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ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 12:41 PM
Continue discussion here.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

tlcya
06-21-2012, 01:26 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_media_thr.html

BELLEFONTE -- News reporters and their affiliated media organization will face sanctions if they report the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse trial verdict before court is adjourned, Judge John Cleland ruled in a decorum order this morning.

The verdict will be announced count-by-count, in order by count number. Sandusky, a 68-year-old former Penn State coach, is charged with 48 counts related to child molestation.

CarolinaMoon
06-21-2012, 01:33 PM
Well, we are to the watching-paint-dry section of the trial. The most exciting event will be if the jury asks a question. We will be chewing our fingernails, if there are any left. Afraid to miss something, we will hand on here and the twitter feeds.

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 01:35 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8073352&postcount=1196


McGettigan also said -- Sandusky probably knows who the boy is in the shower that McQueary saw…why has he never said who the boy is and had him come talk if nothing actually happened except showering (this was a pretty powerful point that hasn’t been made before).

by WGAL 1:32 PM
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YES!!! So glad McGettigan made this point!

Reader
06-21-2012, 01:38 PM
That's it for the pros:

After this, Judge John Cleland says -- We’ve spent not nearly as many days together as I had thought.

The deliberations can only take place in Courtroom 2 (where the jury has been headquartered since the start of the trial).

When the jury is taken to the hotel, they can’t take any phones, computers -- phones and TVs in the hotel rooms (they’ll be rooming separately) will be disconnected. The jurors cannot deliberate at the hotel.

by WGAL 1:37 PM
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StellarsJay
06-21-2012, 01:39 PM
Cut and paste:
A total of 4 #sandusky charges have been dropped...3 felonies for accuser 4, one felony for accuser 7.....total now is 48 charges
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 6:47 AM

In his ruling, released Thursday morning, Cleland says he would have been required to set aside any convictions on those counts, because "the verdict was not supported by the evidence."
He also dismissed a count that he says was the same as another charge.

Victim 4: Sandusky is accused of repeated involuntary deviate sexual intercourse. Prosecutors say more than 50 alleged incidents occurred between 1996 and 2000, at the Sandusky home, hotels and university facilities, while the boy was 12-17. He also traveled with the Sandusky family to bowl games in Texas and Florida. Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse (three counts), aggravated indecent assault, indecent assault, unlawful contact with minor, corruption of minors, endangering a child's welfare.
Victim 7: They showered together and Sandusky bear hugged him in 1995-96, and more than once he put his hands down the waistband of the boy's pants, according to the grand jury. Sandusky did not touch his genitals, the jury said. The boy was 9-11. Attempted indecent assault, unlawful contact with minor, corruption of minors, endangering a child's welfare.

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 01:40 PM
McGettigan said -- Now I feel like I have pieces of 10 souls in my pocket, pieces of childhoods ravaged, boys’ memories incinerated by this pedophile…I can’t give them back portions of their souls..but it’s what you can do and what you should do and what you must do.

McGettigan dramatically leaves the jury…and walks directly behind Sandusky, pointing at him. Sandusky, who had been smiling, nervously tries to keep his head toward McGettigan but uncomfortably turns a bit…as McGettigan continues (and gets choked up himself), saying -- He molested, abused children, horribly. You can’t give them back their souls. But he knows he did it. And you know he did it. Acknowledge it and give them justice. And give him the justice he really deserves.

by WGAL 1:35 PM
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This brought me to tears!

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 01:42 PM
Some healthy snacks for those who like to nibble while they wait...

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Quiche
06-21-2012, 01:42 PM
...and not the least of all, STOP him!! For good.

Concerned Papa
06-21-2012, 01:43 PM
Prosecutor McGettigan ended his closing argument by walking over to Sandusky and saying to him -- You know what you did, we know what you did and now these kids need justice.
by WGAL 1:19 PM
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I like his style.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 01:44 PM
From SG's report:


Cleland dismissed the three alternates after the 12 jurors left the courtroom. He told juror 16 that she could leave, but jurors 14 and 15 were asked to stay and be sequestered separately from the other 12 in case they are asked to fill in for any of the 12.

Everyone involved in the case is asked to be on 20-minutes notice to return for a verdict, or for questions from the jury as they deliberate.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sanduskys_fate_is_in_the.html

amandab
06-21-2012, 01:46 PM
Juror 16 has left the courthouse #SanduskyTrial
by sganim via twitter 1:36 PM

RT @PN_Dustin: Jerry #Sandusky just left Centre County courthouse after closing arguments. He shrugged to media, saying he couldn't comment.
by cvmikesisak via twitter 1:35 PM

Prosecutor McGettigan declines comment when asked for his feelings on the case. #Sandusky
by cvmikesisak via twitter 1:33 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): What you can do, must do, should do is what the evidence calls for. The defendant molested and abused...
(Walks over to Sandusky and stands behind him. Sandusky turns head around to look him in the eye).
He knows he did it, you know he did it. Give (alleged victims) the justice they deserve. Give him (Sandusky) justice he deserves.
Find him guilty of everything.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:32 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): Defendant had opportunity to speak out and tell his case. He spoke to Bob Costas. I would think if someone asks you if you’re a child molester, immediate response is ‘You’re crazy, are you nuts?’ Instead of, ‘Am I sexually attracted to young boys?’
That’s his explanation, just likes young children.
Ron Petrosky, janitor, said Calhoun came out shaking like a leaf, said he saw JS in shower with boy…
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:31 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): Mike McQueary – Imagine shock he had when person you knew for ten years as a coach (do what he did). Think about what happened to him that night. You can understand shock he felt. He has been criticized for not going to police.
Went to his dad, who told him go to JoePa. That’s because JoePa was a go-to guy. He stood up to criticism, met the mark. Says one could argue that MM didn’t do all he could do. But he stepped up here and did right thing.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:30 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): Hope you forgive me for some questions I asked that some might consider cruel. Part of my job. Victims knew they would be called liars, money grubbers because I told them what would happen.I hope they forgive me, hope you forgive me.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:29 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): (Alleged victim) served country in war, then had to come back and talk about what happened to him as child.

Shrewd pedohile: start with what is already there and move forward.
JS thinks these are relationships.
Pred pedophile also has spectrum of treatment of his victims.

Spectrum of grooming behavior and spectrum of relationships.

Defendant relied on external appearances. Had access to a pool of victims. Had access through 2nd Mile all biological data of victims.
PSU not on trial and neither is 2nd Mile. I find that unfortunate. This about behavior of one man – this defendant. It’s a sad thing.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:29 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): He wAs preying on those most vulnerable. Fatherless kids…

Psychosexual disorder – love children, special relationship with children, would never cause harm or what they think is harm; denying pedophile.

Grooming, cultivating a child. Predatory, pedophile behavior. Getting child accustomed to sexual touching.
Step one: shower. Step two: shower and hand on genitals. Step three: extended touching of sexual nature. Step four: Beyond that. Sexual intercourse.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:28 PM

McGettigan closing (cont'd): Mr. Lasch – 2nd Mile golf outing witness.
Mr. Anderson and Brooks, they admitted to showering with boys. But wasn’t his practice to pick up boys and squeeze them inshower.
Mr. Amendola was stuck with trying to show that showering together is normal.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:28 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yS22cJPH

back2back19
06-21-2012, 01:52 PM
I like his style.

I like his style too. I was a bit worried when Dan Wetzel of Yahoo!sports said he gave only a decent closing while the defense gave a stronger one but it seems to have been effective as Jean C and other courtroom commentators seemed to have been moved by McGettigan.

I liked that he said Sandusky could have ended it all right then, right there by adamently denying he was sexually attracted to young boys or by giving out the names of the two unnamed victims. Sandusky is the one who knows who they are... if he's innocent and nothing happened, why didn't he?

I liked that.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 01:55 PM
Bellefonte merchants are grousing...


Sandusky trial is trying for Bellefonte merchants


BELLEFONTE, Pa. - This week, about the only people in Confer's Jewelers, the classy, family-owned boutique next door to the courthouse, were the salespeople.

Nobody was browsing at Childrenz' Clothing Plus. And at Victorian Rose, cherry-cheeked cherubs provided the only friendly faces.

"It's just dead," said Carol Walker, who owns and runs the all-Victorian store for this largely Victorian town. "Nobody wants to come into town."

Why? The trial of Jerry Sandusky.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/159820995.html


I hope they're placing the blame where it belongs and not on those boys. :nono:

mo

Reader
06-21-2012, 01:57 PM
From the judge:

Judge Cleland tells the jurors -- You represent the legal conscience of your community. You don’t sit here as the moral conscience of the community. It’s not for you to decide if Mr. Sandusky is a good person or bad person. You sit here as the legal conscience of your community. Because we live under the rule of law and Mr. Sandusky is a citizen. The state cannot punish him until you say so. That decision is now in your hands and we await your verdict.

by WGAL edited by WGAL1:54 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wgal.com/Event/WGALs_Jerry_Sandusky_trial_coverage#ixzz1yS4K1yu6

Yummy on the goodies, ynotdivein, and thanks for letting me finish at the other thread!

kk's mom
06-21-2012, 02:00 PM
Any comments made about the expressions on the jurors faces or body language during closing arguments, both sides?

Quiche
06-21-2012, 02:02 PM
Another logical conclusion I hope the jurors seize upon: if this were about money, how come the victims of the mid to late 1990's aren't rolling in the dough? Is that mother actually owning his house? No... because they only agreed to reveal their stories when it came to criminality and the victimization of others. Jerry Sandusky had to be stopped.

Now, as a citizen of this country, I hope they all go on to sue the appropriate parties, because this kind of trauma and life interruption has untold amounts of fiscal damage. More power to them. Bless them all. :heartbeat:

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 02:03 PM
Jean C said that juror 7 looked often at the victims who came back into the courtroom during closings, but that was all I heard.

back2back19
06-21-2012, 02:04 PM
Blech. SG just said on IS that one of the jurors was nodding his/her head during Joe A's closing. :/

Quiche
06-21-2012, 02:05 PM
Jean C said that juror 7 looked often at the victims who came back into the courtroom during closings, but that was all I heard.

Yes, he is their peer-- going to be a Senior at Penn State next fall. iirc

Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:07 PM
Sketch Artist (sorry forgot her name) said Jer was grinning in Court and sometimes Praying :what:

tlcya
06-21-2012, 02:08 PM
time for some snacks

Reader
06-21-2012, 02:08 PM
Good for them!


As McGettigan gave his closing argument, Accusers One, Four, Six, and Nine were sitting in the front 2 rows on the prosecution’s side…in direct view of the jury box.

by WGAL 1:23 PM


News 8 reporter Matt Barcaro said Prosecutor McGettigan's demeanor was more casual (than the defense), like a professor giving a lecture.

by WGAL 1:23 PM
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Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:09 PM
time for some snacks

Thanks all for the snacks. What time does the bar open :floorlaugh:

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 02:10 PM
Thanks all for the snacks. What time does the bar open :floorlaugh:

I was just going to ask the same ??

pib
06-21-2012, 02:10 PM
<snip>

<I liked that he said Sandusky could have ended it all right then, right there by adamently denying he was sexually attracted to young boys or by giving out the names of the two unnamed victims. Sandusky is the one who knows who they are... if he's innocent and nothing happened, why didn't he?

I liked that.[/QUOTE]>


I agree! That's quite damning, IMO.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 02:11 PM
Okay, I ate some vegies, but this is what's on my mind!! (okay, for like a week now, lol)

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 02:13 PM
I am not going anywhere until the verdict is read---sent DH grocery shopping-LOL

Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:14 PM
Okay, I ate some vegies, but this is what's on my mind!! (okay, for like a week now, lol)

LOL Me-chocolate. Tension reduction :woohoo:

Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 02:14 PM
Okay, I ate some vegies, but this is what's on my mind!! (okay, for like a week now, lol)

Stress eating are we???:blushing:

Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:15 PM
Per IS. Mother who testified was weeping :rose: I cant imagine the burden she is bearing.

Mrsadkins9399
06-21-2012, 02:16 PM
...and not the least of all, STOP him!! For good.

Because if he is found NG, there will be future victims.

Mama-cita
06-21-2012, 02:19 PM
Justice for the victims!! May this be the point that their hearts can begin to mend.

oh_gal
06-21-2012, 02:20 PM
I haven't seen such a big case of denial since the Anthony debacle.

Reader
06-21-2012, 02:22 PM
McGettigan said -- Now I feel like I have pieces of 10 souls in my pocket, pieces of childhoods ravaged, boys’ memories incinerated by this pedophile…I can’t give them back portions of their souls..but it’s what you can do and what you should do and what you must do.

What a powerful charge he made to the jury!

Elphaba
06-21-2012, 02:23 PM
My lunch is going to be nothing more than a pack of Rolaids... after last year's jury fiasco, I can't help but worry. Greatly.

belladonna
06-21-2012, 02:25 PM
McGettigan said -- Now I feel like I have pieces of 10 souls in my pocket, pieces of childhoods ravaged, boys’ memories incinerated by this pedophile…I can’t give them back portions of their souls..but it’s what you can do and what you should do and what you must do.

What a powerful charge he made to the jury!

ITA....This man never needs to see the light of day again.....What a sick man to sit there and smile during this trial...just galls me

Reader
06-21-2012, 02:28 PM
Matt Barcaro's video update

by WGAL 2:09 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wgal.com/Event/WGALs_Jerry_Sandusky_trial_coverage#ixzz1ySBTKzZ6

He calls McGettigan very powerful.

Amendola mostly talked about the big 'conspiracy' everybody had against JS.

Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 02:28 PM
Per In Session - Lots of flack regarding Amendola reading the Mother Teresa prayer.

IMO if Sandusky had something to say in the courtroom he should have testified!

TorisMom003
06-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Here ya go guys (and gals).
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SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 02:36 PM
Here ya go guys (and gals).
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http://www.89thandbroke.com/2011/04/half-off-drinks-fusion-88/

I'll have a cherry vodka & sprite please!!!

StellarsJay
06-21-2012, 02:38 PM
Amendola argued:
Amendola (cont): Alleged victim #4 Told us JS did all these terrible things over a period of time. Late summer of 1998, he began close relationship with JS. Played b-ball and racquetball two or three times week in afternoon. Problem. You heard it from Dick Anderson. Schedule of coach late August till fall – 17 hour days. Where in world, how in world did JS find time to go play bball or rball two or three times a week and fool around in shower. It doesn’t make sense.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 8:54 AM

------That was the summer when Paterno said Jerry could never be head coach because he was spending too much time on Second Mile activities.

Reader
06-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Uh oh:

Twitter crashes hard, Internet freaks out

Service returns intermittently before crashing again

UPDATED 2:38 PM EDT Jun 21, 2012


Read more: http://www.wtae.com/news/money/Twitter-crashes-hard-Internet-freaks-out/-/9680890/15193346/-/d0nuns/-/index.html#ixzz1ySFKVzgG

Tiki
06-21-2012, 02:43 PM
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Jerry-Sandusky-Alleged-Victim-Travis-Weaver-Talks-159905105.html

EXCLUSIVE: First Sandusky Accuser Talks on TV

Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Amendola argued:
Amendola (cont): Alleged victim #4 Told us JS did all these terrible things over a period of time. Late summer of 1998, he began close relationship with JS. Played b-ball and racquetball two or three times week in afternoon. Problem. You heard it from Dick Anderson. Schedule of coach late August till fall – 17 hour days. Where in world, how in world did JS find time to go play bball or rball two or three times a week and fool around in shower. It doesn’t make sense.
by WTAE.com/ Web staff 8:54 AM

------That was the summer when Paterno said Jerry could never be head coach because he was spending too much time on Second Mile activities.

Bingo. Yes time with his first love (s) Yuck

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 02:46 PM
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Jerry-Sandusky-Alleged-Victim-Travis-Weaver-Talks-159905105.html

EXCLUSIVE: First Sandusky Accuser Talks on TV

What a brave man-I am so proud of him!!!!

tlcya
06-21-2012, 02:51 PM
time for dessert?

JSR
06-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Because if he is found NG, there will be future victims.

Agreed, and if there is a next time he might get rid of his victims permanently to prevent them from ever testifying.

Reader
06-21-2012, 02:56 PM
http://onwardstate.com/2012/06/21/the-prosecution-delivers-closing-remarks/

McGettigan began his remarks with a slide projected on a screen, which read:

The Defense
■Admit what you must.
■Deny what you can.
■Call everyone a liar.
■Make counter charges.
■Allege a conspiracy.

“Is any of this not familiar to you?” McGettigan asked.

McGettigan continued by saying that the defense believes there is some vast conspiracy against Sandusky. “If there is a conspiracy, it involves enough people to fill this jury box — it involves time travel as well,” McGettigan said amusingly.

“This is their grand conspiracy. It requires everyone here to be fooled, or corrupt, or in this together,” McGettigan continued. “Mike McQueary, he must be part of the conspiracy too. Bring us all along. Lock us all up. Lock up the lawyers, lock up the victims. We all must’ve been part of this grand conspiracy.”

More at link....

Bravo
06-21-2012, 02:57 PM
In Session ticker. Dottie and Daughter Kara cried in Court.

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 02:59 PM
Here ya go guys (and gals).
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http://www.89thandbroke.com/2011/04/half-off-drinks-fusion-88/

I'm sipping a lovely Sauvignon Blanc ;) I usually prefer red wines, but it's hot as Hades in metro-Detroit, so a chilled white wine is mighty fine :) Mazel Tov!

Bravo
06-21-2012, 03:00 PM
From what i have read thus far I think the Prosecution brought it all home today. Kudos to them. They did their job and now we all wait. With baited breath :please:

Bravo
06-21-2012, 03:01 PM
I'm sipping a lovely Sauvignon Blanc ;) I usually prefer red wines, but it's hot as Hades in metro-Detroit, so a chilled white wine is mighty fine :) Mazel Tov!

Cheers to you too. Enjoy. Hot as hay here too. I shall partake after work.

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 03:03 PM
Cheers to you too. Enjoy. Hot as hay here too. I shall partake after work.

Cheers to you all to-its 95 here!!!Yuck!!

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 03:05 PM
Re: The poll. I voted for 4-8 hours, but a verdict sometime tomorrow would be alright with me. DH and I are leaving Saturday morning for a long weekend (our anniversary) on Mackinac Island where we won't have internet access. We'll have cable TV and can watch CNN/HLN, but I'd miss being here with fellow 'sleuthers to discuss the verdict.

oh_gal
06-21-2012, 03:09 PM
In Session ticker. Dottie and Daughter Kara cried in Court.

I would cry too, if I were married to that man, or he was my father.

dog.gone.cute
06-21-2012, 03:10 PM
Re: The poll. I voted for 4-8 hours, but a verdict sometime tomorrow would be alright with me. DH and I are leaving Saturday morning for a long weekend (our anniversary) on Mackinac Island where we won't have internet access. We'll have cable TV and can watch CNN/HLN, but I'd miss being here with fellow 'sleuthers to discuss the verdict.


:toastred: Happy Anniversary :toastred:

:cheers:

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 03:14 PM
Hey, all - thanks for the great reporting! :blowkiss: I had to be out of the house and offline most of the day, so I'm just now catching up.

Sounds like McGettigan did a great closing argument! :woohoo:

ETA: And Happy Anniversary to Betty Davis Eyes! Mackinac Island is gorgeous from what my relatives in Michigan tell me.

And it has to be a bit cooler there - it's 93 with humidity here in Tennessee. Hazy & hot summer day.

More food and drinks for the long wait:

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Bravo
06-21-2012, 03:15 PM
I would cry too, if I were married to that man, or he was my father.

LMAO :floorlaugh:

blah956
06-21-2012, 03:15 PM
seriously biting my nails here!

Bravo
06-21-2012, 03:17 PM
Gotta sign off. See ya all late tonight. Prayers for the Jurors. Praying they dont have Pinella 12 brains :please:

Quiche
06-21-2012, 03:18 PM
I can't figure out what this expression is! But, it's a supporter-- shouldn't that be a clue? :waitasec:

Care to speculate?

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23sandusky/slideshow/photos?url=https%3A%2F%2Fp.twimg.com%2FAv74ESZCIAA-Uia.jpg

oh_gal
06-21-2012, 03:22 PM
Re: The poll. I voted for 4-8 hours, but a verdict sometime tomorrow would be alright with me. DH and I are leaving Saturday morning for a long weekend (our anniversary) on Mackinac Island where we won't have internet access. We'll have cable TV and can watch CNN/HLN, but I'd miss being here with fellow 'sleuthers to discuss the verdict.

Happy Anniversary!!! Mine is next week (28th)....10 short years :)

Elphaba
06-21-2012, 03:23 PM
Not to sound stupid, but what exactly is pedobear?

ETA: question comes from twitter pics of someone in a teddy bear costume.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 03:25 PM
Sandusky accuser to be on RockCenter tonight

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rock-center/47907473/#47907473

Reader
06-21-2012, 03:26 PM
Maybe due to the twitter crash but all the prosecutor's closing is gone from WTAE for now, but I remember reading that McGettigan brought out that the defense only asked about dates, times of the offenses, not about the particular actions of JS when questioning the victims.

He said this is because they knew that the vicitms were ready to fight them with even more information about what JS had done.

It's back up and here's the quote:

McGettigan (cont'd): Spectrum of witnesses. Witnesses have different capacities for recollection. And different facilities for speaking. Fear, nervousness, difficult task all impact how people testify. (Explaining why some witnesses were weak on stand). Don’t assume a witness was lying if they appeared nervous.

Memories were buried.

Defense counsel never asked about abuse, intercourse, never asked about that. He asked about other things…reason he didn’t ask about specific instances is because…sometimes witnesses fight back and give more details about crimes.

by WTAE.com/ Web staff 1:14 PM
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This comment by Amendola is supposed to explain why JS didn't testify....very weak...a TV interviewer compared to the prosecutor? Doesn't hack it with me....the defense team was very scared about how JS would appear on the stand and what he might slip up and admit:

Folks, what more could that man say? He went on national TV with a guy every bit as tough as Joe McGettigan. Tough questions, tough answers.

by WTAE.com/ Web staff 12:01 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1ySNmrOMJ

blah956
06-21-2012, 03:26 PM
Not to sound stupid, but what exactly is pedobear?

ETA: question comes from twitter pics of someone in a teddy bear costume.

an internet meme. it is a bear who is a pedophile. it was created in order to mock pedophiles or people who have a thing for close to legal teens.

JSR
06-21-2012, 03:27 PM
My lunch is going to be nothing more than a pack of Rolaids... after last year's jury fiasco, I can't help but worry. Greatly.

Ditto.

But not every jury is the ridiculous Casey Anthony Pinellas 12. And I think if anything it's caused more American's to take jury duty seriously after the country watched in horror as a child murderer walked away completely free.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 03:29 PM
Oh, in the poll: I said 4-8 hours.

When I sat back and thought about it, I was reminded how angry I was with the Anthony jury for coming back so soon. The big differences are: there is not any tangible evidence to scrutinize and examine, there were only a few witnesses on either side, you either believe the accuser(s) or the accused.

This trial was pretty cut and dried, and even then, the defense didn't have much to say. jmo

dog.gone.cute
06-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Gotta sign off. See ya all late tonight. Prayers for the Jurors. Praying they dont have Pinella 12 brains :please:


:seeya: Me too !

:waitasec: I don't think it is possible that any jury could have less brains than they had ... but then again ... :banghead:

:moo:

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 03:33 PM
Not to sound stupid, but what exactly is pedobear?

ETA: question comes from twitter pics of someone in a teddy bear costume.

It's one of those internet "memes" that become viral. It started out as a symbol on a forum when someone had posted porn or something else against the rules, but then people started using it ironically to attack pedophiles. In other words, a cartoon bear seems like just the sort of thing a pedophile would use as a symbol to attract children.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pedobear

Pedobear showed up at several Penn State football games last year, which I'm sure didn't make anyone happy.


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/227/854/6a0115709f071f970b0168e4e7cfc6970c-640wi.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 03:37 PM
A little video from Sara Ganim-- most of which we've read from varying sources.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/video_reporter_sara_ganim_on_t.html

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 03:38 PM
Happy Anniversary!!! Mine is next week (28th)....10 short years :)

Congratulations! Ours is the 25th, 41 years :)

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 03:38 PM
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Jerry-Sandusky-Alleged-Victim-Travis-Weaver-Talks-159905105.html

EXCLUSIVE: First Sandusky Accuser Talks on TV

He is notone of the victims in the trial and there was another grand jury (or at least other members).

Elphaba
06-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Thanks, y'all, for the answers on the bear.

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Hey, all - thanks for the great reporting! :blowkiss: I had to be out of the house and offline most of the day, so I'm just now catching up.

Sounds like McGettigan did a great closing argument! :woohoo:

ETA: And Happy Anniversary to Betty Davis Eyes! Mackinac Island is gorgeous from what my relatives in Michigan tell me.

And it has to be a bit cooler there - it's 93 with humidity here in Tennessee. Hazy & hot summer day.

More food and drinks for the long wait:

Thank you. Mackinac Island is beautiful and should be a "must" on everyone's bucket list :)

StellarsJay
06-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Agreed, and if there is a next time he might get rid of his victims permanently to prevent them from ever testifying.

I've always thought this could have happened to Victim 2, likely not the same night, but a few months later or when the Second Mile records disappeared. (Hat tip to bennyprofane on this forum.)
Or when Gricar disappeared?

Did investigators ever search missing kids records or ones that died accidentally for someone in that age window? - there are so many every year.

My problem with McQueary Sr. and Jr., Dranov, and all Penn State guys, is that they couldn't/wouldn't consider that child still at risk- not just some hypothetical future kids, but that one. As if their capacity to imagine evil topped out with boy rape.

"Evil is a rip in the fabric of empathy"-- a clergy friend.

Nore
06-21-2012, 03:44 PM
Stress eating are we???:blushing:


In Session ticker. Dottie and Daughter Kara cried in Court.

________
I can only hope they were tears of relief!

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 03:47 PM
Sandusky jurors begin deliberating sex abuse case
By GENARO C. ARMAS and MARK SCOLFORO, AP
2 hours ago

BELLEFONTE, Pa. (AP) — Jurors in Jerry Sandusky's child sexual abuse case began deliberations Thursday after prosecutors described him as a serial molester who groomed his victims, while his defense lawyer said the former Penn State assistant football coach was being victimized by an overzealous prosecution and greedy accusers.

Prosecutors said Sandusky was as ``a serial, predatory pedophile'' who used gifts and the pageantry of Penn State's vaunted football program to lure and abuse vulnerable boys who came from troubled homes.

``What you should do is come out and say to the defendant that he molested and abused and give them back their souls,'' Senior Deputy Attorney General Joseph McGettigan III. ``I give them to you. Acknowledge and give them justice"...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20120621/Penn.State-Abuse/

Nore
06-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Re: The poll. I voted for 4-8 hours, but a verdict sometime tomorrow would be alright with me. DH and I are leaving Saturday morning for a long weekend (our anniversary) on Mackinac Island where we won't have internet access. We'll have cable TV and can watch CNN/HLN, but I'd miss being here with fellow 'sleuthers to discuss the verdict.

---------
O/T. Have a very nice time..:woohoo:

back2back19
06-21-2012, 03:52 PM
SG just talked about the closings by the defense and commonwealth... she thinks the defense did a compelling job in breaking the case down, so the jury could understand it(which again is rather insulting) and while she thinks McGettigan did well, she thought the most compelling part of the commonwealth's closing was Sandusky's behaviour. He smiled a lot and I guess it seemed like he was laughing softly. :/

BrownRice
06-21-2012, 03:52 PM
He is notone of the victims in the trial and there was another grand jury (or at least other members).

Can you explain why this victim wouldn't have been included in this case?

blah956
06-21-2012, 03:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NabilKMark/status/215894928096641025/photo/1

Jerry #Sandusky, left, leaves the courthouse with Centre County Sheriff Denny Nau

amandab
06-21-2012, 03:54 PM
WTAE has up pics of ol' Jer, and I refuse to look at his mug when I check back for updates, so I'm just gonna follow this thread for a bit.....

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 03:56 PM
Can you explain why this victim wouldn't have been included in this case?


Not strong.

blah956
06-21-2012, 04:00 PM
i figured under 4 hours. i guess it was too much wishful thinking!

Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Re: The poll. I voted for 4-8 hours, but a verdict sometime tomorrow would be alright with me. DH and I are leaving Saturday morning for a long weekend (our anniversary) on Mackinac Island where we won't have internet access. We'll have cable TV and can watch CNN/HLN, but I'd miss being here with fellow 'sleuthers to discuss the verdict.


https://twitter.com/NabilKMark/status/215894928096641025/photo/1

Jerry #Sandusky, left, leaves the courthouse with Centre County Sheriff Denny Nau

Wonder if Sandusky is getting threats and now getting protection by the Sheriff......or is there a bond issue?

Quiche
06-21-2012, 04:10 PM
Who are the jurors in the Jerry Sandusky trial?

(slide show with discriptions)

Read more: http://www.wtae.com/news/jerry-sandusky-trial/-/12154180/15193654/-/ca0ybu/-/index.html#ixzz1ySbnZqJK

StellarsJay
06-21-2012, 04:10 PM
Todays Patriot-News photos

pingpattern
06-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Interesting article that's pretty biting:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_prosecuto_2.html

Quiche
06-21-2012, 04:17 PM
Here's a fun little poll. Take it and see the results...

http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2012/06/daily_poll_did_dottie_sandusky.html

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 04:21 PM
I voted 8 hrs-2 days.

CarolinaMoon
06-21-2012, 04:22 PM
I voted 8 hours - 2 days, but it could go longer if there are major hold-outs who bought the defense hook, line, and sinker.

Compared to that other jury, this one boasts more highly educated people, no high school drop outs that I'm aware of. They would hopefully be open to debate the issues. However, there is the Penn State connection. That could either harm or help Sandusky. It's so hard to tell from the little we know.

After that other case, I did read an article about a jury that deliberated for 4 months! They had a rather forensics heavy case and a complicated time line. They refused to make a judgement until they had completed their own time lines and pored over all the forensics. I wish I'd save that one!

Let's hope this jury just gets down to business and gets it done. It wouldn't surprise me if they came back with not guilty on some charges, guilty on some charges, and hung on others. It's not easy to get 12 people to see eye-to-eye on everything.

ETA: I wonder how much Jerry's demeanor, smiling and gazing at his victims, will play in the jury's mind.

Leilei
06-21-2012, 04:28 PM
Interesting article that's pretty biting:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_prosecuto_2.html

Very, very powerful article. All of that smiling, the soft laughing, it just makes me want to cry/rage/vomit. The comments and the high-fiving. The nasty remarks about the accusers. I don't understand JS, I don't understand his wife, I don't understand his supporters.

And I don't want to.

back2back19
06-21-2012, 04:44 PM
Let's hope this jury just gets down to business and gets it done. It wouldn't surprise me if they came back with not guilty on some charges, guilty on some charges, and hung on others. It's not easy to get 12 people to see eye-to-eye on everything.

ETA: I wonder how much Jerry's demeanor, smiling and gazing at his victims, will play in the jury's mind.

Yeah, I'm expecting a split verdict too. I don't see a straight acquital or a straight guilty verdict.

I would think seeing JS smiling, laughing, grinning or gazing at the victims would have some sort impact. What innocent person does that? This is a serious matter but for him, it's all just a joke. :/

tlcya
06-21-2012, 04:45 PM
I found Dottie's scathing assessment of the victims in really bad taste. That was my biggest shocker of the trial. That and the old "personality Disorder made me do it" defense. :eyeroll:

Tiki
06-21-2012, 04:46 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

passionflower
06-21-2012, 04:47 PM
I think the jury will sleep on it and we will know tomorow. Just a guess.

JSR
06-21-2012, 04:47 PM
I voted 8 hours - 2 days, but it could go longer if there are major hold-outs who bought the defense hook, line, and sinker.

Compared to that other jury, this one boasts more highly educated people, no high school drop outs that I'm aware of. They would hopefully be open to debate the issues. However, there is the Penn State connection. That could either harm or help Sandusky. It's so hard to tell from the little we know.

After that other case, I did read an article about a jury that deliberated for 4 months! They had a rather forensics heavy case and a complicated time line. They refused to make a judgement until they had completed their own time lines and pored over all the forensics. I wish I'd save that one!

Let's hope this jury just gets down to business and gets it done. It wouldn't surprise me if they came back with not guilty on some charges, guilty on some charges, and hung on others. It's not easy to get 12 people to see eye-to-eye on everything.

ETA: I wonder how much Jerry's demeanor, smiling and gazing at his victims, will play in the jury's mind.


I concur. This will not be a quick verdict. There are many counts to go over. And you're right highly educated people are a nightmare for most defenses. And that did play a part in why we saw the verdict we did in Florida.

And I also agree that we will see a mixed bag on the verdicts.

If I had to guess I doubt we'll get a verdict this week. I would say we will on Monday. Again mainly because of the many counts and that there might be a holdout.

The only thing that worries me is that there are so many jurors with Penn State connections.

LNL
06-21-2012, 04:48 PM
I found Dottie's scathing assessment of the victims in really bad taste. That was my biggest shocker of the trial. That and the old "personality Disorder made me do it" defense. :eyeroll:
Agree. It also seemed perfectly contrived by the defense team.

JSR
06-21-2012, 04:49 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

Say WHAT??????

blah956
06-21-2012, 04:49 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

isn't this common knowledge?

Tiki
06-21-2012, 04:49 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/attorney_for_jerry_sanduskys_a.html

Matt Sandusky, through his attorney Andrew Shubin, said that he met with prosecutors this week to say for the first time that he is a molestation victim of Jerry Sandusky, his adopted father.

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 04:50 PM
Sara Ganim‏@sganim


Follow

Matt ‪#Sandusky‬'s attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index …
:eek::websleuther::censored::yow::computer::what:

Leilei
06-21-2012, 04:50 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

OMG... but we all suspected. Tell me again, Dottie, how you never saw or heard anything? Heartbreaking :(

LNL
06-21-2012, 04:50 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM
Wow. I guess his ex-wife was right about not letting the kids stay with Jerry and Dottie anymore.

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 04:51 PM
isn't this common knowledge?

No. I thought he was there last week with Dottie as a supporter!

pingpattern
06-21-2012, 04:53 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

F-ing tragic. I don't even want to know how much other abuse that evil old <modsnip> got away with. I only hope that the legal process can help bring the victims some iota of peace.

JSR
06-21-2012, 04:54 PM
isn't this common knowledge?

I think we all assume that the boys that were adopted suffered abuse but have not come forward to admit it. I don't think Jerry molested his daughter I have a feeling Jerry has a predilection for young/teenage BOYS not girls.

But as far as I knew none of his adopted sons have come clean. I'm sure as the sky is blue that they too have been sexually assaulted.

CarolinaMoon
06-21-2012, 04:55 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

Why am I not surprised? :maddening:

I'm also not surprised he didn't join in the case and report it to LE. I can't begin to imagine the conflict in his mind. Jer and Dottie took him in and adopted him. They are his family. Yet, he was so terribly hurt, just like the victims who testified.

I wonder if more will come out of this.

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 04:56 PM
Say WHAT??????

:what:OH MY

LinasK
06-21-2012, 04:56 PM
From the last thread, which is closed: the video statement of Sandusky.
It was all about his being denied access to his grandchildren (children in general), and all about "ME,ME,ME"!!! And how he would still welcome his accusers back into his home- I'll just bet you would Jerry! You want to further victimize them!:sick::sick::sick:
I hope you are never allowed to be near children for the rest of your miserable life!:jail::jail::jail:

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 04:58 PM
If Matt was abused, then possibly some of the other children were also. Jerry has no boundaries and I don't think family ties would matter. Besides, he could rationalize that they weren't his biological children but they knew he "loved" them - like any other pedophile.

As I wrote the other day, the worst thing Dottie said on the stand was that Jerry started Second Mile when they found out they couldn't adopt anymore foster children. *warning bell* She had to know he was abusing their son and she wanted him to look elsewhere.

That fits with Matt coming into the hotel room and seeing him there with a boy but doing nothing to help the kid. He had been taught to look the other way, or taught that it was somehow normal.

LinasK
06-21-2012, 05:00 PM
If Matt was abused, then possibly some of the other children were also. The guy has no boundaries and I don't think family ties would matter. Besides, he could rationalize that they weren't his biological children but they knew he "loved" them - like any other pedophile.

As I wrote the other day, the worst thing Dottie said on the stand was that Jerry started Second Mile when they found out they couldn't adopt anymore foster children. *warning bell* She had to know he was abusing their son and she wanted him to look elsewhere.

That fits with Matt coming into the hotel room and seeing him there with a boy but doing nothing to help the kid. He had been taught to look the other way, or taught that it was somehow normal.
Also, poor Matt at that young age had to be thinking, better some other kid he's attacking than me...

CarolinaMoon
06-21-2012, 05:01 PM
HLN covering the case now.

Whoosh! And it's over. Forgot it's now Evening Express. I miss Vinnie!

Reader
06-21-2012, 05:02 PM
SG just talked about the closings by the defense and commonwealth... she thinks the defense did a compelling job in breaking the case down, so the jury could understand it(which again is rather insulting) and while she thinks McGettigan did well, she thought the most compelling part of the commonwealth's closing was Sandusky's behaviour. He smiled a lot and I guess it seemed like he was laughing softly. :/

Well, for once I have to diagree with Ganim...the defense was just standard 'blame everybody else', he could have written that in his sleep.

McGettigan was masterful in describing how a pedophile works and why JS got away with it so long, how weak his witnesses were and in asking the jury to consider what the boys had gone thru and to 'give them back their souls'!

I think she's jealous because she didn't write that, lol.....

Jerry can just laugh and smile his teddybear self all the way from Penn State to the State Penn...today is not soon enough!!

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 05:03 PM
Also, poor Matt at that young age had to be thinking, better some other kid he's attacking than me...

Exactly. The dysfunction in that family must have been unbearable, and imagine the in-laws horror about the grandchildren!

Tiki
06-21-2012, 05:10 PM
Prosecutors waking back into courthouse as 5 o'clock hour strikes. #Sandusky
by cvmikesisak via twitter 5:04 PM


.??????

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 05:13 PM
Poor Matt! We all suspected as much. I admire him for being courageous and finally admitting that JS abused him too. It's too bad he didn't get to testify against Jer because don't you know he prolly had psyched himself up for taking the stand. Jer victimized him once again by NOT testifying once he found out. I am glad that Matt is telling his story to the media and I hope he can get past this and heal his soul. :(

moo

kantoo
06-21-2012, 05:14 PM
Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
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JSR
06-21-2012, 05:18 PM
At this point its impossible Dottie didn't know.

And I think Jerry's comment about "And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped" is his way of justifying what he has done. He probably has helped some young people but also has completely destroyed others. So in his mind as long as he helped some then what he did to others is somewhat negated. So I don't believe he feels an iota of remorse for what he's done.

blah956
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
could this lead to a mistrial?

Leilei
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
Question: If (and I hope this doesn't happen), JS is found NG here, can his adopted son file charges? Probably a very newbie question.

Ugh, I wish the jury had heard this.

Tiki
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
long story about Matt's background and how he came to live with JS.
wow - I hadn't seen this one

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Cortne
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
Bubba is getting bigger and bigger.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 05:24 PM
If Matt was abused, then possibly some of the other children were also. Jerry has no boundaries and I don't think family ties would matter. Besides, he could rationalize that they weren't his biological children but they knew he "loved" them - like any other pedophile.

As I wrote the other day, the worst thing Dottie said on the stand was that Jerry started Second Mile when they found out they couldn't adopt anymore foster children. *warning bell* She had to know he was abusing their son and she wanted him to look elsewhere.

That fits with Matt coming into the hotel room and seeing him there with a boy but doing nothing to help the kid. He had been taught to look the other way, or taught that it was somehow normal.

ThoughtFox-you have great posts-I look forward to them-great insights!!

Tiki
06-21-2012, 05:28 PM
well, well......I can still be shocked

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

snipped:
In an exclusive interview to be broadcast at 10 p.m. on NBC's Rock Center, Travis Weaver said Sandusky performed oral sex on him in the upstairs bedroom of Sandusky's home, across the hall from Sandusky’s wife, Dottie.

Weaver said Dottie Sandusky never saw any of the abuse, according to the report, but he thinks she knew what was going on.

.

.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 05:28 PM
Praying for justice. No doubt in my mind there are many more victims of JS than the ones who came forward. My heart breaks for all of them and their families. May the proper and just verdict be rendered so they can finally get some sort of peace of mind and live their lives as "normal" as possible.

The emotional scars, sadly, will last forever.

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 05:28 PM
Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
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Could the Jury be in? Or does the Matt story change everything?

:rollercoaster:

There's no way you could ever make stuff up that is as bizarre as real life.

Reader
06-21-2012, 05:29 PM
Keep in mind: names of all other alleged victims have been kept out of publications. Matt Sandusky is (obviously) out there in the public.

by audsnyder4 via twitter5:25 PM


RT @MinkNate: 30-year-old Ohio man who will claim #Sandusky abuse on Rock Center tonight said abuse took place at Rose Bowl during 1994 ...

by audsnyder4 via twitter5:22 PM


New development this afternoon: Matt Sandusky, through his attorney Andrew Shubin, said that he met with prosecutors this week to say for the first time that he is a molestation victim of Jerry Sandusky, his adopted father. Matt, 33, was adopted by Jerry and Dottie Sandusky as an adult, after going to live with the family as a foster child.

by Shaun Ganley/Staff 5:18 PM
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SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 05:32 PM
Well, for once I have to diagree with Ganim...the defense was just standard 'blame everybody else', he could have written that in his sleep.

McGettigan was masterful in describing how a pedophile works and why JS got away with it so long, how weak his witnesses were and in asking the jury to consider what the boys had gone thru and to 'give them back their souls'!

I think she's jealous because she didn't write that, lol.....

Jerry can just laugh and smile his teddybear self all the way from Penn State to the State Penn...today is not soon enough!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:Best Quote Ever!!!Love it!!!!

kantoo
06-21-2012, 05:32 PM
Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
Lawyers have left chambers at #Sandusky trial... No further info at this time

Quiche
06-21-2012, 05:35 PM
The Sandusky adoption strategy: Five for me and one for you.


:furious:

Betty P
06-21-2012, 05:35 PM
Sara Ganim‏@sganim


Follow

Matt ‪#Sandusky‬'s attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index …
:eek::websleuther::censored::yow::computer::what:

Oh, no. I really hoped that wouldn't be the case. Nothing is sacred to this evil man.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 05:37 PM
I wonder what the decibel level at the Sandusky home is?

Reader
06-21-2012, 05:38 PM
Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
Lawyers have left chambers at #Sandusky trial... No further info at this time

Maybe the jury had a question?

Joe Friday
06-21-2012, 05:38 PM
Let's source some news! RT @missi_matthews: Here we go RT: 6 News has heard reports that rooms booked for jurors tonight have been canceled.
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:36 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1cUFZT

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 05:39 PM
Saw a rumor - NOT confirmed - that hotel rooms may have been cancelled for Jurors.

~~~

ESPN New York‏@ESPNNewYork

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Jerry Sandusky accused of sexual abuse by adopted son http://dlvr.it/1lWdMF

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Alan Blinder‏@alanblinder

BELLEFONTE, Pa. (AP) — Jerry Sandusky's son says his father abused him, he was ready to testify at Penn St. trial.

~~~

Matt Baumann‏@Matt_bau

RT @padgepadge The jury has been deliberating for about 4 hours and 15 minutes.Some are reporting we've already reached a verdict. #Sandusky

~~~

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Let's source some news! RT @missi_matthews: Here we go RT: 6 News has heard reports that rooms booked for jurors tonight have been canceled.
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:36 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1cUFZT

:what:

JSR
06-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Let's source some news! RT @missi_matthews: Here we go RT: 6 News has heard reports that rooms booked for jurors tonight have been canceled.
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:36 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1cUFZT

Hopefully that doesn't mean a mistrial.

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 05:40 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM


Central Pennsylvania Gothic!

Leilei
06-21-2012, 05:41 PM
Let's source some news! RT @missi_matthews: Here we go RT: 6 News has heard reports that rooms booked for jurors tonight have been canceled.
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:36 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1cUFZT

Great googly moogly... if they're back already I'm going to fall out of my chair :what:

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 05:43 PM
Oh, no. I really hoped that wouldn't be the case. Nothing is sacred to this evil man.

Frankly, that JS would violate his adopted children does not surprise me, and I posed the question recently in this discussion. In his perverted mind, Sandusky wouldn't consider this to be incest because he and the youngsters were not blood relatives. :moo:

JSR
06-21-2012, 05:44 PM
I'd be shocked if we got a verdict today. And it would worry me if it came back so soon. I know we were all shocked at the Anthony verdict coming so quickly (of course it came back so quickly because that jury just wanted to go home) ... Not that I'm still bitter almost a year later.

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 05:44 PM
Andrew Stockey‏@astockey

#Sandusky media outside courtroom awaiting verdict. Jury into 4th hour ofdeliberations http://pic.twitter.com/VVFzklnK

~~~

WTAJ News‏@WTAJnews

There are reports the Jury may have reached a verdict. #Sandusky trial

~~~

SyraKelly
06-21-2012, 05:44 PM
Great googly moogly... if they're back already I'm going to fall out of my chair :what:

I will to-I quoted 5 hrs they would be back with a verdict!!!

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Do the reporters know where the jurors are staying? Maybe the hotel is "punking" them. LOL

Joe Friday
06-21-2012, 05:45 PM
BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT3JLhAI

blah956
06-21-2012, 05:46 PM
BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT3JLhAI

:floorlaugh: of course :banghead:

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 05:47 PM
BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT3JLhAI

I guess no verdict then. Maybe they just asked for the dinner menu. lol

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 05:47 PM
But wait . . .

Michael Sisak‏@cvmikesisak

Court official: No verdict. No questions. Jury still deliberating.

~~~

Michael Sisak‏@cvmikesisak

BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2012, 05:49 PM
BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT3JLhAI

Sounds like they're on a roll. Not calling it quits. Want to have a nice meal at the court's expense. I hope and pray that they will do the right thing for the victims of JS's abuse. :moo:

Reader
06-21-2012, 05:52 PM
Some say this is why.#sandusky didn't testify..."@SanduskyTrial: Sandusky's son says his father abused him.... fb.me"

by 8CumbCoReport via twitter5:49 PM


#Sandusky jury taking break to have dinner until 7pm.

by astockey via twitter5:48 PM


This may be the most Tweeted about dinner break in the history of dinner and breaks. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @katywithawhy: @cvmikesisak I saw breaking and court and freaked out. Breaking: I eat dinner sometimes too! :)

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @JenniferRStorm: Just a hunch but jury may have indicated they are close if they are taking dinner break from 6-7 #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @cvmikesisak: BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by audsnyder4 via twitter5:45 PM


BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:44 PM


#Sandusky more on adopted son claim of sexual abuse and what was not said in closing arguments. New @ 6. WTAE

by astockey via twitter5:44 PM
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Court official: No verdict. No questions. Jury still deliberating. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:41 PM



Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1TTpDk

Quiche
06-21-2012, 05:53 PM
#Sandusky attny Rominger response to adopted son's allegations of abuse: "His lawyers know we're gagged and can't respond."
by sganim via twitter 2:52 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1uxOXM

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 05:54 PM
Some say this is why.#sandusky didn't testify..."@SanduskyTrial: Sandusky's son says his father abused him.... fb.me"

by 8CumbCoReport via twitter5:49 PM


#Sandusky jury taking break to have dinner until 7pm.

by astockey via twitter5:48 PM


This may be the most Tweeted about dinner break in the history of dinner and breaks. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM

RT @katywithawhy: @cvmikesisak I saw breaking and court and freaked out. Breaking: I eat dinner sometimes too! :)

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @JenniferRStorm: Just a hunch but jury may have indicated they are close if they are taking dinner break from 6-7 #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @cvmikesisak: BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by audsnyder4 via twitter5:45 PM


BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:44 PM


#Sandusky more on adopted son claim of sexual abuse and what was not said in closing arguments. New @ 6. WTAE

by astockey via twitter5:44 PM
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Court official: No verdict. No questions. Jury still deliberating. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:41 PM



Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1TTpDk

bbm

:floorlaugh:

Quiche
06-21-2012, 05:57 PM
:rollercoaster::rollercoaster::rollercoaster:

Quiche
06-21-2012, 05:58 PM
We have a statement from two attorneys representing Matt Sandusky, Jerry Sandusky's adopted son.

The statement was released Thursday afternoon. It reads:

"Matt Sandusky, one of Jerry Sandusky's adopted children, asked us to confirm with you the accuracy of this morning's news reports indicating that he was prepared to testify truthfully as a Commonwealth witness.

During the trial, Matt Sandusky contacted us and requested our advice and assistance in arranging a meeting with prosecutors to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of Jerry Sandusky's abuse.

At Matt's request, we immediately arranged a meeting between him and the prosecutors and investigators.

This has been an extremely painful experience for Matt and he has asked us to convey his request that the media respect his privacy. There will be no further comment at this time."
by WGAL 2:53 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wgal.com/Event/WGALs_Jerry_Sandusky_trial_coverage#ixzz1yT3J0miT

pingpattern
06-21-2012, 05:58 PM
just heard legal commentary on the news stating that if sandusky did not take the stand the son was going to be kept in reserve so charges could be filed in the event of an acquittal.

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 05:59 PM
Some say this is why.#sandusky didn't testify..."@SanduskyTrial: Sandusky's son says his father abused him.... fb.me"

by 8CumbCoReport via twitter5:49 PM


#Sandusky jury taking break to have dinner until 7pm.

by astockey via twitter5:48 PM


This may be the most Tweeted about dinner break in the history of dinner and breaks. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @katywithawhy: @cvmikesisak I saw breaking and court and freaked out. Breaking: I eat dinner sometimes too! :)

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @JenniferRStorm: Just a hunch but jury may have indicated they are close if they are taking dinner break from 6-7 #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:46 PM


RT @cvmikesisak: BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by audsnyder4 via twitter5:45 PM


BREAKING: Court official announces jurors will be taking a dinner break from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. #sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:44 PM


#Sandusky more on adopted son claim of sexual abuse and what was not said in closing arguments. New @ 6. WTAE

by astockey via twitter5:44 PM
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Court official: No verdict. No questions. Jury still deliberating. #Sandusky

by cvmikesisak via twitter5:41 PM



Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yT1TTpDk

BBM~~~

LOLz!!!:floorlaugh:

IMO, the jury is close to a verdict and want their free dinner. SyraKelly (and others) may just be correct with her 5 hr prediction.:rocker:

Do we know if they go out for dinner or have it delivered? The dinner 'break' from 6-7 is why I think they are close. If not, then why not say they are done for the night and will resume deliberations in the morning?

Hope this makes sense.

moo

wm

Leilei
06-21-2012, 05:59 PM
Sounds like they're on a roll. Not calling it quits. Want to have a nice meal at the court's expense. I hope and pray that they will do the right thing for the victims of JS's abuse. :moo:

Good on them! Plus it gives me an hour to try to cook, clean, and do laundry while waiting...

Okay, I'm kidding, except about the cooking part :P

I hope that common sense is all over the place. LISTEN to these young men, jurors. And do the right thing. Please!

Leilei
06-21-2012, 06:02 PM
BBM~~~

LOLz!!!:floorlaugh:

IMO, the jury is close to a verdict and want their free dinner. SyraKelly (and others) may just be correct with her 5 hr prediction.:rocker:

Do we know if they go out for dinner or have it delivered? The dinner 'break' from 6-7 is why I think they are close. If not, then why not say they are done for the night and will resume deliberations in the morning?

Hope this makes sense.

moo

wm

Makes perfect sense to me :) I'm on pins and needles, here... I bet JS is just sitting there smiling and softly laughing. Gross.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 06:03 PM
We have a statement from two attorneys representing Matt Sandusky, Jerry Sandusky's adopted son.

The statement was released Thursday afternoon. It reads:

"Matt Sandusky, one of Jerry Sandusky's adopted children, asked us to confirm with you the accuracy of this morning's news reports indicating that he was prepared to testify truthfully as a Commonwealth witness.

During the trial, Matt Sandusky contacted us and requested our advice and assistance in arranging a meeting with prosecutors to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of Jerry Sandusky's abuse.

At Matt's request, we immediately arranged a meeting between him and the prosecutors and investigators.

This has been an extremely painful experience for Matt and he has asked us to convey his request that the media respect his privacy. There will be no further comment at this time."
by WGAL 2:53 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wgal.com/Event/WGALs_Jerry_Sandusky_trial_coverage#ixzz1yT3J0miT

Not quite sure I understand this statement. Why didn't the prosecution let him testify? Was it too late because the defense was up already?

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 06:03 PM
just heard legal commentary on the news stating that if sandusky did not take the stand the son was going to be kept in reserve so charges could be filed in the event of an acquittal.

I am glad you joined in the discussion, pingpattern.

WELCOME!!!

Leilei
06-21-2012, 06:03 PM
just heard legal commentary on the news stating that if sandusky did not take the stand the son was going to be kept in reserve so charges could be filed in the event of an acquittal.

And that answers my question! Thank you!

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:04 PM
His glory days. grrrrrrr

:jail:

Boots-OK
06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
BBM~~~

LOLz!!!:floorlaugh:

IMO, the jury is close to a verdict and want their free dinner. SyraKelly (and others) may just be correct with her 5 hr prediction.:rocker:

Do we know if they go out for dinner or have it delivered? The dinner 'break' from 6-7 is why I think they are close. If not, then why not say they are done for the night and will resume deliberations in the morning?

Hope this makes sense.

moo

wm

Hello, wm...makes perfect sense to me, too.... I do not feel for a second that a quick verdict means a not guilty verdict in this case.

I believe the jurors want the watching world to know that they are going to take back what is theirs and, hopefully, help many young men begin the healing process....

all moo

JSR
06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
Why would MS decided to wait until jury deliberations to announce his molestation? He could have come forward prior to help convict his father..... It's like a gift to his dad (kinda sorta).

Because it's kind of hard to not feel guilty about not saying anything for all those years and finally see the faces and the anguish of the other victims and their families. I imagine after finally seeing the damage his father had done he felt he could and should not continue to keep quiet. But that's just my guess. It must have taken him awhile to gather the courage. Clearly he had told his ex-wife and that's why she wouldn't let her children go visit Jerry.

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
Oh gah... didn't Another jury take a meal break right before delivering their (terrible, horrible, no good, very bad) verdict?

:noooo:

:please:

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:07 PM
Not quite sure I understand this statement. Why didn't the prosecution let him testify? Was it too late because the defense was up already?

That's what I think-- so he could only be added as rebuttal to Jerry's own testimony, and Jerry had to opt out. I think it was valiant of him to prevent the re-victimization of those young men, because you know Jerry was going to try to destroy them on every level to save himself. jmo

You did a good thing, Matt, and I'm so sorry for your pain. :cry:

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 06:08 PM
Not quite sure I understand this statement. Why didn't the prosecution let him testify? Was it too late because the defense was up already?

I think so because he just came forward in the past few days. As pingpattern noted above, Matt was being held in reserve in case Jer is aquitted. (I'll bet there are others too) I just heard hln talking heads saying the same thing.

moo

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 06:08 PM
just heard legal commentary on the news stating that if sandusky did not take the stand the son was going to be kept in reserve so charges could be filed in the event of an acquittal.

Ohhh excellent strategy!

Reader
06-21-2012, 06:09 PM
His glory days. grrrrrrr

:jail:


Are over for good!!

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 06:09 PM
Oh gah... didn't Another jury take a meal break right before delivering their (terrible, horrible, no good, very bad) verdict?

:noooo:

:please:

sssshhhhhhh

:please:

thistle
06-21-2012, 06:10 PM
Actually, he may believe that JS will be convicted on the evidence already presented, & if for some reason he is acquitted, the prosecutors will have a second shot at him, w/ MS's charges. Wouldn't we all love to be able to see Jerry & Dottie squirming right now?

Cortne
06-21-2012, 06:11 PM
Hush yo face!! Lol :D

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Elphaba
06-21-2012, 06:13 PM
I look at it this way: there are 40-something charges... that is a LOT of paperwork, IMO, to fill out. It would not surprise me if it goes into tomorrow. Time and time again, in interviews with juries from other cases, a lot of those that came to a quick verdict, they said filling out the paperwork was the time consumer.

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 06:14 PM
long story about Matt's background and how he came to live with JS.
wow - I hadn't seen this one

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

"When Jerry Sandusky would call Matt, she told police, Matt would keep the conversations private. But every time he hung up the phone he would go to the bathroom and throw up."

This is heart-breaking.

It's little details like this that ring most true to my ears. This, and the victim who kept throwing his underwear away. Who would think to make up a detail like that out of malice or greed?

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 06:15 PM
The weekend or maybe the early part of next week. Some of those charges are weak.

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 06:15 PM
Oh gah... didn't Another jury take a meal break right before delivering their (terrible, horrible, no good, very bad) verdict?

:noooo:

:please:

I thought about that too ynotdivein. But let's think positive. I have a bottle of Patron chilling in the freezer for all of us when the GUILTY verdict is read!

wm :D

Rlaub44
06-21-2012, 06:15 PM
Oh gah... didn't Another jury take a meal break right before delivering their (terrible, horrible, no good, very bad) verdict?

:noooo:

:please:

I was thinking the exact same thing.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 06:16 PM
"When Jerry Sandusky would call Matt, she told police, Matt would keep the conversations private. But every time he hung up the phone he would go to the bathroom and throw up."

This is heart-breaking.

It's little details like this that ring most true to my ears. This, and the victim who kept throwing his underwear away. Who would think to make up a detail like that out of malice or greed?

I agree. :tears:

Concerned Papa
06-21-2012, 06:16 PM
Hello, wm...makes perfect sense to me, too.... I do not feel for a second that a quick verdict means a not guilty verdict in this case.

I believe the jurors want the watching world to know that they are going to take back what is theirs and, hopefully, help many young men begin the healing process....

all moo

Had I been on that jury, I'd of simply raised my hand and told the judge I didn't need to deliberate. I'd vote guilty and let his honor know nothing anything those other 11 could say would ever change it.

Then I'd of asked if I could just go home.

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 06:17 PM
just heard legal commentary on the news stating that if sandusky did not take the stand the son was going to be kept in reserve so charges could be filed in the event of an acquittal.


They have at least one other victim, B. K. similar to Victim 6.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:17 PM
Actually, he may believe that JS will be convicted on the evidence already presented, & if for some reason he is acquitted, the prosecutors will have a second shot at him, w/ MS's charges. Wouldn't we all love to be able to see Jerry & Dottie squirming right now?

I imagine Jerry has a pretty good idea of how many might come forward if he's not imprisoned, and immediately...

My heart sank when I read that MS had attempted suicide-- that's been in the back of my head regarding the two children that were never identified (the one the janitor witness, and the boy McQueary saw-- both in the showers at PSU).
Children who have endured that level of inhuman betrayal often never regain their self worth. I've been so tempted to research teen suicides in that region. :mad:

:jail::jail:

(I added DS's clinker icon too... I'm not ready to rest, nope, not at all.)

Boots-OK
06-21-2012, 06:20 PM
Matt’s biological brother, Ron Heichel, remembers being a teenager in the 1990s and trying to reach Matt at the Sandusky home.

Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, answered the phone.

“And she said, ‘He’s not your brother anymore.’ This was before he was even adopted,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Nice lady...no wonder she's called "Sarge" moo

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:22 PM
The weekend or maybe the early part of next week. Some of those charges are weak.

The intent is vicious, cunning, and predatory... like Cleland stressed, the act isn't the crime the INTENT is. Sandusky was preying on those boys every step of the way: in the car, at the camps, on the wrestling mats, on the playing fields, in his home, in the hotels, in the swimming pools, taking them out of school... Oh, and in the SHOWERS. Gah!! None of it was innocent: in his rosters even ************** and physical details!

None of it is weak, imo, and it wouldn't be to endure/live through either. :moo:

Leilei
06-21-2012, 06:26 PM
Matt’s biological brother, Ron Heichel, remembers being a teenager in the 1990s and trying to reach Matt at the Sandusky home.

Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, answered the phone.

“And she said, ‘He’s not your brother anymore.’ This was before he was even adopted,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Nice lady...no wonder she's called "Sarge" moo

This hurts my heart so much. And makes me even angrier. If he wasn't his brother anymore, then what was he?

Oh man, don't answer that

blah956
06-21-2012, 06:28 PM
if sandusky IS sent to prison, i can see him killing himself within the first 2 years.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:28 PM
Yeah, to me, the whole Sarge thing seemed to indicate she ran a tight ship, housewise, but now I believe it's because she's cold, uncaring, and cruel. jmo

Minette
06-21-2012, 06:29 PM
Now all that remains is for the rest of the Sandusky clan to turn on Matt and revile him. Better that than admit that they, too, were either victims themselves or enabled an evil pedophile for all these years. When I think of Dottie trying to convince Matt's ex-wife that it would be safe to send the grandchildren to visit I get sick at my stomach. That woman was an accomplice, not an innocent bystander.

Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 06:29 PM
Wonder what names Dottie will call Matt in the courtroom?

Boots-OK
06-21-2012, 06:29 PM
This hurts my heart so much. And makes me even angrier. If he wasn't his brother anymore, then what was he?

Oh man, don't answer that

That entire article is very eye-opening. Lots of details about lots of things. Sounds like the Feds are all over this, too.

waltzingmatilda
06-21-2012, 06:29 PM
Matt’s biological brother, Ron Heichel, remembers being a teenager in the 1990s and trying to reach Matt at the Sandusky home.

Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, answered the phone.

“And she said, ‘He’s not your brother anymore.’ This was before he was even adopted,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Nice lady...no wonder she's called "Sarge" moo

Hi Boots-OK,:seeya: Great reading you again!

She certainly doesn't sound like a very nice woman does she? What kind of person would say such a vile thing to a child?

IIRC, she was a school teacher (someone correct me if I am wrong please). Can you imagine this woman being your teacher?

I feel sick to my stomach....

wm

moo

jabberwocky
06-21-2012, 06:31 PM
"When Jerry Sandusky would call Matt, she told police, Matt would keep the conversations private. But every time he hung up the phone he would go to the bathroom and throw up."

This is heart-breaking.

It's little details like this that ring most true to my ears. This, and the victim who kept throwing his underwear away. Who would think to make up a detail like that out of malice or greed?

What's was even more alarming to me in this article was this:

"On May 3, 2003, State College police were called to Matt’s home for a trespassing complaint, according to a police source. Jerry Sandusky had been told he wasn’t welcome there, but had come over anyway, the source said. Jerry Sandusky told an officer he was trying to get back a carpet cleaner, and after he was given the appliance, he left, according to the source.

As soon as Sandusky was arrested in November, Thomas asked the court to bar Matt from taking her children to visit their grandfather. She later issued a statement saying her son was seeing a therapist because after her children told her Sandusky had “inappropriately touched” her young son.

The therapist “could not rule out that Jerry Sandusky was grooming my son for sexual abuse,” she wrote, and said she opposed any visitation allowed by the court."

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Reader
06-21-2012, 06:31 PM
The intent is vicious, cunning, and predatory... like Cleland stressed, the act isn't the crime the INTENT is. Sandusky was preying on those boys every step of the way: in the car, in the pool, on the wrestling mats, on the playing fields, in his home, in the hotels, in the swimming pools, taking them out of school... Oh, and in the SHOWERS. Gah!! None of it was innocent: in his rosters even ************** and physical details!

None of it is weak, imo, and it wouldn't be to endure/live through either. :moo:

Great post, Quiche, thanks!

And might I add in his stupid book...what a stab at his victims who knew what it meant: TOUCHED....GAH!!!

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:36 PM
Alleged Victim 11 was almost adopted by Sandusky, his attorney says. Ohio man will be on NBC's 'Rock Center' tonight. www.pennlive.com
by sganim via twitter 3:31 PM

Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yTCdY0M2


eta: I'm going to take a quick break-- move around, stretch, breathe deep! I'll be back before they finish their dinner though! :)

Boots-OK
06-21-2012, 06:37 PM
But Jason Kutulakis, a midstate attorney who has worked with Children and Youth Services for several years, called it “creepy” and “weird” that Sandusky would make a phone call — as he describes in his book — and essentially say, ‘Hey, I want to take that kid home.’

Another statement from the article....

PHB
06-21-2012, 06:37 PM
if sandusky IS sent to prison, i can see him killing himself within the first 2 years.


If I were Jerry, I'd have offed myself when this whole thing started, just to save my family the grief and shame of a trial, not to mention the money being spent on defense attorneys.

Minette
06-21-2012, 06:43 PM
If I were Jerry, I'd have offed myself when this whole thing started, just to save my family the grief and shame of a trial, not to mention the money being spent on defense attorneys.

I don't think he (or other serial pedophiles) feels guilt and/or shame. If they did, they couldn't live with what they do to children for a single moment. Instead, they keep molesting until they die or are imprisoned. And that's why they should all be imprisoned until they die, IMO.

x_files
06-21-2012, 06:45 PM
Yeah, to me, the whole Sarge thing seemed to indicate she ran a tight ship, housewise, but now I believe it's because she's cold, uncaring, and cruel. jmo

I think she knew what was going on and was just a <modsnip> like her creepy husband. Can't wait to hear a guilty verdict for both of them.

Leilei
06-21-2012, 06:46 PM
If I were Jerry, I'd have offed myself when this whole thing started, just to save my family the grief and shame of a trial, not to mention the money being spent on defense attorneys.

The thing is, he doesn't think he did anything wrong. It's love and father-figuring, in his mind. And what's really frightening? It's in so many other pedophile's minds, too. "I don't feel guilty, so why am I here?"

pingpattern
06-21-2012, 06:47 PM
if sandusky IS sent to prison, i can see him killing himself within the first 2 years.

Hopefully he'll not succeed on the first few attempts if this is the case, though as many others have speculated, I doubt he'll ever think he did anything wrong, so it may not even occur to him. More likely we'll get reports of how he's being "unfairly persecuted".

Matt is truly brave because by doing what he has, he's probably cutting ties with an awful lot of his family and friends (good riddance though it may be.). More power to him and his.

theBritster
06-21-2012, 06:48 PM
Matt’s biological brother, Ron Heichel, remembers being a teenager in the 1990s and trying to reach Matt at the Sandusky home.

Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, answered the phone.

“And she said, ‘He’s not your brother anymore.’ This was before he was even adopted,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

Nice lady...no wonder she's called "Sarge" moo

I wonder if this was Dottie trying to alienate the poor kid from his family, so that he couldn't tell them what was happening there. I swear that woman is as wicked as JS.

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 06:54 PM
The thing is, he doesn't think he did anything wrong. It's love and father-figuring, in his mind. And what's really frightening? It's in so many other pedophile's minds, too. "I don't feel guilty, so why am I here?"


Maybe he'll take a plea bargain. It is slightly worse to be an incestuous child molester that an average run-of-the-mill child molester.

BrownRice
06-21-2012, 06:54 PM
What's going to be very frustrating is when we hear they've reached a verdict and it takes over an hour for us to find out what it is! I wonder why the tight secrecy the judge is demanding?

Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:57 PM
#Sandusky jury back from dinner @ 7 to continue with deliberations
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Quiche
06-21-2012, 06:58 PM
I think she knew what was going on and was just a sicko perv like her creepy husband. Can't wait to hear a guilty verdict for both of them.

I think they're both sadists. jmo

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 06:59 PM
What's going to be very frustrating is when we hear they've reached a verdict and it takes over an hour for us to find out what it is! I wonder why the tight secrecy the judge is demanding?

No verdict.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:00 PM
RT @RockCenterNBC: MT @tvkatesnow Sandusky accuser: if Sandusky were in front of him he'd punch him in the mouth. More @nbcnightlynews & ...
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 3:58 PM

As @phall215 observed, this might be the strangest small town in America at moment. Deliberations in main CH, Russian mob trial next door.
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Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:02 PM
What's going to be very frustrating is when we hear they've reached a verdict and it takes over an hour for us to find out what it is! I wonder why the tight secrecy the judge is demanding?

It's the gag order... it's been in place since, what, jury selection? Idk, but here's the definition. :)

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=802

Reader
06-21-2012, 07:07 PM
I like this one:

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How is it possible that the #Sandusky jury has been out for 3 hours? How hard is it to check "guilty"??!!



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06-21-2012, 07:18 PM
3m Jeffro‏@daseedboy

How long before #Sandusky gets ordained?

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Ada
06-21-2012, 07:19 PM
long story about Matt's background and how he came to live with JS.
wow - I hadn't seen this one

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

From the above link:


Matt’s biological brother, Ron Heichel, remembers being a teenager in the 1990s and trying to reach Matt at the Sandusky home.

Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, answered the phone.

“And she said, ‘He’s not your brother anymore.’ This was before he was even adopted,” he said.

:maddening:

Edit: agh Boots beat me to it. At any rate, what a horrible thing to say.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:19 PM
What's going to be very frustrating is when we hear they've reached a verdict and it takes over an hour for us to find out what it is! I wonder why the tight secrecy the judge is demanding?

You should follow some of the Canadian trials. We get those all the time.

We have to rely on tweets and court room sketches. I sympathize with you. It is very frustrating indeed!

Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:20 PM
Old picture of Jerry "working" with kids-- looks like the late 80's to me (I think I'm seeing fluffy bangs, shoulder pads, and scrunchy ponytails on the women in the background). Just thought it was interesting, and 25 years old or more.

I'm a little fascinated that Matt S. is their youngest child at 33... if they adopted him when he was 11 ( is that right?), that puts all their older children at the beginning of their enterprising foster/adoption years. I do marvel at the gender disparity between boys and girls... usually adopted families achieve a balance. MOO

Meanwhile...in Bellefonte 2012

The @PatriotNews crew working on something big at Cool Beans - turns out it was the Matt #Sandusky scoop. p.twimg.com
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ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 07:26 PM
All my husband wants to know is: What did the Jury eat for dinner?

He's obsessed with this now. Does anyone know? :floorlaugh:

WestCoastLady
06-21-2012, 07:26 PM
I'm a little fascinated that Matt S. is their youngest child at 33... if they adopted him when he was 11 ( is that right?)

From what I've read, he was their foster child and when he turned 18 they adopted him....

Ada
06-21-2012, 07:27 PM
All my husband wants to know is: What did the Jury eat for dinner?

He's obsessed with this now. Does anyone know? :floorlaugh:

He must be hungry and maybe a little neglected? :floorlaugh:

ThoughtFox
06-21-2012, 07:30 PM
He must be hungry and maybe a little neglected? :floorlaugh:

Nope - my daughter and I managed to cook a big dinner even while reading Twitter! We even had peaches and ice cream for dessert, LOL.

My husband is just obsessed with food. :cupcake: He never goes hungry because of Websleuths, although he brings home the food several times a week too.

(Also we have to cook every night because we have 16 and 22-year-old boys who eat us out of house and home.)

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 07:31 PM
I wonder how the jurors are approaching their task. How are they organizing the information? Did they take a vote before discussing, just to get the temperature of the room on each charge? (That in itself would be a time-consuming task.) 48 charges, 8 testifying victims. Are they going down the line charge by charge? Taking the prosecution's presentation of victim testimony in order and addressing the charges appended to each in turn? What about character witnesses, or MM & Mr. Calhoun? It's an immense amount of information to sift through.

If you were elected foreperson on this jury, how would you organize the information and order/manage the discussion?

Reader
06-21-2012, 07:31 PM
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06-21-2012, 07:34 PM
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http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2012-06-21-Penn%20State-Abuse/id-4fbff7a170164e83891c303d7ebe69c2

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Sandusky's son says his father abused him



Jun 21, 5:43 PM (ET)

By MARK SCOLFORO and GENARO C. ARMAS




BELLEFONTE, Pa. (AP) - Lawyers for one of Jerry Sandusky's adopted sons said the man has told authorities the former Penn State assistant football coach abused him.

The lawyers issued a statement Thursday naming Matt Sandusky, one of Jerry Sandusky's six adopted children, and saying that the 33-year-old had been prepared to testify on behalf of prosecutors at his father's sex abuse trial.

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During testimony last week, an accuser known as Victim 4 said Matt Sandusky was living at the Sandusky home at the time he stayed there overnight.

When asked by prosecutors whether Jerry Sandusky ever engaged him in a soap battle in the showers, he recounted the time when he and Matt Sandusky had been playing racket ball. After they were done, he said, they went back to a locker room. Matt got undressed and got into the shower and then Victim 4 and Sandusky followed him in there, he testified.

"Me and Jerry came in. He started pumping his hand full of soap," he said.

At that point, Matt shut off his shower and left and went to another locker room to shower, the witness said.

Asked by prosecutors about Matt's facial expression when the soap battles started, he replied: "Nervous."


to read more of this article go to the
AP story at google.com

Reader
06-21-2012, 07:35 PM
RT @NBCPhiladelphia: Just In: #Sandusky jurors will deliberate until 9 p.m. bit.ly | NBC10 Philadelphia

by NabilKMark via twitter7:32 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yTRkVlVp

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:37 PM
RT @NBCPhiladelphia: Just In: #Sandusky jurors will deliberate until 9 p.m. bit.ly | NBC10 Philadelphia

by NabilKMark via twitter7:32 PM


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Wow! I'm impressed with this jury! Hope they get it right.

back2back19
06-21-2012, 07:39 PM
So not surprised Sandusky abused his son. No matter what happens with this jury, I'm sure the investigations into Sandusky and his relationship with young boys will continue. There's no way it's just 10, now 11 with his son. No way.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:40 PM
All my husband wants to know is: What did the Jury eat for dinner?

He's obsessed with this now. Does anyone know? :floorlaugh:

LOL no clue but we can pick a menu from here and tell him that's what they had for dinner. :floorlaugh:

http://www.thepennstaterhotel.psu.edu/ThePennStaterHotel/dining/the-gardens.cfm

mmmmm...the dinner menu sounds devine. *drool*

JSR
06-21-2012, 07:40 PM
RT @NBCPhiladelphia: Just In: #Sandusky jurors will deliberate until 9 p.m. bit.ly | NBC10 Philadelphia

by NabilKMark via twitter7:32 PM


Read more: http://livewire.wtae.com/Event/Jerry_Sandusky_Trial_2#ixzz1yTRkVlVp

I think that means they might want to be done before the weekend rolls around. So we might have a verdict tomorrow.

Reader
06-21-2012, 07:43 PM
The jury of 5 men, 7 women started deliberating at 1:12 p.m. They're deliberating in Courtroom. It's the only place they're allowed to deliberate.

They will be able to look over evidence again if they request it, and they can ask the judge a question -- however that has to happen in open court.

If they don't decide a verdict tonight, they'll be shuttled to a local hotel for sequestering. They won't be able to bring cell phones, computers, anything that can transmit information. They'll be staying in separate rooms. The phones and TVs will be disconnected.

They're not allowed to talk about the case on the way to or from the hotel.

The jury sets its own schedule.

Juror 16 was dismissed, the judge says she won't be needed. Alternates 2 and 3 (remember, alternate 1 is now juror 6) are not party to the deliberations but they're being sequestered separately as a precaution. If they're needed to fill in on the jury, the deliberations will start again.

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Mama-cita
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
Knock me over with a feather with the news about Matt! Shame shame shame on Dottie as she brought children into her home that she knew were violated and irreparably damaged by her monster husband. Glad Matt has found the courage to not be a victim of Jerry and Dot any longer!!!

Elphaba
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
I figured while the jury was out having dinner, I'd step out and pick up dinner. Thank goodness for local take-out of the low carb variety, I don't have to betray my diet. Excuse me, I meant "eating lifestyle."

Ok jury... your bellies are full, time to get this done and over with.

BennyProfane
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
I imagine Jerry has a pretty good idea of how many might come forward if he's not imprisoned, and immediately...

My heart sank when I read that MS had attempted suicide-- that's been in the back of my head regarding the two children that were never identified (the one the janitor witness, and the boy McQueary saw-- both in the showers at PSU).
Children who have endured that level of inhuman betrayal often never regain their self worth. I've been so tempted to research teen suicides in that region. :mad:

:jail::jail:

(I added DS's clinker icon too... I'm not ready to rest, nope, not at all.)

I'm sure LE has already checked out suicides in the area & cross-referenced them with what the know of Victim 2 (description, approx. age).
If they found a kid who was missing, they probably would have posted some plea to the public for more info, as they did with Michael Devlin -- Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby's abductor. They actually provided a short list of missing kids they were trying to connect to the perp.
But suicide is treated very different by LE. They're much more reluctant to exploit the tragedy the family is going through when there's really nothing to be gained but inflaming the public and dragging the family into places they may not want to go. They may inform the family of a possible connection and leave the decision to them as to going public or not.
Considering the work LE put in tracking down the current victims, I'd fall over backwards if they didn't check this stuff out.

ynotdivein
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Jerry-Sandusky-Alleged-Victim-Travis-Weaver-Talks-159905105.html

EXCLUSIVE: First Sandusky Accuser Talks on TV

Reminder that TW will be on Rock Center at 10 Eastern tonight.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
#Sandusky jury back to deliberations. Network folks filing their reports now p.twimg.com
by astockey via twitter 4:37 PM

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Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 07:46 PM
All my husband wants to know is: What did the Jury eat for dinner?

He's obsessed with this now. Does anyone know? :floorlaugh:

Hamburgers and Hot Dogs with french fries from Beaver Stadium and then ice cream from the Creamery at State College. :floorlaugh:

Nore
06-21-2012, 07:48 PM
Hopefully he'll not succeed on the first few attempts if this is the case, though as many others have speculated, I doubt he'll ever think he did anything wrong, so it may not even occur to him. More likely we'll get reports of how he's being "unfairly persecuted".

Matt is truly brave because by doing what he has, he's probably cutting ties with an awful lot of his family and friends (good riddance though it may be.). More power to him and his.

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There are 5 boys, wouldnt be surprised if a couple more come through. Sometimes one person has to break the ice..I knew this would come out at one point or another. Why so many boys adopted and only one girl? I also think it will help Matt to get this off his chest.:seeya:

PS. Hope he doesnt think this isnt incest, I believe it is..Trying to remember Woody A..

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:49 PM
I wonder how the jurors are approaching their task. How are they organizing the information? Did they take a vote before discussing, just to get the temperature of the room on each charge? (That in itself would be a time-consuming task.) 48 charges, 8 testifying victims. Are they going down the line charge by charge? Taking the prosecution's presentation of victim testimony in order and addressing the charges appended to each in turn? What about character witnesses, or MM & Mr. Calhoun? It's an immense amount of information to sift through.

If you were elected foreperson on this jury, how would you organize the information and order/manage the discussion?

As a jury foreperson, I would take a vote and then if anyone is still undecided, would ask what they required to help them with their decision. Yes, that is a heck of a lot of information to sift through. Hopefully, it will be just a minor detail that needs clarification.

How many forms do they have to fill out? Is it one form per charge?

My concern is some of the jurors have ties to Penn State. Are any of you concerned about that? Wasn't the alternate juror who just recently filled for one of the jurors connected somehow to JS?

kk's mom
06-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Praying for justice. No doubt in my mind there are many more victims of JS than the ones who came forward. My heart breaks for all of them and their families. May the proper and just verdict be rendered so they can finally get some sort of peace of mind and live their lives as "normal" as possible.

The emotional scars, sadly, will last forever.

I am at a loss for words. I'm so upset. Praying for the victims in this case, the victims who did not come forward, and praying for their families.

Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:50 PM
:shush:

HMSHood
06-21-2012, 07:52 PM
RT @sganim: Matt #Sandusky's attorney just told me that Matt, is a victim of his adoptive father. www.pennlive.com
by cvmikesisak via twitter 4:39 PM

Sandusky's son says his father abused him
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120621/D9VHPB602.html

I am not surprised that happened. Frankly, I think all his adopted children could be victims.

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 07:53 PM
I won't engage in any jury bashing. These are long and complex charges. There are a few that I probably would vote not guilty on (Victim 8).

There is that one charge for Victim 6, "Indecent Assault" that I would probably need some convincing on before I would vote guilty. That one is just a misdemeanor. Think about that, I probably know the details of that almost as well as the jurors, I think Sandusky did it, I think Gricar was wrong for not pursuing this in 1998, and I would still need some convincing on that single charge.

Most of you have been following the Sandusky case since it started; I've been following elements of this case since before it started. I'd still need some convincing.

Oh, and for the record, I had jerk chicken, beans and rice, mac and cheese, and sweet potatoes for supper.

JSR
06-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Sandusky's son says his father abused him
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120621/D9VHPB602.html

I am not surprised that happened. Frankly, I think all his adopted children could be victims.

I think all were but the girl. But I truly think the 5 boys were sexually abused.

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:54 PM
:shush:

Veal parmesan?

oceanblueeyes
06-21-2012, 07:56 PM
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There are 5 boys, wouldnt be surprised if a couple more come through. Sometimes one person has to break the ice..I knew this would come out at one point or another. Why so many boys adopted and only one girl? I also think it will help Matt to get this off his chest.:seeya:

PS. Hope he doesnt think this isnt incest, I believe it is..Trying to remember Woody A..

I think Matt needs to not only expose Jer but Dottie too!

Imo, she was an enabler and allowed this to go on.

I have read about so many children who were raped inside their own homes and their mothers turned a blind eye to it all or if the child told the mother then she accused them of lying. So sad and tragic.

IMO

~n/t~
06-21-2012, 07:56 PM
I won't engage in any jury bashing. These are long and complex charges. There are a few that I probably would vote not guilty on (Victim 8).

There is that one charge for Victim 6, "Indecent Assault" that I would probably need some convincing on before I would vote guilty. That one is just a misdemeanor. Think about that, I probably know the details of that almost as well as the jurors, I think Sandusky did it, I think Gricar was wrong for not pursuing this in 1998, and I would still need some convincing on that single charge.

Most of you have been following the Sandusky case since it started; I've been following elements of this case since before it started. I'd still need some convincing.

Oh, and for the record, I had jerk chicken, beans and rice, mac and cheese, and sweet potatoes for supper.


I don't see any jury bashing. :waitasec:

Quiche
06-21-2012, 07:56 PM
As a jury foreperson, I would take a vote and then if anyone is still undecided, would ask what they required to help them with their decision. Yes, that is a heck of a lot of information to sift through. Hopefully, it will be just a minor detail that needs clarification.

How many forms do they have to fill out? Is it one form per charge?

My concern is some of the jurors have ties to Penn State. Are any of you concerned about that? Wasn't the alternate juror who just recently filled for one of the jurors connected somehow to JS?

Right, but Jerry just spoke at her graduation ceremony.

However, though I was at first concerned about the ties so many jurors had with Penn State, I now believe that fact works against Jerry: he harmed the reputation of the school, of JoePa, was responsible for massive upheaval in the alumni community and threatened the good standing of the university for future enrollments/recruitment. Ultimately, the best thing for the town, the college, the football seasons of the future, is for Jerry Sandusky to be removed from the public memory as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Yeah, I think it really works against him to have Penn State lovers on the panel. mo

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 07:56 PM
My concern is some of the jurors have ties to Penn State. Are any of you concerned about that? Wasn't the alternate juror who just recently filled for one of the jurors connected somehow to JS?

Class of 2007. Sandusky spoke at her commencement.

HMSHood
06-21-2012, 07:58 PM
I think all were but the girl. But I truly think the 5 boys were sexually abused.

Same here. I know there is no girls who are victims, but I have wonder about her.

J. J. in Phila
06-21-2012, 07:58 PM
I don't see any jury bashing. :waitasec:

I was being a bit figurative. We are wondering, why, after 6 hours, they have not moved through 48 fairly complex charges.

HMSHood
06-21-2012, 07:59 PM
Right, but Jerry just spoke at her graduation ceremony.

However, though I was at first concerned about the ties so many jurors had with Penn State, I now believe that fact works against Jerry: he harmed the reputation of the school, of JoePa, was responsible for massive upheaval in the alumni community and threatened the good standing of the university for future enrollments/recruitment. Ultimately, the best thing for the town, the college, the football seasons of the future, is for Jerry Sandusky to be removed from the public memory as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Yeah, I think it really works against him to have Penn State lovers on the panel. mo

The people connected to Penn State would be angry at Jerry Sandusky for ruining its reputation and firing of Joe Paterno. Sandusky only cares for himself. He did not care when Paterno was fired.

Tipstaff
06-21-2012, 08:00 PM
The fact that Jerry Sandusky spoke at any school as a graduation speaker speaks volumes regarding the conspiracy of silence the went on at Penn State to protect Sandusky.