tell the real story????

:shocked2::popcorn::popcorn::applause:
Thanks you have made my day :fence:

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Channel 9 TV 8:00 am news (live cross to outside Supreme Court): -- It is expected the bail application hearing will go ahead as planned. Confirmation the family have raised an unspecified amount for surety, in case he is successful in his application. Family have requested assistance from friends to raise further funds for his legal fees. If he is not successful, it is expected he will be placed in a normal cell and no longer in the medical unit. Defence will argue he should be granted bail because of the expected lengthy time for this case to get to trial, because of his 3 daughters, because of his business interests, because of his ties to the community. Prosecution wants him behind bars because of the severity of the charge, because of risk of interfering with potential witnesses, because of risk of absconding. --

Well, nothing new with this report.

grannie
06-20-2012, 06:39 PM
I could not believe that money-email business until I have seen it in the morning paper (http://www.news.com.au/national/family-appeals-for-help-on-fees/story-e6frfkvr-1226403669080). This is truly despicable. But also telling. It illustrates connections and thinking patterns in the family in question.

grannie
06-20-2012, 06:40 PM
THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity (http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm)

marlywings
06-20-2012, 06:41 PM
Unfortunately I was unable to view the 10 news video due to my location(but hey,apparently some of you have sleuthed me so may already know that)
The 10 news showing the email could indeed be a favour for an exclusive or a friend but imagine if Olivia did not give permission for the release, how mortifying.
I believe she may feel embarrassed about the invasion of privacy and the fact that the public now realize they need financial help. ALL MOO of course.

I am sure if they couldtell the truth then surely a Current Affair or Today Tonight would pay for their story

I can see it go something like this -
Presenter-Welcome,we have Olivia here tonight to tell the version of events on behalf of her brother in regards to his wife's mysterious murder.
OW-Well firstly I can't believe they arrested the wrong guy! Why they are not out there arresting the right guy is beyond me. Also,thanks for paying for this interview it will certainly pay for some bribes um legal fees. Because we want the money returned to us when he is released.
Gerard has been too frightened to speak publicly, he can't say what really happened due to fear of the bad men.
Presenter-Bad men?? Please explain.
OW-Well only one bad man for sure but there are probably more. You see what happened on that fateful night was this.
Gerard was saving petrol and thinking of the environment,he is such a thoughtful and gentle man,he was doing his business as usual on his new malvern star bicycle. He was furiously peddling to get home to his darling,delightful wife but then he made a mistake. He cut off a white van on the roundabout. The guy driving the van was so mad like real road rage. Everyone should be out looking for this man. He has long hair and he was wearing gardening gloves, we think he has ties to the finks bicycle club. Gerard was so scared because the man broke his bicycle,he called dad to come and pick up him and the bike.
The long haired man was so mean to dad he couldn't drive so he sat down and cried til he calmed down enough to take Gerard home. Anyway,the guy in the van followed Gerard home. Gerard was so scared that he hid at home.Allison was bored watching the footie show so she decided to take a walk at about 10pm,she had depression you know so she probably wanted to clear her head and show people walking by her new hairdo.
Gerard did warn her that there was a garden glove wearing maniac out there but he figured he was after him not her. Oh how wrong he was hey!
So Gerard went to bed thinking she'd be gone a while on her night time hike but when he woke at 7am to see the porch light still on he thought straight away that the bad man in the van must have got her. He called police and her parents.
A few days later Gerard was driving to the police station to do a sketch of the van man but he must have known because he jumped in front of Gerards borrowed car and made Gerard crash into a pole. He was still wearing the gardening gloves and made a motion with the gloved finger across his neck. So of course Gerard is so scared now, they put him in jail because he's a little bit hurt but he'll be ok. It's really only for his own protection,that's why he's not in the real jail.

or perhaps they could tell the real story????

I'd LOVE to email this to Inspector Ainsworth...I reckon he'd have a damn good laugh too :)

Well done Curiousasacat!!!

ps...Greg may want to email it to OW :D

Greg
06-20-2012, 06:55 PM
I'd LOVE to email this to Inspector Ainsworth...I reckon he'd have a damn good laugh too :)

Well done Curiousasacat!!!

ps...Greg may want to email it to OW :D

Lets not forget, investigations are still ongoing, mitochondrial dna, phone, computer forensics, lab in Perth etc I for one am extremely hopeful that anyone involved in or having knowledge of the crime before or after will be arrested soon!

"The pressure comes as police confirmed that a team of detectives continues to work on the case from a major incident room at Indooroopilly police station.

Asked if anyone else could be charged in connection with Mrs Baden-Clay's death, Acting Chief Superintendent Mark Ainsworth said he could not comment.

"All I can say is the major incident room is still running. There is probably in excess of 15 detectives still in there," Supt Ainsworth said."

Fuskier
06-20-2012, 06:56 PM
Goodnight everyone, I am not into making to many requests to the man upstairs but I will tonight for Allison that justice be served today.

Hopefully the hard working men and women who have worked on this case so far will get rewarded later today.

RIP Allison xxxx
My hope is that justice is done for Allison Baden-Clay today, for all the Police, Detectives, who conducted the investigation and SES workers, Firemen and general public assisted with the search for 11 long days. The evidence in Police possession means that, according to Law, they have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer.

They say that a Lawyer stands between the accused and the lynch mob, before the Court to ensure that he is innocent until proven guilty. A Lawyer must also stand between the support mob and the accused to ensure that alleged guilt is proved beyond reasonable doubt in the Court. A fair trial principle applies to the lynch mob with the belief of guilt and also to the solicited support mob in the belief of innocence.

The alleged murderer is not the 'victim' needing public sympathy. The father of the 3 little girls is 'charged' with the alleged murder of their mother. He needs to be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law. His guilt or innocence will be proven beyond reasonable doubt there.

The real 'victim' is Allison Baden-Clay whose life was tragically ended when she was brutally murdered, then dumped under a bridge, her face left in the mud beside the Kholo creek.

Her 3 little girls are victims, traumatised by their father 'allegedly' murdering their mother. Their father has 'charges' against him and until these are cleared and he is proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt he is in no position for provide nurture or care to these girls. This is my opinion.

The family, friends and community of Allison Baden-Clay are secondary victims traumatised by her murder and the 11 day search for her dumped body.

I hope that the flight risk is considered as a possibility and the potential manpower and financial costs involved in attempting to extradite the alleged murderer from another country. The post by AUNTY in thread 24, page 42, post no: 1030 hypothesises about this possibility.

I hope that all the Police, Detectives, Forensic Investigations & SES manpower resources, use of their time and financial burden to the Australian taxpayer in bringing this alleged murderer to face Justice is considered in the Courts decision today.

My opinion only, not fact.

Makara
06-20-2012, 07:08 PM
So very well said. Thank you Fuskier.



My hope is that justice is done for Allison Baden-Clay today, for all the Police, Detectives, who conducted the investigation and SES workers, Firemen and general public assisted with the search for 11 long days. The evidence in Police possession means that, according to Law, they have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer.

They say that a Lawyer stands between the accused and the lynch mob, before the Court to ensure that he is innocent until proven guilty. A Lawyer must also stand between the support mob and the accused to ensure that alleged guilt is proved beyond reasonable doubt in the Court. A fair trial principle applies to the lynch mob with the belief of guilt and also to the solicited support mob in the belief of innocence.

The alleged murderer is not the 'victim' needing public sympathy. The father of the 3 little girls is 'charged' with the alleged murder of their mother. He needs to be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law. His guilt or innocence will be proven beyond reasonable doubt there.

The real 'victim' is Allison Baden-Clay whose life was tragically ended when she was brutally murdered, then dumped under a bridge, her face left in the mud beside the Kholo creek.

Her 3 little girls are victims, traumatised by their father 'allegedly' murdering their mother. Their father has 'charges' against him and until these are cleared and he is proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt he is in no position for provide nurture or care to these girls. This is my opinion.

The family, friends and community of Allison Baden-Clay are secondary victims traumatised by her murder and the 11 day search for her dumped body.

I hope that the flight risk is considered as a possibility and the potential manpower and financial costs involved in attempting to extradite the alleged murderer from another country. The post by AUNTY in thread 24, page 42, post no: 1030 hypothesises about this possibility.

I hope that all the Police, Detectives, Forensic Investigations & SES manpower resources, time and financial burden to the Australian taxpayer in bringing this alleged murderer to face Justice is considered in the Courts decision today.

My opinion only, not fact.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 07:09 PM
Lets not forget, investigations are still ongoing, mitochondrial dna, phone, computer forensics, lab in Perth etc I for one am extremely hopeful that anyone involved in or having knowledge of the crime before or after will be arrested soon!

"The pressure comes as police confirmed that a team of detectives continues to work on the case from a major incident room at Indooroopilly police station.

Asked if anyone else could be charged in connection with Mrs Baden-Clay's death, Acting Chief Superintendent Mark Ainsworth said he could not comment.

"All I can say is the major incident room is still running. There is probably in excess of 15 detectives still in there," Supt Ainsworth said."

Yes it's all still ongoing but I'm hoping Inspector Ainsworth's gotcha bag is already 3/4's full going by the fact it took only two months to make an arrest. When you look at many other murder cases it's taken so much longer.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 07:27 PM
IMO organized crime has nothing to do with OW's alleged appeal to friends for financial assistance to pay his legal fees. Occasionally, we see appeals for financial help from ordinary families who may be facing, for example, some serious health care bills and there is no public outrage in those cases. I try and put myself in the BC family's shoes and I would certainly not have any serious funds to pay legal fees for my child. In desperation, would I appeal to my friends for assistance to "save" my child? Maybe. The only "crime" with this appeal is that it was made public (either leaked or paid for). IMO - shoot me now!

i agree CaseClosed

We all want GBC to have a fair trial, and for the facts of and the case to be heard and to be judged by his peers. The legal representation would have already cost many thousands of dollars, and GBC has no way of paying for the solicitor - perhaps he should have thought of that before he engaged so early in the case - but (and I might add) in what seems to be typical GBC fashion, he didn't think beyond the present moments. The debt is now incurred, the BC already have a large mortgage over a property that in the current climate is probably not worth too much more. A $300000 mortgage probably has repayments of $1400 or $1500 a month interest only, so they need to find a substantial amount of money for that, GBC has no income so he can not contribute if he is the reason for the mortgage, and then we have the solicitors fees. Ministers are proverbially as "poor as church mice" so you would expect they have very little money and also have a family to support. So the only place I think they could turn would be the superannuation funds of Gerard or Allison, and Australian law does tie that money up quite securely until 55 at least.

i think we should have some compassion for the BC and the Walton family. At present it would seem their only crime is having <modsnip> as a son and brother. There lives have been totally wrecked in the last couple of months and they are left outside to deal with the aftermath of what has happened.

I think the email is a desperate plea to try and help themselves as much as GBC. I don't think large organisations, such as the Baptist Church, Masonic Lodge (I think that is a Dickie connection) or Scouting movement could or would donate money to this. They are all legal entities that enjoy the tax privileges that there position entails but also have a number of restrictions on what can be done with donated funds.

I hope that Olivia and her parents can find someone to help them, not necessarily financial, but to wade through this mess. They are victims as well and continue to live with it every moment. I can't imagine what it would be like to be scrutinized by the public and to have you financial affairs discussed on a website and known by strangers because of the actions of someone that you had no control over.

I think the email was naive, but I think that it should not have been betrayed to the media. I am not surprised though that Channel 10 ran with first, they do tend to sensationalize events and need to fill up an hour of news.

I am not defending the BC or the Walton family, but I think we need to put ourselves in their shoes and imagine how we would feel. They must know what is being said, they must be under enormous strain today especially.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 07:33 PM
i agree CaseClosed

We all want GBC to have a fair trial, and for the facts of and the case to be heard and to be judged by his peers. The legal representation would have already cost many thousands of dollars, and GBC has no way of paying for the solicitor - perhaps he should have thought of that before he engaged so early in the case - but (and I might add) in what seems to be typical GBC fashion, he didn't think beyond the present moments. The debt is now incurred, the BC already have a large mortgage over a property that in the current climate is probably not worth too much more. A $300000 mortgage probably has repayments of $1400 or $1500 a month interest only, so they need to find a substantial amount of money for that, GBC has no income so he can not contribute if he is the reason for the mortgage, and then we have the solicitors fees. Ministers are proverbially as "poor as church mice" so you would expect they have very little money and also have a family to support. So the only place I think they could turn would be the superannuation funds of Gerard or Allison, and Australian law does tie that money up quite securely until 55 at least.

i think we should have some compassion for the BC and the Walton family. At present it would seem their only crime is having <modsnip> as a son and brother. There lives have been totally wrecked in the last couple of months and they are left outside to deal with the aftermath of what has happened.

I think the email is a desperate plea to try and help themselves as much as GBC. I don't think large organisations, such as the Baptist Church, Masonic Lodge (I think that is a Dickie connection) or Scouting movement could or would donate money to this. They are all legal entities that enjoy the tax privileges that there position entails but also have a number of restrictions on what can be done with donated funds.

I hope that Olivia and her parents can find someone to help them, not necessarily financial, but to wade through this mess. They are victims as well and continue to live with it every moment. I can't imagine what it would be like to be scrutinized by the public and to have you financial affairs discussed on a website and known by strangers because of the actions of someone that you had no control over.

I think the email was naive, but I think that it should not have been betrayed to the media. I am not surprised though that Channel 10 ran with first, they do tend to sensationalize events and need to fill up an hour of news.

I am not defending the BC or the Walton family, but I think we need to put ourselves in their shoes and imagine how we would feel. They must know what is being said, they must be under enormous strain today especially.

Very well said! There is serious "collateral" damage caused by one horrible act in the heat of a moment, which is how I perceive this crime. IMO.

Rational
06-20-2012, 07:40 PM
i agree CaseClosed

We all want GBC to have a fair trial, and for the facts of and the case to be heard and to be judged by his peers. The legal representation would have already cost many thousands of dollars, and GBC has no way of paying for the solicitor - perhaps he should have thought of that before he engaged so early in the case - but (and I might add) in what seems to be typical GBC fashion, he didn't think beyond the present moments. The debt is now incurred, the BC already have a large mortgage over a property that in the current climate is probably not worth too much more. A $300000 mortgage probably has repayments of $1400 or $1500 a month interest only, so they need to find a substantial amount of money for that, GBC has no income so he can not contribute if he is the reason for the mortgage, and then we have the solicitors fees. Ministers are proverbially as "poor as church mice" so you would expect they have very little money and also have a family to support. So the only place I think they could turn would be the superannuation funds of Gerard or Allison, and Australian law does tie that money up quite securely until 55 at least.

i think we should have some compassion for the BC and the Walton family. At present it would seem their only crime is having <modsnip> as a son and brother. There lives have been totally wrecked in the last couple of months and they are left outside to deal with the aftermath of what has happened.

I think the email is a desperate plea to try and help themselves as much as GBC. I don't think large organisations, such as the Baptist Church, Masonic Lodge (I think that is a Dickie connection) or Scouting movement could or would donate money to this. They are all legal entities that enjoy the tax privileges that there position entails but also have a number of restrictions on what can be done with donated funds.

I hope that Olivia and her parents can find someone to help them, not necessarily financial, but to wade through this mess. They are victims as well and continue to live with it every moment. I can't imagine what it would be like to be scrutinized by the public and to have you financial affairs discussed on a website and known by strangers because of the actions of someone that you had no control over.

I think the email was naive, but I think that it should not have been betrayed to the media. I am not surprised though that Channel 10 ran with first, they do tend to sensationalize events and need to fill up an hour of news.

I am not defending the BC or the Walton family, but I think we need to put ourselves in their shoes and imagine how we would feel. They must know what is being said, they must be under enormous strain today especially.

Sprats mum
I agree with your views and sentiments, with one proviso; if they as a family had shown any support for the QPS and massive search team and if they had shown that they were as dismayed at loosing Allison as they appear to be atGerard being accused of her murder.

I accept that everyone shows feelings in a different way. IMO there is too much discrepancy between what they show publicly for GBCand the lack of what they have shown publicly for the murder of Allison.

All IMO

Rational
06-20-2012, 07:48 PM
:star: :star: thank you Fuskier :star: :star:

May the wheels of justice start turning for Allison and her girls today!!


My hope is that justice is done for Allison Baden-Clay today, for all the Police, Detectives, who conducted the investigation and SES workers, Firemen and general public assisted with the search for 11 long days. The evidence in Police possession means that, according to Law, they have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer.

They say that a Lawyer stands between the accused and the lynch mob, before the Court to ensure that he is innocent until proven guilty. A Lawyer must also stand between the support mob and the accused to ensure that alleged guilt is proved beyond reasonable doubt in the Court. A fair trial principle applies to the lynch mob with the belief of guilt and also to the solicited support mob in the belief of innocence.

The alleged murderer is not the 'victim' needing public sympathy. The father of the 3 little girls is 'charged' with the alleged murder of their mother. He needs to be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law. His guilt or innocence will be proven beyond reasonable doubt there.

The real 'victim' is Allison Baden-Clay whose life was tragically ended when she was brutally murdered, then dumped under a bridge, her face left in the mud beside the Kholo creek.

Her 3 little girls are victims, traumatised by their father 'allegedly' murdering their mother. Their father has 'charges' against him and until these are cleared and he is proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt he is in no position for provide nurture or care to these girls. This is my opinion.

The family, friends and community of Allison Baden-Clay are secondary victims traumatised by her murder and the 11 day search for her dumped body.

I hope that the flight risk is considered as a possibility and the potential manpower and financial costs involved in attempting to extradite the alleged murderer from another country. The post by AUNTY in thread 24, page 42, post no: 1030 hypothesises about this possibility.

I hope that all the Police, Detectives, Forensic Investigations & SES manpower resources, time and financial burden to the Australian taxpayer in bringing this alleged murderer to face Justice is considered in the Courts decision today.

My opinion only, not fact.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 07:50 PM
Sprats mum
I agree with your views and sentiments, with one proviso; if they as a family had shown any support for the QPS and massive search team and if they had shown that they were as dismayed at loosing Allison as they appear to be atGerard being accused of her murder.

I accept that everyone shows feelings in a different way. IMO there is too much discrepancy between what they show publicly for GBCand the lack of what they have shown publicly for the murder of Allison.

All IMO

We don't really know the families' dynamics. It could very well be that both families had a long history of "disliking" each other. It is not uncommon to see people who don't like their son/daughter in law for a multitude of reasons. Also, I think any parent/siblings in a situation like this, would have at least the thought of "perhaps he did it?", hence "OMG the public is now against us because he may have done this horrible thing" ... "we need to hide from them and the press". I don't excuse them not helping at the Command Post, but I can see why they didn't.

Mani
06-20-2012, 07:57 PM
Spratsmum and Fuskier,

Well said to you both. Cheers

Karo
06-20-2012, 07:59 PM
Does anyone know why the police wanted the beard shavings?
I was thinking since they can't do a cavity DNA, perhaps the skin shavings are what they wanted, not the actual beard.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 08:02 PM
Sprats mum
I agree with your views and sentiments, with one proviso; if they as a family had shown any support for the QPS and massive search team and if they had shown that they were as dismayed at loosing Allison as they appear to be atGerard being accused of her murder.

I accept that everyone shows feelings in a different way. IMO there is too much discrepancy between what they show publicly for GBCand the lack of what they have shown publicly for the murder of Allison.

All IMO

i can understand what you are saying rational, my feelings are though we don 't know what has happened in the family over the last 15 of so years. Families don't always get on, they don't always like each other, there are jealousies and rivalry.

GBC is their son and brother, blood is thicker than water.

I was just trying to write what my brother did to my family following my mother's funeral nearly 7 years ago, and I stopped because it was getting me too upset, after all that time. So family actions cut very deep in some instances.

I think they probably should have gone to the search base once or twice to show support, but really being there all day, every day during the search was really useless. I can understand that Allison's parent would have wanted to know everything that was going on every minute, but not everyone can do that. Perhaps the better thing was for the BC to stay away, if there is a lot animosity between the families, and perhaps the BC had some employment or were minding the girls and doing involved in that task.
If I was missing I can't imagine my FIL would be too upset. He is emotionless and he certainly would not be standing around any search base and he probably won't bother coming to my funeral. My FIL can't even remember to send my son a birthday card, people are different but it shouldn't stop us trying to have some understanding and compassion.

Fuskier
06-20-2012, 08:13 PM
...Keep our beautiful North Qld Coordinator, Olivia, in your prayers today. Wear your freedom tshirts and rings today to join with Olivia in proclaiming His freedom today. Olivia sent thru this text: "Please pray for truth and justice to be revealed and for honesty from all who are involved in investigating this nightmare. Strength for today. Angels to guard the hearts of these precious children. Thanks. Love, Olivia x"

cant trust those sneaky QPS blokes!!!!

The bolded statement allegedly coming from OW implies that investigators may be dishonest.IMO this shows disrespect for the Police investigation. As a result of their investigation, the Police have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer within The Law. The alleged murderer will be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law where the Police evidence will be tested to prove beyond reasonable doubt. MOO.

Mani
06-20-2012, 08:13 PM
Does anyone know why the police wanted the beard shavings?
I was thinking since they can't do a cavity DNA, perhaps the skin shavings are what they wanted, not the actual beard.

Can anyone remember the member who posted a little while ago regarding lab results - her daughter apparently works in this area? She might be able to help.

Karo
06-20-2012, 08:19 PM
Can anyone remember the member who posted a little while ago regarding lab results - her daughter apparently works in this area? She might be able to help.

I am going to do a search, no idea how to on here but I will try, it has probably been discussed already but there are too many threads.

coolcat
06-20-2012, 08:24 PM
OW's email makes me laugh....People are already donating money to GBC's Legal Costs.......Only no one gets a choice....Excuse me Olivia but my tax payer dollars have been donated since the minute GBC decided to end the life of the Mother of his children and they will continue to be donated until he is released from Prison in hopefully another 30 years.....????

I hope she received a reply similar to my thoughts on this matter!

When I heard about this I was so angry.....Did an email go out to everyone asking for help to search for Allison......IMO they are all so damn self serving with no ability to care for anyone else except themselves - Shame Shame Shame....!

marlywings
06-20-2012, 08:24 PM
We don't really know the families' dynamics. It could very well be that both families had a long history of "disliking" each other. It is not uncommon to see people who don't like their son/daughter in law for a multitude of reasons. Also, I think any parent/siblings in a situation like this, would have at least the thought of "perhaps he did it?", hence "OMG the public is now against us because he may have done this horrible thing" ... "we need to hide from them and the press". I don't excuse them not helping at the Command Post, but I can see why they didn't.

IF there was any sort of dislike between the families, in my opinion, at such a horrid time, the BC's should have shown some strength of character,intestinal fortitude or whatever you want to call it, stood tall & shown an ounce of compassion for the Dickies & fronted up at the command post.

Instead they were busy pulling in top notch criminal lawyers/barrister knowing they couldn't afford them & now expecting others to pay their way...nup...compassion I have is totally reserved for Allison's family & friends.

Aussie_expat.sg
06-20-2012, 08:25 PM
i agree CaseClosed

We all want GBC to have a fair trial, and for the facts of and the case to be heard and to be judged by his peers. The legal representation would have already cost many thousands of dollars, and GBC has no way of paying for the solicitor - perhaps he should have thought of that before he engaged so early in the case - but (and I might add) in what seems to be typical GBC fashion, he didn't think beyond the present moments. The debt is now incurred, the BC already have a large mortgage over a property that in the current climate is probably not worth too much more. A $300000 mortgage probably has repayments of $1400 or $1500 a month interest only, so they need to find a substantial amount of money for that, GBC has no income so he can not contribute if he is the reason for the mortgage, and then we have the solicitors fees. Ministers are proverbially as "poor as church mice" so you would expect they have very little money and also have a family to support. So the only place I think they could turn would be the superannuation funds of Gerard or Allison, and Australian law does tie that money up quite securely until 55 at least.

i think we should have some compassion for the BC and the Walton family. At present it would seem their only crime is having <modsnip> as a son and brother. There lives have been totally wrecked in the last couple of months and they are left outside to deal with the aftermath of what has happened.

I think the email is a desperate plea to try and help themselves as much as GBC. I don't think large organisations, such as the Baptist Church, Masonic Lodge (I think that is a Dickie connection) or Scouting movement could or would donate money to this. They are all legal entities that enjoy the tax privileges that there position entails but also have a number of restrictions on what can be done with donated funds.

I hope that Olivia and her parents can find someone to help them, not necessarily financial, but to wade through this mess. They are victims as well and continue to live with it every moment. I can't imagine what it would be like to be scrutinized by the public and to have you financial affairs discussed on a website and known by strangers because of the actions of someone that you had no control over.

I think the email was naive, but I think that it should not have been betrayed to the media. I am not surprised though that Channel 10 ran with first, they do tend to sensationalize events and need to fill up an hour of news.

I am not defending the BC or the Walton family, but I think we need to put ourselves in their shoes and imagine how we would feel. They must know what is being said, they must be under enormous strain today especially.

I guess I'm not surprised that a letter has gone out requesting funds because I had already assessed that the family was flat broke. I AM surprised that it stipulates a particular amount ($30K). Church groups often rally to help 'their own' through difficult times, and I would imagine they try very hard not to "judge".
Lindy Chamberlain's church raised a lot of money for her defence, when practically the whole country thought she was guilty.

Rational
06-20-2012, 08:31 PM
For anyone interested in Justice Martin here is one of his judgements from 2011.

McGrane v BTQ Channel 7 [2011] QSC 290 (11/2954) Brisb Martin J 29/09/2011

Makara
06-20-2012, 08:39 PM
Baden-Clay bail application

21 June 2012 , 8:21 AM by Spencer Howson

The Supreme Court will today hear a bail application for 41-year-old Gerard Baden-Clay who was last week charged with murdering his wife and unlawfully interfering with a corpse.

According to Ten News and The Courier-Mail, Gerard Baden-Clay's family has made an appeal to family and friends to raise money to defend his innocence.

Terry O'Gorman is vice president of the Queensland Council of Civil Liberties. He's a defence lawyer - though not Gerard Baden-Clay's. I spoke to him about the fundraising efforts moments ago:


http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2012/06/baden-clay-bail-application.html?site=brisbane&program=612_breakfast

possumheart
06-20-2012, 08:44 PM
“When truth is replaced by silence,the silence is a lie.”
― Yevgeny Yevtushenko
MOO

Bayside
06-20-2012, 08:53 PM
This was not directed to you but to the text message OW sent....Sorry!

She honestly is living in the land of denial.....I thought she would back away when he was arrested.......I wonder why they are so convinced he is wrongly accused?

I also wonder if they believe GBC didn't do it...Who they think did?


Baden-Clay bail application

21 June 2012 , 8:21 AM by Spencer Howson

The Supreme Court will today hear a bail application for 41-year-old Gerard Baden-Clay who was last week charged with murdering his wife and unlawfully interfering with a corpse.

According to Ten News and The Courier-Mail, Gerard Baden-Clay's family has made an appeal to family and friends to raise money to defend his innocence.

Terry O'Gorman is vice president of the Queensland Council of Civil Liberties. He's a defence lawyer - though not Gerard Baden-Clay's. I spoke to him about the fundraising efforts moments ago:


http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2012/06/baden-clay-bail-application.html?site=brisbane&program=612_breakfast

Thanks for that, very interesting re bail money not allowed to put the hat around.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 08:56 PM
Baden-Clay bail application

21 June 2012 , 8:21 AM by Spencer Howson

The Supreme Court will today hear a bail application for 41-year-old Gerard Baden-Clay who was last week charged with murdering his wife and unlawfully interfering with a corpse.

According to Ten News and The Courier-Mail, Gerard Baden-Clay's family has made an appeal to family and friends to raise money to defend his innocence.

Terry O'Gorman is vice president of the Queensland Council of Civil Liberties. He's a defence lawyer - though not Gerard Baden-Clay's. I spoke to him about the fundraising efforts moments ago:


http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2012/06/baden-clay-bail-application.html?site=brisbane&program=612_breakfast

Thanks, very helpful. So, it is not that unusual for people to appeal to family and friends to help raise funds for legal fees, but is not allowed for surety. Mr. O'Gorman believes bail in murder cases is more common than we think and as I indicated yesterday, my gut feeling is that GBC will be granted bail.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 08:58 PM
Thanks for that, very interesting re bail money not allowed to put the hat around.

That is probably the reason OW's alleged email stated that they had enough for surety. Someone has probably re-mortgaged their house. IMO.

Fuskier
06-20-2012, 09:01 PM
... in my opinion, at such a horrid time, the BC's should have shown ... an ounce of compassion for the Dickies & fronted up at the command post.
Instead they were busy pulling in top notch criminal lawyers/barrister knowing they couldn't afford them & now expecting others to pay their way...

nup...compassion I have is totally reserved for Allison's family & friends.

Well said MARLYWINGS.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:01 PM
Thanks, very helpful. So, it is not that unusual for people to appeal to family and friends to help raise funds for legal fees, but is not allowed for surety. Mr. O'Gorman believes bail in murder cases is more common than we think and as I indicated yesterday, my gut feeling is that GBC will be granted bail.

I think he will get bail too but hope this is one thing I am wrong about.

Rational
06-20-2012, 09:03 PM
“When truth is replaced by silence,the silence is a lie.”
― Yevgeny Yevtushenko
MOO

Spot on Possumheart!!!

I need to go and do something to take my mind of things until 2.30-3 ish! Ahh may have to start cleaning and sewing and do my other 'unemployed' tasks!

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:04 PM
Channel 9 News - Reporter has heard rumour that the court may be closed to the media this afternoon!!

J-Diggety
06-20-2012, 09:07 PM
IMO organized crime has nothing to do with OW's alleged appeal to friends for financial assistance to pay his legal fees. Occasionally, we see appeals for financial help from ordinary families who may be facing, for example, some serious health care bills and there is no public outrage in those cases. I try and put myself in the BC family's shoes and I would certainly not have any serious funds to pay legal fees for my child. In desperation, would I appeal to my friends for assistance to "save" my child? Maybe. The only "crime" with this appeal is that it was made public (either leaked or paid for). IMO - shoot me now!

Agree

I feel this getting a few minds wandering. I dont imagine the email was ever meant to be public. Further to that, the accused has no connections, no clue, no chance and no understanding of how to deal with this situation

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:09 PM
That is probably the reason OW's alleged email stated that they had enough for surety. Someone has probably re-mortgaged their house. IMO.

Oh yes they know what they are doing.

I think the urgency in their timing also has to do with what might be revealed at the bail hearing today. Depending on what comes out including COD, Gerard may lose a lot of support by the end of today.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:11 PM
Channel 9 News - Reporter has heard rumour that the court may be closed to the media this afternoon!!

I had a feeling that might happen, that is not good. I wonder how often that happens.

coolcat
06-20-2012, 09:11 PM
That is probably the reason OW's alleged email stated that they had enough for surety. Someone has probably re-mortgaged their house. IMO.

Regarding the email and Text'x sent to Family and friends.....Obviously the recipient/s of one of the messages sent out is not a friend and doubt's GBC's innocence or they wouldn't of leaked the email's and texts sent by OW....

OW and her family would be seething that the public are now aware of their financial standing.....I hope OW and her husband haven't mortgaged their house for GBC's surety and rememeber that they have their own family/children to look after first.

The risk is far to high to assume his innocence when all evidence presumably points to him.....IMO??

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:13 PM
Oh yes they know what they are doing.

I think the urgency in their timing also has to do with what might be revealed at the bail hearing today. Depending on what comes out including COD, Gerard may lose a lot of support by the end of today.

I think the urgency was to do with having the Barrister appear or not. Pay up or you won't be represented this afternoon.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:14 PM
Spot on Possumheart!!!

I need to go and do something to take my mind of things until 2.30-3 ish! Ahh may have to start cleaning and sewing and do my other 'unemployed' tasks!

Lol, well my internet has been down for hours so I need to get ready for a call to an indian help desk so I am not stuck using the ipad only.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:15 PM
I had a feeling that might happen, that is not good. I wonder how often that happens.

It happened this morning in another case relating to bikie gangs, as reported in a different story.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:17 PM
Regarding the email and Text'x sent to Family and friends.....Obviously the recipient/s of one of the messages sent out is not a friend and doubt's GBC's innocence or they wouldn't of leaked the email's and texts sent by OW....

OW and her family would be seething that the public are now aware of their financial standing.....I hope OW and her husband haven't mortgaged their house for GBC's surety and rememeber that they have their own family/children to look after first.

The risk is far to high to assume his innocence when all evidence presumably points to him.....IMO??

He would be very humiliated by this I think.

Its a shame they dont put the same effort into trying to raise funds for the children.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:18 PM
It happened this morning in another case relating to bikie gangs, as reported in a different story.

I wonder who makes that call.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:19 PM
Regarding the email and Text'x sent to Family and friends.....Obviously the recipient/s of one of the messages sent out is not a friend and doubt's GBC's innocence or they wouldn't of leaked the email's and texts sent by OW....

OW and her family would be seething that the public are now aware of their financial standing.....I hope OW and her husband haven't mortgaged their house for GBC's surety and rememeber that they have their own family/children to look after first.

The risk is far to high to assume his innocence when all evidence presumably points to him.....IMO??

The person providing surety will not loose their funds unless GBC takes off (if he is granted bail).

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:21 PM
I wonder who makes that call.

It appears to be the Court (presumably the Judge). In that case also usual staff of the Court was asked to leave the room and only essential staff remained inside.

coolcat
06-20-2012, 09:21 PM
Channel 9 News - Reporter has heard rumour that the court may be closed to the media this afternoon!!

Why?? This is a an outrage...There is no minor involved...What is the reason for this? Why are they protecting him?

It turned into a media circus because of his own suspicious behaviour and if they are protecting him from that, then this is ridiculous in my opinion.

Maybe more facts are going to be stated in Court and perhaps they think the media will divulge to much information?

I wonder what the poor little girls are thinking about all of this awful stuff happening to them at the moment......They didn't deserve any of this and what is happening to them is a crime in itself......IMO!

J-Diggety
06-20-2012, 09:21 PM
Im kind of glad its closed, its such an emotive sitautaion and I feel it needs to be kept close to those that are involved.

With what appears to be evidence still being tested at diferent places, at least the the information presented cannot be skewed by media manipulation.

Sure i'm curious but am also mindful how serious this is.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:23 PM
Why?? This is a an outrage...There is no minor involved...What is the reason for this? Why are they protecting him?

It turned into a media circus because of his own suspicious behaviour and if they are protecting him from that, then this is ridiculous in my opinion.

Maybe more facts are going to be stated in Court and perhaps they think the media will divulge to much information?

I wonder what the poor little girls are thinking about all of this awful stuff happening to them at the moment......They didn't deserve any of this and what is happening to them is a crime in itself......IMO!

It may not be closed. The reporter had no official confirmation of this.

ActusReus
06-20-2012, 09:24 PM
Channel 9 News - Reporter has heard rumour that the court may be closed to the media this afternoon!!

I hope not. Justice is not only done but should be seen to be done.

For society to have faith in the legal system then it needs to be open and transparent. IMO

Aunty
06-20-2012, 09:29 PM
i can understand what you are saying rational, my feelings are though we don 't know what has happened in the family over the last 15 of so years. Families don't always get on, they don't always like each other, there are jealousies and rivalry.

GBC is their son and brother, blood is thicker than water.

I was just trying to write what my brother did to my family following my mother's funeral nearly 7 years ago, and I stopped because it was getting me too upset, after all that time. So family actions cut very deep in some instances.

I think they probably should have gone to the search base once or twice to show support, but really being there all day, every day during the search was really useless. I can understand that Allison's parent would have wanted to know everything that was going on every minute, but not everyone can do that. Perhaps the better thing was for the BC to stay away, if there is a lot animosity between the families, and perhaps the BC had some employment or were minding the girls and doing involved in that task.
If I was missing I can't imagine my FIL would be too upset. He is emotionless and he certainly would not be standing around any search base and he probably won't bother coming to my funeral. My FIL can't even remember to send my son a birthday card, people are different but it shouldn't stop us trying to have some understanding and compassion.

IMO , :what: I have seen family's spend more time searching for their missing dog. :what:
IMO, Thank god the police and community searched , because the accused was probably more interested in indulging in his newly inherited position , having 100% care of these children. Indulging on Holidaying , too :what: "Oh what a feeling" narcisstic power big time.


IMO when he made the statement that his children were his main priority , ( as his excuse for not taking any steps to search ) he was making a big loud statement to feed only his ego , that he was officially and legally the childrens 100% main carer. iMO , He must have seen ABCs mothering role as extremely threatening and wanted her to move over big time. iMO he wanted her status and position and was not prepared to share it with her.

The rest is history. Sadly.
I am also very respectful of the accused position " that he is innocent until proven guilty " :truce:

Mani
06-20-2012, 09:29 PM
Case closed and Bayside,

Can you remember a new member talking about forensic information a few weeks ago and her daughter worked in a lab? It was around the time the subject was on decomposition/water etc re Allison.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 09:31 PM
Does anyone know why the police wanted the beard shavings?
I was thinking since they can't do a cavity DNA, perhaps the skin shavings are what they wanted, not the actual beard.

I don't know why..scratches should have healed by now. Can't see the skin shavings helps. They got DNA sample from hair because they could not get mouth swab, so shouldn't need skin shavings.. I think its for some other reason..MOO

YoureNicked
06-20-2012, 09:32 PM
My hope is that justice is done for Allison Baden-Clay today, for all the Police, Detectives, who conducted the investigation and SES workers, Firemen and general public assisted with the search for 11 long days. The evidence in Police possession means that, according to Law, they have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer.

They say that a Lawyer stands between the accused and the lynch mob, before the Court to ensure that he is innocent until proven guilty. A Lawyer must also stand between the support mob and the accused to ensure that alleged guilt is proved beyond reasonable doubt in the Court. A fair trial principle applies to the lynch mob with the belief of guilt and also to the solicited support mob in the belief of innocence.

The alleged murderer is not the 'victim' needing public sympathy. The father of the 3 little girls is 'charged' with the alleged murder of their mother. He needs to be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law. His guilt or innocence will be proven beyond reasonable doubt there.

The real 'victim' is Allison Baden-Clay whose life was tragically ended when she was brutally murdered, then dumped under a bridge, her face left in the mud beside the Kholo creek.

Her 3 little girls are victims, traumatised by their father 'allegedly' murdering their mother. Their father has 'charges' against him and until these are cleared and he is proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt he is in no position for provide nurture or care to these girls. This is my opinion.

The family, friends and community of Allison Baden-Clay are secondary victims traumatised by her murder and the 11 day search for her dumped body.

I hope that the flight risk is considered as a possibility and the potential manpower and financial costs involved in attempting to extradite the alleged murderer from another country. The post by AUNTY in thread 24, page 42, post no: 1030 hypothesises about this possibility.

I hope that all the Police, Detectives, Forensic Investigations & SES manpower resources, use of their time and financial burden to the Australian taxpayer in bringing this alleged murderer to face Justice is considered in the Courts decision today.

My opinion only, not fact.

Beautifully said, Fuskier. I hope that Mr Danny Boyle can speak at least as thoughtfully, logically and eloquently as he states the prosecution's position today!

Oh, I guess I'm part of the 'lynch mob' ...or at least the 'lock him up for life' (if he's guilty, which I think he is) mob.

:jail:

coolcat
06-20-2012, 09:32 PM
The person providing surety will not loose their funds unless GBC takes off (if he is granted bail).

I understand that ..... But my thoughts are that why would anyone put up money for anyone if the evidence is pointing so directly at them???

I understand Family Ties and Blood is thicker then water and so on...But there has to be a point when you think or say to yourself.... Enough is Enough..You can be supportive without being financially supportive...IMO!

OW seems to be the driving force in this family and seems to have taken on the burden for the whole family.....This is admirable I suppose, but she isn't doing herself any favours in the eyes of the public and media so therefore when and if he is found guilty she will have to deal with the backlash and whether or not it is right or wrong she will be crucified for her commitment to him.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:33 PM
It may not be closed. The reporter had no official confirmation of this.

They might not find out till it starts.

Fuskier
06-20-2012, 09:38 PM
I hope not. Justice is not only done but should be seen to be done.

For society to have faith in the legal system then it needs to be open and transparent. IMO
Hear! Hear! ACTUS REUS. Justice need to be seen to be done. These legal proceedings need to be transparent, so that we can have faith in our Justice system. MOO

Blue Bottle
06-20-2012, 09:39 PM
So, it is not that unusual for people to appeal to family and friends to help raise funds for legal fees, but is not allowed for surety. Mr. O'Gorman believes bail in murder cases is more common than we think and as I indicated yesterday, my gut feeling is that GBC will be granted bail.
Unless it's my imagination going nuts, but I've noticed a gradual increase over the years where that bail is granted to murder suspects. I don't see that it's that rare these days at all.

Wondering too, if maybe one reason behind that could be because of clogged up court systems and of the long remand times often seen, in some cases more than 2 years.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 09:41 PM
Why?? This is a an outrage...There is no minor involved...What is the reason for this? Why are they protecting him?

It turned into a media circus because of his own suspicious behaviour and if they are protecting him from that, then this is ridiculous in my opinion.

Maybe more facts are going to be stated in Court and perhaps they think the media will divulge to much information?

I wonder what the poor little girls are thinking about all of this awful stuff happening to them at the moment......They didn't deserve any of this and what is happening to them is a crime in itself......IMO!

I really think if it happens(closed court) its more to do with protecting the case and the evidence for the sake of the future trial..not so much about him..(but yes in the eyes of the law no matter what we think at the moment there is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.)

Bayside
06-20-2012, 09:42 PM
I hope not. Justice is not only done but should be seen to be done.

For society to have faith in the legal system then it needs to be open and transparent. IMO

That it a very good point.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:45 PM
Case closed and Bayside,

Can you remember a new member talking about forensic information a few weeks ago and her daughter worked in a lab? It was around the time the subject was on decomposition/water etc re Allison.

Yes, I do remember, but can't remember who it was.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 09:49 PM
Unless it's my imagination going nuts, but I've noticed a gradual increase over the years where that bail is granted to murder suspects. I don't see that it's that rare these days at all.

Wondering too, if maybe one reason behind that could be because of clogged up court systems and of the long remand times often seen, in some cases more than 2 years.

Yes, I think it is because of the lengthy wait for a trial. Imagine if you are really innocent and you are kept inside for say 3-4 years until a verdict? Miscarriage of justice!

Oz Jen
06-20-2012, 09:52 PM
Hearing delayed til 2.45pm - info from another site. Therefore unconfirmed

Fuskier
06-20-2012, 09:54 PM
Unless it's my imagination going nuts, but I've noticed a gradual increase over the years where that bail is granted to murder suspects. I don't see that it's that rare these days at all.

Wondering too, if maybe one reason behind that could be because of clogged up court systems and of the long remand times often seen, in some cases more than 2 years.
The State Government needs to appoint two more Judges to clear the backlog and reduce the waiting time on remand. MOO. Granting bail in serious cases such as murder because there are lack of Judges is not the solution.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 09:56 PM
Yes, I think it is because of the lengthy wait for a trial. Imagine if you are really innocent and you are kept inside for say 3-4 years until a verdict? Miscarriage of justice!

IF they have strong evidence against the accused then good...keep them locked up.

The accused in Daniel Morcombe case is still locked up...almost 12mths now... so they must have something mighty strong on him.

Mani
06-20-2012, 09:59 PM
Yes, I do remember, but can't remember who it was.

CC can you remember anything about the post - keywords?

BrissyLass
06-20-2012, 09:59 PM
I can't find any mention on any news sites about it being delayed or being a closed court???

Also, is that closed court (closed to the public and the media) or closed to the media?

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:00 PM
IMO organized crime has nothing to do with OW's alleged appeal to friends for financial assistance to pay his legal fees. Occasionally, we see appeals for financial help from ordinary families who may be facing, for example, some serious health care bills and there is no public outrage in those cases. I try and put myself in the BC family's shoes and I would certainly not have any serious funds to pay legal fees for my child. In desperation, would I appeal to my friends for assistance to "save" my child? Maybe. The only "crime" with this appeal is that it was made public (either leaked or paid for). IMO - shoot me now!

Yep, as much as people may find it distasteful for them to do this(and I admit I found it a bit odd), Its hard to imagine what you or I would do in the same situation(God forbid). I can't really judge them-(although I may not agree with or like some of their actions)..they really aren't the ones on trial(at least not yet or unless something changes). How they deal with things, well it may not be how many of us would want or believe we would.. I don't think the email was supposed to go public- I also don't think it was right of channel 10 to show the account details. If BC family truely believe GBC to be innocent and I can get that they may not want to believe anything but that, then they must be feeling pretty desperate at this point to do what they can to get him out.
MOO

Karo
06-20-2012, 10:00 PM
Was Max Sica out on bail?

Cccclllaareb
06-20-2012, 10:02 PM
Is a bail hearing usually an open court?

YoureNicked
06-20-2012, 10:04 PM
Hear! Hear! ACTUS REUS. Justice need to be seen to be done. These legal proceedings need to be transparent, so that we can have faith in our Justice system. MOO

Agree!

:gavel::cop::scale::justice:

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:04 PM
Case closed and Bayside,

Can you remember a new member talking about forensic information a few weeks ago and her daughter worked in a lab? It was around the time the subject was on decomposition/water etc re Allison.


CC can you remember anything about the post - keywords?

I remember it also. But I could not help with words or posters name..sorry.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:04 PM
CC can you remember anything about the post - keywords?

No, sorry! :(

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:04 PM
Is a bail hearing usually an open court?

I believe so.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:05 PM
Was Max Sica out on bail?

I am not really sure with that case.. so much back and forth..he was not arrested for a long time.. I can't remember if there was bail.

NO..just googled it and no he did not get bail http://brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/singh-dad-had-motive-in-childrens-murders-court-20091214-kr2z.html Looks like he has had at least 3 attempts for bail..all denied. this article states 2 attempts and another I saw dated 2011 had a new attempt for bail denied also.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 10:06 PM
Was Max Sica out on bail?

As far as I remember Karo, he was out of jail and then went back i n for some reason - might be wrong.

I really don;t think he will get out this afternoon, I think the judge will take into account the media interest and chance that any trial would be compromised by interviews and actions in the years ahead. It seems to me that the hearing for bail is to protect the public and the integrity of the investigation, as much as the chance of flight or self harm.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 10:06 PM
Was Max Sica out on bail?

No I don't believe so...was arrested 2008, trial began this year.

From a very early report...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/three-years-after-arrest-sica-to-face-murder-trial-20110520-1evn3.html

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:06 PM
I can't find any mention on any news sites about it being delayed or being a closed court???

Also, is that closed court (closed to the public and the media) or closed to the media?

Nine News reporter heard it would be closed to the media (unconfirmed). Don't know about the public.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:07 PM
Was Max Sica out on bail?

I dont think so, he applied several times.

Amee
06-20-2012, 10:08 PM
Case closed and Bayside,

Can you remember a new member talking about forensic information a few weeks ago and her daughter worked in a lab? It was around the time the subject was on decomposition/water etc re Allison.

I mentioned last Friday my daughter works in a lab and that I asked her about beard hair.
Im old member just one that posts very little lol

BreakingNews
06-20-2012, 10:08 PM
I understand that ..... But my thoughts are that why would anyone put up money for anyone if the evidence is pointing so directly at them???

I understand Family Ties and Blood is thicker then water and so on...But there has to be a point when you think or say to yourself.... Enough is Enough..You can be supportive without being financially supportive...IMO!

OW seems to be the driving force in this family and seems to have taken on the burden for the whole family.....This is admirable I suppose, but she isn't doing herself any favours in the eyes of the public and media so therefore when and if he is found guilty she will have to deal with the backlash and whether or not it is right or wrong she will be crucified for her commitment to him.

After the way this family has behaved since Allison's disappearance, I'd be amazed if they got more than $5 in donations. Give to the kids instead.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 10:09 PM
I don't know why..scratches should have healed by now. Can't see the skin shavings helps. They got DNA sample from hair because they could not get mouth swab, so shouldn't need skin shavings.. I think its for some other reason..MOO

the only reason I can think for this Unfolding Truth is scarring.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:10 PM
Yes, I do remember, but can't remember who it was.

Me too and cant remember who, but I cant always remember my kids name so that isnt unusual lol.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:10 PM
Hearing delayed til 2.45pm - info from another site. Therefore unconfirmed

The Law List still has it for 2:30 pm, however I note that Justice Martin has several other things for 2:00 pm, hence a delay may be possible.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__external/CourtsLawList/Brisbane.htm

Flinders
06-20-2012, 10:12 PM
A link to Closed Court for Queensland. There is a section re Bail. http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/86065/sd-bb-61-closed-court-exceptions-to-the-general-rule-of-openness.pdf

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:13 PM
the only reason I can think for this Unfolding Truth is scarring.

Do you mean for shaving off the beard? Yeah I would think the scratches would have to have been deep for scarring to have occured. Superficial scratches should normally heal in the time it has been since Allison disappeared.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:13 PM
After the way this family has behaved since Allison's disappearance, I'd be amazed if they got more than $5 in donations. Give to the kids instead.

I admit I tried to transfer one cent just so I could leave them a little message.

But it would only allow a one dollar min transfer and no way I am paying that much to say pluck you lol.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:15 PM
A link to Closed Court for Queensland. There is a section re Bail. http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/86065/sd-bb-61-closed-court-exceptions-to-the-general-rule-of-openness.pdf

Thanks, very interesting read.

Karo
06-20-2012, 10:17 PM
Do you mean for shaving off the beard? Yeah I would think the scratches would have to have been deep for scarring to have occured. Superficial scratches should normally heal in the time it has been since Allison disappeared.

They asked for the shaven beard though, so if he does not appear in court, how will scarring fit in?

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:17 PM
I mentioned last Friday my daughter works in a lab and that I asked her about beard hair.
Im old member just one that posts very little lol

Thanks Amee, as much as I hate to bring this up did you also mention the hand thing?

Radster
06-20-2012, 10:19 PM
The bolded statement allegedly coming from OW implies that investigators may be dishonest.This shows disrespect for the Police investigation with a paranoid tinge. As a result of their investigation, the Police have arrested and 'charged' the alleged murderer within The Law. The alleged murderer will be called to account in a Criminal Court of Law where the Police evidence will be tested to prove beyond reasonable doubt. MOO.

As I've said once before here, I know for a FACT that the arresting officer and other QPS officers went to Townsville to meet with Olivia the DAY BEFORE GBC was arrested. Not Monday, not Tuesday, not three weeks earlier ... it was WEDNESDAY. Gerard was arrested on the Thursday. I find it very difficult to not link these two events. What did Olivia say or not say that led officers to go ahead with the arrest the very next day? I find Olivia's current position very difficult to read in this context ... is she perhaps feeling guilty about her part in Gerard's arrest? Does she want him to see (or at least hear of through his lawyer) her tangible support? Even if she believes him to be guilty, she may well feel that he doesn't deserve to spend his life in jail and that he would not do anything dastardly again? She must be very, very conflicted right now. MOO.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 10:19 PM
the only reason I can think for this Unfolding Truth is scarring.

I still think it's something to do with appearance...last Friday they wanted a beard sample for testing & wasn't until later, early this week??, he was ordered to shave if off.

In this case the accused was ordered by the court to "grow a beard"...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-09-21/news/1994264107_1_arrest-warrant-detective

Bobbie Elliott
06-20-2012, 10:22 PM
Baden-Clay bail application

21 June 2012 , 8:21 AM by Spencer Howson

The Supreme Court will today hear a bail application for 41-year-old Gerard Baden-Clay who was last week charged with murdering his wife and unlawfully interfering with a corpse.

According to Ten News and The Courier-Mail, Gerard Baden-Clay's family has made an appeal to family and friends to raise money to defend his innocence.

Terry O'Gorman is vice president of the Queensland Council of Civil Liberties. He's a defence lawyer - though not Gerard Baden-Clay's. I spoke to him about the fundraising efforts moments ago:


Thank you Makara

IMO begging for money indicates that GBC and his current financial supporters (if there are any) have already run out of money for legal costs. It's very very early days for the case. If they are having trouble now, what will the do when the costs start piling up?

The $30,000 his legal team appear to be demanding before they turn up to court today is a tiny part of what will be an enormous bill. Where's the rest of the money going to come from?? - more begging emails?? Someone will have to pay for it if GBC and all the other BCs can't or won't pay the bills.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 10:24 PM
As I've said once before here, I know for a FACT that the arresting officer and other QPS officers went to Townsville to meet with Olivia the DAY BEFORE GBC was arrested. Not Monday, not Tuesday, not three weeks earlier ... it was WEDNESDAY. Gerard was arrested on the Thursday. I find it very difficult to not link these two events. What did Olivia say or not say that led officers to go ahead with the arrest the very next day? I find Olivia's current position very difficult to read in this context ... is she perhaps feeling guilty about her part in Gerard's arrest? Does she want him to see (or at least hear of through his lawyer) her tangible support? Even if she believes him to be guilty, she may well feel that he doesn't deserve to spend his life in jail and that he would not do anything dastardly again? She must be very, very conflicted right now. MOO.

GBC was arrested Wednesday afternoon??...unless I've lost a day somewhere...lol.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:24 PM
They asked for the shaven beard though, so if he does not appear in court, how will scarring fit in?

Hi Karo, I wasn't really saying it would fit. I was just saying I don't think the skin shavings would be needed for DNA purpose and I doubt that scratches would be able to be seen at this point(cause of healing) unless they were very deep and left some residual markings. However he does not need to front court for them to be tabled.. the Police can take photos of these for evidence.


I still think it's something to do with appearance...last Friday they wanted a beard sample for testing & wasn't until later, early this week??, he was ordered to shave if off.

In this case the accused was ordered by the court to "grow a beard"...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-09-21/news/1994264107_1_arrest-warrant-detective


Yes I am tending to lean towards it being something to do with appearance(unless of course they were checking the scratches if deep enough to still be visible and matching them to angles etc)

MOO

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:24 PM
As I've said once before here, I know for a FACT that the arresting officer and other QPS officers went to Townsville to meet with Olivia the DAY BEFORE GBC was arrested. Not Monday, not Tuesday, not three weeks earlier ... it was WEDNESDAY. Gerard was arrested on the Thursday. I find it very difficult to not link these two events. What did Olivia say or not say that led officers to go ahead with the arrest the very next day? I find Olivia's current position very difficult to read in this context ... is she perhaps feeling guilty about her part in Gerard's arrest? Does she want him to see (or at least hear of through his lawyer) her tangible support? Even if she believes him to be guilty, she may well feel that he doesn't deserve to spend his life in jail and that he would not do anything dastardly again? She must be very, very conflicted right now. MOO.

He was arrested the same Wednesday, June 13, at about 2-3 pm.

Amee
06-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Thanks Amee, as much as I hate to bring this up did you also mention the hand thing?

No sorry I didnt Bayside. I dont ask too much about her work. If she wants to talk about certain things we listen, but the confidentiality side makes things tricky.

Aunty
06-20-2012, 10:26 PM
I still think it's something to do with appearance...last Friday they wanted a beard sample for testing & wasn't until later, early this week??, he was ordered to shave if off.

In this case the accused was ordered by the court to "grow a beard"...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-09-21/news/1994264107_1_arrest-warrant-detective

Maybe all males held in jail , must be clean shaven.
Might just be a jail rule.

Watsonian Institute
06-20-2012, 10:28 PM
Nine News reporter heard it would be closed to the media (unconfirmed). Don't know about the public.

Closed court means closed to the public, which includes the media.

The public and the media are treated the same under the law, including in aspects of legislation (ie defamation, sub judice).

Cheers

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:29 PM
No sorry I didnt Bayside. I dont ask too much about her work. If she wants to talk about certain things we listen, but the confidentiality side makes things tricky.

Oh I understand, thanks.

I just wanted to ask the hand message person a question.

Radster
06-20-2012, 10:30 PM
GBC was arrested Wednesday afternoon??...unless I've lost a day somewhere...lol.

My bad. My point was that the Townsville visit was definitely the day before.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Another Lunch Break video coming up right about now....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/family-appeals-for-help-on-fees/story-e6freon6-1226403540069

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:30 PM
As I've said once before here, I know for a FACT that the arresting officer and other QPS officers went to Townsville to meet with Olivia the DAY BEFORE GBC was arrested. Not Monday, not Tuesday, not three weeks earlier ... it was WEDNESDAY. Gerard was arrested on the Thursday. I find it very difficult to not link these two events. What did Olivia say or not say that led officers to go ahead with the arrest the very next day? I find Olivia's current position very difficult to read in this context ... is she perhaps feeling guilty about her part in Gerard's arrest? Does she want him to see (or at least hear of through his lawyer) her tangible support? Even if she believes him to be guilty, she may well feel that he doesn't deserve to spend his life in jail and that he would not do anything dastardly again? She must be very, very conflicted right now. MOO.


GBC was arrested Wednesday afternoon??...unless I've lost a day somewhere...lol.

No Marlywings, it was Wednesday..(Radster probably got his/her days mixed up)

Radster thanks for the info, interesting. Please don't take offence if I file it under the useful hearsay file.. I believe you must have a reason for stating it as fact(are you able to say?) just as some other posters have had information over time, but as we can't verify it we don't know it as factual(though you may).. But still interesting to keep in mind. It was reported That Police arrested him on the Wednesday after originally planning to arrest Friday, but they were concerned for his emotional state after police had been interviewing his family that week, so what you are saying may fit with this.

Flinders
06-20-2012, 10:34 PM
******

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:35 PM
Will he or won't he appear today? ... I think he will stay in the comfy medical unit. What do you all think?

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 10:36 PM
As I've said once before here, I know for a FACT that the arresting officer and other QPS officers went to Townsville to meet with Olivia the DAY BEFORE GBC was arrested. Not Monday, not Tuesday, not three weeks earlier ... it was WEDNESDAY. Gerard was arrested on the Thursday. I find it very difficult to not link these two events. What did Olivia say or not say that led officers to go ahead with the arrest the very next day? I find Olivia's current position very difficult to read in this context ... is she perhaps feeling guilty about her part in Gerard's arrest? Does she want him to see (or at least hear of through his lawyer) her tangible support? Even if she believes him to be guilty, she may well feel that he doesn't deserve to spend his life in jail and that he would not do anything dastardly again? She must be very, very conflicted right now. MOO.

I don't know Radster this case gets more and more bizarre and fascinating.

I think Olivia's actions are driven by her family (BC) and the need to pay the bill, even she has given evidence that has incriminated him, and if that is the case, perhaps she isn't aware of what she said.

Keeping up with the Jones, seems to be the family motto!!

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 10:37 PM
Will he or won't he appear today? ... I think he will stay in the comfy medical unit. What do you all think?

I agree he will stay "at home", it is a lovely day out though!

Karo
06-20-2012, 10:38 PM
Another Lunch Break video coming up right about now....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/family-appeals-for-help-on-fees/story-e6freon6-1226403540069

I noticed Alison Sandy sidestepped the question about where she got the email.

BrissyLass
06-20-2012, 10:39 PM
Nope, won't appear

BreakingNews
06-20-2012, 10:39 PM
[QUOTE=Makara;8070074]Baden-Clay bail application

21 June 2012 , 8:21 AM by Spencer Howson

The Supreme Court will today hear a bail application for 41-year-old Gerard Baden-Clay who was last week charged with murdering his wife and unlawfully interfering with a corpse.

According to Ten News and The Courier-Mail, Gerard Baden-Clay's family has made an appeal to family and friends to raise money to defend his innocence.

Terry O'Gorman is vice president of the Queensland Council of Civil Liberties. He's a defence lawyer - though not Gerard Baden-Clay's. I spoke to him about the fundraising efforts moments ago:


Thank you Makara

IMO begging for money indicates that GBC and his current financial supporters (if there are any) have already run out of money for legal costs. It's very very early days for the case. If they are having trouble now, what will the do when the costs start piling up?

The $30,000 his legal team appear to be demanding before they turn up to court today is a tiny part of what will be an enormous bill. Where's the rest of the money going to come from?? - more begging emails?? Someone will have to pay for it if GBC and all the other BCs can't or won't pay the bills.
Then Legal Aid will step in. Then we will all be paying for his legal fees. I said when he was arrested that I wondered how long the legal specialists would hang around.

Mani
06-20-2012, 10:40 PM
I mentioned last Friday my daughter works in a lab and that I asked her about beard hair.
Im old member just one that posts very little lol


:cheers:
Amee - thank you for reminding us

squizzey1
06-20-2012, 10:45 PM
No Marlywings, it was Wednesday.. Radster thanks for the info, interesting. Please don't take offence if I file it under the useful hearsay file.. I believe you must have a reason for stating it as fact just as some other posters have had information over time, but as we can't verify it we do not know what you know as factual.. But still interesting to keep in mind.
Thanks Radster. you say its fact and i believe it. seems on here anything we say we know is just hearsay unless we can line up names addresses times places etc. some stuff we know we cannot say more about. for example it could have been a relative of yours who went but u cant put that here. seems everthing must be verified yet people believe any garbage as long as it is the paper:banghead:

sheldor
06-20-2012, 10:48 PM
Case closed and Bayside,

Can you remember a new member talking about forensic information a few weeks ago and her daughter worked in a lab? It was around the time the subject was on decomposition/water etc re Allison.

Try "mitochondrial" -- I don't remember the poster but I remember that word :-)

Zorro
06-20-2012, 10:48 PM
If the bail hearing later today is in a closed court I think that GBC won't get bail. The prosecution may want to use some evidence of the crime to convince the judge of GBC's nature and aspects of the murder. To do that in an open bail hearing could predjudice the chance of finding an impartial jury later for the trial.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:49 PM
Thanks Radster. you say its fact and i believe it. seems on here anything we say we know is just hearsay unless we can line up names addresses times places etc. some stuff we know we cannot say more about. for example it could have been a relative of yours who went but u cant put that here. seems everthing must be verified yet people believe any garbage as long as it is the paper:banghead:

Squizzy1, I did reword what I said. But it is true that unless it can be verified it is hearsay..WS requires you to verify fact and if you can't it has to be classed as hearsay. I did not say at all that I did not believe radster. I said I believe they have a reason for stating it as fact. I understand the frustration believe me. (and I never meant any offence, appologies if it was taken that way).

BreakingNews
06-20-2012, 10:49 PM
I noticed Alison Sandy sidestepped the question about where she got the email.

I loved the way the appeal for the girls was given a good plug. That's how it should be!

Oz Jen
06-20-2012, 10:51 PM
The Law List still has it for 2:30 pm, however I note that Justice Martin has several other things for 2:00 pm, hence a delay may be possible.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__external/CourtsLawList/Brisbane.htm

Thanks. Report of delayed hearing just from social media site, so unconfirmed.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:51 PM
Will he or won't he appear today? ... I think he will stay in the comfy medical unit. What do you all think?

I recall reading that he would not appear, cant remember where.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 10:53 PM
I noticed Alison Sandy sidestepped the question about where she got the email.

Yes she jumped right over that question...could have been someone who works for a media outlet or someone has passed it on to media for $$$s which is so wrong!!!

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:54 PM
I recall reading that he would not appear, cant remember where.

Yes, several reporters have said that it is not expected, however he has the right to appear if he wishes, but I think he is happy "in hiding" right now.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:56 PM
Yes she jumped right over that question...could have been someone who works for a media outlet or someone has passed it on to media for $$$s which is so wrong!!!

But wasn't the email obtained by Channel 10 in the first instance?

Thinking
06-20-2012, 10:56 PM
Yes, I do remember, but can't remember who it was.

I'm playing catch-up so someone may have already said this - but I'm sure it was Amee? Amee are you there? :)

Bayside
06-20-2012, 10:57 PM
Yes, several reporters have said that it is not expected, however he has the right to appear if he wishes, but I think he is happy "in hiding" right now.

Yeah he is probably suffering some self esteem issues about now too.

If he in fact has a choice to appear, I wonder if there would be more chance of that if his lawyers believed that bail would be approved.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:58 PM
I'm playing catch-up so someone may have already said this - but I'm sure it was Amee? Amee are you there? :)

Yes, she has already replied. Thanks.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 10:58 PM
I'm playing catch-up so someone may have already said this - but I'm sure it was Amee? Amee are you there? :)

:star2: yes it was! Amee actually just replied above to say it was her. :)

Thinking
06-20-2012, 10:59 PM
I mentioned last Friday my daughter works in a lab and that I asked her about beard hair.
Im old member just one that posts very little lol

Oh I knew I'd be too late - I always do that! :) Thanks Amee :)

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 10:59 PM
Yeah he is probably suffering some self esteem issues about now too.

If he in fact has a choice to appear, I wonder if there would be more chance of that if his lawyers believed that bail would be approved.

I believe in some cases it would be helpful for the Judge to look at the accused (from the defence point of view). After all, a clean shaven GBC looks very harmless. IMO.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 11:00 PM
But wasn't the email obtained by Channel 10 in the first instance?

Yes I think that's what they said...but then where did they get it from??...someone who works for news 10 or someone sent it to them in exchange for $$$s??

marlywings
06-20-2012, 11:02 PM
alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents Nigel and Elaine have left their Kenmore home ahead of today's bail application hearing at Brisbane Supreme Crt

http://twitter.com/#!/alisonsandy

marlywings
06-20-2012, 11:04 PM
alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy
They were dressed up, so it's assumed they will attend the hearing even though their son is not expected to @couriermail #badenclay
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They might be just going out for lunch...lol.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 11:05 PM
alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents Nigel and Elaine have left their Kenmore home ahead of today's bail application hearing at Brisbane Supreme Crt

http://twitter.com/#!/alisonsandy

They might be dressed up ready to pick their son up lol.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 11:05 PM
alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents Nigel and Elaine have left their Kenmore home ahead of today's bail application hearing at Brisbane Supreme Crt

http://twitter.com/#!/alisonsandy

so does that mean it is not a closed court?

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 11:10 PM
so does that mean it is not a closed court?

... or they'll wait in the hall way?

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 11:12 PM
... or they'll wait in the hall way?

Dare I say it for fear of attack, they are waiting at there search headquarters

Mothergoose
06-20-2012, 11:17 PM
They are probably carrying a substantial bank cheque with them IMO.

If they are completely innocent of any involvement in this and they truly believe GBC is innocent ,I have to feel compassion for them. It must be taking a serious toll on their health.
This sort of stress can slowly kill you if you let it. Whatever the outcome today they have a lot more to deal with in the future as do the Dickies and the children. I feel for them all. IMO

coolcat
06-20-2012, 11:21 PM
Oh I understand, thanks.

I just wanted to ask the hand message person a question.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may have been Angel1 who heard it from a law enforcement person?

mum73
06-20-2012, 11:21 PM
If they are completely innocent of any involvement in this and they truly believe GBC is innocent ,I have to feel compassion for them. It must be taking a serious toll on their health.
This sort of stress can slowly kill you if you let it. Whatever the outcome today they have a lot more to deal with in the future as do the Dickies and the children. I feel for them all. IMO

I would have to agree. I really don't understand how the constant attacks on the BC family contribute to the "sleuthing" of this case.

Mystique75
06-20-2012, 11:22 PM
A link to Closed Court for Queensland. There is a section re Bail. http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/86065/sd-bb-61-closed-court-exceptions-to-the-general-rule-of-openness.pdf

Thanks Flinders, that is a useful link, I found this to be (IMO) particularly useful (BBM):

"• Justices Act 1886
Open / Closed Court
There is a general presumption that courts should be open and public28 but justices can, in the interests of public morality, require some or all persons to be excluded (but not the legal representatives of the defendant). It is open to justices to exclude strangers if it appears that the ends of justices require it....

• Bail Act 1980
Restrictions on publication
Where the complainant or prosecutor opposes the defendant’s release (under Part 2 – Grant and Enlargement of Bail and Other Release), a court can order that the evidence, information, representations of either party or the reasons for the court’s refusal of bail shall not be published – in the case where the examination relates to a witness to an indictable offence which examination is held before the defendant’s discharge, or where the defendant is tried or committed for trial but before the trial is ended."

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 11:26 PM
I would have to agree. I really don't understand how the constant attacks on the BC family contribute to the "sleuthing" of this case.

I agree.

Amee
06-20-2012, 11:26 PM
Maybe a silly question but , will GBC be on a phone link ? If he isnt at the court when and how will he find out the decision? (Throw fruit if you need to, Im ready :) )

J-Diggety
06-20-2012, 11:26 PM
I would have to agree. I really don't understand how the constant attacks on the BC family contribute to the "sleuthing" of this case.

Concur

I really hope they know nothing

J-Diggety
06-20-2012, 11:28 PM
Maybe a silly question but , will GBC be on a phone link ? If he isnt at the court when and how will he find out the decision? (Throw fruit if you need to, Im ready :) )

I'm prety sure his legal team would advise him in person.

CaseClosed
06-20-2012, 11:29 PM
Maybe a silly question but , will GBC be on a phone link ? If he isnt at the court when and how will he find out the decision? (Throw fruit if you need to, Im ready :) )

I guess his lawyers will inform the Prison, etc. and some paperwork will follow.

Amee
06-20-2012, 11:30 PM
ok Thank you J-Diggety and CaseClosed

Jillie
06-20-2012, 11:32 PM
Does anyone know how long a bail application like this can take? When are we likely to hear?

coolcat
06-20-2012, 11:33 PM
Maybe a silly question but , will GBC be on a phone link ? If he isnt at the court when and how will he find out the decision? (Throw fruit if you need to, Im ready :) )

He may appear via Video link and if granted Bail he will be picked up at the correctional centre once his Bail has been posted and he has signed off on his Bail conditions which in my opinion will be very strict if granted which will no doubt include daily reports to local Police.- His Reps will notify him when the proceedings are dealt with.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 11:34 PM
Dare I say it for fear of attack, they are waiting at there search headquarters

whose waiting at whose search headquarters? lol..I'm lost.

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 11:35 PM
Does anyone know how long a bail application like this can take? When are we likely to hear?

I think it was mentioned in media a few days ago that it will be approx. 40minutes.

marlywings
06-20-2012, 11:36 PM
Does anyone know how long a bail application like this can take? When are we likely to hear?

The bail application will be heard on June 21 and is expected to take 40 minutes

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/badenclay-to-seek-bail-next-week-20120614-20bfw.html

Aunty
06-20-2012, 11:38 PM
I would have to agree. I really don't understand how the constant attacks on the BC family contribute to the "sleuthing" of this case.

I also agree.
They are caught up in this and they are the elderly.

minni
06-20-2012, 11:39 PM
They might be dressed up ready to pick their son up lol.

Just like bringing your baby home from the hospital......NOT

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 11:41 PM
I agree.

i agree as well.

Bayside
06-20-2012, 11:41 PM
I think it was mentioned in media a few days ago that it will be approx. 40minutes.

A very loooooooooong 40 mins for Gerard

Mothergoose
06-20-2012, 11:42 PM
He may appear via Video link and if granted Bail he will be picked up at the correctional centre once his Bail has been posted and he has signed off on his Bail conditions which in my opinion will be very strict if granted which will no doubt include daily reports to local Police.- His Reps will notify him when the proceedings are dealt with.

He might even have to wear one of those ankle monitors to track his where about at all times ...who knows IMO

coolcat
06-20-2012, 11:43 PM
"Al, beautiful Al, we love you so very much and your girls want you home and so do we," she told The Courier-Mail this morning.
She said the adults were being honest with the children, three girls aged 10, 8 and 5, who just wanted to be reunited with their mother.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/missing-mum-allison-baden-clays-three-young-daughters-holding-up-but-want-her-home-soon/story-e6frfku0-1226337865137#ixzz1yOb60YAE

If found Guilty...This statement will be far from honest!

Or did they actually tell them that Daddy killed Mummy?

Bayside
06-20-2012, 11:47 PM
"Al, beautiful Al, we love you so very much and your girls want you home and so do we," she told The Courier-Mail this morning.
She said the adults were being honest with the children, three girls aged 10, 8 and 5, who just wanted to be reunited with their mother.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/missing-mum-allison-baden-clays-three-young-daughters-holding-up-but-want-her-home-soon/story-e6frfku0-1226337865137#ixzz1yOb60YAE

If found Guilty...This statement will be far from honest!

Or did they actually tell them that Daddy killed Mummy?

I dont know if they would doubt him, unless they were some way involved.

I wonder if they would support him if they did believe it, I guess some people stand by their loved ones no matter what.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 11:47 PM
whose waiting at whose search headquarters? lol..I'm lost.

Spratsmum, I hope you weren't referring to me attacking you??

No darling I wasn't referring to you at all. Did you attack me? Missed it sorry.

when I think it was caseclosed, said about the BC waiting in the halllway, it just reminded me of the Dickies waiting to hear about their child's fate day after day, it just seems to a similar situation. No big deal.

squizzey1
06-20-2012, 11:51 PM
shortest day of the year . could be his longest. as someone said a looooooong 40 minutes. i still reckon he wont get it, or am i just hoping

Aunty
06-20-2012, 11:52 PM
He might even have to wear one of those ankle monitors to track his where about at all times ...who knows IMO

iMO , IF he is successful , i pray for the emotional and physical safety of these children. Hopefully If If If , :maddening: the children are allowed to be left alone with him, :maddening: they will be asked to wear a personal security alarm, that if triggered , will have police there to help within minutes.
I am so worried for their safety. :please:

Curiousasacat
06-20-2012, 11:54 PM
I had a feeling that might happen, that is not good. I wonder how often that happens.

I'll be sure to watch this guys twitter- name removed
"Sitting by myself waiting for the Baden Clay bail application... I'm that cool"

He's been asking people all morning to go with him LOL

UnfoldingTruth
06-20-2012, 11:54 PM
No darling I wasn't referring to you at all. Did you attack me? Missed it sorry.

when I think it was caseclosed, said about the BC waiting in the halllway, it just reminded me of the Dickies waiting to hear about their child's fate day after day, it just seems to a similar situation. No big deal.

ah ok! got you..No I did not attack you, lol.. just thought people thought I was attacking some one elses post regarding something they know as fact. I certainly wasn't .. I maybe a little sensitive today.. lol.

spratsmum
06-20-2012, 11:59 PM
iMO , IF he is successful , i pray for the emotional and physical safety of these children. Hopefully If If If , :maddening: the children are allowed to be left alone with him, :maddening: they will be asked to wear a personal security alarm, that if triggered , will have police there to help within minutes.
I am so worried for their safety. :please:

Surely they won't be shuffled back to Dad if he is released.

I don;t know whether they have gone to school this week as school holidays start tomorrow, but surely that is something that needs to be sorted out and plans made for some future stability.

Lets hope that the parents of one of their friends is going away for the holidays and has invited one of the older girls to join them

YoureNicked
06-21-2012, 12:00 AM
iMO , IF he is successful , i pray for the emotional and physical safety of these children. Hopefully If If If , :maddening: the children are allowed to be left alone with him, :maddening: they will be asked to wear a personal security alarm, that if triggered , will have police there to help within minutes.
I am so worried for their safety. :please:

Am of the same opinion, Aunty.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/crimes-violence/201202/josh-powell-dangerous-men-child-visitation-and-joint-custody-laws

Although the case described in the link above is a bit different to Allison's I find the last paragraph could certainly be relevant here.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:01 AM
ah ok! got you..No I did not attack you, lol.. just thought people thought I was attacking some one elses post regarding something they know as fact. I certainly wasn't .. I maybe a little sensitive today.. lol.

settle sweetheat! Have a nice warm drink and let the next 90 minutes or so wash over you!!! LOL

UnfoldingTruth
06-21-2012, 12:04 AM
settle sweetheat! Have a nice warm drink and let the next 90 minutes or so wash over you!!! LOL

:D am settled..oh dear reminds me of some numberplates...

Nice cup of hot chocolate should help..think I need to take a break whilst the hearing is on or I'll be glued to here all day..

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:04 AM
I'll be sure to watch this guys twitter- name removed
"Sitting by myself waiting for the Baden Clay bail application... I'm that cool"

He's been asking people all morning to go with him LOL

So he is a bit of a nigel no friends huh lol, wonder if anyone will take him up on his offer.

squizzey1
06-21-2012, 12:05 AM
Surely they won't be shuffled back to Dad if he is released.

I don;t know whether they have gone to school this week as school holidays start tomorrow, but surely that is something that needs to be sorted out and plans made for some future stability.

Lets hope that the parents of one of their friends is going away for the holidays and has invited one of the older girls to join them
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:06 AM
:D am settled..oh dear reminds me of some numberplates...

Nice cup of hot chocolate should help..think I need to take a break whilst the hearing is on or I'll be glued to here all day..

I have to admit I have got no work at all done today, lucky I am self employed or I would be in big trouble haha.

coolcat
06-21-2012, 12:07 AM
"Gerard needs and deserves the very best legal team to defend his innocence."

Exerpt of email sent from OW.....

I didn't see this type of pleading when Allison was missing and nor did I see any type of desperation to find her...... Their priorities have really annoyed me and guilty or not their behaviour with all of this is dispicable....IMO

Keentoknow
06-21-2012, 12:07 AM
No darling I wasn't referring to you at all. Did you attack me? Missed it sorry.

when I think it was caseclosed, said about the BC waiting in the halllway, it just reminded me of the Dickies waiting to hear about their child's fate day after day, it just seems to a similar situation. No big deal.

Spratsmum... I can assure you that waiting for bail is not similar to the Dixies waiting for their daughters fate.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:08 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

Oh that is right, you mentioned it too.

Just out of curiosity did they mention the COD as well, dont have to say what just if they did or not.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:09 AM
Spratsmum... I can assure you that waiting for bail is not similar to the Dixies waiting for their daughters fate.

It couldnt even come close, there could be nothing worse than what the Dickies have been through.

possumheart
06-21-2012, 12:10 AM
:eye: :eye:
Are we there yet?

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
"Gerard needs and deserves the very best legal team to defend his innocence."

Exerpt of email sent from OW.....

I didn't see this type of pleading when Allison was missing and nor did I see any type of desperation to find her...... Their priorities have really annoyed me and guilty or not their behaviour with all of this is dispicable....IMO

I agree and I hope Gerard gets exactly what he deserves.

Mani
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

Squizzey, please don't worry yourself about the doubters. I believe you and I am not alone.

:tyou:

coolcat
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
I dont know if they would doubt him, unless they were some way involved.

I wonder if they would support him if they did believe it, I guess some people stand by their loved ones no matter what.

Obviously Allison wasn't loved by them because no support was shown when she had dissappeared.....No Media Confrence to plea for her to come home...No interest in waiting at Command Post.....No interest to give media details.....NOTHING!

He showed more concern for letting people know he was still open for business.... Whats with that?:banghead:

Davita
06-21-2012, 12:13 AM
I just realised that there are TWO different letters. Can I post it here? I have screen shots. I am a bit confused by it all.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:13 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

Well to be fair the least you could do is supply a rollcall and a video to prove it lolol.

I wonder if they will end up back at their old school, its a shame they are taken away from their friends at such a difficult time.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:14 AM
I just realised that there are TWO different letters. Can I post it here? I have screen shots. I am a bit confused by it all.

Yeah please do, I am sure if there is a problem someone will complain quickly enough and it can be removed lol.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:15 AM
It couldnt even come close, there could be nothing worse than what the Dickies have been through.

as I haven;t been in either situation i am not sure. But they are both waiting on an outcome of the fate of their children - i think it must be horrid.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:18 AM
Obviously Allison wasn't loved by them because no support was shown when she had dissappeared.....No Media Confrence to plea for her to come home...No interest in waiting at Command Post.....No interest to give media details.....NOTHING!

He showed more concern for letting people know he was still open for business.... Whats with that?:banghead:

I know that is what bothered me about him. And if OW can put enough words together to write an email begging people for money then why didnt she put a nice little statement thanking everyone when Allisons body was found.

At the very least his family should have thanked the police, rescue crews and public.

UnfoldingTruth
06-21-2012, 12:19 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall


Squizzey, please don't worry yourself about the doubters. I believe you and I am not alone.

:tyou:

Squizzy1, I am not doubting anyone.. I take what people say and decide for myself if I believe it to be reasonable. I don't question really what you are saying.. You have in the past seemed to have a fair knowledge of things. It makes sense that they may have been kept out of school for the time being.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:19 AM
as I haven;t been in either situation i am not sure. But they are both waiting on an outcome of the fate of their children - i think it must be horrid.

I think it makes a huge difference that one had no choice in the matter.

linette
06-21-2012, 12:20 AM
shortest day of the year . could be his longest. as someone said a looooooong 40 minutes. i still reckon he wont get it, or am i just hoping

Well, I'm hoping that your hoping is right. lol

CaseClosed
06-21-2012, 12:20 AM
A Sandy tweet: OW has arrived with his legal team.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:20 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

that makes sense Squizzy because the Dickies live at the Gold Coast and with the school holidays being so close it would be easier and tempting just to keep them with you.

I can see that going back to Brookfield would in some ways be best for the girls, but a perhaps a new school and new of lot of people may be a good call it would be hard to decide. The Brookfield option would mean the Dickies would need to uproot which is probably not the best option. The new school, new friend, new start is probably in my opinion, the better of the two options. I am glad it is not my decision to make. IMO

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:23 AM
I think it makes a huge difference that one had no choice in the matter.

i don't think either groups of parents had a choice in the matter, both groups of parents are victims of circumstance.

I know it is different, but at least the Dickies have some resolution, the BC may never have any answers. IMO

coolcat
06-21-2012, 12:23 AM
my grandchildrens mother who has a girl in the same class said they havent been at school since the arrest. just hearsay i suppose for the doubters, but thats as close as it gets unless someone can provide the rollcall

"It's going to be a long road,'' she said.
"We're just really focusing on being there for the girls at the moment. For a couple of days we're in lockdown, just trying to keep them safe and out of the public eye.''


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-barred-after-gerard-baden-clay-arrest/story-e6frfkvr-1226397286105#ixzz1yOlbjhCY

squizzey1
06-21-2012, 12:23 AM
Oh that is right, you mentioned it too.

Just out of curiosity did they mention the COD as well, dont have to say what just if they did or not.
yep they did and i did post that some time ago. if i bring it up again there are sure to be some more attacks , sorry for being cynical

UnfoldingTruth
06-21-2012, 12:24 AM
that makes sense Squizzy because the Dickies live at the Gold Coast and with the school holidays being so close it would be easier and tempting just to keep them with you.

I can see that going back to Brookfield would in some ways be best for the girls, but a perhaps a new school and new of lot of people may be a good call it would be hard to decide. The Brookfield option would mean the Dickies would need to uproot which is probably not the best option. The new school, new friend, new start is probably in my opinion, the better of the two options. I am glad it is not my decision to make. IMO

How awful all round.. The Dickies are not young, this must be taking an awful toll and certainly not how they would ever have envisioned having to spend their retirement years..(Even for the BC's they must also be having a difficult time, providing they are not guilty of having a hand in things)

linette
06-21-2012, 12:25 AM
As for Gerard deserving only the best... I think he deserves no better than what he showed towards his wife that horrible night.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:25 AM
A Sandy tweet: OW has arrived with his legal team.

Ow has arrived with GBC legal team?

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:25 AM
shortest day of the year . could be his longest. as someone said a looooooong 40 minutes. i still reckon he wont get it, or am i just hoping

I am going to say I think he will get out on bail.

I know I mentioned to you before I have been wrong once before and I didnt like it lolol... but this time I would so loooooove to be wrong.

squizzey1
06-21-2012, 12:26 AM
that makes sense Squizzy because the Dickies live at the Gold Coast and with the school holidays being so close it would be easier and tempting just to keep them with you.

I can see that going back to Brookfield would in some ways be best for the girls, but a perhaps a new school and new of lot of people may be a good call it would be hard to decide. The Brookfield option would mean the Dickies would need to uproot which is probably not the best option. The new school, new friend, new start is probably in my opinion, the better of the two options. I am glad it is not my decision to make. IMO
there is talk the Dickies may move to try to keep some stability in their little lives. i am sure it wont worry the Dickies to uproot , their only thing at the moment is those little girls.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:26 AM
As for Gerard deserving only the best... I think he deserves no better than what he showed towards his wife that horrible night.

Seems very fair to me

Dodo
06-21-2012, 12:27 AM
:D am settled..oh dear reminds me of some numberplates...

Nice cup of hot chocolate should help..think I need to take a break whilst the hearing is on or I'll be glued to here all day..

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:Oh, you so funny you are - perhaps a dash of rum in that hot chokky!!:floorlaugh:

CaseClosed
06-21-2012, 12:27 AM
Ow has arrived with GBC legal team?

yes, as per tweet from Alison Sandy 15 mins ago.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:28 AM
How awful all round.. The Dickies are not young, this must be taking an awful toll and certainly not how they would ever have envisioned having to spend their retirement years..(Even for the BC's they must also be having a difficult time, providing they are not guilty of having a hand in things)

That is one of the saddest thing about this case (in a multitude of sad events) the little girls may face losing a grandparent/s in the not too distant future. Perhaps our prayer should be that God grants each of the grandparents a long life so they can be there for the little girls.

Bayside
06-21-2012, 12:29 AM
there is talk the Dickies may move to try to keep some stability in their little lives. i am sure it wont worry the Dickies to uproot , their only thing at the moment is those little girls.

I am sure they would put the girls first with every choice they make.

I hope they are doing ok right now, can you imagine how they feel.

I hope that he stays locked up and there is a big celebration at the cricket match and they raise lots of money to help the girls.

UnfoldingTruth
06-21-2012, 12:29 AM
yep they did and i did post that some time ago. if i bring it up again there are sure to be some more attacks , sorry for being cynical

I don't remember seeing that- does that mean I have to trawl back? lol. Honestly squizzy1, for the most part people do not 'attack' (as Mods have said attack the post not the poster).. but are entitiled to question things that they can't verify..Does not mean they are attacking(usually) or even that they don't believe what you are saying.. By the way, was it you that got verified? or someone else? I can't remember.
(Anyway, I want to reiterate I was not attacking a previous posters post- in case you are referring to that).

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:31 AM
Do you want me to do twitter feeds?

minni
06-21-2012, 12:32 AM
ITS TWO THIRTY!!!!! Fingers crossed

Aussie_expat.sg
06-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Obviously Allison wasn't loved by them because no support was shown when she had dissappeared.....No Media Confrence to plea for her to come home...No interest in waiting at Command Post.....No interest to give media details.....NOTHING!

He showed more concern for letting people know he was still open for business.... Whats with that?:banghead:

In my humble opinion you could only do all this (help look for her, plead to the public, work at the command post) if you felt totally innocent, and you knew everyone in the family was innocent. I know there have been cases (like the SES guy) where someone has pretended to be concerned, but I think this crew knew they couldn't get away with it. Not when the whole town knew the husband was having an affair. Olivia either has known or has suspected all along. She is loyal. I see her sticking with GBC to the end. I'm with a lot of posters here - I feel great compassion for any family member that is innocent of the crime, and even if they have found out since, but can't bring themselves to admit it, I still understand their feelings. I'm not sure how I would behave.

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Doing it.
Gerard Baden-Clay's sister Olivia Walton is front row in Supreme Court waiting for bail hearing to begin. Standing room only.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:33 AM
there is talk the Dickies may move to try to keep some stability in their little lives. i am sure it wont worry the Dickies to uproot , their only thing at the moment is those little girls.


that is just another hardship isn't it?

They would have to sell their home and a I doubt you would want to return to the house GBC rented, so it would be another upheaval for the little girls. That was one reason I thought the Gold Coast may be a better option. So many consequences seemingly caused by one man's actions.

Makara
06-21-2012, 12:34 AM
Do you want me to do twitter feeds?

Yes please.

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:34 AM
Renae Henry ‏@renaehenry10

Baden-Clay's lawyer and barrister taking last minute look at notes @tennewsqld

Rational
06-21-2012, 12:34 AM
:eye: :eye:
Are we there yet?

:floorlaugh:Ok possum second laugh for you!! At least it makes the time go faster!!

Karo
06-21-2012, 12:35 AM
Squizzey, please don't worry yourself about the doubters. I believe you and I am not alone.

:tyou:

The Dickies live far too far away to have them attend the same school, I would think.

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:35 AM
Matt Macklin ‏@matty456

Easily 20 plus people standing inside the courtroom where the Baden-Clay bail application will be heard in a few minutes

Our nigel Bayside : )

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:36 AM
TEN News Queensland ‏@tennewsqld

RT @renaehenry10: Baden-Clay bail hearing has begun Baden-clay not appearing

squizzey1
06-21-2012, 12:37 AM
I am going to say I think he will get out on bail.

I know I mentioned to you before I have been wrong once before and I didnt like it lolol... but this time I would so loooooove to be wrong.

about 1980 from memory :floorlaugh:

Dodo
06-21-2012, 12:37 AM
Do you want me to do twitter feeds?

Yes pleeeaase....

Zorro
06-21-2012, 12:37 AM
Following the bail hearing here: http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23badenclay

GBC is not in court.

UnfoldingTruth
06-21-2012, 12:38 AM
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:Oh, you so funny you are - perhaps a dash of rum in that hot chokky!!:floorlaugh:

yes that might help SETTLE me some more..;) there may be a few other people at the court house or jailhouse that could do with something to settle themselves at the moment too..

CaseClosed
06-21-2012, 12:38 AM
GBC is not in court and there is big media attendance.

Karo
06-21-2012, 12:39 AM
Do they get to go in before they are called? I have never been there.

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:39 AM
about 1980 from memory :floorlaugh:

you sound like my husband - he was last wrong about 1978!!!

Me on the other hand about a minute ago!!!

Lets all hope for resounding : DENIED from the judge

justice23
06-21-2012, 12:39 AM
Alison Ariotti‏@AlisonAriotti

Peter Davis SC says police case is weak & some allegations extraordinary #badenclay @9NewsBrisbane

CaseClosed
06-21-2012, 12:40 AM
Barrister says police case is weak and some allegations extraordinaries!

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:40 AM
Alyshia Gates ‏@alyshiagates

Gerard Baden-Clay's barrister Peter Davis SC tells Judge extraordinary allegations have been made against his client @9NewsBrisbane

Oz Jen
06-21-2012, 12:40 AM
My refresh button is on overdrive

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:41 AM
Alison Ariotti ‏@AlisonAriotti

Gerard Baden-Clay has engaged in 2 forensic examinations according to his legal team. @9NewsBrisbane @thetodayshow #badenclay

spratsmum
06-21-2012, 12:41 AM
I will SETTLE for GBC staying in jail.

Of course they are going to say the police case is weak, they wouldn;t say it is strong and if they did I wouldn't be paying the $30000

marlywings
06-21-2012, 12:42 AM
Breaking: Court has just been closed in Baden-Clay bail application

CaseClosed
06-21-2012, 12:42 AM
Court has been closed , cleared by Judge.

Curiousasacat
06-21-2012, 12:42 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOO

TEN News Queensland ‏@tennewsqld

RT @renaehenry10: Baden-Clay: court abruptly closed no reason given

Zorro
06-21-2012, 12:42 AM
Following the bail hearing here: http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23badenclay

GBC is not in court.
They've closed the Court so I think bail will be refused.

marlywings
06-21-2012, 12:43 AM
Yes I think that too Zorro...

squizzey1
06-21-2012, 12:43 AM
I don't remember seeing that- does that mean I have to trawl back? lol. Honestly squizzy1, for the most part people do not 'attack' (as Mods have said attack the post not the poster).. but are entitiled to question things that they can't verify..Does not mean they are attacking(usually) or even that they don't believe what you are saying.. By the way, was it you that got verified? or someone else? I can't remember.
(Anyway, I want to reiterate I was not attacking a previous posters post- in case you are referring to that).
yes it was me who got verified. no dont go back and look it was before the long weekend. strangled and bathwater in the lungs. will ring a bell for a lot of posters